HANDMAID'S TALE Season 2 (new thread)
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Continue discussion of whether Serena's outfits look blue or green (or teal?), why Elisabeth Moss always makes Grumpy Cat faces in moments of emotional stress, and how much worse Joseph Fiennes looks since he was so hot in [italic]Shakespeare in Love.[/italic]
Oh, and also about the story of June in Gilead...
by Anonymous | reply 350 | June 6, 2019 6:50 PM
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I would hope whatever happens next season they can open things up a bit and get the show out of Cambridge & Ottawa. I would like to see more of what's happening in other parts of Gilead since the Sons of Jacob Revolution.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | June 21, 2018 9:16 PM
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Thanks OP for starting the new thread.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | June 21, 2018 9:22 PM
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There should be a war next season and Serena Joy gets captured by Canada and then cut to a scene with the US government guy played by Sam Jaeger laying shirtless on Hawaiian beach reading a news article about SJ's capture.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | June 21, 2018 9:24 PM
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Do they call her Serena Joy in the series? I know she was Serena Joy in the novel and in the movie, but in the series she seems to be called only either "Serena" (by her husband and privately by June) or "Mrs. Waterford" (by June publicly and by everyone else).
by Anonymous | reply 4 | June 21, 2018 9:29 PM
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This show would benefit from a larger budget, like "The Man in the High Castle" has. Like that latter show, it's re-imagining an entire world. But I'm sure the audience is not big enough for a budget like that.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | June 21, 2018 9:56 PM
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My bet: Fred gets executed. Serena gets sent to the Colonies. Emily is plotting something big that gets her thrown in a gulag right before she would have been rescued by Canadians. I have no guess about what happens to Nick. The baby is stillborn. June is placed with the old man who thought she was pretty. I don't think June ever gets out of Gilead alive. Maybe the baby is born in Canada and the Canadian government refuses to sent it to Gilead, saying it is a Canadian citizen, but June is somehow forced to return. I think Hannah is reunited with her father. And, as always, the chick playing Moira will fail to even smile believably much less portray any other facet of being a human being with any shred of authenticity.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | June 21, 2018 10:13 PM
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I hope Emily survives this dystopia. I like her world-weary gumption in the face of horrible brutality.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | June 21, 2018 10:24 PM
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I don;t think Fred or Serena will be executed or sent to the colonies (or if so, for very long): they're the major supporting cast.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | June 21, 2018 10:55 PM
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I’ve never read the book. What happens to Fred and SJ in it?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | June 21, 2018 11:51 PM
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Nothing happens to Fred and SJ. Their story ends in the book exactly as the first season ended: with them watching Offred being led away in a car, either to freedom or to trouble with the Eyes.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | June 21, 2018 11:54 PM
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The epilogue in the book suggests Fred was executed in a purge shortly after.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 22, 2018 12:07 AM
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I think June will survive and escape Gilead. It's a question of when. I suspect this show will drag it out longer.
A war or Mayday revolt should at least happen at the end of this season to move the story forward. In season 1, it was mentioned that Canadian and British troops were training near the border and the Waterfords' visit to Canada became a disaster due to the release of the letters. The Canadian, US government in exile, and their allies might feel it's time to invade Gilead.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | June 22, 2018 12:54 AM
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I have a feeling Gilead in the series does not have access to nuclear weapons or technologies which makes them a much weaker Gilead than the books. And invasion is possible.
BTW Fred was killed by June in the book not killed in a purge..
by Anonymous | reply 13 | June 22, 2018 1:30 AM
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I think Fred will be killed off and Serena Joy gets some kind of punishment if the US reclaims the areas taken over by Gilead. The Commanders wives' helped their husbands commit sex crimes and I could see the federal or reclaimed state governments arresting them, convicting them, and sending them to prisons.
I loved how Emily killed that Commander's wife at the colonies and the other Commander wives need to pay too.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | June 22, 2018 4:25 AM
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R13 "Fred was killed by June in the book not killed in a purge"
No.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | June 22, 2018 4:32 AM
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It was a purge R13. Not June.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | June 22, 2018 4:39 AM
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Apparently r13 read a different book.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | June 22, 2018 12:02 PM
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NM I was thinking about the movie not the novel.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | June 22, 2018 2:08 PM
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I like your ideas, R14. I hope that the last part of the final season will deal with that -- Nuremberg-like trials for the Commanders and their wives, with lots of discussion about culpability, complicity, and criminal guilt.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | June 22, 2018 3:26 PM
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R19, interesting idea but I think anything that moves beyond the world Atwood created is chancy, though the narrative has now gone beyond her novel it's still recognizable as the world she created.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | June 22, 2018 4:24 PM
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R19. That said I think there are interesting ideas about how a society rebuilds after a society rebuilds post war or post revolution. Indeed the commanders would be tried but all the low ranking armed, how many would be vetted and cleared?
Would some of the aunt's be cleared?
A society where the guilty are absolved to allow a transition, like Spain post Franco and much of south America is always dramatically intriguing.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | June 22, 2018 4:33 PM
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In the novel I think Gilead persists for many decades. So it would be weird to have it fall after a couple years. Maybe the allies will just slowly take back American territory.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | June 22, 2018 6:34 PM
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Yes, they speak at the academic conference about “early”, “middle” and “late” period Gilead- I presume at shortest the regime lasted thirty years
by Anonymous | reply 23 | June 22, 2018 8:46 PM
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I'm not sure how exactly they're holding to the book--they're already changed a number of things from it.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | June 22, 2018 9:07 PM
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Only a man would want the women punished more than the males - just as DL always blames female enablers more than male murderers or rapists - without understanding that all females, including wives and aunts, are subjugated in Gilead, and that this is one of the main strengths of Atwood’s masterpiece. A bird in a gilded cage is still a bird in a cage.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | June 22, 2018 9:09 PM
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[quote]Would some of the aunt's be cleared?
If Gilead is thrown over and the American government once again takes control, I can see some of the Aunts working out plea deals to avoid the maximum punishment. The Aunts are guilty of various crimes in addition to the commanders and wives. Aunt Lydia is the type that would probably beg for some kind of deal. She along with other vicious Aunts, Commanders, and wives needs to be killed or punished for the awful shit they have inflicted on others.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | June 22, 2018 9:39 PM
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I agree, R25. Women are infallible and any bad things they do are always a man's fault.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | June 22, 2018 10:36 PM
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I hear Michael Avanettit will represent June in the next season
by Anonymous | reply 28 | June 22, 2018 10:43 PM
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Fred is killed by June in the film version with Robert Duval, Natasha Richardson and DL face Faye Dunaway.
In the book, he's executed in a purge.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | June 22, 2018 11:27 PM
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I meant DL fave, not face.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | June 22, 2018 11:27 PM
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The Israeli trailer is on the Hot Vod Facebook page.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | June 23, 2018 3:58 AM
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If anyone wants more spoilers check out The Handmaid's Tale-Official Fan Group on Facebook. Some photos from a production member's website have been put on that group and some of the spoilers are big.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | June 23, 2018 3:08 PM
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I want Nick to kill Fred on the show.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | June 23, 2018 3:36 PM
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I want Luke to hate fuck fred, then strangle him
by Anonymous | reply 35 | June 23, 2018 5:47 PM
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The family separation issues are timely, to say the least. Wonder if that was Atwood’s doing as she’s proved to be very prescient. (Anyone know the extent of Atwood’s involvinment on the scripting?)
by Anonymous | reply 36 | June 24, 2018 6:53 AM
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She’s not directly involved.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | June 24, 2018 3:00 PM
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The only low point of this episode was Cherry Jones.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | June 27, 2018 4:58 AM
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The voice cameo in the episode was kind of fun.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | June 27, 2018 5:29 AM
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Beautiful episode. Only marginally ruined by Samira Wiley
by Anonymous | reply 40 | June 27, 2018 7:56 AM
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Anyone else think Brewer is a terrific acctress? She tenures me of Brittney Murphy a bit
by Anonymous | reply 41 | June 27, 2018 8:16 AM
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R41 I think she's better than Samira Wiley.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | June 27, 2018 10:28 PM
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The garage door sequence bordered on slapstick
by Anonymous | reply 44 | June 27, 2018 11:58 PM
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The voiceovers were great, and direct from the book
by Anonymous | reply 45 | June 28, 2018 12:04 AM
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Too good to reveal with even a spoiler alert but come on, however you feel about her, hearing THAT PERSON'S voice on the car radio was fucking awesome.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | June 28, 2018 12:07 AM
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Oh, got it, didn’t even recognize it.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | June 28, 2018 12:23 AM
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I'm not a huge Oprah fan. But, I enjoyed that small part especially when she said "Gilead traitor".
I'm hoping that some kind of war against Gilead starts at the end of this season or maybe early next season. Hell, I would love it if in the season finale an invasion of Gilead starts and then we hear Oprah announcing it on the radio and then we see the Americans in Alaska, Hawaii, and Canada cheering.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | June 28, 2018 4:57 AM
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In the book was Gilead meant to be the USA?
I read it a long time ago. For some reason I thought it was just a fictional country somewhere.
Making it the US makes the story awkward. How did they get control over everybody? How did people not fight back or get help from other countries?
by Anonymous | reply 51 | June 28, 2018 5:19 AM
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R51 it was always USA.
Population crisis (infertility, one of the few more overt fantastical elements but not outside realm of belief), extreme right activism, growth of terrorism, infiltration of basically all agencies, and a massive attack on the branches of government, replacing them with the infiltrated figures.
Its part cautionary tale, but also part alternate universe. Its efforts wouldn't actually work by itself in the USA today exactly, but added factors like years (or more) of infertility and rise of alternate politics, as well as deterioration of international relations (oh...) led to an opening for fanatics to grow and exploit.
People did fight back. In the book, they're still fighting back for years on. But Gilead had the majority of mainland USA, at least to enough degree to claim it.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | June 28, 2018 6:44 AM
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The novel never specified whether Gilead had all the former USA territory and there's no mention of whether some version of the US still exists. The events of the story take place in what used to be New England and we can assume based on the attacks in the capital that Gilead has control at least as far south as DC. Blacks are relocated somewhere vaguely identified as in the midwest, so it extends at least as far west as Ohio. The location of the colonies is never revealed.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | June 28, 2018 7:21 AM
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I cannot understand why June is so hard on Emily, e.g., “bitch, at least your wife and child are alive”. June ALSO knows her husband and child are alive, and furthermore June has not had her clit cut off. Emily gets to be as furious as she wants to be. The clitoris has more nerve endings than the penis and I hardly think people would be telling a man to just get over a penisectomy.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | June 28, 2018 9:22 AM
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The real difference is in our world people are electing the architect of Gilead rather than sitting around and waiting for them to machine gun all the branches of government.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | June 28, 2018 11:28 AM
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R51 there were two, maybe three US maps on the wall in the home office of the mansion in the Holly episode. Certain parts of the US were blacked out. Wonder if that was a clue?
by Anonymous | reply 56 | June 28, 2018 11:45 AM
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[quote]Blacks are relocated somewhere vaguely identified as in the midwest, so it extends at least as far west as Ohio.
They mention the dakotas
by Anonymous | reply 57 | June 28, 2018 2:18 PM
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I'm really getting frustrated with the darkness on screen. Yeah, I know why they do it (it's dramatic, sinister , it's a dark time in history etc...) but if I can't see what the fuck is going on, who the fuck is doing what and can't see the emotions on their faces, the darkness is just a distraction. I got so pissed off, I turned the channel. Therefore, I didn't see all of the scenes. I did see Nick take June to a big house to meet her daughter. I could see that scene. I think Nick was shot and June was left in the house by herself.
Can someone please tell what the else happened (you know, when it was too dark to see anything). Thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | June 28, 2018 2:29 PM
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[quote]Can someone please tell what the else happened
No.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | June 28, 2018 2:46 PM
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R41 Brewer has surprised me. I did not think much of her on Orange Is The New Black, and Hemlock Grove was just so bad overall I couldn't judge her performance. But she is really good in this.
Samira Wiley, on the other hand, is horrible. I already thought she was wooden on OITNB, but at least that was a dramedy, and her acting still kind of fit. She is not a dramatic actress; nothing she emotes rings true.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | June 28, 2018 3:42 PM
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Samira Wiley didn't deserve that Emmy nomination last year.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | June 28, 2018 4:04 PM
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When will she be slapped?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | June 28, 2018 10:01 PM
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The Israeli promo is up on the Hot Vod Facebook. Major spoilers are in it for the next ep.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | June 28, 2018 11:41 PM
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Can u post a link r65. I can’t find it via searching.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | June 28, 2018 11:45 PM
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R66 If you have instagram look for an account called @hot_il it has the promo.
Hulu seems to be fighting with that Hot Vod network because of the recent promos giving away major spoilers. I know last week the Israeli promo was briefly up for viewing in the US.
The spoilers in the Israeli promo for next week were also spoiled onto several Facebook groups because a member of the production team put a bunch of set pics on her personal website.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | June 28, 2018 11:57 PM
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Well, that preview gave a lot away.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | June 29, 2018 12:02 AM
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all you have to do is google 'the handmaid's tale season 2 episode 12 preview' and you get a lot of hits.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | June 29, 2018 12:06 AM
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Here's a shot of the map. it looks like it shows Gilead in three stages, with probably the first being what Gilead was when it started, the second being what Gilead is when the maps were created, and the third being an aspirational map that covers the whole united States.
It makes sense. we've heard on the show that there is guerrila fighting in Florida, and that there is still fighting going on "in what remains of Chicago"
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 71 | June 29, 2018 12:24 AM
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Interesting. But why do they say that the US is only a rump of two states? Hawaii and Alaska?
by Anonymous | reply 72 | June 29, 2018 12:26 AM
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It's been a long time since I've read the book, but I recall it mentions the American government being set up in Alaska and the show is following that. Distance was probably reason why in Hawaii's case Sons of Jacob were unable to take over.
I hope the show will at least give a couple of scenes of Alaska or Hawaii in a future episode. It would be interesting to see how life is in and how many made into those states. The US government rep that Serena met in Canada will probably pop up again.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | June 29, 2018 12:38 AM
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Because he's adorable!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 74 | June 29, 2018 12:55 AM
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So it was really Serena's idea to create the handmaids?
by Anonymous | reply 75 | June 29, 2018 4:55 AM
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[quote]t I recall it mentions the American government being set up in Alaska and the show is following that.
Nope, it doesn’t. No american government at all
by Anonymous | reply 76 | June 29, 2018 5:20 AM
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[quote]Samira Wiley didn't deserve that Emmy nomination last year.
No, she didn't. It should have gone to Yvonne Strahovski, andl Hulu had better push Strahovski hard for this season, which she owned. Wiley was barely in this season, so hopefully one won't cancel out the other.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | June 29, 2018 9:24 AM
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For this season, I think Strahovski is more deserving of an Emmy nomination than Ann Dowd. I like Ann, but this should be Yvonne's year.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | June 29, 2018 9:05 PM
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Theories about Rita are increasing. I think she'll be involved in some kind of attack.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 80 | June 29, 2018 11:27 PM
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Reddit theory about a possible fire being caused by Serena's smoking.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 81 | June 29, 2018 11:28 PM
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Rita is spying for the eyes
by Anonymous | reply 82 | June 30, 2018 3:33 AM
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The actress who plays Rita gets pretty high billing in the credits considering her role so far. I kept seeing the name come up and eventually googled it to see who she was. So far the role doesn't seem to merit that kind of billing so I'm guessing they have stuff planned for her in the future.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | June 30, 2018 3:37 AM
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Wiley didn't have enough episodes this year to qualify for supporting actress so she will be in guest actress.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | June 30, 2018 3:38 AM
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If my Nick eye candy is taken away I will riot.
Yvonne defintely deserves the Emmy.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | June 30, 2018 1:36 PM
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Emmy nomination round voting ended on June 25th. Hopefully voters had been watching the show and noticed Yvonne's performances. It would be good to see her get nomination over than awful Chrissy Metz from This Is Us.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | June 30, 2018 2:48 PM
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So the previews show Nicks little wife and the young guard being executed?
by Anonymous | reply 89 | June 30, 2018 3:38 PM
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The actress who plays Rita was given servant duties at last year's Emmy to escort Margaret Atwood on stage. Poor thing.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 90 | June 30, 2018 4:00 PM
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I kinda believe Rita is an Eye. And probably rats on Nick's slutty wife and Isaac.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | June 30, 2018 9:06 PM
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If Rita's an Eye, then Offred wouldn't have been able to pull half the shit she's pulled.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | June 30, 2018 9:22 PM
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Eyes don't care about lowly Handmaid's they care about the power structure and those in it.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | June 30, 2018 10:33 PM
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Power is based on fertility in Gilead, so eyes seriously do contend with the handmaids
by Anonymous | reply 95 | June 30, 2018 11:08 PM
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If Rita turns out to be an eye, maybe the story about her son dying in the war is a lie.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | July 1, 2018 12:30 AM
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Or he just fought for the shit side.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | July 1, 2018 12:32 AM
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[quote]I kinda believe Rita is an Eye. And probably rats on Nick's slutty wife and Isaac.
There might be a chance that she's not an Eye. She seemed fed up in that episode where Isaac was assigned to guard the house. She made the comment to Offred that she hated that Isaac could physically abuse her and not face any punishment. Rita doesn't seem to like child bride Eden. She probably would love to rat them out and be rid of Eden in the household.
I also wonder if the theory that Rita is a spy for the US government in exile could pan out and has been working somehow to get dirt on Fred and Serena Joy.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | July 1, 2018 12:35 AM
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If you read the book the basic feeling from all characters is of suspicious and hidden alliances. A double-agent for the resistance and the eyes is just possible in Atwood’s world
by Anonymous | reply 99 | July 1, 2018 1:49 AM
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Rita being an eye would be almost heartbreaking for many viewers because she seems warm and she elicits sympathy among many, I'd love that touch but they'd need to make it believable which is turning into a bigger and bigger problem as the series goes on imo, not regarding this particular (potential) plot twist but in general.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | July 1, 2018 3:24 AM
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Heart-breaking? read the book. It’s bone-chilling
by Anonymous | reply 102 | July 1, 2018 5:56 AM
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Samara Wiley bothers me. That could be a great role. In the movie Elizabeth McGovern made that into a scene stealing role.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | July 1, 2018 5:59 AM
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When the actress said a complete left turn for the character, that's why I suspect she might be sympathetic to Gilead. Although she would have ratted out June regarding the letters and probably destroyed them.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | July 2, 2018 12:03 PM
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How many times will OfFred stare into the camera and declare her independence or resistance, only to be foiled yet again? It's getting old.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | July 2, 2018 1:13 PM
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Both of them hate you as well r106.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | July 2, 2018 1:41 PM
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I loved Peggy and I love Offred, but I was thinking the same thing. I don't know many times I can take her escaping and being captured. It's becoming very repititious.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | July 2, 2018 1:50 PM
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She hasn’t been captured this time yet.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | July 2, 2018 1:51 PM
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Elizabeth Moss played Peggy Olson on Mad Men R110
by Anonymous | reply 111 | July 2, 2018 2:07 PM
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And she was a Norwegian Catholic.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | July 2, 2018 3:03 PM
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[quote]I loved Peggy and I love Offred, but I was thinking the same thing. I don't know many times I can take her escaping and being captured. It's becoming very repititious.
I think there might be a chance that she escapes in the finale because a war breaks out. Season 3 could be her in Canada reuniting with Moira and Luke and trying to figure out ways to get Hannah and the baby back. Nick could be stuck in Gilead, but could be plotting against Fred and Serena.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | July 4, 2018 2:49 AM
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I would really like if this show goes against type and Offred realizes she loves Nick, so she goes back to Gilead to rescue him and their baby. She comes to terms with the fact that she was an adulterer and that she shouldn't have been with Luke.
I'd like it if the show doesn't get wrapped up in a nice little bow.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | July 4, 2018 4:13 AM
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Nichole is a trashy name.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | July 4, 2018 4:42 AM
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"She looks just like her father."
by Anonymous | reply 119 | July 4, 2018 4:54 AM
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The latest episode really doesn't feel like the penultimate episode of the season. I have no clue what they're going to do in the last episode to set up season 3.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | July 4, 2018 12:05 PM
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It was Oprah's voice in the car?! Oh damn, I completely missed that.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | July 4, 2018 1:32 PM
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Based on the promo for the finale, I hope Serena is being punished in a extreme way.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | July 4, 2018 3:06 PM
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I love the show but the last few episodes have really strained credulity. Eden wouldn't confess her sins? Bullshit. The Waterfords have a handmaid disappear TWICE and then a guardian and wife run off together and everyone just kind of ho-hums it. And the show apparently exists in a universe where adoptions never happened and baby formula never existed (because no women seem to know what to do with a baby who isn't biologically theirs). All these false steps just to maneuver June back into the Waterford's house.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | July 4, 2018 3:23 PM
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If anyone else forgot today is Wednesday, and a new episode has been released.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | July 4, 2018 3:25 PM
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how exciting! just in time for fireworks!
by Anonymous | reply 125 | July 4, 2018 3:36 PM
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I can see a storyline in which it becomes revealed that the Eyes and other commanders are secretly plotting against the Watefords and Fred is eventually executed once they gather enough dirt. There is speculation that Rita might be an Eye and I could see her dishing dirt on them. In the latest episode, you could tell that Rita was wishing she could bitch out Serena for the constant changing of baby clothes and the way she was handling the baby.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | July 4, 2018 3:43 PM
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The formula thing is is easily explained. The whole concept of Gilead is living biblically and naturally. The breastfeeding Nazis are bad enough now. Imagine a bunch of religious zealots joining La Leche League.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | July 4, 2018 4:27 PM
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Breastfeeding with face slapping
by Anonymous | reply 128 | July 4, 2018 4:30 PM
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R127, women have had to supplement or replace breastmilk for millennia. The notion that June running out of breastmilk would be a crisis is ridiculous. If one of the tenets of Gilead is that babies are breastfed whenever possible, or that formula, wet-nursing, and animal milk are not options for whatever reason, then June would be nursing her baby and Serena would grit her teeth and suck it up. Otherwise Serena would have already planned to supplement or replace June's breastmilk. This contrived storyline of "oh, June is pumping per Serena's wishes but the milk is running out, CRISIS!, oh I guess she needs to move back in with the Waterfords" is frankly insulting to the audience.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | July 4, 2018 4:45 PM
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I watched half the episode last night. wtf is up with Emily’s new post? That artwork! And the Martha cussing and arguing back.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | July 4, 2018 4:48 PM
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That Martha who is missing an eye was cussing and arguing back. And then the Commander was grilling Emily about her past and offering her alcohol. So does this guy purposely take in misfits and let them be or does he accept misfits so he can be cruel to them under cover of "they deserved it"?
by Anonymous | reply 131 | July 4, 2018 4:58 PM
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^ Forgot to add, similarly, does he keep his wife locked up for her own protection or to punish her for speaking out?
by Anonymous | reply 132 | July 4, 2018 4:59 PM
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Maybe Emily’s new commander is testing her for recruitment for the resistance?
Aunt Lydia did not want to leave Emily there.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | July 4, 2018 5:48 PM
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[quote]Serena would grit her teeth and suck it up.
Pics please.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | July 4, 2018 8:29 PM
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I liked how June rolled her eyes at Eden's refusal to ask for Mercy.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | July 4, 2018 10:36 PM
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aint watchin no show where the star is sci tology member....NO
by Anonymous | reply 137 | July 4, 2018 10:40 PM
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I actually liked this episode a lot. Except for the end.
Atwood’s writing always furthers the mood of discomfort and suspicion. This episode, with the new commander for Emily, the tension between nick and offred, and unrequited need to mother for June felt true to the writer. The eden Isaac thing felt a tad soap-opera like, though Gilead would have had no issue with culling the weak and impious, the way the other characters handled it weakened the whole.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | July 5, 2018 12:56 AM
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The new Commander is either looking for some sort of redemptive arc with Emily or she's just going to slash his throat. Is the Israeli preview up somewhere yet?
by Anonymous | reply 139 | July 5, 2018 1:47 AM
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R139 So far I haven't found the Israeli promo on Facebook or Instagram.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | July 5, 2018 2:14 AM
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Episode 13 promo embedded here:
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 141 | July 5, 2018 2:32 AM
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Love the new commander! He is the crazy daddy from Get Out the movie!
by Anonymous | reply 143 | July 5, 2018 3:26 AM
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He’s a better actor than the other male leads
by Anonymous | reply 144 | July 5, 2018 12:32 PM
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Would Bradley Whitford be eligible for a guest Emmy nomination next year since his episodes were released after this year's Emmy voting ended?
by Anonymous | reply 146 | July 5, 2018 2:53 PM
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Yes, we know tard R137. You've stated it over and over in deplorable English yet you repeatedly show up on a thread you claim disinterest in.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | July 5, 2018 4:51 PM
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[quote]Is the Israeli preview up somewhere yet?
It was posted earlier today:
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 148 | July 5, 2018 11:22 PM
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r51 Look around you. Americans are willingly giving up their freedoms for what they see, or are fooled into seeing, as a higher cause. Gilead is already happening in America. Register and vote.
r123 At the risk of giving the writers far too much credit, I think Eden illustrates the kind of religious fanatic who will read into scripture whatever suits them. Someone who does so knowingly is a hypocrite; someone who doesn't, perhaps like Eden, is just blind.
I know it's been many episodes since, but two things don't sit well with me about Rory. Why would the authorities take her (and others) back from the colonies to be handmaids again? They've been exposed to radiation, so their children will probably be born with abnormalities. Also, why would Rory kill Marisa Tomei? She would have suffered more by dying a slow death in the colonies.
I fucking love that new household. It's so batshit crazy but somehow makes so much sense. Gilead has to have a seedy underbelly, not just in secret places like Jezebel's, but within the establishment itself.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | July 6, 2018 12:07 AM
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[quote]I fucking love that new household. It's so batshit crazy but somehow makes so much sense. Gilead has to have a seedy underbelly, not just in secret places like Jezebel's, but within the establishment itself.
Indeed. All the commanders and wives all seem cool as ice so far. Not everyone, as we all well know, can be so mentally stabile
by Anonymous | reply 151 | July 6, 2018 12:09 AM
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So Emily stabs Aunt Lydia. Hope it's fatal!
by Anonymous | reply 152 | July 6, 2018 12:45 AM
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Lydia won’t hang until Waterford does
by Anonymous | reply 153 | July 6, 2018 2:13 AM
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I'm afraid that Emily will be executed.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | July 6, 2018 3:54 AM
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Emily will hang but Lydia will too
by Anonymous | reply 155 | July 6, 2018 12:00 PM
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I could maybe some twist where Emily's commander frames his wife for stabbing or killing Lydia.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | July 6, 2018 2:37 PM
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I'm glad they killed Isaac.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | July 6, 2018 3:44 PM
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According to a reddit thread, the finale will be an hour and a half long.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | July 6, 2018 5:04 PM
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What are you guys talking about? Aunt Lydia dies in the next episode? How do you know?
by Anonymous | reply 160 | July 6, 2018 5:06 PM
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Lydia is the glue that holds Gilead together! If she is gone, surely Gilead will fall!
by Anonymous | reply 161 | July 6, 2018 5:08 PM
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[quote]Aunt Lydia dies in the next episode? How do you know?
I think it's just speculation, but in the Israeli trailer Emily stabs her in the back
by Anonymous | reply 162 | July 6, 2018 5:11 PM
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[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 163 | July 6, 2018 6:40 PM
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She may well be a harlot, but at least she isn't a gender traitor!
by Anonymous | reply 165 | July 6, 2018 6:44 PM
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You know at Serena joy wants the Lezlez
by Anonymous | reply 166 | July 6, 2018 6:45 PM
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Just finished binging Season 2 so far, glad to have a breather before the season finale on Wednesday (it’s released in the morning, right? England vs. ??? might have to wait).
The only bit which sort of annoyed me was when the news of the explosion reached “Little America” in Canada and the gal making the announcement didn’t specify which district the explosion occurred. Why did the husband yell out “What about my wife?” if it wasn’t clear exactly where it happened? That was sloppy.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | July 7, 2018 7:15 PM
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This last episode was a big nothing. Maybe Serena Joy will try to escape with Offred. The show has jumped the shark
by Anonymous | reply 168 | July 8, 2018 1:31 PM
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I agree about the last episode, it was a total waste of time. Who gives a fuck about Nick’s “wife”? It just seemed like vamping to get to the season finale when the real shit hits the fan.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | July 8, 2018 2:12 PM
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I hope Aunt Lydia gets a backstory. I just spend the weekend binge watching Season 2 up to Postpartum.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | July 8, 2018 9:29 PM
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I don’t think she’ll get it on the season finale. Probably in Season 3, though.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | July 8, 2018 9:48 PM
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They've used some great music. No one seems to know what piece this is though.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 172 | July 8, 2018 10:05 PM
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Maybe Lydia will get a backstory as she sits in purgatory awaiting judgment after Emily slits her throat.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | July 8, 2018 10:20 PM
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R172, it’s called knock-off Philip Glass film score. You’re paid per minute. It’s not that exceptional, sorry
by Anonymous | reply 174 | July 8, 2018 11:48 PM
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R173, aunt Lydia will become queen of Gilead.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | July 8, 2018 11:49 PM
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[quote][R172], it’s called knock-off Philip Glass film score. You’re paid per minute. It’s not that exceptional, sorry
Ahem, SORRY, R174, I think it's exceptional.
And don't pull a I'm Better Than You act here, you're the one who invoked Philip Glass.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | July 9, 2018 12:28 AM
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You are allowed to think anything, but check out, “the hours” or “thin Blue Line” or the dozen other film scores glas. composed and won oscars for and compare. This scene simply uses a cheap version of that. Musical scores are added after all edited of the film is completely finished, it’s composed and recorded after everything visual has been long done. This is the process. You can like what you like, but this isn’t any example of good film scoring
by Anonymous | reply 177 | July 9, 2018 12:44 AM
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[quote]You are allowed to think anything, but check out, “the hours” or “thin Blue Line” or the dozen other film scores glas. composed and won oscars for and compare. This scene simply uses a cheap version of that. Musical scores are added after all edited of the film is completely finished, it’s composed and recorded after everything visual has been long done. This is the process. You can like what you like, but this isn’t any example of good film scoring
And? So what, I like the piece. You don't have to.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | July 9, 2018 12:50 AM
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i don't. but it's also not important music. I'm sorry that you're so insecure.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | July 9, 2018 1:44 AM
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Philip Glass has never won an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | July 9, 2018 2:08 AM
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Did some of you miss the point that if Eden who is a believer (but love is more important) will be killed no girl is safe? It’s a big deal in this story.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | July 9, 2018 5:45 AM
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I thought the Eden episode was terrific. It shows again how ALL women (including, yes, Serena) are victims in Gilead, just as Atwood intended in the book. But the black-and-white thinking males of Daralounf need a clear-cut female villain, hence Serena and Eden and Lydia needing punishing rather than more nuanced reactions. Punish the woman, burn the witch. Males are never equally culpable, just lured in by female wiles.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | July 9, 2018 9:17 AM
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r183 I get your point. But they killed Isaac too, so there's that. The Eden arc spoke to me more in terms of how one could completely buy into the Gilead doctrine and still not be safe. Or maybe how one could be so immersed in the doctrine that one loses sense of right and wrong, because what's right and what's wrong can be so easily rationalized.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | July 9, 2018 12:48 PM
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She was also technically a hormonal child.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | July 9, 2018 12:57 PM
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I love how Eden was given time with Nick in the locker room for a pep talk before her big moment in the "game."
by Anonymous | reply 186 | July 9, 2018 1:02 PM
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R183 People here do want the men to be punished and several here are hoping there is some kind of Mayday revolt or Canada invades Gilead.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | July 9, 2018 1:20 PM
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I just don’t get why they ended up executing a young girl (valuable to their society) who was potentially capable of procreating (hugely valuable to their society).
by Anonymous | reply 188 | July 9, 2018 1:37 PM
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They killed Handmaids and their value was clear, so why would Eden be safe?
by Anonymous | reply 189 | July 9, 2018 2:36 PM
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Because it's less about babies and more about the hatred and subjugation of women.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | July 9, 2018 2:40 PM
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Kind like those rabid anti- choice zealots R190.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | July 9, 2018 4:20 PM
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uh huh.
I suppose it makes a little more sense in the Atwood novel since Gilead is about as much evangelical as it is completely racist, anti-minority and genocidal.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | July 9, 2018 4:30 PM
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Exactly, the conversion to the TV version of Gilead is sometimes a bit awkward
by Anonymous | reply 193 | July 9, 2018 5:15 PM
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Marry me, r174! You are the cunt of my heart!!
by Anonymous | reply 194 | July 9, 2018 6:11 PM
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Sure thing. And sorry about the Oscar Gaff, and I thought he won those Grammys. He was nominated though
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 195 | July 9, 2018 6:38 PM
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[quote]I'm glad they killed Isaac.
I am too. I think the theory about Rita ratting out Isaac and Eden might be true.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | July 10, 2018 12:51 AM
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[quote] I think the theory about Rita ratting out Isaac and Eden might be true.
Did someone rat them out though? I thought Isaac deserted to run away with Eden and they were caught which exposed their relationship
by Anonymous | reply 198 | July 10, 2018 1:01 AM
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I’m so exicied!
Will Emily escape?
Will June moon around and be a nuisance?
Will Serena joy be joyful at last?
Poor Moira, will someone give her a handjob?
by Anonymous | reply 199 | July 11, 2018 2:08 AM
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According to IMDB, Luke and Moria are in the episode. There are times IMDB's listings are wrong.
I have the bad feeling Nick will be killed in the finale.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | July 11, 2018 2:40 AM
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Moira will kill nick
Emily will kill Lydia
June will kill the baby
The commander will kill Serena
by Anonymous | reply 201 | July 11, 2018 4:08 AM
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lol at Serena Joy. Cunt got what she deserved.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | July 11, 2018 5:14 AM
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r200 Or maybe they'll just replace the actor. It's been a long time coming.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | July 11, 2018 5:33 AM
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Oh, Tequila. I miss you most of all.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | July 11, 2018 6:15 AM
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GREAT season finale. Was not expecting Lydia's end already (was she killed?), but was really glad to see what finally enabled June to get the baby away. The actress who plays Serena is phenomenal. She's been so ambivalent all season, but this was the first time Fred had really crushed her spirit and showed her what an awful world they had wrought.
We had known Rita was up to something, but we had just misjudged what it was.
I loved that June insisted to Emily that the baby's name was Nicole. She recognized how extraordinary Serena's sacrifice was, and wanted to honor her.
Beautiful visuals in the final episode too, especially with that waterfall coming down the side of the overpass.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | July 11, 2018 7:13 AM
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That was a pretty great ending. Didn't see it coming.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | July 11, 2018 8:54 AM
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Meanwhile, in Texas . . .
[quote]I just experienced a Handmaidens Tale moment at the DFW airport by Customs and Border Protection. I was traveling back from Rome and stopped by US customs. I was asked if Sybonae was my daughter and I said yes. Then they asked why if she was my daughter I didn’t have the same last name. I told them I had already established my career and earned my doctorate with my last name Acosta so I had decided not to change it. That is why we had different names. Then the customs office said, well maybe you should have taken your husbands last names so you could prove you were her mom. I told him I had a lot of proof she was my daughter without having had his last name.
more at link
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 208 | July 11, 2018 9:51 AM
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Yvonne Strahovski deserves an Emmy nomination. But, voting ended a couple of weeks back and Strahovski probably had some competition of already Emmy favorites from other shows. I wouldn't be surprised if she is 'snubbed.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | July 11, 2018 1:29 PM
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Eden's parents were assholes to turn her in.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | July 11, 2018 1:34 PM
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R208 That woman is a cunt. It's not the Handmaiden's Tale! Fuck her.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | July 11, 2018 1:36 PM
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My predictions for next season
-The fire that was in the finale will be revealed as part of a Mayday revolt and Canada and allies later invade Gilead
-Nick was killed by the Commander and Serena Joy is secretly plotting against him with the Marthas and others in Mayday
-June goes into hiding again, but somehow makes to another district.
-In Canada, Emily is reunited with her family, but her wife is now with someone else and her son doesn't remember her. She ends up diagnosed with cancer due to the exposure at the colonies and she begins treatment while caring for Nicole. She tracks down Luke and tells him that June didn't escape and he figures that she is trying to rescue Hannah.
-The Marthas and Mayday plan another escape, but this time its for Janine and her baby Angela/Charlotte. Warren and his wife are killed as part of the escape.
-Lydia survived the attack, but she has a spinal cord injury due to the fall down the stairs and is paralyzed. She is sent off to some kind of nursing home where she is given awful care and ends up with bed sores and UTIs.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | July 11, 2018 2:28 PM
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No way Lydia survived that.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | July 11, 2018 3:10 PM
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We need Aunt Lydia's backstory before she dies.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | July 11, 2018 3:36 PM
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She will choke it out as she lies at the bottom of the stairs
by Anonymous | reply 217 | July 11, 2018 4:53 PM
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The ending is getting mixed reviews on line-Alan Sepenwall HATES it-but I liked it.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | July 11, 2018 8:08 PM
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It made me crazy that Rita tells her to hurry and June just seems to wander around, picking up things, and stretching out the scene with Serena as if she knew she had all the time in the world. And the poor Martha is just standing there in the shadows, thinking, what's with this bitch. We give her this opportunity and she's going to blow it. And then when the van shows up, she again just stands there as Emily is screaming at her to hurry up. I half expected the van to take off without her.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | July 11, 2018 8:15 PM
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YES, R219. That was AWFUL. I was like “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING????”
by Anonymous | reply 220 | July 11, 2018 8:23 PM
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You would think June had learned her lesson after getting that family in trouble earlier in season 2.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | July 11, 2018 8:25 PM
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Haven’t seen this episode yet but Serena does a lot of stupid shit. When she went to see her daughter, she delayed them leaving and got Nick picked up. I was thinking “get out now, bitch”. She displays craftiness, but makes lots of stupid decisions. She knows there are eyes and ears everywhere.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | July 11, 2018 8:49 PM
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Shit, not Serena. June, duh.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | July 11, 2018 8:50 PM
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Good article on what to expect in season 3
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 224 | July 11, 2018 8:52 PM
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I really had enough of the inconsistency of Serena’s malevolence. They gave her way too many moments of decency and even some tenderness. Same with the Commander. He wouldn’t ask June to make some fucking tea so soon after they smacked each other.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | July 11, 2018 8:59 PM
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Not happy with the last few episodes or the finale. Way too much contrivance and character inconsistency to make certain storylines happen, as opposed to making them seem real and organic.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | July 11, 2018 9:27 PM
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R225, you are clearly not familiar with the nuances and intermittent tendernesses of physical abuse.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | July 11, 2018 9:37 PM
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Go fuck yourself, R227. I am, actually. And this is a work of fiction, in case it hasn’t dawned on you.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | July 11, 2018 9:56 PM
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R228, I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have put it that way. Of course I do not know what you are or are not familiar with. For me and from my perspective, it rang all too true.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | July 11, 2018 10:26 PM
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The Commander's alternations of tenderness and violence towards his wife and June were believable, but I had real trouble swallowing that Serena would be so stupid as to read out loud before the Council or trust Nicole forever to June.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | July 11, 2018 10:34 PM
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In an earlier episode Fred beat Selena in front of June for their transgressions despite the fact that their actions saved all their asses from that new psycho Commander. Just weeks later, Selena brings a group of wives before the council and, apparently without consulting with or even warning Fred first, violates one of Gilead's cornerstone laws. Afterward she approaches him with some confidence that he won't punish her or be unforgiving about it.
Ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | July 11, 2018 10:51 PM
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^ I just realized I mixed up the transgressions. Fred beat Selena for bringing in the female doctor to save baby Angela's life. Which makes the contrivance of her later actions even more ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | July 11, 2018 10:56 PM
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Yvonne Strahovski has been the standout this season. It will be a crime if she doesn’t receive an Emmy Nomination. She definitely earned it.
I agree with posters above, June seems to take her sweet time more often than not. This show often lets certain scenes and activities play out too long. When she was walking with Nicole to the truck I was thinking she has no sense of urgency whatsoever!
by Anonymous | reply 233 | July 11, 2018 11:17 PM
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June has a pattern of being careless with other people's safety -- especially those who risk their own lives for her.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | July 11, 2018 11:21 PM
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R234 It’s June’s world, the rest of them are just living in it. Praise be.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | July 11, 2018 11:24 PM
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Well. I say that went pretty well. Some fleshing out of the Gilead universe, with that Council business. Some deepening of character, with pinky-booboo Serena and badass Rita. Some closure, with Rory and Nichole. Some cliffhangers, with the stabbing and that crazy look in June's eyes. And a lot of good old-fashioned suspense.
The creatives have given us a lot to look forward to, now that June has given herself a purpose (even) higher than looking after just her own daughters.
BTW, the baby's name is Nichole, with an H. Because Nicole is not strippery enough.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | July 11, 2018 11:53 PM
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Commander Waterford sure is a chump. How many times before he realizes that nick is a turncoat?
by Anonymous | reply 237 | July 12, 2018 12:36 AM
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Like Nichole on Big Brother?
by Anonymous | reply 238 | July 12, 2018 12:57 AM
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One of the problems with the show, I think, is that since they don;t allow for much voiceover you see June act out her feelings rather than express them verbally (since of course she doesn't, since women don;t much in her world). So she's always registering disgust on her face at both the Commander and Serena when she would get whipped if she really did so in front of them, and when she has to convey indecision, they have her take forever to do something that in reality she would do very quickly.
We just have to take it as dramatic license, I guess. I used to think it was Elisabeth Moss's fault and she was being too obvious, but now I see she's being directed this way.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | July 12, 2018 1:04 AM
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Just watched the finale. June's looking up after she put the hood back on was a little too end of Catching Fire but I get what she's doing.
by Anonymous | reply 241 | July 12, 2018 2:04 AM
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I love this show, but those long ass shots (e.g. Serena saying good bye to Nichole) I fast forward through. It’s too much of the same shit. Plus the whole premise of the “get-a-away” is to be faaaasssst!!!!
June is slow walking through these scenes. Like r239 said, this is the directors fault.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | July 12, 2018 2:26 AM
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The book wasn’t an action screenplay, the pervasive feel to be reflective seems appropriate. Even with a fire, likely arson, it’s mainly viewed through a window in the background.
That said, June often reacts as if others didn’t matter that much
by Anonymous | reply 243 | July 12, 2018 2:32 AM
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Aunt Lydia surived the attack according to Bruce Miller
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 244 | July 12, 2018 2:32 AM
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Aunt Lydia needs a backstory. I think she's a gender traitor who went deep into the back of the closet to survive.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | July 12, 2018 2:34 AM
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Aunt Lydia needs a backstab
by Anonymous | reply 246 | July 12, 2018 2:38 AM
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SPOILER
EPISODE 13
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So, if we’ve learned anything this season, it’s that June has no concept of what the word “hurry” means.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | July 12, 2018 3:11 AM
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r238 Big Brother Nicole spells her name with no H. But an H suits her better.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | July 12, 2018 3:19 AM
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The Truck, The Choice And The 'Handmaid's Tale' Finale
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 249 | July 12, 2018 3:30 AM
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Agree with article at r249. Terrible finale with too many character inconsistencies. This season was simply not good.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | July 12, 2018 3:45 AM
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R248, heh heh, of course you’re right. I just remembered I actually corrected somebody on another message board for spelling it Nichole and she got all huffy with me.
Jesus Christ, does Ever Carradine have an eating disorder. In that scene where the two wives were walking down a staircase her legs were like toothpicks. Gross.
by Anonymous | reply 251 | July 12, 2018 3:57 AM
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R252 I wondered the same thing. Her waist was frighteningly small.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | July 12, 2018 4:45 AM
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Ever Carradine is another bad case of nepotism.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | July 12, 2018 4:49 AM
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So what tortured machinations will occur in season 3 to reunite June with the Waterfords but not have her executed (or mutilated or shipped off to the colonies) for kidnapping a baby?
by Anonymous | reply 254 | July 12, 2018 5:56 AM
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I'm guessing she will hide out with Bradley Whitford's family and will try to plot the downfall of Gilead with the Martha's and whoever set the fire across the street.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | July 12, 2018 8:21 AM
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After June gave birth in that house how did she end up back at the Waterfords? Who caught her?
by Anonymous | reply 256 | July 12, 2018 8:26 AM
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I saw this episode the same day as Sorry to Bother You...now that film knows how to build and satisfy while urgently having you wanting more! This season should have ended at episode 10
by Anonymous | reply 257 | July 12, 2018 8:39 AM
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If I have to watch June flip her red hood up over her head while looking sullenly angry just one more time I'm gonna throw her in a swimming pool with a kettle bell tied to her ankles.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | July 12, 2018 12:02 PM
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That ending was just way too far fetched. June has more of a chance of getting Hannah out if she herself escapes to Canada first, than if she stays in Gilead as a Handmaid. So. Stupid.
And exactly r254, are we to believe she's going back to the frigging Waterfords where she will then become Serena Joy's heroine disguised as a handmaid? Now that Serena has no baby or pinky finger to speak of?
by Anonymous | reply 260 | July 12, 2018 12:35 PM
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I’m willing to bet that Emily and Moira will find true love up in Canada.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | July 12, 2018 1:10 PM
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R255, and I'm sure she'll miraculously end up at that Commander's doorstep without first running into anyone who would turn her in in a second while Gilead is in full lockdown due to a missing baby. Because, um, June pulled her hood up like she meant it!
by Anonymous | reply 262 | July 12, 2018 1:18 PM
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It does seem a bit far-fetched that June will somehow get away with giving away a baby.
by Anonymous | reply 263 | July 12, 2018 1:30 PM
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R249, well put, avclub review basically says the same thing that the series had two versions of the show, hardbitten and grim, and “powerful” and badass, and clearly and ultimately made the choice of being the later
by Anonymous | reply 264 | July 12, 2018 1:59 PM
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Why didn't Offred (I refuse to use her whore-name) just ask Serena Joy to accompany she and Nicole (I refuse to use her bastard-name) to Canada?
Surely there must be some place in the Great White North for a nine-fingered woman.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | July 12, 2018 2:14 PM
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I'm intrigued as to where they're going to go with this. Where can June go?
I doubt the Waterfords will be welcoming her back with open arms.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | July 12, 2018 2:49 PM
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I think she will be leading a resistance with the Commander who let Emily go. Bradley Whitford will have a bigger role in season 3
by Anonymous | reply 268 | July 12, 2018 2:53 PM
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I think she will dance the hootchie-coo at jezebels. It will cause a riot that will lead to Canadian storm troopers covering the whole territory in maple syrup and whithering condescension
by Anonymous | reply 269 | July 12, 2018 3:54 PM
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Well, I think Serena is completely over hubby now. He’s really a true true believer.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | July 12, 2018 4:05 PM
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Lots of emmy nominations for Handmaid's tale.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 271 | July 12, 2018 4:07 PM
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wow Yvonne Strahovski, Alexis Bledel & Ann Dowd all nominated for supporting actress
by Anonymous | reply 272 | July 12, 2018 4:11 PM
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Good-they all deserve those nominations.
by Anonymous | reply 273 | July 12, 2018 4:20 PM
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Harlots just started again to fill the void.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | July 12, 2018 4:34 PM
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R264, they could have gone with powerful and badass and still be realistic and true to the characters.
R265, technically she's 9.5-fingered.
So happy for Strahovski, Bledel & Dowd's nominations. I'd love a 3-way tie!
by Anonymous | reply 278 | July 12, 2018 7:30 PM
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The finale was pretty weak and added more WTF moments to a list of existing ones:
- Why do they use the Handmaid's real names so much? I don't even know their Gilead names anymore (except Offred). Even Aunt Lydia uses them. - Why does June constantly get to talk shit to Serena and Fred and never suffer the consequences? - Rory and Left Eye back from the Colonies is still legit terrible plotting (even if I love them)
The show writers making Serena sympathetic is so annoying. And we only feel that way because she's hot. If she were a giant Aunt Lydia-style ogress no one would be in her corner!!! They wouldn't even bother writing it. Hot people always get the perks. >:-(
Whatever I know I'll still watch next season, so
by Anonymous | reply 279 | July 12, 2018 8:58 PM
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In the book, Serena joy (don’t forget the joy) is an aging tammie Faye baker type with debilitating arthritis.
by Anonymous | reply 280 | July 12, 2018 9:00 PM
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Here’s the trailer for the third season
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 281 | July 12, 2018 10:54 PM
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I bet in season 3, the writers will try to make the viewers feel sorry for Aunt Lydia. I agree, with someone upthread she'll probably turn out to be a closet case lez and I'll aso bet she was responsible for her nephew's death.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | July 12, 2018 11:16 PM
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I saw a FB post that Serena's pregnant? I don't remember that.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | July 13, 2018 12:08 AM
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It was never confirmed that Serena couldn’t have kids because she got shot in the stomach, right?
by Anonymous | reply 284 | July 13, 2018 12:18 AM
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The actress that plays Serena, Yvonne Strahovski, is pregnant in real life. During the scene where she was reading in front of the council you could clearly see her pregnant stomach.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | July 13, 2018 12:21 AM
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A point to ponder. Since the handmaids were transferred to new posts after they gave birth all of these kids are half siblings. Different dads from the same mom. Think about it.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | July 13, 2018 3:49 AM
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Am I the only one who hasn't seen this Handmaids thing? Is it worth it? Seriously?
by Anonymous | reply 289 | July 13, 2018 3:57 AM
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I have thought about that r288. You would think they would transfer them to different districts at the very least OR keep them with the family.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | July 13, 2018 10:29 AM
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Joseph Fiennes looks like a Chelsea queen that stayed until all the meth was gone, then somebody rode him hard and put him away wet. His beard looks like a roll of black Velcro.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | July 13, 2018 10:35 AM
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[quote] It's the new OINTB.
Talk about damning with faint praise.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | July 13, 2018 12:14 PM
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I'm officially over this show. I kinda hoped this would be the final episode/season. Why is it that Americans need to see a story beat to fucking death to the point of ruining it? Don't they make enough money if they do it right?
And how many more times must we seen June escape, get caught, escape, get caught, escape, decide to stay, get in trouble, get out of trouble......then look into the camera defiantly and declare her strength and boldness? Elizabeth Moss sucked as Peggy Olson and she sucks as June.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | July 13, 2018 12:30 PM
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The writers may not like it but they need to ramp up the revolution and set an end date for the series --NOT in 8 years either. (the rumor is they wanted 10 years)
They have a major terrorist explosion and then they use it as nothing more than a device to get some of the handmaids back from the colonies - wtf?
The one thing proven by this episode is now we see why Cherry Jones, despite being a great theater actress never became a film or tv star.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | July 13, 2018 12:48 PM
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Eight years?!? Maybe season 3 should start 18 months later when the revolution has started. I need to see some fighting against Gilead.
by Anonymous | reply 296 | July 13, 2018 12:58 PM
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I thought Handmaid's Tale was one of the best shows on TV and I was able to forgive some strange plot twists this season, such as bringing back handmaids from the colonies who could probably end up having all sorts of deformed children, June getting away stuff she never would have been allowed in any realistic scenario, but the final episode was so ridiculous and I totally agree with everything in the article at r249. It was so unsatisfying and made no sense whatsoever. I'll probably start to watch season 3 but it's such a letdown considering the potential.
by Anonymous | reply 297 | July 13, 2018 1:12 PM
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It's a good show and practically the only one on air that anyone talks about. No threads like this about many other shows.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | July 14, 2018 1:03 AM
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r262 does anyone know the baby is missing besides the commander? And has Nick taken care of the commander?
by Anonymous | reply 300 | July 14, 2018 1:05 AM
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I was thinking the same thing, R296, they need to bounce a few years forward, this real time plot device is going to work against the series.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | July 14, 2018 1:13 AM
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I can see a time jump where Moira and Emily are up in Canada raising Holly-Nichole.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | July 14, 2018 6:43 PM
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I hope they don't pair Moira and Emily.
by Anonymous | reply 304 | July 14, 2018 6:51 PM
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But doesn’t it seem obvious that they will?
by Anonymous | reply 305 | July 14, 2018 7:44 PM
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Emily already has a wife and family.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | July 14, 2018 7:55 PM
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There are LESBIANS on this show???
by Anonymous | reply 307 | July 14, 2018 8:25 PM
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Emily's going to search for her wife and son when she hits Canada.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | July 14, 2018 9:27 PM
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Emily pairing with Moira would be too contrived (not that I would put it pat the show at the point). Emily is going to be laser-focused on finding her wife and son.
BUT Emily and Moira having a brief affair, fueled by their shared PTSD after life in Gilead and dedication to June’s baby could be interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | July 14, 2018 9:43 PM
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Where The Bears Are looks a shitload cheaper than this.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | July 14, 2018 10:07 PM
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[quote]Emily already has a wife and family.
I forget the timeline but hasn't it been like 5 years they've been separated? Her wife might have moved on, she doesn't even know that Emily is alive.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | July 14, 2018 10:36 PM
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[quote]That ending was just way too far fetched. June has more of a chance of getting Hannah out if she herself escapes to Canada first, than if she stays in Gilead as a Handmaid. So. Stupid.
How? She isn't going to rescue Hannah from an apartment in Toronto, there is nothing she can do from there. The only way to do that is staying present in Gilead.
by Anonymous | reply 312 | July 14, 2018 10:40 PM
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That’s what I was thinking today. Even if there was a coup against Gilead, there is no guarantee Hannah makes it out alive.
by Anonymous | reply 313 | July 14, 2018 10:42 PM
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r306 Emily's wife has run off with Selina Meyer's daughter.
Because apparently there aren't enough actors to play all the lesbian roles on TV.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | July 14, 2018 10:46 PM
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[quote]I forget the timeline but hasn't it been like 5 years they've been separated? Her wife might have moved on, she doesn't even know that Emily is alive.
I think it's been that long. In the season finale, Emily said that her son would be turning 7 the following week. In the flashbacks from earlier in the season, the son looked like a toddler. I agree, the wife might have moved on if she thought Emily was executed for being gay.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | July 14, 2018 10:47 PM
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Based on how Emily was interrogated when she and her wife tried to leave, Emily's wife could figure out after the fact that she was likely used as a handmaid. That doesn't mean she hasn't found someone else of course.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | July 14, 2018 11:22 PM
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It will be tough to keep up the storytelling on this show. Personally, I think they should end it after Season 3. Let this be the season that Offred/June finally gets free because a revolution from within Gillead is taking place. It would allow Offred/June to interact with Serena, who I could see turning on Gillead since she knows deep down the way things are in Gillead are just plain wrong. Serena's sacrifice of giving up Nicole showed she knows Gillead is a house of horrors, so much so she gave up the one thing she wanted--the only thing that made her agree to be a part of it all. It's all fallen down in her eyes. She and June/Offred would make a formidable pair.
But I'm not going to watch season after season of Offred/June getting her almost-freedom. That will grow tedious.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
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Yeah after having Serena voluntarily give up the one thing the character has always wanted, the writers can't backtrack there. Serena is now established as anti-Gilead, part of the resistance.
by Anonymous | reply 318 | July 25, 2018 5:18 PM
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Clea Duvall is in season 3. She is Emily’s wife and made a brief appearance in season 2. There will be no Emily/Moira hook-up. Frankly I think Moira needs to be sent to the colonies since Samira Wiley cannot week to have one honest moment onscreen.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | July 27, 2018 2:22 AM
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Is everybody a lesbian on the show?
by Anonymous | reply 321 | July 27, 2018 2:23 AM
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No revolution for Gilead! Invasion!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 322 | July 27, 2018 2:32 AM
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R319, how the fuck do you know Emily and Moira won’t be put together? Are you one of the writers? If you’re not then STFU. The last we saw Emily she was on her way to Canada. Moira is in Little America in Canada. At the very least they will cross paths. Use your common sense with narrative logic before presenting an opinion as a fact.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | August 2, 2018 1:36 PM
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[QUOTE] Joseph Fiennes looks like a Hells Kitchen queen that stayed until all the meth was gone, then somebody rode him hard and put him away wet. His beard looks like a roll of black Velcro.
Fixed that
by Anonymous | reply 324 | August 2, 2018 4:28 PM
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[quote]Where The Bears Are looks a shitload cheaper than this.
LOL!!!!!! I spit out my coffee. Yes, Dorothy, the gay men silly romcom is a lot cheaper than this Hulu series.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | August 2, 2018 5:09 PM
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I think there will be the usual storyline of Emily trying to live with her son and wife and problems arise because the wife has a girlfriend or someone and also Emily is caring for a baby.
Maybe, Emily will track down Luke and then will meet Moira who is living with him. Luke will not see the baby as he thinks the baby is product of rape. Moira will offer to help Emily take care of the baby.
by Anonymous | reply 326 | August 3, 2018 3:53 PM
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r326 That will turn A Handmaid's Tale into full-on soap. And it just might happen too.
by Anonymous | reply 327 | August 3, 2018 5:28 PM
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[quote]I really had enough of the inconsistency of Serena’s malevolence.
This. The actress is amazing, but the writing is all over the place. And I get that she is disillusioned, but she would never give up that baby. She is far too selfish.
The other thing that bugs me is that the actor who plays Nick is too young/boysish. He's a good actor, but I don't find him believable in that part.
by Anonymous | reply 328 | August 4, 2018 4:34 PM
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She has me feeling sorry for Serena. She’s very good, the way the director makes her emphasise her eyes, I suppose.
by Anonymous | reply 329 | August 4, 2018 5:33 PM
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[quote]The other thing that bugs me is that the actor who plays Nick is too young/boysish.
But the character should be young, he was just a lost youth who got caught up in this movement he didn't really understand.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | August 4, 2018 5:39 PM
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Nick needs to be hot. That guy is not hot.
by Anonymous | reply 331 | August 4, 2018 7:19 PM
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R331 Max is fine. Too off the charts, and it would be an unusual pairing with the average-looking Moss.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | August 4, 2018 8:36 PM
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Why do all the homes in Gilead have black ceilings?? Also why is sex forbidden between husbands and wives? The Bible says the marriage bed is sacred, plus you'd think they would encourage as much trying to conceive as possible.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | August 7, 2018 5:56 PM
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R334 There is a debate on if sex between husbands and wives who get handmaids is forbidden in Gilead. Some say yes because the wives are deemed infertile, so no chance for procreation. They also look to Fred and how he has no interest in Serena Joy except that one night they have sex after the Mexican delegation dinner went well, and he blamed Serena for being a temptress after the fact more than once.
I believe sex isn’t banned for even the barren couples because it would fly in the face of the biblical story the Sons of Jacob religion clings to. The wife that had a handmaid, Rachel eventually had a son, and they thought it was a miracle from God. Gilead would think the same. Handmaids to give commanders children, but keep up the sex with wives just in case.
There is also no way these men would ban sex with barren wives also because other parts of the bible make it clear sex beyond procreation is encouraged. Zero chance these men would ignore that to have official government policy force them to only bed a handmaid when she’s fertile.
by Anonymous | reply 335 | August 8, 2018 7:45 AM
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Just caught up. Slow AF in so many places that I was glad I was able to fast forward through large chunks of it.
Clearly the writers didn't have enough plot for 13 episodes.
And Max M is fine as Nick who is supposed to be a bit younger than June (Nick is likely mid-20s, June mid-30s.)
So Serena hands baby to June-- she is going to be furious that June gave the baby to Emily a murdering lesbian and isn't taking care of her herself.
Also-- how the fuck is Nicole/Holly going to survive without breast milk? It's not like June gave Emily a few bottles or like Emily has formula in her bag. And it seems like they're not going to wind up in Canada in a few hours. So that made zero sense.
Next season I may just read the recaps.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | August 20, 2018 3:19 AM
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I have a question. When Offred was bleeding and Nick found her in the bushes, I assumed she jumped from the 3rd Floor of the house? The scene before she was in her bedroom. Anyone have an opinion about this scene?
by Anonymous | reply 337 | August 21, 2018 4:34 PM
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I think Offred was sort of blindly seeking help while semi-delirious with pain and fear, R337, and maybe she was trying to make her way over to Nick's room, maybe she was just looking for anyone. I didn't think she jumped. It is a weirdly staged scene, for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | August 22, 2018 6:48 AM
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R337 and R338, I think the scene is open to interpretation. R338 could well be right. On the other hand, I think she was full of despair, didn't want her baby to have to grow up in that world, and so she jumped.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | August 31, 2018 4:11 PM
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Season 3 predictions:
Aunt Lydia is in a wheelchair, but still ruling the roost at The Center. She is angrier than ever.
June becomes an underground resistance fighter, working with that wacky economist with the crazy wife. She will save Hannah but die, herself, in the finale.
Serena craftily works for change from the inside, assisted by that journalist she had a drink with. Love will bloom.
The Commander will perv out on Eden’s younger sister, sent to live with them for some reason.
I don’t know about Nick.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | December 24, 2018 11:49 AM
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I just binged the 2 seasons, and i agree with the criticisms you all have posted, but i still will watch S3. The actress playing Serena Joy is wonderful, i'm sure Elizabeth Moss must hate her for stealing her show. Oh, and i just read the Emmy noms list: the actress who played Luke's first wife (who had like 4 minutes of screen time and was totally forgettable in it) got a nom!! WTF.
by Anonymous | reply 342 | February 2, 2019 6:20 PM
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Isn't Elizabeth Moss too old for that part? The other Handmaid's all look a lot younger than her
by Anonymous | reply 343 | February 18, 2019 4:08 AM
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There is no way Serena would give up that baby to Offred, that to me was not believable.
by Anonymous | reply 344 | February 18, 2019 4:11 AM
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To me Moss looks a bit older than her age. But the handmaids are supposed to be all ages from teens to forties as long as they're fertile. In the book, her character was 30-something also, so it's about right. Serena is a joy to watch, what a spiteful bitch, but also complex. Credit goes to the actress. Same for Aunt Lydia.
by Anonymous | reply 345 | February 18, 2019 4:18 AM
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I feel like I did about Elizabeth Moss on Mad Men, that a different actress who is likable would be better in the part.
by Anonymous | reply 346 | February 18, 2019 5:47 AM
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The new season starts June 5.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | June 4, 2019 5:19 AM
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Yeah. I think the first 3 new episodes drop tonight, midnight EDT.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | June 5, 2019 1:27 AM
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season 3 so far is same old same old... a snoozefest
by Anonymous | reply 349 | June 6, 2019 6:49 PM
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