Woman “humiliated” by restaurant security, asked her to show ID to use the restroom and then kicked her out!

"Clymer wrote on Twitter that the group was having a good time preventing leaks with Tampax Pearl"

That's a pearl no one would clutch.

It’s a good policy in a way. No one wants male criminals to dress as women to have access to the women at their most vulnerable.

Actual transgender people, fine.

He can't be serious

[quote]Clymer wrote on Twitter that the group was having a good time preventing leaks with Tampax Pearl: the extra protection every woman needs for those “extra” days.

[quote]According to Washington law, Charmin gives you a better clean and won’t leave (f)pieces behind.

WTF?

What's going on with restaurants in the DC area?

Clymer is an ex 'male feminist' who has a long history of using and abusing women's groups for his own benefit. He was called out on this and faced a big backlash a few years back. He disappeared for a while then came back as Charlotte claiming he was trans. He's a typical misogynistic ex military type.

Trans is a cabal of mentally ill narcissists posing as a civil rights movement.

When will people finally learn to say 'No' to these creeps?

Why did they ask her to present ID?

Petition from a few years ago.

Ahhh the shit heel that kept creeping into women on Twitters DM's to hit on them, this is good, nobody buys he is either a woman or cares about women. For fucks sake he isn't even trying

R2 As women have been saying for years now, how the fuck does anybody tell who is 'real' trans? With self I.D all a man like this has to do is say he identifies as a woman and society is meant to just shut up and accept it. Fuck that lame shit

The brilliant Magdalen Burns made a video on him a while back, it’s well worth a watch.

R11 She nails him

That was a pearl of cuntiness, R1 We must have standards, and the pole position reply is an important one.

R8 's pic-obviously Tampax Pearls come in handy for those days when a woman needs another set of earrings.

R2 in NYC it's against the law to ask for ID. It's considered harassment.

Low hanging fruit, OP.

That person represents the gap between the trans people that people are meeting in real life and the trans people that are portrayed in the media. Huge difference.

I don’t accept this person as a woman and never will. Nor should any other woman have to. His lack of sincerity is obvious. Call me whatever name you like, transphobe, TERF, I really don’t care. Charlotte Clymer is a man.

A crazy, abusive man.

[Quote]According to Washington law, Charmin gives you a better clean and won’t leave (f)pieces behind. They said, you have to have "female" on your ID to use the women's bathroom.

OP thanks for the unintentionally hilarious copy and paste fail!

I really hope that there is some effort being made to inform people on SM about Clymer's history. He doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy.

[quote]Clymer wrote on Twitter that the group was having a good time preventing leaks with Tampax Pearl

Apparently it's OP who's putting these little Tampax and Charmin ads into the articles. They've been specifically tailored to the story lately (including a racist version in a thread about Black Panther) so it's not a DL script, and it doesn't come from just one website. They also now replace some of the actual news article text.

They were funny when they were random and unexplained, but now they're just boring.

Charlotte Clymer is Charles Clymer? Oh, for fuck's sake.

All the crazy fake radfems who say all trans are evil mentally ill psychopaths are wrong, because most trans people are really trans. But this guy? He IS a psychopath. That's too bad people are giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's one of the very few people who really would pretend to be trans.

I'm female and I don't want to use the restroom with a man, even if he is dressed up as a woman

That guy looks like a damned freak.

CNN should actually do some journalism so they know who they are talking about and what the issues are.

Let women go to the bathroom with, you know, actual women.

How absurdly ridiculous. No one feels uncomfortable with transvestites...except morons.

That was no "woman" humiliated by restaurant security. That was a man dressed in women's attire. Case closed.

Says a man, R26. Right? Who doesn’t use the ladies’ room anyway, I bet.

I can remember sharing the Ladies’ bathroom with drag queens some years ago and never had any issue with it. Clymer is not of that type, though, and many of us can see it.

Kicked out?! Tranny get your gun!

R21 I don't think OP did this intentionally-but a little diligence would have uncovered the inserted text and it could have been removed.

I feel so stupid for not having picked up on it..a site I won't name does this if you grab a snippet from one of their articles-they insert a plea for you to link to the article instead. I don't know why some webmasters seem to be of the opinion that annoying your visitors is a good policy. And don't get me started on those 'Vibrant' ads....grrr.

Was this a joke.

[quote]I can remember sharing the Ladies’ bathroom with drag queens some years ago

Why would drag queens go to the women's washrooms?

Anyways, transvestites are definitely not wanted in the women's washrooms and that is what this guy is.

Don't mean to be unkind, but she looks like shit. Its like 'Some Like it Hot' but the guys looked more realistic.

[quote]All the crazy fake radfems who say all trans are evil mentally ill psychopaths are wrong,

Nope, r22.

Rad Fems are simply saying that it’s impossble to change sex, and that bio females require & deserve privacy from bio males.

You are projecting. The TERF slur worked on you.

I hope others don’t for the T propaganda

I don’t know R32, but it used to happen in the gay bars in London in any case. Anyway, I agree that this guy isn’t wanted in the ladies’ room anywhere.

Agreed, R34. There’s been a fairly effective job of portraying radfems as bigots for suggesting sex-based protections exist for a reason.

T are the bigots bullying women and promoting homophobia.

[quote]Woman “humiliated” by restaurant security

Shouldn't "woman" have been in quotation marks rather than "humiliated"?

How many times has Sarah Sanders been asked for ID before she was allowed to use the women's restroom?

Cuba Libre is Basic Bitch Central. Nobody who is serious about food goes there.

It looks like he had a nosejob, only his nose looks more manly now than it did before.

I love the return of the hidden message news poster OP!

Unreal

Sorry she is not a woman. She is a man playing dress up. Look at her pic. 🤮

And not a pretty one. I wonder if Jacob Tobia would date HER.

[quote]But this guy? He IS a psychopath. That's too bad people are giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's one of the very few people who really would pretend to be trans.

Yes and that's exactly the sort of man who's now free walk right on into women's spaces with no questions allowed to be asked.

It's not the relatively few genuinely trans people that are the problem. It's men like this who it's anyone's guess whether they honestly identify as a trans woman or just get off on making bio women uncomfortable. Unfortunately there's no way to tell the difference aside from a woman's gut feeling that they just don't belong there but, of course, that counts for nothing against the "feelings" of a hulking man claiming to be a woman.

[quote]in NYC it's against the law to ask for ID. It's considered harassment.

So underage kids can drink with no fear of being carded?

That's to verify age, R47.

It's either legal to ask for a photo ID or it isn't. There's no way to prove the reason why you were asked. My mother still gets carded by over zealous clerks in liquor stores and she doesn't look under 21.

One does not need identification to know he is a man

This is not about attractiveness or how well you pass as a woman. If you are pretty, but have a penis, use the men’s room. This is a physical/biological issue, not an aesthetic one.

It’s fantastic Charlotte was able to find a way to make a friend’s bachelorette party all about zir. 🤗

Too bad some woman didn't lob a used tampax in the stall he was using.

R53 on no account ever read the posts by those guys who would positively enjoy that event happening to them thanks to their menstruation fetish...

R49 it's not legal to ask a man for ID if he enters female facilities in NYC.

Do you have any links, R6?

Disheartening but not surprising that Clymer works for HRC. So much for advancing the rights of gays and lesbians re: employment, housing, custody, etc.

Yeah, the fox is in the hen house,, R56, and has been for a while. What an utter disaster for G&L rights. Who would have ever imagined this in the 80s or 90s?

57, I couldn’t even imagine this five years ago.

I thought for sure people would snap out of it...

I’m shocked that anyone thinks it’s a good idea to allow men in women’s bathrooms.

[quote] Clymer wrote on Twitter that the group was having a good time preventing leaks with Tampax Pearl: the extra protection every woman needs for those “extra” days.

That sounds like MY idea of a good time!

R56, search the hashtag #StopClymer on Twitter. Tons of stuff will come up.

Chelsea Clinton tweeted her support of this creep. People tried to tell her about him in the replies, so I don't know if it's still up or what.

A poster up thread did bring up an interesting point about gay men and lesbians using the same restroom in bars without a problem. That was before it was decided by whomever that gay men and lesbians hated each other. Im truly ambivalent about the whole trans issue,I knew tons of trannies back in my youth and always got along splendidly with them. However,I am looking forward to the day one of these idiots tries something with the wrong bitch in some bathroom and she ends up beating the shit out of him.Better yet,a whole group of gals stomps it into the floor.

Chelsea Clinton never looks into these things before she tweets. It's like she's already running for office and trying to score points.

[quote]gay men and lesbians using the same restroom in bars without a problem

Yes, I can see where that’s not objectionable because women want a space where they can relieve themselves and take care of their menstrual hygiene in peace without worrying about being leered at or raped by horny men. Gay men ain’t barking up that tree so it’s not a big deal. But the Clymer types and other trans “lesbians” need to stay the hell away from all women and girls. I also worry about pedos seeking access to children via the women’s locker rooms and showers etc.

“Tube Horror as Group of Women Stamp on Man in Violent Attack in Leicester Square”-- Commenters aren't having it. How long can this kind of "journalism" go on?

The strange thing about this is that i thought all the bathrooms in DC were supposed to be moving toward a unisex single person model.

That comment section gives me hope, r64. The general public seems to be pushing back in Great Britain and refuse to be gaslit.

That ain't no frau. It's a Herr.

She should have done this:

She’s a man!!!

Regardless of how anyone in this thread feels about it, it is illegal in DC to prohibit self-identified trans women from using public ladies' rooms.

The Trans Hag (who on other threads also argues with everyone about everything) is on the linked thread loudly claiming that all DLers who are Trans critical are really conservative Christian Right-wingers.

Sorry, I forgot to link the DL thread where the Trans Hag is posting his OTT accusations.

The Trans Hag is claiming that we are not lesbians who have been sexually harassed/ assaulted , or gay men who want to save gay boys from being indoctrinated into transing, according to the Trans Hag those of us who can see that the Transperor has no clothes, are actually an Army of Christian Trump supporters spreading our Right-wing propaganda on the DL in order to propagate our anti-LGBT agenda.

R61, I don’t know how old you are, but the old school trannies whom you used to know and like are very VERY different from the current iteration of ‘transwomen’, many of whom appear to be angry entitled heterosexual males who present as hyper-sexualized caricatures of women (and not in a funny drag queen way either). Lesbians who have to endure these guys relentlessly impinging upon them have my sympathy.

Public places need to have one wheel chair access, diaper changing equipped, stand alone bathroom in addition to larger, multi-stall restroom facilities for women and men (if that's what they have). At the airport they are labeled "Family Restroom," and they are for everyone.

Trans-gender people can use it without having to state a Male/Female designation, and without being hassled for ID, women who feel uncomfortable in a multi-stall restroom where a trans-woman might also come in and be in close proximity can have privacy, people in wheel chairs will be able to easily use the facilities, and those who need to change a baby will have ample room. People might have to take turns. It's about accommodating everyone.

“Non-binary person slams Sainsbury’s for ‘misgendering’ them”

Now minimum-wage cashiers have to be mind readers in addition to all the other shit they have to put up with.

R74 also they might have to deal with a baby shitting and pissing all over like a small explosive device gone off

Separate facilities are not what the heterosexual autogynephiles who run Trans activism want, R74. They want to keep their penises, so that they can be "lesbians" having heterosexual sex, yet be validated as Real Women.

It's about power. It's about the power to subjugate women. The power to erase the words that identify women as women, like the word "woman."

It's about appropriating the female experience, while being incapable of having the lived experiences that real women share, or any of the misery that women go through because they are biological females.

If they were real women they would know why women don't want men in their private spaces, but they aren't. They are deeply damaged men, some of whom (the nicer ones) have internalized society's homophobia, and the rest just rage-a-holics who want to destroy what they can't have, womanhood.

I gave a WW to R38. Too few funny posts these days.

[quote] Charlotte Clymer is Charles Clymer? Oh, for fuck's sake.

Gary Busey was more feminine in "Under Siege".

Will things ever go back to normal? Will this ever be identified as the mental illness it is? Or have we gone past a point of no return, guaranteeing that this peculiar form of narcissism is with us forever?

I believe Jazz Jennings is having his gender confirmation surgery today. Prepare for a new onslaught of rejoicing in non-binary nirvana.

This insanity is making me tired.

[quote]Separate facilities are not what the heterosexual autogynephiles who run Trans activism want

Yeah, it is all about exhibitionism, harassment and bullying. It is to hassle and threaten women, constantly. And to demand, and get, public approval for it.

[quote] It's about the power to subjugate women.

Yeah, like the other public control and submission/erasure of women - the burqa.

[quote]Will things ever go back to normal? Will this ever be identified as the mental illness it is? Or have we gone past a point of no return, guaranteeing that this peculiar form of narcissism is with us forever?

I don't know. It sure doesn't help that the media, schools, government are all pushing it, and gay and women's groups have been silenced.

I'm starting to wonder what hell is coming.

R55 any bar or retail outlet can legally refuse to sell you alcohol or even deny service altogether if you refuse to show ID. Yes, it's your right to refuse but there are consequences.

That's true for alcohol, R83. But in NYC it's illegal to ask a man who wants to use a woman's locker room for ID.

OP put the quotes on the wrong word.

Thanks to brain-dead DeBlasion (he looks a bit T himself).

And voyeurism, r81

I was supportive of a lesbian (maybe bisexual?) friend when she dated a “transwoman” about five years ago...

I’m going to use male pronouns in this anecdote, perhaps to unlight the gas: he loved “burlesque”.

He identified as a lesbian feminist. But didn’t even think to ever send a care package much less even a card to his son who lived in another state. He was mad the boy didn’t wish him, his father, a happy mother’s day!

So this...straight man who abandoned his son...”came out” as a “translesbian.” Instead of shame for not supporting his child, this man became an activist hero in my local gay community.

So this “straight male bad father feminist lesbian hero” of course became friends with the female strippers at the local gay & lesbian club. Such good friends that they would let him [italic]hang out with them backstage[/italic] with them while they dressed & undressed together.

No, this isn’t a “Dear Penthouse” letter — it really happened. He was able to literally go where no man has gone before. With an invitation no less. And recognition for...ugh...bravery. ☹️

He was a total perv. A mentally ill beta male. And he was a genius. He literally pulled it off.

I can’t believe this is happening. I really can’t. We can see what’s happening in front of us. It’s so freaking obvious. But...wow. People have lost their minds.

Interesting point re: the similarities of that burqa & T ideology.

[quote] The strange thing about this is that i thought all the bathrooms in DC were supposed to be moving toward a unisex single person model.

It's disgusting. Men's bathrooms are disgusting. I don't want Women's bathrooms to deteriorate. And how many times do I have to say women do things outside the stall that they can't do inside small stalls, change pants, fix tights, things they don't want to do with men in the room. Men will never understand women's bathrooms. We haven't even touched upon men incapable of aiming that thing.

I was in a restaurant that had two side by side bathrooms. I assume they were unisex but they each had an opaque huge window in the door. I felt like I was on display. It was awful. It might have been Clyde's. I told myself never to return if this is all they had to offer.

This didn't take place in a locker room. All the fuss is about something that happened in a restaurant/bar.

Not all trans people are narcissistic assholes but I have to echo what R6 posted: this guy is a HUGE jerk and his adopting a transgender persona is nothing more than the latest manifestation of chronic attention-whoring and need to generate drama. Also see Magdalen’s video takedown of Clymer mentioned upthread.

[quote]Separate facilities are not what the heterosexual autogynephiles who run Trans activism want, [R74].

Should they have separate facilities for the gays? What about separate drinking fountains for minorities? Separate but equal doesn't work!

One-to-one interactions helped the LGB but it's having the opposite impact for the T. They will come to regret the bathroom issue as it upsets women to meet T in the bathroom and other female areas.

R91, when was the last time you heard about a gay man raping a man, or a lesbian raping a woman, in a public space? The numbers are so low as to be statistically insignificant. But straight men DO rape women-- all the time. And "separate but equal" has worked pretty darn well for a long, long time. So please fuck off with your false equivalencies.

Where I see the uptick is old-fashioned inappropriate behavior. Guys dressed as women in public spaces going up to women and being weird. Saying weird things. That all is being associated with the T.

I sat next to Charlotte at a dinner shortly before she came out as trans. She was still presenting as male then. I had never heard of her and had no idea she was any kind of internet personality or activist. She and I talked at length and we were at a crowded table where she had every opportunity to be an attention whore, but she just didn't have that vibe. I have known legit psychopaths and she doesn't strike me as one, but I'm not going to pretend one dinner is enough to know for sure. I've learned about her past behavior and some of it is really problematic, but the hatred being levied her way for it strikes me as an excuse to be transphobic.

The T movement has emboldened men to harass women in a new way.

Yes, R96. And people like DeBlasio are making it legal, too.

R95, I'm assuming that you have a mother, a biological female, and that there's a good chance that you came out of her womb.

Your mother was a woman. This attention whore, Clymer, whom you refer to as "she," is pretending that womanhood is a costume that he can try on. Womanhood is not a costume, it's marked by experiences such as, among others, having a baby, sometimes against ones will.

Do you honestly think that Clymer, who claimed to be a man until relatively recently, has the same shared life experiences as your mother?

It is incredibly dismissive of men to claim that all it takes to be a woman is to claim oneself a woman. You have no fucking idea.

Another friend who also caused drama may have been a dyke if it was 1990, but now she identifies as an ENBY.

Oh, it's a tranny sob story. Ok.

R91, where do babies come from?

R94, that is the T.

Magdelene video

Why is there NO organization that focuses on legal rights for GLB? Why must everything be conflated and our political capital used by everyone else, even those that hate us?

I received an email from Lambda Legal today:

Today is a bittersweet anniversary — and a frightening look at where our country is headed.

June 26 has been such a golden day for LGBT rights. Fifteen years ago, Lambda Legal won Lawrence v. Texas on this day, striking down the sodomy laws and decriminalizing our lives. Five years ago today, the Supreme Court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act and opened the way to marriage equality. And on this day in 2015, the monumental Obergefell ruling made marriage equality the law of the land.

The Supreme Court’s decision today, upholding the Muslim Ban, is a stain on that anniversary.

However one feels about the travel ban, uh, WTF?!!!

We're in some nightmare where every gay group and women's group has been taken over by people who want to support people who will fight against the rights of gay men and lesbians/women in general.

I was following this strange person on Twitter for a short spell. But after "she" posted her story about this latest DC incident, I grew bored of her searching for the next opportunity to be hurt and offended. It's unfortunate that people are so rude and ignorant towards her but she looks like a man in a dress, period. I am progressive and by following her for a couple months on twitter, I got tired of her Me me me parade. I think most trans people are good, but the rest are insane and using their trans status as a way to push their lifestyle and attitude forcefully into a society that is trying to accommodate them.

R77 speaks the truth.

R95 Oh fuck off with the 'she' shit. He is a total prat.

So is this guy just a dude in drag? Has he even made the effort to transition?

R109 Yes. No

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I think he looked better as a mail.

[quote]Yes and that's exactly the sort of man who's now free walk right on into women's spaces with no questions allowed to be asked.

I know you think you're making a point here, but I've known biological women who were just as crazy and dangerous. They go into your bathrooms, too. Surely you have run into homeless women with mental problems in public bathrooms? Or drug users? That can't only happen in the men's room.

"I know you think you're making a point here, but I've known biological women who were just as crazy and dangerous."

Gee, it's a good thing that they don't have more upper body strength than their fellow women, or a sexual organ that can be used as a weapon. That could turn out to be pretty bad, huh?

R114 as an average-sized woman I can handle myself against most women who want to use their physical strength against me or sexually assault me. Only a couple have tried to do the former, and none have ever tried to do the latter.

As an average-sized woman, most male people will be able to physically overpower me without a weapon, and I’ve been sexually assaulted three times, sadly not at all unusual for someone in her 30s as I am.

There are differences between males and females, and we all know what they are. When people keep on with “but some women are violent too!”, we know what you’re doing and we’re see you.

R114 thinks that women live in mortal fear of lesbians invading their bathrooms. What a joke.

R117, he also thinks it’s possible to change bio sex lol

That last profile pic is fucking ridiculous, R110. He looks like he's playing the part of Emily Howard from Little Britain.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I think there are a couple more countries ahead of the US, but the promotion T is one of the biggest attacks against women in the Western world, and women's groups have been silenced to accept it. And the media cheering it and the government enforcing it.

T will go down in history as the classic example of a Trojan Horse.

Well played, guys. Gotta give you credit. You managed to pull off what I thought was impossible. You managed to wipe out women & gays in an amazingly short amount of time.

This never would have happened if we didn't live in a trans obsessed world. Back in the day everyone just assumed those using the women's facilities were actually women. The few times men tried to gain access they were forcibly removed. Men didn't dress as women (those who were crossdressers never claimed they were actually women, unlike trans "women" today). Fast forward to today, where trans people want access to female facilities, this causes all sorts of problems. Women are bound to be asked more and more to show id proving they are actually women, since nobody wants men in frocks using women's spaces.

Males want access to female spaces because:

1. They authentically believe they’re women. 2. They fetishise women and want to enjoy their fetishes. 3. They are angry at women having any space without them and want to abolish it.

Hint: 1. is the genuine trans, and massive minority.

4. Boys bathrooms stink.

R62 Chelsie is A idiot.

It's exhibitionism - it has to be done in front of women - they are the target. There are also those who actually want to attack, film, rape, and listen to women piss and tape it.

R124, there is no “genuine trans” because gender is:

- a social construct,

- man-made,

- imaginary.

Sex, however, is real. And immutable. Anyone born XY will die XY.

It’s impossible to change sex.

Anyone who is suicidal because they feel like they were born in the wrong body need psychiatric help, not genital mutilation surgery.

Chelsea is brain-dead, just like the rest of the liberals who are giving this a blind pass - unable to see that is harassment of women, child abuse and anti-gay.

Did any actual women who understand the issue (as we do) respond to Chelsea Clinton? I just see a bunch of dummies who do not understand the issues.

And if the Dems continue to support this, they can go to hell. This worse than no cake.

The US is ranked 10th globally of the countries most dangerous to women (link at R120 ) because of this:

[quote] 10. UNITED STATES

The only Western nation in the top 10 and joint third with Syria for the risks women face in terms of sexual violence, including rape, sexual harassment, coercion into sex and a lack of access to justice in rape cases. The survey came after the #MeToo campaign went viral last year, with thousands of women using the social media movement to share stories of sexual harassment or abuse.

Brain-dead Chelsea celebrates insanity, aggressive misogyny ,child abuse, homophobia and anti-science ignorance.

Did Pharma Inc or Pritzer donate to "The Clinton Foundation"?

I still think there are many more countries ahead of the US. One not allowed to have "metoo."

ONES not allowed...

Over on other threads, like the Justice Kennedy resigning thread (linked) the wannabe DL Social Justice Warriors don't think that it's any big deal that the Left is letting these virulently misogynistic Trans redefine the meaning of female, enter female spaces, take female sports scholarships and money for women's health, etc., and ad nauseam.

That's how little women are worth to the self-proclaimed "liberals" on the Left. Even many gay men don't care.

Yeah, they don't get it and they never did. Nothing shows the obvious misogyny and homophobia of straight liberals not getting the T push; they are proud to be seen supporting it. It is so obvious with the bullying of women, and "puberty blockers" is horrific and dragging kids into it. It is so obvious - and they are blind to it. Gay people supporting this are beyond stupid.

Women have two boots to the neck. The far right want to remove reproductive and bodily agency and the far left want to remove the language women have to accurately describe their bodies and reproductive processes. The former is arguably worse but the latter makes it so much harder to fight against the former.

The far/and mainstream left are pushing it. I see them as the bigger danger because people are aware the Right is the enemy and they are closely watched.

The left is aligned with two anti-women ideologies (also anti-gay and anti-child protection) and there is no criticism, it is celebrated. And they are not allowed to speak about it.

That is very succinct, R137, and as R138 suggests, the third "boot" is Muslim immigration to the West.

I posted on other DL threads about lesbians being physically attacked by Trans and Trans maidens at the San Francisco Dyke March just a few days ago. Those posts got zero traction.

On a gay site, no one cares that gay women in the gay US city, San Francisco, were attacked at a gay women's march by men, most with penises, pretending to be gay women.

I didn't see those threads, R140. Do they still exist?

And I agree. Gay people who do not get it are fools.

They should still exist. I'll link one below.

No one cares what happens to women. I just called a San Francisco political office to complain about the Dyke March's organizers, which took the male lesbians' side even though they're the ones who committed violence, whereas the female lesbians were only holding signs.

The young woman who answered the phone at the politician's office treated me as if I had the problem. Men are pretending to be women - not just women, lesbians, and physically assaulting real lesbians who are only holding signs at a DYKE MARCH and both the organizers and politicians are taking the side of the violent men.

R142 Thanks for listing that thread.

It's had to find quality threads amongst all the bilge that's passing through the Datalounge Mouth and Anus at the moment.

" NYC Dyke March" - all men

Couldn't get on your twitter link R144, but saw these pictures of the 2018 NYC "Dyke" march from Vanity Fair.

In the pictures, Vanity Fair's editorial staff decided to "print" there were these two signs: "Dykes don't have to be cis" and "Fuck Transphobia" the latter carried by an obvious female.

When did some lesbians start to center men in their movement? Why do some lesbians go along with this misogyny/ charade?

R145 They are not lesbian, they are queer, which means straight with dyed hair

[quote]When did some lesbians start to center men in their movement? Why do some lesbians go along with this misogyny/ charade?

I don't think they centered them, it was men walking over them. Same with women's groups, and with gay men. Lesbians are probably protesting the most (and being attacked the most) out of the three.

As for lesbians, straight women, and gay men who go along with the bullying sexist trans homophobia? I DO NOT GET IT. They are bullied or stupid, I guess. There is HEAVY brainwashing for T online and academia and this has going on at least a decade now. Most people are not independent thinkers, even when they are the target.

There are people on DL, who STILL DO NOT GET IT. I think there are a couple of trans that always stop discussion, but also some really stupid gay people. They are stupid and repeat what they read in a sold-out media that has thrown gay people and women under the bus.

[quote] I posted on other DL threads about lesbians being physically attacked by Trans and Trans maidens at the San Francisco Dyke March just a few days ago. Those posts got zero traction.

If I might suggest that should have been a separate thread. I didn't see the one you linked but if I had I'd never have gone past the discussion of the ugly retards from Queer Eye so I'd never have seen the story of the attack.

Seriously, who would have imagined this say ten years ago - men pretending to be women and attacking lesbians in the Dyke March, and kids that seem gay being transed if they play with the wrong toy. And you can't talk about it even in "LGBT" organizations. How can lesbians and gay men not be disturbed by this stuff?

And there is still no needed breakaway G&L organization.

[quote]Vanity Fair's editorial staff decided to "print" there were these two signs

Exactly. The media controls the whole thing. A media that is unfriendly, while pretending to be.

A poster at GenderTrender claims to have found the organization and (she claims) the obvious female who organized the San Francisco 2018 Dyke March. According to the GenderTrender poster (and I HAVE NOT VERIFIED THIS) the organization is The National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Here is their website, first please verify that they were indeed the organizers and then GO GET 'EM GIRLS - call and tell them that for supporting male "lesbians" violence against lesbians, they are...

[quote] About Us The National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR) has been advancing the civil and human rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people and their families through litigation, legislation, policy, and public education since it was founded in 1977

I believe that NCLR has been run by and primarily for T for years now. The legal director used to be a lesbian back in the day.

NOW and Planned Parenthood also center to a large degree on T.

Even the LA LECHE LEAGUE has been cowed by the T, which is pretty extraordinary if you think about it.

Heavy propaganda has been directed at mothers since the 90s through films, parent media such as magazines and morning tv promoting everything from T books for preschoolers to elementary students who challenge gender as drag queens to promotion of the Jazz/Jeron show.

Breastfeeding is now CHESTFEEDING in LLL parlance.

Doubt that the risks of a birth mom who was on T prior to conception and possibly while breastfeeding has been studied.

Link

LLL has now fallen in line. They all but say babies are born out of front holes.

R148 I did ask that someone start a separate thread on this but no one did. I have linked the GenderTrender article that talks about it if anyone does want to start a thread.

The National Center for Lesbian Rights (what a joke) did run the San Francisco Dyke March for the last few years, including 2017. The website does indeed make it seem Trans-Centered.

On Gender Trender they have the statement (maybe from social media because I couldn't find it on the NCLR site?) the Dyke March released on the attack on lesbians at the march. It was shameful that a purported organization for lesbians would defend the physical attack of lesbians only carrying signs that talked about things like BIOLOGY by "lesbians" with penises

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

There is starting to be some push back re: sports, or at least some growing recognition of the situation that has been created. What will happen to Title IX and to scholarships for young women remains to be seen.

T have taken to invoking MLK and Brown decision to shame those who question or object.

The general public has only been exposed to the modern T movement for a very short time. Only since Jenner came out and the T movement went full force after marriage equality.

Before that, most people had never heard of the concept of trans kids or trans males. It's still new. There will be pushback from the straights. Count on it.

What the vaunted Left Media really thinks of gay men is pretty fucking disturbing too. When they take a break from virtue signalling, the truth starts to show...

It is political infiltration - no other word for it.

The public at large still is not aware of most of it. And the dopes in "academia" are brainwashed fools with zero critical thinking skills.

Kids are being indoctrinated from Day 1.

A video from Planned Parenthood itself:

[quote] Reproductive rights are deeply connected to trans rights, and we’re here for the trans community, providing health care, education, and info. Learn more about trans identities:

That is but a boy in a dress.

Did she identify as a straight male prior or was he a gay man?

Remember when there were lots of ads for "Chicks With Dicks" in the classifieds?

I mean it's great ad copy, but really they were "Guys with Tits".

[quote] And there is still no needed breakaway G&L organization.

And there isn't going to be one.

Clymer's plight at Cuba Libre was met with the expected denunciations of the restaurant from every quarter, with people -- who had never eaten there -- proudly proclaiming that they would boycott the place, even after the restaurant apologized. Everyone fell in line, including the restaurant, which really had no choice because (1) it is the law in D.C. , and (2) it was going to be a public relations nightmare.

You could try and argue the merits regarding Clymer's past, but that would be pointless. If you're explaining, you're losing.

Why are you on a gay site cheering the destruction of G&L rights?

I agree that changing sex isn’t possible, but old-school trans used to at least assert they wanted a quiet life as the other sex. Now obvious Mens’ Rights Activists and out-and-out pervs are under the trans umbrella along with the fictional non-binaries and the poor victims of internalised and externalised misogyny that are the kids and young people dragged into this horror show.

I agree, r113. Mark it ‘Return To Sender’....

[quote] Why are you on a gay site cheering the destruction of G&L rights?

In exactly what way am I "cheering the destruction of gay rights," R168? I'm pointing out facts and the hard realism that the clock is not turning back. Wishing for it -- or clapping harder -- won't make it so. If you are living in some fantasy world where you think that LGBT organizations are going to automatically jettison trans people and trans issues and every other letter in the alphabet that follows the T, then you are being wildly delusional. And, ultimately, that is not all that helpful. Simply pointing that out may be a healthy dose of reality, but it most certainly is not "cheering the destruction of gay rights" -- which, as a gay man, I've been fighting for over the past 30+ years.

I'm extremely apprehensive about the move away -- by our own organizations -- from matters of concern to gays and lesbians and into a place where those issues now must take a back seat to "trans-queer" issues. I am not okay with the transing of children, and I refuse to have our history stolen away from us. This insidious notion that the Stonewall Riots were the work of trans activists that didn't involve gay men should be battled back at every turn. I roll my eyes at the pronoun nonsense and refuse to allow the term "cis" to be used when referring to me.

But to simply point out the cold dose of reality that no LGBT organization is going to just split off the trans part of the equation is not the same as "cheering the destruction of gay rights." That kind of reflexive overreaction, which lacks any semblance of critical thinking, isn't going to assist anyone.

[quote]I'm extremely apprehensive about the move away -- by our own organizations -- from matters of concern to gays and lesbians and into a place where those issues now must take a back seat to "trans-queer" issues. I am not okay with the transing of children, and I refuse to have our history stolen away from us. This insidious notion that the Stonewall Riots were the work of trans activists that didn't involve gay men should be battled back at every turn. I roll my eyes at the pronoun nonsense and refuse to allow the term "cis" to be used when referring to me.

Then wake up, because gay rights are being thrown out by T and gay people who make money off of it.

It is indeed going backwards to throw out G&L rights. It 's actually beyond backwards because transing kids is a very new low.

I think there will actually be new G&L groups. The smart people realize what is going on.

Now the anti-gay forces have expanded from the right wing, to the T push, to braindead G&L who defend their own demise and gay people who make money off of the anti-gay push. Gay rights only started with a handful of intelligent people and it will be that way again if gay rights are to survive.

R137, kinda like Hillary vs. Trump & Bernie

You are forgetting one, R173.

[quote] I think there will actually be new G&L groups.

🙄

Right. So, are you going to volunteer to found one of those orgs and take all the grief that will inevitably come your way? And there will be a LOT of grief. Or are you expecting someone else to do that?

Yes, I am.

There will be a lot of grief if there are no gay rights, R175.

If the GOP do start repealing marriage equality and rolling back gay rights it's going to have the effect of refocusing all the major orgs and media back on to the L & G.

The one silver lining in that scenario is that all the straight, queer identified, blue hair crowd and the straight men who who get a kick out of harassing lesbians will probably slink back in to their hetero lives. Some of those types will rapidly find out it's less fun being part of the alphabet when there is real abuse going on.

But in earlier times, there wasn't a brainwashed G&L and liberal segment that actively supported anti-gay stuff. There is now. The liberals will drop it like a hot potato but what about the out G&L that support T? This is the vocal G&L right now.

Things are moving downward very quickly. If they drop G&L protection and kept T (that could be the compromise), where would the G&L T-supporting idiots go?

[quote] In exactly what way am I "cheering the destruction of Jewish rights," [R168]? I'm pointing out facts and the hard realism that the clock is not turning back. Wishing for it -- or clapping harder -- won't make it so. If you are living in some fantasy world where you think that Germany is going to automatically jettison Nazis and Nazi issues, then you are being wildly delusional. And, ultimately, that is not all that helpful. Simply pointing that out may be a healthy dose of reality, but it most certainly is not "cheering the destruction of Jews -- which, as a Jew, I've been fighting for over the past 30+ years.

Fixed that for you. And put you in a time machine back to pre-WWII Germany. Maybe it will finally sink in to your fat, fat head.

R145, ask the Indigo Girls.

Lesbians made them successful....bought their records, concert tickets, merchandise, etc.

But they took the T side at MichFest.

This woman is hilarious.

Every gay man and lesbian in the media and in academia is taking the T side (with two or three exceptions that are ignored). All the gay and lesbian and liberal celebrities in Hollywood. All in the former G&L organizations. All in the major women's orgs and all left/liberal organizations.

R154, the L Word had a couple T story lines...a male “lesbian” & a tomboy lesbian who liked to pretend her strap-on was a penis.

It seemed so innocuous at the time...playful even.

That’s before we realized T was really a Trojan Horse for homophobes & misogynists.

They successfully infiltrated...because we are so friendly & “inclusive.”

MichFest lesbians were the canaries in the coal mine.

Radical feminists caught on quick, but just like in the 1970s, nobody listens to real feminists.

I know, R183. That is it. And they are still not listening to them.

Glee started out with gay characters then ended with a 200 person T choir. T is in numerous shows for kids now. And T is being pushed from kindergarten to university. I cannot talk about it to anyone in real life because they are all brainwashed or do not understand what is going on because they are not paying attention.

[quote]I cannot talk about it to anyone in real life because they are all brainwashed

Same here. Even my Unitarian friends feel that “transwomen” should be accepted as women.

In fact, I attended the local Unitarian Church a couple years ago on Mother’s Day.

The honor of reading a little story to the kids before they toddled off to their Religious Education class, which is basically the Unitarian version of Sunday School was given to a man in a dress — with puffy chest hair spilling out.

This was on Mother’s Day. Of all days to be “inclusive.”

And nobody batted an eyelash.

Yeah, that is depressing R185. It is truly brainwashing and you can see they never really "got" gay. I tried to speak about it to a liberal woman, a very nice and otherwise intelligent person, but she did not get it - and was brainwashed to support T. Even when I pointed out the transing of kids part. It's a wish to be seen as liberal, plus a not really getting gay/women's liberation. A lot of "educated" people are not critical thinkers. They want to do be seen as supporting the "right" thing, even if it is wrong.

I am also moving and because of stuff like what you described at the Unitarian Church I know that every liberal/left/gay/spiritual/political organization has been infiltrated by T, which leaves me reluctant to join those groups. So it makes it harder to meet people somewhere now.

Collect all the information posted on here and build a brief full of facts and talking points that you can use to talk to people.

Talk to lesbians about the lesbian-bashing at the San Francisco Dyke march. Point them in the direction of Peak Trans threads on Reddit, where primarily young lesbians tell their horrific experiences with Trans "lesbians" Show them the results of an internet search on "Trans" and "cotton ceiling."

And when you talk to "Third Wave feminists" point out to them the similarities between their brand of "feminism" and Men's Rights Activists. The focus on getting women to welcome porn and prostitution. The idea that "women" with penises should be allowed to dictate to women without penises. Many of these younger feminists were brainwashed at university, so have some smarts, use that to persuade them to look at this issue with fresh eyes.

I am old enough to remember when gays still had it very rough. It took brave and determined people to get gay rights to where it is (or rather ,was, before the Trans took over) it can happen again, we just all must be brave and determined.

What didn't exist before, R187, were gay and women's groups that are anti-gay and anti-women, brainwashed and paid to be.

My sister is a teacher. A trans group came to her school and told the kids that being T was about being your true self — and who has the right to stop you being that? This is in the UK.

I had a full-on argument with her about the fact that “living a quiet life” is not what the now full-on assault by trans rights’ activists (particularly using children in their arguments) on common sense and logic is about, and that many of those claiming to be trans don’t even claim to have dysphoria anymore, etc. She didn’t get it or understand what I was saying, and considers me (feminist lesbian) prejudiced in this regard.

[quote]She didn’t get it or understand what I was saying, and considers me (feminist lesbian) prejudiced in this regard.

That is the distinct feeling I got when I tried to talk about it with a liberal woman as well.

Just ask liberal women if they think that women with penises should be allowed to dictate to women without penises, what they should think, what they should call themselves and their body parts, and what they should wear.

Mention that some of this years "Pussy Marches" banned pussy hats for being transphobic. And remind them that Trump specifically mentioned pussies in his comment that inspired the pussy marches. Yet women were forbidden by men claiming to be women from mentioning their pussies in a march dedicated to stopping men from making comments like, "grab them by their pussies."

Then show them a picture of Stephonkee and ask them if they'd like him in the shower with their 11-year-old

[quote]told the kids that being T was about being your true self

Yeah...being your true self, according to Ts, requires genital mutilation, sterilization, cosmetic surgery, & being dependent on expensive & carinogenic drugs for the rest of your life.

Doesn’t matter, r191. Above all else they must be tolerant & inclusive. 🙄😔

I never forget that either, R180. I really regret that we did not all see the threat for what it was while we were laughing at nutloaf jokes on DL.

Performers are merely puppets of the monied interests, used to lead or sway public opinion. No loyalty or integrity.

The T have also launched an all out attack on the Vagina Monologues. My mom loved that play, lots of women did. Now - transphobic.

They will not let women have anything to themselves be in the Vagina Monologues, Michfest, a rape counselling center, midwives, or a toilet. It is a women-hating politically armed cult that also pushes the abuse of children and homophobia.

It's a complete mystery R8....why did they ask 'her'? The article is incredibly disingenuous, not even making reference to the fact that he claims to be 'trans' and therefore leaving out the whole point of the article. Are we meant to just imagine that restaurants are randomly ID-ing actual women now? Also the comment that they weren't asking anyone else for ID. Again, I wonder why that could be.....

Gurl he needed to be banned !!! That dress !!! Those Accessories !!! I rather see Gabourey Sidibe in a wet t shirt on a Tuesday night than that mentally messed up hot mess .

There was additional drama, someone (looks like what used to be called a lesbian) who self identifies as ENBY also volunteered or was asked for ID. She clearly looks female however. The drama, natch, played out on social media, esp Twitter.