Part 3: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, Is It Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

Raises Hand...

I'm still dwelling on that black sleeveless number...

Image from Part 2 showing how good Harry is at "multi-tasking'.

So, has she not received any training from the palace as to the comportment, dress, and manners expected of her in different social situations, especially around the Queen? Even Diana, who grew up in the aristocracy, got assigned a lady in waiting or two to go through all of the rules and rituals of the RF. (I recall that she wasn't thrilled with it and was recalcitrant, much to the dismay of her tutors.) Kate had years prior to the marriage to figure it out and a highly supportive husband. Are we to understand from her gaffes that she's received no guidance or that she has rejected it? Surely she knows that her missteps might be viewed as arrogance and will harm her popularity.

This has to be one of the most awkward and revealing examples of the total lack of protocol training given to these two as as a couple, r3. Meghan and Harry in two instances bump, collide into each other, (she even puts her arm out in order to push him aside) looking like total hams, amateurs as they greet the public at the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre. You would think Harry would have sorted out the matter of greetings before the actual event. BUT, NO.

H&M just don't care about protocol.

She only cares if it's bad press in the Daily Mail. Harry is just the same, he doesn't care.

Was Nutmeg going for the "Frida Kahlo Look" or "Big Bird"? Well, in her case, "Little Bird".

R3, Of course, she has had training as to protocol. Of course, she has been told the rules.

Either she doesn't give a fuck or she is very, very slow.

I wonder how many takes it used to take for her scenes when she was an actress.

And I would imagine that it would be increasingly annoying for someone to be perpetually clinging onto you, grabbing you, reaching for your hand, refusing to let go of your hand, etc. (Unless, of course, it is done by a child.) I can understand needing some support at first, but she is still doing the clinging vine thing.

I think it would be annoying. Unless, of course, that was one of the attractions - wanting a spouse who has no life other than when they are attached (literally) to you.

He's gone this fearles soldier to being pussy-whipped in a matter of 14 months.

from this....

Harry needs an intervention gurls.

Cannot wait to see the royal christening. I am sure Kate will get the tallest, most regal headpiece she can, so she, already 5'10", will tower over 5'4" Meghan in the background. This sounds mean, but at the Trooping the Colour thing on the balcony, I thought Kate looked like Scarlett O'Hara, and Meghan, grinning foolishly, wearing her flying saucer hat, looked like one of the house servants in the back.

H & M to visit Dublin on July 10 and 11. Such hard workers.

R11 - Kate actually isn't 5'10", she's really about 5'8". She has "length" but is in fact that strange anomaly, a small tall girl. She isn't as tall as Diana, but in heels and formal hat, she can appear much taller - she's 5'8" at most and if you look at her in heels and a hat standing next to William, it is clear. But it is true that her long torso, lovely legs, and small waist give her several advantages over MeAgain. Kate, however, doesn't have much imagination, and dresses very much like the Home Counties girl she always has been, just with more expensive and bespoke items. But this, while hardly turning her into a fashion icon, combined with her always wearing British designers except when visiting foreign countries, has given her a cachet that is eluding MeAgain - that of a dutiful reassuringly English royal who knows that being a fashion icon isn't the point: adopting an identifiable and very English persona supported by her clothes, which are also always supportive of British industry is.

The lesson here escapes MeAgain, and also escapes her adoring frau-stans. Fashionistas come and go. The royals are supposed to stand for something timeless.

I'll repeat what I said on another thread, quoting Diana Vreeland, "True class is indifferent to style." The declasse Duchess of Sussex is looking toward style to give her class. It won't work. It is class that lends style to clothes. It was Hepburn's innate class that leant those little black dresses and Givenchy suits so much magic.

With regret, r13, I'm coming around to your way of thinking about The DoS, especially what you wrote in your last paragraph.

I still hope she can correct herself, Lord knows nobody else seems to be helping, although, maybe she's not heeding good advice.

I'm convinced she has this image or vision in her head about how she wants to look that is dead wrong, but , just like some of those women on "What Not To Wear", she refuses to yield.

Can anyone see r13's post as referred to by r14?

I see your post now, r13. This whole issue of style goes back to the woman herself - how she projects herself, what she projects. For a person her age at 36, it is kind of concerning that MeAgain can't seem to forge a consistent external stylistic identity that reflects her inner self. I won't go so far as to analyze why that is but we can only conjecture. Nothing seems to cohere - from the hair right down to the shoes.

And we tease her calling her Sparkles but in reality, there is no discernible "sparkle' about her. Harry, going by recent pics, looks deflated and as someone said in Part 2, MeAgain is starting to look bored and unhappy. She needs a makeover - not sure if she is open to it though.

R13, you fil to accept that some of us do not care about the BRF or what they stand for. In fact some of us would love to see all of the BRF turned out. So for us Meghan is a breath of fresh common air. Diana wanted to be Queen of common people's hearts meaning she thought herself better than regular people; Meghan is common folk and seems to be fine with it.

Maybe her instructors need to have one of those boards they use to say "Protocal When in Attendance with HM - Scene 1 - Take 260" to get her lessons across.

I think it's a combination of not getting the training and not being interested. I think she wants to be an ex-Duchess and milk the celebrity. She's interested in the clothes she gets to wear, and the jewelry, even though both have been debacles. Clearly she's uninterested. She acts as if she's at a social occasion instead of an engagement, she continually ignores protocol about Harry speaking first, not interrupting, doing more listening than talking. None of that is rocket science. The fact that she can't pull it off means she's not trying to pull it off. I do get embarrassed for her when she pretends she's included when she's not. For example, Kate turned to speak to Harry on the balcony during Trooping the Colour . Meghan looked up and behaved as if Kate were talking to her. During her engagement w/the queen Meghan talked nonstop (while the locals were performing, yet), leaning over in her chair so far towards the queen she practically landed in the queen's lap, gesturing and never shutting up. Meantime the queen looked straight ahead, gamely smiling. But in a screen shot, it looks as if Meghan leaned over and made the queen smile by saying something. She does this all the time. It's very Angelina Jolie.

Meghan is common folk? Is this why she invited the Clooneys, whom she does not know, the Beckhams, ditto, Serena (they have the same publicist that's it) to her wedding, while dissing her entire family? Is this why KP leaked that her old circle of friends would not get to go to the evening reception because Meghan was transitioning to a new circle? Is this why a simple common folk like Meghan wants us to think she's spent one fucking million dollars on her hideous clothing and jewelry in six months? Is this why she wears stripper heels to every.single.engagement? Puts on contour make-up with a trowel?

Please. She's a bigger snob than the entire RF put together, in part because her idea of status is treating those of lesser status like shit. Remember her working actress blog when she threw a hissy fit because some audition wanted her to have a headshot with her and she didn't? She had a blog tantrum when having your head shot with you at all times is 101. Remember how she berated a driver for not having water for her? She was princessing out in the perjorative sense of the term the second she got Suits.

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R17 - I haven't the slightest problem with anyone wishing the BRF at the bottom of the Thames for good and all. But calling Meghan Markle a "breath of common air" is absurd: she isn't interested in bringing it down, but in becoming part of it. And Kate Middleton is nearly as common. Her great grandfather was a coal miner. But her secure stable family background and the family hoisting itself into the middle-classes earl on, growing up in Bucklebury (an American friend of mine, when told this, said with bewilderment, "Isn't that a place near the Shire?! Who the fuck really grows up in a place called Bucklebury?!"), going to St. Andrews, has given her a sheen that Markle never had.

But she is no less common. Neither woman is a "breath of fresh orcommon air" - both signed up to sit at the top of Britain's economic and social pyramid. What makes you think Markle will play some role in getting rid of it? Sophie Wessex is also common. Did she bring down the monarchy?

If you want to get rid of the BRF, looking to consorts who were only too eager to get into it isn't productive. Join Republican Britain, organise, don't vote Lib/Lab/Con (not that you'll find many alternatives to same), write, participate on blogs, stir things up, organise demonstrations.

But Meghan Markle, now spending 10,000 quid on a day dress, looking forward to moving into a 21-room apartment in Kensington Palace, the staff of servants, the lux vacays., the nannies, the country home in the Cotswolds, thankful to have been freed from 4AM makeup calls, or trying to figure out where she goes from "Suits" as she ages out of the ingenue roles, anxiously looking over her shoulder at women 15 years younger than she with whom she would be competing for the few roles her limited dramatic ability would suit her for? All of which she owes to her new membership in that very BRF?

Think again, mate. You're looking in the wrong direction.

R552 on Dangling Threads #2 - I believe it was you who asked me about the "dark tides" of the Diana/Charles debacle that I thought were tugging at H&M's relationship. I omitted to mention one more similarity that I found interesting: Charles was cornered by the press where Diana was concerned - without any of Markle's training, but with superlative instincts, Diana also played the press and the public to perfection - both fell madly in love with the beautiful innocent young Diana. At a certain point in time, it became obvious that Charles either had to propose to Diana or drop her. His own father told him to get on with it or stop seeing her, he was about to ruin the reputation of a "girl of good family". So Charles, whether he was really ready to propose or not, was very much corralled. Hence his mean-spirited "Whatever 'in love' means," at the engagement photo-call.

Markle, quite shrewdly, corralled Harry very much the same way. Before he proposed, she threatened the British press, through Harry, playing the racism card as she did so, claiming racist abuse due to the relationship. Then there was the "Vanity Fair" cover article on Markle, in which she discussed their relationship (a severe no-no in royal circles) stating suavely at the end, "I"m sure a time will come when we will have to present ourselves and tell our story, but for now . . ." This was virtually an announcement of an unofficial engagement, despite the fact that Harry hadn't proposed yet.

These two press initiative put the dim and feckless Harry in an impossible position that it would have taken a much thicker skin than he possesses. After those press initiatives, breaking off the relationship with Markle would have made Harry look ungentlemanly at best and racist at worst, something it is impossible to assume Markle didn't know. She had to be sure of him before he took off after his next interesting piece of candy, which he is famous for doing, so she acted as if the engagement were already an unofficial fait accompli - which she herself contradicted with the story of Harry proposing a couple of months before the engagement announcement whilst roasting a chicken.

So Harry actually repeated his father's mistake in this way, too: marrying a woman who had pretty much made it impossible for him to put the brakes on the relationship or end it, through clever press manipulation. Harry perhaps shrugged his shoulders and thought, "Well, she's a great piece of ass and I'm sixth in line come spring, and I'm 33, maybe it will all work out all right, anyway, even if she did kind of snare me."

Which is exactly what his father thought when he proposed to Diana, probably in resigned exhaustion (absent the great piece of ass bit, of course).

As I said, no matter how different they appear, Diana and Meghan have a great deal in common.

I expect she is getting mixed messages. The BRF are running around clucking that she has to follow this etiquette and that protocol and Harry's telling her to never mind, don't worry about it, you'll be great because he's a guy and a bit dim and has grown up in this life so he can't comprehend how foreign it all is to her plus he really thinks it's all a big fuss over nothing most of the time (her clothing choices, her messy hair). So he tells her she looks great and doesn't care that she's wearing a sundress to [some occasion] or a ruffled bed sheet to that wedding because he doesn't know any better.

The real trigger will be if he gets tired of hearing about her fashion and social faux pas and snaps at her, why can she be more like Kate who always looks well groomed. Look out.

R24 - I don't think the BRF are running around clucking - I think she's reading gossip blogs (and DL, of course) and reviews of her clothes in the DM and CB. The BRF are peculiarly unhelpful, tending to refrain from interfering when they should. Or else they are just giving her enough rope to hang herself.

One of the biographers of King George V said that the Windsors, like ducks, make bad parents: they trample their young. Might have been Lytton Strachey but don't quote me on it.

They look as if they've moved on from the Edwardian era, but they are notoriously poor at direct communication and confrontation - no one is saying to Mrs Harry: "If you want any more money for clothes, the next three outfits you wear to a public event had better be by British design houses."

She has an advisor assigned to her by the Queen, one Susan Cohen, I believe, but then, Diana had one too (Lady Susan Hussey), but Diana's immaturity, narcissism, and conviction that her "instincts" were worth more than all the insights Walter Bagehot ever had, made her impatient of the lessons. I suspect, again, that is another arena in which Diana and Markle were alike.

The difference between Diana and Meghan is that Meghan is much older, was at the outset non-resident or a foreigner, not from an established British aristocratic family, a family of British nobility with royal ancestry (Diana), hadn't been well-acquainted with Harry's social circle like Diana had been in Charles' (albeit via her sisters and other relatives) so MM had a few significant challenges to surmount from the outset.

MM had no senior royal goading her love interest to propose as Diana had with Philip. MM wasn't or still isn't a TV or film star in any sense of word - rather, an American working in yet another foreign country (Canada) on a little known series. You have to give her props for scaling the social ladder from her level to actually enticing the likes of a member of the BRF in a matter of months to proposing.

The age difference between Diana and MM is also significant. Diana had just left her teenage years when she married Charles. MM turns 37 next month. There is a heck of a difference between a 19 year old and a 36 year old in terms of self-awareness, world view, opinions and basic maturity. Diana had stars in her eyes, all she ever knew was the BRF socially while MM came to it having been fully versed on her in-laws via books and media. MM is no ingenue, despite her protestations of not knowing anything about Harry's family.

Diana's aristocratic background and sense of elegance shone through on so many levels and made her beloved by the masses instantly and ever more so at the end of her life. MM is a manufactured construct who is painfully trying to blaze her way onto social media using social media for her own aggrandizement. I don't see these two women as being similar beyond a superficial goal of 'marrying up' The irony is that Diana was actually marrying down - but that's a whole different story.

[quote] while MM came to it having been fully versed on her in-laws via books and media.

I don't disagree with your comment, R26, but if that is true, I am really baffled by how ignorant she has shown herself to be about how the RF seems to operate and how the press that covers the RF operates. And how they would react to her PR, her clothes, (beginning with the $75.000 dress for the engagement photo), her faux pas with regards to protocol, etc. Not to mention what I suspect has been her ignorance about Harry's true financial situation.

I more and more think while she may have cunningly moved to land Harry, she is just not very smart. She's not acting smart, in any case.

R3, the people you named with training and ladies-in-waiting were married to the heir to the throne. Meghan is lower tier, Fergie level. I'm sure she received training though; and surely those outings with the Queen, (and even pre-wedding events!) were meant to help her assimilate, if she chose to learn.

I'm beginning to wonder if she just might suffer from anxiety? Especially when she has to be herself and not some role. Other actresses have talked about being that way. Nicole Kidman for one. She was so freaked out by red carpet events that she had to request a private entry for years.

MM lookng a real trooper here, r29.

MM "I wouldn't call it a whirlwind' as Harry looks down, at r30 interview.

^ Not a whirlwind. More like a strategic campaign.

R26 - The differences you mention are all authentic, but my posts on the "dark tides" were really aimed at a much deeper kinship on a deeper psychological level re this union. To me it is ironic that with all their surface differences, Diana and Meghan each fell into the same trap, so to speak: marrying a prince will redeem my lousy childhood where my needs were overlooked , no one will ever be able to overlook me again, I will be the center of attention, I will feel safe, I will not have to scream to make myself heard ever again.

Diana for all her social status and wealth, was emotionally neglected as a child by her warring parents. Meghan was from a fractured, chaotic family with a confused sense of identity - both from a young age fantasised about what being part of the BRF would be like, what being a Princess would be like. Both got that rarest of all opportunities and made the most of it, using the press to secure their entree.

I don't doubt that the BRF is under no illusions about Markle and her motivations, no matter how friendly they appear to her in public. I suspect that Harry's friends are also under no illusions about her, but also do the decent thing and appear friendly and accepting in public when the cameras are on them, such as at the Spencer wedding. Quite honestly, I think Chelsey Davey's emotional expression at the wedding had more to do with a woman's keen appreciation of who Markle really is, and what Harry was letting himself in for, than regret at losing him.

But that, of course, wouldn't have made such a good story on the DM and CB, would it?

R23

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R23, although, it has been said that Charles was super sensitive where Phillip was concerned. A man of say, William's, temperment would not have interpreted Phillip's advice as "Marry the girl or ruin her.", but Charles was afraid of his father and always took the worst interpretation. As well, "Whatever "in love" means" is typical Charles exisential b.s. He was full on barmy at the time, speaking aloud his stream of consciousness about everything. Diana, of course, was "Oh. My. God." but that is Charles. Charles was also in a similar situation to Harry, so there is that. The women he ought to have married he asked too late, were already married (Camilla - terrible timing with that one), or weren't interested. Camilla, Jane Spencer (who told the press she wasn't in love), Anna Wallace, Amanda Kuchner (sp?) blah blah blah.

I believe Harry has been in love with a woman once in his life - with Chelsy Davy - but he cheated (and supposedly she cheated). They were too young, a la Kate and William, but unlike Kate and William didn't persevere through the on and off and finally commit. I also think if Harry were more like William, who has a clearer head and sense of self, IMO, while still being Harry, Chelsy might have overcome her reservations, but Harry has never matured, and royal life with an immature Harry is just not enough. I think Harry would have settled for Cressida Bonas, who is reasonably intelligent, reasonably interesting, of good family, trustworthy, etc., but she wasn't in love and he wasn't in love and she ultimately pulled the plug. After her was Soho house and reckless behavior and in comes Markle. My guess he was probably at that histrionic stage of, "I'll never find true love -may as well marry her as anyone else - she wants the job and is well prepared!"

He was wrong, so we're now all very entertained.

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R36 - No one really knows. She never looked ecstatically happy with him and is pursuing a career as a real actress - a stage actress. Her current BF is quite the hot stud, far more so than Harry. Chelsy Davey was the woman who seemed to suit him best - it was a tragic case of bad timing. And, as Sparkle will tell you with a gleam in her eye, in life, timing is everything.

Will's favoured pick to marry was Isabella Calthorpe, r35 oft-cited by British tabloids as “the one that got away” (apparently Prince Charles gets wistful because Calthorpe is well bred or whatever).

Cressida was nuts about Harry, r37.

r38 Calthorpe is Cressida's elder half-sister, they share the same mother, the multiple-married Mary Curzon, who makes Carole Middleton look like a saint in the ego and deportment department.

Calthorpe is gorgeous and an aristo, but unsuited for royal life with the Windsors. She has aspirations of becoming an actress (like younger sis) and eventually married Richard Branson's son, a far better match for her personally and socially. She would have never withstood royal life and all the scrutiny - I doubt Charles (or William) is wistful that she never got together with him.

She was a huge crush for William, nothing more. She fits the blonde bombshell model many Englishmen of his class go for. If they had dated, it would have been for a few months, a year tops.

Agree, r40 and yes, it's well-known they're half-sisters. But Wills was very hot for her and finally had to settle for Kate.

'Way back in 2007, the former Kate Middleton was said to have been momentarily dumped by Prince William for Isabella Calthorpe, who is Cressida's half sister.'

R39 - Hm, perhaps at first. One would hope she was enamoured with him at least at first. But I don't think she was happy in the relationship, not the way Chelsy looked at the height of their romance. It was also put about that the Middletons were not happy at the prospect of a Bonas-Harry union: Cressida had been born as the article that Carole raised Kate to become, and she was younger than Kate, blonde and lovely with that effortless, fine-boned English Rose look. I think they were imagining that she would show Kate up for an arriviste whose complexion was more art than nature. Comes under the heading of "be careful what you wish for". With the nearly ceaseless brouhaha around Meghan Markle, they might now wish the quiet, reserved Bonas had been Harry's choice, after all.

Or Chelsy - a lawyer and from money, lots of money, r42.

I think Kate is beautiful, more beautiful than any of these blondes discussed.

It's all academic (and somewhat interbred) but the sense I have is Isabella Calthorpe was to William what Pippa was to Harry, a boyish infatuation that was never going anywhere beyond fancy. Enduring love, of the kind their father has held for Camilla through all of it, if history is to teach us is for William it would always be Kate and for Harry, Chelsy.

(It will be interesting to watch Harry's reaction when Chelsy ties the knot.)

I disagree R38 . Charles did the well-bred tall leggy blonde thing and that didn't work out so well for him. I doubt he would be so inclined to inflict that trauma upon his own son.

A few comments on the recent posts.... Cressida had just finished her degree in dance and had high hopes for a theatrical career. Life in the BRF would have meant canceling that, and all just to be in the background. She also resented the nastiness she got in public when she was just going about her life in London. The final straw was when Harry refused to pay for her air ticket to his friend's wedding in the US, and she didn't have much money.

I think both Harry and Meghan were blindsided by the Markles' outrageous press interviews actually trashing her character and warning Harry. Talk about the Clampetts on the loose! Apart from the diplomat uncle, her family is classic white trash. Her poor father is now an object of pity, no point deriding him. As far as MM was concerned, she had dumped them years ago. I was actually rather surprised they didn't didn't delay or cancel the wedding. And I think something has now occurred behind the scenes, either with a carrot or a very large stick, because the irrepressible Markle siblings and nephew have been uncharacteristically quiet.

One reason things have settled down quite well with Kate is that her family knows how to behave and has behaved impeccably. The only thing I can recall is her sister being photographed in Paris with someone holding a gun in a convertible car. What's so hard about 'No interviews', really? They always look impeccable at any event; in fact, Carole is often the best turned out there, eg, the wedding and George's christening. Also, Kate is English, she had been around the aristocracy for a long time, and she knows the drill. She has had her critics over her lack of career and extravagance, ie, the two kitchens, but she cocoons herself with her own children and family, well out of the public eye. Apart from succumbing to peer pressure occasionally, eg the dad dancing in Verbier at a stag do, Wills knows what he has to do. You won't see the BRF rocked by scandal from his side.

For those who are saying that Chelsy Davy was Harry's true love, they had another go in 2014 after he broke up with Cressida. It really wasn't meant to be. She said time and again, she couldn't bear the scrutiny. Chelsy is a party girl, with loads of friends. Royal life would have been dull and restrictive.

Why did Harry refuse to pay for her air ticket, R47? Surely he cannot be that cheap? Maybe he just didn’t want her to come? Otherwise, if royal gurlfriends are expected to pay their way, I wonder how it went with Meghan. Maybe she assumed that she had to hold out only until they were married, and then she’ll get the access to the BRF’s immense wealth, so she was faking being rich throughout their courtship. Might explain a couple of things too (why BRF didn’t offer her help in dealing with her family or sorting out her wardrobe).

I just read it, R49. I think it was Guy Pelly's wedding in Tennessee. I think the RF did offer to send someone to help Thomas Markle.

And apparently a very experienced courtier, Samantha Cohen, has been assigned to MM for the next 6 months to shape her up to duchess standards. i think it's pretty clear that MM is merching. There is no way in the world she or even Harry could pay £54,000 for her engagement dress. Not sure about the £200,000 wedding gown.

I remember the air ticket fiasco, r47. Other posters have said H is notoriously cheap. I figured, at the time it happened, that H had found a way to get rid of her by using the 'buy your own way' excuse. One point I kind of disagree on is Cressida would have given her left arm to marry H. In fact Cressida's mother - Lady Mary-Gaye Georgiana Lorna Curzon - actively campaigned via the DM to promote her daughter as suitable royal marriage material for weeks on end after the split. I recall reading DM reader comments telling the DM to quit with the Cressida articles. But as we know as per the Beckham's own aggressive social media PR tactics, Cressida's mum wanted her daughter married to Harry and she shamelessly used the DM and other outlets to get that point across.

This photo shows Harry and Cressida with in tow arriving at King Cross Station with girlfriend Cressida Bonas after spending the weekend in Northumberland. Cressy was entirely dispensable.

Harry with Cressida in tow

People forget that William dragged his heels wrt Kate for years and she tolerated it for a long time. On University holidays, he'd go off to Kenya to hang out with Jecca Craig on her family's ranch/preserve. His posh friends were not welcoming, they thought Kate was dull and middle class and made snobby jokes about her parents' origins. I wonder if ironically, MM is more acceptable by that set because "Hollywood" has a kind of foreign glamour because she was able to summon up George Clooney! Serena Williams! to the wedding.

William was also told to make up his mind re Kate and ultimately he realized, like Charles before him, that none of his other girlfriends wanted the job and the scrutiny, so he settled on Kate and she's been pregnant ever since.

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Meghan needs a well-fitted capsule wardrobe. It would be less expensive if she had a dressmaker take all her measurements and create some basic garments from scratch. Isn’t that what the Queen does? I mean, can you purchase an electric violet suit in a store somewhere?

Meghan’s body can’t be dressed off the rack. So she may as well get some basic garments made to her body’s specs - some sheath dresses, pencil skirts, wide-legged pants (is she allowed to wear pants?) that really flatter her. And then she can get creative with accessories and blouses.

And for the love of god, she needs to get some good shoes that fit. One pair of black pumps looks just like another. She can find a pump that fits and get one in every color.

Trousers for MeAgain. And proper fitted court shoes. Problem solved.

You're joking, right r53? Meghan Markle and HOLLYWOOD in the same sentence.

R53 - interesting points but the truth is, Sparkle really wasn't "Hollywood" - the furthest she got by the age of 35 was a secondary role on a non-network show that was rather a joke and filmed in Toronto - she had the typical L.A. D-lister desperation to be an A-lister, but she was never really "Hollywood" and was never going to get that. She never got a film job in her life. So even her acting career is a case of "less there than meets the eye". She's more or less a fraud on all counts, including being a royal duchess.

Harry is dim, immature, and impressionable, so it's not surprising he fell for the veneer. But then, it's hardly likely he'd have pulled a first-class film star, is it?

He's something of a third-rate prince despite the pedigree, and she's something of a third-rate actress. In most respects, the equation balances. It's how the underlying psychological issues play out that interests me.

I have more admiration for Kate than I used to. I have several adult nieces (I've mentioned the struggle of one with feared infertility at just Meghan's age) and they all went out in their twenties and forged careers and had aims, goals, interests, as opposed to Kate, whose only interest seemed to be hooking the matrimonial prize of her generation. They all married at about 30 except the one who married at 36. All have combined, with some difficulty that is typical these days, family and working life. Kate seemed like a throwback to another era, as, in fact, Diana did in the 1980s. "Post-feminist" they called it.

But fair play to Kate, she was at least intensely loyal to William and still is, genuinely loves him and always did.. I suspect she's an excellent mother, as well, and she will never be a problem for the family. William was right to stick with her.

But I cannot lose the impression that for Meghan, Harry was what she wanted, not who she wanted. And, interestingly, looking back at the engagement photoc-call for Charles and Diana, she said, "I never had any doubts about it. It was what I want; It is what I want." (note the "it", not "him".

Meghan is pretty transparent and she landed precisely the type who couldn't see through her: Harry. He may be slowly realizing what a botched up mess he's gotten himself into but he's stuck. And she knows it too.

I differ with some posters above on Sparkle's looks: I think she is an average nice-looking girl who used every trick in the book to enhance what she had, from the nose job to the hair straightening to the time she spent with breast implants (she removed them later on,, you can plainly see them in that Suitcase Girl photo in her Deal or No Deal days). You can see thousands of Latinas in L.A. and Manhattan who look just as nice, it's a fairly recognisable look. What did the Jennifer Lopez call herself - "Jenny from the block"? That's what Sparkle looks like to me: a pretty Latina from the block. And her face is starting to look a bit unbalanced - I think she's had more work done than just the nose job.

And contrary to the "black don't crack" mantra, she looks more white than black and she's already starting to crack around the eyes and forehead. I don't think she's going to age well.

Her 'looks' from a facial standpoint aren't really under discussion, r61. It's rather her total lack of style for her body type. And the absence of appropriate conduct when out on 'royal duties.'

I am with you, R56. People would respect her more if she had a basic working wardrobe, actually a lot like what she wore on Suits. Black, grey or navy pencil skirts or trousers, white blouse, blazer or coat in matching or contrasting colours. Shift dresses in a variety of colours, light for summer, hitting just at the top of the knee. Simple court shoes without exaggerated pointy toes or stiletto heels. She could dress it up with silk scarves. She'd do well to cut her hair to chin- or shoulder-length.The long hair is too juvenile and the buns are just plain ugly. Queen Letizia hits it out of the park every time; she looks chic, modern, sophisticated, and competent, as well as always feminine and attractive. And yet she manages to do it often wearing Zara and Mango, what a woman!!

I am with you, R56. People would respect her more if she had a basic working wardrobe, actually a lot like what she wore on Suits. Black, grey or navy pencil skirts or trousers, white blouse, blazer or coat in matching or contrasting colours. Shift dresses in a variety of colours, light for summer. Simple court shoes without exaggerated pointy toes or stiletto heels. She could dress it up with silk scarves. She'd do well to cut her hair to chin- or shoulder-length.The long hair is too juvenile and the buns are just plain ugly. Queen Letizia hits it out of the park every time; she looks chic, modern, sophisticated, and competent, as well as always feminine and attractive. And yet she manages to do it often wearing Zara and Mango, what a woman!

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Agree r59, she was more Hollywood Adjacent but she did rack up some big names as wedding guests. They weren't actual friends but there was enough of a connection to get them to come. IIRC, Joan Rivers was invited to Charles and Diana's so MM outscored there.

Kate deserved her Waity Katey nickname. When she finally decided to force the issue and break it off (2007?), she announced all these grand plans. One was being involved in some kind of Rowing Across the Channel for Charity challenge so she threw herself into preparations for that, working out with the rest of the team. Then, a week or two later, William caved and she dropped the Challenge and all her other plans immediately. Like, see ya! and she went running back to him. William realized that she was "suitable" after all and he did like hanging out with her family.

He knew he didn't have the freedom that his pals have to marry/divorce/play around so he made the best of it. And Kate really wanted it. Yup, she's not going to embarrass the BRF. Totally different situation with MM. Everyone assumed, as an actress, she'd at least be poised and well dressed.

Queen Letizia has been getting raked over the coals in Spain for (among other things) ripping off Queen Rania’s style and look, down to her nose job.

Queen Rania has a better figure and more pulled together, IMHO.

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Is the Daily Fail paying her? You would think the BRF would be able to lean on the newspapers not to publish these rants but maybe that kind of clout ended with the Wallis Simpson black out.

Letizia isn't that well liked in Spain, despite her very highly developed style sense. She and the royals have come in for a good deal of criticism in recent years, and there have been noticeable tensions between her and her mother in law, Queen Sofia. Letizia is viewed as cold, haught,y, manipulative, and there are lots of rumours that she did a bit of "yachting" before her marriage.

R71 - I cannot imagine that the DM isn't paying Nutmeg's sister. The DM hates Sparkle's guts and in-between sugary articles about how she "stuns" in this or that outfit, is committed to a long-term campaign against her. The DM is willing to pay to keep material flowing in that direction. It works out well for Ms Grant and the DM.

What is all the hullabaloo and fixation about having "common" roots? What precisely is wrong about being common? Are commoners in the UK thought to be ineducable, innately unable to be kind, have good manners or be thoughtful? (how well has Bonny Prince Charles fit any of these across the years?) Or is having ambition and progressing on some kind of merit as the Middletons did just a cardinal sin in UK society? Even commoners seem self-loathing (e.g. Daily Mail comments). It's almost seems like the Trumpkins who hate the "elite" (i.e. those who have educations despite working class or immigrant backgrounds and succeeded)

What to do you mean, the DM hates Sparkle's guts? You mean the readership or the owners? I think the DM is just cynically after clicks and whatever riles the British public up will generate them. The public hates Sparkle because they see her as someone who has conned Harry into marrying her and consequently they have been stuck paying the outrageous bills.

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R74 - Both. The DM has neither forgiven nor forgotten Sparkle's ill-advised threats to the British press in fall 2016, a year before she and Harry were even engaged. That said, it is quite true that the stock in trade of tabs like the DM is building up and tearing down; rinse, repeat. But they have a particular animus toward Meghan and Harry. Even in their surface "complimentary" coverage of her, you can spot the malicious subtext.

r72 yes they're paying her relatives - for now. But for how much longer? They will eventually run out of new stories or anything interesting to say. The DM and other UK/US tabs will tire of them.

I think that's H&M's and KPs strategy here, on the long run: starve her fam of oxygen until they suffocate, in term of their public visibility. They they just fade away.

R71 - the BRF has enormous clout - depending on how articles are phrased and how liable to lawsuits the coverage is. In this case, the DM is on safe ground because it is Miss Grant making the remarks, not the DM, and the BRF wouldn't have a leg to stand on in accusing the DM of libel. They're just covering the news. If you read the coverage of Miss Grant's Twitter rant, you will see that the DM bends over backward to be censorious of Miss Grant - but whilst giving her a platform for her rant and paying her for it. In this case, the BRF is helpless and has no case against the DM - and that's how the DM is playing it. They know just how far they can go and how to stick it to Harry and Meghan whilst dancing away from any possible legal responsibility. The BRF can either make Miss Grant and Markle, Sr., an offer they can't refuse to go away, or just ignore them and hope that they just get tired of the game and go away.

As someone said, it is dangerous to make an enemy of someone who can afford barrels of ink. And, of course, solicitors on the payroll who know the press intrusion and libel boundaries to a nicety.

R77 - perhaps. But much depends on how well Nutmeg does with the British public. If she keeps feeding the tabs material with her extravagant clothes, for instance, there will be plenty of oxygen about. Harry and Meghan ignoring the Grant/Markle attacks is meaningless. It's weather Harry and Meghan provide the tabs with enough material to make it worthwhile throwing another log on the fire. That's what I was so bemused at Sparkle's tone deafness re her ridiculously expensive engagement photo gown and the parade of foreign luxury brands she's been wearing. If there's a backlash, believe me: there will be further payouts to Markle's family to fan the flames against the Duchess.

Well, damn,, "whether Harry and Meghan provide the tabs" not "weather".

R79

The British should be happy that Meghan is merching. At least they are not paying for her wardrobe.

Germaine Greer's amusing (pre-wedding) take on MM's 'cow turd hat' and other observations.

Harry deeply contemplating.....his next polo match.

R81 - all right, let's say she is merching. The BRF's stance on this is well-known. What do you think will happen when Charles's expenses come out next year and there is, mysteriously, either no cost listed for Sparkle's wardrobe or so low a cost that no one will believe it. What do you think the response would be? Harry is paying? We know what his income is and her wardrobe wouldn't leave enough over for a bucket of oats for his polo pony. She is paying for the clothes? No one will believe that, either. She's still an American citizen so doesn't have to follow the BRF's rules?

Or, my personal favourite: Harry and Meghan made a joint decision to "merch" in order to spare the British taxpayer the cost of her very badly needed haute couture wardrobe. Now there's a strategy! It makes H&M look noble instead of like scroungers, and makes Kate Middleton look like a willing burden on the taxpayers.

Of course, that still leaves over the question: why is a newly minted member of the British Royal Family refusing to support the fashion industry of her (allegedly) soon to be adopted country?

No, really - sooner or later, if she's merching, it comes out one way or the other, and frankly, I don't see it coming out favourably for her. So why risk it?

Awkward MM moments.

Charles made Harry look like a big spender. He would call his dates (including Diana) at the last minute for opera or other events, and would expect the woman to find her own transportation to BP. On the rare occasions he would send flowers, it was clear the bare minimum of thought was involved.

That's why he couldn't get anyone until naive Diana came along. Even the whore Camilla gave up the first time.

Camilla was crazy about this Parker Bowles fellow. Apparently, he was quite the catch. Camilla picked him over Charles.

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No, R36, Harry thought he was just starting to transition her to a more public role in his life when she decided they had run their course. She always wanted to act/dance anyway.

Water under the bridge now, r89.

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R75 - is it Meghan handwriting? I thought she used to earn her living as a calligrapher. What’s this chicken scratch?

I love the DM's transparent technique of praising someone lavishly for something that is their weakest point, eg, Princess Beatrice's style credentials or her mother's stunning figure. Guaranteed to generate clocks and comments.

Clicks not clocks!

The “unbalanced” look that R61 mentions is likely due to fillers and botox. They can create subtle fullness that isn’t really noticeable, yet it erases certain hollows and creates new planes. You can get it, have zero downtime, and appear the very next day in a new “refreshed” state, looking slightly different, but it’s hard to put one’s finger on what it is. Then it settles and fades and the cycle starts all over. And results can really vary from one treatment to the next. A little too much and you can look too full and frozen, and it can even alter how your eyes look when you smile. Too much cheek and all of a sudden you’re looking Russian or slightly Asian. Megan’s face has been shifting all over the place. But all of Hollywood does it.

Regarding never landing a movie role, I do remember catching Horrible Bosses on TV recently and one scene called for a hottie UPS delivery woman. I remember thinking, “Who is this Jessica Alba-looking woman? She’s a pretty Latina. But, wow, quite a terrible actress.” (It reminded me of Maxine Bahns in Ed Burns’ movie — very cute but utterly incapable but of believable acting.) Later on I realized it was Miss Markle!

Prince Harry has spent £8,000 on a first edition Winnie The Pooh as a gift for his nephew Louis' christening today. The baby is 11-weeks-old. When a $5.00 rubber duckie probably would have delighted the BABY.

R96 - Yes, I saw that about the first edition. I suppose as a christening gift for the fifth in line for the throne, ordering a copy from Amazon wouldn't have been quite enough. Just the same, it is a very large sum for a christening gift and again supports the narrative of the extravagant ways of the Sussexes.

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Yellow Bird is on another cover. It must be a slow news week.

R98 - they always go to friends and more distant family members for these. None of Prince Charles's siblings were godparents to either of his children, either, and neither Diana nor Charles were godparents to Fergie's kids. They just don't do siblings for godparents.

The only message here is that this is the way it's always been done.

R99 - she looks like a banana going bad from the top down.

So the Queen is not attending little Louis's christening? Is this alarming or does she just not want to leave Windsor?

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Olive green? Everyone else in pastels and she shows up in army green?

Kate looks like an old hag.

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I like this- everything fits too.

Harry doesn't look the least bit thrilled. Face like thunder.

Somebody forgot to tell MM it's summer in England, where one usually wears pastels especially to formal family events such as christenings.

Why is she holding leather gloves? It’s like she’s playing dress up.

R105 - she looks like a very royal and very loving mother. I give her props for not being cowed by all the brouhaha around Markle's wardrobe and sticking to what is a very reassuringly British and royal look. She also looks incredibly happy and can barely take her eyes off the baby.

Sparkle, on the other hand, once again aims for something she can't carry off: a minimalist look but one that looks too big on top and that accentuates her boxiness between shoulders and hips, a belt that accentuates her lack of a waist, and a colour that can only be called heinous. My guess is that she wanted to go for a neutral that would make her stand out against all the other ladies' classic summer christening pastels. I will say the hat is lovely - if only it were another colour. Because there is no woman that olive green flatters, and God knows how much bronzer she had to slather on to make off for the sallowing of the olive green, and the matching leather gloves make it look like she opted for an October look in early July, so they look like a silly affectation.

"how much bronzer she had to slather ON"

R111

I don't mind the style of dress but the color of olive green is pretty hideous. It washes her out. The hat looks like she stayed up all night making it herself. Nutmeg just can't seem to pull it all together.

It's Ralph Lauren

One hat to another.

Hats off!

Louis is a cutie! I don't know why but when I saw Louis in his first appearance outside the hospital when his parents were taking him home, I thought he was going to be the best looking of the Cambridge children. My feeling was reinforced when Charlotte had her birthday picture taken with him and these photos now confirm it. Look at those eyelashes!

Kate looks great!

A comparison of Kate's three christening outfits.

Charlotte in a serious mood. She means business. LOL.

Georgie talks with his hands.

Baby Louis slept through all of the excitement.

Kate for not look great. That hat looks like it was a hand me down from the Queen Mother.

When is Meghan going to wear an actual British designer?

You can't get any more American than Ralph Lauren.

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I am laughing my ass off that MeAgain brought leather gloves with her, in July, as an accessory.

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R126, me too. I’m cracking up. What on earth was she thinking?

The color was a tad WTF, but the gloves are positively baffling.

DM throwing shade at MeAgain:

Here comes aunt Meghan! Duchess of Sussex looks elegant in an olive green shift dress by Ralph Lauren as she joins Prince Harry at baby Louis' christening

TYPED IN BIG BLACK LETTERS

I don't like it, again. It has the wrong vibe for a christening. It's somehow too uptight, overdressed or overdone-- or maybe it's the gloves! Meghan is like a Beverly Hillbilly-- seemingly thinking buying a designer to-do, throwing the most money at something stands in for having taste.

I can’t believe Meghan’s christening outfit.

I can’t imsgine anything worse.

I am speechless.

Even Granny had better legs than MeAgain, r130.

I see subtext in Kate's head piece. That's a crown bitches, lest you forget who will be Queen.

R130 - The colour and the gloves are the hallmark of Sparkle's struggles with her new life, and I suspect reflect more issues than just a pathetically off reading of what royal and class mean.

But worst of all the outfit reminds one of something Tippi Hedren would have worn in "Marnie" or "The Birds" - only Hedren's blonde looks and beautiful legs would have made it at least bearable.

R133 - you know, that thought passed through my mind quickly, too, glad you mentioned it. It is rather coronet-ish.

Isn’t there any effort to coordinate colors of the outfits? Why is Markle dressed for October when everyone else is in light colors?

And will someone PLEASE explain to Meghan that (1) she looks terrible in earth tones and (2) the BRF reserves earth tones for the country?

Good catch!, r133.

The video is funny- everyone filing out of the church in pinks and pastel blues and creams, and then here come GI Joe, dead last. Even the god dam kids are in light colors!

Even the Queen knows you don't wear dark colours at royal events.

R136 - to answer your question: to turn the spotlight on herself and stand out from the crowd.

The dress doesn’t fit.

Shoes and hat look cheap and cheesy.

Color is terrible.

Not a British designer.

She clashes with the rest of the group.

I think Meghan is trolling us..

Can the "Nutmeg" "merching" troll head straight back to the bat shit crazy frauen at the Royal Dish.

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brightest

Pastels are always the preferred palette for royals. In Summer.

Sparkle is like a roach. She'll soon fade into the woodwork, because she doesn't have the stamina for the light and, as noted, she's old and has terrible taste without the character - like Anne - to manage the brand.

Actually, Kate’s hat shares a passing resemblance to the hat Wallis Simpson wore to her wedding.

R143 - I suspect the blue tie and suit Haz wore were a nod to the baby's gender, although people tend to be careful about that in these decadent days (not that Haz would realise that). But it does seem as if they didn't talk to each other prior to setting out so the colour clash is outrageous.

The outfit that really would have been perfect for this occasion would have been the blush-coloured simple Goat dress and Treacy hat that Meghan wore to Charles's garden party a few days after the wedding. That looks like a summery royal christening outfit (even if there is a suggestion of pink).

Instead, she looks like a Sotheby's Luxury Real Estate sales rep, off to meet a client looking at penthouses on Sutton Place as the New York season opens in the fall.

I think the concept of wearing olive green ws to make her look 'EXOTIC' and to stand out as a previous poster said. MeAgain has got it in her head that she's this irresistible, nubile, charming, and chic lady. That's the image in her head. She doesn't see the disconnect, so she shows up looking dressed for a different play, different scene. She can't for the life of her follow the script (advice) - fashion-wise.

R142 - Do you notice the merch troll never answers my ongoing question: what does the BRF respond when (theoretically) it becomes clear that Charles isn't buying Sparkle's clothes, and that as Harry couldn't possibly afford to at the rate she's going, she's doing exactly what she's not supposed to do: merching for freebies - mostly from non-British designers? If Clarence House isn't getting her clothing bills, wouldn't Charles know something is up by now, and ask?

It's amazing the difference in Harry's demeanor towards MM looking at the Nov 28, 2017 pic where she trotted out in her first fashion fail. Harry was seriously smitten, proud, ecstatic, and you could see it in his eyes.

But there seems to have been a shift from that time - if you look at the Ascot photos of the couple - Harry looking bored and dejected. At Louis' christening - a day of supposed great joy and merriment - he looked downright angry, hostile and depressed. William looked tense - don't know what type of conversations the two brothers have had but they are dealing with staff departures at KP on top of the MM issue. Meanwhile, Kate, feeling ever more secure and looking exuberant, was floating on air.

I found an article and link to it which provides an interesting take on the difference between royalty and celebrity. It was written in November and is almost prescient given the seemingly dark cloud hanging over Harry as of late.

Excerpt from Link:

Markle’s significance, and indeed her risk, is not that she is black but rather that she is a celebrity. Royalty and celebrity are not the same thing. Celebrity is the industry that surrounds having a high profile, whereas Royalty is about using status to do good. When the lines between the two blur, problems can arise.

DM Comment is priceless:

She may just have well have worn combats and DMs, ghastly camo green colour and a beret to boot. I wonder if she is getting fed up with church services yet.

[quote] Meanwhile, Kate, feeling ever more secure and looking exuberant, was floating on air.

For whatever reason or reasons (and it most probably is a glorious, simple joy in her baby - Look at her face!!!) Kate is deliriously happy in these pictures and as someone up thread mentioned, barely takes her eyes off her baby.

Harry looks miserable.

I agree R154. Harry looks like he's had it!

I don't know if there is any truth to this but I picked up these two comments on DM:

1. It's only a matter of time before the tape is released, the clock is ticking.....(Barcelona)

2. A "video" is being held for a six figure ransom. Guess who? (LA)

R156 - if there were any truth to these, they would have been released in time to stop the wedding. If there were a video, six figures wouldn't remotely cover it: the owners would be holding out for enough to get them a villa in Tuscany, a flat in Belgravia, and that E-type Jaguar.

These comments are from trolls. Probably two nutjobs who get their ideas from Cumberbatch's lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists still insisting his wife in reality is a Dalek, his children photoshopped/adopted, and his marriage about to end any - day - now.

Anything but that he actually voluntarily fucked the woman and impregnated her.

But, that said . . .

I like the color of Meghan's dress, the fit, too. I can't imagine how boring it must be to sit through all those ceremonies. I hope the after parties make it worthwhile. I wonder if Meghan has time now to work on the interests she has in activism.

In addition to the strange and unseasonal choice of colour and the leather gloves (maybe they're into bondage?), if you watch the video, you will be a bit surprised to see that despite walking directly toward My Lord Archbishop of Canterbury and a royal christening . . . MeAgain was full sway into her sexy strut walk. If you think her ensemble seemed "off" in photos, watch the video. She looks like she's playing the vicious wife played by Joanne Woodward in Mark Robson's "From the Terrace".

I wonder if this is some form of pathetic bravado - the nearly 37-year-old childless outsider actress attending the christening of the third child of the happy fecund future Queen, defiantly playing the I'm The Sexy One card as she watches Kate's glowing face bending over her baby . . .

All right, I'll stop. But it's an interesting take and until I saw her truly inappropriate sashaying in that absurd outfit, it never occurred to me.

I am loving Meghan's big fuck you to the DM , BRF groupies and to expectations all together. ! Harry does not seem to have the heart for it but my girl, Megs is doing just fine. I knew she was winner the day a guard told her that "Royals" do not hug. She said I am an American and we hug. She then gave the gurad a big old hug!!! Raplh Lauren......a good old American designer!

R160 oh, you again. Sure a big fuck you to the family that let her in despite her being divorced, American, biracial, and pushing 40. A big fuck you to the people who have thrown her into the lap of luxury. A big fuck you to the people are now giving her everything she has.

And a big fuck you to the people who can take it away from her in an eye blink. Remember how Diana and Fergie flipped the bird at the BRF? HRHs gone, allowances gone, luxury homes gone, and just a has-been merching herself to millionaires on yachts in hopes someone will take Harry's sloppy seconds.

I don't know who's more out of touch with reality: you or her.

R143 I don't think these two talk much ...

I like, but don't love, the dress; I like the color. But not together.

The flaw in the sheath is the slight ruching on top of the high waisted seam and below the breasts. It's interrupts her vertical line, the one thing she needs more of.

Instead, the slight ruching should be giving her a slight horizontal line read: a waistline. The ruching therefore, if any, should be placed on the side seams at her waist.

R161, are you implying that it's a bad thing that's she's biracial?

oops- it interrupts her vertical line.

I love that they're so coarse and common and uncouth and disrespectful of protocol and fashion. Fits with Harry's freewheeling personality. They're a breath of fresh air in a stale world of ticking clocks. Maybe they'll unwttingly save the monarchy.

Nah, hate to break it to you R166 but Nutmeg and Ginger are Fergie and Randy Andy 2.0, millennial style. There is no longevity whatsoever between these two. Sit back, relax, and watch all their juicy scandals yet to come... It's gonna be fun.

r156 again. Another strange DM comment:

""Well, I guess this explains why Harry looks miserable... "A dossier of proof of the exploits of this former actress was delivered. Apparently there is a ransom attached that is upwards of eight figures. I have no doubts they will follow through on their threat to put it all on a pay per view website if their demands are not met. It is incredibly damning. It also is probably why things have been kind of frosty the past few days with the married couple".

These comments alluding to a video or dosser could well be bogus, put out by trolls, but am posting this anyway. For the last time.

Tend to agree, fasten your seatbelts, the HM rollercoaster ride has begun, r167. As we witness the potential demise of the marriage, I wonder what clever mechanisms or tactics BP will pull out to make it go away. Make MM go away quietly. If it comes to that, of course.

R167 and r169, I agree and look forward to the shenanigans. You know they’ll deliver, unlike Kate and Wills

Obviously she injects and uses fillers and botox and lip stuff but I call nonsense on the boob job. The deal or no deal is her actual boobs shoved up and practically out of her dress, while what's in the dress is padding. The cleavage is 99% contour - just look at the girls who actually have bigger boobs. Her boobs sit high - or did, so it wasn't difficult to do - a billion small boobed girls have had the look. Wendy Moniz (former GL actress) is flat-chested but Guiding Light would stick her in wonder bras and then use contour.

R168, that's a new CDAN blind. So, as much fun as it would be if true, it's likely bullshit.

R166 you think prissy Miss Markle is uncouth? If only! She's trying so hard to be refined. The walk. The posing. The facial expressions. The "light touches". The "I got this duchess outfit on Amazon" . She is a shell. There is no spontaneity there at all. Now Fergie - SHE was uncouth. She was also on the grift and a hustler, like our Megs, but at least Fergie was loud, raucous, brash and with personality while she did it.

I figure my Meghan and Harry commemorative coin will become a collector's item if/when they split up.

Meghan has no interest in "activism". That falls apart when you look at her CV. She has interest in a luxurious lifestyle, fame, and doing what she wants.

R164 - oh don't go simples on us, will you?

R166 - sure, the way Diana and Sarah Ferguson (two former breaths of fresh air) saved the monarchy.

"Breath of fresh air" - the Knell of Doom for the New Princess Bride.

One day to become the Former Princess Bride.

And Harry isn't "freewheeling". He's just spoilt.

And, r125, in that photo he's fiddling with his wedding ring, heh. Haz hasn't looked happy since, well, when? He even looked apprehensive while awaiting his bride in the chapel.

Agreed, r111. Olive green MAYBE can be pulled off by a Tippi Hedren blonde, but not by a darker shade.

R117, Eyelashes aside, little Louie has the male Windsor nose. Let's hope all the children have their mother's teeth!

Uhmmm R161, she met Harry while yachting so it will not be foreign to her. Ole Megs is not Diana and Fergie, she will ghost the BRF way before they get around to ghosting her. Besides like a true grifter, she knows when to cash in and move on.

Yes that's part of why she's so annoying. She's so fake and uptight, with that simpering psychobabble, smiling at the air pretending she's talking to someone, posing, trying to be "fancy." Let your hair down ( maybe curls out?,) enjoy yourself instead of being so self conscious. Have that old fool your father over! Everyone knows he's your dad. Look at Camilla- she's loving it, doesn't care and she captured a king.

Not YET, r180!

I've looked at Camilla, unfortunately. She looks liked a burned-out cunt. Those sagging tits are gag-inducing.

DM throwing more shade at MM with this bolded headline:

"Pregnant Pippa looks glowing in a VERY appropriate shade of baby blue - as she joins her parents and brother James for the christening of Prince Louis"

R183 - considering that Pippa's outfit made Sparkle really look like Audrey Hepburn, the DM's shade there is hilarious. Pippa's taste in clothes is beyond baffling. But that headline is typical of the DM's campaign against Sparkle. It's never enough to get them into legal hot water, but it's the kind of opportunity they will never pass up.

R183, was that the DM throwing shade at MM? I took the “VERY appropriate” comment to suggest Pippa is pregnant with a boy.

R185 - I don't think that information has been leaked.

The dress fit awkwardly and seemed to swamp her. The color and the gloves were a disaster. Is no one helping her or does she not listen to anyone?

Harry looks miserable and it has only been a few weeks. Yikes.

Why does she have leather gloves with her. This bitch does not know how to dress. Does she know it is summer not winter. She saw the dress with the glove on the runway and decided "why not wear this dress with leather gloves". She is clearly not bright at all besides fucking her way to the top.

People who can’t follow a template truly fascinate me.

How hard is it to find a nice blue sheath dress?

Meghan would actually look good in blue— not that we’d ever know it, since she insists on wearing these muddy, ghetto colors.

She’s going out of her way to get it wrong.

But why?

Kate looked old in that dress . They all wear clothes for,someone in their seventies . They never heard of a hem just above the knee ? Please they look outdated to me .

Meghan is a stage four clinger, she grabbed on and held tight on Harry's hand as they arrived right behind Wills and Kate at the baptism. Not the time or place for PDA. And would it have killed her to have worn a British designer to the baptism of the son of the future king? Instead she wore ultra American Ralph Lauren and a horrid color that doesn't belong in the summertime. Harry looked miserable as she glommed onto him while walking behind classy looking Kate and William. Instead Megs made it all about her again and people are talking about how inappropriate it was for her to be holding hands in front of England's highest clergy on a day that should have been about Prince Louis' christening.

And those friggin leather gloves. She seems to not even realize its summer. EVERYONE else in attendance wore pastels and light colors and Megs just doesn't get it and wore hideous olive green. I have newfound respect for Pippa and the Middleton family for dressing appropriately for the occasion even though they're "commoners" like Meaghan. They get it. Meg is hopelessly lost. and can't seem to function unless she's clasped hands with Harry. No matter that it was a church service baptizing his nephew.

It was refreshing to see Kate again. She looked so in love with her new son, hardly taking her eyes off of him. William picked very well. In six weeks after marriage Meghan has been an nonstop target for criticism thanks to her wildly spending wardrobe. Kate never brought any such drama, wearing stylish yet affordable high street clothes and only breaking the budget for overseas official trips where she wore designers of the countries she visited.

Agree with most of the comments here. Kate does look radiant, but it is definitely time to get her forehead Botoxed and also a bit of lip filler. People think lip filler only gives ridiculous clown lips but that is not true. A little bit restores lost fullness and no one even realises it has been used. I noticed she has been hitting the red highlights pretty hard, compared to the other christening photos. Perhaps she feels her own dark brunette is ageing.

Clueless Meghan cannot do right for doing wrong. Who wears army green in mid-summer, and who can really pull of army green anyway? No one, that's who, and especially not Winters like MM who need clear, strong colours, or black or white.

And poor Harry looks more miserable than he has since his mother's funeral.

Now that her life is centered around him and she has to act like the rest of the royals Harry will get bored with her.

megs needs some help.

Kate looked like shit. That hat was laughable. She just lucky Megs looked worse.

R191, Kate never brought fashion drama?! Bwahaha! Let me know when Meghan wears a skirt that the wind blows up to her waist.

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I think it’s really dark blue.

Another Givenchy outfit that was pure cocktail party, and so derivative of the Hebpurn look that Sparkle may as well have worn a sign around her neck. Kate, who attended, by contrast looked as if she were representing the British Royal Family at a serious event: a predictable, reassuring, soft-coloured appropriate outfit. Boring? Yes - that's the point.

The other point, which people miss that Kate is quietly pointing up, is that Meghan Markle has made it clear within two months of her wedding that she is primarily about designer clothes, and nothing else. The outfit she wore today would have been more suitable for an afternoon cocktail party at the Larrabee's.

Actually, it now appears that the dress is Dior. In other words, anything but British. And to an event honouring the RAF, the Battle of Britain, ending on the balcony of Buck House with a flypast.

It's redolent of the "New Look" Dior introduced in the 1950s and that Princess Margaret adopted quickly.

R199

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We get it R201...Meghan is literally the incarnation of Satan.

Is she at a funeral.

She seems to look better in dresses without so much fabric, it seems to swamp her. This is better than the dress she wore to the wedding but the skirt is still too much for her. Why not dark shoes? It really does look like a funeral outfit except for all the skin showing.

She can look very pretty at times and from some angles but she is not a beautiful woman. I really do wonder what their children will look like.

R198 - Yes, the dress is navy, not black. Again, most of the other women attending are in traditional light summer colours, while MeAgain wears an inappropriately dark colour. She looks, in fact, like a widow.

I suspect that what is happening now is that Sparkle is realising that all that feminist activist bullshit is just that, bullshit, and that she isn't going to be shaking things up or changing anything, and the only real outlet she has to shake things up is defiantly out of the box [sic] colours. Kate is going to be the appropriately safe future Queen, and Meghan is slipping quickly into the slot not so much occupied by Fergie, as by Princess Margaret, whom most of you, I assume do not remember.

The problem is, the young Margaret was one of the great beauties of the day in her youth and Sparkle - isn't, and at the time Margaret was wearing clothes like this she was 20 years old, with magnificent skin, eyes, and lips, and a tiny little waist.

The dress in and of itself is a shift in line that is flattering to her (Della?). But the colour, type, and little hat make her look absurdly out of place at this event. And that seems to be what she is determined to do: use her clothes to desperately carve out a "look" loaded with what she thinks is glamour, because that is the only arena in which she will ever again have any outlet for personal expansion.

Why should you waste your beautiful mind on something like that?, r204. H&M children will inherit worse DNA than Bea and Eug.

I love that H&M is also the name and of a budget clothing store.

R204 - Oh, come now: all work and no play make Jack a dull boy!

And re the DNA: did you know that shortness is a dominant characteristic, whilst tallness is a recessive one? Rather like the brown eyes dominant/blue eyes recessive thing? Ditto dark hair/red hair?

So Harry's children, in each pregnancy with Sparkle, stand only a 1 in 4 chance of looking more like him than her.

A coat dress like the one Kate wore, is the default look for these occasions. MM went for full Dior drama.

Getting back to the christening, the headpiece that Kate wore seemed to be a call out to the Queen Mary(?) tiara from the early 20th c that MM wore for the wedding. It has the same "rolled" look. Also a few days after MM wore the austere yellow sheath, there was a photo of Kate wearing a dress in the same yellow. The dress was more interesting design-wise and it had some white accents. I didn't notice if it was a current photo though but if it was, it seems like Kate is doing a bit of trolling here, taking elements of what MM wears and wearing them better?

And the coat dress today is the same one she wore to the wedding and she's also worn it another time. So even though it is a McQueen, she's being economical. While MM splashes out in yet another new designer frock that manages to be not quite right. Interesting.

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Those shoes are almost white.

White shoes with black dress?

r210, And Kate sees Wm in her peripheral vision, which maybe is why she isn't smiling at the minister. Intrigue!

Princess Margaret in a Dior cocktail dress appropriate for an evening social. She was stunning and her beauty simply enhanced the elegance of her dress. Note attention to properly fitted and stylish shoes.

Kate's outfit compared to....

...Meghan's ensemble.

Is Nutmeg channeling Audrey Hepburn? Nowhere close.

I've never liked the "off-the-shoulder look". Meghan sure does.

Unsmiling Harry.

Prince William and Kate in 2011 - Happy newlyweds. Not sullen, not hanging onto William, confident, relaxed.

William and Kate just 2 months after getting married - having fun, chatting at Wimbledon.

R217 - "Channeling"? Screaming, more like. She might as well have a large scarlet A embroidered on the bodice.

R217 & R222 - yep, she thinks she's Audrey.

That's better.

R223 - unfortunate photo pairing as it shows AH's tiny waist and MM's huge one.

Everything is ok. For now.

Lots of people, male and female, marry for status and money. I don't get the hatred towards this woman. Could it be that petty Donald Trump, via Daily Mail and deplorables, is going after them for saying they didn't want him at the wedding?

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Everything's ok for now.

Hopefully, Nutmeg and her Ginger Prince will still be looking at each other like this after many years of marriage.

Wow, she's really short even with heels.

Charles has to have Mummy Cammie put on his gloves. His short sausage hands are too swollen from all of that hand shaking.

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I'm sure you meant 'shaking martinis', right, r232?

Kate is beaming (two days in a row). Whatever she has should be bottled.

Kate just so damn ☺. It must be driven the sugars mad.

She;s got the giggles, she's so happy, r235.

Harry looks downright unhappy in those pics. Usually, he's the joker. uh oh

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R227 - Yes, lots of people do marry for status and money; it's the coverup, as the old saying has it, that gets people angry.

As for the DM, keep up, mate: she and Harry threatened the British press with hugely expensive lawsuits in fall 2016, a year before they were even engaged, with Sparkle making false claims about racist abuse and home intrusions. She altogether overplayed her hand, and the British tabloids have neither forgiven nor forgotten. She and Harry told quite a few lies in their public story about their relationship, mostly to hide the fact that she ditched the man she was involved with (the star chef in Toronto) the moment she saw she had a shot at Harry - whom she never would have looked at if he didn't have that HRH in front of his name.

She's a pretentious climber and it shows. Expecting others to pretend they don't see it is idiotic.

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I've loved the last 2 outfits, except for the colors. She's 90% there.

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Happier Harry. Before MeAgain.

I have my doubts about the private bliss of this, or for that matter, any other public union, but selecting photos of an unsmiling Harry and asserting it reveals something about he feels about his marriage is spurious. With so many photos taken in seconds of these people, you can always find something to support a theory, any theory - from wedded bliss to wedded regret.

I don't say it's never true, but it's early days yet. I think we're some off from the kinds of photos that made it very clear what was occurring between Charles and Diana, when no amount of press denial could hide the truth.

Happier times.

R247, there are plenty of pictures of the couple from that event laughing or smiling. The DL bitches are just cherry-picking.

R227 - no sitting American president ever attends these royal weddings, so Trump was never going to attend no matter what they thought of him. They send the wives, ambassadors, etc., to these things. Nancy Reagan attended the Charles/Diana wedding for America, and the Obamas were not invited to the William/Kate wedding - instead, the American ambassador, Louis Susman, attended. And as for the Sussex wedding: NO foreign heads of state or government were invited, that was announced formally. This was a private, low-key, second-tier royal wedding of the sixth in line, not the Heir, to a divorced foreigner. Trump was never an issue except in the media and the gossip blogs.

Nervous Harry wringing his hands. Shouldn't he be used to this sort of thing by now?

The Queen looking amused and Meghan looking bemused.

Charles looks like the Queen's husband not her son. Frowning Andrew behind him isn't much better. And then of course there's Camilla. What can one say?

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A group shot on the Palace balcony.

Look up. It's a bird, it's a plane. It's the RAF.

Nutmeg is still hanging on for dear life.

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This material looks as heavy as her wedding dress.

Now that I see it closer up, the darts are bad - again. The bodice just does not fit correctly - again.

DM Comment: 'Harry looks sad or pensive in most photos. He knows what the future holds: THE DIVORCE.'

Harry and Meghan have arrived in Dublin for a two-day visit.

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Please, she looks fine in that outfit. Girl can't catch a break with you bitches.

I think I’ll name my next cat Tendril.

Figures you'd have cats.

R265 - Not at all. A severe critic, I'll agree the dress is nice and she looks nice in it, if, again, she incomprehensibly looks as if dressed for October.

And begosh and begorra: it's green.

Ah, it's separates not a dress - and, again, it's Givenchy, which of course won't bother the Irish, but one would think she'd have chosen an Irish designer. The shoes are nice but, as always, one looks like it's about to fall off.

Having spent a good bit of my life in New York City, I have to say that this outfit, as well as many of her pre-wedding ones, reminds me strongly of Manhattan office dressing. She could be just emerging from the subway, preparatory to heading for Barney's.

It is put about that the Sussexes credentialed an unprecedented number of press for this jaunt.

I am far from a MM fan, but I thought it was Meghan for the win at the RAF thing. Kate's royal get-ups are so generic that she might as well be wearing the same outfit all the time. Meghan did look chic and elegant.

I am far from a MM fan, but I thought it was Meghan for the win at the RAF thing. Kate's royal get-ups are so generic that she might as well be wearing the same outfit all the time. Meghan did look chic and elegant.

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R270 - depends on what you mean by "win". Kate wins the Serious Royal above shallow concerns like "chic". It's the arriviste who has to impress.

No matter how you slice it, the long game goes to Kate, William, and their progeny. Kate doesn't need chic: she's the wife and mother of future kings.

It's Meghan who has to impress.

The DM commenters are calling her Meagain, Smegan or Smegs. I wonder if they’re DLrs?

No one much comments on Camilla's clothes. I get that she's an old whore with sagging tits and the same hairstyle for 40+ years, but are her rags expensive? I know her bras are ill- fitting.

Funny you call her a whore r275, she certainly fucked only a fraction of the men Di did (AFAIK only her husband and Charles), and Di didn’t seem to be too worried about being the third person in the marriage of all the many, many married men she fucked.

Please, Camilla was passed around like a party bottom. Yeah, she only fucked 2 guys- maybe on a bad day. Even her friends said she looked like she didn't change her knickers. Between the panties and her lack of basic grooming, that pussy must have stunk.

R276 - you actually KNOW how many men Camilla slept with? Methinks you're a idiot. Diana was no saint but she went off the deep end with that fucked up tampon of a husband of hers.

Now, now.

I’m now menopausal so no longer use tampons.

R277 - I dunno - perhaps it suggests Charles is earthier than we would ever have guessed, and Diana was just too hygienically advanced for him.

It's all that time the royals spend with horses and dogs. Essentially, they're country people. That was another problem for Diana, she was so Uptown Girl (speaking of unseemly displays) and one wonders how Sparkle will do at Balmoral this summer for the same reason.

What did Diana say when she fled Balmoral that first August? "Boring. Raining." Back to the fleshpots of Sloane Square she ran - and not sure I can blame her.

Why yes, Camilla had one youthful indiscretion with Charles and then kept herself pure until APB.

She was a whore from a long line of whores. Her whatever great-grandmother Alice was servicing Edward VI. Alex didn't suck the royal cock- they needed the tarts for that.

The Duchess of Cornwall values comfort over appearances, r275. That is the only comment we shall be making on this subject. Thank you very much for your concern, r275.

Newly appointed Director, Communications

Too bad she wasn't titled Duchess of Cornhole. More apt.

R265 She's pretty much wearing a T-shirt stuffed into a skirt and probably paid a months London rent for it . I seriously wonder if she has any common sense .

It looks like she went shopping at jc penny for the short sleeve adult women t-shirt and decided to head over to Macy's for the skirt. What is it with the handbag. Bitch we know there is nothing in there. I can't decide if she is going to a office meeting or not. She is dressed for a office outing than anything else. Some women have the nerve to call her a style icon.

Boring black in Dublin.

Cheers!

Holding hands but she's looking at the camera.

She’s definitely pregnant

Her hair looks better and softens her look when it's parted on the side instead of the middle.

The problem is MeAGAIN is that she has zero curves, bird legs and is short and a hair management issue. Some women, you put that kind of clingy green "t-shirt and skirt" on and they would dazzle literally.

R271, well she has worn it at least twice before. Kinda sends that message that she's not a spendthrift, unlike her new sis-in-law.

No, MM wants to be the Couture Royal, just like Fergie before her. She used to wear French designers too. That didn't turn out very well.

Yes, but Fergie was fat and crude. MM is neither.

Must admit her hair has looked very good these past few outings. No dangling tendrils, no bald patches. Kudos to the Royal Hairdresser.

I thought the royals were not supposed to wear black but reserve it for mourning? Wasn't that one of Diana's early faux pas after the engagement, in that Emanuel dress with the plunging decollete?

R282 - Agree, it was highly doubtful that Queen Alexandra sucked dick. But Camilla's great-grandmother, Alice Keppel, was anything but whorelike: a society hostess famed for her charm, discretion, and beauty (good heavens, how is it that that wreck Camilla didn't inherit any of her great-grandmother's looks?!). Keppel was probably far too shrewd and discreet to cheat on the King once she became his enduring favourite. I believe it was Keppel, still alive when the Abdication Crisis hit, who sniffed, "Things were done better in my day!" Mrs Keppel was a King's mistress until he died; Camilla slept around, that's different.

King Edward, however, was so immense that a special, er, table, very much like a gynaecological one, was made for him to facilitate sex. The imagination balks.

She has a lovely smile, as someone posted earlier.

i saw a pic of her in army green. ugly as fuck!

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That bottle green horror is one of the ugliest get-ups I have ever seen. So was the army green one from yesterday. So much money spent for so little return.

R290 - if she is pregnant, she should be brought up on charges to the CPS, because she's drinking alcohol in her first trimester.

Her hair does look better here and it looks as if she's added some highlights recently. The look is softer with the side part. I don't care for the dress, which again makes her look boxy in the middle.

However: note that it is at last a British designer, Emilia Wickstead. Their feud must be over.

But the DM, true to form, managed to work in some shade: "Earlier in the day, she wore an achingly stylish black fit-and-flare Dior dress to a thanksgiving ceremony for the RAF at Westminster Abbey."

Note the "achingly stylish". And they got the colour wrong.

And they have noted the Birks earrings again.

Maybe I'm in denial and she is merching.

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Agree re: her hair. I hadn’t noticed her hair, which means that it’s right.

The side part looks much better.

I thought the dark green businesswoman costume was good. Though the fabric looked like polyester*. That was Givenchy?! But the cut and color was good on her, even if it was a weird choice for July. I’m guessing it was a nod to the Emerald Isle?

* Maybe it’s just me, but I keep saying “the fabric looks cheap” about all of her clothing. Maybe it’s my particular hangup and snobbery, but if a garment costs THAT much, it should look sumptuous and fine. Not like it came from H&M

The dark green outfit for the arrival in Ireland was fucking insulting.

Way, way too casual. A fucking T shirt tucked into a skirt? Like she couldn't be bothered to dress respectfully.

Really, really insulting. She didn't think Ireland was important enough to dress appropriately.

Bitch.

R251 I might be all wrong but I thought members of RF don’t hold hands in public.

Photo of Melania Trump and Queen Letizia of Spain during State visit. Queen Letizia is also petite but managed to turn out looking very elegant. respecfully attired for her photos ops. Meghan looked like she was starting her holiday and was doing a quick stopover in Dublin en route to her destination.

Princess Charlene is one who lways looks superbly turned out. I like very very soft, quasi-suit with a lovely silky flourish. Stunning. Even the collar - can't say enough about it. Meghan doesn't need the budget of a Monaco princess to dress appropriately for official visits. She just needs to start putting more of an effort into listening to stylists.

I liked her dresses today. I don't think wearing navy in the summer or even olive green is a faux pas. And I saw this as someone who doesn't like her.

She is not with a baby.

What r205, r244 and r265 said.

Her last 4 choices from the christening on have been better, more better, al...most there and JUST RIGHT.

Here's what the dark navy at the RAF event needed- white or cream narrow piping around the neckline and the end of the sleeves. That would have been just the touch that would have earned a raised judge card with a 10 on it.

I've never argued that the DoS should go full severe; ALMOST severe is her ticket. That way she can pipe and accessorize with abandon.

Both Ireland choices are excellent. Give her credit for this- she's staying away from froo-froos, flounces, ruffles, prints, what have you.

Della! I just visualized the navy Dior dress with piping and you are so right! It would have made the whole look seem fresh and crisp.

What did you think about the pockets on the green skirt she wore when they landed in Ireland today? To me, it looked like really odd placement.

You're sweet, r313.

You perceived the pockets. or more specifically the tabs at the top of the pockets, on the arrival- in- Ireland skirt as odd because they are.

The placement of the tabs at the top of the pockets are, as with all pockets, horizontal. They're, therefore, interrupting her vertical line; a no-no for someone like the DoS who lacks height and, this is more crucial- a waistline.

If she is going to choose an accent, other than a belt, to her garments, she should try to make them vertical. She needs all the elongation her garments can muster.

I have to give her credit for "most improved". She seems to have the hair situation figured out. The dresses aren't swamping her now, either.

Im only here for the clothes, but I dont know if it is black culture but they tend to gravitate to bright or jewel box or at least solid colors, think michelle obama. Meghan wants to wear the frumpy royal uniform but add her own LA- trendy minimalist spin on it and cant make up her mind on how to do it, but at some point she will learn and she doesnt really look too bad.

Meghan really is clinging to Harry in almost every picture. It is also very bizarre that she is a self-proclaimed activist for Afrikuuuuh and feminine causes yet here she is, wearing designer clothes that she never wore before Harry came into the picture when she was living her “activist” blogger life.

R136 - it's called "co-opting".

Does she go out of her way to NOT wear British designers? She's supposed to represent the UK not France.

Maybe it’s a shout out to her yachting days?

But H&M are a lot more fun than the rest of the dreadful Royals just because they don't know how to dress or act as royalty and have no clue about anything. They're an embarrassment to the Windsors and therefore a delight to us.

She seems to be wearing a wig in R300 and R303 where her hair is down, but the daytime photos, where she is wearing a bun, appear to be sans wig. If she really had all that hair shown in R300 and R303, her hair would look much thicker in the bun photos, and the bun itself would be much bigger. Plus, the supplemental hair she has added underneath looks darker.

I like this evening outfit and liked the dark green Ireland arrival outfit.

She's not wearing a wig. Extensions or a weave. Turn in your gay card.

She has semi permanent extensions

Makes sense, R323. The only thing that can really explain hair that morphs quickly into something like this -- like something you'd see on a teenager or country western star.

Also, her part is rather wide for someone displaying such bountiful hair.

Her outfit at the RAF ceremony was completely out of place, but she did redeem herself in the black Emilia Wickstead midi dress at the garden party in Dublin. Her hair looked great and she finally ditched the awful bronzer for minimal makeup and she and Harry finally looked happy again. However, she wore three high end designer custom dresses in one day while Kate recycled a classic coat dress for the third time.

Yes, well Kate has a wardrobe to recycle after several years. MM is the newbie.

Do we think Kate and Meagan will engage in conversation at any point? Have they even made eye contact?

I think Meghan is more the type to suck up to William, Charles, or the Queen not Kate.

I would bet anything that Kate detests Meghan for the scandal she's brought to the BRF, but also loves it that she herself has come out smelling like a rose in contrast.

I am not a Meagain fan... I think she's gamed all this and now looks visibly if not massively lost and uncertain - the clinging to Harry is public is somewhere between cloying and adolescent - but I thought everything she wore yesterday looked good and suitable.

You know Princess Anne just wants to walk up and separate them. Right! Hands at sides! Shoulders back! And you, button your bloody suit jacket!

I'm rich and famous and royalty now. Sod off, the lot of you.

Must you remind us of that fact?

At least now I have someone to give hand-me-downs to.

So who do I have to curtsy to.

R328, I agree. And that’s a short-sighted error.

More ugly, badly-fitting outfits in Ireland - the mud-coloured long-sleeved woollen Mouret dress, so tight it shows her bra, but yet all bunched up on the midriff in every photo, with the heavy hanging flounce in front. The black trouser suit looks fine, apart from the stiletto shoes, but her hair looks like she got caught in the rain.

Meghan us starring in her own play of which she us the lead actress, director and writer. Right now I am not sure that she cares what anyone thinks including the DM. She is living as fantasy in her own world. I do believe that Harry was initially supportive of her in that by marrying her he was being quite "rebellious". However, it is quite clear that he does not have the fortitude to withstand the pressure that comes from doing what is not expected.

I must admit that Sparkle did rather better this trip, with a few quibbles: the gray dress with the big skirt and uneven hem, but tight bodice that nevertheless crinkled, didn't do her any favours, and the black cocktail dress by Wickstead, whilst lovely, again emphasised her boxy middle - and everything was labeled October rather than July. That said, she looked good, the clothes were appropriate, and she clearly is going to toss out the window the "black is reserved for mourning rule".

The DM, true to form, managed to compliment her whilst throwing shade - "Duchess and her Dublin Designer Wardrobe! Meghan dazzles in 17,000 worth of high-end labels in just three hours on Day 2 on her trip to Dublin with Harry!!" with photos with price tags attached to every item she's worn on the Dublin trip.

R337 - more to the point, as happened with Charles and Diana (but interestingly, not with Kate and William), Sparkle is sucking all the air out of the room, all the attention is on her, and no one gives a tinker's curse what Harry has to say or whether he's even there or not. So the question is, will this begin to bother him the way it quickly began to bother Charles? Harry is, after all, a man (and "a man's a man for aye that", as the poet said), the "real" royal, and she only has the spotlight because he gave it to her.

Or is Harry to dim to care?

It didn't happen with Kate and William because she had been around for 10 years. Charles and Diana had only met 9 times before they became engaged. The spotlight on MM is largely due to all the negative publicity she has generated over the last months and because of all the gaffes she has made.

I think boat necks with a thin belt at the waist are a good look for her. Emphasize width at the shoulders, belt pulls the eye in at the waist so it gives her the illusion of a shape. Being relatively flat chested is an advantage with a boat neck because it's so high. BUT she's repeating it too often. There are other fashion tricks she can employ. She also needs to stay away from muddy colors like olive, taupe and the dull green.

The black evening gown, don't mind the black because I think there are a couple of royal rules she could break (like crossing the legs at the knee, but not the clingy stuff which just looks needy) but the wide, rectangular strap just sent her back to boxyville.

The gray dress was awful. Somehow, it was simultaneously too tight and ill-fitting. We shouldn’t see undergarments or lack thereof.

Is it cold in Ireland? Because that is a lot of fall/winter clothing.

The pantsuit was decent. Jacket looked like it came from the juniors department, circa 1986, though.

R339, it’s a rare man who can tolerate being overshadowed by his wife. Harry is spoiled, and accustomed to being the darling. Maybe he has the maturity and self-assuredness to take the back seat, but I don’t see it.

Why is she carrying handbags. We know there is nothing in there. Her outfits are boring and office attires. She has no true sense of style which makes her more of a trend follower. Kate on the other hand, wears timeless classics not overtly trendy outfits. So her sugars are gonna run out to get those handbags which are boring and common.

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She doesn't need a $3000 Fendi handbag when we know there's nothing in there she's actually toting.

Actually, the bag is $5400 according to the DM.

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r281: "perhaps it suggests Charles is earthier than we would ever have guessed...."

Yes, those of you who didn't know he is a Scorpio.

Do you think some of the thing she wears are gifts from the brands like Dior? For them, Meghan wearing them is a lot of free publicity. Or maybe loans? Or they have to buy everything that they wear?

Her boring gray dress looks like a mess. Even the dogs are bored.

From this angle, her dress looks like it's come undone (eg. wardrobe malfunction).

We've seen this dress before in a better and brighter color. The gray is drab.

I think a man who wants to live inside his mistress's vagina as a tampon could certainly be called 'earthy'.

Both of them look like they can't be bothered. Way too casual for a foreign trip.

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This kid almost ripped her extensions out. LOL.

The gray dress is illfitting in the bust area. It is too tight like her tiny boobs wants to bust out. Maybe the dress is a size 4p instead of regular 4.

The more I see the gray dress the worse it looks, and the darts, again, head straight for her nipples. I like the other outfits, but this one returns Sparkle to her Sartorial Scene of the Crime.

It's the bra.

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If she loves dogs so much, why does she look so uncomfortable around them? And what's with that bag? Was it filled with old Suits scripts? Is she Harry's new assistant?

The dress and bra are so tight her armpit and upper chest skin is actually spilling out.

The big bags must contain yoga mats. His and Hers.

I think you have to remember, this is not a movie or tv show you're watching. These are two people who have been praised and envied their whole adult lives, and now they are being torn apart in real time by a global pack of hyenas out for blood.

I'm very interested to see how the public react to Meghan spending loads of UK taxpayer money on foreign fashion houses like Fendi, Givenchy, Ralph Lauren, etc.

Even the bees are having fun with them, r366.

R367 I was wondering if those clothes are gifts? For the brands it’s a lot of publicity that Meghan wears them. I have no idea how that works with Royals. Or they have to buy the clothes all the time.?

Queen Letizia looks fashionable most of the time. Same petite figure as MM.

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And much of the time, Letizia gets her clothes at Spanish high street lines, eg Mango and Zara. Her secret is that she knows how to dress for her proportions, a lot of knee length pencil skirts, slim trousers, knee length shift dresses. Always very un-fussy, and hardly any jewellery.

R366 - Are you a resident of Mars?! "their whole lives"????!!! No one fucking knew who Sparkle was until Harry picked her up, and far from being torn apart by hyenas, Harry has been adored, coddled, and indulged by the public his whole life - including forgiving him for wearing a Nazi armband to a costume party well into his twenties, and being photographed in Vegas starkers after a game of strip poker more suited to a 14 year old prep school boy than a representative of one of Europe's premier royal houses.

As for Sparkle - she's having the time of her life spending British taxpayer money on handbags that cost $5,000.

She married him for wealth, status, and seeing her face on magazine covers every day in couture clothes. But you know, to every silver lining there is a bit of a dark cloud.

Harry knew the rules of the game but just didn't give a s***.

And, oh dearie me, Sparkle has already a couple of faux pas by shooting her mouth off:

This from the DM:

"Meghan, 36, who has always been proud of her feminist principles and made a point of stating them on the Buckingham Palace website after her marriage to Prince Harry, was talking to a female senator in Dublin last night who later tweeted that she had apparently agreed with Ireland’s recent referendum result in favour of legalising abortion.

The politician, Catherine Noone, subsequently deleted the message and claimed it had been a ‘benign chat’ during which she expressed ‘no political opinion’."

Raise your hand if you believe Noone really deleted the post because it was "misleading".

Sparkle also exclaimed that "Dublin is my favourite city!" which I am sure 1) no one believes so makes her sound like a pandering idiot, and 2) should go over nicely in Nottigham, Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool, and, of course, London - where she lives at taxpayer expense.

Sparkle is the poster illustration of someone who is clever but not perceptive.

Are all the bets on Croatia today or any of us plumping out a few shillings for England?

I did not say that MM had a global following. But as a very attractive woman who had been spoiled by her family and had plenty of friends and boyfriends, I would say she was not used to judgement or condemnation. Same with Harry. And now she has been almost universally condemned as a con artist and Harry is seen as a colossal fool who has brought the BRF scandal and ridicule. The loss of confidence is plain to see in their behaviour.

With all that money spent on basic looking outfits. I can get better made and well fitted outfits for that amount of money. The British public should demand a refund just for the fact that the outfits look so boring. Almost every outfit and even the handbags look underwhelming.

The only thing that really bothers her detractors is her ethnicity...

380 you stated she is very attractive. I guess you have not seen a lot of females like her on the street. She is pretty but not very attractive.

R380 - good lord, she's a third-rate actress who has been auditioning for parts for the last 20 years! Not used to judgement or condemnation? There is no tougher arena than the arts for thickening the skin, I assure you.

And she doesn't give fuck all about the criticism. This isn't some delicate flower: this is a hard-boiled performer who just got the role she's always wanted.

R382 - sure sure sure. She's absolutely a perfect human being and no one could possibly have any legitimate criticism of her unless they are racists.

By the way, the British press skewered Kate Middleton, too, for years. That must have been about her ethnicity, too. Right?

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Keep her out of tunnels Harry.

At the risk of sounding dense, I don't understand the DM comment about tunnels

R387 - poster was referring to Harry's mother's death in the Alma tunnel in Paris. There have always been rumours that the BRF was fed up with her and they with the help of MI6 somehow colluded in the circumstances of the accident, which I personally think is bollocks.

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i definitely think she was bumped off.

It's kind of sad that at her age Meghan seems to have no idea how to dress herself in a way that looks flattering, stylish and occasion-appropriate. Even with access to only lower-tier stylists and fashion houses when she was on Suits, she was able to put together some simple but cute looks. But with those connections gone, she's just kind of a mess. For fucks sake, she can't even manage to find a proper bra? I can't tell if she's just trying too hard to make clothes and a look work for her that just doesn't fit or suit her style, or if she just has really bad taste and is using her new flush resources to get herself the clothes she really wants (how they actually look on her body be damned).

The only looks of hers from the last few days that really worked were the simple black square necked dress and the simple black pants and jacket with white shirt. Both are the short bus version of high fashion though, flattering on pretty much everyone.

R330 - and your factual basis for this theory?

The driver was drunk, she wasn't wearing her seat belt. Did MI6 tinker with the seat belt?

Letizia dressing appropriately is fairly recent. For many years, she went out of her way to dress inappropriately, such as wearing torn jeans and, most embarrassingly, butt padding that rode up her skirt. These pictures have been scrubbed from the web,

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R394 - similar height and hair, but Frankel carries it off with more aplomb. For one thing, Frankel has much better legs and a waist. The big watch really nails the look, along with the yellow heels. However, hose would have given the look more polish. That said, the looks sported by the women next to and behind her make Frankel look like a fucking goddess.

[quote]Why is she carrying handbags.

In case she needs exact change, and she knows Harry won't have it.

The Queen always carries a handbag. At least there are probably a few things in Megs- cellphone, emergency tampons, lipstick.

Oh do fuck off r382.

Her dress doesn’t fit - “RACIST!!!1!l”

Her shoes are too big - “RACIST!!!”

Her legs are very thin - “RACIST!!”

It’s tedious you moron. Do you really think she’s so fucking perfect it’s impossible to laugh at her pretensions or deride her ridiculous choices?

She needs to dress for her body type and stop trying dress to impress. The olive green color did absolutely nothing for her.

R399 - Olive green does nothing for anybody of any shade or ethnicity anywhere on the planet. The only entity it works for is the military. It was a simply incomprehensible colour choice.

Don't forget MM needs to carry her personal Bronzer Wardrobe kit, r397.

For shits 'n giggles, again.

She is carrying a medium size handbag that one can fill it with a mini tablet. The queen carries a small handbag. She is carrying a huge one considering the event. She is not going into an office.

MM also had her olive green umbrella in the car in the event of a downpour.

Is Charles punishing Kate? Because I cannot for the life of me comprehend why he is indulging such extravagance upon Meghan.

Charles indulges spoiled rotten Harry and this is the end product - a man-boy with an over-inflated ego, huge sense of entitlement and lack of common sense in areas that matter, r405.

Petulant.

405 yeah he is punishing Kate even though he looks better. With all that iduldging Meghan can't seem to get it right. She still looks cheap wearing ill fitting clothes. He might as well spend money on Kate. I can't believe the price tag of those underwhelming outfits.

she has the body of a post-menopausal woman. Not the chubby, matronly version. The Jackie O type. Everything skinny except the torso.

R405 - Of course Charles isn't punishing Kate. She has a completely different look, she wants for nothing, and she's been building her wardrobe since 2011. If anything, Kate is the one keeping the side up by wearing clothes that at least don't scream, "Fuck you!" to the country whose monarchy allowed her to leap into the lap of luxury and a life of privilege beyond the reach of imagination of most of us, and that acknowledge the importance of supporting British fashion.

Sparkle really is behaving like the cat that got at the cream, it's not a good look, and sooner or later it will come back and bite her on the arse.

Except for the color (and the ridiculous gloves), I like what she wore to the christening. That gray schmatta she wore in Ireland, though, what the hell? It looked like it was cut (badly) from a blanket and the fit was terrible. And, I find out here that she has another one in blue! I throw my hands up!

Calling Suits' costume designer! Emergency! Come Right Away!

Isn't that the same bag, R412, that she wore getting off the plane in Ireland?

DoS has her Christmas Day with the Royals outfit already picked out.

I don't think so, r413. Ireland bag is lighter color, bigger, thinner and sleeker in shape. More of a boxy shape.

Christ, she looks soooo much better in those Suits photos! She can't be that much younger there, and you can't tell me that some of those outfits can't be worn to daytime events as a royal with just a little adaptation to make them more formal - a blazer, a bit more decorative collar on the silk blouses, a fitted jacket, a string of pearls . . .

And where the fuck have all the pearl necklaces gone? Kate doesn't wear them, either. Only Anne, who finally looks the age she looked like when she was born, is still wearing them.

I found her Dior crinolined cocktail-inspired, chiffon-looking, funereal dark number worn at the RAF service the most ostentatious and inappropriate frocks worn to date - excepting the infamous Givenchy blue and white knotted blanket affair, of course. She looked like she was ready for an early evening of champagne cocktails at Claridge's then onto a private dinner at Mosimann's.

By contrast, Kate's pastel, comparatively less daring dress from a decidedly feminine, yet more modest vantage made for a more regal image in the contet of the focus on honouring the 100th anniversary of the Royal Air Force. Taking style cues from her grandmother-in-law, Kate accessorized her bespoke pale blue Alexander McQueen coat dress with a Sean Barrett hat, nude pumps, a cream-colored clutch, and a large brooch. Known as the Royal Air Force Dacre brooch, the diamond and ruby piece pinned to her chest was reportedly a gift to Kate when she became an Honorary Air Commandant in 2015.

Meghan's aesthetic seemed to convey little more than 'The Rich Look Lives On In London.'

Are coat dresses off-limits for Ms Markle, as they are Kate territory?

Those Suits outfits at R412 aren't all that flattering either--they draw attention to her boxy middle. But they actually fit properly, which makes them 10x better that how she dresses now.

She's never been fashion forward, but she used to wear clothes that were nice and sometimes chic. And fit.

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she has no tits. flat like pancakes. no curves. very little will look good.

She looked healthier and must I state happier when she was just an actress. I believe everything is not as it seems even with the bullshit fairy tale smiley pictures. Her extreme weight loss does not correlate this happy marriage image. It feels like she is constantly acting like everything is great. The extensive smiling and reaching for his hand. He seems to have more freedom in acting out his mood and she cannot.

Depp just turned 55. Don't think he'll be around to blow candles out for his Big Six-O.

Wrong thread, sorry.

Harry seem like the type to talk about how hot other women are in front of her and she will just passively smile and pretend like she did not hear him. I guess fame, money and prestige is more important to her.

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William and Kate at a garden party in Northern Ireland. Bright, tailored and elegantly attired.

[quote]Isn't that the same bag, [R412], that she wore getting off the plane in Ireland?

No. The bag in the Suits promo pics was YSL. The bag she wore to Ireland was a Scottish brand, Strathberry. The bag is so new she didn't even take the plastic off.

She already has the same bag in another color that she wore to one of her first engagements back in November. And never seen again.

The DM is really going in about her spending 17,000 pounds in a little over 3 hours. She's throwing away gobs of money like a kid in a candy store. $5000 on a giant empty Fendi tote? All of the brands she's worn are all ultra-luxury and all NOT British.

The frautards at Celebitchy insist she's 'building a wardrobe' and this will all be reworn and repeated. But she's been royal or royal adjacent for almost 9 months now. Has she ever repeated anything in all that time?

Meghan's handbag choices are a mess. She needs to learn from the Queen, and invest in a few Launer handbags. People joke about what the Queen carries in her purse, but I've read it's her eyeglasses, a handkerchief, some throat lozenges, and sometimes a small camera. On Sundays, a crisp pound note to leave on the collection plate. The Queen also uses her handbags to signal to her ladies in waiting when she wants one of them to intervene and end awkward or uncomfortable meetings.

Someday, I will own a Launer wallet. I've already purchased an umbrella from the Queen's umbrella supplier (it was shipped from England).

She's looking better in her dotage, but The Queen is hardly known for fashion. Plus, who carries a purse in their own home- no matter the size? There are staff to bring her anything she wants.

R432, but her home is also used for meetings with public figures. The Queen's clothes for those meetings normally won't have pockets. Buckingham Palace doesn't have boxes of Kleenex scattered about should the Queen have a sniffle. She's nothing if not practical.

And lipstick, r431.

Meghan is seeking an identity, a persona. She dresses as a sophisticate-wannabe, but she clings and assumes demure, wide-eyed expressions to downplay her 36 years. Kate knows (now) who she, Kate, is, and dresses in accordance with both her identity and her role: mature; maternal; royal.

Meghan dresses like she's a fashionista on parade on Instagram, not a royal.

R382, Come off it. I'm not a MM fan, but I'd rather have her skin tone than pasty white Harry's!

For me the only one who had an innate fashion sense and style was Diana. It was unique even quirky sometimes ( the two tones gloves, dressing in a tuxedo,etc). Kate is an extreme bore and Meghan is trying hard to be like Carolyn Bessette.

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R439 Harry would be considered over dressed in Silicon Valley.

For the top of the dress to be so tight as to show her strapless bra is trashy and unattractive. For the rest of it to be ill fitting in another way is baffling. The green outfit with the oddly placed pockets was bad too. I just do not get how she used to look ok but now everything is a disaster. Is she refusing to wear appropriate, well fitted clothes? Does she lack a mirror? Whoever used to style her needs to take over and the friend should be sacked.

I remember The Queen visiting either Ireland or Scotland fairly recently and the papers were complaining she was under-dressed for the occasion. She was practically wearing a housecoat.

Wonder what Princess Diana would have made of MM's trashy get-up at a Spencer cousin wedding.

Diana in Northern Ireland. No ill-fitted dresses with danglinig hems for her and heels so high you need someone to continuously lean on to walk.

She needs to stop with the boatnecks. It ACCENTUATES shoulders— hers are already huge.

She needs to use a slight V-neck. Create a vertical line and break up the boxy torso.

This really isn’t difficult.

Meant to add— bateau neckline also flattens the bust. Not a good idea here.

I think of the clothes worn by the Royal Family for official events as their costumes for that role.

For men, it's usually a suit or a uniform. Uniform tied to the service being honored at the event.

For the women, there are a certain set of "rules" to be followed. Professional clothes, so to speak. Clothes that are selected to project the wearer in a certain way.

The Queen, for example, wears bright colors, with matching or coordinated hats, so that people who come to these events can SEE her, even if it's only a glimpse of her hat or coat, etc. Even specific handbags and clear umbrellas with a band of color to match her outfit.

These are her "work" clothes. Only when she is "in public" does she wear these clothes.

The other women in the RF have similar "working" wardrobes, including certain accessories like tights, hats, certain types of bags, and a more formal way of dressing. These clothes are not to scream "look at me", but to indicate respect for the country being visited or the people being greeted. A kind of uniform. These clothes send a message to people who they meet. They are an indication of respect by the RF for those they meet.

There is a story that when the King and Queen visited Londoners who had been bombed out during the Blitz in WWII, one courtier suggested to the Queen that appearing so well dressed may not be "the thing". The Queen told him firmly that she knew that people would appreciate her dressing her best because they dressed their best when they knew they would see her.

These women (and men) do not dress this way in their private life. These are their "working clothes".

The thing that grates about Sparkle has been that she pretty consistently wears the wrong costume. Like she is dressing for the wrong role or doesn't understand the role that she is playing.

I think that's why her apparel faux pas are so annoying.

Wardrobe!!!!

It was The Queen Mother, for those that may not know their history or ages.

It's hard to understand why she is consistently wrong. I think if you went into Harrod's or Harvey Nichols and told them what the event was, they'd fix you up, top to toe, with no problem. You could be in and out of there in an hour and if something needed altering, you'd have it the next day.

For everyone saying Kate had time to build up a wardrobe, she didn't break the bank upon marrying William. She stayed with high street designers and didn't use top tier brands for every engagement after becoming the Duchess of Cambridge and when she did stuck to British brands like Alexander McQueen. In the six weeks Meg has been married to Harry, she's worn nothing but A-list designers like Dior, Givenchy, Roland Mouret, Ralph Lauren and others. This girl went from promoting more obscure and less expensive Canadian labels during her engagement but the second she became the DoS, she's raiding the fashion piggy bank with brands she never would have had access to as Meghan Markle, "Suits" actress. Now she's dressing like top movie stars on promotional tours who get those outfits as loaners, while as a royal that is not allowed. The British citizens are paying for her extravagance and expensive tastes. A $5,400 Fendi bag for a morning outing in Dublin? This woman is living large on taxpayers' dime.

Can't wait til she trots out an alligator Birkin!

Nailed it R447

Quote[Like she is dressing for the wrong role or doesn't understand the role that she is playing.]

[quote]Now she's dressing like top movie stars on promotional tours who get those outfits as loaners, while as a royal that is not allowed. The British citizens are paying for her extravagance and expensive tastes. A $5,400 Fendi bag for a morning outing in Dublin? This woman is living large on taxpayers' dime.

This is it in a nutshell. I read that when she was a D-list nobody a lot of designers weren't interested in dressing her. It looks like she's taking her revenge now.

R431, there is no such thing as a pound note, crisp or otherwise. Maybe it's a fiver!

R437 - oh, is it skin tone we're doing up and down votes for now?

And I wouldn't be fooled by her skin tone - that gurl wants to be white so badly she can taste it.

And speaking of pasty, I read a biography of Dame Margot Fonteyn some years ago. When she received her DBE, Fonteyn relates how, when she actually approached the Queen, she was literally "struck dumb by the beauty and delicacy of the Queen's complexion". Diana's beautiful skin was one of her most noted attributes.

If you think Sparkle wouldn't trade her (now quite obviously wrinkling, if you look at the closeups from Dublin) for one of those fabled English Rose "pasty" skins in a heartbeat - think again.

R454 you still see pound notes in Scotland. Issued by the Bank Of Scotland, I think they stopped producing them a while ago but they are still legal tender and still in circulation. Maybe that’s what she hands over at Crathie Kirk?

Harry promoting his trip to Australia on video on cusp of100 days to go before he and Meghan fly to Sydney for Invictus Games. Raise your hands those who bet MeAgain will need the full cargo hold of UK Air Force to hold her designer threads for their down under tour.

I'm betting on something like this, r451: Chanel Mini Bag Pink Swarovski Crystals for the unbeatable price of $ 11,000.00.

I don’t understand the black, cropped jacket suit.... and I won’t respond to it.

R443, that dress is a horror show. women with no tits should not wear those type of wrap dress, it's impossible to look good in them unless you have a shapely (big tits) figure, which she doesn't.

So, any white woman who puts on a dress is better than Meghan Markle? The criticism against MM is so transparent. She bagged a Prince of England. Accept it and let it go.

MM has a high and boxy waistline. Being as slim as possible helps this body type look better in clothes. Her clothing choices in Ireland have been very good. She has done very well.

MM and Harry looked very happy in Ireland. They are more relaxed when they are on their own.

Fuck off with your racism schtick r461. She dresses badly because she’s a clueless parvenu social climbing desperado and that would be the case whether she was slightly tanned or lily white. You’re truly pathetic.

R462 You, and your bitter bitch brigade spend day after day picking apart a young woman who is living her best life and I am pathetic?

She climbed the social ladder and won, so what? Do you really believe that the Royal Family are better human beings than her because she wasn't born into wealth or high society?

She worked hard in school and secured a first rate college education. She worked hard in Hollywood to have what she has. She isn't a trust fund kid, she had to rely on herself and her talents.

I will call out a bunch of racist birds whenever I feel like it.

R461 - I don't know what planet you've been living on, but clearly you've missed the jeers the York girls, the Queen, Princess Anne, AND Kate have taken over the years on on their clothes. The York girls in particular - it will take Sparkle five years to accrue the kind of shit that has been poured onto the York girls' head for their ghastly dress sense. Oh, did I forget to mention the charter member of the White Royals Who Dress Like Looney Bin Residents Club: Sarah Ferguson.

When she appeared at Ascot shortly before her wedding to Prince Andrew, in a dress that I can still vividly recall looking like someone took a piano keyboard and wrapped it around her hips, one of the headlines the next day in giant block letters read: FROCK HORROR!

Then there was the reception for Diana showing up at a polo match in a long pleated skirt, low pumps, and spotted ankle socks on her enormous feet.

You race hysterics need to get a grip, you really do - join the rest of us on a Planet Earth and get yourself some sophistication and humour.

The York girls crazy hats will forever be remembered- people are still making fun of them. DofS will have to go along way to reach that level of hideousness.

Is this the dress, r464?

R466 - OMG yes. Why did you have to post that?! It will take me a week to forget it.

It is, beyond any doubt, still the First Place Winner in the Horrible Royal Dresses Sweepstakes. I cannot believe she left the house in it - all the York women have body dysmorphia - I think it's chromosomal, there is no other explanation.

R361 - oh, I forgot Princess Beatrice's hat that was the scandal at William and Kate's wedding. Do you have any recollection of the merciless mockery that followed?

Please, you hysterical Markle fraus get yourselves over to CB where you can worship with the other fraus.

If Sparkle were white you'd be skewering her.

Replacing one frock horror with another is the only cure, r467.

Is the “You’re Just Jealous” troll the same person as the “You’re Just Racist” troll?

R464's socks:

These photos are actually worse in B & W.

Clearly a lot of Meghan fans are completely new to royal coverage.

No one but no one has been mocked as mercilessly as Beatrice and Eugene (not that they sometimes didn't deserve it).

R464, I remember wearing shit like that.

Hey, what can I say? it was the 80s. And I wasn’t a member of the Royal Family. Just a dumb teenage girl.

Classic spoof.

Spitting Image made great fun of Fergie and Randy Andy.

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MeAgain is on the phone with Dior right now planning her gown design for the Australian gala dinner in October.

Melania may be a whore but at least she knows her body and knows what she looks good in.

MM is clueless and clearly has too many yes people in her circle. She doesn't know what she looks good in and when she ask her "friends", they all tell her " you look fabulous!"

Serious question - Why is MM wearing Dior, Givenchy which look dreadful on her and not wearing Alexander McQueen, and the many other great UK designers. Stella McCartney did a nice gown for her but that was it.

When you have no tits, do NOT wear a dress like this.

Horrid dress.

Nutmeg and her Ginger Prince share some physical features: close set eyes and freckles.

Bitch stole my look!

We know Harry isn't a breast man.

R485 - if I remember correctly, Chelsy had quite a pair. I can't believe I just typed that.

This was her best look in Ireland. The rest of her outfits were pretty bad.

Chelsy has a nice rack.

Either Meghan is a bad student or she has a poor teacher of royal protocol. Back to the class "How To Be Royal 101".

Rule# 1: NEVER EVER make a political statement one way or the other. NEVER EVER. Got that, Meg.

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DM Headline:

The Belle of the ball! Radiant Melania Trump is reminiscent of a Disney princess in a yellow off-the-shoulder gown as she and Donald attend a lavish gala dinner at Blenheim Palace

--- After all the ridicule fellow American MeAGAIN has received on her fashion style, Melanie is called 'BELLE OF THE BALL."

Who could ever forget that pink monstrosity, the "fallopian tube" hat, worn by whichever Yorkie at William and Kate's wedding? Hideous! Horrible! Hilarious!

r492 - See R 473 and R475.

The difference between making fun of the York women and MM is that the Yorks wear some truly bizarre things. MM wears green and gets torn to shreds. It's not the same thing at all. The criticism of MM is extremely nit picky.

People keep bringing up tax money paying for her clothing. Is that really how it works? Doesn't the royal family have it's own budget separate from the national budget? I thought the royal family had wealth accumulated over generations.

R493, I did see those posts. They are what inspired me to look for a clearer picture of the hat.

R473 - They think the sartorial critiques here have never before occurred with white royals.

Dear god, the little anklets on Diana! No one but a trained ballet dancer should ever have appeared in them, let alone a tall, rangy Englishwoman with banana boats for feet.

R494 - you're right - the royal family has vast accumulated wealth, but they don't use it for anything connected with what they are pleased to call "work". This was explained on another thread.

In the early 1920s, King George V arrived at a very advantageous "deal" with Inland Revenue, by which the family would make "voluntary" annural contributions to the Exchequer rather than paying set taxes on income the way any bloody Welsh miner had to. This allowed the family to keep, invest, and reinvest its increasing wealth, giving it a personal advantage that in retrospect is as obscene as the Heir to the Throne still inheriting the Duchy of Cornwall and its vast revenues - on which Charles also makes a "voluntary" contribution.

The BRF certainly uses its personal wealth for its personal comfort. But all costs associated with official duties (wardrobe, staff, travel, etc.) are paid out of the Sovereign Grant and other, traced back far enough, public monies.

When 21-room "apartment" that Kate and William live in inside Kensington Palace was refurbished with Sovereign Grant monies to the tune of four million+ quid - the argument was that KP is a "historic palace", it needed updating (asbestos in the roof and all that), and as it was "vested in the state", it really actually belongs to the public.

But no one cared about the asbestos in the roof when office workers used the space, and despite the public "owning" it, only royals get to live in it.

It's at tricky game the royals play and they always come out the winner. That deal with Inland Revenue only ended in 1996, when Windsor Castle burned and the Queens was shocked, SHOCKED to discover that the public didn't think it should pay for rebuilding what is one of her private homes. The sentiment was such that the Queen finally agreed to start paying taxes the way everyone else does.

So, no - all those outfits that appear at official events are paid for out of the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall. Ditto Kate's clothes, as well.

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R491 - Melania Trump is wearing a gown appropriate to the event, and one that suits the pomp and circumstance surrounding it, and her figure. That said, I loathe the colour - lemon yellow is nearly as difficult as olive green.

And come to it, the PM looks far worse than either woman: like Sparkle in that awful gray dress Mrs May clearly should have been taken off to Liberty's for a proper brassiere fitting. And no woman her age, with those upper arms, and her posture, should be seen in a sleeveless cherry red velvet hostess gown that looks to be straight from Marks & Spencer.

Why do so man women disregard the importance of proper foundation garments?!

R491 *many women

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Theresa May always paid attention to fashion. She's just overwhelmed and about to lose her political leadershp - possibly That kind of day in and day out stress ages a person very rapidly.

R501 - Yes, she is rather in the soup - but some of it is, after all, her own doing. Frankly, I'm amazed she's still in office after her 2016 electoral debacle. But there, not to start an OT political digression.

But look at that photo: look how superbly Melania's girls are being supported and then look at poor Theresa's dreadful bosom.

And then they wonder why Trump thinks he can push her around. Give May the right brassiere and she'll see him off smartly!

R499

R501 - *2017 electoral debacle

Maybe May and MeAgain can go shopping for bras together, 503.

R503 - Maybe they can take Melania with them in an advisory capacity.

Melanie's are implants. Fake boobs don't need the same kind of bras.

R507 - and you know this how?

But whatever they are, they look better than poor Mrs May's droopers. If you INSIST on real ones at least do right by them!

Winsdsor Castle is NOT the BRF property any more than Buckingham Palace is.

R502 - I just realised that the PM is wearing a sari in one of those photos - do my eyes deceive me or is it some sort of not-quite-but-looks-like sort of thing.

Isn't that, er, cultural appropriation?

And there are, of course, her legendary leopard ballet flats.

R508 there are many images of Melania’s wonky implants you can Google. Her off balance silicone titties are not a state secret.

R482, wow, I can't believe she walked out of the house in that horrible dress!

Most stars wear their outfits and have staff take pics with them in it, so they see what they look like photographed, some materials are too see through etc.

R508, we all have seen pics of Melania's "art" nudes. her tits are fake. quite obvious. MM should get a fake pair as well, she would look better in clothing.

No one gives a fuck about whore Melanoma, her tits or dress. And Drumpf looks like a fool with suits and tuxedos that never button over his mammoth gut.

R509 - Hm - you may be right about Windsor, but then why did the taxpayer revolt succeed against paying to rebuild it? Certainly, Balmoral and Sandringham are privately owned. Not certain about Clarence House, Charles's London residence, or St. James' Palace.

R514 - quite right, and no one gives a fuck about Kate Middleton or Meghan Markle, really, (despite the hysterical fraus who think we who do not worship Markle as they do go to bed in white hoods) - but giving a fuck about their clothes is not the same as giving a fuck about them. See?

Face it: the only one in the lot we really care about is Fergie.

R513 - I must admit I have not seen Melania's nudes. But I believe Sparkle has already gone down this route and didn't like the result (someone insisted these were not implants but a massive push-up job, but frankly I don't believe it).

R515, Buckingham Palace was opened to tours following the fire at Windsor Castle to help pay for renovations.

You rang?

Melania isn’t worthy of wearing Meghan’s used tampons.

R494 "The difference between making fun of the York women and MM is that the Yorks wear some truly bizarre things."

Just stop it. They've been called every nasty name in the book. Poor widdle MM does not need to be rescued.

Serious queston - Whar dour colour will MeAgain wear on Saturday at the summery Wimbledon event? So far, she's done grey, olive green, black, dark green on the Dark Winter palette. An autumnal, early winter maroon maybe?

As I said previously, I don't think anyone will ever top those 2. Between the hats, bizarre eye makeup and dresses it's hideousness of a lifetime.

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Navy, r522.

I'll go with this:

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Why does Rod Stewart always have to photobomb other people?

It's gotten so tiresome.

Black.

Gangrenous salmon

I just don’t get why she is considered beautiful.

Hair— not hers. Nose— not hers. Terrible body. Passable face, but merely cute.

No sense of style. Doesn’t seem to be bright or perceptive.

This is not s person who should be trying to get by on her looks.

I guess she’s good in bed...?

I really don't like that cape part of Melania's dress. I think those cape attachments are ugly. However, Melania's color, that icy yellow is better than the dark blue color of Sparkle's cape dress for the Queen's birthday concert. That dress looked like an old time nurse's cape circa 1940.

R499, Melania's 'girls' always look like half a large watermelon.

Wimbledon should be interesting. Will MM grab Kate’s hand? God knows she can’t walk on her own. Kate may be dull, but she can wear a potato sack and still look stunning, even after pushing out three kids.

[quote]Melania's 'girls' always look like half a large watermelon.

Payink big money, beech.

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R519 - thanks for nothing. That goes right up there with Beatrice's fallopian hat, Diana's ankle socks, Fergie's organ pleat Ascot dress, and Sparkle's de la Renta tablecloth dress.

R534 - LOL. And the DM, ever on the watch for an opportunity to stick it to Sparkle, has a nice article up today about how Kate loves one of her McQueen coats so much that she has it in three colours and has kept recycling it for years even after three pregnancies! (Just a day after reminding readers that Spendthrift, luxury loving Sparkle spent 17,000 quid on clothes and accessories in three changes of clothes in three hours on a brief trip to Dublin.)

I wonder if Sparkle will wear that dreadful sundress she wore before the wedding, with the straps, belt, buttons, and stripes that made her look like a carousel ride. Even CB fraus slaughtered it.

Kate has better taste in clothes.

MM probably wants to be "different", "edgy" etc and tries out clothes in colors not usually worn...to horrible effects. stupid bitch, but hey, she was an actress, not exactly NASA material.

To add to that r538 they pointed out Melania is wearing British designers on this trip.

Kate, like Princess Diana, grew up with money and it shows. MM did not and it shows. MM will take a while to get it right. Also, MM has a difficult body type to dress. The inverted triangle body type gets even harder to dress as a person gets older. I think that MM's stylist is doing her a disservice by trying to make her capture Audrey Hepburn's style. MM is no gamine. Hepburn, while very slim, had hips and a feminine body.

yes, I agree R541. I do not understand how anyone can think a tight top on her (with no tits) will look good. It just makes her look even worse. And she's an actress, she should know a thing or two about dressing. She should wear a loose top, pad that bra! it will give her some shape, will look more feminine.

Look at these posts...like you all know these people...SMH. Bitter and jelly that you don’t have Harry and no one in the immediate royal family is openly gay...bitter bitter bitter bitter bitter

Actually if you pay attention R543, she's getting better advice on this thread than is she from her stylists and whomever else she's working with. They seem to hate her more than the haters.

Thing is, I get what she is trying to do and I think she’s on the right track, style-wise. She needs work on appropriateness for the occasion/season and tailoring.

And the expense. Maybe she has the idea that she wants to be envied, wearing designer this and that for every single occasion.

who gives a shit about Harry? I certainly don't. I only came here to post coz I saw her in that horrid arm green outfit, and she had no accessories as well. It was so wrong. I think maybe she is going against the advise of her people and wants to wear these colors and styles to make herself stand out and different. coz she's DIFFERENT than other royals, don't cha know!?!

R524 - Holy Jesus. Bea and Fergie really do make other royals' wardrobe foibles look puny by comparison.

That horazontal strip across the bust in,R524, is really unfortunate. Why don't they have good bras? They've had big boobs for a long time. Busty women need to drop some money on good bras. These women aren't poor they can get specially made foundation garments. I don't get it. Is that a recent picture? They had started looking better recently.

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Melania

The Daily Mail is fantastic and evil... the Alexis Carrington of tabloids. They are so trolling her, but it's so subtle. Genius. But poor Meagain was always meant to be the next Princess Michael. This is her life. She may get a break when she has a baby, briefly.

Assuming she doesn't get fat. Recall the Duchess of Pork.

I think she screwed herself forever by that threatening letter to the British press accusing everyone of racism and demanding to be left alone before anyone had ever heard of her. Nobody had a fucking clue who this whining asshole was but with that appearing a month before her vomit inducing Vanity Fair interview means the entire press will skewer every pretension, mock every inane utterance, scold every amateurish faux pas and deride every overpriced, badly fitted non-British wardrobe mistake. She brought it on herself. The threats to the press were to raise her profile and it badly backfired.

That heavy-handed press release was part of MM's strategy campaign to lure in Harry, r552.

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I hate to admit it, but everything Melania has worn this trip has been perfection. Even she’s wearing British designers. That’s a Barbour jacket in R554 picture and she wore a Victoria Beckham dress the other day. I can’t believe Megan is so tone deaf when it comes to her clothes.

Look at Melania's figure casually climbing into the truck at r554. Markle doesn't exude any sex appeal. None whatsoever despite the try-hard expensive couture.

Meghan is cute not sexy.

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R552, I agree!

R551, MM won’t be getting fat. Ever.

cmon, she's almost 40, you know what you look good in and not good in by this time. It's not that hard really, even for a dumb actress like her.

Melania, for an uneducated whore, she's dressed very well. gotta give her credit. whoever is helping her is doing a great job.

Melania’s pants are too tight at r554. Camel toe?

MM = r561.

The problem is when MM smiles she looks goofy. Also when she does that "demure" half-smile. The only time she looks natural is when she is laughing. And she can't go around doing that all the time.

She kind of has the same tard face as Alam Wernik, but without any of the sex appeal.

Since she was only one step up from “woman laughing with salad” model before Harry r563 it does seem more natural

MM over-acts everthing, r563. "Awwww. thank you so much!!!!!!!!' No demure presence, self-confidence, contained power.

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From r567...

So extravagant are her outfits that on her whirlwind trip to Dublin this week, she was revealed to have worn £28,000 worth of clothes in just 24 hours.

In fact, to date, she hasn't worn a single garment in public more than once.

All this begs the rather delicate question: who's footing the bill?

By way of comparison, the Duchess of Cambridge spent £119,000 on new outfits throughout the whole of 2017, and a more modest £100,000 in 2016.

Less than two months after joining the royal ranks, Meghan's clothing budget has already outstripped that. Indeed, if she continues at her current rate, she could spend almost £1 million by the end of the year.

R551 - not so subtle today: they now a sidebar screaming that Sparkle has already spent $205,000 on 15 outfits since the wedding, and another full article screaming "Whose footing the bill, Meghan? Duchess spends huge £155,000 (pound equivalent of $205,000) on 15 new outfits since wedding".

This is the most overt the DM has been since the engagement. As this sort of backlash against her extravagance, almost all spent on foreign luxury labels, was predictable and predicted, it's puzzling that neither she, nor Harry, nor Charles anticipated it and told MeAgain to at least start spending it on Burberry, McQueen, Jenny Packham, Catherine Walker, etc.

Will it blow over or will Clarence House, which is probably footing the bill, be forced to make another public announcement on Harry's wife's behalf?

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Gotta be Harry. Remember, there was an article that said he goes with her to design houses and picks out her outfits and even put in his 2 cents worth of designing ideas to the designers.

^ Er sorry for double post. I don't know why that article goes to a video.

It's obscene the amount of money Meghan Markle has expended on clothes since her engagement for the simple goal of getting tongues wagging. Many of the reviews have been so polarizing or just downright bad, that critics can't even find a nice way to say she looks terrible. The public expected more from this 'ready to hit the ground running" highly anticipated debut. but ended up with the impression from the clothes of someone disconnected from fashion and clueless as to how to detract from her 'boyish' silhouette—and this is the tricky part—her suits are intended to be the epitome of cool but but they appear to be cut for the sort of woman who has the physique of a curvaceous woman.

Meghan has the physique of a15-year-old girl. She is not merely slender; she is short, and box-like. She doesn’t have much of a tush either. And her legs are best hidden. Her 'hair" is an ever-deepening mystery best left to the 'no comment' zone.

[quote]Stepping out for the RAF centenary celebrations, Meghan plumped for a £2,000 Dior couture dress.

[quote]Paying no heed to suggestions that she might have chosen a British designer for this patriotic occasion, she dressed almost entirely in the French fashion brand

Her figure isn't her fault but her spending is. Even if the rationale is that she has to build a wardrobe, she doesn't need to do it all at once, if only for the sake of appearances.

Markles had hit the biggest leagues she was ever going to get in Toronto in her Suits soap, as a D-List actress at the ripe old age of 36. She was clawing onto Harry because there was zero left for her in Canada and absolutely nothing for her in her home country of the U.S. She is milking this extravagance for all the hunger and desperaton she felt during her lean years.

How many black Givenchy belts does she own?

The poster who calculated her spending a couple weeks ago (before the Ireland) trip said there were at least 2 (one at 350 pounds and one at 340 pounds). So, is that a different black Givenchy belt from the Ireland trip?

Come on people! Of course she spending a lot of money on clothes-she’s going to be allowed to keep her clothes, unlike most of the jewelry, in a divorce. Of course she’s going to spend on designer labels that she can later auction off For income

Auction in Barstow, California, R579, most likely.

Wonder what she will wear to watch tennis?

Summery white cotton for Wimbledon

Annnd that could be why she doesn't get them altered, r579 and r580...

Who will buy out of style used clothing from Megs, assuming it comes to that? It's not like she's Diana and did Fergie ever sell her size 18 schmatas?

r584 see r580.

Agree, R566.

I'm probably the only one, but I actually like the York sisters' looks from Will and Kate's wedding. They are so over-the-top and distinctive, they've become iconic. The boat-like shape of Eugenie's at a rakish forward angle was reminiscent of a Beach Blanket Babylon showgirl. And Beatrice's looked like an intrauterine birth control device. I loved it! Sometimes good taste is overrated. (I also liked Bjork's swan dress.)

That said, Meghan's bad choices are not at all in the same vein; they have zero wit and whimsy about them.

Are we taking any bets on a response from the Palace or will they simply ignore this? Further bets on Sparkle suddenly appearing in the far more modest outfits she wore during the engagement - before she got the important ring on her finger?

Re Wimbledon: given the DM's headlines today, I'm betting she will show up in something she's worn before: either the (totally inappropriate) green frilly sleeveless dress she wore to the Lawrence memorial, or that terrible, boxy, buttons/stripes/straps summer dress she wore.

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Spendng like a drunken sailor..

From what I read, Kate is truly a tennis fan and her family as well. Have been for years.

I suspect Sparkle may not know much about the game.

Was it at Wimbledon pre-Harry where Sparkle was thrown out? Or is that a made up story about her seat jumping until she was ejected? Or was that some other event?

I predict they will not sit next to each other and that Kate will be sure to bring someone to act as a buffer between her and Sparkle.

How about Princess Anne?

Now THAT would be worth tuning in for.

Anne won't be at Wimbledon, r590.

Have all the DL posters with a sense of humor left for good?

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Princess Anne recycled 5 outfits in 35 years according to the DM.

From the link posted by R588: [quote]One final piece of advice. Perhaps Meghan should book an appointment with Rigby & Peller, providers of lingerie to the royals — and get herself a proper-fitting bra.

Fucking burn!

Queen's bra fitter Rigby & Peller loses royal warrant after tell-all book.......

Former owner of Rigby & Peller speaks of losing Royal warrant after book.

MM will dazzle on centre court.

She's too short to carry off the cape concept.

Why Megs would go within 100 miles of any company that sells undergarments to the Royals is ridiculous. Camilla has the sagging tits of death (nevermind the panties- one pair lasts the hag a week), The Queen Mother had swinging udders, and if Bea and Huge buy from there, Dear God in heaven. She'd be better off braless.