Magnificent Midwestern Towns 2018 Part 4: Welcome to Company!

Please use existing thread (attached at OP) until it's full - thanks!

Nicely done, OP.

You could SO tell Derwin was banging Beth Ehlers here.

Damn, what a sexy man.

Part 4

And the final part

Mo Garrett always had pussy breath.

Can it really be nineteen years next week since the end of AW?

quote]Can it really be nineteen years next week since the end of AW?

Next week? I think you're confused about the date. The final episode of AW aired on June 25, 1999.

The 19th anniversary was last month.

R8 Oopsie. You're right.

I blame Cecile!

I want this to be my profile photo everywhere!

Happy birthday Helen Gallagher aka Maeve Ryan!

Bitch is NINETY TWO today!

Oh Danny Boy... The pipes the pipes are hmmm hmm hmm....

And hmm hmm hmm.... la la la la la la.

When I was a kid I always wanted to be a part of the Ryan family.

A large boisterous family argued but were fiercely loyal to each other & had 2 loving parents

That’s nice, R13

I wanted either Phillip Spaulding or Seth Snyder as a big brother; someone to slip me 20 bucks now and then and to fend off bullies

Given that the Snyders were dirt poor Phillip remains a top choice.

I wanted those things too, R14.

Of course, I would have also loved it if Phillip or Seth came to me when they had girlfriend trouble....and we ended up having some "just between brothers" bonding time.

I wanted to 13th step Andy Dixon.

I wish I would have been caught trespassing at the Synder farm barn, and then passed around between Seth, Caleb, and Holden.

But only Michael Morrison's Caleb, in my case (not r17).

Michael was pretty, for sure.

I wouldn't have minded if Jack and Brad joined in, or if Kirk Anderson unzipped his suit pants.......

Quite possibly the greatest episode of Marland's ATWT. By this point, he had completely re-centered the show on Kim & Bob and their family by bringing back Chris and Nancy, recasting Frannie with the sublime Julianne Moore (seriously!) and making her the central heroine, giving meaty story to Tom and Margo and new Bitch Barbara, and giving Bob & Kim another child on the way.

And the whole week was full of nods to history. Dee had significant moments with Tom, Brian, and John. Original star Penny returned. Don announced Mary was pregnant. Grant Colman arrived (sans shades). And Susan Stewart and Rick Ryan visited.

But those last two visits were not just for fun. Susan's return was a set-up for Emily's arrival and James' surprise resurrection. Rick was to be central to the next main Hughes story, the discovery of Sabrina.

Such good stuff!

R20 That was definitely when all the puzzle pieces Marland had started moving around really gelled. It was so amazing to watch a soap when it just got into that groove where it started to just FLY.

That was one such time. Watching GL in 1991 after a few months of Nancy Curlee's team moving pieces around starting to click....that was another.

Although this was Chris and Nancy's episode the genius is that he was able to recap where the show had been....and where it was going....in one episode.

Helen Gallagher as.....a sexpot?

It really pisses me off that NYT hasn't published an obit for Harding Lemay.

In fact, no major press outlets have.

Write them and complain, r23. It may be that the millennials running the NYT obit desk don't know who he is.

R24 I have.

I sent them a long ass letter explaining why it was culturally relevant.

Thing is, I think there's a question about proving his death! The Legacy.com posting had no funeral home as a source.

Glad you contacted the NYT r25. That's a good point about the Legacy.com posting being skimpy. As a newspaper, NYT has got to verify the info.

Weird that no one from his family would contact the press. Lemay had two kids of his own, plus however many grandkids. Also he was one of something like 13 kids. So, he would have lots of nieces and nephews. The point is, there are many people who could, and should, legitimately contact the press about his death.

And let's face it, the man deserves a decent obit. And yes, the NYT does obits of people connected to soaps. Don'f forget, the NYT once wrote an obit for the real life actress a Lewis, but got details of her life mixed up with details about the fictional character of a Lewis on OLTL.

I thought LeMay's wife was still living. Wouldn't she have placed an obit?

Lemay has a widow, but I don't know much about her.

I sent them an email and also included a lot of info - when they've printed stuff about him before, links to Douglass and Bev's obits, and a few names I suggested they speak to about Lemay. Including Victoria Wyndham.

I do know that Lemay was, even from what he suggests in his book epilogue, estranged from one or both of his children. I also know that most newspapers will not print an obit unless the funeral home sends them a certification of death form. (It's a long story why I know this, which I may or may not share someday.) And I saw no associated funeral home in the Legacy.com write-up, so that may be the hold up.

Yes, it's me at R23 and R25 too, all of which I should have signed.....

WE overlooked an important anniversary. 46 years ago -- on July 21, 1972 -- Victoria Wyndham began playing Rachel.

My eyes are bugging at that oversight.

I am shocked, R29! How could we?

Also: The anniversary of the first episode with Cass Winthrop.

R32

Anyone know what HW created Cass? He is one of my favorite soap men.

I always hated the name Cass Winthrop. So phony. And it didn’t fit Schnetzer. It shoukd have been something ethnic like Jared Rosen or Anthony “Del” Delvecchio.

L Virginia Browne created Cass. She also created Sandy Cory, Alma Rudder andthe show’s first black family, and wrote the return of Steve Frame from the dead.

R35

I've never heard of her.

Did she also create my beloved Felicia?

R35, I’m pretty sure Corinne Jacker created the black family, the Morgans.

Corine Jacker was HW from late 1981 to late 1982.

Cass Winthrop and Alma Rudder both debuted under her reign, so it is safe to assume she created them. Jacker also created the Morgan family, as r37 mentions.

Felicia Gallant, as well as Donna Love, debuted in Jan 1983. Robert Soderberg and Dorothy Ann Purser were HW at that point. My impression is that Soderberg was the transition HW between Jacker and Purser, but he stayed on a while to help Purser get started.

[quote]L Virginia Browne created ,,, the show’s first black family

AW’s Peggy Nolan was the first black contract role on a daytime drama, as played by Micki Grant from 1965-72. (She was created by Agnes Nixon.) Did we ever see Peggy’s mother?

But Harding Lemay created Quinn (Petronia Paley), right?

The Another World Home Page is a fantastic resource. Many different categories of information about the show. Many of the questions asked here can be answered from info on that site.

For example, going to the Character Guide section, you have description of all the major characters who ever appeared on the show, including who they were married to, who they dated,where they worked, their family members and of course their first and last air dates.

In the case of Quinn Harding, you find her first appearance was on July 1, 1981. Her last was on April 6, 1987. Then going to the Credits section, you can look up headwriters and see that L. Viriginia Brown was the HW in 1981. Thus, Quinn Harding was created by L. Virginia Brown.

Smell Miss R41!

Yeah, I really don't think they'll ever post Harding Lemay's obit. One of these soap blogging queens should make a STINK about it!

Quinn Harding was a favorite of mine. She had style, class and grace, but was self assured. Didn't come across as subservient like most black soap characters did up until that point.

Quinn survived several regime changes, but the sin stalker finally did her in.

Quinn was great!

I must have missed where Daniel Pilon died but I'm seeing it in Digest now.

They have a statement from Grant Aleksander (and his dong),

People have frequently wondered on these P&G threads what went wrong between Doug Marland and Agnes Nixon when he was HW for the first year of Loving in 1983-84.

Over on the Santa Barbara thread, someone linked a interview with acclaimed writer Patrick Mulcahey. The interview is primarily about his time on Santa Barbara, but he does mention some other things.

Mulcahey was also on the original writing staff for Loving, joining it because he had worked with Marland on GL. This was his comment about his experience there:

[quote] After working with Douglas Marland on Guiding Light and then on Loving, which I hated (and where Agnes Nixon was like some psychotic schoolmarm on speed, making copious condescending red-pen "corrections" in the margins of scripts - "You used the same word on page 2 and on page 34 ! Too repetitive !")

If Mulcahey as a script writer was going through this, Marland must have been experiencing it times 10! And we know how well Marland dealt with being micro-managed.

Mulcahey also had this to say about briefly working with John Conboy, who was EP of Santa Barbara in its next to last year.

[quote]Jackie Smith brought in a new executive producer named John Conboy, who might've been a really nice guy - I didn't stick around long enough to find out - but he played like a caricature of The Dumb New Boss. The one who says, "I know how to fix what's wrong around here - let's remodel !" We had one meeting, he told me his plans, I said, "No, thank you, I'm done."

That comment made me think of Conboy's year-long tenure as EP of GL in 2003-2004. GL had been getting back on track thanks to Millie Taggert's being HW (GL in 2002 was better than it had been since the early 90s under Nancy Curlee and Stephen Demorest). But then Conboy came aboard and took the show in a weirdly different direction under his pal Ellen Weston as HW.

Conboy was a Palm Springs party gay whose first experience was at Y&R - he only really ever did shallow and splashy Y&R/Aaron Spelling style shows well. As EP he worked somewhat well at CAPITOL, but he had mixed results at SB and a lot of the fatal wounds that eventually killed GL were inflicted on his watch.

He killed the budget, had one of the worst writers ever in the HW chair, and apparently cast a few of the male characters on the basis of whatever they were packing in their shorts (a la Marty West).

[quote]He killed the budget, had one of the worst writers ever in the HW chair, and apparently cast a few of the male characters on the basis of whatever they were packing in their shorts (a la Marty West).

Who was the writer?

I liked Marty West.

Ellen Weston was the writer. She was an actress that had been on the show and a songwriter, but somehow began scriptwriting and was picked by Conboy to write. She did terrible stories, including the Carruthers story.

Marty was pretty but he couldn't convincingly walk from Mark A to Mark B.

AW's Alicia Coppola in a new show

R48

If Mulcahey felt that way how the fuck does he stomach working at B&B? As bad as the remaining soaps are nothing is as God awful as B&B.

Bill Bell ell is rolling in his grave like the wheel in a hamster's cage.

PMc and MVJ are far too talented to churn out the garbage Brad Bell comes up with.

R52

I have always loved Alicia ever since her AW days just like I've always loved William Fichtner since his ATWT days. I have made a point to watch whatever they're in.

r51 Ellen Weston apparently bearded for Conboy from time to time. Over the decades, she'd s be his date at industry parties and events. They apparently go along well, so he rewarded her by making her HW of GL in 2003.

The thing that is so disturbing was that in 2002, Millie Taggert had come on as HW and was finally getting GL back on track. She dropped the San Cristobel storyline and killed off Prince Richard (YES!!!!! smartest decision she ever made), downplayed the Santos family, moved the focus back to the Bauers and Spauldings. Show felt was as good as it had been in the early 90s. Really felt like show was making a resurgence and cold go back up in the ratings.

Taggert's contract expired, so new EP John Conboy came in and gave the HW reigns to Ellen Weston, who quickly undid everything that Taggert had done to get the show back on track. It was under Weston that we got Maryanne Carthuthers storyline, Alex as a drug dealer, Gus's paternity hidden by Alex for decades, Gus's sister Eden.

And of course, Conboy foolishly brought back Bradley Cole in a new role -- Jeffrey O'Neil. Weston quickly made Jeffrey O'Neil the center of the show. Everything revolved around him. All the women were falling for him while the men were cowtowing to him.

Bradley Cole must have given Conboy the best FUCK of his life to become the show's center within just a few weeks of the character's debut. A character with no ties to any existing characters, I might add. No doubt, Cole had to give Conboy weekly repeat FUCKS to maintain that position for the rest of Conboy's tenure.

R55

Wasn't Wheeler crazy about Cole too. I never understood it.

Back in the day, we had an apparent GL Insider posting here on DL. He/She said that the Bradley Cole fanbase would regularly bombard the studio with fan mail and calls supporting Cole. There was one woman in New Jersey who phoned the show multiple times a week demanding more screen time for Cole.

Ellen Wheeler obviously kept Cole around to appease the fanbase. But she was wise enough to move him to the edge of the canvas, not have the show revolve around Cole.

Thanks to whoever posted R20. I was just going to sample a minute or two of the post, and ended up watching the whole damn show. This was definitely when Marland got the show gelling , successfully combining the old elements of the show with the new. Probably the only two who were unhappy with the show's direction were Frank Runyeon (Steve) and Lindsay Frost (Betsy).

The most that can be said is that at least Marland did give Steve and Betsy some story. But Lindsay Frost was nothing like Meg Ryan and had no chemistry with Runyeon (or anyone else). And all Marland could see in Steve was "Old World" values and a patsy for Lucinda. The exit storyline for Steve was pathetic, but by that point did anyone really care?

[quote]Conboy was a Palm Springs party gay whose first experience was at Y&R - he only really ever did shallow and splashy Y&R/Aaron Spelling style shows well.

Actually John Conboy got his start and built his career at LIAMST, where he eventually became the EP. Y&R didn't come until after LIAMST. He was respected and and brought a unique visual style to soaps. What he developed on LIAMST, he brought to Y&R.

R59 , it must have been traumatic for Runyeon to go from the undisputed lead of the show for two years to being shoved to the sidelines , and then booted out. It's ironic that when he and Scott Bryce were arch-rivals on the show, Bryce's Craig was the villain and Steve was the hero. By the time Marland fired Runyeon, Bryce was the new romantic lead (with Sierra) and Steve was sent to a Greek prison.

I think it is pretty clear that Marland originally thought of Steve with Iva, but Bryce worked so much better with Lisa Brown he shifted gears.

That's one of the great things about Marland. He originally planned certain couples, but saw actors spark with each other on-screen and shifted them. Like Casey from Frannie to Lyla or Holden from Emily to Lily.

Which ATWT actress had the biggest nipples, and were they larger or smaller than the size of a frisbee?

R63 Excuse me?

And R63, we all know that the bodacious tatas at ATWT belonged to Helen "Tits McGee" Wagner.

The biggest nipples were, of course, Jon Hensley.

quote] If Mulcahey felt that way how the fuck does he stomach working at B&B?

I assume at this point it's low hanging fruit. It's an easy paycheck and he has to write maybe a script or two a week.

B&B is shiteous, to be sure. I wish literally anyone but Brad Bell was writing it. It might be interesting.

Brad Bell is the Eric Trump of daytime.

I didn't hate Bradley Cole at GL when he was on as Richard. I hated Cassie and LW so I was never a big fan of Richard/Cassie as a couple, but he was pleasant enough then.

But Jeffrey was unbearable from minute one, and I loathed Cole after that.

I never understood why they didn't make David Andrew McDonald the romantic lead. He could act rings around Cole, evoked both Christopher Reeve and GL's own Quinton Chamberlain and, also, he was fucking hot. But they always sabotaged Edmund. The character of Edmund suffered from all the HW changes, for sure.

[quote] Bradley Cole must have given Conboy the best FUCK of his life to become the show's center within just a few weeks of the character's debut.

It was either that or someone at CBS/PGP loved him. Or he was working cheaply enough to be popular with the suits.

[quote] The thing that is so disturbing was that in 2002, Millie Taggert had come on as HW and was finally getting GL back on track. She dropped the San Cristobel storyline and killed off Prince Richard (YES!!!!! smartest decision she ever made), downplayed the Santos family, moved the focus back to the Bauers and Spauldings. Show felt was as good as it had been in the early 90s. Really felt like show was making a resurgence and cold go back up in the ratings.

If they had kept things going in that direction, I wonder if the show wouldn't still be on the air. It was, with a few exceptions, the last time GL was really good until the last six months.

There was nothing that GL could have done, R69. PG wanted out. CBS wanted to program something in house and cheaper.

R70 Oh, I know all that. The rot had set in well before then.

R68

Preach! DAM &Edmund were so much better than Cole. So many directions to take Edmund and he had chemistry with everyone.

Mulcahey is into scat and piss. He’s a real wierdo!!!

I thought it was just really heavy BDSM

Doesn't matter to me because the dude can write.

Who’s snatch did Geraldine Court munch on? Her BFF Anna Stuart? They were bosom buddies for years.

No, R75, I knew Geri very well. She never had affairs with actresses. Anna Banana was one of her best friends but Anna is as hetero as it gets. Both of her long term gfs were not in the business at all. Judy Gold was a friend of hers but I don’t think they were ever lovers.

Did Geri ever eat out the actress who played Evie Stapleton on GL? She seems her type.

Bradley Cole's Prince Richard was milquetoast. Cole's Jeffrey' O'Neil was load, abrasive and obnoxious. Both ate up previous screen time from more likable and interesting characters.

The most telling thing about Jeffrey O'Neil is the show never could find a leading lady to pair him with. They tried virtually every actress on the show, but the chemistry wasn't there. The only pairing that worked in my mind was Reva, at the very end. But that was Kim Zimmer working hard to make the pairing work.

As I recall reading, Bradley Cole was one of the finalists for the part of Nick Marone on B&B, the part that ultimately went to Jack Wagner. Nick Marone debuted in April 2003, while Jeffrey O'Neil came on GL in May 2003.

Whatever I read at the time said that John Conboy scrambled to sign Cole before B&B could. Then he had to create a part for him.

Kim Stewart Hughes had perky titties and big nipples.

Happy Birthday to snatch eater Geri Court!!!!!!!

Who were the biggest whores by gender on the sets of ATWT, AW and GL? The Pinters? Anne Heche? The dyke that played Hillary Bauer?

R82

Beth Ehlers

R82 Marie Wilson

Vincent Irizarry slept/dated/got engaged to almost all of his co-stars with which he was romantically paired.

INCLUDING Ann Hamilton, who was Mindy #3 for about 30 seconds. That one I find particularly impressive. I think Krista Tesreau was the only Mindy he didn't bang.

R85 Vincent & Kimberley Sims were smokin'.

Who did Connie Ford eat out? Lous Kibbee?

[quote]Vincent Irizarry slept/dated/got engaged to almost all of his co-stars with which he was romantically paired.

Yet he was an anti-abortionist. Hmmm.

Mark Pinter definitely shared his cock with many female costars. I wonder if he ever shared it with men.

Michael Park wasn't a slut......at the studio.

[quote] As I recall reading, Bradley Cole was one of the finalists for the part of Nick Marone on B&B, the part that ultimately went to Jack Wagner.

Wow. I wish he'd have gone to B&B so we could have missed that whole mess, round II, at GL.

Speaking of....

R91

I wonder what Kimberley Sims is doing now.? She was so good on GL.

Sexy, beautiful & talented.

I loved Krista Tesareau as teen Mindy but there's no way she would've been able to pull off the chess game that the Mindy, Roger,Alexandra story turned out to be. Sims was great.

She really was, R92. She absolutely was the right actress to take Mindy to that next level as an adversary for Alexandra.

She was great, and beautiful. She is much missed.

I know she's on FB.

I never particularly liked Vincent Irrizarry in his days as Lujack. I never got what the fuss was about (especially when Grant Aleksander was on the same show). I was similarly unimpressed by Irrizarry when he was on Santa Barbara as Scott Clark.

So, when he came back to GL playing Nick McHenry, I wasn't expecting much. Imagine my surprise when they paired him with Kimberly Simms and magic happened. The two had great chemistry. Nick became one of my favorite characters during that period.

Thirty-four years ago today -- July 30, 1984 -- Reva went into the fountain and baptized herself the Slut of Springfield.

Interestingly, Santa Barbara debuted opposite GL on July 30, 1984. I never realized it until now, but the fountain scene -- one of the most memorable in soap history -- was done as counter-programming.

Vinnie I loves eating pussy! I should know.

Meanwhile, July 30, 1984 on ABC, General Hospital counter-programming against the SB premiere:

Grant Putnam tries to murder Celia; Frisco and Tania fight over her interest in Grant Andrews (who is in prison); Ginny tries to get obnoxious little Mikey Weber to move in with her, which Rick overhears and is upset by. Rick shouldn't be so distracted by Ginny when he just buried the love of his life 4 months ago. Fletcher (the DVX agent) threatens Grant A. in prison. Jimmy Lee agrees to meet Jake Meyer in the gym sauna for a little nude wrestling.

I might have imagined that last plot point. I was young and impressionable.

R96

I will never forget the fountain scene or the story that led up to it & the fallout afterwards.

There was so much yearning. How long has it been since today's soaps even attempted that emotion? They couldn't pull it off if they tried.

The chemistry was crackling. The subtext was yearning, shame, passion, conflict, jealousy. The whole bag of tricks were in that story. & played by actors with one of a kind chemistry

As much as later Jeva ate the show, that whole story was indeed great. Even if it was somewhat a ripoff of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.

[quote] How long has it been since today's soaps even attempted that emotion? They couldn't pull it off if they tried.

The acting style now is to walk around as if one is on Ambien.

Kim Zimmer gained over a hundred pounds since her slut of Springfield scenes.

I remember a super hot scene that aired around the time of the fountain scene. I think it was a week or two before.

A wheelchair bound Josh was living with HB and Reva while he recovered. HB was away on business leaving Josh and Reva to fight their feeling for one another.

In one scene ending that day's episdoe, Josh is in his bedroom and Reva is in the hall, both struggling not to go to the other one. Music playing over the scene was Bruce Springsteen's "I'm on Fire." The song had just been released and it was perfect for the scene.

Gail Kobe produced good soap opera.

I disagree r104, you cunt.

R103 I remember that scene too! The song did fit perfectly.

“I’m On Fire” was also used on DOOL, as Gloria Loring’s Liz struggled to resist Don Diamont’s Carlo. (I think that was the character’s name — h was the pool boy or gardener or somesuch.)

R103

Yes! That's on Youtube too.

GL was crazy good during that period.

R108 Do you have that clip? I don't know where it is.

Yes, r108. Don't just tell us it's on YouTube. Find it for us and post the link here!

The scenes actuallt take place after the fountain scenes not before.

Talk about smoldering.

Plus, GL really had bucks because in one episode they not only used Springsteen for Josh/Reva but they used Lionel Richie's Trule for Beth & Phillip

Pardon the typos. Not enough coffee yet.

Good Christ in heaven, would I like Robert Newman in me!

I want Grant’s long dong in me.

Robert Newman is - and especially was, then, a beautiful man. Some of it was physical (he was stunning in those scenes) but there's also something about him, too, that is just.....you want Josh on every level.

I think they must have used I'm On Fire for more than one episode. The one that I remembered was an episode when they played it in someone's mind - Reva's? - where the faces of all the players - HB, Josh, Reva - went through that person's mind, or showed on the screen.

Yeah, Thanks r111. Great to see that scene again.

My memories had a few details off, but that was the scene I was describing in my post at r103.

r116, It's entirely possible they used I'm on Fire for another scene too. The show went crazy using pop songs in 83-85, during Gail Kobe's reign.

Damn! The follow up to that episode is a DL goldmine!

Reva & Josh smoking up the screen & then being caught

Hottie Tony Reardon

Phillip wet/naked in a bath towel

And India's first day on GL. She blew in on a storm

That's a DL smorgasbord!

Speaking of hot scenes, remember the tango between Emily Stewart (Melanie Smith) and Brock Lombard on ATWT?

Watching old ATWT from the early 70s on YT. Emily skipped kindergarten?

Part of why I could never get into Reva as a character is I just never found Kim Zimmer attractive. Harsh looking woman.

Kimmy Z likes her alcohol.

R121

I thought Zimmer was beautiful & oozed sensuality when she was thin.

I understand it's difficult for women's weight after menopause. I could understand a 10-25lb weight gain but Zimmer packed on 50-75;bs.

She just totally let herself go.

"Watching old ATWT from the early 70s on YT. Emily skipped kindergarten?"

Emily skipped a lot of things, like... well, having parents.

Who was Mindy's mother? Did we ever know her name? Mindy rarely ever mentioned her mother, if she ever did at all.

Too bad the show never brought on Mindy's mother/Billy's first wife.

I am too lazy to look it up but I seem to remember Mindy's mother was dead.

It's interesting that we tend to think of Ross Marler as one of GL's leading men. But that only happened after they paired him with Blake in 1992.

Before that, Ross was a supporting player throughout most of the 80s. Sure, he had some story while married to Carrie (Jane Elliot) with the multiple personalities and again while dating Lillian's sister Calla (Lisby Larson), but in both those stories, he was more a supporting player. And when even when they discovered Ross was Dinah's father, he was a supporting player; that was more of a mother-daughter story with Vanessa and Dinah.

Speaking of Dinah #1- Wndy Moniz still looks great & is still married to smoking hot Franck Grillo I never would've thought they'd last this long.

She's currently on the nightime soap Yellowstone.

I enjoyed Wendy's version of Dinah but a fucking loved Gina's version.

r128 Wendy Moniz was Dinah #3.

Jennifer Gatti was Dinah #1, although she only held the role a short time.

Paige Turco was Dinah #2.

Gina Tognoni was Dinah #4.

Really, if you're going to mention me, I'd appreciate some tea. Some fine tea, please, none of this bourgeoisie Lipton nonsense.

And DO serve on the fine china, please. Villeroy and Boch. Two sugars, no cream.

Go away fucken moron Serial Non Scholar nutjob. Seek mental help, NOW.

Paige Turco was young heroine Dinah. Wendy Moniz was bitch Dinah. The transition only made any sense because of the strength of Kinckaid and ver Dorn.

Tognoni? I don't know her.

R129

I forgot about Paige. I knew about the teenage Dinah but I try to forget her.

I always thought they should have brought Dorie on. A long list of characters we already knew, tied to people we already knew.

There was Dorie, Peter Reardon, the Marler kids, Quint and Nola's kids (they did bring on "J" but it was during the horrible McTavish era), Tony and Annabelle's kids, I'm sure SImon and Jessie had a kid that could have stayed with Aunt Lillian.

Just so many existing options that didn't require inventing a new character and trying to Scotch tape them to existing ones - as they did, horribly, with Ava, Olivia and Jeffrey.

Hey, r120, can you link one? I can't find any episodes from before Dan Stewart's funeral.

Yes, please link the early 70s ATWT videos!

R127 you are nuts. Ross was the primary leading man from 79-82 before Kobe and Long sidelined him. Pairing him with that hideous Gina creature. Ross was with Vanessa, Amanda, Trish and most prominently Carrie during that period. Jerry ver Dorn was so sexy with a beautiful chest and those blue eyes!

Jesus have you seen ver Dorn lately? He must weigh 700 lbs, easily. He completely let himself go, like Zim Zim. Why?

Jesus, he is unrecognizable

I agree JvD looks different. He's battled several bouts of cancer and is on tons of steroids so I am willing to not be a huge cunt about it.

I actually would go to the Bloss fan thing if I had the money. And if it wasn't in Jersey. LOL

[quote] Ross was with Vanessa, Amanda, Trish and most prominently Carrie during that period.

For a brief time they were hinting at a Ross/Alex romance.

But Ross was kinda backburnered during Pam Long's first stint, to be sure. He was much better used during the second stint - I seem to remember that he dated Nadine briefly? And the Holly and Blake story (under Nancy Curlee) was great.

I saw somewhere that a new TV show is being done. It's called Melange. It's a LBGT series too

Soap actors involved are Robert Newman, Darnell Williams, Ilene Kristin, Morgan Fairchild & David Gregory.

JVD was a real DILF. Always looked forward to any shirtless scenes.

Here's the info about Melange. A while bunch of soap actors involved. A whole bunch of openly gay actors involved.

Filming started this weekend. But there's no network attached at the moment. So, if they don't find a broadcast outlet, this may end up only being seen in YouTub.

Oh, dear God, woman! Fairchild looks like a damn freak!

This is what Morgan thinks of r145

Is that Connie Francis?

I think Morgan looks Marvelous.

Come have a drink with us!

I was glued to my screen for this storyline. It blows me away that Michelle Forbes was just 22 but she hit it out of the ballpark.

R150 I loved that story too. Almost zero percent was understandable or made sense, but fuck if it wasn't captivating!

I remember being dumbstruck that the Sonni/Solita story wound up being a DID story That was a twist I didn't figure out.

I always wanted my drag name to be Solita.

*opens dark fan in front of face*

Once again I must remind Sonni/Solita lovers of a most amusing line uttered by my friend Ivar Brogger as a theatre director in Caracas.

“Yes, Solita, it’s true, you very well may have been the greatest English speaking actress in Venezuela. Before all the men and the cigarettes, that is.”

If anyone should by some miracle come across this on YT would you please post it here? TIA.

Go away Serial asshole nutjob. Seek mental help. Immediately.

Was that an actual line in an episode? R154? That's fabulous.

I keep seeing Scott Bryce in clips from Facts of Life.......forgot he was on that show.

Yes, it was, R156. I did see the scene when it first aired and cackled like hell. Ivar played the line with a raised eyebrow.

Ross Marler's ass was amazing here.

Johnny is boring, but looks hot.

I'll never understand why they never recast Roxie.

r154 I remember that line. It was good. Very memorable.

However, the thing that was weird about the line was that Michelle Forbes was 24 years old at the time (born in 1965). While she did look older than that, Sonni/Solita always came across as late 20s/early 30s to me.

The line suggested that Solita had been an actress for decades, at least early 40s, if not older. I mean, its hard to be considered the greatest English speaking actress in Venezuela if you don't have at least a couple of decades of stage experience behind you. So, when I heard the line, it took me out of the moment, wondering exactly how old Solita was supposed to be.

Speaking of old scenes, I hadn't seen this in a while.

I remembered this from the 50th anniversary week. Literally weeks before Pam Long's 2nd stint started. They had viewers vote on classic scenes to replay, one every day for a week.

I know there was this, the Roger/Holly scene, a Phillip/Rick scene and then the Nola/Kelly confrontation. I'm forgetting what the fifth was.

Here's more information about the Melange series mentioned upthread. The story centers around the fight for control on an NYC gay bar following the death of the owner. Scott Evans plays the man trying to get control of the bar, while Robert Newman plays the deceased owner in flashbacks.

R162

I really hope it gets a distributor. I like Evans & I adore Newman & Darnell.

These web soaps are all terrible.

Web soaps get about 10,000 viewers only. Not good.

Everyone is so whispery and lethargic on web soaps.

I miss the old days of dishtowels snapping and Lady Eyes A Buggin'.

Seriously.....it was theatrical without (well, mostly without) going over the top. I miss that.

Damn it, the link for my post at R166 didn't work. Oh well.

I have to say, I always loved Robert Newman but I'm really impressed with him going past his comfort zone.

I was always under the impression he was fundie - or on the borderline of it - but just this summer he did Hairspray and now a gay rights icon? Wow.

Depends what you mean by "fundie", I guess. If you read DL, you might get the impression that any religious person hates gays and gay marriage. But Pew Research surveys show that 70% of Catholics are accepting of homosexuality, and over half (57%) support gay marriage. And since these studies were done a few years ago, and the oldest (65+) respondents were the majority that didn't support gays/gay marriage, in all likelihood those numbers are even greater today.

In my experience, most Christians couldn't care less about who I'm sleeping with or married to.

R169 I am a somewhat religious person and I know not all Christians are like that. But there IS a particular strain of fundie that IS like that. And when several soap stars found God, some of them gave interviews at various times that suggested they were pretty conservative.

Vincent Irizarry, for example, is supposedly very conservative and pro-life (never mind he's fucked every co star he's ever had). I do remember Newman and his wife discussing their faith in an old article. He never struck me as a particularly hardcore guy, but one never knows. Josh was accepting of Olivia, etc. but I never assume character is like actor or vice versa.

I don't always assume the worst because someone may disagree on certain subjects. I believe Maura West is very pro-life, which I disagree with, but I can respect her POV, and she seems to be pretty open and supportive of LGBT people.

To the point of my post, though, at R168: I *was* surprised to see Newman take these roles.

I saw this earlier this week. These 15 minute mobile things sound like they'd be perfect for soap reboots and/or new soaps made in the same style as ATWT, GL, AW, et al.

"I believe Maura West is very pro-life"

Just because a woman has a lot of kids, it does not mean she wants to restrict other women's choices. Why do you think she is anti-choice?

Did you confuse Maura West with Margaret Colin? I can't find anything saying Maura is pro-life.

Maura said something about it a few years back, in some interview. I will search for it.

I don't think she's pro life in the same way Colin is (as in, she's not working with groups advocating for it). She carefully worded her response in an interview, it was something like "for me, I could only choose life."

As I recall reading, Vincent Irizarry went through a very dark period in the mid 1990s. That's when he joined a Bible study and became a Christian.

That probably corresponds also to the time period when he quit sleeping with his leading ladies.

I'm not aware of him being especially conservative, but he may very well be. Apparently has always been gay friendly.

[quote] She carefully worded her response in an interview, it was something like "for me, I could only choose life."

My mother said almost exactly the same thing when I was going through sex ed (many years ago) and she is completely pro-choice.

Many people (myself included) are extremely pro-LGBT and also pro-life. They're not mutually exclusive.

Colin is virulently pro-life.

R177

Your stance makes zero sense to me.

You rightfully want folks to stay out of who you love yet you want to tell someone what to do with their body.

Please, let's not get this thread deleted. I know the whole prolife discussion is a very passionate one. As is religion. Both can be very personal things.

I would really like this thread to stay a space for us soap fans.

Yesterday would have been Beverlee McKinsey's 83rd birthday.

McKunty is not missed. Rest in hell, cunt.

Damn, R182 is SERIOUSLY mentally ill.

and tomorrow is nine years since the last filming day for GL.

hard to believe

R184

Till the day I die I will miss GL & AW

I often wonder what As the World Turns would be like if it were still on the air. I'd like to think it would still resemble the show I loved, but I doubt it.

R185 I will MARY! myself as well. I will miss them & ATWT too.

R186, so do I, but I also wonder what the show would have been like if Douglas Marland hadn't died. Only thing I know for sure...the Snyders would not have faded away, and we wouldn't see the Invasion Of The ABC Scenery Chewers.

Marland would certainly have never approved Marie Wilson for Meg.

It just boggles my mind that ATWT took an great character like Meg, played by a wonderful actress (Ashe) and then tossed it all in the shitter by changing the character in every way & then cast Wilson.

I was wondering where you'd all taken off to.

It's not like I hate Marie Wilson. I could see casting her as another character on ATWT-- someone neurotic, dark, and jittery like Courtney or even Meg's sister Ellie. But Meg was so vivacious and bold, and Ashe was the perfect actress to play her. That recast was a real head scratcher.

Go ahead, r192. Hate Marie Wilson. It's the only reasonable thing to do.

So many of the casting decisions at ATWT were insane. I will never forgive them for bringing Scott Bryce back and then firing him.

That, and Martha.

NEVAH.

R194

Rumor going around at the time was they cut Bryce due to bad behavior behind the scenes.

I don’t hate Marie Wilson, either. She would have been fine as Ellie. But Meg she wasn’t.

[quote]I don’t hate Marie Wilson, either. She would have been fine as Ellie.

AYFKM?

[quote] Rumor going around at the time was they cut Bryce due to bad behavior behind the scenes.

No, Bryce refused to play Craig as a one-note villain. He always played Craig's vulnerability. Goutman told him not to, Bryce refused. Goutman canned him.

I have spit on Goutman's red circle at Carnegie Mellon (like Holllywood's Walk of Fame, but for CMU School of Drama grads who have won awards).

"No, Bryce refused to play Craig as a one-note villain. He always played Craig's vulnerability."

Bingo. Goutman's ridiculous, simplistic mantra was "Paul = Good, Craig = Bad". Well, fine-- it's your show, however much your complete lack of nuance may disgust me. But then don't hire Scott Bryce, because you know damn well Scott Bryce ain't no Hunt Block.

Bryce created that role and he did so many amazing things with it. Chris Goutman was an asshole who should have known better.

When he fired Bryce it was a red flag. When he fired Martha Byrne, the writing was on the wall.

According to this interview Kim Zinmer wasn’t Pam Long’s choice for Reva. She said “Pam wanted a fiery redhead instead of a sassy blonde.” Who might have been cast as Reva if Long had her way?

The Bryce firing was the last straw for me. He took the character from arch-villain in the Meg Ryan / Betsy days to romantic lead in the Sierra era, and played everything in between. Hunt Block could be entertaining, but he was strictly a one-note actor who couldn't handle any scene with depth. But the worst was Jon Lindstrom, who committed the unpardonable sin of making Craig boring.

I like Bryce in during his first run but I really liked Hunt Block's version

I totally bought Craig's personae during the Hunt Block years. Time & experience had changed him.

Whatever happened to Frank Runyeon? His "Steve Andropolous" was the undisputed male lead of the show for a good two years.

Runyeon must have been one hell of a pain in the ass for them to dump him and NEVER give him another chance. He was arguably the show's biggest draw (or one-half of it) when they let him go.

[quote]Runyeon must have been one hell of a pain in the ass for them to dump him and NEVER give him another chance. He was arguably the show's biggest draw (or one-half of it) when they let him go.

I can relate.

R202 I always thought Long was trying to redo Texas on GL and had actually written the role for herself!

Frank Runyeon and Meg Ryan were very popular, but by the time Steve and Betsy (subsequently played by Lindsay Frost) were written off, their popularity had cooled considerably.

I started watching ATWT about a year before he left and I loathed that character.

Pam Long and Gail Kobe wanted to cast Jerry Lanning as Billy Lewis. Lanning was one of the leads of Texas, playing Justin Marshall, the character to whom Long's Ashley Linden had been married. Pam Long reported this in some radio interview she did.

The Billy character and the Justin character were cut from the same mold. Both were macho, hotheaded and super competitive. Lanning had excelled in the role of Justin, so it was only natural for them to want to cast him in a similar role.

CBS wouldn't let them cast Jerry Lanning because GL had already cast several Texas alum at that point -- Harley Kozak as Annabelle, James Rebhorn as Bradley Cooper and Stephen Joyce as Annabelle's father Eli Sims. So, by July 1983 when it was time for Billy to come to Springfield, they were forced to go with Jordan Clark rather then Jerry Lanning.

Or course, the show would go on to cast many more Texas alum in the following two years -- Bev McKinsey as Alex, Michael Woods as Jim Reardon, Jay Hammer as Fletcher Reade, Lisby Larson as Calla Matthews, Mary Pat Gleason as Alex's maid Jane Hogan, Damion Scheller as Nola and Quint's visiting adolescent scientist Jonathan Brooks.

And Jerry Lanning finally got cast on GL in 1986, playing Cain Harris who rescued Reva after she jumped off a bridge, but then turned out to be an insane serial killer.

[quote]James Rebhorn as Bradley Cooper

Oppps, that should read Bradley Raines. Sorry.

I don’t think Lanning would have chemistry with Maeve Kincaid like Clarke did, though.

Lanning was a good actor but I'm so glad they went with Jordan.

Jordan gave Billy the perfect combo of scoundrel & teddy bear, who at times could be a royal prick & a royal fuck up.

I was thrift shopping a while back and spotted a Jerry Lanning record album! Same guy indeed.

Fun fact: the last song on the Lanning album "More I Cannot Wish You" was also sung by Mary Stuart aka SFT's Jo on her album, "Joanne Sings."

Spotted Lanning on the street here in NYC a few months ago and damn, he looked old.

Jerry Lanning is 75 years old now. Apparently, he collapsed five years ago during a performance of "And Give Us The Shadows," but stayed in character even as he collapsed.

Jerry Lanning is the son of cabaret singer Roberta Sherwood, who had hits in the 1950s. Not a surprise he can sing.

Jerry had a album out about 40 years ago.

Fun fact: Jerry Lanning got his start on soaps playing Nick D'Antonio on Search for Tomorrow in 1978-79. It was there that Jerry met his future wife, Sherry Mathis, who played Liza.

Also at that time, Christopher Goutman played Mark D'Antonio on Search in 1978-79. It was his first soap job and also where Chris met his future wife Marcia McCabe, who played Sunny.

The four actors all started on the show about the same time and apparently bonded off screen as well.

Marcia McCabe divorced her cheating husband.

It was great until it wasn't.

Goutman was pretty until he wasn’t.

Man, Marcia's expression is saying it all in that photo.

Does Marcia still drink a *touch* too much?

Did Chris eat out Marie Wilson? Hmmmm

You know Chris and Marcia could do Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf....and it wouldn't be a long walk from the page to the stage, if ya know what I mean!

I know so MANY of you (ahem) just LOVED Carly on ATWT so I'll leave this here.

That was 3 faces ago for Maura.

I love Maura West. I think she is wonderful. I also loved Carly from start to finish.

R227

WTF are you talking about. Maura's face is natural.

I'm surprised they didn't bring Michael Park on for a quick role opposite Maura on GH.

He's too busy at the arcades catching a "matinee."

"I started watching ATWT about a year before he left and I loathed that character [Steve Andropoulos]."

Most infuriating Steve Andropoulos moment of all the many, many infuriating Steve Andropoulos moments: Steve is bitching to Seth Snyder about how he wants Betsy to stay home with their little daughter Dani rather than have a career, and he says to Seth, "I mean, why not? YOUR mom stays at home."

UM, STEVE, EMMA WAS A FUCKING FARMER AND WORKED HER FINGERS TO THE BONE NIGHT AND DAY "AT HOME," YOU SEXIST PIECE OF SHIT.

R232 has been triggered by a scene from a tv show 35 years ago!

Not a fan of Maura here, sorry. She has changed faces a few times and I saw her on GH a few days ago. She has the menopause body now. Not inpressive.

Hiss on, Miss R232!

I hated Steve. Hated him. I started watching post-Steve and Betsy (Meg Ryan Betsy) in early 1986 but I applauded the day his sour face left my screen.

R232

It was 30+ years ago. Wouldn't most men from that era now be considered sexist & chauvinistic?

Speaking of Steve...here is his last appearance. (Bonus appearances by the first Emily and Penny!)

Runyeon did a few days on GH or YR a couple years back.

He played a priest IIRC.

He said he was surprised to be contacted because he said he had been retired for quite some time.

Marland took a chance dismantling the Steve/Betsy/Craig triangle. That storyline literally WAS the show for two years.

[quote]Marland took a chance dismantling the Steve/Betsy/Craig triangle. That storyline literally WAS the show for two years.

Really? I have no recollection of that.

Marland , in his original Outline for ATWT, wanted Steve and Betsy to have a couple of years on the back burner as supporting characters, offering a contrast of marital bliss to the other characters. Instead he was gone within 18 months. Wasn’t Runyeon difficult behind the scenes?

R241 I remember that. There was a long term outline that Tom Casiello posted online where he was going to give them a rest and have them be a happy couple for a while, with Steve's company and the independence Steve wanted from being swept up in Stewart/Hughes hegemony their small conflicts.

Runyeon apparently was difficult behind the scenes. I remember hearing that both Meg Ryan and Lindsay Frost clashed with him.

Richard Bekins was on the most recent The Sinner.

He's aged but he looks better/healthier than I've seen him in a long time.

Casiello??? Really?? That god awful writer queen. Casiello helped to kill the soaps. Ugh!!!!!

What did Casiello do?

R245 About 10 years ago he posted some excepts from a long term Marland projection he'd found (and made a copy of) while he was on staff at ATWT.

I'm linking to Part One below but there are four parts. It's very interesting reading.

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four (final part)

Thanks, r246 - r249.

R165 writes,

[quote]Web soaps get about 10,000 viewers only. Not good.

Coincidentally, that is same amount in money for the entire budget of a given web soap.

This thread has been grayed out on my phone (but not my computer). Undoubtedly, it's because someone said something nice about Carly, who ruined ATWT.

Casiello went against every single one of Marland’s rules!

most are made for less than that!

25 years? It cannot be.

JWS got his job on GL by sucking Marland’s toes. Douggie was into that.

R256 is the most tiresome troll here.

R257 Spicen, right?

The only show that Doug Marland was any good on was GH. Someone just posted a ton of his GL episodes and they are really hard to get through. There are moments, but slogging through an entire show was torture. Doug Marland, while an okay writer, did not have the natural gifts of Nixon and Bell. His story structure was strange. I actually remember his ATWT. And again, there were wonderful moments, but day to day was a chore.

Oh, please, r259. Just go away.

Is r259 the Drew Dixon Douche?

R259 Bye, Felicia.

What R262 said.

Not THAT Felicia, r263.

This Felicia.

You know, instead of just saying bye Felicia or dismissing the point. Why not discuss it? This is a discussion board. Provide counter arguments to the claim. This isn't one of those soap boards where everyone is part of some hive mind collective. People can disagree. There was nothing rude or disrespectful in the post at R259. Most of this stuff is subjective anyway.

Douglas Marland was the best writer of soap opera when I watched soap opera, 1988-1995. I loved ATWT before he died.

I never thought an episode written by Marland was a chore to get through.

I looked forward to each 7-acter w/prologue, five times a week.

R257 Indeed. (And the brain damaged idiot that keeps repeating it is has the rumor ass backwards anyway. No one but no one was sucking on an older gentleman's toes. Marland was the one who liked JWS and Jon Hensley's feet, not the other way around.)

Go away Serial Asshole. You are beyond help. Your family disowned you for a reason. They had you committed for a reason. Seek help, immediately!

R268 has been day drinking.

r271 has been not thinking.

Donna check!

I'm here and ready to chat P&G. Wish we would have a consistent conversation instead of these fits and starts with 15-20 posts in a day, but then nothing for a week.

Fuck off, Aunt Liz.

Hi Liz! *waves*

And me too. It's been empty in here for a while. I always figure sometimes we just all need to recharge our batteries!

I've been thinking about centerpiece families that went the distance. For all of Days of Our Lives' issues, I have to give them credit for maintaining some prominence for the Hortons. After Lemay left, why weren't the Matthews given a second wind?

Aunt Liz’s snatch smelled.

Because P&G wanted new families. Same thing happened on GL with the Bauers.

Anyone know why ATWT decided to kill off Reid ?

Reid & Luke made so much more sense by that point instead of Luke & Noah

Nuke was a terrible pairing. Silberman couldn’t act. Reid was a much better pairing for Luke. Queen Newcomb will disagree since he proclaimed Nuke the pairing of the century before Silberman even aired.

Jake Silberman may have been greener than many actors, but he improved over time. There have been many, many worse actors on daytime than Jake Silberman.

It was so stupid to kill off Reid.

Noah was perfectly fine for a young first love but it was time for Luke to move on from that.

The potential of Luke & Reid was a hard thing to lose.

Reid probably would not have been killed off if it hadn't been the end of the show.

Is she whistling the AW theme?

I don't think there's an OLTL thread so I'm dropping it here because La Strasser was on AW.

The death of Neil Simon has caused her to either drunk tweet or just throw caution out the window. LOL

She started out tweeting about his death then veered off into how her ex-husband started his affair with Lucie Arnez. That's old news but she also spilled that 6 months prior he confessed that he had been screwing both men & women throughout the marriage.

She says she had no idea. She didn't leave him but they entered therapy. Six months later they were still in therapy when she learned he'd taken up with Lucie.

She then said there's nothing wrong with Lavender marriages if the spouse knows & is OK with it but the secrets & lies are not OK.

So Larry Luckinbill wasn’t the only straight cast member in The Boys in the Band besides Cliff Gorman?

Strassman is koo koo. Certifiable.

But she WAS Rachel!

Here's the OLTL thread, r286.

[quote]Is she whistling the AW theme?

"I Could Have Danced All Night," from My Fair Lady.

Air date 34 years ago today.

The first time I ***really*** noticed Phillip.

Oh my, yes.

Tony Reardon made my peen hard.

R292 How was that supposed to be anything but a setup for the gayest soap storyline of all time?

And more importantly, why didn't they show Phillip's BULGE?

Well, they did, r295, if only a little.

There IS an episode where he's with Mindy and there is an obvious hardon

Did Grant ever stick his long dong into Krista T?

DONG!

The episode where Grant got an erection on camera would have aired 35 years ago this month. It was a scene where Phillip was while sitting on a sofa watching Mindy do yoga. When Grant realized what was happening, he pulled his leg up and then leaned his chest against his thigh to block the camera's view of the erection.

I've hunted for the scene on YouTube, but have not been able to find it. Would have aired in August 1983. If anybody can find it, please post the link!

Aunt Liz, you naughty minx!

I do seem to remember that it WAS on YT, but it disappeared at some point. I'll have to unleash my detective powers and see if I can locate it again. It was very near the beginning of the run of all four Four Musketeers.

ORD, the Four Musketeers started in late May/early June 1983 with the introduction of Mindy and Beth. The scene is question aired in August 1983, possibly late July 1983.

I've looked for it multiple times over the years. Have never found it. Good luck in your search for it.

Wow, this might be Grant and Mikey's first scene together.

And yet they had a great rapport on screen.

Serial Asshole Nutcase is back in the mentsl institution! Thank GOD!!!!

The funniest interview that I’ve ever read is the one where Van Hansis claims to be straight. Hysterical! As if that pansy could pass as a pussy hound. Jesus, even Christian LeBlanc acts straighter than Van.

Nola and Quint's wedding. Full episode. June 24, 1983

This website has a list of important dates in GL history.

Bert Bauer had the stinky old snatch.

R302

The Phillip/Mindy scene is definitely on Youtube because it's been linked many times

r309 Please find it for us and provide the link.

I've been on DataLounge for 15 years. That yoga scene has been discussed here several times over the years, but the link to the video has never been posted here on DL. Believe me, I would remember if it had been posted.

I just spent the past 90 minutes going through 1983 GL YouTube postings and couldn't find it. Came across the above episode of Nola and Quint's wedding, but not the yoga scene from Aug 1983.

I know you all are about the dong of Aleksander, but I wanted to marry O'Leary from the day he first appeared.

R311 O'Leary was a cutie when he first appeared. I liked him a lot in his early days.

But he was phoning it in after Rick and Abby split up. The idea that Harley would sleep with Rick was just.....no.

Help! I've been racking my brain trying to remember the name of Rosanna Cabot's estate.

I keep thinking Wildwind but that was Dimitri's and Wyndemere was the Cassadine estate.

It's driving me insane.

Not sure of the name, but do you think Rosanna was being groomed to be the next Lily?

R314

Cady has more talent in her toenail than Martha has in her whole body.

I loved Cady's turn as Rosanna. Great work.

I would've welcomed Cady as a major lead on ATWT but she was adamant about not signing a contract so her coming & going threw a monkey wrench in that.

During a lot of her ATWT run Cady was in her crazy town affair with Hunt Block & she was also in the midst of her mental issues.

If you haven't read her memoir you should get it off of Amazon.

That woman has been thru hell and back from child sexual abuse to disasterous relationships to mental breakdowns.

I'm glad she got the help she needed & is in what appears to be a loving & safe marriage to Jon Lindstrom.

Is Cady the only woman to win an Emmy for 2 different roles?

Maura West & Gina Tognoni did.

Susan Flannery had Emmys for playing Laura Horton in the 1970s and Stephanie Forrester in the 2000s.

R313

Fair Winds

I thought Fairwinds was what happened when Lily queefed.

Fairwinds was the estate owned by Damian and Lily when she returned to Oakdale. Barbara ended up living there-isn’t that where she was burned and scarred? And Paul and Emily lived there when the show ended

Did Rosanna own Fairwinds first?

R322

When Rosanna first came to town she was an heiress but lived with the Snyders She played down her wealth.

When she & Mike fell in love he was never comfortable with her being rich. They got engaged & he wanted her to give away all her money.

She agreed to but then it was revealed he had an affair with her sister Carly. Rosanna called off the wedding & decided fuck this! I'm keeping my money.

All this was during the first Rosanna's tenure. When Cady joined Rosanna was a dichotomy. She was still a part of the unpretentious Snyder clan but she was also incharge of running Cabot Motors.

She bought Fair Winds as her home.

Just saw Dr Bob at our local supermarket. Looking pretty darned good for 84.

Dr Bob had a small dick.

I wonder what Kathy Hays is doing these days.

I met Kathy Hays once when I was working in a bookstore in Union Station. She was so nice. We talked a little, and she called me "Kiddo!" (I asked her to. She was charmed.)

Susan Brown, who played Adelaide, just died. I worked on the show at the time — bottom rung — and she was so sweet and kind to me. The type of person you want to spend time with. What a lovely woman.

Eileen F has the dementia. Shits her diapers. Its sad to hear about her. Godspeed!

Adeliaide?

Adelaide fucked Kirk. She took her choppersout to give him bj’s. She wore wigs. Susan Brown always had a wig on.

Imagine if the Emmys were around in the 60's for soaps? Mary Stuart, Eileen Fulton, Rosemary Prinz would have won among the women; Gene Bua, David Birney and Jonathan Frid would have won among the men.

There are still so many that deserve them, either competitive ones or lifetime achievement ones, that never got them.

And yet there's a long list of shiteous recipients over the last decade.

Happy 100th birthday Helen Wagner!

A veritable Helenpalooza

Helen never sucked MY cock!

I know you can only believe 5% (if that) about what is written about Eileen Fulton here, but does she really have dementia? Reports are that Susan Brown did too.

There were rumors about that even when ATWT was still on, R337. Some people who claimed to be in the know said that she was only given short scenes because of that.

Search for Tomorrow premiered on September 3, 1951. Today would have been the show's 67th Anniversary.

I don't believe Eileen had/has dementia. Certainly not while the show was on because since the cancellation she has done her 1 woman cabaret act.

She couldn't have done that with dementia.

Roger Newcomb has reported that Susan Brown had Alzheimers. Eileen has dementia. There is a difference. Eileen shits her pants.

Coming soon, apparently.

HBS has had better days, it seems. She's really looking kinda old.

Does HBS’s pussy stink?

In one of those Helen clips, Barbara Rodell - the true unsung heroine of New York soaps in the 60's and 70's. Another World, Secret Storm, Guiding Light, World Turns. She was so pretty and her Joyce on ATWT was so different from her Leslie on GL. 's

Carole Shelley has died. She appeared on a few soaps, most notably as a short term Iris recast when Beverlee fell off a ladder and broke some bones.

I don't remember her appearances but it seems to me some of you said you liked her work?

I didn't know she was on the Odd Couple, either.

Shelley was a better Iris than McKinsey and that god awful voice of hers.

another soap world related death

To me Cady McClain was never Roseanne. It didn't help that I never bought Hunt Block as Craig. One of the biggest problem's with Goutman's ATWT was bringing back characters in name only with recasts we knew from other roles. The absolute worst was Dusty, who talked to John about a grand total of once and resembles the original character exactly zilch.

(And to correct something above...Barbara was burned in a fire at the boat house.)

Here are some Carole Shelley as Iris scenes from March 1980. The first of the Iris scenes starts at 13:30, but the best is at 18:10, when Iris learns that Janice tried to poison Mac in St. Croix.

Shush you kids.....Mama's attending Papa Bauer's memorial service.

Aw. As à kid I liked Patrick Clarke as Pat Ryan. I thought he was handsome. Then he was replaced by Malcolm Groome, who I never much cared for. I later found out that Malcolm was Pat previously, and returning to the role. But I missed Patrick.

Sarah Joy Brown needs to have several seats. She lies about ATWT.

Say what, r352?

Lower East Side condo

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Hmm, thread notification counts have gone wild again.

r354-r356 seems to be posting on the wrong thread. I believe he/she wants to be posting on the Post a Photo of Anything Blue thread which is linked below.

Thank you, R358. I was wondering why this thread went beserk all of a sudden.

I believe R352 may be referring to Sarah Joy Brown's claims the Les Moonves fired her from Cold Case and has spent years sabotaging her career.

Sarah Brown taking on Vanessa Marcil won’t end well.....for Sarah.

Who did Sarah Brown play on WT?

Wasn't she a Julia who wasn't the Julia that went crazy and Jack met when he lost his memory?

I would have been gone by then, r363. That poor show was so bad for so long.

Yes, it was weird that they named two separate characters Julia. Thanks, Goutie.

The two Julia's was part of the plot. Jack had amnesia, but had some vague flashes of his past life.

So, when Julia Larrabee found him, Jack felt somewhat safe with her because he had vaguely remembered being married to a Julia (Lindsey).

SJB obviously has issues. What a bitter drama queen. She looks foolish with her bitter tweets.

That was the whole era of ATWT that I just completely blocked out.

Wasn't Parker also psychic when Jack was missing with amnesia?

R369

I don't remember him being psychic per se. He didn't say I know where Jack is & if you go there you'll find him.

Parker was adamant that he was alive though.

I always got douche chills whenever the opening credits showed Tony Reardon doing the karate moves.

Tony was every blue collar dude I grew up with. Definite douche vibes, but you could tell he had a hot body and was packing a nice big one.

Terri Conn tweeted this week that she is going to be one of the hosts on QVC.

She said she has to go thru an 8 month orientation/training before you're allowed to be on screen.

Although clearly he can't compete with THE dong.

I'm kind of sorry to hear that, r373. Though I (mostly) hated Katie, I thought Teri was a really good actress who just got stuck in a very annoying role. She had great comic timing, and really proved her drama mettle when Brad died. She deserves better.

Speaking of which, her husband, Austin Peck, was a lot better than I expected him to be, too-- for his whole run as Brad. I never had any interest in Brad until Austin lightened him up and made him fun.

R375 I didn't mind Terri when she first arrived, and agreed she did good work when Brad died, and with Reid.

Most of us just got sick of her character when Katie was the Vagina That Ate Oakdale. I know it wasn't her fault that, for example, Helen Wagner couldn't even get an entire episode to herself let alone a whole week. But she was where all the attention was being channeled to, so.......

Paul was the one who became psychic, although I think that was after Jack's amnesia story. I had to quit watching for a while because I felt my IQ points were dropping watching such dreck.

I agree with most of the recast comments. I liked Block Hunt, but I always referred to him as "Faux Craig," because he was written so differently and at times, seemed to be channeling W.C. Fields. As for AP, I much preferred the original Brad, who was Jack's OLDER brother and was smoking hot. I hate rewrites of characters to fit the actor, so to make Brad Jack's YOUNGER brother who was a jock, etc., was too much for me. I referred to him as "Faux Brad." I was so happy when he was killed, then pissed off when he came back as a ghost for months on end. Enough!

Wonder why they wrote out Seth Snyder & the 2 sisters ?

[quote]Most of us just got sick of her character when Katie was the Vagina That Ate Oakdale.

I know, right?

[quote]Most of us just got sick of her character when Katie was the Vagina That Ate Oakdale.

Luckily that never happened with my character.

Or mine.

Or mine!

[quote]Carly Tenney Munson Montgomery Hughes Stewart Grimaldi Dixon Snyder Snyder

Did she really? I knew she was the Whore Who Ate Oakdale, but nine husbands (or did she marry Jack twice)?

Lisa Miller McColl’s snatch stunk!

No, she didn't marry a Hughes or a Stewart or a Montgomery. Just Hal, John, Brad, and Jack (twice-ish). And Winston Lowe...though that may not have been legal.

Margaret Colin and Anne Sward fundraising for the American Indian College Fund. They both look fabulous!

So, Carly Tenney Lowe Munson Dixon Snyder Snyder?

R385

WTF was Winston Lowe??

I'm totally blanking on who that is.

There was no joke for r385 or Superman to miss, r388.

#389

It gives me a perverse tickle that EB is pissed about his office.

He's such a prick behind the scenes so this is just deserts as far as I'm concerned.

R390 There was. I was joking when I added many extra names to Carly's name. Because she married a lot.

HA HA

r392 Oh. Ha.

And r383 didn't realize it was a joke, so r385 explained it. So your meme was directed at the wrong poster.

I blame Cecile.

"Did she die?"

"No....she's HERE!"

"She's the Queen of Tanquir."

"Well, I'm not so sure about her status....there may have been a spat, or a coup....."

"Is she sexy?"

"Her legs are too short."

The entire Anne Heche/Anna Stuart exchange there is GOLD.

As is, literally, any scene ever with Nancy Frangione and Anna Stuart.

Glorious.

Thanks for posting that. Iris seems to have forgotten that she is the one responsible for turning Cecile into the monster she became.

Philece Sampler was a better Donna than haggy old Stuart.

Anna is divine.

They should take some of Les Moonves' money and start up a few new NYC soaps (or restart GL and ATWT!)

“Tanqueray” “Tanquir” “...Whatever ...”

R400 ...oh, honey. No, just no.

Anna does more with hors d'oeuvres and food business than any other actress I've seen.

Fabulous!

The only food I want to discuss is the 10 inch sausage dangling between Grant Aleksander's thighs.

Did Mark Pinter have as big a schlong as Grant?

It's thick, girthy and meaty. THE pendulous dongs to end all dongs.

Trying to remember who Lady Eyes A Buggin says "It's you!" to at the end of this.

R409 buries the lede:

Donna to Jake @ 3:19: "Lassiter...it's worse than I thought."

I didn't think that was Tom Eplin in the car with her at the beginning.

Finding a whole bunch of Lemay 2 era AW's from 1988-89 and they are SO good. Anne Heche was a marvel.

R411

Anne as Marley & Vicky was just seamless brilliant acting.

Forget the different style of dress,makeup or mannerisms.

You could tell who was Marley/Vicky just by looking at how she used her eyes. Just fucking masterful

This scene between Heche & Eplin still blows me away.

Marley was always the soft, timid twin but in these scenes she is determined, assertive & filled with seething resignation. Jake had always been slick and tough but in these scenes you see him crumble with shame.

These scenes also stand out because AW let them play without breaking them up via commercials or switching characters. It allowed them to truly resonate.

WOW! Thanks for posting that r413. I'd forgotten how incredible Anne Heche could be.

Anne Heche is terribly underrated. I have liked her in other shows, but sadly after she had very public mental health issues - not to mention a high profile lesbian affair with someone who turned out to be a cunt - she's been kind of a pariah.

Poor Anne! And I thought the posters on this board have psychological problems? You could never know the type of mental issues she had!!!

I'm sure Anne's breakdown was more believable than Alice screaming at you when you tried to take her house, right?

Yes, Anne's breakdown was more believable that Jackie's. Anne's was raw and real. Where's the stark realism that Jackie ever gave to a scene?

*stares at Jackie*

Ugh. I guess Imgur doesn't work like I thought it would.

Finally, the eyes have it

This never gets old. Connie's performance is just mesmerizingly, compellingly insane. There's no other way to describe it. I could watch this over and over and never get tired of it.

In the unedited version she says “Nancy, if you don’t cut up those credit cards, I’m going to kick you in the cunt”.

The actress playing Nancy was OK, very solid at times.

But boy she LOOKED like Connie's daughter, for sure.

Watch it, toots.

How in the world was Kim satisfied with Bob's micro-penis after experiencing Nick Andropolous's thick Greek meat?

Miranda left Bob because of his micro penis.

Nick was a god.

"Break me off a piece of that!"

This was my favorite MMT Nick.

Kim Stewart Andropolous Hughes had a smelly pussy. For realz.

I loved Kevin McClatchy. Wish he would have stayed around on GL or on AW.

Somewhere out there he's in a short LGBT movie, one of the stories in Boys' Life, I think it's called. He's the object of affection of a gay man. It's very charming.

Today is 8 years since the end of ATWT.

Tomorrow will be 9 years since the end of GL.

OMG.....I love Mac and Rachel but

this is grade A, high level HAM

That HAM won Watson an Emmy.

He was WORKING for it!

I hated that storyline. If Lemay was writing it, he would have had Rachel tell Mac almost immediately after she was pregnant that the baby was Mitch's. And that would have created drama, not that stupid trial and Rachel keeping a secret that didn't need to be kept. She fucked Mitch to save Mac's life.

R434

Turn in both your gay card & your soap loving card.

R438 I'm the OP of this thread!

I just thought it all rang false. Mac would understand that Rachel was trying to keep him alive during that whole business with Janice and Mitch.

This was posted on its own thread a few days ago.

Cindy Wilson here.....reminded me a bit of Lisa Brown, which made me connect dots as to why the B52s were asked to be on Guiding Light all those years ago.

If you think Watson was bad, how about that awful McInzey and that affected voice of hers? On AW, she always came off as though she were playing the bus and truck production of some Tennessee Williams play. She was probably one of the worst parts of Texas, she didn't even try when she was GL. Just all-around awful and justifiably never won an Emmy.

McKunty was indeed terrible. I could never stand her. Rest in hell, cunt.

FFS we get it, r441, you hate Bev. You seem to cut and paste this shit everywhere.

R443

Just ignore the troll All they want is attention.

Its name is Spicen.

Yes, always block the Twitter queens.

Serial nutjob is psychotic. He got ripped a new one on twitter.

always!

The role Drew Dixon, formerly known as Andy Dixon, is now being played by the hunky, non-homely Cameron Mathison.

In your dreams, cuntabella.

r449 genus histrio

No, Drew Dixon Douche, just no.

everybody gets high

everybody gets low

Ellen Wheeler didn't know

The right CBS exec to blow

And now we're off the air

Like Ron Raines' fake hair

As tired and as broke

As Kim Zimmer's girdle spoke

ONLY LOVE CAN SAVE THE WORLD, BITCHES!

That opening doesn't look as threadbare as it used to, given what soaps look like these days.

True. Actually outside of a few really bad shots, some of the later scenes near the end were not bad at all.

One thing, and ONLY one thing, could have saved ATWT and have kept it on the air. Alas...

Speaking of GL:

Liz Keifer (Blake) has an ad running for voting against climate change.

Her kids are briefly shown in the ad. Her son looks a tiny bit like a young John Wesley Shipp!

McFlimsy's voice was vomit-inducing.

it's oh

so quiet

MARY!'

That's Douglass Watson on The Moment of Truth.

A young Douglass. He was quite handsome even then.

Honestly, Rachel....THAT outfit?

R463

La Bev was so lovely during that time. She looked like porcelain.

Bev mostly looked amazing.......though there are a few times where her wig game is not quite on point.

When Ellen Wheeler wore white

This was before my time watching ATWT. Lisa's man here is kinda hot.

Hey gals, why don’t we all meet up tomorrow after work at Tops? Martinis are on me.

I'll be there, looking fabulous as usual.

This was so awesome.

I'm sorry I was late to the gathering at Tops, but I had to remind Pat that Michael and Marrianne have a birthday coming up. She's been forgetful lately, a bit to much merlot these days. But I'm sure its just a passing phase.

And then I overheard Dave Gilcrest talking at the hospital about this blonde doctor he wants to ask out. So, I rushed over to tell Alice since she was likely the one who he was talking about. New romance is so exciting.

Then finally, I saw Russ and Rachel having coffee together and I grew worried. I'm glad they are friends. Not all divorced couples can be. But they seemed just a little too close. Rachel may have changed her ways, but that doesn't mean I want her involved with Russ again. No, I he can do much better for himself. So, I put on my dark glasses and sat at the booth beside them to see if I could hear what they were saying while pretending to read the newspaper,

Fanny, you drinkin' again?

R470

That retrospective brings back so many memories. God how I miss Springfield!

Me too.

Jenn Landon is a lezzy.

OMG I never saw this before.

H Squares with Kim Zimmer!

Has anyone seen a scarf?

Someone at the NYT has decided soap people don't deserve a proper obituary.

No Harding Lemay.

No Peggy McCay.

In all fairness to the NYT, who the fuck would care about the death of a miserable old crotchety alcoholic like Lemay?

NYT typically does obits of people who were involved in the theatre world, which Lemay was. Also does obits of NYC based actors regularly.

That's why I am so puzzled they never did run one of him.

Unless, of course, he didn't really die.

Remember when Marie Masters showed her titties in that magazine? People were all up in arms.

"Remember when Marie Masters showed her titties in that magazine?"

Link please.

Playboy?

[quote] "Remember when Marie Masters showed her titties in that magazine?"

Is this another so-and-so clogged the studio toilets thing?

[quote]In all fairness to the NYT, who the fuck would care about the death of a miserable old crotchety alcoholic like Lemay?

I have no idea if Lemay was an alcoholic or not. But if the NYTimes opted to quit doing obits on people simply because they were crotchety and/or alcoholics, that would drastically reduce the number of show biz obits they did.

If the New York Times can do an obit of an actress named a Lewis and confuse her with the 1980s OLTL character named a Lewis (played by actress Margaret Klenck), they can certainly do an obit of Harding Lemay.

A toast to all the Bay City fans here on DL.

R490

I will never not miss AW.

Posted on the GH thread but had to share here.

I usually find fan created things on YouTube distasteful....especially the ones where they're trying to redo the themes or pretend they are the announcers....But this was funny and kinda clever.

(Some P&G names sprinkled in there.)

R490 R491 Me too.

I had to post my own remembrance....of ME, naturally.

The shame of the ATWT/AW crossover is that no one focused on Donna and Lucinda. It would have been great to have these two characters together. They could have saved money on character names because both of them just call everyone "darling."

OK, this is very very interesting, mostly about AW but ATWT also mentioned.

Fascinating story about AW creation. Thanks for posting it.

R490

Ok, that AW tribute has me all verklempt.! I can't believe it's been 18 years.

A teary Dano in the audience........MARY!

Who was the woman introducing the tribute? She's so familiar to me.

R498 I believe that's Lynn Leahey, who was the main editor of Soap Opera Digest for a number of years.

She left SOD sometime around 2010ish, I believe - sometime after the whole Carolyn Hinsey debacle (and gossip thread). She would have been the editor in 2000 when this was filmed.

AW deserves a longer reunion, someday.

[quote] I can't believe it's been 18 years.

19, darling. It's 20 years next June.

R499

When Leahey left SOD did they make Hinsley Editor?

What was the dealio with Hinsley? She was there for eons then left for a handful of years.

She returned to write her column about 1-2 years ago. Speaking of her column I rarely agree with her. She loves all the characters I hate.

It's Carolyn HINSEY, not Hinsley.

She was only an associate editor at SOD. She was fired from Soap Weekly and she stopped doing soap stuff for a while.

She's a fat cunt and everyone hates her.

Carolyn Hinsey is legend (in a very bad way). Anyone have the scoop?

The day she was fired, one of the old gossip sites had an item on her, and the comment thread generated almost 2000 replies. It turned into a hate fest. It's a lot to read, but some of it is glorious.

Cliff Notes version: No one liked her, she was an unpleasant boss, a total starfucker, and crossed lines with a number of performers, reporting on people who she, at least, thought were her friends, including a few of her pets (Cam Mathison, Thorsten Kaye, and Ricky Paull Goldin, to name a few).

I remember reading that bash thread. I wish I could remember what site it was on.

It was incendiary & not just about Hinsey.

So much dirt. It was like a gift that kept on giving.

I remember it talked about Stephanie Sloan having a FWB thing going on with Eplin and he gave her herpes.

The website was called Jossip. The Carolyn Hinsey thread was in August 2008.

The Carolyn thread amassed over 2,000 comments. By the end, the thread got out of hand and was bordering on fan fiction.

But the first several hundred comments (before the general public found it and started posting their fan fic) seemed to be from real insiders, people who worked at Soap Digest or Soap Weekly, talking about some of Carolyn's exploits. There were reports of Carolyn balancing her checkbook in the elevator so her co-workers could see how much money she was making, of Carolyn giving Cameron Matheson blowjobs in her office, of Carolyn interviewing people for jobs and demanding a list of story ideas, then failing to hire the person, but stealing their story ideas. And so much more. Carolyn was a real piece of work. They were calling her The Devil Wears Lane Bryant.

Also talk about Stephanie Sloane (current Digest editor) sleeping with many of the male Days stars when she went to LA to do interviews. Stephanie apparently also dated Tom Eplin and arranged for him to get one of the Soap Digest awards. Reportedly, he also gave her herpes.

Eventually the Jossip thread was taken down. However, someone copied the content and posted it elsewhere.

About a year ago, someone on one of the DL soap threads posted the link to that content. I think it was on either an AMC or OLTL thread. If you really want to see it, you could likely post requests on the the various DL soap threads and someone would probably post the link again.

In the meantime, here is the DL thread from Aug 2008 about the Jossip thread.

Back when soaps first started to be talked on DL & we had real insiders the threads here were must read. This was prior to when the fraus found us.

R506 is right. It was very insidery at first. I knew enough to know that several posters were legit - other staffers from one of the magazines.

It descended into a pile on after that.

One of my contributions was to enter the name "Frank Valentini's overstuffed jockstrap" on one of my posts, a concept which I am delighted to see has lived on here.

There was a poster who created a day in the life of Hinsey. It is probably not all that funny now, but it was riotous at the time.

[quote] They were calling her The Devil Wears Lane Bryant.

I loved that so, so, SO much.

Here's the thread in its entirety. All 2,056 comments. I found it on an Archive site.

Its some great reading. Enjoy.

"Iris Carrington Cory says:

How dreadful that Ms. Hinsey lost her job today. Bitches like us are ALWAYS misunderstood."

Fabulous!

CAROLYN HINSEY CALENDAR (Part 1) August 13, 2008

6AM: Wake up.

6:01: Eat 11 cupcakes and have a beer.

6:05: Get out of bed.

6:07: Fart long enough and loud enough to loosen paint from walls. Shut off fire extinguisher.

6:11 - Scrape barnacles off private parts. Save later for stew.

6:25: Once every two weeks walk behind a Nissan Sentra through car wash to hose down gargantuan body. Call car wash attendant a worthless piece of trash for having hose me down.

6:50: Eat cold pizza, a calzone, three snickers bars and a fifth of gin. After that, have breakfast.

7AM: Call Asian dry cleaning lady a cunt after picking up clothes.

7:03: Balance checkbook in front of the Today Show window; hope camera catches zeroes. Call Meredith Veira a cunt for not look as pretty as Stephanie and Matt Lauer a faggot for not wanting fat ass.

7:07: Eat a side of ham, a Diet Coke and some vodka.

7:10: Go to Starbucks. Troll Jossip message boards. Post two comments. Eat 21 slices of their yummy lemon cake. Have a cofee sweetened with whiskey. Call Starbucks barrista a short dicked dumb fuck who couldn't find a job at anywhere but Starbucks after informing me that they had no more lemon cake.

7:20: Kick a cat. Call it a cunt.

7:30: Call Lynn, Stephanie and various cohorts to coordinate Jossip game plan. Call Lynn back 120 times when bitch fails to pick up.

7:42: Call Mark Teschner. Call of childhood friend a dumb fuck for complaining it's 4:42AM in Los Angeles. Bitch about how no one will answer calls. Eat a box of crackers and two wine coolers. Tell Teschner if he wasn't a "faggot," would have sucked his gay cock in 11th grade and made a real "man" out of him. Would have been a lady and licked the smegma, too.

10:07AM - Hang up with Mark Teschner.

10:08 - Swing by GL studios in Manhattan. Offer Bradley Cole, Lawrence St. Victor, and Murray Bartlett blow jobs. After they decline, suck off Jamaican security guard from building next door. Then call him a nappy headed coon after swallowing.

10:31 - Post on Jossip.

10:40 - Eat a pound of raw hamburger from Gristedes, drink a half a bottle of wine, and eat a three ears of raw organic corn in the middle of produce section. Call store employees assmunching fucks who'll never get a real job.

11AM - Return home. Go on AARP website to check membership status.

11:03 - Call Brian Frons' office. Call assistant a cunt for not picking up the phone after the first ring. Leave 117th message for Frons.

11:04: Eat roasted chicken, four cans of pork and beans, a german chocolate cake, and a leg of lamb. Beverage: a diet Coke. And a an old fashioned long island ice tea.

11:20: Post on Jossip.

11:46 - Go to Blondie's. Call employees mildly retarded Autistic fucks for letting her knock on door for 10 minutes before letting her inside.

11:47 - Knock back 6 beers, a pina colada, and an Incredible Hulk, with extra Hypnotiq and extra, extra Hennesey. Call Norwegian tourists in for lunch a bunch of stupid foreign fucks who would never be good enough to live in the USA and co-own a fucking sports bar, too.

12:39 - Finish cursing out Norwegian tourists.

12:47 - Put 19 posts on Jossip.

1:00PM - Leave 47th message for Jill Farren Phelps

1:01 - Leave 164th message for Cameron Mathison.

1:02 - Hang up on Cameron Mathison's wife for 93rd time.

1:04 - Leave 271st message for Thorsten Kaye.

1:07 - Leave 69th message for Barbara Bloom

1:08 - Leave voice mail for Lynn, calling her a backstabbing whore who will get hers when she least expects it and her kids will be left orphans.

1:11 - Leave 19th message for Jamaican guy at building next door to GL studios.

1:13 - Bitch slap a 4th grader.

1:15 - Leave 333rd message for Michael Logan to get back about hook up at TVGuide.com or will release false info about the time Logan impersonated a priest at a Catholic middle school in the mid-80's.

1:19 - Leave 46th message for John Callahan.

1:21 - Leave 77th voice mail for Lauren Koslow.

1:27 - Fart.

1:30 - Lunch.

2PM - Leave 9 posts on Jossip. Check on Lynn and Stephanie's postings. Call them ignorant dick sucking bitches with STD's for not being more convincing.

2:02 - Drink a case of Snapple, eat a gallon of Pathmark brand ice cream, and a whole cheesecake. Top it off with two Jagermeisters. And some gin.

3:03 - Check Monster.com and Jobs.com for responses to resume.

3:03:04 - Cry that no one has responded to resume. Fart. Shut off sprinkler system.

3:15 - Take a shit. Shut off sprinkler system.

3:35 - Receive restraining order from Interlink to stay away from offices in perpetuity.

3:50 - Michelle Stafford takes call after 307th voice mail. The Staff misreads caller ID and immediately hangs up.

3:52 - Storm into Blondies. Call group watching the Olympics a bunch of cornholing faggots and they should pay for watching the games on the part of the big screen tv's that are owned or eat her out.

4:20 - Check personals ad on Craigslist. No responses.

4:22 - Leave 134th message for Chris Goutman.

4:23 - Leave 92nd message for Agnes Nixon.

4:26 - Take train to Peapack, New Jersey to find Ellen Wheeler.

8:40 - Return having not found Ellen Wheeler. Call New Jersey Transit workers short dicked cunts.

9:10 - Post 16 times on Jossip.

9:21 - Receive restraining order from Mrs. Cameron Mathison, Mrs. Thorsten Kaye, and Mr. and Mr. Ricky Paull Goldin.

9:30 - Order 7 Dominoes pizzas with various toppings. Eat whole meatloaf, a tub of mashed potatoes, half gallon of gravy, three cans of tuna, a jar of grape jelly, four Pillsbury Oven Fresh microwavable biscuits, and a bottle of Jack Daniels with a splash of Coke.

9:51 - Pizzas arrive. Call delivery guy a nasty little spic who should suck on her massive titties for being late and threaten to get him fired from he only job he was qualified or would ever get if he doesn't let her suck on his Mexican cock. When informed he's Armenian, exclaim that the dick at least won't taste like tacos and chimichangas. Slam door dramatically when delivery guy leaves after turning her down.

10:01 - After polishing off pizzas, post on Jossip.

10:20 - Begin calling and leaving messages for every producer, actor, and daytime executive. For the 5th day in a row. Hope for a response.

11:41 - Phone rings. It's an automated message from ConEd to pay overdue electric bill.

11:47 - Look out window, see Armenian pizza delivery guy leaving building. Yells down to crowded street that he has a little cock and a lady like her would not have enjoyed sucking it anyway.

Midnight - Dinner.

I'm SCREAMING!!! LOL

Worth a dig on a cold/rainy day, for sure. Some good gossip!

I don't know how she got back into Digest. And reading that thread reminds me that Alan Carter was the originator of It's Only My Opinion. That bitch stole EVERYTHING.

Alan Carter certainly had lots to share about Carolyn on that Jossip site. Seemed to be having a therapy session getting all the things she did to him off his chest. But he sure endured a lot from her. Calling around LA looking for Alan and suggesting he was out doing drugs in an effort to ruin his reputation and good name with soap people. She was a piece of work.

Alan is a nice guy, too. That fat cunt!

Nancy Frangione (Cecile) disappeared seemingly from the face of the Earth after 1996. Hmmm..........

To this day, I have never understood why TPTB at AW lured her back to the show full time in 1995, then refused to put her on contact and unceremoniously wrote her off the show in 1996... Cass marrying Cecile would have made so much more sense in the finale, than Cass marrying Lila.

Show should have moved heaven and earth to keep Nancy Frangione in the 1980s.

If they couldn't persuade her to stay in 1984, then at least have moved that mountain during one of her returns in 1986 or 1989. Should have given Nancy whatever it took to keep her.

If anyone was worthy of getting helicopter rides to work from Vermont, it was Nancy Frangione, not Jensen Buchanan.

R520

You better PREACH !!

Testify, R520!

I could watch Donna and Cecile scenes all day.

I will forever say fuck you Serial Asshole Nutjob!

I'm clutching my pearls for Kim as we speak.

Where are the Zsa Zsa Gabor scenes? I remember her having scenes with James Stenbeck and Miranda Marlowe.

meow.

Aunt Liz, shouldn't you be meddling in someone's affairs?

Go away Serial Sicko Nutjob! Asshole.

[quote]Aunt Liz, shouldn't you be meddling in someone's affairs?

Well, I am, dear. Constantly. I can meddle and post on DL too. I'm a 21st Century gal. I know how to multi-task.

Speaking of which, I'm worried about Alice. She has been seeing that nice Dave Gilchrest, but I think he really has a crush on Rachel. I would hate to see Alice get her heart broken again. She can only take so much tragedy in her life. I think we should set Alice up with that handsome Cass Winthrop.

Cass is a virile man. He has needs, needs Alice can't meet.

WHERE is the blow job she's ever given him?

Asshole Serial Nutcase is off his meds. Fuck you forever, asshole.

r530 Mom, Don't worry about Cass. Yes, he's a virile man. I've been taking good care of his needs.

Heeee heee heeee heeee heeeeee *snort*

Jamie always swallows, like a good neighbor.

Philece Sampler was THE Donna Love that I remember. I just adored Philece. She was the TRUE Donna Love. I heart her forever and ever.

Rhonda Lewin was playing Vicky when I first started watching AW. She's the one I related to and loved. Rhonda is THE Vicky Hudson in my mind.

I know my memory is faulty but didn't Cass come to Bay City a good 10 years after Alice left?

Yes, your memory is faulty.

Cass came to Bay City on July 21, 1982, according to the Another World Home Page.

Alice, as portrayed by Linda Borgeson, left Bay City on Sept 15, 1982.

Jacqueline Courtney reprised the role for a year, starting in May 1984. Her return was part of the 20th anniversary celebration. She also returned for visits in 1989 for the Brava 25th anniversary celebration and for Mac's funeral.

I always wanted to lick Maureen Garrett’s snatch.

Cass is my first uncut friend.

Sigh.

A fun ATWT factoid.

I worked on the show in the early 90s. During the summer, when there was pressure to capture the high school/college viewers, the network dictate was to open each episode with youth or Lucinda. Yes, she tested through the roof with young viewers. No other adult character came close.

R542 I remember reading something online from Sam Ford, who was a researcher at one of the big universities (Yale?) and also a big soap fan.

He taught a class on ATWT and had, you know, fifty twentysomethings watching and analyzing the show, and down to a person, their favorite character was Lucinda. Margo landed on a few students' radar as well.

I think that may have been part of why Luke was so popular. Sure, he was Lily's son, etc. But the audience saw him through Lucinda and Holden's eyes, too. And we all know if an actor could survive ad libs with Liz Hubbard, they were pretty damn good!

"I worked on the show in the early 90s. During the summer, when there was pressure to capture the high school/college viewers, the network dictate was to open each episode with youth or Lucinda. Yes, she tested through the roof with young viewers. No other adult character came close."

This doesn't surprise me at all. I was obsessed with her and her romance with John when I was still in my teens!

Darlings!

Based on my research, the college-aged viewers loved them some Lily. The teenaged girls all wanted to have a best friend like Lily, and the slightly older gals respected her for her brains. While the teenaged boys all wanted a girlfriend like Lily, who would fuck any dude she met in a barn, while the young gay boys wanted to be Lily, getting double penetrated by Dusty and Holden.

^^

Speaking of Lily I just re-watched the story of Lily learning she was Iva & Josh's child. My God! Martha was simply awful. She chewed every bit of scenery while Lisa & William were perfection.

I wanted someone to throat punch Lily. Back then it wasn't one & done. The director should've told Martha to dial it down by at least 100. She was so laughable I don't know how Lisa/William stayed in character.

Disagree totally. She was great in those scenes. I hated Lily pouting all summer long after that, though. A little of that went a long way.

I remember a girl in my HS who loved Holden and Dusty.

She told us one day in study hall she wanted to fuck them both.

At the same time? one of the other girls asked.

Sure! she said.

How? Girl 2 asked.

I'll fart and make room! was her reply. We all fell off our chairs laughing.

R548

Have you watched it recently? She was screaming & shrieking through the entire scenes. So OTT.

R510, wasn’t that thread titled “The Devil Wears Lane Bryant”?

"Speaking of Lily I just re-watched the story of Lily learning she was Iva & Josh's child. My God! Martha was simply awful. She chewed every bit of scenery while Lisa & William were perfection."

Disagree. It was quite appropriate for a girl who had just heard that her father figure-- Craig-- might have died in a plane crash to be "OTT," but then to hear this on top of it? Who wouldn't lose it? When Lily turned to Iva and cried, "You were my BEST FRIEND," it just broke my heart. All three actors were fabulous.

I thought Martha was great as teen Lily. As she aged, you could see her acting. (When she played that sister or whatever she was, with the wig and the cheesy accent, it was embarrassing.)

[quote] wasn’t that thread titled “The Devil Wears Lane Bryant”

It got that nickname, yes. Someone in the thread called Hinsey the Cow that and it took off.

I'm very shocked she's still around, but I think she's doing the weekly column for basic rates. I don't know what the bitch does for a real job. Is she still head waitress at Blondies?

R554

She also writes for Closer Magazine.

Josh and Beth from GL have small parts in the last season of House Of Cards.

Martha confirmed that poor Liz has dementia. Sad.

Ugh, one of the sharpest, smartest women who ever lived! So sorry to hear that. I have worshiped La Hubbard for so, so long. Truly my favorite actress ever.

Can I ask where she confirmed it, r557, because I was just on Martha's Twitter page and she didn't say anything about it there.

R557

Yes where did you hear that?

I think R557 is full of shit - it's Spicen or Serial, one of those two demented Twitter queens who post here.

The same one who says things like "Eileen Fulton clogged the CBS studio toilets!" and other musings of a sad, sick bitch.

I hate to be the one to tell them....but they betta reinforce that fucking chair, or it's gonna be a pile of toothpicks after La Giddens takes that throne.

Holy fuk! Queen Jamey will never get her ass in that chair and if by chance Queen J did fit her fat ass in it, it would collapse! Obviously that is just for show and not for sitting. Gurl needs to lay off the mac & cheese and cheesy grits.

So after several seasons of doing the lesbitastic scene on the California coast. "Venice" appears to be turning into Guiding Light Lite for its next season.

The Zim and Jerry ver Dorn are slated to appear, and I think Robert Newman is, too.

They are shakin' that tin cup for crowdfunding donations!

The funniest exchange ever was watching John Wesley Shipp shut down the bully Serial Nutcase on twitter. HWS called out Serial Asshole for being a bully and sitting behind his computer attempting to bully everyone. JWS did not put up with any of Serial Asshole Nutcase’s bullshit!!!!! It was hysterical!! We talked about it in our DM group. It was classic!!!!!!

Hopefully they have a separate budget to fund the "Kim Zimmer 'I'm Not A Drunk, I Just Drink Twelve Glasses of Wine A Day" Craft Services and Wine Fund."

I am a huge Zimmer fan. I just loved her on GL and would love to see her act again.

However, I saw a video a couple months ago with her family celebrating her son becoming a dad.

My God! She looks really bad. It really wounded me how she's let herself go.. She looked downright svelte at the end of GL compared to how she looks now.

It's unfathomable to me that someone could let themselves go when they were so sexy. Yes, I know menopause can add some weight but she's crazy big now.

This was Zimmer about a year ago.

I think she's relatively short and any weight gain just makes her face and torso look very boxy. I know she's in her mid 60s and I have no delusions that she should look like she did in 1988, but I do worry about her and about JvD, who has ballooned as well. (With him, I wonder if it's steroids from his cancer fights.)

Meanwhile, Robert Newman seems to get HOTTER as he ages.

R569 Yes, he does!

Damn that Harley (as a character).

She had a veritable A-list of prime dong: Phillip's pendulous dong, as well as Mallet's meat, Josh's dangler and Alan-Michael's pocket python.

Who's Tweeting this account and asking him if he's still looking for Lenore's scarf?

r571 Harley also got a steady taste of Gus's snake.

R573 Yes, but we were talking about the HOT dudes she'd fucked!

Gus the k.d. lang lookalike was never hot to me.

Hotness and sexiness are a matter of taste.

I found RPG incredibly sexy on GL. That's an amazing statement given that I did not care for him on AW. I think he grew into his looks and sexiness and was gorgeous by the time he got to Springfield. But others will disagree.

I loathed his character and the way Gus ate the show so by default I just never saw him as attractive, I suppose.

And I never saw the fuss re: Gus and Harley. I thought they had zero sum chemistry, and I thought he compromised her strength and intelligence in ways that none of her other on-screen partners ever did.

But Aunt Liz, you are right. It's a matter of perspective.

R576

All I remember about Gus/Harley was the risque sex scene they had against a wall.

It started with both standing but eventually Gus crouched down while going down on her.

Aunt Liz is an icon.

[quote]I loathed his character and the way Gus ate the show so by default I just never saw him as attractive, I suppose.

Aren't you confusing Gus with Jeffrey O'Neil?

Yes Gus got extra screen time when they decided to keep him in town and connect him to the Spauldings.

But that doesn't even remotely compare to the way Jeffrey O'Neil ate the show upon arrival. Suddenly this character with no connection to anyone in town was the center of the show. Everything revolved around him. Every woman was throwing herself at him, men were kowtowing to him.

The character was repulsive. But then, I didn't care for yawn-inducing, milquetoast Prince Richard either. As a result, I never found Bradley Cole attractive

Gus was the only good thing that came out of Claire Labine's year-long reign as HW.

Fuck you Retard Serial No Friends. Asshole.

R580 I loathed him too, for many of the same reasons.

You're right that Jeffrey ate the show on an even grander scale. Both of them were assholes. But that was the whole point, to make GL cool and hip by having these manly dudes around. It was working on GH, et al so GL needed it too.

R581, I kinda see your point, because I thought Gus was OK in his first few months. It was only what he was turned into once Claire left that made me loathe him.

I saw that REBECCA is being remade (with Lily James and Armie, no less).

I always think of Quint, Nola and Mrs. Renfield.....an obvious riff on that story.

I worship Lisa Brown. She was the Daytime Queen of Suffering.

And her characters scored some very, very fine cock.

Lisa was never just the typical soap frau. She may not have had the traditional beauty pageant look, but she was a very stunning woman, and Nola, at least in the beginning, had a real offbeat vibe.

She was one of those characters that the audience could really identify with, see themselves in her struggle.

I always wanted Mrs Renfield’s hairdo.

I was referenced in another thread, darlings!

Fascinating list of the longest running soap actors.

Lots of P&G stars on this list of American actors, with Don Hastings, Helen Wagner and Eileen Fulton at the top of the list.

I know that for a time Don Hastings was the longest running actor in a show anywhere.

I believe he was eventually bypassed by William Roache from Coronation Street.

Helen would have been had she not been written off in the early 80s.

It's that time of year again....

And in Springfield.....

(yes, it's a later one, but MARY STUART!)

Turkey and the Hubbard squash!

John Wesley Shipp still looks damn good in a suit.

JWS handed Serial Nutcase his balls. Funniest tweets ever. Serial Nutjob bullies people and JWS called him out for it. Hysterical.

This thread's about to end, and since things have been slow....maybe it's time to take a break for a while.

Lifting my champagne glass to you all.

And some popcorn, too.

May your journeys always be filled with light and love, darlings.

and keep spinning....