Part 2: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, Is It Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

Image from PART 1 deserves to be reposted. Classic Markle turning her back on the Queen.

Sparkles re-enacts bee buzzing around Harry's ear for 'shits and giggles' in front of the audience.

You will have noted R1, that she has turned her back on the Queen to turn the big pearly white smile on Prince Charles.

In the video of this, you can see the Queen giving her the side eye as she turns her back

Can you post the video, r3? I didn't see that.

Markle's envious look at Kate.

R577 from the last thread...

[quote]Wouldn't it be great if Madame Tussaud's wax museum dressed Megs' scraggly frame in her dowdy Givenchy duvet!

If your plan doesn't work out would you be open to a more casual look? After all, we've learned that she was trying to appease the hoi polloi by wearing the M&S toilet-roll fascinator atop her £3,922 dress, and what look could ever speak to the peasantry as succinctly as this one?

If it's deemed too common, they could always class it up by adding a Swarovski royal warrant (for services provided) to the left cooch pocket.

When she was about 30 lbs. heavier her slim pins looked like they belonged on a human body.

R4

[quote] Can you post the video, [R3]? I didn't see that.

This is one of them. I think there is a better one, but I couldn't find it. Note Harry backs away and Sparkle looks at him, then turning her back to QEII who gives a sigh and a side eye to Sparkle. Sparkle turns around with a hip thrust and big smile at Prince Charles. The first part of the clip looks as if there is no one else around QEII and Harry & Sparkle, but Princess Anne is sweeping up from the right rear,

Thank you, r8. There is another video I came across where Harry is handing out trophies at Ascot and Sparkles grabs his arm at one point during the trophy handover ceremony and Harry is filmed rolliing his eyes at having been once again grabbed by Sparkles. I can't find the video but was stunned to see the exasperation on his face.

Why are we still talking about MM? She's a second rate royal now.

She may be second rate but The Queen is 'mentoring" and profiling her through the roof r10. Meghan is going on her 2nd Royal Engagement with The Queen his time with Prince Harry for a Commonwealth event at BP.

Forgot to include link about the event I referenced in r11.

Some SM are reporting she's pregnant with twins.

There seems to be confusion about Charles paying for Sparkle's clothing v. Charles selecting them. Sparkle is making her own fashion mistakes, but the bills are sent to Clarence House (Charles's official residence), not Kensington Cottage, the Sussex domicile. It isn't conceivable that Charles would pay for one son's wife's wardrobe ("work" wardrobe), and not the other son's as she joins the Firm and begins to represent it officially. Harry and William use the income from their trusts for their own staff, as opposed to staff that is covered by their share of the Sovereign grant (e.g., travel on official tours like the ones to Ireland, France, and the South Pacific coming up for the Sussexes). Nannies, cars, horses, country homes, home furnishings, expensive cars, polo ponies, etc., are not covered by the taxpayer (allegedly). So, it is left to Charles to pay for their wives' expensive designer gowns, day clothes, and accessories, most of which are considered part of their "work" for the BRF.

But the idea that Charles selects Sparkle's clothes, any more than he does Kate's (or Camilla's for that matter), is risible.

If Charles did choose their clothes, they would all be wearing tweet in summer.

Charles selects Camilla's bras. He likes the droop.

Charles also chose Cammy's swimsuit. Although we can all agree, he didn't quite get the colour right.

Cammie’s are downright perky compared to the woman sitting next to her, r16

I think Charles was aiming for the droopier look that the lady on the right had, r18.

R18 the woman sitting next to Camilla is the late great and very aristocratic María del Rosario Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart y Silva, 18th Duchess of Alba, who could trace her lineage from all of old Europe's major royal families. She was also around 90 when that pic was taken.

Her makeup is atrocious. Her face looks dirty.

Yes, I know, r20. And Maria del Rosario Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart was a little hottie in her time. At 85, she wed civil servant Alfonso Diez at Sevilla's Palacio de las Duenas. The bride's six children reportedly did not approve of the match. Can anyone guess why?

Other interesting factoids: The Duchess, herself of direct royal descent from King James II of England, was nothing if not grand, and regarded the Bourbon dynasty currently ruling Spain as ‘parvenues’ in comparison with herself. She considered herself, as a direct descendant of the Stuarts, more royal than the Queen, who is descended from what she regarded as the upstart Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dynasty.

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90 years worth of gravity in full effect then. That’s a lovely picture of her when she was young, but check out all the cheap looking beaded bracelets on her right wrist in the other pic

R9, are you talking about 1:40-ish at the linked video?

MM acts as though she’s at a social occasion rather than an official ceremony. She keeps grabbing at Harry while they’re supposed to be performing duties.

And she oddly gestures at the objects on the table, as if they’re wares for purchase. “Here, take one!” They’re to be given, not taken.

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I think he looks more embarrassed that she’s grabbing at him than annoyed, but it’s probably both.

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Maybe if she stopped wearing the slut shoes and wore something more comfortable she wouldn't have any blisters. Duh.

I saw that video as well, r25. There must be another video which captured Harry actually rolling his eyes when MM grabbed his arm. It was on a podium.

r29 = Kate taking a break from breastfeeding.

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Meghan is totally merching Birks. As for the crap clothing she wears, I think she's getting discards and garbage and samples from whatever labels either screwed themselves by pandering to the Kardashians and are hoping to dig their way out (like Givenchy) or labels with whom Jessica Mulroney has a relationship. The clothes are obviously not sent Meghan's way with Meghan in mind. They are whatever, and that is why I think her clothing is a combination of merching and "sure, you can have our leftovers!" while the label pretends what she's wearing is ultra expensive.

For anyone who claims she is NOT merching, please explain where she is getting close to a million dollars so far to supposedly dress herself. We get the cost of everything on her body every time she wears it. Her ascot attire was around 8,000 U.S. Someone did a panel showing Ciara (who was in a perfectly fitted, exquisite white dress with black accessories and a black and white hat, just like Meghan), showing Kate the year Kate wore white lace and a flower fascinator, and Meghan. All Ascot ladies in white, Meghan looked a hot mess.

Do Meghan fans think she has a million dollars to spend to dress herself? Do Meghan fans think that Prince Charles has given her an unlimited budget, that he's allowed her to spend a million dollars of his money, and will be happy to show us the accounts next time we get a report? "The Duchess of Cambridge clothing - 105,000 GBP. The Duchess of Sussex (wife of the sixth in line) - 800,000 GBP. Remember, people are doing the math as the Duchess's PR pumps out the tremendous cost (or what they say is the tremendous cost) of the stuff on her back, her feet, and that she's carrying.

Of course she's not merching? Than whose money is she spending?

Is that a link, r32?

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The Meghan disaster means Andrew and the Yorkies are making out like fucking bandits. Before Meghan, Prince Charles had practically pushed the Yorkies off the balcony. Suddenly the girls are riding in the carriage with their royal highnesses Cornwall. Some of Meghan's fans on various websites thought the Cambridges and Sussex's would be this fabulous foursome. That is not how it's going to play out. The York girls will continue to ascend, Catherine will continue to comport herself like a queen in waiting with Camilla's help, and the Sussex's will be like this "thing" nobody knows what to do with. Did you see nobody talking to them as Ascot? Anne went all the way around the crowd at the right, circling towards her mother, rather than take the simple path left and risk acknowledging the Sussexes. William, smart boy skipped Ascot altogether to help open a suicide center. Meantime ALL Harry and Meghan, the great humanitarians, ever do is show up for about an hour, pose for the cameras, and leave, and then the press announces how many thousands and thousands of pounds her clothes cost. I think the idea is to prove to us she's accepted because the RF is spending so much on her. Problem is, they are not, and that will be publicized. I would also like to know why she still has her own lawyers and her own pr firm.

I think Meghan was xanax-ed to the gills at her wedding and other times if buzzing from some other pill. She was positively manic on her outing with the queen.

R33 - if you mean she is doing some pals a favour by wearing their stuff, the way Diana wore Kanga's dresses, you can make a claim for merching.

But so far, that million dollar figure hasn't been proven - ffs, she hasn't even been seen an evening gown, yet; and even if she is doing some pals a favour, she has to pay for the rags. And she is spending Charles' money whether she's buying shit she personally in her clouded mind believes make her look like Audrey Hepburn, or doing a friend a favour, or both.

She cannot be seen to get these things for free or on loan and there's no way she could keep that secret for long; at a minimum Charles on behalf of Megan's new BFF, Her Majesty the Queen (or rather, HM's private secretary) will read her the riot act; or, at a maximum, before Buck House has a chance to reign her in (you should pardon the expression), she will be crucified by the tabloids, who are just waiting for an opportunity to take her down, especially the Daily Mail.

She cannot possibly be stupid enough not to see what would happen if this got out - she knows the tabs hate her guts privately. Why take the risk? For a few dresses and a pair of earrings?!

I noticed the lovebirds looked strange - staring into space at Ascot, r37. There weren't masses of people or friends around them, hurrying up to congratulate them. Quite the opposite. And that eerie isolation showed on Harry's face while MeAgain had a smarmy grin stuck on her face throughout the day.

As for the Yorks, now that Philip is out of the picture, Andrew is boldly weasling his way into the Queen's presence making sure he is in camera range at critical venues. I'm not quite as hopeful that Andrew's ruse will play out the way he plans as Charles is onto him and his dirty tricks. Charles won't have much use for the Yorks - for eg, those two girls or women do nothing, have accomplished nothing, support virtually nothing, say they work at jobs but do they really? And let's not get started with Ferguson and her nutty antics.

Summer is upon us. The countdown to the royal nip slip starts now!

This thread is an echo chamber of lunacy and hate!

Alone.

Meghan Markle is spending none of Charles' money and we will find that out when his accounts are released.

The rule about no merching is a rule we assume is enforced, but NOTHING is enforced with Markle. She is merching her ass off, and nobody is stopping her. People have these myths about the BRF like there will be some severe consequences, but there are no consequences. They can't fire her. They can't kick her out of KP. Charles isn't giving her money so he can't cut her off. The Queen's way looks like she is trying to bore Markle to death, starve them both of the limelight as they get subprime positions at family occasions (Harry has been demoted both on the balcony and at other events), show up for occasions, pose for the cameras and leave (because nobody mingles with them). SHE IS MERCHING.

It is and always has been extremely abused, and people get away with it because there are no consequences for breaking the rules against it, like a lot of rules for the rich. The first person who tests that out discovers that for themselves. If you're willing to be seen as tacky, to be humiliated, to have everyone know you're a little merch ho, then there is no downside.

Harry has always (except as a child) been in the back of the balcony at TOTC, for example.

As for Sparkle's clothes, it was on one of the blogs that someone posted the itemized list of all the clothes, shoes, belts, bags, etc. that she had worn. I think jewelry might have been included.

When you love the limelight and attention and cameras and want to be noticed and want to be praised for your clothing choices, they you can hardly object when people are able to keep a tab on how much is being spent.

We know that Charles pays for Kate's clothes and reports the amount spent. I don't know when those figures are released.

When the next totals come out, questions will be raised either about (1) why there is such a huge difference between what was spent for Kate vs Sparkle (if Charles has been paying Sparkle's clothing bills) or (2) who has been paying for Sparkle's clothes (if Charles has not been paying).

I don't know much about merching and how frequently it is done, but if all or a significant part of Sparkle's wardrobe comes from merching, I suspect there will be a hue and cry about it when and if it comes out that Charles is not paying. She has just had too much publicity, her clothes and jewelry have been too photographed for the issue to be swept under the rug.

Unless she's planning on bolting this first year, in which case that could explain her inept performance on issues of protocol that she surely has been informed of and tutored in (because she simply doesn't care and doesn't intend to stick around).

Charles is the one assisting the ascendancy of the Yorkies. He had the two York girls riding in the carriage with him and Camilla. I can see it. He always wanted daughters. He said bluntly that he hoped Charlotte (when Catherine was pregnant) would be a girl. I think Harry has self-sabotaged with this marriage to this lying, self-serving grifter, and so why not push the York girls? The fact that Andrew insisted they get princess titles and emphasizes they are "blood princesses" turns out, IMO, to have been good strategy, when before it seemed pompous and out of touch. They've stepped up. They look as good as they can look, with well done make-up and hair, physically fit. Their clothes are good, sometimes veering to a bit of absurdity, but it's royal absurdity - wacky on purpose - not someone trying to be elegant and face planting. Also, Catherine did such an A+ job as royal daughter in law, not only as far as comportment, but the three kids, adjusting her wardrobe, and appearing comfortable as can be, they're not going to settle for the ridiculousness that is Meghan. I'm actually surprised people aren't being nicer to Harry and Meghan for Harry's sake, since he looks uncomfortable and miserable, but maybe they think, "Hey guy, you're the one who brought her in."

Everything Meghan does is spun like crazy. She'll come up with some narrative for the clothes. At the moment, I can't think of one. Maybe it'll be "Charles didn't want to upset her by publicizing how much she needed since she doesn't have family back-up like Kate, so he hid the clothes amount in totals for other things, to protect her pride. And, Charles knows what an asset Meghan is to the family, so he wanted her to shine, but doesn't want Kate to feel neglected as she's very sensitive about the tremendous popularity of the newcomer."

I really think we underestimate how much any journalism, even tabloids, will pursue this stuff. We may get one article that makes one news cycle and then is dropped.

BTW, I don't believe anything she's worn or anything that's been spent on her comes even close to a million dollars. I think all that is public relations and bullshit, but it may bite her in the ass. She wants to seem important and valued by the RF, the labels want their clothes to seem royal and exclusive, so they lie. I think most of what we hear about Meghan is lies, but then again, I think most of what we hear about Harry is lies. I think Harry is a mess, and I think Meghan is living better through chemistry.

Looking at the picture at R43 makes me wonder what Sparkle would have to talk about with these people?

If you have grown up and lived a significant part of your adult life in the entertainment field, talking with people in that field would come naturally.

Sparkle is now living in a different universe. If she truly wanted to fit in, she should begin to find and cultivate some interests in common with this group of people. Just to give her something to talk about at these gatherings.

That picture at R43 is pretty sad. And there have been other clips at some engagements with Harry where people are polite to her, but after the initial greeting, they go back to their own crowd.

What an isolating situation. And, given that her history is of abandoning family, friends, husbands and boyfriends, her isolation is partly of her own making.

[quote] BTW, I don't believe anything she's worn or anything that's been spent on her comes even close to a million dollars.

The blog list total that I saw was not $1 million. But is was several hundred thousand dollars - a LOT more than what Charles reported for Kate's clothese. And itemized by event and each specific item of apparel.

People note that when she wears a thin black Givenchy belt (see the Ascot dress) it is slightly different from another thin black Givenchy belt she wore (perhaps from Chester but I don't remember for sure.) And each such belt is between $100 and $1000 in cost. Same with handbags. And each pair of shoes.

Those costs add up.

Maybe I missed this, but I'm surprised that her ex-husband isn't leaking any stories like her dad. I don't mean intimate details like her favorite sex positions, but details from her past that he surely knows. Is there a gag order or something?

Oh, by the way, Harry has escaped, briefly.

He is in Africa - Lesotho - to open a school.

Sparkle stayed in London.

He went to "their" Africa without her? So soon?

Hmm..... interesting.

r48 - In case you mised this on the first thread.

missed.

R44 - I think I've made my estimation of Sparkle' character, shallowness, narcissism, and ruthlessness clear in previous posts. That said, I simply do not know how you can make so bald a statement that she is spending none of Charles's money and moreover that there will be proof of that down the road. The statement suggests private knowledge that I don't believe you have. But let's suppose, for argument's sake, that you do know all her clothing and accessories are not paid for, but exchanged for "merching" by her. Doesn't that imply a massive shitstorm the moment Charles's annual accounts are posed of expenditure from the Duchy of Cornwall revenues, and expenses for Kate's wardrobe are duly listed, but not Meghan's, and no one has an answer as to how those 3,000-5000 quid day outfits were acquired, never mind the gowns she will inevitably appear in sooner or later? Are you suggesting that HM doesn't know, if this is the case, and that she is still acting like Sparkle's bestie with warm smiles despite knowing this? Or that HM and Charles and Harry and William et al., don't really know?

I suppose it is possible that Harry, on his wife's behalf, went to Charles and said, look, we don't want you paying for my wife's clothes, but we'd like to move out of this "no freebies or loans or exchanges for merching" box and save you and, therefore, the taxpayer some loot. So we want permission for Sparkle (beg pardon, the Duchess) to enhance her working wardrobe through arrangements with certain design houses. Do we have your permission, Sir?"

Let's say Charles said, "Go for it, darling boy!" None of these designers are British based, although a few of them are owned by conglomerates like Pinault's LVMH. The public isn't likely to know that and to be outraged, and another sort of shitstorm ensues. Do you really suppose Charles is stupid enough to give permission for an arrangement like that?

So what do you envision occurring when, as will inevitably happen, the public shitstorm breaks that Sparkle has been merching for Givenchy, Herrera, and Oscar de la Renta rather than having her father in law pay for it? Do you suppose no one inside the BRF will find out? Or that they don't care?

What answers do you envision being provided to the public when Charles's accounts show no costs for Sparkle's "work wardrobe"? That Harry paid for them? Sparkle paid for them?

I'd just like to hear how you envision this playing out next year if what you say is true, and not least, how you know it so emphatically.

R50 - her ex, Trevor Engelson, who is a producer, developed a pilot for a sit com about a producer whose wife leaves him for a British prince. I believe an option for it was picked up, but haven't heard anything since. It's possible, of course, he was handsomely paid to drop the project, but I haven't heard anything about that, either, and he just got engaged to the woman he got involved with after Sparkle FedExed her wedding and engagement rings back to him after two years of marriage. He's the reason, btw, that she got the "Suits" job. Once she got the job and got established on the show and started networking Toronto society (enter, Jessica Mulroney), she no longer needed Engelson and dropped him like the proverbial hot potato.

R45 - Sparkle is as likely to bolt after one year as I am to start having erotic dreams about Jennifer Lawrence within a year. First of all, she has to have at least one child before she can even consider bolting: otherwise, she leaves with the clothes on her back, what she got in jewelry as wedding presents, and nicely bump up in global recognition. At her age, especially, they won't announce until the first trimester is safely past. That means we're talking about, at the earliest, December-January, with a baby not due until the following summer. Then you have to figure in at least 2-3 years as the mother of Harry's offspring. No, she isn't going anywhere in on year. Not if she wants some sort of decent settlement, and a baby is crucial for that, otherwise she has no leverage.

Re the York girls - Andy is probably making headway with HM, not Charles, and that's due to Philip's declining presence. It is after HM is raptured that Andy's real battle will commence to get Charles to reconsider the as "senior royals" and not go forward with his "streamline the monarchy" plan at their expense.

Re56 I've heard about the sitcom, but other than that I was wondering why he wasn't leaking any stories about her. Her family is always talking about her, so why isn't he? He knows way more about her than some distant nephews she hasn't talked to in years.

IF SHE IS ABLE to get pregnant, she'll be turning 37 in August and will be raising a toddler at 38. Good luck with that even with minders or nannies. She'll want a second child so she'll be 40 at that point. Harry should be hitting a mid-life crisis right about then, so things ought to get interesting in the Sussex's household.

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R58 - who knows? Maybe it wasn't all bad, so he has some feelings of regard left for her. Maybe he wants to move on with his life, doesn't need the money, and doesn't want to be classed with the psycho trash family. Maybe the idea for a hit programme is one thing but making himself look like a bitter ex in the tabs is another. The hot star chef in Toronto hasn't talked about her, either, and she dumped him the moment she met Harry.

R59 I assumed they were doing IVF. The embryo's are probably already sitting in the lab somewhere waiting to be implanted. I won't be surprised if they do have twins, as rumored.

R59 - this has been done to death. Women get pregnant for the first time at 37 all the time - some need help, others don't. Fertility drops at 35 but does not disappear, and I related my niece's experience. As I said elsewhere, if they're both healthy it shouldn't be a problem, but if they really want children, they'd be foolish to wait.

Nothing on the web about Harry in Africa, r51.

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This article about the ex-husband putting the show on hold is dated 5/16. They may want to reconsider these fears about it flopping due to the couple’s ‘popularity’

[quote]“There is a feeling too that it is too soon for a TV network to go straight at the new royals given their popularity and it could flop.

[quote]“So that too is a factor, as Trevor has still not confirmed yet if he will walk away from the project.”

R66 - ah, interesting. Thanks for posting.

[quote] Nothing on the web about Harry in Africa, [R51].

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r69 meet r60.

Bet Sparkle would have loved to be in that Photo OP, r68!!

Well, the DM has published the "Markle's One Million Dollar Wardrobe" article. I still don't see one million quid in it but the wedding gowns, jewelry, and engagement dress certainly upped the cost. I'm waiting for a denial of the numbers from Clarence House or KP, and explanations that it was the wedding that resulted in such a high number.

Any bets that Meghan, the American will want to be front and centre meeting Trump during his upcoming visit?

[quote]Well, the DM has published the "Markle's One Million Dollar Wardrobe" article. I still don't see one million quid in it but the wedding gowns, jewelry, and engagement dress certainly upped the cost. I'm waiting for a denial of the numbers from Clarence House or KP, and explanations that it was the wedding that resulted in such a high number.

Even taking out the wedding costs, it's still an enormous amount of money. Who is buying her thousands of dollars of Birks jewelry? Why is she wearing a custom $8000 Givenchy dress to open a fucking bridge?

Or spend an eye-watering £56,000 or almost $75,000 US on an engagement dress?, R74? No wonder she dumped that chef in Toronto. And now Harry is supposedly in Lesotho doing his good charitable deeds opening a school for impoverished children. I don't think these two have any advisors to tell them to put a rein on their spending. Charles is enabling these two on top of it.

Charles is paying for her clothes:

WHO PAYS FOR HER CLOTHING? In Markle's first nine royal events with Prince Harry, the cost of the clothes she wore totaled $28,688. The outfit she wore to a Christmas service in Sandringham with the royal family reportedly cost nearly $10,000 alone, and the Ralph & Russo gown she wore in her first official portrait with the prince (above) was a whopping $78,000.

So who is paying for all of that? Prince Harry and Markle cover the expenses themselves, People reports, as it's against royal protocol to accept free clothes. After she marries the prince on Saturday (in a dress that she will reportedly pay for herself), Markle will be able to use part of Prince Charles's $28-million Duchy of Cornwall income for her clothing budget, according to the magazine. Last year, for example, Prince Harry and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge reportedly spent $4.8 million of that fund for office costs, salaries, and other business-related expenses, including wardrobes.

As soon as Charles is King, he is going to send the Yorkie Princesses packing. Their frequent holidays around the globe are well publicized and a source of anger- as because of austerity, many people in the UK are suffering financially and it is obscene to see the pictures of these women frolicking on beaches every few weeks.

And here we go R76, articles about Meghan being richer than the BRF and paying for her clothes.

As if anyone would believe it.

I posted that to show that Charles is paying for her clothes, r78. I laughed when I read about the absurd information about Megs net value. Total fantasy.

Too bad everything she wears looks like it came from H&M or Forever 21. The fabrics look cheap and they don’t hang/drape/fit right. For all they cost, her outfits should look sumptuous and luxurious.

Hoping the eagle-eyed critics won’t notice that she’s slipping out of her shoes or that the sleeves are too long is stupid.

Long before The Pavilion, I'm The Sandpiper in The Pines.

^ Sorry, that was supposed to be in the 1975 thread.

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Why didn’t Meghan go with him? She’s a tireless champion of charity!

R86 - Nutmeg is appearing with the Queen next week so a trip to Africa would have been far too strenuous for her (can you feel the sarcasm in my typing?).

So Harry is taking few days in Africa for a 2 hours job?

Is it official or just a private thing?

More important: who pay?

R79 - people forget that there is a difference between the engagement and post-wedding periods. Charles only began including Sparkle's wardrobe in his official expenses from the Duchy after the wedding. Her clothes during the engagement period look like they were a combination of things of her own she brought with her, perhaps some loans (she would have been exempt technically from the No Freebies No Loans bit before marriage), and some items Harry bought for her or she bought herself and he compensated her for. There are tax issues involved, you know, as she is still a US citizen and still subject to US tax regulations, so she has to be really careful about expensive gifts., which makes it even more likely Charles is carefully paying for her clothes now. I don't believe those would count as "gifts". Perhaps a tax expert could chime in here, as it bears on the issue.

Sparkle's net worth, like Harry's, has been vastly exaggerated. No one noticed her walking around Toronto in $5,000 dresses.

And I see Pa Markle has been talking again.

[quote]which makes it even more likely Charles is carefully paying for her clothes now.

He's willingly paying for $8000 dresses to cut the ribbon on a bridge? I don't remember Kate spending that kind of dough for boring day time engagements.

If Charles is paying for her pricey outfits, I’d be very surprised. And if she somehow charmed him into doing it, I expect Camilla will put a stop to it soon.

I suspect she’s gritting somehow.

R90 - How Charles feels about Sparkle's selections is a matter of speculation. He doesn't examine her choices on a case by case basis: he gives H&M an annual budget, as he does William and Kate (who receive, I believe, close to five million quid each year to support their "work-related" household costs, which includes Kate's wardrobe). I doubt he cares about the cost of one day-dress unless it becomes a PR issue - given what Charles spends on cars, horses, etc.. If it becomes a PR issue he'll send a private secretary around to Harry to say, "The Prince of Wales has instructed me to have a word with you about the image your wife is projecting through her clothing expenses."

But it's rather early days for Charles to be interfering in his daughter-in-law's use of her clothing budget - they've only been married six weeks. Everything is communicated in code and obliquely in these circles; the Queen is notorious for being unwilling to interfere in her children's, grandchildren's actions and choices.

We'll have to see what happens as time goes on. If Sparkle gets herself in the family way quickly, most of the discussion will be deferred, anyway, as the press goes all gooey again at the prospect of a new baby.

R91 - why are you surprised? This is the way it works: H&M are now senior "working" royals, which means they are not expected to cover many of the expenses that they can claim are connected to their work on behalf of the monarchy and the nation: salaries for private secretaries, aides, extensive wardrobes, staff for the maintenance and care of said wardrobes, travel to and from official "events", etc. So that money comes either from their allotment from the Sovereign Grant and/or from generous annual budgets from Charles's revenue from the Duchy of Cornwall. That is how Kate's clothes are paid for, they are not paid through William's revenues from his trust fund. Why would you suppose Charles would treat Meghan and Harry any differently if they are being sent off to work for the Nation?

She and the sandpiper share a common feature, so it wasn't completely out of place, R81.

Also, there's a marked difference between Harry's face in the Lesotho pictures and those of recent outings with his sandpiper. Comfortable and relaxed in the former; tense, embarrassed, and anticipating the next fuck-up in the latter.

R88

One of Harry's trusts from the money he received from Diana's estate was for charitable activities.

Note that this is described as a "private" visit which is why when R64 did a search nothing came up. Information about the visit was found on twitter (R68).

Sounds like Harry's costs for this trip might have come from that trust containing funds left him by Diana.

Harry's 'private' visit is all over the DM, r95.

r94 - Sandpiper's legs look better.

I know, R96, but it took them a while to hear about it and print the story. It was on twitter apparently from Africa before it hit the UK media.

Which seems to mean that it was not on the official calendar. Also, it had not been previously announced.

R86 not enough cameras around ?

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Megs is shopping around for a stylist to help her out of her style rut, r98.

R100 She needs a magician and an exorcist

She needs a good dose of Simon Cowell reality checks.

BREAKING! Meghan has hired Kanye West as her exclusive stylist.

With all the weight she's lost and her age I wonder just how easy it will be for ol' Bird Legs to get pregnant?

Careful, r104, you'll trigger, r63. Again.

R63 is a moron with blinders on, R105.

Charles is neither PAYING for Sparkles' wardrobe nor selecting her wardrobe. She is merching her scrawny behind off in that mess of ill-fitting, hyped up, glue-gunned together trash, and when Charles releases his annual expenses, we will see the usual low six figures on Kate and 0 on Sparkle. There is no logic to "He wouldn't pay for ONE son's wife's clothes and not for the other's." Oh fuck yes he would pay for the wardrobe of the heir apparent and the queen to be who make far more important appearances than Harry and Sparkle. Charles is extremely lineage conscious and there is no REASON to give Harry a million to dress his wife, although we all know the million claimed for her wardrobe is nothing like, and it's all castaway, samples and stuff that didn't sell or stuff in its initial cheaper sample form. I'm quite sure Queen Elizabeth loves Andrew as much as she loves Charles if not more, but she certainly never gave Andrew enough coin for Sarah to keep up with Diana who had Charles' purse to dress her.

What always kills me is Harry fangirls and boys who think things must be kept equal between Harry and William. In their world, they are not equal, nobody in their family is trying to "even things out" so poor Harry feels better, Harry will not get an Amner Hall and Charles' purse to renovate it, his wife will not get Catherine's clothes budget, and certainly not 10 X Catherine's clothes budget, which is what Markle's clothes budget has hit now, according to what her clothes are said to cost. Harry occupies a world where he and William are invited to tea with the queen and her staff neglects to provide tea things for Harry (this was an occasion where Harry famously complained).

Maybe if Harry got off his ass and worked, I don't know, 1/10th as hard as the previously lazy York girls did, it would make a difference, but he's Mr. Photo Op now, and not too frequently at that (ONE day at Ascot, then it was off to a "private visit" to his favorite booty call continent without the spouse. His fave kind of "working vacay").

Nobody tried to keep things "fair" between Margaret and Elizabeth, or "fair" between Charles, Andrew, Anne and Elizabeth. I just think it's ridiculous this idea that Harry has to stay even with William. He doesn't and won't.

For awhile there I was positive that Markle had gone overboard on plastic surgery some time before the wedding, because her cheekbones jutted out oddly, and so did her jaw/teeth. Then I realized, no, it was just extreme weight loss, and when you get to teeth protruding due to weight loss, you are in scary territory.

Oh dear god, it's another "merching" novella. Give it a rest, hon, you have already explained your "merching" theory in detail. Some people believe it, some don't. You'll get over it.

R63 radioing in here - the only people with blinders on are those who keep insisting that a reasonably healthy 37 year old woman has little chance of becoming pregnant.

Expect an announcement by February at the latest, as we are then all subjected to months of cooing by the Daily Mail as they have to lock away the knives they've been sharpening for Sparkle for a couple of years. I'd put a wager on it but then I'd have to tell you how to find me and 105 and 106 are just too scary.

See you at the christening!

R107 - if Charles was so fucking "lineage conscious" he'd never have allowed Harry to marry a 36 year old social climbing divorced American biracial D-list actress who discussed her relationship with his son in Vanity Fair before they were even engaged.

And the Queen gave the Cambridges Anmer Hall, not Charles. She also paid for a car park for the local church because a road had to be diverted to give the Cambridges more privacy (otherwise known as "security" precautions). She also gave the Yorks, the "younger son couple" of the their era Sunninghill Park, remember? Eventually, she or Charles will give the Sussexes a country home, too.

Oh, bollocks, I give up, I just give up.

Anorexics/bulemics often have a difficult time becoming pregnant and carrying to term. If Meggles wants to spawn, she needs to start eating on a daily basis.

What did I tell ya, R104.

I see it, R112, I just don't understand it. Of course middle-aged women can and do become pregnant. It's just a fact that they have a more difficult time getting pregnant and a more difficult time carrying to term. Add her obvious starvation in recent months and it's perfectly reasonable to comment that middle-aged, spindly Megs may have a hard time getting pregnant.

She could be pregnant in five minutes, who knows? It still doesn't make sense to ignore realities of older, starving women and their fertility issues.

I'm not sure who the people are who are freaking out over this. They aren't gay men, that's for sure. (cue frau desperately claiming to be a gay man)

It's gay men who keep bringing up Sparkle's alleged and as yet unproven infertility. Their barely concealed glee at her hoped for inability to breed is what needs psychological intervention.

Harry and Megs will continue to live at their two-bedroom home, Nottingham Cottage, in the palace grounds after their wedding, but as soon as renovation work is finished on the grander KP Apartment 1, which boasts 21 rooms, Harry and Meghan will make the move. In addition to their expansive 21 room mansion, it looks like they are on the hunt for a property in the Costwolds.

Not doing too badly for lower tier lineage.

R115 - which is what Sparkle married him for - that lower tier lineage lifestyle.

...OR his ravishing good looks either, r116. As another poster pointed out, only 3 years ago, Harry was fairly good looking but he seems to have lost it gradually over time.

Both of the Wales boys were good looking in their youth and lost it as they hit 30-ish.

The two of them were stunning - tall, nice complexions, features, etc) but then they hit the proverbial brick wall - HARD.

Can someone explain why a celebrity who gets freebies and samples has to return them? It makes sense with red carpet gowns and jewelry obviously, but that de la Renta curtain? Who was supposed to wear it after it was returned? What normally happens to returned worn clothes?

Btw, MM getting loans makes the most sense, because if she was getting freebies to keep, she would certainly alter/tailor them to her figure.

They sell them I guess.

Sparkle made the Hello cover. Why does she wear so much blush? Does she want to look like her face is bruised?

Kate wears too much blush too. Does RF have bad makeup artists?!

One can only imagine Sparkle's current state of ecstasy as she sees herself on magazine covers like this on a nearly daily basis now. This is the fulfillment of every fantasy she has ever had. She looks at that photo and really sees Audrey Hepburn at the Ascot races, not Meghan Markle the Suitcase Girl on Deal or No Deal - she thinks she has gotten that cheap past, neither fish nor fowl identity, do whatever it takes monkey off her back forever. Is she right?

Is that enough, R124?

R125 - You mean, enough to get the monkey off her back psychologically? If so - no clue. In my experience, the monkey is rarely rarely gone, just napping.

What do you think?

r124

R120, it really depends on status of both parties involved.

For example, a low-level actress finagles an invition to a second-rate Oscars party where she’ll be photographed on the step-and-repeat and possibly inside. There wont be much interest in any of it, but at least a picture or two of the actress will be seen by [italic]someone.[/italic] It’s not ideal but it’s better than nothing for a new or struggling designer who’s desperate for exposure. Plus, who knows, she may hit it big in six months and those pictures will be everywhere.

On the other side, it’s not Chanel but at least she has a dress that no one else will be wearing, and it was free. If she’s smart, she will be extremely careful all night because if she returns the dress in poor condition you can be sure that pictures of the damage will by flying around from designer to designer and she may never get another loaner.

The terms of the loan are spelled out in a legal document called a pull letter and a credit card number is taken (to be charged later if the dress is returned damaged, or not at all.)

Dresses of this level end up being monetized somehow; rented out on sites like Rent the Runway or perhaps sold at trunk or sample sales.

At the other end of the spectrum, dresses loaned by established designers to high-profile people are taken back and archived. One day in the future there may be a museum exhibit and the dress worn by [insert famous actress] when she won [insert big award] will be pulled from the archives and put on display.

A designer will sometimes donate one of them to be auctioned for charity, or they may get fed up with how much they’ve accumulated and decide to clean house of some of the lesser/lower-profile dresses. But the vast majority of archived dresses just sit there doing nothing.

That was informative, r127. Thanks!

R124, R126

I have no idea.

But, I wonder if it matters only as long as she looks good. Or is the exposure all that matters, regardless of how old or bad she looks.

Since Harry has been someone who has in the past complained about being always viewed and photographed, I do wonder how long before these 2 viewpoints clash.

R129 - I think the exposure is primary for her, the attention and fame. But secondarily, I suspect that what Sparkle calls "looking good" is looking like her fantasy self, even if doing so makes her look bad or older or gaunt. I'm not sure I'd take Harry's complaints about press intrusion too seriously. He's also admitted in the past that he is attracted to "glamour", which goes with press attention, hence the successful campaign of the actress. What I think is going to happen eventually is that Sparkle's voracious need for attention - the "bottomless pit" syndrome - will upend Harry's desire for stability now that he's married, and for things to roll along smoothly. Children of needy mothers tend to gravitate to needy partners, then find themselves reliving the frustration of never being able to give the needy parent quite what s/he needs, and feeling like a failure. That's where I think the clashes will come. Charles retreated emotionally from Diana when after the wedding the full force of her endless needs emerged. The more she raged, the more he resisted. (Style of thing.) Remains to be seen if Harry and Meghan are the unfortunate repeaters. Clearly, William didn't fall into that, but who knows with dim Harry and the famewhore?

Megs has disappeared while Haz looks depressed and anxious in a lot of the post-wedding pictures.

Who leaves his bride after only a month and four days after the wedding to go to his Safe Space? In Africa, no less? With his Close Male Friend? With whom he looks much happier with than his new wife?

Maybe Harry needed to let some blood run back into his hand and arm after all the hand holding and arm clinging.

She's been ridiculed and pilloried in the media for ex-communicating her father from the wedding, the father can't stop doing 'I've been frozen out of KP' type interviews for money, her abysmal fashion style, PR, and stunning lack of social graces (turning her back on the Queen at Ascot) for someone who was supposedly ready "to hit the ground running' and a 'prominent' actress with great philanthropic interests and passions.

She was pumped up (by Harry) to be bigger and more refined than she actually is (kind of a Princess Diana 2.0) and the media and public have seen through it and revealed it for it is. She had only her mother at her wedding - for a 36 year old with a network, all she could produce was the daughter of a disgraced former Prime Minister as her 'bestie.'

For his part, Harrry's face at Ascot looked far from the image of an ecstatic groom or newlywed. He looked sullen and introspective, even resentful while Sparkles kept her ever-present grin on show as she modelled her over-priced, common-looking lab coat and mismatched hat.

And for all the dismal spectable, she's reportedly racked up over a million dollars (lost count) in styling and couture costs? And played herself up on the covers of top fashion magazines?

Love must be blind.

I also think it is not a coincidence that while William is embarking on a major Middle East tour at the level of a revered senior royal and garnering exceptional media attention, sullen Harry suddenly pulls this private trip to Lesotho out of the blue to also get publicity and change the chatter from Disaster Meghan to him and his Great and Wonderful Philanthropic Interests.

R123 I’m not sure they have regular make up artists. Kate did her own make up for her wedding day and from the looks of it I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what she’s continued to do for most occasions. She does have a hairdresser though.

R131 - I didn't see anything about the "close male friend" but perhaps if Harry gets fed up enough with Sparkle, he can take inspiration from his cousin Lord Ivar Mountbatten, who will marry his partner, James Coyle, this summer.

R135 - it was put about that William asked Kate not to look too different from her usual self for the wedding, and that was why she did her own makeup and left her hair long in the back.

To me, it's like Markle is roleplaying Mizz Roberts in Pretty Woman. Even the outfits she's chosen at times resemble those in the film.

R138, yes!! I thought that peach colored off-the-shoulder getup looked like such a 1990s movie version of what a fancy lady on Roseo Drive should look like. The garden party dress, too.

The white shirt dress had some detailing on the waist, above and below the belt. But because it is white-on-white, from a distance it just appeared to be bunched or wrinkled fabric.

R130, yours is a very interesting post and seems to be an astute reading of the H&M relationship dynamic.

I wonder if the Queen is getting angrier about the whole Markle family disaster and is on Harry's case to make it end. No doubt some of the other royals are making fun of this Kardashian-level trashiness too. That would surely cause a rift between the newlyweds.

One thing I do not get is how drab or inappropriate or bizarre a lot of the RF women look, considering the cost of their outfits. I think I could put together better outfits at Massimo Dutti or even Zara. And if they went into Harvey Nichols or Harrods, surely the personal shopper could have them looking great for a fraction of what they currently pay. Kate often looks wonderful but not all the time.

Pretty woman Reference...nailed it! It’s like she,s an actress who got the script for new movie, loved the part, but unfortunately did not come with costume department, so she had to put together her looks herself.

R138- $142 - Agree that 138s Pretty Woman reference is brilliant - perfectly captures the peculiar sense that we're watching a panto.

R139 - Thanks. Will be watching with interest!

R133 - I haven't seen Sparkle ridiculed or pilloried in the press for ex-communicating her family. Exactly where have you seen such ridicule in MSM? In fact, the media, except of course for the DM, gossip blogs and those blogs dedicated to an obsessional hatred of Sparkle, seem to have ignored the issue of her trashy family and most don't give a tinker's curse that she left them behind. They are, after all, making money off her. So far, she seems to be winning that PR battle

Personally, I think Sparkle and her family deserve each other, and I'm under no illusions that leaving them behind is part of her ruthless self-reinvention process. But if you've seen any sign of that discussion in the MSM broadsheets, then you're reading something I've missed. Telegraph? TIMES? Independent? Standard? Maybe the Mirror, Sun, DM, but that's it and it's mostly the DM. And forget outlets like HELLO who never criticise anyone until they're caught boiling kittens for breakfast in front of the kids. So where have you seen ridicule and pillorying?

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Curls and buttons! I hope celebitches appreciate the irony.

Wait.

I thought there was someone walking between Sparkle and William.

But it's her downward slope hemline.

She looks like she's copying Kate. Except for the hemline. And Kate does it better.

What on earth has she got on her face?

Crossing her legs.

That's a no-no.

Rumor says the dress is Prada.

Add that to the total.

R145 and a belt too .

It does look like she has four legs in that picture, R146.

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The DM is really snarky. Loving it.

Headline: Duchess of Sussex unveils glossy curls just like Kate's

Is that a wig?

And then there's this.

What is it with the belts - she has no waist why emphasize it?

Yeah, it looks like Barbie hair. And that bronzer! There was an informal picture of Megs on a blog from a few years ago that a SUITS fan had taken and in it she was as pale as Kate, but suddenly she has to put on Oompah Loompah Orange to emphasize that she is a Woman of Color.

R136, the Close Male Friend who Harry was with in Lesotho is Adam (Bidwell?) Harry looked very happy, unlike when he's in the presence of his new bride.

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Crossing her legs?

She can't learn the most basic protocol.

Are you all sure she has a degree??????

The Queen's dress is the ugliest thing ever.

I don't know where to start with this , the buttons , the belt , the crotch wrinkles , the cut of the sleeves or the fact that it's asymmetrical but looks like a 6 year old did the design of it . Oh and it's a non colour again .

Her hair looks like a nylon wig from Ricky’s.

[quote]“At some moments [Meghan] uses some pseudo-infantile re-motivational techniques to look cute and slightly vulnerable but at others her smile looks more nurturing as she listens to a woman who is nearly three times her own age.”

[quote]“Meghan's pose here is pseudo-infantile, suggesting a desire to look young and quite cute in a bid to make a complimentary and favourable impression on the Queen.

Why does Harry do that Napoleon hand gesture ALL THE TIME?

To be fair, Kate has known the Queen a lot longer than Meghan. Of course they're better friends.

Officially, Kate met the Queen just few months before her wedding tho.

And she was not an actress.

No, but, look at this.... She just doesn't belong there, she's elsewhere, on the Xanax cloud.

I think her hair and makeup are pretty here. If her outfit didn't try so hard it would be fine. A straight skirt with a mid-knee hemline and voila - she's Jackie Kennedy. This outfit does fit her upper body better than her usual. These designers are trying to be edgy and it just looks like somebody couldn't cut straight.

You didn't see her blush R166.

R140, I think that is exactly what is going on. I think that is the BRF is avoiding her like the plague. What some people refuse to accept is that Sparkles wedding was not such that she could invite just any family member. The family members she invited had to be trusted to use discretion. Therefore, any person invited had to be trusted. Relatives on both sides of her family spoke about her publicly which eliminated any of them from being invited. Now her father will not shut up knowing what he is doing is embarrassing to his daughter and the BRF. I expect he wants a pay off but she cannot do that because then all of them will line up for the check.

She's in LaLaLand.

"I'm not here, me and Kate's buttons are riding a magical pink unicorn in Neverwhere. You can't catch me".

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Who do write Harry's speeches?

I know she has family but she does not trust them. What part of that do you not understand? People post on here all the time about cutting off their family for one reason or another and that is totally accepted. Her stepmother admitted that her children treated Sparkles badly and have to wonder if she had some negative experiences from the other side of her family. At the very least they are not close.

See, I told you she was going to make that boatneck her signature “thing”. And she does seem to be overly fond of stark black accessories for daytime. BROWN, honey. Brown. If not navy.

Her hair looks kinda nice, though.

Oh deah deah deah - another 1980s Mother of the Bride outfit, and I agree with whoever mentioned the term "Stepford" upthread. Buttons AND a belt and too much bronzer and her third blush coloured ensemble. There's a difference between looking well turned out and looking manufactured. And an Italian luxury designer, another non-British vendor.

Wait till the fraus on CB who have been merciless about poor Kate's fondness for buttons see this.

The crossed legs are undoubtedly to downplay their width (or the lack thereof) which would be more obvious with crossed ankles.

Our American cousins have the perfect mot for this look: "Phonier than a $3 bill".

The thing is , I never really felt that Kate's buttons where an issue or destroyed an outfit but this one here does have a button problem. There is no need for buttons on this dress/jacket thing and especially not two lines of larger buttons all over .

The Frauen on Celebitchy are full-on delusional R174: they fall all over themselves to fall all over Sparkle. When I (attempt to without barfing) read Celebitchy, it's the same feeling I get when I talk to Trump supporters, it's like we're seeing two different people.

R166 - The hair and makeup look all right from far away, but the DM, true to form, did a major closeup through the limo window and you can see that it is applied with a trowel. And, the buttons do pull at the bustline, just the way the Tropping bodice did (in fact, if I didn't know better, I'd swear she just changed up the sleeves to the Trooping top). And lastly, if you watch the video, her walk is as unroyal as can be, she looks like she's being seated in an upscale restaurant.

She cannot lose the aura of a woman playing a part.

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Her body language is stiff and facing away from the love of her life! Very disconnected. Fake, stilted look on face. At least she’s not doing the “look at me...I’m ADORABLE! Shtick.

Too much bronzer, why doesn’t she let her natural color be seen? This appearance seems to have shifted the dynamic to more solid ground. Instead of seeming uncomfortable together, there is obvious disconnect, she seems haughty and angry, barely holding on to dignity. He seems to have disengaged and moved away emotionally....why isn’t he faking interest at least? While in public.

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R180 - in that photo you can see why she applies so much makeup. Her skin looks very much nearly 37.

I think she got fillers or something. In today's pictures, she's got these pointy things poking out of her cheeks.

Hope she's not taking something too strong while trying for a baby. In some pictures today, she looks like one of those women in Ohio passed out over a steering wheel after shooting up, with a baby in the back seat.

R179 - Why, according to the DM, the newlyweds looks as "loved up as ever".

It’s SO weird, and telling, not one friend invited by Meghan to wedding. Just the PR friend of two years, who was referred as BFF. The one that stuck out her butt to steal her thunder on the steps... No friends from neighborhood, school, college, jobs? Fans or hired extras? Could she really be that vacuous and empty? What about all the friends she frequently travelled with from her blog? They were in the photos..did she hire them ? Harry invited at least two ex girlfriends to attend.

The asymmetrical hem is awful, particularly when you see her walking in the video. This suit needed a just above the knee straight skirt. The swinging cloth-y bottom looks as it belongs with a tea-dress, not a suit. And the belts have got to go. I do not know why this woman cannot obtain a beautifully tailored coat-dress with side seaming to take in the waist rather than the belts.

R184 - I believe several members of the "Suits" cast attended.

The Express already has a piece up of accusations that Sparkle crossed her legs in a disrespectful way against protocol.

I was just going to say... she doesn't know the form. You don't cross your legs. Your handbag goes on the floor. She's a consistent minor failure.

She's got a privileged life ahead that she connived for herself... she might at least do her job properly.

Oh, I didn’t hear that.

What about mom’s side of family then? Couldn’t she have allowed her mother to bring a friend or escort, plus one so she didn’t have to be alone at celebration? At least she would not have had to be the sole black person in attendance...not like she knew harry’s Family. I think it would have been considerate and proper.

I wonder what her mother was thinking during ceremony? She knows MM perhaps the best. She played it cool, seemed very pleasant, did not see joy or surprise, or pride....she must have seen through her machinations and social climbing..I get the sense they love each other, but have very different values.

Re: crossing legs..YES! I think it was intentional..either for pure attention from press, or flagrant FU. Even we know that is against the rules. Kind an attn seeking, Madonna thing to do.

R189 - Mom was the only viable candidate. The truth is, Sparkle separated herself a long time ago from both sides of the family. And whilst having Mum there was rather unavoidable (and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she sincerely loves her mother), it is my suspicion that as she transforms herself into a white English aristo who looks like Audrey Hepburn, the last thing she wanted was a phalanx of (much blacker) relatives who don't straighten their hair reminding the BRF, the guests, and the rest of Britain who she really is.

I don’t think it was a color choice on relatives? She just jettisons everyone when no use for them it seems...family, friends...Nothing personal, I’ve got no use for you. Her white side of family adored her, esp her father from interviews...no idea about mom’s family..maybe she moved to California on her own for career, and didn’t see much...OR maybe MM learned ghosting and reinventing from her mom?! I don’t know, it’s just weird. Maybe she is unable to connect and have real feelings for others, not a psychopath but fakes emotion and entirely self-centered. Doesn’t hate or like anyone, just immaterial props in her life, like a plant or kitchen appliance

I think there were supposed to be 2 family members at the wedding but only her mother showed. Note that there was a empty seat on her mother's right. It was obvious when closer photos were taken of her mother which made it look like she was isolated.

Instead, the other family member was probably assigned to that seat.

R192 - "Maybe she is unable to connect and have real feelings for others, not a psychopath but fakes emotion and entirely self-centered. Doesn’t hate or like anyone, just immaterial props in her life, like a plant or kitchen appliance".

I think this is a very shrewd analysis.

It would have been nice for her if they showed up..unless it was MM’s Dad. And her father by all accounts indulged her, maybe manipulated into spending his money on her. Now he lives in rundown town, obese, drinking, possibly mentally ill, or some dementia. I can see her being embarrassed by family, especially in relation to BRF, but I think they acted out of frustration or anger at being left in past. She was the baby sister and doted upon. Only child to loving mom. She kept contact until she didn’t need anything from them. She is flashier, more pulled together, but that may be only difference. Very Mildred Pierce, Stella Dallas, or imitation of life!

MM was doing the buttons WAY before Kate!!

Is this her real hair?

The hair at r197 looks like Marilyn Monroe’s hair on the coroner’s table, only darker.

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The woman in red appears to be waiting to speak to PH, who is likely eyeing the help.

But, R199, this hem is only angled on one side.

Wonder how much the Prada suit cost.

Too much for what it looks like.

She always looks weird; either the neckline, sleeves or hem. Never a normal outfit.

You people are ridiculous.

R5, Unless Kate has no peripheral vision, she is deliberately ignoring MM.

I imagine Kate is of two minds - one, secretly rejoicing that MM is so vilified and her own stock has consequently risen a lot in comparison, and two, detesting MM for bringing the rabid public perilously close to realising that the emperor has no clothes, so why are we paying for their palaces and yachts?

The BRF is useless and Meghan will help people realizing they cost tons of money for little good.

R206, I know very well what Kate is thinking in R5. It is the look of a woman who is profoundly happy that she has eclipsed her rival.

R158 Her Majesty is 92. She is the Queen and has been for 64 years. She can wear what ever she likes.

So defensive, and for your information I'm not wearing some rejected wallpaper.

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She wears the pants in that relationship. The video handing out trophies shows her constantly trying to "direct" things, including Harry. For some reason the BRF want to use her to show they are modern and allowing her to break protocol to do it. It wouldn't surprise me if they let her cross her legs.

Fit is what us missing in her clothes. Nothing fits.

R202 - and that's bespoke Prada, at that.

What r159 , r166 and r185 said.

The suspense of it all.

At first glance I thought, Finally! here we go.

But, a millisecond later my eye took in the double breasted buttons AND belt. Suspense building, Will that be the only mistake? No, the hemline! The too - short sleeves!

Corrected outfit : Eliminate the belt. The too-short sleeves should have been brought down to just above the elbow. The DoS doesn't have the height to fool around with tricky hemlines. It's just. that. simple.

(Opinions vary on a just above the elbow sleeve length. I like them because they add a touch of sophistication and yet cover properly for a Duchess, especially in summer. Almost mistake-free Jackie O could get away with summer sleeveless and cap sleeves but, she wasn't ACTUAL royalty.)

I don't mind the color. If she were to out-bold QEII, she'd have been slammed for that, too.

*Sigh* I haven't given up yet.

R215 - Della: perhaps Sparkle needs to move away from attempts to emulate the (actually rather than mythically 5'7") Audrey Hepburn (several inches taller, tiny waist, long legs toned by years of ballet training) at the Larrabee garden party, and turn her eyes upon another style model. Any suggestions?

Re the sleeve length - Kate also often falls into the Dowdy Sleeve Pit, wearing between short and elbow length, which probably wouldn't even look good on Hepburn. Sleeveless, elbow-length, or full-length. Anything else doesn't even look good on ballet dancers.

The first inkling we had of the Hepburn Resurrected Look was the horrible black Emilia Wickstead with the little beret Sparkle wore to the memorial service at Manchester cathedral. Could have come right out of Hepburn's costumes for "Charade", only the little jacket and mid-calf skirt made Sparkle look like she was dressed up in someone else's clothes.

R216,

Thanks for your signature. I got it.

Now I will have the music in my head today.

R217 - Ah, Hepburn and Henry Mancini - you know they almost cut "Moon River" out of "Breakfast at Tiffany's"?

Hebburn, Givenchy, and Mancini.

Hebburn = Hepburn

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r216, "Any suggestions?"

Yes. I've argued that she needs to emulate Carolyn Bessette Kennedy's minimalism. Of course, the DoS isn't almost 6 ft. and, say 118lbs, as was CBK so, of course, she couldn't wear exactly what she wore

But still, she needs to find a UK designer that is "influenced", oh hell, copies Yohji Yamamoto, dials it back to be appropriate and modified and, stick with that.

The DoS, must avoid ruffles, froo-froos, prints, belts and go for an almost severe look. It can be done with flair and wit, but she needs to be willing.

I think the DoS has stuck in her head an image or look that is wrong for her, but she can't let it go.

Emilia Wickstead claimed MM,s wedding dress was a copy, but more expensive

R220 - you should send the idea to her. Agree with your last sentence: she's dressing herself like a fantasy duchess doll.

Jealous?

Love you Della

I saw pictures where Kate has crossed her legs as well. I will look for a link.

Smoooches, r224.

Bitch needs some Della in her life. (I’m always here to read what Della has to say.)

💜💜💜💜💜💜 Della for a long time now

Of course the advice is absolutely correct. Evidently someone told the DoS her clavicles were her stunning feature and she’s decided 5i go with that.

I think she’s trying to appear wider at the shoulders with the boatneck, hoping her waist will appear smaller in contrast.

She'd have to have wit to apply it to her wardrobe. Wearing Princess Leia's costume to her wedding was not on purpose.

Face it the girl doesn't have a point of view, just ambition.

Truth be told I don't mind her clothes much of the time - her neutrals look good and fairly simple - the toile bedspread didn't work - but she loves those loopy hems and shoes that don't fit.

She's in over her head and fast tracking toward Princess Michael territory as the villain of the piece.

What I don't understand is why MM even wanted the position. It just seems to be restrictive rules and public scrutiny. She could have gotten the perks just by yachting and maneuvering herself into marriage with a billionaire. I know I'd rather have Pippa Middleton's life than Kate's.

R231 She wanted visibility and fame and she thinks the restrictive rules somehow will not apply to her. She definitely did not count on this backlash.

I am not so sure she really cares, I know I wouldn't.

You wouldn't care if the whole world was saying you were a con artist and a fraud, and sneering at your bald spot and your wig and jeering at every one of your fashion statements? And posting all your secrets and your topless photos for all to see? You must have thick skin, R233.

Agree she tries to make her waist look smaller by wearing the boat necks. She is also trying to make her waist look smaller by wearing a belt. She is very thick waisted. And if you try to imagine her white dress without a belt, I think you will see it looks better with a belt because she would look very wide in the waist with the white shirt dress. It just wasn't a good choice of a dress.

Well, she started out in her pursuit of the Royal Family job by attacking the British press and getting Harry to do the same.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

That behavior right there shows you she is not very bright.

She must have been playing by Show Biz rules.

But the UK media are playing a long game and have very long memories and publish every single day. The DM must have a staff of people just creating their thinly (very, very thinly) veiled headlines full of snarky comments. Add to that that they seem to be the most prolific place for photos which gives them the right to publish whatever pictures of you they choose. And comments galore about your clothes, hair, shoes, jewelry, designers, costs, etc.

If she ever picks her nose in public, rest assured that shot would be worth millions.

She is so pretty, but those beige neutral colors do nothing for her. It so fucking boring. Nobody can top Diana on her fashion sense. Yes it was the 80s, but it was fun colorful, a bit rebellious and adventurous. I feels she wants to do the Carolyn Besette minimalist chic, but it’s not working. Carolyn had an it factor as well. Meybe height influences a lot, Diana and Carolyn were very tall.

^ I loved Diana fashion sense! She was so pretty and modelesque.

I found her neutral color preference so boring. She has a nice skin tone that could hold more color, I think the neutral colors washes her.

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Angelina looks amazing! Kate and Meghan should take notes. Also Angelina’s face helps a lot, she is incredibly gorgeous.

Angelina looks SKINNY! And those skinny legs.

But she is skilled at selecting clothes that draw the eye away from her flaws (bad legs) (except for that silly on the carpet leg slit pose some years back which was thoroughly mocked).

^ yes she is so skinny. It’s weird that people or gossip news don’t talk so much about her skinniness, I can only imagine in person how she looks if in photos she Looks so skinny.

Um...this is skinny, r243 and r244.

I loved the Prada outfit.

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What was she supposed to do, R236? The media were always going to rip her apart. They are always ready to pounce on Kate, and Carole is rumoured to have connections with the press. If any of them starts picking their nose in public, they will publish the pics, no matter what. They are actually more likely to be more careful with Meg now, because, thanks to the letters, any critique of her is automatically considered racism. It was a very smart move on her part. It could have been so much worse. Especially since she knew better than anyone how many people she stepped on on her way up were ready to talk and sell pictures. It is interesting that the only one she seems to have silenced is her ex-husband - it was reported he was producing a show about their marriage, and then suddenly he’s not and there were rumours he’s been paid off. She didn’t do that with any of her relatives - either she doesn’t have enough money or she knows they are a bottomless pit and it will never be enough with them. Or she thinks they cannot do as much damage as her ex and she just chose the lesser evil.

My crazy Jewish friend called skinny guys “fliggle“. She said it meant “chicken legs” in Yiddish, but “flügel” is German for “wing”, so I’m assuming something got mixed up for her “pulkes” are chicken legs.

Anyway, whenever I see MM’s (or Saint Angelina’s), I think “fliggle”.

Why am I not surprised that one of her knees is hyperextended at R245?

Don't insult that lovely bird, 250.

R234, Nope I would not care. When people talk about me I always remind myself that I must be of importance for people to use their precious time to discuss me. It is almost as if I am providing a public service by bringing some excitement to what must be a boring existence.

Harry's wearing a new beaded African bracelet, which usually signifies he boinked another bird, so maybe Megs' thousand-yard stare was chemically induced.

Well, Megs is wearing new diamond and pearl earrings that we're a gift from The Queen.

Clarence House released their report (actually, attempted to bury their report) that the spending on the young royals (William, Kate, Harry Meghan) has increased a tremendous amount and this was before the wedding.

But those earring probably weren't gifts from the queen, they were from the jewelry company Megs has been merching and when called out they suddenly became "gifts from the queen."

If, as reported, the courtiers are calling her "Meghan the Menace" and Charles nickname for her is "Tungsten" I'm guessing things aren't all that peachy at the palace despite the lavish spending on the RF's newest wannabe star.

Actually, Meghan was given a pair of earrings by the Queen that was a pair matching Her Maj. She wore them on their first outting alone together.

Those are the earrings I'm referring to, R256. They were from the Canadian jeweler Meghan's been merching. When called on it, they became the queen's gift.

Where was she called on it R257? First she's wearing samples and cast-offs, but now a jeweler is copying the Queen's things. It doesn't make sense.

With Meghan's skin tone, she could wear brighter colors. It is important to not upstage the Queen, who wears very bright colors so she can be seen by the crowd.

Kensington Palace will announce the pregnancy within 6 months.

R213, Harry married an older woman for her to take charge. So she is.

R237, Height is all.

The Windsors are about to revert back to the short genes with MM.

There are reports this is MM’s 3rd marriage...first was short-term to a man from college, sev real years. He is a criminal lawyer now. It was annulled.

The merching troll has got to be one of the most determined yet dull trolls we've got.

That merching troll is relentless and who cares, anyway? MM's fashion missteps are far more interesting.

Where's the botoxed Mulroney nightmare or has she been deep sixed? Somebody's got to help the poor girl buy a pair of shoes that fit. Though heaven knows it would be fun to watch her do a face plant at some big affair

The merching troll is insane. I've forgotten more than he knows.

Nobody. Not a soul cares about any of the Mulroney's, r255.

Meant, r266.

Is her wax figure a better dresser!?

That looks like the fundie shiplap frau at r270.

I am loving that Meghan is shaking things up instead of just conforming. I really hope she is "merching" and so should the taxpayers. I guess "merching" is one way to be feminist.

Well, she's kind of fucking things up, but I can't quite call it shaking.

We have the deranged fraus at Royal Dish to thank for the "merching" troll and the "nutMeg" troll.

Fucking up, shaking up is the same thing to me. I am not about preserving that archaic monarchy. Sometimes I think neither is Prince Harry. Maybe Meghan is his long con.

Well, she’s a con alright. PH wax figure looks happier than real man.

Another thread that has me thinking. In a way, I find her flaunting the rules disrespectful.

On the other hand, I’m a woman and still constrained by the disapproval of other women. It really sucks. Sometimes I do what I want and shake it off. But I can sort of root for MM when it comes to crossing her damn legs versus ankles.

. Worried about how someone crosses their legs. Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

It’s fine to shake things up, but disrespectful to do so as it reflects on the RF. Plenty of ways too make a mark without being rude. When she represents the RF in other countries, for instance, it is incumbent for MM in her role, to observe and respect societal norms and adjust to specific cultures.

[quote]💜💜💜💜💜💜 Della for a long time now

YESSSSSSSS.

Get a grip, r280.

She is not shaking up things.

If she does it's on a very surperficial level. Having a real job and not sponging the BRF would be really shaking things. Being a full time volunteer would too.

Her being a rebel means slut strands, bespoke clothes, showing legs and merching. Yeah, such a rebellion.

Give it up R282. Your comments are pathetic. She's got a Prince, and you? Merch your prolapsed asshole.

R283 Are you not tired to show off your homophobic side?????

It is obviously rebellious because you are clutching your pearls while your panties are tied in a knot.

We're mocking her, we're not in awe.

We're not praising her ass for being a free spirit, we mock her bespoke mess and ££££ wasting in bad ugly clothes.

You're just pressed cause she's not what her PR was promising. She's morphing into an other Kate, not an other Sophie who does great work and is elegant without a big budget.

Even Kaiser who has been kissing her ass for months is slowly realizing she's not the person her PR pretended she was. So now the Sugars are butthurt cause they have been conned.

Still waiting for the call out on Meg's earrings from The Queen. Where is the "merch" outrage, other than this one crazy poster? Links, please. LOL.

Just wait for next year Royal expense darling.

You have two solutions:

1. Chuck paid for everything and people gonna be outraged cause girl has some big luxury taste,

2. Chuck didn't paid or didn't pay much and people will start asking who paid for the bespoke clothes and diamonds.

The royal expense for Young Royal increased more then 1 million £ last year when they were just engaged, wait for next year when the expense will increase several millions just because Harry married her.

Whether you (or the Sugars) are in awe or mocking you still spend your time commenting on every part of her personal life that you have access to.

Block the merch troll and most of the posts here vanish. What a pathetic person.

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Her correct style is whatever is expensive "high fashion" that was financially out of her reach before she got married.

Meghan would look good in cornflower blue.

I'm (one of the) merching trolls and I'd posted a grand total of 8 posts out of the 293 posts.

tl;dr - In addition to being psycho-fans, Megs' sugars can't grasp basic arithmetic. It's OK though, because Mommy does it for them.

Royal Dish is boring and slow, the linked blog is where the action is.

Yeah, I'm also boring, but I was the first to know (courtesy of said blog) that our Megs has hired Madonna's former assistant. How regal. Maybe the assistant is also a dialect coach, and we know how that turned out for Vadge.

Also, that Our Haz, on his recent solo (well, except for a Close Male Friend) trip to Africa, also went to the country he takes chicks he wants to bed, and returned with a beaded love bracelet, the type he gives chicks he's just bedded, including Our Megs after she went to Botswana with him on their third date.

Her real nose.

Her ski slope nose now.

In some photo comparisons, Harry resembles his mother.

Georgie looks a bit like Kate's father.

A hilarious photo shop of Nutmeg.

Same close set eyes, same nose and freckles.

Diana and Harry have similar expressions.

I don't think she's this bad but this cartoon made me laugh.

Angelina did it better.

Meghan's hair was actually quite nice here. WTF happened to it?

I guess Sparkle wasn't paying attention when she was "tutored" about how to behave at those royal walkabouts.

You're not supposed to hold the flowers someone was kind enough to give you like you can't wait to dump them in the trash.

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Or this.

Or this.

Kate gets it too.

So, get with the program, Sparkle.

R303 shows Sparkle's flower holding technique.

Love the MM legs.

William resembles Diana.

Ha ha, the too-big shoes, r312!!

And Charles' big red nose, r314.

Notice the royal corgi chomping on MM's leg like it's a steak bone, r314.

Harry looks like MARY!

god damn it

But that article is pulling totals out its ass. It's all taken from the label pr.

Unless we see proof that someone on Meghan's team paid actual MONEY for the clothes estimated at blah blah blah, it's all bullshit bullshit bullshit. The labels are going to push it as high as they can, even when the clothes are poorly fit, unpressed, suspect in every way. Let's see the article sources, and the labels themselves are not reliable, nor is "someone at the palace" as that someone is always Meghan or her familiar.

I don’t agree that Angelina pulled the look off better. Her hair is pulled back, but it’s too severe. She looks embalmed. Her shoes are tacky.

I’m talking about R303

R184

Meghan had plenty of old friends at her wedding, including her blonde college friend (Meghan was a bridesmaid at her wedding). The flower girl sisters (Meghan's god-daughters) and the page boy twins and their sister are the children of Meghan's close friends.

The Suits people were there. She's known them for 7 years.

I want to know why Princess Alexandra, the Queen's cousin wasn't invited.

I think it's weird that Harry's ex GFs were invited. How would Harry feel if Meghan invited her ex-husband and the chef?

The Markle relatives are disasters. Doria's side seem like nice people but it could have been a case of invite one and then you have to invite the whole lot.

R 321 - Princess Alexandra of Kent was there at the wedding. There is a photo of her on the Princess Alexandra thread.

Regarding flower protocol, if a child gives you a small bouquet, they are usually kept and held by the royal during the public event.

If a royal goes on a walkabout and she/he is given multiple flowers, they are given to an assistant of some kind so at least one hand can be free to shake hands with others. The person is usually a lady-in-waiting for a female royal and a private secretary for a male royal. I've heard that most of the flowers are then sent to hospitals and the like.

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^ Meghan

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Looking at the flower pictures, all the other royals are holding the flower bouquets up, in front of them. So the giver can see that they have been appreciated.

Except Sparkle.

She holds them dangling down her side like she wants to drop them in the trash the first chance she gets.

She seems to alternate between insecurity and dominance, R326. She must be reading her press, which in her new life, is the absolute worst thing you can do.

[quote] Who leaves his bride after only a month and four days after the wedding to go to his Safe Space? In Africa, no less? With his Close Male Friend? With whom he looks much happier with than his new wife?

You people are idiots. Harry's trip to Africa (Lesotho) was paid for by his very own charity (Sentebale). There's a 99.9% chance that his trip to open up the school (or whatever it is) was a trip that had been planned. He was there to open the school. You fools can't seriously believe he had them build the school overnight so he could get away from his new wife?

Harry started the charity about 10 years ago. He goes there (Lesotho, Botswana) many times a year. One year he went for a few months. He doesn't publicize his trips there. Harry has had polo matches for his charity. If you ever see pictures of him (and William) playing polo matches you will see the name of Harry's charity on their shirts. They may be events for other charities, but when he plays polo he makes sure his charity gets a share of the funds raised.

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I think it's pretty obvious H and M are reading their press. At times they look as if they're wondering if people are going to throw tomatoes at them. They've both been loved their whole life...and now...

Damn, that woman has skinny legs.

If she was smart, clothes wise, she's wear a pair of wide leg trousers.

But, instead, we get a thousand dollar dress.

$$$$$

Her clothes look cheap. Even the Givenchy stuff looks like something women (older women) would have worn in the 1980's.The cloth covered buttons? They reek of cheapness. And to find out that she's spent close to $100,000 of these clothes is almost a crime

Honestly, I could find nicer things for her at my local Goodwill. She would be much wiser to go to a nice department store and buy something off the rack. The clothes would fit better and she would look a 100% nicer

William resembles Diana but that damn Windsor (Saxe Coberg Gotha) no chin horse teeth gene will not be denied. It's as pervasive as the lower face of Donald Trump's kids. All three of Trump's wives had bone structure even before they had plastic surgery. They all had chins and jawlines. Yet Trump's lower face gene prevails. Maybe finally bringing in Kate Middleton will help. George looks like Kate (and Michael Middleton) not the Windsor side. Charlotte at this point appears to resemble the queen - eyes and smile in particular - but in profile she has a chin. I hope it holds up.

I don't think she spent that much money. Even the wedding dress, the designer's rationale was very strange. "Oh, it was 400k because it was the royal wedding." Sort of implying that the same dress for another wedding would be cheaper. No, idiot, it's opposite. Because it's a royal wedding, a lot of money is often spent for a high quality garment. It's not, here's a hastily sewn, poorly fit dress we're going to charge half a million for because it's your wedding in particular. Doesn't work like that.

None of her clothes look like she purchased them. She is out there getting freebies and loaners, including the wedding dress. I bet that dress cost nothing to make - the little bridesmaids dresses too, which weren't lined and had rolled hems. All of her clothes look like she has some rich matron aunt who doesn't go out anymore and gives Meghan her clothes, and Meghan picks the ones that are the least ridiculous, but none of them look like her actual clothes. She's just doing a trade off - she wears it, then the label is justified saying oh what she is wearing is worth a fortune. It's stupid, short sighted, and will backfire on the labels and on Meghan. A lot of the labels she wears are struggling (Givenchy ain't Givenchy anymore).

Charlotte is a Carole Middleton mini-me, r334.

Wow, she is! And here Tom and Lorenzo swear Charlotte and QEII have the same face. But when I look at pictures of 3 year old QE II, not so much. But Carole Middleton - absolutely.

Charlotte looks more and more like Carole Middleton in these recent pics. Carole has very heavy lidded eyes and a thin, broad mouth just like Charlotte.

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Does anyone know why Ivy Mulroney didn't have a halo of flowers like the other flower girls? She had a few flowers clipped on her half-ponytail in the back.

Did her flower garland halo break or was it uncomfortable and she didn't want to wear it? Was she meant to be different from the other girls?

The fighting sisters are hilarious. they are Meghan's god-daughters.

Nobody cares about any of the Mulroneys, r340. No one.

R339

eta: He's got the same physique only with beefy legs.

R338 I think Charlotte looks more like the Queen. Sometimes she looks like a mixture of Carole and the Queen.

In some photos, she's starting to look more like George (and Kate's dad). That would be the best result.

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R318 Queen Mary has uglier hair than Meghan.

DL hair stylists: Is Meghan wearing extensions in this Kensington Palace garden engagement photo or it her natural hair?

Does her hair look bad now after the wedding because:

1. She is no longer wearing extensions due to time constraints or not being able to find a good hair stylist.

2. Her hair is fried from too many Brazilian Blowouts.

3. The London weather is wreaking havoc on her hair.

She looks much better with a side part. She looks good with the part on either side. I assume she stopped wearing the side part because of her bald spot. In her past photos, she frequently went all of her to one side, thus making her hair appear thicker than it really was.

[quote] Charlotte is a Carole Middleton mini-me

How unfortunate. Carol and pan faced Pippa are nothing to write home about. Kate and her brother were very fortunate to not take after their mother

I think I posted that video of Megs trying to grab Harry's hand on one of the threads today, r344. This is not new.

I posted the hand holding attempt at r326, r344. There wasn't much commentary on it. I find it odd that for a TV 'actress', now reportedly being intensively schooled in royal protocol, that she instinctively reverts back to her safe space of grabbng Harry. It's like her brain isn't engaged or she doesn't take what courtiers are telling her to do seriously. She looks like a fish out of water.

It took her awhile to become an experienced actress who is able to appear at public events. She is just reverting back to that when she's nervous. Crossing those legs like that was PURE ACTRESS and would have been perfect if she were at an event for television

They should have her appear at events where she won't be photographed. And let her get used to royal life that way

Remember after Kate and William got married, they went to live in Wales and lived a comparatively quiet life out of the public eye.

She crosses her legs that way to cover up the lack of calf muscles and to try to make her short stature look elongated when sitting, r350. Simple stuff.

[quote] She crosses her legs that way to cover up the lack of calf muscles and to try to make her short stature look elongated when sitting, [R350]. Simple stuff.

You don't do that in front of the Queen. The only people I've ever seen do that are actresses. And the very first person I've ever seen do that was trashy Ivana Trump on Oprah back in the early 1990's

Obviously, the rowdiness exhibited by two of the flower girls clearly happened as they were leaving the church, not entering.

Such behavior would not have been tolerated had my brother and I been present.

The sisters from the colonies have dubious understanding of their roles and consequently, any subsequent visits to our territory will not be permitted.

Fine, r353. Doesn't change the fact that Megs is obsessed with her skinny legs.

I am dying to see how this plays out...and I am not a big celebrity follower...it’s like a soap opera. ridiculous acting, fantastical plot, ambition, underlying motives, machinations, huge egos, all played out on a world stage. Who’s playing who, is anyone sincere? It’s like Sammy Jo goes to the Royal family and left poor sweet gay Steven back on Dynasty. Note: Only one helluva a DLer can bring in Heather Locklear to this crazy family drama and make it WORK!

Yes, it's reminding me of the film 'The Prince and the Showgirl'...except MeMa is no MaMo. You just know how it's going to end, even if MM didn't plan it that way from the beginning. The marriage will crack under the strain of the public scrutiny and condemnation, and Harry will become progressively more bitter and disengaged at his unpopularity.

In the hand clutching video, did you see how he ripped his hand away and then steepled both hands, keeping them safe? Almost did a Melania, really.

It's strange how most of the Young Leaders were wearing black tie yet the Queen, Harry and Meghan had on street clothes. Abino activist, Sethu Mbuli, looks lovely in her dress. The dress seems almost like a mixture of art & architecture. I wonder who designed it.

lol, r356.

Sammy Jo was like 5’3” and she left her baby and gorgeous wealthy man to follow her dream of becoming a model!!! she was an attention ho, does anyone remember her inappropriate and hilarious sexy dance at the formal affairs Alexis yanked her off the floor. The queen should try that!

Here you go..

lol.

I think there's some Queen Mother in Charlotte too but there may be a lot of Carole. But kids faces change so much as they age.... hard to say who she will wind up looking like.

I think Charlotte looks like a monkey.

r365 = Roseanne on Xanax. Again.

Brazilian blowouts don’t damage hair like the old style of relaxers did. But extensions definitely do.

New York Post calling MM "a fashion disaster.'

r368, you will notice in the photo on the left, mm is ten to fifteen pounds heavier with good muscle tone in her legs.

kate middleclassdom also starved herself ten pounds lighter to become princess.

Her legs were always skinny, r369.

She looked better and healthier before. She’s delusional if she thinks she can wear clothes like a model. She is not willowy or lanky, it’s just not her body type. She is tiny, but seems to fight it. Her heels do not make her look better, in fact to me, it makes her look like she’s trying to hard. If she just accepted what she was blessed with, it would come across much better. The high stilettos do not flatter very thin and short women, in fact accentuates bird legs.

r356. i became interested in this saga because of datalounge. i watched the wedding 'with' dataloungers.

this scenario interests me more than it should. mm is a black chick but the only thing black about her is her mom, mm has an extended white trash family who cant stay out of the papers with their unruly,gras $$$ping antics!

Photo from time in Toronto. Skinny legs.

Yes, her calves and ankles were always slender...which I prefer over Britney’s linebacker legs. She just has to dress for it. Her arms, wrists and hands are also very delicate. The delicate jewelry suits her, with exception of weird finger rings.

Her hair looks more natural in outside pictures at times and others like a wig it’s weird. I say STOP with the bronzer!!! Immediately, hate it. Or is it spray tan? Her natural skin tone is better, suits her, obviously.

Her clothes don’t work but what bugs me is her mannerisms, hair in hands, then touching people, Germy! And gesticulating while speaking to people, hands and fingers point into their faces it’s rude and disrespectful. She isn’t a good representative for Americans in Europe...already often viewed as inconsiderate of others’cultures, uncouth, arrogant, loud, ignorant, and self-centered. I cringe a bit.

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stay away from givenchy, mm looks terrible in their clothes

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July 1st would have been Diana's 57th birthday. Harry and Wills should be making a visit to her grave instead of a polo match.

Mannerisms and crudeness will always be worse by Fergie, who has had decades of practice.

the boring royal lifestyle is one mm and km actively sought out.

It's funny...she looked happier and better in every way before she hooked up with Harry. Her clothes and hair looked very modern and cool, she seemed relaxed in her life. Now she's got this boring, restrictive life and everything she says, does or wears is picked to shreds.

I'd say the opposite, r381. MM is now a '"royal', has servants, holds no full-time paying job where she has to actually work to make a few dollars, has country homes here and there and a mansion in London. Dines in the best restaurants, seees the best concerts, flies on private planes to private and secluded destinations. All in all, not a bad gig.

Oh, and a few jewels to add to her collection every few months and she can pawn off the kids to nannies and go party and get manicures whenever she wants. I'd say she's happier than a pig in s***.

I know! That would be my nightmare, I wouldn’t survive the intense scrutiny! I’d run, for sure.

She’s not only a wife, but this is a full-time job with in laws. And they live together together, somewhat...servants too...she must never be able to be OFF, or have downtime. She also didn’t have much time spent with PH, in person. I can’t imagine she likes this. Her life was better before. However, let’s face it, unless she eventually found rich guy, she didn’t have much going for her. She aspired to jetset life, that takes money. Her career wasn’t going anywhere. Lucky to get that gig on cable show. Aging for entertainment industry z-list actress who loves the life. I think she saw that and began branding herself the few years leading to this marriage, to look good for prospective mate, or PH specifically...the humanitarian Schtick. I think she saw the writing on the wall.

Can you even imagine going to a third world country to “help” and have the audacity Andrew ego to pose for photos with little poor children in full makeup and styled wardrobe for photo op? How could you not feel like disgusting person and full of shame?

Well, the courtiers/servants call her "Meghan the menace". And she doesn't look relaxed to me; she looks nervous, eager to please, as if she's on trial. She can't do right for doing wrong, and I'm sure all is not hunky-dory behind the scenes either, as Harry is taking the heat as well. People are genuinely angry and want her to be gone.

Oh please, it's not even been 2 months since the wedding. "People" want her gone? Are you Trump?

You should read Megs' self-penned hagiography (for the dullards, that means "autobiography"), R383

Entitled "How To Be Both" it details in Megs own words, how a Z-list, 2nd-lead from a cable show can be both a red carpet Glamatarian, and a humble server of the world's poorest (but, as you note, dressed to the nines as she posed in front of little, brown or black people).

And yes, in 2014, she hired a British PR agency to raise her celebrity profile via humanitarian work. Megs is so struck by herself that she calls her one week in Rwanda "purpose-driven work."

Excerpts - remember, these are Megs' own words. And she lies, yet again, about the stupid dish soap commercial by which she claims to have started changing the world:

[quote] I’m consistently asked how I keep a foot in two contrasting worlds – one in the entertainment industry, predicated on wealth and indulgence, and the other in humanitarian work. To me, it’s less of a question of how can you do this, and more a question of how can you not? Below I share my candid thoughts on this very topic…My brain, heart, spirit couldn’t shift gears that quickly – from the purpose-driven work I had been doing all week in Rwanda, to the glitz and glamour of an award show – plus the pomp and circumstance that comes with it. “No,” my heart said. And it wasn’t a soft whisper to myself; it was a lion’s roar.

Note that in the NY Post story (R368) she's (aka a "Source") is now blaming her bad wardrobe choices on Kate (Kate's stylist at any rate). I don't believe that for a second.

Nor do I believe the too big shoes are because of a long, exhausting day on her feet. What baloney! I would believe that of some of the royals (Camilla is on record about finding shoes that work for her on public occasions), but not Sparkle. She's been wearing these clown size shoes almost from the beginning.

As for the 2nd polo outfit - those skinny jeans make her legs look even worse! She should be wearing wide leg trousers. More fashionable and they would disguise her thin, thin legs.

She got what she wanted. The barest research would have told her about what she could expect.

No sympathy at all from me.

I wonder if little Tom chatted up Meghan.

FML, forgot the pic.

Everything she says sounds like it's from a mug cradlers' list!

I think she wanted this to happen, made it happen, and had no fucking clue about what the life would really be like. She seems anxious in the company of the family, her fashion choices are more miss than hit, and the press has been mixed at best... less than a month on from her marriage.

She overplayed her hand. She should have been the public girlfriend for a year or two and then, with a broken heart and weary of the racism, decided she simply could not carry on, so she let him go. What a saga she could have acted out. And got more roles, too. She blew it. She's the villain if she goes and the villain if she stays... the question is which one will be easier to live with.

All current issues are within her power to fix. Request a royal stylist and take better notes regarding decorum.

Come on now, Meghan.

Being a long distance girlfriend to Harry was not in her playbook, r391. Too many risks from her standpoint. The fact that she didn't even give Harry (according to him) enough time to spit out his marriage proposal tells you everything you need to know about The Duchess of Sussex.

I just saw this at Target. It was lying on top of the candy bars at the checkout, so apparently someone came to their senses at the last minute.

I disagree... however it played out and whenever it ended, she was Prince Harry's ex... she had more profile from the first shot of them together than she'd had in all her prior career. She didn't have to do this to advance her interests, about which many argue there is ample track record of interest being advanced. She didn't think it through.

Everyone has different motivations, r395. I think MM wanted in with the BRF, desperately wanted the associated marital/social/economic constraints or structure that comes along with that. Any professional entertainers I've ever read or seen interviewed do not wish their children to follow their paths into the brutal, highly competitive and exploitive industry called 'Show Business.'. MM was aging out fast in the industry and leveraged the little bit of notoriety and connectons she had made during her brief stint in Canada and Canadian social circles to nab Harry.

There was not much else left for her here in Canada except to eventually return to her home country - the U.S.

Spot on dear DLers!

Dunno about that, R396. Tons of celebs' kids become "actors" or especially "models" with their parents' connections, without which they wouldn't have stood a Chinaman's chance. Eg, Lily-Rose Depp, the Jagger kids, Rafferty Law.

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R375 Amal's legs are long but not attractive.

Remember how at the beginning of her marriage, she had the hems of all of her dresses taken up to a ridiculously short length?

Amal's too long hair, too heavy makeup, and almost always red lipstick looks really dated to me.

MM is such an embarrassment and makes all Americans look bad by association. But it doesn't have to be this way. Harry and Wills' old friend Guy Pelly married an American heiress from Tennessee, Lizzy Wilson. She fits in perfectly in all aristocratic events and there hasn't been a word of criticism about her.

MM is not the child of a celeb, r398.

Let's see your legs, r400.

R402, it was in reply to the post upthread that said that most people in showbiz do not want their children to enter that field. But actually, MM's father was in the entertainment industry and she spent a great deal of time on tv and film sets.

Bump

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Pa Markle was not a celeb, r404. For the last time.

She made her bed and now she can lie in it.

I think Amal has nice legs. She, is an odd example of the exact opposite of MM. She was accomplished, intelligent, and morphed into tacky, grasping attention ho seeking celebrity. Tragic!

According to Hello UK, Meghan will make some appearances at Wimbledon.

Correct, r402. She’s the grandchild of a celebrity.

What do you think of this buttoned and belted look on Kate, and wrinkly. Better or worse than MM’s Prada ensemble?

And a who wore it better...or MM inspiration

I like Kate's button and buckle number - assume it was late in the day on engagements so I give her a pass on the wrinkles - but I also liked Markle's Prada number... for the most part simple, clean and fitted.

I love my legs!!! I need to sit here and send out the vibe, times a wastin, getting too old to play coy.

Here

Yesterday I was on Governor's Island and they were holding a "Pink-nic" on the other side. One of the guys on the ground promoting it told us it was a half-assed concert and not worth the money. However, there was a regular stream of people coming off the ferry to attend. Not high rollers (going by hair, shoes, and clothing), but "dressed up" in that mauve-y pink people pretend is "Millennial pink." It was everywhere. So ugly. It instantly reminded me of a Banana Republic season when it went all on in that salmon-y color and nobody bought it. So Meghan the fashion trailblazer is wearing the same color popular with tatoo'd visitors from jersey dressed up in their polyester best with flip flops.

Meghan was seat hopping all over the joint at Wimbledon 2016. At one point, adjacent to where Cressida Bonas was sitting, she was obviously asked for her pass. The expression on her face as she showed it and everyone around her craned their necks was just steaming anger. Then she showed up in the Serena Williams family box and sat right between Serena's mother and a family member, with the mother giving her a "WTF?" look. She is successful at being pushy because she ignores rejection, ignores humiliation (like being called out in front of everyone at Cressida's seating area) and is just impervious to shame. She believes she belongs wherever she wants to be, credentials or no credentials, and I think believes she can take whatever she wants as well. People wish Harry had married someone better, but the someone betters did not want Harry. Harry ended up with Meghan because that's the woman he is "worthy" of at this point. He hasn't made himself eligible for anyone better. Nobody wants to marry an asshole who is going to cheat, then be a big emotional man boy, then be a demanding cheat again, and is also cheap, and it's supposed to be great for you because he's a prince. Not if they have options.

R418—If she so pushy, life must be hell for her right now. There is nothing she can do to outshine the queen, Camilla and Kate. She’s not gonna be allowed to push in there at all

For the last time, R407, it was in response to R396. No one said MM was the child of a celebrity. However, it is likely her career was helped by her father's connections.

Well, if her father's connections helped, girl has to work on her gratitude.

Not for lacking of trying, or lack of leaking, R419.

I don’t think she realizes that at these events, no one is there to see her. They want to see what she’s wearing, but Harry is the main attraction. She tries to make up for this fact by flinging her hair around, waving her hands, and walking along with Harry like she’s his equal. She needs to learn to cool her jets and take a backseat - if she can.

I still would like to see the video from the Queen's birthday concert where Princess Anne was rearranging the seats.

Sparkle and Harry ended up at the back on the side.

The obvious members of the RF were front and center.

Did Sparkle try to grab a better seat?

Princess Anne would have had none of that if she had.

R417, I call that “Pinterest Pink”. The basic bitches who love it call it “blush”.

It reminds me of “Harvest Gold” because of its baffling ubiquity and nearly universal unflattering-ness.

Naturally, MM loves it.

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Absolutely, r417! Lots of millennial for Meghan. A friend of mine used to call that "Band-Aid color."

Here, R416.

I don't think Meghan wants to learn the so-called job. The one thing I credit her for is she has to know she's not much of an actress. She got the Suits job for whatever reason, clung to it with both fists for seven years, and leveraged, merched, pr'd the fucking hell out of that job to get access and connections. Her big "get" was 1) her boyfriend, Corey, the connected chef, and 2) the Mulroneys. Neither level of connection would have been possible if Suits filmed in L.A., but Toronto is a smaller pond. Even so, it took brass balls. She knew she wouldn't get another acting job, so while the getting was good she wanted a status man (more status than her husband) and to elevate her profile so she could be an "influencer" and the type of celebrity famous for being a celebrity, AND class it all up by being a glamanutarian.

Her Achilles' heel was her age. She didn't get Suits until she was 29, and all the maneuvering, leveraging and positioning took some years, piling on the age, so the stakes kept going up. It makes sense she'd just go balls to the wall to secure the future she wanted.

While being Duchess may seem as if she succeeded beyond her wildest dreams, she may have outplayed herself and actually backed herself into a corner.

R425, I think the concert was called "Pink-nic" because there was a rose' wine tie in. But that is an UGLY color. I saw so many body types in it and it was just flat against everybody. Even if the clothes hadn't been mostly cheap crepe, and had been better made, there is no saving that color. Bandaid pink is a good name for it.

R334, George has the pince nez that toddler William had. IOW, when he hits his 30s, George's nose will resemble his father's.

Does the hate EVER exhaust you people. An occasional hate-fest is OK, but you should at least be witty about it so as not to appear soooo pathetic!

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R426, Oprah is so over the top.

Spot on r429. Absolutely agree.

Megs was hunting for a man in the UK long before she set her sights on Harry. Why would an American actress living in Canada hire a UK PR agency (already connected to the BRF) to raise her humanitarian profile?

And a British journalist had an article in the DM in which she talked about how, a few years ago, Megs had asked her about famous, wealthy UK footballer Ashley Cole as a prospective romantic partner.

Megs also had a "friendship" with the Northern Irish golfer, Rory McIlroy.

Then Dim Harry landed in her lap, or was introduced to her via her "activities" at Soho House.

She's in way over her head -typical narcissist - think they can handle anything. The courtiers are already calling her "Meghan the Menance" and yet she doesn't seem to have slowed down her spending at all.

I give it two years, but it might be even less given that Harry already has been off to his Love Nest in Africa, returning with another infamous Love Bracelet. Meg better hope that he's given her the matching one.

Canada - was the perfect launching pad for the U.S. aging actress MM's sudden ascent into Canadian and international social circles.

I think she was always sniffing around for an introduction to Harry. Any other enquiries along the way, i.e, British footballers, etc were just mechanisms for her entree to the 'ELITE' - the royals. MM got a taste for Canada's reverence for the BRF and she made that her mission as incredicle as it may sound.

Canada is a small population compared to the U.s. which was prime foundation to access Justin Trudeau. No one - especially a foreigner - infiltratrates to that level socially in Canada. At least not until Justin .......

'infiltrates' and 'incredible'

I wonder if she would have auditioned for Tom Cruise given the chance?

What's the problem with being pushy?

Yes, you have to to speak up.

Yes, you have to flash those legs (even if most people think your legs are too skinny to be seen).

Yes, you have to push on doors that are closed to you.

And even with all that pushing and shoving and not knowing your fucking place, doors will remain closed to you.

You will be told "no" over and over again.

Successful people (however you define success) are those resilient enough to endure a lifetime of being told NO repeatedly and in the nastiest of terms by others who do not want YOU to be any higher than the place that has been predetermined for you.

No one is going to give you anything because you sit back and think you'll ultimately be recognized for your talent, humility or your above average looks.

MM is above average looking, she's similar in looks to KM. MM looks like an ever so slightly tanned version of her SIL, KM.

I would never have known MM has any black ancestry at all if her extended white trash family hadn't been so vocal during the engagement.

A KM type has an advantage over a MM type in that she's British and was raised upper class. KM attended the same schools as the Windsors and dated her husband for a decade before securing the prize.

The British press nastily referred to KM as "KAITY WAITY" while Wills figured it out.

MM hasn't got all the nuances about the royal family down, she hasn't the same back story as KM and the Windsors.

MM may never figure these nuances out in her eagerness to "fit in" yet make her presence known.

Yes ,you have to ask for it, you have to beg for it and you have to take a lot of abuse to "fit in".

It amusing to ready Dim Harry was tricked into this marriage by a conniving, low-born, dusky temptress.

Harry and Wills have had pussy, dick and everything in between thrown under their noses all their lives by hordes of thirsty, hungry social climbing types.

They've seen it all- and don't think any of this has stopped just because they have married and sired three children.

too much money to look this bad

[quote] MM hasn't got all the nuances about the royal family down

Get real.

She's had months to get with the program.

She just doesn't give a shit. She took the job but thinks she doesn't have to do the job properly.

Am I the only one seeing strap lines on her skin in R441?

R440, Very good!

Does anyone actually think that she plans to stay long term. She plans to pop out a kid or two and then resumed acting career as Megan, Duchess of Sussex

R425, the colors are BASHFUL and BLUSH.

r441, thats what i mean. mm is looking bad these days when prior to her marriage she looked 1000xs better, more attractive and healthier.

kate middleclassdom wears dowdy church lady clothes too but she never looks bad.

This isn’t a hate Fest! You’re missing the point, it’s a fascination and disection of a con, and study in human behavior. It’s seeing through PR attempts at societal manipulation, and the players involved.

And you know you're right because. . .

Ambition, ego, and self interest of all involved. DRAMA darling!

I really think Harry will bail. But he will engineer it so MM does it, either by being difficult/not supporting her or cheating; classic ways of men getting out of r'ships without doing it directly. I think he would be shaken to the core at all the unaccustomed ridicule and villification coming his way after a lifetime of praise. I also think he hates being the new black sheep who has brought such discredit on the BRF's already very shaky status. He would find it painful that is close r'ship with his brother has changed due to the fact that Kate has likely distanced herself from association with Harry's unpopular new wife. They will not be the Fab Foursome.

R398 No need to use racial slurs.

Other than DL and a few tacky tabloids, everyone seems to be over the moon with Meghan. A few fashion mistakes, but all of the women have had them at some point. Hell, Fergie and those beast daughters make her look like the Duchess of Windsor.

Get a grip, SJW R452.

R454

STFU

Racial slurs aren't ok.

The tacky tabs both online and off have the highest readership in the UK, by far. I would say Britain and likely the ex-colonies are not over the moon over MM.

Chinaman is a racial slur? Do you have anything of interest to add to this thread?

Maybe R451. But Harry sold her to Charles, Gran and everybody else in their brief 14 month 'long distance courtship' so he's kinda stuck with her for a while. MM is going to hang on to him for dear life - no matter what. She ain't goin' nowhere. She's got nowhere to go either - which means she has zero leverage if worse comes to worse.

I think she”ll hang on but eventually, her goal as someone else said upthread, is to parlay this into the next phase...so she can be princess Di post divorce.

Is she in seclusion? No updates today?

She's picking out the curtains for her Cotwolds manor and upcoming tour to Australia, r460.

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That was tacky of him to air in public. It’s insulting to PH and his new wife, as well as the entire RF.

However, PH and others seem to see MM as very separate from her birth family..I wonder why? That’s her origin, they all seem quite opportunistic, she cleans up well, well, better than her family. However, cut from the same cloth..MM is better at self-presentation. That’s it

mr. halsam aint lying.

I imagine she'll be rather disappointed with the firm no with regard to borrowing from the royal collection in aid of her vajazzle idea.

From the looks of him, Mr. Halsam looks like a tired queen.

Excerpt from a DM 2009 inerview with Nicky Haslam:

"He tells me that he once had an illuminating conversation with Princess Margaret about the supposedly hated Mrs Simpson. 'She told me that it wasn't Wallis they all hated - it was Edward VIII. I thought that was incredible. They never forgave him for the way he treated the King [his brother George]. Wallis wasn't the reviled one. She was just the conduit.'"

Ooh, reach through the Internet and make me shut up, oversensitive ninny R455, you valiant crusader against imaginary slurs. See R457 for further help.

One reason that Meghan looks so bad could be that she went on a vegan diet before the wedding, eating non-vegan on weekends. It would explain the weight loss and her haggard look (besides sun damage, too heavy makeup, dark blush and orange bronzer).

The green P.A.R.O.S.H dress that MM wore during the TV interview after the engagement announcement suits her figure better than anything she's worn after the wedding. It has a high waist. Your eye goes up rather focusing on her boxy torso w/ thick waist.

Her wax figure is freaky.

That green dress on wax does look much better!

Been thinking about her hair and what style might look better.....but realized that if she didn’t have her hair, she wouldn’t be pretty...is that harsh? It’s really her best feature, except for her smile. I don’t think she could pull off another look. what do you think? Any suggestions?

[quote]Megs' self-penned hagiography (for the dullards, that means "autobiography")

I just adore people who try to sound erudite and just get it so wrong.

Hagiography:

the writing of the lives of saints.

adulatory writing about another person.

biography that idealizes its subject.

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[quote]Her wax figure is freaky.

Odd, they're usually a rather poor likeness.

I know!! Looks just like her.

On her outing with the Queen and Harry, when Meghan wore buttony Prada and made a faux pas of crossing her legs, she looked so waxy, you could swap her with her Madame Tussaud’s figure and no one would have noticed.

Just read on tumblr quotes from the fashion PR entity that supplied Jessica Mulroney with a whole bunch of clothing to help Meghan "transition" to BRF. The coat she wore at the engagement was a freebie. I think most of her wardrobe has been funneled to Jessica Mulroney and then onto Meghan, but because Mulroney only has relationships with trashy brands (which Givenchy is these days) or a relationship where labels offload last season's stuff to her, Meghan is not exactly in a position to truly customize her wardrobe or have a bespoke wardrobe - she gets sample sizes from labels Mulroney cultivated back when PH and Meghan got engaged.

Oh, do shut up you tedious fag.

Poor box shaped chicken legged Meghan wishes she looked like that @R433

R479 she’s going to keep going. Normal people aren’t positing in this thread. People who think she’s okay or people who don’t really care...they don’t tread here.

In this thread, we mainly have crazy, fashion-expert, elder-queens hilariously bickering with each other. It’s kind of the fun of this site, no?

Hey 479, go kick rocks, pound sand...beat it, dear.

478, now that makes complete sense! Mulroney is the middle man, we should have known from the war stripe makeup. I guess some consider her rather good at social climbing, self promotion, marrying up.

Yeah, it's just us dogging her about her fashion choices. That's why there was recently an article that she's been dressing like shit since her marriage.

Her family is trash, her father should know better than to give interviews. But I have to agree with him that if the Queen can meet Trump she can meet this man. Now sources are saying Harry might never meet him because of the interviews. Who the fuck do these people think they are? It's his wife's father. You can't even meet him? Maybe if they met him he would shut up. They are really not handling this well. You know Meg isn't talking to him. Isolating him will make it worse. Like bad attention is better than no attention. And who the fuck does Harry think he is? He's a guy that a lot of people still think is not the son of Prince Charles. They are just not that special that Harry and his wife can't meet him in private.

It's too late now. They should have talked to the family and paid them off before the engagement became public. If they had done that, no one on the Markle side of the family would be trying to embarrass her and capitalize on it. Now nothing is stopping them from giving interviews every week. Meghan lost that war, because she foolishly thought she could just ditch them and they would go away.

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If I were Meghan I would avoid him like a case of syphilis. If Harry and Meghan were to meet him, he would only use that meeting to sell them in some way at a later date. They are trash and Merkle was right to not invite them to the wedding.

What? No comment on the canary yellow potato sack?

I think the yellow dress fits her quite nicely.

The yellow sheath dress comes out as a 'bargain' - only $1500, which I guess is an improvement over the usual $8000 Givenchy she's been sporting.

Unofficial. No formal relationship. No commercial relationship. Purchased. Purchased. Purchased. We even used “slightly negative,” despite thinking it was a rather transparent and over the top.

Now let’s get going with that royal warrant like Jessica promised, okay?

[quote]The fairy godmother in this particular fairy tale is Jessica Mulroney, a well-connected fashion consultant known for styling Markle and, unofficially, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau. Birks hired her in 2011 as its “jewellery style expert” to share “tips with Birks clients as well as the press.” Birks no longer has a “formal relationship” with Mulroney, Hartling says, but they work on projects together. (Mulroney’s five-year-old daughter, a bridesmaid in the royal wedding, has appeared in Birks ads.) Mulroney introduced Markle to Birks, says Hartling, who adds the company never had a commercial relationship with the actress: “Meghan liked the line and purchased pieces,” she says. Markle’s “entourage” requested jewellery for her mother for the wedding, which was purchased, she says.

[quote]Hartling sees the duchess’s connection to Birks as “positive” and “slightly negative” for the company: “On one hand, the exposure is a textbook example of what organic PR should be: a consumer who fell in love with the brand becomes the best-known person on the planet.” The free press also aids the company’s stated goal to become a “global luxury brand.” Discussing the “slightly negative,” Hartling is cautious: “Obviously we’re not complaining,” she says. “But all messaging pertaining to Birks right now has to do with the duchess wearing our pieces. We’re launching new collections in the fall, but nobody cares unless the duchess decides to buy a piece and wear it.” (That said, both Ragland and Mulroney showcased the wares before an audience estimated at up to two billion around the world.) The duchess could stop wearing Birks, Hartling says: “What does that mean for us?” That hasn’t happened, with post-wedding images of the duchess wearing Birks plastered on the company’s Instagram. “Royalty is looking good on her!” read one caption. Hartling remains hopeful, noting Birks had a royal warrant in the ’30s, when it supplied silverware to the royal family: “Maybe we’ll get another one.” Maybe. That could be one way this fairy tale ends.

I am no sugar but this yellow number better suits Meghan for style. And thank God she put her nasty hair into a neat bun so she isn't incessantly touching it.

This is turning into nipple-gate II tho. IMO, she looks great. Great hips.

MM can be wearing the most expensive and stylish dress, but unfortuntely, her bird legs and tiny ankles always detract from the overall intended glamourous effect. Her shoes look ill-fitting again. Her feet must be very narrow which is why she has a hard time fittiing into high heeled shoes and walking in them.

An undercover palace operation to snatch MM's weave was obviously successful, r491.

They’re just darts. She should go back to draped bedspreads to avoid such tragedies.

This sheath dress look suits her but I've never been a fan of bright yellow. Her hair is severe but at least it's not a mess. Harry looks bemused.

Seems like the wrinkles should be preventable.

Megs' best look yet (which is like saying Trump's best tweet yet) but the pink, cotton-candy, frosted lipstick?!?!? With canary yellow?!?!?

And amazing that the fashion blog that merches the clothing Megs wears but HAS NO LINKS TO HER knew the somewhat obscure designer off the bat, even with no press release.

The most interesting thing about Jessica Mulroney and her plastic face is that she's married to a gay man.

I don’t like those nude ugly shoes with the yellow dress.

And whatever happened to sling backs, peep toes, ankle straps? Why these slightly platform pumps with stripper heels? Vulgar. Tired.

R495, what I can’t understand is that a hipster nobody is able to identify and fix faulty darts and the people who dress a DUCHESS can’t get it right. They don’t have dressmakers available to MM for alterations?

And I think she should have been building a basic Duchess wardrobe a while ago. Doesn’t she have some appropriate basic dresses that have been perfectly tailored already? There’s no excuse for any of these ill-fitting schmattas.

Reading all this, it occurs to me that the story of the Markle family would be a great subject for an opera or musical drama.

"Hardworking, talented Thomas lavishes every possible benefit on his pretty bi-racial daughter, who marries a royal prince after achieving fame as an actress. She subsequently abandons poor Thomas, who is now a shabby, poverty-stricken recluse, broken-hearted at the loss of his daughter..." The nasty step-siblings could be the chorus of harpies, warning the prince of danger to come..

Months ago, I said that MM reminded me of Becky Sharp.

The colour suits her, but the length is wrong - looks like it was supposed to be knee-length, but on her it’s mid-calf because she’s too short. Bare shoulders make it look like it’s been a long day and she lost the jacket somewhere (wrinkles don’t help). And to draw the curtain of charity over the rest of this look, better not mention that the mid part is too wide.

The fact of the matter remains that Megan will never have the money available to Kate for wardrobe. This was one of Sarah‘s chief complaints over her marriage to Andrew, she had to look like a princess without Diana‘s clothing budget. Yes, Harry has more money than Andrew Did. But Harry is known to be cheap and since the bloom already seems to be off the rose, is willing to spend oodles of money to make his wife look good

[quote]The yellow sheath dress comes out as a 'bargain' - only $1500,

Brandon Maxwell sheath dress, $523, bergdorfgoodman.com

She looks really lovely.

R505 - it went on sale. Retail $1495. Who knows what Meghan paid for it.

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Wow, talk about no curves. She's flat as a board everywhere.

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Brandon Maxwell dress looks stunning on a taller model and much more stylish when paired with summer footwear.

R511 On the model it's about 4 inches shorter, which makes it look completely different.

MM should just wear trousers for the rest of her life. Her bird legs are the problem and ruin every dress she wears. Even the nice dresses.

R487 - Having taken a week's vacation from all this, I'm charmed to see the discussion is still going on - and I haven't even checked the DM yet. And lo, a yellow dress, Gawd hep us, The yellow sleeveless shift is the single best outfit I've seen on her yet. It appears to fit properly, It's sexy without being tawdry, the colour is at last a departure from her safe pastels neutrals, etc., and her hair is sleekly pulled back. Simple pumps rather than ho heels . . . and she looks a bit fuller.

It is clear that MeAgain is reading DL.

However . . . all that said, it is a bit tight in places, notably her waist and, er, tummy. Is it possible that the Duchess is already . . ?

......knocked up, r514? She turns 37 in August and as Pa Markle said in his interview, the couple wants kids asap. So, yeah probably pregnant. Pregnant as she walked down the aisle escorted by Prince Charles which is an even funnier thought.

I thought the yellow dress looks good. The Queen's dresser - she may still be- makes a lot of the Queen's clothes. Meagain has an assistant assigned to her by the Queen. There is no reason they can't find a seamstress with an eye to help the woman get her clothes to fit her properly. It needn't be expensive. In fact, if Meagain wanted to build her brand she'd have discreet relationships built with the affordable British High Street stores: Reiss, Dorothy Perkins, M&S for God's sake and wear them and let it be known and reap good press for helping British retail. And cultivate a few relationships - continually - with emerging British designers or design students - and wear them and let it be known and do something with all the outfits she wears rather than parading around in ill fitting designer stuff that accomplishes nothing but getting her raked across the coals. If she has to make her husband pay to have a dozen decent custom shoes made for her, well, that's the price of funny feet and being royalty.

She's got a big vocabulary and she talks a lot but she doesn't seem to do much thinking. This is getting away from her and she's letting in be known. Her shoulders look slightly hunched and tense in many photos, her hands and other body postures are defensive. Far better suited to mistress than wife, it looks like.

mm looks beautiful in that color. clean lines flatter her.

the scrawny calves and ankles are on display here, painfully thin. shorter or longer hemline?

For DL’s amusement, cut to the cooch works best.

Four inches shorter than this and a cavernous thigh-gap with enough room to accommodate a third leg will be exposed. Isn’t that what we all want to see?

But another American designer. Except for the McCartney and the Goat, she hasn't worn a British based designer since she got the ring on her finger. Is she really that tone-deaf? Passive-Aggressive?

Funny, ony weeks ago, this engagement photograph of MM posed on the step o Frogmore house in her couture black gown—featuring a sheer bodice with gold embroidery and a tulle skirt—by the British label Ralph and Russo’s 2017 fall couture collection. It seemed a bit ostentatious, 'unroyal' and a touch more Hollywood. But she set the bar pretty high only to literally come down weeks later in her Givenchy bedsheet, awkwardly slipping on the hill as she tried to navigate her way to Harry's cousin wedding while clutching onto the over-sized, ill-fitting and inappropriate garment.

There's something missing - little sense of innate sophistication and the bogus public veneer is wearing very thin. Makes me think Harry is cut from the same mold as they both seem oblivious - almost comically so - to the public's perception of the gap between what they espouse and what they actually put on display.

I agree they are likely well suited for each other, more than I thought initially.

Okay back to business: the sheath is a safe classic, generally flattering silhouette , very CBK. The yellow, although a welcome change, I think there may be a more flattering shade for her..it’s a tough color to wear, but she could pull it off, softer, less gold perhaps. How long is the slit in back? I’m heartened it’s a more affordable dress, but the fabric shows some bulges and gaps...and would on anyone, but some undergarment would help especially with thinner fabrics. Her posture is, especially upper back, is highlighted by the style and appears hunched.

The shoes are all wrong tan and yellow? HATE it. Are they suede? Patent leather would have been a nice choice. Make up needs to be altered for this look. Very glad hair looks neat. No pulling at hair and nice clean sophisticated ..I’d like to see an updo, French twist or chignon. Maybe something to adorn the updo, such as vintage hair pin, or comb? So not bad, but I think she would benefit from tailoring, to be more flattering, maybe bring in pro makeup?

Want to add: it feels like something is always a bit off, as though not cohesive. Sometimes having someone to give objective feedback, the old once over old be helpful. I’m trying to be constructive lest labeled a hater who wishes I had a prince, etc. that would be my nightmare

Yes, the length of the hem is wrong..should have been taken up for her. I don’t mind her legs...that’s what she was given, not much you can do..I don’t think she should hide them or feel ashamed. She needs to find the most flattering length and stick with it, regardless of trends. I like slender ankles! She’s lucky there. Many women are blessed with cankles or manly legs and need to wear heels to make them appear thinner, or feminine. She certainly doesn’t need to appear as a perfect human specimen, just make the best of what she has, be clean, well turned out, attn to detail is fine. She needs to let her inner beauty come out, that’s the goal isn’t it, have something special to offer and grace? The problem is that I don’t think she has much more going for her than her appearance.

Maybe they are cut from the same cloth. Maybe Meghan and Harry put less emphasis on what they wear, as opposed to fashion-crazed eldergays.

Do you believe for a minute that woman puts less emphasis on what she wears? That's the laugh of the day. She's more ambition than ability.

If the rumors are true that she is mostly wearing loaners, perhaps no Britsh designers have stepped forth. In those circles, why would anyone want their label associated with her? Beyond that, it's obvious Prince Harry is either an incredible tightwad or is hanging her out to dry. As stated above, he should have shelled out for some custom shoes by this point. It is embarrassing. And he looks embarrassed to be with her.

He does look embarrassed. How do we know he’s cheap? Because he recycled his mother’s rings?

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Nah, that's just always been the rumor about him. The fact that his wife looks so shoddily dressed does not help that perception. It's one thing to be so poorly dressed during the engagement period. But to continue to be so after the wedding is inexplicable. She appears to make do with loaners (that's why everything looks so big on her). You would think someone in the family would provide the funds for a serviceable wardrobe.

Oh my. I wonder if she has an eating disorder @R530

She was actually beautiful @R518

Look at her with her little Tig bag @ r518...she thought she was such hot shit- she was, in her world. It's really sad! Now she doesn't even have The TIG anymore. Shes no Grace Kelly, but I thought the Grace Kelly biography was the saddest book- she went from being on top of the world, rich, beautiful, top star, slept with whatever guys she wanted, has freedom from her dad-- then she had to live in a rotted old castle and wasn't even allowed to name her own baby-- with everyone always all up in her case.

No one seems to have pointed out how much longer the yellow shift is in the back than the front. That was the first thing I saw. She really should have her colours done. I have a woman friend who did that for me years ago and it made such a difference in the way I look. I'm a winter like MM and that saturated mustard yellow is not a good colour for us. The only yellow that works is a pale lemon yellow. Also off the menu are those muddy dusty pinks she wears. If she wore jewel colours like royal blue or ruby, black, navy, burgundy, icy colours like ice blue and white, nothing muddy or muted, no browns, she would look much sharper.

Now we know why she wears those messy tendrils in front of her face. Not so good looking when there’s nothing to hide your face. She almost looks like a boy in these pictures.

Her next appearance will be on July 9 at Prince Louis' christening alongside Kate and the other royals. I have a feeling Brits will be glad to see Kate again after being overdosed on Meg for the past six weeks. Then Meghan and Harry fly straight to Ireland for a two day visit where no doubt she'll wear plenty of expensive designer dresses again. She would be smart to wear Irish up and coming designers that don't break the bank with clothes. If she does, props to her. If she doesn't and ends up in expensive Prada outfits again, she'll be vilified in the British press. Her clotheshorse ways in just six weeks time is embarrassing. Kate wore a $200 Zara blue dress for her engagement to Wills after 9 years together. Meg was in a long distance relationship with Harry for most of their relationship and she's raiding the house with designer clothes.

Kate's engagement dress was by the Brazilian designer Issa, and I'm sure it cost more than $200. But probably less than £1000. Looked great, loved the Mario Testino photos.

Lets go with the positives , the dress is not white or beige . Upgrade . But it's way too long . Why does she always drowns in fabric ?

So her next appearance is with Kate? I thought there would have been more of those by now but I guess Kate’s on maternity leave. They seem uncomfortable together. I wonder if the rumors of Megs leaking gossip about Kate was true.

R539, do you have any sources for these rumors? Or are you just storing the pot?

My thoughts exactly, r535. Tiny head, boyish looking, almost plain face.

So to sum up - short, bird legs, plain, boyish looking face, square body, no waist, uncontrollable hair, too much bronzer, no innate fashion sense, can't walk in heels, ill-fiting clothes and shoes. Prince Harry's idea of The Perfect Wife?

R534, I see this dress as a clear Yellow, no brown in it so it is okay for winters. Not many people can wear that color so kudos to her for trying. I also like beige as a way to tone down the yellow but it didn't quite come off here. This is one of her best looks, hair tamed, dress fitting. The length, well, she does have spindly legs and insists on stilettos. She'd look better in pant suits but the BRF and the press would have a meltdown.

R537 - Kate's photo-call engagement dress was by Issa; the formal photos by Mario Testino featured a white suit by British designer Reiss, that cost about $700. Issa actually went out of business some time later, and the wrap dress was put back on the rack for $140 recently by the House of Fraser, now called the "Kate Tie Wrap Dress". It retailed when Kate wore it for a bit less than $600. A far cry from MeAgain's ridiculously expensive Ralph and Russo gown. The difference in costs and designers is telling about who has the greater sense of responsibility toward roles. MeAgain just doesn't give a damn, and she's already made that abundantly clear.

[quote]do you have any sources for these rumors? Or are you just storing the pot?

She was rumored to be leaking to Lainey, who is based in Toronto like Meghan was and co-hosts some silly gossip show with Jessica Mulroney's gay husband.

[quote]Let’s say you’re dating a guy and you’re super into each other, and you’ve been staying with him, and he’s really serious about you, the most serious he’s been about anyone. He lives in the same complex with someone he’s very close to. And the person he’s close to has a partner too. You and she don’t know each other well. But since you’ve been staying there, you run into each other one day. And you tell her you’re going shopping and where. She says she’s going shopping too and leaves in the car. You head out on foot. Turns out, she went shopping exactly where you went shopping. And she knew that’s where you were going. But she didn’t offer you a ride.

R540 - I believe MeAgain and Harry are due at Prince Louis's christening next week, and that's what the "next appearance is with Kate" fluff is.

[quote]the wrap dress was put back on the rack for $140 recently by the House of Fraser

And now House of Fraser is hanging on by a thread and closing half of its stores, and it will be all Kate’s fault. She’s the kiss of death!

I mean, if a legitimate journalist like Lainey blames Kate it’s going to stick, right?

R546 - LOL. I think it was fairly known and accepted that Lainey was in MeAgain's corner and that MeAgain leaked regularly to her. I believe it was Lainey who circulated that absurd story about Kate refusing to give MeAgain a lift to go shopping after MM moved in with Harry after the engagement announcement. Everyone suspected, probably correctly, that the story came from MeAgain.

Kate' position is more or less unassailable given that William would never divorce her and their three offspring, but MeAgain is a Class-A narcissist and somewhat paranoid, which she's relatively good at concealing to the general public, but no one should ever underestimate her willingness to leak a story like that to make herself look better by comparison.

When the rocks under the mattress are uncovered, these characteristics of MM's will be their names.

R541 - oh, come now: you should know that what makes an individual a Perfect Partner is how s/he fits into the childhood drama the other party is playing out. Whether she has style or can walk in heels or has a problematic figure to dress . . . that's all distraction. I think the Harry-MeAgain saga, unlike the William-Kate saga (William, advertently or not, picked exactly the right partner who will never rock the boat and despite her common origins, seems quite authentic in her role as the demure wife of the future King of Great Britain and NI), has all the earmarks of a slowly unfolding Gran Scena. They are where all the dark tides underneath the Charles-Diana debacle are still tugging.

So, relate if you will, the 'childhood drama' with the 'dark tides underneath the Charles-Diana debacle are still tugging,' R548.

R527 - He gave her Diana's aquamarine, the ring she bought to replace her giant sapphire engagement ring after the divorce, as William had already taken the sapphire to give to Kate. But Harry (presumably) bought MeAgain her very own expensive engagement ring, which allegedly cost about $200,000, featuring a large central diamond sourced in Botswana that looks like it runs about three-four carats.

I'm not a particular fan of Harry the Dim and the Famewhore Princess, but one shouldn't throw around "recycles his mother's rings" in that way. He gave her her own very expensive engagement ring.

Diana had a nice collection of jewels, quiet apart from the RF loaners.

R549 - ah, how much time do you have? I have gone into this elsewhere, but in my view, Harry has married a woman who shares with his late mother extraordinary narcissism - the very narcissism that drove his father away from Diana early in their marriage. In addition, Harry has also married a woman who, like his mother, would never have looked at him were it not for the magical HRH in front of his name and his potential for fulfilling her fantasies about being royal. His mother married his father for the same reason. She had set her heart on being Princess of Wales in her early teens. "It's Westminster Abbey for me or nothing," she is said to have stated emphatically.

At one point, in one of the better biographies of Diana, her mother cautioned her not to be sure she was attracted to the man and not the prince (this was after Charles finally threw in the towel and began seeing Diana). Diana's response was to chirp merrily, "Is there a difference?"

The rest, as they say, is history. I think Harry and Meghan saw each other through a fog of needs and fantasies, much as Charles and Diana did. I would bet five years of my life (I won't say which five years, though) that Meghan never got further than "Prince" and "Windsor" in considering a dim, balding, spoilt, immature man with a history of cheating on his SOs if he'd been a mid-level businessman she met at a party in Toronto.

So Harry, unlike William, is replicating the family drama. She may be American, she may be "the sadder but wiser girl", she may be biracial, she may be an actress rather than a true English Rose Aristo - but down deep, fundamentally, she and Diana are sisters under the skin. Diana was a very needy parent - just as she was a very needy wife. She laid incredible burdens on those two young boys, affectionate as she was.

And this is what I believe will be fascinating to see play out on the world's stage with Harry and Meghan. William and Kate are boring by comparison because no such drama hangs over their union. William seems to have escaped.

Apologies to those who have already read this in another post, but I felt obliged to respond.

R552 - Great insight and explanation. I think both sons were 'emotionaly damaged' from the parents' marriage but Wills bucked up due to his age and palace support and indoctrination but Harry, the 'toddler-level' child is living out, as you cited, his various issues. Which leaves him somewhat more vulnerable and less-evolved in terms of emotional maturity and professional responsibility (as cited elsewhere on this thread). Harry's lament for so long has been 'who will take me on' or words to that effect. He's been searching for a while and I think is deeply envious of Wills' stable family life and level of personal contentedness.

Harry, the childish vagabond, seemingly wants that fairytale marriage and blindly fell for MM, who wanted desperately to fulfill her long held narcissistic desire to re-enact and completely inhabit the rarified, regal world of the famous Princess Diana. MM's clingy neediness is hardly comparable to Diana's youthful, charming, innocent foibles as MM is almost 37 years heading soon to be 40 years with what, 2 or 3 marriages behind her. She is almost middle-aged and behaving like a self-absorbed 18 year old.

Harry abd his Duchess are truly living 'a fog of needs and fantasies.'

Apparently Meagan has also acquired an English accent.

Ugh. Meghan is very California. Dumb, tacky, rude, clueless.

All while being convinced of her own fabulosity.

Buckingham and Kensington Palace is loving this

All of a sudden, future queen consort, Lazy waity Kate Has become the perfect royal bride

Quit with the 2 marriages behind her shit. You don't think the legitimate press would report this if there was any proof? Or her tacky half sister?

Why does she look like she has a handprint across her face in R554? Did someone slap her

Harry must feel a great deal of hurt and resentment towards his mother, somewhere. After all, she left him to gad about with these silly men, and subsequently died. Not sure what this has to do with Meghan, she's as different as can be from Diana in every way, to me. Except she does seem neurotic and needy.

I see things more simply. I think Harry developed a taste for brown sugar down in Africa and MM was as dark as the BRF could be expected to accept. I wonder if they would have accepted Emma McQuiston, who certainly knows how to behave and dress. And second, even though Harry wouldn't want Wills' position, he is known to be jealous of some of the perks he gets. There's a certain rivalry. He didn't want to end up in the shadows like Andrew and Edward; he definitely doesn't have Anne's work ethic or history of sporting involvement. He can't be king of the UK but he thought he could be a cool international jet setter with a Hollywood wife, so he chose an actress. It seemed like a good idea at the time anyway, but now he's facing this horrible unexpected backlash. He's got his very own Fergie, and instead of being the lovable royal rogue, he is now known as the royal ginger dimwit.

New DL term for Harry - royal ginger dimwit or RGD. LOL!!

If you look at RGD's handprint, r558, you may find the answer to your question.

Watch for how Kate and Meagain dress on Christening Day... because if they both seem super turned out, IT'S ON!

Real Housewives of Kensington Palace - the ratings would go through the roof.

You just know that something will be slightly 'OFF" with Royal MeAgain, r563. On the other hand, Kate will show up in some elegant, under-stated (moderately-priced) dress with her glowing locks neatly coiffed, shapely legs and feet gliding along the cobblestones in well-fitted heels and just the right amount of make-up.

For shits 'n giggles again.

and thin, with great posture.

That dress and the merengue hat really were a bomb. A bomb, not the bomb.

r560

robin fenty turned him out and theres no going back.

R569 - Which image?

Tendrils, bare arms, and low-cut dress for a sombre memorial service at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Sq. to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the homicide of Stephen Lawrence on April 23, 2018 in London, England.

But, R560, if you are right, how would Harry expect to pay for a jet setting life?

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I think he figured they'd have a foot in both camps - do just enough high-profile 'humanitarian work' and royal appearances to keep the public happy so they could keep the royal benefits freely flowing. I think he also thought a bi-racial wife would ensure his place in the hearts of the new multi-cultural Britain. What he didn't figure on was that Americans like MM do not find the archaic values and customs of the BRF (or even the aristocracy, for that matter) to be natural or even comprehensible. So MM just lurches from one blunder to another, and the British public is not taking it well at all. The BRF's fanbase is slowly dying off and will take a huge hit when QE2 dies, and clueless, arrogant MM has just given it a giant kick in the balls.

Not only that, r574, MM is hardly a style icon. That is her ONLY job is to dress well, present herself as a cultured person. She can't even pull that off.

Kate has great legs.

I'm slowly getting used to MM's umbrella thin pins. Anyone else?

The yellow dress was quite good, basic but elegant. It's a win for her.

Otherwise her skin and hair are terrible and she's far too skinny to get pregnant. I doubt she has her menstruations.

I would also say she doesn't seem happy.

It's not a fairy tale they were both expecting. She was sold as the magical unicorn who would save the BRF and the world, and we have a soap opera where the lead actress can't barely walk by herself, needs to be micromanaged by her husband and xanax to function.

She won't stay, even if I thought she would, the Tabloid pressure will be too much for her.

Charles thinks MM is the greatest thing to happen to the BRF, r574. So odd.

Harry not exactly radiating pride and confidence here at Ascot - their first Ascot as a married couple.

R579 Yeah sure, H&M are leaking to the press as much as they can.

Omid Scobie is in holidays at Soho Farmhouse in UK (Meghan's Mothership). Anyone thinks it's a coincidence?????

Omid will tell us brand new wonderful stories about how the Queen thinks Meghan is her favorite grand-daughter and how Kate is in depression because she's in Meghan shadow.

R577 - no, you're on your own. She's as fake as her new posh British accent.

R579 -Charles will have egg on his face and his red face will get even more red with embarassment.

Also, Charles is a bit of an idiot,

No one in the family is really bright tbh.

MM has Harry well "trained' already - at a high profile public event such as Ascot. WTF?

Harry is just dumb.

Wonder what Wills and Kate privately are making of this new Duchess of Sussex. And what Kate and her mum are chatting on about? The BRF fired their top communications director last week.

Harry hadn't met Tom Markle during his entire courtship of Meghan. Nobody is calling her out on her "Happy father's day daddy!" instagram post with the "I'm still your buckaroo." and "Thank you for teaching me blah, blah, blah, and also blah, and my favorite, my very unique and special blah." "Thanks for being the best hugger!" "I love you, xxoo _ bean." This was father's day 2016. Daddy was in Mexico without, presumably, an instagram account, so the whole "Dear Daddy" IG was fakery and self-promotion and brand-building. Yet Daddy goes out and does a few interviews and it's poor poor Meghan her father is ridiculous? She set up an image of this loving safe bubble of a family life that she had even after her parents divorced. Protective and loyal to her mother, and a worshipful daddy's girl. These people then show up with a "Hey, are we coming to the wedding?" and she's "No, I don't know you!"

I am also tired of talk that the "Royal Family" should have handled this. What are Meghan and Harry - fucking babies? THEY should handle this. They both act as if they are hiding their heads in the sand, and when he comes out for an interview that is their excuse not to deal with him - as if they were dealing with him BEFORE he gave interviews. That's just a reverse engineered excuse.

Don't post a "My daddy is the bestest!" instagram but then act like he's got cooties when he shows up in three dimensions. I forgot who the journalist was who said it, but as you move up in the world you really can't swap out your actual dad for a higher status, more glamorous dad. That's her dad.

[quote]The BRF fired their top communications director last week.

Now, this is interesting timing. Was it an actual dismissal or did the person just move on? How does the palace announce a sacking without sounding awkward.

Their top communications director was incompetent and couldn't manage the Markle's debacle. No wonder.

R589 They just announce, they don't comment.

R550, where these two are concerned, I side eye every story that comes our way about both jewelry and clothes. I don't believe the "We were roasting a chicken!" I don't believe that the first thing out of her mouth when someone asked her if she wanted to be set up with Prince Harry was "Well, is he kind?" and I don't believe he went and "sourced" a diamond in Botswana with two of Di's diamonds alongside. Birk's probably whipped something up for her - she's been parading the Birk's jewelry around from day one; it's overpriced as hell.

I'm just surprised - pleasantly - that the Middletons stood in for Kate at Wimbledon, because you know after her box hopping a couple of years ago Meghan expected the Wimbledon gig, not standing around with PH somewhere talking about plastics.

Sally Osman, the Royal Director of Communications, who was previously a communications head at the BBC, Sony and Sky, is departing the Palace. Ms Osman is one of many staff members who have left in what appears to be a period of reshuffles in Royal staffing.

The Daily Mail also reported the 57-year-old faced a “difficult time” during her time for Palace PR. It is understood this surrounded the intense media scrutiny surrounding the marriage of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Maybe the communications director was fired because somebody let Meghan take over the KP social media for awhile? It got verbose, spelling was Americanized, and it was beyond condescending about the people invited to stand on the lawn outside the ceremony - one of the most offensive concepts ever. That guy from Sentabale should have been inside the fucking church, not forced to behave as if breathing the same air from fifty yards away was an unspeakable honor from their condescending highnesses. I also think the cast of Suits humiliated itself flying over, showing up, and willing to be photographed even though they weren't invited to the evening reception and the KP leaks informed us they were about to be dumped as Meghan was moving up to a new social circle.

What the hell do we think she does with herself all day? She's hardly working, so what is she doing?

HRH The Duchess of Sussex is writing Thank You notes to her extended social circle, r594.

Carole Middleton is a loud and proud admirer of Roger Federer, r592. To put it mildly.

"Kate reveals her mom Carole Middleton’s crush on Roger Federer'

Part 3 - As we near the end of this thread.

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MM is going to need some colouring pretty soon.

Kate will easily outshine Sparkles at the christening. I noticed that even with heels, Sparkles barely reaches Harry's shoulder.