TLC star Jazz Jennings says she's 'doing great' after gender confirmation surgery Part II

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Trans people I know who transitioned as adults by their own choice after getting lots of therapy and living as both sexes before ever taking hormones, have told me that life does not magically get better after surgery, that it makes you a second class citizen, and it can cause problems or make things worse. That's what these kids and teens don't always understand. The bisexual drag queen Pepper LaBeija explains it, in a camp and informative way in Paris is burning.

Also many have regrets about the surgery.

The mother on this show is a fucking nightmare from hell and her husband is so milquetoast, he just goes along with every Lucy-n-Ethel like scheme she comes up with. If that ultimately includes the sister having to hand over her baby to Jazz, so be it.

I remember being a little kid and saying stuff that was just flat out wrong. Maybe, "I AM a big kid, I am NOT a baby!" at the age of 2 or 3. And having Mom or Dad say "Oh come on, you are still my little baby." Children say things to test their perceptions of the world. And Jazz as a 3 year old says "I am NOT a boy! I am a girl!" and from that moment on, his/her munchausen-by-proxy, deranged looney-tune of a mother goes along with the narrative, turning her development into a girl as the ultimate home-based science project.

They clearly were so homophobic that trans was preferable to gay. And now? This shit all gets real, as Jazz has to face his irrevocably altered life, post-surgery. But running out of stuff for the show? It is all just starting. I can see entire seasons dedicated to child bearing, siblings arguing over how much loving support they must give to Jazz, and inevitably, dealing with horrific medical complications resulting from years of hormones.

R4, The mother posted a clip of him singing, so maybe there is signing, too.

She is a wonderful young lady...a role model in the LBGQT community. Love the show and look forward to next season. Want to see more of her hot twin brothers...sexy! I think one is on the DL..even dad is a DILf. Grandma cracks me up...she so precious.....beyond stereotype of a Jewish Grandma in Florida...love it!

Sad, neurotic kid.

R5 don't be surprised if they try to make her into a pop star.

I won't be surprised at all, R8.

R6 Oh good, could you fuck Jazz please, as nobody else ever shall

r6 Producer of the show/PR

I hope his gash closes for good and his piss runs out his butthole.

I watch the show. Jazz comes across as very mature and well adjusted and her family is loving and supportive. I never got the impression this is a whim or she'll magically change her mind.

No one said it was a whim. He has been stuck in this role since he was five. This harmful behavior is not supportive. He did not seem mature when he was asking his father if he ever looked at his mother's vagina, and that was rather late in this experiment. The parents laughed and would not answer him. It should have been explained to him a long time ago along with the rest. He was not given genuine information about this or about other alternatives in life. And its all a TV show.

R13 Producer, what about th episode when he is told because he has used puberty blockers for years and he now had a micro penis so they would have to use his intestines for a fake front hole? Do you think he had all the information when he started using puberty blockers? Cause anyone who has done any research would know he would end up with a micro penis so why was he so shocked/crying/fucked off? Oh, or are you saying he did not get all the relevant information before his fully matured brain made his choice?

r13 What show did you watch? Never have I seen an ep where he comes across as very mature and well adjusted. He farts and burps at the table, he whines and tantrums when he wants something, he is rude to his family and he has no real friends. NO, he is not doing well.

Also, Jazz having the nuts to go against his grandfather, a retired medical doctor, with his new words and phrases, attacking him for not going along with the new medical standards. Only Grandpa is right, and Jazz is not, What Grandpa says about the sexes and the body will still be true in 100 years, what Jazz says will be an embarrassing footnote in 15 years.

R17, So true! The bizarre social pressure to conform with this insane fantasy (you will hurt my feelings if you do not treat me like a girl!!!) is encapsulated in Jazz's relationship with her grandfather. You can tell he just wants to scream, "This is all NUTS!!!!!!"

Jazz will likely balloon to a 300 lb. lesbian once this magic pill turns out not to be the cure-all Jazz had hoped.

[quote]They clearly were so homophobic that trans was preferable to gay.

This is clearly a tired DL cliche that has little to do with most real-life trans kids and their parents. I'd agree that Jazz's parents have made some very questionable decisions about how to raise her, first and foremost being the decision to air so much of her private business in the media. The whole world should not be privy to every last detail concerning a 17-year-old's genitalia. And I suspect DL is not wrong about the dangers of pumping a young kid full of hormones with no idea what the long-term medical consequences might be.

But there is zero evidence that Jazz's parents made such choices because they didn't want a gay child. In fact, Jazz's mother has stated that she was pleased and excited to think her youngest son might be gay, and still sometimes mourns the loss of the boy she had imagined Jazz to be. Whether or not she was wise to throw herself so wholeheartedly into facilitating Jazz's transition, she clearly thought she was doing the best thing for Jazz—NOT ensuring that she wouldn't have to be the parent of a gay kid.

R20 You need to read more

r20 [quote] she was pleased and excited to think her youngest son might be gay

"Pleased and excited" why? she could've been supportive, mine were, but normal parents would still be concerned or have a time before adjusting to the idea. She was excited because, like Munchausen parents that I'm really starting to believe she is in a way, she'd have something to be different and bring attention with. And when, conveniently, Jazz said he wanted to be a girl (at like what 3 y.o?) she throw herself to the idea because, once again this would bring even more attention, and it did, they made a TV show out it.

Yes, that's it, R22.

[quote]"Pleased and excited" why?

As you noted, probably in part because she enjoys the attention of having a kid who is different. I'm not defending the woman's general behavior—I think she's a bit "off" in many ways—I'm just disputing the idea that she was so desperate NOT to have a gay son that she pushed the trans thing for that reason.

R24 Well, she has broken from the advised treatment, (Don't use puberty blockers, No surgery til past 20) and as she is the adult that would seem to be pushing him into it

Again, r25, I'm not defending every decision this woman has made about her kid, and quite possibly she has pushed the trans thing too hard; I just don't think she has pushed it out of homophobia.

Trans was seen as better and more marketable than gay.

I think the mom is homophobic. And embarrassed about it.

Jazz has been "dating" a lesbian named Victoria. When she tells her mother she is attracted to Victoria, jeannette (the mom) is non-plussed and says, "really? Hmm." And Jazz back pedals and says, "well yes she IS pretty."

Jeanette is the one who has been pushing Jazz in the direction of stable all-American heterosexual family, with kids. I think it is the reason Jazz is somewhat panicked at the idea of dating trans men. Now that Jazz has been prepped to be flawlessly trans, Jeannette will not brook opposition to her ultimate goal of 4 happily married children, each with 2.2 children. Their goal is to pioneer a new view of the all-American family unit, in which sexual orientation out of the main stream is corrected, and, problem solved, everyone lives the all-American ideal, and no one would ever know otherwise. THAT is the pioneering work Jeannette thinks she is doing here.

Jeannette is the gay community's white liberal that MLK warned about.

I don’t know that much about this particular family, but I do believe there are some families where the child is absolutely insistent they’re not the gender they were born as, and those parents think they’re doing what’s best for their kid by letting them transition. If you’re child is in tears every single day, and seems heartbroken or even suicidial at the idea of having to live life as a boy when they’re certain they’re a girl I can understand parents not knowing what else to do.

I think that’s the minority these days though. Trans is trendy and brings these parents attention. I could believe Jazz’s mom has Munchausen by proxy, considering the reality tv angle

[quote]the child is absolutely insistent they’re not the gender they were born as

If a kid uses that language, they have been brainwashed from somewhere - internet, youtube, school

If they are just being a kid fixating on the other sex and what they get to wear, or toys, then the problem is mostly with the parents who see that as a big problem

, and those parents think they’re doing what’s best for their kid by letting them transition.

You would have to be pretty sexist and/or homophobic to jump to this as a solution. Faced with any kind of big problem, people usually look for other solutions than the worst one. Of course there is huge encouragement to do this in the internet/media/schools, but still it is very extreme. Not extreme if you are homophotic/sexist, though.

she should have fixed her huge schnozz first.

R12 I did not even know such a thing can happen with a TS/tg vag?

R17, I give the poor boy/girl maybe a decade. I really hope he/she does not kill herself/himself the way a lot of trans people do.

I do not watch the reality TV show, what did the grandfather say about sex change operations, giving kids and teens hormones to block puberty, etc.?

I think when Jazz is older she should meet Julio Gomez, she needs a nice BBC.

Did Jazz even know ze would have to dilate shis pegina when zee or shis parents decided that zee would have the surgery at a jung age?

This is crazy.

.........

Frankenclit. Zhir better hope no one throws that thing on a platter and serves it as a pig in a blanket this July 4th.

What a mess.

From what I’ve seen in my liberal bubble, girls are very much encouraged to participate in certain “male” pursuits, and can wear pants and dress rather androgynously before eyebrows are raised. My daughter is a badass tomboy but looks feminine (she’s gorgeous), so she doesn’t get much shit about her non-girly interests (weapons, gaming, surfing, martial arts, snowboarding).

Boys still don’t have that latitude. It’s cute if a little boy wears a tutu and tiara to preschool, but I think even very progressive parents would feel weird sending a third grader to school like that. How do you explain it? TRANS. Your boy wants to knit? He likes cake decorating? Uh oh.

R30’s comment was thought-provoking.

r32 You must've missed the first thread, it was plentily discussed there. But in short, yes, she needs to dilate it daily in order not to get closed, it's a very painful and tedious process too according to trans themselves, as you can see in the link at r35

R37 is that a micro penis with foreskin, or a pumped up clit?

I found this blog on the link you posted, and it is crazy how nutty trans activists attack anyone that is gay, lesbian, or bisexual, or even hetero who does not want to date or sleep with a trans person or identify as pansexual instead of bisexual or gay.

r40 Thing is, if some parents, like Jazz's, have a daughter like yours they'd encourage her to transition just because she's a tomboy. I'm not sure if it's out of homophobia, they'd prefer to have a trans kid that someone who deviate a bit from the gender expectations, or an extreme 'progressive' thinking.

Sorry, that was meant for r39

A lot of liberal types are homophobic. If you try to talk to them about "transgender" it is obvious that they never got "gay" despite the lip-service. I have heard them make homophobic remarks, too, before Trans inc.

Trans people get deeply offended over everything.

Does Jazz post on reddit?

This self-proclaimed "non-binary" person is also doing great after taking off his penis and balls. So I guess we should start allowing self-identified "non-binaries" to hack off their genitals?

I feel bad for the entire generation or two of bisexual and gay kids, or just kids and teens who are different who have parents who will manipulate them into believing that they are trans and need surgery, and hormones.

Jazz's mom did this, and so did the woman at the link below.

God, R48, the kid couldn't just put on a white shirt for a violin recital?

R29 said: "I don’t know that much about this particular family, but I do believe there are some families where the child is absolutely insistent they’re not the gender they were born as, and those parents think they’re doing what’s best for their kid by letting them transition. If you’re child is in tears every single day, and seems heartbroken or even suicidal at the idea of having to live life as a boy when they’re certain they’re a girl I can understand parents not knowing what else to do. "

I could not disagree with this more strongly. What would I do? I would go see therapist after therapist, if necessary, focusing especially on cognitive behavior therapy. I would not accept the child's statements as truth.

Jazz's mother took her to doctor after doctor seeking a "tans" diagnosis. When they told her instead that SHE needed therapy, she called them quacks and essentially put her own therapy together.

Just because the kid says "I am a girl" does not mean his penis needs to be cut off. There are 10 million things I would do before going the route Jazz's parents did.

R50 that's very true. LOTS of kids and even teens imitate the opposite sex/gender or question what it would be like to be the opposite gender/sex of that which they were born, but they do not all become trans.

I know girls who I grew up with who when they were young or teenagers said how they would love to be a boy because they wanted to know what it was like having a penis, but these girls who are now grown adult women are not trans, have no desire to transition, etc.

I also grew up with boys who would put on their sister or mother's makeup, or try on women's shoes, or play with girl's toys or dress up as a girl for halloween, and they are not trans.

r50 r51 Exactly. My nephew wanted to be a puppy when he was 3, they just have gotten one and he was kinda jealous of the attention it was getting, so he wanted to be a dog too. My sister didn't put him through surgeries to be became one, she just bought him a costume and in a couple of days he was bored of it.

What I'm saying is, if a kid wants to dress or do things that aren't "supposed" to be convenional of their gender, let them do it, maybe they'll grow out of it in a few months/years and if they still feel that way they can transition when they're adults.

I really think this people would rather have a trans child because they don't like the possibility of them being gay. It's like, you want to do girly things?, then be a girl! instead of dealing with a boy who likes to play with dolls or a girl who likes to play football. After all, the trans kid will be 'gender conforming' once they assume the opposite gender.

R50 it’s nice that you have it all figured out but I wasn’t saying what those people are doing is right or best for their child, just that in SOME cases their motivation is not so nefarious, and they truly believe they are doing what’s best for their child. Not every parent of a trans child is homophobic.

Culturally, the move towards pushing young children who are gender non conforming to take drugs and mutilate themselves is absolutely homophobic.

R39 by kindergarten the other little boys will start enforcing masculin rules. One the boys in my kids class likes to paint his nails. His straight dad is cool with it, but the kids were making fun of him. Now the little boy just wears toe nail polish. There was a discussion about if it was a good idea to have a separate girls 1st grade soccer team. Some thought it was better to keep it coed. The problem was the boys wouldn't pass to the girls. All the liberal parents were bummed that it was starting so early and that they hadn't been able to prevent their boys from being sexist. We all know we will have to keep working to have evolved boys and girls.

Damn, it's bros before hoes even in kindergarten?

This trans crap is so regressive and damaging, I will not forgive anyone or organization that supported this. And this is not 1950. There is no excuse for their sexist and homophobic ignorance.

[quote]SOME cases their motivation is not so nefarious, and they truly believe they are doing what’s best for their child. Not every parent of a trans child is homophobic.

I don't think so. I think they are all homophobic and sexist. There is no excuse for this in 2018, even if there is heavy publicity for it.

R26, I don’t watch the show, but my bet is even the perception of homophobia would be concealed.

I did read on dL that jazz had some flashback experience where he thought he had been a gay man in a previous life who was very lonely because his family rejected him for being gay.

Homophobia isn’t always obvious. In fact, who wants to be gay? How many of us were relieved & happy with our same-sex desire?

R55, I think kids go through a phase at that age where they are just learning that boys & girls are different, and that’s why they “enforce” stereotypes.

It’s becuse they are childish & immature.

They outgrow it...unless they come from a family that is rigid.

R53, I never said it was simple or that I had it all figured out.

I do know that this epidemic of transitioning is insane. I have 5 friends who have trans kids. FIVE!!!!! These are all upper middle class people for whom it is inconceivable to oppose their child in anything, much less in life-determining choices.

I am just sick when I think about what the next 20 years will bring them.

R58, yes, there was an episode where Jazz went to a hypnotist, She had been binge-eating and Marci Bowers said that in order to do the surgery at age 17 (i.e., when she was still a minor) would require that she lose the 30 pounds she had gained. She had to meet all the hospital's criteria (including that she not be acting out in any unhealthy ways).

So off to a hypnotist to help her lose the weight. While under hypnosis, she did past-life regression (another bizarre thing the show invites its audience to buy into), and remembered her previous life as a gay boy, whose parents kicked out of the family home a couple of centuries ago. He told his parents, who got a sort of sick look on their faces, realizing immediately how this was going to look in the media.

Makes me wonder if Jazz treats TLC passive-aggressively.

[quote]I have 5 friends who have trans kids. FIVE!!!!!

What country is this (or region if the US)?

[quote]I am just sick when I think about what the next 20 years will bring them.

If they do not get out of the cult and damage, they will be preaching to the next generation and to society, that this indeed is what kids should be doing.

R48, the Raising my Rainbow mother is absolutely insufferable, but she refers to her son as 'he' and isn't pushing to medicalise him. It's a small positive, yes, she's a famewhore, but on the other hand, she seems to get that boys can wear dresses and still be boys.

[quote] TLC star Jazz Jennings says she's 'doing great' after gender confirmation surgery

Just a reminder, once upon a time TLC was 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐥.

The channel mostly featured documentary content pertaining to nature, science, history, current events, medicine, technology, cooking, home improvement, and other information-based topics. These are often agreed to have been more focused, more technical, and of a more academic nature than the content that was being broadcast at the time on its rival, The Discovery Channel.

Their old motto was "A place for learning minds". Currently their motto is "Everyone Needs a Little TLC".

Kate Plus Eight really messed it up.

R62: New England. But one of the 5 is actually in the Pacific Northwest.

TLC, A&E and Bravo used to be much better. Now they are all grotesque.

Thanks, R66.

It's depressing how this is going on and on and expanding and only a handful of people care or understand what is going on, and if they say anything they are censored and abused.

It's crazy. It is extreme and wrong and they do it to their kids. And no one cares. It's great!

"Drag kid"used in pedo poster

Um..why are "transkids" and "drag kids" in "Pride Marches" in the first place?

I’m afraid.

I believe the parents do it because they're children themselves. They'll do anything to take away their kids' pain, and if the kid wants to lop of his dick, here you go! Life is hard, people. The role of parents is to teach children how to survive by modeling grownup behavior. I'd rather have no grandchildren than a trans. I don't think I could keep my mouth shut if my kids pulled that stunt as parents.

What I DO know is that TLC's insistence on painting Jazz and her family as correct in their approach, pioneering (in being willing to face opposition that they view as regressive and stifling), and virtuous -- in pushing forward into unknown territory ---- means it will be that much harder to do anything BUT what they have done.

DL has long presented the possibility that this is all mental illness, but it goes beyond that. It turns a delusion into a reality that is scary for its pervasiveness. I mean really: We all become socially obligated to pretend that the fantasy constructed by trans kids is real and to do anything else is rude, unfeeling, narrow-minded, bigoted.

So I find myself caving in. I use the "proper pronouns", I call the trans kids by their new chosen names. I act as though it is all real. But in my mind's eye, I am thinking, "This is all NUTS!" And am afraid to voice anything that might give that opinion away. Which then makes me feel like a hypocrite.

I don't know what it will take to turn the pendulum back, but I worry that we are nowhere near a point of turning back. How much worse can it get?

I don't know. It is scary that it has gotten this far with no end in sight. I really think there is a political push to it.

It's not the first mental illness fad and it won't be the last. Because it is based on a false premise (that clothes, hormones and some pretty primitive surgery are magic), it will burn itself out (there will still be some people who transition, but it will be that same small group who have acute gender dysphoria.). It will be less attention getting because it's known--so less attractive to narcissistic and needy teenagers. There will be some well-publicized disasters/suicide/side effects.

There's already increased scrutiny--such as the Atlantic cover story. 4th Wave Now is a good site simply because it stays pretty calm and fact-based.

I think, too, it's already becoming less interesting to edgy teens--the whole pronoun thing makes my teen just roll her eyes. What was outrageous and trendy a couple of years ago is starting to look a little . . . pathetic.

This is ugly.

Transitioning brings more risk of a pain coma, this woman will need a crowd funded wheelchair before she knows it.

Why didn't they fix his nose at the same time as they sliced and inverted his penis?

R72, me too.

R62, I know three “trans” middle schoolers in NYC, and know OF a kindergartener who is “trans”. Personally, I think one is a lesbian, one is questioning/attention-seeking and one is just very very mentally ill.

That is terrible, R77.

This cunt mom and her one kid are fame whites, and she is forcing him to be trans.

That Should read fame whores.

In the 90s, good friends told me that a therapist friend of theirs was treating a celebrity child for "gender disorder." I had to ask what it was. "He believes he's a girl," they told me. I was more shocked the therapist had talked to them about the case, and I trusted if she were even half-gifted she'd guide the parents (the kid was 2!) through the issue. I forgot all about this until a few years ago. The kid is now a celebrity himself, and thank God, still male. Yes, I agree with the rest of you ^^ this is all insane. Is this a US problem? Is it too much money and not enough sense? Is it weak parents who won't teach their kids that being who you think you are is ok, but be prepared for the consequences?

[quote]There will be some well-publicized disasters/suicide/side effects.

yup...and/or crime(s) against women & children in female spaces by a TW/male.

I guess some Ts pushed around some older lesbians at the SF Pride March recently...tore up their signs for being TERFs. It probably has its own thread.

But already a lesbian couple...along with their son...were murdered by a TW/male (Dana Rivers). And nobody cares. It was just dismissed as a love triangle/domestic violence issue. Which is impossible amongst two lesbians & a straight man. He wiped them out.

I don’t know what or how long it will take for this destructive social contagion to play itself out...I’m almost 50 and I hope it won’t last the rest of my life. I didn’t think it would make it this far.

Never in a million years would I have guessed that Cherno Biko, a TW, would have taken stage with Janelle Monae at the DC Women’s March...plus post for a photo with Gloria Steinem. I was there...in DC...and recognized him for having taped a “transman”/woman.

Let that sink in. An admitted rapist was onstage at the fucking women’s march in DC. And Gloria Steinem happily posed for a photo with him.

And the lady who sued the military for kicking her out for being a lesbian...years ago she was chosen to be Grand Marshall at a Gay Pride Parade. Her invitation was rescinded when Ts protested that she was transphobic because she called them on their “cotton ceiling” bullshit.

DLers have been posting about this for years now...at least five years. We started the drawp the teee petition. We are one of the very few places online who posts like this. Everywhere else is censored.

And the younger gays believe the mainstream “queer” orgs & sites. PinkNews, Huff Post, even SNL dispense pro-T propaganda...with no room for debate whatsoever. T is framed as a civil rights issue, right up there with segregation, women’s rights, & gay liberation. Say anything critical of them, and you are on the same side as racists, misogynists & homophobes. Even if you’re a black feminist lesbian.

That's interesting R61 considering that while there have always been and will be bisexual, and gay men and women, 3 centuries ago gay, homosexual, and bisexual were not terms or identities people used or self identified as.

I have Asian friends who as part of their centuries old religions believe in reincarnation or previous lives, but when I have asked them about this topic they said how you are not supposed to know a lot of details about them, etc.

Plus what happened last month at the Grey Fox Pub in St. Louis...where “queer” women beat up a lesbian.

A lesbian got beat up leaving a gay bar, folks. For being a lesbian. By three “queer” women. And PinkNews & the gay bar are totally against her.

Very true R82. I had no idea who that rapist is but I found this site when searching the person's name.

R81 who was the celebrity's child can you please drop a hint?

That’s a good article, r85.

R86, I’m not r81, but I immediately thought of EJ Johnson. But who knows. Just wanted to get that out.

Transwoman Activist Cherno Biko confesses to Raping a Transman

Just out of curiosity, if a person has taken female hormones (and presumably testosterone blockers) for years, but hasn't had surgery, is it possible to return to a normal male life? Haven't seen any literature on de-transitioning after years of trans identity.

R90 No

[quote]...and took to social media to share pictures of her long awaited transformation...

"trans-formation"!!

Oh, NO they DIDN'T!

The stuff about Dana Rivers and Pink News and Advocate coverage of trans stuff hasn't really made it into the mainstream media, so it's ignored while the mainstream face of trans has become Jazz Jennings and cute little boys dressed as girls. Parents who raise questions get the whole suicide rigamarole.

But I think that's all changing a little--there's a reason the Atlantic article raised trans hackles and they went apeshit over what will read as a pretty balanced article to people outside trans circles. But the existence of desisters, is very upsetting to trans activists--it undermines their whole world view that being trans is innate and not chosen. Stupid when you think of it since we all know straight(ish) people who've dabbled--particularly when they're young.

I think Jazz being castrated (let's call it what it is) is a little unsettling to a lot of people even if they don't say so.

Meanwhile Mr.WhitePrivilege Caitlyn Jenner has fallen off the radar. Chelsea Manning crashed politically after Tweeting about being suicidal.

The trans thing is also really bad for women's sports--though not in the way people think right now. If parents think their little female darling is going to lose out on an athletic scholarship to an MtF, they're going to look at alternatives--i.e. sports where being a guy is less of an advantage--i.e. gymnastics.

Most people will perceive being an MtF trans athlete as an unfair advantage, even if they don't say so.

[quote] The trans thing is also really bad for women's sports--though not in the way people think right now. If parents think their little female darling is going to lose out on an athletic scholarship to an MtF, they're going to look at alternatives--i.e. sports where being a guy is less of an advantage--i.e. gymnastics.

I know what you're saying, but that won't help, R93. Most girls do not have the body type suited for women's gymnastics.

Wow the Nazis are working overtime today. They are going to split lgb-T or Putin won’t pay them.

I used to be active in trans circles and did the conference circuit, etc. I only met one person who regretted it. Not surprisingly this person did not go through the therapy route. The Nazis just cherry pick stuff and make up other stuff.

R95 This thread scares you, doesn't it? People calmly sharing real information and facts, which are the scourge of trans 'activists'. The truth is out there, and more people are reaching peak trans and have turned. And that scares y'all.

R95 you really prove the point that trans screech Nazi and transphobic!!! when faced with ANY discussion of reality.

r95 Yeah yeah we're all nazis, you're the only one that's right.

All this experimental surgeries being done on your bodies remind me of something though 🤔

[quote] They are going to split lgb-T

If only...

If they do split the LGBT, they can't stand on their own. They've glommed on to the gay and women's movements because they know that.

NOT ONE of the white gay Millennials I know who screech about the TRANS as if their lives depended on it has a single trans friend, nor do they ever date or have sex with a trans person. How curious.

R95--And why would you meet people in trans activist circles who regretted their choice? If you actually read what's written by people who have desisted, they make it very clear that their desisting or even questioning their path made them feel very unwelcome in trans circles.

4th Wave Now gets called transphobic and a hate group, but if you actually go to the site, you'll find that most of the people posting there think that it's fine for *adults* to make their own choices about transitioning. They are worried about the long-term effects of things like testosterone being used on minors. They describe daughters with issues (several are on the spectrum and lesbian) deciding abruptly they're trans after being immersed in social media.

Tell me *exactly* how this makes them Nazis? Or what any of this has to do with Vladimir Putin's work at subverting the global order.

Probably because they are gay, R101. Is that allowed?

The Ts are the Nazis pushing barbaric means to destroy homosexuality.