Jim Mattis 2020? Trump Says His Secretary of Defense is a Democrat and May Leave Soon

He’s gay?

R1 You beat me to it. Is he?

From his Wikipedia page. All the signs point to 'yes'

[quote] Mattis has never been married[54] and has no children.[2] He proposed to a woman named Alice Gillis, but she called off the wedding days before it was to occur, not wanting to burden his career.[19] He is nicknamed "The Warrior Monk" because of his bachelorhood and lifelong devotion to the study of war.[128]

Not gay.

I like Mattis.

He has slobber mouth.

Perhaps not out, but nearly all normal, straight guys want the home life and intimacy/sex a marriage provides. Not to mention the camaraderie with other married guys and community approval as well...

For him to reach the level he did in the military without a wedding ring is astounding. You can’t get anywhere without that gold band.

He's never been one of MY gentleman callers.

[QUOTE]Not gay.

Yes gay.

He's not a Democrat. Did trump really say that about him?

This is an excerpt on Mattis from Bob Woodward’s new book “Fear: Inside the Trump White House”:

[QUOTE]As a colonel, Mattis had taken the Marines into Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Navy captain, and SEAL for 17 years, Bob Harward had led the SEALs.

[QUOTE]“Hey, want to go together?” Mattis had asked Harward in 2001. In the dozen years that followed, Harward had major assignments under Mattis.

[QUOTE]In the summer of 2013, now a vice admiral, Harward was sent to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida to become deputy central commander to Mattis. He checked into the BOQ, Bachelor Officer Quarters, worked a day, and went back to his room. All his belongings had been moved out. He was told everything had been moved to General Mattis’s house.

[QUOTE]Harward went over to the house. He walked into the kitchen and found General Mattis there, folding Harward’s underwear. “Sir,” Harward said, “what the fuck are you doing?” “I did my laundry,” Mattis said. “I figured I’d do yours too.”

[QUOTE]Harward found Mattis the most gracious, humble officer he had ever served under. Rather than introduce Harward as “my deputy,” Mattis said, “I want you to meet my co-commander.” When Harward retired and moved to the Middle East as the chief executive of Lockheed Martin in the United Arab Emirates, he kept in touch with Mattis.

For Trump, if you don't bow and scrape in front of him and treat him like a king, you must be a Democrat.

That's why all Republicans are Trump supporters now.

Or, maybe, most Republicans share the same sociopathic tendencies with Trump, even if not his arrogant vulgarity and stupidity, so they see some aspects of themselves in him?

By calling him a democrat Trump was hinting Mattis is gay.

Maybe Mattis wrote the NYTs editorial ?

Well known power bottom. Loves to wear the camo caftan.

That’s an odd story at r12. Sounds positively Lincolnesque...

Mattis is a close friend of Admiral McRaven, the guy who got Bin Laden and who has ripped Trump to shreds. I think Mattis may be the author of the NY Times article.

With just un soupçon of Neil Simon, r18.

him and Lindsay graham are secret lovers for many yrs....

Mattis can do a lot better than Lindsey Graham.

He's too old to be my gentleman caller

Mattis so far sounds like an excellent choice. Would like to know more about him but so far I love his honorable character and true strength.

Mattis wouldn't have made general if he were a friend of Dorothy. The military would have drummed him out a long time ago.

i'm watching him on 60min right now. I think he's even fatter now! Eat more ! Eat more!

Is it possible to have a presidential candidate who is younger than, oh say, 55?

[quote]I love his honorable character and true strength

People of honorable character don't work for Trump.

[quote]Mattis wouldn't have made general if he were a friend of Dorothy. The military would have drummed him out a long time ago.

You might remember that old phrase Don't Ask, Don't Tell. If you're talented, I think the military will just look the other way if they think you're gay.

He could harbor sentiments, but never have acted on them. Who would know? (except the navy seal in the story ar r12)

I’m shocked that passage from the book didn’t ring any alarms. Was Bob Woodward expecting that morsel to make headlines?

Damn. I never thought about Mad Dog one way or another except he was supposed to be relatively sane in that crowd. I hadn’t heard he was an unmarried possibile homosexual before.

zero likelihood he’s gay. Marines are the smallest armed forces branch and a hint of it would have gotten around years ago. They also have lower BS and politics than the other services.

When the Marines turn against you, the entire military isn’t far behind.

Mattis always struck me as the least horrible cabinet member so I can buy him as a Democrat, although that might just be Trump using one of his favorite insults.

"zero likelihood he’s gay. Marines are the smallest armed forces branch and a hint of it would have gotten around years ago. They also have lower BS and politics than the other services."

You've clearly never met a closeted military man before.....

Xactly T34

The Marines are filthy with closeted gays. It’s the service worried fathers shipped their suspect sons “To Make a Man Out of Them.”

Trump apparently said in the 60 Minutes interview that he knows more about NATO than Mattis does.

R34, Very briefly dated a young marine. He described the hazing practices for newbies, definitely homoerotic with S&M overtones. Universally practiced.

Remember US Army get regular R&R after boot camp where they can visit their girlfriends or paid companions. US Marines pride themselves on being super macho and hard ass, despite being stuck together on the same ship for a very lengthy period of time.

Anyone with a lick of sense, decency and morality is a Democrat so he might be.

Fourth graders probably know more about NATO than Trump does

That's pretty safe to assume, r39.

"It’s the service worried fathers shipped their suspect sons “To Make a Man Out of Them.”

Alas, my Iwo Jima vet USMC dad didn't even try. He knew a lost cause when he saw one.

r34 um duh. Glad to make your acquaintance, dumbass

r42, why so nasty? Get a life.

Is it possible to become president without being married. Does there need to be a First Lady?

I would love a military guy to become president, he would sent the Assad's, the Xis and the Putins packing. EXACTLY what is needed in these dangerous times.

r37 the USMC have an inferiority complex because they are considered an anachronism by other AF branches, even the Navy (of which they are a part). As an amphibious assault unit, they were incredibly brave and would take a shit ton of casualties, but were considered a "brute force" option. They don't really have a separate capability like air power, and they are not solely elite Special Forces like Navy SEALs. Those units they do have tend to get into trouble during deployments.

Point being, they stress a lot of "mano a mano" culture to compensate.

where've you been, r44?

“Is it possible to become president without being married. Does there need to be a First Lady?“

Maybe Bob Harward can be the First Lady.

Trump, his kids, Michael Cohen are all Democrats. No, OP.

Which means if he is a reasonable and intelligent man, he must be a Democrat?

I knew a man who studied war and had one short term marriage that ended nicely...I thought he was gay.

Trump only picked him because he had the name Mad Dog. Trump the little scary cat, bully, liked that name.

R24, I've just been reading about him, and he sounds decent, ascetic, and probably low-sexed.

[quote]... lifelong devotion to the study of war. ...

Ascetic, indeed, R52. What a hobby!

He's almost 70 years old and still carries himself like a Marine...beautiful trim body, great chest. Oh yeah, and he'd make a fine POTUS even without a FLOTUS.

The anecdote @ R12 is very sweet...and I am wondering if Jim was in love with him. <3 <3

It's interesting that Harward was Trump's choice for National Security Adviser when Flynn stepped down. Harward declined the position, likening the appointment to a "shit sandwich."

[quote]Harward was fundamentally uncomfortable taking charge of a National Security Council staffed with Trump’s political advisers, and was turned off by the “unwillingness of White House political team to be deferential to the White House national security team” and the “unwillingness of [the] White House political team to be malleable,” per a source. (According to CNN’s Jake Tapper, Harward allegedly called the prospect of overseeing a dysfunctional, politically driven council a “shit sandwich.”)

My impression of General Mattis is that he’s a devout Christian. He doesn’t drink, doesn’t carouse and is always a gentleman.

I wouldn’t cross him. If he ran for President, I’d vote for him. Russia would shit it’s collective pants.

R12 They were quite the pair at CentComm in Tampa when Gen Jim was in charge. In fact, it was the General's influence that jumped Harward from a one star Admiral to a three star! Skipped two stars completely. Plus, Gen Jim posts a picture of him in his new book --Call Sign Chaos ---with the caption 'my alter ego'. What a beautiful top/bottom match!

R58 General Mattis loves his beer! He's not a lush but he is a beer drinker...the darker, the better!

Is Robert Harward a bachelor too ?? Is Mattis still folding his underwear and doing his laundry ??

There might be a love story for the ages happening in plain view....

After I watched Generation Kill years after it came out, I spent a few nights watching interviews with the real Marines the movie was based on. Some of these guys get very addicted to the experience of war, and find going back to normal married life very difficult--even though they're straight. I would imagine a fair number of lifers who stay feel like civilian life is an encumbrance.

R61 Yep, Adm Bob is still a bachelor!

R62 I loved Generation Kill. Especially it's true depiction of the homo-erotic USMC! Those guys are the manliest of the manly and are the least homophobic of any branch of service!

R61 Bob Harward is still a bachelor. It was probably Gen Mattis' experiences dealing with La Donald that turned off Harward to accepting a position in that "shit-sandwich." I'm assuming the 'shit sandwich' he describes would have been himself, The Donald, and the General. Who knows? Maybe the game plan at one point was to set up housekeeping in DC before it all went to hell....

R62 Have you seen this DL post? (Sorry I'm so new to DL I don't know how to link posts)

Rudy Reyes! Anyone watching Generation Kill?

Mattis was in office for only about a month before Flynn had to resign, but I'm sure it was enough time to understand the dysfunctional dynamic and warn Harwood away. I wonder what compelled Mattis to take the position in the first place? Did he think it couldn't possibly be [italic]that[/italic] bad? Sense of duty and obligation? The challenge?

R67 General Mattis says he took the job because of his 'sense of duty' -- but why would he accept the job KNOWING that Trump didn't agree with anything Mattis said in the interview? Mattis acknowledges this fact in many interviews but he accepted the job anyway. My guess is he just didn't realize how childish Trump is: that all LaDonald wanted was to gather up all the generals he could and put them in his toy chest. He used Mattis' reputation to burnish his own rep and all he accomplished was tarnishing Mattis. I think ALL the Generals - Mattis, Kelly, Dunford, etc - were so used to bending the will of others that they thought they could bend Trump. And instead they got played.

[quote]I’m shocked that passage from the book didn’t ring any alarms. Was Bob Woodward expecting that morsel to make headlines?

R30 I'm surprised the passage made it into the book. The media has always treated him as untouchable because of his hero status. But recently more gossip is coming out about him partying without pants years ago! There's a DL thread about George Washington and the gays that gets into it a bit.

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I see nothing unharward in R12’s posting, R18.

[quote] He used Mattis' reputation to burnish his own rep and all he accomplished was tarnishing Mattis.

Everything trump touches turns to shit.

He should take Trump down with a razor, across his throat.

R72 You are correct. However, he climbed on board the Big Orange Express by his own choice. Two other people turned down the Defense Secty job. Difficult to believe anyone with an ounce of public awareness prior to the election didn't see Trump's taste for chewing up and spitting out a person's decency. Anyone joining his administration opened themselves up to reputational suicide.

Why should anyone bow and scrape to the lowlife, Trump? People no longer have backbones.

R75 Agreed. What they have instead of spines is the need to stay in the spotlight or remain relevant. And then that need bites them in the ass in the persona of Trump. Look at Bolton, too. Couldn't wait to get back in the mix and then couldn't wait to get out.

John Kelly broke his silence yesterday to defend Alexander Vinkman against Trump. Is this too little too late? If he couldn't be impeached, what difference does it make for Kelly, Bolton, Tillerson, or Mattis to step forward now? It's over. The only way we can be saved now is by voting this asswipe out of office.

Mattis as a dark horse candidate is only a possibility as a spoiler. That's the same strategy the DNC used bringing in Wesley Clark to knock the air out of poor Howard Dean's campaign.

r44 Melania has been practically useless as First Lady so at this point I don't think it would matter

All Trump's shenanigans are because Obama left the next President a country in good standing. Trump can survive with half an administration because he's still riding on Obama's fumes. He has had next to no challenges in his Presidency, except the shit he's brought upon himself.

Mattis has been out of DC for over a year. Any further word on the gay / not gay front? Has he set up (or resumed) housekeeping with anyone? He's been very low key with the exception of that recent Trump takedown in The Atlantic.

R44 President James Buchanan was not married, and I believe his niece took on the role of the first lady when needed.

R82 Interesting. A few years ago, Ms Lindsay said his sister would act as FLOTUS if elected but I think he's given up on ever being elected to anything now!

R82 His niece was, in fact, the first person to be referred to in the press as the First Lady, as she ran a very tight ship and was evidently a very formidable person.

[quote]Well known power bottom.

R17 I'm intrigued because I want to believe this! Any tea?

Anyone know if he's quarantining with anyone? Mattis has been doing some virtual speeches and PSAs from his home in Washington state. I wonder if he's alone or has a partner with him...

I just saw a Navy Seal Foundation fundraiser where Mattis was the keynote speaker. They played plenty of videos of ex-Seals gushing about the Foundation. Then the goof who introduced Mattis mentioned his close relationship with Harward but kept mispronouncing his name (Hayward, Harwood!) but there was no video or comment by Harward himself. Mattis took the stage, talked for 20 minutes, barely looking up from his notes which is very unusual, and that was it. What the hell was that all about?

R85 Yes, possum for sure. Beautiful chest.

Relationship-wise, Mattis’s bio sounds very Lindsey Graham-ish, though obviously Mattis is not so flaming.

The Senatrix is deeply in love with the Orange Con Man. The General isn't.

Too bad Mattis didn't come through on your prediction, OP. He wouldn't have won the nomination but it would have made from some interesting debates.

I’d love to see Mattis brought back as Secretary of Defense.

Isnt McRaven going to be R92?

I heard it was going to be either Mattis's protege, Michelle Flournoy, or Jeh Johnson. Mattis wanted Ms. Flournoy on his team but she told him she had a bad gut feeling about Trump!

Looked up Bob Harward; no mention of any spouse or children.

Was he the top in the relationship?

R95 Yep, rumor has it that Mattis was a "bossy bottom." They lived together in Tampa when Mattis was head of US Central Command and Harward his deputy though he referred to him as his "co-commander." Harward was offered the position of National Security Advisor under Trump but he declined, quoted as saying he didn't want to be 'a part of that shit sandwich.'

I'd like to inspect Bob's weaponry

Admiral Bob was a Navy Seal...thus that beautiful body!

Here he is smelling cookies...

Damn, Bob is a hot daddy

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R100 He looks like George Jones!

R95 Look at those beautiful chest pillows and abs. Absolutely gorgeous. Who wouldn't bottom to this god!

[QUOTE] He's almost 70 years old and still carries himself like a Marine...beautiful trim body, great chest. Oh yeah, and he'd make a fine POTUS even without a FLOTUS.

It’s so hard to keep the pounds off at that age. I don’t know how him and Joe Biden do it.

I think it’s all about your sweet tooth. If you’re not big on dessert and your ideal meal is steak and a baked potato, you won’t have trouble staying lean.

R103 Mattis still runs 3 days a week and uses his elliptical the other 4 days. He has an amazing regimen but it makes sense because he has always been physically fit, prides himself on it. R104, Mattis is a definite steak, potato, and broccoli man although he claims to enjoy dark beer and a burger once a week.

It seems quite a few Dlers know him. Anyone had him?

Mattis was pictured being vaccinated last week in a drive-thru by the National Guard. Gotta love when famous people don't ask for special treatment.

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[quote] It’s so hard to keep the pounds off at that age.

He'd lose 10 lbs if he got rid of those bags under his eyes.

LOL, R109. I saw him recently -- the eyebags aren't as huge now. They must've enlarged during the Trump years!

Mad Dog Mattis finally got married.

Don't tell me. He married his mother's cousin just to make sure she gets benefits, so she's not a forlorn spinster waiting for Medicaid.

What are you talking about, R112?

Incest, Rose.

At his age after his career is over, why bother?

Oh, you were making a funny. I get it now.

Was a board member of Theranos

Is he Opus Dei?

He hires good writers

[quote] I'm not just an overrated general, I am the greatest, the world's most overrated ... I'm honored to be considered that by Donald Trump, because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress. So I guess I'm the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly, that sounds pretty good to me. And you do have to admit that between me and Meryl, at least we've had some victories.

[quote] He continued, "I've earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor."

If you’re thinking of replacing Biden with Mattis in 2024…. I don’t think the younger generation wants another 70+ baby boomer.

This thread was before Biden even announced his candidacy, R118. It just happens to be the only major Mattis thread we had on here and I didn’t want to start another.

R116 Yes, he was on the Theranos board. He must fall for these supposedly strong female entrepreneur types. They make good beards, I guess. Busy with their own lives. His favorite fuckbuddy, Bob Harward, was his best man at the wedding last weekend!

Don't know about Opus Dei but know that he claims to be a devout Catholic.

[quote]Is Robert Harward a bachelor too ?? Is Mattis still folding his underwear and doing his laundry ?? There might be a love story for the ages happening in plain view....

R61 Harward was married decades ago, another beard situation. The fact that he was Mattis' best man at the wedding (instead of Mattis's brother) speaks to their unique relationship.

[quote]At his age after his career is over, why bother?

R114 He needed a beard so his gay legacy wouldn't move forward. It's all for the history books to ensure he comes out as completely hetero. It's amazing that for all his self-promotion as a lover of the ladies, not one has ever stepped forward to talk about it. Why not? He was a bachelor, it would be quite a status point to have been a 4-star General's bedmate. Nah, he has no old 'girlfriends' in his closet. Only an ex-fiance from 50 years ago. She broke off the engagement; probably knew he smelled cookies.

Well he’s a big, strong married man now, R122. Heterosexuality confirmed. Mad Dog loves the pussy.

My question is: If he was such a pussy hound, why haven't we heard from at least ONE of his ladies? He never claimed celibacy, insisted that he loved the ladies. If he had a long-term relationship, she'd be writing a book. If it was a series of flings, at least one of the women would come forward. I agree, R123, he's now a big strong married man and confirmed hetero.

R123 Thanks for the laugh!

Don't ask don't tell

I make man out of him.

OMG, the DLer who was in love with him must be crushed.

R128 you mean DLers, pluriel Muriel

[quote] Heterosexuality confirmed. Mad Dog loves the pussy.

At his age, marriage hardly confirm a love of pousshay.

Cheaper than hiring a private nurse, I guess.

R131 Great observation! Validates his false legacy as a pussy lover AND marrying a wealthy woman looking for status is probably less expensive than a private nurse.

Yeah but Mad Dog could’ve had a private nurse who looks like this:

He is not a Democrat.

He is not someone we should remotely consider supporting.

He is a rethug and sufficiently passed cheeto's purity tests to get the Defense job in the first place.

Disagreeing with cheeto does NOT make you a Dem - it merely makes you nominally less INSANE than other rethugs.

We are beyond that, R134. It’s cool. Relax.

R134 thinks it's still 2016.

Why was this dumb thread bumped?

R137 Because Mattis - at the age of 71 - ust married A WOMAN, a very wealthy woman, and his best was his fuckbuddy for years! DL catnip!

It’s the only Mattis thread I found that wasn’t locked due to age and inactivity, R137.

Thank you, R139. I started a MAttis thread a couple years ago and I can't find it now. There are many Mattis / gay USMC fans on DL. I'll try to do another search and see if I can find my original. I was heartbroken over him at the time and looking for comfort. The responses were helpful, funny, and snarky. It was a good DL thread!

I've tried doing a search about the Mattis thread I started in 2019 or 2020 and can't find it. Don't know if it's me or the search function but it was a good thread with some very interesting pictures.

R137 / R139 I would love to continue the thread I started a couple years ago but - as I wrote in R141 - I can't find the thread. I started out with a broken heart but DL got me out of the doldrums.

Wiki:

He berated Trump for deliberately trying to cause division among the American people and advocating military action to "dominate" the country's protests.

"Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society, and diminishes the trust and constitutional relationship between the armed services and the civilian population they support", he wrote.

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He still managed to be part of the shit-show for two years. He was smart enough to get out but then hid behind the "I-don't-talk-about-a-President-still-in-office". Cowardice trying to disguise itself as INTEGRITY.

He was afraid of how much worse things would get without him, R144.

Then he should have stayed. That business about 'the only adults in the room' was bullshit. It was apparent before the first year was over, that Trump was orchestrating that circus.

A man can only take so much, R146.

R147 He should have told us much earlier instead of flying around the word trying to reassure allies. Yes, it was great he did that but he didn't tell US, the American people!! We needed him then.

Is he thinking about 2024? That makes sense about his marriage a few weeks ago at age 71.

Does OP think it's 2019? WTF?

[quote]Does OP think it's 2019? WTF?

OP started the thread in 2018, R150. 10/14/2018 per the date on the post, to be exact.

But to answer your question; no. OP did not think it was 2019 (because it literally was 2018)

I didn't want to start a new thread. His recent marriage (after life-long bachelorhood) poses the question: Why? There must be a reason...

There is a new DL thread about Mattis's convenient marriage at 71.

Should he be considered for 2024 now that he's married?

Here he is at the November 2022 USMC birthday bash. He sounds great but looks terrible. Maybe marriage isn't agreeing with him...

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