Part 6: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, Is It Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

Reminder of the extravagant £2,200 green long-sleeved t-shirt and pencil skirt for the couple's first official visit to Ireland. The skirt has two large pockets with protruding buttons, which did nothing to flatter Meghan’s box-like frame.

R1 You have got to be kidding me! I will agree that some of MM's fashion choices have been ill-advised, but that green dress is one of her better looks. She looked very beautiful and appropriate in Ireland. She looked confident and comfortable.

Hm. Did a whole bunch of posts just disappear from this thread '

Penny for the Queen's thoughts at Harry's wedding.

Don't think so, r3.

She always wears beige/flesh colored shoes to hide her chicken legs. When she wears shoes that are a different color from her skin color you can really see how disgustingly skinny her legs are.

Re dangling tendrils - from the start, Meghan was touted by her fans as someone “better than Kate” - better educated, more hard-working, with better understanding of the issues with which she was going to be working, but also prettier, more stylish, less matronly - in short, everything Kate did, Meghan was supposed to do not only better, but effortlessly so. Hair is big part of Kate’s image, it has been said many times she takes very seriously everything related to hair care, William has been quoted saying that her hair is a “nightmare.” I think Meghan bought into this idea of trying to outshine Kate, and what we see now is the results if that.

She has yet to outshine Kate. Her whole style is mostly slappy and not put together like Kate. I don't think overly long pants and ill fitting dresses is what I consider fashion icon.

It's unfortunate her legs look so emaciated because under "normal circumstances" that green t-shirt outfit she wore upon landng in Ireland should have or could have looked dazzling. On Sparkles, all the elegance of that intended sultry look she was trying so hard to achieve was completely lost.

This photo from R591's post is worth sharing here again. Note, as R592 pointed out, she still has elastic marks from her socks on the bird legs. She must really have been dragged out of bed and thrown on a bathrobe.

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Thanks for re-posting, r10. That photo is now a funny/sad MM Iconic fashion moment.

Actually, I think she'd look good in a very short pixie cut. Gamine. Chic.

Too many women think they must have long hair because it's sexy.

Sparkles would never cut her hair shor, pixie-cut-like, r13. Not when she's got this gorgeous head of hair staring back at her.

short.....

Meghan is a California girl, she’s used to a more relaxed dress style. The idea of a coat-dress is probably too much for her. People praising her “Suits” wardrobe don’t realize that she most likely hated it (something along the lines: “I became an actress in no small part because I dudn’t want to go to office everyday and wear a suit”) and vowed never to wear a pencil skirt again in her life when she quit.

Imagine all the nasty chemicals and hours and hours of time she must spend on her hair to get it straight. She has 'bad hair'.

Anyone else thinking the Queen looks like she's about to burst into tears in r4's photo?

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Would a pixie cut work with her type of hair? It seems too coarse. It would likely look like a cropped afro which would be waaaay to ethnic for her and the RF.

I wonder when the really long hair/extension trend will end. How long has it been going on now, 10-15 years? There isn't much variety in hairstyles for women nowadays. I think it looks particularly bad on SOME women past a certain age depending on the quality of their hair. Gray hair tends to be coarser and curlier and harder to manage and even with the best dye jobs, it can look dry. It needs a lot of conditioning and management Couple that with thinning associated with menopause and it's not the best look. I'm not suggesting women defeminize themselves by cutting it all off, getting granny perms or wearing it in a cottage loaf style like Princess Anne. But you've got to work with what you've got. There are tons of flattering shoulder length styles.

But that's just it, r14. She will never have Kate-like hair. Right now she's processing the shit out of it. She needs to cut it off and start over.

Good point, it wouldn't be a pixie without more processing and I agree, a cropped Afro might be too controversial. Maybe it would be more ringlet curls though?

Her hair almost looks synthetic like a wig. If you look at individual hairs of different races under the microscope black hair is thinner than white peoples but white people have thinner hair than asians. When black women straighten their hair it always looks so wiry and even thicker than asian's hair. It always looks so coarse and oily for some reason. It looks like she has horse hair on her head. How is that her real hair? She has black ghetto women hair. I have only seen hair like her's sitting behind Shaniqua on the city bus.

The mermaid look as worn by Jessica Simpson is hilarious to see. She looks like a cartoon character.

Harry must wake up with MM's chemical hair product all over the place. Not to mention touching that coarse horse hair.

A just-past-the-shoulder blunt cut would look fantastic on her. Smooth and polished when down but still long enough to put up.

She would stlll be tethered to toxic hair straightening products, r25. Maybe a wig - Like Brigitte!

Yes, still having to straighten it, but it looks less of a mess.

Stop it. The chemicals used today to straighten hair is NOTHING like years ago. Women of all colors and hair use it to straighten their hair since straight hair has been a fashion trend for many years.

The big challenge for MM is the climate she now lives in. Gone are the dry, sunny climes of California. She's now in a dank, rainy, blustery climate and she is going to have to work that much harder to tame her hair.

" Most women experience problems with frizzing on humid days and African-American women can have even more problems given the average texture of African-American hair. In order to fight frizz, you need to use products that will seal the hair and prevent the penetration of the hair shaft by the moisture in the hair. Look for product containing silicone or using wax bases..."

Nasty stuff, r28. Read on:

3. Just because a stylist or hair-care company says a hair-smoothing treatment is formaldehyde-free, doesn't mean it is.

No hair treatment will technically contain formaldehyde (because — a little more chemistry for you — it's a gas). What they can contain are methylene glycol, formalin, methanal, and methanediol — ingredients that release formaldehyde when heated or mixed with water. Because salon treatments don't require FDA approval, you need to do your own due diligence if you want a formaldehyde-free service......

That photo of Naomi Campbell is a shocker.

R22 You ride the city bus with Shaniqua, but you want to talk shit about "ghetto women" and their hair? Do you really think that you are better than anyone else?

There is nothing wrong with MM's hair. She doesn't need a haircut. I think that the advising women over 30 to cut their hair is ridiculous. Do you not see how awful soccer mom hair is? You have scores of white women cutting their hair up to their ears hoping that they will look better or more polished. Some of them look terrible because it doesn't suit them. Short or even shorter hair does not suit everyone.

[quote]She looked very beautiful and appropriate in Ireland. She looked confident and comfortable.

I strongly disagree.

SHE DID NOT LOOK APPROPRIATE AT ALL.

That Tshirt and skirt outfit for an arrival on an official visit to Ireland is flat out INSULTING. Way, way too casual. Like she didn't care enough to wear the more formal clothes that would have shown respect for the country that she was visiting.

Those clothes were much, much more informal than the clothes she wore to Chester, for example.

When I saw the pictures of her getting off the plane carrying that bag, she looked like she was playing the role of assistant to some tycoon. Trailing her boss off the plane with her work in her bag.

She did not look like a member of the Royal Family on a visit.

That outfit was insulting to Ireland.

Fuck that bitch.

[quote] I think that the advising women over 30 to cut their hair is ridiculous.

Where was this said anywhere in the "Tendrils" threads? We're saying the bitch doesn't know how to flatter herself.

R32 - Are you insisting that sloppy, rolled-out-of-bed hair is a good thing for MM, as she modeled the look in engagement announcement photos? She looked embarrassingly unpolished and downright unkempt. It looked as though Clarence House or KP behind the scenes gave her enough rope to proceed. I don't know what she was trying to portray, do you?

Her presentation was uncouture worthy (ill-fitting shoes and elastic sock marks on lower shins, bathrobe-type coat shorter than dress, and unstyled hair that blew all over, obscuring the bride-to-be's face in engagement announcement photos. It was as though she had spent the monetary allotment on unflattering couture only to ignore her crowning glory. If you think this looks good, pipe up!

Don't get me wrong, MM is a beautiful woman, but she doesn't know what to do with herself and thinks she's above it all, requiring advice only from trashy friends like Jessica Mulroney. She could have devastatingly beautiful looks, but she NO! She seems to roll out of bed and try to manage herself sloppily, perhaps without the help of stylists, make up artists or hairdressers.

And I am sorry to say, yes, she would look better if she got rid of the old growth she had in the engagement photos. That's the kind of overgrowth you see in forests that eventually burn down California towns.

I just don't get how she can go out without looking in a mirror at how messy she looks. Can't want for Charles Von Staubenzee's wedding on Saturday to see what she comes up with, especially with always put together Kate in attendance with William. Even money that she doesn't wear a British designer yet again? Her dress to the Spencer wedding was one of her worst fashion disasters and Harry is the Best Man. Hope she can pull it together and wear something that's not completely ill-fitting and wrong for the occasion. It's summer, hopefully she'll realize that and stop wearing olive and oatmeal colored dresses.

She ought to wear her engagement photo gown again. It cost tens of thousands, she needs to get the C per W down to a reasonable level.

^ to the wedding this weekend, I mean.

That engagement dress was fabulous, and she looked fabulous in those photos. That said, I doubt she'll be able to wear it more than once or twice.

Which one do you mean? The brown nude with the gilt palmeiras clutching her tits?

Yes, that one.

Link not working at r40.

Link not working because it burned retinas, as per usual.

Wealth cunts, here you are:

That see-through $75,000 shimmery, tulle ball gown per Ralph & Russo's Autumn Winter 2016 runway show, was OTT in price and style for Sparkle's "demure" royal role. The ball gown is a reportedly celebrity favorite, with Rihanna, Zendaya and Bella Hadid for the purposes of "rocking the designs on the red carpet"

MM could always re-purpose the bottom half of that ball gown as a feather duster.

It's the favorite of girls who are at least 10 years younger than she is. Nobody that skinny has enough character to pull something so tacky off.

R11 nailed it about Princess Charlène, my one complaint about her is she is seen at very few royal events (Grimaldis don’t get a lot of invites) but the ones she attended she didn’t wear her good jewels. I get that she has a minimal aesthetic and wants to emphasize her natural outdoorsy sporty beauty, but I remember she went bareheaded to a tiara occasion and royal watchers were disappointed.

Even William likes Charlene, r47.

Thanks, r47. Not posting any more Princess Charlene pics. It's too depressing to look at in context of 'fashion disaster' Sparkles.

Charlene has the benefit of being 5'10", and has broad swimmers' shoulders, so her gowns drape nicely. She seems somewhat less depressed than she had appeared in previous Grimaldi PR photos. I can't abide Albert and can't imagine who else can take that frumpy middle aged thing in the sack. I hope she has some nice muscle on the side.

The idea that MM was "better educated" than Kate is absurd. St. Andrews is a top-notch university, and Kate went to quality prep schools in her leafy, upper-class suburb. And whilst Kate may have spent her twenties opening her legs for the matrimonial catch of her generation, by all odds MM spent her early adult life opening her legs for anyone she thought could advance her dogged search for A-List status - including Harry Windsor, and for the same reason.

At least with Kate there's a sense she genuinely loves William, and she clearly doesn't live for the cameras and the spotlight. She hasn't deviated much from her Home Counties Girl persona, because that's who she really is.

The MM worshippers have been living in some alternate universe, elevating a fairly ordinary, moderately attractive, social climber of limited talent except for self-aggrandizement into something noble, superior, selfless, transformative, and gorgeous.

If MM had a 'moderately attractive' body, then I'd agree with you, r51 that she's 'moderately attractive.' Unfortunately.....

R51 Believe it or not, there are (increasingly rare) people who are happy for the good fortune of others.

R53 - Believe it or not, there are people who don't give a damn one way or the other about the fortunes of others, but who do find it interesting to observe, analyse, and hold opinions about people who have made it clear they are only too delighted to be at last the cynosure of all eyes.

MM asked for it, and now she's got it. Including being talked about on DL.

There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.

R11 & R48 - the only thing that bothers me about Charlene of Monaco is that she uses too much collagen and botox. She can barely move her face which may be one reason why we rarely see her smile. Oh, speaking of her smile...she's had her teeth done to perfection too so they seem too big for her mouth.

The recent pics of her fishnet dress make me wonder if she's had her eyes lifted. When she was dating Albert, she had deep lines in her face. Today, she looks younger than when she was in her twenties. Hmmm, I wonder how that happened. In the photo below, her eyes are more open than I can recall. She'll look like a freak show by her fifties if she doesn't knock it off. She's a down-to-earth woman so I don't understand all of this fakery. Does she think it will keep her fat husband from straying? I doubt it.

R52 - Oh, I think MM is a reasonably pretty woman. She's got a problem figure and I think her insistence on long straight hair has contributed to a problem look (and clearly fried, often stiff looking hair), but nobody's perfect, her face has a certain charm. If she would just relax, stop playing Dress Up Duchess Doll with luxury labels, cut the hair and let it go a bit more natural, and get out of her Resurrection of Dior's New Look c. 1955, she would do much better. She's hardly an eyesore, she's just overworking it in odd ways.

Compare this photo of a young Charlene to the princess of Monaco in R56. What a makeover!

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If Meghan was "wowing" the public with her exquisite Hollywood star style, believe me, Harry wouldn't be complaining, r60. She's probably pissed off at the backlash and crying on his shoulder. So, Ginger Dim Wit reacts. As always.

The engagement evening gown was fine on its own, it just wasn't suitable for the engagement photos. Not when Harry was wearing a bright blue suit and tan suede desert boots. Too mismatched, too sheer bodice, too overdressed, too expensive.

That’s about it r62. In and of itself it isn’t that bad, I’ve seen far, far worse on the red carpet but this wasn’t a red carpet event so the gown was wholly inappropriate in context, price and presentation. She might as well have been wearing a sign saying “you British taxpayers are working to support ME now!”

[quote] The engagement evening gown was fine on its own

In Hollywood, sure.

But on a member of the RF at some formal dinner or occasion?

Nope.

So Paul Burrell's take is that she needs to pop out a kid ASAP.

Also he didn't have any useful advice re dealing with her father/family, just *something* needs to be done.

Paul Burrell, of all people, should STFU.

Burrell looks like lumpy mashed potatoes.

Could this DM comment be from a DLer?

Let's just correct that headline, shall we? "Prince Harry has been *told* that 'there's too much hysteria around Meghan' and *ordered* to 'spend time out of the spotlight'". There ya go, fixed it for you. :)

R60 If Harry is worried about hysteria, perhaps MM is not handling all of the pressure that well. It has to be a painful time for her considering that her father is in the media making trouble for her. They probably just want to scale back her public life a bit. It is understandable.

R34 Someone was talking about whether or not a pixie cut would work with her hair type. Why should she get a haircut? Her hair is fine! She is half black. Black hair care can be more complicated. If she were to wear her hair "natural" without straightening it, she would face another host of issues. Trust me. The tendrils alone tell you that black hair, whether natural or straight, does what it wants to do.

I thought that the engagement photos were lovely, but I didn't like the dress too much. I guess it gave them that "modern" look that they were going for. Harry and MM always look lovely together. Classic 1+1=3.

R69 - Short spurts of activity (Irish tour), an engagement here and there and then she's rarely seen in public. She's going to have to do better than that if she wants to be considered a working member of the royal family. Harry needs to up his game as well. Actually, I should inclue Will and Kate but they have a young family so I'll cut them some slack for awhile. This time would have been a great opportunity to "introduce" her to the Brits when Will and Kate are bonding with the new addition but it's been wasted.

^ include

There's no hysteria about MM except in the DM and sites like CB, Royal Dish, and Royal Gossip. Most of the British public doesn't give her two thoughts in a month of Sundays. However, within the circle of people who are heavily invested in either her raging success or abject failure, her family and the rising questions about the cost of her non-British wardrobe, the failure of expectation that she would "hit the ground running" loudly shooting her mouth off about varied causes, there's certainly talk.

I also don't agree with the "pixie cut" suggestion, I think MM would look awful in it. But she is frying her hair in her attempt to have hair like someone she isn't. The look could be softened with a shoulder length blunt-cut bob to give thinkness, and the hair straightened less so that there's softness and wave. Something about her trying to have hair like Kate, Chelsy, and Cressida (for example) just isn't working.

It is always anxiety producing to find oneself agreeing with Paul Burrell. People need to remember that he did have access to more information than the BRF was comfortable with. He was a footman with them before he became Diana's butler and "rock". Just remember that when he was charged with theft regarding some of Diana's possessions, the Queen gave (private) evidence that she had "spoken with him about the disputed items" and the Crown presented a "public immunity" certificate that asserted that disclosure of certain information would be detrimental to the public interest.

One can only salivate at that. I doubt his access now is as good as it was, but still, he probably knows them very, very well - enough to take shrewd guesses about what is going on behind the scenes now re Meghan.

*a shoulder length bob to give THICKNESS (not thinkness, although it's tempting to leave it as is . . .)

R72

A medium length bob would also soften her jawline.

Interesting that Sparkles in less than 3 months since her "grand" royal wedding, is causing enough controversy for Paul Burrell to emerge from the woodwork and weigh in with his opinions and advice. The Smughan and Hazza Royal Comedy Roadshow has only commenced.

Kate and her mum must be privately cackling especially over MM's clown-like outfit and makeup at the "internationally-televised" Wimbledon. Bigger audience than Z-list actress Megs could ever have imagined. Kate comes out of the Wimbledon appearance looking like a poised, elegantly attired Princess and credible future Queen-to-be. (Score one big royal point for Kate!)

Now, 'superstar" Smughan is temporarily banished (and distanced from the press) from the very spotlight she craved. In the Cotswolds, with hubby rattling around in their rented country mansion, putting on brave faces with society pals while cooling their jetset egos and slavishly trawling the internet for any feedback on their "massive success" as a royal couple.

The imagination runs rife thinking how courtiers are going to contain or manage MM a million miles away when she emerges on Australian soil in October.

Nope, I stand by my pixie cut BUT, as the poster after me pointed out, her natural hair texture wouldn't work with the style I had in mind.

I just think she's going to end up bald one of these days with all the straightening and extensions and that hair will never look as good or healthy as Kate's (who's a freaking walking shampoo commercial). I wish she'd go natural with a short Afro but the BRF aren't ready for that.

Meghan needs to embrace her "Hair."

Boy, Kate couldn’t get break on DL before Me married into the family. Now some of you are holding her up to be the epitome of royal elegance.

I’m going to say it again. Kate is NOT popular in the UK and she and William are perceived as lazy.

As for Charlene, well I think Monaco is a more show biz/celebrity type court so things like outrageous plastic surgery are the norm. It could be worse, she could have baked herself to a wrinkled brown crisp like Caroline and Stephanie.

Sparkles is the best thing to happen to Kate, r78.

Let's see ---- bathrobe-style coats and cowsh** hats versus traditional styling. Hmmm...

Neither of them look good there.

Better video resolution.

I love Kate’s coat @ r80.

It's not just DL, DM, etc that has a bad impression of me-again, I've been noticing when they try to give her the gushy fashion-icon treatment on random lite sites that pop up on Facebook-- for instance, Vogue, Bazaar, NY Mag.... most of the comments are negative anymore. She's fake, uses people, was a yachter, wears ugly, too-big clothes, she should call her dad. She's somehow managed to convey a lot of not very appealing character traits, as well as fashion don'ts.

R24, Harry has looked of late as though he has had a very rude awakening.

R78 - You know what Somerset Maugham said about Monaco: "A sunny place for shady people".

The Grimaldis make the Windsors look like a monastic order.

There is something strange and disturbing about the Albert-Charlene marriage; he needed heirs to prevent Monaco from returning to a French protectorate and waited as long as he could before selecting her. She is very striking (although I do find her shoulders a bit too broad) and I think she is taller than 5'10". Occasionally I catch a photo of her and her eyes look like tragic pools. I suppose she was handsomely paid to provide those heirs.

His father was a very rich Ruritanian toad who pulled one of the great blonde beauties of the 20th century. And here is the son, also a very rich Ruritanian toad, also having pulled a striking blonde beauty (even if she isn't quite Kelly). Ranier proposed to Kelly very quickly, they barely knew each other. I expect Kelly married Ranier for the same reason Charlene married Albert.

Wonders never cease.

Harry's half-hearted smile as everyone else is cracking up around him.

She looks like the maid.

R87: 4 smiles = fake, rueful, suppressed, and free.

R75 - I do think you're exaggerating a bit. Distanced from the press might be true, but "banished"? She hasn't been "banished" - they can set their own schedules, they don't work the way the rest of us do, and they did their initial rounds before and after the wedding, and now they are taking it easy before the next round, because, dontcha know, they're simply exhausted, the poor dears.

And Sparkle has to work on her wardrobe for Australia, don't forget.

Meghan's getup in r87 reminds me of one of the Trumps meeting the Pope!

What DOES one wear in an antipodean spring? Rubber waders and an ostrich feather fan? Raccoon hat with see-through ball gown? What do you do with a purse, hat, umbrella, gloves, golf clubs and fan when the Prime Minister goes to shake your hand?

So right, 90. All the royals are on hols this time of year, de-stressing, doing their thing. Megs has gotten off on a rocky start on so many fronts, as previously noted. I would think Harry and Will's new PR Director is working overtime to re-cast the newlyweds, especially 'hit the groud running" Megs in a more ahem...positive light in advance of their trip down under.

R92 - One trembles to imagine what might appear.

The blush-coloured Goat dress she wore to Charles's birthday garden party a few days after the wedding would be appropriate and safe.

Oh dear, they're also going to NZ. One can only imagine the feminist rhetoric as MM gets to meet Jacinda Ardern and they coo and exclaim over how high time it was that a country had a leader who had a baby whilst in office . . . the heart sinks at the prospect of the bullshit that will be flung.

R93 - well, it is August - the Wedding is over, Charles's Garden Party is over, Ascot is over, the Dublin Tour is over, the Outing with the Queen is over, the Mandela Exhibition is over, the Sentebale Polo Match is over, the Queen has left for Balmoral, Wills and Kate went to Mustique for a long-awaited vacation, the Tindalls have a new baby at home - Britain is still in the grip of a heat wave . . .

But, yet, it hasn't been all roses as everyone thought it would be.

And, yes, I imagine that the Down Under tour will be an opportunity to regroup for the Sussexes and recover some unexpected lost ground - the press coverage will be frantic.

And then prepare for the pregnancy announcement - without which, Sparkle will come under increasing media pressure.

R80 - The hat on Sparkle at Sandringham really did look like a cow patty - a simply disastrous look coming over her forehead like that. And another bulky bathrobe coat making her look like a tank. Kate's coat was too short but it did show off what she has that Sparkle doesn't: great legs, although I could have done without the Zhivago headgear (it looked much better on Julie Christie - but then, what didn't?).

R88 - Black Church Lady Hat.

What Meghan thinks she is projecting onto the world from Buckingham Palace balcony -- An Audrey Hepburn star-like quality.

I wonder if Charlene ever managed to learn French. I remember reading years ago that she was struggling with it. Albert himself, although fluent, prefers English and supposedly stutters a little in French because it’s triggering to him reminding him of his father who was a bully to him.

R97 - Don't ,the contract is too painful. Look at that tiny waist on Hepburn, the longer legs carrying the full skirt, the beautiful posture, and most of all, the impossibly chic flat hat, almost medieval looking, not Meghan's Rich Widow At The Reading Of The Will.

Hepburn's waist looks about 18" around.

Harry has some very serious thinking to do before he impregnates Sparkles. If he does, he'll have tied himself and his family into a very messy divorce down the road. Clingwrap Megs has her claws deep in him and won't let go unless forced and for a steep price.

I know, r99. But Meghan is Livng Her Hollywood / Disney World Dream.

Many aging women look better with a shorter style. And I don’t mean SHORT. Shoulder length is usually better. I had a friend in her 80s with long white hair and it was beautiful. It suited her face - she had exquisite bone structure and it suited her. It didn’t look silly at all. It’s bordering on Baby Jane when crones try to pass themselves off as maidens.

Meghan has a few more years of that hair before it looks grasping.

R98 - damn it all, I meant the CONTRAST is too painful. But you knew that. . .

We knew that, r103!

Charlene always looks chic, chic, chic. Too bad Albert snapped her up first. He looks old enough to be her dad here.

I lived in Australia for 7 years. To be honest, I never really noticed any real "seasons" in the North American sense, r92. I remember getting in an elevator one "winter" morning in Sydney and two guys were talking to each other muttering "how bloody cold" it was outside. I stood mute. It was maybe 11C or 51F that day. A perfectly refreshing brisk morning to me.

I thought to myself - you guys have no clue what cold really is.

Aaacckkkk!, r105. We need to ban Princess Charlene photos on this thread. Charlene is too stunning and a painful reminder of .....MeAgain's style challenges.

Standard Hair-In-The-Face look.

^^^She looks like she’s wearing a false beard there.

It seems Sparkles got the idea that neutrals = classy.

That might be true in home decor, but don’t forget “never wear brown in town.”

She could be sensitive about her skin colour, r110. I wouldn't know -- but it is strange that throughout the summer, with the exception of Ascot and another event, MeAgain has worn dark, dull colours everywhere. The Christenening; Polo match, Ireland (that visit she wore black almost the entire time), dark funereal blue for commemorative 150 year RAF ceremony at the Abbey and then for photo op on Buckingham Palace balcony standing beside the Queen. And countless other times, including the time where she wore a black suit for ANZAC day.

at Westminster Abbey...

Charlene, chic in Papal white. She received the honor of wearing white in The Vatican as the consort of a Catholic sovereign, Princess Grace was never given this honor.

Wow!

Re-posting photo of Princess Anne giving Megs the side eye at Royal Albert Hall.

How is that side eye? She’s looking at her and somewhat down.

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What exactly happened at the Royal Albert Hall with Princess Anne and the seating?

I've seen it referenced several times, but never got the whole story.

Dying of curiosity. Please do tell.

Same here, r118. Curious to know.

I really cannot figure out why SPARKLE favors a bateau neck.

That cut creates a boxy silhouette and flattens the bust. It’s good for people with small shoulders, to give the appearance of larger shoulders (to balance a pear shape, for example.)

Thus is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Sparkle needs. She’s already boxy, large-shouldered, flat chested, and has a puny lower body.

R88 Oddly enough, she now likely has white maids and ladies in waiting.

R102 MM's hair is her best feature. She has a pretty face, but her hair makes her look more beautiful. Long hair is more versatile as you can see with all of those lovely Kate Middleton updos. Angelina Jolie is past 40 and looks good with long hair. As long as it suits you, keep it.

MM must really have some of you spooked if you need to go rummaging through The House of Grimaldi trying to find a royal that can match MM.

This thread is full of racist shit stirred by Breitbart or whoever. The discussion about Meghan’s hair was worthy of Heinrich Himmler. Sad

R122 I agree. The sad thing is that it would actually be fun to have a thread on here discussing her various looks. Della is amazing and there were a few other posters who had interesting royal gossip to throw in the mix.

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R94. Not to worry. The gloomy what-have-the-royals-done skies are gonna clear up. The wedding of Princess Eugenie is on the horizon. Mark your calendar for the wedding of the season: 12 October 2018. You're not invited, but mark your calendar anyway.

Hold on.

Isn't today the wedding of Harry's friend? Where Harry is best man?

Trusting the DM (where they advertise "WE PAY CASH FOR VIDEOS") to come through with something of interest.

Are Will & Kate attending too? Or is the groom just Harry's friend?

What is the trash half sister getting out of this?

I can’t imagine a grown woman behaving this way.

Does she realize she’s a trash bag, and just not care? Or has she spent her whole life in the gutter, so she thinks this is normal?

I would bet a lot of money that Sparkles is annoyed as hell this wedding is on HER BIRTHDAY!

R124 Did she really "@" KensingtonRoyal? Samantha has no chill.

MM can have a distant relationship with her father, but she needs to get him to promise not to discuss her with his nutty offspring. I fully understand why MM kept the Markles hidden from Harry. Not only are they unstable, they are also different looking.

This is why you need to meet the family. If your partner only lets you meet one blood relative, run for your life.

There must be some very weird back story about Charlene and Albert. I get that she looks a lot like his mother and he needed some legitimate heirs. But she.always looks as if she is being held captive in the castle, occasionally smiling bravely.

R86, I'm pretty sure the "must have male heir or Monaco reverts to France" rule has been thrown out. If he hadn't married, couldn't he make on of his sisters' boys his heir? I think that happened a few generations ago which is how Rainier came into the role.

I agree, Charlene gives every appearance of having been sold into this marriage. Maybe she's just one of those serious, humorless people. She does look stunning, no matter what she wears, but just eternally sad.

btw, there are plenty of early-marriage Kate photos with her hair blowing in her face or with her hands holding it back from her face. She looks much better with it now, a couple inches below her shoulders, but it's still going to blow in her face on windy days.

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Looking directly at the camera AGAIN. Tongue out. Jesus, this woman needs to get it together.

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Who’s the designer?

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Holy Shit! What a bloody mess!

Is she so hungry that she eating her hair?

"Oh my, are you all here for ME?"

Loving the attention.

She's got the Hollywood air kiss down pat.

Good lord, she looks ghastly. The hat is fussy, the hair is a mess, the black colour is dismal in the summer heat and does neither her hair nor her skin any favours, there is as usual yards and yards of cloth, the top and bottom look as if they come from two completely outfits for two completely different occasions, the belt does what bulky belts always do to her and the pleated multi-coloured skirt is clownish. Its only advantage is that it hides the stick legs.

The only word for the outfit is clumsy trying to present as chic. Who is the deisgner?!

No designer mentioned in the Adam yet, expect it will come later. I hope it's not a British designer because the skirt is quite ugly.

Scroll down for unfortunate pic of MM turning to wave to someone and top gaping open to show lacey bit underneath.

And her bra is showing in r142.

^ Adam > DM

Wallis Duchess of Windsor often (but not always) wore dark colors too, she was considered quite chic though.

R142 - No kidding - so much so that she's invited a bit more by leaving her top button open so one can get a glimpse of the black lace bra or camisole or slip or whatever it is underneath. The grey draped Givenchy she wore in Dublin also made clear the outline of her strapless bra. The woman is a hopeless narcissist.

I think this outfit might just catch the de la Renta tablecloth in a photo finish.

The outfit is mental, simply mental.

Dellllllaaaaaaaaaaa!

The bride Daisy Jenks.

Wow... I've often thought you all were too harsh on Meghan for her clothes and hair. Until now. It's like she's trying to make dark colors her signature style. It's not working. Her hair looks silly. Regardless of its texture, it would be easy to put it up in a neat bun.

Talking to the wedding guests. I believe that's Harry's cousin Emily who was recently married (Nutmeg wore the blue & white monstrosity to her wedding).

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She looks Funeral chic for a wedding.

Girl doesn't learn.

I wouldn't go to work with my lacy black bra showing, and here this woman is going to church!

She can't decide if she is going to a funeral or a summer occasion.

That's because there was NO TIME from her rolling out of bed today, r157.

The granny skirt is horrible for her.

Suspect Della is recoverng from a nervous breakdown from MeAgain's last fashion disaster.

The blouse looks cheap like she got it from target. Maybe she should try Macy's because they have better blouses with color and pastels. The hat is too black for a lively summer wedding. The skirt is ok but the belt, hat and blouse need to go.

I like the hat, it would be cute with an other haircut.

The rest is just terrible for an English summer wedding during hot wave.

She looks out of place with her usual attention grabbing behavior.

Look at the bride's gown, little flower petals stitched all over. Look at her bouquet, an armful of daisies and wildflowers. Look at the other women guests in pastels, florals, sundresses, some not even wearing hats (gasp!). Now MM wearing black? navy? chiffon standing out from the crowd.

She looks fine in a v-neck, but the neckline seems to be slipping down the back of her neck. The aforementioned unbuttoned gap. The truly ugly color blocking in the skirt.

R148 The Duchess of Windsor usually wore couture that fitted her perfectly.

Maybe the half black was planned in case The Duke of Edinburgh died in the night.

And OP wanted to stop at Thread #5!

Well, OP - what do you have to say now, eh?!

By the time of the York wedding and the Australia tour, we'll be up to Thread #10.

Click on the link below and see that her slut shoes now have BOWS on them.

What a freaking disaster. The hat belongs with a sharp suit, not a flowy pleated polyester casual dress.

The peek of black lace bra was completely intentional. There is no way she didn’t know it was showing. I can picture Harry telling her and trying to button her up, and Meghan slapping his hand away, saying “that’s the look the designer intended. God, you don’t know anything about fashion!”

A common joke in the UK is that The Mother of The Groom will wear black if she disapproves of the Bride. Maybe Meghan doesn't like Harry's friends.

Here, r165.

-- OP

Maybe Harry and Meghan get along just fine and they are loving being married to each other. You never know.

That dress looks like it came from H&M.

Which is NOT necessarily a bad thing. My SIL has a trendy style and has the opposite knack- making cheap clothing look expensive. I’ll compliment her on a dress and she’ll say “oh this? It’s from H&M!” She also is very clever about dressing for her body, and occasion.

Meghan makes expensive things look cheap. I’ll never forget when she left some of the plastic wrapping on one of her handbags. I’m not an expert, but I don’t think high-end handbags come wrapped in plastic...

Where's her fashion consultant who can advise her on the types and styles of dresses worn to summer weddings in the UK?

--Oh right, she - Jessica Mulroney - would be back in Canada.

[quote] I’m not an expert, but I don’t think high-end handbags come wrapped in plastic...

Yes, they do. Or the metal zippers, handles, etc are wrapped in plastic so that they don't get scratched. It's common on all designer bags, including the one she was sporting.

[quote] THE QUEEN SHARES HER TASTE IN BROLLIES

Oh, really? It's the other way around.

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I also agree the constant mugging and waving at the press is completely grasping. She's not on the red carpet at a movie premiere, she's at a fucking wedding.

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Ugh, she is so hateable! Waving and showing off at someone else's wedding. She was too greedy for attention at her own to even have bridesmaids. Sadly, she probably dresses that way to stand out.

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Back to hand holding.

She and Amal - fame whore camera seekers.

MM's dress is by Club Monaco. Owned by Ralph Lauren.

"The first US store opened in Santa Monica in 1989. Until 1999, Club Monaco was a Canadian company and was based at Avenue Road and Bloor Street West along the Mink Mile in Toronto. It is now owned and operated by Polo Ralph Lauren, which acquired Club Monaco in 1999."

R181- I'm sure I saw knock-offs of those shades at Target.

Look, she knows she should be wearing clothes from British designers. She been told.

She's ignoring them.

Cut the funds. Let Harry pay for her clothes. He married her. Let him pay the bills out of his own money.

I think Kate wears something understated and seen-before to weddings so no one focuses on her instead of the bride. Meagain needs to learn some of that.

In pic at R179, looks like someone told her to button up.

But what's the slip situation? Only Half of her (sheer) skirt seems to have a slip under it.

Kate's able to do that because she has confidence and good manners. Sparkle lacks at least the former, and wasn't brought up as carefully as Kate.

Look at how she's doing a whirl-around -"tee-hee, peek-a-boo!" in r138! And the people next to her are all, "whatever.". The woman in the oyster grey hat is doing severe side eye!

I tried that dress on at Club Monaco yesterday, it's boring as hell. Bought a chic cream jumpsuit instead.

Her style is terrible. And, I'm very curious who got her to button up, that was deliberate and quite stupid of her. Harry is a child, he won't be able to deal with the criticism, I bet he leaves a lot.

The funny thing is, if Sparkle wore some plain sheath dress is a pretty color, she'd look infinitely better and she wouldn't be pulling focus from the bride.

i still say she would look gorgeous in a plain, pink sheath dress. V neck, length just covering her knees.

Here is it on a model. There's a drawstring waist under that double-wrapped leather thing and how she managed to keep the dangling ties hidden is beyond me. Having them sliding out from under the leather belt would have been classic MeAgain.

She's slipping.

Eug looks appropriate but a bit boring.

R192 Who in his right mind can think it's a good look for a summer wedding?

WHY?????

You beat me to it, r192. Original display has no belt. It is a simple tie at the waist. MeAgain thought it would be an "awesome" idea to make a waist for herself and ratch up by using a big leather statement belt - like her bathrobe-inspired series of dresses and coats.

Eugenia looks lovely in that sheath at r181, it fits, suits her figure, has a fitted jacket over it that emphasizes the curve of her waist, looks cool (temperature-wise) the BF is wearing a matching tie. Well played all around. Except for the sunglasses, they look stupid.

That dress is just plain ugly and SO wrong for a summer wedding.

Her hair looks especially synthetic today.

Those heels are hideous. They verge on lucite stripper heels territory-- that's how tacky they are.

Only whores wear heels that high and teetering.

Agree, r196. But Eug is starting to look a lttle matronly at 28 years. If she could shed a few stone or pounds, she could look so much younger and more stylish. Any extra weight on her short stature detracts from whatever she wears.

Okay, Club Monaco. Right price point ($328) , at least it's not in the thousands, but another US designer and ugly to boot. The pink Brooks Brother sheath linked above would be perfect but for some reason Megsy wants to be a fashion plate and she has terrible taste.

328$ is expensive for such a wrong look.

Anyone who has ever tried to salvage a few good spinach leaves from a package that's going bad will recognize the green on the skirt as the exact shade of the leaves that have turned to slime.

The pleated skirt style is designed to take eyes away from her legs. That is MM's greatest body flaw issue. The pleated skirt gives her an excuse to wear longer dresses or skirts and hide her bird legs. She never, ever, ever, unless forced, wears a dress that attracts attention to her legs.

Expect more of this for the Australia tour.

Sunglasses and hand holding.

Is the top part of the dress black or blue?

I can forgive navy blue (I guess), but wearing black to a wedding is just beyond rude.

I like the sheath in R191. Another option is the outfit worn here by Queen Letizia of Spain (another petite figure). She has the summer colors that Nutmeg needs to wear. Keep the Navy, black, gray and browns for the miserable winter months.

I hear you r196 but matronly? or classic? I'm just v conservative re clothes. Trendy segues to dated very fast. Also Eugenie inherited the Windsor figure. She's never going to be slim and trim even if she starves herself. She should look into better bras because she is shortwaisted. Someone like Neicy Nash knows how to wrangle the girls.

Crown Princess Mary of Denmark can teach Nutmeg a thing or two about fashion.

Her non-British fashion choices have turned the Queen to stone. She's not amused.

Attention whore extraordinaire.

Nutmeg thinks it's HER wedding day all over again.

Harry looks like he can't wait to get away to the nearest pub for a drink.

Well I'm impressed that she can walk in those heels.

Kate at the wedding of Princess Diana's niece, Emily McCorquodale on June 9 2012 in the Lincolnshire Hamlet of Stock Rochford.

Correction: Kate at wedding of Thierry Kelaart and Patrick Heathcote-Amory Oxford

...or back to bed, r212.

This outfit is almost as bad as the atrocious blue/white number she wore at the other wedding. I hate to think what she's going to wear to Eugenie's wedding in October (white, pastels???). Thus far, I don't think Kate has anything to worry about. Meghan just can't pull it together and she remains the fashion icon of the family. Here is a summary of what Meghan wore today.

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Meghan and Harry are sooooo SusSEXY!!!

R219 - a balding Ginger and a lady with birdlegs are sexy? Someone needs glasses.

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Jessica Mulroney just woke up, r220.

r220, bitter old queens find refuge on DL.

Harry and Meghan aren't models. They are royals.

You are using the bad criteria to judge them wrongly.

R223 You can be a Royal AND dress well.

It's not mutually exclusive, you nasty homophobic piece of shit.

R223 - I judge what I see in front of me and state my opinion. Thank you.

[QUOTE] Eugenia

Oh, DEAR!

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People don't wear dark colors to attract attention. You wear really bright colors like safety yellow or neon pink for attention.

Ermmm...not when you're the odd man out in a sea of bright colors, r228.

Well, Andy and I wanted to name her Annabel, but the Queen was against it, r226. This is what happens.

Waving to the paps at another person's wedding! She really is clueless, isn't she?

The bride and groom are both very cute. I like the bicycle getaway, it seems young and fresh.

Say something nice about Meghan - I like her makeup, and the hair seems fine. I actually like this silhouette better than the bateau necks, but the dress is ugly.

Have any of you bitches invited Markle to join DL?

I think the Club Monaco dress is ok. I like the leather belt. The hooker shoes are disgusting, her hair looks flammable and she and Ginger look tense and unhappy tohether.

The dress is lovely. I like the leather belt. I like how she will wear high heels as long as she can and it is nice that the Duke is so tall. Hair is lovely. Harry holding her hand in public is so endearing. The honeymoon continues.

The dress is so ugly and so inappropriate for an August wedding it's astounding.

The only thing nice you can say about it is that it didn't cost $6000 like that bedspread disaster she wore at that other wedding last month.

Third time to the altar does not seem like a charm for MM.

The bride and groom from today are quite cute and look so much younger and happier. The rickshaw was a fun touch.

It is, as usual, a fine dress that is quite inappropriate for the occasion. Seeing how it closes rather high up on the chest, I have no idea how that stupid bimbo didn’t know it was gaping open to reveal her SEXY LINGERIE. And with the world watching, wouldn’t you check yourself as most women do, before being photographed?

She seems determined to show the world her bras at every opportunity.

She is flat chested, I do not get it. The open mouthed poses are getting really repetitive.

Harry seems unhappy.

Harry seems pissed off, r239. She can't seem to "get it together" on any level.

He knows he made a mistake. Look at his brother or the friend who married today - they seem to have chosen well. If he knocks her up, fixing it will be a lot harder.

What of all the photos of the Queen yuckking it up with MM? Thought we were to think they were BFFs?

The bride and groom are adorable!

They truly are, hope they have a long and happy life together. The dress, the daisies, the grins, the rickshaw - Harry is jealous, methinks...

Can't Harry exchange her for a better one? Most wives come with a three-month trial period. Do they do things differently in England?

The thing about the women of the family, you might not like what they are wearing, but they are always dressed appropriately for the whatever the occasion. Always. Megs has gotten it wrong every single time, and the glimpse of lacy bra is inexcusable. That being said, the bride looked adorable- the dress, the flowers, the bicycle....fantastic! You just know it’s going to be a fun reception, and Megs will probably have a stick up her ass and act like she thinks she should instead of being natural.

I think the lacy bra peekaboo "lapse' is going to horrify a few in the BRF.

There's no way the bra was accidental.

You could also see the bra in the too-large armhole.

It is interesting that she keeps taking such big fashion risks.

She doesn't strike me as super confident. Most insecure people would have retreated back into the land of basic, super-safe outfits by now.

Why is the bra a bigger deal than Kate's skirt blowing up in the wind or when the paps shot Dianna with the sun behind her skirt became transparent.

R248 they aren't big risks. They just don't follow a very specific set of fussy old fashioned rules, that this board is obsessed with.

That line of clothing does come in petite sizing.

Did we ever figure out why she wears shoes that are far too big at times?

The top of the dress appears to be navy, not sure where the black belt/shoes/bag come in?

For the PP who tried on the dress, was it lined? Because you could see thought most of the skirt? Was the lining caught up?

Kate had her skirt blow up and added weights to her hems in response. Megs is like Groundhog Day with the peek a boo. That engagement dress was pretty on her but similar in being inappropriate for the occasion.

She clearly does not want to fit in by dressing in the style of most attendees. There has to be some Jessica/RL tie in.

235 I am going to pretend your comment was a parody. If not someone has been reading too much us weekly. Most of you sugars sound like a bunch of zombies.

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[quote]Did we ever figure out why she wears shoes that are far too big at times?

Seven is the sample size in women’s shoes, and according to the article at r135 she wears a five but sizes up to avoid blisters.....because there’s just no other way for her to wear shoes, apparently. No stretching; no gel pads; no having a cobbler soften the leather.

If it’s true that Jessica Mulroney has been making quiet trips in and out, I’m guessing she comes bearing gifts.

I know that they’re not allowed to accept freebies from designers, but are there any rules regarding gifts between friends?

That's true, I had totally forgotten when Kate's dress blew up.

Thanks, R254, knew there had to be some reason behind the shoes.

R253 - Wadrobe malfunction?

No, this is what comes of trying to please the peasants by wearing cheap clothes!

R242 - They are adorable, and what's more they look young and adorable, young and adorable the way Harry and Meghan didn't and can't because she isn't young. She just doesn't fit in here. I think part of her wardrobe hair problem is that she's trying to fit in with a young breezy crowd but look sophisticated at the same time. The hat she wore today looks like it belong on a woman in her forties at a funeral, placed on top of hair way too long and problematical for this particular woman and her "look", on top of what she thinks is a "breezy" look, on top of absurd shoes (high-heeled strappy sandal shoes is what you want with that skirt). As always, she's picked out several elements that might be fine on their own, but she is clueless about putting them together.

Everyone there looks like a soft kid next to Meghan. Harry looks like he knows it.

Do the BRF wear sandals? They have some weird rules.

I agree with a few others that the dress its self is fine. The belt is good too as it hides the drawstring tie at the waist, which would have made it look a lot cheaper. (lord knows, she needs no help in making something look cheap) That being said. I think its far to casual and dark of a look for a formal summer wedding. Her footwear, as per her custom is always off for the outfit. the v-neck is a good look for her, however it exposing her bra, is just another day for the Duchess. The hat, would have better been left for another occasion/outfit. The pieces on their own are fine, and its about time she wear more reasonably priced dresses. Im waiting for the day she actually gets everything right, looks and occasion wise. That will be a bigger shock to me than a pregnancy, yachting, or divorce scandal.

R259 - Princess Margaret almost always wore sling-back open-toed dress shoes.

BREAKING:

Meghan Markle 'is planning to fly to the US and reunite with her estranged father Thomas in secret within weeks' for the pair's first meeting since he missed her wedding

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DM reporting that MM is flying to the U.S. to heal family rift.

"Meghan Markle and her father are planning to reunite in secret in the US later this month, friends of the Duchess have reported. A source claims that Meghan will take a solo trip home to America later this month to see her estranged father Thomas Markle, according to the Mirror.

The 74-year-old former lighting director is said to be 'delighted' about the potential visit from Meghan, and is 'keeping two dates free at the end of the month'.

The meeting would be the first time the former actress has seen her reclusive father in several months after he pulled out of her wedding to Prince Harry in May, citing health concerns.

R262 - Carrying a large cheque drawn on an unnamed account in Coutts

Not linking to article, r263. Just plays a video.

Meggy, its hardly a secret, when ye olde towne crier (AKA The Daily Mail) screeches it out to everyone.

I mean, really, would anyone close to her leak such a thing, if this is supposed to be secret and private and away from the prying eyes of the papparazzi?!

Unless, of course, it's not supposed to be secret and private and away from the prying eyes of the papparazzi, and the leak is deliberate so everyone will know she isn't Hard-Hearted Hannah.

I for one can't wait to see what bra and panties she chooses for the happy reunion! Might I suggest:

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Sources says Harry will be traveling "undercover"

Let us not forget that this is the same person who wore ripped jeans for her first unofficial appearance with Harry. The signs were all there we just didn’t see them....

Do you have a link, R272?

R261 you’re right and I think the contrast with MeAgain is even greater because Margaret being short wore well fitted shoes with a smallish heel so she wasn’t teetering along on tip toe with a six inch heel on feet that were only maybe 9 inches long. Shoe height must be proportionate to the length of the foot, if you’re small you just can’t wear high heels. That’s why MeAgain is always floundering around gripping on to Harry like a limpet, she can’t walk in the hooker heels.

R273- it was at the Invictus games.

Sloppy and too big of a shirt, check. Yep, looks familiar.

MM looked pretty at the wedding, but the dress seemed a bit off. It didn't look right for the occasion and season.

MM looks happy considering that her father spent most of July doing ill-advised interviews about her and the Royal Family.

She's simply over the moon about the paparazzi attention!!

I sense an Oprah Intervention.

This bugs me every time I see her ... I wonder who she is trying to imitate, as her whole demeanor is so artificial. The best I can come up with is Amal-Angelina with a bit of Diana thrown in when she gives the caring/compassionate smile.

The groom at this wedding was just 30, his bride 27, ten years younger than Meghan. Harry is 33. The groom's older brother, a friend of William's, is 35.

The bride's girlish youthfulness was framed by her delightfully wood-nymph-style form-fitting lace dress and flower sprinkled veil, with her bouquet of wildflowers.

The truth is, Meghan stuck out like a sore thumb in this crowd, wearing dark clothes, a heavy hat, and looking very much the hard older woman. She reminds me of Fran Dodsworth pursuing poor young Kurt Von Obersdorf till his mother sets her straight.

"Hev you thought how leetle heppiness would be yours as the old wife of a young man?"

She's 40 if she's a day.

R282 - "Says she's 18, bet she's nineteen!"

Was the lack of good fit with his life and social circle missed due to the long distance?

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I'm sorry but as a woman I think flashing a bra is completely different from a gust of wind lifting a skirt. It is easy to prevent the former but buttoning your shirt. The latter is an accident that is hard to foresee. I have no sympathy anymore for Meghan.

"One of her better looks" is still a whole lot of suck, R2.

Someone on Tumblr claims to work for Club Monaco and says it's a fall to winter transitional piece for WORK, not intended for a wedding, summer or otherwise. And the top is black.

Other tumblr posts noted that Megs display of her lacy bra had to be on purpose, since it was so cliche - "glimpse of black lacy bra!" when usually she goes without a bra. Now the wind is being blamed, but if it was windy, the only thing the wind affected was her top. Her skirt isn't moving and neither is anyone's hair.

It would be a perfectly fine dress for some boring ass royal engagement but a big NO for a wedding, much less a big British aristo affair.

The RAF ceremony dress was BLACK. The designer was on twitter calling it black. Meghan's PR and some tabloids both photoshopped it blue and claimed it was dark blue to avert criticism. It was black.

The top of her dress today was also black, as were her shoes.

There was a woman someone on social media knew who was responsible for Meghan's hair when she was on Suits. Suits didn't want it as straight as it was made to be, but there was no way to achieve the in -between texture they would have preferred.

These days it does not look as if she is chemically straightened. It looks like she has a straight up weave. Braid the hair, then sew long straight hair into the braides. You can kind of tell from the temples where you can see her real hair, and the hair on the temples disappears behind the weave, even when her hair isn't behind her ears.

it's no win for women of color who are expected to have or want the long wavy look when it's not their natural texture. It's either chemicals, which are terribly damaging in the long run, or a weave, which I understand is just plain itchy no matter how many products and techniques are invented to make it more comfortable.

Good Hair ft. Chris Rock- HD Official Trailer

From what I've seen from photos of teen-age Kate - high school and early St. Andrews, her hair is not only thick, it's curly/wavy as well. Almost all the famous heads of hair started with curly hair. Jennifer Aniston's hair is naturally curly, which is why the "Rachel" had more body and texture on her than Courtney Cox's did (Cox had the same damn hair cut the same season). Farrah Fawcett's hair was naturally curly. Terry Hatcher's glossy bog on that Superman show she did with Dean Cain is because her hair is curly. When straight hair gets a blow out, I think techniques are used to give it body. Curly hair when blown out naturally has body - a round brush is used, but it's springy on its own. I think Kate's hair is probably a nightmare because of all the blow outs and the de-frizzing (curly and wavy hair frizzes, just how it is) needed to sort it into her super polished official look. I don't think she gets keratin treatments to straighten it.

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What the hell are you guys talking about?

It is not going well.

You would think that she would feel the breeze on her breast and notice that she needed to button up, but she is grinning away in that Bill Clinton mouth hanging open way.

I assume that she thinks that the dark colors are sophisticated and that they make her stand out.

It is her THIRD marriage, WHAT was Harry thinking?!

The FU about the designers is funny. Melania looked very nice in VB dress for day in UK.

How do we think Jessica is making $ off all this RL stuff?

So if it's a weave, that explains Harry and Meghan's over-reaction to the Irish toddler touching her hair.

That company has a line of petites, what she is wearing is not petite sizing. There is too much fabric and you can even see her bra through the arm hole, it is too big.

How is Jessica (and perhaps Megs) benefiting from her wearing too large (sample?) clothing and shoes with visible spacing?

R291, my hair straightens just fine with a flat iron and no chemicals. Rolling

Give it a rest, r299.

People were saying that Meghan will never talk to her father again because he will go straight to the tabloids. I don’t see how she has any room to complain considering she does the same damn thing, leaking to the press through “sources”

That sudden visit to her Dad announcement on her birthday was either totally made up by the media, or planted by her nutty step-sister or else fed to the meda by MeAgaIn herself as a way to placate an irate father knowng she has no intention of ever seeing him.

I think this is what the Queen or Palace came up with, as they were supposed trying to deal with it (i.e., acting like a human being and being polite and kind to your relatives, not having sordid feuds in public.)

Meghan used to show off her legs constantly on her instagram. She wore "dress shorts" and high heels. A scene in bed on Suits had one of her legs sticking out from the hip on down. She did photoshoots that were all legs. She wore several micro-minis on the red carpet.

When she had better hair, make-up, and professionals advising her, she could turn the legs into an asset. They are very long, proportionately. The Suits people (whom I assume advised her on her red carpet looks), knew how to work with her torso. Yes, she was skinny and flat chested, but they were giving her that petite model look - small boobs, but high set and perky under nicely straight shoulders, small perky ass that also sat high, and long legs. At least that's how they made her look, and it's a look that should work. I am assuming they used body make-up and lighting contour when photo shoots showed off the length of her legs.

She was dressed well by Suits for so long, and had decent enough red carpet style, I figured it would be a snap to translate what she knew into looks that were suitable for a royal. I figured she couldn't let go of her high heel fetish, nor her hair, but otherwise would get her act together. However, she doesn't seem to have retained a thing from what Suits taught her about what works on her figure - or how to enhance her figure.

I can always see what she's TRYING to do, and her priority is always "sexy". She has to take what she gets - I don't believe for a minute she's actually choosing for herself from look books - there have been enough items about how Jessica gets stuff and sends it along, and all kinds of arrangements are made for free stuff, but she can't pick and choose. It's what they send her. Her idea of sexy is a little rebellion in the style, in her mind, IMO. That's why the boat neck. Her boat necks are always just at the very edge of the shoulder or slightly off - so she thinks she's being both "Royal" and "Sexy". When she works that angle she dresses like a soap opera version of royalty. The long skirt thing she's working I think is just trend, and she's getting a lot of trend from designers. She just puts it on, it's not tailored to her.

R299 Meghan's hair is not your hair. I hope your hair doesn't look as Meghan's did when it became disarrayed during her appearance with the queen and we could see tracks.

Other times it's a flat out wig - the synthetic stuff is unbelievable. She wore something like that at Trouping.

Her hair looked great in the Irish tour even though the clothes were dire. I read that when she gets stuff from certain labels part of the deal is hair and make-up to make sure she's styled consistently with what the label wants. It's the first time other than the wedding she appeared to have professional help with the make-up and hair.

She needs to get a real stylist. I understand wanting to hire your trusted friend, but this is getting ridiculous. She also needs to accept that she will likely be the oldest friend of the bunch if she hangs out with Harry and his friends. There is no point in trying to look young when you are racing to 40.

MM looked like she weighed more on Suits. This makes a big difference. She no longer "fills out" her clothing. Also, she can't wear sexy office wear everywhere.

MM is very beautiful and would benefit from a more sophisticated stylist.

She was curvier in Suits but who knows, they could have padded her costumes, or used digital effects or lighting to get the look they needed. Her character always looked so smartly dressed in her pencil skirts and white blouses, and her hair was less messy looking.

Hahaha, 2 days ago Harry said there is too much hysteria around MeAgain and today MeAgain's friends leak she gonna meet daddy in a "secret" meeting in the US.

Duh, if she really wanted things to get better with her father she would have leak AFTER the meeting, not before.

You can be sure the Queen or Charles forced her to meet daddy and she's sabotaging it purposefully.

Tom sr has made it clear that he is not going to stop complaining to the press until his daughter resumes contact with him. I am sure MM was told quite plainly that they expected her to deal with this. He never sought any publicity or money while they were engaged, he doesn't have a hate agenda like her sister or brother. I think all he wants is to be treated with some respect and consideration.

Haha! All the Sugars think it's Tom who leaked the info. But the newspapers clearly state that the leak comes from her side.

It's hilarious and quite pathetic.

Sparkle is going to be sweating her ass off in Australia in the black clothes.

She may surprise us and wear white.

I wonder how the Aussies will react to MM. They're not big fans of the BRF to begin with. I think there will be a lot of comparisons to Mary of Denmark.

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Is CP Mary popular in her native Australia?

Jessica Mulroney is working on Meg's big fashion statement arrival dress in Australia.

Meghan Markle is a Leo, this explains so much. I say this as a Leo btw.

All the "look at me and how amazing I am" bs, doing everything for attention.. typical Leo behavior.

dear god, if I were a royal, I'd wear Lycra bicycle shorts underneath every dress. Chains/weights in the hem just don't cut it.

Not sure which 'Royal Handbook' they gave here but it must have been from the 1970's.

There is no requirement to always 'wear stockings' or longer dresses unless The queen will be attending the same event, same with 'skirt length' and 'wearing hats'.

Diana tore up that rulebook and shat on it.

Yes, but without certain rules, they can end up looking pretty skanky, with blue nail polish, nasty looking bare legs, visible tattoos, and god knows what else. Diana always looked absolutely fine.

R313 and R315 - Mary of Denmark is the poster girl for a commoner's successful transition to top tier royalty. As Crown Princess of Denmark she outranks Meghan by a long shot and moreover had to master Danish as a new language as an adult (it's always harder mastering new languages as an adult, and Danish is hard to pronounce for native English speakers). She has always worn appropriate clothes, now speaks Danish fluently, and "hit the ground running" after her marriage far more than either Kate or Meghan did. Even when pregnant with her first child, she carried out a very full programme until quite close to the birth. She is well liked in Denmark for how she adapted to her new country (she WAS grandfathered in as a Danish citizen and joined the Danish Lutheran Church). In fact, she works harder than her husband, who like William had a reputation for laziness, ambivalence toward his position, drinks too much, and has probably been routinely unfaithful to his wife. Fortunately, she appears to adore being a princess, so she'll rock no boats.

What was clear was that Mary was determined to be a success as the future Queen Consort of Denmark rather than to feed her fantasies about herself. She also has a reputation for being a very good mother, somewhat like Kate. But she works much harder than Kate. So far as the Aussies care about royalty at all, they remain rather proud of Mary.

Her mother in law during their first year of marriage said of Mary, as they had already been sent out on an extensive tour of Australia and New Zealand with an exhausting schedule of charity, hospital, school, and evening events, "Mary is doing a great job. I am a proud mother-in-law."

Rather different from all Megs' shouting about her feminist activism, hitting the ground running, etc.

I hated that Chris Rock documentary Good Hair. Typical for him, he talked about it, interviewed women and men about their experiences, but ended up making fun. He didn't talk about everything women went though and go through if their hair doesn't conform.

Wasn't Mary a successful real estate agent before she married, r322?

R322, Mary of Denmark is the equivalent of Camilla, not Kate. Camilla works pretty hard.

Kate is raising her family. I don't know the history of Denmark, but in the BRF the home front, IMO, is a hell of a lot more important than "engagements", which, as "The Windsors" comedy says, involves showing up, unveiling a plaque, and being driven home in a Jag.

What engagements really are is for the physical body of the royal to be displayed for everyone to gape at. The event itself is just a pretext. That's why some media and people think it's Kate's "job" to put Charlotte on display more. Let's be real. The work isn't work. It's a pretext to act like an animal in a touring zoo. That's the gig.

However. The success of Kate and William's marriage and the stability of their kids is more crucial than any jobs Kate might do. Queen Mum and George raised a good queen in Elizabeth, but a spoiled alcoholic train wreck in Margaret. Elizabeth and Phillip had a stable marriage but the two eldest sons were train wrecks in their personal lives, Anne, while discreet and a good mom/grandmom, was divorced once and estranged from her current husband (everybody knows she and Tim Laurence are name only) and most people think Prince Edward needed to marry somebody, so they got Sophie. Charles and Diana are infamous. William ended up in the bosom of the Middleton family, which IMO is absolutely key to how he's put himself on the straight and narrow. Harry is a fucking train wreck.

Everybody else can go ahead and "work". Eugenie, at least, appears to be stepping up. Harry, as ever, is at the very bottom of the totals on the Court Circular. If George, Charlotte and Louis grow up to be relatively stable, sane, decent human beings and royals, that is more important for the longevity of the monarchy than Kate's "totals" each year.

For a professional comic, I actually though Chris Rock succesfully pulled off a very sympathetic/quasi-humourous take on the touchy subject of female black hair challenges, r323. I thought he was culturally sensitive to the situation given his experience with his then wife and daughters. What I posted was just the trailer.

Maybe if you watched the entire documentary, you'd change your opinion.

Harry is a total train wreck, r325. In your opinion, how on earth did he manage to get away with marrying Meghan Markle? How did this intense 14 or so month long courtship manage to slip by the Palace's supposed rigourous vetting process?

R327 Tantrums and weak Queen.

She did give a pass to all her children, why not Harry?

What do you see as the best possible versus worst possible outcome for Harry Wales, r328 ? Or better stated, most probable outcome for him?

Was it an intense 14 month courtship? I don't know how long they were seeing each other but it seems it was episodic. A week here and there. Maybe the palace assumed she'd opt for her acting career like Cressida or decide she didn't want to join the circus like Chelsey so they held off. Once Harry sprung the engagement though, it was too late.

Best possible for Harry - be more like William, imo.

R322 - Yes, she was. Her colleagues spoke very highly of her work ethic, and she had a dual B.A. degree in laws and commerce. She and Frederik dated for four years before his mother gave her consent, and the last of those four years were spent quietly in Copenhagen so she could get a reasonable sense of life in Denmark. She was 32 when they married, a more or less not-too-young-not-too-old point to make such a huge transition. The Danes took to her from the start. The contrast between this and Harry's rush into marriage after a similar transcontinental relationship, but without the appropriate caution and time, could not be greater. Certainly, as sixth in line rather than Crown Prince, as Frederik was, the caution perhaps was viewed as less critical with Harry - and the lazy BRF just left Harry to his fate in the name of non-interference, and fear of being labelled as racist if they refused to let him marry Meghan.

It doesn't seem to have occurred to the BRF that that caution was important on a personal as well as royal level. Had I been Charles and the Queen, I would have insisted that Meghan move to Britain and live there privately for at least a year before going forward with the engagement, and said, "Too bad," when Harry pointed out the issue of Meghan's age and childbearing.

Frederik and Mary were barely even seen together in Copenhagen in the year before their engagement, and Mary had an ordinary job there during that year, functioning as much as possible as an ordinary citizen in Denmark.

Meghan Markle has never behaved as anything but the Cat That Got At The Cream in her relationship with Harry, and before their engagement, her only contact with Britain was staying with Harry in Kensington Cottage and enjoying the fleshpots of central London. The idea of moving there a year later and taking on some innocuous job to get to know the real place and its people was a nonstarter. The only thing Meghan Markle is interested in is wealth, A-list status, and being part of the upper classes of a country she barely knows and probably does not remotely understand.

Which might be true of her idiot husband, as well.

R327 and R328 - Agreed.

There were constant photos of Harry slipping out of cars with security in the dark in Toronto to visit Meghan, r330. Meghan kept posting teenage-like images on her blog of their identical bracelets and "H' necklace. This was a fast moving train.

R329 The best for everyone (besides haters) is them settling down.

Meghan learning to hide her famewhore side and Harry gaining some brain cells. Two kids, a dog and some useless work so MediaMeg is happy and Harry doesn't have to work too much . I know Harry's fans would not be happy but the BRF doesn't need more drama.

The worst, an ugly divorce after two kids. Meghan being the sixth wife of Rupert Murdoch and Harry finding a Vegas stripper to marry.

Tbh, I think the second version is most likely.

Unfortunately, Harry's wife does not have a strong family structure like Kate to help these two, r331. Harry will have to rely on William and Kate as sounding boards.

With regard to 'weak Queen' comment, r328 - Where is Charles in all this? Is he not a role model for Harry to consult and confide in?

R335 I don't think Charles is a role model for his sons.

They may like him well enough, but that's all.

R329 - Not R328 here, but for what it's worth: best outcome for Harry is that William and Kate really step it up when her maternity leave is over to ensure that Harry and Meghan don't assume central positions in the public eye, and people remember who the long game is going to. This will allow Harry to keep his wife and family clearly in the auxilliary frame, and lessen the fallout from Meghan's narcissistic persona. A baby would help enormously. Harry is unlikely to remain faithful for long given his history, so best case scenario, they bumble along, work it out, she won't be dragged out of her position without splinters from the porch railings under her fingernails, and the kids and a bit of work will give Harry reasonable stability.

Worst case scenario: Harry is miserable at his royal work and having Meghan doesn't offset that as much as he'd hoped, Meghan's narcissism and increasing disfavour with the public for refusing to wear British fashion also wear at him, and rumours of rampant infidelity begin to surface, and Harry starts dreaming about either divorce or taking himself out of the line of succession - or both.

Worst case scenario doubtful - but it would certainly be what the BRF deserve for not showing some spine when they realised whom he was serious about. Of course, it would not be what any children of the marriage deserve, they are innocent parties.

But I'm a great believer in repeats of family history, and it's clear that isn't going to happen with William and Kate, much more likely to be Harry.

It's true that whatever one might think of the Middletons, they've provided Kate with a strong sense of family--William as well. Evidently he gravitated to that family immediately and I wouldn't be surprised if the family were a huge factor in his decision to marry Kate. Whether or not he loves his father, neither Charles nor Diana gave their sons a lot of security as parents.

R334 - you beat me to it, but totally agree.

R337

R338 - Charles may suffer from a great deal of guilt where his own first marriage was concerned, and feel that he is no one to tell Harry not to marry someone he loves who isn't quite ideal, because isn't that what happened to Charles when he let Camilla go because of her "unsuitability", and then "settled" for someone who seemed "ideal"? I can quite understand Charles feeling between a rock and a hard place on this.

But Charles should have gone privately to the Queen and said, "Look, I think this has all the earmarks of a future catastrophe - my hands are tied here because of my history, PLEASE: insist that she move here and take up her own private residence and reside here quietly for a year so they can be sure. If the boy threatens to take himself out, well, maybe he really would be happier living a private life, but back me up here, will you?"

Alas -they don't have that kind of relationship - the Queen avoids such intimacies even with her nearest and dearest, except for her husband, the only human, apart from her sister, that she has ever really had an emotionally intimate relationship with.

R325 - I think we're in agreement, if you read my full post - it is in rank that I said that Mary and Kate were equivalent, both Crown Princesses and future Queen Consorts, not in work ethic, as I thought my post made clear.

Fair points and shrewd observations on the rest of your posts, though, especially in terms of the importance of William's and Kate's successful marriage.

R322

I think her dad is pissed off that he was used by her - first for money as long as it lasted, and then to paint a portrait of an actress from a "woke" family. She was praising him to the skies on instagram as short a time as two years ago. She used him for image building, but when she got engaged the reality of her ghosting him became obvious.

There is nothing but bullshit when KP reports on her. The entire wedding program that was reported, where Tom Sr. was "expected", omitted that Meghan and KP knew he couldn't afford the trip without help, and no help was offered. So there was a key omission.

Agree, R334 but do not think it will last for 2 kids.

The way he looks and acts they would have split by not except for the just getting married part.

He may be cheating already.

She should hire her stylist from Suits, at least she looked decent.

And in return for ghosting him, r341, Thomas Markle has vented. Pa Markle knows all about his daughter. I'm actually surprised he hasn't unloaded a bit more about her in the media. Harry - Ginger Dimwit - has to be asking himself some questons about his new wife for her family to dump on her, especially her father.

At the very least Harry should have wisened up, manned up months ago and managed this potentially explosive in-law situation - people he has not even ever met might have been his first clue.

What's pretty obvious to me is that while William and Kate always come across as "a team", comfortable together, supporting each other, but not needing to be clinging and hand holding but still retaining their independence, Harry and Sparkle display no such vibe.

Harry, except when he's alone, appears to sort of disappear, there to hold her hand and act as a pawn for her dewy eyed glances. When they appear together, I don't sense any level of independence. As if any enjoyment he might have had if he had been there on his own is stifled now because she is dragging on his arm.

Rather a grim scenario.

If Harry did take himself out, would that mean the royal accomodations at KP would be over and he'd need to find (and fund) his own residence?

It wasn't until Harry and Markle married, and the OTT talk of how she was marrying someone fabulously wealthy, that I really researched the financial situation of the BRF who are not likely to become king or queen. What these people have in their own right is not much compared to some of their fabulously wealthy friends, particularly as to actual cash. The perks are seemingly tremendous, but there's not a lot of choice. If you're going to be provided for by the queen, it's going to be an existing royal property or something that may as well be (I think Princess Anne's kids all live "with her" at the estate QEII purchased for Anne).

The yachts, the villas, the African glamping - a lot of that is by invitation from aristo friends and connections who have associated with the RF for generations. If there is a breach in the relationship or a spouse isn't liked, the invitations don't happen and the royal is consigned to the kind of boring royal property in control of the Sovereign.

If they want to make enough money to compete with their wealthy friends, then they have to go below the radar, like Andrew did. Did the queen give Andrew the money for his sixteen million house in the Alps? Did he purchase it from his allowance or the income from his 1/6th share of the QMother's 10 million cash estate which was divided among her grandchildren after taxes? He's grifting.

Or Viscount Lynley, who sold his mum Princess Margaret's house in Mustique and used the proceeds to buy and renovate his house in Provence (where Kate and Will were photographed bare assed on the balcony). In addition he has HIS 1/6th of the Queen Mum's 10 M after taxes, and his wife is aristocracy. I'm sure she's not filthy rich in terms of income, but bet she has enough of a trust fund to keep the wolf from the door.

I think Diana set the popular notion of how a new member of the royal family dresses, the jewels they were, the lifestyle. But she was married to the existing heir to the throne - Charles was in the exact same position then as he is now. Duchy of Cornwall income - the only position other than sovereign that makes a BR filthy rich. After she got her 20 million divorce settlement, that went into trust and she was stuck at KP like any lesser royal without access to that kind of money. That's when she started hanging with wealthy Euro-trash.

R345 I agree but Meghan is more interested in the spotlight and fame than the money itself.

She won't allow Harry to resign his position in the family.

That financial structure you descrbe, r345 rcould be why Harry couldn't attract the upper echelon types, r345. That plus his "personality" was not enough to lure the types he wanted. So, he got grasping, clingy, grifting Meghan who cleverly listened to his woes and saw a golden opportunity.

Good descrption, r344. Harry's light seems to fade out when Meghan is there. I mean his inner vibrancy - he becomes the 'servant" catering to her emotional needs. You see this over and over again in photos. He's willingly and cluelessly enablng this, too.

R344, it is reported, and I believe it, that Meghan has her own PR. How that's paid for, I don't know. There was that bizarre statement at the time of the engagement that she was leaving acting but retaining representation to filter "offers" and opportunities. WTF? There was also a retraction by some publication that, in the retraction, reported that they'd received a correction from MM's own lawyers (not the KP lawyers or BRF lawyers). If Meghan, as an individual, has her own PR, all the stories about her will feature her. That's how it is at the moment. Harry is a prop. The rags that focus on Meghan are celebrity focused and get most of their stuff from PR, leaks, paid sources, etc. They need content. They're getting a constant funnel from Meghan's PR it seems, it tacks and adjusts to the prevailing story and contradicts itself all the time if something is going negative.

Her game plan is so strange. She is spending (I think it's all free, and the price of the stuff is the label over-valuing the outfit and blowing its own horn) - a pretend fortune on clothes, but she looks terrible most of the time, nothing matches or goes together, and on top of her outfit often being weird or inappropriate for the occasion, it appears as if she barely took time getting herself together. She does look as if she spends a lot of time on that contour makeup, but then doesn't blend it past her jawline, and the glue on her false eyelashes shows.

Many people think Harry is a stepping stone. But if she really wants to be a Diana, particularly a global celebrity post-divorce Diana, shouldn't she dress well, not just expensively or pretend-expensively, look her best? Didn't she notice the difference between her hair and make-up in Ireland and how it looks at other times? She's manipulative enough - surely she would work out a way to get make-up styling and hair styling on a consistent basis, free.

I think her fans who were thrilled she was joining the royal family - many of them wanted to see a woman of color being like Kate. Not EXACTLY like Kate - but, OMG, she's a duchess and a member of the royal family, and she's wearing those royal type clothes, acting in royal way - tears in my eyes that a woman of color is in this position! They wanted to see the centuries old traditions embodied by a woman of color. That's the achievement. Seems to defeat the purpose to "rebel", dress sloppily, not look as if you fit in (if there's one thing her fans wanted to thrill to, it was seeing her fit in!).

If she wants to leverage this celebrity and position to hook a billionaire, a) she better get a move on, and b) shouldn't she look better?

R345 - Viscount Lynley's wife is not aristocracy - she is, however, extremely rich society. Her father founded the Duty Free Shops, he's a billionaire in his own right. So Lynley had nothing to worry about re money from the BRF. Harry, however, is in rather a different situation. He is dependent on his rich friends for perks, his father and the Queen for handouts and an eventual second inheritance, and of course he and his wife will pay nothing for their eventual huge apartments in Kensington Palace. William as the future Duke of Cornwall and Prince of Wales has expectations that Harry doesn't.

Most of her non-black fans were Kate's haters long before they knew about H&M.

Anyone would have been better than Kate, so they had no problem embracing Meghan whatever her faults and famewhoring.

+ She's mixed, which is a serious advantage with the SJW type.

My speculative conspiracy theory attempt to connect the dots-

Remember when Harry became best buds with the ex prez and his wife? Remember that phone drop video with the Q? Then there was that photo with the two fingers in his jacket. Pretty clear the BRF was cozying up to the progressive left or the left was cozying up to them although this may have been more for show. It might have all been pr to make them more “modern”. Plus, they were likely unprepared for the seismic political shift across the pond. At the time, they thought they were on the winning team.

Concurrently, the UK has become more of a train wreck as well. All sorts of attacks, the incident on the bridge, Manchester, Brexit. Very unsafe. Old UK and possibly the BRF are symbols of tradition, wealth and aristocracy. Something that is detested by the left.

Harry was looking for mum 2.0. He is lonely, depressed and likely still suffering from trauma from losing his mum. Plus he had lived in a bubble and is profoundly naive as well as full of bitterness at whomever or whatever he blames for the loss of his mum. He is stuck in adolescent rebellion against authority. He envied his brother and it was always clear that he liked Kate a lot.

Suddenly, randomly and just by miraculous chance there is the blind date intro to ms m . Harry thinks he has found his soulmate. He is too naive to realize that while his mum really was a true humanitarian, this is all Hollywood fakery and show. Also, she likely love bombed him and played his weaknesses like a fiddle in true narcissist fashion. My guess is this was no random blind date.

.The powers that be approved of the wedding because they thought it would make the monarchy appear inclusive and modern. Maybe it might even keep the unwashed from storming the Bastille. My guess is the Q was pushed into approving and Phil was too old to really understand. I’m not convinced that family really has much power. Harry, just like mum, had become the lamb to the slaughter but this time it was not from the BRF, but a power far bigger.

He finally realized the ruse but by now it was too late. Ms m was already busy publicizing it and Harry didn’t want another failed romance. Plus he was getting old and couldn’t seem to hold onto a relationship. Maybe it will get better, he thought.

He seemed uncomfortable in those engagement interviews but that horrid wedding was almost more than he could bear. He realized his adolescent rebellion had resulted in both political manipulation and in making him a laughing stock within his own social and family circle but it was too late.

I wonder if this whole drama with her family, missteps, hysteria, loose buttons etc isn’t all contrived as a method to get rid of her. Nothing is an accident. Perhaps they are paving the road back to LA with convenient excuses. I can’t imagine that there are not multiple meetings about what to do and whomever thought this was a good idea is long gone.

I actually feel sorry for Harry. He lost his beloved mum and now he is in a miserable situation. The powers that be really need to do something stat to help him.

By the way- I noticed yesterday both ms m and the former us prez share the same birthday. Creepy.

R351 That's a Hell of Conspiracy Theory you're got in your hands.

Mine is far more simple: he's dumb, she's an upstart and the BRF is adrift since decades thanks to the present Queen.

Thank you R349. In the article I read featuring Lynley's house (probably Vanity Fair), his wife's background was downplayed. All the emphasis was on the purchase and some of the renovation being made possible by selling Margaret's home in Mustique, which was his inheritance from his mother.

From what I can tell from looking at The Royal Forums, the cunts that post there have had their knives out for CP Mary for years. They even nicknamed her YRMA (jumble of her name) for some reason I guess just to make fun of her. She always looks great in my opinion, I think she’ll make a fine queen consort.

This is fairly pointless trivia, but I just learned that in 1999, Meghan featured in the video for "1000 Oceans" by Tori Amos. She's the girl on the far left at the 0:36 mark. As a hardcore Tori fan, I would consider an appearance in one of her videos a much higher honour than marrying into the royal family.

R352, I think you have a point there.

Harry is equal parts dumb, spoiled and arrogant. He's been turned down a lot. His exes grew up and moved on, he did not, so he spent too much time with the trashy rich, and became fascinated by common celebrity, rather than appreciating actual status (which he does throw around no matter how he decries it). I think Meghan was the only woman he officially dated who was truly not in a position to say no once she'd gotten herself "in". Everyone else had money and options. She was aging out of her profession (she's a truly terrible actress) with no money. Just a limited circle of connections, freebies and perks, and, at the time, an income that could support her but definitely not secure her (her Suits salary) past her quitting the show.

But, we have the queen. For all she is praised for tireless dedication to duty, she has tolerated way too much from her family, enabled the shit out of them. Thanks to the queen, Harry has military honors that should embarrass him in front of officers who have actually earned their rank (which includes passing tests Harry refused to take). Thanks to the queen, Andrew was given plenty of cover for his shady dealings, honor and position. When one position would fade, he'd get another that was essentially the same thing. She's enabled a family of opportunists and grifters.

I think what Meghan is doing is exposing the Emporer's new clothes. For years, and against a lot of evidence, it was "The queen insists on this" or "The queen insists on that." The reality is if a royal or spouse of a royal ignores what it is supposed the queen wants, nothing happens. It's all a sham. When it gets to be too much of a mess, the queen covers it up by elevating the status of the miscreant. It IS her fault. She's in charge. She has a huge family, and she lets them get away with everything.

P.S. - I also suspect Harry has socialized his entire life only with men and women who have money. He is not street smart, despite his army stint. Any self-made man would have done the math with Meghan and know this was a gold digger - her age, her low status, low paying, basic cable TV job, her lack of real family circle or genuine friendship circle, and seen a woman who was grasping for an opportunity because she had no fallback. Instead I bet he had no idea what she was paid on Suits, thought her status was on par with the Mulroneys, and thought the whole freebie, comped, social media routine was a fun game and not a means to survive/advance. Didn't recognize her celebrity humanitarian posing as the agent-enabled, photo opportunity self-promotion (and no more) that it was, because he probably tells himself when he does the same thing, he's doing real good.

This is someone basic hockey stars in Canada knew better than to fall for, but Harry did.

I'll take both theories posited, r352 and r351 and note:

1. Years ago, I read (perhaps in a Princess Diana biography), that the Queen had told her that there were "powers' greater than the Queen that she herself had no control over and these powers were to be feared (my words as I can't recall verbatim)

2. Yesterday's sudden media "Breaking News" story that Meghan Markle will be visiting her father at the end of the month was published late Sunday around midnght UK time. An odd time for a supposed grand, positive newstory for Harry and Meghan. Where did this leak, or anouncement come from? End Result is Meghan is supposedly heading to L.A. ALONE to "deal with her family drama."

3. I don't know when Harry had his AHA! moment with regard to Meghan Markle but that sour, deflated puss on his face on Buckingham Palace balcony kind of telegraphed "I'm Stuck! Help!"

4. As r352 said, the BRF is adrift and has been over decades. Add to this Harry's lack of maturity, intellect, absence of strong role models and this is what you end up with. Meghan is street-wise and Harry is the 'boy in the bubble' = no competition.

Okay, somehow I missed the courtship. I'd barely heard of her until the Harry statement to the press. So they had a top secret courtship with secretive trans Atlantic flights. Well, that's exactly the same kind of rush you get when you're having an affair. Which usually fizzles out in the light of day.

At any rate, it happened and now it's a shambles. What MM needs to do is make peace with her father, whatever it takes. Money, apologies, lies, copious tears. He'll quiet down then. Forget the half sister. Once her father is on board, she'll be cut off from the stream of grievances; no fresh gossip means the press will ignore her.

Second--and easiest, she has to switch over to British designers. Some big splashy event like an evening gala and then every day clothes.

Third, get pregnant. She can accomplish all this within the next month or two and boom. The press will be back to carping at how lazy Kate is while Meghan is basking in the glow of maternity.

Easy peasy and it doesn't require anything on Harry's part except a sperm donation.

The only clever thing to do for them is keeping a low profile for few months and schedule intense Duchess and Duke lessons.

Meghan sucks at it cause Harry has no idea about what he's doing. She refers to him all the time but contrary to William he barely understands what he has to do, so guiding his American peasant wife.... Forget about it.

But they're both too arrogant to agree they need help for dressing or dealing with the press.

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[R351] can be Ryan Murphey’s next series. “The Marrying of Prince Harry”. Indya or MJ could play Megs and Billy Porter would make an absolutely exquisite reverend for the wedding.

Harry's statement to the press was a publicity stunt. First off, hardly anybody knew they were dating, so how were reporters, tabloids, etc. abusing her and her mother. That statement was the first time I'd ever heard of Meghan Markle, and I read all the trash and tabloids. Second, they claimed the police had to intervene when media broke into her house, hid in her garage, etc. The Toronto police reported no such events ever occurred.

That image of "Harry" sneaking into Meghan's house is widely believed to be Markus Anderson (Tall, bearded, similar enough to Harry in silhouette to pass) or a total on purpose pap set up. Meghan published a photo of Markus Anderson on her instagram where the upper face was cut off by the frame and it was only the lower face and the torso, angled, wearing a "Golden Girls" t-shirt. The caption was "He wears it well" and many people thought it was Harry cause the guy was tall and bearded. It was Markus - she had used an orange filter which you can see all over the image, not just on the hair.

Neither Harry nor Meghan can keep their stories or timelines straight.

In line wth your theory about the Queen enabling, covering and even rewarding the dysfunction in her family, r356 - but keepiing her machinations under the radar, Princess Eugenie declared in her interview with Vogue this week, that she got into "trouble" for posting a photo of Prince Andrew on her instagram in a private area of the Palace -- where the public is never allowed.

Why would a simple photo of Andrew, in his garb, in an area of the Palace forbidden to be viewed by the public create "trouble" for Princess Eugenie??

I'm not sure why. It doesn't show the servants facing the wall as he walks by...

Harry may end up in a huge Kensington apartment but unless I were a Kate - ultra family oriented, needing not much in my life other than to be with my husband and children AND enjoying the convenience of a close, supportive, locally-based family of origin with youngish, rich, helpful parents, I think KP would be suffocating. It's not even attractive. There have been a million photoshoots of the exterior and a few of the interior and it's depressing. The area is obviously prime real estate but feels like prison stuck in the area. Of course we are grading on a curve, but IMO it would be much better to have a nice private home in the same area and come and go. Harry grew up in Kensington P - imagine being stuck there with all of your relatives when you're middle-aged. I think when Harry bemoans his plight he is not comparing himself to regular people in even decent jobs, but all his rich friends who do whatever the fuck they please without ever getting into the media outside of Tatler, who can buy a house whereever and whose parents have more resources than are available to Harry. There's more choice among his friends.

Charles, and I guess William, eventually, has an actual nice home (Highgrove), the nicer palace (Clarence House - just passing it and KP, you can see CP is nicer) as well as other homes in England, plus Scotland and Wales. Harry isn't comparing himself to us, he's comparing himself to other members of his family and his rich friends. KP is a warehouse (Kate and William will come into more, have Amner Hall, and have full access to the Middleton home, not to mention their friends places).

I doubt that there is some big conspiracy. Harry was lonely and ready to settle down. His exes were not the women that he saw himself married to. Heterosexual men often have a wife "image" in their minds and try their best to find her. They will pass on perfectly acceptable women until they find "the one" as they have imagined her.

Harry likes black women. They interest him and he has a lot of respect for them. He has spent many days in Africa and the Caribbean so it should not surprise anyone that he chose a bride of African descent. It is very similar to white men who go to China to teach English and come home married to a Chinese woman. It happens all of the time. The BRF was going to get a black family member even if it wasn't MM.

MM grew up seeing her own mother struggle with bankruptcy and evictions. MM wanted a better life and worked hard for one, but at 34/35 and with a middling career knew that it was now or never.

Harry is set up with MM and they fall in love. She is the type of woman that he envisioned himself married to. He loves her so much that it doesn't matter to him that she is divorced and from a broken family. She makes him happier than he has ever been. She is beautiful, cunning, and knows how to close the deal.

Harry and MM are very popular. The public is pulling for them. Don't let these threads fool you. People love to see "love" affirmed. They are young and in love and most people want to see them happy.

MM isn't going to let this fail. She is far too shrewd for that. MM will deal with the rules, the media scrutiny, and the polo matches. She wanted in the history books and on that balcony too badly to let it slip through her hands. No one wants to be Fergie.

R364 The BRF keeps a facade of dignity (hum, whatever).

Basically, do all the BS you want but behind closed doors and no camera.

The Queen has no problem with her family's behavior, she only has a problem when it's in the Daily Fail .

[quote] schedule intense Duchess and Duke lessons.

I've no doubt that Sparkle has already had lessons, advice, suggestions, etc. Plenty of them. Over and over.

And if she hasn't, being a fame whore, she reads about herself and all the print about how she should be wearing British designers.

She knows all that. And SHE DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK.

If the RF was serious about insisting on this, they should (1) cut off wardrobe funds (2) stop shipments from other designers.

But of course, they won't do any such thing.

What some people forget, perhaps, is that there are a lot of people none of us know anything about who have a huge vested interest in the continuation of the Royal Family. They will not sit back and see it destroyed or damaged.

r368 - See r369.

I am no fan of Meghan, but I have noticed that on Tumblr, many posters conflate her arrival in the BRF as a left wing conspiracy (and frankly, I have never understood why SJW is a belittling term. Social justice is a good thing), and they drag in the Clintons whenever possible. You know, the Clintons, their cabal with Soros, the Obamas Evil, and the whole pedophilia thing that drives both families. One poster, in attacking Markle, kept equating the queen and "Our President" (capitalized like that) - meaning Trump. That Markle is a Clinton pawn put into the BRF to thwart the will of the people and social forces moving to restore "our culture" (read, WHITE).

It's really a pain in the ass to be enjoying reading Tumblr or datalounge deservedly mocking the ever loving shit out of Meghan Markle only to find you're in amongst a bunch of white supremacist, Clinton pedophilia conspiracy fans.

Meant, r367 - See r369.

R371 Hahaha, hilarious.

And a bit scary.

....or housekeepers picking up his "night time" rags FROM THE FLOOR, r365.

MM is not popular,, for the simple matter that she doesn't sell. You can't argue with indifference.

Harry's popularity is below what it was before his relationship.

Harry likes blonde women with big racks. He's just like his dad. Does he color outside the lines on occasion, yes, but he goes right back to built blonds. I also think he's bi, so he goes further outside the lines than just darker skin or skinnier women, but that's just me.

MM and Harry don't sell. This has not been good for Harry as all the publicity is about her, not him. He is just her prop, and the only time he gets positive press is a way that reflects back at her. Her pr narrative has him infantilized, which is not flattering.

Harry looked traumatized at the wedding, which was one of the most surreal events I've ever seen televised. Meghan was in a little bubble of her own where Harry barely registered.

If Meghan wants to make "this" work, what does "this" mean to her? Because so far she's a zero at dressing, behaving, connecting, befriending, impacting, or convincing anyone but sugars that Harry looks happy. *She* will make this work for so long as Harry is too proud to pull the plug, that's it.

Meghan didn't work hard at her acting - God knows. She worked hard at her networking, and her fucking people who could push her ahead. She worked hard at taking money from daddy until he had no more money to give, and taking gifts - like a car - from boyfriends. I don't know about the yachting or the other rumors. I know she got her first decent role after years of being a bit part unemployed actress after she finally married her producer husband. I'm curious about the 8 or so years they were together that preceded the marriage. Even while with him as a girlfriend and him working a decent amount he could only get her bit parts, and she sucked in them (ever see her Tostitos commercial which has her looking at a shelf of Tostitos while a voice that's presumably hers voices her thoughts? Painfully dead and bad.) She dumped her husband and hooked up with a well-connected, popular chef who got her in with the Soho crowd. She invested big in social media. which is the thing that really raised her profile (not Suits) and got her to Kruger Crown and the world of comped free trips while you pretend to be a do gooder. They couldn't do much with her and they put all the resources in the world into trying.

What's true is Suits wasn't going to run forever, she couldn't act, she was aging out of her only category (hot girl) and she was trying to position herself as an elite humanitarian something or other a la Amal or Angie (basically pr constructs) to hook a status man with big bucks while the clock was running down for her. I think she sees her marriage to Harry as a platform where she can get a man with real money.

At his absolutely well-intentioned, I think Harry was not in love, no girl he convinced himself he loved wanted to sign up with him for life, so the next best thing is to get on with things and do something for his ego. At the absolute best, he convinced himself he was marrying some hybrid between Michelle Obama, Kate Middleton and Amal Clooney. Instead he got a poseur (hell, at least Amal has a law degree) for whom everything, including some baseline competence, is a fraud. After all her years foodie-ing herself on instagram, she can't even cook. She can't make up her mind whether she likes to roast chickens of a weekend or is a vegan. He thought he'd be Harry - the bold, daring brother who had the courage to follow his heart and marry a biracial woman - a flattering comparison to his conventional brother, his brother's "home Counties" wife and British everything. The joke is on Harry. He played himself.

R376 If what you say is true about MM's talents, MM got very far for a shitty actress. Actors have such a high unemployment rate that getting any work commercials or otherwise is quite an accomplishment. I have known people who headed off to LA to make it in acting and not one of them has an acting credit to their names. They all returned broken.

If Harry preferred busty blondes, he would have married one. He likes women of color and you will deal with that. In all of my years, I have never known a man who married someone that he did not love. I have known women who have, but never a man.

MM will make that marriage work. She doesn't want to be a two-time loser like her half-siblings. She is trying desperately hard to be the best that she can be for Harry. It is just a hard adjustment for someone who did not grow up learning the customs and traditions associated with The Royal Family.

R378 Harry was turned down flat by at least two blondes. They didn’t want the job. MM was desperate for it.

^^^Also r378, as for you’ve never known a man to marry if he’s not in love, very famously his father did not love his mother. Charles was told he had to marry and the love of his life had been deemed unsuitable.

I scanned the video of Harry's wedding r376 and nowhere can I see Harry looking "traumatized." At 14:14 minutes, during the cleric's sermon, when the words "chiildren" and "family" are mentioned, Harry literally physically turns to Meghan and knowngly smiles at her. Then from 40:00 onwards, as the choir sings Stand By Me, Harry very romantically catches Meghan's eye and smiles. I stopped the video at that point.

It's quite possible that at the time of the wedding all was well.

How many of the friends you knew who wanted to become actors married Producers who got them jobs?

Your scenario makes it sound like she got work just on her own with no help from anyone.

Instead Sparkle has been helped all along throughout her life.

From her father who paid for the best education money could by and brought her to sets so she could learn what that environment was like.

From the uncle who bypassed other candidates who applied on time so that his niece could get the embassy internship despite her careless and uncaring (sound familiar?) tardiness in applying..

From the boyfriend/husband who got her the job on Suits only to be rewarded by having the rings he gave her mailed back.

Note that all 3 of the men above have since been ghosted.

Sparkle is a legend in her own mind. And yours, apparently too, R378.

I'll split the difference with all the posts above. I doubt there was any conspiracy theory worth the name except on Meghan Markle's part, i.e., hooking the biggest A-list fish possible as she realised she'd gone as far as she could.

I'll agree Harry is naive in the way that men like him tend to be who are brought up in the shelter of unearned wealth, social status, extreme deference, etc., and he suffered an emotional blow not only at Diana's death but the manner of it, it's public rawness, and its connection to his parent's divorce. I'll agree he's dumber than a box of rocks and that Meghan Markle played him like a fiddle.

Chelsy Davy had a big rack; she was the most voluptuous of his GFs. Cressida Bonas, on the other hand, was a blonde waif. Meghan Markle was The Exotic.

The Queen has absolutely abdicated (you should pardon the term) her responsibilities in holding her children to standards that she set for herself; her position re Harry was weakened by the issue between the BRF and Harry re treatment of his mother.

But she does intervene at times. Diana did NOT want the divorce, but after her huge miscalculation with the Morton book, it was the Queen who called the pair in and insisted on a divorce to put paid to it. For all her Thumbing My Nose At The Family creds, when it counted, Diana was beaten and had no choice. I doubt Andrew wanted to divorce Fergie, too, but after those infamous photos, he knew the Queen would insist and the marriage was done and dusted.

So HM does step up but only after the situation becomes dire.

Meghan is quite popular on some site (like CB, which considers her this side of a combination of Rosa Parks, and Eleanor Roosevelt, and Lena Horne), and extremely unpopular on others, a couple of which exhibit the same alternate reality lunacy as their counterparts on the Mrs Cumberbatch Is Satan sites.

Neither view represents the general UK public, which has a great many other more pressing issues to think about.

I'll agree that in a short time, Markle has demonstrated a willful disregard for a few really not too onerous expectations in a fairly shallow realm, and this doesn't bode well. Whether it doesn't bode well just for Harry or for the BRF remains to be seen.

And lastly, I'll agree that if Meghan doesn't fall pregnant soon, she will come under intense media scrutiny that will be extremely unpleasant for her. If she fails to fall pregnant at all, she will come under even more intense scrutiny and the relationship will suffer under the strain of Harry's disappointment and Meghan's unfavourable comparison (even if unspoken as such) to the fecund Kate.

I'll also agree that Harry doesn't look ecstatically happy, but I don't know how much can be inferred from that.

As to the BRF giving Meghan enough rope to hang herself - well, they hardly have a choice, do they? They can only cross their fingers and hope for a Diana-Morton moment that gives them ammunition to confront Harry and demand a divorce. Exhibitions like yesterday's, mugging for the camera with a top button open, clothes that deliberately make her stand out from the crowd, and clothes that are occasionally In Your Face - like wearing a Black Widow outfit to the 100th birthday of the RAF event - won't be enough.

My analysis: Harry likes the perks of being a royal but really doesn't like the life and felt confused and unfocussed and bored, and hoped committing to the life and getting married to someone more "interesting" would make it all work. I don't think that will be the case, and he made the wrong decision and should have gotten out when he could. His father would have made him a generous settlement.

Either way, the truest thing said in most of the posts above is that Meghan absolutely has to fall pregnant, soon, to give her more security and Harry something to be ecstatic about, at least for awhile.

I also agree that the wedding had a peculiar undertone of Let's Pretend and that the BRF did not wear the look of unforced pleasure that it did at several former family weddings.

R378 - She can't be trying too terribly hard for Harry if she can't manage to support the British fashion industry so that that area of criticism is closed off and Harry doesn't have to hear about it.

Please. The only person that woman is working hard for is Meghan Markle - Harry is just along for the ride.

At one point, Harry was the most popular royal after the queen. The public overlooked his dumb, tasteless, crass behaviour such as the nazi uniform and naked romp in Las Vegas and saw him as the most relateable royal. It seemed he could do no wrong. Yet with this marriage that has turned the BRF into a laughingstock and soap opera fodder, it has dawned on the public that this is just classic Harry, what he has been all along - dumb, tasteless and crass.

His popularity was not "real" I'd people turn on him because of who he chose to marry. Fairweather fans and friends are useless.

If not I'd. I hate auto-correct.

R338, it was said that Carole Middleton stepped in as the mother substitute for Will so he wouldn't look to his wife for a mother and they could have a normal marriage. I don't know about that - Carole Middleton seems like a natural mother sort and would have had that role anyway, as long as Will liked her (I read that although Cressida Bonas and Kate weren't a "natural match" as friends, Bonas liked Carole Middleton a lot). And although William has his own father, he seems especially fond of Michael Middleton, Kate's dad. Joking about his flip flops in the photo reproduction in Jordan, joking with him at the altar while marrying Kate.

I do think Harry developed some kind of crush on Kate that was maternal-based. She's not his physical type going by his high profile dates, but here is a woman close to his own age and the age he remembers his mom, completely kind, decent, steady, always there, always sympathetic, absolutely responsible. So I think he developed a crush but he has never been willing to put in the work that William did in his relationship with Kate. Even when they took breaks and broke up, he never set fire to the relationship nor disrespected her or her family, and at the end of the day he had the sense to know what they meant to each other and hang onto it. It was a very grown-up thing for William to do at age 28 and has paid off in multiple dividends. William has a partner he can absolutely trust, as well as love, and I think it's because she's like that, but also because he didn't break her trust. It's not something Harry is capable of even now.

R367 I know a hell of a lot more about the acting business than you do, and for all of her hustle MM barely worked. Most actresses do not fuck and network and obsess as she did. She made getting somewhere in the business her life's mission. She got a head start because her father was in the industry and could hook her up with representation (he did the same with Samantha, who was beautiful when young, but Samantha was lazy). Her being good looking was a big calling card, not for acting roles, but for fucking. She fucked her way to the next to bottom rung, good for her. She was a type where there were roles - bad, poorly paid roles - for women at her age at the time - like the Suitcase girl. You can put food on the table with that but not achieve security.

Her sole achievement after ten years of hustle including marriage to a producer was a secondary role on basic cable that paid barely over scale per episode. Most actresses married to some kind of producer work more than she did.

People in Toronto have said they had no idea who she was until she hooked up with the Mulroneys and with Corey. Those two were her ticket. Being hooked up with them gave her access to their connections and their access.

Here's where her luck resides - fucking and marrying got her Suits. It would have ended there, because a role like Suits doesn't even get you invited to the people's choice or sponsored red carpet in L.A. But it was in Toronto, which is a much, much smaller pond, so the role gave her more access to people who had even more access, and the rest was shamelessness, which is not as common as you might think.d

I know a woman who is NOT beautiful and a grating actress who gets leading roles in the repertory theatre where she has a contract because she's fucking the resident director - why he's fucking her, who knows, but she wouldn't work if it weren't for him and when he leaves the job, her career will end.

Harry wanted to marry more than one blonde but the blondes in question didn't want to marry him. He reached a point where he became cynical, watching his brother's life evolve while he was stuck in the same place. He developed his affinity for women of color when it was a woman of color who decided she wanted to marry him, for whatever reason he went along with it, it wasn't love. Maturing apparently never occurred to Harry. If he'd grown up, he might have found that some of the women he wanted would have gone the distance with him, but he's always wanted it both ways.

What other women of color did Harry fuck or date?

Harry had and still has a great friendship or kinship with Kate, r388. The sister he never had, maybe. It's too bad that easy-going, relaxed tone isn't on full display between Harry and Meghan when they're in public.

People turn on him because he acts like an asshole, is two-faced and hypocritical and entitled, and has married a phony. If you keep your distance from a friend who has married a phony who will sell you out in two seconds to cause dissension and give her social power, that is not fair weather friendship, that is common sense. Meghan started early, telling Jessica who told Lainey that Kate snubbed her at KP. The problem is it became very clear that Meghan was the only one who could have made up that story, since the two of them were the only ones present in Meghan's version. A little more of that and she'd be shut out completely.

Nobody knows what Harry's current relationship may be with Kate. Or Will. Or his father.

Remember Harry and Meg didn't arrive together at the wedding so he couldn't control her LOOK AT ME ways. He arrived ahead of time on a bus with members of Charlie's wedding party and Meg arrived later alone in a car. Then she got out and flashed her bra, then had her cutesy "oops" moment upon realizing it. Then she waved to fans, looked for every camera in sight. Didn't mingle with his friends, only Celia McQuaqendale whose wedding she just attended with Harry in June. and continued to make the wedding all about HER arrival so that there were only two pics of the bride herself arriving.

This was different than the Spencer cousin's wedding. This was Harry's set of close pals and Meghan hijacked it to make it all about her. The only shots of them together are when he decided to get her out of there after the ceremony to an awaiting car so the newlyweds could leave the church with the attention being on them and not MeAgain. He was literally dragging her by the hand walking at full speed to that her spindly little bird legs in her 6 inch stilettos could barely keep up. Then they stayed out of the public eye the rest of the day so Charlie and his bride Daisy could actually have the day made about them and not Harry's narcissist wife. I think this really pissed him off. Stealing the spotlight at his best pal's wedding in such a gaudy and over the top way (and in such a bad, inappropriate dress that was bound to get her even more talked about) was a major misstep for Meghan and one Harry will remember always.

Kate stays away from many weddings, even those of pals of the brothers as to not have this happen. Meghan went and did everything she could to make the day about her. Speaks volumes about the woman. This was Harry's BEST FRIEND. She couldn't just let his bride have her day?

No one commenting here has any factual data, r393. Posters are merely expressing opinions. Some posters may even have closer ties than they care to assert. Such is the context of this thread and threads in general on DL.

r394 how did she hijack the day? She merely showed up with her husband, who was a groomsman. Was she hanging back at the church after the ceremony waving at the paps or something -? How did she 'make it all about her'.

Same with the McCorquodale wedding - how is it her fault that the Fail and other tabs chose to run only 2 pic of the bride and several of newlywed Meghan? Of course the photogs took more pics of Meghan - she's the new Duchess. They probably wouldn't have even been there in high numbers without her and Harry present. Which would have probably pleased the bride and groom, who don't normally court attention.

[quote]Viscount Lynley's wife is not aristocracy - she is, however, extremely rich society. Her father founded the Duty Free Shops, he's a billionaire in his own right.

Huh? r349 Serena Snowdon (formerly Viscountess Linley) was born the daughter of a Viscount, later Earl of Harrington. She absolutely is "aristocracy" both by birth and marriage. Google is your friend.

You are perhaps confusing her with the Miller sisters - Marie Chantal perhaps, married to Pavlos of Greece -? - who are the daughters of Robert Miller who founded the Duty Free shops.

I can name - and I know - a lot of men who don't marry for love. For Christ's sake, look at Harry's own dad. A lot of women had passed Harry by. He got self-pitying.

“I speak to him every day and it’s sad but, no, they have not contacted him.

“There is no meeting planned, that is PR spin.

"The PR machines can stop trying to make out she’s making an effort — she is not.

She also said that Meghan, 37, shouldn’t claim to be a humanitarian.

She said: “They work towards resolve and peace.

"But my sister disposed of the entire family.

"There is no way to candy coat something so foul.

“This is a heartbreaking time for him and I’m very sad watching my sister ignore him.”

“What would Gandhi, Mother Teresa or the Pope say about that?

“Copying Diana‘s fashion savvy does not make her like Diana.”

Samantha, 53, estranged from Meghan since 2015, said she hadn’t seen “anything so cold in my life”.

Kensington Palace declined to comment.

Harry was most definitely in love on his wedding day and continues to be. You all need some strong glasses.

So, The Mirror made up the "Meghan trip to L.A." story, then, r399? Which the DM quickly picked up and published. And now Samantha is denying.

The Mirror - Excerpt from "WORLD EXCLUSIVE":

'Meghan is said to be poised to complete the secret showdown in the US in three weeks. A source claims Thomas, 74 – who pulled out of the Royal Wedding on health grounds two months ago – is understood to be “keeping two dates free at the end of the month” to meet his daughter. Friends believe it could be the first move to end the heartbreaking family rift which has plagued the Duchess of Sussex since her big day in May.'

--So The Mirror is now discredited. Can any PR people weigh in on this?

Please, she hijacked the day by dressing inappropriately - a black, color-blocked season transitional dress meant for work, not weddings, totally an eyesore among all the other female guests in florals and summer colors.. Wore a mafiosa widow hat that didn't go - also in black. Had an "oops" with her unbuttoned top - RIGHT. For the first time in her life is wearing a lacy black undergarment that she wore FOR the "oops" moment. Those were placket pockets, there was no wind, there are no excuses. That's what she did.

No, people whose fantasy is so strong they see "love" where a thousand yard stare is happening are the ones who need glasses. Meghan was in her own world.

Viscount Petersham, Serena's father (Serena is married to David Linley, owner of the Provence home and son of Princess Margaret) did not invent duty free. He is a rich man who suffered substantial losses during the financial crisis while remaining a rich man with a significantly reduced fortune (albeit still a fortune). His wealth stems largely from property holdings, so I guess we don't know how that translates into liquid income for his children.

As a point of fact, R356, she showed up alone. Her husband was in a bus with the rest of the wedding party. She departed alone as well.

When you dress yourself as a joke in order to become the story of the day, that is how you steal focus.

R397 - You're right, I was confusing Serena Stanhope with Marie Chantal Miller, now the putative Crown Princess of Greece and given the courtesy title HRH despite the fact that there is no monarchy in Greece and hasn't been since her husband's parents were kicked out.

The Armstrong-Jones marriages seems extremely successful, and their young daughter, Margarita, promises to be the beauty of the family, she is already extraordinary looking.

If I remember, Serena's dress was very like the one Pss. Margaret wore - it was a sweet tribute to her mother-in-law.

Harry and Meghan departed the wedding together, r405.

R405 - Spot on, your last sentence. That open top button and glimpse of undergarments, and the dark clothes when everyone else was in more seasonal clothing fooled no one except the fatuous fraus on CB, and it isn't the first time, witness the astonishingly inappropriate Dior outfit at the RAF 100th birthday. The woman's naked hunger for attention is becoming ever more obvious.

Diana's narcissism emerged in an insistence on incessant attention from Charles. Meghan's is making itself evidence in her insistence on being noticed by the cameras and the public.

The open top button was a new low, and anyone who thinks it was a "malfucntion" needs meds. The question is, what did Harry think?

If he has the sense of an ant, he'll insist on waiting on that baby, but I doubt he has the sense or the spine to hold off her blandishments.

I wonder if his insistence on a "retreat" out of the eye of the press was in the way of a punishment, depriving her of the limelight she craves.

^^^I suspect it may be less a punishment and more a desperate attempt to keep her from embarrassing him until she can be persuaded to be a little less attention seeking.

Lots more photos of Harry and Meghan at his frend's wedding at this link.

The only photo which shows Harry wearing his fav pair of shoes to his best friend's weddng - the shoes wth a HOLE in the bottom.

Prince Charles had a responsibility to the crown that Harry and all of the men I have known don't. Prince Andrew, a spare, married the woman he loved even though she was plodding and a bit tacky in dress and manner.

I never said that MM was Meryl Streep in talent or success. I was pointing out that as an actress she at least had a job. Most actors are unemployed where acting is concerned.

I don't like users, but I do understand that sometimes you have to let people go. We don't really know what went on in her first marriage. We do know that the Markles are unstable. As far as the ghosted childhood friend, it is really hard to maintain friendships from childhood throughout your life. It seems like the best friend picked sides in the divorce and who would really maintain a friendship with someone who sided with their ex?

Black hat in a sea of flowers and summer colours.

" How did she hijack the day? She merely showed up with her husband, who was a groomsman."

396 she did NOT show up with Harry. He arrived ahead of time on a bus with the other groomsmen and hung with the party until the wedding started. Meghan arrived separately and did. Thus she exited the car with her opened down blouse, gave the oops laugh, waved to the paps like she was the guest of honor, flirted with every camera in sight. All without Harry's supervision on her first outing since being put in a PR corner over "hysteria" about Meg. She drummed it all back up again, and did it wearing a god awful dark dress completely wrong for the occasion, standing out like a sore Me Me Me thumb and ignoring a chance at wearing a British designer yet again.

I suspect Harry heard about her antics upon arrival once people inside the church told him, which is why they left early and hurried away in a car as to let the bride and groom's church exit be about them and not Meg's further antics. Harry did not look pleased leading her out of the church.

[quote]He arrived ahead of time on a bus with the other groomsmen and hung with the party until the wedding started. Meghan arrived separately and did.

How was she supposed to arrive then? It she came in on the bus with the men that really would have caused a big stir.

Was she supposed to be spirited in via closed van with blacked out windows, and hurried in the back door of the church? Drama drama. I didn't see antics and I doubt any of the other guests did. Were they acting up when they arrived smiling, waving at each other and greeting with air kisses?

The dress was a bit dark in color but otherwise simple and fine and didn't pull focus. She looked fine. It wasn't 1000s of $ either, in cost, for a change.

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Wonder if Meghan would have turned around and waved at the cameras if Harry had been there watching over her.

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The same thing that is being said about Harry has been said about William: that his first-choice beautiful thoroughbred girlfriends didn’t want to marry him, and he had to settle for the second-rate plain commoner Kate. Now you are making it out to be a match made in heaven. Clearly, so far, William and Kate’s marriage has been working. But maybe in a few years we’ll see Harry and Meghan’s marriage work as well. For a marriage to be successful, the spouses do not have to be perfect, they have to be well-suited. What if Harry approves and even encourages Meghan’s “fuck the traditions,” “fuck the British designers,” “let’s make daddy pay through his nose for the diors and givenchys” attitude?

I second everything R408 wrote. I have nothing to add to that.

She's increasingly ridiculous and desperate! Being on time out seems to have made the dams break. Fasten your seatbelts...

What makes it patently clear MM was making the event entirely about her was her exiting the car acting as if she was arriving to a fucking red carpet movie premier. She steps out turns every which way with her greedy eyes looking for the cameras waving to the paps and in her mind deigning her adoring fans. You just know had she half the chance she would have happily posed before a chorus of clicking shutters and flashbulbs absorbing all of the attention. Common sense and decorum would dictate not acknowledging your presence has caused a stir and keeping your head toward the church in as low a profile as can be managed under the circumstances.

N419 Nah you can't compare Kate and Meghan.

Cress and Chelsy dumped Harry and finally he married some woman is barely knows. How many modern couples marry after few months dating apart? Most of them live together few years before marrying. The problem here was Meghan's biological clock.

William came back to Kate cause she was the One. He could have move away and find an other English Rose easily. He's the Future King, not the future spare and he gonna be super rich once Charles is King. Plus he was super handsome in his 20's. Maybe aristo girls didn't want him but he could have found an other Kate.

Meghan made the Wedding about her.

She could have check her blouse before stepping out of the car. Every women know those kind of blouse tend to open easily.

She didn't have to wave to the journalists, she could just smile to the other guests and go straight to the Church. She didn't cause she always has to wave and smile to the photographs.

She could have just blend with the other women with a cute summer dress and ignore the photographs. Basically what Eug did.

It's Meghan's strategy : always looking slightly out of place, never being like the others but in a "subtle" way. She always choses to wear something which gonna clash with the other women, even for Louis's Christening, she's definitely not a team player.

You think so, R423? All she's attracting are jeers and condemnation. Don't you think she's disappointed that all her efforts are failing to charm and impress?

This revisionist shit bores me to tears. Harry, made it clear from jump that he had next to zero relationship with Waity. I am really sick of how Lazy Waity suddenly now has an easy pass. Remember, she STILL has yet to get the Family Order, even after crapping out 3 kids. Sophie got hers way, way sooner. Waity remains a piece of lazy. HM won't give her shit while she is on this mortal coil. That said, I am not fond of either of them

Like Kate gives a fuck. She already has all she wants: Will and her children and she won't lose them anytime soon.

The senile Queen can fuck off at this point.

Yep, r422. She was annoyed that Harry left her to fend for herself, so she pulled a little stunt with the bra. That’ll teach him.

And the constant waving at... whom? Something out of the Lucy Ricardo playbook. Pretending to be a social butterfly of the young royal set. She doesn’t know anyone there.

R423, if you're going to continue writing these long posts, can you please learn some basic writing and grammar skills?

Actually, I think Kate does give a fuck. The royal house of cards is teetering and a good push from someone as non-royal and disruptive as MM could very well bring it down.

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Your link doesn't work r430.

Raise your hands if you’re cranky white American gay men who feel it’s your duty to rescue the British monarchy from your countrywoman.

Also, raise your hand if you wept bitterly at Diana’s funeral and vowed you’d make sure her sons married perfectly, because thats’s what Diana would have wanted!

Raise your hand if you’re a fan of insane diapered Samantha rolling about in her wheelchair with her frauey MS diagnosis.

I don't see Harry's disenchantment leaving the wedding that other posters here do. Also, he was already in the church so he wouldn't see MM's arrival performance and he's a guy, I don't think it would register that she's the only woman not wearing pastels or florals.

However, the photos are splashed all over the news so presumably he has seen them. I don't think the undone button is that big a deal (certainly not compared with dresses blowing up which had happened more than once with Kate). The bigger issue IMO is waving to the press. It's a private event. She has to pretend they are not there to see her.

How I will chuckle if R432 is one day soon diagnosed with "frauey MS." You're an asshole, 432.

R428 Pas de problème, le jour où tu écriras un français parfait, Ducon

R434 = triggered and #teamsamantha

No, just decidedly not #team432.

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R432 you’re a rancid seeping wound on the asshole of humanity. “Frauey MS”? Fuck you sideways with a rusty chainsaw. You know that MS lesions on the brain and plaques on the spinal cord show up in MRI scans, yes? You know that it is a real disease?

R427 - I have to agree that the big waves at the cameras are rather telling - it's not as if she's attending an official event at which they would be expected to wave, she's there in a private capacity but seized the opportunity to feel herself a Star. You have to know that the paps at these moments call out, "Meghan! Meghan! Over here, Meghan!" and instead of giving them a dignified smile and moving on she does the whole Marilyn Monroe bit, and she can't hide that she's only too happy to oblige. I think that's what happened, and the "top button malfunction" was just the cherry on the icing.

There's often a moment that captures the broader outlines of a situation or relationship better than any other moment has, and in my opinion, MM's "performance" at this wedding is that moment - up till then I think the Dior Black Widow Dress at the RAF celebration did it, but I think the von Straubenzee wedding surpasses it.

This woman is sticking it to the very people who have her the role. It's like arguing with the director who just gave you your big break in a major revival in the West End.

R432 - Raise your hand if you really need to move to another site because you just can't handle juicy gossip on a juicy gossip site about someone has a bit of black DNA and who recently married into the highest profile royal family on the planet, whose trashy family is all over the tabloids, who wears outrageous clothes, and whose wedding was viewed across the globe.

I mean, what queer with any character would stoop to discuss such things?

Meghan thinks she's "directing", r440.

Just read on the Daily Fail that her wave was in response to spectators singing Happy Birthday to her. I can see how it would put her on the spot, it's a natural reaction to acknowledge it. I guess she hasn't had the lesson about pretending not to hear.

That could have played another way, of course:

“Meghan Markle IGNORED well-wishers who tried to show her affection by singing happy birthday to her. What a cunt!!!”

R443 - Please, not ALL the waving was to spectators and she's done the whole Here I Am Watch Me Wave before.

Buckingham Palace officials have replaced Australia trip in October with Vegas Strip to better highlight DoS's "interesting" fashion choices.

Up until this last appearance, I've been relatively supportive of her, mainly because of sympathy because of her awful, grifting family. But, again, never wearing British designers, that top button left unbuttoned (clearly intentionally), to allow a peek at her bra, wearing black and white to a summer wedding, when all the other women were wearing cheerful summer colors, and the constant waving to the paps, has finally convinced me that she's a shameless American fame whore who will never become a proper English duchess. She clearly has her own agenda, and is ignoring the guidance that she's clearly already been given.

New Zealand visit by the Sussexes will switch to Goose Bay, Labrador, a nod to the Palace's focus on strengthening Commonwealth ties on Canadian soil.

Another surprise change to Sussexes' itinerary has been announced. The happy couple will be visiting Ellesmere Island, population density is 0.019 persons/km2 (0.05 persons/sq mi), one of the lowest in the world, located in Nunavut, one of the world's most remote, sparsely settled regions, and the second-least populous of Canada's provinces and territories.

Prince Philip is actually said to be the absolute ruler when it comes to family life. Supposed The Queen agreed to that early on in her reign to placate him.

The Queen has generously gifted The Sussexes a little know piece of land held in her family for over 1,000 years, located in the Shetland archipelago of Scotland, is one of the United Kingdom’s most remote permanently inhabited islands. Harry is said to be thrilled at the idea of sheep farming and playing polo on the local ponies.

The Duchess is said to be looking forward to living in the 2 bedroom stone cottage in the Presbyterian parish known as Foula Kirk and learning to adopt the Shetlandic dialect. The 2 hour boat ride to the mainland for provisions will be a welcome respite for her allowing her to escape the stresses of royal life.

You are joking but remember Kate and William decamped to remotest Wales for the first two years of their married life. The Queen likewise was a Navy wife in Malta when her father was still alive. Harry is out of the army but the palace needs to cook up a job in some remote place where they can figure out married life.

Meghan couldn't tolerate complete isolation with Ginger Dimwit, r452 for years on end. No media. No Soho House. No opportunities to show off her "fabulousness" with masses of people. No exotic trips to Mustique, Monaco, The Maldives on a whim. It would be the equivalent of having her wings clipped. NOT what this delicate flower signed up for.

I think Prince Philip's entourage are trying to keep as much stress away from him, r450. His power and influence is waning. Or has waned.

She should have done what any other member if the Royal family would have done-- dignified smile and nod. I'm sure she knows this, if I do. Acting like she is the attraction at someone else's wedding is unforgivable. As noted, other BRF members, like Kate and Eug, wear low key or old outfits and keep a low profile , or avoid completely to keep from ruining others' events. Yes, the press is going to be yelling at royalty to get a picture. I'm sure this crazy behavior is a real bonanza, too. R444

Well yes r453, that's part of the deliciousness. I think an appointment to head some charitable endeavor based in Equatorial Africa would nicely align with both their interests, no?

I'm thinking more Army Camp, r456.

She is kind of growing on me, because she clearly has no shits to give. I do love a shameless hussy. If she can nail the glamour, we have a textbook soap opera villianess.

Did you really call the Duchess a "shameless hussy" R458?

[quote]Meghan Markle wears 22-karat gold sunglasses worth $750

Duchussy Meghan.

She's gonna have to do Balmoral this year, you need to wear bee-keeper type nets to avoid the midges and blackfly.

Could be a good look for her.

MM's fashion disasters are part of the attractiveness of the "shameless hussy" concept, r458. If she was slick, polished, well-spoken, PC, upper crust-perfect and stunningly beautiful, we would not have the wrong-side-of-the tracks hussy that we do now. We need to embrace her lack of glamour for the BRF villainess soap opera phenom to flourish.

^^With the sock marks around the ankle!!!! Haha

Scheming, back stabbing, social climbing, actress, who fucked, and sucked her way to what she considered the top. All in the quest to be a STAR!

Really what's NOT to like? In fact, it is one of those stories where passable looks, lack of talent, and an iron will got her way....Its almost like she is a Norma Shearer/Joan Crawford type, but for the new generation!

The sock marks -- just capped off the disheveled look perfectly! And the over-sized black shoes, crumpled white lab coat and umbrella-thick legs at Ascot.

Also not to be over-looked are MM's "energetic" mannerisms. Here she is raising her hand in front of the Queen's face -- at eye level to rhe Queen - - as she tries to get her point across. I've never seen any photos of people doing that. Not ever

R441 there isn't any juicy gossip in these threads. Hyperbole isn't gossip.There's no inside info. Just a bunch of people who think they can read MM's mind. People who think wearing dark colors to a wedding will cause the world to end. There's also the rehashing of old gossip. There's also repeating things her bitter unstable family members have said. There hasn't been any juicy royal gossip since Dianna died. Fergie embarrasses herself every now and then, but that's become expected and boring.

Fergie just embarrasses herself because she has become a hopeless drunk, nobody pays much attention. She isn't alone in that family.

So juicy! Isn't speculation and innuendo the greater part of gossip? I think this is much more fun than Di's marital woes! It is indeed very Flamingo Road/Stella Dallas.

Nobody said wearing black to a wedding will cause the world to end r467 and you seem to miss the irony that you used hyperbole to describe the thread then make such a ridiculous hyperbolic statement.

Wearing any outfit that will cause you to stand out at a formal occasion when the focus should be on someone else is tacky and just plain attention whoring. It’s the poorest of bad manners to behave in such a self promoting way. She’s trash. Not because she’s a commoner but because she behaves like trash. The unbuttoned top was just cheap.

R326, I watched the entire documentary, thought it was leading towards some type of summing up that acknowledged why these women put themselves through it, and it never happened. It summed up with Chris Rock basically going "Women!"

The intent of this thread was never to attempt to fabricate and/or drudge up "juicy gossip." If that was one of the by-products, fine. The thread started purely as a tongue-in-cheek invitation to exchange serious and not-so-serious opinions on MM's "style." I saw so much potential to have posters from many countries, cultures weigh in and have a good time while doing it. I'm sure there are many sites where you might obtain "juicy gossip" but this was not the intent of this thread.

NO, R424, just like with a toddler, negative attention is STILL attention.

R497 - Oh, get over it. No one remotely suggested that wearing dark colours to a wedding will cause the world to end.

OP - much of the thread was tongue-in-cheek, but you can hardly open a thread about Meghan Markle and expect us to have ignored the drama playing out in the Daily Mail with her family?!

You know, like the man said in Pirates of the Caribbean: intentions are more like guidelines. This isn't the OWLS.

Shit happens.

And wait till the York wedding and the Australia tour. There will be plenty of clothes to talk about.

LOL!! The Markle family drama has certainly added a "soap opera" dimension to the this thread, r474. And there's more drama, style mishaps to come, I am sure!

DM reporting: "Duchess of Sussex 'politely turned down' an invitation to the Emmys, sources say."

-- Next Spring, another "source" will leak she politely turned down invitation to the Oscars.

Meg won't go the Emmy but you can be sure she'll go to the BAFTA and maybe the Olivier Awards.

BAFTAs are Will's gig, r477.

"Prince William is to succeed Lord Attenborough as the British Academy of Film and Television Arts (BAFTA)’s fifth President, it was announced today at the Orange British Academy Film Awards.: - Published 21 February 2010.

I find it believable that she was invited to the Emmys and turned it down. She was a TV actor. She's now very famous. I'm sure they'd love to have her present.

Another missed fashion disaster opportunity, r479.

R478 You think it gonna stop her?

She was an actress, she must think she's more qualified than William for anything BAFTA.

Palace has final say, r481. Dem's Da Rules.

How much Did Sparle pout about not having Harry's full attention on her birthday?

R459, amazing no one has picked up on this. She finally wore a fairly inexpensive gown (by her standards) and her sunglasses cost nearly twice as much as her dress! $750 for gold plated sunnies? This woman is outrageous. Oh, and these are new as she wore a pair of super expensive Tom Ford sunglasses at Harry's polo event. She's found a new way to buy luxury items, in her accessories.

Newspapers always focus on the dress never on accessories.

I bet she's fuming that the outfit she had planned for the Invictus Games' opening day has been stolen right out from under her.

What tomorrow's streetwalkers will be wearing, r486. Jlo is so "fashion forward" and so so so funny. No one ever accused her of having taste.

I suppose Markle thinks she's being sophisticated but it's a mess. That sleeveless shirtdress she wore to Harry's polo is the style she should have worn to Wimbledon. Throw a flower print on it and it would have done here too. Her "rebellion" can be baring her upper arms/shoulders in church.

So she and Harry are assigned to Balmoral for the month? they don't have an excuse to do otherwise. Kate and William have her parents (except they all have just been to Mustique). I read that Zara's excuse is she just had a baby but what's the protocol here? How many children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren are asked or expected to attend? Or maybe it's different every year. How is that all sorted out? Diana famously hated it but she was the only one who dared to defy it until William and Kate who've been more tactful about it.

R477 - William is Patron of the BAFTAS so I think it highly unlike Meghan will be able to horn in on that.

Hell 489, William can barely be bothered with the BAFTAS. I think he skipped at least one.

I wonder if she is going for this look.

I said it before Fergie 2.0 this one ! It wont stop because she’s a gready bitch . I always thought she used Harry as a Trojan Horse to get in the Royal Family . And Harry is only the beginning . Not now but after a year she will hunt William as he will be very rich in the,future . Kate should be weary of MeAgain .

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They could also be described as a "careless" pair.

R462 - Lawd, that first engagement photocall outfit was a disaster. Bulky white (in November) bathrobe trench that made her look like a tank, dark green dress sticking out from the bottom, and off-colour shoes that looked like they were about to fall off, with no hose again in mid-November . That should have been our first clue.

Maybe there's no more to this than that Meghan Markle has taste up her ass, and now has the money to indulge her bad taste. She looked much better on "Suits" when someone else was dressing her.

And she should stop hiding the stick legs - if she wore short enough skirts, at least she'd add some wider thigh muscle to the look and that's what would really offset the bird legs, not the yards of swirling cloth with the two pipestem calves sticking out.

Is she permitted to wear short skirts?

R497 - I imagine she'd have to use some judgement in how short, what sort of event at which to wear the shorter skirt, whether it's a private or official event, and use some care in bending over and sitting. I admit the shorter skirts for someone in her position can involve more "management", but the fact is, she looks much better in them. And if the shorter length is a dress rather than a skirt and top, the management is probably easier. She couldn't possibly look worse in a hem 2" above the knee than she did in that ghastly tablecloth she wore to the Spencer wedding.

R497 Kate wore this when she was pregnant with Prince George. Depends on the occasion

All of the actors at Kit Harrington's wedding waved to the crowd as they entered the churchyard.

What's the big deal? People were probably yelling Meghan's name. It was not the waving that's bad; it's her ugly, navy dress and hat that looked like a dive-bombing bird. Her face looked orange again. MM needs to stop using bronzer!

The bride and groom were adorable. Everything they did was perfect .

Meghan needs to put 10 lbs back on so she can show her legs again. It will help her face and breasts be fuller too.

She needs to wear a foam or padded bra that gives a nice silhouette instead of the lace bras that look bumpy under her clothes. We don't need to see her nipples at every function. The worst her chest looked was in the brown dress with the dogbone bra (like another poster described it).

These black, navy or earth-tone midi dresses meant for fall or winter are absolutely the worst. If she's going for a 1950s look she's achieved it only she looks like she's in her 50s, not her 30s while wearing a 1950s style.

This first shot of Hayden Panettiere reminds me of MM. Short, petite women do not look good in wear midi dresses. Hayden looks like a normal-height woman whose had her legs cut her legs off.

Hayden in midi-dress link.

R500 - Re Kit Harington's wedding: exactly: actors lapping up the crowd; the royals are supposed to show a bit less appetite for public adulation. It is again, the need to put some distance between celebrity and royalty.

But I do love your description of her hat - "like a dive-bombing bird". The hat kept reminding me of fowl of some kind but I couldn't put my finger on it - you nailed it.

I'm sure the DoS will "donate" her 22-karat $750 gold sunglasses on her next visit to Rwanda as Global Ambassador for World Vision. Her personal fashion purchases always reflect top-of-mind awareness of her humanitarian and charity work priorities.

How did I miss this one?

R506 - Oh was that the Remove The Stigma of Menstruation optic?

Well - the sari looks good on her, maybe she should try that.

Soho House members get discounts at Club Monaco.

Funny thing, a story came out today that Vogue really really REALLY wanted Meghan on its September cover instead of Beyonce. They offered to let her pick the photographer, have editorial control, fly to London for the shoot, etc. They super super were falling down desperately wanting to be the first to have this amazing most popularist royal on the cover. Beyonce has "no idea" she was second choice.

Today Vogue denied it completely (obviously) and (again obviously) nobody can source the origins of the "We wanted Meghan!" report. Because obviously her PR did (she has a PR firm). Kate was on Vogue, and the Yorkie sisters, who are treated more seriously than Meghan (considered real royals rather than poseurs), were recently in Vogue. So she has to plant a story going "Me! They wanted me the most! More than Beyonce, who had NO IDEA she was second choice!"

The funny thing is there's a ratings list ranking the stars efforts on behalf of different causes, and Markle is down at the bottom of every single one. Some of this might have to do with her having nonexistent star pull prior to Harry, but in many cases she's thoroughly outranked by has beens, never weres, and mid-level reality show stars.

R508 - Interesting story, I hadn't heard it, if true. These cover stories, in fact the magazines generally, are put to bed three months before publication usually, so this smells a bit to me. Three months ago would have had to have happened around the time of the wedding - the timing really doesn't work. If Vogue decided just recently theywanted MM on the cover, they'd be talking about the November issue right now not September.

So the timing of "today" is suspicious. And Interesting that Vogue is denying it vociferously, which rather sticks two fingers up at MM.

Kate isn't any more of a "real royal" than MM is - but her husband is second in line so she ranks much higher and that gives her royalty ID lots more sheen.

Kate may not be a real royal, but she's a class act. Can't say that for Meg.

I don't know if it's still there, but very near Kensington Palace on Kensington High St. (or it might have been at the top of Kings Road), was a building that was like a warehouse. Young fashion designers rented space and sold their clothes. Years later, the clothes I bought there are still in fashion and far hipper than anything I've ever bought in a dept store.

It is really puzzling why Meghan doesn't wear much better clothes. There are tons of indie fashion designers and milliners on Etsy who live in Commonwealth countries.

Why doesn't she visit the English fashion colleges and look at the design work online?

I don't believe that the Queen is dictating the clothes MM is wearing. It seems that the rules are very simple for official occasions: 1. No black tights 2. Wear nylons or sheer tights 3. Cover your knees 4. Wear a hat or fascinator

Etsy has a million beautiful antique/vintage milliner's floral decorations that are velvet, silk, berries, etc.

These monotone berets, tilted flying saucers, and craft store roses propping up a crummy hat are ugly.

R510, she’s a Woman of Color, though, so she’s sought-after for woke publications.

R512, I wish MM could read your comment.

And I’m intrigued! Would love to visit that place. It reminds me of a short story, I think by Fay Weldon, about a mysterious exclusive boutique that turned you out in marvelous clothing. Now I’m off too google!

Xoxo

R514

The place wasn't so mysterious. It was more like an indoor flea market. I may try looking at Google Earth or Google maps.

The last time I was in London, I was horrified by the overdevelopment in Covent Garden and Kings Road. It's like they slapped ugly modern additions on top of old charming shops. That happens in NYc on certain streets of brownstones.

My sister was with me and bought stuff too. We both reminisce about those days. London's fashion and music was great in the late 80s - mid 90s-- now I think it all about drill rap, sweatpants, athletic shoes and Kardashian slut dresses.

I wish NYC would have places where indie designers can sell their stuff. Everything here is Federated crap. The stores used to have distinctive clothes. Not anymore. Rent is sky-high.

Blocks and blocks of empty storefronts. Put indie designers and artists wares in them! It all looks alike.

whoops. "It all looks alike" was meant to be in the sentence about Federated Group dept stores.

The main problem is that Meghan is trying to obey a set of rules that haven't existed for 30 years.

Hats are not compulsory for most events, neither are stockings if it is just her and Harry. plus the skirts can sit on the knee without an issue.

Never heard the black tights rule, Diana wore them all of the time.

Maybe the no black tights rule is over. No wedge shoes. the Queen doesn't like them.

It's not just the clothes and shoes. MM's hair and makeup are just awful and so different than before the wedding.

It's preferable that royal women wear stilettos so they can sink into grass?

Kensington Market, r512? If so, it’s long gone.

MM can't or won't wear flats due to her short stature, r519. That doesn't leave a lot of options when she's walking on football fields for publc events.

The hole in the sole of Harry's shoe is hysterical. This from the man whose father had his shoe laces ironed between wearings. Does he not have a butler who attends to these things and makes sure the wardrobe is in presentable condition?

R520 Yes. Kensington Market . I think that was it.

MM could walk into most any store in London and come out with better clothes that fit. Joseph (are they still around?), Warehouse, Monsoon, Selfridges, etc.

I read a few articles about Bryan Ferry's ex-wife who just committed suicide. She had done something about fabric with a London fashion college. I spotted some interesting photo image dresses in the article.

The point is that there are tons of talented fashion designers+ milliners (young & old) who could do better for MM and they are easy to find --- colleges and Etsy. I like her Aqualuzza shoes. She just needs to wear the right size and stand with her legs together.

R522 Those are Harry's favorite shoes (but yes, he needs to have new soles put on them.

RIP Kensington Market

R524, Yes, I've had my favorite shoes re-soled several times. It's not that expensive, and if you own some really terrific shoes, it's worth the price.

Here is the result of a search for "Fascinator Hats" on etsy.com.

R527 Hahahaha. But that is just the first page of over 49,000 listings.

R514, have you recalled the title of the Fay Weldon story?

The woman in the Kensington Market photo stands with her legs apart worse than MM.

RIP indeed. Here it is today.

Aside from the hole in the sole, Harry's shoes look they could use a good polish.

R531 I can see the reflection of lovely old buildings across the street. Hands off you bastards, Foster + Partners!

R508, absolute horseshit.

She shamelessly used her Harry's girlfriend status to snag a Vanity Fair cover she would NEVER otherwise have gotten, but she turned down VOGUE even with full editorial control?

Nope. Did not happen. Just like the Emmy nomination did not happen, the declined Emmy invite did not happen, the godmother to Louis did not happen, and so on.

It's just another form of PR, one favored by her good friend's friend Lainey: if you float an idea as theoretically possible (even if not remotely likely) it becomes true enough. Meghan COULD have been nominated for an Emmy and she COULD have been Louis' godmother, so the things that would have been required to make those things happen must be true. Like suggesting the class dunce could have been valedictorian--even though it didn't happen, he must be smart if it was at least a possibility, right? So if Meghan was offered the September cover with the same level of control Beyonce got, she must be as powerful and influential as Beyonce, right?

MM's planted PR on DM is rapidly nearing the legendary excesses of the Beckhams.

That is not the main problem. No rules say wear a work dress to a wedding, no rules say go sleeveless and without stockings to a memorial on a chilly day, no rules say don't wear a bra at your wedding, and no rules say wear hooker heels you can't walk in. No rules say wear clothes that don't fit, and even though your sugars say it's because you like clothes "loose", the issue is they don't FIT - the shoulder seam is not at the shoulder, the dress is a shift but caves in and folds because it's large.

It is absolutely obvious she is being sent stuff by Mulroney and by whomever else sends her stuff - the shoes, the jewelry. Then the label blasts on twitter that the mess she is wearing cost 800 gazillion pounds! She doesn't have a tailor, a make-up artist, a stylist, and she doesn't have the choice Kate has. Why is anybody's guess, maybe she doesn't want to go that route (purchase her stuff on whatever PC determines is the budget for the spouse of the 6th in line) but these clothes look like costumes or something she borrowed from a friend, not her own clothes. Totally random and certainly nowhere near any rules. And I'll never forget the heels she wore to the memorial that still had mud on them from when she wore stilletos to some sports thing and had to stomp across the pitch.

It doesn't matter what the rules are. It has been blatant for a long time that the RF breaks the rules all the time and nothing is done. Kind of like Trump, come to think of it. Oh the constitution, tradition, rules, law, forbid all this and that. Trump: I'm gonna do it anyway. Result: Oh well.

That's the British Royal Family.

R515 I think you're talking about the Spitalsfield market. I don't think anybody could find their wardrobe there. A few nice pieces, sure.

R537 No. It wasn't Spitalsfield market. It was the Kensington Market. A poster 520 above found it for me and posted the photo. R520

I find the whole Sparkle saga to be very odd, partly because I don't understand lots of what she does and why she does it.

Why does she choose clothes that are "off" for the occasion? Why wear clothes and shoes that obviously do not fit? Why the constant searching for the camera? Why continue to wear non-British designer clothes?

Is it all attention getting? Just wanting to be noticed even if it is for the wrong reason? She must know about the criticism of her apparel. Why the constant repeating of behavior that doesn't "fit"?

Is she like those nutty people who confess to a crime they didn't commit because they want to be famous for something?

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Ivanka looks so sad in the photos from that event. She knows the Mueller hammer is about to come down.

That lace dress was Pepto Bismal pink, I liked it better when Ungaro used the same technique on white lace many years ago. Ivanka's dress is gorgeous from what I can see but wasted on her. I wonder if designers shudder when they see their work identified on Trumpsters, knowing that they are all grifters.

R511 - Oh, I agree with you on Kate. A real Home Counties girl, at least, and I suspect the charges of "lazy" overlook the fact that the Queen has probably remembered how she had to leave her young children for early Queenship duties, and has encouraged W&K to put their young growing family first. Not suggesting she's a dynamo, but she has behaved extremely well.

R512 - No, I don't think the Queen dictates the clothes anyone is wearing, either; but she probably does expect some broad principles to be observed, but can't do much about it if they aren't. Restrained decolletage, weighted hems, not wearing black except for mourning, and hats where appropriate.

MM just has shite taste.

And I wonder if designers shudder when they see their work on Sparkle, knowing that she's fucked it up in some way.

The absolute worst was the O de la R tablecloth that swamped her. I'd really like to know what was the fallout from that. It could be why she did a 180 to dark, dreary and boring for this wedding.

But then there was that pesky button. Curses!

Funny video where camera catches MM nearly slipping and falling on her ar** in her Oscar de la Renta tablecloth dress. Starts at 00:45

William is in France today.

He looks good with a good tan.

I don't see her slipping in that video at 00:45. He puts his arm out, sure, but her shoulders didn't drop, like you'd expect if someone stumbled.

^I'm an idiot, on rewatch it is apparent that her foot slid.

Her foot slips on the hill, r548.

R529, I’m searching! I am pretty sure it was a Fay Weldon story; it was her style, anyway. I’ve spent the whole morning googling. It may be in “Mischief”, but I can’t find a free online version.

It was a bit allegorical. I’d love to read it again. Will post if I find it.

My point was that it was about putting something on that you wouldn’t ordinarily, at the insistence of someone who knows better. And how it can change your life.

Xoxo

R545, Upon re-seeing her in that awful tablecloth dress at the Spencer cousin wedding, at least it was seasonally appropriate. Just horribly ill-fitting and way too big for her boxy frame. And way too pricey for something so ugly for her petite body.

Wearing that ghastly black dress with the unbuttoned top to Harry's best mate's wedding was far worse. While the fit might have been slightly better, the black hat, top, shoes, and awful color blocked pleated skirt in mostly dark colors for an August afternoon country UK wedding was far worse of an offense,. She stood out like she was attending a funeral while everyone else was dressed in bright seasonal summer colors and patterns.

At least at the Spencer wedding she got the summer tones right even if everything else about the dress was a complete disaster.

The tablecloth print would have been cute if cut as a simple sheath.

The tablecloth print would have been cute if cut as a simple sheath for curtains, r553.

Someone gave MeAgain the script for a murder trial in Suits, r552 in lieu of the UK country wedding invite.

R539 She doesn't do it on purpose. In fact she is trying REALLY hard to get it right. She is in a country and social class that she knows nothing about. She grew up working class in LA. Style is questionable in LA even amongst the wealthy.

She has spent years dressing like a Hollywood starlet, not even a star. She knows trends and that is about all. Even her blog was a veiled attempt to gain understanding to a higher social class and lifestyle.

The only thing shocking about this is that a woman at 37 years old has not developed her own personal style. This is what happens when you spend years in an industry that over values youth and sexiness.

Kate always looks like Kate, whereas MM looks like how she thinks she should look at whatever event she is at. MM will get there eventually. She just needs some time. She is so beautiful that she never really looks bad, but she can look a bit odd at times.

R556 - I don't agree that she is "so beautiful". She's reasonably pretty and in Hollywood that made her a dime a dozen; if she were really "so beautiful" she'd have done better. She looks like a cute Latina from south L.A.

And I'm sorry, but she does sometimes really look bad. Good lord, the Spencer tablecloth dress with the flapping hair - that wasn't odd, it was awful, and so was showing the entire outline of a bra under a dress in Dublin!

Wearing only foreign luxury designers isn't a benign "mistake", just as neither was wearing that Dior black dress and hat to the RAF event; the latter was so off the chart WRONG in terms of inappropriateness, and so glaringly attention-seeking, that it almost amounted to a Fuck You to the BRF.

So, I have to question your suggestion that she's an Innocent Abroad.

It’s not like there isn’t any precedent for her to follow in terms of dress, this isn’t a new position she’s trying to forge. She just needs to look at the other people doing the same job to work it out. MeAgain is deliberately trying to stand out and it looks ridiculous and grasping.

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Been a fan of Hardy's since I saw him in "The Drop". I think he's a very good actor.

I don't agree, R556.

Given the very, very easy access for anyone who can use a computer to online photos of various members (young and old) of the Royal Family at all kinds of events, it is inconceivable to me that Sparkle could not easily find a lot of pictures of the "right" thing to wear.

Try this as a google search "images Balcony Trooping the Colour" for a selection of pictures over the years, many of them close enough to the RF to see what the younger women are wearing for several years.

Or google search "images English wedding guests". (See below for one.) How many black dresses do you see?

No, no, she is not, to use your words...

[quote] trying REALLY hard to get it right

If anything, that outfit she wore to Louis's Christening, was reminiscent of the wicked fairy not invited to the christening. It was gloomy and she came across as someone determined to rain on what was a joyful occasion.

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First or all, if there is one lesson a YOUNG fashion forward woman learns (if she's not a Kardashian or of some other trashy ilk), it's not to let the entire outline of your bra show through your top. It's really a "duh" matter. I believe she's done this on another occasion besides Dublin

Exactly, R561 - One doesn't need to be told what to do to know what do given all of the resources we have now. Meghan is not an awkward, naive 19 year old who wore a diaphanous skirt to work or a plunging neckline to her first evening engagement as the Princess of Wales to be. Not only does the internet machine give access to thousands upon thousands of images of the royal family at different events across the years, some outlets like the Daily Mail helpfully print the prices of the outfits as well as some more modestly priced knock offs the average Femail can afford.

If she had looked up William and Kate's engagement photo, she would see that Kate wore an Issa wrap dress that didn't cost more than £300. She wound up wearing something inappropriate that cost £70K. Or maybe she did and said fuck it and decided that something so expensive would validate her and make her feel important.

One thought I had is that maybe Meghan brought all of these clothes into the marriage with her. I assume designers gave her free stuff in Toronto and they may have ratcheted up the giving once it was apparent that she would marry into the family. It would explain why almost everything is ill-fitting, from last season, and nothing is by a British designer. It doesn't explain why she didn't get a seamstress to fit the items for her. Maybe she thought she was doing Charles a favor by bringing her wardrobe with her. If this is the case, she should have held onto items until they were seasonally appropriate and occasion appropriate and interspersed with High Street clothes or British designers.

R562, that’s the worst thing that Meghan does, IMO. Looking right for the camera and all the coy waving and posing. It’s try-hard and desperate.

I’ll give her a pass on 15% of the clothing shenanigans.

Look up Kate Middleton's youthful yet classic outfit for her first solo public engagement at the National Gallery in February 2012. Has a short skirt, interesting neckline, yet fits perfectly and is totally classic.

I couldn't post the image I found, maybe someone else can.

I think this is the photo you were referring to, r565.

Bean would improve on that dress by wearing it with sparkly white tights, clown-sized nude pumps, a double-wrap leather thingy tied in a sloppy knot, and the top buttons would be left undone so that she could yank the collar down to expose her shoulders.

R566 - Thank, that's it. Interesting neckline, button and belt detail, all work well with the wearer's figure and age and status. Appropriate for the occasion with the right shoes, accessories, and well groomed hair. Shows off attributes (height, small waist, nice legs) without being obnoxious about it. Smiles at banks of press but does not look like lapping it up. Dress by: Jesire, a high street name at the time that I believe has since disappeared.

I don't say the DoC hasn't ever worn something I think is wrong for her or that I simply loathe (like that awful Erdem she wore I think last fall in her second trimester) - but most of the time she gets it right or close to right.

MM almost never gets it right, at least not since the wedding.

MM just has to look on the internet and google her neighbour to see all the different styles of dresses Kate has worn.

I would bet that Kate's 'High Street' outfits are almost totally remade to fit perfectly before she wears them though, which probably adds £500+ to the cost of each £300 dress.

Neat trick if you can get away with it. Maybe a lesson Meagain should learn.

Good lord, would it really cost £500 to re-do a dress.

Having your clothes tailored or made for you was couture before couture; or where "designer clothes" originated, in a sense -- and the height of luxury as it's completely personalized. To bad dummy is too thick to realize it!

R571 If it was taken apart lined, hems weighted and had corsetry (a bra) fitted it could be a great deal more than £500.

Kate is pretty clever.

Forgot to add, that I usually spend £150 - £200 having £500 'off the peg' suits subtly altered by a local tailor so that they fit better. The stuff Kate is having done is way beyond that.

It's worth every penny.

Thanks, R573/574 - I wasn't considering the lining, corsetry and weights. That makes sense. I remember my mother back in the day complaining when she couldn't find many lined items and put it in herself. They fit and feel better. It also adds to the life of the clothes.

R569 what really stands out is how much color Kate wears. No dreary dark outfits or things like drab olive green or oatmeal which all seem to be Megs' favorite hues.

Kate I believe can also fit into sample sizes so she might not have to have too much tailoring done. Karl Lagerfeld once was praising that about her, that her body is absolutely model perfect in height and proportion. But yeah, she clearly has clothes fitted to perfection, which Meghan hasn't done once.

While I take the point about "alterations", the truth is with Kate's figure, I doubt that much has to be done. She's not as tall as people think - 5'8" in my opinion - guessing about 120lbs after losing pregnancy weight, she's slim but not bony, she doesn't have an outsized or undersized bust, and she's probably a sample size 6 American. I doubt massive alterations are needed.

Bespoke clothes are of course another matter. But she's been shopping on high street all her life. I doubt she is having any more trouble with the fit than she was throughout her twenties..

R576 - made my points, you beat me to it by a few minutes.

MM has a bit of a challenge ahead of her. The newlyweds will be visiting Australia, Fiji, the Kingdom of Tonga, and New Zealand in a tour to coincide with the Invictus Games which will be held in Sydney from October 20 to 27. Exact dates have not yet been released, but the newlyweds are likely to be away for at least a fortnight. Avg temps in Sydney in October 72° / 57°F. The average rainfall expected in Sydney in October is 88mm which tends to fall over 13 wet days. This means that there's a 40% chance of rain. Tourist season starts in November.

As of now, her inventory iof knock out fashions is pretty well zilch. She has no personal London-based designer(s) relying on the luck of the draw in terms of wearing whatever is sent to her and in the size it is sent to her. She'll be wanting to hide her legs as much as possible since that's one of the first things people will gawk at So expect more midi or calf length dresses highlghtng her unfortunate stick thin ankles and short stature. Expect more dangling forehead tendrils and messy buns as she'll be wanting control over her weave's curls as she does walkabouts.

Hopefully, she's getting some badly-needed really professional style input and direction in the lead up to this trip to carry off her public appearances and the constant media attention on her. And not depending on her buddy Jessica who has done her no favours up to this point.

I've never found Kate's clothing to be youthful at all. The skirt lengths are the only youthful thing about her outfits. They're usually tasteful. I can easily see women in their 70s wearing that dress at R566 if you dropped the hemline. She always reminds of the models from catalogs my mother gets. The cloths are for older women but they use thin 30 something models, so the clothing doesn't read as matronly.

Wills and Kate arriving in Australia in April 2014. Well-fitted, bright dress showing off her legs and hair is styled OUT of her face.

This Roland Mouret dress (plus the worst strapless bra on earth) was one of MM's worst fashion disasters. But, I just love Presidents Higgins and his adorable dogs. They are almost bigger than he is. The photos of MM and Harry with the dogs is very sweet.

She looks like the walking dead in that gray dress, r582. Does nothing for her complexion.

R577 I'm not sure that people understand how the Royals clothes have to behave.

They have to look good getting out of a car or aircraft, sitting down, standing up and walking around.

So they can't crease, ride up or inadvertently reveal underwear, It's why The Queen's whole wardrobe is couture these days.

They can't simply buy on the high street and hope they will be able to wear clothes 'off the rack'

r580 - actually, I think that's one of Kate's savvy gifts: opting for a look that will travel with her from youth to middle and old age. But I really don't see 70 year olds in her jeggings or that bright yellow dress that 583 posted or that gorgeous red evening dress with the asymmetrical neckline she wore with the maple leaf diamond brooch. Certainly the more conservative outfits, the balcony events, the christening outfits, but generally? No.

Kate arriving in New Zealand.

I would love to see her on a trip to Bhutan, but William and Kate were just there. Imagine the entertainment value of MeMeMe trying to upstage the gorgeous queen.

The Bernese Moutain dogs are just too cute. I follow President Higgins on Twitter. I wish we had a president like him. His speeches are incredibly moving and compassionate. He's tiny in stature but what a giant of a man.

Besides the ugly dresses, Meghan's posture is just the worst --- slumped shoulders that make her breasts look even saggier and her legs a mile apart. She constantly wears those mile-high stilettos in the wrong size which apparently makes her thrust out her pelvis and plant her feet wide apart just to keep her balance so she doesn't teeter and fall over.

She'll need a hair stylist to accompany her down under.

That Christmas hat looks so bad up close in photographs. I wonder if she's recycled it to hold her potted plants

R590 - Even the fraus on CB hated that brown hat from the Sandringham Christmas service - it was nicknamed the Dog Poo hat.

Whenever Harry is pictured besde MM, his looks seems to go down 20 points.

As r570 supposes, Kate probably does have her high street clothing altered to fit her better. But do you think they have to be completely reconstructed? Some people just wear clothing well, and can pick something off a rack and look great.

Anyway, while I do find her clothing a little boring, it’s always perfectly fitted and invariably appropriate. She always looks polished and — this is a big one — comfortable. She’s not tugging and adjusting and fussing. There’s nothing loose or flapping around.

Meghan is a very pretty woman, but she needs wardrobe help.

That dress did have one thing going for it. It blended very well with the pavement.

MM's summer colour palette = Dark. Darker. Darkest.

Kate seems comfortable in her clothes and in her own skin.

MM seems to need the attention of cameras or Harry at all times. People like that get exhausting quick.

Those two are startng to dress alike. Scruffy and drab.

Let's hope MM doesn't do the t-shirt and pencil skirt in Australia. It does nothing for her "figure."

Heels on grass in Dublin.

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