La Belle Pace et Rapprochées

Lillian trolling a poor Uber driver in her stories because he can't speak properly 🤦🏻‍♀️

So she is not only childish .... but slightly racist as well.

From the previous thread. In what way is he "being open for the first time ever"? Unless you mean the coming out. Nothing much changed in his ways or his behaviour, at least the part of it visible to the public. Apart from a few obvious haters, no one said anything about him. His boyfriend's friends is another matter, they aren't even his friends, come on. It's not he chose them himself. He got them as an extra baggage when he decided to hook up with M.

in R3 *it's not as if he chose

People keep forgetting that he never decided to come out to the public. He'd have never done this if not for that bastard that outed him in the W article. He was out for family and friends. That's it. I thought the quote "he decided to do it because of AIA and his new boyfriend" was pretty ridiculous in the NY PR article. It was not his choice, the article was another attempt to clear his name. He could've answer nicely in the W interview but he didn't. Instead of saying smth like "gender is not a problem for me or I want my life to stay private for the moment" he got all defensive and got ridiculed. He kind of had it coming. Just remember that he was OUTED (at least for the public). Stop putting him on a pedestal when he had no idea how to handle his sexuality in the public eye. He was too worried he's gonna lose the fangirls and kept trying to hide it.

For 598 from previous thread (the same person referred in R3):

Every time I read one of your posts, I have the distinct feeling that you know/met Lee in person. Is that true?

What do you mean, clear his name? He answered just fine in the W interview. It is really no one's fucking business who he sleeps with, and he revealed more than anyone had a right to know. The public took offense at his supposed defensiveness (he was polite as fuck, he didn't even tell the asshole journalist to get lost and then ignored him being an asshole on twitter again), so I guess later he decided to reinforce the message of being open since he had nothing to lose (the words about dating men have already been spoken).

His sexuality should not have anything to do with the public unless he wants it to. He reacted like any normal human would have reacted to a sudden very rude and intrusive question. He probably used to have some sort of agreement with magazines not to touch upon the subject. But the W journalist has a reputation for forcibly outing people. Lee's team or publicist did not do their job. They should have warned him.

And if he said he wanted to keep his life private he would have gotten just as much shit about it and called defensive.

Maybe that's his actress friend who was so insistent he is the happiest he's ever been. That anon sings the same song.

None of us can really tell if he's happy or not. We don't know Matt privately, just what he reveals about SM. Therefore, it should be left more to those who know the two. most of us here on DL don't like Matt and so nobody can imagine that they are happy!

[quote]It is really no one's fucking business who he sleeps with, and he revealed more than anyone had a right to know. His sexuality should not have anything to do with the public unless he wants it to.

Why does that line of thinking only ever come up with gay actors? Also, it's pretty fucking offensive to reduce homosexuality to bedroom activities only. I see straight people doing that (sometimes with good intentions) all the time and it's so gross. To the vast majority of gays and lesbians, homosexuality goes way beyond that, and includes the sense of community, shared history, culture, current and past oppression etc. In trying to protect him (from what?), you actually just come across as a homophobe.

R10 It's not because anons dislike Matt, come on, it's obvious. They are jealous. Any of them would give their right nut to switch places with Matt right now.

R11 No it comes up with anyone who doesn't want to share their sexuality. Or other areas of private life for that matter.

Lee said it himself, when you grow up queer, you learn to be tough and guarded when people are suddenly interested in your private happenings. I'm quoting him here practically word for word.

I'm protecting him here from people who think they have a right to demand his confessions, and I was enraged at that article and people's reactions to his very reasonable answer. No assholes he doesn't owe you anything, fuck off. Especially straight assholes who think it's easy to be out. And guess what? I'm not straight, exactly why I'm defending him. Now assholes like that journalists are even worse because they are supposed to be on our side. Not gleefully exposing matters people have a right to keep to themselves.

R12 Why wasn't anyone jealous of Richard or other Lee's ex? Many anons dislike Matt because he's a smug bitch asshole. He manipulated Lee to come out, thought Lee'd go public with him but that'll never happen anytime soon. Those 2 interviewer are his friends. They followed each other.

Hey! Matt's mommy, no one's jealous of your sweet pumpkin here. LOL really protective of Matt, are you? Did you wipe his ass too, mommy?

R14 There were exactly the same reactions. There will be exactly the same reactions with his future partners as well. And no R15 I'm a different user and I don't have a definite opinion of Matt. I don't stan him, but I also don't hate him. I need reliable information first.

R14

Damn I don't want to throw dirt at Matt because he might be innocent and completely undeserving of slander but I have to admit I did think of that. It is so weird and suspicious that the journalist sent to interview Lee about AiA was that Moylan person and it was organized with the photos made by Matt's photographer friend. Lee managed to go through his career playing gay character, trans characters, he was giving interviews about Normal Heart, he played a bisexual character for several years and even despite him saying "we are alike", no journalist asked him, hey, does that also include you being queer? Nope, never. It always went smoothly.

And then we have this new relationship that starts with a bit of public exposure in Paris, Lee being there pretty openly, the famous hotel pictures. It seems like any day now they might appear in public as a couple. But no, quite the opposite, Lee is quiet, and the semi-revealing pictures don't appear any more. And then the play begins and immediately a scandalous (as people thought) article follows.

The thing that makes me sad is that Lee did not expect it at all. You can tell from his answer. He never expected to be asked directly. He thought he was safe. He isn't in this business since Monday, he's been in it for 15 years, he knows the drill. Yet he didn't expect it. What really happened there? And why? Why now?

R7 R13 By "clearing his name" I mean clear the whole charade that made him look like a coward and an asshole... (and here's where I get pissed off). He said he never expected a question like that lol Ok, that motherfucker outed him and had no right but I'm asking this: How can you not expect, when you work on a play like AIA, a question about your own sexuality?? Especially when you NEVER EVER talked about it and never ever walked the red carpet with a gf or bf. Especially when you play Joe fucking Pitt. The dude knew smth about him and that's why Lee got defensive. Remember when we were praying the Gods for someone to ask him about RA or his sexuality years ago??? Well, someone did now and it was fucked up but let's not be hypocrites. I think he should've stopped at the tweets. It was more than enough. But no, when he realised that the majority of his fangirls are with him and people support him, he just had to make another joke of an interview to show that he was always oh so loved and supported by his dear FRIENDS.(why do that when you claim you're private and don't owe anybody anything?) He's not that famous that's why tabloids never picked on him, otherwise he'd been out a while ago I guess. It's no one's business? Then why are you here? Just to defend his ass or to know who he hangs out with, who he fucks and all the other gossip? Why don't you just resume to follow him on social media and to the lil information he gives in interviews? The world feeds on gossip love. Everybody wants to know who everybody fucks. Some people admit it, some don't but we all love gossip. I don't like the way he came out either. He's one of the nicest, humble, good people out there and didn't deserve it. No one does. And guess what? Almost everyone forgot about it and people just got back to not give a f about him, exactly like before. gonna leave another definition here tho. HYPOCRITE = Someone who practices hypocrisy, who pretends to hold beliefs, or whose actions are not consistent with their claimed beliefs.

R17 I wasn't there years ago and I would never be praying for anyone to ask him a question he obviously never wanted to answer. Yes I like the gossip. But I don't try to force him to disclose anything, I don't want anyone to hack into his phone or something like that, and I'd never wish a forced coming out on him. And I definitely would never call him names for not wanting to tell everyone about his private matters.

It's ignorant people like you (or militant ones like Moylan) who call him a coward for that.

He spent years in this business with zero questions about his private life. Including LGBT roles. Do you think it's a mere coincidence that a young, attractive actor is never really asked about anything romantic or related to dating even though people don't know who his partner is and fans are curious? It is not. It is an agreement of sorts. For the journalist not to touch that during the interview. So yes, he didn't expect that. If journalist were free to ask such questions, he would have been asked many times many years ago.

Imagine the following scenario: Until the end of AiA everything was fine, but then Lee found out Matt was involved in his forced Coming Out ...

R18 when did I call him a coward or used names to describe him? Do you even read my posts correctly? You know what, I'm just gonna let it go. Don't know what gossip means to you but it's definitely not what you do. You attack every single anon who says smth against Lee, Matt or their friends. It must not be so fun for you. You wouldn't have survived years ago with the trolls, fraus and RA's army hating on Lee's guts. If I knew you are new here I wouldn't have bothered.

R19

Aslaug,

IF Matt really were behind Lee's forced "coming out", I wouldn't want to be in his place! I would change my name, buy an one-way ticket to Timbuktu and spend my time with a caravan; never to be found. That "teddy bear" surely can turn into a grizzly when pissed off!!!

R21 Not really connected since it's more of a testament to his acting skills, but it reminded me of the day a friend of mine decided to watch HACF. I was there and I was saying, well the guy who plays Joe, he has such a lovely voice, low and kind of soft... the video switches on and there he is roaring that famous SHUT UP line and my friend almost drops the coffee. That guy, huh?

Reid is at Lee's farm.Hope Matt's there too. Haha

Wait, wasn't that Reid someone's ex?

Reid is Nick Rosser's bff, he has more posts of Nick than anyone else on his insta. After Nick & Matt broke up he understandably stuck with his friend while remaining on friendly terms with Matt. In the past few months though he's been spending a lot of time with Matt & now Lee. If I was Rosser, I'd be livid my best friend was living the high life with my ex's new man lol! Guess he's another of Matt's friends that cannot resist kissing Lee's ass.

NR and Reid must be up to something. sent the spy to fuck new bf of the ex. LOL

R25 I wouldn't resist kissing his ass either and so would you, don't even try to protest.

But still it is curious. Maybe they are all friendly around there, no drama.

Looked like there're many people there. Look at the mess in the kitchen. That must be a group of guys. When Julian's there, It's all tidy.

Hmmmm? Only 2 blankets and 2 pillows in the backyard at the end of the video.

R25 Matt is incredibly manipulative. I’m sure he’s been coercing all the members of the friend group that he shared with Nick Rosser to join in festivities at Lee’s home as often as possible, to lure them away from Rosser. So eventually Matt will have all his old friends and his new boo while Rosser gets left out. And once again Matt has used one of his friends (in what I call third party boasting) to show that he is at his lover’s country home. This time he’s chosen Reid to show where he and Lee are and what they’re all doing. Matt has gotten Lee to drive his friends’ asses from the city back to his country place to stay until they’re ready to leave and then he also must drive their asses back to the city. Unless the cheap bastards pony up the dough and take the train home. Doubtless. Lee is the host, the chauffeur, the eye candy, he’s the only one that has anything to offer that entire group. They’re using him. If he wasn’t a handsome celebrity with money and a country house they wouldn’t even talk to him. His personality is not why they keep his company. They don’t like Lee for who he is but only for what he has to offer them. His celebrity status feeds their ego, especially Matt’s. Lee is always seeming to have to prove himself to this group. They don’t just welcome him in, he has to earn it by doing favors for them in the form of upstate country getaways at his home, advertising their brands of clothing they are trying to peddle, free theatre tickets, backstage access to AiA. Am I missing anything else? I feel like I am.

Good catch, Matt Stan. 2 messy blankets. Reid sent massage haha. Maybe they went up to take a shower after hot sex. Oh! I love drama.

Ok fuck Reid , Matt is there too, no drama. Lol

Plot twist: they had a threesome.

R30 Okay I know most of them are from NY but why do you think they can't drive? Or call car service.

But you are selling him short. I don't even know him personally but I'd like to chat with him, he seems like he has an interesting personality.

R39 I think this impression of Lee having to prove himself to them comes from him being a solo addition to their group, not the other way around. He brought Matt along to meet some of his celebrity friends from time to time, but there is a never a constant impression of Matt being embedded into Lee's life. Quite the opposite. But I'm not sure it means Lee is being manipulated or forced to prove his worth. I actually think it means Lee is keeping Matt at a bit of a distance despite their long term relationship. Lee is the one being invited and integrated into Matt's life despite them gathering in his house. Not the other way around.

I can make a comparison of visiting someone vs inviting them to your house. (Even though they are in his house but whatever). When you visit someone, it might look like you are only allowed in temporarily or you have to brings gifts to be let in, but at the same time you don't share anything too intimate when being a guest. Your host is the one who let you inside. But if you invite people into your own place, they can see your private stuff, use it. You are more vulnerable, more open. As a guest who is invited into another person's space, you are safer because you are more distanced.

If my comment makes any sense. I tried to describe it as well as I could.

I guess we'll see a sex video soon. Now Matt just posted his naked pic in his story. This is more and more entertaining.

Whose naked pic, his own?

Matt's own naked pic.

Can you tell the pic is taken while on the farm?

Maybe it's an orgy!

R28 Speaking of Julian, she made her Instagram private. Hope one of our DL spies has some insight to what she’s hiding. 😏

R40 just some ig stories of her dog in the park

I think there of them had an orgy on the messy blankets and Matt took his naked picture in the bush, I think, It's blur.

R42 It looks like a reflection.

Every once in a while some of them will make their account private for a day or two just to make Lee’s fans follow them so they don’t miss out on any potential pictures from his house. A lot of his fans just check Matt’s friends’ accounts rather than following them, this is how they get his fans to follow. Apparently the numbers of followers they have is important to them. Many of them have done the private account on and off thing. Another way they use Lee. To get some Instagram followers. Sad but true.

R38 It's a damn video of his own reflection lol not a pic. Here it goes with anons assuming they must have an orgy. I honestly could care less about any of them. I wanna see Lee and only Lee. And that farm is so beautiful... Lucky pussies. Could be that Lee was alone or only with Matt at the farm till now? Interesting how Matt posts smth from the farm at the same time as Reid. Maybe the rumors about Lee spending time alone without Matt at the farm, when AIA ended, were true after all.

Have you seen this video of Matt? His smile is beautiful.

Just noticed what song was playing on the farm when Reid took his video. Curious if it's from Lee's playlist...

R46 it says video not found

Jed Mochs insta shows also Lee's kitchen, a scene during cooking, Lee in a dark blue shirt and Matt's and Lee's feet kissing with the toes

R49 Not so sure it's Lee. He has very hairy hands or could be the lightning. Same for the toes. Unless we see a pic with their outfits... We can't be 100% sure

That's not lee's kitchen. Lee's stove is on the wall, the stove in jed's story is freestanding!

it is not their feet

There‘s only three empty glasses on the kitchen table.

R49 can't fool Lee stans. Don't you know we know him every pore and every inch of his house. Lol

R47 R48

Interesting lyrics, but I want to punch the singer! (lol)

Matt’s new Instagram story shows that they are at Innisfree garden.

He was allowed to put Lee in his instagram story?

Matt’s story only showed part of the gardens. But Reid just showed a picture of Matt and Lee walking there together through the gardens.

I'm still wondering why they always seem to have friends around.

R59

They need a third-wheel to preserve their reputations as chaste boys! (lol)

P.S.: As expected, Lee is sporting his on-vacation beard!

Some friend Reid is to Nick R lmao! Just hanging with your ex & his new man & life is good, you know! Nick liked his pic of Matt too.

R59 Matt likes to show off Lee’s life to his friends and insert Lee where Nick R. used to be. Maybe Lee doesnt like so much alone time with Matt anyway so he lets it happen. As far as it looks from just social media, maybe they don’t get along well enough to be alone much. Or Matt is just so bored in Millbrook that he needs friends around. Does Lee bore him so much?

R54 Ikr. Lee's kitchen & barn have made so many appearances across everyone's other than Lee's social media at this point, it's funny. Lillian even had the bedrooms in last year. It's like a rite of passage for Matt's friends. Reid must have been waiting months for his turn, settled with Nick once plenty time had passed & off he went.

Lee's kitchen in Reid"s IG story looked like it had been raided by a horde of hungry Vikings (and I know what I'm talking about!). What a mess three single men can do!

Whatever happened between nick and matt they’ve obviously made some kind of peace. That’s what you do when you share the same circle group. Anyway I’m happy for lee and matt. Life is good indeed.

R46 Link doesn't work.

R66

The account is private.

Thank you Mr Reid for the photo. They look so in love in that shot btw... Or not😂😂😂 If I show that photo to a stranger, could swear they are just buddies. I love the beard too. Why can't he just post a damn selfie?!?? It's getting so frustrating waiting for Matt's minions to give us a peak 😩 "Life's good" for who tho?

R68 But they are on a walk in a public garden, did people expect Lee to swirl Matt around and then make out with him? Anyway this is a new development. Not a peek of a kitchen, not a blurry figure, but a normal clearly identifiable photo.

R63 Maybe they just have a low key relationship close to friends with sex not a passionate affair everyone imagines.

Look at the new story of Reid

R70

Awwww... They're so cute!!! (The chickens, of course!)

So Matt finally talked Lee into being open on social media once AiA ended and fans stopped stalking him on the streets?

Has Matt hired Reid as their new publicist?

Lee looks so different to me in that video. I didn't even recognize him but the beard is the same so...

R74

Wait! Is that Lee? I mean, there's the beard, but it seems to me Lee was wearing different shorts...

Anyway, IMHO, Lee is not "open on social media" as R72 said. He's open for Matt's friends to use his image in their accounts; I haven't seen no mention on his accounts. Maybe, tomorrow...

That is NOT Lee in the new story!

Sounds like Matt is making plans for the farm. Well, I suppose he does run it as a hotel these days.

Maybe he’s officially moved in

I meant that he now allows Matt's friends to show him together with Matt, not just photos of his place.

R76 Plot twist. How many people are on the farm, then?

R79 You mean TB kicked him out? Unless he does most of his work online, there is no way to commute to NY to back several times a week from that place comfortably. Even Lee who adores the farm was living in NY when he was doing the play.

R76 OH thank God I thought I'm going nuts, not knowing how he looks like anymore😴 R77 Lmaooo but so true. Yeah man, how many people are on the farm? At least 2 at this point (excluding Lee and Matt)

Well so is the bearded guy in the Innisfree Garden Lee or not?

I would imagine they would live in both millbrook and ny. I’m just going by what matt was saying in the video. It sounds like they’re going to renovate or change something at the farm. If he didn’t live there he would say lee is changing this or that. Of course it’s lee R82

Come on . Yes he is Lee This short he use before Also this pic could be take yesterday

And Matt always use white short

R83 I can't make out his words on my phone. Also maybe he avoids mentioning Lee by name since he isn't tagged?

R76 That is definitely Lee. I’d recognize those lips anywhere. lol

R86 he says “and we talked about also on that (pointing) side of...” and he gets cut off. Lee says mmm in agreement

Matt was practically handed the keys & ownership of the farm within weeks of getting with Lee. He certainly has treated it as his own since last Sept/Oct.

Just to think that a year ago I was reading the gossip and thinking, lol that vapid fashion blond won't last until Thanksgiving.

Now it's been a year and they are practically married.

R79 move in ? Including his friends ? Matt can't even stand being there without any of his friends.

The more Lee allows something to be publicised the more things are not what they seem. Remember his strange ig behaviour with the 2 kids from HACF. He was closer to one but never followed her never liked her stuff on IG. His real feelings he buries under 'acceptable' ones. Thisvapid nlond is just a superficial cover for something going on away from public eyes.

R91 But do we really know that?

If Lee is silent, and Matt is not allowed to post anything related to Lee, then unless Matt is seen elsewhere, there is no way to know where he is. He could have spent weeks alone with Lee without any proof surfacing.

If both Lee and Matt don't post anything then the only way to see them spending time together is when there is a third party. So the very fact that there is a third party doesn't prove or disprove anything.

You know what I mean?

I used to think they had a casual relationship. I even said it upthread. Friendship-like, with a lot of social butterfly-ing for Matt, some fun socializing for Lee and sex. But if they have plans to change the house and it's "we plan" not "Lee plans", then it's a very different and much more closer type of relationship.

On the other hand, why was that piece of video chosen for display? Randomly? Or not?

R92 Wouldn't he have a girlfriend right now if he tried to hide behind acceptable things? At least an impression of one.

R92 What do you think that is?

Also R92 there were theories he has a private IG account but I personally think if he had a special account for the public image its handle would have been @leepace and what it is.

In R95 it should be "and not what it is"

R93 Matt'll post something to hint that he's with Lee anyway if he is. He has his way to show off that stuff but we didn't get anything after aia until now and he was on sm like no tomorrow so no he wasn't with Lee at the farm alone imo.

The secret is not on Ig but on twitter

Fact: Lee was alone for at least a week. Fact: Matt was everywhere with his superficial friends on IG Fact: they will be gone this weekend. Fact: whenever Lee feels vulnerable he lets Matt in to ' protect' him. A gay boyfriend is more acceptable than a developing relationship with a fan.

I kind of thought they met mostly on weekends but Lee always made an impression of a lone wolf on me. I don't think he needs people because he is afraid to be alone. I think he likes having people around but he also likes being alone. So it's like, he spends time with people, then he spends time on his own, then back to being with people. Including a partner. I was even told recently that there was a rumor he and AL broke up because she wanted a more standard relationship, living together all the time and so on.

R99 It doesn't make much sense. I'm not attacking you but how can Matt protect him? From what? Matt, in a way, is the one exposing his privacy.

LOL!!!

R102 , @ what?

R63 Going back over posts and this caught my eye. When did Lillian post photos of the bedrooms last year? I don’t remember seeing those.

R104 About one year ago. That‘s how we find Matty boy.

R98 You know, I might be naive but sometimes I get a feeling there is someone on those threads who is kind of an insider. Deliberately tossing in bits of info, some true, some not, confusing things even more. Not sure why. Just a gut feeling. I was bored a few days ago and read some older 2018 threads I missed (I'm not always on DL) and the feeling intensified.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he did have secret accounts, I know a few people who aren't as famous as he is, but still a bit famous, and all but one have two sets of social accounts. The one who is an exception isn't into social media at all so she only has official ones.

Lee knew Reid was filming, they prepared themselves and basically acted a scene for us. It was planned and not a spontaneous moment at all. Let’s see if Lee allows Matt or his friends to finally have permission to take photographs and film other areas of his house and property other than kitchen and barn and field. Lillian showed his upstairs last year because she is rude and disrespectful to him and cannot follow rules. She did similar with his NYC apartment in one of her stories on July 14 and then was forced to remove it. Matt needs his ‘publicist’ minion friends to do his dirty work now that the play is over and he cannot rely on Lee’s stage door fans to post the proof in pictures that they’re still together.

What's so special about the kitchen that it can be photographed but other rooms can't? Though I remember seeing a New Year video he filmed for the fans himself, and I think he was showing his own kitchen in it too. Maybe it's a guest area so it's okay.

R107 Please satisfy my curiosity, when there was a second coming out article in June, there was a photoshoot of Lee in some NY apartment that I guess was supposed to be his, was it the same apartment? I don't need to see the deleted pictures since they are too intrusive, just tell me if you know? Modern and minimalist design, room on the small side.

There is something I don't get about the theory of preplanned videos, though. If Lee doesn't want exposure, why plan such a video at all? Just say, switch off your camera dude, I get enough of that from fans so nope. If he wanted exposure, he would have had some obviously. It's logical to assume he doesn't. His whole behaviour screams about it.

Why avoid exposure and then show small preplanned pieces? Not just random photos your guests snapped because they love instagram and you said okay, but put actual effort into planning and shooting? For what purpose?

R107 "She did similar with his NYC apartment..." you mean the one they talked on weibo that the bed's too small for 2 people in it?

R107 I must have missed those IG stories of hers. Well damn. By any chance did anyone save them? I for one am curious what they had. It’s not like there aren’t public realty photos still up so dunno why she would delete them.

Lee just liked Reid‘s ig post.

What a surprise ! R111. It was posted a day ago and they are at his farm. What took he so long to like it.

He was busy with guests? Now they left and he is finally free to spend some time online?

Matt's on line all the time during his stay at the farm.

R114 How can you tell, is he liking stuff every 15 minutes?

Everybody can tell if not blind, LOL. He lives on ig.lmao

I'm just curious, so if you follow someone on Instagram and keep the app open on your phone all the time, you can tell when they are online and when they aren't even if they don't post pictures or like other pictures?

Matt likes pics, comments on others' post that means he reads all the comments too . Who does that? When I like posts acct I follows I never read the comments but Matt does not only on his own post but also others' .

Lillian didn't post the farm's bedrooms. Those one were a different house's rooms. She only posted the barn and the kitchen, I'm 100% certain. You just need to compare with the online available photos.

She did post the bedroom of NYC apartment not sure it's Matt's or Lee's. She was watching the same series as Gia and They posted the stories as the same time and same scene then Lilian deleted it. The bed in the stories very small. They was a talk how Lee and Matt could fit in if they stay over at that place.

It went from inviting friends over to actually renovating the farm. Good job Matty. Good job. Lee acted differently with each person he dated. I love him so much but it's so obvious he lacks personality it hurts.

Are they really going to renovate the farm ? I'd love to see what Matt going to do with the old classic barn.

R121 but we don’t know how he acted with his other boyfriends. We literally have no idea how he behaved with RA or carter for that matter. They gave nothing away. Fiercely private. How can you tell he lacks personality if you don’t really know his personality in the first place?

R122 hope they share! Love a good house flip lol

R123 Jesus Christ... I'm not gonna do this shit again. We've been talking for 1000 times over the years about how much of a boring and people pleaser person he is. He said so himself. I'm not gonna waste my time now explaining to you why this relationship is different from the others and vice versa or why I think he acts differently. Who wants to understand, understands. Go and read old threads etc Tired of writing poems for anons who think their crush is so perfect and untouchable. He lacks personality and that's a fact. Just take a look at how Matty played him how he wanted over the course of a year. Should be enough.

R125 coming from another long time fan I happen to disagree with you. I know lee isn’t perfect he’s human. I don’t think he lacks personality. As fans we don’t know who lee really is. We can only know he’s friendly, gets on well with his co stars and has a good heart. I know you disapprove of matt for whatever reason but how can you say he played him for a year?! You think lee is that weak. To me they’ve just behaved like a normal couple despite Lee’s unusual job. If you were such a fan you would know he had a shitty break up and was depressed for a while after. I don’t know why you can’t be happy for him. Is that so hard?

R121 What does the possible renovation (which is a huge stretch, that snippet of conversation could be about anything really) have to do with Lee's personality?

R126 Depressed? That's the urban legend created by fans obsessed with his relationship with another celebrity. He looked fine, had fun, ran the famous long distance race and enjoyed exotic traveling. Quite possibly also dated AL at some point. It is not even known when exactly they broke up, much less what kind of break-up it was. There was simply a group of fans who liked to imagine the relationship as a legendary love story and its end as the greatest tragedy in Lee's life.

What's the story with the "2 kids from HACF", by the way?

R127 yes I agree with what you say. I thought he may have been depressed just due to him not smiling in selfies/pics and looking a bit unkempt. He seemed to be a very introspective person. That’s all I based that on! It’s funny how we can just jump to conclusions. I remember he said in an interview very recently he’s an optimistic person so who knows.

R129 He could also have problems not related to sex and dating. I hope he didn't, just a possible explanation.

As for looking unkempt, my sincere impression is that it's his relaxed look actually. Like the way he looked when he was visiting pandas. You see now AiA ended and he immediately stopped shaving.

R127 I don't disapprove of Matt. I'm not Lee's mommy remember? He can date whoever he wants. I'm entitled to have an opinion tho. You can't prove me wrong because you can't. On the other side, you can disagree with me and that's fine. Lee has his own brain to use right? In no way he was influenced by his PR media manager boyfriend to do shitty interviews. In no way his architect boyfriend explained with an ardour to his friends what he wants to do on the farm. Weird how nobody is backing me up when so many agreed with me a while ago. When so many already proved what role Matt had in Lee's coming out. My motto is gonna be "believe what you wanna believe" from now on. R127 the renovation was just an example. When you have no personality other people make decisions for you. Ask Cardi B. R130 I agree. Funny how he just had to be depressed to date a woman.

R131 I called the media influence suspicious but I think renovation is too quick a conclusion, and none of that means he "lacks personality". Maybe he's just a very pure hearted person who happened to have a manipulative controlling boyfriend. Maybe he is so madly in love he will cater to Matt's every whim. Maybe Matt is a sex god. Maybe he wanted to a renovation but was too lazy and now he's got someone doing all the work for free. Maybe nothing is as it seems and they will break up next week.

Though if Matt indeed influenced his interviews, then he is either a bad PR specialist or didn't have Lee's best interests in mind. Because I've been saying many times that whoever his PR manager is, they did a crappy job.

I find it amusing that some people think matt is some type of evil mastermind. Do you really think he has that much control of a journalist such as Brian Moylan? Brian didn’t even know lee has a bf. As for the renovations is he not allowed to talk to his friend about their plans or is he supposed to ask for permission. He did say “WE talked about” not “I want to do this.” Lee is lying right beside him agreeing so if he was talking out of turn I’m sure lee would’ve said something.

Lee wouldn't say anything. He's a good heart. He just let Matt plan whatever he want but he would do what he want to do.By this way he's gonna fuck Matt all he want because he is too lazy to cruise the gay bar.

R123 Yeah babe, that's exactly what a manipulative boyfriend says "we talked about" (which doesn't mean it was Lee's idea btw). Letting yourself manipulated by your sex God boyfriend literally means you lack personality or the balls lol. It doesn't make Lee a bad person and I'm not a hater so I don't know why you all are so outraged about his lack of personality. I'm just gonna believe this till they prove me otherwise. Thank you.

That was for R133

How did that vague phrase suddenly become a renovation plan? LOL that's exactly an example of the way a rumor becomes a legend. A small piece of information acquires fantasy details and then rolls down the gossip hill like a snowball until it becomes a full blown story. Like that old story I read where a foreign girl met Lee in a hotel in Africa during Revolt. She lived in the same hotel so she saw him a lot and also met other people involved with the filming. At some point she said she met both Lee and Berenice who stood outside talking, Lee looked as if he was very sleepy and Berenice was smoking a cigarette. She didn't want to bother them since it was early morning so she continued on her way.

The moment the story was translated from her language into English it looked like this: the girl saw Berenice early in the morning outside on the balcony of her room smoking a cigarette, she came up wanting to chat and ask for a selfie but then she saw that inside the room Lee was sleeping in Berenice's bed so she pretended she was just passing by and didn't bother anyone.

Classic rumor inflation.

R133 Moylan chose to do the interview as a retelling rather than quoting. So we don't really know what else they talked about. He could have edited it heavily.

I'm also very curious what R92 thinks about the circumstances of the coming out.

R135 do you think lee was manipulated by all his other bfs or just matt?

R135 Because you are interpreting it weirdly. You can have a lot of personality but be a total softie.

I believe the word you are looking for is pushover. (Which is also kind of insulting but hey everyone is allowed an opinion).

R134 Anyway there would never be any argument or especially fighting shown to the general public on instagram. Come on. Never ever unless someone holds a grudge.

Too lazy to cruise, rofl, you are a total romantic, are you?

Though one thing I'm confident about. If this relationship ever comes to an end, it will be Lee's decision and Lee's idea. No way Matt is not holding on for dear life. Lee is the best he's ever had or will have, this one. And damned if I know what magic he holds over Lee to be interesting to him for a whole year. I don't hate on Matt right now, he might be a nice guy, but he is the one who seems like he lacks personality to me. And he isn't gorgeous enough to make up for it.

R139 maybe lee is a pushover! Who knows! Maybe he’s always been a pushover when it comes to relationships. For example, maybe Richard demanded his stuff to be delivered to his house instead of them talking about it. Maybe he sent it without asking Lee’s permission. When RA and lee went out for sushi lee always had to pay according to the waitress. Maybe lee is always the one being the pushover in all his relationships...I find it hard to believe. It’s funny how in the video of lee walking with matt, nick haramis and misha at the AiA after party everyone was saying how lee was the dominant one leading the way and the others were his little minions lol.

R141 So RA is a penny pincher! LOL I don't believe in convenient waitresses, but too funny to miss.

I can't prove it, but he always seemed very independent to me. Where a lot of people say stuff like clingy, sugar sweet, pushover, etc, I see a gentleness but it's not softness, more of a calmness. Beneath it, he is his own person who goes where he wants. You get a similar feeling from buddhist monks. Always polite, never aggressive, friendly, patient, but at the same time indomitable.

R141 He looked like the dominant one because he has the fame when it comes to the public eye. Fame is power and money. He's not anymore the lost little puppy who was dating James Calleri. And here's where I answer your question R138 JC and CS dated him in his early years. JC could have manipulated him. He was older and an agent. But both relationships were in the shadows and not many cared that much at the time. Than RA happened. Everything exploded. I think he was manipulated by Armitage too. RA was terrified somebody was gonna find out and pushed him further in the closet. How insecure that man was... Still remember the tweets and selfies he kept posting and deleting. As for the poor old Alicia... If she'd have manipulated him, they would have had 3 kids and 10 dogs by now. Matt seems to be on the right track tho. So maybe he's a pushover after all. Maybe he's always been one.

R143 The right track to what?

If Alicia wanted all that, she would have had some by now. Women who are obsessed with kids and families tend to have at least one kid by the ripe age of forty, not flit around socializing with friends and traveling boyfriends with flowers in their hair.

R143 I agree with your assessment of RA. He might be a nice enough guy but he’s deeply insecure. I don’t know anyone who uses twitter the way he does. It’s like gaslighting his fans. I’m would imagine that type of behavior could possibly mess with your partners mind. I could be wrong though lol. Disclaimer: I think RA is a great actor

R144 You love Matt that much huh? People like you make me wish they'll just break up. He's on the right track to get everything he wants from him. He does already. Alicia had no chance since his own gay friends excluded her and made fun of her. I was being sarcastic when I mentioned the kids but if she'd have been smart enough (like Matt is) maybe she'd still be around. Can you accept other people's opinions or you are gonna continue defending Matt blindly and believe they have such a great love story? (at least Lee gets to fuck him, what do you get? A license in stupidity/naivety?)

R146 I think you’re reaching when you say Lee’s gay friends excluded her and made fun of her. I see no evidence of that. If that’s the narrative you want to take go right ahead. But we can agree to disagree over the treatment of AL. I’m actually finding it really hard to believe lee dated a woman.

R146 Did you mean R143?

Argh I'm torn here. Matt honestly doesn't look that smart and devious to me. But on the other hand, there is something shady about all of this. I just can't shake the impression.

Yeah I'm inclined to agree about Alicia and friends. People rarely think it's possible but in my experience if you do a lot of same-sex dating and hang out with a similar crowd, suddenly (for them) switching to opposite-sex dating can cause rifts. Maybe that's why he often hang out with her friends.

But what is it specifically that you think Matt is doing when you say he is being smart?

R147 OH there you go. I lost my time with another anon in denial. Reaching what? Stupidity? His friends didn't exclude her and made fun of her? (go back to the old threads see who followed who and what comments NH left on Lee's Insta) Are you the anon who is new here? cause you sound like one R148 Why are people acting like retarded chickens who just arrived on Mars suddenly? "why do you think Matt is smart" "why is Lee a pushover" "why do you think he dated AL" "why do you think he was a bottom and now may be a top" "why do you think Matt manipulates him". Is it the lack of gossip or you guys just enjoy reading the same thing all over again? Matt is smart because Matty is smart. Actions speak. I refuse to do a list when it's been already shown many times over. Going to leave a pic from our loverboy's upcoming movie. Hopefully it will finally change this boring subject.

Changing the subject I read on twitter miss pan boasting she’s got her tickets to meet lee at the con. Thankothere will be security there lol! (Joke I think she’s harmless). I’m sure lee will recognise her. Btw I’m so happy lee is still doing cons! He likes meeting the fans

Looks like Lee’s heading for Venice film festival! Exciting times

Reid still with Matt from Matt's latest story

I had to download the IG story and watch it on my computer to be sure it was Lee. He looks so pale next to Matt! But then I noticed the vertical line on his forehead next to his left eye and realized that he was, indeed, Lee. Well, at least, there's a good side to it: freckles! Plenty of freckles!!!

I give Matt to the wolves if he manages to convince Lee to deface a beautiful 200-year-old estate with some modern-ish, art-sy atrocity!!!

R149

Mr. DeLorean never looked better! I can't hardly wait for Lee's appearance at the Venice Festival. (It would be a shame if someone tied a huge stone to Matt's feet and threw him into a "canale", wouldn't it?) (lol)

R153

P.P.S.: Matt's small talk was sooo interesting that Reid (?) decided that filming the chickens was more interesting! (I agree with him!) lol

I might be in Venice around that time. If I have the time and Lee shows up, I'll do my best to go see him. Not that interested in the movie lol

R155

May I interest you in a fine piece of marble from Carrara? It sinks so well...

R156 You are seriously against renovation!

That said, I watched the video and I have no idea why people thought it was about repair or buildings. It's such a random phrase.

No time to get a tan with AiA taking up half the summer. Although he always had fair skin as far as I can tell, I don't even think they lightened his complexion a lot for Thranduil. Just smoothed over a bit. That's why his natural blush shows up so much when it does.

A random phrase turned into a renovation because the BIG Matt Stan brought it up.

Also not surprised they are sprawled on the lawn half naked it is awfully hot in NY.

Could be that it was referred to the trees or the lawn. Maybe they want to install something in the open space area. But it definitely sounded like Matt was up to something there. I don't think Lee is that stupid to ruin the beauty of the farm with modern shit. R156 Lmaooo Not sure I wanna see or meet Matt tho. It would be more than enough to see Judy Greer ughhhh (that's if I get to go and if Lee will be there)

Maybe the trees, not sure. I found it a bit amusing that Matt was talking excitedly while Lee seemed kind of "whatever, I'm bored" even though it's his farm. He's still keeping very fit, so no delicious food in abundance even after the end of the Grand Nude Appearance?

So what everyone is saying lee AND matt are boring? Lol Btw looked over at weibo the video of the two of them is all over it.

R161 You still didn't catch the memo "Matt is the one who decides shit these days?" Lee just rolls with it. Or so it seems. I also blame Matt aka chicken legs for Lee staying so skinny. But I swear I don't hate Matty😂 R162 what video? English please!!!

R163 the insta story of matt and lee

Hell no if I found Lee boring I wouldn't spend my time in his gossip thread. I did say I found Matt boring yes. I was sure Lee would get bored soon.

This video is a milestone, isn't it? It isn't romantic at all, but it directly shows Matt in Lee's house. Not to mention half naked. It's kind of... private. Not extremely private, but not a public appearance, not filmed in a public place, very 'look at my life behind the closed doors' style. It's something Matt's friends do.

That's why it's all over weibo. It's like a peek into their life. Much more intimate than being filmed leaving car at a theater premiere.

I didn't think Lee would allow that. He seemed to be determined to keep it down to photos like the Innisfree Garden one. Neutral looking not too private photos.

R163 If Matt is indeed calling the shots, then we'll have to go with the sex god theory because Lee definitely didn't look like a guy madly in love hanging on his idol's every word?

R166 no they just looked like a couple comfortable with each other.

R128

I think it has to do with him following Kathryn Newton (Joanie) and liking a lot of (style) posts on instagram by her. And he doesn't follow Susanna Skaggs (Haley), eventhough he praised her in several interviews and had more scenes with her than with Kathryn.

BTW, is it confirmed that Lee will be heading to Venice? Where can I read that?

R165 I don't consider that video super private. They were sunbathing. You don't sunbathe with clothes on. Their friend took a spontaneous video of them and the chickens. And men in the summer are usually half naked. Some are even walking like that on the streets. Especially in a bay area. I take videos and pics like that too when I'm with friends and share it online.

R168 That's a pity. I loved his relationship with Haley in the series. He gave away such a cool bi uncle vibe and he was the first one to realize she was gay. Nothing is confirmed yet about the Venice festival. I'm waiting anxiously cause I may be able to go.

R169 Not so much because they are sunbathing but because they are chilling at home, unguarded and relaxed. If they were at the beach with a lot of people, it would have felt less private even if they wore Speedos.

Why does Lily P go to the festival to "meet" Lee, it's not like they have stage doors? She'd have to climb the wall of his hotel and get in through the window.

R172 it’s a photo op with lee at the comic con. She has to pay to get a pic with him this time lol

Does everyone remember on a previous thread the anon that someone called out for agreeing with themselves? I checked their comments and indeed they had been pretending to be two different people that had the same thoughts. Well they are here. This time they’re using two devices! Possibly three. It is the same person. There isn’t a lot of people here that think Matt is a good guy, it’s all the same person!!! Matt’s mommy. Or Matt himself?!

And this person is severely dedicated for some strange reason to preserving Matt and co. They are really trying their hardest to ‘educate’ everyone on ‘the truth’ about Matt and his friends and also Lee. A very sneaky obsessed person we have here. Why such deep devotion to giving them a good reputation? On DL?

R169 Just FYI it wasn’t a spontaneous video.

R176 so you’re saying matt rehearsed what he was going to say and lee pretended he was just chilling beside him. (He should have got more lines being the famous actor). Glad the stunt chickens came on cue. Lmao

I might have already said it (too lazy to scroll up) but Lee looks like he couldn't care less and wouldn't mind taking a nap in the sun. He also needs to be careful, I think he's starting to get sunburned.

R177 Just use your head and stop being sarcastic. It really wasn’t spontaneous. I’m not convinced that Matt was saying the exact line he wanted but just talking in general. The chickens were roaming around the whole time. Nothing they post is ever not carefully thought out. For some reason Reid posted for the first time Matt and Lee together. None of their friends ever posted any picture of them together before. Reid did it for some reason. And you forget who Lee is. He is not spontaneous with his social media. Neither is Matt, check his instagram. Everything is meticulously planned out and posted just so. He even deletes his tags so everything looks just perfect.

R179 But what could be the reason? It is nothing new for the people who follow their accounts, even if there wasn't such a video before.

What does the video show to the audience?

Lee has guests at his farm? Been here, done that.

One of them is Matt? Same.

They are dating? Not really obvious from the video alone and anyway people know that as well.

They haven't broken up despite Matt seeming to be away since AiA? The Innifress photo did the job.

I'm out of ideas at the moment.

Does he delete the tags later once they have done their job of attracting new followers?

R179 I love theories but this one wins #1 on "The most ridiculous" list. Besides, Matt could have said something more appealing or interesting. It's delusional to state that Lee would even think to put together a staged video for a Insta story. He doesn't give a shit. If he did he would post so much on his accounts. I repeat: not many fans follow Matt's friends. 99% are on this thread. What would Lee gain from making a video for a "stranger" to his fans? (that not many would see anyway). And if you study closely the video, you can see how surprised Lee looked when the dude started the music lmaooo like "the fuck are you doing" than Reid got awkward and zoomed on the chickens. Lee looked almost pissed and bored while Matt was explaining his dreamy plans. Yes, I watched that video 1000 times. With all due respect, you're reading too much into things to the point of turning everything into a obsession with tags untags etc. Matt is obsessed with social media but not THAT obsessed.

R181 exactly if they were going to stage something I think they would’ve maybe tidied themselves up a bit. They both have double chins lying there like that lol (not really but you get the point). Matt wouldn’t sound so boring and Reid would’ve kept focus on them instead of turning his focus on the chickens. Some posters are so blinded by their hate of matt they loose all sense of reasonable thought.

Well R182 I'm a different poster but if I wanted to make an impression of a random casual nonstaged video, that's exactly what I would not have done. Poised = staged.

R179 has a point. Neither Lee nor Matt (dunno about Reid) have a habit of posting random casual bits on instagram. Lee posts things unrelated to his professional life but those are mostly nature photos. Not slice of life posts. Why this, why now, why there? He even liked it, knowing it would draw people to see it. So it didn't just slip under the radar, he wants it to be seen.

R183 He liked what?? The video from the insta story? They can do that?? "why this, why now, why there" 😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♀️ You all need Jesus fellows. Get on your knees and pray. Lolz

He liked the photo of himself and Matt in Reid's insta this prompting people to go look at Reid's insta including the videos.

R185 The photo with Lee and Matt is not on Reids Instagram feed. What photo are you talking about???

Wait let me check, maybe I need more coffee than I thought.

R173

Poor Lee. Nowhere to run and hide. He must know her craziness by now! All he can do is act polite and smile. I think that Pan leads a very lonely life. No friends, no job, no man (coughs) etc. Her entire (fantasy) world evolves around a man who most likely thinks she's odd when he sees her again.

R170

Yeah. The relationship between Joe and Haley was great that season.

R187 Also Jesus😂😂😂😂 BTW scrolling through Reids Instagram and boy... Aren't they all hot? An anon a while mentioned how Matt has only good looking friends and got bashed. But it's soooo true. It's like they have some standards. I look good in my twenties but man, they can lower your self esteem any moment. Just saying. Just sayiiiing

I don't know, they look good to me but not outstanding. Normal. Just fit, skinny, with stylish haircuts, fashionable clothes. Young urban professionals who earn pretty good money.

Same goes for the girls btw. They are pretty but not like, wow gorgeous. Normal pretty.

Doesn’t look like Reid went back to the city. He’s still at Lee’s place. He just posted an Instastory with Pete.

R157

I'm not against a renovation when it keeps the original style of a place. But I'm afraid Matt wouldn't agree with me.

BTW, the marble is not for the renovation; it's for murder! You know, Venice, Matt, stone tied to the feet, thrown into a "canale", etc. (lol)

R192

Pete!!!!

Making light-hearted fun of Matt is one thing (because deep down we love him ;) but adding talk of murder to the mix makes me feel a little uncomfotable. These are real people, guys.

R194

Oh, please! You can't be serious! No one is his/her/them right mind would take such a joke seriously. But I understand you, it's still Monday for you, isn't it? (lol)

P.S.: In case you didn't notice, it's a direct reference to the scene below from "Miss Pettigrew Lives For A Day".

Can someone please post the video from Reid’s Instagram story mentioned above? I’m sure someone saved it

R181 Yes, they rehearsed the story and it wouldn’t be the first time they did it. They already did it once before for Matt’s Instagram story in Costa Rica. They recorded what looked to be a spontaneous video that meant nothing. It became interesting when Matt removed it after a few minutes and then he posted another video that was almost exact. It was of his and Lee’s shadows. Lee had his arms over his head and they were pretending to be nonchalant and that Lee wasn’t doing anything special, just stretching his arms over his head. But the giveaway was when they redid it with almost the exact same hand and arm motions. I saw both stories and I noticed the difference between them. It’s bizarre I agree 100 percent on that. Why it was done I don’t have a clue. But they did it then and here have made another one. That Costa Rica story wasn’t spontaneous, it was staged and directed. Nothing that appears on their Instagram is random. This time with Reid’s story we have yet another staged vid made to look like a candid moment of their lives. Believe it or not. If you follow them so closely you should be able to see all this. Or maybe your purpose of being here is completely different than the rest of us.

R174 r175 I know what you're talking about. I noticed that too and read every comment of her from 3 anons that I guess it' s her all the same person. There is only one Matt's mommy here.

R181 Agreed that Lee looked pissed and Reid awkwardly zoomed on the chicken. If Lee hadn't turned and seen what Reid's doing we wouldn't have seen the chicken but Lee and Matt instead.

Lee didn’t looked at Reid. He’s looking at Matty’s six pack abs.

I love that Lee likes everything simple and easy. He named his dogs Carl, Pete. It's easy when you call them. Imagine you call your dog King Archibald all the time. LOL

Yeah, King Archibald or Arctic Freeze.

Where is Arctic Freeze now？Miss her.

Freddy told me I'm old enough to go out so we explore the farm. Maybe I try climbing that tree Freddy stuck in months ago.

I’ve thought about what happened to that cat. Cute as a kitten but once it grew maybe she wasn’t cute enough for him anymore. Matt probably gave her away. Can you imagine him dealing with cat hair on his TB clothes and cleaning a litter box? I don’t think he is the animal lover type.

I think Lee keeps her. It's Lee's cat not Matt's. These hypocrite people stop posting her pics doesn't mean she's not there. Lee never posted Freddy pics until he stuck in the tree and not afterward.

R198 "Or maybe your purpose of being here is completely different than the rest of us." What is my purpose? 😂 I'm one of Matt's spies. He tells me what to tell you all. Yes, he makes staged videos and he pays me to cover him. Is that my purpose? If I make a story with my bf and I'm like " let's make a video while we play with shadows" it's not spontaneous but not staged either. It's a way to have fun. If you want to believe that you are smarter than all of us... Fine, you are sooo clever and we are so stupid for believing that Matt and his friends are just taking normal videos. I really wish they won't share anything anymore. We won't know where Lee is, how he looks. Maybe that would be better. Just complete silence and no gossip. It's always fun to repeat the same shit again and again about RA or AL, right?

R208 I'm a different poster and I don't quite subscribe to the conspiracy theories (though I'm interested), but you forget about one big difference between you and your friends and the company we are gossiping about. Your group-at least I assume so-isn't in any way famous.

I don't think Lee has anything to do with staging vedio but I believe Matt does by his friend's aid. I also wonder about the farm and the friends thing. Does he sell the tour to the farm and photo op in the kitchen the barn and with Pete?

I read your comments and agree that Matt is calling the shots and since Lee has no personality, something many here can not fathom, he goes along with it. I also think that the type of spontaneity r198 is speaking of is not a fun type that you redo over just for fun. Matt is VERY precise about what he posts. I believe that all the stories Matt has his friends post from Lee’s place are designed by him for some dumb reason that to him is important. I think that Reid’s story was staged as stated above. To me it was pretty obvious. Lee is private and we know how Matt is. But he will never have enough respect for Lee to do as he wishes and legit be private. He must hate not being able to show his hot famous man off whenever he pleases. He can’t enjoy Lee to the full extent unless he can rub in the fact that he’s with him. Rub it in all Lee’s fans’ faces. Everything he has that is good in his life is not enough for him. And never will be. Matt thrives on people being jealous of him. He’s not a kind hearted man, his heart is rotten. Message to Matt’s Mommy- Ask Matty if Lee is allowed to post a selfie anytime soon.

R211 Why wouldn't he be allowed to post a selfie? Even if Matt is really obsessed with showing off Lee, what's the connection?

I don't think Lee has no personality. He just chill and laid back. He let Matt do what he want but has boundary. Otherwise Matt would post Lee and private stuff. He didn't because he knew Lee'd kick his ass to the curve if he did that why he used his friends' aid.

R211 OK... So I'm very very dumb. Explain to me please (if for you is so obvious) how in the hell that video was staged? I have that video on my laptop, watched it over 1000 times. Lee was chilling and this mofo starts the music to make the video. Lee turns his head, disturbed, in his direction... Than Reid zooms, clearly embarrassed he got caught or because Lee looked pissed, on the chickens. (probably his explanation, if Lee asked what was he doing, was that he was filming the chickens duhh) At the same time, Matt keeps blabbing about his plans (that no one gives a f about cause Lee is almost asleep and this dude is too busy filming them lol). I agree on Matt and his friends being really careful about what they post. But from being careful to actually stage, set videos and pictures.... It's a long way. Sorry, I find it ridiculous and with no purpose because Lee's fans don't give a f about Matt's friends. And again Lee is not that famous. Let's agree to disagree again, loves.

R214 From your description (I watched it too but without that kind of attention to details) it almost looks like Reid hoped to film it secretly.

What’s wrong with being careful what you post on Instagram? I think most people on the planet are careful what they post online particularly the ones with public Instagrams.

I'm not r214 I didn't find r214 said it's wrong just said they're careful. Over protective, are you, r216 ? LOL

R217 just read your reply even though your on my blocked list. You’re the poster always bringing up orgies and lee cruising for sex and sex tapes. You’re obsessed! You’re probably a virgin in her twenties that has never stepped foot in a gay bar lol.

R218 So what? LOL

R218 Or a mature-aged lady who has a very biased view on homosexuality and says at every discussion! "I have nothing gay but ..."

Belongs to R220 My Phone was faster than me... I mean -"I've nothing against gay's, but.....

If I were against, I'd not Stan Lee. I know he's gay from the beginning and not against any of his partner. Matt is an exception. OK, I don't need to clarify myself to you, middle aged fraus.

*If I were against gay*

I think we all here are straight women who adore Lee and don't care that he's gay. We still love him. Why throw the mean word like homophobia to other people. Homophobia won't follow Lee. Every fan know he's gay. Please stop insulting, you can debate without throwing bad word to each other. And r222 What does frau mean? I can't find it in my dictionary.

R224

"Frau" is a German word equivalent to the title "Mrs." in English. However, here at DL, it has a different definition that you can find at the Urban Dictionary.

Thank you Latertha. You're so kind and never insult anybody.

In r226 I mean Lagertha, sorry

I just read the meaning in the link Lagertha gave me. R222 tell me you used the word as in German meaning. If not you're so mean and not better than people who argued with you.

R224 DL is a gay board, why would you think it's full of straight women?

R226

You're welcome! The first time I arrived at DL, I believed this place was run by German women! There was a "frau" here, there was a "frau" there, there were "fraus", "fraus", everywhere! (lol) But then, Chip and Dale (my two remaining brain cells) clicked and I was like "of course, it's a slang"! Then, I checked my always faithful Urban Dictionary and found the exact meaning. However, you shouldn't worry about it: this place is for fun, if you don't like a word or a comment, just forget it! It's a waste of energy to argue with someone you've never met. Just go with the flow! Be one with DL!

R224 No gay man is a Lee Pace fan. They don't like him. I don't know the reason. It's all women. Just my opinion. I think the op should make a poll and make a choice like a. Women aged 25~35 something like this for us to vote. Then we'll know the average age and gender of Lee's fans

Sorry R231 is for r229

Gay men do like lee! Trust me they do. They aren’t obsessed with him that they go online and start insulting his bf. Nope! mostly only women do that.

R233 glad to know that. I'm a woman but I like whoever Lee's boyfriend is. I respect his choice. If he choose Matt, so be it. I know many posters don't like Matt. It's their right. They can express their opinions. I don't argue with them. I express mine too.

R218 What you write here really doesn’t even count because you are Matt’s mommy. You can’t let anything go. But still this comment makes me pissed off. You know perfectly well that that poster was joking about orgies and sex tapes. And then you call them obsessed. Where does that come from and how to have that make sense? Obsessed with sex tapes and orgies because they made a joke about it? You are being so sensitive about what people post here and then you insult them. And to top it off you claim that they are the ones that need to be blocked just for the purpose of trying to convince others to block them. Just so no one would read anything negative about precious Matt. You act irrational. You definitely didn’t block them if you read their comment. Liar. You could never block someone that insults Matt because you need to know everything people are saying about him so you can come to his defense. Maybe you are him and not his mommy.

Can we stop calling anons out?? An anon defends Matt, an anon hates Matt, an anon likes sex, an anon makes up weird theories, another one is a straight woman etc etc. People will stop posting if we continue with this charade. There are only a few people left on Lee's threads and I miss the chaos from RA's era. PS: Lee has gay fans, dear R231

It's easy to bypass a block. Google proxy server. The same people just post with different ip's.

Matt Bomer just shared the photo from high school with Lee. Too bad I've seen it already 😅 Wish he would post more or share stories from back then.

R236 Right. There are only a few people left on Lee's threads now versus Richard era because nobody likes Matt and he has driven away Lee's fans. Even make Lee look bad for chosing a man like Matt to love. Means lee likes a man like Matt because he has commonality with him. Fans are disappointed in Lee because of Matt. His fear of losing fans is becoming a reality slowly but steady. People liked Richard more times than they like Matt. Matt insults lees fans and the normal nice people.that like lee. Him and his friends constantly rubs it to us peasants that they are better than.us. They laugh at us and think of us as peasants. Normal people that don't live in new york city and work in fashion or entertainment fields and cannot have what they have including Lee's company. So people leave Lee's fandom and it will continue. His twitter feed is already nearly dead. I am not a Richard fan so don't accuse me of this. I speak the truth only

Lee may have lost fans but I think he has gained even more new ones and has gained respect. I don’t think Lee has any regrets coming out and any fan he looses, they weren’t really fans in the first place. I don’t think Richards fans are interested in lee anymore understandably. I’m no longer interested in RA now they’ve split up as I was always a lee fan first and foremost.

R239 A real fan doesn't give a f about who he dates and definitely won't turn away from him just because he dates a certain man. I never cared for RA and I don't really care for Matt but RA brought many people to Lee's threads. For better or for worse it was very entertaining reading other people's opinions. So many left because they weren't interested in Lee. Not his fans. Matt has little to do with it. Another reason is that Matt is not famous. Imagine if Matty were a Bomer or a Hardy or even an Armitage. I think that only loyal fans stay put through the gossip on Lee's threads. The rest comes and goes. I'll still be here when Matty takes his leave and another bf or gf makes their entrance.

R238 love that pic of matt bomer and lee. It’s amazing to see the men they’ve become and both treading the boards on Broadway! I’m so glad someone like Bomer has Lee’s back.

And if he lost fans recently on social media, it's because he's so damnnn boring. The feeds are dead with a post when he remembers he still has Insta, Twitter, tho he lurks a lot. He didn't even promote TKH. Never cared that much for HACF either. He doesn't even promote his work and we expect selfies and chit chats??? Hahaha

Yeah I wish he updated his insta and Twitter more. I think he does lurk a lot too. He probably thinks his day to day his life is pretty dull - he has no idea how much we all want to see what he gets up to!

R243 And if he posted more, you would have called him an attention whore obsessed with social media. People like you will never be satisfied.

Not happy about all this mental flatulence

R240 Mommy, unfortunately I don’t think Lee has gained any new fans and the ones that left probably aren’t gone because he’s gay but, as that person said, because of his new group of friends and his boyfriend. And a real fan can leave. Dedicated fans can be let down by their fave hero and they forget about them and move on. Lee is a normal person and he will disappoint people because it’s real life. He can only be himself and try to keep himself happy. I think most people realize this. But personally I also think that his friends have brought him down. Matt being the main component to dragging him down. I want Lee to be happy and I think he is content with Matt now but will be in for a rude awakening when he gets sick of being used and realizes how he’s been manipulated by Matt. Matt successfully manipulates his friends all the time and Lee is an easy mark for him. I’m not saying Lee is stupid but I do think Matt is taking advantage of him.

Most fans barely know who he dates, much less bother to form an opinion about said person. They are into his work.

Omg

Try harder r248

R249 That's a simple fact. Most fans aren't that interested in an actor's private life, and since Lee never really went out with Matt officially or named him out loud, you'd have to search for gossip to find out who he currently dates.

R250 yes agree. Most fans of lee aren’t that bothered about who he dates or if he’s dating. On this thread the name of Lee’s boyfriends friends dog gets bashed lol.

That hardly sounds disinterested.

R251 That's simple, no one is good enough for our dear Lee. RA, AL, MF, anyone will get accessed and deemed unworthy.

R245 wtf are you talking about? Did you read my posts?? I never mentioned the words "attention whore". How do you know what would satisfy me? And for your information, I follow celebrities who are non stop online. I don't think they are attention whores. It's either their job (online influencers) or they just like to stay in touch with their fans (see Matt Bomer). Maybe you're confusing me with the anon who snaps every time a friend posts a video or pic of Lee.

R248 That’s hilarious. Come on, please stop with your nonsense. If you are only in it for his work, then wtf are you doing here?????? And for the record I think you could also be the anon from a previous thread agreeing with your own comments but you’re just using different devices this time. Seriously is this conversation so important to you that you must, must, must get people to view Lee and Matt’s relationship and their friends a certain way? You’re stacking the deck in your favor and therefore making this conversation fake. We’re here for fun gossip and bitchery. Let it be true gossip and not one person using different ip addresses. You’re wasting everyone’s time.

R255 Here is only a small place with a small group of gossip lovers. Do you seriously think most people out there who like Lee as an actor follow Matt and his friends or even know his full name?

His relationship with Matt would have seriously affected his fanbase only if it were very, very public.

And no I'm a different poster.

R256 that poster above your comment comes from a deeply unhappy angry person. I’ve had to block them. Anyone who doesn’t agree with her she thinks are the same person using different addresses and are matts mommy. Prehaps she has mommy issues herself and is jealous that matt is close to his. Don’t know. Anyway I hope that poster has someone to reach out to in their real life as that amount of hate for someone they don’t know is deeply, deeply unhealthy.

RA fan here -- but still following the LP gossip here because the arguments are so hilariously entertaining. But I'd say of RA fans generally, the turnover is fast enough that except for superfans, in another year RA's fans will be saying, Lee Pace, who is that?

R258 hello RA fan. Any gossip about Richard we’re missing out on?

R258 meant to add - has he still got his place in NY? Any sightings of him at AiA?

R257 If you've blocked them then how can you see what they have written? You don’t want others here to listen to what that person has to say and you want others to block them as well. You're not fooling anyone into blocking posters that have a different opinion than you. You tear her/him down as a means of making their comments appear as from someone not worth listening to. You are a dangerous person. I hope you are the one that has someone to reach out to in your real life and hopefully you don’t treat people in your real life the way you do on Datalounge. I’m not going to block anyone. I want to hear everyones opinion, including yours. That’s why I’m here, otherwise what would be the point of reading these threads? You are going to block everyone? So the only things you see are your own posts? Maybe you don’t have a good arguement to people that disagree with you because those people are right. I think you are scared of that person and thats why you are trying to manipulate others into blocking them. Your arguememts aren’t good enough to counter what people have to say.

R261 I didn’t ask anyone to block them nor do I think anyone should as its completely up to them. I don’t need that type of negativity and toxicity in my life. Most posters here are bitchy and cheeky and that’s fine! It’s all good fun but that particular poster - in my opinion - just takes it a step too far. They suck the fun out of it and i actually dread to see what they’ve written. You can read through posts from people you ignore. Every so often I read her posts to see what she has written. Again I want to make the point I’m not asking anyone to ignore or block her I’m just saying why I did. Maybe I am scared of that poster. Scared they’ll get so angry towards matt and lee they do something terrible.

Wow! You do sound like Matt’s mommy! Take a chill pill! Relax! You really sound ridiculous! What is wrong with you? Now I see that person is right and you do take everything way too personally.

R262 you contradict yourself, LOL. "I blocked her" " I read her comments" You're a joke here. A "Matt's mommy'. You make this thread bored. You fight with every poster who not admire Matt. You blocked people then went through posts people you ignor to see what they post. LOL What's the point of ignoring them. You're a pathetic loser. LMFAO

Let anon live and love Matt come on. Diversity is life. Someone needs to love him here or we won't have the lovely arguments.

R265 The Matt's mommy scared that the poster on DL will harm Matt and Lee in real life. I hope someone in her family take her to mental hospital ASAP.

Wow I think I hit a bit of a nerve! The trolls are really loosing their shit lmao! How on earth they can call themselves lee fans is beyond me! I get that maybe they think matt and Lee’s friends and matts friends aren’t good enough for lee but this level of hate is CRAZY!! Cue being called matts mommy in 3...2...1... Btw I would guess lee would fucking hate you trolls with every inch of his very being. He loves his friends, he loves matt. Get over it haters!

Go get help, Matt mommy. You take it too personal. Everyone here is just having fun. I'll leave it. Every time you call people name. Nobody respond to you because they don't want to waste time arguing. They just want to have fun gossiping. Bye Matt mommy have fun in your real life.

They are Matt's friends. Maybe Lee now considers them his friends as well, I don't know, but officially they come with Matt's package.

LMFAO You're so pathetic indeed.

No DL-worthy Richard gossip :(

Yeah, Richard's very private and he has no Instagram ho friends, so no way gossip or private pics leak.

That's why Richard is a classy guy.

Two of my all-time favorite things: the Sea and Lee!!! (Just look at that wave!) (*sighs*)

When do you believe we will be allowed to discuss "The Keeping Hours"? (Don't want to spoil it for anyone!)

R274 I think we can talk about it. You'd be surprised to find out not many care for his projects / watch his movies or TV shows on this board. I posted a free link to the movie. If anyone wanted to watch it, they watched it. So unless someone is against it....

I read Lee’s twitter feed which is pretty sparse now compared to how it used to look. Mostly what’s on his feed is Thranduil crap, cringeworthy memes and comicon announcements, posts about Driven, and embarrassing ‘Pacer’ posts. But I came across this gem. Posted by the infamous shipper King Is Naked. It’s actually very interesting and seems fairly accurate. I took the liberty of highlighting a few lines that immediately stood out to me.

I tried to highlight them but I guess I fucked up.

R272 I couldn’t name a single friend Richard does have. Attention hoe or otherwise.

When he did either one of the recent plays he was in, did any fans report friends leaving SD with him?

R278 I’ve read a few people say he has a bf but no one knows anything or they’re not saying what they know. I hope he’s happy whatever he’s at in life.

R275

I've used your link to watch it! Thank you very much, BTW! I guess we should give it another week before disclosing potential spoilers out of respect for those who couldn't watch it yet.

P.S.: Freckles!!!

R276

I've read this post. The last line is very interesting: freedom is the key word!

Lagertha, what did you think about what it said about Matt? It even described that smug grin he always wears on his lips! And the third paragraph really stood out to me also. For Lee’s so much of it really seemed to describe him from what we know, especially the second paragraph! I found it all so interesting! Really seems to describe them both pretty well. I find it to shine a bad light on Matt’s description. He does seem to fit what it says and it doesn’t make him look very good.

On Lee’s *their private life is sacred to them* is on point, most of it is. And yes Matt’s reinforces the theory of him being evil/someone to avoid. More or less, you get my drift. A good reminder to never make friends with someone born on October 2!

You can see there is another page in the book on their starsign. The twitter user has cut it off. Id love to know what else it says about that birthdate.

R280

"Most October 2 people are interested in the workings of society and are very adept at both understanding and manipulating people's viewpoints." A statement that adds fuel to our very own conspiracy theory that Matt controls (stages) his SM appearances. I also agree with the "smug grin"; IMHO it grants him a "resting bitchface".

R282

For a better astrological interpretation, it's necessary two other important details: the time of birth and birthplace (as far as Western Astrology is concerned), so let's keep our hopes up with October 2 people! (lol)

P.S.: I have a great book on Karmic Astrology, which is as interesting as this one. But, unfortunately, it's in my other computer, which happens to be stuck on an infinite loop, so it'll take me some time to retrieve it.

R284 well considering Mahatma Gandhi was born in October 2 they can’t be all bad lol.

R286

That's the spirit! Although, I believe Mahatma Gandhi had a greater affinity with Vedic Astrology!

What’s the difference?

R288

The main difference is that the Vedic Astrology follows the sideral system, that is, the movement of the stars, which means the Zodiac is mobile. Western Astrology follows the tropical system, what means the Zodiac is fixated at zero degree in Aries at the Spring Equinox.

Roughly 250+ years BC, both systems were aligned, but now there's a difference of 23°- 24°, which means that a Capricorn can be, actually, a Sagittarian.

And that was your Astrology 101 class! And, yes, there will be a test about it!!! (lol)

You can find more online I guess. I already knew something about their signs because I'm a Libra (like Matt), born on the 25th of September tho, and my sister is Aries (like Lee). Perfect opposites at 180° on the zodiacal chart. I always used to fight with my sister but in romantic relationships opposites attract each other. And of course, dates matter.... Character experience etc. It's scary how real and true those things are.

Lee shares his birthday with Elton john. I can’t think of two more different celebrities lol. Sarah Jessica Parker is March 25 too (love her).

R290 I’m libra too! I was led to believe we’ve the most level headed sign of the zodiac lol

R290

It's the combined work of thousand of people around the world since the first human being looked at the stars! In time they came up with the signs (I consider them archetypes) and began to understand how they worked with each other under different circumstances (aspects). However, this is not a divination system, but a self-knowledge tool. In other words, Astrology won't tell you your future; it'll just give you means to better understand certain behaviors we have and how to change those characteristics that need to be improved and how to enhance those that already are our great qualities.

R292

My best friend was (during her stay on this world) a Libra, too. And she was a paragon of Justice! She went to Law School and wanted to be a judge. She would be the best, I'm sure! (In memory of our absent friends, let's take a moment to honor their memories!)

One thing I noticed they may have in common despite the opposite signs: the aggressive nature. They both seem to turn around and bite hard if you step on their tail. Matt is also into mocking other people but gets super sensitive if other people make fun of him. Lee is self-destructive and may end up alone because they rarely find a perfect match. I remember reading this some time ago when I discovered Matt's birthday. And even his birth date says Lee is boring lol (it was displayed as one of his weaknesses)

R294 Lee doesn’t seem aggressive at all. What makes you think that? R293 sorry for your loss

R294 who has matt mocked? Have I missed something?

R293

Thank you very much! I KNOW she's in a better place!

R295 R296 I was talking about their zodiacal signs. He doesn't seem but you know... He may be nice or a pushover till a certain point. And I've seen that when he almost lost it and got defensive with that dick from the W magazine. (cause his private life is sacred remember?) I'm not talking about physical aggressivity btw And Matt's chart says he's into dry humor but won't accept other people laughing at him. This could be or could not be true. I don't know much about Matt honestly. Lee on the other side... Remember when we were talking about how he picks up roughly every woman in love scenes etc?? Guess what Aries men are into.... Quick, rough, passionate sex. A Libra is more into foreplay but who knows what Matt likes.

R298 as a Libra I can vouch that we like lots of foreplay 😉

I want a selfie of lee with his cats for International Cat day. Please lee!

R300

I second that!

On Matt’s, the part where it says October 2nd people -can be found with a hint of a smile on their lips and they like entertaining and being entertained and it may well be that others are the butt of their jokes- That is so him! Conceited little guy with a mocking grin. He always comes across in pictures as having a really bad attitude problem.

What was on Lee's twitter feed before?

Traditional Aries type: sexually passionate, very physical but also romantic, extremely stubborn no matter how nice they look or small of age, can't stand a relationship becoming ordinary, down to earth and boring, very honest and straightforward when it comes to feelings, doesn't manipulate, doesn't play games. Not sure how all of his relates to Lee but I somehow think he doesn't like being bored indeed. Libra is traditionally obsessed with appearances, is very diplomatic and likes everything done properly, as to what exactly properly means depends on their own views and ideas, they don't like stirring up shit and prefer roundabout ways to direct conflict.

R290 We share our birthday!

And R299 I'm a libra and I absolutely hate foreplay 🙈🙉🙊

R304 I’m a Libra and I’m not obsessed with appearance. I’m laughing. Diplomatic -yes, likes everything done properly - not gonna happen lol. Doesn’t like stirring up shit - depends 😉. Prefers roundabout ways of conflict - yes. Btw as a Libra there are other nice qualities that we have that you’ve left out.

R307 Those things don't really work because people can't be divided into only a few types. The real astrology takes a dozen planets into accounts and all their combinations, not only the Sun sign. So I put it here just for fun.

R305 That's cool😁 Probably Matt is not into foreplay either since Lee likes it rough at any time, any place, any hour lmao One thing I didn't expect about Lee... To be that much into sex. They hate it if you refuse them or find excuses. Or at least that's how Aries men are. No wonder Matt manipulates him. Matty might just be a sex God indeed 😂

R309 I'd believe he is very into sex. He even eats sensually. There was a bun in HACF, one just wants to be that bun...

R308 Of course we can't know exactly how they act based on a zodiac sign. It depends on so many things. Every person is different. But some characteristics are common. An Aries man is an Aries man. We're just having fun assuming based on what we've seen so far😏

R310 Or one just wants to be a beer.

R280 I wonder if he ever gets freckles on his nose too, from the sun. He has such light colored skin and also there is a bit of reddish-golden tint to his hair too, almost as if he could have had red hair. But I guess you can't really tell since there is always makeup in the movies.

If an interviewer ever asked him (in another life) about RA 😂😂😂

R275 I care! I think he is an amazing actor, never boring to watch even if the screenplay is boring.

R314 I believe the one most uncomfortable would be poor RA

R286 What time of day? Considering the time zone, it could have been either oct 1 or oct 2 as well. Though same can be said about Matt. The western astrology uses universal time and GMT to determine the date. A lot of Americans are "really" born on another day concerning their charts and same goes for people in Asia.

R317 October 2 is a national holiday in india as it’s the birthday of both Gandhi and Shastri (a popular freedom fighter). In India it’s known as the birthday of freedom fighters. His surname is Irish meaning “plunderer” .

I wonder why lee hasn’t done any promotion for The Keeping Hours? Not a tweet, retweet or even insta.

Why do people think he will be in Venice? Though he was at Revolt's premiere last year.

R320 Because Driven closes the festival. But no one knows for sure yet. It's a movie premiere. It kind of makes sense he'd be there with Judy Greer. Looks like he doesn't give a f about his projects lately, so it will also make sense if he won't be there. TKH got dumped to DVD release and he didn't promote it. He was careful to promote Dolce tho. Who understands this man😑

*Dulce. I'm half italian😅

Because he likes the CI work. It's important for him. I guess Keeping Hours was interesting when he did it, but that was a long time ago.

R310 R312

The bun and the beer in HACF are classics! But I also love the orange juice bottle in "Possession". I even read a funny, yet charming, fanfic about this unlikely pair (Roman/Orange Juice Bottle)! It's priceless (and short)!

R313

According to his bio, he has English, Scottish and Welsh ancestry, so it's possible that, if the genetic lottery had turned out different, he could have had red hair. As for freckles, mine don't appear in the face, just shoulders and arms; his could work like mine. In that scene of TKH, his shoulder freckles are pretty visible. (If Matt is a smart guy, he must chart every single one of them!)

R320

I would love for Lee to arrive at the Venice Film Festival closing ceremony and premiere of "Driven" driving a De Lorean!!!

In the second season of HACF his hair almost looks gold. So much lighter than usual. I guess it's because of a combination of hair product and lighting but at first I thought it was dyed.

R324 That was hilarious and sad at the same time😂 R323 I think it's pathetic to stop promoting a movie because you don't like it anymore. It's not professional. And don't they include promotion in the contract? Maybe he didn't get paid. Which is again pathetic because you should promote your work as an actor no matter what. That bitch Amber Heard got sued because she didn't want to promote anymore one of her movies. It's part of the job. You can't wake up one morning and pretend you didn't do that movie or forget about it. Why did you do it in the first place?

R326 But he isn't a marketing specialist. He is an actor. Promoting a movie has nothing to do with his professional duties. He could have something about that in his contract but not necessarily. It's like saying an artist has to build the gallery for his paintings to hang there. No he hasn't. He only has to paint them.

R326 is Amber heard a bitch? Anyway R327 is right it’s not his job to promote but I was surprised he hasn’t said anything about it because it’s actually not that bad of a movie. Maybe he watched it and didn’t enjoy it - who knows! I think he filmed it back 2015 so he probably is kind of over it. He did that around the same time as The Book of Henry which was completely slated.

R328

I've noticed he promotes his projects BEFORE they are actually finished. He likes to say things along these lines "I'm doing this movie/tv series/play with these people, who are great, and I hope you like it." Then, he rarely attends red carpets or any other events of the kind.

P.S.: Judy Greer appears in a new IG story from @thombrowneny.

R329 saw that. She looks fantastic. I lol’d at matts comments.

Why rarely? He did the red carpet for almost all movies he's recently been in. Even small ones like Revolt.

Judy being connected to TB makes the whole theory about coming out being connected to MF seem less crazy. Lee had barely kept in contact in her for years. But ever since Matt appeared on stage ,she is here all the time.

*with her

I stand on what I said about promotion. Yes, it's the actor's job to promote their work. Especially if the actor is famous like Brad Pitt, Depp Otherwise Heard wouldn't have been sued. But then TKH was not premiered in the theater with a red carpet etc. | Don't remember if it was mentioned before but I just noticed that not only Matt follows Schneier but also Ian and Gia. And he follows them back. Nothing suspicious. Nothing.

Bonus Greer who confirms it all

Same thing on the W article... Matt and Ian follow the photographer and vice-versa. I'm totally late but I made it lol Bradley even styled him for the outing. No biggie

Who is Scheier?

Well it would make sense if Lee went to people he knows for the second article because it was supposed to be in his favor. But still the whole deal and the timing.

Another thought stuck in my head. In March, Lee was pushing the queer/bi narrative. I don't think he was afraid to lose fangirls by being gay like people say. If he answered carefully, he would have sounded smooth, not defensive and angry. He would have given some premade and PR-approved reply and people wouldn't be annoyed at him as much as they were. So my opinion is that he was genuinely at a loss so he somewhat awkwardly told the truth. Later when he published his twitter announcement he kept to it.

But in June the second article is pushing the gay narrative, although Lee keeps saying the word queer and his earlier words about dating women are quoted. But the journalist calls him gay, and so does Judy and so on. Why? One could say, okay, Lee decided to come out "for real" (noticed how the article uses those words? but he has already come out in March, it's confusing on purpose) this time so he decided to do it as gay. But then, if he truly decided to come out as gay and asked the journalist to highlight it, why does he not say it? He could have easily put a phrase about being gay in there. Just saying "as a gay actor,I am". Something of that sort. Yet he doesn't. Why?

It is almost as if (okay you can call me a paranoid bastard here, but keep reading), so it is almost as if the article is constructed in a way to make him seem gay-er than he was in March, but Lee himself is only partially into it so he doesn't really help it himself. He links to the article, he thanks people for the quotes, but he is quietly not confirming the narrative.

As if someone talked him into doing the new spin on his public image, he wasn't fully into it yet didn't say no. He did it but with his own quiet stubborness, sticking to his own words but letting them do their thing. Kind of like in the recent video he lets Matt talk but doesn't confirm it.

A crazy idea? But after what an anon said about Nick H., Alicia, and Matt wanting to "own" him, I can't stop wondering.

R336 I don’t think the journalist set out with the thought “I’m going to make lee seem gayer”. That article was to clarify Lee’s coming out. He seemed so pissed of how he was portrayed in moylan’s article. I think the article was to get help get his point of view across and I think Lee’s team helped him with that article. Didn’t it say he sought advice from matt bomer (and probably his husband who is a big PR agent in Hollywood). The article was to make lee look good and if that involves having friends helping him with quotes and styling i think that’s wrong that’s good pr. I think Judy Greer has always been Lee’s friend. Didn’t he nominate her for the ice bucket challenge. Lee could’ve pulled a few strings to get her cast in the film Driven.

*I don’t think

Judy Greer ignored his challenge. She sided with Carter when they broke up. They just reconnected when doing driven.She wasn't in touch with Lee for 5 years so how could she tell Lee's never been happier? She's just a hypocrite birch.

R339 No he was with her around August 2018. He went somewhere with her and her partner. Some national park? Maybe related to CI. This was when she re appeared in his life. At least for the public. It seems like they hadn't been in touch before though who really knows. But with Anna F it's obvious they keep in touch, she always calls him "my Lee" on instagram and remembers about him.

Aufust 2017 in 340 obviously

R340 That was during Driven filming. Not CI, iirc It's Project about chimps she supports.

No, in summer, before people started talking about Matt.

[R278] we scarcely know who RA's non-industry friends are, but for both plays RA had visits from colleagues who he is obviously friendly with -- for Love, Love, Love he had visits from Jo Bending and her partner (they are obviously friends, not just colleagues), Ahna O'Reilly, Yael Farber (they seem to be friends), David Hewson, For Crucible his LAMDA class came to the play, also several Hobbit colleagues, including lesser known ones, and groups around his family / friends were observed at SD several times. Plus McKellen, Bloom and Pace came to the official opening. It was hard to observe who he left with in London b/c he left after everyone was shoo'd away from SD once he went back in, and in NYC he always left by car. He's not friendless but it's true that his friends are not social media lovers.

R340 yes lee and Judy have always been friends. I don’t think they advertise every time they get together. Lee isn’t big into SM when he’s with his friends so we know nothing lol. R343 he looks so good there.

No, they reconnected bc they had to work together in Driven. Judy always advertises what she does and who's with on sm and it's never been Lee until Driven.

R336 I agree with everything you said. Matthew Schneier is the one who interviewed him for NY times. Reading the article it's so obvious how they pushed the whole "gay" label in his face when Lee hates labels and keeps using the word queer. I don't think he lied either when he said "women". And women doesn't mean high school girls. And since they were so eager to explain everything, why not say he lied about women because he was afraid? He'd still be seen as the victim. It didn't happen because he never lied. (there's always AL to back that up). Notice how Anna F and Sarah never one time liked or published the article saying how proud they are. Greer did. And now Matt licks her ass and dresses her in TB. I think he just rolled with the article because the W one was a mess and Matt's friends knew the guy. The dude described him nicely and that was more than enough for him. I don't think he'd ever speak about it again. A radio host tried to remind him but he changed the subject.

R347 Was it the radio interview where he said "member of the queer community" again (in relation to some AIDS tragedy question) and then changed the subject quickly?

Matt hoped that when Lee come out he'd be able to go public and open and walk the red carpet holding hands like ZQ and Mile. Poor Matt tried hard but still can't get what he wants.

R349 Because it's not about him being a man or Lee being or not being out, it's about not wanting to put your relationship in front of the public.

The same trick going on. Bringing friends to film him and post things he wants to show off is the pattern we'll see over again.

R347 I wonder why Judy agreed then. I mean, Lee should have been the one to ask her, right? It's not like she knew Matt or the journalist. That's the weak point of the theory. He had to ask her directly, but what she said sounds like Matt wrote the words for her.

R350 That's Lee's policy. Matt wants to be out and open but Lee doesn't.

In r453 *Matt wants Lee to be out*

R348 He even said it in a radio interview? Well, there you go lol No, I was talking about another interview. The dude said smth like "you found yourself in this situation UNINTENTIONALLY" and Lee repeats "yeah, UNINTENTIONALLY" and goes on talking about the play and Joe Pitt.

Found it. Go to minute 8:00. The host says "there are funny times for you, you find yourself DELIBERATELY" and Lee says "maybe unintentionally". You should all check that YouTube channel. The latest 2 interviews are new for me. Last one published just 2 weeks ago.

I keep wondering how people here think they know Lee better than his own friends.

No forget about it lol. I misheard it. The host says "you've been funny at times" talking about his movies. Still check the interviews out

Btw I don't think he's that much into sex. I dunno why but he always stroke me as a person who can easily deal with longer periods of chastity.

Matt told Lee what Judy should say for that article and then Lee contacted her and told her what Matt came up with. I’m sure he didn’t tell Judy that it was Matt’s idea though. She owed Lee a favor because Lee pulled some strings to get her cast in Driven. That’s also why she is doing Thom Browne promotion. Makes sense, right? For the zodiac discussion, the sign Libra is spoken about but here we have the actual day Oct. 2nd which is Matt’s birthday. I think it accurately describes him. His is the Day of Verbal Acuity. He’s good with words, was from birth having an ability to manipulate people with what he says and writes. It’s what many have been saying about him for a while and now it’s written in a book, no one has made it up. There is the same anon on here that has twice mentioned that it is also Ghandi’s birthday. Comparing Matt to Ghandi? What does Ghandi have to do with this? Sounds like a drowning man grasping at straws with this comparison. R351 Matt’s friends’ stories are always the same thing. Wonder why? Think about it.

R259 One can always jerk off. That's also sex, with your most favorite person in the world.

R361 for R359 of course

Has anyone noticed how Lee will like posts from someone that has done him a favor? He will like their few latest posts after they’ve done him some favor and then he goes back to ignoring them almost completely. Just a like once in a great while. I have the impression that he doesn’t have friends, just contacts. Matt’s friends he treats as his own but they aren’t his friends. It’s one sided. They’re not his friends, they don’t give a shit about Lee. They only went to see his play because it was free and they got to go backstage, which must’ve been annoying for the rest of the cast, having Lee’s boyfriend’s friends hanging around being obnoxious thinking they’ve arrived. And unprofessional as well. Has anyone seen them go to any play apart from AiA? I have not.

R363 Judging from the way he treats dating, his real friends are simply hidden.

Why Lee doesn't promote his movies but he always promoting thom browne? More dedication to Matt‘s work than for his own. He has Sarah Michelle Gellar, Karen Gillan, judy Greer, Nathan Stewart-Jarrett wear it. Matt pushes him.to do it. Lee makes an.ass of himself in front of the world now. His ex girlfriend Alicia had Cynthia Nixon wear thom.browne and there was silence from tb, Lee and Matt too.

I hope TB pays him a LOT of money.

All those friends you’ve named wear other designers too. You’re just noticing the time they wore TB because you hate it so much lol

R365 Time for Anna Friel. But she knows Richard, so it’s goals for Matt. Everyone ignored it when Cynthia Nixon wore TB because Alicia styles her and they don’t like Alicia. And Cynthia N. is running for Governor of NY! Strange that none of the TB gang cares who’s wearing their clothes then. When it involves Alicia. Is it what’s good for the company Thom Browne or what’s good for Matt Foley? Who is this guy anyway? Who does he think he is? R367 YOU ARE SO EXHAUSTING!!!!!!!!!!! Each comment more manipulative than the next! Yes but they wore TB for Lee because Matt wants to use Lee for all the connections he can get. They didn’t wear TB before Lee dated the lizard man did they?

R367 it would be weird if they wore only tb clothes, but still it is all about pulling the strings, isn't it? Why do you assume I hate tb?

R368 He’s got an ego to worry about! Who cares what’s good for the company! I think all his bravado, slimy looks and attitude are to hide the fact that his dick is little, why else would a guy act like that? Confident men feel confidence coursing through their veins and don’t have any reason or need to show off or always try to prove to others how great they are, be it with fashion, money, friends or lifestyle!

Wow .... so many here 'seem' to know Lee personally. He had a gf (bites fist and counts to 10), has a small dick, has an ego etc. etc.

I need to put up an extra pot of tea for all of this! Rofl

Please continue ...

R371 I'm sure the small dick comment was about Mr Instagram

Matt is tall, he has fucking huge clown feet and long fingers and you are telling me you have deduced he has a small dick?! Lmao Regardless of dick size I’m sure lee enjoys it very much lol.

Height and dick size have no more in common than female height and pussy depth.

R374 sorry. I feel like that was spoken on behalf of small men everywhere. I stand corrected.

It's just a common misconception. And Matt has long feet and hands because he has ectomorph body type, it's common for that type. His abs are surprising though, too much muscle even considering very low body fat (you see muscle better when body fat %% is low). Maybe he works on his stomach most of the time.

Matt has a long chopstick 'look like' dock. Judging from his height and skinny body and legs.

R371 Damn where have you been so long! I brewed the calming tea hours ago! My toenails are rolling up and down when I read this ".Specialist knowledge " here by the insiders.

Haha talking to themselves again. Old habit die hard.

His dick size was commented on judging from his ego, not his body shape. But speaking of it, r376 his stomach muscles are so weird in comparison to the rest of his body. He’s not even broccoli! It’s just so weird. R374 True, but women are judged by everything else about their physical appearance so men will have to succumb to dick evaluation based on looks as well as how they act. It’s universal law. Or it should be. Women get their tits enlarged to look better and for their self esteem, men get to deal with dick size issues in the privacy of their pants. R373 I am sure Lee enjoys it, or at least a pretends he does so Matt doesn’t feel embarrassed. But he really must enjoy it because he’s with him still. Small dick and all.

Lee is tall and has a tiny dick.

R380 Yeah if he spends his whole life in the gym to get such abs, where are his biceps? Shoulders? Back? Remember Lee pumping up his muscles for GotG and Revolt? He had much more defined muscles in his arms, legs and back, but never that kind of abs, even though his natural body type is more athletic. So what's the deal with Matt's?

R381 You might have been convincing if AiA never happened.

R381 oh grow up! it’s not tiny. We’ve all fucking seen it. It’s perfectly normal. You must watch a lot of porn if you think those humongous sized dicks are “normal”.

R378 How do you and the Tea Sipping Queen exactly contribute to this thread? Sorry if some of us have different opinions from you. You are just lurking while we do the searching, post links and confront each other. I think older fans have indeed "insider knowledge" as you call it. After so many years of following and stalking, you'd be surprised of how much people know... Even more than Ms Judy Greer. She proved already who she is. No need for you to kiss her ass. We know who Lee's friends are. We know who Matt's friends are. So kindly fuck off unless you have smth interesting to say.

R384

Sorry if some of us don't have as much to time to search around for, or make up, gossip. I rather read that stuff and sometimes comment if I feel like it, after I get home from work. So forgive me for not 'contributing' enough, but I will better myself ...

R384 You have no idea how long I have been following him, but allow yourself an opinion. And you are so wrong. This shows how quickly false assumptions become false truth! It may be that it is because there is nothing really new to report at the moment. and if you expect me to respect your opinion, then please respect mine, even if she does not agree with yours!

R386 That's my point. What opinion? I read all your posts btw. You just came in with "lady tea" claiming that we are oh so wrong and like Jesus we been turning lies into truth all along. I work too, not so much now because I'm on holiday and I'm more active on Lee's threads. Every anon has a life. And I don't give a fuck for how long you been a fan, you brought nothing on the table yet have the guts to call us out. If you have an opinion state it. With arguments. But I guess is the same bs all over again. Oh AL was just a friend, Lee is 100% gay, since kindergarten never seen a pussy, JG is a nice lady who loves her friend and Matt is an innocent lamb. Don't play Nietzsche if you don't have the cards. That's what pissed me off. I always accept other people's opinions. I did so with Matt defenders, with anons and their weird theories about staging videos etc. I can understand not all of us are into posting but don't bring down people who actually lose their time to search and post things. And the whole "tiny dick" thing was a joke. Anons who don't like Matt say it all the time.

Do you think lee will go to TIFF with his film Dulce? Hope we get to see him again.

R387 Do you know why you think since "you" have so much knowledge and everyone is of your opinion? Exactly because of such posting as yours! If someone does not join in your song, they insult you, ignore them, and better keep their mouth shut. but this is exactly what makes a discussion, the different opinions and points.And btw, I do not think Matt is an innocent lamb, on the contrary, I like him, even because he's not such a "wannabe gentleman"!

The pictures are out there, Lee does have a smallish sized dick, at least when it’s soft. R382 Yes Matt’s abs don’t fit, there’s no muscle anywhere else, it doesn’t look natural. And yes Lee looked so good then! I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want to look that way when exposing his bare naked body to an audience. He is as thin as he should be, I hope he doesn’t get any thinner. This is another influence Matt has had on him, his weight. He’s still handsome but his looks have gone downhill since this new relationship. He’s aged so fast and I feel bad about that. Stress does that to people.

Does anyone know why Misha doesn’t follow Mr. Wonderful?

R390 Why wouldn't he want to look that way--

Because it's a lot of work and if you don't enjoy gym it's way too much work. He's fit now, not just slim, but if he wanted those Revolt muscles back, he'd have to spend much more time working out. Besides, if you have to do it in a short time, it can mess up your body afterwards. You get used to eating a lot and being on a protein diet and once you quit, you gain weight for a while until your body gets used to the new lifestyle.

Also, a lot of male celebrities use the gym mostly to shape their shoulders and upper arms (skipping everything else) because the masculine T-figure with wider shoulders is supposed to be the perfect body. He just naturally has it no matter what he does or doesn't do because he's built that way. Boyishly thin like on his teen photos or having put on a bit of weight like in HACF S2, still a natural beauty).

I'm not sure Matt is such an influence on his weight. He looked about the same in HACF S4 with no Matt around. On during the first season of P. Daisies. When he was running the NY race in late 2016 he looked thin too. Probably lost some weight on purpose because when you are tall, you need to be skinny for effective running. But it's the healthy kind of thin.

I don’t think it’s the healthy kind of thin. His face looks literally gaunt at some angles. His arms are so skinny! His chest bones are protruding. He’s lost his vibrancy. The rapid onset aging. What happened? And no it wasn’t the play because the other actors didn’t have it happen to them. Seriously, compared to a year ago it looks like he got hit by a truck.

R390 Lee doesn't have a tiny dick. First of all, from that distance you can't see well, he has a bush and also you can't make out the size when it's soft. A "normal size" looks smaller on taller men btw. I can't believe I know this shit😂😂😂 Matt's abs are normal and natural. It may look weird because he's so petite. I think they look good.😏

Matt's abs look fake. He doesn't have any muscles on other parts of the body.

R387

I just came in? I have been on DL for just over a year! lol I just decided last week to give myself a name here. So you have NO idea what I mentioned at all in all of these months I have been here. I just toned it down the last few weeks. And what did you bring onto the table here, since you're an anon there is no telling. Btw, I didn't know that bringing 'food' onto the table was a requirement here. This is a gossip pile, not a news website, we are allowed to bring whatever we want here, even if YOU don't like it.

R395 Well, "no telling anons" like me entertain lurkers like you. And you keep forgetting that I'm not talking about your opinion. Since you never state it. I don't care what you did on other threads. I was talking about this thread. I didn't like the way, all of a sudden, when we finished our convo you and your little friend shut us all down. Who is "making up gossip" and telling "lies"? Make up gossip means linking Matt to Lee's coming out? Lies about what? If we are all trolls who make up shit then you must know the truth. So what is the truth, Queenie?

R396

There are 396 comments in this thread so far, and my 6 comments (including 3 towards you) shut you and others down? Seriously? My comments didn't ruffle anyone's feathers except for yours. You need to come up with something better.

This is a gossip site, not a fact site. If I had to believe what is posted here, then Lee loves heavy drugs, orgies, had a gf, was violent with Richard, made out with a strange guy in a cab, was a skank behind the scenes of PD etc. etc. etc. So yeah, potentially all made up. No facts to back all of that up.

Bye bye now Anon.

Not to sound like a stalker but matt seems active on Instagram now and past few hours. Maybe they’re away somewhere somewhere in Europe? Could be just work for matt.

R397 The others don't lose their time. I lost mine trying to get arguments from you. We weren't talking about the things you listed. Wtf?? And many were jokes (do you actually believe anons claim for real they have orgies?). Yes love, he had a gf. At least 3 in high school. He said it himself. Or you gonna call him a liar? We had as much proof that he dated AL as he dated RA. If not more. Photos, family sightings etc. It's your problem if you don't wanna believe it. But to put AL near fanfiction it's idiotic. You weren't capable to answer my questions. It's ok. You can go back to lurking now.

R398 Maybe they waked up early or stayed up till morning. You don't have to be in Europe to like photos on Instagram.

R400 true! Sometimes I wake up around 2 or 3 am. I can't help grabbing my phone and check ig tw for a few minutes then go back to sleep.

We don't know for sure. Maybe they woke up to go somewhere and be there early or they just don't sleep at night. I don't understand why Europe has to be an option every single time. Maybe Matt is not even with Lee. We don't know their location and their time zone. Matt's activity on Instagram still amazes me. If I were on Lee's farm + dating Lee I'd bury my phone in 2 seconds. But that's just me and Matty had him for one year now.

Matt's with Richie Shazem 22 hrs ago obviously in NY. Check Richie's ig stories.

It seems like Matt lives his life by spending 80% of his time with work and friends and 20% with Lee.

R404 100% on instagram you meant

If that is true than in that short amount of time he spends with him why the need for keeping his friends around? So how much alone time do they get? And you must take into account his incessant instagram usage also while he’s with Lee. So if your calculations are correct, and I’m no mathmagician, that already small 20% is more like 5%. Lee does let him have friends over a lot so maybe they just get along better if there are other people around. Maybe they don't get along well together or they’re bored with each other’s company. On the other hand it may appear they went somewhere together.

Maybe it's not Matt who wants that lifestyle. Maybe it's Lee. Never thought about it? Maybe this way of dating, meeting from time to time mostly with friends around, is what Lee wants from him, not the other way around.

I really don’t see the big deal of having friends round to your house every so often. People are acting like it’s a really weird thing. If I owned a 6 bedroom house in the middle of nowhere I’d probably have friends over too tbh. The house is big enough they can escape from their guests if they want to. I’m sure lee and matt have plenty alone time. If they were bored of each other they would break up. It’s not like they have to stay together because they’ve kids or something. I don’t think Lee would have any trouble meeting someone new if they broke up or matt for that matter.

R408 Well I have plenty of long time friends like this. We meet from time to time and have fun with each other, but we'd bore or annoy each other if we spent more time together. It's normal to not want to be alone with your partner all the time, or to not be madly in love with them. Even if it destroys the fairy tale epic love fans love to imagine.

R407 if that’s Lee’s decision to have that type of relationship with Matt that sucks for Matt. How can that be real love? How could you feel loved by someone that didn’t want to be around you? First time I’ve felt bad for Matt, if that is true. R409 I’d say that is natural for long time friends but not for a love relationship with a significant other. You wrote, “It’s normal to not want to be alone with your partner all the time, or not be madly in love with them.” First of all that’s sad (also true in some cases), but what 407 wrote they are not describing that type of scenario at all. They wrote something completely different. Describing a couple where one doesnt want to be with the other hardly at all, only meeting from time to time? And then only mostly with friends around? Thats really bad. That’s not a healthy relationship and I feel bad for anyone that has a partner like that.

R410 He dated several people seriously during his life and I'm sure there will be more. Why does this one have to be real love?

Guys... We see friends over when they post smth on social media and it doesn't happen everyday. Do we know what Lee did when AIA ended? Nope. Perhaps he was alone at the farm with Matt. They are silent when they are together. I think 80% of the time they are alone. We get pics from friends once a month or every 2 months. Rarely every week. What do you think they do in the mean time? Of course they are alone. Now, if Matt spends that time on Instagram or working... That's another story😒 I don't stan Matt, don't think it's true love but he's not a fuck buddy either. One thing the NY article confirmed: it's a serious relationship. Like it or not.

R412 In the meantime they are working. Among other things. And "they are silent when they are together" is also not proven. It's like with RA, people assumed they were spending time together if no one posted anything on twitter, for reasons unfathomable.

And R412 of course he isn't a fuck buddy, it's been a year. Although his appearance in that article seems more of a political move than a romantic one. I could be mistaken but it doesn't seem to be Lee's style to announce his relationships. That whole article is very formulaic. Before the homophobic troll is out with hysterics - I am "a member of the queer community" myself. Still, formulaic.

One thing we can agree upon, we don't really know the truth. It could be something very, very far from all these theories anyway.

I think we’re over analysing their relationship. They’re in a serious relationship. As simple as that. They don’t have agendas, they obviously enjoy each other’s company. They spend alone time and time with friends. They’re two adults both in their thirties. I think they may want to settle down now. Most of Lee’s friends are married or in long term relationships. Even his brother and sister have partners and families. I think they’re in it for the long run. Sorry haters hope i didn’t upset you all too much. Deep breathes lol

Every time Lee gets a partner and it goes beyond initial dating people start saying, well, he probably wants to settle down now. I find it amusing. Such a female outlook, sorry for being sexist.

R414 Lee finished his job with AIA. TB didn't have any important contracts, shows. What makes you think "in the meantime they are working?" As an executive producer you work 24/7. You can do it from home, on a laptop, on the phone, contacting people. Not necessarily from a studio/office. Maybe that's why he's so much on his phone, liking pics on Insta. And he could be doing all of this while with Lee easily. I know the NY article was a PR move but it's obvious some people just want them to be apart for some reason. If you believe Matt visits him only when posted on Insta... Poor Lee he must get some once a month😂😂 I'm gonna go with: they are dead silent when they are alone. R415 I agree but Matt doesn't struck me as the "settle down" type. On the contrary. R416 Yes but I kind of believe Lee really wants to settle down. It's just that he gets bored or the passion disappears. Aries man. Minute 10:00

R416

I'm a female and I'm just waiting for the relationship to kick the bucket to bury it! (I've already dug the hole!!!) (lol)

R417 An actor's job goes beyond actually being on stage or in front of a camera.

R416 most men want to settle down with a long term partner. It’s a myth that gay men don’t want to spend their lives with someone forever. Very few men chose to be single. Some gay men may have a different view of monogamy but the majority want the same partner. They may not want to have kids but let’s face it, only very rich men can afford surrogates and adoption isn’t for everyone.

According to this tweet "the cast and crew" of "Driven" will attend the movie premiere at the Venice Festival.

Will Lee and Judy appear wearing TB?

R420 Some people are satisfied with dating whoever they like or love at the moment, not making any grand plans for the future. Not everyone cares for love in an epic sense or is afraid to be alone. You don't have to choose to be single. But this incessant idea that a long term partner needs to be the same person for dozens of years... it's pretty dated anyway. Not everyone is able to be in love with the same person for many years. Not everyone needs to share their whole life with their partner, either.

R421 You bet they will. TB must raise Matt's profits, his personal affairs are bringing them nice publicity.

R421 holly cow I secretly wished they wouldn't come lol Not sure I'm gonna be able to stay till the 8th. I'm getting a lil anxious. Damn damnnn

Excited for this film and cast. Excited for Lee! Hope he brings Matt. How exciting would it be to go your your bf’s movie premiere?! Live the dream Matthew!! lol

That's cool. I'll be in Greece in late August so could take a look at Italy I guess? Though every hotel in Venice must raise their prices 10x during the festival.

R426 please go! We need a dl insider with all the gossip.

R427 I doubt there is any gossip to get from a movie festival when you aren't invited to any real parties.

R428 Exactly. But I may go just to see him. It's very tough tho. Hotels are super expensive and don't mind the other things like the boat you gotta get from one terminal to another. That's expensive for tourists too. I wouldn't recommend it for someone who comes from the other side of the world. It's not worth the money unless you meet Lee. Like face to face. I go to Venice every year, I have relatives there but I'm still not convinced I wanna lose time and money just to see Lee for 2 sec. And I have no idea how exactly this thing works. I avoided festivals all my life🙄

Lee did not make a public appearance with Matt as his partner when he did AiA. Matt was in the vicinity of the stage door and he was at the opening party, but Lee did not make a red carpet-type appearance with Matt. I wouldn't hold my breath for Lee and Matt showing up as an obvious couple at a movie premiere.

R430 again. While I'm here, I might as well point out the latest Lillian irritation. The juvenile attention whore posts a happy birthday pic of her hideously tattooed boyfriend (who I must admit does have a pretty face), but she makes sure that her immature "Daddy" ring is prominently displayed so the attention stays on her. (There are as many comments on her post about her ring as there are acknowledging the guy's birthday.) I wonder when she will figure out that she is not 15 years old...nor is she worthy of the inordinate level of attention she thinks she deserves.

I like Lee, but the more time he spends with people like this or encourages their behavior, the less respect I have for him. Matt himself doesn't even bother me; it's his friend circle I find problematic.

R430 But Lee had never allowed a video like the one we saw last week either. I wouldn't call it a couple video, of course, but still it's a new development. Unless you count a few shots in the Costa Rica video six months ago.

Anyway I'm not sure Lee will go. It makes sense for him to go, of course, but the cast announcement didn't specifically include his name and it's only been a little while after AiA with its ocean wave of public attention. Maybe he will go since it's an excellent career move and he will just have to show up once at the closing ceremony. Only one night, it's not that much.

R429 If he appeared at the opening ceremony one could buy the special ticket that makes you an actual guest of the ceremony not just someone who comes in to watch a movie. But Driven will be presented at the very end and I can't imagine Lee being there for a week.

Although he might turn it into an Italian vacation? Arrive to walk the red carpet at the opening night, then disappear for a week until Driven and the last night party. I don't see any special tickets for the last night though.

Lee didn't allow that vid. Reid sneak. I didn't think he asked Lee for permission.

R347 I was scrolling back down because my cookies are weird and I noticed I missed your answer. So Schneier the NY journalist is linked to Matt's whole crew on social media. Wow that crazy conspiracy theory suddenly doesn't seem so crazy anymore. Don't tell me they all know Moylan too.

Also to be honest I don't understand the logic behind Lee's reticence. If Matt is important enough to mention him in the article specifically (it's not like a random journalist asked Lee a question he couldn't turn down, the article was constructed in a way that referred to Matt twice, once by the journalist and once by Judy), then why not go out with him? He lets people call him gay in public; the world has no doubt he is dating a man right now. I'm not saying he should turn into one of those annoying people who share cheesy couple selfies. But why is he not the official boyfriend after being mentioned as one? If he doesn't want it public and official, why mention him at all?

R434 Lee saw Reid doing it. He could have asked him not to publish it. I doubt Reid is nasty enough to say no when a friend does that.

R431 I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING! Like exactly! It’s her bf’s birthday and rather than post a really nice flattering picture of him she pulls that cunty bullshit. She’s nothing special, that dude should run for the hills if he knows what’s good for him. I’m losing respect for Lee because he enjoys the company of these people. The Judy Greer thing where she was mentioned by TB for wearing their clothing (as a favor to Lee to Matt’s advantage) and Cynthia Nixon didn’t get mentioned when she wore them because she was styled by Alicia and Matt has personal issues against her. Cynthia N. wearing their clothes right now is super good exposure for them but they lost it because their employee, Matt, is self centered and immature. I would be furious if he was working for me and pulled a stunt like that. R434 Lee knew Reid was doing it, and I read up thread where someone stated that Lee looked at him and that’s why he changed focus to the chickens. Lee never looked at Reid in that vid. He looked over at Matt’s hand when he lifted it.

R436 But Lee has no choice. When your boyfriend has a crew he keeps a very close relationship with, you either accept the crew or lose the boyfriend. Unless said boyfriend is so much in love he will drop his friends to be with you just because you dislike them. Unless you are willing to ask him to do so.

It is not fair to judge Lee because of them. He didn't choose them. They came with Matt. Maybe Lee likes them, maybe he can barely stand them, maybe he thinks they are okay. No idea. But it's not like he made them his friends after randomly meeting them.

The Cynthia Nixon situation is sooo interesting and kind of amusing. Matt isn't above doing personal stuff at work, hm. Hmm? I literally see zero reason for him not to use Cynthia for media exposure. Unless it's really about Alicia but considering he wasn't even around when they dated (it is assumed they broke up around the time when HACF4 started filming right? Or maybe pandas? winter 2017 and Matt wasn't there until summer), if it is really about Alicia then he is either very insecure or very shallow? But if it's not about her, then why why why?

And if Reid is shooting secret videos of his friend's celebrity boyfriend without him being aware and uploading them to his instagram, he's a dick.

I wouldn’t be surprised if suddenly after writing r436 that TB posts photos of of Cynthia N. But who knows.

A gubernatorial candidate wears Thom Browne and it gets no mention from the company? Isn’t that Matt’s job? TB social media director? So it must be personal. He can’t stand Alicia that much? Come on Matt, Lee fucked her before you even knew him! Hahahahaha!! Focus on your job more than immature feelings, you’re an adult, act like it! Work is work, be professional.

Now I posted about 1000 comments tonight but I forgot why I actually came. I came to tell the dick critic something from my friend who had a $500 front row seat. It's really cold near the stage for some reason. Maybe the air conditioner is old so they pump it up in order to cool the whole place properly. (He wore a nice suit, with a dress shirt, and by the first intermission it was freezing.) Poor Lee must have felt very much a method actor when dropping his clothes during a scene that's supposed to happen in winter. Even so, it was a very nice view, not at all out of proportion with his build. He didn't look gaunt up close, either.

Who pays attention to Judy Greer let alone the event she was attending. Cynthia Nixon is getting massive media exposure right now yet TB didn’t feature her anywhere. Hmmmm.......Ridiculous

If Cynthia suddenly gets a highlight tomorrow, I will die.

I disagree, he did look gaunt and his dick is smallish in proportion to his body. The pictures are even more unflattering. Sucks but it’s true, in my opinion.

I think some people say he looks gaunt because they are used to him having slightly rounded cheeks when he smiles. You know what I mean. But once he loses a certain amount of weight, he has more chiseled cheekbones.

Here, a clip from a 2010 movie to illustrate the cheeks.

R436 You never had respect for Lee to begin with. Your vitriol jealousy against Matt is extremely telling. Don’t bother denying it. It’s right there for all to see. You don’t know Matt at all to call him self centered and immature. He has done nothing to indicate he is like that. Obviously Lee likes his boyfriend’s friends or they wouldn’t be around him. He’s no weakling and can take care of himself. It’s crazy the amount of hate Matt and his friends get just for being in Lee’s life.

R445 I'm a different poster but did you forget about Matt low key exposing Lee half a year before he was forced to come out? He had a celebrity boyfriend who had been in the closet for 15 years and he thought nothing of posting his half naked pics while rumors about their relationship were already circulating. That's not a theory, he really did that, many people saw his instagram. Many people thought he was shady since that time. Even though Lee obviously forgave.

R445 *gasps* Well I never!

R440 I also attended and was front row closest to where he was stripping and he does have a smallish dick which I thought wasn’t proportional. Nothing wrong with that but with his height I expected it be a bit bigger than what it was even when limp. Not massive or anything like that cuz I figured he wouldn’t be well hung anyway considering he never had much of a bulge anyhow when he wore trousers. R446 I think you all are reading too much into what Matt does and thinking you know what he and his friends are up to in regards to using Lee’s celebrity status. Which to be honest, Lee isn’t all that well known or famous enough for people to pay any attention to what he’s wearing or who he’s dating. Calling Lee the celebrity boyfriend really is reaching. I love the guy and think he’s great. But he’s really not much of a celebrity nor all that famous. So who really cares if Matt was posting about Lee on his social media. That’s what couples do. I do it, my friends & family do it. So do Lee’s family & friends. Treating Lee any differently cuz he’s an actor is insulting. I’m sure he wants to be treated like anyone else and without fuss. I think to Matt Lee’s just a great guy he enjoys being with. Why anyone would think Matt is shady is beyond me. I just think it’s a bunch of sour grapes tbh. lol

Is the tea sipping Queen still here? Please, get some tea, quick! Someone really needs it! ( r445 r448 ) Hurry, they’re melting down as we speak.

R448 That people like to compare themselves to celebrities is ridiculous. Nobody care about your bf. You can post him naked. Nobody care. LOL Stop comparing yourselves to celelebs.

What I mean in r450 is it's different condition when your bf is a nobody.

R448 You must be straight yes? He was a known public figure in the closet. The closet. That's what matters. Not him being/not being Brad Pitt level famous. Even if he played in a local community theater it would have been pretty shady to do what Matt did. But he is famous enough to have fans running after him when he leaves the theater. You underrate his celebrity. He is not a name known to every regular moviegoer, sure, but he is a name. The combination of these two facts will make Matt shady from here to eternity even if he saves the world in the future.

Why do I always hit post too early when I get emotional?

And Lee being the sweet forgiving guy that he is won't change my own opinion about all that.

R450 Like regular people really care about Lee Pace? 🙄 Please. The only people who know who he is are diehard fans. R452 Not sure what my sexuality has to do with the topic at hand but yeah. So? When I mentioned to people I was going to see a Broadway play in NYC they didn’t even know who Lee was when I named the actors in AinA and was more excited about Andrew. Like I said only his diehard fans would know who he is and those are the ones who chase him down the street. That type of fan isn’t going to do anything for Matt’s career or ego for that matter. So posting about Lee via his social media is normal behavior for him. Still doesn’t make him shady no matter what anyone says. R449 🙄🙄 Yeah sure. I’m so having a meltdown cuz of a bunch of jealous fan girls. You’re really funny. Thanks for the laugh.👍

So Matt ist the real Slim Shady

R454 at least 264 k on twister 138k on Insta and more than 1 million on weibo care. LOL All those his follows are regular people.

Oh please, real stars have millions of followers on twitter and IG, the 15 yo kid who played in The Book of Henry with LP has 2.5 millions followers on IG. A starlette and beard like Eli Canalis, Clooney's ex, has almost 2 mill. LP is stalked by his stans, but outside the small circle of his fandom, he is not known. Nobody, in general public, had the chance, or interest, to notice MF's stories from Brittany, or his friends' ones from Costa Rica or the farm. Only a small part of his fandom stalk all those accounts, general public know absolutely nothing.

R454 r457 Lee is a celebrity. He's in Captain Marvel too. Are you angry that r450 call your bf a nobody?

A celebrity with a small SM follow. Numbers are there and can't be denied. I'm not discussing his relevance, skills or whatever, just saying he is followed close by small numbers so, for a general audience pov, his friends posting untagged IG stories has no importance.

R454 What your sexuality has to do with it is that you literally don't even understand what having your closet destroyed can do to a person if you compare it to a simple boyfriend reveal.

Though perhaps I shouldn't be too hard on you because the W journalist and Matt are both gay and neither of them seems to get it.

In no way shape or form did matt out lee before moylan did and Lee technically outed himself because he answered the question - he could’ve avoided it. Anyone who new lee was gay before matt knew he was gay and anyone who thought he was straight didn’t think he and matt were dating. I read online that he was married to Kelly and then I read somewhere he was dating Daniel R. Was there one mention of lee and matt in France together in the media -no! Not one gossip site picked it up because no one cares except a few stans

The few stans must be important to Matt and his friends because they love having Lee’s fans follow them online and check them. And if Lee is a nobody then someone should tell Matt. He hid at AiA for months to keep his privacy and why did he remove 700 posts from his Instagram? He knew his relationship with Lee would draw attention and that people would give a fuck.

Why do you assume they love having all the follows from Lee’s fans? I don’t get the immediate assumption. What about the girl who used to comment on every Nick Haramis post about lee. Do you think he loved that? Or just put up with it lol. I see very few comments on matts insta posts and almost none on his friends posts. Matt deleting insta posts is his choice. I’ve barely any insta pics of my own and I’ve deleted a few. I think they were mainly pics of his ex which is fair enough imo. I know I’ve deleted most pics of my ex of my Sm and my friends do it too. Maybe he didn’t like the way he looked in some of them. Who knows and anyway is it really that big of a deal. Matt isn’t stupid and knows he’s being followed by Lee’s fans if he wants to delete all his pics so what?

On the subject of Matt's friends, there's one thing I don't understand: is Kelly Connor Lawrence Conor's sister, wife, just a friend and co-worker or none of the above?

They’re co workers. Lawrenceconor is his insta id. His name is Conor Lucas, and Lillian is his wife.

Did u notice Lillian D. has the same weird chin, smug and empty eyes like Matt? They look almost like siblings

R466 It's the bitchy attitude. They are besties after all

R465

Thank you!

R466 R467

"Birds of a feather flock together!" In this case, I guess we're talking about peacocks or, perhaps, cockatoos...

Aslaug, give us more of your wisdom in "bitch modus"! Me likey!!!

Me likey, too, Lagertha! R466 Aslaug in bitch modus, it’s because they have no souls.

So does anyone have any ideas why Misha doesn’t follow Matt? I find it intriguing. Makes me wonder.

Same as MattB ZQ and Mile, Matt usually follows and is followed Lee friends when they meets. Lee and Matt went to ZQ's bd party but they don't follow each other. No evidence but I thought Lee and Matt went to the play The Boys of the band. Matt and Chalie Carver follow each other but not with MattB. This makes ma wonder too.

R470 replied to r469

R470 Is it any wonder they don’t follow Matt? He is a nobody that thinks he is somebody. He already humiliates himself by the way he acts although he doesn’t realize it. Real celebrities shun those types of people and they also probably assume that he will use them as contacts to advertise TB as a favor because they are friends of Lee’s. They can plainly see as we do how he uses Lee in that way. They don’t want or need that kind of shit. Matt is the type of guy that brings negativity with him with a smile on his face. I think they deal with manipulative users like him all the time in Hollywood and they recognize them immediately and don’t need them in their private life. Not to mention it is just another relationship of Lee’s that will not last, they see the writing on the wall. Imho

R472 It's been a year. I don't know about you, but to me it's a pretty long relationship. Even if they didn't really spend all of it together.

Long? For a high school relationship maybe.

Yeah, long. Passion starts drying down in a few months if you can have sex as often as you want. To stay together for a year or two in a monogamous (we don't know that but I assume) relationship, serious feelings are required.

I mean if someone introduced a person to me that they've been exclusively dating for a year, I wouldn't have thought, "well it will not last so whatever". I would have thought "wow maybe this one will last, what's so special about him, I wonder". Actually that's what I wonder about Matt indeed. What is so special about him that a whole year wasn't enough to cool Lee off? How on earth did he manage to last so long?

Lee has had other relationships that lasted a few years and none have panned out. Matt can be considered an inevitable ex and on tossed on that same pile. Matt is the worst one of them all so it’s obvious. Especially to those that know Lee for a long time. I know a dozen or so people that do the same as Lee does. Serial monogamists. They date people for 1-3, sometimes 4 years and then it’s splitsville. And everyone that knows them knows its going to happen everytime they get with someone new.

There is a theory that being in love doesn't last past 3 years. I forgot details, though. Something about emotional cycles. And then you realize, nope, not real love--and go on to search for real love that will last. I guess Lee is a true romantic.

I think what people are wondering about Matt and Lee being together for a year is how the hell he’s managed to last this long because he’s not a nice guy and Lee is. They are shocked it’s lasted this long because of the way Matt behaves and the kind of negative man he is. People don't wonder what’s so special about Matt, they wonder what the hell Lee is thinking staying with a guy like that.

R479 Not so much not nice, but not... special. I don't know how to describe it. He is attractive (very attractive for an average person, but Lee hangs out in circles where you meet a lot of attractive people so you have to be really gorgeous to stand out), seems to be a smooth talker (PR people, all of them are good at being sociable), he's reasonably educated, but once again nothing special. Most people I know in real life have a similar level of education, it doesn't make them interesting because you only need a bit of money for that, not a brilliant mind. He has no charisma. No sexual energy, despite his love of being photographed semi-naked. He doesn't seem intellectually stimulating, either. Or curiously eccentric in the way some creative types are. So what does Lee see in him when he could have had any other guy like that? Why this one? What do they even talk about?

And the thing about Lee, despite people here saying he has no personality, is that he has an interesting personality. He's the kind of person you could talk to in bed. Not just fuck and then get back to your laptop immediately because every time your lover opens his mouth you feel like taking a nap.

R480 Why this one? The recurring theme in the Matt discussion is the word of the day: manipulation.

R482 Manipulation can make you trust someone who shouldn't be trusted, right, but how can it make a person more attractive or interesting than they would have been otherwise?

R483 Through manipulative skills.

R481 I think Lee is genuinely interested in other people’s points of view, the right people, not just anyone. People with strong personalities. I think when he finds someone interesting he asks them a lot of questions to get to know them better and takes on their interests for a while before getting bored, ditching them and moving on to the next interesting person. It looks like Lee’s personality is merging his likes and hobbies to the current people he finds fascinating. After a certain amount of time those people and interests become monotonous, repetitive and dull. His life may feel uneventful and unvaried. So he moves on.

LOL seems Matt is not short for Matthew but for either Machiavelli or Mephistopheles.

R484 I think it's not merging, it's exploring. He likes exploring new things just like he prefers new and different characters and projects. Like a traveler who seeks new places.

The way you say it, you are softening I what I wrote too much. Everyone likes exploring new things but he takes it to a different level. It’s like he’s obsessed with something for a while and then he finds something new to obsess about and leaves the previous interest in the dust. Surely you must agree, it is plain as day. I don’t think it is anything like a traveler seeking new places, that’s comparing apples to oranges.

R486 I'm not softening it, I just view it positively I guess. It's only natural to be bored with something you have already explored. Once you learn something, you want to move forward and find something new. Unless you get interested in something very complex, something that cannot be explored quickly and thoroughly. If it is true in Lee's case, then I can see why he liked to compare himself to Joe M. Once an exciting mystery becomes an everyday routine, time to continue on your way.

Your theory would also mean that he is always the one to break up with a partner, and it's nice, because it would also mean he doesn't get hurt quite as much, and I always felt compassion for him, thinking he was more sensitive than his partners.

I wonder in what kind of relationships y'all have been if you consider one year a long term. One year is nothing. We can start talking about a long-term relationship after 5 years or so.

The way some posters here are describing Lee he moves from one partner to the next like hes one of those celebrities who always getting engaged. Lee has had only long term bfs that we know for sure about. As for matt why is he being labelled manipulative? Because they’ve been dating a year and people can’t believe that lee really loves him? Lee is not in high school dating anymore. He’s had a few long term bfs so I’m sure at this stage he knows what he wants in a partner. I don’t think you can judge someone’s personality by their Instagram page. No one here has met matt so it’s unfair to judge him so harshly. If we judged lee by his, he wouldn’t seem very interesting. He rarely smiles in his selfies. Yet we know lee likes to have fun and laugh on set. He organises dance offs! He is labelled as a giant teddy bear by his co stars and can rarely get through a funny story without giggling his way through it.

Aslaug, I'd say 10 years for common people are already a long time, nowadays. But in celebrities case, relationships are short, it's hard to find people living together (as far as their jobs permit that) for more than 5 years. I guess we define the relationships LP had/has LTR in contrast to the quick flings celebrities are showing/faking for paps delight (and deals). One name, to remain in Hobbit field: Luke Evans.

Aslaug, I agree one year is nothing really. I’ve been with my other half for nearly 17 years. However I think after a year you know if you love that person. I think when you know you know. We were in love after a month of being together and practically living together after 3 months lol.

R491 Why do I not believe you? 😂

Matt keeps his Instagram page the way that he likes it. And that way is reflective of his personality. It shows a man that is repulsive to most of the population, in the way he keeps himself and his portrayed attitude. If there is a true self to him, a sincere nice guy hiding in there somewhere, where has he ever shown it? How could anyone deduce from his social media that he is anything but arrogant and all the other foul descriptions anons here have written? Like it or not, social media tells a lot.

R488 To me, any kind of relationship that goes beyond dating for a few months is long term. Five years is an extremely long relationship.

R489 You can't compare them in that way because Lee isn't much into social media anyway, at least that's how it looks. There is too little content to draw conclusions from. But if you watch and read his interviews, there is a certain kind of impression, and it's not a boring one.

R484 I agree and that's why I keep saying he has no personality. He may have one, he's a charming guy but he's too much into pleasing everybody and taking on his present partner's interests and needs for it to emerge. It's not necessarily a bad thing but other people could take advantage of him. I personally thing he needs a person who understands him and pays attention to his interests too. Matt gives off a manipulative vibe and seems self centered. We could be wrong but I honestly don't think Matt will be his last one.

Matt Bomer, 1000 posts about the end of his play and Lee close to 0. It's getting frustrating

R496 I would disagree with you. I think matt does pay attention to Lee’s interests. He was at AiA countless times it was almost embarrassing. He seems to enjoy hanging out on the farm. He looked after Pete when lee was in PR and organised a CI awareness thing with Thom Browne’s dog Hector. But I suppose to some people that’s not good enough. I doubt anyone’s opinion of matt will change on this board. Matt and lee could be married with six adopted children and people would still say it’ll never last. People will always say matt is manipulating lee somehow and lee has no personality lol. It’s like the matt bomer threads with the same bitches saying over and over again matt and his husband are on the verge of splitting up all these years.

R498 Are you the person who said (back in March) that going to your celebrity boyfriend's big Broadway play meant selflessly supporting him?

R499 👏👏👏

Unless your presence is an open statement in support of something, attending dozens of shows isn't a sign of support, just the need to get some reflected light from AiA and partner. Real support is out of the theatres, is helping your partner with the choices, tolerate them while they prepare the character, giving them the space to develop it. It means keeping this preparatory phase quiet and good for them to have to think only to their job. This is support. The rest is showing off.

R501 a very predictable reply from someone who doesn’t like matt. If he’s supporting lee he’s showing off if he’s not doing anything he’s not showing any interest in Lee’s interests. As I say before, matt will never be able to do anything right in some posters eyes. I guess this is what happens to celebrity partners! Just noticed Armie Hammers wife has a whole thread on dl dedicated to bashing her.

My comment was generic and holds true for everyone. Tbh, I don't have any opinion about MF, I don't know him, I don't want to judge him or LP. But I'm fed up with the theory of the supporting partner because they show themselves, and their friends, at a play. As I said, it woul dhave a strong meaning if the partner, or the play, received bad press, i.e., homophobic remarks, political troubles and so on. Then, attending that specific play, you take a side. If a partner is involved, you support the partner. The rest is just fun.

R503 Yes. Every time someone is showing off their partner or showing up for some public event, it is seen as support even though said partner is attractive and famous. Alice supported Bob by walking the red carpet with him. Yeah right.

R498 Make this COMPARISON (since you think we all hate Matt) From the things you listed (AIA doesn't count--he got free tickets and it was the least he could do) : Matt looked after Pete - Lee promotes TB. Who's using who?

Matt looked after Pete alone? Why do I not believe it? He has dog lovers among his friends, maybe they were in it together.

R498 Where's the pic of Matt and Pete while Lee's in PR ? Or you just imagine things.

There were a few pics and an insta story floating around when lee was in PR of matt, Kelly and Daniel R at the farm and then one taken inside matts appt of Pete and arctic freeze. That’s when the rumors started of matt dating Daniel.

So that pic means he was actually looking after Pete for weeks? Hmm.

They've just both been on insta at same time. Do we know where they are?

It seems like no one knows anything.

We'll know soon. Matt has his way to hint.

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They must be away somewhere. Matt or lee havent been on Instagram in hours. Hope they’re having a nice time wherever they are. Doubt they’ll share any pics with us. Lee will probably share some after the vacation like he did in Costa Rica

I thought you can’t tell anything by Instagram likes? Change your mind? I hope Matt focuses on his vacation rather than being online constantly like usual. But the way he is I don’t think think he can enjoy anything. He is so miserable and conceited that the only thing that would make him happy is a legion of people at his feet praising him daily. I wonder if he pays his own way on vacation or has Lee pay for everything. Matt seems like a tightwad to me. Not that he doesn’t have some extra pocket change but that he doesn’t like parting with it. Especially since his bf has a lot more and can afford it.

R514 Hopefully we’ll get some New Zealand pics from Chantal Claret.

so it's once again a vacation with friends?

R517 Where are they and who are they with?

I was asking because of the previous comments, especially R516

Chantal is with her husband and their dog. No sight of Lee. Donno why R516 mentioned her.

And I don’t think they’re in New Zealand, more like in Europe.

Either Pan is snooping around here, or she found it somewhere else. Weibo?

So PaceMatt are in Europe ... it seems.

she saw it on weibo.

R523 and the girl on weibo who has her account dedicate to Matt snoops around here so rumors in a circle. LOL

They could be anywhere actually. Lee liked the photographer’s posts around 7pm NYC time which is about midnight in Europe.

R524 Exactly! I’m also R520 R521

Hello, Chinese speaking Matt Stan. Nice to see you here.

Miss Pan, if you are here, please tell me your weibo name. I’ll make sure to block you. 😝 R527 Nihao！😘

CSMS, I'm not Miss Pan. I'm not even Chinese, LOL

R529 I know. That was for Miss Pan. Hello to you, too.

Ok, got it. CSMS stands for Chinese speaking Matt Stan.

Miss Pan just saw their Instagram activity at 3 or 4 am US time and figured it out that they must be in Europe. So, really You don’t need to be a genius or follow DL to figure it out they are in Europe (for their 1st anniversary). Besides they do it intentionally liking the same things at the same time. They want people to speculate and discuss where they are and if together. Lee did it before with Richard and Alicia so nothing new in his immature behavior.

Why does a 40 year old man behave like that?

Maybe Matt used Lee's phone to like pic at the same time as his while Lee'going to the bathroom. Just kidding but may be true. Lol

R532, of course there is no possible explanation for social media "likes" other than they are in Europe celebrating their first anniversary.

Have you selected a title for your fan fiction? What are their pet names for one another? What are they having for breakfast in bed? Are they sharing clothes yet? Oh, please go on. ...

I remember Lee did do it with Richard and Alicia and he’s dragging Matt down the same path. It is indeed immature behavior and I’m always surprised when he acts like that. I wouldn’t believe it if I haven’t whitnessed it over the years myself. I wish it was fan fiction. It’s too embarrassing for it to be the real life antics of a 40 year old man. Is it a game for him? I’m sure Matt loves playing along.

I refuse to believe they are in Europe, Russia, New Zealand, Honolulu until I see pics, videos. Stop making up rumors! People from Weibo know as much as we do. And Pan asked a question. How is that proof they are in Europe? Yes, you can like a pic on Instagram at 3am, 4am, 5am and still be in NY. The weirdest thing is that they like posts at the same time but again, maybe they have sex and then go lurking online, maybe they stay up late, maybe they wake up in the middle of the night. Who the hell knows? Last time anons claimed they are in Europe, Reid was careful to show us they have a great time on the farm. IN NEW YORK. And Lee is too immature and boring to actually care if his fans track his likes. He's so anti-social I'm not sure he knows a feed like that even exists. If he does know, I don't think it's all part of an evil plan lol. You're all reading too much into things. Like always.

Matty is up now.

R536 You're right, same pattern with Richard, Alicia and now Matt. I remember we considered a statement of some sort when both Richard and Lee liked drawings by the same account (not particularly good sketches of Thorin and Thranduil) at the same time just during BOFA press junket. And twitter follows.

The same happened with Alicia, but on IG. And now they went further on, with Matt and all his friends sharing, liking each other as there were no tomorrow.

Do people really go on romantic trips because of an anniversary of a relationship, spend Christmas with their partner's family and celebrate the 14th of Feb? Most people I know travel whenever they want or can afford it, think Christmas is for kids, and no one even remembers about Valentine's day. But if a celebrity is dating someone, people assume they do all that?

R536 Wasn't the previous theory that he uses social media for work only, not disclosing his real preferences ?

The theory that lee likes to send messages to his stans by what he likes on Instagram is ridiculous. Come on people do you really think he thinks that way. Sometimes it so happens when you’re looking at Instagram (or twitter in the case of RA) with your other half you can talk about a post you see and that other person will look at it too and also like it. It’s not a big mystery nor is it sending signals to anyone. Lee isn’t that type of celebrity who does things for attention. Just my opinion.

R542 Exactly! As ridiculous as claiming that Matt and his friends show Lee in staged videos. Wth??? Lee doesn't give a fuck. If he did he'd post so much more and he'd be more active like Matt. R539 This proofs that he's a cameleon and changes interests, social circles depending on the partner. And anons still fight me over the personality subject. Helloooo, it's as clear as the day he has none.

No, r543 Lee is still lee, didn't spend time much on sm. He just liked 2 or 3 posts and disappeared. Matt's still on but Lee wasn't.

I have a feeling that New Zealand is now "Verboten" to Lee (at least, while his relationship with Matt lasts)! It's a shame! The Elven King could walk into Mordor and throw "Preciousss" (and his mobile) into the fires of Mount Doom, while they were in Middle-Earth (a.k.a. New Zealand)!!! (lol)

P.S.: I am one with Elrond and Elrond is with me! (lol)

I don’t think Lee would care about bringing Matt to NZ. Yes he obviously spent happy times there with his ex but it’s been nearly two years (we think) from they’ve split up. I don’t think Lee is that sentimental about RA. Doubt he misses him or gives him a second thought. Lee seemed to really like NZ as a country to explore and hike around.

R546

Actually, it's the other way around: I believe Lee would love to go back to New Zealand, but I don't believe Matt would like the idea (you know, the green-eyed demon could surface and spoil all the fun)!

Well if he is jealous about Alicia (the TB situation from earlier) for no reason then he might be jealous about everyone else too. I can't say I don't relate though.

R544 Yes, Lee is still Lee. Doesn't change the fact he likes blue today and tomorrow pink. Depending on his boyfriend's mood.

R548 what the TB situation and Alicia?

R549 If you still insist. LOL

R549 This is only what he chooses to show the world. Not necessarily encompassing everything he likes or thinks.

R548 Alicia styled Cynthia Nixon so she wore TB. Cynthia is running for governor of NY, so it's a big deal. Yet TB's social media ignored her. People think it might be because of Matt. Mostly because it's difficult to think of another reason why they would ignore such a good chance for publicity and promotion.

Sorry, in R552 the reply marked as R548 was really for R550

R552 And Matt obviously handles TB ig. It's all him that ignored Cynthia not TB.

Licked Judy Greer's ass but ignored Cynthia Nixon. TB has such a stupid employee.

Since it's so obvious that Cynthia is being ignored because of AL's busted up friendship with Lee ... I am surprised that TB himself doesn't step in. Matt may control what ends up on social media, but at the end of the day it's not HIS brand. Passing up the chance to promote Cynthia wearing TB is a huge slip up and very immature from Foley.

We'll see what happens ... IF Cynthia wins.

I'm more curious about the reason. Why be so negative towards Alicia? By all signs she and Lee had parted ways about half a year before Matt was introduced to him. It seems like she literally disappeared from Lee's life. So why does Matt remember her name let alone care what she does?

Personally I think they never dated, had only been friends. I don't believe those idiot rumors. Never heard about friends had an argument? We never know what had happened between them. They could have had a heavy argument and never spoke again. Maybe Matt knows the reason and only steps to the side of his bf

Why idiot?

I don’t think TB insta page advertises every time a celebrity wears its clothes. I’ve noticed TB on other high profile celebrities and they haven’t been mentioned. I think matt loves Judy Greer and put her up in the insta story because of the connection to lee and matt loves his boyfriend. As regards to Cynthia I would say it’s an over sight rather than a snub to Alicia. I think people are reading too much into things again. I suppose the TB captions are secret messages to Lee’s stans too.

Why would Matt love Judy Greer? Unless they had a lot of secret meetings this year, he barely knows her. And I doubt Lee cares that much about one of his actor friends being mentioned by TB social media, it's not like they are nobodies hungry for a millisecond of fame.

R561 I’m guessing since lee follows TB social media closely he probably would find it amusing to see his friend Judy on it. I’m so glad you know how many times Judy and matt have met. Why secret meetings? He’s dating one of her closest friends. Why don’t you lighten up a bit and stop being so cynical.

But Lee and Matt are both such caring individuals, one would be led to believe they would want Cynthia Nixon to get posted as well. I remember Lee going to that women’s march in Washington so I’m sure he must be all supportive for a woman candidate, right? I’m sure he would have been more amused to see Cynthia’s picture posted. Unless Matt is like people have described him, misogynistic. He can’t stand to see a woman running for governor. What an asshole Matt is.

Not to mention Cynthia represents the queer community. But she is a girl after all, not a member of the boys club so I guess she doesn’t count to Matt.

This is so stupid. Matts best friends are women

He’s so self centered, does he care about anything other than himself?

R559 Just the word "idiot" expresses the disgust they must feel against the whole "Lee dated a woman" debate. Cause they have no other arguments. There are people who choose to believe and people who don't. But he treated AL just like he treated ex boyfriends, how he treats Matt now. Same behavior on social media, her friends stayed on the farm, she stayed on the farm and like all his exes, she vanished. I think it's idiot to believe it was just a friendship. As a gay man I'm not going on trips (like the Thanksgiving one) alone with my BFF, don't drink wine with her alone over Christmas etc. I think they weren't there to see it or they don't remember the events. Imho if she was just a friend and they had a fight, they should have been surrounded by friends while she was with him. She was must of the times during intimate moments alone with him so... Same situation as with RA. Yet people believe that.

R562 Judy isn't Lee's closest friend. She took side of his ex and ignore him since they broke up, ignore his bucket challenge. They just reunited bc of Driven movie. SMG AnnaF are Lee's closest friends, Judy G is not.

R568 why would he nominate her for the bucket challenge if they had fallen out? People nominate only their closest friends for the bucket challenge not someone who they’ve fallen out with. They were friends before Driven there’s pics of them at a monkey sanctuary together. You just change the narrative to suit yourself. You don’t seem very bright.

Then Berenice M. is also his closest friend?

R570 joe miale filmed the video in South Africa with lee and Bernice when they were filming Revolt. Did you not see her in the video lol

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He wanted to reconcile with her. Lee was in Attalanta filming HACF and I thought at that time they knew they'd be co star in Driven, so they tried to reconcile with each other. Before that there had been no sign of friendship from Judy G toward Lee. You can see Sarah, Anna and Lee connection but none from JG except the monkey event which she wanted him to help her promote her charity case.

I'll summary it to you r569 because you seems shallow. Matt and Judy are bitches.

Here is a new thread for when this one is full

When JG went to Atlanta it was to discuss Driven. Lee was finishing filming HACF 4. This is the happiest ever Lee JG was talking about The superficial other appeared much later, somewherw in September, AFTER he had finished filming HACF. He chilled with NH during and after filming HACF.

Thanks, OP.

R576 matt and lee have been dating from July before HACF wrapped. It was discussed in previous threads.

Thanks r576 I'm bad at timing. So they're closest friends. for shallow poster r569 it's sarcasm LOL

R579 i don’t think you understand what the word shallow means. I’m not being mean but I think you should look it up. You’re using it incorrectly.

R578 It's a discussion. It's not a fact. Don't use it as a fact.

R581 so they’re facts when it suits you like JG and lees friendship that you seem to know intimately but a discussion when you don’t agree. Ok got it!

Still JG is a bitch.

R583 JG is a bitch? Because she is close to lee and she likes matt. Sounds like sour grapes to me. You must be the only person on the entire planet who hates Judy Greer lol.

We'll see whether she and Lee will be connect again if not for work like Driven premier.

We see the connection between Lee & SMG, Lee&Anna every year. None for JG I'd say she's just his co star.

R586 well if Judy is just Lee’s co star why are you calling her a bitch?

She's ignored him for years, took side then claims to be his friend who know best.

R584 I think Judy Greer is a bitch as well. Don’t be be so judgemental!

Anyone wonder how such a below average looking woman in Hollywood, where emphasis placed so heavily on good looks, has gotten so many small movie parts? In big movies as well as small? Not any big leading roles in any big movies, but a continuous streak of roles in such a competitive business with gorgeous women everywhere. Cast opposite Lee Pace in Marmaduke. Read that again. Cast opposite Lee Pace. Handome Lee next to below average Judy. I don’t like to talk about her looks but it is extremely relevant here. How does she manage to land so many roles over better, more beautiful actresses? I will not divulge this info but it’s something you should chew on.

Had'n seen Lee in 5 years and said Lee's never been happier, hypocrite bitch.

R560 Back to the Cynthia N. topic, you think Cynthia not being featured by TB was an oversight by TB and it wasn’t personal/snub to Alicia? You claim people are reading too much into things? Bitch please! You’re deflecting the blame that so blatantly belongs to Matt. He should be fired for pulling that crap. I hope he gets in more trouble again with his boss.

I think TB no post anythink about Cynthia because He does not want to see anything with politics. Alice is not so important

Pete is more important

I do not understand why they mention so much Alicia

Lee is gay

Even if Lee liked women

I do not think he have such bad taste

Alicia is ugly woman .old .fat Is soooo bored always mention Aliicia

Lee parther is Matthew Foley Please forget Alicia Better is talk about Richard .Carter o Matt They are really parthers of Lee

Please so sorry for mu english

Really? I call bullshit on your ‘bad English’. More like ‘bad fake foreigner’. But at least you tried, so there’s that.

R594 Why did someone need to pretend to be a bad Eng speaker or a foreigner?

R592 "I hope he gets in more trouble again with his boss." Did I lose smth? When did he get in trouble??

I think JG is a hypocrite bitch, too. And Lee is so naive to thank her for her false friendship.

Matt was not as active as usual on IG this week.Hope they have a good time to celebrate their first anniversary

How many times does an employee in America have a vacation a year ? I hope Matt enjoy his vacation.

I love closing threads😁