Part 7: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, Is It Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

MM's idea of looking fashion forward at a British summer country wedding.

[quote]As [R570] supposes, Kate probably does have her high street clothing altered to fit her better.

Well known that she does. But it works.

“Dress shabbily and they remember the dress. Dress impeccably and they remember the woman.” -- Coco Chanel

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Why does everything look better on the models?

R5 Can't stand it on either woman.

I’m dragging this over from the end of the last thread because until now I thought the shoe problem only affected her heels. Look at the gap at the front; the shoe is standing an inch above her toes.

I posted that r7 and didn't see that gap at the toe. Hilarious.

I can't imagine what she's going to do with her hair in places like Tonga where the humidity is going to be off the chart. Even Kate's glossy locks got a little frizzy when she visited India. Even Meg's tendrils won't be able to stand up to the hot damp climate.

[quote] I’m dragging this over from the end of the last thread because until now I thought the shoe problem only affected her heels. Look at the gap at the front; the shoe is standing an inch above her toes.

Supposedly she buys her shoes a size bigger because they won't be tight if her feet swell up. I'm a female and I buy all my shoes a half a size bigger and put a pair of heavy duty insoles in them because I stand all day (8 to 10 hours). The half a size bigger is so that I can put the heavy duty insoles in them and my shoes won't be tight because the insoles take up a lot of space and will make your shoes too tight if you buy your normal size shoe. But Meghan doesn't have to stand that long (a few hours at the most). And it still doesn't explain why her shoes are so damned big. No one's feet swell an entire size. She must be getting them for free from someone. Is she friends with any celebrities? Because celebs get free stuff all the time

She should just buy a few pairs of shoes. A few pairs in black and a few in nude (but a color that matches her skin very well). And just wear them all the time. It's what Kate did. She found a pair of nude shoes that match her skin very well (it elongates her and makes her seem even taller) and she bought a bunch of pairs of them. She wears them all the time. So much so that everyone comments that she's always "wearing her favourite pair of shoes). But they look very good on her. And the tabloids always make a positive big deal about Kate being thrifty and wearing the same shoes. They really make a positive big deal out of it when Kate wears clothes from a high street store (off the rack from a department store)

It's 2018. No one expects royalty or celebs to wear a brand new outfit and brand new shoes to every single event. As a matter of fact all anyone ever does in articles is criticize the royals or celebs on how much they spent on their clothes/shoes and how the money could have gone to help the homeless etc, etc. Meghan would do well to learn from Kate

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After a few years in England, MM will inevitably go to a shorter weave or cut, r9. The tendrils and long floppy hair will not be practcal. She'll figure it out after a few more hair disasters.

Here's what I don't get. Meghan was capable of wearing decent and occasion appropriate clothes before meeting Harry. This pretty floral sundress she wore for a Suits event would have been perfect for the English countryside summer wedding last weekend. Yet she wore BLACK. At some point she knew how to dress herself correctly (or someone else did). Man is she totally lost now...or trying WAY too hard and just getting it wrong every time.

She's still holding onto that long, floppy hair in that photo, r14. Dress is nice though.

Talk about hair disasters--- Princess Anne!

Why does she wear that horrible Dracula helmet hair?

There are pictures of when she was young where has on bell-bottomed jeans. Her hair is normal and it's long, flowing hair.

Princess Anne is a tragic story, r16. Now all she ever styles her hair is in that Yorkshire pudding bun.

Why r13? Cannot hasn't figured that out and cut her hair.

Different hair issues, r18.

Don't be ridiculous r19. There is no hair issue that requires or should be fixed by cutting off your hair. I swear, the stupidity is astounding.

Here's a big question. Meg and Harry's visit will occur in the Austral spring. They'll be going into Australia, Fiji, the Kingdom of Tonga, and New Zealand in the middle of their spring months (the equivalent of late April in our hemisphere). Will she continue with the bland, dark, drab outfits or finally turn it around and be seasonally appropriate while visiting the Commonwealth countries? If she wears black, navy, etc as she's done during Britain's actual summer it will prove she's a fashion idiot. I can't wait to see her wearing funereal black in tropical Fiji, which we all know she will.

I think she's ll bring with her a stylist, a make-up artist and a hairdresser.

After few weeks of holidays, it's gonna be her great come back, her Princess's reborn.

OT: but anyone else think it's creepy how british aristos (think Harry) love spending so much time in Africa, playing white saviors with poor little black children.

R22 "After few weeks of holidays, it's gonna be her great come back, her Princess's reborn."

We can only hope that the other royals at Balmoral are schooling her on her terrible fashion choices. But I doubt it. The Queen hates confrontation and Megs won't listen to someone like Princess Anne. If Harry has talked to her about her fashion choices, it didn't work as she wore that horrid and cheap looking mostly black Club Monaco dress to his best friend's wedding ceremony. I think he's given up at this point.

After that horrific grey Roland Mouret dress in Dublin with the obviously too tight strapless bra that made her boobs slide towards her belly, I think he's considered her a lost cause. She had a chance to redeem herself at the Charlie van Straubenzee wedding and bombed hard. Unless the Palace hires her a stylist for the trip down under who dictates her wardrobe, she will continue to be an embarrassment. Especially after being cooped up in Scotland for a month without getting the paparazzi attention she lives for. I think her being kept out of the public eye for the next month -- and few engagements in September -- will make her go hog wild on "fashion" for her overseas trip with Harry in October. But before then we get to see what new disaster she wears to Eug's wedding on Oct. 12.

Didn’t know that Princess Anne is the President of the UK Fashion and Textile Association. And she is always dressed impeccably. She must be so annoyed with Meghan.

There was a discussion at the end of the last thread that was interesting and that I hadn't considered, i.e. that from post-college to her mid/late 30s, MM was dressing like a starlet. Maintaining a career in Hollywood means always selling yourself as desirable, etc.

Now she has a different career and has struggled to make the adjustment. She has tried on a few new personas. One is "Grand Lady" which would be the Dior New Look inspired outfits seen at the Trooping of the Color, the Memorial thing, the polo wrap dress. Then there's the City Sophisticate which is the neutrals, bra outline dress in Ireland, the baptism one. The Poor Widdle Me, the naïf adrift in a strange new world, is all those too large, sloppy wrap coats with skirts hanging beneath the coat hem she wore to pre-wedding walkabouts.

The two wedding guest outfits are outliers. The toile bedspread was her stab at high fashion at an event in which the general rule is "look pretty and don't outshine the bride". It's not opening night at the opera. That dress was so unsuitable, too large, so unwieldy that she had to walk clutching the sides together otherwise it would've opened up to her hip. How does she not see that in her dressing room in the morning and choose another dress to wear? Was she so focused on the wedding goals of pastel and ruffles that she couldn't see how it overwhelmed her short frame? So then, the next wedding she rebounds in the opposite direction and goes for inexpensive, dark, no ruffles, and office wear.

I can understand not wanting to be a Kate clone because Kate is doing that innocuous thing, being tasteful rather than stylish. She's dressing like someone twice her age. She's stuck with that because that's what the public wants, a continuation of Elizabeth. For Kate to start dressing more fashionable (not trendy), more sophisticated like Letizia, I think people would not approve. Too flashy. They want safe and borderline dowdy.

MM can take on that more fashionable role, maybe she thinks she has, but for some reason (no personal taste or style, bad advice, heedless of the details) she hasn't. The person in the last thread who pointed out that Kate buys a lot of off-the-rack clothes and then has them altered is spot on. Meanwhile MM looks like she's grabbed every freebie thrown at her. It's not a good look.

[quote]Off topic - Should tall women cursty to the point of kneelng?

R4, some women in British life seem to get off on taking the curtsy from good manners to the burlesque. Margaret Thatcher was another one liked doing a dive to deep she threatened to turn suction cup. And, of course, everybody's favourite guest who won't go away....

Fergs also passed on her techniques to the ugly step sisters... or maybe they're trying to sneak in here, not sure...

Curtsying looks stupid.

R26......."Everybody's favorite guest who won't go away"

I 💟 YOU !

I kind of get what Meghan is trying to do, but the execution is poor.

Princess Anne's hairdo looks like Wilma Flintstone's.

Anne WISHES!

Diana was over 5'10" and mastered the formal curtsy beautifully. It's not the height, it's the ability to balance, which I suppose is also related to muscle strength. Diana was athletic and also had years of dance training. If she could sustain an arabesque in pointe shoes (which some charming photos of her in her mid-teens shows she did), the formal curtsy probably wasn't difficult for her. Is Theresa May tall? I hadn't noticed - she looks average height to me.

Back to Meghan's wardrobe challenges, I mentioned in the Theresa May/curtsy thread the beautifully dressed Danish princesses at the opening of the Folketing each year, who give Queen Margrethes very respectful curtsies, indeed.

Mary of Denmark is quite a bit smaller in person (as I mentioned, I was in the crowd once for an opening of the Folketing) than she appears in photos, I was a bit surprised at this, she photographs "bigger", Although not as short as MM. she also hasn't much of a waist, something her clothing choices work hard to compensate for, mostly successfully. She was wearing a beautiful fawn-coloured coat dress with side-seaming rather than a belt and simple toning accessories in that hat, shoes, and handbag department. She is not beautiful, but reasonably pretty, with large brown eyes and long dark hair. Admittedly, she has better legs than MM, but still, Mary is no Diana Spencer. Nevertheless, Mary managed to look exquisitely lovely, dignified, and put together at this event. The sister-in-law, the French girl who is the second son's second wife, looks so much like Mary that it is startling, and also was beautifully dressed in tailored but feminine clothes.

There are examples for MM to look at beyond Britain. She could do much worse than review the approaches of the two Danish princesses.

I think Theresa May is about 5’8”. Taller than average.

R34 - Is she really? This escaped me. At any rate, she is I think over sixty, and doesn't seem to have led a particularly athletic life - nor does she strike me as particularly imaginative. Her clumsy leadership of the government is of far more concern than her clumsy curtsies. But again I digress . . .

r35 - BOJO?

R36 - Oh, do you really want to bring Boris Johnson into this thread about Meghan Markle's wardrobe?! As I said, I digressed.

Let's not and say we did, or open another thread. I'm not sure how many Brits are around this site, but if there are enough, I'm sure we could easily get to 600 posts in no time at all on the subject.

As for Sparkle getting advice about clothes, watch Autumn, wife of Peter Phillips' response when asked about joining the Royal Family. She specifically talks about clothes. Check it out at 1:35 mark.

Lovely couple in that interview. Is that jacket Chanel? Nice mix of upmarket and down.

R38 Lord, the journalist has a boner for the Queen.

Basically, and not surprisingly, they don't have much interesting things to say.

Being a Royal must be fucking boring, Meghan won't bear it.

Catherine takes one fashion tip from the Queen: wear bright colors so the people who come to see her don't have any problem picking her out in a crowd.

Dark colors like black, gray, brown make you blend in with everyone else.

Except at weddings. And baptisms.

Jackie Kennedy (when First Lady) also wore bright clothes when on "official" visits. As with the Queen, hats too.

So that with a big crowd, if people just see the flash of color, they can know they "saw" them.

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From the article in R44 - "Meghan's had to deal with a lot of self-esteem issues growing up with a narcissist". WTF? So she became one herself? Oh my sides.

Another gem: "She has tools to cope with emotional blackmail".

Yeah, she pretends they don't exist. I think her family and the public have kind of figured that out long ago.

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She talks like an 18-year-old college freshman.

Which is fine if that’s what you are, but deeply, deeply creepy coming out of the mouth of a 37-year-old woman.

Is this an LA thing? Most of the Angelenos I’ve met have the mentality of pre-teens. No grown-ups there.

R49, you're going to love this. Meghan, in full-on Valley Girl mode, being completely rude to an interviewer, as she chews gum! Gum! Move over Carole Middleton.

She was merely a second-lead on a cable show on an obscure network and yet Total Diva.

MM turned that interviewer's momentary distractin aganst him by trying to belittle him, r50. What a piece of work she is.

^^^^ distraction

The clip at R49 is fascinating because it appears SHE’S the one being rude by going on and on. It’s part of the job to give good sound bite and respect the reporters’ time and their need to talk to other people.

The CORRECT response from Sparkle would have been to laugh at herself with a “but listen to me, I could talk all day I love this character so much.... I really appreciate your talking to me!” Gracious, wraps the conversation politely, AND let’s reporter know she noticed his distraction (if she really needs to call him out.)

But no, she is what I call a “tacky blurter.” A certain kind of person (usually blue-collar type) who somehow thinks it’s noble and “real” to blurt out whatever pops into their head.

Re-posting from Part 2. Worth a look in light of r50's post.

What a dumb whore! Also getting to hate her face the more I see it. That jutting chin, does she have an underbite?

She needs to cut her hair to shoulder length. The four inches of ends look like straw.

I know her hair is difficult but other biracial and black women have the same problems but manage to look fabulous. She needs to start deep conditioning and get a hairdresser who knows what they’re doing. A shorter length would soften that hard jaw and get rid of the four inches of burnt stubble at the same time. Go for a relaxed look instead of attempting and failing to achieve straight and shiny. Don’t work against what you have, work with it and accentuate it.

This.

^^^^ Oops wrong thread!

Wow. The clip in R49 makes her seem awful.

Insufferable.

The male host is even MORE insufferable.

I can’t believe this tedious bitch has the balls to babble about “women’s equality,” then chuck her whole life to marry a dimwit.

It's a tough job but someone's gonna do it, r63.

MM - Suffering for the "cause "r63.

Someone count the buzzwords per minute in r61's link.

Larry King (such as he is) is a DL FAV, r62.

Boy, did she get lucky with this fluke idea she had at 11 (fostered and facilitated by her dad, as usual!)--it's been her claim to fame. Frankly I think her dad sounds really great. He has a very unusual and giving personality ( most non-wealthy parents do not push themselves to send their kids to exclusive private schools, and would not spend lottery winnings to send ONE kid through a great school; and has been so encouraging to his daughter, helping her gain self esteem in many outside-of-the-box ways -maybe he was too successful, lol) And he seems to be the one with a lot of great, inclusive ideas; and a very nice father for a girl. I wonder if she's so bitter and vindictive because she grew up with this expansive personality, and felt overshadowed-- she wants people to think SHE'S the one with the ideas. I do think he's just very hurt by her sharper than a serpents's tooth act-- he seems very loving. And I'm sure he IS worried about the atmosphere she sold herself into-- looks good on paper, but not what many parents would think is the best for their child-

Here's a whole article on all the nice things Meghan's dad did for her, in her own words.

[quote] "The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town in Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up and have so much.

"He put gas in my car when I went from audition to audition trying to make it as an actress. He is the person who believed in this grand dream of mine well before I could even see it as a possibility...

He gave. And gave. And gave.

She took. And took. And took. Until he had nothing left.

And then she dumped him.

Harry ought to pay attention. When someone tells you who they really are, believe them. She’s a user.

Oh well, look at it this way, r69, she's Ginger Dimwit's problem now.

I think you meant this famous saying, r71.

Change that to, "She's the BRF's problem now.".

No I didn’t r73. We’re all very familiar with Maya Angelou and I wasn’t quoting her.

Wow, r49’s clip shows what an ungracious bitch she is. When a person takes any opportunity to put others at a disadvantage, it shows their character.

It’s always worth it to raise others up. And it doesn’t have to be at your expense, either.

Her speaking style is forced and mannered. She comes off as ice cold.

People Magazine compiled all the looks and how to copy her iconic style. You cannot make this shit up.

In one of the photos, r78, I spotted these awful shoes. The big ugly ankle straps are only there to hide her bird ankles.

I could buy that the shoes are too big in case her feet swell, but what of all the DRESSES that are far too big? She should be wearing petites at least a size or 2 smaller in most cases. She should gain back at least 5 lbs of the weight she has lost, will increase her chances of getting knocked up and she will fill out her clothes better.

Whoever was the stylist for Suits should be brought on board. Never saw the show but in photos she looks SO much better.

She does seem cold and bitchy, did Harry mistake her for someone warm and happy like Kate? If he has kids with her it will be the biggest mistake of his life. I think she swings from cold to clingy and helpless, that gets old fast.

Asians are quite petite but do not wear clothes and shoes several sizes too big, at least not consistently. There is something else going on.

I think the issue is hiding plain sight, r81. She has no shape to speak of. That and being short with skinny legs - bet she has a complex and hides behind over-sized clothing.

Short. Shapeless. Skinny.

She actually looks fat in that black dress.

The legs jutting out don't lie, r84. The black dress simply emphasizes her small, boxy torso.

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She looks like a 12 year old girl who has stuffed kleexnex in her mom's bra to look grown up.

She's so much more confident in the pant suits when her legs are hidden. Her posture in dresses is painful to look at.

Her feet swell? Is she pregnant? Does she have health issues? Does she work retail?

Who buys shoes too big because her “feet might swell”? Swimming in oversized shoes is just as uncomfortable as wearing shoes that are too small. And when you’re wearing stiletto hooker shoes to walk in, you’re risking a fall.

I just don’t understand why she can’t get properly-fitted shoes. It’s not like she’s shopping at Payless. It’s been a while since I shopped at a fancy store, but I think the sales people want to sell you shoes that fit.

Parents are supposed to give.

Father’s are supposed to work themselves hard to support their kids.

Father’s are supposed to fawn over their daughters and give them whatever they can.

That’s all in the parenting rule book.

Then MM was luckier than most, r90.

[QUOTE] someone warm and happy like Kate?

My sides!

She’s like an itty bitty Angie Jolie copycat.

It is hard to imagine how the ugly kid living over the garage turned into such a haughty bitch.

Her father is a oaf but he clearly adores her.

He doesn't know how to deal with the press and the BRF the right way, clearly no spin doctor works with him. He did many mistakes but I doubt he stays awake at night wondering how he could humiliate his precious bean.

Her siblings are an other matter.

On the other hand, Meghan is a cold ass bitch.

She used him all her life for money or sugary anecdotes for her "speeches", but now that daddy is a burden she tells the Daily Fail how it would be better if he was dead. She's a real cunt.

And an arrogant one, the host doesn't care about your stupid pathetic tv character, move on, no need to try to humiliate him.

She's fucking passive-aggressive, no doubt now she leaked stories about Kate not being nice enough with her.

[quote] but now that daddy is a burden she tells the Daily Fail how it would be better if he was dead.

I missed this interview.

Nah, it was title misleading.

The glimpses of Sparkle in all that earlier coverage brutally show what a self-absorbed narcissistic ambitious and completely fasle-faced bitch she is. The entire set of speeches and appearances shows a ferociously hungry psyche giving a lesson in How To Reinvent A New Persona With Very Little Promising Original Material.

That Harry Windsor fell for this grasping famewhore is quite sad; that his family allowed him to marry her AND foist her off on the British public is shocking. One can only fervently hope to live long enough to see what happens when Harry and the family wake up to rue the day.

The White Markles are trash, but I wonder why the Black Raglands have nothing nice to say about her.

They could balance things a bit, but nothing. It's true Meg didn't invite any of them to her wedding so they must hate her too. They just don't blab in the Fail.

Meghan makes me think of the Fraus DL always complain about. It's all about her, her feelings, her wishes, whatever the people around her.

She's really the daughter of her parents, Dad is the same and Ma "only help others if they can do something for you" must be not better.

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"Her ambition was to win an Oscar or Broadway".

Meghan was clearly delusional about her "craft".

Missing: Then she wanted to win the Nobel Peace Prize

In that Larry King clip. She seems to think she’s the first person in the world to drink wine.

You forgot Pulitzer Prize r102. Her blog was up there with Watergate and Profumo for exposing the fashion industry for sending out free samples 10 inches too long and with buttons that fly open at the pop of a flashbulb.

[quote]The White Markles are trash, but I wonder why the Black Raglands have nothing nice to say about her.

I think the black Raglands may - just may - have the self respect and dignity to stay the hell out of this mess and keep their mouths shut. Though I think I recall a piece with an interview including the uncle who was an ambassador or in the diplomatic corps, expressing modest disappointment he wasn't invited, given that he had helped her secure a job or work term. An ex ambassador or diplomat on her side of the aisle would have done something for the coverage that day.

Before he started behaving badly I think the father came across as a decent sort. I think she has made him feel excluded and he's fallen into the hands of people who are manipulating him, egging him, winding him up and possibly paying him. I'd bet the mouthiest step sister is on the phone with the guy more in the last six months than she has been in the past twenty years.

Sorry, was wrong. The diplomat uncle was a Markle.

She isn't very bright if she didn't figure the easier thing was to invite the best of the lot. But no, Oprah and Amal Clooney. That told you all you need to know.

In the photo at R100 she looks like she used to have breast implants. Did she have them removed?

From the link at R100

[quote] Meghan worked on Deal or No Deal as she struggled to make ends meet after leaving her job at the US Embassy in Argentina in order to pursue her career as a full-time actress.

It was an internship at the Embassy and haven't there been some rumors about her behavior while interning? They make it sound like she had a long term job instead of an internship she got over others because her uncle helped her.

[quote] She has previously described the gig as a 'learning experience', telling Esquire: 'I would end up standing up there forever in these terribly uncomfortable and inexpensive five-inch heels just waiting for someone to pick my number so I could go and sit down.'

So, why is she still wearing the five-inch heels now?

"The five-inch heels" are easier to endure since they come with a few castles, r108.

I like to think that MM is genuine and really loves Harry. I also like to think that her family is very toxic and she has cut them off for good reason.

If she is a user, I hope that it works out well for her because it seldom does. It works for a while, but there is a price to pay.

R110 You can at least see her nice girl stuff is an act.

I mean, her interview on the red carpet was fucking passive-aggressive for a girl who "has not a bad bone in her".

It's not very polite for an host to half-listening, but it's also his job to look when his next guest is coming. All the "I'm a native, where did you go to school?" was totally unnecessary. She was fake smiling and gnashing her teeth.

She's not a nice person. She smiles as you as long as she can gain something then move to the next target.

The DM has put up an article today quoting someone from her Deal or No Deal "Suitcase Girl" saying that "she was slightly duchessy then".

Quelle surprise!

Yes, her reaction was to try and wrong foot the interviewer. It's a subtle thing though.

Actually, that clip of her with the interviewer is pretty funny when you watch the more recent video of her either being barely noticed (after all, who wouldn't rather be one-on-one with the QUEEN) and at another event, turning her back on the QUEEN.

Me, Me, Me!

And did I mention, ME!

Not all that subtle, r113. Did you catch the part at the end where she calls him out on misspellng her name and then lets out an "innocent' laugh with sinister undertones while staring straight into the camera.

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That red carpet interview I linked at R50 should be required viewing for all Meghan fans. She really shows her true colors with the way she switched on and off from Evil Bitch to So Cal Prom Queen (she was the Prom Queen) temporarily condescending to the nerd because he's got the answers to today's algebra quiz.

Going on and on about her character's arc while knowing full well that the reporter had a line of interviewees behind her to get to, then going for the jugular, followed by the kissy-kissy Hollywood fakeness, still with the undercurrent of "fuck with me and I will cut a bitch."

Stupid Harry. But then, he's an entitled bitch too, aiming a ball at the press pack during the polo match recently, without caring that it could have really hurt someone.

eh r116, desperation ploy by the DM because there's no news coming out of Balmoral.

R116 The Markles keep giving.

He may have lied to Harry but Harry was dumb enough to believe him, otherwise KP would not have published the threat against the nasty paps following daddy dear.

Meghan had a singular eye on raising her profile to stratospheric heights by marrying into the BRF at the expense of considerably lowering the public’s perception of Harry to stupidity proportions.

R116 - Hard to predict, buy my guess is, when Harry gets bored. She's the dominant partner as long as he's still enthralled. When the sheen wears off and he gets tired of both the work and her is when the danger point will arise. Meggsy will never get another gig like this and she knows it, they'll have to carry her kicking and screaming out of Kensington Palace or Kensington Cottage or that place in the Cotswolds they've got a two-year lease on.

Hence my recommendation some time earlier that we take up a collection and send Harry a box of condoms so that she doesn't turn up In the Club in five minutes. He's still got time to plan for a "trial separation" next year, but not if that baby appears. As has been noted repeatedly - that baby is the key to the fan being turned off before the proverbial can hit it.

My guess is given that MM barely gave him time to fully utter his marriage proposal that the Baby Bump will be well underway before he knows what hit him. She is ALWAYS two or three steps ahead of Ginger Dimwit, r121.

Harry: "This beautiful woman tripped into my life..."

MM: "It was just an amazing surprise, it was so sweet and natural and very romantic. He got down on one knee (giggle)...."

No shape? Good for her, she's didn't get a boob job. However, a stylist would help Ms Markle.

Many have said that she did get a boob job but she had the implants removed later. This is either true or she had a REALLY excellent push-up bra on "Deal Or No Deal:". Maybe Pa Markle paid for those procedures too. God knows he paid for everything else.

I've seen the same scenario in real life that I see playing out in Nutmeg and her family. The older children of divorce are often neglected, rarely see their father and become bitter and jealous as adults (half brother and half sister). The later marriage and any children born are spoiled and given everything including lots of attention, they take things for granted but when circumstances change, they're rarely around for the helpful parent to return the favor (Nutmeg). When her father was no longer of any use to her due to his diminished circumstances, her attitude towards him changed. I've seen it time and time again.

Interesting!

I'm looking at some of the outfits in the People article that r78 linked. And she really did wear a fair number of British designers during the engagement period. What happened between then and now that she rarely does anymore?

Kensington Palace has confirmed that Harry's back in his Love Nest, Botswana, alone. He's been married less than 90 days and yet has made two solo trips to the country where he traditionally took his floozies, including Meghan, whom he took on their third date.

Pretty unusual for a newlywed to bail twice on his wife within the first three months, wonder what's up?

R126, the royal family are not allowed to accept freebies, so perhaps Meghan was getting British designers directly before her wedding and now has to have any clothing that Chuck won't pay for funneled to herself through friends, and maybe Chuck's not paying for much - she's the wife of the 6th in line, not that important - so she's dependent on the quasi-freebies. Probably most of them are coming via Jessica Mulroney, who's in on the deal, and so Meghan is limited to designers Jessica can get.

In any case, she's a blithering idiot, because if she's not getting freebies, she's spent almost $1 million on clothing since the wedding, which makes her look like a greedy ho. If she is getting freebies, rather than buying cheaper clothing, Charles knows and her extravagance and flouting of the laws will be a strike against her.

R17 Anne looks pretty. I would never have recognized her. She looks a bit like the young Queen Noor (nee Lisa Halaby).

Guessing that MM might be under Visa immigration restrictions - for eg, can't leave U.K. until citizenship is granted. Every country has its own landed immigrant rules and regulations to follow. Which culd explain why she didn't accompany him on trip to Amsterdam on July 25. MM missed a BIG photo OP in Amsterdam.

If MM is not subject to Visa restrictions, which would be more logical since she is obviousy free to travel to Australia in a few weeks' time, then Harry might simply be desperately scouting for fashion ideas for his wife after rummaging through Kate's closet and finding nothing to MM's tastes.

[quote] ...can't leave U.K. until citizenship is granted

Not so. She went with Harry to Ireland.

Hahaha!!! He went off to Botswana and left Shparkesh at Balmoral with the wading boots?

*Shparklesh

I'm guessing she's hanging curtains In their new home, r131.

Last time Harry went to Botswana, which was just after his May wedding, he came back with a new Love Bracelet. Harry is known to gift his conquests with a beaded African bracelet, then wear a matching one himself. Putting her own African Love Bracelet on social media was one of the many ways Meghan announced to the world that she'd bagged Prince Dimwit. So which lovely lass did Harry give the post-wedding Love Bracelet to?

I think Ginger Dimwit is in actual fact on a very short leash, r134. MM is stage 4 Clingy. His cell would be ringing every 5 minutes the moment he's out of her sight.

R133 - That photo of Sparkle in the de la Renta tablecloth is one of the most unfortunate yet illustrative of her leg problem.

R135 - Odd you should mention that - Chelsy was thought to be too clingy and Harry's "inner circle" therefore were worried about her as a potential bridge. Irony of ironies . . .

R135- Well, bloody hell, again - "worried about her as a future BRIDE"

R127, I can see why he'd leave Megs at home. He wouldn't be able to help Rhinos with her velcroed all over him, clinging on to his every move. And why would she want to go? She got her Prince and can't wear six inch heels and $3K dresses in the wilds of Botswana.

Botswana is Meg's Balmoral, pretending to love it while Harry was courting like Diana did Balmoral while both hated the country and the wilderness.

If she calls, he's probably "Sorry, old sport, didn't hear the phone-- the elephants, what!". He probably doesn't even ask her-- she wakes up in the morning and he's gone-- leaves a note with the footman, or something to that effect. He really has the upper hand now, what's MeAgain going to do, leave and go home to Pop? No gold sunglasses and have to do her own cleaning. Didn't he leave the last time after another wedding debacle? ( Blue curtain dress.) Probably gets frustrated between the horrible impression she makes on the public, and seeing her compared to his friends. Have we seen Chelsy? Maybe he's meeting her...

[quote] He really has the upper hand now, what's MeAgain going to do, leave and go home to Pop?

Thanks R140. I never really thought about it this way. I wonder what resources she herself can access without Harry? Of course, she must have her own protection people, but can she just fly away on the RF's dime?

And I remain dubious about that huge apartment being renovated in Kensington Palace. Aren't the newlyweds still living in Nottingham Cottage? I don't think William & Kate got the big apartment until they had a child? Perhaps the RF have told the workmen to take it slow.

She may have been so sharp she cut herself!

There's definitely a power "imbalance" if she hasn't figured that out yet. Whereas before, she could intimidate interviewers, dump friends, boyfriends, and assert her imaginary authority, she is now very much beholden to Harry. She has to be on her very best behavour around him and his family including the courtiers.

Builders work on 21-room Kensington Palace flat for Harry and Meghan, r 141.

According to the DM: Royal courtiers were last year keen to let it be known that the couple would immediately be living at Nottingham Cottage - Harry's 'batchelor pad' in the grounds of the Kensington Palace - for the foreseeable future. But insiders have known for some time that it was always Harry's intention to move out of the cosy two-bed 'Nott Cott' as soon as possible and into Apartment 1 - a stunning 21-room wing of the palace.

Come on, guys. Harry's solo trips to Lesotho and Amsterdam were both for his charity work. They were planned well in advance.

[quote] it was always Harry's intention to move out

That may be.

But then, it's not Harry's choice, is it? It doesn't belong to him. Nor does Nottingham Cottage belong to him.

No property belongs to Harry.

And should Granny or Charles want to put those plans on hold, Harry's intentions won't mean a thing.

Those renovations and how long they take, and when the are actually finished, could very well depend on how the newlyweds behave.

Remember that part of Diana's demands during the Charles/Diana divorce was that she got to remain at Kensington Palace. It very well may be that, having seen that happen with Diana, the Queen might be wary about the possibility of another ex or estranged wife being a permanent fixture at KP.

Perhaps Sparkle should have some second thoughts about her wardrobe choices. Not to mention her big mouth family.

What do they do all day at Balmoral?

R144, I don’t doubt that. But why isn’t Shparklesh accompanying him?

Maybe she doesn’t like Africa as much as she pretended to? The Firm is using this downtime to train her? H asked her to stay behind?

I thought the evenings at Balmoral were spent playing board games. Have I been misinformed?

r1

Look at that gorgeous face!

Then your eyes travel down and you see how terribly dressed she is;Megs is consistently poorly dressed.

The comments about her nappy hair are so fucking stupid. Every woman including white women (and man including some of you you Dls) who uses a ceramic iron to "style" her hair is straightening her hair.

My black grandmother ( who was in fact, of German, African and some Native American decent with thick hair down to her waist) worked as a hair dresser for some time in the 1940s and 50s, She told her children and grand children of the many "white" customers who regularly had their hair straightened.

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R149, there are a few people here who comment on the texture of MM’s hair, calling it nappy or whatever. That can be construed as racially-charged.

From what I understand, MOST of the discussion around MM’s hair is that it’s uncontrolled and looks messy (hence, the title of these threads). I’ve seen comments saying it’s too long and looks damaged. And that she keeps touching it and fussing with it.

Two different things.

Lol what is this thread? Total frau central. Its like the white fraus of the old television without pity celeb forums finally found a place to congregate because they are unwelcome at lipstick alley

Fergie is not "makeup free" in that photo. That is just DM blagging.

I'm sure those visits to Botswana are nothing to do with Sparkle and were long-planned in advance, and have to do with Harry's charity work. How he feels about getting away from her is anyone's guess. I think it's a bit early to make judgements from afar on that.

R146 - Long walks, family picnics, stalking and shooting, fishing. Four-five changes of clothes necessary for the women: casual dresses (but not trousers) for breakfast, "walking/stalking/fishing" clothes, another change of clothes for tea, and then full evening dress for dinner. Yes, even on vacation in August-September.

R151 - "nappy" is a common term for African textured hair used by the black community itself. It isn't like using the other n-word. Pretending there are no issues for black women about their hair is absurd - it's been written about extensively. Yes, white actresses and women straighten curly hair - Gwyneth Paltrow (an actress I despise, by the way) is a classic example: she has brown curly hair. If she hadn't straightened it and bleached it, no one would ever have heard of her.

But it's useless to pretend that looking as un-African as possible for black actresses was always seen as an advantage, colourism in the black community has been discussed and written about, and Markle started out about 15 years ago, long before women like Lupita and Viola Davis came on the scene. She narrowed her nose surgically and brutalises her hair to straighten it - the total effect is that she looks Barely Black. The sistahs on Lipstick Alley have had quite a lot to say about her clear "white leaning" identification. Markle herself said, "Of course African hair is beautiful, but I just feel sexier with straight hair." She's on her second white husband, she's made sure any of her children will be 75% white, except for Serena Williams and that idiot Priyanka Chopra, all her besties are from the white society set in Toronto that got her her chance at Harry.

Are we really expected believe that her hair straightening is merely an aesthetic preference?

R128, Princess Anne had the potential to be a really elegant, eye-catching woman. Lord Snowdon's exquisite photos for her engagement to Mark Phillips prove this. (Unfortunately googling hasn't helped me find the series - there are ten or more of them, and most of them are really beautiful.) She was also better-looking in real life than in photos: this was often confirmed. when she was young. Thing is, Anne is a practical, sporty type who just couldn't be bothered with hair and clothes, and since Diana came along there hasn't ever been any need for her to be otherwise. There really isn't a need for the new Duchess to be stylish either, unless she wants to improve on her "royal also-ran" status or find DL approval. Nobody has ever even thought about what Edward's wife wears, because it doesn't matter.

Harry was always going to marry someone he thought was like his mother. You can see it in all his adult interviews. Well, Diana was extremely self-centred and it manifested itself in being both clingy and wilful (as well as getting bored and annoyed with everyone else as soon as she was left to her own devices). To be fair to Markle, Diana was a truly terrible dresser in the years immediately before and after her marriage. It was only when she found Catherine Walker, to whom she evidently listened, that she discovered her own fabulous style. After a while she got confident enough to vary that style, within bounds, across other designers.

I think a lot of Meghan's post-wedding clothes would be perfectly stylish, within the bounds of the job, if only they fit better. Those elongating sheaths really suit her, but they are always so tight it emphasises her flaws and additionally just looks cheap. She's probably understandably paranoid about inadvertently flouting Royal dress codes; a problem she didn't have as a starlet. There's no excuse for not having the clothes altered, though. That is not an expensive exercise.

R155 - Very much agree with most of this. LIke Markle, Diana had no waist, and it was only later that she was persuaded to shift the emphasis from her waist to those spectacular legs; Markle, unfortunately, doesn't have the spectacular legs. In my opinion, what she should be emphasising is her overall petiteness, and you cannot do that in endless metres of cloth and too tight bodices and wide belts. She really should look at Mar of Denmark's wardrobe choices. Yuge has the same problem: her emphasis should be on her small frame, delicacy, and lovely colouring. But she can't do that without losing a stone or so, and changing the clothes drastically.

Both women opt for too many ensembles that wear them rather than the other way around.

^MarY of Denmark.

Lenny Kravitz is also "white leaning" and no one talks about his life choices. That bint that he and Lisa raised proudly talked about how she was raised with no awareness of black people their culture and more specifically their music. She came off more white than blonde haired girl from Orange County. Halle Berry chose to only procreate with white men and now dates them exclusively. So I call bullshit on dragging Meghan for embracing her white heritage.

R155 - Princess Anne looked her best EVER at the time of her engagement/marriage to her first husband Mark Phillips.

Photo 1 below.

Princess Anne Photo No# 2.

Love this photo of Anne and Mark just sitting in a field with their dog. Compare its simplicity to Nutmeg and Dimwit engagement photos.

A youthful Anne. There are more photos in a slideshow. Personally, of all of the British royal brides, I like her Elizabethan inspired wedding dress the best. Of course, no one can beat Princess Grace's wedding dress.

Princess Anne at 21.

Anne and Mark made a nice couple.

R158, I agree. Biracial people have a tough time of it, straddling cultures. Not judging anyone on that account.

Another engagement photo.

One of my favorite portraits.

Another pose in the same outfits.

Another photo released at the time of the engagement.

Speaking of Princess Grace, she was one of the best dressed at Anne's wedding to Mark Phillips. I remember that people talked about the light color of her outfit (it looked white but I think it may have been off white or ivory).

I like this Princess Anne digression! I remember her wedding as a kid and she did look lovely. Then I sort of stopped thinking about her for long while as an adult. Then, back in the early 2000's, I was at a conference where she was speaking. Later that day, I got presented to her. ( god what a phrase...) She was absolutely fabulous! Down to earth, funny, clever and way better looking in the flesh. She also has a great, slim figure. I've been a fan ever since.

Anne looked lovely in those photos, it's good to be reminded of that. However, it took a lot of effort, hair rollers, false eyelashes, full on makeup. She wasn't the type to spend hours at it every day.

At any rate, back when she was late teens/early 20s, she would tell the press to naff off regularly. She was considered rude.

R172 "she would tell the press to naff off regularly"

More reasons to love Princess Anne.... That and also telling an armed kidnapper to Naff Off, too.

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R171, I like the digression, too. Here's Anne's interview regarding the kidnap attempt. She's very charming, and I think censored herself a bit.

[quote]Though they have never met, Harry and Mr Markle had enjoyed a series of ‘warm and chatty’ phone conversations after Meghan told him of her romance with the Royal. Among other things, they discussed what to do when news of the relationship became public – and Harry advised Mr Markle to avoid the paparazzi at all costs.

[quote]Mr Markle recalled: ‘Harry told me that I should never go to the press. That it would end in tears. He said, “They will eat you alive.” He was right.’

R174, what an absolutely boorish oaf he is! And Harry must visit DL!

R158 - no one is "dragging" Meghan for "embracing" her white heritage, but for using it cynically to her advantage in show business, but playing the race card when it works to her advantage. And either way, white people don't need Meghan Markle's "endorsement", but there are a good many black women in the world who would have gotten the benefit if she'd proudly worn her African textured hair. The truth is, she's not a great beauty and her dramatic gifts are even less - she got into show business for the attention, not artistic hunger or any particular calling. She's not "embracing" anything: as always, she's doing what gets her the most advantage all whilst bragging about her feminism, her activism, and her humanitarian creds. That "embrace" is as phony as everything else about her.

Anne had a slim, athletic, but curiously asexual figure; a beautiful matte complexion like all the women in the family, but a weak chin, Hanoverian nose, horsey teeth, and hair that she too ruined by straightening. She wore matronly, boring, sensible clothes, and the only time she looked as if her clothes really looked like they belonged to her was when she was on her horse and doing the dressage event in a top hat at the Olympics.

She could have made more of her looks, but clearly didn't care.

I suspect she was quite sexual, too. There is a perhaps apocryphal story about going about the dance floor with a man, and saying to him, "Are you afraid of me?" which the man of course indignantly denied. "Then stop holding me like a piece of china and let's dance properly," Anne replied.

I love the photos of Anne with her hair down and dressed casually. She looks fantastic in the photo at r17. Dressed in menswear but looking feminine and gorgeous.

R175 Thank you! I loved that interview. Princess Anne is a woman you would want on your side !

I’ll be sad if Meghan starts getting it right. It’s so fun to critique her outfits.

R180, indeed. But she’s not “important” enough for Meghan to kiss up to.

I don’t know why these climbers don’t realize that you should treat everyone as though they’re important. Because they are. And there are plenty of influential people who don’t swing their dicks around.

Actually R176 I think Pa Markle is an uncomplicated man who speaks plainly and flouts the conventions other people insist upon. He is hurt that his own daughter could cut him out completely and projects his pain courtesy of a voracious media appetite while he processes the reality his Meghan is an unapologetic cold ruthless bitch.

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Pa Markle threatened to spill some stories about MM (I posted it on the previous thread). He got his knickers in a knot a few days ago and said he was so angry he was going to reveal things about her.

This week, he wants to be left alone.

As others have commented, I don't think he's going anywhere soon.

Bragging about hanging up on Harry.

And he wonders why he can't get through by phone to Sparkle?

[quote]For two years I’ve been living in hell.

Perfect example of his capacity for exaggeration. Nobody knew who he was until earlier in the year when wedding prep was underway and people wondered if he would walk her down the aisle. And the living hell has been mainly of his own creation. If you act out for the paps, you are giving them precisely what they want. He is continuously reinforcing their presence in his life. It's everyone else's fault. Poor baby.

Pa is one of those people who make a big show of announcing their departure, and we all know how that goes. Samantha do next weekend’s interviews (if she’s not in the Big Brother house) and he’ll be back on the 25th, just like clockwork.

“I know I said that I was going to disappear, but I’ve had some time to think about it and, why should I? I’m not going anywhere. I refuse to be silenced!”

R184 What breach of protocol? He's not a Royal, he's an American citizen, he doesn't have to follow any protocol.

The Middletons respect "protocol" cause they're British it's natural to them, are close to William and want their daughter to be happy. Pa is murican and doesn't give a fuck about Monarchy, the Queen or Harry, he's a wild card.

Daddy is a oaf, he should have been controlled from the very beginning by the Palace. Making him part of the process since the beginning rather than leaving him alone and advised by his other crazy ass daughter.

By the way, none in the family have nice things to say about Meghan, specially her black family. That's curious.

The main problem is that Tom doesn't trust the Palace. The Palace can shout at him, promise him money or threaten him to not see his daughter ever again, at this point he doesn't care cause he thinks he'll never see her again anyway.

He gonna stay a wild card until in death, so we gonna have few years of entertainment.

According to the Express: Doria is moving to London.

It gonna be interesting. I can't wait people's reaction when she'll get a Royal residence and 24/7 security. She has no money, unlike the Middleton, so Harry (read Charles) gonna pay everything for her.

That's why she was so quiet (minus pap walks twice a week like her darling daughter, but people never complain about them), she's a new leech for the BRF. They must have promised her during the engagement to keep her quiet, they should have done the same with Dad.

Doria, if she does move to London, will need a new wardrobe befitting her station as the Duke of Sussex's mother-in-law.

I hope for Charles's bank account that contrary to her daughter, she agrees to do her weekly pap walk in Mark And Spencer rather than Dior.

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[quote] That's why she was so quiet (minus pap walks twice a week like her darling daughter, but people never complain about them), she's a new leech for the BRF. They must have promised her during the engagement to keep her quiet, they should have done the same with Dad.

So when Grandma, who does not have an iota of an extravagant life, moves in, she's a leech and not an extended family member?

You must think Marion Robinson was a useless cunt in the White House and did not deserve to live there with her daughter, grand children and son-in-law. Another example of a black woman over stepping herself, do you think, R190? When you are overly-cunty, you torpedo your own shifty objectives.

[quote]By the way, none in the family have nice things to say about Meghan, specially her black family. That's curious.

Here's another. Has anyone from Meghan's "black family" said anything at all about her? The diplomat uncle is Thoma's similarly white brother, the jealous, chatty, trashy half-sibs are not black (unless you think they are). Who were these black folks who stood their ground against the new Duchess? Linky, pls.

Duh, we don't say they speak shit about her, just that they could have nice words for her and her mum but they don't, certainly cause they don't know her anyway thanks to mum.

R194 Middleton have been accuse to suck on the BRF for money when they have their own money.

Doria has nothing and will live on the BRF's back in UK, don't act like you don't understand this simple fact.

By the way, she's not a grandmother yet and is still young.

You sound preternaturally stupid, R196

[quote]don't act like you don't understand this simple fact.

What fact? That the old black lady will be usurping the British Royal Family teat until it blackens and falls off? How much do you think a 60 something year old's upkeep per year costs? You make it sound like she's Fergie-material, but not an older woman who hasn't shown any effort for fan fare.

And who are the black family who are squealing about the Meg? We're waiting. We don't like the Duchess much, but you sound unbalanced. Like one of those "Mary is Bogan cunt" weirdos who appeared several years ago.

If you can trace some sort of a conspiracy when an elderly-leaning black mother moves in with the nuclear British family, please advise with a full plot and script treatment.

R189 said no one in either side had anything nice to say about Meghan. In other words, no one has a pleasant story or opinion of her they've offered. On either side. Not that the mother's side has said anything bad.

R199 Calm the fuck down Gloria, and go to your weekly pap walk. You sound like you need a bit of fresh air.

I don't care if she misses her darling daughter, I just wonder how she gonna live in one of the most expensive city in the world when she has barely no money.

People are shitting on the Middleton 24/7, but asking how Saint Gloria gonna support herself alone in UK is too much?

R201 - can you repeat that in English, please?

Crazy Royalist frau posters get our notifications on Twitter and come here to accuse, not knowing how DL's cuntiness works and keep on doing Frau shiftiness without a scintilla of awareness of what Datalounge actually is. Do ya, gals?

We should intersperse some of the average porn posts to keep them away. I suspect they do not like the appearance of any male cock, balls or related icky skin.

R203 If you think balls and dicks scare us, go on.

So you are an invading frau cunt assault force, then? With sketchy motives that seem to the envy type area? Just go away. You seem to fail to understand how to make yourselves sellable anywhere but cunt-fronts that shit on other women

So, we made a mistake and posted gay porn for you, which turned you on. OK. Tell us a bit more about what you would do for a great set of cock and balls your SO has not been able to provide, and we can come up with a lot of erotic material for your marriage.

R205 SUGAR MELTDOWN ALERT!!!!!!

How old are you to think people are scared of male genitalia? Or that people are excited just seeing male genitalia? You really think people posting here every day will go away because of some porn?

R205 just stop, you're embarrassing yourself, and I'm embarrassed for you.

The many fraus who go aft on apparent male genital adventures and overdone "Jan" memes. You are still cunty without addressing yourself. We cannot drive you off with much male genital play, so tell us a bit more about your cuntiness, please. It seems to be your qualifying "fem" characteristic.

R208 ????????????????

Sorry, you don't make any sense.

Royalists invade DL over and over again?

Nutmeg's mother was born in 1956, which makes her 61 years old. That's not old. She can live for another 20-30 years, especially with the generous upkeep she will get, including private health care (no NHS for her) ... made in the shade, Doria Ragland.

Good for her. She of all Nutmeg's relatives, is the only one who deserves it.

Presumably she has old friends where she lives now. Why move to a country where she only knows one person, where her life will be restricted by protocol, and where any new friends will be due to her royal connection. In LA, she still has a measure of privacy. I don't believe the paps are camped outside her house 24/7.

Unless MM is pregnant already.

I suppose Doria leaving to find herself and only coming back after the hard part of raising a daughter is over, is what it takes to live like a queen, then yeah she definitely deserves it. And if Nutmeg was preggies, I think the whole world would no doubt know about it already.

Post-Brexit UK is sending home EU citizens who live there since decades, but The Saint Mother and Retired US citizen Doria can get a visa without problem?

Being royal is very useful.

R214 if MeAgain was preggers then she’d have Dior and Givenchy hand delivering gold-stitched baby bootees in a see through bag just to make sure the message got across. There’d be a 6 page Vanity Fair article from “sources” about how MeAgain will be the most fashionable and fabulous member of royal family EVAH and her babies will be the most humanitarian / fashionable / popular / saintly / rich / humble etc.

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R219 Dad keeps giving.

Harry has turned the BRF into the Jerry Springer Show.

[quote] The Middletons respect "protocol" cause they're British it's natural to them

WRONG. They do it because they don't want to ruin things for their daughter. They are smart enough to know the press will twist anything they say.

[quote] By the way, none in the family have nice things to say about Meghan, specially her black family. That's curious

That's a fucking lie you made up. You have a really hard time understanding that the tabloids will twist everything they say about her. They understand it and more importantly, they don't want to ruin things for her. Unlike Meg's piece of shit dad, the Ragland's care more about Meg than they do about making money off of her. This is certainly not the last time we will here from POS dad. Captain Obvious Markle thinks he's smart. He'll have the dumb racist daughter of his and the criminal piece of shit son of his talk to the press instead. Knowing how damned fucking stupid pos dad is, it will be super obvious. Then when people say, "hey that's really the POS dad saying this through his mongrel children", he'll come out and do $ome interview$ to explain things

Meanwhile he'll be very busy getting fitted for new hoodies in between bleating "it would be better for everyone if I were dead" bullshit. So manipulative with that bullshit line

R221 - if the Ragland side "care more about Meg" than the Markle side, how come none of them were invited to the wedding, and the sole solitary single relative Meghan allowed at her quasi "diverse" wedding was her mother; no other person of colour related to her was allowed into the "Now I'm A Nearly White Royal Princess!" narrative.

The truth is, she hasn't had much to do with them, either. There are a few family pictures, but as Meg went her merry way her circle both her husbands her besties in Toronto: all white.

That's why they haven't said anything about her: they barely know her. She's no more interested in them than she is in bringing her father in - they, and he, just aren't "on brand" to the newly minted Dior-de la Renta-Givenchy-Prada draped royal.

[quote] Pa Markle has said he was never invited.

He says a lot of shit. And most of it is lies

He also says he was told he wasn't going to be allowed to give a speech at the wedding (this is after it was announced and proof was given to the whole entire world that he colluded with the paparazzi to create those OBVIOUS photos for money). He honestly thought he'd be able to give a speech after doing that?

If he wasn't invited to the wedding then why did he make up the whole thing about being crushed about Meg telling him he would not be able to give a speech at the wedding. Which of his lies is the truth? He just has bullshit dripping out of each side of his lying mouth and he has money from the tabloids falling out of his pockets

I know this guy is dumb as fuck, but does he really think going tit for tat with the tabloids is going to work? Does he really think he'll have the last word over the tabloids? He must have dementia to think that. He's only giving them more ammo to write stories about him. It's like he bought guns for the tabloid editors. And now he's buying them bullets and giving them out as gifts

the only thing black about mm is her mom.

mms extended white trash family's antics are amusing.

no class, no shame , typically American and very entertaining!

I wasn’t aware of this, but as far back as October 2017, tabloids were reporting that MM was house-hunting for Doria in London. Somehow I missed that.

If that was the plan all along, why was she starting her own yoga studio in CA? And what about her geriatric private practice clients? LATER, OLDIES! I’m moving to the palace!!!

I could be wrong, but I think Meghan needs her mother for validation and support right now because she’s in WAY over her head. As soon as she doesn’t need her mother, she’ll be too busy to bother with her.

[quote] That's why they haven't said anything about her: they barely know her.

The same must be true of The Middletons, Sophie Rhys Jones family, Princess Anne's in-laws (both sets), Autumn Phillips family, Eugenie's soon to be in-laws, Sarah Chatto's in laws, Peter Lindley's in laws and all the families of everyone else who has ever married into the royal family

Or it could be that they all are smart and love their family members more than they love tabloid paychecks

No one beats the tabloids. They'll twist everything anyone says and always have the last word. Maybe one day the piece of shit , money grubbing markle family will learn that. Probably not though. They've learned to like the attention (good and bad)

R226 Wrong, the huge difference is that Sam and Tom Jr are attacking Meghan in tabloids.

If she was close to her black family they could say few nice words about her being nice and fantastic, but nothing. They were not even invited, certainly cause they didn't see her since she was a teen.

Autumn or Kate have never been bashed by their own family in the Daily Fail, that's totally different.

I can see the racist heads are exploding at the thought that a black woman may live with the BRF. I do not know why Meghan lived with her father but I suspect it is because he had a better zip code. What mother does not want the best for kiid?

Thomas Markle is being ghosted because he is uncontrollable. I personally think the BRF is just waiting for him to run out of gas. BTW the mother of Meghan's step-siblings had very nice things to say about her.

R154 Meghan is godmother to the sisters who were flower girls who are the daughters of her close friend, Benita Litt (non-white). It is laughable that people keep trying to say that Meghan only has white friends.

And yes, saying that someone has nappy hair is a racial insult.

Do people call Mary Elizabeth Mastriano's hair "nappy?"

Good or bad properly raised black folk would not feed the rags.

I think you’d make MeAgain’s head explode if you call her a black woman r228. She’s biracial and desperately playing down the black bit.

Typo corrected: Mary Elizabeth Mastriantonio

[quote] I'm getting fitted for a new hoodie

Forget the tabloids, he's no match for a 2nd grader

I don't know how Meg feels about her dad, but If I were Harry, I'd NEVER, EVER have another thing to do with someone who told me such a ridiculously stupid lie. Harry needs to get out while he can. The markle family is pure trash who will bring the Windsors nothing but heartache, embarrassment and misery. They'll never shut up

R229 Still not black, but appropriately exotic, like Meghan.

Funny, Sugars have only two arguments:

1. you're jealous

2. you're racist.

Meghan is hard to stan.

Princess Anne is still attractive. It's just her hideous hair -- Yorkshire pudding is right (thanks for the apt description, previous poster).

Her dowdy clothes don't help either. She snared 2 good-looking husbands. I didn't realize that she is separated from husband #2.

Perhaps, Meghan's visa wouldn't allow for joining Harry to Lesotho and Amsterdam. They can't look like she's getting any special favors.

I don't think she's pregnant. They wouldn't risk her going to places were Zika is present (including the Oct trip to Tonga, etc).

If I were them, I would not let either Harry or Meghan go on that tour. He could carry Zika in his sperm.

It's August. The Queen is at Balmoral, everyone is out of town. There's no new Royal gossip so of course the DM is going to rehash and dissect Pa Markle every day to sell papers. He should never have given an interview to anyone; having worked in Hollywood, he should know that.

Today's version is him trying to set the story right. But it never ends there. Give up dude.

I was not referring to Meghan but her mom. As a black woman I have no problem with not how she closes to identify. As Chris Rock once said not one white would change places with him and he is rich.

R157 You are absolutely right about Mary of Denmark. She is a good role model. Also Queen Letizia. MM needs to gain back to the 10 lbs she lost before the wedding. Her face is too drawn, she's lost her perky butt and her breasts have disappeared. She's an ironing board now.

It is so obvious that she's going for designer duds instead of what looks good on her. If I were her, I would order multiples of this red dress in jewel tones for fall (sapphire, emerald, etc) and bright colors that would work for summer and spring (fuschia, magenta, lime, turquoise, aqua, lavender, purple). She needs to wear this red dress again if she stills has it.

Meghan is finally standing correctly in this photo like a model. It hides are skinny legs. She needs to always stand like this in her photo ops.

It would help her bad posture, hesitant walking, almost tripping, ugly wide legged-stance, if she would get shows that fit her and not such high heels.

MM looks like she's aged 15 years since the photo above. The orange bronzer, scrappy hair, and mother-of-bride clothes (c. 1950) aren't doing her any favors.

R218 It is so cruel to pull that "you'd be better off if I were dead" routine on your kid. He's done it at least 2 times publicly w/ Meghan. Probably scores of times privately.

However, since the suicide of the young guy who stole the commuter plane in Seattle, you have to take threats of suicide seriously.

When Harry said the royal family was all Meghan had, I knew right then her family must be a trashy circus. Preemptive strike.

R242 That's nice for Doria;

R223, take a deep breath!

Back to the Anne front.

I never knew that she'd started her affair with her current husband while she was still married to the first one. Stolen love letters outed their affair, oops.

Tatler did a profile a year ago. She's got a wicked sense of humor:

And her preference for country matters was contrasted unfavourably with the glitter and glamour that surrounded Diana, Princess of Wales. Anne was cast as a grumpy old thing, interested only in horseflesh - 'When I appear in public,' she has ironically observed, 'people expect me to neigh, grind my teeth, paw the ground and swish my tail, none of which is easy'.

In her young day, Anne was quite stylish when she wanted to be. This is one of my favorite outfits she's worn over the years.

Charles and Anne in matching colors.

Hair down and hot to trot!

She had a great head of hair.

More formal portrait.

She started her "matronly hair" look early in life and stuck to it.

Although she put on weight as an adolescent, Anne is the only one of the Queen's children that has kept a steady weight on her figure. I bet she could even fit into her first wedding gown.

"That's nice for Doria;"

R243 Harry knew Doria was going to move in and be taken into the fold, so she's included in the royal family in this regard, although not a royal.

This isn't a bad outfit (70's?).

Anne is very much like her father - she doesn't suffer fools gladly. She looks pretty good here.

Orange is the new black.

Anne is her favorite outfit: riding attire.

A 21st birthday portrait. She looks younger with her hair down.

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R239, agree with everything you’ve said. She won’t, though.

For example, Sofia Vergara is always wearing mermaid-shaped dresses. She has the body for them and they look fantastic on her. She figured out her best silhouette and always goes to it.

Not sure if Meghan is refusing to acknowledge her flaws or what.

Another striking outfit worn in 1969. Anne wasn't always unstylish. She's had her moments.

Princess Anne's hair in many of those pictures are dry and fried. Where is tha hair patrol?

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An outfit in the 1970's. She could pull it off.

This combo would be good to wear on safari.

As she ages, Anne doesn't seem to care much for fashion. There are even times when one has to say "WTF were you thinking, woman?".

I know she's Colonel-In-Chief but does she have to be so butchy about it?

R4 - she had an itchy vagina.

I always thought Anne was pretty. She's very beautiful in her teen picture.

R263, Anne reminds me of so many CT WASP ladies. They have a ton of money, but they wear the same faded pique polo shirts and pleat-front khaki bermudas for 30 years. And the gaudy matte lipstick.

It feels familiar and comforting.

R259 those are boat shoes. That’s how they look. She’s on a boat. Those shoes are still worn in exactly that style today.

I know r271. I have a pair.

^^^Then why say the shoes are circa 1984?

I love her retro look! I wish more people would save clothes from another era.

Pa says

[quote] that was because I was in credit card debt and I wanted to wipe the slate clean. They were trying to charge me 28 per cent on the credit card debt and I refuse to pay that kind of crazy interest.

Note the "they were trying to charge me"....as if that had nothing to do with his own actions.

But he is right about one thing...

McDonald's is a good place to pee.

Meh, dimwit and grifter deserve all the humiliation the Markles want to dish out. The whole scenario is farcical.

I think so too. I appreciate Pa Markle for pulling back the curtain- Samantha too. It's interesting. Imagine all the pap we'd have been fed by now otherwise!

Can you imagine the shitstorm that's going to erupt when Pa Markle kicks the bucket? If Meghan doesn't attend the funeral: bad press! But if she does attend, her miserable harpy of a half-sister will be there, trolling her relentlessly: even worse press!

So Anne had the 70s to be Young Princess About Town and then Diana showed up in 1980 and it was all over for Anne.

Also Anne at some point had an affair with Andrew Parker Bowles. I think it was before he married Camilla. But think of it, you've slept with your brother's second wife's first husband. That's... close.

They all run in an extremely exclusive small crowd, r279. Somebody is bound to be related to someone else.

I'M the Princess who slept with the most husbands- and don't you dare forget it!

And I'm working on it, r281.

Parker-Bowles was good looking!

Andrew Parker- Bowles is a big fave with HM The Queen too. When Charles and Camilla got married in Windsor Town Hall they had a 'blessing' afterwards at St George's Chapel. The wedding was on the same day as the Grand National horse race. At some point during the ceremony at the chapel, HM The Queen skipped out with Andrew Parker- Bowles to watch it.....

R223 I've never known any parent to speak during the wedding ceremony. Those speeches are for the reception. Besides, the American preacher was the big gasbag. He doubled his allotted time. Who needs another gasbag in the form of Pa Markle?

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Yes but *whose* people screwed up? They all have their own PR staff, Queen, Charles, Harry. Harry's must have known there were going to problems. Why didn't they act? Did everyone believe Harry when he said the RF was her family now and assume she was an orphan?

It says in the article:

[quote]At one stage, after Markle gave his interview to TV presenter Piers Morgan in June, it was suggested that a leading public relations figure might act as a go-between. I understand, however, that when senior aides learned that the PR man was a former journalist, the plan was dropped.

[quote]‘Prince Harry does not trust the media and he would never have supported that idea,’ says a source. ‘Frankly they should have been prepared to try anything by that stage.

If there are separate offices running PR for the Queen, Prince Charles and the young princes, it is no surprise that they screw things up sometimes, and especially if they operate based on ‘Prince Harry isn’t going to like it,’ I’m surprised they get anything done.

Well, hasn't the Queen been under pressure to pass on some PR control to Clarence House (Prince Charles) and William & Harry (Kensington Palace)? Ineptitude reigns.

Would Harry really have been dumb enough to berate Pa while he was in the hospital after a heart attack? (Given all the baloney that's been printed, I'm still not convinced there actually was a heart attack, but whatever.)

It really sounds as of Sparkle & Dim insisted on handling all this themselves.

And completely bungled it. Big time.

I know Harry is a pampered dope. But ... Northwestern should cancel Sparkle's "Communications" degree. Because whatever she was taught, it didn't take.

Harry really did marry his mother. This article is about the "feud" between the Wales(es?) and Princess Anne. Among the apparent issues the family had with Diana was her showboating

[quote] The Princess of Wales chose November’s opening of Parliament to reveal a new, severe upsweep, thereby upstaging the Queen and her speech—and stealing the show. At a private party later that evening, Princess Margaret told the Queen she had let Diana make a fool of her.

Very interesting. It appears that William and Kate have gotten an unfair rap for being the Do-littles. William did 190 appearances last year while Kate did 106, twice what his parents did at roughly the same stage of their marriage. And they had two toddlers and Kate was pregnant for part of the year and was likely quite sick in her early pregnancy due to hyperemesis gravidarum. The feud was also due to the Wales' laziness. I guess gadding about with Camilla was Charles' priority.

[quote] Yet the 23-year-old princess is a gadfly compared to Anne, the hardest working of all the Windsor children. She represented the Crown at 201 events last year, compared to 93 for Charles and 51 for Diana. One Palace insider was quoted as saying: “Anne works very hard and sees her sister-in-law picking up the glory. She’s sick to the back teeth with it all.”

Bea and Yuge, the misunderstood princess, did not even make the list.

I do believe he was in the hospital, it's not that farfetched; over 70, overweight, and stressed. Of course hospitals will not give records or admissions to anyone who asks. I had a stay and had to request a copy of my records through my doctor's office.

R292, The York sisters do not undertake official royal duties, and therefore receive no income from the Sovereign Grant. Prince Andrew asked that they could be included, but was turned down. And their police protection also ended back in 2011. It's clear that they would like to be on the official roster, though.

Whoever mentioned Bettina LItt upthread as "nonwhite"? Take a close look at the photo you posted: she's another light-skinned, straight-haired, married to a white guy "nonwhite".

Apart from her mother, in Meghan's personal party of invites (that is, members of the wedding party itself and her own family), no dark skin, no African textured hair - those two (very beautiful) little girls look like Native Americans or Latinas - they look anything but black.

Nonwhite, sure, technically - but they hardly looked like Meghan's cousins on the Ragland side, do they? Not one single person in the wedding party or on the bride's side of the aisle, except her mother looked African.

Darren Litt is the CEO of GoMobile. Bettina Litt probably served as a role model to Markle on what can be accomplished if you just stay light, straighten your hair, and keep marrying white.

Bettina LItt isn't "nonwhite" the way Venus Williams is.

R295 You are full of shit. So Benita Litt or her daughters aren't dark enough for you? Who said that they were black?

Benita grew up in Florida. I'm not sure of her ancestry. She might be Cuban. She was a lawyer and is quite accomplished. What does that have to do with her skin color?

Is Doria as non-white as Venus Williams? Sheesh!

DM Headline:

"Meghan is INHUMANE! Duchess's sister blasts Prince Harry's new bride for her 'cruel' treatment of her father – as he reveals fears he will NEVER see her again"

-- KP still has no strategy in place to deal with and stop this constant media onslaught from the Markles. Unbelievable.

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The DM comments about Doria moving over to London are overwhelmingly negative. From jumping in line over immigration laws to her sketchy past where she abandoned Meghan with her dad from 11-17 then on through college years....where was she? Many people were bringing up Doria's two bankruptcies and possible prison time.

One thing about Thomas Markle is we know exactly where he was while he was raising his daughter. He put her through private schools working long hours on "Married With Children," then he paid her way through Northwestern University. He pulled strings with his brother to get her a job at the U.S. Embassy in Argentina but Megs failed the Diplomatic Service exam so she headed back to Hollywood and worked as a struggling actress. Again Daddy took care of her, paying for her gas for her to drive to auditions by Meghan's own admissions. Where in ALL THIS TIME WAS DORIA?

I think there's some seriously shady stuff in her past that the BRF has managed to get the tabs to lay low on as long as Doria played well and stayed out of the public eye. No one still knows what she does.....social worker? Yoga Instructor? Elderly patient physical therapist?

Also, a number of DM readers pointed out that Meggie never needed Doria living near her side in Toronto. She had a full, rich society circle of pals there and didn't need family. Now she's alone in England with no friends, a public turning against her, and rudderless. Meg bringing Doria over to live there on the public dime will not win over her subjects.

Perhaps MM is keeping Doria close to her to draw a curtain of silence, protection and deflect from any questions about her mother's past, r300. Who knows. The mother is mute. The father is talking. And talking. And he no doubt knows a lot more which is probably why MM can't totally lash out at him.

Doria's silence is however, deafening. Any other mother would speak up for her daughter via PR reps and put the father to shame. Not a sound. And not a sound from KP.

Pa also did an interview with The Sun.

He spoke in an interview after a string of public statements he said had “locked the door, pulled the windows down and closed the shades” between him and Kensington Palace.

And he told The Sun: “I want to say good luck and God bless to my daughter. I don’t expect to see her or hear back from her — and that’s OK.

“All I was doing was saying things I wanted to say. I just want to re-establish the relationship with my daughter.

“I now want to go away on vacation somewhere and try to get some peace.”

“I just want a father-daughter relationship. If that means Christmas cards, birthday cards and getting together for the holidays — that is what I want.

“The other thing is — this will sound a little greedy —   but I took care of my mother for the last five years of her life.

“My daughter said she’d take care of me in my declining years. I’m not talking money, I’m talking about taking care of me. That’s important to me.”

If Pa gets mad enough and Doria moves to London, he will spill any secrets that Ma has.

After all, he must know a lot. He must have known where Doria was when Sparkle was living with him.

Wasn’t it said that Meghan lived with her father during the week, R300? We may not know where her mother was, but she sure wasn’t in prison if she was able to spend weekends with her daughter.

We don't know where Meghan and her mom spent their time while she was growing up. She hasn't spoken about the giant gaps of time when she lived exclusively with her dad from 11-18 then he paid her Northwestern U tuition though lottery winnings. Doria was never refererred to during any of this time my Meg herself, only her precious daddy who paid for all of her living expenses for almost two decades. Where was Doria during all this time? Even Megs has given Thomas props throughout all of these years prior on her website to getting with Harry. Now all of the sudden Doria is the mother of the year? When she was absent from her pre-teen years through at least 27 when she got her Deal or No Deal suitcase girl gig, which dad again helped her get.

He knows where the bodies are buried in Meghan's past and she discarded him like garbage once Harry put that ring on her finger. He can expose Doria and why she was never there for Meg growing up in her key and expensive teenage and college years.

If there was any dirt about Meghan's mom, the tabloids would have discovered it and if for some ungodly reason they couldn't, Meg's cunt of a half sister would have spilled it long ago in exchange for $$$ and revenge

Her dad is lying about being in the hospital. The paps caught him that same evening with a bucket of KFC. I don't care how shitty a hospital is, they do not discharge someone whose had a heart attack after a few hours. Thomas would do well to remember the paparazzi rented a house next to his or across the street from his. They know everything he did. They followed him. They - being the other sets of paps he wasn't colluding with for money

If there's one thing I hate, it's a bad liar. And thomas markle is the world's worst liar. I don't know if it's dementia, but damn, he can't even keep half his story straight. He can't even fucking remember if he was invited to the wedding or not. To be fair, he's told so many lies about being invited/never being invited, it's hard to keep track of the actual truth. Almost everything he's said has been a lie.

[quote] “The other thing is — this will sound a little greedy —   but I took care of my mother for the last five years of her life. “My daughter said she’d take care of me in my declining years. I’m not talking money, I’m talking about taking care of me. That’s important to me.”

This piece of fucking shit. What a manipulator. A pathetic manipulator. This is just one more story he's sold to the tabloids. Damn this silly, fat fuck of a bastard has all of them on speed dial. So he wants his daughter who is married to a Prince and by his own words (although knowing him they could be big fat fucking lies) wants a family very soon, to drop everything and what? move to Mexico and live with him? I bet this loser wants Harry to buy him a place in London. That sure ain't gonna happen

Here's fat tommy's blathering diarrhea of the mouth: I just want to be taken care of by my daughter, I wish I was dead. Everyone would be better off if I were dead, I was getting fitted for a new hoodie. I never sold stories or pictures to the paparazzi

I JUST WANT TO BE A BURDEN ON MY DAUGHTER AND SON IN LAW, IS THAT SO WRONG??!!

Meg's sister is on a roll tonight on Twitter. And useless waste of flesh Samantha takes pot shots at the Queen. And she's threatened to go to the UN because Meg and Harry are supposedly treating her dad so badly. She also posts that she is remodling her house (no doubt with all that money earned from the tabloids)

Samantha Markle ‏

@SammyMarkle64 Proud of my dad and love him dearly! Windsors should try being loving and expressive rather than stoic, cold hearted, and inhumane. Learn and evolve. My father’s response was quite appropriate given the parties involved and context.

The Queen’s church? You call yourself Christians? Christ would never treat our family as you have. Shame on you heartless things

Sorry but Christ would never treat my father like this so don’t call yourself Christians because you don’t demonstrate it.

Now daddy markle is involved with some meth junkie. It all fits, why he came out with some denial (for no absolute reason) about him not ever using drugs in the past 20 years. No one asked him if he used drugs. He just came out with that stuff. Now we know why. He was involved with a junkie. A junkie he gave money to. Did that money go to buy her drugs? That's a crime if he did

But good news for old Pa Markle. He has his best friend whose a drag queen willing to defend him

And his bestie is hoping to transition. He calls himself Rachel (you couldn't make this shit up) and he spends so much time with old Pa that they basically live together

With all these fabulous people around him, it's really bizarre that Harry doesn't want to meet Pa, the junkie meth addict girlfriend or the hopeful to transition drag queen boyfriend/girlfriend. Just think. It would be the first thrupple the Queen (the real one , not the drag one) has ever met

The ladyfriend borrowed $6,000 from Pa and split.

Every parents are expecting their children to take care of them when they're old, specially when they were so present during their teen years. It doesn't mean money but be present, visit them, phone them, see their grandchildren....

What Tom Sr wanted was not far-fetched, he wanted her daughter to treat him like she treated Doria. Now, he's revengeful and doesn't give a fuck.

Meghan has access to huge privileges and money, in exchange her work is to make the BRF looks good. It's her fucking job to keep her family in control even if it's unsavory to her.

If Doria come living with her, the Daily Fail will start asking where she was during Meg's teen years. I doubt she was in prison, but I think she was not able to take care of her daughter for whatever reason, lack of money or psychological distress.

R299 Please, if anything it shows they didn't see her since decades and clearly were never invited to take part of her "successful life".

Meg was a lovely child and we're proud someone we didn't see since she was 12 years old is now part of the BRF.

Speaks volume about Doria who clearly looks unhappy on the family pic.

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What's all this bullshit about Doria not taking care of Meghan?

Meghan started living w/ her dad during the week because his Hollywood apt was closer to Immaculate Heart, the school she attended after graduating from the Little Red Schoolhouse. She lived w/ Doria on weekends.

Doria owned two shops in a mini mall on La Brea. One was a vintage clothing store. The shops went bust after the global crash in 2008 and she declared bankruptcy. She then went back to school and got her Masters in order to be a social worker.

Trolls of DL,

Next time you're called out for posting an EST that's too ridiculous to be believable; takes too many twists and turns; introduces too many weird characters; is just too much; direct your critics to any of the Markle threads and tell them you're doing just fine.

r306

Her dad is lying about being in the hospital. The paps caught him that same evening with a bucket of KFC.

thats what i mean. the markles are straight up white trash goons, its hilarious!

Ew @ R302. Does he expect Meg and Harry to wipe his flaccid, flappy cheeked bottom in his dotage? I mean, he’s already obese and old ...

What the fuck does she expect Her Madge to do, R309??!! I’m incredulous! Seriously, she is DEMENTED.

R316 Where does the living with mum on weekends come from?

If anything, it proves Dad was a good father: paid for school and live with her.

But yeah, Doria is the Saint Mother and Tom the Shameful father who never took care of her and abused Meghan since she was a child.

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You know r321, none of us knows what kind of parents either one of them were. Just because he paid for everything and she lived with him part time does not an angel make of him. Neither does any sweet comments she's made about him. One of my exes was severely abused by his father, but to hear him talk about his father you'd never know it. And his father paid for everything for my ex too. If I didn't know what went on behind closed doors I'd think his father was a great man.

If she's favoring the mother, she probably has good reason for it, and his antics confirm that.

R322 So the 5 days with dad, 2 days with mom comes from your head, not the article.

The rumoured move to London for Doria is already creating negative press and social media response. Adding to the well publicised costs for security and support for the last wedding will be the next one upcoming. Anecdotally, most UK residents have had no strong feelings about the royal family but their MM association may now be attracting the wrong type of attention to the entitled pampered pets in their palaces. Vive la revolution.

R324

I've read it other places. I'm not your secretary. You Google it.

The actual addresses of the places MM lived.

R323 Please, no one ever said he abused her in any way before now.

No father is ideal, but he seems to have done better than the average father, better than mine for sure.

It was the same answer when we learned Meghan dumped Trevor without a word, he was suddenly abusive and she had no other choice than take the blender and send her ring back.

Meghan's "close friend" said it herself: "Meghan is all about taking care of herself and her well-being", if daddy or anyone else doesn't fit with her new life she dumps them without a word.

How many times did she act like that before? That's her modus operandi.

R327 Lol, that's actually creepy.

At this stage the RF really does need the best PR consultancy in the land. Afternoon tea at Balmoral must be a tad strained with all daily newspapers set out as usual, for perusal.

R325 They react badly cause the Brexit was all about foreigners taking British job and abusing the NHS.

If Doria was not Harry's mother in law she would never get a visa.

I suspect, r331 that it's more about ordinary people, struggling to find affordable housing whilst paying their bills, comparing themselves to those in the RF who snap fingers and get multi million pound upgrades for sumptuous apartments in publicly owned buildings. With the arrival of MM has come detailed, well researched analysis of the ownership and upkeep of the numerous properties they have access to. She hasn't helped, of course, by flaunting the ill-fitting designer labels.

R328 I'm not claiming he abused her. I'm saying none of us knows him, or any of them, and we certainly don't know what went on behind closed doors. To pretend you have any idea what she should be doing in her family relationships is disingenuous and ridiculous.

R328 I'm not claiming he abused her. I'm saying none of us knows him, or any of them, and we certainly don't know what went on behind closed doors. To pretend you have any idea what she should be doing in her family relationships is disingenuous and ridiculous.

R321 [quote]Meghan began splitting her time between her mom's house and her dad's Hollywood apartment (pictured) when she was 11 until she left for college in 1999.

[quote]According to a biography on the duchess, 'it made sense for her to live with her father during the week,'

R335 The same biography books Sugars are claiming full of lies????

R334 I just quote what Meghan herself said during years and years in her posts, speeches, instagram, blogs, etc.

If their relationship was bad since she was, let's say, a young adult, why all the sugary prose about him being the best dad ever. She was the one who praised him again and again.

We don’t know what the deal was, with her upbringing, who lived where, etc. I grew up with similar circumstances and would hate for it to be scrutinized and analyzed. Even now, a parent myself, I can’t make a definitive ruling about which was the better parent. My parents were fucked up but also wonderful in some ways. It’s complicated. I’ll talk shit about her wardrobe choices, but I can’t judge anything about her family life.

My only criticism of Meghan regarding her parents is something r300 mentioned. For all that time, she lived in other countries, away from her mother. She never dragged her mother to Canada or Argentina. Now she’s moving her to London, away from her whole life. I think it’s increidbly selfish to expect that. She got married, she didn’t become a quadriplegic.

Perhaps Doria is pushing for it.

R338 I think Doria volunteered to go in London.

Meghan is not forcing her.

R337 as has been already mentioned, not all abused kids speak poorly of their abusers, not that anyone is calling him an abuser. Point is, you do not have a clue what that family was like behind closed doors or what their relationships were like.

R340 Nah, no one is calling him an abuser just a piece of shit, an horrible father and other nice things.

As for not knowing what happened, sure no one knows but if he's a bad father it also means Meghan is a huge liar who invented some super dad to sell a fake image of magical unicorn family.

Why would Meghan drag her mother to Argentina if she went there for a short-term internship, R338? And why would she relocate her to Toronto when she was there for a temporary job? Now that she has moved permanently overseas and is about to start a family, it makes every sense for Meghan to want her mother nearby. Meghan’s treatment of her mother is not suspicious; if anything, it’s the only redeeming thing about her. The question is, why didn’t she grant the same treatment to her dad, back when he was still controllable? Maybe she knew that Doria was more likely to behave; or maybe she knew that Harry would not approve of her alienating her mom; or maybe she thought she had her dad wrapped around her little finger but miscalculated, who knows?

I'm not going for Meghan, Liz has asked me to conduct a series of yoga classes: Yoga for Corgies - Beginners Yoga for the walking dead (aka Phil) - a gentle and practical class focusing on coffin pose

Anne is the classic aristocrat. Supremely self confident, utterly indifferent to what anyone else thinks, happiest in the country.

This claim that she lived with her mother all along suddenly, conveniently "appeared.". Reminds me of how it suddenly "appeared" that dad was invited to wedding after questions started being asked. Meghan herself has been saying for many years that she lived with Dad and spent a lot of time sets, and how he cared for her. Certainly it's not outlandish to be "kind" to a parent ( wasn't Harry, at least, supposed to be "kind"?)

When there are more questions than answers and so many contradictions in the Duchess of Sucks public statements with the reality of her life, something is off, way off.

R342, she was in Argentina for a gig Thomas' brother helped her get (Daddy to her career rescue again). Then she failed the State Department Diplomatic Exam which ended her dreams of foreign civil service (at a good pay grade at least). She came back to LA after an "internship" there in her words today.

After coming back to LA, Pa Markle still supported his post-college grad daughter and her dreams. He helped arrange auditions and paid for her gas to drive to them....BY MEG'S OWN ADMISSION.

Nowhere in the narrative of Meg's live from 11-26 plus was Doria ever mentioned. Meg was all about everything daddy did for her to help her succeed. Now she's cut him off while absent mom Doria is the saint and getting a room at Kensington Palace. Yeah, Tom has effed up by venting so hard to the media. But he obviously thinks he has nothing to lose at this point after Meg ghosted him before her wedding.

This pretty much says it all.

R348 Hahaha, all the actors are fake like that but it's fucking funny.

R296 - The point about Litt that the poster who mentioned her was, See, not all Meghan Markle's friends are white., look Bettina Litt is nonwhite! She grew up in Florida, yeah, she's probably a mixed Latina, and my opinion is far from showing that Markle doesn't lean as white as she appears to, Litt supports my view. nAnother light-skinned girl with straight hair who married a white guy - just like Markle herself.

The bottom line is, there wasn't a single really African looking person in Meghan's wedding party except for her mother - none of those cousins we saw her with in early teen photos, and her only really black "friend" there was Venus Williams. The other black celebs are not people she knows but were invited to "fill in" the picture with enough colour to lessen the overwhelmingly white look of the whole thing.

Technically, Bettina LItt sure isn't a Wonder Bread white girl. But she's hardly really black, either, and she was as far as Meghan went outside her mother. All the other little page boys and flower girls were lily white.

Look, you're entitled to your opinion, but to many of us, it is very clear that Megahn feels that being part of the white world is far more advantageous than being part of the black world, and she's arranged her life like that. That's why she "leans white" and that's why Bettina Litt is on brand: of colour but not too much and married white just like Meghan.

And if Venus Williams weren't a superstar athlete, I wonder if she would be Meghan's friend, either. There isn't, besides Williams and her mother, one single solitary really black person in Meghan's circle. End of. She doesn't - want - them - there.

You forget Oprah R350 , LOL.

I just want to state the obvious here. Harry must be so miserable. From the father cancelling before the wedding to the horror show black preacher who ruined the ceremony for any non-American to this never ending Markle tabloid horror show with no end in sight, And I can't figure out how to end the Markle interviews myself: it is like Royals are now checkmated by a few trashy Americans.

HArry has to know by now that he has made a terrible mistake.

There is no doubt that his image has really gone downhill. Now he is the trash Royal by association with her. And the fights with the father don't make anyone look good. And his judgement is utterly appalling. Once Prince Andrew was well liked by the public. I think Harry's popularity is going straight downhill.

R352 you're right. All the goodwill he did in charities and trips for Gran is what helped him get permission to marry this aging, divorced American actress. There's no way the BRF would have ever gone along with this unless he reminded them of getting AIDS tested in Barbados alongside Rihanna for the sake of the crown and publicity. He was doing so well in his job as Commonwealth Ambassador, as it seemed to revolve a lot among kids and youth and just like Diana he loves being in their presence, giving hugs, support, etc.

I think he used that goodwill bank to get the BRF to look the other way at MeAgain's questionable past. There's no way she would have made it through a vetting to be William's bride, so many skeletons. But for the now sixth in line, I think they just let it slide and now her janky past is coming back to haunt toe royals.

The palace can absolutely quash unfavorable stories. They call up the editor, promise future exclusives, and the story goes away. Same as in the US.

All of this could've been avoided if she'd invited her relatives to the wedding. They weren't upset (not enough to go to the press) about being invited to her first wedding but this was obviously a much bigger deal. Even though they were already bad mouthing her, an invitation, no matter how grudgingly offered, would have shut them up temporarily and afterwards they would've looked ungrateful. Very shortsighted.

But then this is a person who preferred to invite casual celebrity acquaintances and who wears ill fitting, overly expensive designer labels.

Be interesting to be a fly on the wall up there in Balmoral now.

^^^Not even acquaintances, many she’d never even met before.

Sparkle seems quite stupid. She doesn’t seem to get.... anything. Socially clueless, clueless about fashion, etc

I’d almost prefer to think she’s evil instead of just dirt stupid. But, here we are...

I wonder how much of this is due to Harry.

The Queen, very protective of the BRF image but let's face it, she's 93 and hasn't the energy to deal. Charles? Depends on whether you believe the reports that both boys get along wonderfully with their father. Could be they just tolerate him to keep up appearances. There was that wiki leaks story from when they were younger that had Charles using them (their residual Diana popularity) to drive his own agenda. They established their own PR staff after that. I forget the details now but it implied that they were not at all close to him. So Harry could be fending off Charles' people and doing it his way and getting it wrong. It does look like inexperience and miscalculation.

I expect a course recalculation in September or whenever the holidays are over.

R347 - it seems to me that she disposed of Daddy Dearest once she no longer needed him (and had secured her future with Harry).

Apparently this flagrant attention whore is now saying that she feels overwhelmed by all the public attention she is now garnering (seriously?) as a royal wife, and may not even travel to Australia later in the year to accompany her husband to his pet cause, the Invictus Games.

I have always felt that there was something that MM found objectionable or questionable about Papa Markle's lifestyle and this is why she was no longer close to him. It could come down to the company that he keeps, but who would hang around with meth users? If he is keeping poor company because he is lonely, then MM should intervene and try to keep him safe and healthy. If Papa Markle is keeping poor company because he is struggling with addiction, then MM should try to help him get sober.

I think that Papa Markle wants to be emotionally cared for and loved in his last years. I don't think that younger people can understand how scary aging can be and how hard it is to cope with being alone when you are elderly.

I read somewhere that Doria has evictions on her record and had lots of financial turmoil. Honestly, divorce is really hard on women financially. Many women never financially recover after a divorce and having to raise children on their own.

R359 LOL, never gonna happen.

She loves being in the middle of the Drama!

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MM makes exceptions for billionaires, r351.

If anything she should be grateful that Daddy's issues are distracting from her lack of "hitting the ground running" on her supposed causes. I'm sure Daddy drama will also be the excuse when people finally start noticing.

R299 - sure - and with all that she couldn't invite one of them to the wedding?! Two?! Her mother isn't part of "their world", either, and in fact Meghan herself isn't part of Harry's world. Didn't stop her from marrying him for advantage, did it?

Please - the idea that there is no reason for Meghan Markle not to have wanted the African side of her family in those pews at St. George's Chapel other than they just didn't feel part of that world is absurd. The reason is blindingly obvious. Meghan is far more into her white than black identity. Harry was the next step. Those people will never even her children in person.

R364 - the only things Meghan is hitting the ground running on are building her luxe wardrobe and . . .

working at getting pregnant as fast as possible.

A glowing post from Meghan's own blog about her dad, written on Father's Day 2016 (see link)

Meghan also gushed about her dad on Thanksgiving 2016.

Over the years, over and over, on her blogs, in interviews and in speeches, Meghan talked about her love for her dad and how he made her who she is (an incredibly spoiled, grifting, narcissist, but whatever)

And her dad did take care of his own mother for the last years of her life. This was confirmed by Meghan herself.

Dad has the beginnings of dementia probably, and the sister is possibly suffering from the effects of MS, so most probably neither is in their right head, but given that Meghan and Harry have made mental health one of their top priorities they could probably earn a lot of points by trying to help her own family first.

It is getting worse and worse, and short of her finding a cure for cancer, she will never be accepted at this point. Best thing to do to save face for everyone involved is have HER request an annulment, "don't want my family issues getting in the way of my role" Something like that. Get a few million in parting gifts and let her move on to the next target. She will never get over this bad press. Harry has a chance to regain some respect with time. Maybe some hard up Saudi can have her. Please god don't let her be knocked up. She reminds me a lot of Jolie, and we all know what a nutcase SHE is.

R342, Meghan was in another country for how many years? And also married when she was there. Was Doria at THAT wedding? Didn’t want to be around for those grandbabies?

Hahaha a DM commenter brings up the similarities between MM and Heather Mills. Oof.

Haven’t heard a word about her in ages.

I found the Heather Millis comment, r370:

Heather Mills and Meghan are two peas in a pod. Heather said in an interview that she did not know who Paul or the Beatles were, and likewise MM said she did not know who Harry was. That is so coincidental, and truly unbelieveable. These two women are big Bee-S-ers. Great scam artists! I would think that Harry would have learned from the mistakes of his elders, like Paul, whose marriaeg was such a public scandal.

Heather said in an interview that she did not know who Paul or the Beatles were,

You'd have to be in a cryogenic haze to NOT know this. What a load of bullshit-- same as MM not knowing. Are these men this fucking stupid? I guess so!

I was curious so I looked her up in Wiki. Heather got about US$50 million in the divorce. This is the most recent entry:

On 17 December 2013, it was announced that Mills would miss the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, Russia. She was asked to leave due to a fallout and complaints about her behaviour towards officials.

Haha, r373. I don’t think MM is nearly as bad as H Mills, but who knows?

Early days, r374.

LOL

The hit the ground running thing was always stupid and put on needless pressure. She had a whole lifetime to do charitable work after the wedding. It would have made a lot more sense to let her quietly fit in and learn the ropes without the pressure to become Mother Teresa in two weeks.

Listening to the Larry King interview, I kept thinking where does this twat get her iron clad self esteem? Where does it come from? On what basis does she think she is such hot shit? She only has a BA for Christs sake, and she is talking like she is some expert on third world development.

And the dishwasher detergent story. I can't believe a woman in her mid thirties is still dining out in that. A normal person would scarcely remember. She keeps talking about how she was SO HURT that women were supposed to wash dishes, according to some TV ad: mildly irritated, ok, but SO HURT? Is she insane?

I feel like her mixed race status cuts both ways. Yes, she gets some racist abuse online, but in the other had, this very average woman would probably not have got so far in life if people weren't tripping over themselves to be politically correct.

That "hit the ground running" wording always struck me as tired, worn corporate gibberish MeAgain would have conjured up to sell herself to Harry, r377. It's just the perfect set of words to reassure Ginger Dimwit (and the unsuspecting BRF) that MM is the answer to all their dreams - no training, ready-made, good to go, "humanitarian", used to the media, seasoned, "real pro", "high" profile and will bolster Ginger Dimwitt's own profile etc etc.

R368 - You are confusing the vast majority of the British public, which doesn't have two shits to give about Meghan Markle, with the DM's readers and posters on sites like this and CB.

Never be "accepted" by whom? The crowds outside the schools and hospitals? The BRF itself? The rest of the snooty landed aristicracy? They really don't care, either. She may end up a bit less liked than all the hoop-la around the marriage suggested, but she doesn't need to be well-liked, all she needs is to be Harry Windsor's lawfully consecrated wife - the only thing she's interested in is status, security, safety, and A-List position, and she can have all those things without being "accepted".

I frankly doubt she gives a fuck one way or the other herself. If she did, she'd have been wearing British fashion most of the time. Once she got that little gold ring on her finger, she no longer needed to pretend.

It's Harry who is going to be desperately conflicted and unhappy, and he'll keep his mouth shut for the kids' sake and just trundle on, having sidepieces when it suits him.

Meghan Markle not gonna ask for no annulment and is probably reading a home pregnancy in the bathroom in Kensington Cottage as we speak, or else is already pregnant. She's not going anywhere and neither Harry nor the BRF are going to ask her to.

^aristocracy

Didn’t she send back rings in the mail right before leaving for Toronto to work on Suits, R369? Then no, she was not married in another country and no grandchildren in sight.

R370 Everyone tried to convince Paul not to marry Heather. Everyone. Friends, family, the media, just about everyone told him not to marry her. He did anyway. Men are like that. There wasn't much that the BRF could do to stop the MM train.

R365 MM didn't want any family at that wedding who could embarrass her and be a reminder of where she comes from. She wanted her marriage to be about a Hollywood starlet that married a Prince not a working class girl from South Central LA who marries a Prince.

Neither MM's white family nor her black family fit her new life's narrative.

Where do you get the idea that MM is a "working class girl from South Central LA?"

Her general inability to carry if off, R383?

R377 MM is a Leo, baby! Think Madonna in 1990 or throughout the entire 90s lip syncing. Think Jennifer Lopez, the mediocre triple threat. Think Obama trying to confidently pull-off matronly mom jeans.

MM also has her moon in Libra. There is no end to her sense of importance and feeling of entitlement. She is important, baby!

R382 I read that she lived for a while in Compton and Inglewood. Would you say that she is rich girl or an upper middle class girl? Nothing wrong with being working class. Nothing at all.

Actually I think she was brought up well enough. It was when she struck out on her own and her bottomless ambition took over. She could never have married this well anywhere else, except she got her hooks into that dim wit man child, Harry.

If divorce is inevitable, I'm sure the divorce papers will be filed right after QE II dies.

I see them hanging in there while she's alive, not wanting her to have endure another family divorce. Unless, of course, she doesn't give a damn.

I think in part her self-confidence stems from her natural ambition, as it has been pointed out, but most of it is definitely the result of her upbringing. Daddy’s little princess, you can have anything you want, anybody criticizing you is just jealous, so screw them, and all that.

If memory serves there were no negative comments or stories from Sparkle's family until the incredibly rude, thoughtless, and insulting comments about how the RF "was the family she never had".

Of course, her family members were pissed off. Totally understandable.

If Sparkle was Daddy's little princess to the detriment of his other children, they are entirely entitled to be angry about that. Not only did she receive preferential treatment from her father as a kid and young adult, including an extremely expensive education from start through college, but now she insults her family members because she thinks she is too good for them.

I don't find their behavior all that hard to understand and I can even sympathize with them.

If it were me, I would not be going public with my complaints because I have too much self respect. But their anger is completely understandable.

To have someone who was such a taker from her father then not even ask him to her wedding (and no, I don't think she ever invited him, unless it was done half heartedly under duress) - well that is truly shitty behavior.

This whole storm of anger from her family was created by Sparkle herself with her own behavior.

Tough shit, toots. You made your bed. So you must lie in it.

I can’t wait for the divorce.

Wasn't Yoko the originator of the whole "why I had absolutely no idea who he was!" game? You'd think Paul would have known better!

He is truly insane if he knocks her up!

No waist, swollen feet, belts, weird fitting clothes. BABIES

R369 Yes, Doria was at Meghan's wedding to Trevor in Ocho Rios.

Paul McCartney got just what he deserved in marrying Heather Mills. He's a stoner, tightwad who abused Linda (at her own admission in the audiotaped interviews when she was working on a book). Paul was always after a big breasted blonde. Well, he got it in Heather.

Heather is a nutter who fleeced Paul but at least she used some of his money to help good causes - animal rescue, etc.

Another woman who claims not to have known anything about her husband's show biz friends or anything --- Alec Baldwin's yoga wife. Enough with the kids and the yoga poses! Sadly none of his kids w/ Hilaria or w/ Bassinger has exceptional looks. Most of his kids look like Alec's mom.

Has anyone seen a photo of the dad of the Baldwin brothers? He obviously was a hot-head but he must have been attractive -- black hair, blue eyes. Stephen wasn't in the oven long enough. He didn't get the dark, good looks of his brothers.

It’s not quite true, R389. Samantha started attacking Meghan long before that.

[quote]The royal family would be appalled by what she’s done to her own family,” Grant told Radar. “The truth would kill her relationship with Prince Harry, he wouldn’t want to date her anymore because it puts her in a bad public light.”

[quote]“I certainly don’t think Harry or his family would want to associate with her afterwards,” slammed Grant, a successful writer in the arts industry.

^^ Ok. Daniel's hair isn't black and he's tubby and unstable. But, he was really good on Homicide: Life on the Streets.

Samantha was uncontrollable from day one, her relationship with Meghan is just too unhealthy.

She's disabled, had a shitty life and Meghan has everything, she will only stop in her grave.

But her relationship with her father is totally different. She could do nothing about Samantha, but she's responsible when it comes to her father.

Meghan markle reminds me so much of Angelina Jolie

r400 = Meghan Markle

It’s not a good thing @R401 I expect the crash and burn to be on nuclear level

R397, Samantha called her out in the same article as being a faux humanitarian, which has proven to be 100 percent true.

"Now wheelchair-bound and living in Florida, Grant, 51, accused Markle of not being the humanitarian she makes herself out to be."

Meghan only started being a Fauxmantiarian to lure in Harry buy thinking they were like minded. Since they got engaged and married she hasn't done crap as a "humanitarian" and is the furthest thing from the "feminist" she declared herself to be. Just getting married to a Prince and living the posh lifestyle doing everything by BRF rules is the opposite of feminist. As soon as she got married she threw all of that out the window. This woman is such a grifting fraud. She's now a royal and just wants to wear high end designers all the time and does zero humanitarian or charity work.

She's no feminist, at least she'll never sacrifice something for feminism.

In her "Deal or no deal job" the producers checked every week if the girls didn't put some weight.

I don't know ONE real feminist who would accept that, not one.

R404 You would if you knew an actress or flight attendant who needed to pay her bills.

R405 People don't weight flight attendants every week, it's a myth. Look at flight attendants they don't look like models.

Same for any serious actress, nobody ask if Meryl strip if she put on one or two kilos the past month.

Modeling is something else but no one serious ever said modeling was feminist.

The thing that has to be said is that MM's father is basically living in poverty. So am I, and I can understand where he is coming from. I could never afford to buy new clothes or fly to Europe on my own. He clearly isn't starving, but he has absolutely zero spare money. I was shocked and disbelieving when he said he was going on vacation. When you juxtapose that with MM's life now, it is absolutely grotesque and cruel that the Royals didn't throw him a few bucks so he could live at least in middle class dignity. No, Harry didn't owe him anything, but come the fuck on. A hundred grand would have changed his life. And I do believe he spoiled that brat all the way through university.

It reminds me of when they threw Fergie out with incredibly little money, and then claim to be embarrassed by her weight watchers commercials. What did they expect? What options did she have?

I'm just trying to imagine Meghan at Balmoral. 5 outfit changes a day and with the exception of when they go shooting/fishing they are all dresses or skirts. And no one is getting to see her except for the Queen, Charles and Camilla, etc. Not the crowd she wants to wow with fashion. Hopefully she's getting some decent and respectable royal fashion choices during this time as her ability to dress herself for appearances is awful.

I'm surprised she hasn't bailed yet. An LA girl who is anything but and outdoorsy type must be going insane dressing up for breakfast at Balmoral then changing into clothes to go on hunts and fishing with Charles. Not what she signed up for.

Diana quickly bailed on the lifestyle there as soon as she had kids, which was right away. William and Kate have limited their time there by having three young kids and going on Middleton vacays to Mustique with her parents which eat into their time away from Balmoral in August. Megs must be at wits end stranded there with her dad bashing her in the media for abandoning him. While Harry has been away in Botswana rescuing rhinos and leaving Meg behind in the UK. Maybe this was the plan...to finally school her into not looking for cameras at all times and not wearing inappropriate outfits to every single she's event she's attended since marrying Harry.

R407 Pa Markle is draing Social Secuirty and a union pension from having been a lighting director in Hollywood for decades. He declared bankruptcy twice. The last time to get rid of credit card debt (this was obviously before the banks go tthe bankruptcy laws changed).

He just loaned his "lady friend" $6,000 and she split.

He has his house in Mexico and an apartment in LA. He's not living in poverty.

typo: drawing Social Security and a union pension

What does look for your light mean?

"Look for your light' means to stand in the spot where the lighting has been rigged to illuminate you to make you look your best.

And when you find it, you do this:

reply 408 - Do we know who if anyone from the RF is at Balmoral nowadays besides QE II? Have there been any announcements? Beyond the appearances for Gan Gan's sake?

279 - If you think that is close, Diana wouldn't have cared. She married her sister's ex man!

One of the Yorkies, Bea is there and Andrew. Also the daughter of Edward and Sophie. Seen going to church with the Queen but all in separate cars. It might be a rotating cast, or they all might not get up for church on Sunday.

When William becomes King, we will see the end of countless traditions like going to Balmoral, etc, because these kids just don't give a fuck. If you asked either William or Harry to tell you 10 things about George V, for example, they wouldn't be able to do it. When Harry was 3rd in line to the throne, I am sure he couldn't have produced two sentences about the British constitution.

[quote]The thing that has to be said is that MM's father is basically living in poverty.

How does a man in "poverty" give $6000 to a meth tranny and its child who lived with him for months, if not extending longer and likely covering its living expenses? I have $6K in cash in a bank acct and it's slated for a roof as may be necessary, not a tranny leech. He, apparently, is also on the top of the Social Security pile, earning about $30K/yr on top of his lighting pension. And it's cheap, cheap, cheap to live in Mexico. He lives in a gated community. If you would believe him, all of the beer he is seen purchasing is for the guards at the gate who get thirsty during their long work days. Yes, he thinks it's better to say that the alcohol he buys is for the security that's supposed to protect him, rather than getting them drunk and letting the pap riff-raff through.

No party did anything right in this matter, but how could anyone know how to deal with a loose screw in Mexico who had a heart condition and a really undesirable, methed out tranny housemate and his/her little son who were over all the time. This is not standard practice for any average working, middle or upper class American. Who the fuck knows what to do under such weird circumstances. Being kind might feed the beast and doing nothing might feed it as well.

R417 - There is "British constitution" - Britain does not (yet) have a written constitution; it has laws, and a vague language around "constitutionality" but it has no Constitution in the sense America does. If and when Britain does get a written constitution, there will be immense pressure to do away with the hereditary peerage system, and if that pressure succeeds, the monarchy, which is simply the very top of the hereditary peerage pyramid, will be left on a very, very shaky branch indeed.

Those of you predicting an imminent divorce or annullment really need to calm down - it's not happening, not this year, not next year, not the year after. Instead, you'll be critiqueing Meghan's outfit as she and Harry have their first child baptised next year.

MM didn't go to all the trouble she did to reel this big dumb fish in to let go so soon. She's hard, ambitious, ruthless, with a very thick skin. To impel these two toward divorce so soon after marrying, a really major scandal would have to arise and if it hasn't done so by now, it isn't there. The only other impetus would be a complete change of heart by Harry, and it's a tossup whether he'd be willing to admit it and go the distance - especially if there is a child involved. As a child of divorce himself, he would be immensely reluctant to take that step.

No, this will be a most another one of those unhappy couples where each does what s/he wants on the side and keep up the public image. MM will never get another gig like this again, and she knows it. She'll tolerate infidelity, moodiness, whatever she has to to hold onto that HRH, the homes, the clothes, the cars, the luxe vacays, the status, the magazine covers, etc.

So get used to it - MM is here to stay. The BRF should have known better. They can comfort themselves with the knowledge that William at least married the right girl and MM and Harry will recede into the Yorks of the next generation.

^There is NO British constitution

R419 and r420

You stupid cunts. I teach poli sci. There isn't a WRITTEN constitution in the form of one single document, but there most certainly is a constitution in the sense of a series of documents and a larger tradition.

I think Harry wants kids, plain and simple. Wills has 3 and Harry has some catching up to do. At this stage, practically speaking, who else is going to step up and be the mother of his kids? Even if Harry has some regrets over his hasty marriage, he's all in for the kids now.

Longer-term, the issue is can they tolerate each other as mature, responsible adults? These two are similar personalities - high strung, temperamental, impulsive, ego-driven, superficial and self-righteous - so how each will positively influence and moderate the other's behaviour is unknown.

Harry is only 33 - not a 'normal' 33 having been spoiled so you could shave off 3 years at least and make him 30 years old mentally. MeAgain is 37 - on her way to middle age and with probably a very different outlook on life. If the ages were reversed, if Harry was 37 and MeAgain was 33, I'd give it a better chance of working.

R421 - stupid cunt yourself, I did make it clear in my post that there are laws and traditions - presumably, those laws are WRITTEN DOWN in DOCUMENTS - real live honest to God documents. Britain isn't living in the "oral tradition" mode.

Only a moron would suppose otherwise, that shouldn't have needed clarification.

R419

R422- Agree with most everything except that MM is impulsive - she's anything but impulsive. Her whole life has been one of singleminded pursuit of a goal: A-list status. She has a calculator for a heart.

MM may be calculating strategically but tactically, I find her impulsive, r424. No thinking hat on when it counts.

R422 - I grant there may be a difference between superficial calculation and an ability to analyse long-term. In my view, MM's startling refusal to support British fashion in the immediate months after her marriage support your view in some way. It's as if she focussed only on reeling him in, and then figured she could do as she likes. That's short-term clever and long-term - well, I won't say stupid, but someone whose narcissism and essential willfulness can only be kept in check on a short-term basis.

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Sounds like a threat, r427.

It is almost like MM is going out of her way not to wear British fashion. And I bet Kate doesn't say anything about these kinds of issues and just chuckles to herself as MM fucks up.

I am truly curious how all the Markle family stuff is playing in England. Do people sympathize with MM or has her image been incredibly tarnished by what the family says? Of course her family are behaving like pigs, but at the same time, I find myself marvelling at how very deeply she is hated. It makes me wonder if there is good reason for some of the hatred.

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R430 Meghan is too up her own arse to try and make things better.

R432 - My guess is that MM is used to having a great more control over her public image, and with the BRF now a factor in that image, she has less control. She can't control her father, and she can't control entirely what means are taken to deal with him. She wanted a global profile and she's got one - but the particular nature of this profile means she's also no longer a private citizen, and others have some control over her situation. I suspect that this is something new for her, and probably unnerving.

She was a fool to cut her father off as soon as she began dating Harry, just as she was a fool to persuade Harry to bully the British press before they were even engaged.

MM also sent a letter to the British press regulatory board before Harry released his public letter, just a few months into dating him across an ocean and while he was still dating other women. She accused the press of racism and harassment, when basically to the British press she was just yet another bit of Harry fluff to be toyed with like the press had toyed with all of Harry's randos and like they'd done to Kate, her family and friends.

That is, Meghan made herself Harry's official girlfriend by announcing it to the press before the dumb, randy cluck knew what hit him. That stopped Harry from seeing other women, at least in public.

She also lied about paps breaking into her property. What's the best way to get Harry? Mimic Diana being hunted by the press. That lie was recently confirmed by long-time royal reporter, Richard Kay.

This latest salvo from the MM camp "I'm not going to talk to my Daddy until he shows some respect" is just the latest in her high-school Mean Girl attitude, because that's what she is - the Mean Girl, Prom Queen, Daddy's Little Princess insufferable cunt who never grew up.

It was reported that the Queen's dresser asked her to wear a hat for their joint appearance and she didn't. So yes, she is impetuous - anyone who willfully goes against the directives of not just the family who's funding her, but the fucking British Royal family - is too self-important to listen to reason. No wonder Prince Charles allegedly calls her "Tungsten."

Meanwhile, is Harry still hiding out in Africa? It hasn't even been three months since the wedding and he's vanished.

It's instructive to contrast the DM, which has articles about by Richard Kay about all the anxiety behind the scenes at the Palace over this, and HELLO Magazine, which has Meghan in that ghastly outfit with the dive bird on her head from the last wedding she and Harry went to, and the title, "Meghan's Perfect Plan: Why the future is so sparkling for the Duchess!"

It's as if the more the weight goes negative on one side, the more the other tries to deflect attention and spin the positive, and the odd thing is, the DM and HELLO probably share a good many readers - who can inhabit parallel universes simultaneously where Meghan is concerned.

You will never ever read anything negative about anyone in Hello. It's just not their target.

R436 - yes, HELLO aims to soothe, DM aims to stir the shit.

[quote] If memory serves there were no negative comments or stories from Sparkle's family until the incredibly rude, thoughtless, and insulting comments about how the RF "was the family she never had".

Your memory is super, super, super bad. The day after it was announced she was dating Harry, that cunt half sister of hers was out spreading vile stuff about her. The useless half brother was saying nice stuff, to anyone who would pay him. tv, print media, radio, anyone. When the tabloids realized he didn't have much to say about her because he hadn't seen her in years and they never really had a close relationship, he started with the nasty stories about her. He sent a letter saying if she didn't pay him or rather didn't help him with his dream of starting an animal shelter he would continue to tell nasty stories to the press. It bears repeating, the Markles are pure shit

Lather, rinse , repeat. The press doesn't' give two shits about the criminal brother whose has a serious drinking problem

Princess Madeleine of Sweden and her family are moving to Florida

(why can't Harry and Meghan do that?)

Poor Madeline! She didn't nothing to deserve the hell of living in the batshit crazy state of Florida. I can't imagine trading somewhere as lovely and fairly sane as Sweden for Florida. Love to know what the hubby's business venture is that would cause the family to relocate.

In the DM story about Doria moving to London to be near Meghan, a lot of commenters wished Megs would just move back to LA to be closer to Doria. MM is HATED by DM readers, at least the ones who comment.

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Can someone explain me how is it more respectful to write via Doria?

Is Doria MM's new secretary or Assistant?

Why does everyone assume Nutmeg can even get pregnant?

Some people wish she can't get preggo.

Could MM tolerate that "lead separate lives" thing that the British upper classes* do? Diana couldn't. She was outraged and disgusted that the Queen wouldn't intervene.

*and plenty of others, but the Brits have codified it. MM won't know the "rules".

Sophie of wessex had her kids at 38&42.I doubt that Meghan is infertile or past it.

R440 - Missed the second summer of hundreds of nightly car burning in Sweden, did you? Unsurprising: liberal media outlets refuse to cover this because it emanates mostly from the immigrant community - you'll only see it covered in the Express or Reuters - never The Guardian or The TIMES or the Independent.

As for leaving Sweden - Madeleine is youngest of the three, she likes America, her husband has dual American-English citizenship, and those raw, damp, grey Swedish winters are not for the faint of heart - maybe she loves hot weather and the beach. In addition, the media intrusion into her and her children's lives is likely to be far lower in Florida, and there is these days a fair amount of criticism directed at the royals, although individually Victoria and her husband are well liked.

The Sweden you're thinking of, like so many places in Europe, is disappearing. Gothenburg is almost completely segregated, Malmo routinely experiences gang warfare and grenades thrown into police stations, and women are afraid to to alone into the Stockholm Central Train Station. Theh Sweden Democerats, a thinly disguised neo-Nazi party, are running strongly in the polls as the Swedes head into national elections in early September. They won't win, but they'll do better than they ever have before, as the Swedes are tired of their government's helplessness in the face of levels of crime and violence Sweden didn't know, say, 40 years ago. So maybe Madeleine is looking at the handwriting on the wall and getting her family quietly at a good moment.

Welcome to "modern Europe".

R438 - Yes, I think you're right - the half-siblings got in on the act right away. That the family is deeply disturbed is beyond argument. But the issues with the father I think are still not quite the same - there was a relationship there that there wasn't with the siblings. It was the father MM handled badly. And I have no clue what the BRF thought or what it is people think the BRF can do.

The people who keep saying that MM can't get pregnant at her age are exhibiting a lot of unfounded optimism. 37 isn't menopausal - perhaps more difficult, yet, but far from impossible - especially if she's been pregnant before (which of course she may have, and if she had an abortion, we'd never know). If she's perfectly healthy, there's no reason she shouldn't get pregnant, even if it takes a little longer.

But waiting around isn't advisable.

Queen Letizia,Princess Mary of Denmark and Queen Maxima are the best dressed royals IMO.They're 10 years older than Kate yet look more youthful and stylish than her.

R449 - I also agree that MM should look at Mary's choices, as they have similar body types, but it must said that occasionally Mary wears some howlers. Maxima is much taller than all three women, wears a size 11 shoe, and is not particularly attractive (she has a weak chin and bad skin), and sometimes her wardrobe choices are awful. And I dislike sallow brunettes who turn themselves blonde. But she looks vivacious and charming, and I believe has been a great success with the Dutch.

Letizia dresses wonderfully, she has lots of flair and great small figure. MM dresses the way a woman who has Letizia's figure would dress, only MM doesn't have that figure.

MM better step on it. NO, it isn't medically impossible for her to have a baby, but she is definitely in the danger zone in terms of radically decreased fertility. They have absolutely no time to waste.

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Something tell me Meghan is regretting all the waxing poetry she wrote those past years.

Agreed R267. I think royal ladies look more elegant in colonel uniform with long black skirts. Seeing her in trousers and riding astride just makes her look hard. Almost like an SS woman.

Today is Princess Anne's 68th birthday!

R453 MM tried to clean up her family image with those fairytales. I read a Tig blog entry about her parents being very successful and teaching her to give back. We all now know that the story is a bit different. Her parents were hard working, but had ups and downs which doesn't make them bad people at all. It happens to many of us.

The problem with social climbing in this age is that public records are accessible. MM isn't really that different from many actresses from the past. They all tried to recreate their past if there was something in it that they felt others would judge them for.

It all comes down to what Harry knew about her before he married her. Every man I know who married a woman who hid questionable things from them, had a rotten marriage. If a man knows and accepts it, then the marriage is usually fine.

MM isn't beyond child bearing age. It just gets harder as one ages. 40 year old women have a 25% chance of getting pregnant using their own eggs. MM will have access to the best medicine so hopefully everything will work out for Harry and MM.

R456 - after what you just wrote, don't know why you would be "still sugaring" about this fake woman.

R440 - Welcome to "fairly sane" Sweden. This is from politico.eu yesterday, updated today:

"Swedish PM to arsonists: ‘What the hell are you up to?’

BytPAUL DALLISON AND STEPHEN BROWNt8/14/18, 1:35 PM CET Updated 8/15/18, 7:11 AM CET Cars were set alight across Sweden overnight in what police believe was a coordinated attack orchestrated on social media.

About 80 cars were set on fire in western Sweden, in and around Gothenburg, and there were further incidents in Stockholm and Malmö.

“I am really surprised. My question for these people is ‘what the hell are you up to?’” Prime Minister Stefan Löfven said.

“You’re ruining things for yourselves, for your parents, for the whole community, for the neighbors and most of Swedish society is dead against this,” he told Swedish national radio’s news show Ekot.

“It seems very coordinated, almost like a military operation. Eighty cars — what is that all about?” asked Löfven."

What it is all about, of course, is the further erosion of the cultures of small countries like Sweden.

The car burnings occurred all through summer last year, too. Gothenburg and Malmo are both areas with huge concentrations of mostly Muslim immigrants. According to the Pew Research Centre's report on Muslim immigration released last November, if immigration policies remain the same, Sweden will be 30% Muslim by 2050.

So maybe Pss. Madeleine, watching what is happening to her country, and knowing that as third in line she has no real obligation to remain there, is getting her family out for a good reason - it's not likely to be "fairly sane Sweden" much longer.

Check out "Mad About Meghan" a highly amusing and unabashed fawning 'Sugar' site, r457 for its 'star subject'. It started off as a compilation of MM fashion 'highlights' and now seems to be devolving into a desperate campaign of counter punches against media stories painting MM in a not so positive light relative to her father, in particular.

Excerpt:

"How does Meghan feel? It's a question not readily asked by most outlets reporting the story. There appears to be a ferocious appetite to paint her as the cold-hearted daughter who has callously dropped her well-meaning father from her life without a thought. I believe the actual reality of the past three months couldn't be more different. I believe it has been a searingly painful introduction to a new life which has catapulted Meghan firmly into the public eye. As if embracing a new country, a new career, and the complexities of becoming a member of the Firm weren't enough, Meghan has been made to endure weekly blistering take-downs at the hands of people she's supposed to be able to trust...."

Samantha Markle tweeting latest news on Pa Marke:

Meghan Markle‘s estranged father will soon launch a menswear collection, according to a private tweet sent by his daughter (and Meghan’s half-sister) Samantha on Wednesday morning. “So excited about my father’s new #clothing line for men!” Samantha wrote. “Will keep you posted!”

Has MM shipped the yards of material from her stylish Givenchy dress to get Pa started in this new venture??

R460 That's the most hilarious thing I've read since ages.

R460 - Jesus H.

Buckle your seat belts.

Is that real, r460?!

Well, as real as you're gonna get from a Samatha Markle tweet, r463.

If she's still tweeting I suppose this means Samantha won't be gifting us with her presence on Celebrity Big Brother tonight. Sad!

Until the very end, I'll be holding out hope that it was an autopost.

"Fashion line" probably means CafePress hoodies, in which case I'm sure DL would be willing to help him along with slogans to be printed on them.

NOT A WEIRDO SCHLUBBY DAD

FLICKING THE BEAN

WHET GUY & BOGART?

Other Clothing Logos, r466:

I HUNG UP ON A ROYAL DIMWIT!

"GIVE TRUMP A CHANCE" says Prince Harry

DUMPED BY DUCHESS DAUGHTER!

FIND YOUR LIGHT and other useless sayings

QUEEN ELIZABETH IS FAKE FAMILY

DORIA THE PALACE FREELOADER

I WASTED MY LOTTERY $$$ ON HRH DUCHESS OF SUSSUCKS!

CALL ME, MAYBE?

R467 cracked me up.

OMG !!!! R468

I've spit my coffee.

More Clothing Logos:

TELL BEAN I DIED - ALONE

PHONE GRAMPS AT 213 444 1200 - COLLECT

I HAD A HEART ATTACK AND HAVE THIS SCAR TO PROVE IT!

PRINCESS DIANA HAD MORE CLASS

"I don’t care if Harry never speaks to me again, I’ll survive.’ -- Thomas Markle's dying words

I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M GONNA SPILL BITCHES!

HRM'S ROYAL MAIL LOST MY WEDDING INVITE! And other dumb excuses

I LOVE YOU BEAN. YOUR DEAD DAD

THOMAS MARKLE - AVAILABLE FOR FREE GRANDAD HUGS!

I’M NOT BITTER (it’s for the security guards)

I WON'T BE SILENCED

R467 - Brilliant! Now we're all challenged to come up with more. Here's a few:

CINDERELLA'S DAD SPEAKS STEP AWAY FROM THE BLACK MERCEDES, BEAN! BUN IN THE OVEN YET, BEAN?

ROP - Don't worry, it ain't gonna happen. There isn't room on DL for Yuge's wedding, the H&M Dog and Pony Show Down Under, and a Thomas Markle Snr Clothing Line.

Oh my god R 466 onwards.... I am dying... I love you. x

my daughter married a prince and all I got was this lousy t-shirt

I'D RATHER BE TRAILER TRASH AND ROYAL TRASH

I'D RATHER BE TRAILER TRASH **THAN** ROYAL TRASH

SOME PRINCES ARE STILL **FROGS**

I KISSED A PRINCE AND I TURNED INTO A FROG!

THE CORGIS GET TREATED BETTER THAN I DO

BEAN, NEVER ACCEPT A RIDE IN A MERCEDES

WHAT WOULD DORIA DO?

IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO TURN OUT THIS CHEAP

MY DAUGHTER FLOWER HAS TURNED INTO A WEED.

SARAH FERGUSON IS MY SPIRIT ANIMAL

THE BRF ATE MY BABY

R474

WHAT'S AFRICA GOT THAT MEXICO DOESN'T? (HINT: A MARKLE)

DUCHESS SUSSEX: HOW NOT TO BE ROYAL

AIN'T NO MORE SPARKLE FOR THIS MARKLE

DANGLING TRENDRILS IN YOUR EYE, I'M SO BLUE I'M GOING TO CRY.

DORIA IS NOT AN EX-CON, BANKRUPT, OR GRIFTER. (honest)

DADDY'S LITTLE FEMINIST ... WTF?

Meghan will hit back with:

MY BODYGUARD'S TOO BOOTYLICIOUS FOR YA

WHAT'S MEXICO GOT THAT AFRICA DOESN'T? (HINT: A MARKLE)

HOLD ON ALFIE, YOUR GRANPA'S COMIN'!

NUTMEG AND DIMWIT RULE. THEY'RE GONNA SHAKE UP THE ROYAL GENE POOL.

GINGER'S HEAD IS FULL OF ROCKS BUT HIS MISSUS IS GONNA ROLE.

You guys are hilarious.

DL at its best.

Should all be on a separate thread.

OPEN THE GATES OF NOTT-COTT!

ROYAL RUMBLE: THE THRONE'S ABOUT TO CRUMBLE.

DON'T CALL US. WE'LL CALL YOU. - THE ROYAL FAMILY

EVERYTHING"S TURNED SOUR. TOSS THEM IN THE TOWER.

I WON'T BE IGNORED!

I'M YOUR FATHER, FLOWER. I AIN'T NO GHOST BUT I"M GONNA HAUNT YOU UNTIL MY DYING DAY.

PAPA WILL PREACH.

Don't forget Samantha's cover of Patsy Kline's "Crazy."

YOU'LL NEVER WEAR A CROWN AND I WON'T BACK DOWN!

"TOM, STICKS and HARRY" beneath a cartoon of three pairs of legs —

1. Fat and covered in varicose veins

2. Bird legs in clown shoes

3. Average, yet covered in orange fur

R457 I was called a sugar on here because I posted a few positive comments about MM. I am obviously not a sugar! I just don't hate MM the way many on here do. She has her issues, we all do.

Discussing The BRF used to be fun. You didn't have to pick sides or worry about people getting offended because you liked or defended a certain member of The BRF. I think that the Harry and MM union will produce much commentary for years to come. It can be fun if people stop attacking posters that they don't agree with.

I like MM, but I call it like I see it.

The Markles can be like the Middletons and start a company selling their own party and costume tat - with irony.

DAD KNOWS YOUR SECRETS, BEAN

Ooops, sorry, wrong thread!

R509

Oh, wait, no it wasn't the wrong thread

R509 R510

THIS $19.99 HOODIE FITS BETTER THAN BEAN’S... WELL... [italic]EVERYTHING[/italic]

At least you didn't post an Aretha Franklin song on the Creepy Town thread, r511.

R513 - LOL!

Come and listen to my story about a bean named Meg...

REMEMBER: KARMA'S A BITCH, BITCH

GHOSTING OLD FRIENDS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

GUY? COME BACK! WE MISS YOU!

BOGART

If Pa's planning on his own apparel line, maybe HE's the one who has secretly been "advising" Sparkle on her wardrobe choices.

Thomas Markle is said to be ­growing “increasingly bitter” that his past generosity to his children has not been paid back.

One source told the Daily Mirror: “While he was working, Tom supported all his children. He was generous.

“But he made no secret that he expected in his dotage the money he spent on them would be repaid.

“He says they have not given him a f***ing dime back. He is growing increasingly bitter about it, and it has not been helped by how his ex-wife, Meghan’s mum, has been so welcomed into the royal fold. The fact she could be moving to England has not helped the situation while he is in a pokey home in Mexico.”

Sparkle should just ask the Queen to give him one of her castles. There. Problem solved.

R460 Pa Markle got beat to the punch by Topman. I guess he could still release his Markle Fat Floral Suit (as opposite to Topman's Skinny Suit) version that would start in Super Rotund Sizes.

A preview of the Pa Markle clothing line...

R467

I MADE YOU THE DUCHESS YOU ARE TODAY

R465

I predict that Samantha Markle will roll in later as a surprise, unannounced participant.

Daddy retired only 7 years ago?

I can understand why he is so bitter. He gave a lot to his ungrateful children and he's somehow old fashion. He thinks parents take care of their children when they're young and children take care of their parents when they're getting old.

Doria didn't give much when Meg was a child, he was the one who paid for everything but Doria is the one who gonna have the Fairy Tale retirement in England.

I can imagine how Meghan started to froze him as soon as he asked her for some of her time or financial help after he retired.

I can also see how he was too proud to accept help during the engagement, something like "you didn't help me when I asked you and suddenly I have to cooperate cause you want to look good? Well, fuck off. I don't need your 'help' or your money anymore."

Yeah, he's lonely, bitter and he won't shut up.

R526 could you please repeat that, but in English this time?

Whoa, he worked until he was 67? Lighting work is pretty backbreaking stuff so I can imagine why he's pissed that his kids haven't helped him out the way he helped them when they needed it. Sounds like he worked until his body finally gave out, and at least he retired at a higher rate of Social Security as a result.

Meghan in particular was the beneficiary of his financial generosity. Years of private Catholic school education cost him a lot, and Doria was totally out of Meghan's life at that point. He helped pay for her four years at Northwestern from a lotto win plus supporting her even after her schooling by paying her gas money to get to and from the auditions she got thanks to his help. He funded her life until she got on Suits and it doesn't sound like she did anything to help pay him back as she watched him labor in grueling work as he aged.

She was to busy social climbing in Toronto and instead paid Pa Markle back through flowery Instagram posts about him and sharing her love for him on her lifestyle website. I don't think for a second she ever thought about financially paying him back as she was his little princess and he did everything for her to make her succeed, which his "little buckaroo" finally did.

R527 It's an international board.

So, unless you're totally fluent in 15 different languages, you can fuck off.

Capisce?

R526

Doria was totally out of Meghan's life? Why are you making up this bullshit?! It's ridiculous. Meghan and Doria have always been close.

A majority of parents pay for their kids' college and immediate aftermath until the get a steady job, including car insurance, gas, health insurance, etc. If they have daughters, they pay for her wedding. Many parents help their kids put a down-payment on a house after they marry.

Pa Markle declared bankruptcy in 2016 saying he only had assets of $160.00. His credit card debt was wiped out. He has declared bankruptcy twice.

Doria declared bankruptcy when her 2 businesses failed after Wall St. crashed the global economy in 2008.

Pa Markle divided his lottery win among his THREE children. Meghan used her share for college. What did Samantha and Tom Jr. spend their share on?

Pa Markle most likely made 50,000 pounds (half of the 100,000 pounds that the photographer made for the staged photos). He has been paid for the 3 interviews he gave to English TV. He is drawing Social Security on earnings made over decades in Hollywood. He is drawing a union pension as a lighting director.

So he is not penniless.

Thomas Markle is not exceptional.

R530 I said Doria didn't pay for Meghan, not that she wasn't there.

And most parents I know pay for their children education but also expect those children will take care of them when they're older, if not financially at least emotionally.

With the Markle's children, it's "thank dad it was nice, now you can fuck off we don't owe you anything".

At least, it's how it seems to be.

I hope so, R525. Tomorrow's unannounced guest is supposedly a man but as Stormy Daniels is only staying for a week there'll be room at the inn.

R530 You don't know what Doria paid toward Meghan's upbringing because she has the good grace not to spout off about it to the media.

Oh I’m well aware that this is an international board, R529 - I’m an international (i.e non-American) participant myself. I rather suspect that the author of R526 is not. Typing with high emotion is no excuse for not reviewing one’s own work before submitting.

Capisco, vero?

R533 are you dense? Meghan has admitted in her blog that daddy paid for EVERYTHING, from her entire education to putting gas in her tank as a adult when she couldn't afford it to get from audition to audition. Nice try Sugar. Doria paid nothing and was absent from Meg's years from the age of 11 to at least 24. Tom's brother was the one who got her the job in Buenos Aires but she failed the diplomatic exam and then later chalked it up to just an "internship." Had she actually passed the test she'd be working in the foreign service and likely would never have met Harry.

She went from Deal or No Deal suitcase girl ro getting the job on Suits at 30, where she dumped her husband to live a high new society life in Toronto, dating hockey players and top chefs. Her connections there led a pal to setting up a date with dimwit Harry, who was drawn in by her "poor is me, I have no family" tale and wanted to be her protector.

I DIDN'T GO TO THE WEDDING, ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT

R535 Wow. You've got a lot of cognitive dissonance happening. Doria was not absent from Meghan's life, you fool. Meghan lived w/ her dad during the week because his Hollywood apt was closer to Immaculate Heart. She stayed the weekends with Doria in the garage apt.

Meghan's dad is a total narcissist. Meghan praised him to the hilt in her social media, but it will NEVER be enough for him. Making an Instagram or FB post saying your dad paid for gas, is the not the same as saying Doria paid for nothing.

R535 The Profound Presence of Doria Ragland

"What we know of the relationship between mother and daughter has an “us against the world” feel to it. After her parents divorced, when she was six, MARKLE SPENT WEEKDAYS WITH HER MOTHER*. Ragland doted on her only child, calling her “Flower.” When Markle became wealthy, she paid for her mother to attend graduate school"

*When MM graduated from Little Red Schoolhouse and started attending Immaculate Heart in Loz Feliz, it was reversed. MM spent weekdays w/ her dad living in his Hollywood apt and weekends with her mom in the house that her maternal grandfather left to Doria in his will. Doria still lives in that house in Windsor Hills.

R537 Meghan is an hypocrite.

She praised him in social media cause it made her looks good. Don't you get it?

She sold her Sugars some fanfiction about the perfect biracial family and you swallow it.

And it's not just Meghan who does it, every Instagram/Lifestyle blog fameho wannabe do the same.

R538 Saint Doria of Ragland pray for us.

R539 Meghan might be a hypocrite but you are a lunatic with an axe to grind dissecting every post or interview MM ever made.

R541 And you're willfully blind, no one forced her to praise her dad for years.

She's a basic LA famewhore who was lucky enough to bag some stupid ginger dude with money and fame.

Pretending to be some extraordinary role model/feminist/daughter/humanitarian is hurting her now. She made her bed years ago.

so colored on weekends

There is no point in arguing whether adult children should take care about their elderly parents - it’s a controversial topic and people have varying opinions which have been informed by their cultural background and personal experience.

The matter at hand is that for Meghan, it would save so much trouble to do something for her dad, for whom she cares very deeply, by her own admission. If she had brought him to London, had someone explain him the rules, put him in better living conditions, none of this scandal would have happened. Now it looks like she was too ashamed of him to let Harry and the rest of the BRF meet him before the wedding, and after the story with staged photoshoot she just jumped at the chance to keep him away forever.

Thomas Markle doesn't want his daughter to care for him.He wants money&fame.He's the typical embarrassing,crass,foolish hillbilly American.The BRF doesn't want anything to do with him.British public loathe him.Not allowing him to attend the wedding was the sensible thing to do because they knew that he or his relatives would have caused a scene.Regardless of Doria's parental role in Meg's life,she's the one who has behaved with dignity and they know that they can trust her.

This thread has become all projection. Bring back the humor!

H & M's firt appearance at a radio station in Briston, r546. Dangling tendrils, dull grey coat, and yards of grey scarf making her look like she's going on a polar trek and not a royal visit.

Sparkles' hair looks neater after a workout at the gym

**first** and Brixton, not Briston.

This Balmoral Exile is endless.

If they "loathe" and "want nothing to do with him," too bad they married into his family, eh?

R452, I think Jamaica was her second wedding, the first was when she was at Northwestern.

The marriage was later annulled, not sure of the grounds. Perhaps the groom wished to re-marry in the Catholic church?

MM has had 3 weddings.

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Meant r550, not r551.

But what hits me is that this is never going to end. The tabs will keep interviewing the family, the evil sister will keep posting on Twitter, the father will keep talking and there is no way out. Can any of you even imagine a real end game anymore? I am stumped, and I the the palace is too. Her family may be scum, but they hate her with an impressive ferocity.

We don't even know if they're up at Balmoral, do we? For all we know, they're in L.A. with her Mum, or back in Botswana. Too bad, was looking forward to seeing Meghan Markle from L.A. in tartan.

Well, children, it looks like we won't be getting any new outfits until the summer is over. In fact, I decided to check when we might next see the Sussexes again.

Their schedule is listed on the royal website. www royal uk future engagements. You plug in the name of the royal and the date range , I plugged in the Duchess of Sussex for 10 September to 31 October and the site came up with "No Future Engagements Are In the System" - including Yuge's wedding on 12 October. I changed the search to the Duke of Sussex with the same date range, and the same thing appears: No Future Engagements are in the System".

However, the Wessexes, Gloucesters, and Pss. Anne are liberally represented from September through the first two weeks of October, but not a single event is listed for any of the senior royals right through the date of Yuge's wedding. The lesser royals are clearly carrying the load for the Firm whilst the rest, HM, Charles and Camilla, the Cambridges and the Sussexes, take a very, very lonngggg vacay.

Good research, r556. This means DM will be stalking the Markles and vice versa even more leaving a gaping PR hole from Sussex standpoint. The newlyweds can't seem to get out in front of this Markle news onslaught. Must piss Dimwit off in the run up to his big Invictus appearance in Sydney and the introduction of "glam actress" wife.

How accurate is that website though r556. Is it official?

R558 - Yes, it is the official website of the BRF.

Of course, they could have other reasons for not posting engagements for the upper tier royals too far in advance. The engagements are usually scheduled far in advance, but I suppose they could be in flux, particularly for the Sussexes, who haven't had time to sort out patronages, etc., given that they just got married a few months ago and the Firm still isn't sure what to do with MM. It is likely that she will be tagging along with Harry for awhile, as Kate did with William for the first 8-9 months.

Or not. Who knows. At any rate, there are zero engagements listed from now through the date of Yuge's wedding for HM, the Cornwalls, Cambridges, and Sussexes, even though we all know a tour Down Under is scheduled for October for the Commonwealth Games and that Yuge's wedding, which everyone will be attending, is 12 October.

I wonder if they're saving the space in case Philip is raptured before the wedding.

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Chances are that MM will spend some time at Balmoral this summer. Until we know for sure and hopefully get the pics of at least the Sunday church service visit to confirm, here is a taste of what she may experience there, in the misty murk, with her rain dampened tendrils.

I used to just dislike this git because she reminded me of every using narcissist I've sadly been forced to deal with, but now I want her to fail spectacularly. A conveniently unnamed source has "told" the Daily Mail that Thomas Markle wants the money that he spent on raising his kids back, causing the predicted outrage amongst dim Mail readers.

This just after it was reported that the royal family's PR was going to get aggressive with Thomas Markle. So what better way to ruin Markle than make him seem a selfish dad who expected a return on the investment he put into the kids?

Nevermind that according to Meghan's endless Daddy lovefest there was no hint that Thomas Markle wanted anything from his kids but love and their help in his old age.

The British royal family is throwing this poor, lonely, apparently mentally and physically ill man under the world's bus, with Meghan's - the daughter he gave everything to- consent.

It's the new Instagram/Lifestyle blog moto: "cut off from toxic people".

You can read it everywhere, but those people should ask themselves first if they're not toxic/abusive too.

Finally real abusive people are quite rare in a lifetime but MeAgain think she's surrounded by toxicity.

Cindy Crawford? George Clooney? How the heck do these people know Eugenia well enough to be invited to her wedding?

The fiancé comes from one of the richest British family. I'm not surprised.

Do you mean they are being paid an appearance fee to come r567?

No, just they're in the same circles, go to the same places, have the same hobbies.

Rich white people getting together.

They all know each other, and Jack's family is certainly richer than the BRF.

Jack Brooksbank, Eugenie's fiance, has been the U.K. Brand Ambassador for Casamigos Tequila since 2016, the same liquor brand founded by George Clooney, Rande Gerber and Mike Meldman. Not sure what "brand ambassador" is exactly but enough to infer they've been in business together for a couple of years. Makes much more sense for the Clooneys to attend this wedding than that silly production in May.

Thank you r570, I agree.

The British royal family is immensely wealthy. The Sainted Queen has been sneaking money off shore as well, as revealed in the recent expose, the Paradise Papers. So I doubt Jack's family has more money than Eug's.

R569 Do you not understand that the British aristocracy is white because well, what is now Great Britain was composed of white people since...until relatively recently, and the British aristocracy is not composed of newbies, but stretches back centuries?

I'm mixed-race, but I get completely fed up with this interjection of the word "white" into every friggin' comment as if it's a pejorative.

In Africa, rich and powerful Black people, many of whom inherited their wealth, share the same social circles. In India, it's rich and powerful Indians forming cliques, plus in India there is the caste system, which makes the snobbery of the British aristocracy seem almost quaint.

R569 Richer than the BRF? There would be hundreds of articles bitching about Eugenie if that's the case, the press love to crap on the Yorks for their constant holidays & "laziness", if Eugenie was marrying into major money the press wouldn't shutup about it. Granted the Brooksbanks probably have more money than the Yorks, but they're no where near as rich as Grandmama or Uncle Charlie.

R570 a brand ambassador is literally just someone who promotes the brand... he's also been described as a wine merchant recently, so i imagine his entire job is being an intermediary between the buyer and seller and gets a percentage of profits from whatever expensive booze gets sold. the other celebrities at the wedding could be clients of his.

Hahahahaa, oh my sides!

"This TV actress thought that the many celebrities she invited to her wedding were her new group of friends.

Not really.

[All those celebrity friends] aren’t really available for day to day chats and she is starting to think that some of them may have been using her a little bit. She thought her new sister in law would warm up to her after the wedding, but that didn’t happen either. She is “on the cool side.”

She is very busy and has a lot of people around her, but [her husband] is really her only friend right now. She is feeling lonely. That’s why her mom may be moving closer to her."

Did Mr. Markle expect Meghan to support him with her Suits money? Does he now expect Harry and the Queen to support him?

oh that's a load of bollocks, she's not that stupid to believe Oprah or Serena were going to check in every day to see how she was doing. Kate, I could see MM thinking that they'd get together to chat seeings that they live next door to each other but Kate has three kids so MM knows that she's too busy.

I'll bet it's Harry's friends. The public school/university friends he's had forever. They all married within their set. She's trying to crack that group and it won't be easy.

So she's begging mom to come over and keep her company but that means uprooting mom from all *her* friends.

Just for fun.

R574 My sides!!!! The shoe is on the other foot now. She really isn't very smart, is she?

Sorry if this is a duplicate.

The little hat up there with her....

And that ain't MM's hair there, either. They never show the real person on Blind Gossip.

Publicly, Harry's friends I'm sure have been polite to MM, but circles like that are not easy to crack in terms of forming warm and intimate friendships (these are English people, please remember), and it's hardly a stretch to figure that more than one of him think Harry's been a fool, and that she's a famewhore climber. These are people who go back, some of them, to Harry's and William's childhoods and teen years and who are not unlike them in terms of class and privilege. She's an interloper and a stranger, someone who has lived a completely different life from most of them. Even Kate, an English Home Counties girl with parents who were well to do by the time she went to St. Andrews, wasn't viewed as their equal. It took years of appearances at their weddings first as William's steady and then as his wife, before the snows really melted. Kate is still closer to her mother and sister than anyone in William's circle.

So you can imagine what that scene is for Meghan. She's got Harry, period. No surprise if she wants her mother nearby - especially if she falls pregnant.

I'm sure that the scenario at Harry's friends' wedding where she turned up with a black bra showing, mugging to the cameras so much that we barely saw a picture of the bride and groom, didn't exactly help her popularity with them...

R582, no doubt. She really doesn’t have the humility to approach them. She is too ambitious and try-hard. She won’t come at it from an easy-going place.

Well, there would not have been press there if Harry and Meghan hadn't come. Still, no bride wants to see her big day usurped by a lace bra controversy or a large bedspread joke. Harry might be popular but she's really attracting the wrong attention.

And you're right, she can't just show up and expect to be fawned over. That's okay for walk abouts but with their "crowd", Harry is one of them. He's not insisting on protocol like P Margaret did or even Charles. Harry wants to be one of the guys. In a way, it makes it easier to ignore Meghan. They'll be polite of course but no one is going out of their way to become her bestie.

She needs to go outside that group. She should endeavor to be introduced to Posh Spice. They can bond over clothes plus Posh has lived in LA and even had a short lived reality show there. Posh and Becks are a celebrity couple on par with herself. I think this could work in terms of mutual promotion.

Rumours are one of those new besties Sparkle was counting on was Amal Clooney but her life is already full wrangling 2 toddlers and maintaining an active law career so she doesn't really have the time nor energy to indulge Meghan's chit chats and girls night outs. She texts her references for hair stylists, interior designers, fashion contacts and that's pretty much it. They're both fame-whores but when you compare the two of them side-by-side MM's reality appears even more vacuous.

Yeah, Amal is way out of her league, LOL.

If not Posh (really she'd be a great faux friend), I'd love it if she took up Heather Mills. There'd be a certain justice in that.

r584 - I doubt if the Spencers cared whether there was press there or not, nor the von Straubenzees. But they also knew that at a minimum, with Harry there, the press would be there, let alone the new Duchess.

The Beckhams? They are more her style but they certainly aren't the BRF's style. At all.

She needs to keep her head down and not pursue social relationships with chavs, footballers or pop stars. If she's lonely and/or bored then she should do more work or get more dogs.

I'm amused these "stars" are ignoring her. Hilarious.

^^ who didn’t see this coming? Poor markle really isn’t that’s bright

Raise your hands, those who want 'Dangling Tendrils' continued.

Yes please OP, in anticipation of the fashion debacle that will be her trip Down Under.

I agree. These people are a real life Dynasty reboot.

Yes more dangling tendrils please.

Please, sir, I want some more.

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MM's tendrils give off such a sophisticated air.

What's that white spot on her scalp?

She has a lot of wrinkles for her age.

She reminds me of one of those skinny old lady socialites. Dresses like one too. You know, crepe pants even in the heat of summer, a couple of buttons undone to show off freckled, leathery clavicles because the clavicles can still be exposed without scaring the horses, trying to be stylish by rolling up a sleeve carefully so it cuffs like a J. Crew catalogue. But the hair is suspicious, the teeth are fake, and everything that shows is bony.

Some people are like - oh the scandal! Meghan showed shoulder at Trouping of the Colour! But it's not scandalous or sexy. It looks extremely try hard, like one of the senior citizen rich socialite dames who is trying to be first in line with any available man with a pulse. You know MM leaks like a sieve, plants fake stories in the media all the time. One of them not too long ago said Meghan prefers to be both appropriate but "subtly uncovered" to convey a sexiness. IOW, she likes to dress like a Soap Opera Duchess played by an actress who comes from Jersey. Plus contour make-up.

That pink thing she wore at Charles' birthday garden party was mother or grandmother of the bride top to bottom.

Markle can't keep her stories straight. She'll do a spate of press releases about how Kate is her bestie, then she does this that Kate is "cool." Shit yeah, if my brother-in-law brought that little rat home I'd be cool. Meghan is a backstabber and an underminer. I keep up a shield. Didn't she get busted for taking pictures of restricted areas of KP, or was that Jessica Mulroney? Anyway, if Kate befriended her, next thing you know there would be a billion photos of Prince George on her icloud, taken when Kate and William weren't watching, and she'd sell them. Shit, she'd take pictures of what was in their dresser drawers. She'd paw through everything they owned.

If she's so Hwood savvy, she knew the "stars" went to the wedding because they thought it was a score. They all degraded themselves doing it - going to a wedding when they didn't know the bride or groom, just for the showcase. She also knew she'd never hear from them again.

She has no friends. They're not in L.A. They're nowhere. She has confederates - Markus Anderson and Jessica Mulroney and that's pretty much it.

The blind is bullshit. She's not that faux naif. "I thought the A list who vogued for the camera were my new friends!"

Meghan will be out of there as soon as she figures how to make a big $$ score. Problem is the cash isn't there and she's not going to get any. Bet she didn't research the financial structure of the BRF and just bought into the media that members receive an unlimited cash flow and are all, individually, wealthy beyond imagining.

Part 8 - Dangling Tendrils.

Funny but Guy Pelly's American wife, Lizzy Wilson (Holiday Inn heiress) cracked that circle without breaking a sweat. Helps that she's filthy rich, but she also LOOKS English. Super rich, but kind of toothy and a bit angular/horsey, has that sort of vintage/dowdy/expensive English way of dressing. Not a head turner. Except at Prince Louis's christening (Pelly was a godparent) - she was best dressed but in a totally English way. Pelly was the Peck's bad boy of William's circle - the troublemaker, the drunk driver. He cleaned up and I think made as smart a choice as William. There's some "there" there to Wilson, plus she has her own wealthy family if Pelly wants to get away from his own crowd.

Found the photo of Guy and Lizzy at the christening, r604. Nice, light summer colour and style with movement and the hat is gorgeous.