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Aaron Hernandez Molested As Young Boy, Had Homosexual Relationship With Quarterback in High School

[QUOTE]An investigative series by the Boston Globe reveals that former NFL tight end Aaron Hernandez, who killed himself in prison last year, was molested as a young boy and had a sexual relationship with a junior high and high school teammate.

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by Anonymousreply 600November 9, 2018 2:59 PM

this is all about us wanting to have just one night with a guy like him, right? in his prime?

by Anonymousreply 1October 14, 2018 4:42 AM

!Sorpresa!

by Anonymousreply 2October 14, 2018 4:44 AM
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by Anonymousreply 3October 14, 2018 4:44 AM

[quote] The teammate, Dennis SanSoucie, told the Globe he had a sexual relationship with Hernandez in junior high and high school and that the two tried to hide it.

Dennis SanSoucie???

MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 4October 14, 2018 4:55 AM

Aaron's dad was hot!

Boy, it makes me sad when I see these people like Aaron, who did such horrible things as adults. And then I see pictures of them as kids and they look so innocent and good.

If only they didn't have the parents that they did, or the life that they did. Maybe it could have been different for them.

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by Anonymousreply 5October 14, 2018 4:57 AM

Dad looks pretty psychotic, if you aks me.

by Anonymousreply 6October 14, 2018 4:59 AM

R5 more than likely he was a terrible selfish brat

by Anonymousreply 7October 14, 2018 5:01 AM

Yo is this Dennis? There's nothing on the Pinterest, but the fact that a guy like that has a Pinterest at all...

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by Anonymousreply 8October 14, 2018 5:03 AM

Are we sure that the Daily Fail got the right name?

Dennis was Aaron's father. Maybe they mixed it up.

Anyhow, I found a Steven Sansousie who looks more like someone who would hook up with Aaron...

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by Anonymousreply 9October 14, 2018 5:06 AM

I think that this is the correct Dennis Sansoucie, because along with his photo it mentioned that he went to Bristol Central High School, same as Aaron.

And THIS Dennis is pretty smoking hot.

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by Anonymousreply 10October 14, 2018 5:08 AM

Which one was the bottom?

by Anonymousreply 11October 14, 2018 5:09 AM

At the link, the timeline is correct, also. Around 2006, when Aaron was in high school. Both guys are on the same roster page.

Aaron is on the top left, Dennis is on the bottom left.

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by Anonymousreply 12October 14, 2018 5:10 AM

R10, he's 'smoking hot' the same way something fatty on the barbecue would be.

by Anonymousreply 13October 14, 2018 5:11 AM

Well at least he had a talent at sports, otherwise he would have ended up in gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 14October 14, 2018 5:11 AM

Tragic all around.

by Anonymousreply 15October 14, 2018 5:12 AM

The guy at R10 is definitely him, but in 2006.

However, is the guy at R8 also him? Say, 12 years later?

by Anonymousreply 16October 14, 2018 5:13 AM

That guy looks more like him 20 years later.

by Anonymousreply 17October 14, 2018 5:14 AM

Dennis' FB.

Notice the haircut

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by Anonymousreply 18October 14, 2018 5:20 AM

O.m.g. at R18.

His life is going to be turned totally upside down.

I can't believe that the Boston Globe just outed him like that.

But damn, I can see why Aaron hit it.

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by Anonymousreply 19October 14, 2018 5:24 AM

Yeah that’s more like it. And he’s a Marine, just like the Globe said.

by Anonymousreply 20October 14, 2018 5:24 AM

A lot of the pictures on his Facebook page are from when he was younger.

This is pretty much what he looks like now. Still not bad, though.

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by Anonymousreply 21October 14, 2018 5:26 AM

Dennis is a hottie.

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by Anonymousreply 22October 14, 2018 5:27 AM

Maybe a top?

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by Anonymousreply 23October 14, 2018 5:27 AM

He should use this as his Grindr photo.

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by Anonymousreply 24October 14, 2018 5:29 AM

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum

by Anonymousreply 25October 14, 2018 5:30 AM

He has a nice smile

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by Anonymousreply 26October 14, 2018 5:31 AM

[QUOTE]Maybe a top?

He’s a Marine.

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by Anonymousreply 27October 14, 2018 5:31 AM

I think Aaron was a top.

by Anonymousreply 28October 14, 2018 5:32 AM

This is some juicy Saturday night gossip.

by Anonymousreply 29October 14, 2018 5:33 AM

His pictures are all out of order on FB, but this one is dated 2016.

Get a good look at the page, because I'm pretty sure he's going to delete it or make it private very soon.

Especially since he was OUTED by the Boston Globe. I feel bad for the guy. He didn't ask for this.

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by Anonymousreply 30October 14, 2018 5:33 AM

Is he out in real life and what does he do now? Is he still in the military?

by Anonymousreply 31October 14, 2018 5:38 AM

Outed? What’s the big deal? All his Marine buddies will probably be patting him on the back for letting the legendary Aaron Hernandez go beast mode on his greedy hole.

by Anonymousreply 32October 14, 2018 5:38 AM

It’s possible he didn’t understand what he was doing by talking on the record, but I took away from the Spotlight piece that Dennis was out already.

by Anonymousreply 33October 14, 2018 5:39 AM

According to his FB, he moved back to CT in July this year.

by Anonymousreply 34October 14, 2018 5:42 AM

It doesn't seem like he was out, R33.

Since he recently got out of the Marines, and he's still relatively young, I think that he was probably telling his family that he was just "waiting to settle down."

He also seemed especially close to his dad, and there is nothing in his FB to indicate that he was out.

The guy was outed.

I'm probably the most vocal critic of closet cases, but the way this happened was just wrong. The Boston Globe did it in a very salacious and mean-spirited way.

by Anonymousreply 35October 14, 2018 5:44 AM

Sad situation. Aaron was doomed. If it wasn't football and drugs it would have been something else. With that said, I’m not sure why ESPN doesn’t devote more attention to this story...they were all over his trial. What’s Tom's opinion and all Aaron’s famous coaches’? How about Tebow? Lots to talk about and much to learn. What did they know? Did they try to be an ally? Get him some treatment?

by Anonymousreply 36October 14, 2018 5:48 AM

Please read the article before alleging he was outed by the paper. He clearly shares that Aaron would be happy that he came out.

by Anonymousreply 37October 14, 2018 5:51 AM

The quarterback buggering the linebacker! Oh the humanity!

by Anonymousreply 38October 14, 2018 5:52 AM

Aaron was a dominant top

by Anonymousreply 39October 14, 2018 5:57 AM

Aaron's brother Jonathan is pretty hot.

What's his story? Is he crazy, too?

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by Anonymousreply 40October 14, 2018 6:07 AM

Meh.

by Anonymousreply 41October 14, 2018 6:11 AM

You're right, R37.

There's no mention of Dennis SanSoucie's sexuality in the op's ESPN link, but if you click on the Boston Globe article, it's clear that Dennis came out in his late 20's.

He was the one who revealed their sexual relationship as teenagers.

Op should have linked the Boston Globe link, rather than the ESPN link.

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by Anonymousreply 42October 14, 2018 6:14 AM

Aaron and Dennis.

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by Anonymousreply 43October 14, 2018 6:17 AM

Agnes Moorhead raped Debbie Reynolds, so I could see this happening.

by Anonymousreply 44October 14, 2018 6:23 AM

Aaron and Dennis next to each other in the football photo.

They both looked like a couple of chubs, back in high school.

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by Anonymousreply 45October 14, 2018 6:26 AM

R14, he actually may have fared better in gay porn.

I’m just awestruck at how people shrug off CTE. He was ending up majorly fucked up, no matter what.

Watch this:

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by Anonymousreply 46October 14, 2018 6:29 AM

[QUOTE]Op should have linked the Boston Globe link, rather than the ESPN link.

The Globe link is behind a paywall for many, that’s why I chose the ESPN link. I linked the Globe story in R3.

by Anonymousreply 47October 14, 2018 6:33 AM

ESPN will never touch the gay angle of this story. Americans don’t want gay football players.

God, I really hate our sports culture, and I hope football is eventually a doomed sport.

What parent in their right mind, would allow their son to play this sport, knowing that his brain will be the equivalent of Swiss cheese by the time they retire from the sport altogether?

by Anonymousreply 48October 14, 2018 6:38 AM

Enough with the ETC shit in this case. Most of the other cases of this didn't run around fucking shooting people. Fuck off. Yes it's a serious thing. But this guy fucking killed people. Potentially so no one would know he liked dudes. He was fucked in the head before ant ETC. he was not even a pro that long to be so damaged that it turned him into a fucking thug killer.

by Anonymousreply 49October 14, 2018 6:39 AM

R49 Correct. His major issue was his sexuality. I'm sure there are other factors. But this guy was wanting to hide what he liked more than his brain just being jacked by his profession. There's a zillion other football players going way back that suffered hits to the head that never killed anybody. Your an idiot or homophobe if you can't see what is blatantly obvious.

by Anonymousreply 50October 14, 2018 6:46 AM

He was a bad seed.

CTE is really bad. I wonder if Tom Brady has it...I won't shed a tear if he does...fucking cheater.

by Anonymousreply 51October 14, 2018 6:46 AM

Tom Brady wouldn’t have CTE. The refs don’t allow defenses to touch him.

by Anonymousreply 52October 14, 2018 6:48 AM

CTE*

by Anonymousreply 53October 14, 2018 6:49 AM

He was a bad person, a murderer. That some of you venerate him is one of the sickest aspects of DL.

by Anonymousreply 54October 14, 2018 6:53 AM

[quote] I’m just awestruck at how people shrug off CTE

I'm equally awestruck on how many people shrugged off the childhood abuse. Some just outright ignored it. The coach in the Boston Globe story said that Aaron came to school with a black eye, and he didn't do a thing.

[quote] “I know one time (Aaron) went to a senior dance as a freshman. I guess he was drinking before he went to the dance, and they threw him out of the dance at the school. Then, the next time we saw him, he looked like I guess his father did discipline him some.’’

When asked how he knew that, Morgan responded, “He had a black eye. I’m assuming that’s where that came from.’’

-Jeff Morgan, ex-coach

In another instance, Aaron was mad at his mother for not giving him medication for his ADHD, and her reply was "“Yeah, I knocked you over the head with a frickin’ hammer. That was your medication."

[quote] Enough with the ETC shit in this case

[quote] He was a bad person, a murderer. That some of you venerate him is one of the sickest aspects of DL

It's called compassion. Some of you are heartless animals.

READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE.

He was a child of abuse, of violence, of drugs, of confused sexuality, and yes - importantly - of head trauma.

[quote] in one game against Maloney High School of Meriden, he gave the crowd a scare when he was knocked down by a blindside hit to the head and lay motionless before a hushed crowd.

[quote] “I saw him get hit, and I saw him go down. And he didn’t get back up,” said Lorrie Belmonte, a registered nurse in Bristol who was in the stands. “And Aaron would always get back up. And then the coaches went out on the field and … he must have been totally out of it because they called … the ambulance that was standing by. And so the EMTs immediately came up on the field and got him and took him.’’

[quote] This was 2006, and scientists were just beginning to establish a link between blows to the head in football and the disease now known as chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE. Soon, researchers would also begin to understand the damage of subconcussive injuries, which may not have immediate symptoms, but still cause profound damage. That research would affect not only professional players, but millions of children who play contact sports.

To quote Zbignew Brzczinsky, it is "stunningly superficial" of you morons, to just dismiss the CTE aspect, and attribute his problems to mere confused sexuality.

There is so much in this guy's history, in terms of PTSD, as well as physical and mental trauma, that contributed to his behavior. Confused sexuality was one thing, but there were countless other factors in his short life, which made him basically a "loaded gun" waiting to go off.

Anyone who can't understand that, should just shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 55October 14, 2018 7:04 AM

[quote] He was a bad person, a murderer. That some of you venerate him is one of the sickest aspects of DL

He was arrested. He was convicted. He was doing his time. He killed himself.

What in the FUCK more do you want?

The guy paid the price.

by Anonymousreply 56October 14, 2018 7:08 AM

r55 and r56 venerate killers.

[quote]What in the FUCK more do you want?

That his murdering ass not be venerated on this gay website, you sick fuck.

by Anonymousreply 57October 14, 2018 7:09 AM

His story is just sad. very tragic. He didn't have much of a chance.

by Anonymousreply 58October 14, 2018 7:12 AM

You really are a simplistic, judgmental, hateful cunt at R57.

What's the saying? Oh yeah, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

Let's hope you've never done a bad thing in your life. Or you're really going to fucking be in for it.

by Anonymousreply 59October 14, 2018 7:13 AM
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by Anonymousreply 60October 14, 2018 9:11 AM

It appears that Dennis is still a big sports nut. He listed Undisputed, a 2 hour daily sports argument show starring Skip Bayless and Shannon "Horsehead/Horsedick" Sharpe on FS1 as one of his fave shows. It is also mine, and I can promise you it is only for people for whom football is a religion.

**Fun fact: Lil Wayne does the opening title theme song and he, Nelly, Ice Cube and Wale' are semi-regulars on the panel. And the most improbable pairing imaginable is that of Weezy and Skip. You haven't lived until you have seen the uber crotchety straight shooting 66 year old Oklahoman Bayless speak as seriously as a heart attack, "Last night Weezy called me and , we got in an argument about Alvin Kamara vs Mark Ingraham acting as pocket receivers …"

You won't appreciate it unless you are a football and a hip hop fan.

by Anonymousreply 61October 14, 2018 9:53 AM

His ex boyfriend was NOT outed by Spotlight. Boston Globe and Spotlight are well respected investigative institutions, you dumb queens. If the ex boyfriend was named as being gay IT’S BECAUSE HE HIMSELF TOLD THEM HE WAS GAY ON THE RECORD.

Fucking Trumpian knee jerk reactions. I swear to fucking god.

by Anonymousreply 62October 14, 2018 1:03 PM

[quote] You won't appreciate it unless you are a football and a hip hop fan.

Uh, you do realize where you are, right?

by Anonymousreply 63October 14, 2018 1:03 PM

R63 There are far more NFL fans here than you may realize. I would conservatively estimate the number has grown by 50% in the past 10 years.

by Anonymousreply 64October 14, 2018 1:19 PM

Yeah, before reading the Boston Globe article, I thought, “Ummm, no. He wasn’t outed. He’s already out, or they wouldn’t have used the guy’s name”.

I feel horrible regarding the life Hernandez had. He grew up with a father who was probably determined to beat the gay out of him as a kid. As a poster wrote upthread, there were so many facets to his life that were just bad.

What a story. Who’s making the film? We all know that’s happening sooner than later.

by Anonymousreply 65October 14, 2018 1:31 PM

R64 = hahahhahahahahhaha.

And where would you “conservatively estimate” you came up with your fantasy numbers? In your world of magical realism? Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 66October 14, 2018 1:36 PM

R57 must be new to DL.

by Anonymousreply 67October 14, 2018 1:46 PM

R66 Nope, not fantasy at all. I am estimating by the number of posts and the amount of participation in our sports threads.

Fell free to drop in on our DL NFL and NBA fan threads and check us out.

by Anonymousreply 68October 14, 2018 1:51 PM

Dennis has SEVERAL out gay men as his friends on Facebook including Mac Furl and gay gay gay Finn Anthony (and more!).

He looks OUT to me.

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by Anonymousreply 69October 14, 2018 2:22 PM

Disagree, R52, I have seen his head bouncing hard off the turf, that will do it.

by Anonymousreply 70October 14, 2018 2:24 PM

[quote]What a story. Who’s making the film? We all know that’s happening sooner than later.

Maybe, "American Crime Story: Aaron Hernandez" will be on FX in a few years.

by Anonymousreply 71October 14, 2018 2:26 PM

The poster making up fantasy numbers is a heterosexual woman.

Why is she here?

by Anonymousreply 72October 14, 2018 2:32 PM

Who would play AHern?

by Anonymousreply 73October 14, 2018 2:41 PM

Actor Brandon Larracuente from “13 Reasons Why” can play Hernandez.

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by Anonymousreply 74October 14, 2018 3:20 PM

Delicious tea, y’all. Keep it pouring.

by Anonymousreply 75October 14, 2018 3:21 PM

He’s got the body. Good lord, if I was directing it the sex scenes would be pornographic.

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by Anonymousreply 76October 14, 2018 3:22 PM

I think they must have been sexy AF in their high school trysts!

by Anonymousreply 77October 14, 2018 3:22 PM

Whatever you say about Hernandez, it's clear that he was deeply damaged on several fronts from childhood on: an abusive father, maybe sexual abuse, years and years of head trauma playing football.

According to the NY Times, "a posthumous examination of his brain showed he had such a severe form of the degenerative brain disease C.T.E. that the damage was akin to that of players well into their 60s. It was, a lawyer for his family said, in announcing the findings, 'the most severe case they had ever seen in someone of Aaron’s age.' "

It doesn't excuse anything he did, but it goes some way towards explaining it. He probably never had a chance at a healthy normal lifespan. All that said, he was obviously dangerous, and the bottom line is that he probably needed to be put away. I'm very glad that I never had to deal with him.

by Anonymousreply 78October 14, 2018 3:31 PM

There’s no way that guy was the quarterback. Too chubby and the number on his uniform is too high.

by Anonymousreply 79October 14, 2018 3:38 PM

[quote] According to the NY Times, "a posthumous examination of his brain showed he had such a severe form of the degenerative brain disease C.T.E. that the damage was akin to that of players well into their 60s. It was, a lawyer for his family said, in announcing the findings, 'the most severe case they had ever seen in someone of Aaron’s age.' "

And who knows how much of his brain damage had to do with the physical child abuse that he suffered at home.

That, plus the concussions sustained playing football from such a young age, is what made his case so severe.

by Anonymousreply 80October 14, 2018 3:38 PM

Previously they used to say his dad was a positive influence on Aaron and an anchoring force. Now we learn the truth.

by Anonymousreply 81October 14, 2018 3:46 PM

Why won’t anyone say who perpetrated the sexual abuse on Aaron? Why would they just let them get away with it?

by Anonymousreply 82October 14, 2018 3:48 PM

Cannot make a court case about it with no witness, R82.

Very sad life.

by Anonymousreply 83October 14, 2018 3:53 PM

He did more living in 27 years than many people do in a lifetime. He had his fun.

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by Anonymousreply 84October 14, 2018 3:59 PM

The former quarterback is hot.

by Anonymousreply 85October 14, 2018 4:03 PM

CON:

[quote]He was a bad person, a murderer

PRO:

He had a huge dick.

The PROs win.

by Anonymousreply 86October 14, 2018 4:08 PM

r86 = Datalounge Logic 101

by Anonymousreply 87October 14, 2018 4:12 PM

How can there not be a movie in the works based on his life? The NCAA, NFL and the Patriots must be working overtime to keep it from happening. And you know they won’t let you use any licensed material like logos and team names in the film. But you can work around that.

by Anonymousreply 88October 14, 2018 4:13 PM

It strikes me how so many are saying "he's a monster,he deserves what he got" etc,when its been proven over and over again in many from all walks of life how a traumatic brain injury has completely altered their personalities. So if hot as fuck Aaron had been injured in a 3 car pile up and acted the way he did you all would be "Oh,poor soul" ? Brain injuries are devastating no matter how he got them,and theyve proven his brain was severely injured.How could you not see that would affect his personality ? Thgere were many factors in what made him the way he was,some he could have chosen differently,but to dismiss a major physical factor is ridiculous. If your brain is wired differently you think differently,ask all those veterans who have suffered head injuries.

by Anonymousreply 89October 14, 2018 4:18 PM

[quote] He had a huge dick

I don't know how Dennis could handle that, as a teen.

It would have turned me off of dicks forever, having to struggle with that monster cock.

by Anonymousreply 90October 14, 2018 4:19 PM

R90 is OBVIOUSLY in the wrong place ! Or female !

by Anonymousreply 91October 14, 2018 4:20 PM

It's all very tragic Although I can't stop fantasizing how hot their sex life would have been in high school

by Anonymousreply 92October 14, 2018 4:21 PM

R89, Kanye had a TBI from a car crash and I do not see him getting sympathy for being crazy.

by Anonymousreply 93October 14, 2018 4:22 PM

R93 I did not know that about Ye. That explains A LOT!

by Anonymousreply 94October 14, 2018 4:25 PM

[quote]Previously they used to say his dad was a positive influence on Aaron and an anchoring force. Now we learn the truth.

I remember that in several articles years ago. They talked about how Aaron and his brother looked up to the dad.

Aaron's brother is coming out with a book soon. I wonder if he spilled a lot in the book.

by Anonymousreply 95October 14, 2018 4:27 PM

That Brandon Larracuente is hot. I’d love to see him tatted up and pounding young college twink ass in the Aaron Hernandez movie.

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by Anonymousreply 96October 14, 2018 4:28 PM

You would ruin that temple with trashtoos, r96? You must suffer from CTE.

by Anonymousreply 97October 14, 2018 4:38 PM

His father probably molested him. Otherwise, he would have disclosed it either directly or indirectly ( a neighbor, a stranger, a friend of the family...). Happens a LOT, people don't realize how often.

by Anonymousreply 98October 14, 2018 4:41 PM

How the fuck can he play Hernandez without his tats, R97? We’re talking about a goddamn film/series.

by Anonymousreply 99October 14, 2018 4:47 PM

That's an interesting theory, R98.

It could also explain why his brother isn't talking about it either.

So much damage in that family. I'm shocked that Jonathan Hernandez made it out intact.

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by Anonymousreply 100October 14, 2018 4:48 PM

He isn't ugly enough to play Hernandez.

by Anonymousreply 101October 14, 2018 4:49 PM

Yes, R100- good point. AH probably told lawyer etc...not to disclose who did it. For a lot of reasons but one is that the brother would not want it disclosed. Hopefully his brother is not doing the same to his children. ugh.

by Anonymousreply 102October 14, 2018 4:53 PM

Hernandez was fine asf.

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by Anonymousreply 103October 14, 2018 4:53 PM

Oh, right, r103.

by Anonymousreply 104October 14, 2018 4:54 PM

He and his brother: hair growing halfway down their foreheads.

by Anonymousreply 105October 14, 2018 4:57 PM

And Teresa Giudice, r105.

by Anonymousreply 106October 14, 2018 4:58 PM

"Some of you are heartless animals."

Well,you're the one who is defending a murderer. OJ Simpson may very well have CTE but I don't see too many people here defending him.

by Anonymousreply 107October 14, 2018 4:59 PM

Very interesting thread.

by Anonymousreply 108October 14, 2018 5:13 PM

What’s up with the hairline?

by Anonymousreply 109October 14, 2018 5:27 PM

CTE, like alcohol abuse, only reveals who people truly are underneath the facade. Hernandez was a bad seed from the git go.

by Anonymousreply 110October 14, 2018 5:28 PM

Nothing is "up" with that hairline.

by Anonymousreply 111October 14, 2018 5:29 PM

Probably some side effect of CTE.

by Anonymousreply 112October 14, 2018 5:32 PM

I just wanted to suck it once. The thing was 6 inches soft

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by Anonymousreply 113October 14, 2018 5:41 PM

Can’t wait for part two.

by Anonymousreply 114October 14, 2018 5:43 PM

I wish they were on MY high school football team.....

by Anonymousreply 115October 14, 2018 5:46 PM

[quote] The thing was 6 inches soft

Dennis must have been dickmatized after their relationship.

Once you had a big one like that, nothing else really compares. lol

[quote] I wish they were on MY high school football team.....

Makes you wonder how many other high school locker room trysts are happening, as we speak.

by Anonymousreply 116October 14, 2018 6:01 PM
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by Anonymousreply 117October 14, 2018 6:03 PM

Thank you for the porn visual, R117.

*rolling eyes*

by Anonymousreply 118October 14, 2018 6:04 PM

I've thought about OJ in this context, r107. They might have gone with a CTE defense if that had been a thing in 1994.

And there's probably something to that -- I mean, OJ's judgement has clearly gone to hell apart from the murder: WTF was that armed robbery on a couple of memorabilia dealers that got him sent to jail in 2008?

Nonetheless, OJ still seems to be mostly lucid, so maybe he at age 71 has no more CTE-related damage than Hernandez did at 27.

No FUCKING way would I ever let a son of mine play football or box or do any kind of serious contact sport.

by Anonymousreply 119October 14, 2018 6:39 PM

How do we know Aaron had a huge dick?

He was hot as fuck!

That HS bf of his was gorgeous but has let himself go, sadly.

by Anonymousreply 120October 14, 2018 7:03 PM

Is no one going to share the vid r117 is from?

by Anonymousreply 121October 14, 2018 7:04 PM

I was molested....and I didn’t kill anyone.

by Anonymousreply 122October 14, 2018 7:20 PM

DL wants to cast a white guy who bears no resemblance to AH?

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by Anonymousreply 123October 14, 2018 7:33 PM

He can be Hispanic, R123...but he actor is gonna be waaaay hotter than Hernandez.

by Anonymousreply 124October 14, 2018 8:13 PM

Mmm hmm, I'm quite sure Hernandez and The Marquis de SanSoucie made some beautiful love in their youths.

by Anonymousreply 125October 14, 2018 8:20 PM

It's a proven fact that the majority of adults who sexually molest children were sexually molested themselves as children. So it's entirely possible Hernandez did some kiddie diddling himself at some point.

by Anonymousreply 126October 14, 2018 8:24 PM

Speaking as a sexually abused kid who has NEVER become a sexually abusing adult, the assault on you as a youth radically fucks up your life, if you live long enough to have one, BUT it is not a fait accompli that you will become an abuser. Just my 2 cents. Could Hernandez have abused kids at some point? Sure, but in his case he seems to have gotten some temporary relief in killing and smashing people, both in football and in life. His ultimate smash of course, was to himself.

by Anonymousreply 127October 14, 2018 8:38 PM

R126, that's a myth. Most abusers were not abused as children, and most abuse victims do not become abusers.

by Anonymousreply 128October 14, 2018 8:44 PM

R126's source must be the Nifty News Agency.

by Anonymousreply 129October 14, 2018 9:03 PM

I don't believe it is a myth, respectfully R128.

I also don't believe that it is inevitable that it has to happen. Thousands of dollars in therapy and years on the couch one CAN break the generational abuse...but one must choose to fight the tendency.

by Anonymousreply 130October 14, 2018 9:08 PM

R126 false , some become sexually promiscous and reckless though.

by Anonymousreply 131October 14, 2018 9:13 PM

Different people react in different ways to traumatic events in their childhood like sexual abuse.

Some become deliberately fat to make themselves unappealing to predators or avoid social contact altogether. Some become predators themselves (thinking it's only fair to do to others what has been done to them, or reclaim your power by the act that took away your power, etc.), some become physically ill (cancer), some get mentally crazy (due to resentment issues), some try to distract themselves from the trauma by self medicating with drugs or alcohol, some create a whole new persona trying to leave their traumatic past behind, etc.

by Anonymousreply 132October 14, 2018 9:15 PM

Homophobia warped that guy and killed him. Sad fucking life.

by Anonymousreply 133October 14, 2018 9:19 PM

r126 source?

by Anonymousreply 134October 14, 2018 9:22 PM

The article linked in OP's post has very scant information. Is it really verified he was abused? Sounds like he was getting it on with a boy, a friend, during JR H or HS. But no solid details about the alleged abuse by an adult.

I read the book. It was very fascinating and moving, really. What a shit storm his life became. Nature? Nurture? Both?

Eventually I would like real investigation to discover more.

by Anonymousreply 135October 14, 2018 9:29 PM

Society is fucked up because victims are not allowed to heal, and deal with the trauma, properly. Society deliberately fucks kids up (victimshaming, taboos you are not allowed to talk about with anyone, "boys don't cry" type of repressed emotions, don't be a bother and obey, etc.) to make them easy prey for snake oil salesmen who fuck up these kids up further (religion, homophobia, racism, misogyny, radicalism, etc.) until they are fucked up adults.

by Anonymousreply 136October 14, 2018 9:34 PM

His story has everything, including an appearance by Tim Tebow. Tim was asked by his college football coach to room with Hernandez in the hope that Tim's goodness would rub off on Aaron.

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by Anonymousreply 137October 14, 2018 9:44 PM

I'm sure something of Tim's rubbed off on Hernandez.

by Anonymousreply 138October 14, 2018 9:46 PM

R137 it was the other way around Aaron’s goodness rubbed on Tim’s taint..

by Anonymousreply 139October 14, 2018 9:47 PM

I know it fucked up, but MEN should do one of their porn series about Hernandez's repressed life where he fucks guys like Tebow and his college friend and his prison bitch.

by Anonymousreply 140October 14, 2018 9:50 PM

New York Post just carried the story.

by Anonymousreply 141October 14, 2018 9:57 PM

And Daily Mail.

by Anonymousreply 142October 14, 2018 9:58 PM

He was a veritable shit brickhouse.

by Anonymousreply 143October 14, 2018 10:06 PM

I called it over a year ago that he was sexually abused. They way they described how his behavior changed drastically when he was a teenager was indicative of a young person who had suffered from a major abuse crisis. Very unfortunate. I agree with r136. It's a damn shame that he made it to adulthood without receiving the proper help.

by Anonymousreply 144October 14, 2018 10:15 PM

R132 Very well said, I could not agree with you more.

by Anonymousreply 145October 14, 2018 10:47 PM

[quote]All his Marine buddies will probably be patting him on the back for letting the legendary Aaron Hernandez go beast mode on his greedy hole.

Oh yeah I’m so totally sure THAT’S true.

by Anonymousreply 146October 14, 2018 10:53 PM

Tim Tebow recruited him to FL for college.

by Anonymousreply 147October 14, 2018 11:02 PM

A little unknown fact.........while a college athlete in Florida, Aaron s dorm roommate was non other than Tim Tebow. That could have been interesting.........Aaron had a caotic, violent short life. His father was a psycho who thought Aaron was somewhat girly and tried to stomp it out of him, literally.......he had nut job fanatic religion foisted on him at various points in his life, he was part of an ultra macho violent sport which was making him rich and meanwhile all along he was on the downlow with guys in private private since junior high. Add to that a somewhat dim long time girlfriend since highschool and one out of wedlock kid. He had severe issues hitting him from all directions. Its no wonder it all spun out of control. Its not an excuse for murder but its all more than anybody should ever be thrown in life.

by Anonymousreply 148October 14, 2018 11:26 PM

Did Hernandez ever hit that big Tim Tebow booty?

by Anonymousreply 149October 14, 2018 11:29 PM

I hope Tebow got to sample that dick

by Anonymousreply 150October 14, 2018 11:30 PM

i hate the florida fucking gators They knew they had a guy with serious problems and instrad of getting him help they swept everything under the rug so he could help them win some games.

by Anonymousreply 151October 14, 2018 11:32 PM

[quote]A little unknown fact

r148 we love you but that fact is mentioned in every thread about Hernandez, including this one.

i should’ve gone to FSU, we could’ve had a throuple.

by Anonymousreply 152October 14, 2018 11:36 PM

oh yeah...Aaron was definitely a bad seed. He was underage but that didn't stop him from drinking 2 drinks at a resto/bar in FL and when asked to pay for them, he punched the manager so hard that his eardrums burst. No chargers were filed.

by Anonymousreply 153October 14, 2018 11:38 PM

R152 UF not fsu

by Anonymousreply 154October 14, 2018 11:38 PM

r154 eh, state school in florida, close enough... my mind was on them double-teaming me.

by Anonymousreply 155October 14, 2018 11:40 PM

Hot pinga madness!

by Anonymousreply 156October 15, 2018 12:24 AM

Are you serious, R153! Fucking hell, what a nutcase.

by Anonymousreply 157October 15, 2018 2:15 AM

[quote] I hope Tebow got to sample that dick

I KNOW Tebow got to sample that dick.

There, I fixed it for you.

by Anonymousreply 158October 15, 2018 2:27 AM
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by Anonymousreply 159October 15, 2018 2:29 AM

Tebow walked out of an interview when he was asked about Hernandez.

by Anonymousreply 160October 15, 2018 2:31 AM

The second installment is up on the Boston Globe site. Unf I am locked out of their communist shit pay wall but surely someone here can access it

by Anonymousreply 161October 15, 2018 2:31 AM

They look pretty happy at r159, JUST SAYIN

by Anonymousreply 162October 15, 2018 2:41 AM

True love...

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by Anonymousreply 163October 15, 2018 2:51 AM

Aaron: "So Tim, what are we gonna do when we get back to the dorm?"

Tim: "Here Aaron, let me show you."

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by Anonymousreply 164October 15, 2018 2:52 AM

Part II was wack. The Globe couldn’t get details on any of Aaron’s college lovers in Florida? Just talks about football, violent antics, and heavy drug use. No sex! All the hot ass he must have pounded in Florida during those years and they couldn’t find one guy?

by Anonymousreply 165October 15, 2018 2:59 AM

r165, those of us who banged him in Florida are all hiding in the closet

by Anonymousreply 166October 15, 2018 3:00 AM

R148, and anyone else, imagine how many other football players are in the exact position, and were raised similarly?

Let’s face it. A majority of pro ball players didn’t have to choose between playing ball, or going to med school. Football was and is the only “out” for hundreds of guys who grew up in situations quite similar to that of Hernandez’s.

Lot’s of criminal behavior committed by pro football players. Coincidence?

by Anonymousreply 167October 15, 2018 3:02 AM

R147 but how😏

We already know AH had a sexual relationship with his HS quarterback.

by Anonymousreply 168October 15, 2018 3:35 AM

Meyer was “growing frustrated” with him, according to a book by Hernandez’s lawyer, because the tight end was a chronic marijuana smoker. Meyer had tried to throw Hernandez off the team but relented under pressure from Tebow, according to the attorney, Jose Baez.

by Anonymousreply 169October 15, 2018 3:53 AM

Would someone like to tell me what the fuck the point of all this is, now that he's dead? It all sounds like a convenient way to shift scrutiny from Belichick and the Pats org for enabling his behaviour.

r167 there's a difference between being raised in a low-income house & being abused. Not every poor person would have Hernandez' laundry list of traumas. As to the CTE, there are no reputable studies because, in order to do it properly, you have to control for PEDs and recreational drugs, as well as societal factors. PAs in the NHL & NFL have resisted this. Some NFLers have said they'd be happy to sign a waiver, because they believe it's worth it for their families.

by Anonymousreply 170October 15, 2018 4:13 AM

R170 it wasn’t just belichick and the pats, its florida and spurrier as well, they knew from the get go he needed major help and they did nothing.

by Anonymousreply 171October 15, 2018 4:25 AM

R151 Yep. And I live in Fl and have quite a few Gators in my immediate family.

Back during the aftermath of the murder, many were questioning how such an upstanding Xtian great leader like Urban Meyer could have let his (known) behavior go on while he was in Gainesville. Ha! Three years later after the domestic kerfuffle in Columbus(@OSU) I think we understand it a lot more.

Meyer is just another coach for whom winning is all that matters. If AH had raped a dude or a chick while at UF I guarantee Meyer would have helped cover it up.

by Anonymousreply 172October 15, 2018 4:25 AM

R152 You have committed the ultimate unforgivable sin in the Sunshine State.

You confused FSU with UF. It is quite difficult to get into UF, even for a state resident. FSU, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 173October 15, 2018 4:28 AM

Oh wait Meyer and not spurrier they are both pos.

by Anonymousreply 174October 15, 2018 4:29 AM

R157, yes, it made the papers. Tim was at the bar with him!

The report said a waitress at The Swamp Restaurant brought Hernandez the drinks, which he consumed before refusing to pay the bill. Manager Michael Taphorn confronted Hernandez, then asked him to leave. Outside the bar, Hernandez told police, Taphorn got into his face. When Taphorn turned to re-enter the bar, police said Hernandez hit him on the side of the head.

he original incident report lists Tebow only as "Witness 1," but his identity has been verified to USA TODAY Sports by Gainesville Police Department spokesman Ben Tobias and the supplemental report. Tebow, according to the supplemental report, "was concerned that his name would get out to the media as being involved in the incident," and that's why he was anonymously listed as a witness.

The incident took place around 1 a.m. ET on April 28, and Hernandez left the area immediately after the altercation. When a responding officer could not locate him, the officer interviewed Tebow, who said he tried to resolve the problem, according to the supplemental report. Tebow said he urged Hernandez to leave peacefully and tried to make arrangements to pay the bill. Later, when police interviewed Hernandez, Tebow was present.

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by Anonymousreply 175October 15, 2018 4:37 AM

Wasn’t Riley Cooper on that Florida team too? What a collection of hot jocks.

by Anonymousreply 176October 15, 2018 4:38 AM

What does his having been molested as a child have to do with his committing murder years later?

by Anonymousreply 177October 15, 2018 4:42 AM

"It is quite difficult to get into UF"

Compared to what, r173? FSU, I guess. Not much of a comparison.

by Anonymousreply 178October 15, 2018 4:44 AM

Belichick was his last chance--it effectively gave him an endorsement for the behaviour. He's not known as a hand-holding GM/coach, so if he came in with anything it was not going to be addressed under Belichick.

r172 the domestic incident was totally different. His responsibility for/with his university athletes is different than his responsibility for the private relationship issues of his employees. Not that he's blameless in how he handled it, but the former is much worse.

by Anonymousreply 179October 15, 2018 4:51 AM

i read baezs'book. he is the ultimate ego maniac. interesting but he did it for the bucks. don't forget he got that evil bitch off for murdering her little girl......

aaron's brother's book is coming out this month. that is where that story got all this info.....i believe his brother just tells the dirty rotten truth of it all. their mother was a real charmer as well.....christ. he should have never been convicted of odins murder....there was no real evidence implicating him.

or there was.......film of them everywhere, gum he bought on a shell casing, video of them leaving and coming back without odin. the question is WHY was odin killed?? he was aaron's fiancee's sisters boyfriend. both those girls could pick 'em.

by Anonymousreply 180October 15, 2018 5:18 AM

R180, I think he was killed because he was gonna out Aaron...to his family or gang etc.

by Anonymousreply 181October 15, 2018 5:29 AM

R178 Yep. I originally thought that UF was just a typical state university like Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia.

But once I moved here I found out that I was incorrect. While it is not U of Texas, Cal or Michigan, it is a fair distance above the SRC schools I mentioned as well as many Big 12 and even Big 10 universities. As a matter of fact there is a cottage industry here in the state which attempts to position a potential in state resident to be admitted after being rejected. It basically involves going to a collection of junior colleges, one is actually in Gainesville, and getting one's grades up after which one hopes to be admitted as a junior.

I realize this is anecdotal, and you may doubt the accuracy of it, but I promise you it is the truth. I worked with a woman whose son was quite bright and seemingly a model student. He had a 4.0 average and was the VP of the SGA. He had many club and extracurricular activities, however known of them were sports. Florida was his first choice, and he had no real interest in his safety schools.

Sure enough, he was accepted by all his safety schools including Miami, Ga, Auburn, UCF and LSU. He was rejected by Uof F. After a near nervous breakdown, his parents decided to send him to that Juco in Gainesville. One year later he was accepted as a transfer student.

I'm not claiming that FL is a snob school with the heft of Cal, but it is no cupcake situation either. And FWIW, after graduating UF with a 4.0 average he was accepted into my alma mater(Duke) Medical School. Not terribly shabby.

by Anonymousreply 182October 15, 2018 6:01 AM

oops. that should have been SEC not SRC

by Anonymousreply 183October 15, 2018 6:03 AM

BUMP

by Anonymousreply 184October 15, 2018 8:53 AM

r173 my only interest in sportsball can be sated on datalounge.

i do miss that wonderful cuban café in tally, tho. i can taste that cafe con leche now.

by Anonymousreply 185October 15, 2018 10:22 AM

Aaron could have molested us any time he wanted!

by Anonymousreply 186October 15, 2018 10:24 AM

Erna, I am sure that he would have lived up to your expectations, but methinks he had a very scary temper. Lord only knows what might have happened if you pissed him off---not that you ever piss anyone off of course.

by Anonymousreply 187October 15, 2018 12:29 PM

So Tim Tebow was his college boyfriend.

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by Anonymousreply 188October 15, 2018 12:40 PM

➡️🍆🍆⬅️

by Anonymousreply 189October 15, 2018 1:09 PM

R188. Look how Aaron is standing on his tip toes so his junk lines up with TT's. Hot.

by Anonymousreply 190October 15, 2018 1:44 PM

I'm comfortable in saying that Tebow was not Aaron's college bf. Did they play a little grab ass? Probably. But he was very involved with his high school bf back in Bristol(he may have been at UConn.) I'm talking about that cute guy who testified at the trial and who was photographed with him leaving the Saddle Ranch in WeHo. Tebow is just too damn repressed to do much more than mutual masturbation, frottage and possibly receptive oral.

by Anonymousreply 191October 15, 2018 2:03 PM

with Tim T " to do much more than mutual masturbation, frottage and possibly receptive oral. ", that would be plenty for me!

by Anonymousreply 192October 15, 2018 2:14 PM

New Wondery podcast and accompanying Globe articles coming out.

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by Anonymousreply 193October 15, 2018 2:24 PM

My favorite pun, although you have to know French. Frederick the Great wrote Voltaire: "P/venez a c/100. (Sanssouci was Frederick the Great's palace)." Voltaire wrote back: "Ga." Can you figure it out?

by Anonymousreply 194October 15, 2018 2:30 PM

Is Tebow even his type? A virginal country farm boy? I don’t get the Tebow obsession around here. Aaron had much better men to choose from in Florida. Guys with some swag. Some flavor. Who could hang and smoke blunts with him all night. That’s what Aaron likes. Not some bible thumping clown like Tebow who was probably in bed at 8pm sharp.

by Anonymousreply 195October 15, 2018 2:31 PM

Most football players idolize their QB. He is such a commanding figure in their lives.

by Anonymousreply 196October 15, 2018 2:33 PM

Aaron Hernandez is not most football players. He probably respected Tebow but didn’t hang with him off the field. They were two completely different people.

by Anonymousreply 197October 15, 2018 2:36 PM

R181: that really seems to be what many many people think.......i can see it considering how fucked in the head Aaron was, but still, the whole thing is so sad and so tragic. odin wasn't exactly at the top of HIS class either because after he got in that car with Aaron and the other wanna be OG's he was texting his sister about 'did you see who i was with, or.... left with?' then "NFL"...a few minutes after that he was finished.

he KNEW something was up..... i am in the minority i suppose but i have a ton of sympathy for Aaron. and I think he was gorgeous besides talented...... tho i don't care for baez bet if he would have defended him in that 1st case there would have been no conviction, or a much much lesser one.

by Anonymousreply 198October 15, 2018 2:44 PM

Didn't he kill some guy in a club because he thought they disrespected him? It sounds more like Aaron believed in street thug justice than CTE. And to the person upthread who said he had way more to deal with than most in 27 years - you unfortunately described the lives of a lot of people, especially poor people. This one, however, had an escape that brought him good money. He is not the only poor guy on the down low screwing women to stay in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 199October 15, 2018 3:04 PM

"Meyer had tried to throw Hernandez off the team but relented under pressure from Tebow, according to the attorney, Jose Baez."

Please, Urban, don't send my boyfriend away!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 200October 15, 2018 3:07 PM

One thing I associate with CTE, is altered personality. And an unpredictable temper. Volatility. And since Aaron was subjected to violence from an early age, he expressed his volatility violently. OJ drank a lot and brutalized both his wives. Is it possible he suffered from CTE? Yes. It is. He certainly exhibited symptoms. I don't think he was physically abused as a child, but he certainly seemed to be an angry kid who grew into a hateful homophobe because his father was gay, and deserted his mother. I think with OJJ his behavior had less to do with CTE and more to do with his violent, entitled temperament.

by Anonymousreply 201October 15, 2018 3:13 PM

R191 which boyfriend are you referring to? I thought the high school quarterback was his boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 202October 15, 2018 3:13 PM

R191 “Tebow is just too damn repressed to do much more than mutual masturbation, frottage and possibly receptive oral.”

Wait what? That’s not indicative of being repressed at all (that would be NO homosexual or even any sexual activity at all) Some of us just have prefererence this way. As for Tebow I doubt anything occurred but possibly a sublimated sexual/romantic interest that he could convince himself was Christian brotherly love

by Anonymousreply 203October 15, 2018 3:28 PM

R197 Um, they LIVED together,

by Anonymousreply 204October 15, 2018 3:42 PM

No R68, the only “sports” threads people participate in here are ice skating and tennis. Gossip about Aaron Rodgers is not caring about the NFL. But thanks for playing.

by Anonymousreply 205October 15, 2018 3:46 PM

Has anyone listened to the podcast? Did they discuss anything not covered in the series?

by Anonymousreply 206October 15, 2018 3:57 PM

[quote] Wait what? That’s not indicative of being repressed at all (that would be NO homosexual or even any sexual activity at all)

LOL. Why do you think rape fantasies are so popular with submissive bottoms and closet cases? "It was done TO me! I had no say or control! Someone else was in charge / is to blame!". Same goes with getting high on drugs or blackout from alcohol where you loosen up and let go of that repressed state of mind.

I can totally see Christian virgin Tebow getting plowed by brutal top Aaron because Aaron was in one of his angry moods again and Tebow took it like the good Christian boy he is.

by Anonymousreply 207October 15, 2018 3:59 PM

[quote] Is Tebow even his type?

Any attractive bottom was Aaron's type.

Especially when he was horny.

The two guys we know of Aaron definitely being with were the high school quarterback, and the prison twink. Both were cute, and both were bottoms.

Tell me how Tebow was any different?

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by Anonymousreply 209October 15, 2018 4:11 PM

Another thing was proximity.

Dennis SanSoucie had been Aaron's friend and quarterback all throughout high school. Every day.

Tim Tebow was Aaron's roommate in college.

Aaron's prison bitch Kyle Kennedy got to see him every day.

Mix the attraction with the proximity, and to me, that means that Aaron was hitting it with Tebow.

Besides, who could blame them? Imagine a horny bottom coming home to see this every day.

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by Anonymousreply 210October 15, 2018 4:13 PM

Yeah and Tebow fighting for his roomate to stay on the team doesn't exactly squash the rumor that they were indeed lovers.

by Anonymousreply 211October 15, 2018 4:15 PM

Aaron was a very aggressive and violent person, but he really seemed to be affectionate and loving with his boyfriends.

Never mention of abuse by either SanSoucie or Kennedy.

Weird.

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by Anonymousreply 212October 15, 2018 4:15 PM

[QUOTE]Tell me how Tebow was any different?

Because he isn’t cute. And he’s not a twink. And he’s a dull Garth Brooks listening, bible verse quoting lame? Why would Aaron want to hang with him?

by Anonymousreply 213October 15, 2018 4:16 PM

[QUOTE]Yeah and Tebow fighting for his roomate to stay on the team doesn't exactly squash the rumor that they were indeed lovers.

Tebow fought for him to stay on the team cause he was the best tight end in college football, by far. A tight end is a quarterback’s security blanket on the field. So long as Aaron was playing, Tebow could get the ball to him. Tom Brady probably loved him, too. Does that mean Aaron was banging him?

by Anonymousreply 214October 15, 2018 4:18 PM

Funny you should ask, R214....

by Anonymousreply 215October 15, 2018 4:19 PM

R205 I have no idea why you are so invested in maintaining that DL does not have any true football and hoops fans. If you thought I meant threads about Aaron Rodgers's bearding or the beauty of Jimmy G String I did not. We have decent threads which are actually about the quality of the players, coaches and games.

Take a look at R214's post. Does that seem like someone who only views football as an opportunity to check out the VPLs of the hottest players? I enjoy dishing about the players and their sex lives as much as the next person, but I also like talking actual sports with other DLers.

by Anonymousreply 216October 15, 2018 4:27 PM

The thought of AH eating TT's hole for an hour before sliding that big throbbing dick in just makes me all moist "down there" ! Id bet my gay card SOMETHING happened between those 2,but what we will never know.

by Anonymousreply 217October 15, 2018 4:51 PM

R199......that whole 'he killed someone in Cure because they spilled a drink on him and he felt disrespected' is BULLSHIT.

also regarding CTE, PBS had a great series on this and it really fucks badly with these men. I saw the one on Mike Webster and it was horrifying, this is a link to the story but here is part of it:

By the time Webster entered the Hall of Fame in July 1997, he had become a recluse, in agony from herniated discs and hand injuries, impoverished and angry at his fate. He put on a brave front, though, for his two daughters. His youngest child, Hillary, who was living in Wisconsin with her mother, says that in recent years, “My father called me every night.”

But his two sons, who lived with him at different times, saw a more tortured side. Colin remembers that his father was shaking so much from his condition that his desperate solution was to buy a police Taser gun. “He’d zap himself to calm his nerves. He’d do it 10 or 20 times to relax.” his wife said:

“Mike changed.” He seemed physically disoriented and started to behave strangely. Webster had always handled their financial affairs, so his wife was startled to discover that he wasn’t opening mail, or paying bills, or even filing taxes. This reliable family man who used to read his children Bible stories at bedtime began to get in his car and disappear for days. “I didn’t realize he had a brain injury,” says Pamela. “I just thought he was angry at me all the time.”

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by Anonymousreply 218October 15, 2018 5:09 PM

Sport IS Murder!

by Anonymousreply 219October 15, 2018 5:13 PM

I believe we are seeing the twilight of Football. The NFL is going to try to start buying up soccer teams. Professional soccer is becoming very popular in the USA...finally.

by Anonymousreply 220October 15, 2018 5:55 PM

How do you know, r217?

by Anonymousreply 221October 15, 2018 6:08 PM

[quote]Because he isn’t cute.

The lies you tell.

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by Anonymousreply 222October 15, 2018 6:28 PM

Please, somebody write a fanfic about Aaron and Tim!

by Anonymousreply 223October 15, 2018 6:28 PM

Fuck Tebow!

I just want Bradley to finally confess about the long nights of smoldering thug passion that he shared with AH. That shit must've been hotter than fish grease gurl!

[quote]“I MISS U AND LOVE YOU and still watch videos of us having fun every single day and can’t believe this and will keep saying I can’t believe all of this cuz I truly can’t believe all of this [expletive] is goin on!!” Hernandez wrote.

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by Anonymousreply 224October 15, 2018 6:41 PM

putting aside the killings, it's hot to think of two MASCULINE guys getting it on.

that's what this is all about, right?

by Anonymousreply 225October 15, 2018 6:47 PM

I'm listening to the first episode of the podcast and a Patriots teammate mentions that when he joined the team he was warned by another Patriots about Hernandez talking about graphic gay sex, being bathed by his mother, and always his gentials out. Hernandez would sometimes Belicheck "daddy".

by Anonymousreply 226October 15, 2018 6:53 PM

Aaron's personal assistant, that cute twink didn't hook up with him until he was traded to the Pats. They got back in touch after Aaron moved back to CT area. I remember this from the trial.

Aaron talks about God a lot, not sure if he only found religion while locked up but I think he would have that in common with Tebow. I definitely think they did something sexual. Tebow recruited him to FL. Tebow became his roommate, looked out for him the best he could. Both in the closet, lots in common and i didn't follow their games back then but if they did well on the field together, then I think they were doing well in the bedroom as well. Do the math. And then they were together again in New England Pats.

by Anonymousreply 227October 15, 2018 6:54 PM

[quote]Aaron's personal assistant, that cute twink didn't hook up with him until he was traded to the Pats. They got back in touch after Aaron moved back to CT area. I remember this from the trial.

That's Ryan. The prosecution wanted to question what Aaron was doing alone with Ryan in Costa Rica for 7 days, but Baez completely shut down that line of questioning. Obviously getting their freak on the whole week!

For all intensive purposes, Ryan was basically Aaron's male wife. Ryan held him down always and talked to him more than anyone while he was in prison. A true ride or die

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by Anonymousreply 228October 15, 2018 7:00 PM

"For all intensive purposes", r228?

Oh, DEAR!

by Anonymousreply 229October 15, 2018 7:05 PM

LOL r229

spellcheck don't care

by Anonymousreply 230October 15, 2018 7:11 PM

Sorry, I think it is obvious Tebow and Aaron were involved. Apparently Aaron being gay wasn't that big of a secret. And Tebow would not have risked his rep unless there was something personal going on.

by Anonymousreply 231October 15, 2018 7:18 PM

He really pinged in some of his old high school photos. His brother said that he wanted to be a cheerleader but his father wouldn't have it.

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by Anonymousreply 232October 15, 2018 7:19 PM

R231 opposites attract!

by Anonymousreply 233October 15, 2018 7:19 PM

When I saw the headline I thought Ryan Mc (the guy mentioned above) had come out but I was surprised to hear another guy Aaron messed around with came out.

I've been on this story since the suicide, for those who dont know. Ryan was also a friend of Aaron's in high school in Bristol that people are speculating was in a gay relationship with Aaron. According to some Boston reporter, everyone involved in the case knew of their relationship in High School and there was even an article written about it excluding Ryans name.

Ryan later became Aaron's personal assistant and they were caught by the papparazzi exiting a bar in West Hollywood which was posted earlier in this thread. And as someone mentioned they went to costa rica alone for a week and Ryan was questioned on trial because of that trip.

Ryan has since married to a woman and I think only DL knows about him.

by Anonymousreply 234October 15, 2018 7:49 PM

Maybe we will finally see a dick pic after all? Maybe Ryan or the High School QB or some other sexual partner will have a pic of Aaron naked. I bet someone won’t such a pic might be able to make some money from it.

by Anonymousreply 235October 15, 2018 7:57 PM

I'm sure Ryan desperately wants this story to go away. Because the more that comes out about Aaron the more the crock of shit he fed his now wife about his own relationship with Aaron begins to smell. But then again Shayanna was dumb about Aaron's double life for such a long time that I could see her being the same way.

by Anonymousreply 236October 15, 2018 8:00 PM

I think Shayanna knew but Aaron is the best thing that happened to her and is her meal ticket so she closed one eye and hung on the best she could. No doubt she loved him.

by Anonymousreply 237October 15, 2018 8:06 PM

Kyle Kennedy the tatted thug that Aaron was smashing in jail was supposed to be released earlier this year and he said he was going to talk about their relationship when he was released per his lawyer but that never happened and their camp has been quiet ever since. Its been reported that he too was writing a book about it but thats been kind of quiet.

I suppose we'll find out more about Dennis (both the father and the HS QB) in Aaron's brothers book that comes out later this month. I'm sure this is why all of this is coming out now and why Jonathan is being interviewed... its pretty much a press tour for his book. And I'm also sure Dennis (The QB) shared a lot of that with Jonathan for that book.

by Anonymousreply 238October 15, 2018 8:08 PM

r34

The article actually did mention Ryan's name. It was Michelle McPhee that excluded his name but said "His high school lover was interviewed by Boston 25" essentially outing him anyway. That was on the same radio interview that people are speculating was the reason Aaron killed himself.

I just checked her twitter and shes so proud of herself for having the "scoop" before the Boston Globe did. Nevermind that she outed several people and could have caused Aaron's suicide. Still a cunt.

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by Anonymousreply 239October 15, 2018 8:18 PM

wasn't he a member of the gang bloods or something? I think you will be killed if you're gay...if my memory serves.

by Anonymousreply 240October 15, 2018 8:20 PM

The high school quarterback was interviewed in the second episode of the podcast along with his father who was also a football coach. The father of the quarterback comes off as a total moron.

by Anonymousreply 241October 15, 2018 8:30 PM

[QUOTE]That's Ryan. The prosecution wanted to question what Aaron was doing alone with Ryan in Costa Rica for 7 days, but Baez completely shut down that line of questioning. Obviously getting their freak on the whole week!

Aaron tore that white boy ass up.

by Anonymousreply 242October 15, 2018 9:07 PM

[Quote]Kyle Kennedy the tatted thug that Aaron was smashing in jail was supposed to be released earlier this year and he said he was going to talk about their relationship when he was released per his lawyer but that never happened and their camp has been quiet ever since. Its been reported that he too was writing a book about it but thats been kind of quiet.

Kyle is a liar. The Daily Fail said one of Aaron's three suicide letters was for him, with the two others addressed to his fiancee and daughter. It turns out the last letter was for his lawyer, not Kyle. Wonder who lied about it. Wouldn't be surprised if Kyle made everything up and The Daily Fail believed him.

by Anonymousreply 243October 15, 2018 9:14 PM

[Quote]Kyle Kennedy the tatted thug that Aaron was smashing in jail was supposed to be released earlier this year and he said he was going to talk about their relationship when he was released per his lawyer but that never happened and their camp has been quiet ever since. Its been reported that he too was writing a book about it but thats been kind of quiet.

Kyle is a liar. The Daily Fail said one of Aaron's three suicide letters was for him, with the two others addressed to his fiancee and daughter. It turns out the last letter was for his lawyer, not Kyle. Wonder who lied about it. Wouldn't be surprised if Kyle made everything up and The Daily Fail believed him.

by Anonymousreply 244October 15, 2018 9:14 PM

Did Tim Tebow ever visit Aaron in prison?

by Anonymousreply 245October 15, 2018 9:24 PM

Brilliant thread. The tragedy of a gorgeous football player is so much more interesting than politics or Shelley Duvall.

by Anonymousreply 246October 15, 2018 9:30 PM

Now there is a desperate need for a movie about all this. And who will play the roles? I nominate Aaron Eckhart for for Aaron H. I'd love to see his gorgeous Mormon ass get banged on the screen.

by Anonymousreply 247October 15, 2018 9:33 PM

I sure hope James Franco does not get his hands on this or he will play a terrible version of Aaron H.

by Anonymousreply 248October 15, 2018 10:01 PM

I LOVE you, R229! All caps made my day!

by Anonymousreply 249October 15, 2018 10:19 PM

Why would a successful FB player be in a gang?

Are we sure Aaron was gay? It seems that way but I don't want wishful thinking. He is gorgeous!

by Anonymousreply 250October 15, 2018 10:27 PM

A gay football player is a very confusing concept for straight guys. They think gays are too afraid of breaking a nail to get down and dirty.

by Anonymousreply 251October 15, 2018 10:30 PM

Can someone start an Aaron Hernandez bulge thread? I've seen a lot of hot shots out there. I would do it but I'm too lazy.

by Anonymousreply 252October 15, 2018 10:33 PM

There are a lot of gay men who play sports. A lot. My first bf played FB.

by Anonymousreply 253October 15, 2018 10:41 PM

r247 cont'd. Jon Cena? Channing Tatum?

by Anonymousreply 254October 15, 2018 11:21 PM

Aaron was Latino. Those white guys cannot play him.

by Anonymousreply 255October 15, 2018 11:25 PM

Many latinos are white. Latino is not a race.

by Anonymousreply 256October 15, 2018 11:28 PM

He's of Puerto Rican and Italian descent. Why people are suggesting Aaron Eckhart, Jon Cena, and Channing Tatum for Aaron makes no sense. Cast someone of color.

by Anonymousreply 257October 15, 2018 11:32 PM

Aaron has been in the bloods gang since he was a teenager. Then he moved away to FL for college. Then he went to NFL, got traded to New England Patriots, his old hood where all the bad influences were.

by Anonymousreply 258October 15, 2018 11:34 PM

Just so you know, he was the only gay football player named Aaron, so don't you dare start speculating about others!

by Anonymousreply 259October 16, 2018 1:09 AM

They could make up Cena or Tatum to look Latino.

by Anonymousreply 260October 16, 2018 1:17 AM

^ And this is why fans and actors have to push hard to make casting representational rather than to feed the need of white people to see themselves in everything.

Aaron Eckhart is white, blond, and on the far side of forty.

Here’s an idea: let’s do Mormon in Hollywood: The Aaron Eckhart Story starring dead ringer Mario Lopez in the lead.

by Anonymousreply 261October 16, 2018 1:52 AM

[quote]let’s do Mormon in Hollywood: The Aaron Eckhart Story starring dead ringer Mario Lopez in the lead.

This is the type of colorblind casting that's DESTROYING art!

by Anonymousreply 262October 16, 2018 1:57 AM

Part three is published.

by Anonymousreply 263October 16, 2018 2:20 AM
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by Anonymousreply 264October 16, 2018 2:21 AM

And we’ve already decided on Latino actor Brandon Larracuente to play Aaron in the movie.

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by Anonymousreply 265October 16, 2018 2:23 AM

Wow, Aaron would be naked in the locker room talking about his mom bathing him and talking about gay sex? He would call the coach “Daddy”. Some of the Patriots must have suspected/known he was gay

by Anonymousreply 266October 16, 2018 2:24 AM

His hairline scares me.

by Anonymousreply 267October 16, 2018 2:27 AM

r256 nope. The REAL casting was done in the original "Aaron Hernandez was hung" thread series and the part has been given too Miguel Gomez!

Brandon Larracuente can play Tebow though

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by Anonymousreply 268October 16, 2018 2:30 AM

Football players were animals with cocaine fueled orgies and they'd do group stuff and get wild and crazy, at least they did when OJ was playing. The world of the NFL was a pretty rough wild world. it is only lately that guys actually get busted for domestic violence or drugs because the NFL used to hush that stuff up back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's. Ask Jim Brown how many women he beat up. Or about cocaine. That subculture was a law unto itself. By the time Aaron Hernandez went pro it was a lot tamer, but it was still pretty wild.

by Anonymousreply 269October 16, 2018 2:32 AM

Ryan had to give the bussy to Aaron because he knew if he turned on him he would be full of lead in alley somewhere. He was probably relieved when they locked Aaron up so he would no longer feel obligated to answer his every booty call!

by Anonymousreply 270October 16, 2018 2:34 AM

These football players have such distinct faces. Hard to cast. How about Glenn Powell as Tebow?

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by Anonymousreply 271October 16, 2018 2:42 AM

Wait...I haven't read this whole thread. 1- who is Ryan? 2- him having a prison lover, Kyle, was a lie?

by Anonymousreply 272October 16, 2018 2:57 AM

What it must've been like to get fucked good by that hot, hunky blood!

by Anonymousreply 273October 16, 2018 2:58 AM

Kyle never claimed the letters was for him. An officer told him that Aaron may have left him a letter. Kyle never saw the letter he just thought it was for him due to how close he thought he was with Aaron. He did however say a watch that Aaron left behind was for him.

That was probably a lie.

by Anonymousreply 274October 16, 2018 3:07 AM

Miguel Gomez is too old to play Aaron in the full range of his life. And his head isn’t shaped the same—it’s round rather than oval.

We need a young up and coming heartthrob whose performance alone will help garner positive attention. Someone who’s never played a role like this and will be venturing outside of his usual castings. Miguel’s time has come and gone—Brandon is the better man for this job.

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by Anonymousreply 275October 16, 2018 3:15 AM

[quote]Wow, Aaron would be naked in the locker room talking about his mom bathing him and talking about gay sex? He would call the coach “Daddy”. Some of the Patriots must have suspected/known he was gay

Some of them probably knew and maybe didn't care. In the podcast, it said Wes Welker warned a new teammate about Aaron talking about gay sex. Welker was clearly uncomfortable with it. But, I also wonder if Welker feared Aaron and that's why he kept quiet with the press.

by Anonymousreply 276October 16, 2018 3:49 AM

That queen better not have groped my husband!

by Anonymousreply 277October 16, 2018 4:01 AM

Will the suspect be named in the new book?

by Anonymousreply 278October 16, 2018 4:29 AM

. He made me stiff as board.

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by Anonymousreply 279October 16, 2018 4:52 AM

his mom bathing him? at what age? maybe he was molested by his mom?

by Anonymousreply 280October 16, 2018 5:29 AM

Scouts described him as a social misfit with a serious marijuana habit, and there were concerns about his possible ties to criminals in his hometown of Bristol, Conn.

Yet with the 113th pick of the draft, the New England Patriots took a chance on Hernandez. Leaders of the most successful football team of the 21st century saw themselves as uniquely suited to molding troubled players into valued contributors. They were banking on their system to keep Hernandez in line.

It was The Patriot Way.

For Hernandez and the team, the pick would prove a massive miscalculation.

“Him going to New England was the worst thing the NFL could have done,’’ said Dennis SanSoucie, Hernandez’s friend since childhood. “The one place you don’t send him back is where he tried getting away from.’’

by Anonymousreply 281October 16, 2018 5:53 AM

For three bizarre years, teammates and team officials watched Hernandez spiral into trouble with a range of reactions from bemusement to annoyance to alarm; some also learned to give his Bristol crowd a wide berth. Hernandez could be weirdly warm and fuzzy one minute, wildly raging the next, and, as time went on, frequently agitated — and armed.

There’s no evidence that his coaches or others associated with his football career knew with certainty that Hernandez was heavily into drugs or dangerously brandishing weapons, but there were plenty of warning signs. As long as he performed weekend miracles on the football field, no one seemed too eager to find out more about what was up with Hernandez, chalking up his behavior to his youth and dubious choice of friends and hoping that a fiancee and a new baby would turn him around.

That, it turned out, was wishful thinking.

by Anonymousreply 282October 16, 2018 5:55 AM

If Belichick and Kraft knew anything about Hernandez’s disturbing behavior before his name became synonymous with shocking violence, they have yet to acknowledge it. But Hernandez’s issues were common knowledge in the locker room.

Hernandez’s combustible temper became readily evident. In his first days in training camp, he threatened to “f— up’’ six-year veteran Wes Welker, after Welker teased him about needing help in the film room, according to individuals familiar with the incident.

by Anonymousreply 283October 16, 2018 6:00 AM

Receiver Brandon Lloyd, offering his most detailed account of Hernandez’s troubling behavior, said Welker warned him.

“He is looking at me wide-eyed,’’ Lloyd recalled. “And he says, ‘I just want to warn you that [Hernandez] is going to talk about being bathed by his mother. He’s going to have his genitalia out in front of you while you’re sitting on your stool. He’s going to talk about gay sex. Just do your best to ignore it. Even walk away.’ ’’

“There would be swings where he’d be the most hyper-masculine, aggressive individual in the room, where he’d be ready to fight somebody in fits of rage,’’ Lloyd said. “Or he’d be the most sensitive person in the room, talking about cuddling with his mother. Or he’d ask me, ‘Do you think I’m good enough to play?’ ’’

by Anonymousreply 284October 16, 2018 6:01 AM

The podcast has some more details, including the interviews with his teammates.

by Anonymousreply 285October 16, 2018 6:05 AM
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by Anonymousreply 286October 16, 2018 6:07 AM

r283 Belichick knew. The NFL front office also knew. There were even rumours that other sports teams knew, because they had guys who were partying with him and their teams were concerned.

It defies common sense that an organization like the Pats and a meticulous coach like Belichick wouldn't know exactly what they were dealing with before they signed him.

by Anonymousreply 287October 16, 2018 6:09 AM

He was a tortured soul.RIP. dont think he plan to kill his friend, just got caught up in the moment.

Such a beautiful mofo.

by Anonymousreply 288October 16, 2018 6:09 AM

R182 writes just like the psycho closeted wife Murderer in The Staircase, doesn’t he?

Remember all of those emails he wrote to his would be trick, about the marines, a dazzling porn career and university bullshit?

Sounds EXACTLY like R182.

by Anonymousreply 289October 16, 2018 6:19 AM

r216. Thank you. A person can do both. For me, it's the great hockey threads we used to have; excellent balance of insider gossip, system discussion and hockey ass. Like many things on the DL, they were sadly derailed by interlopers.

by Anonymousreply 290October 16, 2018 6:36 AM

I am in now ay speaking up for the suburban wigger Kyle, but I think he may be getting a bit of a bad edit here.

HE did not go around bragging about his relationship with Aaron--well at least not in the immediate aftermath of the suicide. It was the prison guards who spilled the beans, and likely were the pipeline to Michelle the Boston radio talk show host with the annoying accent. We had a great DLer who posted her broadcasts each day(in the original thread) and that kept us non-Bostonians right in the loop with folks up in Pats Land.

A big thanks to you sir,

Kyle was actually kind of reticent to talk in the beginning. But once it was made known that AH had requested a cell change so he and Kyle could fuck like rabbits in private, it got to the point where the media was camped outside his family's house and everyone knew the deal. I can say that I never heard he was bragging about being the fb of AH in any form in the media.

As for the watch, I totally believe that Aaron meant that for Kyle. It makes perfect sense if you know how things work in their strata of society)I'm talking the thug and faux-thug strata.) The $$$watch is a trophy of sorts and it represents more than merely a nice timepiece. If AH had a son, he might have asked that it be given to him. But I have a feeling that he was in the bloom of a hot sexual crush with Kyle, and so it was the one thing he could give him that he knew would bowl Kyle over.

I will bet the ranch that he had long ago gifted his assistant/high school bud/lover a flashy expensive watch. So, giving it to him would have been sort of redundant. Ditto for his brother.

For any of you who are genuinely interested in all the details of this soap opera, I recommend taking the time to read the thread which was contemporaneous with the suicide. I understand you asking questions and wanting to be brought up to speed, but the whole saga is far too byzantine to just throw out pat answers to your questions. Hell, I may even go back and reread it before the bro's book comes out. It was some really good shit...even for DataLounge. I thought it was so cool that DL computer savvy detectives were always one step ahead of the actual media. It was almost as though we had an insider here filling us in. Really good stuff.

This story literally has everything. It even has more than the OJ crime, which is considered the greatest media/celeb event of the past 30 years.

Sadly, because of the gay element, and stupid ass Americans fear/dislike of such, it will never be memorialized on film or the small screen in a manner to truly do justice to it. If they could do a multi episode genuine look at the whole thing as they did in the 6 episode documentary on OJ(not the TV movie with Cuba Gooding) it could be the best doc ever. The story has complication on top of complication 10 feet deep. He was gay, but he had a long time pretty gf and child. He loved and worshiped his dad, but it is looking like his father abused him physically and possibly sexually. He had beautiful penmanship, and his writing was quite eloquent, and yet he was a dedicated Blood with a taste for violence. It would appear that MANY men fell for him--hook line and sinker. I mean, can you imagine shooting a man's eye out in his youth, and the guy still loves and fantasizes about him? And the men ranged from rough hood trade to the prettiest of twinks and everything in between. Aaron did not have just one type. And these are just the ones we KNOW about. I imagine there were many broken hearts and stretched out buttholes from Bristol to Gainesville and from Boston to LA. And of course there are the sociological/medical issues which may have led to his criminality, at least partially.

I did not mean to be o long winded, but I really enjoy hearing everyone else's take on the story, so I guess I thought I would throw some personal thoughts out there and see if anything resonated with the DL crowd.

by Anonymousreply 291October 16, 2018 7:32 AM

Professional sports preys on weak minded meatheads to exploit them for their gain. As long the teams and sport organizations benefit the player can be a total asshole (he just needs a proper PR handler who gives him a more or less clean or sports appropiate PR image).

The higher ups don't give a fuck if what they push their players to do slowly kills them. There are more players waiting on the sidelines ready to take over when the current player is broken by the physical and mental abuse he had to endure.

I wouldn't be surprised if the higher ups refused to help Hernandez with his problems, because they believed that his issues made him such a great, and profitable, player in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 292October 16, 2018 7:48 AM

Both sports and the military are used by young adults to get a better education they wouldn't have access to otherwise, because they grew up "on the wrong side of the tracks".

by Anonymousreply 293October 16, 2018 7:52 AM

He had an amazing ass and especially, especially a BIG COCK, but he couldn't live forever!

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by Anonymousreply 294October 16, 2018 8:15 AM

Showtime or HBO should do a bio movie about him and show plenty of ass, cock, and guy on guy action. Tebow would probably sue though.

by Anonymousreply 295October 16, 2018 8:20 AM

And there's one of the core injustices in America, r293: non one should have to take part in a dangerous sport just to have access to a decent education. (And let's not even get into the issue that playing a lead sport (football, basketball, etc.) at a big-sports school actually prevents you from getting a proper education at that that school.)

by Anonymousreply 296October 16, 2018 9:33 AM

r296 do they want an education, or do they want to be rich and famous?

by Anonymousreply 297October 16, 2018 9:47 AM

Bingo. It is fairly accepted within the biz that 8 out of 10 NFL players do not like the game, they merely like what the game brings them.(wealth and women) Sure there are a few Tom Bradys on each team but they are the outliers.

That is also why that even with all the health scares and warnings there will always been plenty of young men who will be willing to risk their futures for what that wealth can do for their families and their own lifestyle. But bear in mind, a great percentage of these young men would have a very bleak future without sports. There is unemployment and crime galore in their world and the families are the victims of generational poverty, So, even with the fear of CET, they still are considered the Lotto winners in life.

by Anonymousreply 298October 16, 2018 9:59 AM

R291 here. I think when I wrote the word "strata" in my post it should have been "stratum." Isn't strata the plural of stratum grammar policemen?

by Anonymousreply 299October 16, 2018 11:01 AM

I hope ryan murphy gives Hernandez the oj/Versace treatment....gay!!!

by Anonymousreply 300October 16, 2018 11:29 AM

schwarzennegger's son wid da maid...

by Anonymousreply 301October 16, 2018 11:29 AM

If the movie doesn't cast a transgendered lesbian trucker in a lead role, I am going to be TRIGGERED.

by Anonymousreply 302October 16, 2018 11:32 AM

This guy needed intense regular therapy. He needed to become reprogrammed, basically. Tim Tebow didn’t have the skill set necessary to help Hernandez, nor did the NFL.

Most people in their early twenties do not have the self awareness needed to understand that their life and family dynamics, have placed them at huge risk for prison, an early death, etc. You have to be able to see that, and you have to really want to turn it around, in order to overcome that. No way is the NFL, or a team like the Pats, going to get you through that, because the bottom line is that you are there to work, and make them money. It’s like working at any big corporation in America. The only difference is that you’ll make more than many CEOs, you won’t need a legit education, and you’ll end up untold neurological issues with 10 to 15 years or retirement, or less.

Hernandez had way too much going on, in order to succeed in this situation, and for that, I am truly empathetic. He had a golden ticket, so we think, but Hernandez was doomed.

Tragedy all the way around.

by Anonymousreply 303October 16, 2018 11:37 AM

[quote]And there's one of the core injustices in America, [R293]: non one should have to take part in a dangerous sport just to have access to a decent education.

The Globe reports that Aaron's courses at the University of Florida included bowling, theater appreciation, wildlife issues and "plants, gardening and you."

by Anonymousreply 304October 16, 2018 11:43 AM

That supports the second part of my post, r304: if you attend a big-league sports college on a football scholarship, you are not going to get any academic education at all. You're on a football (or basketball, or whatever) farm that happens to be connected with the college.

And RE the first part of my post -- that it's a disgrace that poor boys have so few education options that they often end up playing a sport that's going to cripple them one way or a another just to be able to attend college -- there was an article in the NY Times about these kids just a few weeks ago.

The Kids Who Still Need Football

By the time they were in middle school, Andrew Hart and Isaiah Anthony were already thinking about college. Andrew — whose grandparents moved during the Great Migration from the South to New York City, where his parents built working-class lives in Queens — thought he might one day study engineering. Isaiah — whose mother had arrived in the United States from Guyana as a teenager, settling into Brooklyn and working at a day care center — imagined himself in business school.

Both boys knew that when it came to their futures, they had something that seemed to hold even more promise than their good grades and the praise they earned from their teachers: Isaiah and Andrew were exceptionally good football players.

In a country where the margin for error is especially thin for black and brown boys in poor and working-class communities, they and their families also had plans: First, the boys would trade their football talent for financial aid packages from local private high schools. Next would come athletic scholarships to college.

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by Anonymousreply 305October 16, 2018 12:29 PM

I just get such a profound sense of sadness from the entire Aaron Hernandez story. it is a tragedy from start to finish. His childhood must have been horrific with a monster for a father. To me he seemed like a shattered fragmented human being who kept trying to put pieces together to become a whole functioning person and he never got any of the pieces to fit. He did terrible things. It's as if he was programmed to do them, and the parts of him that were useful and profitable others benefited from, and he got his comforts and had to cope with the madness on his own. He had none of the tools he needed to get through this and the people in a position to help him did him great harm. So he ended up being a monster to the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 306October 16, 2018 1:04 PM

[quote]His childhood must have been horrific with a monster for a father.

His mother doesn't sound like much of a prize, either. But unlike many who grew up in abusive households, he was given opportunity after opportunity to escape and transform his life. He chose not to. Were his decision-making skills impaired by head injuries, drugs, internalized shame, all of the above? We'll never know. What a waste.

by Anonymousreply 307October 16, 2018 1:12 PM

R305 I am not discounting what you said in your post out of hand, but the truth is a bit different.

Having worked with the upper crust of college football players since 1986, I am well aware of their motivations for "going pro."

It is not to get a college education. The reality is this simple: they want to be rich. They want to buy mama her own home. They want to buy auntie the Mercedes she has always dreamed of and they hope to end the cycle of their family's poverty forever. Those goals would not be met by gaining a free education with an attendant degree in engineering or computer science.

Secondarily they dream of the world's finest pussy, whips, houses, vacations and parties. Again, a college degree would not bring them that sort of worldliness. In effect, they are playing a form of the lottery on a very high scale with their lives.

A few win. I can name 100 players who met and exceeded those goals listed above. I can name 500 who ended up as broke as they were when they lived in Belle Glade in a 2 1/2 room tar paper shack with mama and three brothers. I worked with ten who were dead before 35.

The NFL is responsible for creating more black millionaires than any other profession or business. The opportunity is almost limitless....but with that opportunity comes a world of hazards and pitfalls. Few of the young men are equipped to handle the pitfalls, and it is part of our job to help them negotiate the hazards and help them attain their goals as well as their dreams.

It ain't easy guys.

by Anonymousreply 308October 16, 2018 1:43 PM

R308, a lot of what you say can also be applied to the NBA, basketball players, too.

by Anonymousreply 309October 16, 2018 1:54 PM

tibow bent aaron over?

by Anonymousreply 310October 16, 2018 1:55 PM

Garrett Clayton for the role of Ryan McDonnell, for his willingness to throw that ass back for the Costa Rica raw sex scenes

by Anonymousreply 311October 16, 2018 2:05 PM

R309 Undoubtedly, but the NBA has not produced anywhere close to the number of millionaires, and we do not rep any BBA players. I was speaking from personal experience.

by Anonymousreply 312October 16, 2018 2:38 PM

NBA^^^^^

by Anonymousreply 313October 16, 2018 2:39 PM

r305 our football players are treated as demi-gods despite being terrible at football. they’re on campus for one reason, and “being denied” an education ain’t it.

by Anonymousreply 314October 16, 2018 3:25 PM

"If the movie doesn't cast a transgendered lesbian trucker in a lead role, I am going to be TRIGGERED."

But it's okay to cast a 50-year-old white guy like Aaron Eckhart, right?

by Anonymousreply 315October 16, 2018 3:28 PM

Spotlight is doing a series on Hernandez.

by Anonymousreply 316October 16, 2018 4:10 PM

They could easily pump out the porn parody before the prestige TV series/movie:

Scene 1 - Hernandez fucking Dennis SanSoucie in the high school locker room one night after practice

Scene 2 - Hernandez and Tim Tebow fooling around in their dorm one night after church

Scene 3 - Hernandez and Ryan McDonnell's romantic Costa Rica trip and fucking in a hotel room

Scene 4 - Hernandez now in jail, fucking his prison bitch Kyle in his cell

by Anonymousreply 317October 16, 2018 7:49 PM

r317 I'd watch that

by Anonymousreply 318October 16, 2018 7:53 PM

I guess his end couldn't have been THAT tight.

by Anonymousreply 319October 16, 2018 8:05 PM

Porn studios would fuck it up somehow. Probably be on Men.com with Armond Rizzo as Aaron and Johnny Rapid as Kyle.

by Anonymousreply 320October 16, 2018 8:12 PM

R308, I understand your POV, however, here’s the problem: black and minority men, as well as plenty of Caucasian men, should not view football as their only and/or best option.

Minority men, especially and specifically black men, aren’t encouraged, nor groomed and supported by their communities to go into STEM careers. How many leaders in the African community go into STEM? Why don’t we have a black Bill Gates?

You see, football isn’t the only way out of poverty for most black men. Their ability to become wealthy due to sports, is still a rare opportunity.

The glorification of football, is just that. It’s not even the most exciting, or exclusive skill set sport out there. What it is, however, is a brutal career, with major perks and cash, enshrined in this fantasy of personal success and the achievement of the American dream for the black community.

I wonder what would happen to a black community if 20 young men went to Stanford and/or MIT in order to go into STEM careers , rather than to a university entirely focused on football. I can almost guarantee you that if all went without a hitch, the community would fare better, and for a longer period of time, than having football players.

by Anonymousreply 321October 16, 2018 8:30 PM

I mentioned Aaron Eckhart because he would be the least likely to do it. I'll go with Jon Cena.

by Anonymousreply 322October 16, 2018 9:23 PM

John Cena? No.

by Anonymousreply 323October 16, 2018 11:14 PM

He was such a sexy tortured monster. RIP.

by Anonymousreply 324October 16, 2018 11:23 PM

I guess we're okay with murderers as long as they're hot

by Anonymousreply 325October 16, 2018 11:29 PM

That's how it's always been. Didn't Bundy or Dahmer get married while in prison? You should see those Chris Watts threads. Tons of thirst.

by Anonymousreply 326October 16, 2018 11:36 PM

Are you new here, R325 ???

by Anonymousreply 327October 17, 2018 12:51 AM

r321, please stop posting a novel with every response.

He was Mexican so his farts prolly smelled like enchiladas

by Anonymousreply 328October 17, 2018 1:00 AM

Hernandez was Puerto Rican and Italian.

by Anonymousreply 329October 17, 2018 1:25 AM

I know it’s not uncommon, unfortunately, but can you imagine his torment at being called a faggot all the time by his father, knowing inside that his father was right about his being gay...

by Anonymousreply 330October 17, 2018 1:30 AM

Do your casting choices have to be in their forties and fifties? Hernandez was 27 when he died.

by Anonymousreply 331October 17, 2018 2:14 AM

Miguel makes me moist

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by Anonymousreply 332October 17, 2018 2:27 AM

Miguel can be cast as Aaron’s dad.

by Anonymousreply 333October 17, 2018 2:38 AM

Part IV is up.

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by Anonymousreply 334October 17, 2018 2:40 AM

Now that the HS lover outed himself, wouldn't that mean that Ryan wasn't sexually involved with Aaron? Ryan is married to his HS sweetheart with a baby. I know it doesn't matter, look at Aaron, but I'm sure the wife isn't stupid and she asked some questions when this all came out.

by Anonymousreply 335October 17, 2018 6:13 AM

I'm guessing Kyle will be addressed in the next part. Looks like Boston Globe isn't holding anything back. They broke news about a gay lover we didn't even know about, mentioned Ryan. They didn't mention anything about their personal relaionship but that was about as close to saying they were romantically involved without saying it. "I would never bring Ry around no thugs."

Sounds like Ryan was his one true love while everyone was just a fuck. Ryan was/is the most attractive of the guys we know about.

by Anonymousreply 336October 17, 2018 8:10 AM

R395 I had to giggle because after all, Aaron was, for all practical purposes, married to HIS high school sweetheart.

So my guess is that there was likely some degree of romance, even if it wasn't a full blown rings exchanged love relationship. I mean, think how enticing it had to be to be able to hang with the top athlete in the state and one of the top 2 TE's in the country. You know how that shit matters in high school.

by Anonymousreply 337October 17, 2018 2:42 PM

Boston Globe is doing a great job with this

by Anonymousreply 338October 17, 2018 3:03 PM

The HS fuckbuddy clearly states in the podcast that he and Aaron are Bisexual and both got women. In this light the fiancée response about “being a man” or whatever with her is perfectly understandable. His gay lawyer is probably doing doing what many gays and straights do and using “gay” as shorthand or ales conflating bi with gay (trying desperately not to use the SJW overused term “erasure” here lol )

by Anonymousreply 339October 17, 2018 3:14 PM

I thought the HS lover came out as gay and that “Aaron would be proud of him?” So now he’s bi instead and Aaron is bi as well?

by Anonymousreply 340October 17, 2018 4:39 PM

[quote]They didn't mention anything about their personal relaionship but that was about as close to saying they were romantically involved without saying it. "I would never bring Ry around no thugs."

That was so sweet. I bet Shay was jealous of their relationship. Ryan was the real main bitch and I bet she couldn't stand it.

by Anonymousreply 341October 17, 2018 5:14 PM

R340 Do try to catch up dear. It's okay that you are late to the party, but do some research. Ryan and Dennis are two different friends.

by Anonymousreply 342October 17, 2018 5:16 PM

Is Bradley still in jail? This means he likes man booty too

by Anonymousreply 343October 17, 2018 5:19 PM

Hey guys, how come we see VPL in football players all the time but we never see anything in NBA players? We see some VPL in soccer players as well and they wear the same kind of shorts.

by Anonymousreply 344October 18, 2018 4:26 AM

I do believe that Ryan is his one true love. He spoke to him the most in Jail (phone calls) and Ryan was the one who visited him the most.

by Anonymousreply 345October 18, 2018 4:28 AM

So he did come out to his mother after all?

by Anonymousreply 346October 18, 2018 4:30 AM

BB players wear a cup.

by Anonymousreply 347October 18, 2018 5:05 AM

I don’t think FB players wear a cup though. Which is strange.

by Anonymousreply 348October 18, 2018 5:06 AM

They don’t. Kiko Alonso from the Miami Dolphins goes commando on the field all the time. There a pics where you can literally make out the head of his cock.

by Anonymousreply 349October 18, 2018 10:09 AM

try compression shorts, r347?

by Anonymousreply 350October 18, 2018 10:13 AM

The fifth installment is out on the Globe website.

And yes, r346, according to one of his lawyers, he did. No mention of Kyle in the article though, but it does say he spoke to Ryan all the time

by Anonymousreply 351October 18, 2018 5:53 PM

No mention of Kyle? How lame.

by Anonymousreply 352October 18, 2018 6:01 PM

When I was young, Football, soccer, baseball and hockey wore cups. Obligatory really. Basketball not. Sometime in the last 15 years pro footballers figured out they didn't need cups. Maybe the padding changed a lot. I dunno.

by Anonymousreply 353October 18, 2018 6:02 PM

Hung guys purposefully walk around nekkid to show off their junk.

by Anonymousreply 354October 18, 2018 6:04 PM

R353, they now see any kind of protection as a sign of weakness. You are supposed to wear as little padding as you can possibly get away with.

by Anonymousreply 355October 18, 2018 6:08 PM

There of HD pics of various players in Getty Images that show Hernandez, Kiko Alonso and many other NFL players freeballing on the field.

by Anonymousreply 356October 18, 2018 11:47 PM

Not just on the field.

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by Anonymousreply 357October 19, 2018 4:17 AM

Jeezus god, that is practically porno. ^^ He ain't too proud is he?

by Anonymousreply 358October 19, 2018 5:57 AM

Kiko freeballing

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by Anonymousreply 359October 19, 2018 10:17 AM

Notice the pink hue from his cheeks showing through...

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by Anonymousreply 360October 19, 2018 10:18 AM

not a surprise to anyone in the sports biz

his gay lust was legendary....tho the closet drove him to murder and suicide.

another American horror story....

by Anonymousreply 361October 19, 2018 10:35 AM

If he was still alive, I would not want Aaron Hernandez in me, quite deeply.

by Anonymousreply 362October 19, 2018 10:37 AM

The final part is up online.

by Anonymousreply 363October 19, 2018 3:20 PM

Did he get it on with other nfl guys?

by Anonymousreply 364October 19, 2018 6:41 PM

Hernandez seemed to have injured himself during a drill. As he recounted at the time, “I had a little bruise on my elbow and was whining about it. [Belichick] was just showing me the love of a father figure and he gave me a kiss on the elbow.’’

Then-Globe football writer Shalise Manza Young inquired whether Hernandez had asked Belichick to make his “boo-boo” better.

Patriots head coach Bill Belichick kisses the elbow of tight end Aaron Hernandez (81) after Hernandez appeared to injure it during a practice at the Gillette Stadium in August 2012. (Amanda Swinhart) “No, I didn’t ask him,’’ Hernandez said, smiling. “I damn sure liked it though. Felt some love.’’

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I must be an embarassingly sentimental twat but I just found that a mixture really silly and cute but also genuinely quite touching and vulnerable..for a psychotic multiple murderer anyway

by Anonymousreply 365October 20, 2018 2:38 PM

So no mention of his bjs with Tebow?

by Anonymousreply 366October 20, 2018 2:46 PM

Not yet..but here he is slurping cock

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by Anonymousreply 367October 20, 2018 2:55 PM

So is the story that he was molested by his mother?

by Anonymousreply 368October 20, 2018 3:36 PM

Rob Gronkowski refuses to talk about Aaron Hernandez

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by Anonymousreply 369October 20, 2018 3:55 PM

Why was his hairline so low??

by Anonymousreply 370October 20, 2018 3:59 PM

Such a sad story....Ryan Murphy is a fool if he doesn't make this into a mini series. I mean, I feel for the guy who was murdered and his family...but you can't help but feel for Hernandez.....he was so troubled and clearly not mentally sane with everything that happened to him. Sad

by Anonymousreply 371October 20, 2018 4:06 PM

He even ate chicken sexily.

by Anonymousreply 372October 20, 2018 4:09 PM

Them fuckin dimples

by Anonymousreply 373October 20, 2018 4:21 PM

PBS NewsHour interviews Globe investigative reporter Bob Hohler

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by Anonymousreply 374October 20, 2018 5:23 PM

I say this without cynicism: if Ryan Murphy or any other producer were to make a very generous donation to the family of Odin Lloyd, I imagine that would ease the pain somewhat. They were quite poor as I recall, and I don't imagine they have received any funds from the AH estate. I have not heard of a civil suit, have any of you?

I am not surprised that Gronk chooses to avoid all talk of AH. Remember, they played the same position. I bet there wasn't a great deal of love lost between the two when they were teammates.

by Anonymousreply 375October 20, 2018 5:32 PM

So he loved being in jail and even waxed poetically about it over the phone and didn’t miss freedom at all (nor his wife; just his kid)

>The volatile pro footballer, who played three seasons with the Pats before being dropped from the team following his arrest on murder charges, told McDonnell that he didn’t pine for his old life, just his daughter.

>“I don’t miss football. I miss one thing,” Hernandez said.

>“Being free,” McDonnell replied.

>“Freedom — that’s not what I miss. It was the same thing I missed when I was on the streets,” Hernandez said, without elaborating.

Interesting. Maybe ALL his basic needs were met in jail. Or maybe not:

>Hernandez — whose sexuality became a public spectacle during his double-murder trial in March 2017 — also couldn’t tamp down his hatred for a gay inmate. He wanted to punch him.

>“There’s this [expletive] f—-t that walks around too, puts butter on his lips for lipstick. It’s ridiculous,’’ he told a friend in a phone call. “Walks around so flamboyant, like ‘Oh my God,’ crazy …”

Was he a fellow DLer in being disgusted by effeminates?

by Anonymousreply 376October 20, 2018 7:17 PM

R368, no, where did you get that?

by Anonymousreply 377October 20, 2018 8:16 PM

Fuck, that Gronk is a sexy lug.

by Anonymousreply 378October 20, 2018 8:20 PM

R376 he was tremendous

by Anonymousreply 379October 20, 2018 8:21 PM

[quote]Was he a fellow DLer in being disgusted by effeminates?

Of course. His whole thug persona was crafted in response to his father's denigration of homosexuals as weak and pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 380October 20, 2018 10:06 PM

I don’t know if I’d say that, R380. It’s not like this dude was on a path to being a Rhodes scholar. He would’ve been a thug regardless. The gangster life was attractive to him.

by Anonymousreply 381October 20, 2018 10:10 PM

[quote]It’s not like this dude was on a path to being a Rhodes scholar. He would’ve been a thug regardless. The gangster life was attractive to him.

r381, with all due respect, there are a lot of mediums between Rhodes scholar and murderous thug. You have to have some mental trauma and illness to do the things that he did. He was mean. He beat the shit out of guys in prison that even tried to talk to him.

by Anonymousreply 382October 20, 2018 11:18 PM

Wait what did he miss in jail?

by Anonymousreply 383October 21, 2018 12:44 AM

Hernandez VPL

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by Anonymousreply 384October 21, 2018 1:05 AM

R383 only missed his daughter. Lets hope Ryan wasn’t in fact his BF coz hearing that has gotta hurt

by Anonymousreply 385October 21, 2018 1:44 AM

Or maybe he was telling Ryan that it was [italic]him[/italic] who he was missing: [italic]"If we can't be together I might as well be in here."[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 386October 21, 2018 2:00 AM

[QUOTE]You have to have some mental trauma and illness to do the things that he did. He was mean. He beat the shit out of guys in prison that even tried to talk to him.

Or you could just be an asshole. Lots of guys out there like beating people up for fun.

by Anonymousreply 387October 21, 2018 2:22 AM

[quote]Did he get it on with other nfl guys?

He probably did, but since they're closet cases they won't talk.

by Anonymousreply 388October 21, 2018 2:33 AM

imagine all the hot college and high school ass old aaron ate out.....

hungry dog.

by Anonymousreply 389October 21, 2018 4:58 AM

It’s possible that he was so paranoid that he’d been with very few guys for the sake of limiting exposure. That would help explain why he was so angry—I was also a closeted jock top and know how tormenting it can be to purposely avoid gay/bi guys because you don’t want to reveal your same-sex attraction. The more guys you fuck, the more people who know your secret.

by Anonymousreply 390October 21, 2018 5:11 AM

🧐

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by Anonymousreply 391October 21, 2018 6:13 AM

I don’t think he was necessarily homophobic. I just think he was only into solidally masculine men and had no time for or connection to effeminate gays and their culture — because why would he? It’s not a culture designed for or catering to guys like him. Quite the opposite. Yet he’d be publically corralled into that fuckery just because he likes penis. And as “problematic” and “self-hating” for not capitulating to its precepts and received opinions. He had no role models: People like him still don’t. They’re simultaneously fetishised, derided and demonised by effeminate a queer hegemonic discourse that squats over the whole gay “culture”. and brooks no dissent. No wonder masculine don’t wanna come out, and have an aversion to 🌈 QuEeR ™️🏳️‍🌈 culture. Im in no way excusing this particular individuals abhorrent acts (caused by or abetted by severer brain damage) but the demise of someone like Aaron Hernandez was significant and devastating loss in more ways than just the a loss of this one individual

by Anonymousreply 392October 21, 2018 10:09 AM

R390 Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I said some 100+ comments ago. I knew that there are some, even if not a hell of a lot, athletic sports fans here at DL. That dude who kept excoriating me for discussing anything which wasn't directly penis related about athletes kept stating that DLers only care about skating and tennis.

Pretty closed minded and stereotypical if you ask me. This is not 1975. Gay men go to sports bars and bet on fantasy teams just like anyone else.

He may not see it in his own circle, but I see it plenty.

by Anonymousreply 393October 21, 2018 12:55 PM

I can see big old muscle man aaron legs high in air getting fukd by some skinny guy with big dik way up in him....

by Anonymousreply 394October 21, 2018 1:08 PM

Damn, I wonder what Aaron spoke to his teammates about? Gay sex was mentioned...I wonder what he told his teammates!

by Anonymousreply 395October 21, 2018 6:36 PM

I did not have sex with this man!

by Anonymousreply 396October 21, 2018 7:22 PM

No one with that many tattoos is sane. Cry for help but everyone made excuses for him

by Anonymousreply 397October 21, 2018 8:21 PM

I wanna know was the boyish smiley charm genuine or put on? Surely he can’t have been THAT good an actor? Can a cold hearted sociopath really be so convincingly warm and charismatic ?

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by Anonymousreply 398October 21, 2018 8:37 PM

He comes across as a douche on camera.

by Anonymousreply 399October 22, 2018 2:12 AM

To be fair, i would want to punch a queen wearing peanut butter for lipstick too, who wouldn't?

by Anonymousreply 400October 22, 2018 3:28 AM

Another tone deaf wooly-headed SJW-tranny-fuelled uber obsession with sacred IdEnTItY (a distinction without a difference here; is MSM better?) BS articles from Outsports about Aaron being gay or bi being sooo ProBleMAtic

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by Anonymousreply 401October 22, 2018 2:44 PM

About Aaron being labelled gay or bi being so problemat*

Seriously, “identity” is unverifiable unscientific bunk depending more on strength of conviction or wishful thinking than anything concrete. Rachel Dolezal identified as Black. Stefonknee identifies as a six year old girl. Numerous people identify as actual Jesus Christ and would pass a lie detector test too due to the strength of conviction of their delusion. We need to untiring the tyranny of identity

by Anonymousreply 402October 22, 2018 2:52 PM

I don’t want to sign up for outsports but Christ that writer is an idiot and should be called out for his bullshit. At least one of Hernandez’s attorneys disclosed that Aaron discussed his struggle with being gay.

by Anonymousreply 403October 22, 2018 2:54 PM

We need to UNTHRONE* the tyranny of identity

by Anonymousreply 404October 22, 2018 2:54 PM

Outsports is shying away from the Hernandez story, because they don't want a murderer to be on our team. I think they realize that homophobes can use this against us - "Look, all gays are evil murderers!"

That said, it's another thing to completely ignore reality.

by Anonymousreply 405October 22, 2018 3:45 PM

He may or may not have PUBLICALLY “identified” as a Gay, Homosexual or Bisexual but he was bisexual (verb) and engaged in homosexuality (verb). He wasn’t a Heterosexual (noun) regardless of how he identified to the world or internally. Fuck this identity politics nonsense

by Anonymousreply 406October 22, 2018 3:54 PM

This is the nearest we’ll get to imagining what it might’ve been like...

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by Anonymousreply 407October 22, 2018 6:10 PM

Big bro was hot too

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by Anonymousreply 408October 22, 2018 6:11 PM

His book about AH is coming out soon.

by Anonymousreply 409October 22, 2018 6:43 PM

I wonder if DJ/Jonathan will be doing TV appearances to promote the book.

by Anonymousreply 410October 22, 2018 7:05 PM

R375 this I know first-hand: Gronk and Aaron used to go clubbing together at the beginning--until Gronk, like other teammates, began to get an idea of what he was like and the trash he hung around with outside of football.

After that, no more socializing. Gronk, goofy as he seems, is a serious athlete and marketer of his brand.

by Anonymousreply 411October 23, 2018 12:46 AM

Gronk is just a suburban pussy. He was scared of Aaron and his goons from the hood.

by Anonymousreply 412October 23, 2018 2:34 AM

😂Duckboat obsession and Harry Potter. This guy is like the cartoon cliche. of a lumbering dumb jock. She clearly was the brains of the outfit...it’s hard to believe she wasn’t aware of EVERYTHING even things Aaron thought he had kept from her

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by Anonymousreply 414October 23, 2018 10:12 PM

R406 oh dear, you don't know English word forms.

by Anonymousreply 415October 23, 2018 10:13 PM

Or could Dennis from high school count as a “mutual friend”

by Anonymousreply 416October 23, 2018 10:17 PM

R415 pls explainificate

by Anonymousreply 417October 23, 2018 10:19 PM

Can we get a proper link to R414’s article?

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by Anonymousreply 419October 23, 2018 10:48 PM

Try this one...

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by Anonymousreply 420October 23, 2018 10:48 PM

Fucking Daily Mail. You just have to disable link previews to read it.

by Anonymousreply 421October 23, 2018 10:49 PM

link seems is be fucked up

by Anonymousreply 422October 23, 2018 10:49 PM

It’s a fucking horrible message to put out and plays into the hands of every anti-gay bigot. Thanks Aaron

by Anonymousreply 423October 23, 2018 10:52 PM

No-one said he was bright.

by Anonymousreply 424October 23, 2018 10:53 PM

r411 are you fucking kidding me? Do you know how many name athletes hang around thugs and/or 'shady' types? Some of them even have them as part of their entourage. Hernandez might have been in deeper than most, but it's not rare. Point being, Gronk would not have been shocked or put off by this necessarily, and that kind of partying is kept under wraps by teams all the time. He allegedly wasn't the only one, and not just in football.

Everyone will try to distance themselves from him now, especially with the gay angle. It's like nobody in American political/diplomatic circles knew the Bin Ladens after W put them on a plane on 9/11. Please.

by Anonymousreply 425October 24, 2018 2:39 AM

I'm listening to the Boston Globe/Wonderly podcast on this, Gladiator, which is entertaining. But every time I see the name of the podcast, I can't help but think of this:

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by Anonymousreply 426October 24, 2018 5:27 AM

And then, this:

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by Anonymousreply 427October 24, 2018 5:27 AM

aaron had more milk up his pussy than the local supermarket.....

by Anonymousreply 428October 24, 2018 11:25 AM

R428 what? Everyone here assumes he was a top

by Anonymousreply 429October 24, 2018 11:36 AM

It’s weird how everyone is automatically sorted into top or bottom (which is weirdly presumptuous in itself) yet no one is ever assumed to be a “side” (not sexually turned on by anal in any way)

by Anonymousreply 430October 24, 2018 1:23 PM

This thread is one of the most amazing in a looooooooong time. I would KILL to know if he and Tebow fucked around.

by Anonymousreply 431October 24, 2018 3:10 PM

We really have no way of knowing that, r431. Hernandez is dead, Tebow probably would never discuss anything related to Hernandez. Who else would know what might have happened in their dorm room?

by Anonymousreply 432October 24, 2018 6:08 PM

R430 = bottom

by Anonymousreply 433October 24, 2018 6:14 PM

r432 football players? in dorm rooms? i thought they got NCAA-fronted luxury apartments, pre-furnished from Ikea.

by Anonymousreply 434October 24, 2018 9:54 PM

R425 I said I knew this first-hand, yet you fucking argue about it

One more example of why no one posts what they know on DL anymore

by Anonymousreply 435October 25, 2018 10:10 PM

[quote]I would KILL to know if he and Tebow fucked around.

That doesn't turn me on at all, probably because I just find Tebow sexless. Aaron fucking Ryan sounds hot as hell tho

by Anonymousreply 436October 26, 2018 3:04 AM

I would kill to know not because I am attracted to Tebow, I meant that strictly as a gossip whore.

by Anonymousreply 437October 26, 2018 4:46 AM

Is Tebow even his type? Hernandez appeared to like shorter guys.

by Anonymousreply 438October 26, 2018 7:11 AM

Y'all dusty old antiques lusting over a demented murderer are sick

by Anonymousreply 439October 26, 2018 7:49 AM

r435 no offense, & I appreciate the gossip. I just meant that depending on the source, even Gronk himself, it might not be entirely accurate. If he is serious about his brand, he's not above shading the truth to put him in a better light. It might have been one incident that put them off, rather than the concept of celebrity thug slumming.

OTOH, a team in another sport allegedly took harsh measures with one of their players when he got in with them.

by Anonymousreply 440October 26, 2018 8:01 AM

Only a sloppy bottom would be so dam paranoid...that folks find out he a cum dump

by Anonymousreply 441October 26, 2018 10:15 AM

I was molested as a kid and I dint turn into some dam druggie jock killer ...

by Anonymousreply 442October 26, 2018 3:03 PM

Remember this?

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by Anonymousreply 443October 26, 2018 4:20 PM

“Aaron Hernandez was sexually abused by teenage bully when he was just six years old, his brother claims in a shocking new tell-all book”

According to google preview of radaronline. Can’t link because site seems to be blocked from my EU country

by Anonymousreply 444October 29, 2018 11:01 AM

Gay Secret: Aaron Hernandez Revealed ‘True Love’ To Mom Before Death, Brother Claims

Star wanted to leave the NFL to start a new life with man, Jonathan says in tell-all

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by Anonymousreply 445October 29, 2018 11:14 AM

Wasn't his brain basically mash at the end? He might have known that his career and life was over so he tried to cash in and leave, but circumstances fucked things up for him and his actions led him to prison.

by Anonymousreply 446October 29, 2018 11:54 AM

Wow, at R445. That's quite a bombshell.

I wonder how his mother reacted? I'll bet it wasn't in a good way, because she doesn't seem the nurturing type.

by Anonymousreply 447October 29, 2018 3:12 PM

Shayana Jenkins must be fuming up a storm. I bet she'll keep Aaron's brother and mom from seeing the little girl.

by Anonymousreply 448October 29, 2018 3:22 PM

Shayana is still getting paid and probably hopped on a new dick by now. She couldn’t care less about Aaron’s sexuality at this point.

by Anonymousreply 449October 29, 2018 3:27 PM

Ms Jenkins almost immediately moved on* and has popped out another bastard by another sports thug (boxer iirc)

*emotionally moved on. Financially and publicity-wise she’ll be milking this cow for decades to come

by Anonymousreply 450October 29, 2018 3:34 PM

Women who find out their husbands are gay move on asap. Happened to my sister she had a new man within a month.

by Anonymousreply 451October 29, 2018 3:37 PM

Good one r71 you are probably right. Murphy is living in NYC now and wants to do more of his work on that end of the country so that is probably one of the top stories on his list.

by Anonymousreply 452October 29, 2018 3:38 PM

Wow r93 good point. I had forgotten that Yeezy did have a pretty catastrophic injury from that car accident. Wonder how much of his crazy is due to that because he was not always like he is now and most severe forms of mental illness show signs early in life, like before age 30.

by Anonymousreply 453October 29, 2018 3:46 PM

What man was he going to start a new life with?

by Anonymousreply 454October 29, 2018 3:52 PM

White boy Ryan, the love of his life.

by Anonymousreply 455October 29, 2018 3:54 PM

This guy, R454.

Ryan McDonnell, who was his "personal assistant" for years.

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by Anonymousreply 457October 29, 2018 4:01 PM

R449, Shayanna is over this. She had a baby earlier this year; the father is a nonfamous football player.

by Anonymousreply 458October 29, 2018 4:02 PM

And yes, Ryan and Aaron even knew each other as teens.

Here they are together in a high school graduation photo.

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by Anonymousreply 459October 29, 2018 4:02 PM

So then, what was the deal with Kyle Kennedy?

Did Aaron just forget about Ryan while he was in prison?

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by Anonymousreply 460October 29, 2018 4:05 PM

Aaron probably used Kyle to imagine he was Ryan while staring at the back of his head.

by Anonymousreply 461October 29, 2018 4:07 PM

The picture at R459 is fascinating. Aaron and Ryan are the two guys in the middle.

If you really think about it, why would this huge, hulking football jock be such close friends with this tiny and scrawny little twink? That almost never happens in high school.

Aaron must have really taken a liking to Ryan, even way back then. And to think that they remained close, even during his NFL years, is pretty amazing.

They are literally high school sweethearts.

by Anonymousreply 462October 29, 2018 4:23 PM

Isn’t Ryan the one who visited him the most when he was in jail?

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by Anonymousreply 464October 29, 2018 4:49 PM

I think Garrett Clayton should play Ryan in the movie. There should be several steamy sex scenes between him and the guy playing Aaron, and I need Clayton’s ass for the cameras.

by Anonymousreply 465October 29, 2018 4:59 PM

yes, Ryan was his one true love.

by Anonymousreply 466October 29, 2018 5:01 PM

Very surprising. Can't wait to see the movie!

by Anonymousreply 467October 29, 2018 5:16 PM

I can’t stop ejaculating to this thread. Fuck me, this is hot stuff.

by Anonymousreply 468October 29, 2018 5:20 PM

Anyone knows what Ryan does today for a living?

by Anonymousreply 469October 29, 2018 5:31 PM

I will be criticized for saying this, because it seems any attempt to humanize Aaron is met with derision by those who just want to shout, "MURDERER!!" But I will say it anyway. The fact that the biggest most macho football player in the state of Connecticut that year chose such a sweet looking anti=jock type as his first real love tells me that there absolutely was a very soft and sensitive side to AH. I got a sense of that from some of his writing as well.

It seems to me that nearly all the bad things which happened were in some way related to his shame about being gay and his fear about being discovered. The shooting of the two men from Cape Verde was supposedly because they were slamming him for being gay in that club in Boston. Then the subsequent killing of Odin Lloyd was because he feared that Lloyd would turn on him of questioned about those two men he shot.

I do understand that he had some unsavory fights in Florida, and I have no idea whether they were related to his homosexuality. So I am not excusing his inability to control his actions and think rationally on his internalized shame. He likely had a bit of the "bad seed" element from birth. But all in all, had he not been a big star with too much of a spotlight on his private life, I think he likely would have gone on to live a non-violent life as a gay man.

Oh, and as far as I am concerned, the jury is in and it is settled. Ryan was his true love. Shyanna and Kyle and all the others were distractions. I think he did have some love for Shyanna, but it was not romantic love.

As for Tim Tebow. No. TT was like a god in the state of Fl at that time. He was not just another team mate. Not even close. I doubt seriously that AH would open up to him about his personal life, well at least to that extent. Even Tebow's coach(Urban Meyer) was said to have great reverence for TT.

by Anonymousreply 470October 29, 2018 5:38 PM

r469

Married and had a kid recently. No social media that any of us know of. He's probably shook right now, he's likely closeted as well and probably didn't think anyone knew about him and Aaron. But turns our Aaron wasn't as deep in the closet as thought and was telling everyone.

I hope the actors in his movie really get into the costa rica scene.

by Anonymousreply 471October 29, 2018 5:42 PM

Aaron Hernandez Opens a New Window. was sexually abused by teenage bully when he was just six years old, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

The Former New England Patriots star, who famously committed suicide Opens a New Window. in his prison cell on April 19, 2017, was forced to perform sex acts on an older boy at his babysitter’s house, his brother Jonathan claims in a new tell-all book.

In The Truth About Aaron, Jonathan writes about how he remembered the incident: “This boy, who was in high school, frightened us. He was a bully and his brother scared us with knives that he flashed at us.”

He then described how the boy had forced Aaron into a tent during a game of hide and seek, and how his brother would not talk about it afterward.

In 2017, a few months before he hung himself with a bed sheet, Aaron confided to his mother, Terri.

Jonathan wrote: “He told her how the older boy would force him to perform oral sex. Aaron said it started when he was six years old and continued for several years.”

Jonathan details in the book Opens a New Window. how his brother struggled with his sexual identity and to come to terms with his preference for men.

He eventually confided in his mother but asked her to keep his secret.

When Jonathan asked Aaron if he were gay, he lashed out and demanded he never ask him that again or he’d kill him.

Aaron also confided to lawyer George Leontire while he was behind bars, saying he felt the abuse Opens a New Window. was a factor in his being gay.

Speaking on a podcast, he said: “Hernandez seemed to think the sexual abuse had made him gay.”

As Radar readers know, Aaron was found guilty of first-degree murder in the 2013 killing of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd Opens a New Window. . He was sentenced to life in prison without parole, but only served two years before he took his own life behind bars.

by Anonymousreply 472October 29, 2018 5:45 PM

The biggest plot twist out of all of this would be if we found out that Aaron was a bottom. its trending that way

sucking of your older male babysitter? Thats bottom behaviour

by Anonymousreply 473October 29, 2018 5:54 PM

I think Tim Tebow definitely knew Aaron was gay. Aaron was not good at hiding in the closet. People at the Boston club, the guy who was murdered was gonna spill as well. Aaron spoke about gay sex in the locker room and like walking around naked.

Damn, imagine him walking around naked while he was roommates with Tim in college?

by Anonymousreply 474October 29, 2018 5:55 PM

Interesting comments on the youtube video of Ryan at Aaron's trial On the subject of Aaron and Ryan being lovers some guy posts:

"this is true. I have Ryan's number he's going to write a tell all" "Ryan was recently married and was engaged during this whole process. Ryan was the one Aaron sent money to before he went to jail as well as shayanna and avielle. Ryan was suppose to use some of the money as hush money for a character witness I think her name started with an L but he kept the money afraid he would be prosecuted if he gave the lady money"

With Ryan's name now popping up on the Boston Globe report, I actually beileve he would write a tell all book.

So we had Aaron's lawyer write a book about him, his brother. His prison lover was allegedly writing one and maybe Ryan's book. And if Dennis is smart he'll get in on the action and write one as well

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by Anonymousreply 475October 29, 2018 6:00 PM

I would pay to see this movie.

by Anonymousreply 476October 29, 2018 6:12 PM

Thinking that Aaron would have lived some happy butterflies and rainbows existence as an out gay man if no for his football career is insane. Even if he wasn’t famous, he was still in a treacherous gang. He lived that life, and it was obviously more important to him than even his own career.

by Anonymousreply 477October 29, 2018 6:33 PM

I am still a bit confused about why he stayed with the gang when he made it big? Did they blackmail him to reveal his dirty secrets (drug dealing, assault, murder?) if he leaves them? If so wouldn't it made more sense for him to get rid of them instead of staying? And how was that criminal gang ok with Aaron's relationship with Ryan, an outsider?

by Anonymousreply 478October 29, 2018 6:41 PM

Preach r477. These people are fucking crazy. Aaron was never “coming out” (alive). Literally. People are forgetting his prison homophobia — he was still in that mindset.

by Anonymousreply 479October 29, 2018 6:44 PM

Ryan is as deeply closeted as Aaron was. He’s not writing some tell-all detailing the many nights Aaron lubed up his young twink hole and pounded his white boy ass after sneaking in through Ryan’s bedroom window once football practice was over and Aaron had to unleash his pent up Latin sexual energy that built from seeing his football jock buddies naked and soapy in the locker room showers. The brother won’t even identify him by name, so why would he feel compelled to come out?

by Anonymousreply 480October 29, 2018 6:47 PM

R480, I am not sure what you are inferring. Please continue describing of Aaron's need to plow his friend. Please continue and don't leave out anything! Oh, and were there condoms used? TIA!

by Anonymousreply 481October 29, 2018 7:03 PM

As some writer wrote, it was so sad that he went to the Pats, back to his hometown, where all the bad influences were. If he had gone to the west coast, his story would have ended a different way.

And from reading countless articles, he was a "follower". So I don't think he would have been able to get away from the gang. And I believe the gang doesn't allow gay members, pretty sure they would have killed him for lying and "playing" them for so many years.

by Anonymousreply 482October 29, 2018 7:21 PM

His bf was his "personal assistant"?! Shades of Aaron Rodgers......

by Anonymousreply 483October 29, 2018 7:34 PM

Yes R483, he hired Ryan to be his personal assistant when he began to play for the Pats. He had moved back to his hometown area and re-connected with Ryan.

Which makes me wonder who Aaron was fucking while in FL....surely he fooled around with at least a few guys.

by Anonymousreply 484October 29, 2018 7:46 PM

I'm pretty sure Tebow handled the 8 inch anaconda.

by Anonymousreply 485October 29, 2018 7:49 PM

R484 He probably fucked Tebow.

by Anonymousreply 486October 29, 2018 7:49 PM

What confuses me about this, is Ryan getting married and having a kid.

I don't think that a quote/unquote gay person would do this.

It almost makes me wonder if he was only with Aaron, because Aaron wanted it, and not Ryan?

Could it be that Ryan just liked having the affection of the "big jock" in high school, as well as being his friend? He could then hang with the "popular" crowd.

And then after Aaron made it big in the NFL, Ryan got to enjoy the perks of being friends/lovers with a huge celebrity football player.

I know it sounds far fetched, but maybe Ryan is really straight, but gay for "benefits." And Aaron was the gay guy, pursuing the straight guy Ryan.

This story could be much more complicated than it seems on the surface. And I don't think that anybody will ever know the truth.

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by Anonymousreply 487October 29, 2018 7:55 PM

Ryan has a face that can easily be perceived as "gay face".

by Anonymousreply 488October 29, 2018 9:07 PM

This whole story is a total mind-bender.

by Anonymousreply 489October 29, 2018 10:23 PM

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by Anonymousreply 490October 29, 2018 11:31 PM

Hernandez developed a close friendship in middle school with Ryan McDonnell, and when they became adults Hernandez treated him more differently than most of his other Bristol friends. He shielded McDonnell from his criminal activity, his “thugging,’’ as Hernandez called it. He is very close to McDonnell’s family, especially his father, Tom McDonnell.

Ryan McDonnell is going from Connecticut to visit Hernandez in California. Ryan’s father expresses concern.

Tom McDonnell to Hernandez: “Hey I know that Ry is coming out I just want to tell you boys to be smart and safe no thugging around and I love u both.’’

Hernandez: “I never thug when I’m with ry lol and I will always take care of ur boy.’’

Hernandez offers to pay for a California vacation for Ryan McDonnell’s parents. Ryan’s father is grateful but suspects Hernandez is making the gesture to please Ryan and has told Hernandez he doesn’t want him to feel obligated.

Hernandez to Tom McDonnell: “I swear in my father’s grave and my love for everyone I love I asked u because it was on my mind and cuz I love y all!!! I did jus get off phone wit ry and told him I asked to see what he thought and he seemed happy I asked and said u would love it!!! It came from my heart and hope u truly do come cuz it would mean a lot to me cuz I love u guys and will feel good to show u guys a good time.’’

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by Anonymousreply 491October 30, 2018 4:02 AM

These are very weird people.

Who abused Aaron. Does anyone flat out say? His father? Mother? Family member?

by Anonymousreply 492October 30, 2018 4:19 AM

Aaron Hernandez exchanged thousands of text messages from March 28 to June 9, 2013, while he was concealing his role in the murders of two men in Boston’s South End and the attempted homicide of a friend, Alexander Bradley, who was with him during that double killing.

The texts show just how much Hernandez was spinning out of control. Fearful that he and his family were in danger, he had asked Patriots coach Bill Belichick just weeks earlier if he could be traded to a West Coast team, but that was rejected, according to his agent. Belichick asked a staffer to help Hernandez find a new place to live.

Even as he confronts a vengeful nemesis in Bradley, Hernandez projects an upbeat attitude with teammates, friends and family.

by Anonymousreply 493October 30, 2018 4:44 AM

March 26

Hernandez needs surgery to repair a shoulder he injured in a game. The procedure, scheduled for the next day, will be performed by a surgeon who had operated on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s knee.

Tom Brady to Hernandez: “Good luck! I hope everything goes well...love you my brother and hope to see you soon.’’

March 27

Hernandez to Brady: “Thanks and went well. Now time to recover and get back to wat we all do best! Love ya and was excited to throw wit u all off season but [expletive] happens and I will be ready. Tell the family I said hi and I’m sure I’ll see ya soon.’’

Brady’s personal trainer, Alex Guerrero, is managing Hernandez’s rehab.

Hernandez to Guerrero: “If u ain’t leave yet u could jus come tomorrow cuz I’m dozin but if u r on u r way u cud come! these pills make me sick to my stomach.’’

Guerrero: “I will see you tomorrow night. You need to eat when you take the meds.’’

Hernandez’s uncle, Vito Hernandez, checks in from their hometown of Bristol, Conn.

Vito to Aaron: “When you coming home so i can see the family we keep missing each other luv ya.’’

Aaron to Vito: “Haven’t been home in forever an won’t be till prolly season but love u n will let u kno when I get there.’’

by Anonymousreply 494October 30, 2018 4:46 AM

March 2

Bradley — his friend he had allegedly tried to kill — unleashes the opening volley in a text war that will rage for months. Bradley accuses Hernandez of shooting him in the face and leaving him for dead in Florida. Hernandez identifies Bradley in his contacts list as “Lies.’’

Bradley to Hernandez: “Yo the crazy part about all this is u did that [expletive] for no reason n me being the real friend i was to u i didn’t try to ruin u even after u tried to kill me think about how real that is so i was the real friend at the end of the day n the tears should be in my eyes after the way u betrayed me.’’

Hernandez: “I love u and u r not gonna frame me for some bread...Always will love u cuz u were my brother n u kno that but hope the best for u.’’

Bradley: “I would never try to frame u u left me with one eye and a lot of head trauma u owe for what u did n its too bad u don’t know me enuff to know that this convo is private between us this ain’t for no lawyer or cop to see we both know what happened the truth is the truth…u too paranoid that’s what made u do this shit u did.’’

Hernandez: “I will always be there for u till the day u die but not in the state of mind ur in nd been in and I don’t kno wat gotten into u after all the yrs we were inseparable but everything aside ur always on my mind and I love u and always will no homo.’’

Bradley: “Whats crazy is i believe that part is true u prolly do think about how real of a [N-word] i am n how u even flipped on me but what sickens me is the fact that u r denying this [expletive] like its for the lawyer or cops you must really not know me but i guess i didn’t know u either cause i woulda never thought ud try to end me.’’

by Anonymousreply 495October 30, 2018 4:47 AM

April 1

Hernandez’s former University of Florida quarterback Tim Tebow sends a lighthearted message about Hernandez’s surgery. The term he uses loosely translates to “such is life.’’

Tebow to Hernandez: “2 tears in a bucket.’’

Hernandez to Tebow: “Suck it.’’ (((((((so hot!)))))))))

by Anonymousreply 496October 30, 2018 4:48 AM

"Who abused Aaron. Does anyone flat out say? His father? Mother? Family member?"

Read r472

by Anonymousreply 497October 30, 2018 4:51 AM

LMAO at Tebow's pastor reading that tweet

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by Anonymousreply 498October 30, 2018 4:57 AM

[QUOTE]Hernandez: “I never thug when I’m with ry lol and I will always take care of ur boy.’’

Yeah he took real good care of RyRy.

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by Anonymousreply 499October 30, 2018 5:11 AM

Source: Spotlight obtained these texts through public records requests of court and law enforcement files. The texts were extracted from Hernandez’s Blackberry by the US Bureau of Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

Aaron used a BLACKBERRY! good choice!

by Anonymousreply 500October 30, 2018 5:16 AM

Thanks so much for posting the texts and all the book stuff. Now I am more confused than ever(as to the motives for AH's actions)

That ninja Bradley really loved Aaron. I remember him on the stand practically doing a Romeo and Juliet type soliloquy declaring his undying love to AH. And this from a man who lost an eye to Aaron's Glock.

I actually believe that AH was able to compartmentalize his life as he described. I can see him keeping all the thugging away from Ryan who he viewed as his special prince. I had a similar relationship with a tough thug many years ago. While my mother was convinced he was going to rape and defile me(I was 18, but she was a smothering mother) he was actually the only dude who DIDN'T practically rape me on our first date. My guess is that he treated Ryan and his family as though they were his dream ideal of a family he wished he were in. I must say I am impressed as fuck that Ryan's dad was in no way interested in the ballin' lifestyle (free trips in glamorous hotels etc) The Mc Donnells were clearly from a different economic stratum than the Hernandez family. Not that one couldn't tell that from Ryan's over all look.

I am somewhat piqued by the theory up thread which questions whether or not Ryan is actually gay gay. I remember when describing the relationship to his big brother he said that most of the time they would just hang out and cuddle.

I am not a gay man, but judging from what I read here, if any of you had access to Aaron's ass and or dick 24/7, I doubt there would have been much time for cuddling. JK, but still, I think that the love from Ryan's perspective may have been more traditional(brotherly) and less sexual(lover-ly.) But of course he was capable of showing his affection is a physical way when Aaron needed it.

I am back to thinking that Aaron was likely a top...or at least versa. I can't wait to see the Dr Oz interview with his bro, I loathe Oz with everything holy, but I am willing to tolerate him for an hour in this special case.

by Anonymousreply 501October 30, 2018 7:23 AM

By the way, it wasn't my intent to imply that there would not be cuddling in my post above^, what I meant was there would be plenty of sex before the cuddling.

by Anonymousreply 502October 30, 2018 10:01 AM

Likely a combo, R453. Bipolar and TBI and drugs and lack of structure/boundaries in his life possibly exacerbating both. They keep popping out kids like bipolar does not have a strong genetic component.

by Anonymousreply 503October 30, 2018 11:16 AM

Not sure of his position, but it’s pretty clear he was a MURDERER.

by Anonymousreply 504October 30, 2018 12:15 PM

Am I crazy or does the conversation between Aaron and Ryan's dad come off like he asked the dad for his son's hand in marriage?

by Anonymousreply 505October 30, 2018 12:22 PM

The dad sounds like he would’ve given the OK, too.

by Anonymousreply 506October 30, 2018 3:01 PM

“Marry me, RyRy.”

“Aaron, I love you bro.”

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by Anonymousreply 507October 30, 2018 3:12 PM

Gladiator podcast is really good. It adds much more colour and a little bit more depth and context over and above the written article.its

by Anonymousreply 508October 30, 2018 3:14 PM

I agree r505. The conversation had that tone.

I think Ryan and Alex Bradley were the two guys that Aaron was closest to. Aaron was so compartmentalized. Aaron loved Ryan and put him on a pedestal, like a wife. But his relationship with Bradley was much more complicated. Bradley was the one he felt comfortable enough to unload all his dark issues on. You can tell Bradley loved Aaron, if not like a lover then a brother. Even after Aaron tried to kill him, he still didn't out him (which is what I think Bradley means by "ruin" in their texts)

by Anonymousreply 509October 30, 2018 3:17 PM

Hernandez was a closeted young man whose childhood marred his future. It is obvious that he had a huge heart and was a loving human being, who was so atrophied by homophobia, it pivoted him toward seeking acceptance in a gang. Unfortunately, the professional opportunities afforded to him were not great enough to overcome what was so deeply ingrained in Aaron: self hatred.

Aaron’s behavior before and after the murder, show us that he was not very bright. I do not say this in a disparaging way at all. However, a person of above average intelligence would have coordinated the crime in a better way. Again, not endorsing criminal activity, but Aaron was just very unorganized, paranoid, and sloppy. Surely the advanced stages of CTE had something to do with the behavior.

This guy was a good kid who got fucked over from day one, didn’t have the tools to handle the huge opportunities before him, and committed a senseless act of murder for no good reason.

His history of violence is a direct result of the environment he was raised in, and while plenty of us have grown up in abusive and dysfunctional homes, most of us here weren’t playing football since the time we were nine, and getting repeatedly concussed. The CTE is a HUGE factor in this.

All of that said, I too, believe that his story might have turned out different, had he played elsewhere.

The biggest tragedy here, aside from the main tragedy of murder of another man, and suicide, is that Aaron didn’t have the wherewithal to handle being gay, and becoming an icon for other gay boys who wanted to go into pro sports. Aaron could have been a game changer with the right team behind him. But all that was around him was sheer dysfunction, and having Tim Tebow as his roommate was never going to change that. By then, it was pretty much, too late.

by Anonymousreply 510October 30, 2018 3:36 PM

NFL star-turned-killer Aaron Hernandez was on a two-day K2 bender that culminated with his jail-cell suicide, according to a prison probe of the incident.

Details of the troubled 27-year-old’s final days at Souza Baranowski Correctional Center in Massachusetts were revealed in a redacted portion of a 132-page report reviewed by the Boston Globe.

“Well he’s spent the last two days smoking K2 in his cell and he wasn’t in the right frame of mind,” an inmate told authorities investigating Hernandez’s suicide the day of his death on April 19, 2017.

The unidentified inmate added, “That s–t is [expletive] all these young kids up” and “They aren’t going to stop no matter what happens in here.”

Previous reports have suggested smoking K2 drove Hernandez — who was found with 3:16 scrawled in blood on his forehead and scribbled religious verses on his cell walls — to suicide.

But toxicology results found the former tight end had no drugs, including the synthetic marijuana, in his system when he died.

A toxicologist told the Globe that even the best tests may not detect K2.

“These are so potent, the doses are so low, that when a person takes it, you can only measure it in their blood for a short period of time,’’ said Marilyn Huestis, who teaches at the Lambert Center for the Study of Medicinal Cannabis and Hemp at Thomas Jefferson University. “So labs will frequently miss it in the blood.”

Hernandez was serving a life sentence in the 2013 murder of semi-professional football player Odin Lloyd. He had been acquitted in a double murder just days before he was found dead.

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by Anonymousreply 511October 30, 2018 3:59 PM

The Aaron Hernandez Story, Ryan and Aaron Scene #77

Aaron leaves a stressful and drama filled semester at UF for Christmas break up north. He visits Ryan and takes out all his frustrations on him before they cuddle:

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by Anonymousreply 512October 30, 2018 4:03 PM

I wonder if the brother was also sexually abused?

by Anonymousreply 513October 30, 2018 9:46 PM

ryan ate Aaron's pussy out a lot, and fucked the shit outta that big ole jock.

by Anonymousreply 514October 30, 2018 9:59 PM

And then they cuddled.

by Anonymousreply 515October 30, 2018 11:50 PM

[quote]NFL star-turned-killer Aaron Hernandez was on a two-day K2 bender that culminated with his jail-cell suicide, according to a prison probe of the incident.

Didn't we call that?

by Anonymousreply 516October 30, 2018 11:55 PM

So who here has tried K2? It sounds awful. Why can you smoke this shit in prison, but no real weed? Don’t they have to smuggle that stuff in there? You’d think they’d be able get weed in there, too.

I knew a woman who had a psychotic episode after smoking it. I couldn’t understand why she smoked that crap, when in LA, you can go into any dispensary, and buy marijuana.

by Anonymousreply 517October 31, 2018 12:38 AM

Gurl that K2 is no joke

by Anonymousreply 518October 31, 2018 12:43 AM

How many different boyfriends did Aaron Hernandez have back in high school?

by Anonymousreply 519October 31, 2018 12:52 PM

so many 'pals' paid their last respcets to aaron at the funeral home in pvt sessions, tha there was no hair left on his asshole.

by Anonymousreply 520October 31, 2018 1:20 PM

R516 It boggles the mind how accurately the DL detectives called every detail in this case. I was here from the jump, and we had access to tips and inside stuff from our Boston DL er, and we had cyber sleuths who were digging shit up a week before the media was printing it.

There are a hell of a lot of very bright people here, and they dig to verify and/or discover stuff one would never get from reading the MSM.

That is on of the main reasons I love this place. I remember the night that Muslim and his wife were on the loose in San Bernardino, Ca. after shooting up a city meeting. Our DLers had their names, address, FB stuff and more before the news networks had jack shit.

by Anonymousreply 521October 31, 2018 4:37 PM

r521 though i agree with you and appreciate DL for the same reason, it should be noted that proper media outlets are supposed to verify what they report.

by Anonymousreply 522October 31, 2018 8:00 PM

Poor little Aaron, he not want the world to know he queer, so he kills them that do know....

MONSTER

by Anonymousreply 523November 1, 2018 2:32 AM

[quote]I was molested....and I didn’t kill anyone.

[quote]Lorna Luft

So, we're just supposed to forget about your [italic]performance [/italic] in Grease II?

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by Anonymousreply 524November 1, 2018 3:26 AM

9 fascinating lines from Aaron Hernandez's brother's new book

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by Anonymousreply 525November 1, 2018 8:30 AM

"I asked Aaron if he was gay."

Aaron's sexual orientation has been a particular focus of tabloid gossip since his death, and his brother's book does not shy away from the subject.

Jonathan writes of an incident at his bachelor party in which he walked in on Aaron and two male friends lying in bed together without a shirt. But more important than his orientation is Aaron's response to his brother's question.

"'If you are, I don't care,' I said. 'I love you. You are my brother.' 'Don't you ever ask me that again,' Aaron said. 'If you say that again, I'll f---ing kill you.'"

by Anonymousreply 526November 1, 2018 2:50 PM

"Mom, I'm gay."

While Aaron was behind bars, he confided to his mother several secrets that had haunted him for years, which she then relayed to Jonathan, he writes.

Aaron told her that an older boy from his childhood would force him to perform oral sex, and that it started when he was 6 years old and continued for several years, Jonathan writes. Hernandez also said that he was gay and that he had a "true love" whom he had been hiding from everyone, according to the book.

"I hated living a secret, and I hated all the lies, but I felt like I had to do all those things because people wouldn't accept me," Aaron said, Jonathan writes in the book. "There was no way I could come out as an NFL player."

by Anonymousreply 527November 1, 2018 3:04 PM

I find it hard to believe that Aaron said that, orbsaid it exactly like that — sounds far too neatly cathartic like a bad script from a tv movie or soap

by Anonymousreply 528November 1, 2018 3:10 PM

Yeah Aaron is the type to get caught fucking Ryan in a sex tape posted online and still find himself unable to utter the words “I’m gay.” To him it was probably a mental illness related to childhood sexual abuse. That’s why that part is jarring.

by Anonymousreply 529November 1, 2018 3:16 PM

From r525:

Jonathan writes of an incident at his bachelor party in which he walked in on Aaron and two male friends lying in bed together without a shirt.

by Anonymousreply 530November 1, 2018 3:32 PM

r530 Do go on.......

by Anonymousreply 531November 1, 2018 10:21 PM

The only thing that could be more juicy than this book would be if Ryan wrote it himself. Ryan really wiggled his way out of this unscathed, for him arguably be the most important person in Aaron's life. He has gone on to create a family with his wife and no one really mentions him but us here.

Ryan was clearly who Aaron truly loved, and I wonder if most of his anger and depression came from him never being able to have the relationship with Ryan that he really wanted.

by Anonymousreply 532November 2, 2018 2:39 AM

How much money did Aaron give Ryan? Didn't he deposit money into his bank account before he was arrested or around the trial?

by Anonymousreply 533November 2, 2018 3:36 AM

I will bet that he spent a fortune in gifts and travel on Ryan, but I can't imagine that he would give him a big chunk of his estate(before it was gone) rather than see it go to his daughter. And, even though I don't especially like her, Shyana probably deserved something as well.

by Anonymousreply 534November 2, 2018 7:31 PM

R534, I don’t think that there was a lot of money left. Aaron only played pro football for a short period of time, and he had to pay lawyers’ fees for two murder trials.

by Anonymousreply 535November 2, 2018 7:37 PM

He coulda been the king of the gays. Could’ve made “gay” great again! Not that it ever was (or not in the post-classical age) . But he could’ve changed that narrative for ever! No subsequent “coming outs” will come close in terms of athletic prowess combined with unimpeachable raw masculinity, as well as off the chart sexual appeal..not for a looong ass time anyway. Goodnight sweet prince

by Anonymousreply 536November 3, 2018 9:08 AM

Starting to be obvious that Aaron was a bottom. iwhen you are forced to please a cock at a young age you become addicted to doing that..

by Anonymousreply 537November 3, 2018 9:37 AM

He probably gave old roomate Tebow blowjobs that’s how Tebow stayed a virgin for so long.

by Anonymousreply 538November 3, 2018 9:41 AM

Tebow probably took literally one for the team whenever Hernandez was in a foul mood. The team was probably thankful for that.

by Anonymousreply 539November 3, 2018 9:48 AM

He signed a huge contract to play, I think it was $41M. I don't know if the Patriots cutting him meant he would have to repay/forfeit anything, but usually players do not. Which is why teams hate cutting players.

by Anonymousreply 540November 3, 2018 10:01 AM

R540, football contracts are not guaranteed. He had to sue the Patriots to get the $1 million (or so) bonus that he WAS guaranteed, but once they fired him, that was it.

Baseball contracts are guaranteed, so they wind up with much more money than football players, which is outrageous, but football players have a bad union.

by Anonymousreply 541November 3, 2018 10:07 AM

Nba is also guaranteed.

by Anonymousreply 542November 3, 2018 10:27 AM

Must have been fun to run into him in a toilet and sit on his fucking face,

The whore loved it nasty...

by Anonymousreply 543November 3, 2018 10:27 AM

Aaron seemed like the self loathing kind of guy who liked to get his homo rocks off by being an alpha douche humiliating other guys with homoerotic punishments and dares. And then bringing flowers to his steady sweetheart, Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 544November 3, 2018 11:04 AM

He's the personification of the cartoon psychopath alpha male who has a tender side about buttercups and kittens. Also his "bro" lexis and syntax should be preserved in a great library, so anthropologists and linguists can study it in future generations.

by Anonymousreply 545November 3, 2018 11:27 AM

gays everywhere masturbate to the pictures of his friends fisting him...

by Anonymousreply 546November 3, 2018 11:40 AM

Just too damn many tattoos. He would have been so much more gorgeous without them.

by Anonymousreply 547November 3, 2018 3:03 PM

He was no Michael Sam

by Anonymousreply 548November 3, 2018 3:11 PM

r548, in looks? What do you mean?

by Anonymousreply 549November 3, 2018 3:13 PM

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious. Michael Sam was attractive, but he didn't have the dimples or the smile.

by Anonymousreply 550November 3, 2018 5:13 PM

WHET Michael Same?

by Anonymousreply 551November 3, 2018 5:16 PM

[QUOTE]I'm pretty sure he was being facetious. Michael Sam was attractive, but he didn't have the dimples or the smile.

Or the talent. Aaron was on a path that would’ve made him one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history.

by Anonymousreply 552November 3, 2018 5:28 PM

And he wound up being a tight end in prison. The legendary Jerry Smith was a tight end also.

by Anonymousreply 553November 3, 2018 8:23 PM

And look what happened to Jerry Smith.

by Anonymousreply 554November 3, 2018 9:59 PM

he cold have had a huge career as a stripper on florida,

or whore in frisco….

by Anonymousreply 555November 3, 2018 10:38 PM

Look who’s reading the book

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by Anonymousreply 556November 4, 2018 6:59 AM

Tp has spoken often of his own childhood molestations. I remember when he "mentored" an NFL player about 20 years ago who had been suffering with PTSD from his own sexual abuse. They went on Oprah together to discuss it.

by Anonymousreply 557November 4, 2018 7:04 AM

Ew, R556. That really creeps me out.

by Anonymousreply 558November 4, 2018 1:24 PM

Tyler rubbed on out at aaron's bulge pics on his private plane and captioned it #MileHighRub

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by Anonymousreply 559November 4, 2018 3:53 PM

Is this Ryan?

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by Anonymousreply 560November 5, 2018 5:38 AM

Yeah that’s him.

by Anonymousreply 561November 5, 2018 5:40 AM

Aarons asshole was used more than a toilet seat at Sardi's...

by Anonymousreply 562November 5, 2018 12:11 PM

Podcast was really good this week. Unless I’m reaching too much they seemed to infer that Ryan was the “other reason (aside from his daughter)” that Aaron missed being free. Also, Ryan seemed to be just as anti-effeminate judging by the phone convo.

I’m still not clear why the prosecution wanted to explore the gay angle or why they thought it was relevant, what info they actually had, and why they abandoned that angle if they thought it was relevant to motive.

Amazing how that other prisoner was able to gain entry into AH’s cell before lockdown and hide under the bed (they’ve done that before) smoke K2 and exit without being caught. Has this guy been identified? Is it the one he promised the watch to?

by Anonymousreply 563November 6, 2018 1:31 PM

[quote] Ryan seemed to be just as anti-effeminate judging by the phone convo.

Are we talking about THIS Ryan McDonnell?? lol

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by Anonymousreply 564November 6, 2018 1:48 PM

what podcast? eager to see one of all the details

by Anonymousreply 565November 6, 2018 1:50 PM

prisoners in his section said his asshole tasted like fame and money and hungry cunt

by Anonymousreply 566November 6, 2018 1:51 PM

R565 “Gladiator” podcast by Wondery and Boston Globe

by Anonymousreply 567November 6, 2018 1:56 PM

Personally I listen on Spotify

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by Anonymousreply 568November 6, 2018 2:01 PM

r564 methinks the lady doth protest too much!

by Anonymousreply 569November 6, 2018 2:48 PM

Do we get to hear the phone calls between Ryan and Aaron?

by Anonymousreply 570November 6, 2018 4:06 PM

Yes. The punch the effeminate with butter on his lips convo is with Ryan

by Anonymousreply 571November 6, 2018 4:36 PM

Reminds me of "butch in the streets, femme in the sheets". Now I imagine closet cases having secret sleepovers where they braid each others' wigs and wear nightgowns and gossip about the other guys on their very masculine sports team. And giggle about the latest Helix or Sean Cody porn clip or just getting all horned up while watching it.

by Anonymousreply 572November 6, 2018 4:59 PM

R572 Because you can’t conceive of a gay man as anything other than a sisified stereotype?

by Anonymousreply 573November 6, 2018 5:04 PM

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by Anonymousreply 574November 6, 2018 5:05 PM

r573, when the fuck me pump fits.

by Anonymousreply 575November 6, 2018 5:06 PM

R575 needs to reapply the butter on “their” lips

by Anonymousreply 576November 6, 2018 5:12 PM

r576 needs a good punch in his prolapsed anus he calls pussy since the hot curling iron no longer does the trick.

by Anonymousreply 577November 6, 2018 5:14 PM

The pic at r574 reminded me of Kevin Lanflisi and Aaron Rodgers

by Anonymousreply 578November 6, 2018 5:44 PM

There is nothing masculine about Ryan. That guy is a former twink at best or a drag queen performer out of drag.

by Anonymousreply 579November 6, 2018 5:53 PM

Ryan must really really be tempted to cash-in. It’s quite amazing he hasn’t thus far (as far as we know). Highly virtuous? Being BFF with AH and no doubt turning a blind eye to his depredations (even if he didn’t know the extent) says otherwise. Is the silence about preserving his het image or saving his wife embarasment...when almost everyone already suspects he was AH’s true love or fuckbuddy, making it an excercise in futility when he could come out as bi or “bi” and make some money for their kids. Or maybe he got t enough money from Aaron?

by Anonymousreply 580November 7, 2018 3:57 PM

Does Ryan feature in Jonathan’s book?

by Anonymousreply 581November 7, 2018 4:01 PM

And you gays are so proud to claim him... you find sexual abuse and rape appealing if it makes the victim gay.

by Anonymousreply 582November 7, 2018 4:07 PM

R582 You sound right wing so you’ll probably appreciate this:

just because somebody claims to be an abuse victim doesn’t mean we necessarily have to believe them...particularly when, as in the case of self-hating closet-cases (or worse), it’s a tried and tested trope used to appease hostile opinion and excuse “aberrant” sexual behaviour

by Anonymousreply 583November 7, 2018 4:31 PM

r582 do you read the comments on this site? You condone rape, sexual abuse, etc. if it is a man fucking another man. Not only that, you find it hot and appealing

by Anonymousreply 584November 7, 2018 4:37 PM

r583 do you read the comments on this site? You condone rape, sexual abuse, etc. if it is a man fucking another man. Not only that, you find it hot and appealing

by Anonymousreply 585November 7, 2018 5:12 PM

Just finished his brother's novel. Really good read.

Aaron really didn't stand a chance with the CTE and everything, but he knew he was gay. Contemplated leaving the NFL to be with his lover. Told his favorite cousin and Mom he was gay. A friend or two knew, also his lovers. Said he's been in love with the same guy since he was 10 years old and called him everyday after practice when he played for the Patriots. Said he loved Shayanna, but had to get fucked up to be intimate with a woman and stayed out with his friends late hoping she'd be asleep by the time he got back.

by Anonymousreply 586November 8, 2018 6:33 AM

they say ryan took it up the ass so much he had butter on his chin

by Anonymousreply 587November 8, 2018 8:37 AM

I've got to admit that I do find the whole story appealing in a "well, ONCE AGAIN (being in) the closet kills!" sort of way. Most people really understimate how it fucks with your mind when you've been programmed to reject the very things you desire (like, gay sex or a loving same sex relationship based on love and trust).

by Anonymousreply 588November 8, 2018 8:49 AM

Is the book a novel? Or more like a memoir...?

by Anonymousreply 589November 8, 2018 1:08 PM

r589 Memoir. Short read. Around 200 pages.

by Anonymousreply 590November 9, 2018 2:07 AM

Ryan was the side bitch. I think it's the high school quarterback who was his true love.

by Anonymousreply 591November 9, 2018 2:58 AM

R591, that's not true. Ryan visited him the most in Jail, Ryan was questioned on the stand in trial and Ryan went away on vacation with Aaron alone (just the 2 of them). Ryan is his true love, he met him when he was 10. Do the math...he's the love of his life.

by Anonymousreply 592November 9, 2018 3:42 AM

So he cheated on Ryan with the quarterback?

by Anonymousreply 593November 9, 2018 3:47 AM

To think this hunk of a man, this rock star athlete of masculinity, was gay and had a love with a male all the way back to being 10 years of age. So sad he couldn't get his life in order. He was a gang member! How was he worried about coming out? No one was going to fuck with a gang member. And trust this, other gang members would not be upset to his face about him being gay (I'm sure he had a few in bed) because he was bringing in the $$$$$$.

by Anonymousreply 594November 9, 2018 3:52 AM

I still wonder if Ryan was truly gay or if he just went along for the ride. He probably didn't mind messing around as a horny teen. But he seemed to move on just fine. He got married and had a kid. Maybe he was straight or bi and once the domineering rich boyfriend went away he just moved on like he would've before. Maybe Aaron was just someone he messed with as a kid and was scared to get away from. I'm curious if he felt the same way about Aaron that Aaron felt about him. Or if he just didn't rock the boat. Especially when his adolencent mess around guy got rich and famous.

by Anonymousreply 595November 9, 2018 5:05 AM

PSYCHO EYES

by Anonymousreply 596November 9, 2018 6:34 AM

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by Anonymousreply 597November 9, 2018 6:48 AM

R595 That is the million dollar question. I am still on the fence as to whether or not Ryan was an "according to Hoyle born gay" man.

I have no doubt that he loved and adored Aaron, but would have absolutely been a sexual love relationship were it not for AH's orientation? Of curse we will never know for certain. Ryan could stay married for forty years and have 4 kids, but we will never truly know. Whatever they were, theirs was a long and complicated relationship---that we now do know. And from reading AH's letters, texts and such, it was a full of lovey dovey shit was expressed pretty openly. (I am thinking of Aaron's phone conversation with Ryan's dad.)

This whole thing has left me so sad for Aaron....I don't get a fat fuck what the assholes here say. Yeah, he's a murderer, but he was an incredibly complex man who lived a life full of both pain and love.

And frankly at this point, I have come to believe that there may well have been some playful grab ass with Tebow. I absolutely did not think there was until watching Aaron's bro being interviewed. I doubt there is a gay leaning man on the planet who did not share some level of sex play with him. That could be as innocent as mutual masturbation all the way to frottage, but I would lay money that there was no anal sex with TT.

The trips were when Ryan and Aaron were able to be a couple and show affection to each other, and the Costa Rica trip was like a honeymoon.

by Anonymousreply 598November 9, 2018 12:52 PM

Ryan and Aaron were childhood friends. It would be really strange if Ryan kept being his friend out of fear (from Aaron sending his thug friend to beat him up when he breaks Aaron's heart?) or obligation. Only someone who really loves him would be ok with hanging around someone who needs handlers to resolve any issues that occur with his anger management issues. Aaron may have shielded his relationship with Ryan from his thug friends and maybe even the public, but Aaron sure had a lot of demons he had to fight with even when he's with Ryan and apparently Ryan stuck with him even when Aaron was in prison.

by Anonymousreply 599November 9, 2018 2:29 PM

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