Hot Husband, Missing Wife II: The Sequel

“Hot”??????

He's DL hot, R1. He's also fitfat. A fitfat murderer.

You don't know that, R2! She could just be super emotional because of the baby, and hungry, so she killed and ate the girls and now has severe indigestion. She'll come back home once she gets some Tums.

If there's any history of domestic violence there, he did it. Heterosexual intra-marital abuse typically gets worse during pregnancy.

Police have upgraded this to an "endangered missing persons" alert:

I assume the husband didn't want a third child and this will eventually be upgraded to murder .

Emotional conversations never end well.

Riiight. Family Annihilator.

There is nothing hot about that walrus mustache having, tighty whities with skidmarks wearing fattie.

I'D SUCK HIS WALRUS TOES

The most logical thing is he has tinymeat. She's probably like: three spawn from this tinymeat motherfucker! Enough is enough!

Look at that future perfect prison bitch. Daaaaamn.

He’s obviously gay. Have they checked with her mother?

Could she have become a Secret Lesbian?

He smiles slightly while discussing the disappearance - he did it

I really hope there wasn't foul play here. I can't help but recall this awful murder in Toronto nearly 2 years ago. The trial is still on-going:

Dr. Mohammed Shamji is charged with first-degree murder and committing an indignity to human remains in the death of Dr. Elana Fric-Shamji, the mother of his three children. Fric-Shamji's beaten body was found in a suitcase by the side of a road north of Toronto in December 2016.

Right, but he's...

Ugh. This makes me ill.

The cops should look into those "house cameras" that he's referring to, esp if they record video. If he's deleted them, case closed.

I never liked those flapper headband things they put on infant girls. Tacky.

I just watched the video of the husband being interviewed. He couldn't look and sound any more calm.

She was into those MLM things. So was he.

According to Websleuths, she had been away with the kids for 4 weeks and came back. And then went off to Arizona for some MLM convention. The friend who dropped her off, coming home from the airport is the one who reported her missing.

It’s not looking too good for him.

What’s MLM?

[quote]I never liked those flapper headband things they put on infant girls. Tacky.

Oh god, I couldn't agree more. What purpose do they serve? They look ridiculous, and I fight the urge to pull it back and *snap* it right on the child's head. But it's not the kid's fault her idiot mother put it on her melon.

Multi Level Marketing r22. Think pyramid schemes like Amway.

Hey. He told her he was gaaaaaaay and she went to stay at a hotel and use up the limit on their credit card.

[quote]He's DL hot

Bullshit, he's definitely porn or even B list TV hot. Great smile and I like the sexy, Chris Meloni hairline on him.

But let him fucking fry if he's guilty.

Thanks r24

Whatever happen to the guy whose wife was shot in the (Amanda?) and he was sitting in his car? There were multi threads on his shenanigans post dead wife. He was so religious weirdo

R22 multi level marketing, the fancy new name for pyramid schemes. Fraus use Facebook for it

He's definitely sex. These average looking women don't realize how fucking lucky they are that there are so many more good looking men on earth than there are good looking women.

If this guy were gay his bf would be HOT.

He's really fuckable. His wife?

Well, HE thought so at least 3 times.

I mean, I hope she and the kids are OK but lookswise---she's lucky to have him.

R21 - That only confused me more. Provide a link!

Meaning, she was legitimately away recently (for a month? WITH the kids in tow?).

From which trip did the friend pick her up? The month-long one or the recent one.

Or is the recent one something fictitious that husband is making up?

ok, someone named Pommy Mommy on Websleuths had a good "synopsis" of some of the details so far:

1. She arrived home 2 am 2. Husband left 5:15 am 3. Friend came by at noon 4. Husband came home from work 5. Friend reported her missing 6. Phone, purse, wallet, car and keys were all at the home 7. Girls' car seats and medication were at the home 8. No Amber Alert - children believed to be with the mother 9. Hospitals and pharmacies have been checked 10. Police are aware she wears an Apple watch 11. Husband deleted his FB account a week prior 12. K9's were brought out, they do not believe they found a scent to follow 13. Police are canvassing the neighborhood 14. No search parties yet because police do not know where to search 15. 3 news stations have done interviews today 16. Husband admits they had an "emotional conversation" 17. Flyers are being distributed

And that MLM thing (like AmWay) is called Thrive, apparently.

To add to r32’s comment, they were into this Thrive stuff, which is supposed to give you “clean energy” and help you lose weight. Supposedly it’s safe enough that pregnant women can use it. (Which means it’s bullshit placebo stuff!)

You can see them wearing the patches in their SM photos.

I hope the mom and kids are okay, but they’re idiots for getting into that scam.

Based on the one picture posted he is pretty average. Good after 1am and a few drinks to get laid.

They've got the FBI involved.

Gawd this woman and her two kids are missing and all you fat elder queens want to talk about how hot the husband is?!? I love this place.

Media reported that LE said he’s not giving full details.

He did it.

FREDERICK, Colo. -- Denver7’s Jace Larson has been told by two law enforcement officials that the husband of the missing Frederick family has confessed to killing them and officials believe they know where the bodies are.

He sure did, r38. Colorado has the death penalty.

"These average looking women don't realize how fucking lucky they are that there are so many more good looking men on earth than there are good looking women."

Only according to gay men. Ask a straight guy and he'll say it's the opposite. "Why are there so many hot chicks married to ugly dudes?"

SHIT. Horrible, r39. So so sad.

Following on r39's post....

- Police are in the process of recovering them and the husband has been detained.

Did her pussy stink?

'News just said there’s a lot of activity in Greeley which is north. They’ve been told where to find the bodies.'

-- Websleuths

Chilling video of killer.

Geez...

ANDDDDD he has lead them to the bodies.

DL sleuths were right again.

Any motive yet?

R49 the usual - wanted to leave and bang someone else; didn't want to pay child support...

This is awful.

Goes to show that you CANNOT judge a book by its cover (for those thinking he's hot). Anyone who can do this is either deranged, evil, or both.

So fucking chilling.

Here, R47:

Chris and Shanann Watts jointly filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy in June 2015 in Colorado federal court, court records show. Chris Watts was working at the time for an oil and gas company, Anadarko Petroleum Corp., but it is not clear if he is still employed there. The couple was about $448,000 in debt at the time. The bankruptcy case was closed in October 2015.

Online court records also show Chris and Shanann Watts were sued for financial reasons by their homeowners association, Wyndham Hill Master Association Inc., on July 12, 2018. Details about that case were not immediately available. They were due in court on August 24. An attorney was not listed in court records for the Watts.

Source: Websleuths

The poor kids looked sweet. What anguish to be killed knowing your two young offspring were suffering the same fate.

A note on Websleuths from person with a connection to the deceased mother:

"My dear friend is “the friend” who investigated Shenanns whereabouts Monday morning and had the guts to call the police right away. She took a lot of grief for it in social media, but if she hadn’t the police wouldn’t have gotten there before CW did to find the doors locked and other things that haven’t come out that really boxed him in a corner. If he had 10 minutes in the house before the police got there he could have “fixed” so many things to make the investigation much, much harder. Not sure I would have had the instinct, tenacity or guts to act that quickly but I’m grateful for everyone who loved him that she did."

^ I think she meant "for everyone who loved THEM," no??

How can you fucking just lie to the camera like that knowing what you did? You really think you’re going to get away with it??

Fucking psychopath.

Meant, r49 - Not r47.

She apologized and said she meant "her" not "him., r55.

Geeze OP, what kind of Mormon, inbred community did they raise you in that makes you think he is attractive?

The couple were due in court on Aug 24. With no lawyer to represent them, and facing a possible financial penalty arising from the lawsuit, Watt may have cracked. Pure guesswork on my part.

It seems like a crime of passion, in that he didn't think it through beforehand. I never understand why they don't leave the kids alive in situations like this but I think it has to do with the unbalanced frame of mind of the person committing the act.

Watts' truck being towed from his house.

Financial pressure r61, possibly.

what a piece of shit. he'll be popular in prison.

Pretending to be middle-class can be ruinously expensive. They wanted a particular lifestyle and fuelled that with credit card debt.

Since they had such money problems, you know that third kid on the way was a point of contention.

How did he murder them?

Someone upthread said "family annihilator," but he failed to top himself. He was a failure all around.

How the hell does a middle-class family in an area with a reasonable cost of living get half a million dollars in debt?

Student loans? Mortgage included in the "debts"? Spelling-level overspending?

Living beyond one's means can get very expensive very quickly, r69.

They had an image to maintain!

Sure, they do R29. But, unfortunately, over half of those men are crazy, controlling nut jobs who might kill you (like this guy). And, the rest are dumb yokels with poor hygiene. They can have them as far as I'm concerned.

Only white people can rack up $448,000 worth of debt without any serious repercussions. #AMERICA

[quote[without any serious repercussions.

Did you snicker as you wrote this? I know many gay men do not consider the death of a frau and two small children worthwhile, especially at the hands of a hot prison prospect, but, really? What cuntery drove you there?

He really had to kill them? Piece of shit.

R73 Well, I obviously meant before the murder. Besides that wasn't a repercussion of their financial irresponsibility, but instead a decision he made himself.

Anyway, I'm sure you were just trying to distract from my main point which was white privilege. As you were.

Also, I never stated that the husband was hot. He looks like a country singer to me (which is not hot btw).

I'm so sad about this story.

R75 thank god someone made it about race! I was worried.

Oh, please R78. The DL thrives on racism. If they were black, that's all this thread would be buzzing about.

dilly dilly!

R79 🙄🙄🙄

Watching in the news now - So he killed her when she came back late from a work trip and he had been watching the kids for a couple of days? Was he just so annoyed that he killed them?

I'm 48 and single, R59.

You'd be surprised what one finds attractive at this point in one's life...

Me too r77.

I remember a similar story out of Colorado -- guy killed wife and small daughter. Found the bodies months later in a garbage dump.

He's hot. I wish I could have sucked him off before he became a murderer.

Michael Blagg

Yeah, you're right R78. Let's talk about how hot the murderer is instead.

If he'd been watching the kids he may have killed one in a temper, then killed everyone else just to tidy up. Yikes.

Mug shot

I hope he’s used to getting dick. He will get a lot in prison. What a piece of shit. A 4 year old could see on the video that he was guilty as hell.

Look at how much the head of her company, Paul Gravette, looks like Chris Watts.

Just a few days ago, on Shanann's FB page, she posted a photo of a $549,000 home for sale in Myrtle Beach saying she liked it.

They had been thru bankruptcy and now were in trouble w/the home owners association.

Did he really think that no one would notice that his pregnant wife and two daughters were missing?

Fucking monster

Do we think her out of control spending was the problem?

Below is an interesting article about men who kill their families.

She was almost 4 months pregnant with a boy.

Shanann's FB page has some pretty sad and eerie posts. There was a recent photo of a weird doll on the couch w/ just legs sticking out from under 2 big sheets of white paper.

Another recent post, she talks about trying to protect her daughter from bullies and how the world isn't safe.

Interesting:

as men are most likely to commit these acts during August, with 20 percent of cases occurring within this period.

Any theories why, r98?

I know suicides peak in May and June -- one theory is that increased daylight might be associated with greater aggression, including toward oneself. Wonder if it's the same with family killings.

The reporter is hot.

Wait...they both worked and were still that much in debt?

I'm sure he had his reasons.

When does the episode of Dateline and/or 48 Hours air?

As DL case files go, I prefer Soft Butch Sous Chef and, of course, the forthcoming trial of evil NWU gay professor Wyndam Lathem who arranged with a gay fattie schlub from England he met online to murder his younger bear lover.

I'd forgotten about that gem, r104!

What a sick creep.

'He's the Best thing that ever happened to me..."

-- Shanann Watts

So what was the point? They're dead and he'll be in jail.

Raw footage of Watts interview.

Linky stinky

'Authorities say the husband of a missing family in Colorado has been charged with three counts of first-degree homicide murder and three counts of obstructing justice. '

Try this, r109. This is a Websleuth page. Scroll down and you will see the video image of him on the veranda of him and click on that.

Very creepy

He's.a sociopath murderer, but not fat.

I’d tap that guy.

Well he sure isn't a good actor. There was no real emotion behind his words. Pretty crazy how someone can talk about the need to find his family while knowing what he just did. No idea how any husband thinks he can get away with this, husbands are always the prime suspect. Then again as mentioned above if Pastor Davey could get away with it... But this husband didn't have the benefit of being a "pastor" who because of his standing in the community (or questions ties to the local police department?) gets eliminated as a subject within minutes of the investigation being opened. Quite incredible.

He confessed.

CW should have watched this video beforehand for good acting tips.

He has a bangin’ bod too, R100. He did a remote broadcast in a T-shirt.

Recap for those just joining.

I noticed R118!

I'd take the hot husband over the reporter. Maybe I can write to him while he's in jail and ask for nude pics.

Do they actually think they will get away with it?

The gentle rocking back and forth in the video.... He doesn’t blink a lot.

His voice sounds exactly like Scott Peterson's in his interview. He also doesn't come across as very bright. What a worthless POS. What's it like to kill your own children?

He looks like Matt from Big Brother.

He couldn't bring home the bacon so he killed all the mouths to feed.

Stop reproducing if you can't afford it!

R100 Heygurl!

What kind of medication does a 3 year old need?

R130, supposedly one of them had food allergies and needed an epi-pen.

I blame Jenny McCarthy

This story is so sad.

Was there a history of domestic violence?

I'm thinking most of that debt is their mortgage. That house looks very large and new. You'd be surprised how much new builds cost, even in cheap areas. Add some nice cars in there, a few family holidays and you're at a lot of debt very quickly.

More of what’s already posted.

Such a sad story. Clearly not a family man.

R133 There was a history of financial problems. That's about the same as hitting.

[quote]Did her pussy stink?

It does now.

[QUOTE]Then again as mentioned above if Pastor Davey could get away with it... But this husband didn't have the benefit of being a "pastor" who because of his standing in the community (or questions ties to the local police department?) gets eliminated as a subject within minutes of the investigation being opened. Quite incredible.

Watts also didn't have the benefit of a white Indianapolis police department who did literally nothing to follow any leads that might have led to Pastor Davey and decided "nothing to see here, folks!" as soon as Amanda's murder could be attributed to black crime. It fit the perfect narrative for them.

One day the full story of Pastor Davey WILL come out. Isn't he remarried now? He must be getting bored/annoyed with the new wife soon. I think he will kill her using an "accident."

This Colorado guy *is* hot. He is going to be very popular in prison. I like the theory that he killed one of the children in some kind of rage and then decided to just kill the whole family to sweep it under the rug.

If she was pushing that multi-level (pyramid sheme) marketing bullshit she deserves whatever horrible fate took her down.

I would imagine being a wife/girlfriend killer is OK with other prisoners, but killing young children is probably not so OK.

sheme=scheme

I’m wondering if financial issues were a problem. The HOA was suing them about something to do with their fairly new house. The only time I’ve seen an HOA sue someone is when repairs were done improperly on an older home (replaced a driveway but enlarged the footprint, expanded front porch replacement). So I’m guessing it’s about lack of payment of dues.

Does anyone know if being a La-Vel Thrive promoter cost money? Shanann drove a Lexus and I’ve read that at a certain rank, La-Vel requires you to lease an expensive luxury car. They give you money to pay some of the lease if you keep up your sales level, but if your sales drop, they don’t give you the lease help. Also, Shanann went to “sales conferences” and had just got back from one in Scottsdale. Do promoters pay their own expenses at these conferences? If La-Vel added to their financial problems, he could say he snapped because of a MLM scam.

I am sure MLM is part of whatever toxic brew grew in that couple.

Who's his bf?

These types of crimes do have a profile. Financial pressure and often a gf on the side. Guy takes a new insurance policy out and plans a life with new gf or flat out rage, but that usually only means killing the wife. Since he killed kids too I’d go with the first profile.

Crazy, R46. creepy.

That video at r46 will be used by the FBI in future cases

$500K in debt?? who gave them that kind of money???

Why didn't they use fucking birth control if they couldn't afford more kids.

White people are just weird.

For those interested in cutting edge, violent criminal interrogations, the famous case of Colonel Russell Williams, an extremely high ranking member of the Canadian Air Forces is worth a look. Williams commanded CFB Trenton, Canada's largest military airbase and a hub for the country's foreign and domestic air transport operations. He was also a decorated military pilot who had flown Canadian Forces VIP aircraft for dignitaries such as Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Philip, and the Governor General and Prime Minister of Canada.

He was formally charged with two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of forcible confinement, two counts of breaking and entering, and sexual assault Another 82 charges relating to breaking and entering. On October 21, 2010, Williams was sentenced to two life sentences for first-degree murder, two 10-year sentences for other sexual assaults, two 10-year sentences for forcible confinement, and 82 one-year sentences for breaking and entering, all to be served concurrently.

He was married to the executive director of a major charity organization in Ottawa, Canada. He would break into women's homes, wait for them, dress in their underwear, photograph himself and kill. They ransacked his house and found tons of electronic evidence of photos neatly stored.

Long story short, he was an exceptionally tough nut to crack. On February 7, 2010, Williams was interrogated at Ottawa Police Service headquarters by OPP Detective Staff Sergeant Jim Smyth. The interview started at 3 p.m. and by 7:45 p.m. where he confessed his crimes. The interrogation lasted approximately ten hours.

The detective did such an exceptional job in the interrogation - smooth-talking his way into the inner reaches of Williams' psyche using incredible psychology but in a very, very slow, calm, and friendly manner out smarting Williams by gaining his trust. The video I have posted is now mandatory viewing for detectives, psychologists, criminologists doing coursework studies in several universities across Canada and the U.S. - I believe.

I just posted this at r150 and it disappeared. Re-posting.

For those interested in criminal interrogations, the case of Colonel Russell Williams is worth a look. Williams was a Wing Commander at Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, Canada's busiest air transport base and locus of support for overseas military operations. He was an elite pilot and "shining bright star" of the military and had even flown Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh, the Governor General of Canada, the Prime Minister of Canada, and many other dignitaries across Canada and overseas in Canadian Forces VIP aircraft.

Williams was charged in the death of Corporal Marie-France Comeau, a 37-year-old military traffic technician based at CFB Trenton, who had been found dead inside her home. He was charged with breaking and entering, forcible confinement, and the sexual assault of two other women in connection with two separate home invasions.

On February 7, 2010, Williams was interrogated at Ottawa Police Service headquarters by OPP Detective Staff Sergeant Jim Smyth. The interview started at 3 p.m. and by 7:45 p.m. he was describing his crimes. The interrogation lasted approximately ten hours. In the confession, Williams gave details of his crimes, including the sexual assaults and 82 break-ins and thefts.

The Colonel Williams interrogation is now mandatory viewing for students pursuing careers in criminology in universities in Canada as well as the U.S. What was so groud-breaking in the interrogation was the detective's calm, friendly, trusting, patient manner, enabling him to worm his way into the killer's psyche.

It is an incredible video and I highly recommend viewing it - if you are interested in seeing how an exceptionally twisted but smart killer mind actually operates.

This is the actual interrogation to watch - Part 1. Not the link I posted at r151 which is a TV show on the killer.

One more time. I think this is the actual, unedited interview of Colonel Russell Williams.

I wonder what she did to make him so angry?

R149 I hate to break it to you but white people, in general, have far fewer kids than many Hispanics and AAs, many of whom live in poverty and use social safety nets.

White men do however tend to kill their families over financial problems more than the other groups.

R149 Racist troll. Probably in the closet and probably white.

We see this constantly with white men for some odd reason. Murder their whole damn family, and then go whimpering on TV, pleading for help and prayers, and the media swallows it because for some reason the LEAST trustworthy demographic for these type of violent crimes in America always seems to automatically get the most trust. (You know what I'm saying). Then he confesses...and then it's but aww, mental illness, poor guy, well he must have had a reason. Meanwhile I'm always looking at these stories like well, uh, frankly if there's a family murder of this sort or a mass shooting I am looking for a white male suspect FIRST every time. lol

No one says poor guy. He goes to prison for life.

Direct link to raw interview

R143, I do think the MLM thing was a factor in their financial trouble. Many times, “reps” have to make a big initial purchase of inventory, and keep purchasing. I’ve heard of people having storage units of vitamins or essential oils or whatever.

I read that the husband was selling this crap, too, though.

R157 that’s why there are FBI profiles.

Here in Houston we just had an AA father slit his kids throats while they pleaded, begged and said they were sorry. He left them for his wife to find.

Something to look at when watching the raw interview. He holds his right arm close to his body the whole time. He makes gestures with the other arm, but that one doesn’t move. Some on WS speculate that he injured his arm during the murders. Might not notice at first, but once it’s impossible not to see it.

So do we think his extracurricular was a man or a woman?

I’m wondering about the 6 week vaycay back home with her parents. Supposedly Chris did visit once, but otherwise he’s working the oil fields in the stinkin summer heat while his wife is enjoying her kids, parents, and the beach. And she posted a realtor ad for a $550k house In Myrtle Beach, saying she liked it. She also posted that she could “work” anywhere, even by a pool.

Maybe he snapped because his wife was vacationing while he was slaving. Maybe the Thrive caffeine patch made him especially snappy. Maybe Thrive was not as lucrative as her posts suggested and they ran up unmanageable debt again. A MLM defense might work. Sorta like the Twinkie defense.

Sometimes you just want a new life, and he will definitely get that.

[quote]Maybe he snapped because his wife was vacationing while he was slaving

The "what did she do to make him angry" guy is a sarcastic troll.

You, on the other hand, are filth.

Never heard about that Williams killer...yikes! He was one fucked up asshole.

Glad they caught him relatively quickly (compared to say the 70s). He would have killed a lot more women

People who are desperate go the MLM route. They lived beyond their means. The husband tried to assimilate because he was a sociopath. He knows nothing about living in the real world of bills and finances. His wife might have thought after bankruptcy she could continue spending. Both are at fault for that but no one had to die. He belongs locked up forever. Don't take a uturn on this thread with other murders.

More on Colonel Russell Wiliams.

Keith Morrison will be employed forever! There is an endless supply of wife/family murderers.

It was irresponsible for her to get pregnant again when they had $$$ troubles.

Irresponsible for HER? It's not like she did it to herself!

r164 Maybe it wasn't as lucrative? It DEFINITELY wasn't. Read the antimlm threads on reddit, these things are always costly and never make any money unless you are at the top of the pyramid. Interesting theory about the caffeine patch making him snap, not unlike Capt Jeffrey Macdonald and his speed pills which finally caused him to snap and do the exact same thing as this guy, only he blamed it on murderous hippies. He is much more similar than that fucking Canadian dude that someone keeps posting interviews with.

But her name was Shanann, people.... shuh-NANN!

"Anomic killers see the family as a symbol of their own economic success, but if they suffer some kind of economic failure -- bankruptcy, for example -- the family no longer serves this function. "

I suspect this is the description from the article that fits him best, the father is a stone-cold evil sociopath who just decided that the whole prosperous-family-man image wasn't working for him.

And if he was looking after the kids while she was off being scammed, I really REALLY wonder if they went first.

[quote] We see this constantly with white men for some odd reason.

Yes, but take the white part out.

Do we know how they died yet, and how gruesomely?

I think he killed one of the kids first in some kind of rage. Then he just decided to do away with the entire family. It's really quite sick, especially after watching that video where he has that huge smile on his face at the end as he's pleading for his wife and daughters to be returned home.

The world of heterosexuals is a sick and boring life.

Sometimes you just need a clean slate and a fresh start! #bebest #livingmybestlife #livinginthemoment #sponsored

He pings hard (in that southern, #blessed, gym rat, closet-case sort of way). Why do these men go and start families? Why do they then murder their wives? Because it's THAT awful to come out of the closet?! What the fuck. And why do so many women lack accurate gaydar (for lack of a better term) and end up married to these men? I want answers!

Yikes- coincidence?

Eerie

[quote] ...not unlike Capt Jeffrey Macdonald and his speed pills which finally caused him to snap and do the exact same thing as this guy, only he blamed it on murderous hippies.

Acid is groovy!

The husband chuckled in that interview, just as he was saying "I just want them home."

Video from R159 - Scratches on his neck, the weird chuckle/laughter at 3:50 and 5:00 minute mark - so creepy.

R182, why would a man who's half a million in debt lose his shit over 18K over three years? The odds are against it being the same guy, because I imagine the story is common enough. Wherever multi-level marketing schemes exist and housewives are desperate to make a money without turning their kids over to day care, it's the same.

These MLM schemes are designed to take money away from the struggling, the spouses of most "distributors" have probably posted the same damn thing online.

I bet that Dateline, ID Discovery and 48 Hours are salivating to get this case out there first. Keith "Cryptkeeper" Morrison probably jizzed himself when he heard about this one.

I live in Colorado. The hot reporter is definitely gay and cuter in person. As for the killer, so many guys here look just like him. This is the fittest state in the nation. Coming from Texas, I wasn't expecting it and look like a blimp in comparison. The women aren't so hot. Although fit, many are very basic to homely looking. I don't think he's the same guy from the Reddit post because he talks about the president of the MLM being female, whereas in the Watts case, wasn't the MLM president male?

Why these guys don't just LEAVE if they want out. It baffles me that people decide that murder is a better alternative than divorce. If you have to pay out some alimony and/or child support, which is a bitter pill to swallow but it's less of a burden than wiping out three people and lying to reporters, the police, your families and carrying that around forever. They're delusional that the police won't be looking at them first, then finding out about the girlfriend, the life insurance, etc. which always come out and are big red flags of wanting a spouse gone.

she kind of looks like Bridget Fonda

"Why these guys don't just LEAVE if they want out."

They don't want to pay alimony or child support, lose full control over the family unit, accept rejection from the wife like a man, split assets with the ex-wife, allow that bitch to get away with disrespecting them, or have the ex-wife and whiny kids getting in the way of the new life with the new lover.

If they're the kind of stone-cold sociopath I suspect this guy is, they just think of murder as the cheapest, easiest, and most complete option available to them. If they're rageaholics or control freaks, they think that death is a small price to pay for maintaining complete control over the family, whether they shoot themselves or are executed. A man who murders his spouse and children isn't thinking in sane and normal ways.

She may have drove him nuts.

I'm not sentimental about children but how on earth do you kill your own kids? I can't square it.

R192 *driven

Yes, I'm sure it was HER that's the problem here.

I’m thinking there is a huge financial element to this. We’ll see soon enough.

Their SM lifestyle doesn’t fit the reality of buying a 400k house in 2013, filing for BK in 2015, wife quits her Children’s Hospital job in 2016 and joins Le-Vel, leases Lexus, two kids in PT daycare, wife travels to Le-Vel conferences, husband works oil fields as, what I’m guessing, a landman, which is about 70k in Weld County. Maybe 90k with OT.

I knew a woman in Grand Junction who had a bunch of boxes of Herbal Life in her garage. She initially got friends and family to sign up, but had to keep buying stuff to maintain her “level.” She said she got greater “rewards” by being at a certain level. JS, for what this is worth. Maybe Le-Vel is amazing. But just saying because I witnessed a MLM scam first hand, and it looked like it was targeting stay at home women who had small children but dreamed of riches.

Or maybe Chris Watts is a complete sociopath with a bf or gf on the side, like Scott Peterson. We shall soon find out.

Denver 9 News is doing a long segment on this case. Nothing really new revealed

Yeah, if he killed his wife and two small children the problem wasn't MLM.

I am dull and boring. 1/2 million in debt. I mean, sell the house, get a cheaper place, get rid of the Lexus. Maybe the wife does home daycare to save child care cost and bring in some money. Husband works. They work with financial counselor to reduce debt.

Or option 2. Kill wife and kids.

The Watts were being sued by the HOA in the Weld County Court. The nearby houses for sale on Zillow have a measly $54/month HOA fee, and yet it could be they didn’t pay it, and thus the lawsuit. I’m guessing that they were in financial trouble. Again.

Sometimes these family killing hubbies get away with it. Remember Susan Powell? Disappeared and the husband, Scott or Josh I think it was, took the kids on some cockamamie camping trip at exactly the same time -- in the dead of winter?

Everyone knew he was guilty. But he stuck to his story and there was no physical evidence so no charges.

Of course the story got much, much weirder from there.

[quote]Why these guys don't just LEAVE if they want out.

A lot of these young middle American douchenozzles think they're amazing. They really do think they're geniuses, everyone believes them, they're SO smart and charming. They're very used to getting what they want.

They were killed in the family home. As some mentioned upthread, he must have killed one of the kids and then killed them all to cover his tracks.

I doubt a child was killed first.

Much more likely the couple quarreled, he hit her and she fell and banged her head or something similar, then he panicked and started covering his tracks.

The kids might have been murdered first and he was lying in wait when she came home, he showed her the dead kids then pounced

He had time to kill the kids and dispose of their bodies before she came home.

So have the bodies been found?

Just the wife. She was buried at his former work site in Colorado

The wife is related to actor Peter Onorati. I believe they are second cousins.

She was going to leave him according to People magazine source.

He IS beautiful with lovely skin colouring.

I can see how sunglasses or spectacles have a left a weal across the bridge of his nose.

His perfection is ruined by that gossamer wing of extraneous flesh on his upper eye lids.

He's definitely hot. Not smart, of course, and apparently a psychopath, but hot. How stupid do you have to be to not take the phone and purse at a minimum. This didn't seem very well thought out.

R189 From my experience, domestic abusers lose control in the midst of their embarrassing temper tantrums and aren't exactly thinking clearly enough to just leave.

I lived in Frederick for a few years. In fact I bought my first house there because it was dirt cheap and an easy commute to my job in Boulder.

In an uncanny coincidence, I would hear my (male) neighbor screaming like a woman on the phone to his ex wife. If a five year old acts like this, it's embarrassing. When it's a grown ass man, it's frightening. Total loss of control.

Going to be a news conference at 6:30 MST with more information.

Do stone cold sociopath family killers confess so relatively quickly and easily? He also was so sloppy about it.

Strange they haven't found the little ones. Hopefully he didn't kill them.

Of course he killed them, R215.

All three were found at the work site

He said he killed them r215. Yeah this is a lot like that MIchael Blagg who made the phoniest fucking phone call ever to try and play it off. Just like Scott Peterson, the calling the house and saying "I love you so much!" it was super cringey to hear.

This reminds me of The Stepfather movies in which the stepdad marries into a new family, and when he tires of them or gets angry at them, tries to kill them.

Hottie psychopath Watts is more twisted, however, since he cold-bloodedly killed his own family.

He deleted his Facebook a week ago. May not mean anything but I’ll bet this was premeditated. Maybe he was looking to pull off something similar to this guy.

He's got Straight Male Vocal Fry.

He only became hot recently. He’s a porker with a handsome face in earlier photos. Someone on Websleuths posted a Flipagram Shanann made on FaceBook. He was heavy. And even when you see him in that raw interview, his legs are hidden by his long shorts and ugly sneakers/socks.

True family annihilators are quite rare and have a specific pathology. This is more like family killing for insurance money.

[quote] He only became hot recently.

So, he either found a mistress or a manstress and was trying to make himself more attractive, getting ready to bolt in one way or the other.

What you mean like John List r223? How about FIsher and Macdonald? I feel like Macdonald just snapped but Fisher was planning that shit. This guy is a fucking idiot, what a waste to do this and then confess 20 minutes later. It's a good thing her pyramid scheme buddy called the cops before he was able to get rid of evidence, which makes me think he did it suddenly and didn't kill the kids first.

If he was fucking someone else, it won't take long for him/her to be made public.

He's no Pastor Davey, that's for sure.

R222 do you have a link to those pics?

See photo in OP's original post, r228.

R200, Wasn't she sexually involved with her father-in-law?

No, r230- the father-in-law was obsessed with Susan. It was not reciprocated. He was later busted for possession of child porn and died in prison in the last month.

Hot white men. Cannot believe they can be so cruel.

Her FIL kept bothering her, r230

Thet met when he friend requested her on Facebook eight years ago.

I would have killed her just because her name was "Shanann."

Momma has already applied for a wedding license and conjugal visit rights for this tight zaddy cagemeat who gets her mussy roiling like the Yellowstone caldera!

Does he have POZ face?

[quote]why would a man who's half a million in debt lose his shit over 18K over three years? The odds are against it being the same guy, because I imagine the story is common enough.

Moderators on reddit looked into it and it's not the same guy.

God those dopy patches they wear in all the pictures are so pathetic. Poor thing.

What the hell are those patches? Caffeine?

Some sort of "metabolic booster" r240.

maybe the snake oil patches will be his defense

Room temperature IQ's all around.

Why do psychopaths have to be so hot?

Former fatties never catch a break.

AWG with bad teeth and serious financial problems who murdered his entire family (including his unborn child).

Me: Pass

DL: 10/10

The huns will lose their minds over this and come out in full force defending it, like this : "This information is incorrect from top to bottom if you want to know real facts get ahold of a promoter and ask your questions we are very much well informed and this product is not marketed as a weight loss supplement however success has been documented in that area. This is false from head to tail." And obviously the problems were not strictly due to her mlm shit but it couldn't have helped. Wtf is wrong with these idiots?

R243 says the person who uses an unnecessary apostrophe - dumbass.

I like r248.

Did his coverup even last 24 hours?

If Momma liked the porch pic, her mussy must be OOZING LIKE A HEAD WOUND at the sight of Hot Husband in jail scrubs!

The wife worked in HR for a children's hospital and then quit to do the crap MLM after a friend recruited her. The friend probably used the "whole you can work from home and be with your kids" bs to get her into the MLM.

He looks hairless - major turnoff. Well that and murder.

And he uses JUST FOR MEN on his beard.

More updates

He really fucked this up. He needed to play the Jesus card straight away to get the cops on his side.

He looks like an ugly guy pearce

Dave Annable can play the husband in the Lifetime movie about the case.

The sex with the side piece must've been super amazingly awesome to push him to kill the wife and the kids.

I don't think there was a side piece, I think it was more likely an insurance policy and a chance to not have 3 kids. Shit, if I ever feel bad about my situation I can remember that at least I'm not half a mill in debt with 2 kids and one on the way.

I wonder if he'll commit suicide? I would.

[quote]Shit, if I ever feel bad about my situation I can remember that at least I'm not half a mill in debt with 2 kids and one on the way.

And living in a tragic McMansion.

I hate saying this, but he’s kind of cute.

I hate saying this, but the kids weren't. One looked just like him which isn't a good look for a young girl.

He's a lot better than kind of cute.

He should have just run like this bi guy who was over his shrewish wife.

Some girls really look like their fathers, r264.

[quote]I hate saying this, but the kids weren't. One looked just like him which isn't a good look for a young girl.

Give us a break! We may have been murdered, but we weren't THIS.

Some girls really look like their fathers, R264.

Failed murder/suicide. He didn't have the guts to take himself out when the time came. I called it.

I don’t get it. The guy murders his wife and kids, dumps their bodies and just goes home like nothing happened, with a lame story about how they just disappeared? Did he think he’d get away with it?

What was he thinking?

Some people are excellent liars and can hold off the cops for a time but this guy sucked and gave up quickly, he didn't have it in him.

I think he was going to clean up and make up a better story r271 and r272, but the hun who went on the "business trip" with her was suspicious immediately and got the cops involved.

[quote]He deleted his Facebook a week ago. May not mean anything but I’ll bet this was premeditated. Maybe he was looking to pull off something similar to this guy.

Last week, I watched a documentary on Robert Fisher. It was quite sad because some people in Fisher's life knew he had anger issues, but they didn't' expect he would kill his family.

I did too r274! On Amazon, and I live in Scottsdale so it was interesting to see. How about that cunty sister who tried to blame everything on the wife? Ugh, what a despicable person. This guy is no fucking Fisher, he wouldn't last a weekend in the wilderness.

[quote]but the hun who went on the "business trip"

Ok, I’ll bite. What’s a hun?

Here's a notably famous one.

R273 What is a ‘hun’? (Is it like a ‘frau’?)

And I wonder what was going on that made her call the cops so fast after the wife didn’t answer her phone or whatever, the next afternoon? Seems awfully quick to make that leap.

Huns are the fraus who are in the mlms. They call each other "hun" all the time, "oh hey hun, we're having a sale on our candles today!" they also are called #bossbabes and #bossmoms. They are mug cradlers for sure. She had a doctor's appt that day r278 so the friend knew she was in trouble if she missed that.

Daily Mail article says he was arrested 3 times and she was arrested 15 times in North Carolina. Nobody knows why.

[quote] Geeze OP, what kind of Mormon, inbred community did they raise you in that makes you think he is attractive?

Stand up and unbunch, R59. "Geez", indeed. I'm not a Mormon, I'm a Catholic from SF with a broad gene pool and I think he's very nice-looking. He reminds me of my favorite shop teacher, a soft-spoken guy that drove a well-preserved VW Microbus truck. Everyone loved the guy.

I grew up around three Mormon families, one of which was Filipino, Hardly a hotbed of consanguineous couplings. The two religions with the most fanatical adherants also have ruinous levels of inbreeding-care to guess which ones they are?

[quote]Police in Colorado have issued an alert for [bold]Shanann Watts[/bold]

Someone from the DMV killed her, because her name's annoying.

All three of them? One mustn't get greedy at times like this.

Well, from a housekeeping point of view, you just have to clean up the scene once, after.

FREDERICK, Colo. – The bodies of Chris Watts’ two young daughters were found inside oil and gas tanks that “were mostly full,” several high-ranking sources tell Denver7’s Jennifer Kovaleski.

It takes a lot more than money woes to do that to your own daughters.

Shanann was arrested 15 times? What's that about?

It's possible that Shannan confided in the friend that she was fearful of her husband and that's why the friend called the cops so quickly.

Shannan also had lupus. There may have been a concern in respect to her missing the doctor's appointment.

I don't understand the financial problems. He had a decent jon and according to her pyramid company she was pulling in 80k a year.

R289 She might have been lying about how much she was making from the pyramid scheme. It's been noted that people who are reps for pyramid schemes pay up a lot for stock to keep in their homes.

Even with his income, they might have been living way above their means.

R287, no one seems to be able to answer that. Supposedly the woman with the multiple arrests is “Shannon”, not “Shanann”. It’s an unusual spelling, so it shouldn’t be that difficult to figure out.

Also, found this comment on WS. I tried to see for myself, but that woman had so many Thrive posts on her FB, I was scrolling for 10 minutes and only got to June 2018. It would take a whole day to get to 2010. I’ll take their word for it.

“ Gardenista Well-Known Member If you go to Shanann's photos, and scroll to the end, there is one from November 2010 that is an ad for a club in Gastonia, NC. She was tagged in it and it looks like she was a dancer. Not throwing shade, just adding info.”

"A coworker, Danell Search was quoted:

'She mentioned about them having problems, Shanann and Chris,' and they were planning on splitting."

Source: Websleuths

r291 not throwing shade my ass! God I hate those fat websleuth fraus.

"If they think she was killed almost immediately upon returning home, that might explain the swift response by Nicole and LE.

If a friend of mine, in that kind of marriage, was going to have the conversation that she was leaving him, and she told me about it...heck yes I’d sound the alarm early and often if she stopped texting me back! By noon that was almost 10 hours. And there’s no way most LE would wait 24 hours, especially with 2 kids involved. What they were really doing was responding to a welfare check, not a missing person (yet)."

Something triggered him the moment she arrived home at 2am from the Arizona trip. He killed her then and stupidly dumped her on land owned by the company for which he worked.

GPS in phones and cars/trucks and cameras make it almost impossible to get away with family murders any more.

When I wanted a divorce after a three year marriage and four years of girlfriendhood, I told my psychoanalyst who panicked. He said “you have to realize that this is your worst enemy in the world right now”. He was an old experienced guy. Scared me but it turned out to be true. The man I left did everything he could to make my life as miserable as possible.

I think divorce makes people crazy and if they have that spark of psychopathy, they will kill or maim or leave the ex-partner impoverished. Throwing your wife and two daughters in a petroleum tank is not so well thought out as a murder. He also looks thinner and hotter than before. He must have really hated his wife and kids.

He'll have all the time world to do his planks now.

in the world....

CW training for future lifetime prison stint.

No, he's NOT hot. He's a fucking liar and a killer. The bodies have been found and he's in deep shit. His interview with the local television station in Denver, given on his front porch, with his arms tightly crossed over his chest in an obvious defensive pose, was ridiculous: rapid, mumbly millennial-speak, punctuated by at LEAST a million 'likes'. Rot in Hell, you piece of shit.

Oh, dear...

And yes, he was fat.

For some reason, before he confessed, social media dragged the "hun" for calling the cops.

I wonder if this is a case of former fattie got "hot" and started getting more attention from women ,so he decided he wanted a new life.

Not very professional or nice of me but I hope he hangs himself. He’s definitely hotter than before. You should wonder why that is instead of having a knee-jerk response. Hot, not hot, killer, funny speaking patterns are all different but still connected.

I guarantee you that the cops and lawyer and the judge too by now, have all noticed his improved appearance, whether you call it hot or whatever. That’s why his interview with the detective lasted 10 hours .

Cue the fraus getting ready to write him in jail.

[quote]#Hesmine

Some prize, Shanann,

R302, I don't think it was the media media, but assholes on social media, who will take up any damn cause.

That video was especially nauseating to watch.

I think the autopsies might do me in. Probably strangulation or head injury? Any thoughts?

He’s not so hot now, is he...

One can hold two completely different and seemingly contradicting thoughts in one’s head if you are not a total ignoramus. He’s a psycho killer who deserves to be flayed alive AND I want him to fuck me mercilessly before that happens. See how simple that is?

I'm fascinated by true crime stories, but frustrated by the ones where there is no closure. I'm hoping to get the full story from this guy, not one of those bullshit "I can't explain why I did it" spiels when their lawyer advises them to shut their mouths in the hopes of avoiding the death penalty. I'm holding out hope because this guy appears rational, so it would be hard for him to try for the temporary insanity or he doesn't remember doing it excuses.

Maybe because he confessed they won't even have a trial and no details will be revealed if his lawyer feels that Watt doesn't need to go there. I will be pissed.

Yes, I totally do. It was that sudden “hotness” that got Scott Peterson noticed.

Who else here has played out the murders in their minds? I imagine him doing it in the dark - he doesn't want to see their faces as he kills them. Slitting their throats/strangling them in their beds, pulling his truck up to the house and driving them to his workplace. I wonder if that place has security cameras - maybe they had him on video and that was the factor that had him confessing so quickly.

I think the judge was sure about the autopsies. Maybe Watts was on drugs, like PCP or meth. They are not even going to bring charges until the autopsy reports and the attorney general will do that.

You can’t hide common. She definitely had a white trash vibe and where she’s from in NC is full of it. He got hot and wanted a better life without NC white trash wife in CO.

So the conversation they had was her saying she wanted to leave him? I don't believe that or why would she even go back after visiting family? I have no doubt that "business trip" was just her spending even more money on that pyramid bullshit and that probably didn't improve his mood at all.

R312 Seems rational? I thought he seemed like a dumb redneck in his interview. I'm sorry but not being intelligent or articulate can never be hot to me no matter how hard I try to look past it. Not fuckable.

"Do stone cold sociopath family killers confess so relatively quickly and easily?"

Well, if they're found standing in a heap of bloody corpses holding a dripping knife they might, but if the bodies are hidden anyone with a room-temperature IQ knows that once the corpses are in a shallow grave you deny, deny, deny, because it's almost impossible for the police to nail you if they can't find the bodies.

Yet this bozo confessed while the bodies were still hidden, which makes me think that they either had another way to nail him, or someone slammed his nuts in a drawer until he confessed.

Committing triple murders is kind of a boner killer too...

There are cameras everywhere and I gotta think that his workplace has some form of video security and he was likely caught entering the premises at odd hours (disposing of the bodies) and he had no way to explain it. He couldn't keep up the ruse in light of this and folded.

[quote] [R149] Racist troll. Probably in the closet and probably white.

Don't set her off! She's clearly unstable. She may smother all her cats and blame it on a black man just to get attention.

I think he even had his teeth done. Notice the ultra-long canines. A dead giveaway, or so says my dentist.

ABC news has footage of a male neighbor/friend, standing with his wife, crying as he shared his horror that he allowed the killer to spend the night at his home. Wife is stoic, but crying male friend is...what is the correct PC term? "Effeminate" (?)

Makes me think the talk of closet-case psychosis could be more than just a DL fever dream. I mean, these are the same folks who gave us the soft butch sous chef.

The wife thought he was cheating....

R314-It’s very difficult to kill someone. The skin is thick, screams and tons of blood and clean up. Maybe he spiked their drinks with Benadryl or something similar and smothered them, a la that van with the kids that went off the highway and nobody woke up(not sure of this).

Or he just plain poisoned them. Does he have access to chemicals where he works?

Of course he was cheating.

Prosecutors say they believe that Shanann Watts and her daughters, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, were killed inside their home.

Friends Nicholas and Amanda Thayer say that Shanann expressed concerns of infidelity.

Watts was fired Wednesday, the same day of his arrest.

Someone on the Websleuth page pointed out that his right arm is injured, he hides it but it looks like it's in a sling. Also, it's interesting that he says misses telling his kids they can't have dessert if they don't eat their dinner. If that's the thing you're fake reminiscing about, it shows what a control freak you are.

He did look kind of trashy in the older photos. Would the DL have a thread on this if he was still fat?

If it had been a violent triple murder there would be evidence in the house. Drugs and asphyxiation.

Warning: Facebook video of child expressing love to father.

R316, dog help me for being such a snob, but I think both of them were white trash. Of course, they were probably just normal people in their community, and maybe even considered something to aspire to, depending. They thought of themselves as “classy”, though.

I saw her Pinterest, and it’s exactly what I expected. Exactly. They’re a stereotype.

It saddens me to have so many DLers hot and bothered by this at best average looking bastard. Even if he looked like Brad Pitt in his prime the fact he murdered his pregnant wife and two small children SHOULD be a big turnoff.

Bad enough to have bad morales but bad taste as well. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

332’s link literally broke my heart.

This is a video of CW on YouTube giving a speech in 2012 on Communication in Relationships. Doofus.

From her IG: I love this man more than words can say! He’s my Rock, my love, my biggest fan, supporter and my husband! I couldn’t of hand picked a better man to call my husband and father to our girls! He dreams Big with me, he runs hard with me and he is just flat out friggin awesome! I love you Chris so much! Happy Valentines Day! #8yearsandcounting #love #valentinesday #myman #mylove #forever #sappy

I guess Chris couldn't count past 8.

Any IG post that fawning means there’s mucho drama and heartache just beneath the surface.

Okay those dumb patches are NOT FDA approved like so many dumb, scammy, mlm things so perhaps he can blame his snapping on them. He's wearing them in tons of pics so it won't be hard to prove he used them. A good lawyer can get him off on some bullshit twinkie defense type thing. I bet the Thrive people are not happy.

"Shannan also had lupus. There may have been a concern in respect to her missing the doctor's appointment."

If so, that means massive medical bills. Lupus hits young women the hardest. And pregnancy is extremely high risk - for the mother and the baby. A 28 year old woman at my old company died suddenly from a Lupus flare while pregnant.

Perhaps Chris Watts was tired of all the medical drama.

Her maiden name was King. She posted to the video of him on YouTube

The Facebook Thrive ads always seem super sketchy to me, and I dint even know it was an MLM. There's one for a mascara that just looks too good to be true, the lashes like triple in length or something. Not one of the comments are negative. Now I know it's probably the poor shills trying to move this stuff making the cimments, with all others deleted. I hate MLM.

Poor little girls,I hope they didnt feel anything. Financial problems,wife health problems,new pregnancy ,I think he just snapped. They have a lovely supermax prison out there in colorado where he can sit in a 6x9 cell 24-7 in complete isolation and be tortured by the faces of those babies. I hope thats where he ends up.

R342. No, she had a previous marriage to a King.

Yeah. Let’s think about his comfort.

Divkhead.

[quote] I'd take the hot husband over the reporter. Maybe I can write to him while he's in jail and ask for nude pics.

I would have loved to have been the one to strip search him.

R342, her maiden name was Rzucek. She was married to, I think his name was, Leonard King. Divorced and married Murder Man.

R343, my sister is forever buying this crap from her stupid cunt coworkers. (She doesn’t join the MLMs but she buys what they sell, to be nice I guess.). She passes it on to me. Here are my reviews of the products she has given me:

Norwex microfiber cleaning cloth: sorry, I love mine. The mascara: it’s not half bad. Adds volume, makes my eyes itchy. The little fibers fall off after a while and are irritating. Arbonne hand cream: sucks Rodan+Fields: smells good, can’t stick to the regimen. She bought two boxes, which are really expensive. Gave me one.

My mom used to buy the Shaklee vitamins and toothpaste.

Are Avon and Mary Kay MLM schemes?

Yep, he was fat and got hotter, she was better looking at the beginning. God, she had those kids in lularoe shit and all kinds of mlm shit is tagged on her IG, why would she quit an actual job to do this? No way did she make 80k a year from this.

Here, r350. Quick earch and I found this on Mary Kay:

"Mary Kay products are sold primarily for women, by women. But is the cosmetics giant good for women?

Journalist Virginia Sole-Smith, a reporting fellow with the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute, says no. In the August issue of Harper's Magazine, she contends that Mary Kay, founded in 1963 with an initial $5,000 investment by Mary Kay Ash, is less about empowering women than luring them into what the story calls a "pink pyramid scheme" that exploits its salesforce."

Read on at link.

R341, someone posted a photo of her in a neck brace. Basically had vertebrae fused together. Her Pinterest had a few “back and neck” pins.

She was using those stupid patches while pregnant.

There were health issues all over the place.

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R351 - did she bring in $80,000 of income OR net income? I am assuming the former, which means she netted a hell of a lot less.

The older kid has sad eyes.

He very clearly got hotter through the years and was fucking someone on the side (whether that someone was a man or a woman is anyone's guess).

Oh right r355, I didn't even think of that, so she brought in 80k in sales I bet, so netted way less. Yeah agree r356, she's one of those babies that could be 1 or 47 years old. Poor kid.

R356, she did. They saw some shit.

They should also do rape kits on all three victims.

This was Shannan's very last Facebook post. She posted it on August 8th or 9th. It's since been taken down, but someone took a screenshot

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Mary K yes R350, but I don't think Avon is MLM. It's cheap and pretty good stuff, so people don't really need to push it. Mary K is the worst.

In respect to the photo at R361, it's believed that Chris sent this to her via text while she was away.

I'll bet he had already killed the girls.

[quote] God, she had those kids in lularoe shit and all kinds of mlm shit is tagged on her IG,

Welcome to the United States. I hope you master our language soon.

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Holy shit R361 is that a dead kid under that blanket? That's horrifying if she thought that was the kids playing around???

r365 Lularoe is that horrific legging maker that is another of these pyramid schemes. I read all the antimlm things on Reddit so I know them. Lularoe makes horrific, shitty quality, overpriced clothing. IG is instagram, mlm is multi level marketing aka pyramid scheme and it looks like Shanann was in deep with them.

It's a doll R367. He sent her the photo and said the girls did it.

I bet he did it, not the girls. They were probably already dead when he ok that pic and sent to her.

That photo helps prove it was premeditated murder. He most likely killed the kids first, took this photo and played it off as if the kids did it. What a sick SOB.

The photo at R361 was removed from Shannan's Facebook timeline when it went legacy.

It still appears under her photos, under mobile.

Holy fuck R361, that's messed up.

That's a doll, isn't it?

I’ve read the four basic profiles of family killers but always like to understand the psychology and motivation the specific case. My own father was truly terrifying at times - and at 43, I still freeze up when a friend, family member, or my partner lose their temper and yell. I always wondered how far my father would have taken it if he was truly angry or delusionally felt betrayed enough...are these cases always preceded by earlier domestic violence incidents? Or could the victims have never seen this coming?

[quote]Are Avon and Mary Kay MLM schemes?

They are. But, Avon doesn't have a horrible reputation like many other MLMs do. Years ago, Avon didn't pressure reps to recruit more people. One of my mom's closest friends sold Avon to make extra money and to get product discounts. The friend had regular 9 to 5 job as an office manager for health care clinic. She sold a lot of patients at the clinic. But, she never pressured my mom or other people in our circles to join Avon or buy products. She would have the catalogs or pamphlets out for people to look at it and if they wanted something they just filled out an order sheet with. She stopped selling Avon shortly before she retired from the office manager job and this in the early 2000s. I read an article sometime back that Avon is now pushing reps to recruit more people.

These days with social media network sites, MLM reps for various companies use those sites to try and recruit and sell. Over the years, I've seen people on Facebook shill various products and claim they make side income money or that it allows them be at home more.

MLMs like Thrive, Herbalife, and similar companies often target people with chronic illnesses and disabilities claiming that their products can help or cure those issues. A friend of mine was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis several years ago. Her grandmother had it too so she was already familiar with it and the treatments for it. She was encouraged by her doctor to attend support groups and get involved with MS organizations. At one support group she attended for awhile a man claimed that Herbalife was making his symptoms of MS more manageable and that it worked better than pharamaticuals. He tried to get other people in the group to contact an Herbalife rep. Everyone in the group ignored that BS. My friend was later targeted on Facebook by a high school classmate who sells Thrive and the classmate said that my friend's MS could be cured with Thrive. She unfriended that classmate right away.

I suspect Shannann might have recruited for Thrive because she had lupus. The Thrive rep who recruited her might have used some BS claim about Thrive making lupus more manageable or eventually curing it.

R361, the children were alive when that photo was taken; they attended that birthday party after it was posted.

R376, I don’t view Avon the same way as other MLM things, either.

People actually seek out Avon, the skin so soft helped with fleas and people love the old retro perfume bottles, etc. We have had threads on Avon and I love looking at the old things they sold. No one will ever be looking for any fucking Thrive or Lularoe shit in 30 years.

Something tells me that this was an impulse killing, not premeditated.

Thanks for the insightful post r376

I agree r379, I can't imagine how much she spent at that Scottsdale conference but I bet it was enough to piss him off and make him wonder when they'd finally see a fucking profit from this! I really hope this company takes some kind of hit. I do think the people who get involved are idiots too and would never be taken in by this shit but she probably did think this would help her lupus somehow.

What gets me is how stone cold calm he was in that interview on his front porch, the day after he murdered his wife and kids and dumped their bodies. No emotion whatsoever, just chatting away. Scary.

I volunteer to craete a fictional Hot Frau personality. to become his prison pen pal. We will get to the truth!

(We might need a fictional Hot DLer pen pal personality, to see what he responds to.)

Sorry, he seems like a dumb redneck. Not hot at all,

Facial hair + tats + pickup truck = TRASH.

Do it! Do it! Do it! R383!

[quote] Hot Frau

I have a hunch he might be after something else and he'll have plenty of that in prison.

He looks like the kind of guy who regularly jacks off and shoots directly into his own mouth.

So from the post above it sounds like his wife was about to get dropped by her MLM employer and was wildly spending money they didn't have. Perhaps he thought this was a disease she and the daughters shared and that's why he killed them and stuffed them in a tank full of gas.

MLM's don't lay anyone off though, they don't need to, the people buy from them, store it at their own cost and if they sell it or not the company doesn't care because they already got paid.

COUPLE WHO DEFENDED CHRIS WATTS 'HAD NO IDEA' Nick and Amanda Thayer took in Chris Watts when his family went missing. The couple is in shock after learning that he's accused of killing his pregnant wife Shanann and two young daughters.

Author: Jordan Chavez, Janet Oravetz Published: 08/17/18 FREDERICK — A couple who let Chris Watts stay at their home after learning that his wife Shanann and daughters Bella and Celeste were missing said they never suspected a thing.

"They were family. They spent Thanksgivings with us and 4th of Julys and all the holidays," said Amanda Thayer about the couple. "It's just unreal."

Shanann, Bella and Celeste were reported missing Monday. Nick and Amanda Thayer welcomed Chris Watts into their home during the search for the trio.

Bodies believed to be Shanann, Bella and Celeste have been located, according to investigators. Chris Watts has been arrested and faces charges of first-degree murder, according to police.

The news came as a complete shock to the Thayers.

"Had we had any inclination that we thought he was involved at all – no way would I have let him in my house with my wife and kid," Nick Thayer told 9NEWS reporter Jordan Chavez Thursday night.

Now they're left wondering how to tell their 5-year-old daughter that her friends are gone.

Their neighbors, who had them over for Thanksgivings, took in Hot Hubby whenthe story broke, and now have the family dog, Deiter.

[italic]Is the femmey, weeping neighbor husband, Nick Thayer, the secret lover??[/italic]

GIVE HIM THE TRUTH SERUM!

I wouldn't consider Avon a MML because it actually sells products that people use, cosmetics. Most MML sell placebo and shit with no actual use, some are just outright scams to sell zero products like pamphlets and brochures.

Do they plan to eat the family dog, in revenge??

R392 Avon is one of the original MLMs. It doesn't have anything to do with how useful the products are, it has to do with the way the company and its employees/contractors are structured.

Agreed R379, but I bet he'd fantasized about it previously. He seems like a narcissistic control freak so he probably thought on some level he might get away with it.

What kind of pron was he looking at? I bet he will have some secret pron addiction.

Someone on IG is already swooping in to take her customers: I want to try thrive now! ms.judylee@_moonsage, Me too! Signing up tomorrow ohhsoosteamy_@_moonsage might wanna find another distributor... she passed away :( ohhsoosteamy_@ms.judylee ^^ _moonsage@ohhsoosteamy_ ??? Huh ohhsoosteamy_@_moonsage shannan passed away... aqu.eminiI hope this business continues in your honor.❤ I would love to subscribe! aqu.eminiRest in Peace sweet lady! 👼👼👼👼

[quote]r390 Shanann, Bella and Celeste were reported missing Monday.

I'm still convinced someone killed them cuz of their annoying names.

This is horrid and the cliff diving crazy lesbians family annihilation was horrid x10.

How embarrassing that people share every little life detail on FB. All of their posts are cringe worthy.

[quote]People actually seek out Avon, the skin so soft helped with fleas

Is this a typo or does Avon Skin So Soft really help with fleas?

It really does r401.

R384 turned my stomach, obvious trash.

R100 He looks like The Mooch.

Avon is an MLM but unlike the more predatory ones (Amway, Herbalife, Lularoe) it doesn’t require its sake people to carry inventory. That is- you don’t have to buy anything upfront from them that you then have to turn around and sell. Most of these MLMs require you to not only buy inventory, but to regularly buy it each month regardless if you can sell it in return. It’s like you fee for being in their club.

That mascara from Younique (another bad MLM) is nasty stuff. Don’t know why anyone would stick that shit near their eyes.

*salespeople not sake

None of you understand Chris. Of course he's going to come off as stiff: HE'S GRIEVING!

I just pray with [italic]all my soul [/italic]none of you ever end up in a case of mistaken identity and police brutality like this.

I understand him r407, the same thing happened to me, clearly a Manson copycat, and my whole family was wiped out.

[quote]People actually seek out Avon, the skin so soft helped with fleas and people love the old retro perfume bottles, etc. We have had threads on Avon and I love looking at the old things they sold. No one will ever be looking for any fucking Thrive or Lularoe shit in 30 years.

R376 here. I agree on Skin So Soft and that was one of the products my mom always bought from her friend. Some of Avon's other skin care products are decent products. As a teenage girl, I bought some of lip glosses and perfumes which were good quality. My mom still buys Avon products, but from the online store.

I think Thrive or Lularoe will probably die off at some point. Lularoe has a shitty reptuation and it's quite expensive to buy in to. Some former Lularoe reps have been suing the company.

This is the quintessential MLM/hun posting. Because they never make any money but they don't want to give up so they rationalize it with stupid shit like this. Except walking is free and helps you to do things, unlike buying shitty fitness patches. Also, the child isn't 500k in debt from walking lessons.

Did this guy really just snap one day without warning? Otherwise, how could he ever have thought he'd get away with it. The husband is always the prime suspect. And if growing debt was keeping you awake at night, then imagine the guilt a man would feel after killing his entire family. Only a sociopath would go ahead with it...but there were no signs prior to this?

Damn, I thought for sure that Nick Thayer was trans, but I went to his Facebook page and there are photos of him in "boys' clothes" all the way back to babyhood. Wow.

Husband pings

r409 Yes! And they even bring the stuff right to you, it was so convenient and yes, no pressure. Ours was a workmate too, she brought in the catalog, and left it in the breakroom and the products sold themselves. These new MLMs are so goddamn high pressure and horrific, some of the memes in the Reddit anti mlm sub are just fucking passive aggressive and obnoxious and the preying on sick people is the worst. There are some reps who actually say, "if your hubby won't let you buy any more (insert name of shitty product here) just talk to me about how I can make it show on your credit card as school supplies" or something to that effect.

Shannon's social media is obnoxious. I guess building the facade of the perfect family was a way of reeling in more mlm recruits. But all the "patch" photos are annoying af. She probably had to buy piles of that worthless stuff and store it in her garage until she could unload it. But then, if you're trying to recruit all your friends and acquaintances into becoming salespeople, who's left for you to sell to?

[quote]R414 There are some reps who actually say, "if your hubby won't let you buy any more (insert name of shitty product here) just talk to me about how I can make it show on your credit card as school supplies" or something to that effect.

Husband Won't Let You Buy Lip Gloss = Divorce

r415 So she and her daughters and unborn child deserved to die for that?

R410 that is an incisive and grim linking of the pic, sentiment, and her life. Shudder.

The wife's cloying and treacly posts about what a perfect husband and father he was, her soulmate, how lucky she was etc. are quite disturbing. It is all so over the top. Indicating, as several others have said, that there were serious dysfunctions going on behind closed doors. It's simply a truism that the more one goes on about what a perfect ANYTHING they have, that the opposite is likely true. Usually people just roll their eyes and know that that shit is exaggerated but...it also doesn't usually end in a triple murder.

I always wonder if the victims had any remote clue that they were in danger. Did the husband have rage fits or show anger in private? Was he controlling? And so the wife ramped up the "perfect family" posts in response? Was it that the more he threatened, the more she doubled down to keep it all hidden? Until disaster happened? As others have said, Keith Morrison must be salivating to get at this story.

Listen nobody things the wife or kids deserved this but we would like to figure out how fucked up that couple was.

*thinks

r419 Just like a million other "Facebook Fraus" who want to paint a perfect portrait of their desperate lives.

R419. This was deeply discussed here, about the lesbian killer moms and the disconnect between social media and their horrid slave quarters and starving their children.

r419 I wonder that too. This guy's wife did know he was having an affair and told him she would not give him a divorce, I think she even said if anything happened to her it was him. She probably didn't really think he would do it though.

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Imagine being a kid and one of their former neighbors.

Do the parents tell their kids, that the Daddy next door snapped and murdered their friends, and their friends' mommy?

R425 That is tragic. She was stupid but clearly not stupid enough to be deluded how horribly she was failing.

[quote]r426 Do the parents tell their kids, that the Daddy next door snapped and murdered their friends, and their friends' mommy?

I am planning to phrase it more like, "Daddy's next door lover has a little problem..."

They underestimated Chris...

How does Avon deal with occasional sellers then? I don't get it. Isn't it the whole point of pyramid scams that you stockpile shit prior to selling to advance into the pyramid? The way most people describe Avon it's just regular business, you buy what you want to resell or sell based on orders.

"And Oh, those pesky OIL TANKS."

[quote] Momtrepreneur, wife and 80K VIP LeVel Promoter

Yet this lady was broke according to records, her instagram is indeed MLM in a nutshell.

r417, why on earth would you say--or even think--that?

When my son was in Middle School, one of his classmates was bludgeoned and stabbed to death, along with his mother, by his father who then slit his own throat and left this note: "I've been eaten alive. Vladimir. Just remember that I am exist. The davil." (sic)

It was big news in Silicon Valley as the murdering father was the co-founder of Tetris, and had loads of financial problems. Many of us conspiracy theorists suspected Russian mafia revenge.

For R426, my son's school held a school-wide assembly to reassure the children... that their own parents would probably not do the same to them. I really don't know what they could have said that would make sense or give comfort.

If he was cheating, that person is probably having a meltdown right now. The most poignant comment I've read about this case came from a British DM reader. Basically that the American dream is no longer to have a job and a comfortable home with a white picket fence, but it now means having an impressively and excessively large house and an expensive late-model car.

The quick interview with the couple that let Watts stay overnight during the search had a short comment that he'd been worried about infidelity. I'll bet it comes out the wife was getting busy at those MLM sales conferences.

Well the British DM reader doesn't know that the American dream is actually graduating from college without being upwards of 60,000 in debt and finding an apt where you are not sleeping in the living room on the pull out couch.

If he was worried about infidelity, the douchenozzle was probably the guilty one: projecting.

I’d modify the Daily Mail commentary at r435 to add a hot gym body to the list of aspirations. The good job isn’t necessary either if you can get rich quickly in a MLM scam like these folks were trying to do.

Sometimes I think, maybe he is innocent?

I don't think hiding your murdered family's bodies on your job site is very smart.

I wouldn't know what the best plan is...but it's not that.

But would you think it if you didn't want to suck his cock, R441?

[quote]I don't think hiding your murdered family's bodies on your job site is very smart. I wouldn't know what the best plan is...but it's not that.

Fucking arm chair quarterbacks.

[quote]The way most people describe Avon it's just regular business, you buy what you want to resell or sell based on orders.

Not all MLMs are pyramid schemes and vice versa, just the vast majority. And no, Avon doesn’t operate the way most of them do.

r441 = Burke Ramsey

Close friends of Shanann Watts horrified they welcomed accused killer into their home. "No remorse..."

Haven't read the threads, but watching CBS Evening News covering this and learned it was the husband/father. Called it the first time I saw the news a couple of days. Why do they think they can get away with it? It's almost always the husband/wife. This guy couldn't even muster the crocodile tears.

If anyone wants to learn more about how MLMs prey on people watching the documentary, "Betting on Zero" if you have Netflix. It's about how Herbalife reeled in people into the scheme and many times the reps were left with tons of crap products in their homes that they couldn't sell.

I am patiently waiting for his Amber Frey to be revealed.

In this case, the killer's plan was slightly thwarted, r448. His wife's plane was delayed. Her best friend called the police the following day after 10 hours of silence, and the police showed up at the house 10 minutes before CW was able to get back in the house for final 'staging' purposes. According to someone who knows the wife's friend, the wife's cell phone was found hidden behind one of the sofa cushions.

CW gave a terrible and very long interview to a journalist (prior to arrest), absolutely no emotion, calm, smiling in parts, rambling on and on about police activities, defensive body posture, rocking side to side as he spoke -- as some posters have said, even a 10 year old could see he was guilty.

The couple had been apart for 6 weeks as she was away on business. The wife had confided in her friend that she suspected infidedity. There are probably other signs but those are the major red flags at this point

Oh, and they were to due to show up at court on Aug 25 in response to a lawsuit for non-payment of a housing fee. They had previously declared bankruptcy in 2015 but were still carrying debt in excess of over $400,000. And she was 15 weeks pregnant with their son.

R442, Well, the San Francisco Bay is not the answer.

"Something tells me that this was an impulse killing, not premeditated. "

I agree, if it was premeditated then he would done a better job of covering his tracks, but as it is the wife's friend called the police the same day and the police figured it out so quickly they forced a confession out of him before the bodies were found. He really did a half-assed job of it, which makes me think that there wasn't a lot of premeditation, just a lot of hatred.

Did the wife leave the kids with him at home for 6 weeks?

Sounds like it, r454.

I watch Dateline and 48 Hours and it's scary how many men decide that he needs a life w/o a wife - those shows are built on that premise. It's crazy how many stories depict men who sleep next to their wives at night, playing loving husband, while planning her murder. Then they show the relative or friend who are bewildered at the fact that this guy was able to hide this darkness and they never saw it.

Recently one of those shows had a story about a guy who hired his employee (ex-jailbird) to murder his wife while he was at a poker game. They planned for weeks that the guy would slip into the house and attack the wife, making it look like a random home invasion, and hubby could have the perfect alibi of being in a roomful of people. I mean, this guy kissed this woman goodnight for weeks, all the time counting down the days until she was killed. I forget if he had a GF on the side (probably!) or he was looking for an insurance payday (also probably). Either way, COLD!

^ So what? He's their parent. But maybe staying at home with the kids while wife was away on business was too emasculating for him.

[quote]r451 The wife had confided in her friend that she suspected infidedity.

[quote]r454 Did the wife leave the kids with him at home for 6 weeks?

I really wonder about guys like this, guys who barely bother to cover their tracks. It's like they think they have the right to kill their wives and kids if they get in the way, and deep down they believe that everyone else should just accept the murder.

A lot of monsters believe that everyone else secretly shares their desires, pedos and pervs believe that everyone else secretly wants some of that sweet young unwilling stuff and the people who condemn them are just repressing their natural desire for jailbait. Same for abusers, they think everyone else is abusing their dependents or wants to, and sociopaths and psychopaths probably think the same way. They probably think that everyone else is just faking all those feelings and beliefs in morality, and that if they're ever arrested for family anhilation the homicide detectives will wink and say that sometimes a man's just got to make a fresh start.

Maybe leaving the kids with him was a strategy to impede his cheating and he felt resentful, plus emasculated every time he had to tell someone his "wife's away on business" while he's home with kids. Plus I agree about the type of Family Killer he is: the kind that views wife and spawn as status symbols.

Both of them seem vapid, empty people but males are so much more likely to annihilate.

R457 Well you would think in 2018 it would be "so what" but it's not. That's highly unusual. And I don't know any mothers that separate from children that young for that long. (except in cages on the border)

No she had been to see her family for awhile and the kids were with her, then she went on a "business trip" for the weekend and left the kids with him.

R447 The bald neighbor daddy. What's his story? He's a bit odd.

Ah thanks, R462.

So he couldn't handle being House Dad for one weekend. That's even worse.

That neighbor daddy isn't gay?

I don't understand anything anymore. When did straight daddies turn into such effete weirdos? Jared Kushner is another one. Odd.

The kindest explanation is he killed the wife in an argument...then figured he had to remove the kids, too, because they witnessed or knew something.

He might not have initially planned on killing them all, but then he already had blood on his hands, and started scrambling (?)

For some weirdos, I imagine it tumbles into pure self preservation at some point.

[quote]I agree, if it was premeditated then he would done a better job of covering his tracks,

Or maybe he’s just an incompetent moron. He was in crazy debt, had already declared on bankruptcy, couldn’t even go 2 days without confessing, and behaved so guiltily in that time that it was obvious even to tv viewers. I’ll bet he’s been thinking about it, if not planning, for a long time.

It does r467, it totally does!

Did you notice he stated, ‘the house misses her?’

[quote]Recently one of those shows had a story about a guy who hired his employee (ex-jailbird) to murder his wife while he was at a poker game. They planned for weeks that the guy would slip into the house and attack the wife, making it look like a random home invasion, and hubby could have the perfect alibi of being in a roomful of people.

Hubby apparently came up with this plan while watching "Dial M for Murder" on TCM.

A well placed ransom note would have done wonders.

That neighbour guy looked like he was absolutely heartbroken. If they weren't having an affair, then I think he was secretly in love with him. Seriously, if you look at his face that's more than just shock at his neighbour being a psycho.

OMG!

Maybe HE'S the Amber Frey!

r474 wins this thread!

Watts job is in two skyscrapers. But being an “operator” means standing around in the heat. I don’t get why he would put the bodies there of all places. There are workers everywhere. 4000, I think. He could have drowned them but putting them in a petrol tank ? Sure way to get caught. Maybe he lost his mind after he killed his family.

Come on, Chris Watts is hot enough he could do way better than that neighbor.

R473 I think any normal person would be extremely traumatized to find your neighbor and friend was able to murder his family and stay with you showing no signs of remorse or the homicidal act he just committed.. I would question my safety and my instincts everyday for a long time. Serious PTSD.

I hate neighbor mommy's COACH sunglasses.

A garrote fashioned from household gadgets always does the trick.

[quote]seems like a crime of passion, in that he didn't think it through beforehand.

Pure nonsense.

His lack of affect at interviews indicates he had been planning this for months and is not the least bit dusturbed by what he did, as an impulsive murderer, who killed on passion, would be.

He apparently killed everyone at home. And did so without drawing attention from his neighbors. Which is another indication that this crime was carefully planned and not the result of passion.

Her FB Page has been memorialized. And posts and photos have been removed.

Whoever edited her page just happened to leave the five thousand Thrive posts. How annoying is that? She made like ten per day. I'm very interested in seeing where the stupid husband appears. NOT interested in the idiot patches.

Sorry, I had to vent.

[quote]r477 Come on, Chris Watts is hot enough he could do way better than that neighbor.

I plan to tell him this in our correspondence.

Only on DL is this guy hot. The wife is far prettier.

That's a good one, R484! Very funny.

FREDERICK, Colo. — Newly released court documents in the Chris Watts case obtained by Denver7 suggest his two young daughters may have been strangled.

MONSTER.

[quote]Recently one of those shows had a story about a guy who hired his employee (ex-jailbird) to murder his wife while he was at a poker game. They planned for weeks that the guy would slip into the house and attack the wife, making it look like a random home invasion, and hubby could have the perfect alibi of being in a roomful of people.

This reminds me a bit of the Randi Trimble murder case. Randi was married to a guy who had a co-worker/friend kill her while he was out at a restaurant with other friends. The guy who killed the wife waited for her to come home and he killed and threw stuff around to make it appear that it was a burglary gone wrong. I can't remember how the police nabbed the husband and the friend. The husband told police that his wife was too controlling when it came to money.

I think he looks hot, especially in pictures that zoom on his face. His dark, well trimmed beard is also bound to be popular with gay men. Admittedly, he doesn't impress much in his orange uniform. He looks frail and short.

The wife is just a Florida ditch pig.

I know at least three women who got pregnant just before their divorces to increase alimony. They already had a kid to two. They were very dishonest about their feelings and sometimes would ask us single girls “do you think what I did was ok?” Then they pushed for divorces and all of them are rich and have custody of the babies and huge houses. When money is short, that’s no time to get pregnant. Crappy job, three kids, needing sex someplace else. It’s all bad stuff.

I meant a kid “or two”.^^^

r489 Ugh, his eyes aren't aligned, the left eye is higher giving them a beady and crazy look.

R490 you don't get alimony for children. You get child support. And the average custodial parent doesn't get nearly as much as it takes to raise a kid. Your friends sound stupid.

[quote]Only on DL is this guy hot. The wife is far prettier.

Remember, the mussy wants what the mussy wants.

[quote]r490 I know at least three women who got pregnant just before their divorces to increase alimony.

Why didn't the husbands get off their asses and get vasectomies? Aren't they reversible?

Men aren't "trapped" into pregnancies when they control their own birth control.

No. My friends were very smart and manipulative. One is a doctor with a family apt. on Park Avenue. They loved their husbands’ money and maybe they wanted the extra child support because the men were very wealthy. And the women had the best lawyers. They were not average “custodial parents”.

I can bet this final “emotional conversation” was about divorce.

R490 is right. I too have known a few women who got knocked up on purpose right before a divorce.Inevitably it was what ended the marriages as the husbands did not want more children.

Well, she's not getting any child support now.

R490- Just telling you what I know. I don’t know why anyone did or didn’t get a vasectomy. All I know is that the divorce talks became very serious after the pregnancies were deemed viable.

Okay, DLers this is the Amber Frey type we're looking for: Tiny blonde, messy Meghan Markle hair, cross-eyed and angry jawline.

I'd take less money over another child but that's just me.

He looks a bit like DL Instagram fave Max Emerson to me. I’m hoping he sent dick pics to someone and they get leaked

Even with this case being national news and a primer for what not to do, I bet in less than 2 months there'll be another man on tv pleading for the safe return of his missing wife, then it comes out he killed her. They will never learn. Family killers and hot car amnesiacs who forget they left the child in the back seat.

Fathers' Rights troll at r490.

[quote]Why didn't the husbands get off their asses and get vasectomies? Aren't they reversible?

Yes, why don't they follow through some irreversible procedure that would cut some internal organs instead of trusting their wives to do something as reversible as taking a pill? These men must be challenged on their privilege!!!

It is rumored he was banging someone else. She found out and was planning to leave. The old, sick, if I cannot have you no one can, coupled with fuck the first family, just a ball and chain. In the interview on the porch, stop the video where he mentions the two preschooler girls by name. His look is classic disgust/hostility. These were not tiny humans to him, just some things in his way. He had been planning this for a while, took steps to locate bodies where smell would be disguised, etc.

Agree, R503, but the media always casts it as --he was driven to it by a custody BATTLE--rather than holy shit, these people were right to be afraid of a homicidal maniac. The system sure failed to protect them! Listen, you will never hear the reality described. All it does is spur these MRA types on, they are the REAL victim, always and everywhere. Wish the brother of the deceased COULD get 30 seconds with him.

Ana Darko

R503, What about the endless parade of female teachers who fuck their underage male students? There's at least one a week in the news.

A list which is still pages shorter than that of male teachers, coaches, and priests caught raping underage kids.

What about all the Starbucks and nail salons on every corner in Manhattan. Every corner I tell you.

r508 is an MRA troll.

R504 I’m no troll. I’m just an ordinary female. I believe in parents’ rights, not lying, manipulation and murder. The money I have is enough and I would not want an extra kid for more cash.

Has CW parents made any statements?

No but wife's parents have arrived in Colorado. I wonder if they made it to the arraignment and what they think of their daughter's "rock".

"Parents' Rights" is code for Fathers' Rights, which falls under all that MRA shit. You're no "female."

Back on topic: Chris Watts is fug and that big freckle on his forehead is distracting.

Psychopaths think like this, when someone loses its purpose you eliminate them. Unlike popular belief, not all psychopaths are smart criminals, as a matter of fact there's no correlation between being incapable of empathy and being smart, it so happens that the smart ones commit perfect crimes, till they're caught while the dumb ones do harmless acts.

My sister in law got pregnant with a second child so my brother would not divorce her or she'd get more alimony and they're still together living their miserable lives today and my niece is now 9. That's the oldest trick in the book.

[quote]r497 it was what ended the marriages as the husbands did not want more children.

So why did they put themselves in a position to have more children?

^Cuz condoms don't feel as good.

I hope they play that video of his daughter singing about her wonderful daddy on a non-stop loop in his cell for as long as he is in there. Don’t forget that he also killed his unborn son as well as his daughters.

R517 R497 R508 You're all wacked. Some loon woman might do this but your conspiracy theory is not the norm. Despite what you might think women don't love being pregnant especially with a man who doesn't want them any more for a measly 50 dollars a week in child support.

My brother’s ex-wife encouraged him to have a vasectomy saying how great it would be not to be on the pill and how great their relationship was going. She filed for divorce four months after the procedure - ensuring no demands on his wallet from future kids with someone else. Shrewd and cunty, but in hindsight may have been doing him a favor. Women however don’t seem to be very interested in LTRs once they find out...

Women might not love being preggers but they sure love the attention that comes from it.

He should have taken control of his own body/destiny and frozen samples of his semen with a clinic.

In fact, had this really happened, his physician would have recommended it.

^^ for R522

Some women become addicted to being pregnant: attention, fewer demands, being cared for. Munchausen-by-bad decision. 😆

How dare you r523!

According to Yahoo News, she believed he was being unfaithful.

Female subordinate, or Grindr hookup?

Way to stereotype R523. I didn't love being pregnant or the attention. Who wants randos grabbing your stomach or telling you what to eat or drink? Fuck right off with that.

...Besides destroying your figure....

It's entirely possible he killed her and the children in self-defense. She could have been training them to off their father. There were known Yakuza connections.

Getting pregnant also could be a way to keep the family together. Many people do this and regret it later.

R531, did you forget your meds?

Telling that in our society a man can kill 4 of his closest family and discussion of it is just an opportunity for misogyny and MRA spew.

Incels want to kill women cuz they envy people like this dude, this dude just wanted to pull a Bruce Jenner and bail on family after family. Her brother and parents loved her and those kids but he literally wanted to erase them from the earth. So sad.

Where did the info come from that they met on the internet? Guess another case of you lose him the way you get him.

Leaving a monster is the time a woman is most likely to be killed.

Only a gay person out of touch with the straight world and living in a bubble would find something as common as women getting pregnant to keep a marriage or to increase alimony something uncommon and wacky.

Bitch, stop going to bath houses and get back to reality. This is the most common thing on the planet.

Yes, women never enjoy attention, power, or the ability to manipulate. Women are not human. They're saints and don't know any human passions like vanity and the will to dominate.

R533 = typical humorless lezzie who can't spot sarcasm or understand jokes.

It's known also that women can use the fat of an unbaptized child to create flying potions. They use this to travel to witches' sabbats, where they gain further power over men. She could have been having the new baby because she needed to recharge her talisman of control, and the last batch of flying ointment she made had gone off.

^^ Took the words right out of my mouth

[quote]or she'd get more alimony

Once again, you don’t get alimony for kids.

Someone posted on Websleuths that SW told someone that CW had messaged her out of the blue during a difficult time in her life, r533. She said that she messaged him back thinking 'I'll never met him and now XX years later we have 2 kids."

R533, I had read that she accepted a friend request from him on FB. I’d love to know more, but scrolling through the Thrive shit on my phone is taking forever.

That's the gist of it, r541.

Alimony, child support, who cares, the idea is the same. STFU.

[quote]r540 'I'll never met him and now XX years later we have 2 kids."

What does that even mean?

I think it means “I thought I’ll never meet him”.

I am sure his past differs from that of Mr. Rogers...

Preying on strange women on the internet at a time they are esp vulnerable is not being a rock or a Prince Charming, it is selecting a victim. Dude has always been a monster, he put up a mask in the relationship, until it no longer served him.

Wish her brother had gotten a crack at him while the 4 were alive. Waiting for details about insurance or his side piece to come out. Watch media, including NPR, push the driven to it narrative.

How does that line go? Men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them.

Why does she stay, she should leave, etc begs the question that society will not protect you at the time you are most vulnerable to murder. In fact the useless piece of paper of a restraining order is likely to up the odds that your life will be ended.

Men need to be held accountable, especially by other men. Even on this thread, posters are casting women as the predators and this dude as somehow less than 100% responsible for the deaths of 4 people. Four people who should have been able to look to HIM for protection from harm, you know, what husbands and fathers, men who are decent human beings, do. Her brother suffers no confusion on this point, she should have married someone like him.

It was a quote lifted from a SW message describing how they met r544. The original message was posted on Websleuths message board and I didn't take much notice of it at the time I read it. But I remembered enough about the message to confirm it was via FB and it was a tough time in her life when he contacted her. And she messaged him back never thinking he would respond.

[quote]r545 I think it means “I thought I’ll never meet him”.

More ominous reading is "I've thought 'I've never met him,' and now XX years later we have 2 kids."

Too bad she couldn't spell. We'll never know WHAT she was blathering about.

I bought an eyebrow pencil from Thrive after seeing an ad on Facebook a few months ago. Their pitch was proceeds from their “causemetics” was that with purchase they would donate to a “woman in need”. As vague as that claim was, I fell for it and bought their piece of crap eyebrow pencil which literally added no color at all to my brows. It was like a wax pencil, invisibile ink. The brow brush at the end of the pencil is all I use. Worthless. Lastly, a co-worker just bought a Rodan and Fields cream to help diminish wrinkles (she is 28). Now her face is breaking out like a teenager and it’s probably from the new face cream. Too bad there are no regulations on these scam MLM products.

Correction: "..thinking he would **never** respond."

When was the last time the kids were seen alive? If they were staying with him while wife was away is there a chance he killed them first and then killed wife when she got home and discovered them?

I also wondered if he planned to blow up the gas tanks he put the girls in. Start a huge fire at the work site to try and burn the evidence and then go on the run. But nosy neighbor friend called the cops too quick so he couldn’t finish his plan.

r551 Retin-A also causes breakouts when you first start using it. Maybe the cream works the same way?

Relationships are complicated. No one is blaming anyone 100%. This is not about numbers...just the facts as they happened. We’re just looking at the behaviors and factors that ended up in these murders. You never know who you’re marrying or what your breakup will be like or will you live or die.

R550- Maybe he targeted her or thought she was cute. It’s definitely ominous.

r545 I think it was "I thought, "I'll never get him! but now we have 2 kids" like he was unattainable but lucky gal, she landed him!

I would hit that over and over again , if he was not a pysco

[quote]r556 I think it was "I thought, "I'll never get him! but now we have 2 kids" like he was unattainable but lucky gal, she landed him!

She had a great ass, but it couldn't last forever.

From what I read in more than one source, psychopaths are more likely to kill women than non psychopathic murderers.

This means that a lot of the problem behind such murders, targeting women, is not social or cultural but clinical. Women’s murders are not simply socialized by Teh Patriarchy to kill women. Instead, they're wired from birth to be predators.

And psychpaths are well known for NOT absorbing social values. Just having men hold their (psychopathic) buddies to account would do nothing to solve the issue of wife-murder. And honestly, I fail to see how Chris Watts is not being held to account. And let's not pretend that society doesn't care when relatively attractive, white women and girls are victims of tragedies or serious crimes. The victims are being mourned like few others would, and their story is garnering interest that a darker skinned or poorer family wouldn't.

Chris Watts is likely psychopathic. His flat affect through the whole ordeal is a good indication of it. For people who hate men, it's tempting to place the blame on all men, for not holding one another into account and allowing people like Chris to kill their families, or whatever nonsense they're trying to say. But all men could scold or beat Chris and he wouldn't change how he feels about all this, because he is wired to NOT feel remorse or respect for anyone.

[quote]R559 Chris Watts is likely psychopathic. His flat affect through the whole ordeal is a good indication of it.

Can socio- and psychopaths hide their nature from spouses and kids?

Wouldn't you notice after years your spouse had "flat affect," an inability to truly bond with others, etc?

I'd find that scary.

R554, except you a prescription for Retin A, not Rodan and Fields face cream.

CW is most likely a psychopath, r560. A sociopath may show small signs of remorse that a psychopath is incapable of.

So do we think he's just an idiot or did the cops grill him pretty hard? Because he fucking put them inside Strickland Propane tanks so he went to some trouble, but then he copped to it right away, practically. Did he feel bad? Or do they have him on video? Because even if they knew it was him they never would have thought to look in those tanks.

Remember r560 that Ted Bundy worked for a suicide hotline and according to Ann Rule, he was pretty good at it. I think they can mimic what they need to do and probably even do feel emotions, they can just easily detach from them when it suits their needs. Ted also said that guilt was the most wasted emotion there is.

r563 - If you look at the raw footage of CW being interviewed by the journalist (re-posted), you will notice his eyes darting around as he describes in detail all the police activity going on to find his family. He displays no emotion about the plight of his missing wife and children, his mind - his survival mechanism - is solely preoccupied with the whirl of police activity as it AFFECTS HIM. At one point, he smiles as he casually says he'd like them to return home. R

I think this interview and whatever evidence the police found inside the house (as he scrambled back after friend Nicole unexpectedly alerted the police) were some of the key factors in nailing him.

Reporter from video posted above (by Jacquie1.... thank you)

Reading from Court docs,

Mother found in shallow grave. Suggest kids were killed before being put in the oil tanks.

Defense wants access to DNA right away.

DNA would remain on the necks of children despite being in oil for four days.

DNA expert says the nails should be cut and preserved from victims....

Does not specifically say the children were strangled, but the document seems to point to that.

He has scratches on his neck in that video. The guy filming zooms in on then

Correct, r567. Notice also how his right arm doesn't move throughout the interview, only the left arm. Pointing to possible sprain or other injury.

As R566 said, it looks like the kids were strangled and thrown into an oil well where they were immersed in crude oil for four days.

Who does that? And then just goes home like nothing happened,calmly giving interviews and lying to everyone? I’m at a total loss here.

r567 Like this asshole, his wife fought hard, he blackened one of her eyes before he could kill her. It was a hot day but he realized he had scratches on his arm right when the cop did so asked for a blanket claiming he was cold. The cop went along with it but knew he was bullshitting.

Man, when I saw him give that interview, I was like, "Surely he is a suspect" but they never said he was. So I thought the police knew something they weren't saying on TV because he seemed guilty as fuck. Cue getting home from work and he confessed!

He is hot. I hate to say it. His pictures don't do him justice. The video, while creepy, does him justice and he is hot.

What a monster. We better find out WTF actually happened for this to occur.

To me, doesn't come off as guilty in that video so much, as simply dumb. Like someone who doesn't express himself, or simply engage, very well.

Which is unusual behavior, but there ARE quite a few dumb people out there.

^^ oh good good, my punctuation is all over the place there! I was cutting and pasting things around : (

Could Colorado prosecutors seek the death penalty against Chris Watts?

--law enforcement source told 9Wants to Know that Chris Watts confessed to killing his wife and two young daughters; however, previous cases have shown that this does not necessarily mean that he will be found guilty should he stand trial. (confessions have been suppressed if the suspect was coerced or not read their rights.)

For Colorado prosecutors to seek the death penalty, what’s known as “statutory factors” are required, according to Robinson.

--killing a pregnant woman when you know she’s pregnant: that’s death penalty eligible,”

--killing a child under the age of 12 also qualifies for the death penalty,

--as well as “any first-degree murder that’s committed under particularly heinous or grave or cruel circumstances.”

The look of "Maybe this wasn't a good idea."

R575 Doesn't much matter. Colorado hasn't executed anybody in over twenty years. Only one execution since the death penalty was reinstated in 1977.

I read the same thing a few days ago, r577. Interesting.

I didn’t read this whole thread so sorry if this has already been posted.

So why is it when someone murders a pregnant woman, he is charged with the baby's murder, but when a woman aborts a baby, she is not only untouchable but lauded as exercising her rights? I'd say charge both people.

The scent of death: Police dogs and the Chris Watts investigation

FREDERICK, Colo. -- K-9 experts say a cadaver dog may have provided detectives their most important clue in the Chris Watts homicide investigation. Investigators in Frederick, Colorado aren't saying how they got Chris Watts to confess Wednesday but Weld County prosecutors have revealed Watts' wife Shanann and two daughters were killed inside their home.

On Tuesday morning, K-9 search teams were seen going in and out of the Watts home while Chris Watts was providing interviews to the media.

r579 I thought these were better. He's training to strangle someone.

It's called a woman's right to choose R580.

She obviously didn't choose to terminate her pregnancy.

I'm with the MRA troll at r580 except conversely: fetuses should not be counted as an extra person when a preggo woman is murdered.

Maybe there's some legal precedent I don't understand though. Like, does a fetus count as a person in a murder charge if it's only 6 weeks along? I believe women can't get abortions after a certain number of months, correct? So, if a 2 months pregnant woman is killed does the fetus count then?

DL lawyers, tell me.

r579 that is just creepy

It's a womens right to choose but it's not someone elses so I believe killing a fetus should count as an additional charge of some kind.

How far from the house were the victims found?

I agree with r580. It's not consistent with the pro-choice outlook to count the fetus as a victim. Either it is a person or it isn't. It's wholly unphilosophical to count it as a person depending on who's killing it. I'd prefer that fetuses never be treated as people.

People talk about how he didn't have a chance to cover up his crime, the man buried them at his work, what a total jackass.

Channel 9

[quote]It's a womens right to choose but it's not someone elses so I believe killing a fetus should count as an additional charge of some kind.

Ridiculous argument. If the fetus is a person who can be murdered, then there's no "right to choose" because that would imply its murder.

It depends on the jurisdiction R584. Each state can determine what stage of fetal development at death will trigger a homicide charge. Colorado apparently does not charge for killing a fetus that died as a result of the mother being murdered.

I think it's if the pregnancy was part of the motive? Like if you knowingly kill your pregnant wife but maybe in a car accident kill a pregnant woman? The first counts but not the second?

Elder gays will recall the Charles Stuart case. In 1989, he shot and killed his 8 months pregnant wife after a birthing class at a Boston hospital. Told the police a black man did it, it tore the city apart for weeks. When police got a tip that Stuart was the murderer, he took a header into the Mystic River and saved Massachusetts citizens the cost of a trial. BTW, the Stuarts lived three streets away from me in suburban Boston. Charles used to run shirtless all summer in the neighborhood. Totally hot as fuck.

Is “Chris” the new “Wayne”? I can think of three Chrises who murdered their families in recent years- this guy, Chris Coleman mentioned above and Christopher Vaughn from outside Chicago who packed his wife and three kids in the minivan in 2010, told them they were going to a water park, and then pulled off the highway and shot them all. He then tried to tell the cops his wife had gone berserk and shot everyone. Never trust a Chris.

Oh can someone start a new thread? Thanks!

Thanks, r595.

Continuation.

R579, you supplied the first shirtless pic.

I'd just say fetuses should be counted after they reach the age abortion is illegal in that state, I think typically 20-24 weeks