Part 8: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, Is It Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

A reminder of MeAgain's walkabout with tendrils, messy bun on show and what we can look forward to on her upcoming trip Down Under.

Tendrils? She's the Duchess of Sussex, not a fucking plant!

I think that Amal Clooney wants in badly. Both Amal and George are social climbers. After the wedding, there was a leaked story about how Amal is MM's new confidant. Even with two kids, I don't see Amal having anything better to do than suck up to royalty. She will MAKE the time.

I do believe that Kate is cold towards MM. That much hyped Wimbledon appearance showed you that. I actually felt bad for MM. This is the downside to social climbing. People will think nothing of treating you like you don't belong. MM just needs to accept Kate for the cold woman that she is and find her own circle of friends in London.

This also probably has something to do with the age difference between MM and Harry. If Harry's friends are marrying women their age and younger, MM will be the odd one out.

Well, at least Doria loves her.

How did she manage to get her heels completely covered in mud from the limo to the building entrance door?

R1 A close up of the pic shows large white flakes on her jacket's shoulders like she's caught in a snowstorm - but there's even more at her hair part. Is she out of Head & Shoulders? Just ghastly.

[quote]from the limo to Bellagio’s ladies’ room to the building entrance door?

Fixted!

Not only are they covered in mud (one hopes), the leather on the right one has separated and is rolling up the heel.

The leaked stories are ALL from MM and have no basis in reality. Any time her name is first and not Harry's, it's from her PR. The Amal stuff is bullshit.

Her heels are muddy because she didn't have her shoes cleaned from the time she wore them before, which was either the time she wore stilettos to the para-sports pitch and stomped divots all over it, or the time she wore stilletos with wide legged pants that dragged on the ground - it was raining and sloppy out and the heels could have gotten backwash and just garden variety cobblestone mud/dirt. The point is, she didn't clean her shoes, just wore them again.

Kate keeps her distance because Meghan drops blinds to her friend Jessica, who gives them to Lainey, all the time. She is constantly undermining others with her PR. It's all her PR. Any connection with the truth is invisible. She makes shit up. She's a constant spinning machine, constantly reacting, constantly repositioning to big herself up.

Good catch, r6 about the detached leather on the heel.

I don't know if Kate's cold - I don't really think so- but I'd think she's stupid if she made friends with this bunny boiler.

The dandruff flakes are avoidable and disgusting. And muddy shoes. Plus the rest. Does she really give such little attention to her personal grooming? She must get talked about by staff around the royal residences.

Kate is likely mortified about the Markle family soap opera going on, r11 and seeing red flags regarding MM's past.

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I think it’s not out of the realm of possibility that BRF wants her to fail and is subtly undermining her. Maybe the aides assigned to her encourage her to wear American designers telling her that she is an American fashion ambassador in the UK or something. Maybe the staff at KP is snubbing her by being neglectful, hence the muddy shoes.

She just doesn't present as a normal, likeable person. For example she could have come out and made public what happened to her unfortunate dog with the broken legs. Could have made a feature around its veterinary care to perhaps lead into her involvement in animal charities? Everyone relates to a dog story. This was yet another PR fail and has added to lingering suspicion around her and her actions.

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Those muddy shoes have to be from the day of. Nobody could be that oblivious.

Forgetting to snip the tailor tack, I've done that so I'm not twirling around in a three-way mirror before I step out into a mass of photographers.

R17, it’s about time someone publicly called out Harry on his role in creating this mess.

Too much of a rush to marry. Insufficient time to get settled in the UK and pick up royal traditions for her and to really get to know each other and respective families for both.

R20, marry in haste, repent at leisure, eh?

More entertainment for us r21.

A DM poster tracked the editing of MM's Wiki page: by October 2016, ( so before Harry's November 8th, 2016 stroopy letter to the press) Meghan, or a superfan, had put on MM's wiki that she was Harry's girlfriend. Bet that was a surprise to Harry, should he be able to read.

Someone also took out her Deal or No Deal stint and added her "humanitarian work," plus a link to her insufferable lifestyle website and some honor she won.

[quote] The revision(ist) history in the weeks leading to the public announcement that she and Harry were dating, on October 30 2016, is a testament to her master skills of manipulation. SNIP: 22:38, 9 October 2016 (Acting career: take out deal or no deal), 22:48, 9 October 2016 (added Humanitarian work), 18:26, 11 October 2016 (Added external link to Markle's website, "thetig.com"), 18:31, 11 October 2016 (Added honor by Cynopsis Media as one of top women in digital for 2016), 18:33, 11 October 2016, 30 October 2016 (Personal life: Added romance with Prince Harry)

I don't think Kate is mortified - on the contrary, she's shrewd enough to know that the Markle Family Antics only make the Middletons look like the landed aristocracy.

William and Charles may care more, as the tarnish of celebrity continues to erode the mystical sheen of royalty, as this is their direct inheritance and their children's.

But I doubt Kate is anything but secretly delighted. Of course, how Harry feels is a matter of speculation.

R17 I don't think that Harry imagined that MM's father would become this much of a distraction. He is probably trying to be polite about it.

R14 MM just doesn't seem that well put together overall sometimes. It kills me to say this because I like her.

R24 Kate looked smug as hell at Wimbeldon. She knew that MM was wearing an fashion absurdity.

I love the contasting photo of elegant Kate and disheveled-looking MM at Wimbledon, r25.

On her aforementioned, insufferable, GOOP-wannabe lifestyle blog, inveterate name dropper, MM, drops the name of Prince Willy's former flame, Arabella Musgrave, whom Meghan apparently cozied up to in 2015.

Meghan had been heading over to the UK to network for years before she landed Harry; that's why she hired the UK PR agency, whose clients included royalty, to get her humanitarian gigs / a rich husband. That's also why she asked a British journalist about whether to consider very rich football star Ashley Cole.

Like hell, she wan't aiming for a life among the British rich and powerful. She just managed to land the biggest fish, but she was ready to settle for slightly smaller fry. The hunky Canadian chef never stood a chance. Lucky escape for him.

[quote] “One frosty London evening over dinner and drinks with my friend, Bella Musgrave, I had the pleasure of meeting the unforgettable Sophie Edelstein…”

Why ever would Kate ever trust and make friends with Sparkle?

That blind item early on about her (Kate) supposedly not offering Sparkle a ride when it turns out they were both going shopping. That clearly showed what Sparkle was about. (And I'd bet that Sparkle was probably loitering around hoping to connect with Kate.)

Kate must protect herself from that kind of shit. And her children's (and family's) privacy.

That doesn't make her cold. It makes her smart, prudent and careful.

Warning, danger, Kate!

Lock any interconnecting doors at Kensington Palace. Security cameras, warn employees, etc. Keep your guard up.

I couldn't get that link to work r27...she really didn't post that insufferable twaddle, did she?

Poor MM really looked like a sad clown in her striped shirt and floppy trousers, next to impeccable Kate, who'd just had a baby a month earlier. Kate must really be conflicted - on the one hand she is close to Harry and would want to support him; on the other, MM is really wrecking the RF's brand with her maladroit behaviour and outrageous family.

Try this link to Meghan's old lifestyle blog. Maybe don't eat first...

You're right, R29, for whatever reason when I paste the link to Meghan's old lifestyle blog into DL it leads to the blog's farewell page. But when I cut and paste it into a browser it leads to the page I quoted go to the Tumblr blog linked here and scroll down. There will be a piece with Meghan's quote on Arabella Musgrave and a link to Meghan's old blog that works.

R28 - That story about Kate not giving MM a lift to go shopping was leaked by MM's PR to Lainey, who was the first to publish it - as Lainey has been one of MM's PR buddies since the get-go, if Lainey leaks it and it doesn't say nice things about Kate or William, it's come from MM. If anything, the leak of that story turning MM into Kate's victim would have been a warning sign to Kate to stay as far from MM as possible unless absolutely necessary, as with Wimbledon and Louis's christening, and Christmas services at Sandringham.

MM is looking for a style of her own that sets her apart from Kate and the other Home Counties. She wants to be connected to Big Names like Givenchy and Dior the way Kate is connected to McQueen, Packham, and Walker. Unfortunately, while the impulse to set her own style is understandable, the way she's going about it is making her look ungrateful and willful - she needs to find some British designers who will give her look of her own. The luxury label foreign names are making a fool of her, because they don't make her look good, they don't make her look like she has a style of her own because the style is all over the place, and they don't fit well - and she takes flak for using British taxpayer funding going to her father in law from the Duchy of Cornwall to support foreign designers.

Bad judgement all around.

Agree with whoever upthread said that that off the shoulder pink outfit she wore to the Trooping the Colour made her look not youthful and sexy, but like the Mother of Bride trying not to look too much older than the bridesmaids.

Although the de la Renta tablecloth and the grey Givenchy in Dublin outlining her strapless bra still hold pride of place, closely followed in second place by the mess with the top button opened at the Straubenzee wedding, and the lampshade dress she wore on her date with the Queen.

Ahem...Don't forget the tent size palazzo pants she wore at Wimbledon, r33.

Also the all black cocktail/morning regalia she wore to the RAF. She's the kind of narcissistic backstabbing girl you learn not to let into your life if you've been alive for a few years. She can only have fellow users as friends.

INSUFFERABLE!! omg such pretentious crap. "Insiders Guide to Paris" "Insiders Guide to the Lower East Side"

She is telling you who she is with every blog post.

Harry, you are a fool.

Apparently daddy dearest has just compared the BRF to Scientologists and is calling them all "Stepford." This has to be so embarrassing for them with the DoS's dad still hammering away at them. I have a feeling if Harry had met Thomas before the wedding, the marriage never would have gone down.

I know, R36, Meghan screams what a pretentious twat she is with every single piece she put on her lifestyle blog. And her writing is execrable. How the hell did she get into Northwestern?

The Grey Men really fucked up in researching her background - her social climbing, narcissistic personality is all out there, and she's the one who exposed most of it in her blogs, speeches and interviews.

Or an infatuated Harry gave his family an ultimatum. I vote for the latter. Harry is such an idiot.

She's merching the labels she's wearing, R33. If you read back over all the Dangling Tendril threads, posters have explained her merching.

R35, her besties are Jessica Mulroney, a grifting, narcissistic, pretentious twat if there ever was one, and then she claims Priyanka Chopra, another grifting, narcissistic, pretentious twat. Although, according to Chopra, they weren't close-close: Meghan and Chopra seem to kind of just use each other as Beautiful Women of Color.

R37 what amazes me is that Sparkle fans call her family crazy, but somehow think that Meghan escaped the crazy or that somehow a miracle will occur and her children with Crazy Hairy will escape the crazy.

R15 she’s a grown woman, almost 40. Do you think it is anyone else’s responsibility to check she’s clean and tidy before she steps out the door? I wouldn’t leave the house without looking in the hall mirror to make sure I’m presentable, I’m sure Sparkle has access to at least one mirror.

R38 - I'll buy Harry letting the BRF know that either they let him marry MM or he leaves the family and gives up his place in the succession.

But I still don't buy the merching. Yes, I know how they explained it, but what happens at the end of the year when the Duchy of Cornwall posts its expenses and there are none for MM's clothes, as there are for Kate's clothes, and it turns out she's broken one of the Ten Commandments of Royal Privilege:

Thou Shalt Not Use Thy Position For Personal Gain By Accepting Free Designer Clothing In Exchange for Merchandising Said Wares Lest Thou Prompt the Peasants To Bring the Pitchforks And Torches Out Of Gran's Attic.

No one will believe her that they were gifts with no expectation of ROI.

Even if she had ceiling and floor mirrors all over the place, she can't see through her messy tendrils, r39.

They were from the a prior appearance and Markle IS that oblivious. Just watch her. She's terrible at everything. Walks like a flamingo. Can't even keep her hair combed or blend her contour make-up past her jawline.

She is merching her ass off, you can see it from space. All the times she touches her hat or hair to show off her Birks jewelry. The shit she puts on straight from the box that doesn't fit her.

The palace doesn't have to explain shit. Did the palace do anything to stop her social media coyness about her and Harry? Spooning bananas, pretending Markus Anderson was Harry wearing a Golden Girls t-shirt, hinting about #London? Did the palace do anything about her going to Vanity Fair without permission? She wanted the cover!

The media will not question the palace when Charles' expenses come up no budget for MM. He is not on any planet spending a million on her, nor is he spending a 10th of that. She is protected because she is "First Black Member of the BRF" and nobody wants to stir that hornets nest. If anything it will be spun as liberating - why should she give up EVERYTHING and dress poorly when she's used to the best from Hwood? Blah blah.

Good visual, r42.

Forgot add -- flamingo has nicer legs.

From a blog post titled “Badass Reading List”

“Most of you may read that heading and think, “F&*k yeah! I want to be a badass!” while the rest of you are scoffing at my ever-so unladylike language. Let me now apologize for both of the assumptions. The foremost apology is because I am hoping to redefine what “badass” means, and the latter is because you can be a lady and say whatever you want. So now that we’ve crossed both of those distracting judgments off the list, allow me to share the books that have fed my soul for many years. To me, a badass is one who is strong of spirit, brave and fearless, self-aware yet selfless, and always striving to be the best version of themselves. If that sounds like you, or the “you” that you would like to be, then add one of these gems to your spring reading list. The self-work is always worth it.”

R46 more!

That goes for anyone else who can see and post excerpts from the Tig. I am unable to open the links (not sure why) and am in a masochistic mood.

Did she write the blog or did her PR team?

That fucking hair! That insufferable smirk! That "Who Me" expression!

Just for you R47. The website wasn’t working for me either but I used the second link someone posted from tumblr now I can seem some of it. From a post titled “Fall Reading List”

10 / 17 / 2014

“Let’s discuss the simple pleasures in life: holding someone’s hand so seamlessly that you can’t decipher their fingers from your own, fresh baked bread smeared with briny French butter, a smile that says you are endlessly adored, the sizzle and smell of sautéing onions, and finding the perfect book. There’s no pecking order to this short list, but there is a profound satisfaction that comes with losing yourself in a piece of literature. Of throwing on your comfies, laying down on your bed, and cracking open (or turning on) a new book. I always opt for the former - for that tactile experience of bending the pages and feeling the paper, of tangibly holding someone’s words in your hands. (But we know I’m a bit old school when it comes to these things). And then you add to this the fact that it’s now fall. That inherently we want to be wrapped up – not just in sweaters and scarves, but in rich and textured story. Tis the season to be all snuggled up at home, with a cup of peppermint tea, a cable knit throw, and the seasonal soundtrack of autumn leaves swirling outside your window. That’s when you know it’s time to dig into something full-bodied. If book lists were wine lists, this season’s TIG Reading Guide is serving up some big beautiful Cabs – complex and interesting, balanced and satisfying with a memorable finish. Cheers!

We Are Not Ourselves by Matthew Thomas

A stunning portrayal of a multi-generational Irish family in New York – this book really captures so much of our quotidian routines and struggles. But beyond that, what will resonate is the story of illness and how the deterioration of someone’s mind and body affects the every aspect of the family unit. Man, do I wish we could say more than that! It’s a masterful debut novel from Thomas and you may remember my gushing about it when I read an advance copy. It’s now avail everywhere, and it’s truly a must read.

I’ll Drink to That by Betty

Sitting down to read a memoir by the first personal shopper at Bergdorf Goodman, we thought it would be a fun, but fluffy read. But, as they say to never judge a book by its cover (literally), Halbreich’s memoir is deeply thoughtful and personal. It’s not just a story about the behind-the-scenes shopping at Bergdorf’s (although, there is some of that, which makes for some great laugh-out-loud moments), but it’s a book that covers serious topics from marriage to death and all the little slivers in between. When I was in NY recently, I had hoped to make it in time to the book launch party at Bergdorfs but was running late and was gutted to miss it. The fab femmes of HBO’s Girls were there to celebrate this new book, so it’s definitely on the cool kid reading radar.

Not That Kind of Girl by Lena Dunham

Speaking of Girls, you’ve probably heard that Lena Dunham was writing a memoir. And like everything Dunham seems to do, from her bare bum bravado on her show to her outspoken and incredibly unaffected POV, this chick has moxy. In her memoir, its her refreshingly honest voice that shines through, leaving us spellbound, yet again. Dunham’s stories are funny, relatable, crass, and effortlessly readable. The book highlights Dunham’s talents as an artist and solidifies our impression of her as a confident & wickedly smart force to be reckoned with as she discusses her time in therapy, summer camp, and her relationship with her family.

The Paying Guests by Sarah Waters

[Deleting the description for this book so this is not too long to post]

I can't believe I didn't think about this before, but the U.S. got its version of Markle in the form of Louise Linton, the ex-actress, former crusader for Africa, luxury product consuming, social climbing wife of Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

OSCAR PARTY ENTERTAINING TIPS

02 / 26 / 2016

The Academy Awards are just days away, so what better way to get in the mood and indulge in the festive fun than to throw a good old fashioned Oscar party? Sound stressful? Fret not, darling. We’re taking the guess work out of your little soireé, because at the end of the day you just want to hang with friends, eat good eats, drink good drinks, talk about fawn-worthy red carpet dresses, and see who takes that golden guy home. Here is your very own 2016 Oscar Ballot courtesy of your gal pals here at The Tig, along with some Best Picture inspired drink and appetizer ideas that will have your friends thinking you’re just as clever as can be. And the award for Best Oscar Party ever goes to…You!

MARTIAN MUNCHIES

Oh, to watch sweet Matt Damon as an astronaut trapped on Mars with nothing to eat but potatoes. Not sure about you, but this movie killed me and then brought me back to life. The best. As an ode to this film, serve of simple roasted potato skins topped with creme fraiche and either crumbled bacon & chives, or (hey hey fancy lady) some caviar. There are some American varietals that won’t break the bank and are absolutely delicious, like Pointy Snout, for example. Pair with bubbles (because surving Mars is a celebration, baby), and clink glasses to The Martian.

BROOKLYN BITES

This one is a no brainer. While the film chronicles a young Irish woman’s journey, the core is about her finding her footing (and love) in Brooklyn, NY. So let’s honor The Big Apple. Order a plain thin crust pizza, cut it up into small appetizer size squares and build up chic toppings to impress your friends: arugula & prosciutto, sliced figs with a drizzle of honey, thinly sliced apple and a sprinkle of rosemary. Or frankly, go classic and order up a big old pepperoni pie and tuck into some greasy good slices with a bottle of Chianti; think old school house red. Simple and delicious.

EGG-SCAPE FROM THE ROOM

I was an absolute disaster watching this film. It didn’t help that I was on a plane, and completely freaked out the passenger next to me with the deluge of tears streaming down my face. But all that aside, outside of the stunning performances and gripping story, I was struck by the egg shells the characters strung in their isolated existence. They made the best with what they had, and we can certainly appreciate that. As a nod to those petits oeux, make some simple deviled eggs and pair with absolutely anything to wash them down. Those characters deserve the world after what they went through.

REVENANT VITTLES

Rumor has it Leonardo Di Caprio ate a raw bison liver for a scene in the film. Not suggesting you serve that up at your Oscar party, or even cooked liver and onions. Let’s just bypass the whole liver thing. Opt instead to put out easy carnivorous snacks, such as roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-your-hands-dirty drumsticks. No utensils, no problem. After all, Leo certainly didn’t have them. Pair with a dry Alsatian Riesling to cut the fattiness and spice.

Dear freaking god, those passages are so self-important and tedious. I'm sure the readers (jeez, how many?) find them sophisticated.

Meghan or whoever writes this blog has a problem with "former" and "latter" among other usage blunders.

I don't know whether to laugh or vomit after reading her Tig prose. What high falutin, self important, name dropping, social climbing and utterly laughable dross.

She's a mug cradler.

But I don't think she wrote any of it.

Thank you for your service, r50/r52

I'm frequently puzzled by her word choices. For example:

Seamlessly

Decipher

Briny

Foremost

Would pecking order be the best choice there?

Ouefs and moxie are spelled incorrectly, but that's minor. The sentence fragments and adverb choices are more jarring.

I wonder if an intern did write the actual article/list and she wrote the intro...hence the "we". The main bodies of the posts seem to be better written than the intros.

"the seasonal soundtrack of autumn leaves swirling outside your window" LOL!!

R51 and she's from the UK, no? An even trade, then.

R59, That hat!

To me, the Tig reads like copy from the aspirational/pretentious catalogs of the 80s.

LOL R62, she could have made a great writer for J. Peterman.

[quote]... a smile that says you are endlessly adored

GAG!

Tshirt slogan : YOU CAN’T POLISH A TURD, BUT YOU CAN DEESS IT IN RALPH LAUREN.

*DRESS

Reading The Tig is an hilarious experience.

She was so pompous for a nobody D-list actress, wonder what she would write now she's the Duchess of my Ass.

I still wonder if she wrote it herself or if it was some ghost writer specialized in feel good mug cradling wool blanket chick litt.

R15 - I highly doubt it. Common sense would dictate that having endured all of the very public embarrassment, courtesy of her family, and now married to Harry, that the BRF and their handlers are hoping against hope for things to settle down, and for this marriage to work.

Agree, r68. But palace officials can't seem to contain much less stop the blistering commentary from her 'estranged' family. I can just imagine Thomas Markle unleashing some nasty story during MM's trip to Australia just to keep her off balance and detract from the royal PR.

Just want to add to the posts in the last thread re Lizzy Wilson-Pelly. She really has fit in to the aristo circles her husband moves in. She's got the look, for a start, plus a wealthy background, ie, she would have married well in any case, plus I imagine she has the southern charm thing that many southern women seem to have. I don't know if she has made friends with the women in that circle, but at every event, she looks the part and there has never been anything negative published about her behaviour.

He may look like a mangy old rodenty beaver or groundhog but he is far from the cute and furry Pa featured in MM's Insta. Agree with r69 - there could be more ill- timed, nasty and bitter reveals ahead.

R50: I just threw up in my mouth.

Her tortured prose! Her banal striving! Her ginger man prize!

R57 - “briny butter”??? What on earth?? Butter isn’t brine like, and if it is, I’d be returning it, with complaint!

Here's a simple Tig drinking game for you...

Take a shot every time she misuses a word or veers into pretentiously pompous purple prose.

I don't have time to wade through that cesspool again but back in one of the pre-wedding threads I linked to a bunch of her most cringeworthy posts. There was one about pasta that I'll try to dig up tomorrow. It will be worth the wait.

"Lapping" was one of the words she singled out for abuse. Sun-dappled rubber duckies lapped in soul-restoring, herb-infused, neck-deep baths; placid waves lapped aggressively against a green, verdant, and capricious shore; soul-restoring matzoh balls (overnighted to Chicago by Pa) lapped in steaming bowls of broth; the tintinnabulation of ice lapping against laden glasses restored her should and breathed new life into her stolid bones.

On and on it went, always just a little off, as though she had thrown a dozen darts at an adjective poster she kept taped to the wall in her blissfully somnambulant yet crisply-sheeted chambre à coucher. Soul restored! Bliss!

R73 Lol, no.

She's perfect for the Idiot Prince, he has just the right number of brain cells to love Meghan's style of writing and self-aggrandizing prose.

He must think she's the epitome of class, cleverness and wit.

I was surprised by the pairing before but not anymore.

She’s too old to act ‘cute’ *gag*, as she seems to be, rather embarrassingly attempting, in R59 ‘s photos.

R74 Briny "French" butter, you peasant!

It's "beurre salé" in French and it's delicious. But no way I would call it briny.

Soul*, although her "should" probably needs some restoring as well.

Exactly, R78. Excuse my lack of culture!! However, I’ve had many and varied forms of butter in my travels. None had a ‘briny’ texture!

R80 Briny is the fancy way of the Duchess says salty.

Humanitarians have no time for paragraphs.

[quote]The comfort of warm silken broth, of mild onion flavor, and fluffy yet textured matzo balls lapping in a full bowl of feel-good soup - I have a long time love affair with this chicken soup for the soul. I used sit at Canter’s Deli with my mom, just a stone’s throw from Fairfax High where she went to school – its vibrant Jewish community infused into every local pastry shop and market, hamantaschen and gefilte fish for the taking. I would dunk pumpernickel bagel chips into the bowl of soup until they were softened but not soggy – a delicate balance I fine tuned at the age of nine. In college when I was homesick, my dad would go to Greenblatt’s or Victor’s Deli and overnight express mail me the soup I loved so much – packed in dry ice no less. (Easily making it the most expensive matzo ball soup known to man.) But it was my penicillin, and my association with this soup (as with most foods I love) was rich in story and family memories, of feeling warmed and feeling loved. The kicker in all of this? My family is not Jewish. But as with most foods I relish, they run the cultural gamut. In the spirit of not just Hannukah this week, but also in a love and appreciation for all cultural kitchens, I share with you my matzo ball soup recipe. It may or may not rival your bubbe’s, but I guarantee if you make it, you will be asked time and time again for the recipe.

Ohhhhhh!!!! Well thank you so much for translating/elucidating, R81. I don’t do ‘Markle Speak’ I do wonder if MM wrote that tripe herself?

[quote]The mussels, scallops, and prawns luxuriated in their bath of this soup.

R84 This idiot must not know the "bouillabaisse" is a poor people dish.

I did wade into the cesspool after all...

[quote]It was that pasta that transports you to a sunny terrace in Positano, ivy dancing through the wire legs of the table, the lilt of laughter carrying over the slushing sounds of the sea. Where the air smells of bergamot & sunshine, and the world swells around you in a wave of long and lyrical “zaaa”s and the ring of glasses clinking. Where your pasta spins perfectly around your fork, just as the Italian “r” twirls off your tongue. It was that magical unctuous pasta that made this meal not just a dinner, but a stamp in my passport.

I see some Jewish soup appropriation here R82.

Well I can see Kate wouldn’t be going for dinner at the in laws very often. She sticks to the Paleo diet, and mostly organic.

Garlic and seafood are not allowed for the royals. I can understand no garlic, but why no seafood? I would definitely exclude onions, especially raw ones, but I never noticed seafood affecting the breath.

Every time I click on a link here for Daily Mail it gives me the same video of Thomas Markle's first interview

I shall forever more refer to her blue-and-white Oscar de la Renta spinnaker as "billowing with tahini." And here she goes with the "unctuous" again:

[quote]Chef Kevin Gilmour serves up heaping platters of hummus drizzled with olive oil & smoked chipotle, whole roasted cauliflower billowing with tahini, pomegranate and halloumi, and a daily salatim of mixed pickled veggies and unctuous sides — the standout being the (ahem) rapini taboulleh (yes, please, and thank you).

[italic]...a daily salatim of mixed pickled veggies and fatty, oily sides; smooth and greasy in texture and appearance.[/italic]

It's all to obvious, R89, they're advised against consumption in shores that cannot handle seafood correctly as to avoid contamination. I don't think this would prohibit eating in countries with good food safety standards. No one wants to be around a perpetually defecating royal. So the family set up standards to avoid everyone's embarrassment.

[quote]The entire royal family is advised to never dig into a lobster, enjoy mussels fra diavolo, or imbibe in even a lowly shrimp cocktail because of its high risk of foodborne illness, BBC previously reported. And with their hectic worldwide travel schedule a case of food poisoning could wreak havoc on the royals, their support staff and their country hosts.

[quote{Beyond shellfish, the royals are also advised to avoid rare meats and tap water while traveling abroad to avoid any potential hazards.

Those rules apply when they're on duty, not the rest of the time.

Kate seems to love to cook, they may bond over a roasted chicken.

Oh, I didn't realise. When I read it, it just said no seafood and no garlic. Looks like Her Maj and I have something in common - "...the Queen has a no starch rule at dinnertime. “No potatoes, rice or pasta for dinner. Just usually something like grilled sole with vegetables and salad..”

The Queen invented the No Carbs diet.

The Git an Insider's Guide to Wearing Oscar de la Renta.

The feeling of an English breeze curling around my ankles like the silken tail of a cat. The ruffle of fine fabric like the sheerest gauze on the wound of a lover. The print resembled the finest antique chinoiserie vase like those I'd gazed upon in the Smithsonian. The fit was relaxed which is lucky as I'd indulged in far too many matzo balls the day before! And I must say dear readers, I did the dress justice. The crowd gazed adoringly upon the coyness in my step, paparazzi cameras flashing like fireflies on a balmy Tahitian night.

R75 and r96 are transporting us to billowing, fluffy yet textured heights.

That pasta intro is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.

She's too stupid that unctuous has negative connotations. What a fucking idiot!

*to realize that unctuous"

Unctuousness, right, the correctly spelled issue. right? How could Meghan be so stupid while being so self-seeking?

I'm going to incorporate tig-speak in all my comments (on another forum) about MM's clothing choices. See if any of the sugars notice.

Inordinately large swaths of cloth enveloping her sinuous lines and sumptuous, sylph-like figure, Meghan shyly acknowledges her ephemeral status in the British Royal Family, not knowing precisely what "ephemeral" means.

I would be entirely remiss, r101 in not expressing my profound spiritual gratitude to you for bestowing your literary luminescence upon this humble thread and lapping the shores of my drought-stricken cerebrum with your ebullient sesquipedalian circumlocution.

Meghan flatulently denies not knowing the correct meaning of words!

Definition of unctuous 1 : having, revealing, or marked by a smug, ingratiating, and false earnestness or spirituality

Perfect description for The Tig.

R73 - You nailed that one - succinct and perfectly expressed.

I really wonder what is going on behind the scenes. The BRF is all about survival, which depends on the great unwashed public remaining hypnotised and not realising the emperor is stark naked and always has been. Anything that threatens that must be suppressed, pronto. I imagine the courtiers, who wield a lot of power, unanimously hate MM. And I would love to know what the chief passengers on the gravy train, Charles, his siblings, their spouses and their offspring, have said to Harry. Have they told him to bail before she pulls the whole house of cards down?

I kind of feel sorry for her. She's trying to fit in and that's pathetic. And Harry doesn't think she's the epitome of class and cleverness R76. He only thinks he's made a mistake and is wondering how to turn back. In his tiny brain he realizes that it might not be such a good idea to have a baby with this woman because then he would be attached to her family forever and the BRF will disintegrate into an inconsequential joke. Annulment? Would that be worse? Can they just live separate live and not procreate?

At this point, R108, Harry would be better off relinquishing his place in the line of succession and moving to Florida with his bride.

R108 - I'd like to think you're correct, but if Harry was dumb enough to marry her, it's hardly likely he's already trying to figure out how to ditch her three months after the wedding, even if he is feeling doubtful, which is pure speculation. No one knows what he's really thinking, so I'd put money only on this: even if they are going through a rough patch, Harry would know that the PR disaster of an early separation and/or divorce would dwarf the problem of Pa and Sis Markle. More like he'd in this breather be trying to regroup and cement any early cracks in the marriage brought on by early pressures and blunders.

People tend to double down on their mistakes. Harry will be no exception. In fact, just as he (I suspect) thought having the exotic actress wife would help him tolerate the boredom and meaninglessness of his work, he'll move on to thinking a baby and a family will smooth over any regrets about his choice.

It's just the way people work.

Do you think she speaks the same way she writes?

R111 - Wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Dear God, pretentious doesn't begin to cover the bullshit in that blog.

There isn't anything about this woman that isn't manufactured, except, ironically, the family she wants to forget she comes from, but who won't let her do so.

Tend to agree, r110. But the cracks they're feverishly trying to wallpaper over will start to show sooner rather later. I think MM, for all her Tig, humanitarian, show biz bluster is a very insecure and emotionally needy person (clingy behaviour in public, approval seeking, consistently poor styling issues, etc) and will ramp up the intensity of the possessiveness the moment she feels he is straying or "casting his attentions elsewhere."

Harry is only 33. He's still got a lot of living to do with few responsibiities and a lot of temptation around him. He may look around and see his boyhood pals have done well to "marry up" with their wives impeccably well-behaved, well groomed, intelligent, and from stable backgrounds. MM - not so much.

If he brings kids into this volatile situation, he seals another emergency escape hatch.

He made his choice and now he's living with the dubious consequences.

I keep thinking of two old-timey sayings: “Marry in haste, repent at leisure” and “fools rush in where angels fear to tread”.

MM pulled off a major coup, closing that deal so quickly. Kudos to her for that.

Whoops! Pa Markle has done it again (can't find the Pa Markle thread anywhere): in a new interview with the Sun he's compared the RF to Scientologists, other cults.

A snippet of a long and lyrical Italian conversation, as overheard above the slushy crashing of lapping Venetian waves by Duchesszaaa Meghanzaaa...

Elizaaa: Zaaa! Za zaaa zaaazazaaa?

Alezaaandro: Zaaa zaaa zaaa zazaza.

Elizaaa: Zaaaa, zaaa za zazazaa?

Alezaaandro: Zaaa zazaaa zaa, Elizaaaaa! Zazzaaa za zaza za? Za.

LOL at r116.

Yes, R60, she's Scottish and as venal as they come, but at least Harry wasn't the fraudulent head of a banking enterprise whose nefarious activity led to the losses of thousands of working and middle class mortgages during the financial crisis as Mnuchin tidied up his millions. Even a royal as far removed and dense as Harry could see how horrific and immoral it all was.

Her dad's not saying anything bad about her. He talks about how he loves her. The only disparaging thing her dad said was that her mother taught her to use people (he said it in much nicer words).

The BRF is nervous for exactly the reasons other posters have mentioned: it's a house of cards that can't withstand scrutiny. And having a mouthy in-law pointing out that the BRF has no clothes will cause damage.

There were blind items that Meghan had slept with Mnuchin when he was investing in movies. Ratner too.

And then there's the Matt Lauer rumors and her mysterious appearances on the TODAY show (Z-list actress from cable show on TODAY?), in one cooking segment her secret recipe was to grill lettuce.

Find some of her appearances on YouTube: she matches the written word salad of her blog almost every time she opens her mouth. Her speeches are composed of a stream of aphorisms and platitudes piled on top of every virtue every signaled.

Lucky that Harry is a moron, because only a moron would be able to be around Meghan's self-aggrandizing palaver without shoving her hand into her mouth to stop it from moving.

No, actually, her dad's sabotaging her at every turn. Whether that's deliberate or the result of bungling is anybody's guess.

Datalounge, I employ you to live your best life today. You’re worth it. As my wise saffron-clad pal Dalai (Hello, Dalai!) once inferred unto my naively sightless ears, a life worth living best is a life worth living last. Wowza. So do try to have at least one Tig moment today. If you do, I promise you’ll enjoy a singular blissful blip in which your leaden soul is finally able to stretch its legs to their cumulative equine grace and you'll descend back inside our terra firma, soul fed. I know, girl. I’ve been there.

[quote]Several years ago I had a sip of wine called Tignanello (pronounced “teen-ya-nello“). But let’s be real – in the states most people said “tig-na-nello“…or just plain old “Tig.” The Italiano of it all gets a little tricky, so the bartender kept it simple; it was a glass of “Tig.“ So there I am, with very minimal wine knowledge and I take a sip of this wine. It wasn’t just red or white - suddenly I understood what people meant by the body, legs, structure of wine. It was an ah-ha moment at its finest. For me, it became a “Tig” moment – a moment of getting it.

[quote]From that point on, any new awareness, any new discovery or “ohhhhh, I get it!” moment was a “Tig” moment. At New York Fashion Week understanding that clothes aren’t just pieces of fabric, but that they can be art. So Tig. Traveling off the beaten track and hand diving for sea urchin in Jamaica – understanding that travel is adventure and discovery, culture and surprise. A Tig moment, indeed. And the same could be said for my love of cooking & dining, for cultivating friendships that inspire you, for the idea of “beauty” and what that means to us. An understanding that comes with living your life to the fullest so that it bursts at the seams. An unbridled joy. An insatiable curiosity. That’s what Tig means to me.

Ginger Dimwit probably thinks his kids with MM will be Harry Potter-type novelists, great Shakespearean actors, top gourmet chefs, tiny Nelson Mandelas - and so on.

Oh my God. Those TIG entries are unbearable. I love how "Pointy Snout" is affordable cavier - isn't it? I mean it's under $200! That's the world she's trying to show she belongs in. She's trying so hard to show that she casually knows the right everything - bread, wool throw, wine, etc., but is informed enough to not be swayed by $$ or labels - she just knows what's GOOD - you don't have to spend a fortune (just a small one!)

The worst is she stole all those references from the people around her, especially the food stuff.

The Daily Mail needs to reprint these blog entries. Just a few tig-bits every day, for weeks and weeks.

Point out one bad thing her dad has said about her, R120, beyond saying that her mother ( who told her not to give away the milk for free) had taught her how to use people.

It's obvious that her dad is suffering from some sort of early dementia or something, but he loves her with all his heart.

Meghan herself, had a screenshot of a text her dad sent her in 2013 telling her what a great job she'd done in a SUITS episode. So to all the MM sugars who claim that she's an abused child spinning beautiful fairy tales about her father because he was abusing her, stop, because there is physical proof, that Meghan provided herself, that her dad thought that she was the best thing ever.

She used her dad on social media, describing him as the same sort of paragon she presents herself as being - he is everything simultaneously. She did a gushing word salad of praise on instagram for Father's Day 2016. Up until 2016 he was the parent who made her - HER. If it's true they were on bad terms and she was bullshitting, then she used him. She used him for publicity - look at my show biz dad with all of these other compelling facets - I get my awesome from him!

How he's coming back and using HER. Good for him. She took all of his money and ghosted him, so if he wants to torture her in the media - hell, he taught HER, right? He knows how to keep the media on a chain, although he's more compelling than she is. The sugars want desperately for him to shut up and go away but it's not working. She REALLY blew it when she dropped that item about how the palace is going to get more "aggressive" about the Thomas Markle "Situation." Just you try it, honey.

Oh, have been watching Ramana Maharshi talk about narcissism on youtube (she says unlike sociopaths or psychopaths, narcissists are made, not born). She was describing four types of narcissism (grandiose - that's garden variety and the one I see the most of is plain old grandiose, not malignant), malignant (these people do real damage and are often heads of state, heads of business, etc.), and I forgot the third. But the fourth is new - "communal narcissists" - these are the people on instagram whose image is always perfectly "curated" to support their image. Even when they are dressed down or "not wearing make-up" it's picturesque and sexy. And the posts are all "It's animal rescue day!" Or some humanitarian thing. The bogus humanitarian is something a lot of people have really taken and run with in the past decade.

Oh, don't be dim, R125. He doesn't have to say anything "bad" about her to undermine her. All his foolish ramblings and idiotic pronouncements make her look bad and make her a source of trouble for the FR, whether he's doing this deliberately or not.

I wrote the Lizzy Wilson Pelly stuff in the last thread, R70. Yeah, she has the look, but the look is partly that her haircut is simple, not Pinterest-y, her make-up is understated but not in a painfully "executed" looking, youtube tutorial way, and she has good taste without seeming generic. Also projects maturity and self-confidence. It looks good on Guy Pelly that the bad boy of the British artistocracy/royal social circles ended up marrying someone like her. Yeah, she's an heiress, but there must be other eligible heiresses or two or three among his crowd.

I only pity you and all the other Sparkle defenders, R127.

If you can't love the parent who gave you everything, who was your champion in the world, who loved you more than it's almost humanly possible, just because he's having very obvious mental issues after you threw him into a global media frenzy without even having the courtesy to visit him, than you probably can't love anyone.

Unless you're a mind-manipulating sociopath like Donnie Fatso, most of the time in order to get love you have to give it. To cut off the father who nurtured you when he's mentally and physically ill, just to get ahead, is the behavior of someone who can't feel love.

And thanks R126. I've had to deal with a lot of narcissists in my life, some very powerful. What you posted was very informative.

Nobody is being dim, R127. She looks bad because she IS bad. She exploited him - made him up to enhance her brand, but when she closed the deal with the engagement, she made herself out as having moved past and grown out of her own father. She never offered him airfare or a hotel - and the wedding program was written knowing he wouldn't and couldn't come. I think he is rebelling against the slot she's put him in. He's her fucking FATHER and she relegated him to just another prop that she no longer needed. She is pumping out just as many stories as he is. She also fucking KNEW he was setting up those pap photos because SHE sets up pap photos, and one look at the photographer credit and you can see it's someone even she knows. It's an arrangement. She set up pap photos galore while she was still Harry's "secret" girlfriend, so the "My stars!" shock that he was doing the same is bogus. She does exactly what he does, just with her Tig-ish veneer.

@96: You made my day

A Dispatch from Death Country: The Tig on the Frontlines of America's Opioid Endemic

As a taciturn and fatherless Black child of Hollywood, I have munificently yearned in friable moments to dip a tippy toe into the soul-deadening milieu of my purported sire; to breath the redolent zeitgeist of his gray and desiccated times, as it were. Small-town Pennsylvania here we come. My graciously fulsome host enters a run-down store called a "Waffle House" and emerges with the caustic substance promising to transport me. Alas, no jeweled golden vessel contains its querulous id. No, for it is all quiescent ego in the humble form of a elixir known as Fentanyl. A fecundly apt name, perchance?

Suddenly, I am bombarded with sensations of storied past; my storied past. Bleatingly blaring horns threaten to envelop the marigold-yellow sky of a teaming metropolis at rush hour. I am catapulted into a new realm as an unctuous yet salubrious glue of sweet sea urchin streams down lugubriously and coats every millimeter of my twitching buccal mucosa in its briny salinity. Then, nevermore. I find myself in a grassy Tuscan meadow, turgidly twirling up into the effulgent stars as diaphanous armies of rosy-cheeked putti tether me to the serpentine planet of Earth by tentatively tugging on my insouciantly asymmetrical hem. Finally, I taste the verdant red and gold foliages of a land simply called "Vermont." So deceptively simple, yet so enigmatically complicated. Vermont.

Then.....nothing.

I groggily awake to corpulent brown eyes. Eyes that impeach me to stay with the person whose utterances have so invidiously jarred me from my propitious trek among the collective unconsciousness of my Universe. I surprise myself as no annoyance sets in, for I now see that I am gazing into the all-knowing eyes of mater. No. These are the world-weary eyes of an EMT with a community-college degree. How can it be? No. These are the eyes of Mother Africa, giver of life. Lachrymose tears warmly scald my turgid cheeks. I am home.

I am home.

R130, I don't believe you are able to back up your claim that she never offered him airfare, etc. Maybe she did/did'nt, but YOU have no inside knowledge on this point or any other. You make this shit up out of whole cloth, and it's pathetic. I never said she was a good daughter--don't know, not interested; don't like or dislike her--I said that the effect of Papa's nattering is to undermine Meghan. And as for the other sob sister poster(s) maundering on about what a good Papa he was to this ungrateful wretch, that may be true--or not--but you do not know anything about it. Stop spewing this fevered, overwrought crap about people YOU DO NOT KNOW.

She needs to shut up and get on with the dull business of cutting ribbons and visiting drop in centres. She can have a nice life if she accepts she's not going to be a star.

R132. That was so good. You need to start a thread along the likes of "Let's be a Tig Blog Entry".

Remember, this pretentious, overblown writing is the reason her royal crest design includes feathers and a songbird with an open beak. These symbols represent her ability to "communicate". Did she design that crest herself?

The Father's Day blog post is so weird. What went so wrong in two years time? Unless she already had thrown him away but was still using him to justify doing a cutesy-little-girl-type post. ("buckaroo", "whole wide world"? shudder...)

Please, she didn't offer him shit. No airfare, no accomodation. It was "Sure he's welcome to come and he's in the program!" but what the fuck is he supposed to do - get on a plane and find his own way to Windsor? She knew he wouldn't.

Please with "I don't like her one way or the other." You are coated in sugar.

So be it an Instagram post that tags #adoptdontshop with a photo of my rescue pups, a speech advocating for women’s rights, a trip to a refugee camp in Rwanda, or traveling to Afghanistan to support our troops overseas, these are facets of my life that I share with as much gusto as I do behind the scenes photos with my cast; perhaps more so. And while my life shifts from refugee camps to red carpets, I choose them both because these worlds can, in fact, coexist. And for me, they must. My eleven year old self would be proud, because while I may not have realized it at the time, I, in fact, have always had a foot in the world of entertainment as well as the world of public service; my life now is simply a more heightened version of the very reality in which I grew up. And, truth be told, it’s the most beautiful gift I never knew I always had.

INSUFFERABLE

I think the father's day post was her usual self-aggrandizing bullshit - nothing to do with him or their relationship. If he saw it, probably somebody else pointed it out to him.

There's a youtube video of Ms. Meghan back in the day. You know, the one where she lets us know that her ex-boyfriend gave her her car. The one with "Chanel, bitches!" The one with the apartment that is a slob's paradise - looks like a fucking hoarder lives there and she claims it's because she's moving. Total crap. That's not what a room looks like when you're moving - it's not organized in any "sorting through my stuff" way. It's a garbage dump. This is someone who only cares about the camera - what she looks like on camera. Focuses in what's in the frame even though a fraction outside the frame there are maggots chewing on leftover food in an advanced state of decay. Even when she puts her make-up on it's 2-dimensional - she doesn't blend past her freaking jawline. That's why there is such weird sloppiness and carelessness in her appearance. I really think that beyond narcissism she has other issues.

"And while my life shifts from refugee camps to red carpets" - good Christ she is a fucking POSTER CHILD. She is a parody. Take her out and shoot her.

In her head she's Angelina Jolie.

"....the most hardworking father you can imagine.."

This is pretty sad.

There was a regular column in satirical magazine Private Eye called Heir of Sorrows by Sylvie Krin. It was an account of Prince Charles’ life written in the overblown prose of a cheap romance novel. R132 et al are it’s natural successors. Brava.

She's a nightmare mixture of Goop and Angelina Jolie.

FACTS, R137. You have none. This is sob sister bullshit. Grow up.

R139 - Link, please.

Kate is not very articulate either.It was speculated that she never reads books.Yes she has 3 kids to raise but she spent her university days/her twenties mostly partying.None of these people are particulary intelligent or deep.Plenty of British actors are much more cultured and interesting than this generation of the BRF.

No one pretends Kate is very articulate but at least she doesn't show off her stupidity on some Goop-like blog.

Look at the sugar still here pretending they're not a sugar.

R134 Cutting ribbons? Fuck that. She needs to fill that uterus up quick.

Classic sugar-rot deflection: Point out Sparkle's less than desirable traits and they counter with, but, but... Kate! Just like Trump and his minions always fall back on the errant; but Obama, but Hillary!

It's bias fallacy at its finest.

Actually most of the Megham haters on Instagram are Trump supporters and they admire Melania.

Sure Kate is a gorgeous,educated,obedient wife but she's nothing special.There're far better women to look up to.All she does is shut up and look pretty.And have kids of course.She never even had a proper job.Why people worship this woman(or any other member of the royal families),I'll never understand.

Not sure where you get the idea that Kate is worshipped? And that may be your mileage on Instagram, doesn't make it a fact. You conflate a lot of disparate associations; but whatever, keep on confirming your own bias. Still doesn't make it fact.

Commoner at R135,

It is done. I am now minatorily seeking loquacious submissions.

“...I do behind the scenes photos with my cast;...”

HER cast. Get it, guys? They’re hers.

She is truly INSUFFERABLE!

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Oh dear god, that fucking blog, how is it even possible that she wasn't constantly attacked for its awfulness? How could anyone want to marry that blowhard?

Kill her now before she writes again.

Okay, reading that blog post upthread (R121) explaining that her blog is named after a particular wine (rather unconvincingly), I was reminded of what I thought was an interesting observation that another poster made several months ago, before the wedding. There are more and more hints that Meghan had set her sights on Harry before she actually met him. Well, Harry and William's favorite nanny was Tiggy Legge-Bourke, with whom he's still close. In fact, he made a point to introduce Meghan to Tiggy once the preparations for the wedding were in full swing. Princess Diana was famously cruel to Tiggy, because of her jealousy at Tiggy's closeness with William, Harry, and Charles.

For the Kate basic hater, Meghan has nothing extraordinary to propose too.

Everything about her is mediocre. She's pretty but that's all.

You don't see what Kate's fans find in her, fine. But I worry about why you find Markle so attractive.

But in Bean's case, it's Twiggy Legged-Dourke.

^^Is that first sentence an anagram?

The next time we will be hearing about the Duke and Duchess, they will be announcing the birth of their first child.

The Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex, learned a thing or two from his mother.

News blackout.

If only.....

Brava r161.

In manufacture parlance TIG stands for tungsten inert gas.

It is a process that utilizes a constant current welding power supply to generate an electric arc between the tungsten electrode and the work piece, using the resultant heat to create the weld.

R157 Her sister looks like Jessica Walter in Play Misty for Me in your post.

R167, Good job! Another crazed woman out for vengeance!

Oh dear R163, you forget Eug's wedding and the royal tour down under in October. Meghan won't be able to help herself for attention.

The Australia tour might be a good time to debut a new hairstyle.

R152 - shutting up and looking pretty and having the next generation of heirs is Kate's job, and she's done it well. She's not there to be a superior exceptional looked up to Better Than model - she's there to be reassuringl normal, to reflect the people back to themselves but just slightly upgraded; that's the genius of the Queen. The BRF got that charismatic superior gorgeous drama loving model with Diana, and you can see how that worked out for them.

Kate understands her job extremely well; understanding your job signifiies intelligence. Kate also has a degree in Art History from St. Andrews University., one of the world's well-regarded schools.

She's not only not stupid, she was smart enough to understand what it would take to hook the matrimonial prize of her generation and make him a very good wife and a very good mother for his children and a No Drama Consort.

I call that smart.

So far, MM hasn't been nearly as smart: she began causing drama a year before the engagement was ever announced by threatening the British press through Harry, as well as using her relationship with Harry to get herself a cover on a national magazine before an engagement, something Kate would never have done, MM's family has caused endless drama, and her clothing choices have basically stuck two fingers up to the citizens of the country she's aiming to become a citizen of herself and whose perks she's happily lapping up.

And according to Pa Markle, Harry thought Trump should be given a chance - go figure. As they say, politics makes strange bedfellows.

And, er, the UK posters here don't vote in America.

Harry never thought Trump should be given a chance. Harry is a friend of President Obama's.

The new American president should be given a chance is PR speak saying nothing.

R172 Pa Markle was really stirring up shit when he said that. That one was meant to hurt. Harry and William really showed what they thought of Trump when they ghosted him last month.

R163 he won’t be “The” Prince Henry until he’s the son of the monarch.

Sparkles will be very disappointed to learn of that, R174. She wants to be THE Princess Henry. Is there anyone she can write to and complain so that they change it?

r174, thank you Mistress, may I have another?

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How did he get in on a Facebook IP. I call BS on that.

Sparkle had been living with Trevor for years (7?) before marrying him.

After that amount of time, parents should not be paying for the wedding of their children.

And children should not allow them to. And certainly not allow them to contribute toward the cost of a destination wedding with money better spent saving for retirement.

His choice, of course.

But Sparkle should have said "No. Absolutely not."

She could take out a hit on Her Majesty, R175.

You’re welcome, R176 - any time.

Exactly, r179, many children don't allow their parents to continue spending money ( especially a lot of money) on them when they're out of college, grown up. Many people aren't comfortable with that and guess one reason? They know their parents are going to have a fixed income in retirement, and should save money. Another is many adults feel bad taking money from another adult. Meghan was quite old when she married Trevor.- I'm actually surprised he accepted it, too.

Tonga, which sits on the Ring of Fire - just had an earthquake - LOL!! Maybe they'll call off the whole trip to Australia.

Pops Markle is the gift that keeps on giving. I can't see him shutting up anytime soon.

R159 [quote]"Princess Diana was famously cruel to Tiggy, because of her jealousy at Tiggy's closeness with William, Harry, and Charles." [/quote]

There were widespread rumors at the time that Tiggy & Charles were lovers when Tiggy worked as Charles' private secretary. Diana famously accused Tiggy of having aborted Charles' baby. And D was already dealing with Camilla in Charles' bed, so it's not difficult to understand her dislike of Tiggy as William and Harry's nanny. To further underscore the Tiggy drama, Charles was papped kissing Tiggy in public on several occasions whilst nannying the boys. And this coming from a man who was not known for PDA's, but certainly known for his aristo 'entitlements' .

r179 I've been reading that the amount of time Sparkle was w/Trevor before marriage has been exaggerated.

I'm curious about what Daddy has to say about working in HW during the 80's.

He must have seen tons of scandalous stuff, and it would be more interesting that his Bean's and GingerDumb stories.

Pa Markle is getting under the skin of the BRF. The Sunday Times headline:

"Royal pair stay silent on outbursts by Meghan Markle’s father, Thomas"

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are refusing to be drawn into a war of words with Thomas Markle, as the duchess’s father criticised the royal family. Harry and Meghan “are not going to engage” with Markle or try to “set the record straight” by making public their attempts to offer him support. In Markle’s latest outburst he likened the royal family to “Scientologists”, describing them in The Sun as “secretive” and “cult-like”.

DM quotes the Times:

The newlyweds, who are said to be waiting for the 74 year old to approach them in a 'respectful manner', will not try to 'set the record straight', reports the Sunday Times. A source told the Sunday Times: 'Meghan doesn't think it's a fair game between her father and the media so she's not going to engage in it or instruct anyone on her behalf to set the record straight.

'There have always been fears over his vulnerability. Now he's got himself into a cycle of talking publicly. It's very sad.'

Prince Charles is said to be sympathetic towards Meghan's difficult situation, but a source has claimed the Queen will be 'rolling her eyes' over the state of affairs.

Haha, that's why her "close friends" talk, cause she doesn't want to engage with her father.

I cant read the original Times article without registering, did it really say the Queen is rolling her eyes? or was that just the usual DM confabulation.

A few DM comments (Don't know if UK public knows something not in general media):

1. Meghan has flown off to Canada alone, Kensington Palace wrote to Air Canada asking for the crew to ensure no one approached her or took photos of her. They've been married 3 months, she's already running away by herself to get sympathy from her friends.

2. Harry must pay for Murky's security. This morning (19th, exactly three months since the wedding) she left for Toronto Canada. No doubt Harry will fly after her, crying his eyes out. Pack it up Hazza because you cannot force the British public to think well of your phoney, cunning and selfish moo.

3. So. Meghan Markle has secretively escaped by herself to Toronto. And who paid her airfare and who is paying for her accommodation? DM.. get on the case. It¿s surprising that you haven¿t done an article on her arrival there. Sounds like she¿s got the secret service protecting her and given the press the slip. She¿s obviously gone to see her father and sort things out. The question is will she come back to London.

I can't read the Times either r189 only the small excerpt that I was able to see. As for the 'rolling the eyes", I don't know if that is DM "elaboration."

MM flies to Canada without Harry - Daily Star.

Harry is Home Alone. What can possibly GO WRONG?

Looks like the leak came from Air Canada regarding the request from KP to not approach or photograph her. Eyes everywhere.

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Eh, this is leading up to a teary daughter and dad reunion, probably in LA (don't think it would be in Mexico, too easy for leaks). Easier to fly into Canada, stay with a friend and then slip over the border anywhere.

Could also be prelim discussions with the mother in LA re moving to London. Then mother and daughter ganging up on dad to keep him quiet.

DM Comments:

They're pulling out the big guns in a show of unity, feels like panic mode in the light of Harry's escalating mess.

When there is bad press about Harry and Meghan, the Queen tends to get pictured going to church - great PR

Not sure why this is a news story other than to sell the RF to the public and undo the damage H & M have done

When the sh hits the fan, the family all pulls together to put on a United front.

Roll out PP to distract from the markle debacle! Their absence is noted! Trouble at mill!

Presumably she's shacking up with the Mulroneys.... if there's cops or black vans outside should be proof of it.

It's their Balmoral Sunday tradition, r196 and most family present generally attend. There's a junction on the road just before the church where the convoy of cars slows to make the tight turn. Locals, tourists and press photographers are free to loiter and get a good look. Fills the pages on a slow news day.

In today's DM, her diplomat uncle finally speaks out. The one who pulled strings to get her the internship of a lifetime. He has MS, but says he would have walked her down the aisle if asked. But he was not invited.

You can access her blog with the wayback machine. Choose the date to read and it brings up a snapshot of the site from that day.

There is too much negative press coming out about MM. I spotted the Uncle's story yesterday, r201. The Palace couldn't have Harry travel with her to Canada as they couldn't control the publicity especially once out of the country.

I wouldn't be surprised if Doria flies up to Toronto as more international travel by MM would just generate more publicity. I think the visit will be confined to Canada then back to the U.K. They could have Pa Markle fly up to Canada.

We know, r200.

The uncle, r201, is clearly hurt and it doesn't look good for MM for the public to see the picture of this frail gent and hear his story. The article refers to him living in Florida, in a 'modest trailer park'. Surprising for a 'retired diplomat'. Does anyone else think there seems to be something slightly off about everyone we read about on that side of the family?

Link to 'uncle' story.

One thing I do believe is that Meagain doesn't know/can't know what to do now. In fairness to her, the screws loose father of hers was to be part of the wedding til he wobbled or whatever he did, so she had a lid on that... but maybe he would have fallen victim to reporters offering sympathy anyway.

But now how can she reach out to him? Whatever she says, he blabs everything.

Maybe the only thing left to do is to let the mess run its course until the fever breaks and the Markles are just dull. Ultimately you can only milk the she's-so-awful cow for so long... after that only new arrests and such will be of any interest. And the inevitable will-she-go-or-won't-she? when the bucket of extra crisp diet takes its toll and Pa Markle is fitted for his oversize casket.

I wonder... in terms of her misbehaving family, did she know it was going to get this bad and decided as long as he marries me they have to ride it out, or is she going holy fuck with the rest of us?

she must have known what they were capable of, but she may have hoped they'd behave and be as stunned as everyone else.

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^Looks anxious about avoiding paps toes.

She's a narcissist, she didn't see or care how much she was hurting or offending people.

I wonder if it would ever come down to Harry being given an ultimatum - either renounce your place in the RF or separate from MM. I'm sure the thought has crossed several royal minds.

I'm even wondering if while MM is out of the BRF's way, some courtier is currently packing up her bags including bad clothes and shipping it all off to the U.S. C.O.D.

The BRF wants less drama, not more drama.

They gonna act like always, they gonna ignore the weekly drama and hope for the best.

R210 WTF you talking about? their faces always look that way? Camilla is looking smug as always and Charles looks like he's drank too much gin and a bit confused about where he is.

I honestly don't think the rest of the BRF care that much about the scandal because A) it keeps the press off their backs for a few months and B) They probably don't like Meghan that much, if The Tig is anything to go by they probably thinks shes incredibly pretentious & secretly hoping the marriage fails. If the BRF and the palace cared they'd have intervened with the family situation much sooner, they would have given her proper etiquette lessons (the handshake faux pais/not knowing who gets in the car first on the trip with the queen) & given her access to better staff... although she could have refused all of that, which if so, is her own fault.

Following on from the ever-developing MM fiasco are we all feeling a little less respect towards the BRF?

That is Meghan all over, that "Handling it gracefully." and "respectful manner." She's constantly tacking and jibing in response to discussion on tumblr and other forums.

R217 - yes. There is no there, there. Whenever I'd read commentary on the royals, I knew it was bullshit. It was always speculation disguised as an edict. "The queen forbids this or that" (everything from colored nail polish to bare legs to merching). But it's like the fucking U.S.A. If someone goes, "Oh yeah? I"m gonna do it anyway!" The queen does nothing.

She has been a great queen herself, as these things go, but a horrible mother. Her being a horrible mother and grandmother has set in motion the end of the monarchy. If one of her kids or grandkids is a heaping pile of a garbage heap, she smothers the stench in titles, honors, and responsibilities. She's the number one enabler. Harry ended up leaving the military because he refused to take the written part of the process that would make him a major. He knew he wouldn't pass. Then he got an honorary major title from the queen. Whenever I see the men of that family in full dress uniform its disgusting. They are all bullshit Disney medals, tin soldier medals the queen just bestowed because they couldn't or wouldn't cut the mustard with the real thing.

Also have read that Harry's heroics and abilities in the helicopter arena have been bigged up an exagerated. I guess we see with Markle that he never ever matured. If he had, he wouldn't be hanging out in Soho house, banging random actresses, and then marrying one. What a moron. Everybody else turned him down, so he chooses to marry a woman who has no back-up, noplace to go, no fallback plan, no money, and will cling like a barnacle. I guess he deserves it.

I think he's a spoiled bitch, and Markle is just a mirror of who he has become. He's pouty and sulky that he's not William. I think he's jealous of William's marriage without being willing to do what William did to achieve that marriage - William actually put thought into the process with Kate before putting a ring on it (they married at age 29 - no "waity Katy anything" about that. It's not their fault they met and fell in love early). I think he wants to be important, to be a celebrity, and if he has to be a celebrity via negative attention or even destroying the monarchy by exposing it as an impotent reality show, he will.

R216 how do you know she wasn’t given lessons but still fucked it up anyway? I read somewhere she had been assigned people to teach her this stuff. As for intervening with her family, wasn’t it made clear that Harry and his grifter had decided they knew better than the professional staffers and were directing the show?

All you need to know is in the Tig.

Does the Tig writer sound like she needs help? Hell, no. She's already fucking perfect, please.

Courtiers may want to help her, but she doesn't think she needs the help.

I agree with most of your post,R219, but not this:

>>>>...if he has to be a celebrity via negative attention or even destroying the monarchy by exposing it as an impotent reality show, he will.

I think he's shocked and hurt at the tremendous public backlash against his wife and by extension, him, or rather the public's stubborn refusal to accept the narrative that he and MM have presented. This is a brand new event for Teflon Harry and he is facing all bad options. He can either bail on his marriage or bail on his position. Either way he looks like a big, dumb loser. One option he does not have is suppressing the destructive Markles or the press.

I can't believe that the RF did not do serious investigation of Sparkle before the wedding. And that would have included her family, although I don't think one could have predicted their huge negative reaction after the fact.

The problem comes down to Sparkle herself. They way she has treated and abandoned people.

If you are an anonymous actress, you can bitchily drop people right and left - it's probably done all the time - and that behavior might be expected.

But she moved way, way out of the Hollywood environment into a level of publicity that she might have craved without understanding the power of the microscope that was all a part of that publicity machine.

And she, who was snarky to the reporter who didn't treat her with the "respect" she as a minor actress felt she deserved, was stupid not to understand that snarky can go both directions. Can't you hear the "respect" echo in this recent statement about how they want her father to get in touch "respectfully". Did Harry treat Pa respectfully by not even meeting him before the wedding? Did Sparkle treat her father respectfully by insisting that her future husband meet her father? No. No respect on their side, but they demand it for themselves.

And in addition, you live by social media, and all those dopey self involved posts only reinforce how much of a boob and phony you are.

Add to that the friends and family who knew you when - who thinks that if Sparkle had been in their place that she wouldn't have gone for any money and publicity that she could have collected.

All the apples fell from the same tree.

She dished it out and now has to take it.

If she gave an interview saying, “I made a mistake in not being more considerate towards my father. I was under so much pressure, I just wasn’t myself these last few months” this would all be resolved.

She’s probably too egotistical to do this, though.

And there’s still a small chance she has good reason for freezing him out (abuse, etc) She should have been more clever about it, though.

r224 Likely it would just end up feeding the beast. The problem is not just with her father. Other people from her life are commenting now. Like the diplomat uncle. Why didn't she invite the uncle who helped get her a rather nice internship to the wedding?

So MM has a paternal uncle with Parkinson's disease, a paternal half-sibling with MS, a paternal half-sibling with addiction issues, and Pa Markle?

Could the big secret that MM is hiding be that she might have emerged (allegedly) from a genetically troubled gene pool? Does anyone know about the health of The Raglands?

Interesting point R226. Doria looks great, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. She is indeed one half of a very dodgy gene pool. If those two were smart, HAH!, and wanted some good PR, they could adopt a set of twins from Africa.

I'm starting to think the courtiers who control the message are good in the day-to-day scheduling stuff but when a big crisis erupts, they are just as ineffectual as when Diana died and the Queen stayed up in Balmoral because after all, Diana wasn't part of the royal family anymore. How much of that cluelessness came from the Queen vs how much came from moribund staff inertia, I don't know.

I also think there's a lot of sniping and finger-pointing between the Queen's people and Charles' people and Harry's people. I agree that Harry probably said his people would handle everything so the Queen backed off. She's 93. She lived through WWII and a shitton of real crises since then. What's happening now is embarrassing but it's basically bad public relations and not nearly as bad as Air Miles Andy's exploits; one scandal involved *selling access*.

Yes, the BRF let Harry have his way and were blindsided by Pa Markle and family. Up until then, None of them ever had cause to talk to the press. There weren't any negative stories about her at her first wedding or gossip during her time on Suits. Nobody had heard of her so nobody cared. MM thought she was the shit but she was C list at best. She hadn't seen her relatives in years. But funny how dating a prince gets everyone all worked up. Suddenly the press comes around and whoops, now they have something to say.

It's likely the half sister read the blog, seething with every insufferable post.

Good post r228 One thing, the Queen is 92. Normally I wouldn't care to correct, but I want her around for as long as possible, considering the crap options.

Yes, the Tig makes me want to push MM down a flight of stairs, imagine how it must make her sick, wheel-chaired older half-sister feel? I read that Samantha (Yvonne) used to model. Her own mother and daughter have abandoned her.

R230 I agree about the flight of stairs. It is painful, horrible drivel. It does make me wonder what she is like in "real life" or as real as it gets for her. Come, vent some spleen here:

r190, you do know that Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex is rich in his own right, do you not?

Really rich.

If she is really headed to Canada, I hope she purchased some of her own security / bodyguards. Because with all of this shit flying around her, and more threatening to come out, it would be the perfect time for a little...tragic accident.

One of the articles reporting Meghan has headed for Canada has Harry still in Botswana. This is the three month anniversary of their wedding and these newlywed lovebirds are a mere 8000 miles apart!

Harry and Meghans' pupils have been very dilated a couple times, Meghan's during her Invictus ceremony debut, so there are blinds that she's done drug runs out of the UK and her new status gives her immunity from pesky things like Customs.

Exactly, r233. I'd stay clear of the Gardiner Expressway - tendency for cars to get crushed by falling rusted out concrete debris.

State of Toronto's Gardiner Expressway where it is not unusual for cars to get crushed by falling bridge debris.

Oh god r236 that mess gives me flashbacks to the bridge collapse in Genoa. Yikes!

I'm actually surprised the Gardiner Expresway has held up (more or less) all these years. It's a real eyesore on the Toronto waterfront, r237.

Whether Ginger Dimwit is in Africa or holed up at Balmoral, MM is still travelling alone to a foreign country - Canada - which is not her native country. She could be seeking comfort, a break or better still, fashion advice.

Normally, newlyweds are together 24/7, especially on anniversary dates. They WANT to be seen together especially these two fame w***** so it is curious that MM (or the Palace) is requesting a complete news blackout for the trip to Toronto.

Things are getting curiouser and curiouser.

Video link posted on Part 7 of Dangling Tendrils (Post 50) showing " Meghan, in full-on Valley Girl mode, being completely rude to an interviewer, as she chews gum! " has been taken down.

Meghan Markle As Fashion Expert On The TODAY Show. LOL!!

R240 That's disturbing. She's quite the little "cleaner" isn't she? I'm actually surprised it was ever unearthed though. She must DESPISE the fact her stupid blog lives on in the Wayback Machine. Possibly not for long though.

Unclench! She's in Canada for a series of wardrobe fittings for the Australian tour. The last time she went to the Invictus Games you haters screamed because she wore a thin cotton shirt and jeans that exposed her adorable little knees. I'm guessing your complaint was that it was inappropriate for the weather? Whatevs.

Anyway, she's like soooo fed up with your jealousy that she's going to wear something that no one can say is too summery for October in Sydney (which, btw, is right near the South Pole....brrrrr!). She's not giving you any more ammunition. Boom!

So now what?

Wardrobe fittings in Canada? Why isn't she having wardrobe fittings in London where she lives?

Well that would be funny if she's doubling down on the No British Designers and getting properly fitted for her freebies.

Actually that MM interview was disturbing on so many levels, r242. Being exceptionally petulant for catching him glancing at upcoming actors WHILE she was talking(!) to the point of stopping the interview and rearing her head; mocking his spelling mistake on air; sarcastic questioning of where he was educated; carrying that sarcasm into a dark non-humorous joke as she stares directly into the camera so as to belittle and discredit him further.

It was awful to watch.

The wardrobe fittings in Canada makes sense. And that would explain the Palace request to not have her photographed travelling to Canada. But why wouldn't Harry tag alone for a fun trip? It's not like he has to be at a desk job on Monday.

tag along

R247 Please explain how having wardrobe fittings in fucking Canada makes sense? Why not go to LA and visit her mother while she's at it. LA, home of wardrobe fittings in the US.

My understanding is that Harry is still in Africa, which is odd. Everything with these two is odd.

Jessica Mulroney, r250. Hapless style maven to Meghan.

Meant that for r249

R243 are you trolling? October in Sydney is the Austral spring. 5he dates she will be there this fall is highs in the 70s. Very much like late April weather in her native LA. If she wears dark autumn clothes she will be slammed for being clueless and inappropriate yet again

Be gone Sugar.

Wow. The DL of 2018 is a troll's paradise.

Now, about that bridge I'm about to put on the market...

Is the Mulroney girl unable to leave Canada?

Her gay husband needs her to care for the kids while he entertains friends, r255.

Maybe both Harry and MM are in Canada right now meeting with Pa Markle and Doria. Hence the heavy news blackout request. They may have picked Canada for the emergency Markle meeting as the press tends to respect privacy and is less intrusive than other countries.

The Harry in Botswana trip parallel story may be planted to deflect attention, keep everyone confused and attention off what is really going on - in Canada.

I’m the “Today” clips, she manages to have her hair out of her face.

So, it can be done....

I'm Meghan's hands, overworked and overtired from constant gesticulating.

My conspiracy theory is this:

There was that awful business with the "alleged" blackmail that had "proof" of her doing who knows what. This was around the time of the Ireland trip. Harry goes off to Africa to throw his fits, while Meghan goes to Canada to pay off her blackmailer via that Markus guy.

[quote]Harry ended up leaving the military because he refused to take the written part of the process that would make him a major. He knew he wouldn't pass.

So this was why he left the military. I'd wondered since Harry seemed content having a useful role in the military and the departure seemed rather abrupt. I'm surprised the RF couldn't finagle a passing score or arrangement with the army. Or at least arranged tutors and ordered him to study and take the damned exam. How hard could it be if he was drilled and well-prepared?

You can well ask, R261.

Perhaps it wasn't important enough to him to actually WORK for it.

[quote]Speaking previously about the soldier, Harry told of how he had been left devastated after being pulled out of Afghanistan 10 weeks into his tour when foreign media broke a news blackout on his presence there.

[quote]He said: "I was broken. I didn’t know what was going to happen to them (his fellow British soldiers) and suddenly I find myself on a plane that’s delayed because a Danish soldier’s coffin was being put into the plane."

[quote]Speaking ahead of the Invictus games in Toronto, he said: "As I was waiting to board the plane, the coffin of a Danish soldier was loaded on by his friends. "Once on the flight, I was confronted with three British soldiers, all in induced comas, with missing limbs, and wrapped in plastic. "The way I viewed service and sacrifice changed forever. And the direction of my life changed with it."

The stories about Prince Harry's service in the military include many conflicting accounts. I've read repeatedly, though, that he was pulled off of active duty because his position in Afghanistan was reported by an Australian newspaper, putting his unit at risk.

There are plenty of dim majors in the British Army. I'm not buying that story about Harry.

Granny and Grandpa are in their 90s and have been slowing down on royal duties for several years. Grandpa's retired altogether. Charles wants the "official" BRF to be streamlined down to himself, his wife, his sons and their wives and kids. I guess Anne, Andy and Edward will stay on the payroll and perform official duties but I'm not sure.

Whether this plan will actually work or if they'll need the Yorkies, who knows?

Since Anne is the hardest working (most engagements per year) and the best liked of the RF, I find it hard to believe that Charles would take Anne out of the equation.

If he did, he'd be a fool and she would probably not care at all and live the rest of her life out of the limelight. I don't know about Edward, but I've never sensed any hostility about him. Who knows?

I agree on Anne, Sophie seems to do a lot of appearances but I never see Edward. Andrew is just a pill. He's always been a jealous drip and everyone would be thrilled if Charles packed him off to Verbier with Fergie.

Big whoop as Prince Henry can be appointed an Admiral or some such.

Andrew never move up in the military and you would have thought he won the Falkland War alone.

Leave British War heroes alone.

Harry will be fine.

Sophie and Anne both are honoured with the Royal Family Order of Elizabeth II, which is supposed to be bestowed for service to the Crown. Kate, Camilla, Princess Alexandra and the Duchess of Gloucester are also awarded that order. Diana had also been awarded that order, but Fergie never was.

MM could have just done a bank transfer, r260. Why would she go to "Canada to pay off her blackmailer?"

Betty will be handing them out like hot cakes before she dies.

Princess Charlotte may be the youngest recipient of a family order in history. She will collect E2R, C3R, W5R, G7R and possibly Georgies child's family order.

Charlotte will be a resplendent Princess Royal.

Charlotte will also be Queen, albeit at an advanced age and briefly, assuming George is a confirmed bachelor.

If Georgie is gay, all he has to do is pump out one legitimate child.

Marriage, IVF, child(ren), divorce and out. [what Charles mostly did.]

Charlotte will never be a regnant queen.

I wonder if MM's trip is a forced trial, informal separation until the BRF figures out what to do with the Markles. And a way to get Harry back from self-imposed exile in Africa. Might account for the special request that no one speak/photograph her in case she bursts into tears publicly.

The dim majors nevertheless passed the written requirements to become majors. And I think you pulled the "dim" stuff out of your ass. There probably AREN'T dim majors. There may be some who are dim in one aspect of their intellect or other, but they are probably very decent at major-ing, or at least qualifying for the credentials that one must possess to become major. Harry is a dumb ass, hates written tests, and since he had to take one to become major - he quit.

Harry is NOT extremely wealthy in his own right. None of the non-heirs are. They are all "wealthy" inasmuch they possess the income from trusts endowed with various millions, but these trusts don't generate millions in income. A royal has perks, access, wealthy friends, free lodging, and, in the case of William and Harry, Daddy's allowance. If Harry were wealthy in his own right Charles would not be paying for their more expensive lifestyle accoutrements, such as their polo ponies, and the queen would not be gifting them with residences, as they could purchase and fit out their own, as Charles does for himself (Charles actually is very wealthy).

There is a piece of bullshit making the rounds that the Queen Mum left her cash to her GREAT grandchildren, with bonus amounts for poor, poor, poor Harry. Harry must be the only fucking spare ever born, the pity his fans take upon him. "Oh Diana left him more money than William!" No, no and no. The Queen Mum left her cash split among her GRAND children. Poor dear Harry, so hard done by because he is not the spare, split Diana's estate evenly with William. And he gets Daddy's allowance. And the lodging at KP and whatever perks QM bestows. Pull all the extras out from under him and he's got an income of a bit short of half a million a year. Should he quit being a prince, which he will not, let's see him live the high life on that income, particularly if it's taxed at the rate Britain likes to tax.

Is this why Meghan is a "sugar?" Meghan's insufferable Tig post about Chocolate Petit Gateaux that is is sugary it's enough to cause diabetes: From 2/9/2015's Tig post:

"Oh, how I love the ritual of cooking. Baking…not so much. There’s something about the technicality of it that stifles my inner rebel; no dash of this or extra spoonful of that. There’s a science to baking and the measurements matter ever so much. Suffice to to say, when I do decide to make a go at the whole baking thang, it needs to be worth it. It needs to be soul-satisfying like a good hug on a bad day. And, clearly it needs to taste unquestionably delicious. Be it Valentine’s Day, or any other day where you want to treat yourself (or your honey) to a little…well, sugar - this chocolate cake, with its gooey center and picture perfect presentation, is a no-brainer. All my baking quandaries go out the window when I roll up my sleeves to make this one. Serve with ice cream, fresh berries, or just perfectly on its own."

MeAgain was such an Anglophile fan she sought out the perfect afternoon tea for The Tig in 2015. Yeah right, she knew nothing about the BRF.

"One afternoon in the 1840s, Anna, the Seventh Duchess of Bedford, complained of that “sinking feeling” in her stomach. She was brought a pot of tea and light snack in her boudoir to relieve her hunger pangs. The Lady loved her little snack so much that she began inviting her friends to join her (and Anna must have been one popular gal, because before long, this pause for tea became a seriously fashionable social event). Nowadays, we may not be not putting on our white gloves, heavy corsets to sip some tea at 4pm, but the tradition (with some minor modern improvements) still remains very relevant – especially when the late afternoon lethargy sinks in. The Tig sat down with Tea Sommelier (who knew?!), Kiley Holliday, of the Bosie Tea Parlour to see how to create that perfect afternoon tea service. And the best part of sitting down for teatime? Well, you’ll just have to read on to find out."

She also had a recipe for her “signature” Pimm’s Cup, r276. I’ll see if I can find it.

[quote]Sun kissed afternoons, cocktail in hand, surrounded by nothing but the laughter of your closest mates, an Otis Redding playlist, and the whistling breeze of the wind. I’m talking about perfection, people. The perfection that comes with summertime. Picnics and barbecues, laying out by the pool with friends, and toasting to the season are high on my list. And while I generally opt to whet my whistle with a glass of rosé or crisp Sauvignon Blanc, sometimes the day calls for a cocktail. Cue The TIG Cup. Having a love of all things Brit, I wanted to do a twist on their signature Pimm’s Cup. Using cues from the season, with fresh and vibrant farmers’ market ingredients, this drink will whet your whistle and keep you cool during those long summer days turned nights. This is a guaranteed crowd pleaser, and a nod to the fresh picked flavors of the season. Cheers!

R268 Kate doesn't have it, it's the other Katherine, the duke of kents wife that's in the family order. None of the granddaughters or the wives of the grandsons (MM, Kate, Autumn) have been invited in & probably won't be while the Queen is still alive. R270 If Charles continues the tradition then Charlotte won't be allowed in the order til William is on the throne, or like Princess Anne, will receive it when she's 18+. You're right about Fergie tho, for some reason she never received the honour after marrying Andrew.

Fergie and Andrew were only married for six years and the marriage foundered before the split. Probably the Queen knew there was trouble and held back on giving her the order.

[quote]“The Dud Avocado” by Elaine Dundy – I always go back to this book for summer reading because it’s light and fun, and exactly what I want when I’m laying on a beach. I love opening the pages and finding little flecks of sand from vacations past. It’s set in the 1950s and about an American girl in Paris who lives wildly and fully, and runs a muck. The main character Sally Jay Gorce is everything – a little Carrie Bradshaw, a little Holly Golightly, a lot of likable. One of my favs.

The American girl in Paris runs a muck. The American girl in London runs a scam.

And then there’s “laying on a beach.”

R89 - no seafood in order to avoid food poisoning. No one would like to see MM in those white, oversized pants were she to have a case of the green apple splatters, and follow through.

R111, what, with her newly acquired, fake English accent?

Lots of other things can cause food poisoning, eg, chicken, pork, cream pastries. I haven't touched an alfalfa sprout since all those people died some years back.

r274, Harry inherited directly from his mother's estate. He is wealthy in his own right. Diana knew that Wills would be in line for the throne and she, AND the Queen Mother , endowed Harry disproportionately. Your Harry hate does not change this. Unlike Charle's brothers and sister, Harry is the first spare in centuries to have his own cash. He need beg no one for anything.

From R281

[quote] ...who lives wildly and fully, and runs a muck

Oh, wow! It (blog entry) really shows that!!!

Northwestern should take back their degree.

Hilarious!

Meg's first encounter with Misha Nonoo in 2014. She the one everyone speculated introduced her to Harry on their "blind date." Her own words on the TIG.

"This past december at Art Basel in Miami, I met the lovely Misha Nonoo. And by “met” I mean danced the night away and sipped cocktails with, and by “lovely” I mean – chic, badass, and cut from the cloth of those who don’t take themselves too seriously. The kind of woman you instantly adore. With NYFW right around the corner, I knew I wanted to go and support Misha and see her new collection. Little did I know an orchestra would be the soundtrack to the looks down the line, or that the collection would be as covetable as they come. She outdid herself – and that was just from my bird’s eye view from the front. As with all things chef-y, design-ish, art-esque, and in the world of fashion, I want to understand the thinking behind it – the process, the inspiration, the “why?’ I sent The Tig Team backstage to cover the behind the scenes action, and the nuts and bolts of what makes Misha Nonoo tick."

Here’s Diana’s will:

[quote]SUBJECT to the payment of discharge of my funeral testamentary and administration expenses and debts and other liabilities I GIVE all my property and assets of every kind and wherever situates to my Executors and Trustees upon trust either to retain (if they think fit without being liable for loss) all or any part in the same state as they are at the time of my death or to sell whatever and wherever they decide with power when they consider it proper to invest trust monies and to vary investments in accordance with the powers contained in the Schedule to this my Will and to hold the same UPON TRUST for such of them my children PRINCE WILLIAM and PRINCE HENRY as are living three months after y death attain the age of twenty five years if more than one in equal share PROVIDED THAT if either child of mind dies before me or within three months after my death and issue of the child are living three months after my death and attain the age of twenty one years such issue shall take by substitution if more than one in equal shares per stripe and the share that the deceased child o mine would have taken had he been living three months after my death but so that no issue shall take whose parent is then living and so capable of taking

And as for the Queen Mother

[quote]Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother has bequeathed her entire estate (which mainly comprises the contents of her houses) to The Queen.

Philanthropy at its finest. Ms. Tig lets her poors in on a little secret: that they too can eat at Jean Georges, but ONLY at lunch. And don't go getting your unwashed heads all inflated with dreams of the grandeur about which I've just vomited sixty increasingly florid adjectives! You'll have the pea soup, fish, and strawberry shortcake and you'll be bloody grateful that I'd even deign to tell you about this. Understand??

[quote](Also note that outside of the grandeur of our meal, Jean Georges offers a three course $32 tasting menu at lunch, where if I were you, I would order the sweet pea soup with parmesan to start, then the black bass, and the strawberry shortcake for dessert. But that’s just me).

The "Tig team", there was several people behind this scam?

How could she pay a team to work for her?

Where does this woman get these pretensions? Made me laugh when she bragged about coming from LA. Better than East Bumfuck, Iowa, I suppose.

Interesting, but it does not negate that Harry inherited directly from his mother's estate and he has personal capital that his aunt and uncles never had.

He is independently wealthy.

His wealth is estimated upwards of $35 million dollars.

That's surprisingly low, considering who he is.

Only 35 mill?!😂😂😂 (Laughs in billions)

I would be more than happy with those 35 millions, but I don't have a taste for luxury and polo ponies.

Add in all the free furnished housing in multiple residences of the most desirable kind, bills paid, free travel in at least business class, clothing allowance, expense account, and who knows what else.. But if PH decides to jump ship, all that remains is his meagre USD35 mil. And it's not like he knows how to earn a living, apart from his stint in the army.

At least he saves money on shoes?

It is actually a big deal that Kate still does not have the Family Order. Sophie does, Most others do. I don't think HM will grant it to her during her lifetime. Waity's nickname did not come about for no reason. She is a lazy old sow.

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R299 Triggered Sugar Alert!!!!!!

[quote] since he had to take one to become major - he quit.

Link, please. I haven't seen that anywhere.

R299 She doesn't seem to like giving honours to the grandchildrens generation, i don't know why, it's not as if it's tradition, she (& Margaret) received a family order from her grandfather when they were really young. William and Harry are the only grandchildren to be given membership to an order and even Harry's is a lower class Knight in a lower class order. Kate, or Meghan or Autumn, getting one would be seen as an insult to her granddaughters.

R284 - hey, just going by what Camilla recently told Masterchef Australia.

[quote] She is a lazy old sow.

This is a misconception. Compared to Charles and Diana, William and Kate are doing twice as many appearances as Prince and Princess of Wales did at the same stage of their careers and Kate managed to do this while she was pregnant and had hyperemesis gravidarum that produces extreme morning sickness. I posted the stats comparing their appearances on behalf of the RF in the previous thread. I guess Charles and Diana's preoccupations kept them from their duties.

I'm binge watching the most recent season of MasterChef Australia right now, R305. Camilla is going to show up and talk about food poisoning?

I'm quite looking forward to that.

R287 good find. I just love how Smeg casually slips in about her view from the front row of the fashion show.

R228 the queen stayed at Balmoral to be with her grandsons who had just lost their mother. She thought their wellbeing was more important.

R306 - you’ll LOVE it! They serve Prince Charles all these native delicacies, including an ant garnish!

Other than the sugars claiming she went to Toronto for "fiytings" for the Australia trip (which would just seem to back up her merching claims with Jrssica Mulroney and foreign designer freebees)), do we know if Meg is indeed in Canada and why? Harry seems out of this mess by staying in Africa. Most newlyweds on their three month wedding anniversary would want to be together. These two are literally continents apart? Maybe finally Harry has woken up into the nightmare he caused the BRF by marrying an aging American actress with grifting habits., social climbing desires and a super shady past.

How long has Harry been in Botswana now? Ten days?

R293 - wealth that is tied up in trusts is not the same as wealth one can actually lay hands on. The trusts were carefully set up, and Harry lives off the income, which is about £400,000. Harry also pays taxes. What he's "worth" and what he actually can spend from year to year are two different entities. Charles's revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall are still underpinning both his son's households, paying for most of their expenses associated with "work" - staff, their wives' wardrobes, maintenance of their homes, and the Sovereign Grant pays for any work related travel. This way the boys can use their money for expensive cars, polo ponies, redecorating those homes when they marry and have kids, and whatever else takes their fancy.

No one touches the principal in trusts like these.

I'm aware of that r308 but there was also the feeling that Diana was no longer part of the royal family and that the queen was mystified by the very un-British outpouring of grief and calls for her to "show us you care" because that kind of performative demonstration was unimaginable to her.

Sugars calling Kate a "lazy old sow" whilst overlooking the fact MM in all her boxy-middle stick-legged form is and always will be the oldest among the droll fab four--and the squattest. Moreover, with three kids five and under Kate's figure is more sylph-like with a lovelier bust line than Bean could ever hope on her own stiletto hunched frame. Forget that the lazy moniker sugars zealously dislocate their shoulders upon is misleading and wholly unsubstantiated.

One can dislike both Waity and Sparkle, R314. Somehow, I have managed to. Both grifters, but the Middletons were vastly cannier and more methodical.

Sparkle and Haz are going to break their summer break by attending the play Hamilton, for the second time. It's a benefit for Harry's Lesotho charity, Sentabale. Not going to drive traffic to the race-baiting DM, but the article about it is on there.

Hmmm, a gala benefit for an African, not British, charity after a summer of ? Well, the DM is also reporting that Hazza and his bride enjoyed a mini-moon at the Italian estate of George and Amal...CLOONEY! What number mini-moon is that?

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Whenever someone says something slightly negative about Kate,that person is accused of being a Meghan lover.That's just ridiculous.

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R319 - this thread is about MEGHAN not Kate but the Sugars keep bringing her up for some reason.

The interview in which Meghan is an over-the-top bitch to an entertainment reporter instagram link still works for me, but here's another link to the same interview.

Start at the 4:40 mark or you'll want to slit your own throat .

Sorry, that's the wrong link, here's the link to the interview where Meghan is a jerk to an entertainment reporter. Start at 4:40 if you want to retain your sanity.

R319 Go create your "KATE SUCKS SO MUCH MORE" thread if you're not a happy camper.

R281 I hurt myself more than a little , laughing at that..

So HazBean spent a "mini-moon" at the Clooneys' Lake Como estate free loading on behalf of Hollywood associates? How very Duke & Duchess of Windsor of them.

I see Meghan's PR team is leaking stuff like crazy.

H&M must be furious their PR ain't working.

Whenever someone says something slightly negative about Meghan, that person is accused of being a racist, an insanely jealous hater, a Kate lover, and/or Samantha. That's just ridiculous.

IN that video interview she says there are times she doesn't like playing her character on Suits "because she cries more than anyone else in the entire world and I'm not personally sensitive in that same way".

It's around the 2:45 mark.

R328 That's not true at all.At least not on DL.

R329---ha!!

Kate's mother Carole Middleton was invited to Balmoral by the Queen and here both can be seen. Discretion is the key to an invite. Doria keep it cool and you may get to go.

R328, equally ridiculous is that any time someone says something nice or supportive of MM they are called a sugar.

Not least because it's an insipid label and nobody can really explain what it means.

Ironically what sugars demure as simply saying something nice or supportive of MM invariably includes a pejorative against Kate under the same breath. And I like how R319 tries to paint calling Kate--and I quote--"a lazy old sow" as being only "slightly negative."

Well, "sugar" is better than calling Meghan fans "dumb" "blind" or "almost terminally gullible" isn't it, R333?

It's looking like Our Heroine, noted humanitarian, the Duchess of Excess, has leaked to her pal Jessica's pal Lainey that she did indeed go to noted humanitarians George and Amal Clooneys' Como villa!

Now US is reporting that H&M spent a "mini-moon" with the Clooneys at their Lake Como mansion, with whom they share a "special friendship". My a$$. They didn't even know each other before attending the pair's May wedding.

"A royal trip to the lake! Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan spent the weekend at George and Amal Clooney’s house in Lake Como, a source confirms to Us Weekly. "

“The Clooneys had personally invited Meghan and Harry to their home at the beginning of the summer with an open invitation,” the source tells Us, noting that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex stayed for three nights after flying to Como, Italy on Thursday, August 16. “George and Amal were so happy to host Meghan and Harry. Harry and George have a special bond and friendship

Pretty obvious Meghan is still funneling stories about her to Lainey. LG had the scoop about hanging out in Lake Como even before Us. And she has details of when they're going to Balmoral, seeing "Hamilton," etc that haven't been released by Kensington Palace. Always the leaker.

No wonder Kate avoids her so much.

Meghan seems to equate spending money, or acquiring high profile friends with character. She'd do so much better simply releasing a picture of herself with her dog - or dad.

So "hitting the ground running" for this humanitarian means... vacationing with other humanitarians?

Yep, she and Harry are really going to change the world and modernize the monarchy. Royalty hanging out with other rich people is sooo transformative.

So she didn't go to Toronto? What was that Air Canada missive about then?

They were in Italy from around Thursday to Sunday according to those 'sources'. Dinner party was held, in their honour, on Saturday.

I think the major difference between Kate and Sparkle is that Kate plays by the rules, whereas Sparkle does not; I believe Sparkle thinks that a rule is merely the start of a negotiation.

It's a little more than that, I think Kate truly enjoys and fits her position, which is what you'd hope for. And let's face it Sparkle isn't too bright...

I never really cared one way or another about the BRF but these two are insufferable and arrogant. Instead of saving the world, they are so incredibly transparent and fake.

They really are reminiscent of Marie Antoinette or Alexandra and Nicky. Totally oblivious to public opinion and thinking they are impervious. Narcissism only goes so far.

I like the Alexandra and Nicky comparison. Nicholas was intellectually weak, besotted with Alexandra and easily manipulated by her. Alexandra was haughty, disliked by her subjects and unduly influenced by questionable people. Fortunately, Harry doesn't have an empire to look after.

R343 - "I think the major difference between Kate and Sparkle is that Kate plays by the rules, whereas Sparkle does not; I believe Sparkle thinks that a rule is merely the start of a negotiation."

Or, as the man said in "Pirates of the Carribbean, "more like guidelines".

R346 - I think Rasputin crosses the line from "questionable people" to "mad bad and dangerous to know".

In fairness, once the Tsarevich's hemophilia was discovered, Alexandra went nearly mad herself with worry, became even more religious, seeking a miracle to cure her son.

It has been noted by others how differently the course of history might have run had the child been born healthy.

R338 - "And she has details of when they're going to Balmoral" - which is when? We don't want to miss Meghan in tartan!

Hooray! Next week we'll get to see if Meghan once again can come up with another public event fashion fail. Since it's a gala she'll get to wear her first official evening gown as a Duchess. Can't wait to see how over the top she goes.

"Royal fans will next see Harry and Meghan out in public on Wednesday 29 August. The couple will attend a gala performance of the smash hit West End musical Hamilton, in support of the Sentebale charity, of which Harry is a patron, with Kensington Palace announcing the news in a statement on Monday."

I suspect Harry and wife expect to be very influential and powerful players without a crown or empire. With Sparkle’s vast experience in international relations and her new bff ‘s experience in human rights law, they likely anticipate eclipsing anything that Will or Kate can do. They are the progressive and modern humanitarians on the global stage. Will and Kate are obsolete dinosaurs.

R351 do you need some insulin for your sugar issues?

Amal hasn't done crap for humanitarian issues and basically quit her legal career once she married George. Now she's just a rich wife who loves going all out glam even to the simplest of dinners out. She's the attention whore to beat all attention whores. Always looking for the camera wherever they go. Marry well, abandon your career and causes and just life a life of luxury as a fashion plate. No wonder Sparkle looks up to her. That's the same path she took by marrying Harry.

R352 I was being very sarcastic. No sugar problems.

R351 And I suspect Harry and wife will become just like a Wallis Simpson and Edward VIII for the 21st century....

R337 I'll bet Hazza and Clooney share a special friendship alright!

R338 I propose a new nickname - Leaky Smeg.

Do not forget that international humanitarian attorney Amal Clooney defended Muammar Gaddafi's spy chief and enforcer, as well as provide advice to Bahrain's dictator king. Bonus tidbit: she defended DL fave Julian Assange! Couldn't Clooney have found a more suitable clothes horse to reproduce with? How the fuck did he get roped into this marriage? There are plenty of sensible, glamorous career women out there who would have dropped it all for him.

[quote]Abdullah al Senussi is no one's idea of a poster boy for justice. As Gaddafi's intelligence chief and right-hand man for four decades, the 64-year-old supervised torture, assassinations and town-square hangings.

[quote]Many Libyans blame him for the massacre of 1,200 inmates at Tripoli's Abu Salem prison, a Paris court has convicted him in absentia for the bombing of a French airliner in 1989, and Scottish police are to interview him over allegations of masterminding the Lockerbie bombing. He fled Libya during the 2011 Arab spring revolution, but was caught in Mauritania and returned to Libya. And that is where the trouble began.

[quote]Senussi was charged – along with Gaddafi's playboy son, Saif al-Islam – with war crimes and crimes against humanity by the ICC. Under the rules of the United Nations, which ordered the case, the Hague court was to hold the trial unless Libya could prove itself capable of doing the job itself. In October, Libya was given that approval, despite allegations that Senussi had been mistreated, and Libya's refusal to let Alamuddin or any of his ICC-appointed defence team visit him, which she says should have been a red flag to the Hague.

[quote]Her decision to work as legal adviser to Bahrain's king, Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa, who has been blamed by rights groups for systematic torture and repression, raised eyebrows,

R285, NO, Harry and William split Diana's estate (after taxes) EVENLY. LOOK IT UP. Her will is ON LINE.

No shit Diana knew where Harry was in the birth order. Still, it was split EVENLY. Look up what she left them, what remained after taxes, and how it was sorted into trusts.

I love how poor poor Harry is so so so special. SO special. Poor poor Harry is not the heir, and needs special consideration. Let me ask you - did the QM leave Margaret a bunch more money cause the poor thing wasn't the heir? Well, we'll never know since Margaret predeceased her mummy, but my guess is no. What about poor poor Andrew, poor poor Anne, poor poor Edward? Shit, some Harry fans think that the Queen Mother, his GREAT grandmother, skipped over all her grandchildren so Harry could have money. Fuck no, she did not. She split her cash amongst her GRAND children, not her great grands.

Jesus Christ, Harry fans need to get OVER the fantasy that the entire family bent over assbackwards to throw extra money on him because he won't be king. It didn't happen for the other spares, it didn't happen for poor him.

He'll be in the same financial situation as the other non-heirs - DEAL.

If Harry wanted money, you know what he could have done? Marry a woman with money instead of Markle. Markle is still pushing the notion she got about 50k an episode of Suits when in reality she got about 1/5th of that per episode. Some blogger is claiming well, they paid her rent and leased her car in Toronto because they didn't have the money to pay her more in cash. That's ridiculous. They wouldn't have paid her more even if they had it because they didn't need to. They knew perfectly well she wasn't going anywhere (like to another job). The show could have paid her rent and leased her car, but because it was produced in the U.S. but filmed in Toronto for economy reasons, and actors who go "on location" to film get lodging and transportation. It's also more than possible they paid her rent while she shot the show and she had to pay it during hiatus. Not their fault she had no home in L.A. to return to.

Harry could have married Chelsy Davy, whose dad is a wealthy Zimbabwean landowner and who bought his baby girl her own mine for her jewelry business. Harry could have access to the Branson bazillions via Cressida, who has Bransons for in-laws. But these girls didn't want to marry Harry because he wasn't mature enough for marriage and it was too risky. So he got Meghan, who has no money. He has money, but he doesn't have "money".

The DM, true to form, has managed to shape the "The Sussexes Visit the Clooneys" story into a portrait of louche jet set luxury underneath a perfectly straightforward "How Harry and Meghan Spent their Summer Hols." story. It really is a marvel how expertly the DM can throw shade without a singly accusatory phrase.

Re the gala performance of "Hamilton" - these aren't necessarily evening dress affairs. If it's a fundraiser, it's possible, but it's not likely to require tiaras and sashes. So if it is evening dress, it will likely to be lower-keyed evening, another bloody column dress with a boat neck.

She ought to pull that huge aquamarine of Diana's that Harry gave her and give it an airing.

^single accusatory phrase

The Harry Hate Troll is unhinged.

Kate has really come into her own in the last few years. She was stand-offish and avoidant in the beginning, very possibly out of anxiety rather than laziness. I read that she had panic attacks before every speaking engagement, and as someone who has had them, I can sympathise. You shake uncontrollably, your heart rate and blood pressure skyrocket, and you think you are about to die. But once she had children - and she seems to be a very natural mother - she found she could relate to the public in a life experience they shared, and her confidence grew. You see it in the videos. The current hysterical hate for MM has also done Kate's image a world of good.

I hope that when Megs visits us in Aus, that she wears a lovely chocolate brown outfit. With her prominent dandruff flakes (as mentioned, up thread), she would be paying tribute to a great Australian delicacy - the lamington!

Jennifer Garner wore the same Roland Mouret dress to her Hollywood Walk of Fame star ceremony today. She looked SO good in it, natural and it moved well unlike Meg who wore it on the eve of her wedding to Harry. She looked boxy and it did her no favors. But on Jen -- and in a brighter blue -- she looked like a pure movie star despite being 8 years older than Sparkle. And contrary to PEOPLE, I don't think for a second she copied Sparkle. I think her stylist just found a dress that made Jen look casual yet stunning.

Aside from hot sex and motherly nurturing, I think Harry married MM as a way of making his royal job less pointless and tedious. Unlike his other gfs, who had zero interest in royal life, MM saw it as an opportunity. His other gfs dreaded the relentless scrutiny and Harry is on record as saying he felt he needed to find someone who liked and was used to the spotlight. I remember one sad interview where Harry discussed the reason his other gfs bailed and he said, 'Who'd have me?' However, he wasn't being totally honest, because Chelsy bailed because of his cheating, and Cressida was eager to begin her own career as a dancer/actress after completing her degree at RADA.

More pics of how Jen Garner owned the dress that MeAgain wore on her wedding eve. She made it seem so natural and not try-hard like Sparkle. Probably because she's a confident movie star and not a desperate gold digger like Megs.

Well, "who'd have me?" is a good question for a habitual cheater to ask himself.

R366 Jen looks like a man in those pics.

Poo Shoes at R356 !! Next she'll be reminding us all that Amal and her mom are terrorists.

R321 Yet there're dozens of comments on Princess Anne,Charles&Camilla,Beatrice,Eugenie,Sarah Ferguson,Amal etc. on this thread.

As someone upthread pointed out, Amal Clooney makes MM look like an amateur in the famewhore narcissism business. Clooney himself is no rose, either. The two couples seem eminently suited to one another - except, oddly, for Harry, who I suspect is being dragged along in MM's eager wake through waters slightly more devious than dimwit naturally is. In that sense, I also agree with posters upthread that their shallowness is strangely reminscent of the Windsors.

The difference is that because of his distance from the throne, Harry was able to marry his Wallis and retain his privileges. Quite the coup for both of them.

Those looking for an imminent separation-divorce in every disappearance from view need to come back to earth. Not happening. Harry's made his bed and he and the BRF and the British taxpayer will be sleeping in it for a lonnnggg time.

So, will Sparkle be content with private visits to estates of wealthy celebrities?

Or, if some believe, is she someone who craves the spotlight and (like Clooney's wife) never saw a camera she didn't focus on.

Some people would be more than content to have all the perks and live the very private life. But others are addicted to the publicity and public attention.

Which is Sparkle?

R371 Devious waters to be sure.

It is likely that Harry always wanted a place at the adult table and he now thinks he has it except it is not in his family’s dining room. He is likely being used be MM et al. I have read speculation that Clooney is positioning himself for politics and Harry may think he has finally made it as a member of their crowd. They are so much more sophisticated and intelligent that his dull brother.

It is a different time and they are no Wallis and Edward. I do not believe for a second that they plan on a life of luxurious boredom. Unlike their predecessors, they don’t need the BRF. Their plan may be to give the BRF the single finger and become famous in the global political arena.

The BRF should remove him from succession and tighten the purse strings as much as possible. Make him earn his keep with his new Hollywood friends. I’m sure they can do the interview circuit. MM has experience at that. Maybe when she gets old and fat she can be a spokesperson for diets. Maybe they can even cohost NYE.

R373, Given the lack of intelligence displayed by those Sparkle blog posts, would anyone care to hear what Sparkle has to say about politics or society in general? Or Harry? Without Harry's RF connection, what people of importance politically would care one little bit what either of these dims think or say?

As for Clooney's positioning for politics, it is a dud. He's delusional if he thinks otherwise.

Sorry, r364/r366, I think the dress looks bad on Garner. It looks better on MM.

And I hate MM.

R374 I certainly hope you are correct, but never overestimate the intelligence of the general populace.

Also, perhaps they are only legends in their own minds and far overestimate their potential. I hope, but one only has to look at the elections to realize it doesn’t take huge intellect to get into a position of power.

R375 - I think it looked bad on both Garner and MM. It's trendy without being truly stylish, and is meant for someone with a body similar to 1940s stars like Ava Gardner and Rita Hayworth: fine boned but curvy, with beautiful shoulders. Neither MM nor Garner have that kind of body, and the dress looked silly on both of them. It's one of those, "Trying hard here to be classy, sexy, and on trend!" dresses.

It's really not a good dress for either of them, and I wonder whether the fault is the dress. Of course, either or both of them could have chosen something else.

So what exclusive did Sparkle offer to People to get that ridiculous "Meghan Markle Effect!" headline?

Clooney has way too many skeletons in his closet (ahem) to run for public office. Will never happen. He doesn't want his secret dirty laundry aired.

This was nothing more than two rich and privileged couples having dinner at a gorgeous Italian estate. At least Harry was down in Botswana allegedly saving rhinos last week (while probably enjoying being away from MeAgain). I'm sure Sparkle and Amal got off on talking about how happy they are now to have ditched that "I'm a feminist and humanitarian who wants to save the world" thing for being a rich kept wife who gets to play dress up with Europe's best designers. That's all they do.

Interesting article about how the younger royals are doing themselves no favors closing themselves off from the press:

R379, there's never been a Meghan Markle Effect since she's worn horribly fitting and expensive designer dresses. People probably just wanted an extra headline out of Jen's star ceremony. Seriously, even the cheaper items she wears don't sell out. That awful Club Monaco dress she wore to the van Straubenzee wedding didn't move any product and definitely didn't sell out. It was ill fitting on her box-like body and looked terrible on her.

Kate on the other hand does have an effect because she wears high street brands that most consumers can afford and the clothes look so good on her frame. The $77 Zara blue and white summer dress she wore in June to watch Wills play polo while minding after George and Charlotte sold out in minutes because of the price point and how amazing she looked in it. Casual yet chic and affordable. Something Megs will never understand.

R379 - PEOPLE and Lainey have been behind the MM cause from the start. MM has leaked stuff to both of them.

R374 R380 - Agree completely on Clooney's Closet vis-a-vis a political career. Certainly, his sudden marriage to Amal and leap into fatherhood after years of swearing I Never Would! suggested that he understood that if did want a political career, he really needed a wife and family. But the pervasiveness of media intrusion and the fall of many a celebrity as a result may have also persuaded him that it was a non-starter even with the wife and kids: closets doors no longer as secure as they once were.

It could have been as simple as an increasing awareness that eventually, even Clooney would not be able to pull the cutest tricks in shoe leather except at very high prices, and that as he aged out of even "mature man" attractiveness, he would start to look pathetic and suspicious.

The irony is that MM would never have looked at Harry if he hadn't been HRH Harry Windsor, and the Clooney's would never have looked at MM if she hadn't married HRH Harry Windsor.

R373 - In your dreams. Absent a major scandal, which I doubt the existence of, there is no reason to remove Harry from the succession, he's already far enough down the food chain. Tightening the purse strings, however, whilst a better way of sending a message to the couple, is also hard for a father who loves both sons, which I assume Charles does, and doesn't want to treat one better than the other.

The only way Harry steps down is if his wife brings a major scandal down upon their heads; ditto, a divorce. Deal with it.

[quote]Poo Shoes at [R356] !! Next she'll be reminding us all that Amal and her mom are terrorists.

What the fucking hell does this mean?! "Poo shoes?" Are you a scat troll? Jesus Fucking Christ on a cracker (though by the looks of it, you'd like your Ritz topped with something brown)

Not that MM ever had a good figure, but I wonder if she is not hitting perimenopause a bit early. If so, she might still be trying to fit into clothes that are cut for a younger woman and that’s what makes them look so ill fitting.

Eventually MM will reach the even bigger “M” and her already poor figure will look even worse.

Given that personality and whacked hormones not too long from now, DL may be in for even better entertainment.

What if she fights the fat genes on her father's side? I'd be shocked!

R385 - 37 would be really early for perimenopause, and MM's figure looks very much the same as it always has. She just looked better when she was being dressed by the wardrobe department of "Suits", and when she was dressing like a starlet. Her problem is that she's never had to dress like a Duchess and hasn't quite gotten it right.

That she wants to appear more youthful is very likely, given that she's three years from 40, her husband is under 35, and all eyes are on her abdomen waiting for an announcement.

So she's trying to achieve three goals with her clothing: glamour, dignity, and youthfulness. She'll probably be relieved when she's finally pregnant (which I fully expect she will be, she's hardly totally out of the running, fertility falls but doesn't disappear between 35-40, and she will have every possible medical assist if necessary ), and she can stop going for glamour and youthfulness.

Kate has the "high street label" territory staked out. Would it be so awful if MM joined her there?

What I'm waiting to see is how long it takes the fraus on Celebitchy to admit that their idol isn't the world's greatest humanitarian/feminist/activist, but another garden-variety opportunist who jumped at the chance to marry a prince, see her face on magazine covers every week, wear expensive clothes paid for by somebody else, and never have to worry again about earning a living, housework, saving for retirement, or whether she should get the roof or repaired or buy a new car this year.

Their responses to the Clooney story show evidence of denial (I don't really believe they were there!) to excuses (Well, I miss them and hope they had a wonderful time!).

The fact is, MM showed her true persona with that astronomically priced Ralph & Russo gown for the formal engagement photos (which the Palace acknowledged was "privately purchased"). She loves the high life, she loves jet-setting - her royal duties are the add-ons - it's the other stuff that fueled her pursuit of Harry. Well, I suppose that's hardly unnatural. But it's stupid to show it.

Meanwhile, we have three upcoming engagements with which, at last, to fulfill again the purpose of this thread: Bad Wardrobe Choices. On 29 August, the gala performance of "Hamilton"; 4th September the Sussexes attend the WellChild Awards (oh, Lord, one can only imagine the speeches); and on 6 September they show up at another charity gala called 100 Days To Peace, for Heads Together.

I wonder why these didn't show up in the events calendar for the Sussexes when I tried it out a week or so ago? Is it possible they were, as even Kaiser speculated, hastily put together by Kensington Palace's desperate PR machine, to deflect public attention from Pa and Sis Markles' rants, and show the public what Good, Dutiful, Hardworking Royals Meghan and Harry are?

[quote] but I wonder if she is not hitting perimenopause a bit early.

Seriously, one of the craziest suppositions ever voiced on DL. Where the ever loving fuck do gay men get the notion that they have endocrinological expertise or are "woke" about women's biology? The presumptuous stupidity based on willful ignorance is really astonishing. Or are you a frau with a medical degree from WebMD? It's a toss up, really.

Watch out, Amal! The Duchess of Sussex = your Eve Harrington in the “Humanitarian” game!

Sincerely,

A. Jolie

R390 it’s not out of the bounds of possibility. A friend went through menopause at 34. She started to change shape, thickening at the waist, boxy shape etc.

DM has a new interview with Meghan's bro. The DM goes on to compare the Markles with Waity's reprobate Uncle Gary.

Going by the DM comments, Saint Meghan has performed one miracle: she's turned the grifting, grasping Middletons into an exemplary family worthy of marrying into royalty, and Kate the Mattress into Queen Elizabeth the III.

[quote] and on 6 September they show up at another charity gala called 100 Days To Peace, for Heads Together.

100 Days to Peace shall not procure my thunder! I shall vituperate by wearing my own origami creation, 1000 Cranes to Paci. 1000 > 100.

Also, I lovingly hand-curated the words in the blushing description below.

R392 - No, it's not out of the bounds of possibility, but it's very rare and highly unlikely and absurd to assume. Sparkle was born without a waist and with a boxy shape. If anything, she's lost weight since the engagement and is doing her best to look more refined (i.e., to the Manor born).

And not all women after menopause get thick. My gran when she died at 79 was as slim as she had been at 25, with a flat front and, if it comes to it, more waist than MM has now. Admittedly, Gran was unusual: her skin was also nearly unlined and her hair still thick. Regretfully, I did NOT inherit her genetic aging pattern, which is infuriating.

R393 - LOL. As the man said, everything is, you should pardon the expression, relative.

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The DM commenters use to loathe the Middletons, but are now claiming, in the Markle Bro article linked at R396, that the Middletons were models of probity, who never spoke to the press, ignoring that Kate's Uncle Gary did indeed speak to the press as evidenced by the article linked at R397.

Uncle Gary also offered undercover press drugs and underage hookers, but that's all swept under the rug now that an American, divorcee, narcissistic, spendthrift, actress has arrived to suck up the extreme negativity formerly addressed to the Middletons.

Carole Middleton should send each and every Markle their own publicist.

^ I've said all along, the British tabloids have a narrative. Meagain is the villain of the piece. It's just business.

R399 it’s not just the Brit tabloids (who are royally pissed because of the threatening letter dim bulb Harry sent on behalf of his previously-unheard of girlfriend). A lot of outlets are onto her and she doesn’t seem to hold on to friends. When the dam breaks it will be spectacular.

Can't wait R400. The clusterfuck of Dimwit and Nutmeg and the Fat Fuck Cheeto going on concurrently are warming up my cold dead heart.

Meghan and Harry will be happily married long after Trump dies in prison.

Meghan sent her own legal letter to the UK press regulatory board, before Harry's letter. Meghan's complaint accused the press of racism and harassment before barely anyone knew that she was even dating Harry, who was still dating other women.

Harry's letter accusing the press of racism and harassment was just the red flag to the bull -in revenge, the British press was going to destroy them both in the snarkiest way possible.

R402 likes Fairy Tails

George Clooney will never run for public office. Never. People who say he will know nothing.

George Clooney has plainly stated that he did too many drugs to ever run for public office.

R402 - Meghan and Harry may remain married for a very long time, but no one ever knows how happy someone else's marriage really is, especially that of two celebrities viewed from afar. Charles and Diana were a Golden Couple, too. So were Andy and Fergie. So were Mary Pickford and Douglas Fairbanks. So were Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds. So were Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh. So were Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner. So were Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston; so were Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie . . . oh, remember Liz and Dick?

Did I forget to mention Brad Pitt and anyone else?

The bride is divorced (two-year marriage, you should see the totes in lurv couple in the photos!); the groom's parents are divorced; the bride's parents are divorced; the groom's aunt and one of his uncles are divorced.

I would have said Sparkle definitely wanted the fame and status as much or more than the life and luxury, but I had second thoughts. This woman had nothing and was a climber like no other. You could offer a theory that all of her fame whoring and spotlight seeking was her attempt to get her name out there, with her name out there, she has status, status = access, access = meeting the men who could give her the life and luxury. She didn't move in those circles socially. It wasn't her background, so that wasn't available to her. All she could do was try to leverage her tv job into a bigger spotlight for herself, and then use that spotlight for access to rich people. You could argue it was her only route to meeting a rich husband.

I think she had a fan conception of the BRF, thought she could mold it to herself (glamour appearances, no dreary appearances) and I also think she thought Harry had way more money than he does, or at least access to more money. Not every guy she tried to hook fell for it, but she would probably have been better off hooking a low profile rich guy in Toronto, and being a big fish in a small pond. She'd have had more fun, been more admired within a particular small circle, etc. I don't think there really was an avenue for her to the A list. Even Harry - she's not going to be able to hobnob the way she wants.

I think you’re right r407. Certainly about the big fish in a small pond thing. She would definitely have had much more freedom to do anything she wanted but now she’s stuck with an incredibly famous but relatively cash poor spouse whose position is such that she has very limited agency. Beware what you wish for.

"I think she had a fan conception of the BRF, thought she could mold it to herself (glamour appearances, no dreary appearances) "

Bingo R407. As soon as she was indulged with that $76,000 engagement photo dress I think thought she'd be getting anything she wanted out of the family. Hugely expensive wardrobe, being treated differently as a "modern" royal and not having to do all of the stuffy things that QE2 expects and requires.

Even though it seems she's getting to skate on having to spend time at Balmoral, instead hanging out with the Clooneys at Lake Como. THAT is the life she wanted. She would never have been able to be in their presence let alone have them throw a dinner in her and Harry's honor had she not snagged a prince. I can't wait to see her suffer through long, tedious days of hunting and fishing with five outfit changes a day when she does get up there, which is apparently due to happen before the end of the month.

I found Harry's letter, dated November 2016. Was MM's letter published?

Eh, MM never had a great body. Like Angie Jolie, she has always had a thick middle and skinny limbs. There’s a yoga instructor I know of who has the same build. She doesn’t have an ounce of fat on her but she looks like a plank with toothpick limbs. Fit as fuck, but ugly body.

Meghan has a pretty face though.

No matter how she tries and how much time goes by, MM will never fit in with PH's English family or aristo pals. She will end up hanging with the outliers in the group, eg Mike Tindall; Autumn Phillips. Whatever Hollywood sheen she may have had is now tainted by the public condemnation and her family shenanigans. People will try, they'll be polite, but her background is just too different and they all grew up together. It's actually a very small, closed world. Even Kate couldn't do it.

There's a lot of question whether or not they were even IN Lake Cuomo. Jennifer Aniston was there, and the story around Harry and Meghan being with the Clooneys was ludicrous. "Meghan watched the twins so the guys could play basketball." Come on.

That was a PR story. She was also said to be en route to Canada, which was denied after two days, which makes me think it's true, and also en route somewhere else. I think Harry going to Africa alone - AGAIN - and nobody knows when he came back or if he did, just that he's expected at "X" upcoming schedule, prompted her PR to put out a "Oh, a mini-moon with the Clooneys!" It followed a story that said the celebrities who turned up for her wedding didn't turn out to be available for real friendships, so the Clooney thing seems like pushback. Clooney could use the publicity and it's like anything else, "let's not (have that visit) and say we did."

Besides, I think Meghan is the sort who really doesn't care if she was actually at the Clooneys, as long as she thinks people THINK she was. It's the perception of her status that she cares about.

^Como not Cuomo. I'm a New Yorker, so.

R413, Meghan's pal Lainey was the one who had all the details about her Como trip with the Clooneys. Not the "watching the babies" part, as it seems other British tabs elaborated on it. Lainey had when she arrived and left so Meg is feeding pal Jessica Mulroney to pass along positive info again. If so it then negates her flying back to Toronto Sunday to weep on pals' shoulders about her miserable lonely life. Instead of a full day of that story being everywhere, voila! Lainey reveals she was in Como with the Clooneys and her beloved hubby Harry. All is well in Meghan's world now.

Man she's got people to do her bidding in the media. In addition to the "friends" who defend her against the Markle family in the British tabs.

Spot on R407. Very astute and perfectly said.

R412 Mike Tindall is LOVED by Princess Anne. I think she seems to like Autumn too but Mike is definitely very much “in” with the royals. I doubt if any of the Phillips clan would have much in common with Sparkle or any desire to hang out.

R417 You're spot on. Both families also live out of the bubble of Kensington Palace & London in general, they had (mostly) private weddings & due to Anne making the decision not to give her children titles they have been afforded the luxury of being able to stay out of the family business and the limelight. They are 'outliers' because they don't have to shill for the queen on the daily & keep up appearances - Meghan will never get that chance, even when William is King she'll still need to be present and correct (not that I think the marriage will even last that long).

Kate did better with William's crowd after it became obvious that she was going to get the job, and I also think William loves her and appreciates her low-drama persona and her devotion to their children.

Meghan is much more of an outsider, and doesn't have the advantage Kate did of at least being a pretty English Home Counties girl - there's a faint aura about H&M of the older savvy actress snagging the dim impressionable younger prince. MM's terrible fashion choices and refusal to wear British designers, and her family drama, have probably upped Kate's "suitability" quotient quite a bit.

RE the Clooney visit - if Lainey put the story out, they probably were there; Europe is pretty small and it wouldn't have taken long to get back to Britain so MM could pack up and head to Toronto. Air Canada could always have denied the story that they asked that MM be left alone on the flight and not photographed. For all we know, she still has monetary matters to attend to there, let alone see friends. It's not a stretch.

The thing about the Clooney visit, though, whether or not it actually happened, is that MM may be ecstatic about how it makes her look, but the DM knows perfectly well that what it makes her look like to the British public, the more important onlooker, is the wannabe jetsetter luxury famewhore she married Harry to become.

It's not a flattering look to people in an economy in the throes of uncertainty and the second highest level of inequality in the developed world (Britain ranks just behind America in income inequality). The DM know this and was only too happy to play the story up.

But Lainey doesn't understand this, and neither does MM. Lainey is helping MM push the more damaging image. Possibly even if they do understand the nuances of the relationship between the British and their royals, neither of them care, figuring that as long as Harry's happy with his marriage, what the rest of the BRF and the British taxpayer think is of no importance.

Possibly they are correct - at least in the short-term.

R415 - who said MM was heading back to Toronto to week on her pals' shoulders about her miserable lonely life? She may be heading there to see friends but I doubt she's weeping, with her $200,000 engagement ring and her expensive clothes. She got exactly what she wanted, now she wants a breather after the engagement, the events before the engagement the wedding and the post-wedding engagements she had to go through with to show herself to the British public and establish her bona fides with the BRF. The rest of the family is on vacation, too.

You lot have to stop fantasising that this marriage is miserable and over already. I don't like her, I don't like him, and as a hybrid Brit-Yank, I have very ambivalent feelings toward the monarchy in general. But the reality is: while a divorce is hardly out of the question, it's not in the cards any time soon. What's in the cards is a step-up in engagements to remind the public that what MM is about is being a Duchess, not a Markle; a foreign tour; and very likely a pregnancy announcement by February at the outside, and a christening next year.

So deal, kiddies - no divorce, no separation, no huge scandal getting MM sent to the Tower or worse, back to L.A. - we should just relax and enjoy the clothes and jewels.

I agree, 420.

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R421 - I'm as fond as anyone of talking status of the monarchy, interpreting personalities (that's what gossip is, after all), etc., and I don't mind guessing, either, but I admit I'm guessing. For all I know, they could be a perfect match and there could be few rocks in the mattress and we'll be talking about her ghastly outfit for William's coronation one day (well, I likely won't but many of the rest of you will). I don't THINK so but, hey, I could be wrong.

But the idea of an imminent separation and a divorce within a couple of years is outlandish - it would be a PR catastrophe and the BRF needs one of those like it needs a peasant revolt.

In order to get a large settlement, Markle has to have a kid with Harry and hang on to the marriage for at least five years, ten if she can possibly stand it.

Then she can move back to America, rich and famous and free. It's everything she's ever wanted.

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Talk about your lowlifes and grifters. Why does anybody give this guy a platform?

If the RF weren't so cheap with the help, they might attract higher quality people. "Help" at the palace are paid very low wages considering who they are serving. Their "grace and favor" accommodations are usually a dormitory-like room, often shared, somewhere in the bowels of whichever palace they serve in. The RF gets what they pay for.

[quote]The Royal Household recently advertised for housekeeping assistants at Buckingham Palace who would be paid just £8.17 an hour.

[quote]This is £2.03 below the London Living wage of £10.20 set by the Mayor of London Sadiq Khan.

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Not buying the "Saint Doria" scenario.

ABC is having a two part series on the Royal Family starting tonight (Wednesday) at 9:00 est.

Me either r429

R429, I'm not either. It's been reported that Doria will be moving to England, to live at Kensington Palace. If that actually happens, then I'm going to think that she's just been playing the long game.

Has a "St. Dora" scenario actually been forwarded/purported by either KP or any press organization or is it an inference based on the fact that she keeps her mouth shut?

I guess in these tumultuous waters stirred by the ravenous press and KP's PR non-response, silence equals saintliness.

I'd be surprised if MM flew Air Canada to Toronto because British Airways does, offering first. so more privacy and more familiarity with VIP. Air Canada only offers business class.

R433, it’s not very “St. Doria” around HERE, but on the other sites I frequent, everyone falls all over themselves to say the most flattering things about her.

While I admire her restraint and composure during the wedding fiasco, I’m not going along with the worship.

I do feel bad for her because she didn’t sign up for all the scrutiny. My life wouldn’t bear it.

St. Doria gets very little attention from actual media nwo... there were a few photos post wedding but for the most part she is very much left alone - probably entirely because she doesn't give them anything to work with. James Middleton got a very limited amount of attention because he didn't play to it. Pippa got more through a combination of her own efforts and the media's expectation she would marry well, so they wanted to see who her prize would be. Ever since her wedding she is kind of old news.

If you don't feed the beast it gets bored and goes looking for something else to eat.

From pictures I saw of Prince William giving Mike Tindall a bear hug (heartfelt, not a "hey hey dude!" hypocrite type thing), I agree Mike Tindall is an insider with the RF. He obviously adores Zara, his wife. Technically, as an in-law, he can be tasked with saying polite public nothings about Meghan when and if absolutely pressed while the blood family remains discreetly and meaningfully silent, but I think in practice, in day to day, he's blood.

The Phillips kids are obviously in tight with the Cambridges (Savannah is theirs, and although some people pretended she was bratty on the balcony putting her hand over Prince George's mouth, George laughed when she did it). Sophie might be the one who is stuck, even though she's nearly a generation up.

I don't think Meghan is going to hang with anyone but Harry, and it's really Harry who will find himself out in the cold, because shunning her appears to be more important than including him. Just look at the StraubenzeeWhatever wedding when Meghan and Harry entered the churchyard. Harry was greeted warmly enough but then ensued the awkward, and he was left to swing in the wind alone with his bride.

[quote]The Phillips kids are obviously in tight with the Cambridges

This is true. Peter Phillips is said to be particularly close with William. Not sure about Harry. Peter Phillips was at Balmoral at the time of Diana's death.

What happened to the story that St. Doria was going to relocate to U.K.? She did, by reports, quit her job.

So much murk around Markle's middle childhood. Where the hell was Doria when MM was between 11 and 18 and at the set with Daddy every day? People make so much of the tackiness of the Markle side, but there is family on the Ragland side, yet none of them save Doria got an invite as well. Meghan is shifty and I think her mom is as well. The Markles are more Jerry Springer.

[quote]Where the hell was Doria when MM was between 11 and 18 and at the set with Daddy every day?

If you had been reading carefully, or at all, it has already been answered numerous times over the multiple threads.

Awww, this really is a brotherly hug between Mike and William.

In that video from 1999, it seems she is a high school senior, or maybe just graduated. She mentions going to an LA mixer for incoming Northwestern students, so it would be just before her freshman year. As they are driving around, she says that they are near her dad's house and she'd like to go see if she has mail there, but she's not really on good terms with her father at the moment. So at this point, about age 18, she's living with her mom, but had been living with her dad. I believe the years with dad were said to be ages 11 - 17, so that lines up.

I don’t really care about the royals but I’m surprised at how much I despise Markle.

The royals are a bunch of dim, rich, unattractive people. Markle's a social climbing scammer.

The ABC special tonight was good. It covered the abdication up to the birth of Prince Harry. I guess tomorrow's episode will cover Diana's death and what's happened since. The scope of the special covers the period depicted by The Crown through the wedding a few months ago.

I think William, Zara, and Peter are close, particularly because they are closest in age.

Peter Phillips born November 15, 1977

Zara born May 15, 1981

Prince William born June 21, 1982

The following clip shows William relating one of their escapades when kids at Balmoral.

R442 Thanks for posting about MM not being on good terms with her father at when she was 18. They have probably always had this kind of up and down relationship.

One thing that Doria seems to have is an easy going nature. She may have had some financial upheaval, which is common after divorce, but she seems emotionally steady. She is a Virgo like Harry. Doria isn't a saint, but she has rightly earned the respect of many for how she has handled all of the press attention. If Doria were a person of lesser character, she would be exposing that Markle crew. You KNOW that she has the goods on them.

I wonder if MM's first husband was like her father. Her ex-husband is a Scorpio and her father is a Cancer. Her ex-husband was trying to get a TV show made about his life as the ex-husband of a soon to be Princess. That is very Markle like behavior.

Doria was given help from the RF as to how to handle the upcoming media storm. She also met Harry early on, was invited to the wedding, and treated respectfully. But, don't forget that pesky long Oprah conversation where she (Doria) walked away with arm loads of gifts.

Pa got no help from the RF. He has never met Harry. Was not invited to the wedding until PR made it necessary and was not treated respectfully.

Why such hugely different treatment for her 2 parents?

Maybe Meghan told them about her father's instability and asked them to stay away?

Doria met Harry but I don't think the Windsors stepped in early to help her much.

Pa Markle doesn't look unstable. Pissed off? Yes. Unstabe? No.

By the way, it's Meghan's job to reach him and find an agreement, not her mother's.

In the worst case what gonna happen of she contacts him? He gonna say she contacted him but it went nowhere. Big deal.

Try to keep up r384, I don't even read the threads and know that poo shoes is a troll here

I honestly think MM was embarrassed of pudgy daddy and Doria is more on brand so that's why she has ghosted him but it backfired

Maybe if Meghan just pays him the money he spent on raising her he'll go away.But he probably won't.He'll come back asking for more and more.Ignoring him is the best option.The BRF will never trust him,he's mentally unstable but also vile.He's not missing his daughter,he's simply living for the attention.Samatha and Daddy deserve each other.

Meghan should work on bettering herself and try to make friends with the Windsor clan.

As if they gonna trust her.

Good luck with that, they know she gonna sell them as soon as she can.

Doria married Markle, Snr., and as the Mum always said, "It takes two . . ." Presumably there was some link between the two which means Doria was hardly a paragon of mental health at one time, because Markle Snr. is a first-class narcissist. She left him, eventually, so she's clearly got some strengths. But that doesn't mean that the daughter wasn't already impacted by it all, and MM may be closer to her mother, but she exhibits a good bit of her father's narcissism. I think the jury is still out on how much of character is genetically based - as the human genome gets unraveled and decoded, many former theories about nature v. nurture are being upended. My guess, and it's only that, it's that it's probably a 50-50 split.

Anyone who has worked around show business knows that narcissism is common as dirt among performers: finding an actress who isn't one is the tough part, it's a necessary component of their ability to survive in a pool full of sharks, let alone succeed in it. So between her exposure to her father and her years trying to get ahead in the sink that is show business, it's hardly surprising that MM is hard as nails and not about to let anyone or anything get in the way of her A-List dream.

But the proof of the pudding is always in the eating. Old habits die hard. It remains to be seen whether Harry really loves being married to a domineering narcissist, whether MM is clever enough to hide her claws as she assumes the dominant role in the relationship, and whether it all comes out in the wash over the next few years and settles down with the arrival of a kid or two, and the Sussexes just become another pair of privileged royals wallowing in their privileges whilst pretending to "work".

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MARY!!!!!

Why nobody speculate about her being anorexic?

She's fucking skinny.

R458 I don't think she has an eating disorder. She was such a major foodie on the Tig and seemed to genuinely love good food and wine and has a thin frame genetically. I think she dieted down for the wedding losing about 10 pounds (why her dress was so big an ill-fitting) and the stress of everything since has probably dulled her appetite. She won't be able to conceive a child with Harry if she's anorexic so I'd expect she'll start putting on a little more weight in the coming months, probably after the Australia/NZ tour fashion parade down under. She's 37 so she needs all the help she can get in getting pregnant and a good 10 pounds to get her back to pre-engagement shape will help her a lot.

Tons of anorexic love food.

They love to cook for friends and family, doesn't mean they actually eat what they cook.

Exactly R460. Giada de Laurentiis is a poster chilld for this.

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It's quite unfair to seek after people who don't want to speak.

It's not like the "Bishop" uncle is courting the medias.

R348 - fuck off, Richard.

LOL at Uncle Dismal's house-church. Does that steeple double as an antenna for his TV? It does appear to be a tax scam.

Jennifer looks as though she’s had some work done. She looks great. R364 is correct. Jennifer looks stunning. The dress on Meghan is clearly ill fitting.

This is pretty sad. He's a nutter and a hoarder but not harming anyone and hadn't seen MM since she was 6.

I think Sparkle is a bit thinner than before the engagement - it's fairly standard for commoners who marry high up in royal families and suddenly get photographed every time they step out the door to lose a bit, but Sparkle is quite small all around, so it shows more on her, but I don't she looks anorexic at all.

That said, if she is trying to get pregnant, fat has links to estrogen, unless I am misremembering, so if she is trying, she shouldn't be doing stringent dieting, but stuffing nutrients into her system and put on 5-10 pounds.

I really think she would look perfectly fine if she only dressed properly.

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R462 I knew it! This is why MM chose not to invite any of her extended family. The Markles probably have a lot of issues beyond what we already know about.

I thought that it was well understood that you don't marry someone without having met their family members. Aren't members of the royal family very concerned about things like their bloodlines?

I think that it is time for the press to leave The Markles in peace (or angst) because this is really sad.

R455 Doria was quite young when she met and married MM's father. He was about 13 years her senior. I get the feeling that she had no idea what she was getting herself into. When she finally figured it all out, just like we have, she made a run for it.

I'm hoping that, by this time next year, Doria will have moved to England, Meghan will have popped out a little sprat, and Doria will be seen taking tea with her neighbor at Kensington Palace, Princess Michael.

Doria moving to England that quickly will piss off law-abiding British citizens who have been patiently waiting their turn years to emigrate relatives. And nothing will set you against the English more than not conforming to a proper queue; hence why the BRF made such a public show that Sparkle would be following all proper procedures in her path to citizenship.

I bet Doria could tell some stories. If Samantha no longer talks with her own mother or her own daughter, just imagine how she treated her stepmother.

I'm curious to know what pretext they are going to move Doria to England with. While she can qualify to come in as Tourist, I'm not sure that she eligible for any visa. Markle is a curious creature - the Cunning of Diana but the calamity of Fergie.

R474, R476, That's what I find so strange about that story. Of course, it may well be fiction. But I know that it's much easier to emigrate to the US than to England or other European countries. And England is still reeling from the Windrush Scandal, which doesn't seem to have received any attention here on DL.

R473

R471, that’s interesting. I’m a woman who used to wear stockings and heels daily, and never had a shoe fall off. It’s not a problem for those of us who buy shoes of the proper size.

Then again, MM is very skinny and probably has very narrow feet. Maybe that’s why.

According to the DM, the E-type Jaguar M&H drove to their wedding reception is going into production (the one Harry drove was at the time the only one in the world) and can be yours. For . . . 350,000 (that is pounds sterling, kiddies).

True to its (really becoming relentless) form, under the guise of reporting a couple of mildly interesting, anodyne stories the DM reminds everyone what a pair of rich sods H&M are, especially the American climber.

The article about Kate's especially designed pantyhose that keep her shoes from slipping (translation: KATE knows HOW to dress for her job!), and the photo of her far nicer legs and neat feet in a pair of perfectly fitting pretty pumps, throw a bit of shade without in the least looking as if they are.

So did she go to Toronto or not?

R479, I have to agree about the DM's skill at providing such great snark wrapped in very, very thin praise. They must rock with laughter as they create some of those phrases.

Once again, it's a reminder of what an incredibly stupid move Sparkle, followed by Harry, made by the firing of those broadside attacks on the press before anyone had ever heard of her.

She's so clearly outclassed in this duel. And they will never stop.

[quote] Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.

R480 - Who knows? Three "travel stories" floating: three days with the Clooneys in Italy; five days with Camilla and Charles at the Castle of Mey in Scotland (I suppose it beats a couple of weeks at Balmoral with HM and Circling the Drain Philip, heading to Craithie Church in the rain on Sunday, and changing attire five times a day); and MM in Toronto before heading off to L.A. to see Mum. No photos to confirm any of it.

Either the paps are on holiday, too, or all the stories were red herrings to throw the paps off and the couple are in Rosarita, Mexico, making it up with Pa Markle. Or at that fertility clinic getting their stored embryos implanted. Or at their leased country place in the Cotswolds (which the paps know perfectly well how to find).

It's a mystery.

Speaking of Craithie Church - has the newly baptised and confirmed member of the CoE gone anywhere near services since she became on except for the two wedding she attended since then? Well, she's in good company: Harry, William, Kate, Charles, Camilla - none of them haul their arses out of bed of a Sunday to honour their "commitment" to their "faith".

It will all end swiftly when the Queen goes. Maybe one more generation will survive to see William take the Throne. By then, it will have lost even more meaning. I don't think William's son will ever reign.

R482

One thing that I've (very slowly) learned, a bit from DL, but mainly from reading various articles that have been referenced here, is how important the Church of England is to the Queen. I was reading something about the crown, and the article, very casually, mentioned that the various crowns were never to be photographed from above. Because that is the view that only God should have. That concept registered with me. I'm an American Catholic, so that point of view is entirely alien to me. I think the Queen takes her responsibilities very seriously, both as Head of State, but also as Head of the Church of England. Once she passes (I dread that day), I think things will begin to fall apart, since her heirs haven't really taken seriously the example she's set for them, and I feel badly for England, the entire UK, and the Commonwealth, when that eventually happens.

Actually Camilla and Chuckers went to church in Scotland on Sunday. There were photos in the Mail.

R482, I bet it’s a cover for fertility clinic. Good call.

While this is from Mad World News, I think every word is the gospel truth, except for the part about Harry not knowing what was going on. But this article has Meghan read down to the ground, and I believe it was sourced, even if it is Mad World News.

The "leased country place" is a myth. It's the Soho Farmhouse.

There was an earlier statement saying the couple were stepping out of "the spotlight" for a while, r486 until the Australia visit. Beyond that.....

And Diana and all the drama surrounding her is Nutmet's big "In" with Harry, so hard to believe she'd fire back saying "You don't make any sense."

I think she ran off, and they're separated, Harry's in Africa and the press via KP PR is throwing out various stories to disguise it. This the original story of her on Air Canada, and instructions not to look at her-- sounds genuine. She's not exactly a master of tact and reasonable behavior, so she probably ran off in a fit of pique over being so disliked, Harry being gone ( in his own fit of pique), being left with the Windsors who probably tried to talk to her about some of her behaviors, maybe not being allowed to do what she wants.

The pictures with the Clooney article are cobbled together and old, with a basketball pic taken a n Hawaii. Today I saw something from, maybe People claiming the four are good friends with a cutout collage of photos of the two couples pretending they are all standing on a beach.

Harry may have previously planned to go to Africa, but it's not usual for newlyweds to be separated for so long. He's not Mr. Maturity either, and to me he seems to have had enough after the wedding/ bra incident. Probably despaired after seeing her with his friends. He certainly seemed irate, and I think has disappeared since then. I'm sure the Palace is trying to patch things up and certainly cover them over with distractions.

Wow-- very much as r486 reports above! Something like this is is my feeling, as well.

r483, the monarchy survived Magna Carta, it will survive the passing of HM.

It is almost prescient in the engagement interview when HazBean are asked ostensibly, "You've met each other's families I imagine?" The couple nattered on about having made sure Meghan met all of the key people in the extended Windsor Spencer side and then song and danced on the subject of meeting family members on Meghan's end. Also chuckled when Meghan played coy at how long they'd known one another--"A year and a half? Two? A little bit more than that?" At the time of the interview they had literally only met 1 year 4 months earlier. Meghan bristled at the suggestion of a whirlwind, the implication being maybe they were being a bit rash.

That "Mad World News" is the worst sort of right wing political garbage. They may or may not know anything about the Sussex duo but it can't be worth giving them the traffic. It's disgusting.

It might be disgusting, I won't fight you, but it's the only believable article on MM I've read so far.

"You're not making any sense" IS something she'd say if she's chafing about not being able to openly curry favor with the press. She has been wearing herself to the bone leaking narratives, dropping blinds, she's so fucking reactionary she has a new narrative for every burp that's published on tumblr or shows up in the DM comments section. She wants to be free to be a celebrity, to publicize herself openly. She can't do that anyway, but Harry and William are press shy, both of them stick to the fiction that the press killed Diana, and it doesn' t make sense. If Harry pulled that out it seems like something she'd say. To to push back against his mom but to push back against the media, since as the article said, she saw herself being world famous and the center of attention, but didn't realize that she wouldn't be able to CLAIM the spotlight - she'd have to pretend to ignore it, be quiet and discreet, not create personal publicity.

How does Air Canada enforce a rule not to look at her on other paying passengers?

And you think she'd actually take off like this instead of biding her time more than a few months after the wedding? I suppose she could be that stupid but I thought she at least had more cunning as a grifter and social climber.

MM's shoes fall off because all of her clothes and shoes are samples and she's too skinny and narrow for them.

I really don't think she's that cunning, I think she's stupid. If she was, she'd handle so many things with more finesse. Including talking to her father.

Maybe so, R498, I was thinking about her going from poor kid to suitcase girl to Suits "ingenue" and from a mediocre producer to a rising star chef to a prince. That takes some cunning.

Is she intelligent? No. I read a few of her blog posts and watched a couple of interviews she did. She thinks she's smart and perhaps Harry did too, he's pretty dim.

Obviously she's not clever enough to dress herself.

True, 499!

The original report about the flight r495 suggested that the request from KP was for no one to 'approach her or photograph her' .

I believe every world of that mad world article. It rings true to me as a Brit - also Harry is well known for being dim, so I'm not surprised he apparently didn't realise what she's been up to all this time. It was clear from what I could stomach of their interview that she didn't have the first clue about what she was marrying into. The reality is not what Disney sells you. If the article is true I suspect the Palace will make some arrangement with her to fulfill her duties for a couple of years until they can reasonably be seen to drift apart.

It may sound true but no way it comes from insiders.

I think MeAgain is too "american" to understand the BRF, just like her father doesn't understand why he should shut up and stop embarrassing those privileged people who did nothing to deserve what they have.

Maybe Harry didn't want a educated,hard working,intelligent woman.At least he didn't marry one of those trashy British reality TV stars.Harry isn't the marrying type in my opinion.Apparently the queen was worried that he might get a woman pregnant so she wanted him to get married.I feel bad for anyone born into this family.They can't really be themselves or do what they want.Harry had been accused of being a drunk,partier but half of the British men are like that.

Did Meghan leak this?

504 I don't know that I believe that's the reason the Queen wanted him married - after all as she will know only too well - being married doesn't mean you won't cheat and get someone pregnant. There have been rumours about girls having abortions, particularly after the South America tour which I believe was cut short.

I can understand how MM would rebel against not defending herself in the press, as her father has done. To do nothing after being attacked is almost against human nature. But that is the deal with being in the RF or even RF-adjacent, like the Middletons. My guess is Harry is having serious second thoughts. He never counted on his marriage turning him into the black sheep of the RF. He could either resign or separate from MM. Either way, he is fucked for having made such a disastrous decision..

R484 - at Balmoral or in Caithness, where Mey is?

R480 the whole trip to canada thing was started with a post on Royal Central about how it is rumored that air canada have been warned of a trip in the near future... that post has now been deleted, but the trash online news picked it up and claimed she was actually going/already on her way without any proof, even the Dailymail got clarification & decided not the run the story.

R489 - you need to prepare yourself for disappointment on that front, mate.

Not happening. They're off somewhere quiet fucking like bunnies to get done what MM knows she absolutely must do to cement her current position in the BRF and secure any future position out of it, if it comes to that: get herself in the family way.

A collapse of this marriage at this point would be a PR disaster for the BRF, approaching that of Diana's death. It would probably also up the possibility that Harry would give up his place in the line of succession. He wants a family badly. He's still besotted with the exotic new wife.

Not in the cards. They're laying low, they have three engagements coming up in the next three weeks, and she's pulling together her wardrobe for her first foreign tour.

Put it away, son; it would generate at least 50 threads and be delicious to exclaim over, but it's not happening.

Calm your tits r510, “A collapse of this marriage at this point would be a PR disaster for the BRF, approaching that of Diana’s death”. MARY! Dim bulb is 6th in line not heir apparent. He just isn’t that important. Gossip worthy yes but not important. I don’t know anyone who expects this marriage to work out and it’s not as if it would be the first divorce the family have weathered.

Their divorce won't be a problem cause no one, besides hardcore Sugars, think they gonna be married for 50 years.

It gonna be an other Andy/Fergie divorce. Tabloid trash but that's all.

That visit announcement with the Clooneys sounded like "This Is A BIG story, folks" and made me wonder what the BRF was thinking about all this while snuggled up in their woolly tartans and going to church in wet, windy weather. The rags to riches, "no real family," "humanitarian", "D-List actress" is now luxuriating on a "mini-moon" with her Prince on Lake Como - one of the world's weathiest and desirable vacation spots (the visit even written up in Architectural Digest).

I don't see this marriage floundering as others have posted. I think Ginger Dimwit is so grateful to have someone at this stage in his life and I also think Harry ADORES hanging out with Hollywood types. It's a major thrill and a break from his crowd of buddies back home. If anything, the Clooney visit would have been orchestrated by MeAgain to show Dim Bulb that he's really small potatoes compared to the big league entertainment types she knows.

At this point, it's all optics and Harry is "living his dream."

Harry on George Clooney's private plane!

".....Since saying “I do” in May, the couple has been on a whirlwind of engagements, so a vacation was just the ticket – and their Hollywood pals George and Amal Clooney were the perfect hosts. So perfect, in fact, that the A-list couple wanted to give their royal guests the most dolce experience possible, so, naturally, the actor reportedly flew them out himself on a private plane!...."

R514 - "the couple of have been on a whirlwind of engagements..." WTF? The couple have been mostly on vacation/missing in action since their wedding. There has been no "hit the ground running" for these two lazies. Who writes this shit?

R510 I agree. They are probably very happy and enjoying each other. The Markle Meltdown is probably just a minor distraction at this point. Look at how happy she looked on the way to her wedding rehearsal after releasing a statement saying that she was saddened that her father couldn't be there. She didn't give a care.

Harry and MM know that if you ignore someone long enough, they will eventually go away. They are ignoring Papa for now.

The most interesting thing about that interview that MM's best friend did was that the best friend claimed that MM knew how to use silence to let you know that she was angry. The friend said something to the effect that MM never caved and that she was always the one that had to make things right.

[quote]A collapse of this marriage at this point would be a PR disaster for the BRF, approaching that of Diana's death. It would probably also up the possibility that Harry would give up his place in the line of succession.

It's always fun to be reminded the internet will never run out of stupid.

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The two people who hold the key to Meghan are Jessica Mulroney and Markus Anderson. Mulroney gave her social cred - as silly as Mulroney is, her husband is the high-ish profile son of a former prime minister, even though that prime minister sucked. And Markus Anderson - I'd give a lot to know his deal and what was in it for him.

Brian Mulroney is a former Conservative Prime Minister of Canada. This would explain Dim Bulb's conservative leanings as well via his statement to Pa Markle "Give Trump a Chance."

Good for her, r518. Out with the old; in with the new!

Harry needs to buy her this for Christmas.

LOL R522.

So what happened to the broken-legged beagle

...and this, r522.

She doesn't seem to ever pay attention to anything, least of all that being married to Mr. 6th in line is a world of difference than being married to the heir apparent, the Prince of Wales. There are no Diana comparisons because Diana was married to the heir. Charles is Prince of Wales now, he was Prince of Wales then. He could afford to purchase his own country estate, then, but Meghan fails to realize that he is the only child/grandchild of the queen who can do such a thing in his/her own right. Everyone else depends upon the queen, who purchased Gatscomb for Princess Anne, for example. Diana had amazing clothes and jewelry because Charles was the damn Prince of Wales and had the Duchy of Cornwall.

Further, I think while she mistook the essential differences between marrying someone far down the line and the heir, Meghan also probably had a general impression that Diana lived far more of a public life than she did. Maybe in Meghan's head stuff like the Morton book and the Bashir interview were routine, and she could see herself constantly in the media, directing that media, as Diana did in those cases. But that is not the norm, not even Diana's norm. Diana spent a lot of time up in Scotland visiting her mother. She spent a lot of time holed up with Hasnat Kahn. She spent a lot of time ducking out to see Phantom of the Opera for the eighteen billionth time. Meghan made a big mistake thinking she could be Diana, because for all of Diana's star power, that star power initially depended on her platform - wife of the heir to the throne. Mother of the upcoming heir to the throne.

Meghan's hubby is far from the throne. It is not accessible to her, this Diana crap. And only Charles has Charles money. Diana had to retrench when she was divorced. Her settlement was in trust, she lived at KP as her only home, she was happy to be invited places by celebrities, but I bet she was better liked at that level than Meghan will ever be, and received many more invites. Even if she did have to go so low as to hang with the Fayeds. She even had to start borrowing her designer dresses, according to Catherine Walker.

R522 R525

r522 and r527.

Definitely this:

Calf Augmentation surgery.

The DM is a hoot with their skill at snark wrapped in goo.

The link about the new dog at R518...

The story is one of those puff pieces about Sparkle and rescue dogs (except the one left behind and the other who was mysteriously injured and then disappeared shortly after arriving in the UK), but ...

Talking about husband (#1?, #2?) Trevor...

[quote] He let her take the dogs with her to Canada when she won a role in the hit legal drama Suits and she would take them for long walks in the snowbound local park, returning to cook herself supper.

But then, for the finale, out comes the zinger...

[quote]Two years later, she dumped Engelson, but kept the dogs.

The DM cracks me up.

A Cretaceous cascade of tumescently sesquipedalian words

Bump

Another for her Christmas list

You forgot the most obvious one

So get ready to puke... the Telegraph, the UK's leading Conservative newspaper, delivers this colonoscopy masquerading as journalism.

Apparently she's perfect and will emerge as a leading figure this fall...

The interesting: Meghan’s mother Doria, on the other hand, has remained a pillar of support, going back to her social-worker job in LA and preparing for her daughter’s next clandestine visit. No photos have emerged of her daughter visiting her since the wedding, but according to insiders, the Duchess is very good at getting over there without being seen.

The Annie get your Gravel: Judging by her first faultless 100 days, the Duchess will no doubt take it all in her stride. As she said when her engagement was announced, ‘Very early out of the gate, I think you realise you have access or a voice that people are willing to listen to and with that comes a lot of responsibility, which I take seriously.’

As one long-time observer says, ‘They’ll be doing cartwheels around Buckingham Palace. Meghan just gets it.’

Nauseating! How is she able to get in and out of the US without being seen? Is this like a "Beam me up Scotty" Star Trek thing?

R517 - When I said it would be a PR disaster for the BRF I wasn't suggesting the monarchy would collapse over it. But the fact remains that it has taken 20 year for the BRF to regain some semblance of NOT being a soap opera rather than a Noble And Important Institution Representing The Best British Values Of Home And Hearth.

Harry may be 6th in line, but until William's kids get into their teens, William and Kate, and Harry and Meghan are IT. They are the core working royals apart from the Queen, Pss. Anne, and the Wesseces, who are bland, boring, and even further down the line. Andrew keeps out of site because of the skeletons in his closet and his daughters are not working royals.

The BRF needs the PR fallout from a divorce within a year of marriage of Harry and much touted first POC to marry into the royal family, as I said upthread, like it needs a peasant revolt.

It's always reassuring to see that the Internet never runs out of people with little to no perspective on the fact that in reality, the British monarchy stands on a knife edge, dependent on public approval, and that they could be gone in an eyeblink if they lose enough credibility, which they will rapidly do once HM is raptured.

Harry is dumber than a box of rocks, but even he isn't so dumb as not to know how an early divorce after all that fuss about his poor abused mixed race girlfriend would look.

Ain't gonna happen unless and until what they call a "decent interval" has elapsed and they just seem like any other couple who gave it a good shot but "grew apart.".

R536 - The Telegraph has been selling the Wonderful Meghan Markle Story since the beginning. I'm not sure why, but they are determined to sell her to their public, and if you read the comments BTL you'll find enormous jeering and resistance, but the DT stubbornly clings to its narrative.

When Sparkle showed up to the Spencer wedding in that horrific de la Renta number, the DT was the ONLY, the ONLY, outlet on the planet to defend it.

The DT is a conservative centre-right middle-market pro-BREXIT, pro-monarchy, Tory-leaning paper, and not a tabloid.

My guess is that while PEOPLE and Lainey are Sparkle's personal allies, someone high up the food chain at Clarence House or Kensington Palace has the DT in its corner and orders to counteract the malicious damage being perpetrated on Harry's marriage by the DM and the Sun

It's a quiet little press war - which also happened, if people remember, when Charles and Diana's marriage was going down. Each party had his/her own allies in the press..

The DT' has little credibility after stoutly defending the de la Renta disaster as "not at all being 'too much'". Its columns on Sparkle collapse under their own weight of sugar and butter cream fondant.

[538] She's not the first POC to marry into the BRF. She may be the first in the current century but given we're only 18 years in and she can pass for white, it's not saying much. The thing is the vast majority - something like 2/3rds of the UK Public really don't care about those two, they weren't interested in the wedding and it got the lowest viewing figures for a royal wedding. They were beaten by Edward and Sophie!

While a divorce so soon would be bad, I don't know that it would the PR disaster you're claiming. It depends on how the BRF spin it. Would it do as much damage to the BRF's credibility with the public as much as the near constant reports about her soap opera family and her preference for buy excessively expensive high end foreign designers? In particular the latter is something that is not going down well now - her engagement dress was 3x the average annual salary I believe. I would agree though, if MeDim are going to get divorced it will be after a decent interval.

As for the Torygraph their circulation and reach isn't anywhere near that of the Daily Mail. In any press war it will come down to who gets the Daily Mail.

The picture at R536 must be from the event where the Queens courtier informed Meghan that HM would be wearing a hat and Megs said "nah."

[quote]and she can pass for white,

Oh, dear. Please tell me of one person who thought MM might be white.

R542, Honestly, until I read about her here on DL and on the DM, I wouldn't have known she was mixed race. It's not important to me, but I try to bear in mind that it's significant to many people. I've posted in many of the Meghan threads, criticizing her poor fashion choices, but I don't think I've ever mentioned her race.

R540 - So far as I can tell, the only other one is the very handsome Maori fellow that the Duke of Gloucester's daughter (Lady Rose Windsor?) married, and she's so far down the line no one even noticed. Do you know of another one - and oh please don't bring up Queen Charlotte. Show me another outright POC who married into the BRF at this level at any time in modern memory, let alone an American actress divorcee pushing 40.

R542 - Quite a few people who didn't know who she was (and those were quite a few people) thought she was a Latina at first glance. God knows she's tried her best to play down her African DNA with the hair straightening and nose job. I doubt anyone confused her with the Diana Spencers or Kate Middletons of the world, but she sure as hell doesn't "look black".

You should look up the column done on her in The Guardian by a mixed race woman who really does look black who expressed considerable anger at the Meghan Markle Phenomenon, with her light skin, straightened hair, etc., now representing the "ideal" of a mixed race woman - precisely because she doesn't look "too black".

Yes, believe it or not, there were people who weren't quite sure when they saw photos of her. She could have been Jennifer Lopez's younger sister.

Actually, a divorce sooner rather than later, would appease the public, who seem to grow more vitriolic with every passing day. Every penny spent on MM's clothes, housing, security is counted and begrudged, as if they feel it is being paid out of their own pockets.

The public, r545, or DL?

R545 - Oh, come now: the British public doesn't get out of bed of a morning thinking about Harry and Meghan. The DM and its readers may grow more vitriolic with time, but they really aren't "the public". The UK ratings for their global wedding were the lowest of any televised royal wedding since Charles and Diana, including that of the Wessexes.

But in one sense you may have a fair argument that an earlier divorce before the arrival of children might cause a major immediate flurry but get the tooth out more cleanly.

But that would only be the case if Harry were unhappy enough to risk it, and there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Harry wants shet of his new wire already.

So I stand by my guess that IF a divorce were to become a reality, it would only be after at least five years and a couple of kids.

Harry's only other alternative if he were that unhappy this early would be to give up his place in the succession to live a (very well-heeled) private life, in which case a divorce being another celebrity excitement wouldn't be so damaging to the sheen of the "magic" of royalty as more celebrity uproar within the family.

That said, I doubt Markle would be remotely willing to surrender her newly assumed wealth, status, and privilege until she's worn the mantle of an HRH and got two kids with titles to show for it.

So - standing by my analysis: ain't happening any time soon unless verifiable photos of Meghan giving head to Jessica Mulroney appear in the DM or the LED screens around Trafalgar Square.

R545 ^new wife . . .

R547

That doesn't make much sense, R547. Why would PH give us his royal status AND divorce? I would think it would be either/or.

R538 core working royals? They do the barest minimum. And you left out Charles and Camilla - remember him? He’s going to be king. They do a great deal more work than the Cambridge’s or the Sussex sideshow.

I saw a cartoon showing a black athlete dating a woman who resembled Markle, with a Greek Chorus of black women pissed off that he needs a white-looking woman. The second panel showed Harry with Markle and a Greek Chorus of black women singing hosannas that he married a black woman.

I think Sparkle looks southern Italian. A slightly better dressed version of those Jersey Shore creatures.

R544 - I asked who would think MM is WHITE, not Latina or mix-race which she obviously looks like There is no nose job, amount of hair straightening or makeup that will make her look totally Caucasian. My initial question was who thought she was white, not mixed.

R549 - Because underneath it all, I think that's what Harry really wants. An early divorce would be the perfect excuse to do what he really wanted to do but was talked out of. I think he hates the work.

R550 - I'm talking about their status and rank in the BRF, not the number of engagements they carry out. Once Charles is King, he'll be, what, 75-80?! He'll be carrying out duties of a different kind, and William will become Prince of Wales and inherit the Duchy of Cornwall with all its supervision and revenues - he and Kate will be forced further out into the public eye, especially as they will no longer have very young children as an excuse. Harry and Meghan are the future Yorks, well down the line especially when William's and Kate's children hit their late teens, start doing engagements of their own, and head toward marriage and parenthood themselves. Charles has brutally cut off Andrew and his children from central roles, the expense of the monarchy and the Sovereign Grant is something Charles will have to show is under control and not supporting ten-fifteen people's luxurious lifestyles.

William and Kate moved back to London from Norfolk, giving up their original hoped to establish their permanent base in the country for a reason. The Queen is 92, her husband is circling the drain, Charles is taking control of more issues concerning the monarchy, and the looming possibility of becoming Prince and Princess of Wales has inched considerably closer.

That's the point, that's what being core senior royals means.

She could easily pass for a Kardashian, R553, and they are straight out of Caucasus.

R544 mixed race people like Nutmeg look Latina because that'd exactly what latinas ARE. They are mixed race people.

R544 mixed race people like Nutmeg look Latina because that'd exactly what latinas ARE. They are mixed race people.

So is that why you left out two of the most senior royals after the queen r554?

The fact is Harry isn’t that important. He just isn’t. Neither is Sparkle and I think she will be disappointed when it dawns on her that she’s gossip worthy now but is the future also-in-attendance footnote in the society pages.

[quote]I saw a cartoon showing a black athlete dating a woman who resembled Markle, with a Greek Chorus of black women pissed off that he needs a white-looking woman

A LOT of successful black footballers (soccer), not only in England, date and marry white women. I don't know the percentage, but you just don't see it with successful black athletes here in the U.S. It's a huge sore point for WOC. You'll find long threads on Lipstick Alley about the topic, particularly around World Cup time. It's seen as a betrayal of black women. Some are mightily pissed off. They attribute the phenomenon to white women being another status symbol, much like a luxury car or a tacky mansion, signifying that they have "made it." Some think it's a form of revenge and nose-thumbing against the white establishment. Either way, it's an implicit statement that white women are more valuable for whatever reason. Of course, they see MM's marriage into the RF as somewhat leveling the playing field.

"they see MM's marriage into the RF as somewhat leveling the playing field."

Except Megs isn't black, she's biracial.

What Harry wants, R554, and probably Wills and Kate do as well, is to be like their rich friends, sunning themselves on a yacht in the Med, not having earnest chats over tea and biscuits with 'at risk' youths or residents of a senior care home. But on his income, he can't afford to, especially not with his wife buying £54,000 dresses.

Half black is good enough for them, R560. Why wouldn't it be?

R562 because she's not really one of them and they know it. They want to see a representation of themselves up there, and she's not it. I know she's as close as it will be, but she looks nothing like them. This is why black people get upset about biracial people being used so much on tv and in movies to represent black people. It's disingenuous and insulting to them.

Are there WOC writing editorials or posting on blogs decrying MM because she's only half black? Or Harry because he didn't go "blacker?"

Except, AS I SAID, when black athletes marry women who look like Markle, it is considered a betrayal. But when a white man of status marries a woman like Markle, it is validating. IOW, hypocrisy.

Years ago I had a summer temp job in the casting department of a NYC advertising agency that had a bunch of cosmetic accounts like Johnson & Johnson. I saw a casting breakdown for a "black" woman for an ad, and the breakdown specified cafe au lait skin and "caucasian facial features."

R564 why would there be? You can't see the difference between prince Harry and black men who make it in this world?

His wife isn't buying shit R561. Neither Charles nor Harry - who had a spat with Cressida Bonas when he balked at paying for her plane ticket - is paying for that random lot of bullshit-priced, ill-fitting, poorly constructed crap Meghan wears whenever she makes an appearance. Jessica Mulroney hooks her up, as well as the odd lot assortment of labels that will do a one off with her. Track Jessica Mulroney and you'll be able to see why Meghan wears the labels she wears. She wears what she can get, basically. They merch EVERYTHING, even Harry does. Look at the advertisement for that E-type car surfacing just now. Look at Stella McCartney, whose label has been in financial trouble, merchandising a limited edition of the reception dress Meghan wore after the wedding. Look at Givenchy.

I read some long article about Harry a long time ago, probably in Vanity Fair. His pettiness and jealousy was apparent even then. The guy spent ages pouting because he was stuck being a royal. Did he want to be a regular guy - no. He wanted to be a rich guy with no responsibilities, like many of his friends. Chelsy Davy looked like the perfect match because she seemed to like to party, but the funny thing is is that even though she is richer than Harry (or her dad is), she got a law degree and actually worked for awhile at a London law firm. She could have been a socialite, no problem.

Diana never passed her O levels and I think Harry inherited her "brains."

Yes...Chelsy...he couldn't keep his trousers zipped.. She still works. She has her own mine in SA and her own line of jewellery.

Merry Christmas, Bean

I Fedexed it to Soho Farmhouse. I hope they'll be able to get it to you.

Love,

Pa

That was nasty, R323, guy was just trying to do his job. Harry must be dumb as a box of hair to have gotten hitched to a bitch who is also a cling-on and who has dandruff. Lol. There was not exactly a line, it seems.

R564 - Check out Lipstick Alley. The discussions of colourism in the black community are up ether for all to see. And, as has been noted at least three times on these threads, even The Guardian ran a column by a mixed race woman not descrying Meghan personally, but angry at the eager acceptance of a woman who barely looks black being paraded as "progress" and, as a new entrant into one of the world's most prestigious royal families, sort of becomes the gold standard for the acceptable woman of colour:.

Below is the date and title of The Guardian article from 4 Dec 2017

the guardian - 2017 dec 04 meghan markle mixed race community prince harry

R557 - I assumed a Latina was any woman with predominantly Hispanic blood (we don't, so far as I know, have a feminised term for "Hispanic"). Queen Letizia of Spain is a Latina - does she look mixed race to you? The American census includes a category for "non-Hispanic whites". That is because some Hispanics consider themselves white, so they want to be sure they make a distinction. I grant that the general reflex of the public upon hearing the term "Latina" is to think of Jennifer Lopez or Rita Moreno. But there are plenty of women of Hispanic ancestry who don't look like Jennifer Lopez, whose ancestry harks back to Spain where, as in Italy there are striking differences in colour between north and south.

The colourism in this community, e.g., in places like Ecuador, Brazil, etc., reflects that in the black community.

So not all Latinas are, by definition, mixed race. If Queen Letizia isn't authentically a Latin woman, then she's a fried egg.

My husband was born in Cuba and is a white Hispanic. All of his family are originally from Spain, though they arrived in Cuba in the 1800s.

R573 & r574 we're not talking about them though, so enough pushing the "some latinos are white" bullshit. It's so try hard.

It's a fact R575 that some people of Latin origin are white, not "try hard." And MM has always looked Italian or Latina to me. Never knew she was biracial until she and Harry wrote those letters to the press.

[quote] the "some latinos are white" bullshit.

A lot of people of European origin in Latin America (is this description preferable?) would never deign to call themselves "Latin Americans" and deny having any indigenous or Mestizo blood. They cling to their presumed superior white heritage.

R575 - so, the fact that you're not "talking about them" means they don't exist and don't disprove your assertion that the term "Latina" always indicates a woman is, by definition, "mixed race"?

Is Queen Leitizia of Spain a Latin woman or isn't she? Is she "mixed race"?

As said upthread, I don't think anyone taking a quick look at MM for the first time lumped her with Kate Middleton or Diana Spencer.

But they didn't see her automatically as being the same as Viola Davis, Lupita N'yongo, or Michele Obama, either. She looks - ambiguously Mediterranean at first glance. She does, by the way, have African textured hair - had she left it to its natural texture, no one would have been in the slightest doubt about her being mixed race, and NOT a Latina.

Which is why she's been straightening it all this time. Her light skin and straightened hair gave her opportunities, both social and professional, that her African textured hair and slightly broader nose might have shut her out of twenty years ago.

I'm still waiting for comments on the column by Georgia Chambers that I gave a link to.

When she first came to prominence after snaring Harry I thought she was maybe Latina or Italian. I would never have guessed mixed race.

My neighbor's father is from the region of Galicia, in Spain. He has photos of his family around his apartment - the father was 6' tall, blond, and blue-eyed. Both my neighbour and his family consider themselves Hispanics, and consider themselves white.

Queen Letizia is from Asturias. There was significant Asturian migration to the Americas, including to Puerto Rico and Mexico, in the mid-19th century. Asturias was also loyal to the Republican government in the Spanish Civil war.

And it is quite true, as mentioned upthread, that in many places in Latin America, those of European descent consider themselves Latins AND white, and that huge class divides based on colourism exist to this day in those places.

Good, we get it. Some people look more white than others. Can we get back on topic?

R580 - My parents, who immigrated to California in '63, are from Cantabria in northern Spain which is just east of Asturias. This area also remained loyal to the Republican government (my paternal uncle was conscripted and killed in action when he stepped on a land mine) We are as pale as can be and have more Celtic origins than darker skinned southern Spaniards who, as I understand it, have more Phoenician (modern day Lebanon) and North African genetics.

My comment at R477 is based on my and my parents' experiences with Latin American ex pats. My parents knew other couples from Argentina, Cuba, and Puerto Rico. Each emphasized their Spanish origins and the only ones my parents believed were the Argentinians who were light-skinned as we are. They also had a very superior air about them and openly talked about pure Europeans. The other couples mentioned having had a parent or grandparent from Spain, but my parents would dismiss them as trying to put on airs or elevate themselves by claiming white background. They could not stomach the idea that they shared any origins with people who also had indigenous/Mestizo origins and were darker skinned. Even as a kid, it struck me as being so nutty, particularly since my parents were newer arrivals, had shit jobs in restaurants and we lived in a crappy apartment, while these couples were established in the U.S. longer, the men had served in the military, had better jobs, and owned their homes. The mental gymnastics that people perform to think of themselves as better than or superior is unreal.

^Argh, I meant R577

R572, I just now had a chance to read the article you directed us to. I posted upthread that I honestly didn't realize Meghan was biracial until reading it here and on the DM. I don't generally give much thought to peoples' origins when I'm out in public, to be honest. Seriously, I see plenty of wannabee Kardashians who are unlikely to have Armenian origins.

But, during Harry and Meghan's wedding, one of the things that struck me were the 'optics', since I know the British Royals are very aware of symbolism. Charles showed behavior that I think could only be described as regal, both when he walked Meghan down the aisle, and when he escorted Doria out at the end of the ceremony. England has become a multi-racial country, and the Commonwealth, of course, always has been. Charles is slated to become head of the Commonwealth. The pictures of the crowds outside the chapel showed people of every race cheering the couple.

I've been critical of Meghan, because it seems that she doesn't take the protocol surrounding the BRF very seriously. Hell, the Queen had her share her private railroad car on that one trip, which is pretty much unprecedented. So I think the Queen truly wants her to succeed, and Meghan doesn't appreciate the guidance she's been receiving.

R581 - nice evasion. Exactly what does "whiter" mean? It's as if you're not willing to admit that some people really ARE white. And some people really ARE black. And some people really are mixed race, and some of those are Latinas and some of those aren't, and Meghan Markle looks more like a Latina with a bit of North African blood than a black woman or the woman who wrote the column in The Guardian - something MM used to her advantage in show business and social networking upward in Toronto, and enhanced by straightening her hair and narrowing her nose a bit surgically, and since her "style" IS the topic at hand, we've circled back to it quite nicely, thank you.

Not looking too black has been part of MM's style. She didn't know most of the black people at her own wedding, except maybe Serena Williams. Those were optics.

And her style "muse" is quite obviously (and ludicrously, given how different their bodies are) Audrey Hepburn - it doesn't get much ore white than Audrey Hepburn, whose signature designer was . . . Givenchy.

[Bold]How much has Meghan Markle spent on clothes since she got engaged?[/bold]

[Quote]According to official records, in 2017-2018, Prince Charles divvied up $8.3 million between Prince William, Kate Middleton, Prince Harry and Markle. But this money is only for official royal duties. What they wear on their downtime is on their own dime.

Says she absolutely positively is not getting freebies.

She supposedly spent $1.5 million? Bitch looks like shit. She should have invested in some good bras.

Her entire ill-fitting wardrobe is freebies. And it was Markle herself who issued the information containing the contradictory information that she was giving up her show business life while retaining representation - PR and agents - to field offers.

Dangling Tendrils Part 9.

Special thanks to Jessica Mulroney for countless hours of fun on Dangling Tendrils.

MM's husband working up a sweat trying to keep up with his fashion forward wife.

Hems can never be long enough.

Can we expect more eye-watering Givenchy, Ralph Lauren frocks on MM's Australia tour?

Designers and their muses seek inspiration from exotic locales.

[quote]some people really ARE white. And some people really ARE black. And some people really are mixed race

Being white has nothing to do with race and Latino is not a race. The races are Europeoid (Caucasoid), Negroid, Mongoloid and Australoid. The world is big, and the overwhelming majority is not even familiar with the American concept of “whites” as first class citizens, where being white is equated with being WASP, so that anyone if Irish, Italian or Hispanic descent is automatically considered non-white, and, by some weird reverse logic, non-European aka mixed-race.

I think when you see MM next to her mother, you see she is at least half black. They look very much alike.

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Will Doria need her parka when she takes up permanent residence at Kensington Palace?

Half messy bun and half-something else.

The Versatile Bathrobe - MM's signature style. Can be worn at engagement appearance photo shoots, Christmas with the Royals, and every day shopping.

Meghan Markle's distraught father Thomas 'BEGS for FINAL CHANCE’ at SHOCK US reunion.

Canadian media now reporting on the Markle soap opera.