Far right congresscreature Jim Jordan covered up the abuse of male athletes when he was an Ohio State wrestling coach

He's hot

r1, I guess you like old, balding Republicans with combovers

Of course he knew!

Wonder if he is getting paid by another country.

But, but, HE'S A CHRISTIAN!!!!!

ALL REPUBLICANS ARE SICK PERVS!

This guy is bonkers- He's on the right of the Right. My guess is that because he too was a college wrestler that he knows about all manner of hanky panky- hell he may be closeted for all I know- and he is just keeping quiet about it like all those before him and after him. College wrestling, swimming and gymnastics is full of this kind of sexual shenanigans. I don't really think it is abuse because if a full grown college wrestler (or any athlete) really does not want someone "touching" him- he will stop it. I was perfectly capable of it when I was a college athlete. I knew of stuff going on (1970s) and I made damn sure no one came near me who I did not want near me. And I'm gay!

Sandusky is in Ohio. Just sayin'

Someone FF R1 for me. I’m all out.

THIS IS ALL A LIBERAL LEFT WING FAKE NEWS MAINSTREAM MEDIA CONSPIRACY TO TAKE DOWN AN HONEST PATRIOT OF THE USA!

Piece of shit turns out to be a piece of shit. Hmm.

Any VHS vids of young, dumb, and full of cum Jim poppin' a boner during meets back in the day?

R1 he's "hot"? You mean his awful voice, horrible teeth, deplorable political views? Whatever floats your boat, pumpkin

R13, I never fail to be utterly astonished at what passes for "hot" among the shut-ins here.

Between him and Denny Hastert....it makes you wonder about the psychology of wrestling coaches

Right wingers are wondering why allegations are being made against someone who is dead. Of course, it's all part of a liberal conspiracy.

more fun thread here!

Sorry, R17, this was the first. The other, a product of a lazy poster, who failed to use the search....and this thread is on the search.

Shit getting real:

Speaker Ryan spokesperson: “These are serious allegations and issues. The university has rightfully initiated a full investigation into the matter. The speaker will await the findings of that inquiry.”

Replying to @NBCNews What is it about Republicans and wrestling? Hastert, Jordan, yikes.

2h It’s their acceptable form of PDA since they claim to hate it yet are actually gay but won’t admit it!

Twitter is up in arms:

Replying to @NBCNews I'd like proof that The Ohio State University has initiated an investigation! I haven't seen anything on their Twitter account or their student newspaper @TheLantern. Where's the press release?

Obviously those strong young men weren't in any danger, but...

If everyone knew, why did he keep his job? Who was protecting this creep, and why?

He needs to resign. Let's get that trending on twitter!

The far right will come out swinging, since this is their hero.

R18

This is of course inexcusable. But at least these victims were young men and not children, like with Sandusky. Here is a young Jordan in his singlet days. He looked dumb then and he looks dumb now.

He does not look healthy at the moment. He’s taken on a green complexion in the last few days and appears to have not slept in weeks.

I began celebrating the 4th of July yesterday, when I went in and handed in my resignation, effective immediately. Too hot to go to work. Maybe I'll start looking for work after Labor Day.

He looks grandfatherly @r20.

He toast.

I wish they had numerous threads about this exact topic.

Oh wait... they do.

Republicans are traitors, rapists and pedophiles. What’s new?

Stop it? Stop it? He looks like he was right in there with it.

If he tearfully and publicly asks for forgiveness from his lord and savior Jesus Christ he can be reelected. GOP voters eat that shit up.

Roy Moore called...

Paul Ryan wouldn't be giving that stern a statement unless he knew it was 1) 100% Real and 2) More shit was about to drop.

Breaking on CNN: Congresman changes his previous statement.

27 min

"Congressman Jordan never saw any abuse, never heard about any abuse, and never had any abuse reported to him during his time as a coach at Ohio State," the first statement said.

An hour later, his office released an updated statement that said: "Congressman Jordan never saw any abuse, never heard about any abuse, and never had any abuse reported to him during his time as a coach at Ohio State. He has not been contacted by investigators about the matter but will assist them in any way they ask, because if what is alleged is true, the victims deserve a full investigation and justice."

Wow the first statement says it all.

LOL, R27. He looks like Johnny Rapid in that picture. I bet he took as many dicks as Rapid when he was in school.

In today’s USA Today:

Rep. Jim Jordan accused of ignoring allegations of sexual abuse while a coach at Ohio State

Good

Jordon fucked with the wrong one. The Ryan comment is a red flag.

*Jordan

This whole bunch of Trump's cronies are rotten to the core, aren't they?

He wouldn't cover up all those years unless he was participating.

How many accusers are there and are any willing to use their real names?

R41 if conservative USA Today is against him, that means he fucked up and is being punished.

Now on Washington Post:

24m

Jordan (R-Ohio) responded after two former Ohio State wrestlers told NBC News on the record that he must have known about abuse allegations against Richard Strauss, a former doctor in Ohio State’s athletics department. Jordan served as assistant wrestling coach at the university from 1987 to 1995.

Jim Jordan is the Joe Paterno of Denny Hasterts.

WaPo digging deep:

“Former Ohio State wrestler Mike DiSabato told NBC News that Jordan is a “liar” for saying he did not know about the alleged abuse.

“He knew,” DiSabato said in a brief phone interview with The Post. “That’s not a question. Why he had a spokesman put out misinformation is frankly beyond comprehension, because is he the target of this? No. It was common knowledge and he knew.”

DiSabato said he was first abused by Strauss at 14 as a high school wrestler. He said he believes Strauss abused 1,000-2,000 young athletes.

“He was Larry Nassar before Larry Nassar,” DiSabato said, referring to the disgraced former sports physician who was sentenced to up to 175 years in prison for sexually abusing girls and young women.”

Jordan should just hang himself.

Love the term "congresscreature", OP

Scott Dworkin @funder BREAKING: The Democratic Coalition is filing a House Ethics complaint today on GOP Rep Jim Jordan, for ignoring sexual assault allegations while he was a coach at Ohio State. #JimJordanResign

This is blowing up

Couldn't happen to a more deserving dumbass trumpkin

it should. Jordan is scum. He fucked with the wrong dude. Let that be a warning to the other motherfuckers who think they can bully the FBI.

Hmmm, do you think the FBI might have looked into his files and found something?

[quote]But former wrestlers say that’s a lie. Dunyasha Yetts, a wrestler on the OSU team in 1993 and 1994, told Siemaszko that he and multiple other wrestlers told Jordan about Strauss’s abuse. “For God’s sake, Strauss’s locker was right next to Jordan’s and Jordan even said he’d kill him if he tried anything with him,” Yetts said.

[quote]DiSabato says that it was common knowledge that Strauss would shower with the players for hours, and adds that he was not alone — after practice, professors and administrators from across the university would show up in shower stalls at the exact same time as the athletes, turning the showers into “the gauntlet of sexual deviancy.”

BREAKING: Jordan exposed for lying in statement responding to allegations

“Rep. Jim Jordan claimed ....he hasn't been contacted by anyone investigating the incidents while he was an assistant coach two decades ago, the Urbana Republican's spokesman said.

However, OSU's lawyer said Jordan was contacted by phone and email requested an interview, but he has never responded.”

BUSTED.

He looks like the whole world is collapsing in on him. He needs to resign and get some rest.

[quote] DiSabato says that it was common knowledge that Strauss would shower with the players for hours, and adds that he was not alone — after practice, professors and administrators from across the university would show up in shower stalls at the exact same time as the athletes, turning the showers into “the gauntlet of sexual deviancy.”

This is pretty ambiguous. Back then, gay men were practically invisible so this type of behavior would have gone unnoticed.

Well, well, well. What have you gotten yourself into Jimbo? Quite the pickle, eh?

R63 I don't care about Jim Jordan but I certainly wouldn't relish any coverage depicting gay men as sexual deviants. Are we supposed to believe there were numerous professors and administrators trying to gang bang young athletes in the shower?

Wait he was a coach? As in trusted with protecting the students?

I thought he was just another athlete.

Not cool.

Rod Rosenstein is having a VERY good day today,

Top story on TheHill.com BREAKING NOW:

Ohio State sex scandal complicates Jordan’s possible Speaker bid

R64, I hear you and I wasn’t thinking about that angle to the story. What I’m hoping is that the TRUTH will come out which is obviously that the team doctor was a child molestor — that should be the story. And that Jordan looked the other way and needs to therefore not be in a public office, case closed.

Also, aren’t the Repugs holding a record for two potential Speakers who were involved in the rapes of wrestling boys lololol???? Fuck them.

If someone is an elected Republican today, just understand they are sick, soulless and evil. Demons. Living demons. They would enact a Purge in a heartbeat.

I mean, did all of you read the Hastert threads when that shit broke? Dark, dark, dark stuff. Some of the men abused by him are still in the shadows, in particular the one who blackmailed Denny to the tune of a few million I believe. These are CREEPY people. Hastert was well known amongst DC trade, a story broke not too long before the abuse allegations that Hastert was hospitalized for I think a skin infection (maybe staph? The infection was something circulating amongst the gays in DC at that time). All while he tried to crush the rights of gay men everywhere. These people are SICKOS.

In his sicko mind he did 'know nothing' because looking the other way gave him wonderful opportunities with all the people he looked away from. Those poor kids, their 'shower times' were being pimped out by this asshole.

Lying Republican scum. Perfectly representative of what lives in Ohio. What's the problem???

Like many, many republicants the man has no lips.

"congresscreature" is my new favorite word, OP

PS....don't fuck with the FBI.

Trash.

Boy, the GOP has really said FUCK YOU to the FBI, CIA and all the intelligence community. Like, wow. I've never seen anything like it. Dump just trashes them and the GOP is silent. Do any of you think they will be taking this laying down or is a heaping dose of reckoning coming?

They have no choice. They have the goods.

VOTE HIS MISERABLE ASS OUT OF OFFICE

HE IS A RIGHT WING PIG

Well lookie who gives him an award

We're talking about 2,500 to 3,000 former athletes abused.

Chances are some of them were underage.

This is gonna get interesting.

Wes Goodman worked for Jim Jordan for a number of years, he was another who made unwanted advances on men. This is no coincidence, these guys all stick together. r64 It's not the gay behavior that is deviant, it's the forcing it on others just like Weinstein did with women that makes these guys deviants.

Jesus

I can’t believe that this conservative man would cover up for a homosexual. What was wrong with him? I assume he is a Christian.

It's worth emphasizing: this man is the head of the Freedom Caucus, the most powerful member of the House after Paul Ryan. Or he was until today.

He will claim he has changed and now accepts Jesus Christ in his heart, just like Trump did.

Evangelicals are stupid enough to believe this shit

Jordan's former aide Wes Goodman also loved to target the college boys, he is accused of molesting an 18-year old.

All this talk about "voting him out"...honestly...the way the districts are drawn in Ohio, as well as the low liberal turn out...is there any reason Ohio is a hot bed of rethuglican menace?

Parents whose children have been abused deny that it happened. Many people don't come forward because they don't want to be thought of as gay themselves. It's a shit show all around.

R83 I doubt the people who supported him would know the difference.

They should, R90. The young men coming forward are working against a lot of bullshit, no doubt, but I really believe people do know the difference between abuse and normal, human sexual behavior, gay or het'. If they don't, here's hoping they get a good dose before this is over.

These hypocrites are sickening.

Lead story on Rachel tonight.

It isn't as though a Democrat will replace him in his particular district. But his replacement will be less powerful--Jordan, after all, was a candidate to replace Ryan as Speaker. Taking him out of contention will disrupt the organization of the Republicans, and reduce the power of the Freedom Caucus.

That caucus is a hotbed if scandal. It’s been one after the other with the affairs and secret recordings and abrupt resignations. The need to clean house. This latest scandal is going drag down the whole sordid lot.

He was an assistant coach not head coach and still a fairly young man. How much power did he really have to stop an abusive situation when it was already occuring for years prior?

R95, there are allegations that a number of young men told him directly that they were being abused. He was obligated to report it to someone in a position of authority.

There is a double standard even today which implies that men cannot be abused, especially when they are masculine. Look at the Terry Crews backlash. This was even more true in the 80's. You don't have to defend the man in order to acknowledge that the situation is a lot more complex.

Asshole

Ryan's final "Fuck you" to the Trumpkins? Take their choice out of the speakership.

^^^This

This fucker with his “I’m too manly to wear a suit coat” is a vile liar. He looks like the type that would obliterate the men’s rooms at the capitol with massive straining shits. This couldn’t happen to a more deserving asshole and he’s gotta go.

Jim Jordan was the Congressman that gave County Clerk Kim Davis a ticket to appear/troll at Obama's last State of the Union Address. Jordan has association with Mat Staver, the head of the so-called Liberty Council, an anti-gay evangelical group the Southern Poverty Law Center deems a hate organization. The Liberty Council represents and guides Davis.

why do these people hate America so much?

Wonder if he participated in any of the abuse.

Speaking of disgusting freeper wrestling coaches......WEHT Denny Hastert?

Looks and behaves like a raging crystal meth addict.

That is crystal meth- opiate country. Why is that? Maybe the conservative folk have to fill their empty souls with something?

He is a real piece of shit and I called him today.

Honestly, I wish someone would hurt him. I know it won't happen but he deserves it.

I don’t believe it’s a deep state smear. Surely they would know Republicans don’t care about paedophilia?

Why do they keep describing him as “powerful”? Because he ignorantly rages through his rotten crystal meth teeth like some insane clown? Nobody takes him seriously. Rothenstein took him down the other day with barely a blink. Not much of a wrestler apparently.

Ouch!

I didn’t know he was a former wrestling coach, but it makes perfect sense. Low-brow to the max.

There was ramping abuse of his own athletes and he was oblivious to it. Come again ?

I'd do him.

R115 He does look good in that picture.

Jim Jordan, Gaetz, Gohmert, DeSantis, Nunes, Meadows, Gowdy, and yikes!

They're the ones who fabricate 'Pizzagate', yet are the ones who live it. Suck on that one, Roseanne, you fat piece of shit.

If he does go down, R93, it sends a message. It’s like a rapture of the entirety of the US government this era of fat donnie.

Who do you love?

Jim appears to be a homosexual.

Are there nude photos?

Where are the Dems that demanded Al Franken resign? This is much worse than a picture of a tittie twisting.

"They're the ones who fabricate 'Pizzagate', yet are the ones who live it"

Between him, Denny Hastert, Roy Moore, and Mark Foley......you are correct, sir!!!!

So he was involved in abusing male athletes and is now a raging anti-gay politician? Figures.

But Benghazi! Hillary's emails!

Oh, wait, what do ya mean that doesn't work anymore? They told me that was gold, like a sneaky crotch grab in a close match.

Nail this motherfucker.

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

These right wingers are SICK to their core. Today's conservatives really are sociopathic. They have dark, demon souls.

I supported Al Franken and think if Jim Jordan were to go down, it would be for anything other than this.

It should be

Dems are the party of understanding and taking the high road, which is why Franken had to go. We do NOT want to act like Republicans . I mean, he did it to WOMEN. So what if this happened to men; they probably deserved it, being as privileged as they are. I know I speak for New York.

Well, we heard from Kirsten. We’ll have to wait until Sunday to get Chuck’s take on things.

"Our Republican friends need to do the right thing concerning the information that has come to light concerning Congressman Jordan. Thank you."

You’re not foolin’ me, R131.

We all know Chuck only says things on Sundays for maximum exposure.

[quote] Dems are the party of understanding and taking the high road, which is why Franken had to go. We do NOT want to act like Republicans .

When did the Dems become the moral purity party? I hated the religious right and I can't stand this puritan bs coming from the liberals either.

R129 was a satirical post, people.

Is satire dead on DL?

It's gotten muddied, r134.

If this involved female students the repukes would be proud of it. However, they are not down with the gay stuff publicly so he may be in hot water.

Trumpy has been silent. Righties are crucifying the accuser, of course.

I hope he goes down for this. He is one very self-righteous arrogant bastard.

I'm not really sure what is so off putting about this guy but I think it's because his hair is the same color as his face.

I don't ask, I just grab 'em by the mussy

Politically I am the opposite of Jim Jordan.

This morning, while on the treadmill, I saw an interview with one of the folks accusing Jordan of ignoring complaints about the doctor. Maybe the guy was having a bad day, but he wasn't convincing.

The fact that this accuser didn't just wait decades to demand Justice, he waited until the doctor who allegedly did the groping was dead. It's curious to say the least. Dead men tell no tales.

That being said, I'd be thrilled if Congressman Jordan loses his seat in November.

Following Denny Hastert's career arc to the letter.

Abuse Apologist at R141.

No, r143, they're just your run of the mill troll.

Ohio...the Florida of the north!

Wrestlers are abuse seekers

I am personally outraged by Congressman Jordan's behavior, and quite disappointed by his lack of action. Why, all those strapping young men and not once did I get a call or an invite to the party. I do love myself a good party.

I’d say more ogling than gangbanging, r64. Talk about a lurid imagination...

Uhh, was an assistant coach getting serviced by a doc? Scenario could fit.

"The fact that this accuser didn't just wait decades to demand Justice, he waited until the doctor who allegedly did the groping was dead. It's curious to say the least. Dead men tell no tales."

Using that logic, Jimmy Savile must be innocent!!!! You sound really dumb, and your attempts at pretending to be a Democrat are not convincing. I know a freeper when I see one.

I wonder if all those calling for Jordan's head are the same ones who claimed that no one in Weinstein's inner circle knew about his crimes. It was pretty much an open secret.

But doesn't wrestling involve a lot of "inappropriate" erect penis grabbing and crotch grinding, anyway?

[150] I'm NOT a Democrat, I'm a progressive -- I'm anti-war, care about the poor and pro-worker. The same can't be said about either major political party...

Wow, you really made me look silly by pulling out the one most obvious example of a guy whose long history of sex crimes was revealed to the public after he died.

Are you aware that you've reached your conclusion before any of the facts or evidence have been presented to the public?

It's normal to get a woodie from another guy in the context of wrestling.

Enjoy it and get it out of your system

I went to Wisconsin in the mid-80s when Jordan was there. A real dick.

WTF is wrong with Wisconsin and Ohio nowadays, FFS? Are they in a race to be the Alabama of the north?

Aren't there enough Canadian transplants in Wisconsin to cancel out the retards up there?

Wisconsin has no sex scandals that have been covered up. Yet, anyway. But there was a former student who just got three years for several sex assault charges. He was suspended and expelled by the university, which usually handles these things well.

The recent TV being thrown from a window by stupid frat boys was off campus. I’m personally going to lobby for stricter controls on frats. I lived on Langdon St. - Greek Row - and I can tell you that Greeks are assholes as a rule.

MSU, on the other hand, has both an asshole governor and the Larry Nassar thing...

Biggest problem with Wisconsin is Scott Walker.

[quote]Are they in a race to be the Alabama of the north?

Lmaaaaao

R156, if you are from New York, you have no room to talk about asshole politicians. New York is still king.

More hot, wrestling talk about Jim. I think I will add him to my list of prospective gentleman callers.

Miss Lindsey, Jordan is too gross, even for you

R159: I'm in Illinois, but I'll take a NY asshole who wants to raise the minimum wage over a Wisconsin asshole that wants to introduce "religious freedom" laws ANY day of the week and TWICE on Sundays.

He was probably standing in a corner jerking off watching them get abused. Hate this fucker.

The Dems who wanted Al Franken to resign were fucking stupid...that was really absurd. I wish Al would run for president.

R162, Hey, how about Rudy, Peter King , and Trump....................... New Yorkers. Change your mind?

[quote]I don't ask, I just grab 'em by the mussy

Somebody at FraternityX must be a DLer. LOL

[quote] He wouldn't cover up all those years unless he was participating.

Or profiting. Accepting hush money bribes from the Good Doctor? Procuring young men who would be least likely to clobber the old guy when he touched them? Maybe not participating but likely complicit.

sometimes karma be workin’ just fine

Where's Senator Kirsten Gilibrand expressing outrage and demanding her colleagues over in the House expell Jordan?

Oh wait, Jordan will not be running for President in the 2020 Democratic primaries. Sorry AL, you got screwed.

"Where's Senator Kirsten Gilibrand expressing outrage and demanding her colleagues over in the House expell Jordan?"

Well, it isn't Jordan himself being accused of abuse....there's a difference.

R161 Funny but true.

Hillary's emails...

Those Benghazi indictments are coming down any day now.

R165: Hey, how about "wants to raise the minimum wage". Learn how to read yet?

R35, that’s exactly what this cunt will do. What else?

One of the things that I detest about temporary living in the South, are the types of white men whom I encountered here. Some white women to.

These are some of the most “Christian “, self-righteous people who I have ever come across. And I’ve ben through most of the US, so I know of which I speak.

These are the types of people who go home and cheat on their spouses, Bear their wives, ignore their kids, but you can bet your bottom dollars that every Sunday, these people are in church, silently confessing their sins to Jesus, only to leave, and start up with their nasty habits all over again.

They are deeply entrenched in a way of life where all of the “good ole boys” look after each other. And it’s all done under the guise of solid, Christian, family values, by their church attendance, and their wives.

The wives are just as complicit.

I’m in a full time job for the summer, and one young lady told me that her baby was very sick, and wouldn’t stop coughing. I told her to take her in ASAP, because it appears she might be experiencing colic. She said she smacked her a few times, and still wouldn’t shut up.

I didn’t know what to do. I actually went to HR, and discussed what this girl said to me. The women there told me that I had no idea what it was like to have a crying baby, and that I’d probably smack mine too, had I become a mother!!!!! Right then, I was just done with the women who said this to me. I will never speak to them again. Who the fuck hits crying babies with colic, or for any reason!’??????

These people are EXTREMELY FUCKED, and they will rally around this asshole no matter what.

Dems, we are in trouble. We need to fight back. I don’t know how. But we have to get these immoral and corrupt criminals out of office.

More...

Nicely done, r144. Hopefully a lot more DL readers picked up on how witty that post was.

In any case, I bow down.

Guess whose side Trump is on:

“I don’t believe them at all," Trump said of the allegations against Jordan. "I believe him. Jim Jordan is one of the most outstanding people I’ve met since I’ve been in Washington. I believe him 100 percent. No question in my mind. I believe Jim Jordan 100 percent. He’s an outstanding man.”

I wonder if the new Communications chief, former Fox News exec and alleged enabler of sexual harassment, had any input on that potus tweet. "Outstanding" and "100 percent" used twice each in one tweet. That's something.

He may have abused 1500 to 2000 college wrestlers? Poppy cock. Where are the pictures, such severe allegations require proof!

I’m with R181!

Number of victims is accurate if Strauss made every lad who came in pull down his pants for a "short-arm inspection", which was apparently his MO.

I made scat movies with Erna!

Back in the 80s, when I was going to OSU, I noticed that the wrestling team used the same public locker room as any student could use. I discovered this quite by accident when, on my way from work (on campus) to home (off campus) I had to 'go' really badly, and knew I could stop in there and use the bathrooms there. I walked into the locker room and was greeted with dozens of hot OSU wrestlers totally naked, horsing around, in the showers and out. I almost fainted. It's still a great memory.

For the next month, every week on that day, at that time, I found myself having to duck into there to go to the bathroom and wash my hands. It was never a disappointment.

Sounds like it was....what's the word.....frolicsome, r185.

Frolicsome, and Extra Scintillating, Too, r185!

Any erections?

Never noticed any such thing, r185. It was always innocent and pure and I heard no rumors. Anyone who says different is a Pelosi-loving, America-hating liar. Plus I'm not as dumb as some people said so. Said, I mean. Say, I mean.

Has anyone seen that Gains jockstrap commercial? Man, that brings back memories

Molest this!

Wow you would think more people would be enraged by Jim Jordan since he is so self righteous. Trump is changing the way people react to unacceptable standards of morality.

R190 Is there a thread on the Gains commercial? I could NOT believe it when I saw a young boy sniffing a jock trap on that commercial! LOL

[quote]Molest this!

Glad-fuckin-ly, R191!

Oh HELL yeah!

r190 and r193, yeah, the jockstrap commercial was shocking. I didn't know Gain was that powerful.

R23 I think yours is the type of old-school backwards thinking, no matter how well-intentioned, that allows rampant sexual abuse to occur. Or at least did in the past.

Doctors for athletes have all sorts of tricks for violating their patients and in that setting, young people May or may not realize at the time that they are being touched in a way that is inappropriate simply because of what the doctor is telling them or that they aren’t completely sure that what the doctor is doing is off-limits.

Once they do come to that conclusion, they could spend a lifetime dealing with the repercussions including drug abuse, suicidal thoughts, etc.

Sexual abuse is not just about strangers pinning you down and forcibly fucking you.

Here r193

You're a queer one, Jimmy Jordan!

JIm--NASTY!

the most classically beautiful Buckeye grappler:

R200, do you know how many times I’ve seen that picture over the years? I wonder if that guy knows he’s a virtual gay icon. And I wonder what his backstory is and what he looks like now.

Tommy Rowlands. Wiki in next post.

Go, Tommy!

Wow. Thanks R202 and R203!!

Well, we only went for sizemeat but he was OK. I guess

He has a twitter account and definitely maintained his good looks.

Wow, four kids. He got strong spermies.

Trump called him a "great guy" so he has the best character witness out there. Close the thread!

Lyin Jim Jordan keeps digging a deeper hole. Now it's ll deep state and the same people that brought you the Steele Dossier

R196 There you go! There's already too much ambiguity here to make a judgment call one way or another. Keep in mind that the situation remains ambiguous even if you analyze the situation from a modern day context. Back then, people would have been even more terrified to come forward with any allegation due to internalized homophobia. Jordan is no hero, but I can see how anyone would have rationalized the behavior of the doctor. How else was he able to get away with it so long? Back then when gays weren't as visible, nudity wasn't thought of as inherently sexual.

[quote] Wow you would think more people would be enraged by Jim Jordan since he is so self righteous. Trump is changing the way people react to unacceptable standards of morality.

It has nothing to with Trump as it does the fact that people are tired of others getting outraged over every damn thing. At some point, people will stop giving a damn.

I hope they take this guy down. And fast.

Wrestlers say the Ohio State wrestling program was "toxic" while Jordan was coach. You guys might be VERY interested in some of the details:

R212 How could we be sure those accounts are not from homophobic assholes? How can you have so many hot athletic guys showering and not have ogling? Furthermore, to here people describe this environment as toxic says more about the people making the account than what actually happened.

Former wrestlers told Politico that “voyeurs would masturbate while watching the wrestlers shower or sit in the sauna, or engage in sexual acts in the areas where the athletes trained.”

^^^^Come on, Ohio Dataloungers must have some stories.

Watch wrestlers in the shower.....yum!

What are we talking here, was the team docs grabbing a quick feel? Or was he going all out with the I need a sperm sample routine?

I just heard, if you came to him with a sprained thumb, he’d tell you to drop your shorts. Et cetera...

R215, I already shared my story at R185!

The guys were NOT shy. They'd hang around the locker room (a public locker room) completely naked. Towel around their neck, leg up on a bench, just chatting away, guys walking around totally naked, lots of horseplay. This was around 1987-88 I believe. I wasn't aware of any other 'gawkers' and I was pretty discrete and never went in there for more than a few minutes (it was intimidating... all those hot guys just naked and playing around and soaped up and … (shudder)).

Never saw a hard-on. Never touched anyone (are you kidding??) Never saw anything sexual. Just guys VERY comfortable with their VERY hot bodies being VERY naked for VERY long times in a public locker room.

You can start the conspiracy theories now. Jordan's nephew, a wrestler for the University of Wisconsin, was killed in a car crash in Illinois Thursday night.

[quote] This is pretty ambiguous. Back then, gay men were practically invisible so this type of behavior would have gone unnoticed.

[quote] R63 I don't care about Jim Jordan but I certainly wouldn't relish any coverage depicting gay men as sexual deviants. Are we supposed to believe there were numerous professors and administrators trying to gang bang young athletes in the shower?

[quote] Parents whose children have been abused deny that it happened. Many people don't come forward because they don't want to be thought of as gay themselves. It's a shit show all around.

[quote] R83 I doubt the people who supported him would know the difference.

[quote] He was an assistant coach not head coach and still a fairly young man. How much power did he really have to stop an abusive situation when it was already occuring for years prior?

[quote] There is a double standard even today which implies that men cannot be abused, especially when they are masculine. Look at the Terry Crews backlash. This was even more true in the 80's. You don't have to defend the man in order to acknowledge that the situation is a lot more complex.

[quote] R115 He does look good in that picture.

[quote] I supported Al Franken and think if Jim Jordan were to go down, it would be for anything other than this.

[quote] When did the Dems become the moral purity party? I hated the religious right and I can't stand this puritan bs coming from the liberals either.

[quote] I wonder if all those calling for Jordan's head are the same ones who claimed that no one in Weinstein's inner circle knew about his crimes. It was pretty much an open secret.

[quote] R196 There you go! There's already too much ambiguity here to make a judgment call one way or another. Keep in mind that the situation remains ambiguous even if you analyze the situation from a modern day context. Back then, people would have been even more terrified to come forward with any allegation due to internalized homophobia. Jordan is no hero, but I can see how anyone would have rationalized the behavior of the doctor. How else was he able to get away with it so long? Back then when gays weren't as visible, nudity wasn't thought of as inherently sexual.

[quote] It has nothing to with Trump as it does the fact that people are tired of others getting outraged over every damn thing. At some point, people will stop giving a damn.

Are you finished yet?

What pisses me off about this whole thing is that this guy entered political life in 1994 in Ohio and went up the ladder to Congress. One has to assume he campaigned for Congress in 2006, as he was sworn in in 2007.

Where the fuck were all these people starting from back then?! Why didn’t a single person come forward and say, “Hey! Wait a minute. This creep is running for Congress? Oh hell no, I’ll get all this information out there to be sure he isn’t elected.”

Yet here we are, 21 years in office, doing all the damage he could do, getting re-elected over and over again, and now they decide to speak out en masse? Where were these 1500-2000 victims then?

Let me make myself clear: He knew of the abuse and he’s a scumbag, but I’m also pissed at the outrage from the students coming 21 years after the fact.

Most people probably can't name their own Congress member, or tell you who is running this year against him or her. And I'm sure many OSU athletes, maybe most, leave Columbus for jobs after graduating. So local politics probably escapes them.

Not to excuse remaining silent while a scumdouche gains power. Just a possible explanation.

R223, I agree with your principle, but we’re not talking about 10, 20 or even 500 people. We’re supposedly talking about thousands of people who are now so traumatized by this event from lo so many years ago, they’re coming out of the woodwork now. I’ve never heard of this guy before now, not being from Ohio and not knowing every member of the House, much less all of Congress. So what made them suddenly jump out of their seats and say, “I know this guy!” It’s not like he suddenly got national exposure for something other than this á la Clinton.

[quote] Yet here we are, 21 years in office, doing all the damage he could do, getting re-elected over and over again, and now they decide to speak out en masse? Where were these 1500-2000 victims then?

Waiting for #metoo to tell their stories in a time where victims are more likely to believed.

My brother worked on the case of a guy who was molested by a Catholic priest. The insane death threats he received made me terrified for years. The victim had to change his name. This was only 12 years ago. I imagine the victims here didn't want the scrutiny and harassment, fuckhead at r223.

R224, it's probably the impetus from the other big college sports abuse stories. All of these investigations had been years in the making. Jordan is just collateral damage in exposing a lengthy pattern of abuse by people who were powerful in a particular school.

R222, did you also yell at the Hastert victims for waiting until after he left office to come forward?

Jordan also incited people by issuing a blank denial that implied all of the accusers were lying.

Not to worry, R156.

Michigan has that title sewed up. Always has. Always will.

Secluded Michigan is one scary place.

Jordan's aggressive and unsubstantiated character attacks on FBI/DOJ personnel have consequences.

At various points along the way as he gained access to classified info by getting committe appointments in the House, JJ the dim surely had to have undergone FBI background checks that would include confidential interviews with any number of people he formerly worked with, and others who knew him back in those days.

Macho men would be afraid that they would be labeled " fag," so they kept it to themselves.

He keeps denying it. That's how I know he knew

Who wouldn't get a boner around my teams, they were so fit and manly. I mean, I never noticed anything, it's all lies.

If he knew it was happening he should acknowledge it. To claim he saw nothing and knew nothing does more injury to the players who were abused. Particularly the one who says he told Jordan about what happened to him. Maybe Jordan was unable to intervene or help but that should be his response today. However, Jordan doesn't want to say that because at best it makes him appear indifferent or powerless, or worse creates the impression that he was somehow involved. It's important for Jordan's image that he be perceived as powerful, principled and in control.

I knew something like this would get traction after his interrogation of AG Rosenstein. It's not deep state, it's karma.

It would be simple for him to say, "You know, I heard those stories, I didn't really take them seriously at the time, I really regret that now."

But no, he has to go on about all the accusers are lying, Hillary's law firm, deep state, etc.

What a creep. He obviously couldn't care less about those victims, then or now.

He could rise to his positions for two possible reasons:

1. People in power knew they could use that against him if he steps out of line and / or is no longer useful to them.

2. People in power are the same creeps helping another creep out and create a whole power network of creeps covering for each other and further their self serving agenda of creepdom.

Heard that this was actually a Republican setup. It figures because I would think that using homophobia to take someone down would be beneath the Democrats.

I'm quite sure it is not dems behind this, r 239. They would love to have this radical dim bulb become the leader of a House minority repub party.

Friday's Politico reports Larkin Hall was a spunk-soaked wankfest of Satyricon proportions! And Coach Jim was right there, in the middle of it all!

LOL!!

[quote][R156], if you are from New York, you have no room to talk about asshole politicians.

Perhaps. But at least I don't live in fucking Wisconsin.

And this.....

All seven of them are lying! I'm the only one telling the truth!!!!

[quote] The former wrestler said he did not talk about the alleged abuse with Jordan directly and was unaware of any formal reports made about it. He said the lawmaker was in the locker room during conversations about the topic.

[quote] “We talked about it all the time in the locker room” with Jordan present, Range told the Post. “Everybody joked about it and talked about it all the time.”

Not surprising that they considered it a joke. That's probably how Jordan took it.

Stop trying to defend him, R246.

Didn’t know Eli Stickley was Jordan’s nephew. I just thought it was a weird coincidence.

R243, Wisconsin’s not so bad. A decent salary goes a long way here.

Jim makes my nipples tingle, my snatch itch, and my clit throb.

[quote] Didn’t know Eli Stickley was Jordan’s nephew. I just thought it was a weird coincidence.

The first thing they teach you when you join the CIA is that there are no coincidences.

When you're poor you're a lying and phony sack of shit

When you're rich you're a member of Congress

Jim Jordan is a big closet case.

Correction: Jim Jordan is an angry closet case.

Has anyone checked the decor of his office?

What r253 and r254 said. Pretty damn clear. Just look at the angry fuck. RAGE!

With all of those hidden camera locker room videos we've all seen float around over the years, I'd bet money that Jim Jordan appears in at least one.

^...the Ruskies may have confiscated the ones with Jimmy in it.

I agree with R253 he pings off the charts.

Ping-a-Rama.

bumps....

Maybe he's telling the truth. I have no trouble believing that Jim Jordan is just so goddamned fucking stupid that he couldn't grasp what was going on all around him, even if it bit him on his aging little wrestler ass. He's also so extremely narcissistic that I would not expect him to notice because he would never care to concern himself with anyone but himself. The man lacks a scintilla of empathy. Why would he care?

He's not that bright and he's very ambitious plus like most of the far right republicans he's on Putins payroll.

[quote]He's also so extremely narcissistic that I would not expect him to notice because

Because me and my team were so beautiful that even all those smart straight guys in the showers would of course get boners around us. They were envyish. Jellish.

R261, I think you're giving him too much credit. I agree that Jordan is incredibly stupid, but multiple guys have said that the abuse and antics were discussed with him, in front of him, etc. Who knows if proof of that will ever see the light of day however.

He knew.

His "family" holds more HS and college wrestling championships in Ohio compared to any other family.

Still, he's no champion at supporting the right policies in the House.

It's probably not ironic that an OSU wrestler wore this t-shirt at a tournament

Strauss was kinda cute! And had BDF.

What a shame.

How many Penn State coaches and administrators got penalized, fired, had their careers ruined, etc. for not speaking-up to authorities due to allegations about Sandusky's behavior?

Ohio State was all-inclusive for BIG 10 sanctions on Penn State pertaining to the Sandusky saga.

Surely Ohio State coaches knew the rumors about Strauss, and some administrators would likely have heard them as well. There could have been student-athletes that complained to University Counselors or Faculty Advisors or Student Affairs officials at the time, and nothing was followed-up. Jordan was a University EMPLOYEE and had a responsibility to act affirmatively in behalf of students under his instruction/guidance/directives. It was an earlier time, but what is deemed right & wrong still applied, and professional responsibility to students under his influence and authority as a coach, was an ingrained expectation.

If Jordan didn't know, he was poorly connected or negligent with the students, or incompetent in conversing with them about their personal concerns about a University medical screening procedures.

Believing Jordan's denial is quite a challenge.

R270 are you really comparing the rape of CHILDREN to potential molestation of an adult athlete by a physician?

They’re night and day!

R271 thinks it's okay to grope someone if they've turned 18

R271 You don't get it. Jordan was irresponsible if he knew. Of course these were young men instead of kids, but it doesn't make the physicians' behavior excusable. And some of these University athletic program physicians serve as medical practitioners for summer camps whereby young kids through high school do attend. Wrestling program camps are popular and most colleges that sponsor the sport have them. Kids are more vulnerable and comparatively may be more severely damaged by sexual assault; but a University being responsible for reporting and dealing with any unwanted sexual contacts by personnel (and students for that matter) are standard policies. Those female students at Baylor who had their sexual assault complaints swept under the rug to protect certain football players, was unacceptable. Baylor was penalized and people were fired, including President Ken Start at the time.

Ken Starr ^ (spelling)

R273 The problem is a formal complaint was never filed. For whatever reason, the athletes who are coming forward now are the same ones who minimized it or joked about it. In this case it does make a difference if the victims were men or children as they were already adults and should have immediately grasped the seriousness of the situation. Strauss could be guilty as sin, but just ask yourself how comfortable you are of gay men being targeted due to locker room talk. Protocol exists for a reason. Either your so blinded by politics or your hate for this particular individual, your unwilling to see things from a different perspective. As someone who has been unfairly targeted for being gay, it's particularly sad for me to see other gay men try to accuse this man of wrongdoing when a formal investigation is still ongoing.

"As someone who has been unfairly targeted for being gay, it's particularly sad for me to see other gay men try to accuse this man of wrongdoing when a formal investigation is still ongoing."

Um, the people targeting you for being gay are far right wing nuts like Jordan. You people had no problem declaring Jerry Sandusky guilty before the trial so why should Jordan be any different?

"Either your so blinded by politics or your hate for this particular individual, your unwilling to see things from a different perspective"

You are so blinded by self-hate that you are willing to defend a gay-bashing freeper who has been accused by like 7 different people. I guess in your mind ALL the guys coming forward are lying, but Jordan is telling the truth.

One of the reasons I never came out earlier in life is because I had to share a locker room with other men and was constantly aware of what was said about other gay men behind their back. To them, all gays were creepers even if all evidence pointed to the contrary. If those men knew I was gay, they wouldn't want to share a locker room with me or have me be a part of their team period.

[quote] You are so blinded by self-hate that you are willing to defend a gay-bashing freeper who has been accused by like 7 different people. I guess in your mind ALL the guys coming forward are lying, but Jordan is telling the truth.

I didn't hate myself. I acted out of self preservation. Fortunately, I did have a decent support system that kept me grounded and made sure I was proud of who I was. My aim is not to defend Jim Jordan, who I honestly knew very little about before this whole story broke, but to reiterate how awful it would be for gay people to be viewed with suspicion just because of their sexuality. And yes, I do notice other men in the locker room, but I'm also careful not to invade their personal space. The doctor sounds guilty as hell but he had every right to personally defend himself during a formal investigation. Unfortunately no one came forward due to personal reasons, which is kind of odd when you consider the amount of alleged victims.

"Unfortunately no one came forward due to personal reasons, which is kind of odd when you consider the amount of alleged victims."

Huh? It is not odd at all for victims to wait years before coming forward, especially with male-on-male abuse due to the "gay" stigma

The reason I compared the two cases is because they are vastly different.

In one, an assistant coach witnessed the raping of a child in the showers. Alleges that he told the football coach (probably a Mandated Reporter, but I’m not sure), who did nothing about it. He and his cabal swept it under the rug and, in addition to Paterno, they got fired. That coach should’ve gone directly to the police himself, so he’s no innocent in this case, but I digress.

Versus this scenario, wherein a deceased physician is NOW being accused of perhaps inappropriately touching adult athletes who subsequently went on to make light of it, joke about it and never made a complaint to the coach.

Let me stress my position again: this congresscreature is guilty as sin and knew something (maybe not specifics, but something) was amiss. I’m not defending him, he’s scum. BUT, to compare the Penn State situation to this is not a fair analogy.

Good grief, Ohio State and Urban Myer can't have everything they want.

R279, that may be true, but I don't think we know that yet. The Paterno matter has now been thoroughly investigated. We know the facts of that one. This is much newer and, as yet, is not well investigated.

However, Jim Jordan would not stick his neck out for anyone, man, woman, child, or student wrestler. Bring him all the complaints that you want and when you're done, the only thing that will interest him is how it affects him. There is no way that Jim Jordan would have ever done anything to stop what was going on.

But why should he? He was the Assistant Coach. There was a Coach above him. And above that coach there were undoubtedly many others, just in the Athletic Department of that huge university. All Jordan was ever in a position to do was to listen sympathetically and tell the students to file a complaint with someone who could do something. Just like Jordan was only thinking about his interests, these students put their wrestling scholarships first and decided to keep their mouths shut. They should never have been put in that position, but it seems clear that none of these supposedly tough guys had the guts to file a complaint with the school or with the police. They are young men in college. They should have been able to figure that out for themselves. Or, at least, spoken to their parents. Keeping it a secret is not going to get the problem solved. Duh.

Jordan is a tool and he has played this abysmally. Ohio State is huge. No one would ever think that a young assistant coach would have any power to do anything substantive to stop something like this. As out in the open as this was, and apparently tolerated, any ambitious employee would run the hell away from it.

It is interesting that Jordan has not tried to fix the blame on a superior. This "I did not know" strategy is absurd.

If he knew and didn't say anything then he is guilty, too.

No responsible, ethical person sits on that kind of information, especially regarding children/students, without passing it up the chain. No excuses after the 1980's, when society and business/institutions got the tools and language to ID and address abuse.

He's protecting something or someone. I'm guessing his political ambitions, and himself.

It may be past political ambitions or reputations and down to his ever-loving dollar signs. I imagine JJ'd be civilly liable for any continued abuses if it's proven they notified him somehow, too.

Your first paragraph says it all. Someone made a comparison to the Penn State debacle and said people at the university should be fired.

Not only are they two completely different sets of circumstances, but, as you noted, this has not been thoroughly investigated.

And the last three replies were extremely well thought out, presented, and with politeness. What the hell is happening to my Datalounge?! Lol.

r284 nonsense. I was the one that mentioned Penn State and Baylor, both differing in characteristics of victims. This is not about value judgments regarding levels or stages of wrongness or premature judgments of guilt. It is about University employees reporting to appropriate sources alleged incidences of sexual assault/misconduct. And I did not say people at the Ohio State University should have been fired. Some have been fired at places where sexual assault was covered-up. That is fact at several Universities. I was addressing responsibility in timely REPORTING.

R285 R270, after having re-read your post again, I honestly have no idea how I got to what I wrote. I can only fall on my sword and say I was wrong.

Your post makes much more sense in the eyes of an alert and awake person.

My humblest apologies.

I agree with R281. I don't understand why people have such a difficult time understanding this situation.

Folks on Twitter are calling him Gym Jordan. I kinda love it.

One of the Utube psychics did a reading on him and said he was involved in this. He was/is a closet case and has a thing for young guys.

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Jim has been surrounded by hot jocks and gay sex all his life it seems. At least he's very supportive of his male friends with same sex attraction.

[quote]He was/is a closet case and has a thing for young guys.

Yeah, I believe that not only did he know, he participated.

I agree with R282.

I don’t blame the victims for not knowing how to properly handle or appropriately respond to the sexual assaults. I blame their molestor 100%.

And any adult who knew of these crimes but did not report is unethical & lacks integrity. He should not be around youth of any kind. Nor is he qualified to be a member of the US Congress.

Up to 11 accusers now.

I have zero sympathy for right-wing anti-gay hypocritical closet-case creeps like this idiot.

Fucking shithead GOP loves this asshole

And Jordan's defense gets more difficult, as the head coach has admitted that he knew about this. And that same head coach has also lied about it, very recently. Hellickson signed this statement put out by the PR firm that is working to defend Jordan:

[quote]“What has been said about Jim Jordan is absolutely wrong. We all worked on the wrestling coaching staff during Jim’s tenure at The Ohio State University. None of us saw or heard of abuse of OSU wrestlers. The well-being of student-athletes was all of our concern. If we had heard of any abuse, we would have spoken up.”

But Hellickson lied in that statement:

[quote]Before Jordan’s involvement in the story broke on July 3rd, one of Jordan’s accusers, Mike DiSabato interviewed Hellickson on videotape. The video has not been publicly released but it’s been shown to multiple news outlets, including CNN and USAToday. On that tape, Hellickson admits to precisely what Jordan is vociferously denying.

[quote]On the tape, Hellickson said that many of the wrestlers were “uncomfortable” with Dr. Strauss’s behavior and that he had confronted Strauss about it. There was Strauss’s lingering in the showers with wrestlers and fondling them during weigh-ins.

[quote]When Strauss told Hellickson that he showered with the wrestlers as well, Hellickson told him: “Yeah. Not for an hour, doc.”

[quote]Hellickson also told Strauss he was “much too hands on” with the wrestlers. In response, Strauss told him he was just being “thorough.” (In a discussion of the tape Wednesday morning on CNN, a CNN journalist who has watched the tape said the being “hands on” was during weigh-ins.) Critically, Hellickson said he’d communicated his concerns about the shower situation to University administrators. “Certainly, all of my administrators recognized that it was an issue for meI’m sure that I talked to all of them on numerous occasions about my discontent with the environment.”

So despite Hellickson's denials, about both himself and Jordan, he is condemned by his own words, admitting that he confronted the doctor and that he had talked with University administrators. So he most certainly knew.

Jim Jordan now has a huge PR conservative firm trying to change the narrative; getting former wrestlers to come out and support him and discredit the allegations against him etc. I hope people don't believe the 'spin' but at this point there's no logic in why people think the way they do. Kinda frightening.

I hope the .lowlife fucker will have to step down, that would give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Now freepers are whining about the "deep state" - they're basically saying ANYTHING to defend Jordan now

and of course...

and of course....

So people who didn't even know Jordan during his OSU days are denying he did anything, and the people who DID know Jordan and what he was doing are not to be believed? These republicans are spineless.

He won't step down and will probably be selected speaker. Republicans have no shame.

R289 Of course that settles it.

Politicians are spineless liars. Many knew of Hastert and Foley and sat on the information. Not surprising to find Jordan did the same.

R294 Except you have no reason to suspect he's gay. Would it change things if he were straight and the idea of gay sex made him uncomfortable?

R296 So Hellickson knew and dealt with the situation appropriately at the time. Where does it say that Jordan knew? It seems that the extent of the allegations were that Strauss made some of the athletes "uncomfortable" but is that, by itself, enough to open a formal investigation? I would say it warranted a discussion with the doctor who denied any and all wrongdoing. These were adults, and in my estimation, they had an obligation to file a formal complaint if it meant that others were at risk of being raped.

“condemned by his own words”

Called it.

[quote] Unlike the Olympians who were minor children at the time they were abused, these former wrestlers were adults at the time they claim they were sexually abused by the Ohio State team doctor. Note that they do not claim they reported specific abuse to Jim Jordan or to anyone else. To the contrary, they specifically state they did not tell Jordan but instead say he should have known because there was talk around the locker room.

He's right here.

So much for Dem moral superiority, eh Gillibrand? P.S. What sort of troglodytic district elected Jordan?

[quote]R296 So Hellickson knew and dealt with the situation appropriately at the time.

He knew and he did not, in fact, deal with the situation appropriately at the time, considering that the abuser was allowed to continue to abuse. It also demonstrates that Hellickson lied.

[quote]Where does it say that Jordan knew?

It doesn't, nor did I claim that it did. It does, however, demonstrate that Hellickson lied and it adds credence to what the wrestlers are saying: that everyone, including Jordan, knew.

[quote]It seems that the extent of the allegations were that Strauss made some of the athletes "uncomfortable"

Clearly, you haven't read what the wrestlers are saying. Come back when you have so that you don't embarrass yourself quite so badly.

[quote]Unlike the Olympians who were minor children at the time they were abused, these former wrestlers were adults at the time they claim they were sexually abused by the Ohio State team doctor.

The doctor is also accused of abusing boys as young as 14.

[quote]Note that they do not claim they reported specific abuse to Jim Jordan or to anyone else.

Um, yes, they did. Have you really not read any of the reports?

R311 Ive read this entire thread and have no evidence to support this. I'm still waiting to hear about a formal complaint that alleges specific abuse, not light hearted conversations of the doctor being a creeper.

[quote] The doctor is also accused of abusing boys as young as 14.

That's awful but I've already assumed the doctor is irredeemable. It's apparent that this or these incidents of minor abuse didn't occur on a college campus, and Jordan nor anyone else would have been aware of it.

Again, I'm not defending Jordan here and definitely not defending the doctor. I'm defending the principle. If someone were to target me at work, for example, for making them feel uncomfortable, I'd expect to have the ability to defend myself against these types of allegations. The fact that you can't see the larger picture here is quite concerning.

[quote]not light hearted conversations of the doctor being a creeper.

Clearly, you haven't read anything about this case or what the affected wrestlers have said. And yes, you most definitely are "defending Jordan," since you're doing your damnedest to excuse him, overlooking the evidence and the eyewitness reports, trying to minimize or even deny what people have said. The fact that you can't see the larger picture here is quite concerning.

And then we can add in Jordan's changing story. First, he denied knowing anything at all. Then he admitted that he had heard about it but it was just "locker room talk," so he didn't choose to take action (despite being required to do so by virtue of the position he held). The latest seems to be that he shouldn't be held to the standards of today (as thought it was somehow okay to not report and take action against a serial abuser 20 years ago?).

Jim Jordan would stare at my blue spot when I showered

over 100 students have come forward. Yup, he'll leave before election. An easy pick for Democrats.

Ops, forgot the link

Did this congressmanonman skate?

Hard to believe all this was going on around him and he didn't participate. He'd have to be A-OK with his colleague's same sex attraction (not to mention being OK with unwanted sexual abuse of students) despite his arch-conservative Christian political leanings. Seems a churchy type like him would have been offended and reported it.

I guess he doesn't think this scandal has any legs. We shall see.

During the Trump years he may be right, R320. We're somewhat numb to indignation by now.

This guy is such a loser. He has the IQ of an ant.

He needs to stick to JV.

Hillbilly trash he does not even know how to tie a tie but he’s supposedly a leader?

A leader of what?

Someone upthread already mentioned it but guys like this get helped into politics because they are already compromised. They can be relied upon to vote where they’re needed due to the fear their skeletons will come out.

He does come off as dumb as a box of rocks. But to be fair, it's not like state politics lacks for that type.

My guess is he quietly steps aside from positioning for leadership, and looks for a golden parachute into some consulting gig if he loses his seat.

The guy has balls though, trying to impeach Rosenstein and today announcing he wants to be House Speaker

Sometimes dumb people appear brave. You have to keep watching.

Trash.

r326 it’s double and triple down time! It’s all the rage in politics these days. Everyone’s doing it, they follow the lead of the fat orange traitor.

Why hasn't he hanged himself yet?

Does this perv have no self-respect?

Did he wear a jockstrap in the locker room?

The Red Folder:

A comedy where Green Acres meets Mr. Smith goes to Washington. A rogue representive carries around a red folder with mysterious contents while fumbling all over himself and his clumsy cohorts. Hilarity ensues. Starring Leslie Nelson as Mark Meadows.

Coming to a campaign stop near you!

Serious question: is "Assistant Wrestling Coach" even a real job, let alone one that anyone would stay in for years? It's not like wrestling is the OSU Football program or something. How much could that job even pay?

It sounds like a certain Gymboy didn't want to grow up and really liked the singlets and, well, groping and squeezing.

People like that can’t cut it in real jobs. They just don’t have what it takes.

What is with pervy wrestling coaches and the job of Speaker of the House?!!!

He's part of the Freedom Caucus. They have enough members to fuck up the voting for Speaker after Ryan retires. They don't have enough votes to make this toad the Speaker, but they are plentiful enough to make demands that will carry some weight. He's positioning himself for all of that now. He's just awful. But unlikely to go away.

Guys are saying they were told to lie to defend Jordan

Republicans on:

abortion: WAAAAH THE CHILDREN

lgbt+ rights: WAAAAH THE CHILDREN

bathroom rights for trans people: WAAAAH THE CHILDREN

mass shootings in schools:¯_(ツ)_/¯

molestation in the church:¯_(ツ)_/¯

immigrant children traumatized by ICE:¯_(ツ)_/¯

police brutality:¯_(ツ)_/¯

rampant child poverty:¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quote]The memories that Mr. Nutter for so long had tried to bury came surging back, he said: how when he was in college, his team doctor groped him “19 exams out of 20”; how the doctor once called him to his house for an emergency treatment of a poison ivy rash, carefully laid down and smoothed out a white linen sheet on his bed, then repeatedly groped his genitals when he was supposed to be treating the rash — and how for two decades, the burly no-holds-barred fighting veteran had said nothing.

[quote]In some sense, what separates Ohio State’s abuse scandal from others are the victims: young adult men, and many of them muscular wrestlers, left to grapple with pain and anguish they believed they were not entitled to. Having built their identities around traditional notions of toughness and stoicism, many are struggling with a new identity — #MeToo, or in their case, #UsToo.

[quote]Mr. Rodriguez recalled watching the news with his 13-year-old daughter last fall when the TV program did a segment on Harvey Weinstein’s sexual misconduct and the broader moment of reckoning it had spawned. “Oh my God — I have one of those,” Mr. Rodriguez told his daughter. “I have a ‘hashtag MeToo.’”

[quote]David Mulvin, the captain of the wrestling team in 1978, remembered opening up a local paper and reading that other men had come forward to name Dr. Strauss as their abuser. “My jaw dropped,” he recalled. “I said, ‘So I didn’t do anything wrong.’”

[quote]Like Mr. Mulvin, some victims harbored shame and guilt for “leading on” Dr. Strauss, who killed himself in 2005, with the obvious physical response to abuse that female victims could not display, Mr. Nutter explained. “People felt guilty,” he said of teammates he has spoken to. “I guess they feel like an erection is an agreement. It’s saying, ‘This is something I like.’”

Behind a paywall for most (sorry). It's really difficult for these men to come forward. The shame is different for male victims. For a man to admit that he got an erection from another man, if you're straight, is very difficult.

Jim Jordan is evil

What will happen to this creepy bastard?

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R340, that kinda goes without saying... he's a Republican after all.

Jordan is as bad as it gets. Other real troubling ones are DeSantis, Gaetz, Nunes, Meadows, Gohmert, and about a dozen other Congressmen.

He worked at the same college, that proves he knew who was having sex with who!! Or is it whom? These althletes may have been men in college, but that doesn't mean they weren't children that need to be protected. Sex should begin at 24, or else prison.

That's cute, r345. Who said anything about "having sex?"

Be careful what you wish for. It's apparent that the right don't care about this scandal but if the left were to succeed in ousting Jordan, you better believe right wingers will go after Hollywood types in the wake of metoo. They already succeeded in retaliating for Roseanne.

r345, this was about groping guys without their consent, not consensual sex

The beauty of it is that the dimwits consented. They should have known better. They didn't seem to likeit. The doctor was scum.

But these college men let him have at their junk. Repeatedly.

Oh, for chrissakes, read some accounts form the victims, r349. You sound like a victim-blaming asshole, probably a Repug who supports Jordan.

Okay, R350... direct us to the accounts where the young men told the doctor not to touch them and he went ahead and did it anyway.

Oh fucking lovely. The NAMBLA trolls have arrived.

[quote]A leader of what?

He molds young men into champions. By which I mean he fingers their plump, dewey, tender young buttholes until they cum.

"Okay, R350... direct us to the accounts where the young men told the doctor not to touch them and he went ahead and did it anyway."

He was a doctor.....why was he groping them in the first place?

NAMBLA? You crazy mutherfucker. These were all adults. College students. Many so purportedly gifted they were on scholarships. Not children.

And they were wrestlers. They were fit enough and strong enough and skilled enough to fight off any middle aged doctor whose advances they chose not to accept.

r355, the doctor's weapon was POWER, not physical strength

R356 If the doctor was so powerful, then why go after Jordan?

What the fuck are you talking about? They're going after Jordan because he covered it up. Republican trolls are tiresome.

R358 No, he didn't "cover it up". It sounds like he hated the doctor based on the player's own testimony. He didn't want to come forward for the same reasons none of the wrestlers did. The doctor was in a position of power. I think no one came forward because they didn't want to be thought of as gay and didn't want to risk being publicly shamed. Had multiple people come forward (at the time, not 30 years later) then something could have been done about it. However, that's not what happened.

r359 = Republican shill. Jordan has claimed he knew nothing, and is lying. He did know.

HE WAS THE COACH. AS IN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STUDENTS.

That's fine if you want to stick with principle. But if you're not one of those people calling to oust people like Quentin Tarantino out of Hollywood, then you are a hypocrite. I just think it's a slippery slope if we go after people who should have known better, but who themselves may have been intimidated by people in positions of power.

R361 Jordan was the assistant coach. The head coach was already aware of it and did nothing.

r362, Tarantino wasn't accused of sexual abuse by dozens of people

R364 No, but he was aware of Weinstein's crimes from the beginning.

Those who worship Trump, worship Jordan.

Those who try to inject politics into this debate are just muddying the issue. I had no idea who Jordan even was before I heard of this story. The last thing we need right now are politically motivated attacks coming from the right or left.

"No, but he was aware of Weinstein's crimes from the beginning."

Says who? I seriously doubt DOZENS of people have said he knew.

"The last thing we need right now are politically motivated attacks coming from the right or left."

The right-wingers attacking Jordan's accusers are the ones engaging in politically motivated attacks.

It doesn't matter if the guys were adults or not. The doctor and the coaches were in positions of power over them. That's all that's needed.

The head coach knew about the doctor and only issued a verbal warning. If the head coach knew about it, and didn't escalate the matter when he should have, what the hell else could Jordan have done?

All that's needed for what, R369?

Jesus! What is the point of coming online and typing incoherent screeds? Explain yourself. Articulate.

Matt Damon said:

[quote] “You know, there’s a difference between, you now, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” he said. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”

We've reached a time where everything IS conflated. But back then, some forms of sexual assault were considered more serious than others. Although the doctor was suspected of being a perv, there was no categorical proof of actual rape because no one who made these allegations 30 years later came forward with the full details.

R372 is the trolling freeper. First of all, the doctor did more than pat guys on the butt. Second of all, you aren't taking into consideration the fact that Jordan is LYING. It's not like he said he knew but was afraid to tell someone - he's claiming he never heard anything, which is a lie.

R371, I'd think it's obvious what I meant. Posters in this thread and others have been making the point that most (apparently not all) of these students were adults at the time these incidents occurred as if that makes a huge difference. It doesn't. The doctor and the coaches were all in a position of power over these students. That's all that's needed for there to be sexual harassment at a minimum. It may not be child abuse, but it's still fucked up as hell.

Jim Jordan has his share of blame for all this, and the lies and cover-up that has followed. Politicians have resigned over far less than what we already know went on.

Wingnuts have abso-fucking-lutely no clue about the difference between consensual and non-consensual sex.

I mean it explains so much.

#GymJordan bump.

Let's not forget about this perv.

Don't believe his denials.