My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

Come on Mueller, hurry up! We are losing our country.

NATO ambassador: Russia is "trying to flip many of our allies"

Rudy is such an unbelievably ignorant, audacious, hypocritical, demented windbag. I am counting the days for his public humiliation - it can't come fast enough.

You know haven't heard a peep from Jared in a long time. Is he in hiding? Bevis and Butt Head are mysteriously quite too.

Ivanka? What's with her?

The only thing that really bums me out is no matter how complete and undeniable the evidence will be, at the end of the day the Repugs will not Impeach the Orange Cheeto and ignore their legal duty without any way to hold them accountable. Deplorables will re-elect them.

Sigh.

Nah, R8. He’ll get his comeuppance. But why not be a defeatist psychic, like you?

Stop rolling over and baring your neck. Protest, demand, resist, get involved.

Giulliani is like Trump...they age never embarrassed by their lies and stupidity.

R8. He will be impeached, he will not be convicted by the Senate.

Pay attention. I have already said impeachment is off the table.

Why is Rudy being an attorney and spokeswoman for Trump? Shouldn't she be a defendant or at least a witness, perhaps, stemming from 2016 pertaining to his role in collusion and leaks from his buds at the NY FBI office?

So if Trump refuses to be interviewed as Giuliani has indicated, what's the next step for the investigation?

Rudy is having legal trouble of his own. There is definitely a leak investigation about the FBI field office in NYC and Rudy/Trump campaign about Hillary's e-mails. Rudy also has Russian business ties. Read the Chait article in NY Magazine in the last threat to get a flavor for how Putin operates. It's towards the end of the thread maybe the last 20 posts, and you'll find it. I'm not able to link at this time.

r14 Mueller can subpoena Trump to testify before a grand jury. Trump will have a very hard time getting out of that considering that Bill Clinton testified before a grand jury during Ken Starr's investigation.

Bottom line is that I don't think Mueller actually needs Trump to testify to finish that part of the investigation; that's what most of the experts I've heard and read appear to believe.

And as for Rudy's "most corrupt" investigation latest nonsense?

Stop projecting Rudy. The most corrupt thing here is you and the president you are now defending.

Dana Bash of CNN did a poor job of questioning/countering Rudy's absurd statements.

I've noticed that Dana Bash often has trouble countering right wing talking points.

I prefer her ex Jeremy Bash on MSNBC any day.

r18, because her job is to give the GOP a forum to controle the narrative outside Fox News.

Thank you R16. If he refuses it will be clear he has something to hide. Of course we know that but judicially I mean. .

I do think at the very least someone from the good guys team, ought to be doing TV specials on Mueller and his career. You know, like a biography. He's a war hero, and a remarkable, incorruptible major force in law enforcement and legal circles.

I miss the listing of previous thread titles.

R23 are you unable to see R2?

Want to take a minute to once again thank OP for keeping these threads going. Thanks, OP!!!

Whenever Rudy crawls out from under his rock to make an absurd statement to feed Trump's base, I know it's only a distraction from what Trump is really doing to destroy our country and the freedoms we hold so dear.

I love that Lanny Davis is representing Cohen. He is tweeting criticism of Giuliani and Trump and pissing Rudy off. Go, Lanny!

Lanny Davis is very smart at negotiating the system and defending his clients. Rudy is out of his league if he wants to have a pissing contest with Davis. Davis is also very TV savvy.

If he hasn't already, Jared is totally going to flip on Orange daddy. He's not going to spend time in Prison like his father... despite how much he might enjoy the cock.

I wish somethings huge would break in this investigation. I will turn the tv off all day today with Trump giddy announcing his Supreme Court pick.

R30, today and tomorrow. That's all they will be talking about. I love Jeffrey Toobin. He has been really irritable, snarky to David Gregory. He says that the discussions about whether or not this judicial candidate drove a cab, or whether Gorsuch likes to ski, or which housing project Sotomayer grew up in, are irrelevant. "Who cares? really." He repeatedly snarked Gregory. He said he wanted the Senators to ask, and the nominees to answer questions about case law and rulings and stuff they wrote.

He said Trump made an issue of being Anti abortion during the campaign and repeatedly said he was appointing Anti abortion judges. So why were people talking about it as if it was a mystery? Love him. The real issue IMO is Kavanaugh. He worked for Ken Starr and wrote the dirty parts of the Starr Report, and he wrote papers on how you cannot indict a sitting President, etc. I'd be real worried about him if Trump goes with him.

I don't care about Hardiman or the other two. They're all going to be Conservatives, they're all anti abortion. It's a given. And, as Toobin pointed out all of them will very likely be anti Gay Rights, and Anti Affirmative Action, too. This is the reality we face. So I'm not watching the announcement, and I will not watch the TV coverage and the blathering pundits.

We get those kids out of the cave and then we re-focus on the disgraceful Homeland Security/ICE mess at out borders, forcing babies to be brought into court for immigration hearings, making asylum seekers fill out brand new 32 page forms, holding kids hostage, etc. and plant that flag on Trump's front porch. The only thing I want to say is that the Dems better fight like hell to stop this nominee. They will probably lose the fight but they have to have it. They need to be seen to be taking a stand and fighting. This is an election year. Make your voices heard. Make calls to Congress tell them to FIGHT.

Hopefully the system will start to collapse before midterms and we can regain control of not only the House, but the Senate as well.....then, we can retake the white house in 2020 and with total control can mitigate the damage of the SC by appointing 2 additional SC justices to offset the conservative majority. It can happen.

I have a feeling Jared has been a mole ever since his 2 interviews with Mueller's team.

I don't think there's just one mole. I think various people have given up information on various incidents or other actors or situations. So the mole is a composite of several persons. IMO

Kellyanne may be a mole, not sure. She is known for spreading rumors. Word is she has frequently argued with Trump. She's an operative of the Mercers, as Bannon once was. So she has that back-up. She has been a figure on the D. C. Cocktail circuit for more than a couple of decades.

Kellyanne has also violated the Hatch Act at least twice. When she was urging TV viewers from the WH lawn to purchase Ivanka's labeled products; that was way out of line.

That makes the most sense r34.

I imagine it as one mole leads to getting the goods on a few more, and so on, like dominoes. Of course there are a others along the way who won't turn, or are still at the bargaining table.

OP - Congratulations, you did it again. Good title, superb graphic!!

R31 In total agreement with you about Jeffrey Toobin. He and Carl Bernstein are my two favorite talking heads on CNN. Toobin is often very concise, and is very apt and cutting away the bullshit aspects of the investigation and isolating the important points. Bernstein, with his constant references to Watergate and comparisons of the timeline, points out that this investigation is going far swifter and revealing more aspects of corruption than many realize. He's often upbeat and is one of the few who gives me hope that we will come out of this, mostly victorious.

R35 Also believe your theory on Kellyanne might be correct. Maybe she's leaking to her husband and he's the one calling the NYT and Wapo. Otherwise, how could you explain the fact they're still together despite his twitter tirades about Trump.

CNN's Marshall Cohen: Two sources close to Michael Cohen tell @GloriaBorger that Cohen has a clear message for Trump and Giuliani: "the truth is not you or your client's friend."

Sounds to me like Michael Cohen is still trying to get legal fees and a pardon out of Trump.

Trump isn't going to help Cohen. Trump thinks he is so protected he can let both Manafort and Cohen rot in cells. Trump will never believe that any harm will come his way he has told so many lies he can beat them both with the absolute shit that drops out of his moth vs whatever they say against him

R33 if anything he's istaels mole

R25 yes good job OP!

OP's selection of gifs in the past couple of threads have been outstanding.

Posting the Jonathan Chait article that was posted towards the end of the last thread. He's cautious for the sake of optics, but carefully spells out how and why Trump is likely to be a Russian asset, and why the establishment press keeps dismissing the idea.

It’s a great piece, r44, and your summary is excellent.

Personally, I see the Trump as Russian agent theory as validated by Occam's razor. It’s the theory requiring the fewest assumptions.

Thanks, R45. Yes, Occam's razor. I like how several times Chait uses the argument "It would be odd if he *didn't* ...." I hope this together with Malcolm Nance's book tips the balance of opinion.

Camera-craving Lindsey Graham is on a campaign to pressure red state Democratic Senators to vote for Trump's Supreme Court nominee. He was doing this BEFORE any candidates were name. Lindsey sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee. He has no semblance of even pretending to be open-minded. It is also audacious to be telling Dem Senators from red states how to vote, as if he was anointed the all-knowing title of Master Queen of the Senate?

Did McTurtle appoint him as point person to pressure Democratic Senators? Lindsey, why not, instead, be the point person to save the severely endangered nesting habitats of sea turtles along the coastline of your home state, South Carolina?

The media needs to stop portraying this Senator as principled and ethical maverick. He is not. He is still yapping about Hillary's Emails and has been pressuring the DOJ/FBI?Mueller investigation in behalf of Trump's personal interests. He needs to focus on his old Emails; Putin allegedly has them.

What was told to Lindsey at those golf outings awhile back? Since then, he has been an unrelenting Trump sycophant.

I have been very curious about Miss Lindsey's change in heart regarding tRump myself. I really wonder what they have over his head...probably not helpful that McCain is so ill too.

r48 it seems to me that many Republican Senators and Congresscritters are blackmailed by Russia, but what I don't understand is if their districts are so gerrymandered why don't they resist? They'd get elected in any case, so why capitulate to Russia? As if none of their associates knows of their crimes and mob ties and corporate ownership, as if any of the Republican voters would stop voting just because their Christian white male representative was dirty.

I would have no ethical misgivings if miss Lindsay were outed now. Surely there must be someone possibly a DLer who'd tell all.

R48 Miss Lindsey is like Rand Paul who claim they are against whatever the Repubs are doing but when it comes down to the vote they vote the party line. All of them are liars and hypocrites.

R50 Lindsey has been known as a closeted gay in South Carolina since he first ran for the House decades back. An old bf or two are known. Opponents, both Republican primary opponents and some Democratic ones have alluded to it frequently. Lindsey has been quite clever in keeping his "relationships" suppressed. He will go out with a couple of females to restaurants, but will not be seen with one other single guy repeatedly. Male relationships would be 'residence based" and away from the media. South Carolina has had a host of closeted male politicians. Their majority voters don't care as long as they take anti-gay political positions and vote accordingly. Graham now says gay marriage is the law. As recently as the confirmation hearing of former AG Loretta Lynch, he was comparing such marriages on par with beastiality. It is all to cater to his fundamentalists base.

[quote] Jeffrey Toobin. He has been really irritable, snarky to David Gregory. He says that the discussions about whether or not this judicial candidate drove a cab, or whether Gorsuch likes to ski, or which housing project Sotomayer grew up in, are irrelevant. "Who cares? really." He repeatedly snarked Gregory.

And Gregory by pointing out the intellectual dishonesty slammed the door hard on Toobin's snarking face.

“But Jeffrey then you get into a cycle of, you’re going to punish people because of their views — this is why we have presidential elections,” he argued. “If the president wants to appoint somebody who may overturn Roe v. Wade, I meant that’s why we have elections.”

Toobin said he agrees, adding “elections have consequences,” but emphasized again that the confirmation hearings should focus on the decisions that future Justices might theoretically make as it pertains to specific hot issues rather than focusing on their resume, qualifications, or fitness for the job.

Gregory low-key blasted Toobin’s position to close the segment, saying that “this is just another means of politics.”

A must read.

What a mess! This is going to take years, and many administrations, to fix...if we’re lucky

The GOP is a party of crooks, liars, and traitors. Rotten from top to bottom.

Look for Miz Lindsey to be the top name floated to succeed Mad Dog Mattis as the next Secretary of Defense. It'd make him so very happy!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my, "Driving Miss Lindsey" to and from the Pentagon. She'll find a war and make the military industrial complex very happy.

Miss Lindsey will need war..how else can she be serviced by soldiers?

Think about it. Lindsey ran for President, and I honestly think if she could come up with some "crowning achievement" a good exit strategy she'd happily leave the Senate. I don't she's having a good time since her favorite Beau Johnny McCain took sick. Lindsey, I'm sure, feels qualified in a number of areas with Defense being the top choice, but she'd settle for Attorney General, or Secretary of State. Hell she'd settle for being an Ambassador to a major country, like Great Britain or France. Oh, the fun she'd have in France!!!!

Lindsey tried an alternative health care bill, but failed.

He wants the immigration bill he developed with some others, to get passed as a big achievement. But Steve Miller talked Trump into being against it. The bill could actually get through the Senate if McTurtle allows it to be introduced. Lindsey's bill is a moderate version between the more extreme versions. Certain South Carolina big business interests favor cheap labor and seasonal workers for farm produce.

It would be funny if Trump and Giuliani were indicted at the same time

Will the nominee be releasing their tax returns? I want to know about any financial entanglements with Russians or with the Trump family or the Trump Organization. Also want to know about any family financial entanglements. Is this person blackmailable by Russia or Trump or both? What exactly are their ties with the Federalist Society, and with Leonard Leo (the guy who put this all-important "List of Acceptable Justices" together. He's a shady guy with a lot of shady billionaires behind him and his various shady organizations. Who exactly will this nominee owe going into the job? Who will they answer to?

And raise the issue of why exactly Anthony Kennedy stepped aside. Was he blackmailed by Trump because of all the sleazy dealings Trump has with his son and Deutsche Bank?

I'm not sure the Democrats can actually stop this, but they need to fight and need to ask hard, impolite, injudicious questions. Treat him or her worse than Clarence Thomas. Treat them as the compromised criminal they probably are and go from there.

[quote] And raise the issue of why exactly Anthony Kennedy stepped aside.

An 81 year old retiring. It MUST have been blackmail!

Come to think of it, who blackmailed Ginsburg to NOT retire and let Obama replace her. Probably a sex tape.

So has Cohen handed over the documents, given that his counsel couldn't finish the document review? Does the prosecution have them? July 5 was the deadline.

r66....yes

Messages unscrambled.

Really good discussion about Trump and Russia from the other day.

Generic ballot - D ahead of R ~8%.

plenty of 81 year olds stay on the court. And he's perfectly healthy. And his son is entangled with Trump and his crazy, shady bullshit. There is every reason to raise the issue and to make a big deal of it. Kennedy is purposely stepping aside knowing an asshole who will renounce much of his legacy will appoint his successor. I would actually like to know why. Don't you?

and I would very much like to know if the named successor will also be entangled with Trump, Russia, Treason, and sleazy billionaires. Don't you?

R65 RBG didn't retire because the Republicans wouldn't even let Obama replace a DEAD Justice. And Kennedy has a son who was involved in Trump's finance, so that calls for some scrutiny.

Seems like Trump is picking Kavanaugh......the asswipe who wrote papers on why a president shouldnt be indicted, subpoenaed, or face any legal actions......so basically, Trump picked the guy whos stated publicly he would protect Trump.

Trump Reeks of Fear

Charles M. Blow

July 8, 2018

I can smell Donald Trump’s fear from here. His panic. His anxiety.

And yet, I don’t have a full picture of what is causing it.

The only people who know what has been discovered in the Russian election meddling probe are Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his team, and they aren’t talking.

But President Trump no doubt knows far more about it than the rest of us, and what he knows — or what he fears — appears to be a consuming preoccupation. He tweets about the investigation constantly.

Part of this is an overt play to bend public opinion, to besmirch whatever conclusions the investigation might reach and to ward off any attempt at a possible impeachment.

As The New York Times reported last week about the president and his legal team:

“They have come to believe that, if the Democrats win control of the House in November, the chamber will vote on whether to begin the impeachment process no matter the outcome of Mr. Mueller’s investigation. So they want to sway Americans — and by extension, lawmakers.”

The Times quoted Rudy Giuliani, one of the president’s lawyers, as saying, “Nobody is going to consider impeachment if public opinion has concluded this is an unfair investigation, and that’s why public opinion is so important.”

Politico reported on this strategy in May, writing: “President Donald Trump and his lawyers have made a strategic calculation that their fight against Special Counsel Robert Mueller is more political than it is legal. They’re banking that the lead Russia investigator will follow longstanding Justice Department practice that a sitting president can’t be indicted, and that the only real threat to Trump’s survival is impeachment.”

Politico continued:

“So long as that theory holds, Trump’s plan is to forcefully challenge Mueller in the arena he knows best — not the courtroom but the media, with a public campaign aimed at the special counsel’s credibility, especially among Republican voters and G.O.P. members of Congress.”

...

... In May, CNN’s Dana Bash interviewed Giuliani, and she posited that the “Spygate” saga was “an intentional strategy to undermine the investigation, knowing that they, the investigators, the special counsel, it’s their policy not to talk. But you are very free to and are very aggressive about doing so.”

Giuliani responded in part:

“Of course, we have to do it in defending the president. We are defending — to a large extent, remember, Dana, we are defending here, it is for public opinion, because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach, not impeach. Members of Congress, Democrat and Republican, are going to be informed a lot by their constituents. So, our jury is the American — as it should be — is the American people.”

Yes, there is some impeachment fervor on the left, some that party leaders have tried to tamp down, fervor even in advance of Mueller’s findings. But there also appears to be very real impeachment fear in the Trump inner circle.

One has to ask: Why exactly is impeachment front of mind for these people? If they were as innocent as they publicly proclaim, they would know that impeachment would be out of the question as a matter of fact and law. But that is apparently not the case.

Do they believe that Democrats would take the politically disastrous step of moving to impeach Trump even if Mueller fully exonerated him?

I don’t believe so. I believe that Trump is conducting himself as only a guilty man would, one who has a very real and well-founded fear that he is in imminent jeopardy.

...

... He is girding for the fight.

In May, Trump added Emmet T. Flood, a lawyer who represented Bill Clinton during his impeachment, to his legal team.

And in May 2017, CNN reported: “White House lawyers have begun researching impeachment procedures in an effort to prepare for what officials still believe is a distant possibility that President Donald Trump could have to fend off attempts to remove him from office, two people briefed on the discussions tell CNN.”

Impeachment is always on Trump’s mind, and so he relentlessly pursues his strategy of creating a climate of incredulity to ward it off.

Just on Saturday, he tweeted: “Public opinion has turned strongly against the Rigged Witch Hunt and the ‘Special’ Counsel because the public understands that there was no Collusion with Russia (so ridiculous), that the two FBI lovers were a fraud against our Nation & that the only Collusion was with the Dems!”

But that strategy of discrediting the investigation seems to be working almost exclusively among Trump’s base. As CNN reported in May about “a slight negative shift overall” in public approval of Mueller’s handling of the investigation:

“Just about all of that change has come from Republicans, who now give Mueller a 17 percent approval rating, down from 29 percent in March. Among Democrats and independents, approval ratings for Mueller have not changed significantly.”

Trump has done and said many heinous things as president and before, but it is highly unlikely that any would be solid ground for a successful impeachment. However, damning findings from Mueller would create that solid ground.

Yet Trump contends that there’s no there there. If not, why is he acting like there is?

all the more reason to look into blackmail and every financial transaction he or his family have ever had, r74. How compromised is he? Who does he owe?

MSNBC is reporting that Trump has picked Judge Brett Kavanaugh to replace retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy on the Supreme Court.

For us anti-Trumpers this is NOT good news.

Of course he picked Brett. The one who will rule he can’t be indicted. Groundbreaking

and we should go into this treating him as an unindicted coconspirator. He owes Trump this appointment. What else? What does he owe to Russia? What does he owe to the billionaire class that appoints most of our Congress? How can he be independent at all? Don't wimp out, Dems, make this ugly. As ugly as possible.

I heard from somebody online today that there is an interview? in the new Rolling Stone magazine where Nancy Pelosi basically takes "impeachment off the table" again, this time for Trump. Is this true? I don't make it a habit to read RS much anymore.

McCain will not be present to vote, and Collins will not vote for Kavanaugh.

So he can't be indicted and he can't be impeached, what the fuck can be done to Trump? Anything?

This country is going straight down the shitter.

R84, listen to R69. Things can change quickly, for better or worse.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump allowed a false leak to NBC just to fuck with them.

It's really very, very hard to type "Nancy Pelosi Rolling Stone" into Google and not come up with the new interview as the first response in less than a second. Just impossible.

[Quote] This election cannot be about impeachment. I don’t think it’s in the interest of America’s working families to focus on that, unless we have more to go on, which we don’t at this time. You get the power of subpoena, you don’t know where it takes you. I wouldn’t not impeach the president for political reasons. But I wouldn’t impeach him for political reasons, either. That’s just not what it’s supposed to be about. I think it’s not unifying for the country.

This was done in mid-May 2018. Read the whole thing before shrieking, "SEE?! I TOLD YOU!!!! OFF THE TABLE!!!! BLEARGHHHH!!!!!"

Collins will totally vote for Kavanagh unless there is a serious push to make her not vote for Kavanaugh. Get angry Dems, get vicious. Act like you actually give a fuck.

Kavanagh could be the 5th vote to overturn Roe vs Wade, you think Collins wants to be a party to that?

I'm not so sure.

no, but she will lie and pretend that when he mumbles about Stare Decisis he is actually telling the truth, R89. We cannot afford to play this game right now. We need to play a different game.

Kavanaugh is the one the one judge Collins, Cruz, and Sasse have publicly criticized in the past. Interesting turn of events

sadly, they are whores, R91. They will need a LOT of prompting to actually vote against the asshole. Hope Dems have the stomach for that "prompting."

Pelosi said the election cannot be about impeachment. That's a long way from "We will not impeach." A very long way. Right now she is avoiding the trap and the Dems are focusing on healthcare, the despicable immigration tactics of ripping kids away from their parents and losing them, and a women's right to choose. There is also the threat to Medicare and Social Security. Believe me we can win on the issues and we know that Trump is, of course the main issue. We don't even have to say his name.

nobody wins on the issues, R93. People win on anger. Pelosi is making a big mistake. She should be stoking the anger, not pouring molasses over it. Hatred of Trump is the primary issue that will bring people to the polls. Everything should be geared toward that.

R93 is correct.

R94 seems divisive and trying to make "Dems" trip up.

I agree. I've criticized Pelosi openly here (got blowback for it, from the Pro Pelosi troll) - but I think she's playing a careful long game here. She doesn't say it's 'off the table' like it's not ever going to be considered, she's just saying the upcoming midterms should be about key issues, and not the ongoing investigation.

In terms of 'stoking' anger, there's already a ton of anger, that's obvious. She's got proxies like Maxine Waters and others to do that for her and the leadership.

She didn't say that impeachment wouldn't HAPPEN. That remains to be seen after Mueller drops his report - right after the midterms hand control of the House (and the leadership) to the Dems. When that happens - her tone will carefully shift. Watch and see.

r94 hatred of Trump is predicated on the key issues mentioned. You can fan the flames plenty about all those issues. Impeachment is implied all the way - it doesn't need to be stated outright by the Dem leaders.

I think they don't want to lose the large group of swing voters currently sitting on the fence, leaning away from Trump and ready to dump him and go blue. That group is very sensitive to negative campaigning, historically, and likes to hear the issues. If they can capture most of that group, the Dems will win the House and make large needed gains in the Senate as well, positioning for a successful ouster next year.

What Pelosi actually said if anybody cares is that impeachment was not a priority right now, but if the Dems get back the house, and if she becomes leader again, she will make sure that real investigations will be conducted that could lead to some real trouble for Trump and Co. at some point. But here's the catch: she also said that impeachment must be bipartisan and that enough Republicans would have to be onboard with it too. Certainly not the way the Republicans impeached Bill Clinton back in the late 90's. And good luck Nancy, getting ANY of the Republicans in the House to go along with impeaching this criminal president, you know this isn't 1974, right?

I am of course terribly sorry to be "divisive" in Trump's America.

And R97 negative campaigning actually wins. People say they don't like it. They are pretty much always lying. And people are bored silly by issues. they really are. Democrats always win on the "issues" and usually lose on everything else.

[quote]But here's the catch: she also said that impeachment must be bipartisan and that enough Republicans would have to be onboard with it too.

Sure she's saying that now, the Repubs are still in power. Once the Dems take over the House all bets are OFF. They'll pass a vote through in a heartbeat. If they pick up a bunch of Repubs on the way, all the better; but if they have the majority needed among themselves do you think that will stop them?

r99 negative campaigning historically has always turned off swing voters. It's helped recent Republican races of course, with all their nasty mud slinging - look at the 2016 primaries. It's not always been positive in Democratic races, or with moderate fence sitters.

Besides as said there will be plenty of dirt kicking by proxy. It will happen for sure.

because Democrats never actually think about moving the needle, R100. They sit down, read the polls, and say, ooops, can't do shit about shit, better fold. The biggest, and truest, attack on Democrats is that they are frauds, don't care, lie, just say what they say and don't believe in (think Hillary, not to relitigate that endless campaign, but that was part of the problem). What we need is a Democratic Party that looks like it is actually willing to go to the mat for something, ANY FUCKING THING. And don't just do it by proxy, do it bluntly and angrily. Make Mitch McConnell raise a fucking eyebrow. Make Trump whine on twitter. Make all the pundits cry about the incivility of it all. DO FUCKING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE NOTICE! They actually have an opportunity here. Say you actually care about Roe v Wade and refuse to vote for somebody who will overturn it, and they are lying when they say they won't. Get into a big fight with people trying to say, well, they maybe won't. And talk about billionaire control of this entire government! Find a way to make this obvious whore for the rich an OBVIOUS WHORE FOR THE RICH.

Negative campaigning suppresses the vote and does not change anyone's mind. That is a statistically proven fact. And I've worked on a lot of campaigns that confirm that. Ask yourself who benefits from a lower turnout? You can go negative in a certain way if you frame it around issues. For you to say "The Republicans are going to cut Social Security and medicare" is negative, but it also is true. Now if some group like Citizens to protect Social Security runs negative ads against GOP Candidates, then fine. But the Democrat cannot go negative and personal on the Republican.

Midterms are always referendums on the sitting President. Taking impeachment off the rabble focuses the actions back on thus horrible man.

and negative campaigning is actually within a campaign. It is not about attacking a supreme court justice nominated by a criminal. we can worry about the "negative" campaigning later. Right now, attack the criminal appointed by the criminal.

No offense to Nancy, but any strategy she suggests has little weight. She is 78 and will be 80 in 2020. I don’t think she is playing with a full deck and is not even mentoring a successor

This crackpot Brett has already written about “fetal rights.” Democrats need to be unified and oppose him

house dems, don't matter, R105, except emotionally. and yes, I hope they speak out, starting with Maxine Waters. Start calling this asshole out for being an asshole. don't play this stale old stupid game. no respect. and don't meet with him. just ask him if he is the kind asshole that thinks Trump, the Russian agent, should get away with treason.

R22: MSNBC did a nice bio piece on Mueller 2 months or so back.

[quite] An 81 year old retiring. It MUST have been blackmail!

It was timed so that the nomination did not happen after the elections.

boris knows that, R108

What will we do when he gets rid of our marriage rights?

[quote]What was told to Lindsey at those golf outings awhile back?

"Vlad has your texts and SMSs. What's a BBC, Lindsey?"

do something I hope , R110. most of these cunts seem fine with just going along with it. tax cuts, I guess.

r112 I am seriously worried about it. I don't want to leave my country but stay and fight for it but with all the garbage that has happened thus far why not this too?

I don't know that we will win this thing, we probably won't r113. but it actually matters how we fight this. do we just fold and pretend everything is just, you know, kind of okay. then we lose, lose a lot. we need to do more than that.

I am tired of supporting women's rights, women's reproductive rights, women's health care issues when plenty of women DO NOT CARE. I hope it turns into a Mosaic curse of biblical proportions where America's daughters are dying in the streets.

that may be the only good thing here, R115. when they actually do overturn Roe v Wade maybe a few women, especially single women, might actually get off their ass and vote.

[quote]He will be impeached, he will not be convicted by the Senate.

I wish people would understand how horrible this scenario would be for Democrats. Unless we also take the Senate and are able to convict him, we can't impeach him. It will be better for him to be impeached and found not guilty by the Senate than to not be impeached at all. Stop building expectations for this scenario because all it is going to do in the end is dishearten a whole bunch of Democrats who will just throw up their hands and not bother to vote in 2020 because "See, they didn't even impeach him, I give up!" This is not what we need right now.

I don't care about impeachment. I really don't. just having a House that will subpeona, and also treat him like the shitbird he is, is more than enough. fuck imeachment. just one House, and he will fall apart from the lack of "respect." subpeona every fucking document you can, starting with those fucking tax returns. more than enough.

The way things are looking, we will pick up more than a few Senate seats during midterms....look at Kentucky, the Dem challenger is way ahead in the polls over the GOP incumbent......if we can pick up even 3 seats, we control the Senate....I know we need 62 votes to impeach, but with irrefutable evidence it wont be hard to meet the requirement.

once the house committees change, r118, more info will start coming out about this kkkrime kkklan. Bet on it.

And the Rethugs won't be able to do anything but scream, gnash their teeth and stomp their tiny feet.

wanna bet that McCain has a temporary remission so he can travel to DC so he can vote.

I used to say I'd never fight in a war unless my home was threatened.

Our gay and lesbian homes are on the verge of being threatened.

When and how do we start to act?

this November, r122, vote, vote, vote, and get every lazy cunt you know to get out there and vote and not bitch and moan about how it takes fucking effort. after that, well, if we don't win, we are going to have a serious problem.

and just to be clear, I mean eveyr stupid cunt of a queen who "doesn't do politics and can't be bothered and I don't know what are the issues," fuck that noise homos vote and don't be a fucking cunt about it. thanks in advance.

[quote]I know we need 62 votes to impeach, but with irrefutable evidence it wont be hard to meet the requirement.

Say the Dems end up with a two seat majority in the Senate (which would be extraordinarily unlikely), where, exactly, do you expect the other ten votes to come from? Which ten Repug senators do you see flipping to convict someone in their own party? It's not going to happen. This expectation will kill us in 2020.

the impeachment will not happen. it doesn't have to. the actual trauma of a House that doesn't worship him will be enough.

I know that's true, R126. I'll be completely happy with taking the House. Gaining seats in the Senate will be a huge bonus. I just really want to stop this expectation that seems rampant among so many Democrats that impeachment is the be all and end all of this election. More likely than not, he will not be impeached. The Dems who are voting for impeachment in the midterms are going to be disappointed and then they are going to stay home in 2020. We need to stop this trend now.

One thing that's pretty consistent with these Extremist types, especially the "godly" ones, and the guys who suppress women and Gays and are racists, etc. They are usually hiding something ugly. Like Pedophilia, or some other kind of perversion, child porn, WTF ever. it never fails. There is something pervy or scandalous in their background. Bet money. I think they need to go hard on this Kavanaugh guy and also on Kennedy. Kennedy wrote an opinion completely conflict of interest with his kid working for that fucking bank. Kavanaugh was Kennedy's law clerk. They were close enough that Kennedy recommended him for his spot on the court. He's dirty.

Glenn Greenwald believes we're deluded. He told RT so.

Bet he thinks he's a real patriot who truly "gets it" while everyone else is just an idiot.

Burn it all down, man! Infantile libertarian.

Can't Dems talk about impeachment AND the economy? "If you elect us, we're going to do everything we can to get to the bottom of the Russia thing, and if it turns out that there's crime, we're going to move to impeach. Also, we'll fight for working families - health insurance, job security, education accessibility, etc."

Why does it have to be one or the other? Just calibrate the mix for each district: if the district is conservative, talk less about impeachment, etc.

Agreed. The possibility of starting an impeachment investigation, then not having the votes, is dangerous.

Having said that....

I'm still optimistic that Mueller is a realist. He knows that whatever evidence he presents, it has to stink [bold]SO FUCKING BAD[/bold] that the Republicans can't ignore it. Child trafficking, child rape, mob finances, whatever gets the country to the point that it's easier to let President Fuckmuppet go.

R116, you’re an asshole accelerationist just like Sarandon. R115, you’re just an asshole.

R132, you are obviously in the minority.

Need nutloaf?

My applause to you r132. It didn't seen right to me, but I'm a man, unwilling to speak up for women. Thank you.

an asshole accelerationist

Kavanaugh is a douchebag.

I am very excited about the baby trump! I hope the demonstrations against trump in England will be historic and I wish it would scare the shit out of the louse. Will his family go with him? Perfect time to stomp trumps dick in the dirt.

[quote]but I'm a man, unwilling to speak up for women

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Try again r137

[quote]but I'm a man, unwilling to speak up for women

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thanks for the request r138

Oh a blank space at r139.

Can someone relate some fantasies about Trumps death or about his jail time? I think it would sooth my soul.

One of Putin's thugs secretly owns part of an American company. Trump loves it. Move along, nothing to see here.

You know, once the GOP r ides Trump's popularity to the Supreme Court, they can discard him. They will have Pence. But here's the thing. I'm convinced Trump is a Russian asset. I'm further convinced that like a fatal cancer, now that Pun has realized his dreams of owning our Presidency ( and to an unknown extent our Congress,) now that Putin has in effect taken over one of our political parties, he will not let go. Who ever Trump's successor is, he is waiting in the wings. Maybe it's Donnie Jr. Maybe it's someone else. But they're out there. Hell. It could be Sean Hannity. Yes. Just think about this. So we have to deal with this now. We have to really get out there and not just vote, but resist, follow McConnell around his Kentucky stomping grounds. Sit on the front lawn of your Republican members of Congress. Scare the shit out of them. We cannot afford to give up another inch. Think about it. Trump has been President for LESS THAN TWO YEARS. Look what he's already done.

What are the odds that Kavy is not accepted? What will Piggy do? Whine and cry?

R141 Happily...

I fantasize neither about his death or incarceration. My fantasy is to kidnap him and keep him prisoner in my basement. First I would have him stripped naked and film his entire body so the whole world could see how disgusting he looks. How obese he truly is. How small his penis is. This would be the first of many humiliations. Then.... I better stop.

Dirty, dirty, dirty

Make him wear a pink tutu r145

Geoff Bennett ‏

@GeoffRBennett Following Following @GeoffRBenne Source familiar tells NBC that Justice Kennedy had been in negotiations with the Trump team for months over Kennedy’s replacement. Once Kennedy received assurances that it would be Kavanaugh (his former law clerk) Kennedy felt comfortable retiring -

r143. Yep, Putin is DJT's handler. FBI/DOJ know it, responsible media and journalists know it, Trump's own staff know it, and Congress knows it. Absolutely, a number of Republicans in the House and a few in the Senate are compromised. Paul Ryan, Miss Lindsey, and others had Russian oligarch major contributions to their pacs. The NRA took Russian money, then distributed that money for lobbying, ads, and candidate contributions. A number of Congress members may be under blackmail due to undisclosed sexual or financial improprieties. Others latch on to Trump due to party loyalty and assure their re-election chances in solid red districts and states. Of course Putin has an American person-in-waiting to follow Trump. Trump fanatics could embrace a Trump dynasty, with Trump-Putin favoring Junior to follow. While elevating Junior sounds unrealistic, and is not cognitively gifted; he but would be even more vulnerable to manipulation. The functions of U.S. democracy and it's institutions are rapidly deteriorating, so future transfers of power may be facilitated in a more dictatorial circumstance. A third of the U.S. population will want "Trumpism" endlessly. They dismiss the Russia meddling and collusion stories as fake news or don't care how Trump got elected. They listen to Murdoch's Fox News that has persistently worked to undermine any investigation related to Trump. Kushner would be out. His uninspiring personality doesn't connect, and he may be cooperating with Mueller's inquiry.

[quote] Source familiar tells NBC that Justice Kennedy had been in negotiations with the Trump team for months over Kennedy’s replacement. Once Kennedy received assurances that it would be Kavanaugh (his former law clerk) Kennedy felt comfortable retiring -

So NBC news is recycling a plot from Season One episode Nine of the West Wing. How synergistic.

Written By Aaron Sorkin & Patrick Caddell

Story By Aaron Sorkin & Dee Dee Myers

Aired November 24, 1999

[quote] President Bartlet is speaking with Justice Joseph Crouch (played by Mason Adams ), whose retirement has given Bartlet the opportunity to appoint a new Justice. Crouch chides Bartlet, asking if Mendoza had been considered instead of settling on Harrison. "I wanted to retire five years ago. Five years. But I waited for a Democrat. Instead I got you" Crouch says to Bartlet. He wants Bartlet to take "the next few days and give Mendoza the consideration he deserves."

Well, the good news is that since Trump has made no bones about his reliance on Fox News and its various acolytes, and has installed multiple employees of Fox in the administration, and Mueller is investigating propaganda in the 2016 election, Mueller could very well cite Fox as an accomplice and shut them down. I know, wishful thinking....but not outside the realm of possible.

r150......As Oscar Wilde famously stated......Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life

Certainly Fox executives could be under scrutiny for conspiring with Russian agents to undermine an election or a judicial inquiry. It is possible to prosecute a company's executives. It would not be Mueller's call to shut-down a media outlet. However, the FCC operates under certain guidelines and legalities, and if violations are confirmed, they can be sanctioned, fined, or shut-down if such is determined to be excessive and warranted. Of course, political and oversight factors impact how assertive the FCC acts.

More about Guilian's shadiness.

Murdoch / Fox News has way too many powerful supporters for Fox News to be shut down. Fined? Sure, whatever. Fox News will not care. They will stay and keep polluting people's minds.

You know, more people should let their inner SJW out and DEMAND that public places switch their TVs to something other than Right Wing Propaganda Fox News. Limit people's access to Fox News as much as possible. You want to watch Fox News? Watch it in your own home, hell, watch in your closet, asshole! Call Fox News viewers INFERIOR. They buy and love this SUPERIOR vs. INFERIOR bullshit. Shame them into realizing that they are inferior scum by holding on to Fox News.

The NBC lady having manufactured the scandal now backtracks.

NBC Capitol Hill reporter Leigh Ann Caldwell tweeted — then deleted — a claim about Justice Anthony Kennedy and President Donald Trump that got her in some hot water with the right.

Caldwell reported on Twitter that Kennedy and Trump had “been in negotiations for months” for the former’s replacement on the bench to be Brett Kavanaugh, and that once Kennedy had assurance that Kavanaugh was the pick, he felt he could retire.

Jeff B. ✔ @EsotericCD

This doesn't sound right to me at all. A Supreme Court justice essentially picking their successor may not be completely unprecedented (I just don't know) but I've certainly never heard of it. And any such 'deal' is unenforceable after the retirement announcement anyway. 7:48 AM - Jul 10, 2018

And then, about an hour later, Caldwell clarified that she didn’t have much information to confirm her reporting, which was based on one source:

Leigh Ann Caldwell ✔ @LACaldwellDC Replying to @LACaldwellDC

To be clear: This is from one source and dont have any info on whether potus talked to kennedy about a possible replacement. 7:53 AM - Jul 10, 2018

And voila, several hours later, after a taking much criticism you can see below, Caldwell deleted the tweet and issued a correction.

“I’ve deleted this tweet because it incorrectly implies a transactional nature in Kennedy’s replacement,” she wrote. “I am told by a source who was not directly part of the talks that Kennedy provided Pres. Trump/ WH a list of acceptable replacements.”

Charles C. W. Cooke ✔ @charlescwcooke

How it’s done these days: - Present incendiary idea as fact. - Present another incendiary idea as fact. - Add a hard “in other words . . .” conclusion [wait a bit] - Look, it’s one source and we have no information on whether this actually happened, but . . . 8:10 AM - Jul 10, 2018

You make that sound so easy, r155.

r157, that attitude is why guys like Trump, and the GOP, can controle, and fuck with, the masses.

- Why even try?

- When this doesn't show immediate results over night, why bother?

- Oh, I don't want to be the first one.

- People will laugh at me for being silly!

- Me? I am just one little man / woman!

Another one

- Oh, but they (Deplorable bullies) gonna gang up on me and beat me! They are legion!

Flynn wants his sentencing so asshole can pardon him. Treasonitis inflagranto and every congresscreature, GOP sycophant will remain corrosively silent.

Asshole could pardon Flynn now if he wanted to, r160.

r160, another reason to wait, and be patient.

DFo you think that Mueller wants all of his hard work undermined by a wave of a Trump wand.

We need a hero! Can someone please get rid of that immoral orange douche bag and his devil's spawn.

Can those Navy Seal Thai divers come here and rescue us now?

r156, I don't think that's quite the case. There's something to the story. The White House Press Office would've denied it and taken the win if what you posted were true. They haven't denied it, despite multiple opportunities and the initially poor sourcing from NBC.

Why? There could be a couple of reasons.

1. The Trump/Kennedy negotiations happened and they know it did.

2. They don't know whether or not it happened but believe it's plausible and therefore refuse to get caught up in what's potentially another major public deception.

Hey, Jeff B. is wrong. This deal is not "unenforceable " once Kennedy resigned. If Your son is/was the President's loan officer, then the deal is very enforceable.

Nothing in the Constitution says Mueller cannot indict or arrest this ass and they know it. There is also no precedent for the level of crimes this POS has committed while in office and beforehand.

They(the GOP) don't think Mueller will have the guts to indict this president.

I'm inclined to agree with them.

Interesting, but if he indicts in 2020 close to the Republican Convention, you will see a different Trump.

[Quote] But now we know the *truth*—Kennedy's son wasn't just Trump's banker, he actually oversaw Trump getting ONE BILLION in loans at a time American banks wouldn't loan to Trump and his overall net worth may well have been *south* of that one-billion figure.

Has this been posted yet?

R12 = Jane “what money?!?!” Sanders.

R12 also eats old people’s excrement.

DJT is on his way to see his handler after he'll show his ass with NATO.

R150, did you actually see the episode? It doesn't play out anything like Trump and Kennedy planning to hire one of Kennedy's former clerks in exchange for him retiring. Nice try, though.

[quote]Can someone relate some fantasies about Trumps death or about his jail time? I think it would sooth my soul.

I've shared this one before but here ya go...

I picture Marine One taking off and then having to break hard left. Unfortunately, some idiot got in the back and forgot to shut the door tightly. Trump falls out and is anally impaled on the Washington monument. Unfortunately, no one in Marine One noticed, so poor Trump just slowly dies. His body isn't found until they try to turn the lights on and his blubbery, anally-rent body starts to glow sending a sickly orange glow across the Mall.

Senate votes to support NATO ahead of Trump summit

Lawmakers on Tuesday overwhelmingly voted in favor of a motion supporting NATO, as President Trump continues to criticize the alliance ahead of his summit in Europe.

The nonbinding motion, which came as the Senate voted to reconcile its version of the annual defense policy bill with that of the House, expresses the Senate’s support for NATO and calls on negotiators to reaffirm the U.S. commitment to it.

The 97-2 vote in the Senate comes as Trump heads to Brussels. He will also travel to the United Kingdom and meet one-on-one with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki during his trip.

GOP Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and Mike Lee (Utah) voted against the measure.

Democratic Sen. Jack Reed (R.I.) proposed the measure, calling the U.S. support for NATO "ironclad."

r175....as if Trump gives a rats ass what they say. He will do what he wants regardless of the consequences.......and what do you think the Senate will do ? NOTHING.

The Pentagon is not happy.

The leaders at NATO will tell Trump to kiss their ass and they will release the incriminating information they have on him if he withdraws the US :) Putin will be pissed...

Theresa May promises 50% more troops to Afghanistan amid pressure from Trump for Europe to contribute more to its own defence

What can be fine to depoliticize the Supreme Court? The judiciary must be independent.

R179 May can't do anything right can she? In trying to appease and winning by politicking she reminds me of our own beloved Nancy Pelosi. I think it comes down to their lack of core principles.

I think May still has the PM job because no one else wants to deal with the mess of Brexit.

He can't break up NATO just by himself if everybody except him and Putin are against it. Obviously the senate isn't following him along in any stupidity just because Putin squeezes his balls.

Could SC justices appointed by Trump be forced to recuse themselves from any cases involving him or face pressure to resign if Mueller uncovers crimes/influence peddling regarding Deutsche bank and indicts Kennedy?

[quote] The 97-2 vote in the Senate comes as Trump heads to Brussels.

This means nothing when all the Repugs continue to support him blindly. No one in NATO takes them seriously anymore.

[quote] The Pentagon is not happy.

Then let all generals who gave Obama hell do something about it. They got what they wished for, their sloppy uncle has the head seat at the table and just ruined Thanksgiving dinner for everyone.

Putin is so smart that he was able to use trump to destroy the G7 and Nato. Why are so many people so naive that they don't see that Trump is just a traitor, controlled by Putin? Honestly, why are politicians here and around the world not wise enough to see this piece of filth and know that he is trying to destroy Europe and America?

In all honesty someone should take a gun to his head but I would much prefer he go directly to prison...he should stay there until he goes on trial for all his criminal activity.

R185, they know he is. They have even more evidence than we know. the international intelligence community has been involved in helping to build a case against Trump. Once our own FBI-Counter Intelligence Division got involved back in 2016 or even earlier, the international intel community got involved. So Trump has very few, if any secrets from the heads of state from the G7 or NATO mission. He may be too stupid to realize it, but that's like a 3yr old who closes his eyes real tight and then says " You can't see me!" The Senate vote is very important. Because Trump cannot arbitrarily decide all on his own to pull out of NATO. It requires Congressional approval and they're telling him he won't get it.

[quote]They have even more evidence than we know. the international intelligence community has been involved in helping to build a case against Trump.

Then whey don't they release it? Trump has repeatedly debased and humiliated them, he is an existential threat to NATO, he is vile and loathsome to deal with on a personal level ... so why don't they cut him off at the kneecaps by unleashing their intel?

Break the dam. Release the river.

[quote]Trump has repeatedly debased and humiliated them

Example #3,522: President Donald Trump unleashed his most remarkable broadside yet against a European ally on Wednesday, accusing Germany of being “totally controlled by Russia” and of not meeting its obligations to the NATO alliance. “Germany, as far I’m concerned, is captive to Russia,” Trump said.

Trump's verbal attack on Germany came in a breakfast meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg early Wednesday, setting a combative tone for the two-day summit of the alliance in Brussels. The harsh rhetoric suggested that Trump had no intention of patching up relationships bruised by a contentious Group of Seven summit in Canada last month.

Holy Crap

"Germany....is captive to Russia" is Trumpian projection at its finest.

Along with "totally controlled by Russia."

Truth will out, whether the conscious mind intends it or not.

Republican Rick Wilson:

So, the NATO summit is turning out exactly as I predicted.

@realdonaldtrump is playing his role as Putin's dancing orangutan by throwing his feces all over the allies.

Republican Tom Nichols:

I think the real truth behind the Trump- Russia relationship is far worse than we know, maybe worse than we'll ever know. How bad, and in what ways, we might disagree about. But I think the IC, esp, knows bad stuff.

Warner's warning that more filth was known and to come out is why this is so frustrating. A LOT of them will apparently be taken down and are scrambling for cover and to cover up - media, government, entertainment, etc. It's the only reason I can give for the media's continued obsession with airing this fool's PR blitz against Mueller and the investigation.

His NATO trip is going as expected.

Great Trump, piss off Germany even more.

We are now the new Germany; God help us.

Well, we've already got fascists for leaders and concentration camps for undesirables, so ... yeah.

You know, waiting for Mueller is IMO, not necessarily the right game to play. I believe that if these Mid Terms come out the way we hope, Trump has done enough that is impeachable, without knowing a shred of evidence that Mueller has developed. What he did on our borders to those kids, and what he is doing to weaken our national security, and dozens of other actions he's taken, are grounds for impeachment. And if Asshole Brett Kavanaugh is correct, yes, Impeachment hearings will cripple Trump's administration and that's a good thing. Because every single department ought to be under investigation, with hearings and requests for information that keep those agencies so busy, it will be impossible for those agencies to do their job. Fuck them all.

One more thing. Criminal investigations and public hearings can definitely be started for judges too. Just because the courts have avoided the spotlight is no reason to think we can't shine one on them. And their bank records and a host of other things. Judges are not rock stars. They have to adhere to a certain standard of conduct and not get into political stuff. Shady investments and socializing with shady friends, accepting gifts, etc. all forbidden.

Mike Lee is the Jim Jordan of the Senate. Rand Paul votes against anything that is not favoring Russia.

Fuck is Piggy getting senile. Saying how Germany is being controlled by russia. Didn't president pig and his basket of shit hands say how Germany was controlled by Islamists a few months back? I hope he chokes on Putin's cock while being spitroasted by him and Satan!

R201 Tramp is utterly incoherant! Hope NATO leaders rip him a new one!

r198, now all you need to do is get Nancy Pelosi to agree with you about impeachment.

good luck!

r202 they should shun that shit head!

His ignorance is showing. Why doesn't anyone call him out? Does he even care? Quickly someone show him a picture of a naked woman!

If my partner took as half as long as Mueller is then I would be a very satisfied man :)

Except she knew the timing wasn't right, R203, which is why she took it off the table to begin with, R203, and why she is not in the least interested in what you think or say, R203, and will most definitely lead the charge to impeach his ass after November, R203.

She also says she's not doing impeachment unless it's bipartisan with the Republicans r207, did you hear about that r207? What do you think are the chances she will get the Republicans in the House to agree to help impeach the president r207? I don't think they're very good r207.

It’s the Senate where she’ll need the Repugs.

Impeachment is not enough. We must have a conviction.

Oh, that will happen, R208. Don't worry, R208. They'll have to go along with the proof against the traitor, R208, because we don't want a repeat of what happened after Nixon's impeachment, R208, and no worries, R208 we won't need their consent or their participation.

Sure r210, sure.

You have a LOT more faith in Congress than I do.

I have a lot more faith in Democratically controlled Congress now enabling the establishment Repugs to grow some short hairs...

...if and when that happens.

Democratic pushback better start, but I think they're holding off to keep him off balance.

All efforts should be directed to gaining majorities in BOTH houses. House will be great but Senate is crucial. Impeachment only by Dems can have unforeseen consequences of helping Trump win second term. I'd rather the Dems win Senate and start blocking his judicial nominations. Who is to say that another or more of the older Rethug SCITUSes won't make a secret deal with Trump to retire and let him appoint young ultraconservatives who will be there for decades? This is a win the war not the battle moment for Dems. Think wisely and strategically. With a small Senate majority we can't convict on impeachment without the GOP Senators so unless something drastic comes out from Mueller or otherwise, they won't go for it. So concentrate on winning even slight majorities in Congress so we can block Trump and GOP, and then on winning in 2020.

[quote] Criminal investigations and public hearings can definitely be started for judges too.

A shame it wasn't done to Antonin Scalia. That asshole should've been the first.

I agree with Tom Nichols except I think it's just as bad as most of us here already think it is: Donald has been a Russian puppet for decades and he's destroying American on their behalf. What I don't get and will never get is if the intelligence communities of the world know so much bad shit about Trump..... what are they waiting for? Wouldn't it be a great time to start dumping that info into the public sphere? Actually, a great time to do that would have been BEFORE a Presidential election. JFC, why won't someone with the power to do so stop this?

President Pig's favourite slops is borscht which he sups on from the open legs of his tard faced daughter plasti-vanka

I agree with you 216. Start the Trump dump of intel now. How hard could it be? There’s got to be tons more than just the pussy grab.

Bush left office January 20, 2009, at noon. Barack Obama became POTUS. As much as I hated Bush/Cheney, and I wanted to personally kick their asses, and as angry as I was at Pelosi in that moment, I understand, and now agree with her decision not to start hearings and proceedings to prosecute them.

First, we were in a major financial crisis. We were hemorraging jobs daily. Go look up the stats. Housing foreclosures, jobs lost, retirement savings lost (38%) and businesses failing. Even after the first injection of funds from Bush the banks weren't lending. We were staring into the abyss.

I believe Obama and Pelosi discussed it. I believe it was not Pelosi all by herself standing on the mountain top, saying no to prosecuting them. We couldn't afford it at that time. We were in a state of financial emergency and the impact was being felt all over the world.

So what was she supposed to do? Was she supposed to tell Obama, "Well ,Mr President, we are going to tie up the House and the Senate with hearings, and investigations, and all kinds of inquiries, and the Republicans in the Senate and the House whose cooperation you may need will be pissed off and they will not vote to charge anyone with crimes, but hey, let's do it." She did a cost/benefit analysis. It was too costly. She was right.

We could have spent all of Obama's first term looking backwards at what happened when Bush was President. Or we could move forward and save the economy, and get healthcare. As for impeachment, when the Dems took the House back in 2006, they still didn't have the votes they needed to go after Bush/Cheney. So do you take a shot and miss, and alienate votes you could get for other issues in the process or do you move forward?

She put country first. I have no quarrel with that. She's effective. That's why they constantly go after her and try to demonize her.

A lot of what our media has already been reporting has been the result of discreet leaks and intel dumps. Personally I hope that when the Dems take over, they will pass some new laws and regulations to make sure Fox News has some curbs. I wish Bezos and Gates and maybe a few Progressive Billionaires would get together and buy Fox, and then break it up and muzzle Hannity.

[quote] I'd rather the Dems win Senate and start blocking his judicial nominations.

Speaking of which: Trump yesterday signed an executive order that allows him to make political appointments of administrative law judges. Previously, these judges had to complete an exam and undergo a competitive selection process.

This will "turn just about all administrative law judges within the executive branch from somewhat independent civil servants into politically appointed and politically removable bureaucrats who basically will have no one to answer to other than the administration officials who are responsible for their appointment," said Stephen Vladeck, an expert on administrative law at the University of Texas law school.

A German automaker is one of the largest employers in South Carolina.

Miss Linds', as you sashay daily before Fox and CNN cameras expressing your unwavering and passionate adulation for Donald Trump, perhaps keep this point in mind.

r216....and theres a reason for that.....if intel starts coming out, it will allow accomplices cover and sufficient evidence to cover their crimes. Dont think in the short term....this is a long term game.....there are many players in many countries and they all need to go down.

Bless your heart R222, but ah just don't have time to be concerned with those lil' people in that shithole state... I'm here only to service my president Mr Trump and his boss, America's bestest ally ever, Mr Putin.

A lot of what is being examined is classified and could compromise on going Intel operations, so international intel community has to be careful as does our own. Plus it's pretty obvious they need to keep a lot of information away from Trump and other who have demonstrated they cannot be trusted.

Which three senators voted against it?

Is it possible that some of these leaders feel sorry for asshole (trump) because they know he is going to prison? He committed treason, I think he should be hung by his neck until dead and I am serious.

I have to think Kelly and Pompeo also know Trump will be going to prison, what an embarrassment to have to work for Trump!

Fantasy? I picture Trump having to share a drab Russian apartment with Martha for the rest of his life.

McConnell is completely corrupt and hopefully will be going to prison but Miss Graham just supported the wrong guy. When she sides with Trump, I see her going down.

Mueller ain't playin': Paul Manafort is being treated like a "VIP" in prison, with a private bathroom and shower, a personal laptop and phone, and access to a meeting space for his legal team, Special Counsel Robert Mueller told a judge.

Manafort asked for a delay in this trial, citing a lack of access to his lawyers. But visitor logs and recordings of phone calls show that isn’t the case, prosecutors said in a court filing Wednesday.

"Contrary to Manafort’s assertions about his jail conditions, Manafort is in a private unit in which he can review materials and prepare for trial," Mueller’s legal team said. "Manafort remarked in a taped prison call that he is able to visit with his lawyers every day."

Manafort, who was assigned an extra-large cell, also has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys from 8:30 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., and visitor logs from the prison show that each week Manafort has had multiple visits with his legal team, according to Mueller’s filing.

On monitored prison phone calls, Manafort has said he’s being treated as a “VIP," the special counsel said. In the last three weeks, Manafort has had more than 100 phone calls with his attorneys, and another 200 calls with other individuals, according to the filing.

^^A story released last Friday reported that Manafort was in solitary confinement "for his own protection". Is that what they meant??

Group photo at today's NATO Summit. A perfect metaphor for Trumpism.

Lol at at that picture. What are they looking at vs what Trump is seeing?

r232.....they are essentially the same thing, but Manafort has additional privileges not afforded to others.....remember, he is being held pending trial, but he has not been convicted of anything ....yet.

ALSO IMPORTANT : Manafort, per filing, has developed a work around to send email....which he cant do as he has no internet.....he is allowed a laptop to review documents, etc.....he types the email and when his lawyers leave with the laptop, the emails are transmitted once they obtain an internet connection. Mueller has been monitoring everything including phone calls.

[quote]I picture Trump having to share a drab Russian apartment with Martha for the rest of his life.

Why the fuck would you want to do a thing like that to a nice girl like Martha?

[quote] ALSO IMPORTANT : Manafort, per filing, has developed a work around to send email....which he cant do as he has no internet.....he is allowed a laptop to review documents, etc.....he types the email and when his lawyers leave with the laptop, the emails are transmitted once they obtain an internet connection.

How can this be legal? Doesn't his correspondence have to be reviewed by the prison guards?

r237....here is the filing.....pay attention to the notes at the bottom of pages 3 and 4.....

[quote] maybe worse than we'll ever know.

This is what bothers me, that the public "for our own good" will be kept from knowing the full truth after the traitors have been removed.

HAHAHA......the judge just denied Manaforts motion to stay put where hes at....and she trolled him big time when his lawyers said they were worried about his safety...."dont worry, where youre going, they specialize in protecting terrorists, traitors and spies"

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John Kerry...

Judge Ellis can come and sit by me anytime.

[quote]Donald Trump's claim that Germany imports 70 per cent of its gas from Russia at a fiery Nato summit today is correct - and the country will soon receive even more.

That's not what Trump claimed. He said Germany gets 60 to 70% of its energy from Russia. That is false. From the BBC: Germany relies on Russia for most of its imports of natural gas. But gas makes up less than 20% of Germany's energy mix for power production.

Manafort needs to be thankful he is locked-up under very good conditions. He knows much, and there are people domestically and internationally that are not happy about it. Plus, he may owe some dangerous characters a lot of money. He is physically safe for now.

I want nothing short of hanging in a public square for all who have colluded with Russia in any way. All. Then their bodies drug through DC until they disintegrate.

Senate just voted to appoint a Justice Department deputy under Rosenstein, who is part of the Mueller investigation. Alpha Bank. Crooked. Refused to assert he would recuse himself. This is rotten through and through.

Use Ignore-Dar on R241 and you'll see his many pro-Trump posts in this thread.

R245: But his family is on the outside...That is what's keeping him quiet.

r241 Trump would be bankrupt without the hundreds of millions of dollars he has gotten from Russians. Putin owns Trump. Why don't you discuss that, if you can take time off from licking Trump's asshole? He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.

[quote] dont worry, where youre going, they specialize in protecting terrorists, traitors and spies

I love Judge Ellis

VP Pence will hide behind Mother as he watched Pig sent to jail in chains!

Now I'll never be president

R253 But you'll continue the Kushner family tradition... i.e. go to jail.

That confirmation is serious. Pay attention to that.

By the way, Muriel has been burning up these trolls left and right.

They need to be careful. Today’s paid troll is tomorrows pesky witness.

No judges or Justices confirmed until Mueller's Report. If it is found Trump colluded with Russia and obstructed justice, all the judges and justices he has appointed need to be removed immediately.

R256 yup I'm on board with that. You're about the third person in as many days to say so. Is there some plan afoot to push that idea? Maybe the Progressive trolls are finally mobilizing? I like seeing it on my FB feed.

[quote]No judges or Justices confirmed until Mueller's Report.

The Republicans don't need any Democratic votes to confirm appointees.

No, R258, but it's still a message we want to hammer at. No judicial appointments by a president under investigation, ESPECIALLY of judges who could rule on the investigation.

swish, swish...bitch!

R257 I doubt the Left is coordinating those points but, yes, they should and it is something we should all push. It should be all we are saying right now- no Judges or Justices until the Mueller Report. Then we must also say all his appointees should be removed if the report shows crimes and treason. That would be the only deterrent to it happening again.

funny r241....Germany themselves state its only 9%.

r247 I have seen people writing on Twitter this guy is now next in line behind Rosenstein, but I can't confirm that. Does anyone know for sure?

I still can't find that anywhere but Twitter. MSNBC just says he'll be in the line of succession, not at the front of it. Maybe Rachel will cover it more tonight.

I think Trump just wants to unravel all the post-Cold War alliances and arrangements, and build up a corrupt US/Russia oligarchy to bully the rest of the world. He wants to divorce China/Canada/Mexico/EU and marry Russia.

r219, had Obama had the balls to go after the war criminals, he might not have had so much blow back on the ACA and his appointments. He let history, before and after his administrations, walk all over him.

Is Rosenstein investigating the Kavanaugh-Kennedy-Kennedy-Deutchebank-Trump-Kavanaugh wheel of fuckery?

How many cigarettes and bottles of toilet wine will be spent to procure the boy pussy of Jared Kushner you suppose? Will he be a pass around or will he be bedded by one dominant force?

Except r219, that's not when she said it. She said her infamous quote "impeachment is off the table" after the 2006 mid-terms when the Dems took back the House (and I believe the Senate), not after Barack Obama won the 2008 election.

There are a lot of reasons why Pelosi did what she did, but the financial crisis, which was 2 years away at that point, is not one of them.

[quote]How many cigarettes and bottles of toilet wine will be spent to procure the boy pussy of Jared Kushner you suppose? Will he be a pass around or will he be bedded by one dominant force?

In my dreams he becomes Adebisi's prison bitch.

[quote] had Obama had the balls to go after the war criminals, he might not have had so much blow back on the ACA and his appointments

Yes, l’m sure prosecuting Bush and Cheney would have made Congressional Republicans more eager to work with Obama.

If we’re talking about Bizarro World.

Kush will NOT be a pass around (although his little heart desires it). He'll pay off one gnarly, butch, mean, asshole with a deformed, mutant , dick to be his protector and prison Dom.

#319 is up!

Whoops wrong thread ;)

Huffington Post -- The Playmate story has nothing on Trump.

Playmate Who Had Affair With Major GOP Fundraiser Has Never Met Trump, Sources Say

Contrary to speculation about a secret affair with Trump, two sources say Shera Bechard has had no contact with the president.

I'm having a hard time believing that woman would allow Elliott Broidy to touch her no matter how much money he had.

R276

As opposed to the ravishing beauty known as Trump?

Well, I wouldn't admit fucking Trump either. *as if I would ewwwww*

Baffling. DJT is flaunting his submissiveness and affinity to Putin while blasting NATO. And doing such while he is under investigation for conspiracy with Russia to swing an election in his behalf.

The legislative branch passes non-binding resolutions in support of NATO. Can't they put country over party for once, and show real patriotism and rein-in what looks like a troubling "agent" of a hostile foreign government?

R279 You cannot make this shit up. If this was a movie in 2015, it would be derided as insanity.

R279: They will, eventually...

Sam Waterston should play Mueller in the movie.

Wonder who will cry loudest and spill the most. I'm guessing Jared, but maybe Steve Miller. Sometimes it's the most arrogant cunts that scream the loudest.

They all know it... but of course they're not going to do anything about it.

I expect Jared to turn on all of them...

R283 I honestly think Jared has probably already started crying. I bet he went in trying to weasel his way out of everything and lie but shit probably got real and he's throwing them under the bus before he gets thrown. No way he's going to go down like Daddy.

Are we in purgatory?

^Meant to say I'll be the went in thinking he was smarter than everyone else and that he could lie and pull one over.

Did we already talk about how Manafort was sending emails from prison?

Jared will join his daddy, no?

But for treason and working with a hostile country, being hanged or lethal injection should be the remedies.

Question: Let's posit that Trump really does end up going to prison.

As a former president, would he have Secret Service protection inside?

R291, yes.

r291.....he would lose any government resources

r291 That is up to Congress. Ex-presidents used to have lifetime Secret Service protection. Congress reduced it to ten years. An imprisoned Trump would be entitled to Secret Service protection unless Congress passed a law to remove it.

I don't know where you're getting that info R293 but I don't think that's accurate.

They would build a special prison, just for him, with two scoops of ice cream.

seriously, they'd have to, and it's not all that out of the ordinary. Even Canada built special courtrooms for a big trial against the Hells Angels.

Is Putty bringing a couple of pee pee girls with him as gift entertainment for his underling?

If such, he would continue to be under oversight protection by the SS, but they are not going to be standing outside his door as if they are prison guards. The SS would call-in or check-in on him periodically; or intervene if there is any inkling of potential physical harm. The SS would engage prison officials to make sure his food was safe and that he is safe while venturing into the yard for exercise, for example.

The Secret Service would probably transfer personal protection of Trump to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, while handling any matters outside of prison such as securing his properties. But I assume this is uncharted territory not covered by current legislation.

Orange for Orange! I love it!

Make that:

Kavanaugh → Justice A Kennedy → Financier J Kennedy → Deutsche Bank → Trump → Kavanaugh

You know that Mueller has the goods on Deutsche Bank.

Would Rosenstein take legal action before the confirmation?

Rosenstein called on 100 district attorneys to come to DC to help with Kavanaughs confirmation.....for some reason I have a feeling its something more serious.....like maybe they plan on a mass roundup and need all hands on deck for court appearances.

Imagine Piggy in prison crying for Mcdonalds

I love seeing him called Piggy.

AThey're all fucking pig traitors. I've never been one for capital punishment but all of a sudden I understand.

R301 That may not be assigned under Mueller's charge if it doesn't have a direct connection to the Russian investigation and who collaborated. Rosenstein may assign it to another federal jurisdiction for investigation/prosecution. They certainly can share evidence. Republicans in Congress have long been badgering Rosenstein about the scope of Mueller's parameters for investigating.

I don't refer to it by it's name. It's always Piggy or President Pig. He will get no respect for me.

He'll pass a law making it legal to marry one's daughter. Then he will marry a tearful Ivanka while Jared has to jerk off to a beat of a tom tom drum. Before the nuptials can happen however he will be dragged to jail for a very long long time.

Any possibility that the CIA or FBI slipped a microphone pen into Trump's pocket for his meeting with Vlad? I assume Vlad is smart enough to bring a bug scanner. Would actual recordings of Trump committing actual treason be enough for this Repug Congress?

r308 So we can her that blowjob then

r308 hear*

R308 When they are in on it to, ummmm no. That entire party is owned by Russia.

May I imitate you, r306?

I love the name Piggy

BREAKING - Stormy Daniels was just arrested in Ohio

As per Avenatti

The thin end of the wedge just got bigger

More

Arrests are an occupational hazard.

The timing seems really off though. She's been pretty invisible the past few weeks. I wonder what has Piggy and Ghouliani so worried??

Maybe, for some reason, she had to get arrested.

In our proud state of Ohio, we allow only homosexual abuse -- man may grope younger man while future congressman covers it up.

But all this evil and immoral heterosexual man-touching-woman automatically means we detain and shut down the female temptress and all her dark magic voodoo.

Ya know, when you are, perhaps, the person who will be playing a major role in taking down an autocratic and evil would-be dictator, could you, oh, I don't know, maybe stop doing sex acts for a few fucking months?

This is going to allow the media to let Trump off the hook with this. A million new talking points are being typed up as we speak.

r321 So this lets Trump off the hook for having unprotected sex with a porn star/stripper? Surely you can't be serious.

She was arrested because a guy touched her in a [bold]non-sexual[/bold] manner while she was performing. Give me a break, This was a delivery hit to get her in jail.

Ohio needs to be boycotted by all the Blues. What a dump.

I had r321 blocked. Just sayin'.

Me too, R324.

Ooh, I've never had people block me before! I feel so special. You might want to go check out actual posts I've made because unless you're a Trump-lovin', MtT-worshipping, woman-hating idiot, we'd probably have a lot in common. Anyway...

R322, I didn't say it let's Trump off the hook. I said it gives the media an excuse to do so. That's a whole different thing. It just plays into their echo chamber. Just watch. It won't matter what actually happened, all that will be said is that she was arrested and the tall tales will grow from there. I just wish she had gone a bit low profile for a while and let Avenatti be the public face/voice for now.

Maybe Trump will try to defect to Russia when he meets Putin. Does Trump seem to have packed extra luggage for this trip?

[quote] The Secret Service would probably transfer personal protection of Trump to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, while handling any matters outside of prison such as securing his properties.

So the animal killers and sweatshop doyenne will get taxpayer funded protection after their father goes to jail for treason? That's some kind of white man's justice.

Why in the world do politicians, even world leaders let trump beat and bully them into submission. He has nothing but lies and misinformation? Trump is the most ignorant person in the room at all times but namby pamby chicken shits let the thug beat them up...what is the matter with people? I do not understand.

Ohio is full of the most ignorant and bigoted people on earth.

You know, Bob Woodward has Trump's hairstyle, too long in the back with the weird ducktail outflip.

The liar in chief's press conference is so pathetic what a bag of lies.

My head is going to explode, R332.

LIES LIES LIES

How does he believe he'll get away with it?

Maybe Betty Windsor can save the world. Maybe, the tea.....

Just because they don't use his belligerent style is no reason to assume they let him walk all over him. Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, have all stood up to him. But remember. It has been an established practice for decades that the United States has had a leadership role in the world. In most cases this has been reflect in our willingness to shoulder financial and technological burdens. We sort of run the show. It's not about being taken advantage of. It's about being able to have and exercise a degree of control.

And as long as we seem to work cooperatively, and collaborate, our allies are fine with an imperfect arrangement. In many ways, since WW II the countries of Europe have been our clients. To see someone like Trump attempting to smash those relationships to pieces simply at the behest of Putin, raises some very basic questions about stability in Europe. Putin/Russia is dangerous. No one country in Europe has or can afford a standing army, and the advanced technology we possess to be a deterrent to Putin. Yes, they all have a military, but it pales in comparison to ours. Russia for all intents and purposes is a rogue nation.

R313

Columbus, Ohio. Where there is an inquiry about Wrestler-gate? Jim Jordan, know you are attacking the DOJ/FBI due to your love of Trump, but leave alone!

^leave STORMY alone

Trump has shown up 30 minutes late for today's meeting. The press corps is being rushed in because it appears he will be making a statement.

If we survive his presidency, we will be apologizing to the world for decades.

R313

An Ohio strip club law prohibits anyone who isn't a family member to touch a nude or semi-nude dancer.

Doesn't this seem a little ewwww?

You oughta know, r317.

More of an all-caps situation if you ask me,r339.

[quote]How does he believe he'll get away with it?

I dunno.... because he always does?

Anyone watching the Strzok hearing......its good ....a total shitshow and the Dems are owning the GOP right now........Elijah Cummings made his opening remarks while people behind him held up giant posters of all those indicted so far.....once questioning began, the whole thing disintegrated.

Trey Gowdy is a complete and utter cunt.

Is Gowdy allowed to badger a person giving testimony like this over and over again?

Fuck Gowdy.

Please, please let the Democrats at least take the House back this fall so bastards like Trey Gowdy do NOT have so much control in these hearings.

Amen.

Is there a separate thread for Trey Gowdy endlessly screaming and badgering the witness? He claims the witness has no right to consult with an FBI attorney. Based on what?

This is like looking at the Nazi trials of the men who tried to assassinated Hitler. Nothing but screaming and mocking the witness, shouting over him and ignoring all rules of law.

Will Gowdy be taking his tie and shoe strings next? Buying piano wire?

And that Goodlatte, not letting the Democrats make any objections whatsoever.

I CANNOT wait for the Democrats to take back the House.

VOTE PEOPLE VOTE!!!!!

Please, please let the Datalounge at least take the House back this fall...

BRAVO, FBI Agent Strzok-a true American patriot.

Bad hair day for Manafort. I wonder when this asshole is going to wise up and roll over on Trump.

R351, the speculation is that he can't, that he's so buried in this Russian bullshit that it could literally be his life to turn. Nobody knows whether that's true but Manafort and some select Russian baddies but that's the theory.

Yikes, R351. Without the hair, bronzer and power tie it's much easier to notice Manafort's cold, dead eyes.

My gut tells me he's a goner after the trial regardless of what he says or does. Comey's book describes how mob "made men" pledge to not kill each other, but still do. Manafort is too involved and knows too much to be left hanging out there for the next 15 - 20 years.

R352 He's 71 years old. I suspect the threats are to his wife and daughters. That they'll be poisoned the way those people were in England. (Of course, this is making the assumption that Manafort has a conscience and even cares about his family).

Charges in Jim Jordan's Ohio we're quickly dropped against Stormy. Avenatti was probably going after their asses.

Recall Stormy performing in Myrtle Beach, SC not that long ago on her Make America Horny Again" tour. She attracted huge crowds.

Had she not fucked Trump, I could look at her with complete fondness. But Stormy yanking Trump's chain, and he fears responding, is quite delightful.

My favorite part of the Strozk hearing so far is when the Republicans started badgering him about giving up his personal phone and texts and he basically told them to go fuck themselves.

Goodlatte looks like the moronic party hack he is and Gowdy looks about as good as he did during Hillary's Benghazi hearing where she reduced him to a sweating, shivering wreck. The Republicans as a whole look really, really bad right now. Strozk is doing great.

Democrats have now said they will release the transcript of Strozk's House Intel interview by the end of the day unless Republicans can point to the rule saying they can't.

Manafort’s own daughter texted her sister talking about their father being a sociopath and a murderer. She said the family money was blood money.

R346 Gowdy is not running for re-election, but point is noted.

I do hope pictures will surface of Manafort wearing orange while being transfered to his new prison. Fall from grace, asshole.

Neither Goodlatte or Gowdy are running again.

Next up Gohmert, ugh.

Assholes

Gohmert brought up how many times Strzok must have looked into his wife's eyes and lied to her (he cheated on her). Gohmert is an evil, sleazy fuck.

This is hilarious. Crop message written in farmland for Trump to see from his helicopter today.

So will Cadet B. Spurs ask the hotel for a rim seat when he sees Putty privately? Oh, he probably already brought one along on AF 1, and he has Kellyanne carrying it around.

I hope the bone spurs don't hurt him as he snaffs off Putin!

Tr🐷mp

McC🐢nnell

Miss L🍹ndsey

They are all going down folks. Hang in there. All it takes is one solid flip and down comes the house of cards.

Muriel has brought out the troll-zapper. Be warned!

Shout-out to

Bill Cosby (81)

Richard Simmons (70)

Happy Birthday! 🎂

I am beginning to lose hope and there is no way I can look at Republicans with any kind of respect. As far as I can see, many, many republicans need to be thrown into jail for obstruction.

Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer who is under federal investigation, bought a $6.7 million apartment in April in a new Manhattan skyscraper that is being developed by two of Mr. Trump’s longtime friends, according to people familiar with the transaction.

Located at 111 Murray Street in Manhattan’s Tribeca neighborhood, the project is being developed by a partnership of real estate companies Fisher Brothers, Witkoff and New Valley. New Valley is headed by Howard Lorber, a real estate developer and longtime friend of Mr. Trump. Steve Witkoff, the founder of Witkoff, is also a longtime friend of Mr. Trump.

We only need to hold the seats we have in the house and pick up 25 more for real hearings. We can do this. Volunteer, donate, vote.

Also, state elections matter. The more Dem AGs, more lawsuits against the federal government.

More Dems in state leg, state and regional actions/international treaties.

Yes, the Rs will throw huge tantrums

Some speculation from journalist Louise Neufy (Twitter:@ninandtito):

[quote] I *speculate* that Roger Stone was one of Roy Cohn's first, and definitely his most successful recruits. Roger Stone would then go on to be involved with the College Republicans.

The thread is worth reading. More than Wes Goodman and Jim Jordan are mentioned.

As far as I can see , Repugs know they are going down so they are having one obnoxious tantrum after another. Mueller scares them shitless, why? Becauseth they are all, very guilty.

I’m imagining something good for our side might be about to happen with the summoning of 100 Prosecutors by Rosenstein.

My fantasy for the duration of our long national nightmare has been a synchronized mass arrest of all the treasonous quislings by US Marshals, dragging the zip-tied Russian assets into the light of day, and into jail.

NO BAIL!!!

Treason is a capital offense.

As Piggy says, “we’ll see!?”

Gowd🔌 is a fussy bottom.

You know Gowdy is just sitting there thinking Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi all day, every day. and then he has to come up with some shit to ask this accomplished FBI agent, and ... well, we all saw the results.

r375.....I said the same thing upthread.....when he announced he was summoning those attorneys, my mind immediately went to mass arrests. Their excuse is fishy too.....to review Kavanaughs papers for confirmation. Seems way excessive to me.....he hasnt been on the bench any longer than any of the other justices when they were picked.

I wouldn't mind if Stephen Miller took a Goebbels pill.

R292, No. Secret Service agents aren't ALSO going to prison or to be forced to work as prison guards.

Wrong, R380.

A little late but thanks OP for keeping this going and for another awesome title and pic!

R380 cant be bothered to read or do any research.

The queen should behead Pigrump and then invade the united state Castrate the republicans and create a new golden age!

Jared on his knees right now sucking off about 20 Secret Service officers

r385 Trying to get as much as practice in before he heads off to the slammer and then it's just one continuous slam for him after another.

'Breed me Raw'

R387 whenever I see his face I can't get over how much he and Ivanka fucking look alike.

Maybe they had the same surgeon R388

The F.B.I. files about the informant will now be available to all members of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, instead of to just a group of congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight. It is unclear whether Mr. Trump or a lower-level White House official authorized the move.

Jared Kushner lacks security clearance level to review some of the nation’s most sensitive intelligence in White House role

R389 they should demand their money back.

Then again what I'm saying? Those fuckers never pay their bills in the first place.

No, No, No! If Jared is prosecuted, he will not go to prison. I've made arrangements he will serve out his time under house arrest at my place. I promised absolutely no visitors, he will just interact with me for his needs.

Wrong, R393. Lindsey obviously only has eyes for big Russian cock.

Izzat so, r381? Because there's precedent you can point to? What's your logical argument?

r394 Miss Lindsey will want to suck off Melania. I heard she has a whoppper

It's Trey, Mr. Gowdy if ya nasty!

r393 Sorry Ma'am. Once you get fucked by secret service agents and bodyguards, the thought of a pale blue cheesed vein worm can just not compare to hard virile trained at langley cock.

Gowdy is such a fucking oxygen thief. As well he looks something from the Nightmare Before Christmas

R395 as has been pointed out... do some research. It's also already been discussed here.

For R395.

Doesn't Gowdy have other more important things to do? Like trying out new haircuts or gloves?

For r400.

Note that after a blunt "No" to the query about an incarcerated President's losing SS protection, the "Slate" writer then concedes it's "mysterious," that its uncharted territory, and that the Secret Service---the determining entity---refuses to comment on the topic.

"it's uncharted...."

r393 ewww yer old

[quote] R375.....I said the same thing upthread.....when he announced he was summoning those attorneys, my mind immediately went to mass arrests. Their excuse is fishy too.....to review Kavanaughs papers for confirmation. Seems way excessive to me.....he hasn't been on the bench any longer than any of the other justices when they were picked.

So, I have a tad bit of expertise in this area having spent the better part of 10 years (in two Democratic administrations) vetting candidates, including judges. This is all very strange. Rosenstein asked for the names of three prosecutors from each of the 93 U.S. Attorney's offices. You most definitely do NOT need nearly 300 federal prosecutors to review documents for a Supreme Court nominee. That is beyond bizarre. When then Judge Stephen Breyer was going to be nominated, the White House Counsel asked for help from about 5-6 DOJ lawyers who were already handling political vetting. That's about all you need. And you certainly don't need name from across the entire country. For a project like this, if you thought that you needed extra help, you would go to either the U.S. Attorney's office for D.C. or the Eastern District of Virginia, or Rosenstein's old office in Maryland. You wouldn't considering bringing in people from the West Coast.

Plus, the timing of this request is off. You look into a nominee's opinions, speeches, writings, books, etc. BEFORE he or she is nominated, not after. Once the nomination is made it is a bit late. What if you find something controversial? Is Trump going to pull the nomination? "Woops, we should have found this out sooner. Sorry."

Finally, you don't take federal prosecutors (and certainly not that many) off the line to do this sort of work -- and Rosenstein who has been around the Department for the better part of three decades knows that. None of this makes any sense. Something is up.

Gowdy looks like he has someone in well somewhere.

No, R403.

That article says it's "uncharted," not regarding whether they would lose Secret Service protection (the article clearly says they won't, barring an act of Congress). It mentions that it's "uncharted," and the Agency wouldn't speak on HOW it would be carried out. That's what the article says.

Thanks for the insight R406. What's your best guess as to what could be up?

I don't know, R410, but this is definitely not the norm. Had the request come from someone other than Rosenstein, I might have chalked it up to the usual bumbling inefficiency and a lack of experience and expertise as to how the Department works that I've come to expect from Trump's people. But, Rod Rosenstein has been around long enough and involved in DOJ at the highest levels to make a mistake about something like this. I bet that over the next few days we will start to see speculation from others wondering what this is really about.

Even if they only want a small handful of people, why waste everyone's time culling through 279 resumes. The people in the leadership of the Department know who the "stars" are in the offices around the country. They don't need this kind of a cattle-call for a special project like this.

Where's Ghouliani? Holed up with a whore in his NYC love nest?

r411.....not to mention, didnt Mark Warner say recently that the next month or two would be full of surprises......and hasnt there been speculation that things would take off by fall (Sept-ish)......Rosenstein said he wanted them in DC in about 3 weeks, right ?......that would put them in DC mid-August.....just enough time to prep for the coming huge caseload.

where was that posted, r406? The part about Rosenstein requesting prosecutors from all over the country? I vaguely recall he asked for about a dozen more but that information has been so drowned out by the rest of the noise I can't be sure if it's the same story.

And thanks for the insight.

The shit is defo about to hit the fan for Prez Bone Spurs and the Repugs.

The GOP was in complete, embarrassing and utter meltdown today with the FBI agent. It was hysterical to watch.

It's interesting how much the phrase "the walls are starting to close in" is being bandied about by reporters, pundits and Democrats recently. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it makes me a little more hopeful that something is about to go down.

I interned for a Congressman. I have friends in his office still. He goes back to the Clinton years. Things are going to go down and it is going to be fucking epic, very scary and horrifying. Mueller has so much.

R417> Please, please be right.

Mugshot for Manafort is not enough... When will we get a mugshot of Trump?

R418, I don't think what R417 wrote was meant in a good way. R417, please me more specific. Thanks.

Wow, R406 - Thanks for the insight!

R420 Basically, and this was my interpretation from our phone call, was what happens when an animal is cornered? I mean, this runs deep. Many repubs are going to go down. Things will be chaotic. Many leaders who have hands on the levers of our govt will be implicated. How will his base react? How are we going to react when a major party was willing to sell us down the river for power? You see why she thinks things will be scary and horrifying.

From Kyle Griffin's Twitter:

I'm beginning to think that the reason the Republicans are working so hard to discredit the Mueller investigation and to cover up Russian interference is not because they are trying to protect Trump. They couldn't care less about Trump. They could get rid of him today, install Pence and still have everything they want. No, they're trying to undermine Mueller because they're trying to protect themselves and the party. When everything comes out, we're going to see that the treason runs deep in the GOP.

R424 BINGO BINGO BINGO!

R424 DUH! (sorry I couldn't share R425's enthusiasm).

But why is it so obvious to you, to me, and to so many others, yet we've seen few if any actually make that very statement! SO frustrating!!!

(not meaning to disparage you, R424, again - just frustrated by what has been so obvious for so long!)

I get your frustration, R426. But I assume that Democrats and the media can't actually make that claim with some verifiable and confirmed evidence. It's like the elephant in the room, no pun intended. Everyone knows it's there. But no one will say anything. Yet. They're all waiting for Mueller.

^without some verifiable and confirmed evidence

r414......here....

Rachel hinted at a wild week ahead.

R430 She did. My congressional friends don't know exactly what Mueller has (of course) but the general feeling is, it is going down soon and there is real concern about how hard this will hit our govt and citizens.

Where"s Betty Davis when we need her the most

[quote]Where"s Betty Davis when we need her the most

She's keeping out of it. She gets pissed when people don't know how to spell her name.

Ask Kim Carnes!

[quote] Rachel hinted at a wild week ahead.

She has that on loop.

Now we know what time Boris' shift starts.

I follow several tarot readers/psychics on YouTube (Tarot Politics, Dweller Between the Waters, Linda G, and several others). They have all been saying Trump's and the GOP's day of reckoning is coming soon - no later than October, and it will essentially empty out the White House and take down numerous members of Congress.

One thing we do know, once MUELLER does his reveal on Trump, Trump will sing like a bird and Putin will be exposed. Will the people in Russia ever hear the truth or will they care? If Trump offends Putin...that nerve agent will come out for the whole Trump family. A mass extinction.

I hope that is not just wishful thinking by Tarot card readers, r437 and thanks for reporting.

Well pardon me but if the dopes in the house impeach him, the Senate most certainly will convict the lowlife motherfucker.

[quote]I love seeing him called Piggy.

r304, I think he's more Jack.

[quote]Gowdy is not running for re-election, but point is noted.

The point is visible from space

[quote]Gohmert brought up how many times Strzok must have looked into his wife's eyes and lied to her (he cheated on her). Gohmert is an evil, sleazy fuck.

I loved when the old auntie asked Gohmert, "Do you need to take your medication?"

I threw up in the toilet, took a shit, mixed it up and what came out? Gowdy.

"Just rcvd word that my client @StormyDaniels was arrested in Columbus Ohio whole performing the same act she has performed across the nation at nearly a hundred strip clubs."

Whole was a funny typo

Another stable genius.

[quote]My fantasy for the duration of our long national nightmare has been a synchronized mass arrest of all the treasonous quislings by US Marshals, dragging the zip-tied Russian assets into the light of day, and into jail.

Until then, r375:

Serious question, why does T. Gowdy look like an alien? I cant put my finger on it. Almost like he is wearing a rubber mask in one tone and they forgot to add the details. Then some odd white hair thing added as an after thought.

You know, something is coming up where this problem could be solved so easily. Let's say - ALLEGEDLY - Trump's summit with Putin where he's insisting they meet privately with nobody else in the room, (except maybe an interpreter, most likely a Russian interpreter). What if - ALLEGEDLY - someone from the "deep state" was able to slip some type of electronic devise into Trumptard's pants, tell Trump it was a bug for his protection, but it was actually a bomb that was set to detonate when he shook hands with Putin. That could literally save the world. ALLEGEDLY

Well, you know for sure Putin will be wearing a recording device. Not that he really needs one, his memory and intellect is far superior to Cheeto.

What's he going to say anyways. Hey Putin, you know those piss tapes where a Russian hooker is pissing down my throat, can I have thsoe back now? What country would you like? Millennia is really pissed at me, no pun intended.

R437 October Surprise?

Russian operatives working out of the St. Petersberg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) used fake accounts disguised as local U.S. media outlets to exploit Americans' trust in local news.

An NPR report found that accounts linked to the IRA operated at least 48 social media accounts disguised as U.S.-based local media organizations, including @ElPasoTopNews, @MilwaukeeVoice, @CamdenCityNews and @Seattle_Post.

None of the accounts reviewed by NPR, some of which had tens of thousands of followers, had been used so far to spread disinformation, according to the report. The link to the IRA suggests that the accounts were to be used in some future operation.

"The Russians are playing a long game. They've developed a presence on social media. They've created these fictitious persons and fictitious organizations that have built up over a period of time a certain trustworthiness among people that follow them," House Intelligence Committee ranking member Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told the news outlet.

The accounts, one of which was opened as early as May of 2014, were shut down by Twitter after years of posting real news stories. Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told NPR that the accounts represented Russia's ongoing effort to interfere in future U.S. political events and elections.

"This effort is not over," she said. "It continues to this very day, where the Russians are trying to sow the seeds of discontent in our society, take advantage of the polarization that exists."

The Trump administration moved to punish the Kremlin's domestic security bureau last month for its involvement in cyberattacks, sanctioning five Russian entities and three Russian nationals accused of aiding the Federal Security Service.

OK, Susan Collins @ R453 - as a Republican WITH that knowledge - DO something about it!

One of the pundits said after watching GowdY all day, he was glad he was bald.

Gabe Sherman, who wrote THE authoritative book on Roger Ailes and Fox News, The Loudest Voice in the Room, was on NPR talking about Shine, the former Fox executive, former Hannity producer, who is now deputy WH Communications Director. He was discussing the close personal relationship between Trump & Hannity, how they talk every day for at least an hour, and how Trump rarely misses Hannity's show. He has definitely become one of the key players influencing Trump.

Sherman is very credible as a journalist. He was told by someone in the WH that Hannity is pushing Trump to fire Mueller right after he turns in his report. The scenario Gabe Sherman described is that Hannity "suggested" that Mueller is supposed to be preparing his Obstruction Report and it'll come out in the next couple of months. Maybe September. And Trump should fire him after that, and spin it telling us "OK. I've been very patient. I waited for him to do his investigation and complete his report. Now enough is enough. This ends here."

The strategy is to wear down support for Mueller, so that when Trump fires him people will be "relieved." Trump's a damned fool and so is Hannity if they believe Russia Investigation will go away, just fade and get shut down if Trump fires Mueller. So we have guys like Giuliani and Hannity giving Trump advice, which is all PR and Politics, and Mueller who is looking at the Law. I hope Mueller releases stuff before the midterms. If Trump attempts to fire him before the midterms people will be outraged and the incentive to get people to the polls will be greater.

Maybe Rosenstein was directed to reach out to the field offices for more attorneys by Sessions. Maybe Sessions (and Trump) felt like they wanted to get people "untainted" by being part of the Washington DC "deep state" mind set, so Sessions insisted Rosenstein compile a roster of "fresh faces" or something. They may not use all of them, but they may be making a list for future reference.

Gohmert is off his meds.

R405 Lindsey is not a senior citizen yet. Now run along to the "presenting holes" thread to Ewww.

Say it loud, say it clear, Donald Trumps not welcomed here!

"We are massively big, and they are very big."

Truly, a sage for the ages.

No offense, r424, but isn't that obvious? Reports have been out for awhile now that Russia has bankrolled or is still bankrolling a number of top Republicans.

Trump might have dementia, he might be an overall ignorant SOB, but I'll bet he can smell a hunter honing in. Maybe he's going to ask Putin for asylum.

Right now in his Press Conference he mentioned having "a good relationship with Russia and China, that's a good thing."

If everything is about to hit the fan it's weird that Republicans are digging in. Aren't rats supposed to abandon a sinking ship? They can't possibly think they are going to get away with their coup attempt.

Perhaps they know they are part of the sinking crew R463, they are clearly trying to cover for themselves. Is not Trump who they are trying to protect.

Peter S. should have replied to Gohmert, "Perhaps you could ask Mr. Trump how he looked into the eyes of his various wives."

R463, Republicans ARE the sinking ship. Get it now?

[quote] Aren't rats supposed to abandon a sinking ship?

Well, these aren't exactly the brightest bulbs, now are they? Think Devin Nunes. Besides, they believe that their best chance at redemption it to discredit Mueller and the investigation. It won't work, but they are going to go down trying because they have no other options -- other than telling the truth and confessing to what they've done. Those who aren't directly complicit in the treason just go along with the rest of the felons because they are too stupid to think on their own and they prefer to follow whatever script is given to them.

In this press conference going on now in London he refused to take a question from CNN, saying “CNN is fake news.” He took a question from Fox News, saying “Fox News is a real news channel.”

He's on foreign soil, fucking over our media, fucking over previous U.S. presidents, fucking over Germany, the UK, NATO, and meddling in British politics by undermining the Prime Minister who is in a political battle then with his comments about BREXIT and favoring Boris Johnson! He is demonstrably ignorant, and completely unprepared for his meeting with Putin in any way that might advantage the United States. I'm sure they'll talk about the Mueller inestigation. Tell you what. The demonstrations in London and across GB are important. They clearly send a message to the Far Right in Europe, and to Putin that they need to "piss off!" as so many signs indicate.

Does he do that in the U.S.? Refuse to take questions from specific networks? Or does he just never have press conferences? Because doesn’t Sarah Huckabee Sanders normally do the insulting for him?

Somewhere some Deplorable thinks that’s great, never realizing that question isn’t being answered for a reason.

Did anyone tell him Faux is banned in the UK because they’re lying liars who lie? Please tell him.

"Today at 11:45AM ET: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein will hold a press conference for a law enforcement announcement."

r470 Trump hardly ever has press conferences, but he always acts this way when he does. He calls news organizations that tell the truth and criticize him "fake news". And the stupid deplorables love him for it.

Well, that's the typical form the SC investigation takes, r471. What do you think is coming?

R471: Oh boy....I wonder what that's about?

UK protests Trump and he is not belong to them; while Americans sit on their asses tweeting bullshit, eating Chick-fil-la, enraging over some transgender using a restroom, and begging physicians for medications from ads they see on TV.

Thanks to the UK.

^does not; not "is not"

Rosenstein holding 11:45am presser for a “law enforcement announcement”

[quote][R471]: Oh boy....I wonder what that's about?

[quote]—Friday anxiety

Friday THE THIRTEENTH anxiety.

FTFY

Maybe r437's psychics are coming thru sooner rather than later?

WIshful thinking I know.

Ugh. Trying to get Rosenstein announcement info on Twitter, but it is not loading. Is Twitter down?

The Republicans don't have to act like rats and flee the sinking ship. All they have to do is act like they didn't know and Fox News will controle the narrative that Trump played them and the conservatives will be very eager to believe them (what's the alternative? That they abandon the conservatives and become socialist liberals? That's way too far of a leap.).

The neo cons created a toxic enviroment that will survive everything and that includes the aftermath of Trump's fall from grace.

Murdoch owns Fox News and the Sun, UsK's most popular rag. He owns media all over the world. This outfit is literally dismantling democracy all over the western world. Murdoch and Putin are tight.

Until there is a domestic and international intervention with the Murdoch cartel, the propaganda and disruption continues.

^UK's

483^ pardon

“Rosenstein holding 11:45am presser for a “law enforcement announcement”

I sure hope they don’t break in to my Young and Restless again. I really hate when that happens.

I hope Rosenstein is not resigning or firing Mueller! Cautiously optimistic.

I wonder if it could be about Kushner?

6 more minutes...

Also cautiously optimistic. It may not be related to Russia at all, but Friday is the day the grand jury Mueller has been using meets.

Livestream of the DAG's news conference.

WaPo just reported Kushner actually doesn't have sufficient security clearance to review certain sensitive info. So they lied, err, weren't entirely forthright about his security clearance approval.

Whatever this announcement is, no leaks. Press has no clue.

Because Mueller is the real deal.

Reporter on Twitter

I’m very disheartened. I feel like expectations keep getting lower and lower. First, everyone said Trump and his whole family were going to jail. Then it was only impeachment. Then I was informed that impeachment doesn’t mean getting thrown out, which is what I was always taught. Oh, he has to be impeached and then convicted.

Now people are saying he won’t even be impeached. Which means he gets away with everything. And there’s no point to any of this. I’m very depressed.

ON CNN: SOON: NEW INDICTMENt EXPECTED IN MUELLER PROBE

YES!!!!!!!!!!

Evan Perez on CNN says new indictment in Mueller probe to be expected.

OMG - Thank You!!!! NOW, I can watch!

DOJ Live

R494, you're not depressed, you're ignorant. Take a civics class at the local community college and learn how shit works.

THANK YOU r498! both CNN and MSNBC have decided that seeing Rump have tea with some old bitty is more important than this very important news for OUR country!

Hold me David, I'm scared.

let it be Trump Jr. who gets indicted.

Notice the Queen of Shade wearing Dem blue to meet the traitor.

Good grief. Trump is late to visit the Queen. They just played God Save the Queen without Trump. CNN better switch to the indictment press conference.

CNN and MSNBC are showing the Windsor Castle BS. I don't give a fuck about Trump having tea with the Queen. I want more INDICTMENT news. When will the new indictment happen? Who is it??

In all fairness, R499, they probably don't offer a course in American Government at St. Petersburg Community College.

She’s just standing there, waiting. Let the old broad sit down if shit head is late.

A new indictment?! Oh, please be a Trump family member, please be a Trump family member, please!

I wonder if Trump is late for tea because he's getting briefed on who is about to be indicted?

Can you imagine if Trump stood ups the queen ???

Another Trump embarrassment. The Queen should leave. Fuck him.

R508: I was thinking the same thing!

New GOP spin: DOJ timed announcement to disrupt Trump's meeting with Queen! DOJ trying to undermine our alliance with the UK!

Trump just never stops embarrassing us does he?

If his son gets indicted. He won't show his face.

the press was just give a "five or six minute warning" about the press conference about to start.

My guess is it's more likely to be another person we've never heard of.

That tall guy just checked his watch.

The indictment must be fucking MAJOR if Trump is late or ghosting the Queen.

Maybe he's dead

Asshole is arriving finally...

Dear God. Has anyone ever been this late to meet the Quee? Is it purposeful on his part? He wanted the military review and pomp. She should go inside Windsor and say tell him to find me when he gets there.

12 Russian intelligence officers charged with hacking is what I'm hearing a reporter saying in the background.

The lady on the podium said there was an embargo until the conference started. Oh god this must be big.

It will be 12 RU intelligence officers for the DNC hacking.

Listening to the pre-conference chatter on the live feed. Sounds like it's Russian hacker related.

That'll give Trump and Putin lots to talk about in Helsinki.

I would much prefer to see Rob Rosenstein and hear what he is saying.

It better involved Trump Jr. too...

Senator Mark Warner keeps talking about Russian hacking on Twitter. He's very concerned about it.

For those who can't watch, we've got the DOJ feed on. A woman from the DOJ passed out a press release that was embargoed until Rosenstein steps to the podium, but there is some reporter yelling as loudly as he can into his phone and we heard him say it's 12 Russian intelligence officers.

Yeah - I am reading twitter also (turned off MSNBC and CNN until they switch to the important news of the day)!

FUCK!!!!!!! I want Trump family indictments!!!!!

That is the Air Force anthem. Fitting for those American boy who flew out of England in those tin car B-17's. One out of three of them did not come home.

Do you think he’ll Grab Her By the Pussy? Now THAT would be news worthy.

Sorry. Typed too quick. *boys

*tin can

lol..now a guy from the DOJ told the reporters that cameras were picking up their talking so they're going to go ahead and lift the embargo since we all already heard it.

The embargo is lifted. Russian intelligence officials using spearfishing techniques to steal online info from Dems.

Embargo lifted. It's about the DNC hacks by Russians phishing.

12 Russian intelligence offials who hacked the DNC!

Good time Rosenstein. What say you Putin!!!!

More Russians.....sigh

What about some Americans Mueller?

R531: That will be last.

Also: Conspired to hack state voting systems.

Trying to hear from the reporters in the room...

R538: He won't say anything about that to Putin.

ON MSNBC: Justice Dept. Charges 12 Russian Intel Officers With Hacking

Andrea says she believes Mueller timing of this was purposeful. And that our own intelligence people knew nothing about the indictments!

R539, there have been several already, thanks for paying attention. There will be more as Mueller keeps building his case.

Rosenstein speaking

1 Russian military officer included. Trump will still insist he believes Trump.

^Oops, ha, I meant Trump will insist he believes Putin. But that sentences works as well.

I meant more American indictments wise ass at r545, l'm fully aware of the Americans that have already been indicted. Thanks.

WOW....DCLeaks and Guccifer 2........that means Roger Stone is going down SOON.

R539 For example why Russians come first, they are indicting the Russians who created Guccifer 2.0. Before you can charge Roger Stone with conspiring with Guccifer you have to prove they were Russian.

Well, Rod Rosenstein just signed his resignation letter with Mueller not far behind. This is a very significant package of indictments, Russians. How dare Roddy step on Trumpy's visit with the Queen! And just days before he meets privately with Putin. These indictments put our Presidential election fraud right at Putin's door steps. The detail is breathtaking. Mueller has every single detail. Trump will be SO pissed off. Rosenstein and Mueller announced this today for a reason. I think they want it to be out there ahead of Trump's meeting.

Gotcha r551

Exactly 552!

I called CNN and told them that I did not want to see trump, I wanted to see Rosenstein .

When I heard it was "just" about Russian conspiritors (again!) I thought "fuck!". But the timing's really great. The optics of Trump visiting the leader of the country that meddled with the 2016 US elections is almost too perfect. An ASSet having a meeting with his handler.

Am I hearing correctly or did Rod Rosenstein just read Trey Gowdy to filth?

I hope you are wrong r552.

This last part seems strongly directed at Trump and Faux News.

Case transferred to DOJ National Security Division.

Announcement ended with excellent scolding about leaks, speculation and how investigations operate. This was definitely timed to follow Storzk's testimony and precede the private Putin meeting.

RR said he briefed Trump on this a week ago.......and yet he was tweeting about no collusion

YOu gotta believe Mueller has had it up to here with Rudy and Trump and those arrogant bastards in Congress demanding classified information.

Rosenstein is giving a lecture right now. A reprimand to Congress. He said he briefed Trump earlier this week. Trump knew about the indictments.

Rod said Trump was told this was coming.

TRump’s dumping extra hard all over our allies so that he can try to prove to Putin that he’s still his best puppet, regardless of what our true government does.

So how’s the big PUTIN/trump summit gonna go now?

Exactly r564

Could be interesting...

So, that’s the end of it? They only indicted Russians? He seemed like he was just kissing Trump’s ass. I can’t believe this is happening.

Snippet from the indictment: a candidate for Congress asked Guccifer for stolen documents

R566, your comrades already tried that Boris. Do keep up.

I’m so upset right now I can’t see straight.

R564, the same. This is a diplomatic nightmare for normal people, but for Trump it's still just checking in with Daddy.

I don’t understand why you all think this is good??? He just announced they only indicted Russians!! No Trump, no nothing!! Two years of thinking they were going to bring him down and it’s all come to this??? A press conference announcing they only went after Russians??????

Why?????? Why, God, why????

FFS r571.... find your fainting couch. It must be horrible to lack fundamental comprehension skills.

Trump knew about this. Trump does not care about this. If anything, Trump wants Russians to interfere again. Meeting with Putin? Business as usual.

Wow r567, that appears to be proof that there WAS collusion between Russia and at least some Congress wannabes on the GOP side.

The room didn't have enough time to read the indictment and ask the serious questions about:

A. The conspiracy between Russians and Republican candidates for US Congress.

B. The coordination between Russian intelligence officers and conservative news outlets.

r572, learn to recognize a concern troll when you see one

and then learn not to feed them.

Rachel’s not scheduled to be on tonight but she’d better haul her ass in to MSNBC.

What’s to comprehend? I heard it with my own ears!!!

I was raised to believe God was watching over America and He wanted our democracy to prevail. I don’t think I even believe in God anymore.

R571, as we all are - you appear to be thinking this press conference was going to be the end. No where have I seen any indication that we were that close to the end. I am happy with any indictment that helps connect dots and validates all our ongoing concerns.

This is finally starting to feel like the beginning of the end. Mueller seems to have the building blocks he needs to now move into the second phase of flushing out internal corruption.

It seemed like the end to me. I thought they announced indictments at the end.

Am I in the Twilight Zone??? I feel like people here were watching something completely different.

This is excellent. Mueller is establishing a glossary of understanding here. He's establishing the fact that interference happened. He's establishing the fact that it involves Russia, and he's establishing the framework in which it happened. He's moved the conversation from "it didn't happen" to "it happened, and here's how we know."

He's hinted at election software hacking, and the indictments themselves hint at at least GOP member being involved.

r583, I agree, good summary.

These threads always have so many smart, insightful people on them, I love it!

IF anyone was listening, the indictment not unsealed and enforced right now is with two 'unnamed' agencies that coordinated the release of the information gathered by the alleged perps in this round.

MORE is coming, and I'll guess at the agencies: Cambridge Analytica? Wikileaks? Campaign to elect DJT?

Boris at R581, ask Putin to bring in a real lawyer to teach the American Law for Bots class next time.

The brexit crowd in in this up to their necks.

Link to new thread for when this one fills up.

R585, there's also an unnamed candidate for Congress who asked Guccifer for stolen docs. Some spec at the link as to who it could have been.

The larger conspiracy story, in my opinion, may be the one about the conservative news outlet.

Notice it was a right-wing Daily Caller reporter who immediately blew up the story about the candidate for Congress, which directly precedes the mention of the conservative news-Russian intelligence conspiracy.

Full indictment here

Caught that Fox bitches show briefly whereby that lead black woman was talking how Dem congressmen had such a bad day yesterday pounding their fists. Fox wasn't even covering the announced Russian indictments.

What a shock r592!

Isn't that to be expected, R592?

"Organization 1," which released the stolen emails 3 days before the DNC, asked Guccifer 2.0 for help because they were afraid Trump only had a 25% chance of winning against Clinton and needed to exploit Clinton/Sanders conflict (pp. 17-18 of the indictment).

R592, was it Harris Faulkner? Talk about an Uncle Thomasina.

So Rump knew about this for a week?

Is THAT why Ghouliani has been in hiding? I mean, it would seem that if Rump knew about this that Gholiani would be out there in full force trying to do that thing he does... but he's been nowhere in sight?

Link to new thread.

Closing this thread out.

Thread Closed.

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Guilliani just said yesterday that the Russians indicted should let off of their charges.....i shit you not.....

People come and go SO quickly here!

Link to new thread.