Is my masseur trying to turn me on?

It's his job, you creep. Go on Grindr if you want to play with someone's dick and stop trying to turn every encounter in life into a sex game.

op=John Travolta

Disgusting. That’s why so many people end up in jail and branded as sex criminals. Trying to turn everything and everyone into a sex object. Get some morals, OP.

Gross. He’s just trying to do his job. Do you want some creep grabbing at you while you’re at work? Get a life.

r4, He let's OP's friend do it though.

[quote]I’m in my 30s and look younger

of course you do, gramps.

Wow, great responses so far, you assholes. Did you miss the part where I very clearly detailed how my friend has had sexual massages from him — with the masseur himself getting an erection and facilitating a groping for my friend — for the past couple years?

[quote]of course you do, gramps.

Can’t believe I’m even responding to such a typically incredulous reaction to something so ordinary, but... why exactly is that hard to believe? Do you live in New York? Do you really think there are gay guys here in their 30s who don’t look younger than they are? Do you want to meet face to face so you can see I’m not lying?

Not everyone who shares something on the internet is a fucking schlub.

Does he know you are friends with his other client?

[quote][R4], He let's OP's friend do it though.

There is no "friend".

OP dry humps fire hydrants because, like a dog or a Muslim, he can't control his "sexual emergencies".

Go for it, OP. Grab his dick. He’ll either love it or bash your skull in before you’re arrested for assault. Either way, you’ll have a cool story to tell your Facebook friends.

This story needs more Armenian doormen.

No one in their 30s would use such purple prose

Does he slap you with that big bundle of branches and leaves?

I had a masseur who was very young and very cute and was constantly trying to turn me on and then got really angry and upset when I did. This went on for many years until he refused to see me any more.

I then found out he was giving S&M seminars.

If you don't like touching and rubbing people all over their body don't become a masseur.

[quote]Does he slap you with that big bundle of branches and leaves?

No, it’s not that kind of spa, it’s just a regular sports/Thai/etc massage type of place. Expensive, too.

[quote]No one in their 30s would use such purple prose

How old do you suppose I am then?

And do you want to meet up, face to face, so you can see for yourself, asshole? I’m in New York.

OP: I guess your masseur is more into your friend than into you. I suppose you'll just have to lie there with your hard cock being unattended while your masseur presses down on your prostate as your unrequited dreams of sucking his his huge intact cock with its supple sliding foreskin fucking your willing mouth accepting his volcanic eruption of sweet Russian jizz will never be.

[quote]Go for it, OP. Grab his dick. He’ll either love it or bash your skull in before you’re arrested for assault. Either way, you’ll have a cool story to tell your Facebook friends.

Why would bash my skull in, when he lets my friend do it?

Hopefully at some point someone who’s not an idiot and has been in this situation before will chime in and give some advice. Getting really tired of the asshole responses.

I thought it was your asshole that was responding, OP.

R19, my friend was getting dozens massages from this guy for two years before they turned overtly sexual. I’ve been to him three times now in less than a year. I think there’s a trust that has to develop.

But what do I know, I’m just making it all up, supposedly.

Bump it, Grind it

So because this masseur has the hots for your friend, you think you should get to ride his pole too?

Subtly talk about how rich you are, now that your parents are dead.

Did you say Russian? We ain't turning any of that shit down!

For those of you who don't believe Miss OP, please plan to meet her tomorrow at 5:45 pm at the corner of 1st and 1st. She'll be the radiant stud licking her freshly plucked eyebrows.

[quote]So because this masseur has the hots for your friend,

There is no "friend".

Just pretend to fall asleep during these sessions. Ball in his court. That's how you do it.

Wrong but I did WW R11. So Zsa Zsa esque

[quote]How old do you suppose I am then?

68.

[quote]R7 Wow, great responses so far, you assholes. Did you miss the part where I very clearly detailed how my friend has had sexual massages from him — with the masseur himself getting an erection and facilitating a groping for my friend — for the past couple years?

You don't know this to be a fact.

R11 just finished off my weekend, I'll have you know. Sun, sail and sunburn but I'll fall asleep cackling over this comment.

[quote]R20 Why would bash my skull in, when he lets my friend do it?

Gosh....and no sense of entitlement AT ALL!

Like a dog or a Muslim. I can't even get up to brush my teeth on this God forbidden boat..😂

OP sounds entitled and envious.

[quote]Do you live in New York? Do you really think there are gay guys here in their 30s who don’t look younger than they are? Do you want to meet face to face so you can see I’m not lying?

A: no. sure, why not? and no.

you forget this is Datalounge, where creative cynicism is a way of life.

now carry on about this service worker you’re planning on sexually assaulting while he’s on the clock.

[quote]Why would bash my skull in, when he lets my friend do it?

Because your friend is probably hot. It's different when ugly people do it.

Especially ugly people who pretend to be in their 30s on internet forums. This is -100/100 because it's not plausible and the OP is trying to rile people up too hard.

Certainly you do not need to be ugly OP; you just may not be his type. Perhaps your friend is a one off experience for Russkie, or he's selective. You did say it is billed as NOT Erotic as well, so that confuses me a bit. From my straight mates that indulge in the happy endings, not much is ever said: if they roll over and erect, and the gal is willing, she just either begins, or asks if they would like something extra. They never touch these gals though. I know two really well who have been getting them. I think you ought to keep him in your mind as wank fodder.

I fondly remember a thread not too long ago about Ashton Kutcher being seen stumbling out of a rub-and-tug spa, to which one of our posters started their comment off with, "He came all over her little Thai thumb."

Someone has to take the initiative. On the day you do better bring extra cash.

"By the way, I’m in my 30s and look younger than I am, I’m also fit and good looking and have a big 7.5” dick myself."

Pics or it's just more internet bullshit.

Yeah, show us your Instagram account, OP. We know you can't be a New York queen without one.

My small town has one male RMT, a strapping blond with a furry chest. I went to him for a tense back and he did a professional job and when my frenemy found out, I lied and said I got a happy ending. I hate my frenemy. I can't wait to hear what happens when he books the RMT for an appointment.

NYC is full of erotic massages that have happy endings. Go to one of them, whore. It's obvious to everyone, but OP, that he is an insecure whore who is trying to prove how hot he is that he will finally be able to seduce the straight Russian guy. oh, how hot. You must be an Instagram model.

Vile

If your masseur could read your mind, he'd book you for another appointment.

These comments went off the deep end, Op. You’ll probably have to go several more times like your friend did.

Is it a Russian establishment?

How do you find a legit male massage therapist in Manhattan, OP? The spas in Manhattan that I've called always want me to use a female therapist. I'm an athletic guy and I want a sports massage from a guy who can put some muscle into it. Not interested in a hand job.

OP How the hell do you know your 'friend' was telling the truth?

When he's back there, roll up on your hands and knees, arching your back and moaning.

If he freezes and seems startled, just say you had to stretch.

Mary he's a whore !!! You just don't know his price yet. Up your tipping game.

Your friend said he was a client for TWO YEARS, going dozens of times annually, before the masseur's mammoth snake was released. Yet you WALTZ IN THERE in your ratty towel, present hole, and expect the DELUXE TREATMENT after just a few appointments???

The sheer [italic]chutzpah!

OP pays a visit to the friend who referred him

Go for it, OP. What's the worst that could happen?

OP, dear, what are you doing that is so physically demanding that you need to go to massage places? Pray tell.

He's a Russian masseur who doesn't give a hand job?

Yeah right.

Pigs

Go prelubed. Raise your hole when he gets near it so a finger (or three, depending how many times you've been around the block) accidentally slips in. You're welcome! And keep us updated!

Ok, OP, I'm going to tell you my experience.

I've been going to a male LMT for almost 3 years. I have friends, female, who have been going to him for years, who to,d me he was straight. I've met his girlfriend.

I don't find him attractive, but he's not repulsive. Anyway, I would sometimes get an erection when he was rubbing around on my thighs. He didn't seem to be bothered, and it would eventually go back down. He always kept me covered.

In the last few months though, he really started working the area around my crotch. Touching pretty much everything but my penis. Then he started "bumping" it with his arm and elbow. It felt great, but I was still a little weirded out...I actually do go for a massage, not a hand job.

So--the last time I went, he really went to town in that area..I couldn't help it, my cock overruled my brain. I let the sheet fall off, exposing myself...and he went for it. I just said something like, "is this cool?" And he said YES, just enjoy. He gave me the best hand job of my life. I never touched him. He handed me a towel and I wiped up, and then he finished the massage like normal. After, I paid him the usual amount and we didn't talk about the "special" service.

I haven't been back yet. While it did feel good, and I guess I knew we were heading that way, maybe, I feel a little weird. I love his massages, and it took me a while to build trust with someone to see my body (I'm not gross, but I have issues), but I don't know if I want a sexual relationship, which this has become. Can I tell him I want massage only?

When I'm on my stomach, getting a massage, I find using my hands to spread my ass cheeks sends an unmistakable message.

Thank you, R60. I think I’m done with Datalounge. So many people here are just pointlessly bitchy and have the hardest time believing even the most mundane shit because *their* lives are so crushingly dull.

No, I’m not a “NY queen” or an Instagram model/whore, I’m not 68, and I’m not less attractive than my friend, who I do know for a fact is not lying about his experience. I’m also not stupid enough to share my social media profiles here.

Thank you to the 2 or 3 of you who responded to me sincerely (or at least made a funny, like R62, without also aggressively trying to prove how above-it-all and not-credulous you are).

[quote]OP, dear, what are you doing that is so physically demanding that you need to go to massage places? Pray tell.

My job is physical, not cushy, and I’m on my feet constantly. I used to go to Chinatown for “serious” massages from stern Chinese ladies who charged $25/30min, but can’t stand the trek down there anymore. My massage over the weekend was the first of any kind I’d had in several months. It was heaven.

[quote]He's a Russian masseur who doesn't give a hand job?

I mean, he probably does! That’s what I’m hoping, and I’m trying to figure out how to make it happen. I was thinking there are probably guys who read DL who’ve been in this situation before who could offer advice. (Boy, was I wrong.)

My friend never got one, though. The guy would only let him feel him up, but no attention was ever paid to my friend’s dick, as he was on his stomach the whole time.

R64 where are you going?? I get massages from cute gymbod young Chinese guys in Chinatown. Invariably with a happy ending. Surely not as hung as Russians but hope to suck some of them off one of these days.

R66, I can’t remember the name of it, but it was on Mott street about 4 blocks off Canal (I can’t remember which direction). I liked it when I would get a guy to do the massage, but it wasn’t exactly erotically thrilling, and a hand job was never offered at that parlor.

I did however get a hand job from an Asian “twink” elsewhere, and it was not exactly erotically thrilling either.

This Russian guy, however, is off the charts.

So few masseurs are hot.

R67 Avoid mulberry Mott area. Go much further east.

Thanks, R69. I’m the OP and R67. I should have made it more clear that I’m not looking for a massage from an Chinese or SE Asian guy. I want my Russian masseur, god damn it! Ha.

But I do enjoy the seriousness and toughness of older Chinese masseuses. None of them ever offered a happy ending, thank god.

Ugh typos

This is exactly the situation where a well-timed "YUM!" might make all the difference!

[quote] By the way, I’m in my 30s and look younger than I am,

Of course you do!

[quote]So few masseurs are hot.

That’s true, and actually most people wouldn’t think this Russian masseur I’m talking about it necessarily handsome. You can tell he was good looking when he was much younger. Now that he’s at least 50, his excellent physique and his huge cock are his best assets.

If someone is looking for a sexy massage from a typical “hot” guy, there are websites for that... But that’s not what I’m looking for.

Ever since I was a teenager, I’ve loved being in situations that suddenly turn erotic—I guess it’s a typical trope in porn, so it’s either a common occurrence or it’s a common fantasy. I used to get boners when the hot, bearded optometrist would get extremely close to me with his pen light, examining my eyeballs.

So that’s why I prefer this situation over, say, an obvious happy ending type of massage parlor, or fucking GRINDR as one early responder kindly suggested.

R73, I do. I know, it’s SO UNLIKELY that anyone in the world, ESPECIALLY an anonymous person on Datalounge, might look younger than they are, but it’s true. Everyone on my dad’s side of my family looks significantly younger than they are, and live well into their 90s. It happens.

And I’m younger than my friend who has had the many erotic experiences with this masseur. My friend looks older than he actually is, and he’s ten years older than me. I mentioned this because I knew I would get responses along the lines of “he doesn’t want your chubby, liver-spotted 68-year-old paws all over his cock, OP, you monster!” I’m 39.

You just can’t win here on Datalounge, no matter what. It’s a wonder anyone ever bothers to post anything at all.

[quote] Thanks, [R69]. I’m the OP and [R67]. I should have made it more clear that I’m not looking for a massage from an Chinese or SE Asian guy.

Nor am I trying to distract you from colluding with your Russian! It seems all the rage these days!

I just thought to point out what you're basing your impression of Chinese masseurs on. Lest readers here with less focused missions are led astray.

Understood, R76, and thank you for your contribution!

Go for it, he's a masseur, it's not little groping any other professionals but start subtly and leave a descent tip.

Thank you, R78. I don’t know why other posters have suggested it’s sexual assault when I know full well his history with my friend (who I know is not lying).

Just hoping other people here would have experienced this themselves and could share their stories and offer advice, but wow, apparently I’m *really* on my own here. Or Datalounge doesn’t have the reach its users think it does.

This discussion is stupid. Find out when you hire him if a "happy ending" is part of the massage. Find out the boundaries first. No harm asking before making an appointment.

A massage therapist I go to (he actually is sorta cute) never exactly comes on to me but spends an EXTRAORDINARILY long time massaging my inner thighs. Longer than any other body part. Always turns me on but nothing goes further than that.

Im a massage therapist, ok looking. I give a real massage. 9 out of 10 sessions the client gets handsy.I respond accordingly.It doesnt get into fucking or anything, but most of them want it.It seems the Russian is tempting you, but wont makethe first move. I dont. Whats the big deal? men are men, and most like to cum. In some cultures, and from what I know of European massages, it automatically happens. Americans make such a big deal about this. If you just want a straight massage make it known at the outset. No drama

OP seems to push he is 39. Well in gay life that is old. Maybe that's it, but the Russian is older, maybe isn't into chicken.

OP:

Direct approach - ask about happy ending. You will find out what’s up immediately.

Indirect approach - lay there, pretend to be asleep and see how far HE take it...

Reaching for his dick is a risky move - do not do it.

R82 9 out of 10? Really? I need massage for my back and legs for regular basis and been to a good looking young guy. Before him to several other hot ones. But never tried anything. Professional massage therapist makes me feel like I have a full body orgasm, I get hard when I lay front down. Yet I have never tried to touch any of them, including the one I’m seeing now. It seems unsuitable.

Love you R54! Ok Op, any masseur might let himself get an erection and even encourage a groping, all for a bigger tip. But that isn't your friend having sex with your Russian-delight masseur. The guy rubs men. There is no "trust" to be built up by you. He isn't into you. Quick story: on a Cunard trip to England I booked a massage. It'd asked for a male, it took some doing. I'm 25 in October. He was 27, was very, very hot. Not to affect your prose, but I got excited, let him know it, we had a happy ending. He said it was nice 'to work on you" and to "please book again." We talked briefly how that wasn't supposed to happen and while gay it rarely did for him. i told a buddy on board. He managed to get the same guy, made a move, was quietly rebuffed. He even went back a second time! Rebuffed again. Funny thing was, that night I ran into the masseur on deck, we talked, I took him to my cabin. He said we could walk together but for me to go in alone and he'd come and knock to assure no one on crew saw him. We did it again last night out. He said men, women too, sometimes will make sexual moves, he understands but isn't interested and doesn't want to lose the job. For whatever reasons, he was into me and not into my buddy on ship. Looks matter. I have a good headsheet, am always told I'm even better in person. My roommate has an even better headsheet but in person doesn't really look like it. When up for the same roles, he doesn't book, I do. Yeah, looks matter. But other than Mr. Cunard none of it ever got me a free massage, just sex.

R61 Whyever would you not tip extra if this truly was the best hand crank you've yet to receive in life? I bet he will NOT offer you the "release" again!

Sorry, ^ Meant for R61

Is it weird that my masseur makes me wear a butt plug?

Chances are the Russian masseur is straight. He lets your friend just touch his dick and do nothing else? He's straight

OP why are you so defensive? This is Datalonge after all, what did you expect? Why don’t you ask your friend for advice, instead of strangers on DL?

R90 sounds right to me.

OP, the answer is no. You're just horny.

R90, even better!

Seducing a straight guy is a Datalounge Ultimate Goal.

OP, does he look like this?

I feel like I know the Russian Masseur OP is talking about. Interesting if it's the same guy.

If it is the same guy... he tried to rub his cock on me and jerked me off the first session. OP, it might just be that he's not into you. If he were, he would have made it obvious already.

Also:

[quote]So many people here are just pointlessly bitchy

You must be trolling.

Do you know where you are? Cause... Datalounge... Pointless Bitchery... (not that it's in the description or anything).

0/10

Pounce a little more.

But don’t get upset if it backfires.

r75 OP, get a hold of yourself! What would your masseur think if he saw this sort of conduct?!

I try to only hire masseur or massaging escort ads that look as illegit as possible.

They’re usually forward enough that they start rubbing your butt cheeks, press their hard dicks against your body or just grab your cock when you’re hard.

But a lot of them are straight and legit and not up for that, even when they know they’re trading on their looks. They’re just cock teases and they’ll get upset/ don’t want any trouble with the law / just aren’t that into you.

It’s possible, OP, that your masseur is into your friend but not you for what he sees as extra or pro bono fun.

I even met a handsomish, GAY masseur WHO PREVIOUSLY FUCKED ME in a threesome with his boyfriend who became appalled and sent me home when I paid him for a massage and then hit on him for more sex during the session.

We were the same age, about 36, the same, race and bodybuilder physique and he had no problem doing me with his much uglier, scrawny nerd boyfriend the month before.

He could have had a regular, paying client but he was abhorred for some reason.

And this guy was also a jerkoff/ dildo camwhore on Cam4!!

Who knows what his deal was. We seemed to hit it off well once.

Masseurs take their profession way to seriously

OP, the expensive, legit spas usually have the legit masseurs. BAD IDEA.

Go to classified ads on gay escort or other, gay websites.

No, OP, the masseur is NOT trying to turn you on. Get over yourself

R40 don’t use straight people, women and their cultures as a guide or indicator of men having sex with men. There are different dynamics involved with different assurances and /or slavedrivers built in.

But in general, neither straight nor gay men expect sex from high-end, straight resorts and spas — even when many masseures are hired for good looks. He’s probably a cock tease for mostly straight women and the gals prefer him not to fuck or pressure them.

Straight guys go to cheap, shady, Chinese or Russian-owned spas that look illegit and don’t pamper every frill a frau could desire.

Folks may be right that some trust has to develop. If he's unsure, he won't do anything after only a couple of sessions.

Would you prefer being uncovered during the massage perhaps?

The time of day might make a difference. When does your friend go? Also, longer (80 or 90 minute) sessions might allow for more relaxation and flirtation.

Another thing that might make a difference is if other people (coworkers, a manager, etc.) are in the spa when you're there with him. He's probably not willing to lose his job because you moan and someone hears it. A different day/time maybe?

BTW gay-for-pay guys don’t give a shit about your looks. It’s all a chore to them and he just might not be desperate or game enough that day.

R104 I do not understand your post! Sorry... I see the M&M , Rub & Tug, or happy ending as a service, not a sexual relationship. This service is provided by an industry. This industry has the same standards for male and female therapists. It is completely logical to extrapolate one ought to go where erotic, not real therapeutic high end massage is offered, regardless of orientation. When it is questionable, as some trained and licensed massage therapists will oblige, it is still preferable for them to let you know as the patron. This is for two reasons: Entrapment, and respecting their boundaries AS a professional and respecting possibly jeopardizing their livelihood. If it is not clear, and they have credentials or bona fides, this is especially true. Both my friends who solicit this service are attractive, but have been surprised with it being offered at legitimate establishments. Both have told me several automatically say no when directly asked, as they fear you may be undercover. There have been crackdowns on these places in my city too. Obviously other gay men agreee with me, that if the OP is erect, and nothing was done for him or his friend, it's not going to happen for whatever reason.

Absolutlely there IS harm in asking before the appointment, r80!

You don’t ever ask for explicit sexual favors from anyone you’re paying — because they AND THE CLIENTS are often targeted by undercover cops!

You call it something else and one or the both of you just put yourselves “out there” silently and not aggressively.

You don’t delineate this stuff for the wire recording to be played at your day in court!!!

OP is a piece of work. 'Indulge my fantasies or I will scream and hold my breath FOREVER. I want my Ruskie Masseur'....He has zero interest Shirley

When I get a massage, the LAST thing I want to be is jerked off. I love the relaxed feeling after a massage and don't want it ruined by a jerk off.

R109 Cheers mate, I thought everyone knew this. It's not Male or female, Gay or Straight. Same reason escorts are merely paid for their time.

R100/R101 seem just as selfish, delusional, and entitled, and disrespectful as the OP in my mind. This is probably part of the reason R100 did not get a REPEAT performance. These blokes and birds make a lot of money providing BOTH types of service, and surely they can pick and choose, especially if they feel degraded or disrespected. R101 just sounds like a cunt who thinks they "owe" it to him because he feels they're beneath him. I wonder how he would like it if every client or business contact of his felt he ought to toss them off? Respect your masseuse and your sex workers please, they're people too.

Sensual (not sexual) massages have increased in popularity.

You're most welcome OP and don't give up. Spontaneous things happen, well, spontaneously. Even if he doesn't do you like he did your friend, it's not necessarily your fault - like you are lacking in personal hygiene down there. In which case you know what to do!

But maybe he just is not attracted to you. Or you're just not his type like your friend is. And the Russian is yours. Or your friend is sexy, good looking and has a nice big cock unlike you. There's nothing you can do about any of those things.

But perhaps he might be thinking that you're too young for him since you look so much younger and he thinks he might get busted. Drop a hint that you're older in your small talk (hopefully you're learning Russian by now!) Grow a beard? Stop shaving your pubes. Wish I could help you more. Good luck!

[quote]at the corner of 1st and 1st.

Isn’t that the nexus of the universe?

[quote]I don’t know why other posters have suggested it’s sexual assault when I know full well his history with my friend (who I know is not lying).

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? That’s like saying my friend fucks his wife, so I guess I can grab a handful of titty too, right? If you touch someone sexually without consent it’s sexual assault, regardless of their potential past sexual history or who they did anything with in the past.

I was going to offer advice, but I’m now realizing OP is merely trolling.

R117 If not trolling he is an arrogant entitled dick fritter

"By the way, I’m in my 30s and look younger than I am,"

I just heard on NPR this morning on the drive to work that fully 80% of people lack any sense of self-awareness.

And the other 20% are self-centered, all-about-me, overly self-aware Insta whores. Gotta love how the universe balances itself!

Beyond the post here OP, no, he is not. Get over it.

This entire thread deserves a big Mary! Such wailing and gnashing of teeth from all sides.

Why are you asking Datalounge for tips on how to get his cock?

ASK YOUR FRIEND - after all, he’s successfully done it.

Find out what he did and replicate it.

Heya, Ruskie, can I getta full release?

The friend did it by being hot and the Ruskie's type, which OP is clearly not.

OP, I take it you are familiar with Betteridge’s Law of Headlines?

Such prudes on this thread. I’ve done this several times. Sometimes, I get lucky, sometimes not. Act all relaxed and groggy, and “accidentally” let your hand graze his cock. If he backs away quickly, it’s a no-and don’t even acknowledge that you realize you just touched his cock. If he says anything, act like you are oblivious and apologize. If he sticks around your hand long enough, move your hand a little. Again, if he backs up, do the same as above. If he doesn’t, move a little more. Repeat this process until he backs up or until you’re sucking his cock.

Good luck!

Teabagging is STRICTLY forbidden at the Russian banya, Mary!

I too believe that I know of this masseur OP is talking about. I've gone to him several times and he loves to put his crotch right in my face when I'm lying on my stomach. I can usually see the bulge and he kind of chuckles when I say "god that's nice".. I don't know if he thinks I'm talking about the massage move he makes right before I say it,or the fact that I can see his bulge wanting to burst out. He'll rub his bulge on my hand once in awhile too. Very nice guy and I don't want to get him in any kind of trouble. I'm also not into straight guys.

I'm thinking OP is probably not his type. I think he's into more masculine men who aren't all trimmed and plucked and who don't have an over inflated ego.

[quote]I've gone to him several times and he loves to put his crotch right in my face when I'm lying on my stomach. I can usually see the bulge and he kind of chuckles when I say "god that's nice"..

So, let me see if I get this...you’re on your stomach, your face in the little pillow with the whole, and not only can you see his bulge, but he puts it right in your face? Hmm, interesting contortions there.

[quote] Very nice guy and I don't want to get him in any kind of trouble. I'm also not into straight guys.

This whole post deserves this:

^pillow with the hole*

Oh, dear myself!

I've had several boyfriends I've thought exactly the same

Wouldn't men who make money massaging men kinda' be a tease if they thought the client was gay and into him?

Hey, do we know if the Russian Masseuse is a LEGAL Immigrant or an ILLEGAL Immigrant!

Someone call those ICE thugs!

He's Russian, OP? You know, they have these little pancakes, that they eat with cream and fish. Can you ask him to send me some? TIA, buddy!

Several years ago I went to the old Wellness Spa in Chelsea to relax after being downsized. The Asian masseuse asked me if I ever went to Fire Island, do I have a car, etc. Finally I said I am unemployed.

He stopped talking and the massage became very generic.

You have to be kind of chatty at the beginning to set a non-threatening tone, but speak very softly and confidentially. If you let out little groans and grunts to let the M know you're enjoying it, the vibe becomes erotic.

I have very good luck in this department because I'm very open and people feel like they can be themselves around me.

Oh, and it helps to go to the shops with neon rainbows in the window.

Some creepers here

R138 Put a bun in it. You lascivious types who read all these posts and then say people are creeps are truly fucked up.

No masseur accidentally grazes your cock and balls. I've had plenty of massages by gay and straight and it never ever happens unless it is a sensual massage spoken or unspoken. If it happens say something like 'that felt nice' and see where he or she takes it from there. If they say it was an accident(sure it was. I had a masseur who slapped my bare butt and said this!) let it go. Remember they can read your body very well if they have any experience.

This guy sounds like a tease but is really not that into you. Still you never know.

[quote]The Asian masseuse asked me…He stopped talking and the massage became very generic…

Oh, dear.

[quote]No masseur accidentally grazes your cock and balls.

And, there’s no way their cock could come anywhere near your hand’s reach accidentally, either. I have had legit massages and no part of their body gets near your hands if they’re legitimate.

Make sure you lift caftan and present hole

Re: R141, all of this does happen in legit massages, accidentally and innocently. I've received tons of massages. Even in the most professional ones, there have been accidental crotch bumps by males on my arm or leg and inadvertent breast contact by female therapists when they've leaned in to work down my back. It does happen. I don't find it offensive or reason to pitch a fit. To your point, though, none have literally placed those body parts in my hands.

One other thing to keep in mind....Sometimes what you think may be a crotch bump could be the person's hip, hand, or a lotion bottle in a holster.

I defer to you, R143.

Sorry, OP. My fault.

Sorry, John Travolta was actually banned from all the Burke-Williams. A very close friend was a massage therapist there. He constantly propositioned all the guys. And I was told this in 2008. Basically, he was trying to assault all the males and Travolta was not allowed to enter ANY of their spas in LA. So, remember the potential for a bad situation is high.

The fuck do you know, r141? I get a massage every week. I always put my hands over my head so they dangle off the top of the table. I can’t stand laying face down with my arms at my side. Don’t be jealous that no masseur has ever found you attractive. ☹️

"Is my masseur trying to turn me on?"

Sure. Why not?

Yep, I totally know who this is, had him twice. OP, he doesn't like girly men, he likes them like himself. He says it's like playing with himself, so it's not really gay. Just two men helping each other out. Move along to another masseur....

So who is this dude? At least identify so we can go try him out sometime.

Wait, so during a therapeutic non-erotic massage, this hot Russian pressed down on OP's perineum twice?

Russians know of no difference between a legitimate massage and an erotic one.

And I would say they're right.

I don't know why but sometimes my masseur fingers my hole. Do you think he's being sexual?

OP " I’m in my 30s and look younger than I am..."...You misfortunate bastard.

As a 20something I used to go to a well known Lower East Side establishment for massage. The Russian masseur was strong and always wore a towel. One day he was wearing a down of sorts, open at the front, I was on my back and he had placed my foot on his thigh as he massaged it. I was looking full on at him and the gown was open, and he was semi erect. We locked eyes but nothing happened-I was too scared. But I think it was more of a trust thing that he was relaxed and open with me, as I'd been going there for a year. he subsequently left to work in Florida I think. Never had a massage as good since then. Op if the massage is good, you really should be so relaxed that you're almost comatose.

R54, R55 & R145 win this thread. Ha!

[quote] Go prelubed. Raise your hole when he gets near it so a finger (or three, depending how many times you've been around the block) accidentally slips in. You're welcome!

[quote] When I'm on my stomach, getting a massage, I find using my hands to spread my ass cheeks sends an unmistakable message.

Follow the gentlemen's worldly, sage advice, OP.

[quote] By the way, I’m in my 30s and look younger than I am, I’m also fit and good looking and have a big 7.5” dick myself. And NO, this is NOT an EST.

OP, thank you for paying homage to the DL literary canon and keeping it alive!

[R7} OP don't listen to these trolls, most of them, are jealous. The others are in the midwest.

Which massage place is this? I am looking for a strong male masseur in NYC

[R129] how about some clues as to where this place is? clues only a new yorker would understand!

Yeah, like the address!

Being “in my 30s” and “I’m 39” is why people hate you, OP

I'm not sure if my masseur is trying to turn me on, but every time I go he says 'Take off that towel- Daddy wants to fuck'.

[quote] Do you live in New York? ... Do you want to meet face to face so you can see I’m not lying?

OP, I'm not R6, but I'd love to meet you in NYC.

Could you buy me a ticket & fly me over?

Geez, OP, sorry there's so much hate on this thread.

I'm going to assume you're telling the truth and my thought is it's complicated because if things go south (in a bad way), you're possibly ruining a nice business relationship; if he responds, then you could make what you have nicer.

Either way, it'll change. Decide what you want and handle things professionally until you do.

I can tell you I had a buddy and we shared the same masseur; my pal said to me once, 'well (masseur and I) were seeing each other for a while; I really can't talk about him personally.'

I thought, yeah, well, he FUCKED me on the table once...but ultimately it was a mistake.

Well I've been to a lot of masseurs so I'm one of the nice ones. I believe the OP and have gone to legit legit to legit that turned sensual and sensual and erotic. If someone wants no hanky panky of any kind it is very clear. There are no mixed signals. And yes a totally legit masseur sometimes will rub up against you because they have to. But a hard on pressed against you or crotch in the face is not part of their Swedish Institute skills.

The "if he did it for my friend he'll OBVIOUSLY do it for me" comment really gave the entire situation away.

No. No. No.

The thing that seemingly entitled possibly maybe successful people seem to think is that their pocketbook or... something.. social standing... confidence...... ?... compensates for everything, even the fact that they might have the personality of a bowl of rotten fruit and possibly look like an Armenian midget in a low rent Vegas inspired leisure suit when they're trying to nab some ass, or dick in this case... or in my case, with a discarded appointment card picked off of the ground.

picked up off of the ground*

R127/R147 Calm down, man. You totally misunderstood my post. I was agreeing with the person who responded to someone as to how to tell if a masseur may be into it. He said there’s no way that a masseur would graze your cock and balls by accident (meaning if he wasn’t into it). I added that it’s almost impossible for the masseur to have you touch HIS cock unless he wanted you to and it’s not by accident.

Take a Valium, no one was attacking you or your post.

Anyone getting a massage this weekend? It's been a rough week.

I get a massage weekly, sometimes twice per week. The first one massages me very sensually, but no sex. The second one fucked me as I was lying on the table, Both of them give excellent massages, regardless of sex.

Any other hot stories?

A handjob is still a job, OK?

I get you 100% OP. I’ll give you some DL AND massage advice. I’ve been dragged over the coals in threads I’ve started by shrill queens who try to derail the topic. Advice, don’t respond to them. Only respond to people who are giving you advice related to your question. Like weeds, when their egos are no longer being fed, they wither up and go away.

I live in NYC as well. And yes, gay men in general (and not the super plucked frosted tip ones you find in most other states) look younger here. I’m 43, and I’ve had some people get offended when I tell them, like they’re doing something wrong with their life. I could easily say I’m 35, but I actually really love the age I am now. I could tell you an erotic sexually charged incident that happened just this week when I told someone my age.

I specifically identify with the thrill of a normal situation all of a sudden becomimg erotically charged. I love that. So I get why you wouldn’t want to go to someone who is hired for happy endings. You go for a good massage, the excitement of something more happening is the bonus.

As far as massages go, I haven’t had many. But I do know a hand just over the side of the table usually works. If this is going to happen, his crotch will find it. And when you don’t move it, he will take it out if that’s what he wants too. I’ve had some masseurs go as far as casually putting massage oil on my hand to play with them while they continued to work on me, like nothing is going on.

I would love to know where this guy is OP, give it a try. But not sure how information is exchanged on an anonymous message board.

I have a massage booked for next week with someone I've seen a handful of times. My favorite part is when he climbs on the table and sits on my ass to get better leverage on my back. I've been fantasizing about him since our first appointment and would be receptive to any sexual turn our sessions may take. I book 90 minute appointments and always at the end of his day. Last time he came back in the room after I dressed and told [italic]me [/italic] how relaxed he felt and that I have "amazing energy." I know we have chemistry. I'm playing the long game and will keep seeing him for as long as it takes. In the meantime, I'm just enjoying the killer massages and the thrill of having a crush on someone with great hands.

Good luck, OP.

Any updates?

OP got handsy, and is in a body bag somewhere.

Hmmmm....Apparently OP is Kevin Spacey and Guy Pearce is R177, according to my DL sleuthing skills.

Did you get beaten to death by the Russian yet, OP?

I think you're really confused about what constitutes sexual assault OP., judging by your answer at R79. Just because he consents to certain things with your friend doesn't mean you can do what you want to him and it doesn't count, in fact I can't believe I'm actually having to explain this. Do you also think that if a woman says yes to one man than she doesn't have a right to refuse the next man? you are not your friend, he may not want you, he might not be in the mood, any number of things might put him off.

Also, consenting to do x at y time with your friend does NOT mean that that consent itself cannot be withdrawn - he is not obliged to continue anything with your friend and certainly not obliged to let any man who walks in do the same.The blase way in which you completely mis-define sexual assault really worries me - what doe you think sexual assault IS if you think consenting to one person means consenting to all people?

"Last time he came back in the room after I dressed and told me how relaxed he felt and that I have "amazing energy."

As if the masseur wasn't working on tips.

Op the reason that people don't think you are 30, and I don't think you are even remotely attractive is because you are so desperate for a handjob from someone who is working and you are paying.

Get a rent boy to act out this scenario for you and let the man work. If the story is true about your friend, maybe he is interested in your friend and NOT you. Your the type of person that makes gay men look bad.

Get a boyfriend or go on swipe some guy on grindr

** You're** the type of person that makes gay men look bad.

A Mumu color change might interest him.

Sometimes my massage therapist fingers me. Is that wrong?

R185, only if you'd prefer fisting.

r183, that is a grammar mistake and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation or gender.

Correct, R187. Can't help myself....Once an editor, always an editor.

what happened?

I'm seeing my MT in a week. He knows I always tip the same, so he doesn't have to hustle for it, R181. Our last session was something between meditation and sex without penetration. His hands go a little bit further each time I see him. It's the best money I've spent on myself in a very long time.

OP here.

Thank you to those who offered sincere responses and shared stories of similar experiences.

To those guys who say they think they know who my masseur is: what neighborhood does he work in? What are his initials?

I haven’t been back to see him since the last time. It’s kind of pricey and not something I can afford to do very often. But my friend actually saw him for almost two years, I think he said, before it turned sexual. I may have to stick with this for the long haul.

R180, I have no idea why you’re lecturing me about “sexual assault”. Don’t you understand that I started this thread because I want to know how I should go ahead with finding out *if* my masseur is open to erotic touching? I’m being as respectful as I can be with him, and have no intention of *assaulting* him.

(I don’t know why I’m even bothering to respond to that...)

The rest of you who think I couldn’t possibly be in my thirties, good looking, masculine, and well-hung, must be all old, flabby queens yourselves. I’m hardly any different in type than the masseur himself. Same goes for my friend. I know it’s really hard to imagine that guys like us exist, but the world is really a wild and wonderful place where crazy things like this happen.

Except OP, this masseur is NOT interested in YOU. No matter how "hot" you think you are, he doesn't want you. Beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone!!! This really "wild and wonderful world" doesn't include you. Guys like you are a dime a dozen in which no "crazy things" ever happen to. So sad. Find a hobby.

[quote] You just can’t win here on Datalounge, no matter what. It’s a wonder anyone ever bothers to post anything at all.

Well, YOU certainly shouldn't.

....

R192, you’re a loser and a troll.

Op=John Travolta

I asked for some attention to be paid to my right achilles and my MT focused on my ass, getting within centimeters of my hole. He ended by giving me a chest massage that made me wince and stroking my face, something he's never done and that I noted was "off limits" on my intake form months ago. Of course I didn't stop him. I can usually keep myself from fantasizing during our sessions, saving it for later, but this time I found myself thinking many times he was touching me like a lover would. And he knew it.

I get massages all the time and most times nothing happens which is fine. Last time the really cute massage therapist fingered my hole, sucked my dick and jerked me off. I didn't hate it. But I'm not going for that reason, I really do want a massage.

Wow, R198. Was he Asian?

R197, did he bring you to orgasm?

I picture OP eventually snapping in a fit of rage because he can't get what he thinks is his. I think they call them "Incels" today? Couldnt get laid if his life depended on it even though he's supposedly hot, hung, and all that other jazz. Poor guy doesn't realize that not everyone thinks he's hot despite what t.v. And magazines tell him. Maybe even his momma told him he was good looking to spare his feelings. Whats the phrase? Only a face a mother could love. Like someone up thread stated, he could get "rapey" real fast. I fear for the next escort he tries to get weird with when they realize he's a creep and give him his money back. Sad

I have never paid for an escort. I have been an escort myself, many times.

Do you live in NYC, R201?

LOL @ “couldn’t get laid if his life depended on it”. You have no fucking clue, you silly queen.

No Russian dick for you!!!!

OP, what made you think this was the right place to ask?

This thread is glorious. Now OP is well-hung, masculine (of course), good looking, and, the best part for sure, was (or is?) an escort.

So why care about this masseur so much? Surely you must have guys lined up around the block.

[quote]What should I do? By the way, I’m in my 30s and look younger than I am, I’m also fit and good looking and have a big 7.5” dick myself. And NO, this is NOT an EST.

Oh, brother.

Go rent a whore like everybody else, and quit acting so peculiar!

Poor OP, it's looking more and more like everybody is laughing AT you, not with you. It's never too late to find a hobby.

Come on OP, just tell us where this Russian works and I will do some undercover work, all in the name of Datalounge

I'm keeping an eye on the news feeds for a missing Russian masseur. Or worse, the unexplained dismemberment of a Russian masseur. We all know where the fingers will be pointing. Tsk tsk OP.

So sexy

Another gotham sex mystery waiting to be revealed

R207, I don’t want to rent a whore. I want a sexual experience with this particular masseur for various reasons. Chief among them is that I enjoy the suspense of a situation that is not supposed to be erotic suddenly turning erotic.

R206, do you live in NYC? That’s a serious question. We could meet up some place and you could verify my looks, masculinity, and penis size. I’m serious. I’m not exactly shy, and I would LOVE to meet YOU.

[R213] I will meet you and you can tell me the identity of your Russian masseur, then we can both go get massaged by him. I'm paying!

Take him up on it. Quick, before he changes his mind.

Now OP is cruising Datalounge? He has definitely hit rock bottom.

R216, that’s funny. Depends how irresistible R206 is.

R206, whaddya say? Leave the masseur out of it. I’m not outing him—this is about you thinking I’m lying.

I’m still hoping to hear back from the people who think they know who the masseur is.

Yes, he's trying to turn you on, but then he'll get weird when you do get turned on.

I would like to believe that most people here realize how unbalanced OP is. He's bordering on a sociopathy that may not be in the books yet. Brags about once being an escort "several times", has body dysmorphia, and is obsessed with a heterosexual, gay for pay, Russian masseur trying to make a living. You cannot make this shit up.

Yeah, I'm really not in the mood to get shanked. No thanks to the offer, OP.

"I enjoy the suspense of a situation that is not supposed to be erotic suddenly turning erotic".. Koo koo... Sounds like something a rapist would say. Someone needs to put you down. Where's the soft butch sous chef when we need her?

R206, what makes you think I want to MURDER you, for god’s sake? You think I’m lying about being good looking, 39, masculine, and hung; I’m offering you the opportunity to find out if you’re right. (You’re wrong.) Bring a friend for security. You have a friend, right? Livestream it for further security and verification for all your Datalounge fans.

R221, I’m not the only one who enjoys such scenarios. Jesus Christ, there are a million porn videos built around variations on that theme.

R219, nothing you mentioned makes me sound “unbalanced”, and I don’t think you know what a sociopathy is. I’m not “obsessed” with this masseur. You don’t know that he’s heterosexual (how would you?). Where are you getting the idea I have “body dysmorphia”? And what does my having escorted in the past have to do with your diagnosis?

Actually, if you re-read my post *carefully*, I never said you were lying. I said this thread was glorious, and it was mostly due to your feeding us more and more tidbits of information about yourself as this thread progressed. I actually encourage you to keep going in that direction, because your thread is anything but boring, but it's dangerously close to becoming so.

Still not interested enough to meet up with you, and not sure why you're pushing this so hard, unless you're trying to find more clients. Not in the market for that, unfortunately.

I no longer fear for the Russian masseur, I fear for OP. The way he's going, this Russian is going tire of his advances and threats against his liveliehood. OP will most likely end up in the Hudson when he goes all "fatal attraction" on this poor guy trying to make a living.

My advances, R224? I’ve made none. I’ve been to this masseur twice.

R206, I don’t know how you could expect anyone to take your post as anything other than sarcasm. Especially following earlier posts from DLers who definitely thought I’m 68 years-old, short and stout, with plucked eyebrows, etc.

In other words, typical DL bullshit.

I no longer do any escorting and only mentioned meeting in person to prove you wrong. Your post at R206 was typical of the “every personal story told on DL is an EST post” mentality. “Everyone on here claiming to be young(ish), handsome, hung, and—worst of all—masculine, is DEFINITELY lying.” My response to that is: bring it, cunts. Willing and able to prove any of you wrong any day (in NYC, anyway).

Still waiting to hear back from those who think they know who the masseur is. Initials, work place, anything.

Only twice? How often did your friend see him before things progressed?

I would guess well over a dozen times. I think he said he saw him close to every month for almost two years before suddenly crotch-groping was introduced.

Got blown and my ass eaten by a massuer today. NICE

Haha, OP, R229 is hotter and more successful with masseurs than you!

[quote]I don’t know how you could expect anyone to take your post as anything other than sarcasm.

Then that's your problem, and not mine, Mr Masculine Former Escort.

Also, what R230 said.

I got fucked by a masseur a couple of weeks ago. He didn't eat me out first though sad to say.

Why don't you create a YouTube video for us, OP? If you're so eager to prove who you say you are, that would do it. You must mention DL by name and reference this post, so we'll know it's you!

[quote]Do you also think that if a woman says yes to one man than she doesn't have a right to refuse the next man?

Almost completely out of context with the woman reference in a massage situation.

[quote] Why don't you create a YouTube video for us, OP? If you're so eager to prove who you say you are, that would do it. You must mention DL by name and reference this post, so we'll know it's you!

Yes!

For those who've had sex with their masseurs: do you still pay? What sort of tip do you give? I imagine it could be a little awkward and there's a chance the MT would be insulted either way.

Only 10 more visits, OP; til the BIG REVEAL!

Of course you pay. Regular price plus a nice tip.

JUST the tip though.

R139 that’s not true. I used to go to a gay masseur but was strictly no happy endings. Sensibly so as it’s a gossipy if not small comminuity. He has a long standing business and if word got out he would lose his mainstream credibility. I would always get a hard on poking up as he massaged my thighs (it turns me on) but on this one occasion he flicked my cock with his hand as he was working on my chest afterwards. Not once but 20 + times. I noticed he was bulging a bit but didn’t react other than a few appreciative moans. I moved away a few sessions after that but it’s to my eternal regret that I didn’t squeeze his crotch and see where it played from there.

Ok - in the name of journalism and being a supportive DL member - I will meet with OP and R214 - The more the merrier!

You all act like it's shocking to have a masseur fondle you. It's actually very common where I live. Or maybe it's just me.

Where do you live r241

R241, these are the sexless wonders talking. Jealousy and prissiness and general stupidity in spades.

R233, I don’t need to put my face on the Internet for you all to see so that potentially the whole world can know I’m implicating a masseur in prohibited conduct at his workplace. Duh? If some smartass here lives in New York and thinks I’m lying about my age and appearance and masculinity, I’m happy to meet with that asshole in person to disappoint them.

Los Angeles, R 242.

It’s common in NYC, too.

Op and r241 in NYC and LA. When they fondle you is it then ok for you to grab their package in return and does it lead to bjs / sex? Or is it acknowledged that’s it’s just a light titilisation as part of the normal service?

It’s okay to fondle back.

Schedule an NYC Datalounge get together. I think the last DL get together was in LA around 2007.

Assume it means light titillation, unless he takes it further.

I might believe OP, but this (story) seems very similar to antics at this Russian day spa in LA on Pico where random celebs hang out on the dl. Some old queen even wrote a book about it. I've seen F list people like Paulie Shore there. Allegedly John Travolta used to get massages/sex from certain masseurs. There is a Russian masseur named V who is is older, but has a massive donkey dick. The pool, steam, and sauna are all nude - V will sometimes shave with his fat dick just hanging between his legs. Anyhow, I think he did give in to Travolta, but only b/c it was him.

I was chastised for my erection, so I doubt I'll ever go for a massage again. I had an innocent "semi" ..and I wasn't flaunting it.

Are you the OP, R251? Is the dream over?

I just got home from another dreamy session with my MT. On the playlist today was a reggae song with lyrics about kissing and true love. We shared an excellent hug at the end.

No, R252, that was not me.

R251, that is so fucked up. Professional masseurs know that elections happen involuntarily. We’re humans, not robots. That was completely inappropriate and you should not be put off of massages forever because of that one asshole. You should also file a complaint, if possible, or leave a negative review online if possible.

R250, OP here. Your story is very sexy, but this facility where “my” masseur works is not at all like that.

[quote]Professional masseurs know that elections happen involuntarily.

Fucking autocorrect. It’s even worse when typing on datalounge than it is elsewhere on the internet, or in text messages. What’s up with that?

Does OP have a neighbor named Joel?

OP is fine meeting in person where someone could photograph him but is not ok with posting a simple video online? Color me surprised.

Innocent erections happen. It's too bad that you were chastised, R251. There are better ways of handling it (no pun intended). We all know they happen spontaneously, and sometimes trying to make one go away makes it worse. Bunching up the sheets/blanket over that area, turning you over, working on a different area, starting a conversation to distract you are all methods the therapist could have employed, and should have made a big deal out of it only if you starting acting beyond what he/she was comfortable with.

We are taught in massage training that it's a natural response and to take appropriate action if the client crosses a line. That line may be different for each therapist. There's guidance/rules from gov't and industry bodies. However, many therapists - especially women - have become militant in their approach to working on men, whereby they refuse to see male clients, they carry pepper spray (or worse) on them, won't tolerate a single "dick adjustment" (which all males do from time to time, especially when being moved around on the table or flipped over), etc. Some male therapists have a no-nonsense approach as well. That's their call to make, however I think it's overkill. In my 10 years of experience, I've seen plenty of erections, been propositioned, had both women and men request extras and/or surreptitiously stimulate themselves, and the list goes on.

I didn't mean to write a diatribe or bore you all with industry-talk. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes in the massage therapy world and yet most situations can be handled with a little common sense between adults.

Minor correction to R258: Should have been "... only if you started acting beyond what he/she was comfortable with." Apologies.

To the guy who lives in LA who routinely has sex with masseurs, just curious: does this happen in establishments like Burke Williams or in people you find on Adam4Adam or Craigslist?

“Just spread my cheeks and fuck me up the ass with your huge Russian cock!”

this excerpt from Hollywood Wipes by Jerky Collins

has anybody figured out who this masseur is?

It's common in the little neighborhood Asian joints. Especially if there'a a neon rainbow in the window. You just have to use your eyes and ears and be sort of careful. I'm very approachable and can read situations pretty accurately. We all have our skills! Too bad mine don't pay more...

[R240] I haven't heard from OP but I am down to get massaged by this Russian guy, if he exists!

Any clues as to who he is/where he works?

For the licensed MT(s) on this thread. Are there ways for a client to let you know something sexual would be welcomed that wouldn't also make it weird between you and awkward to see you again if you weren't interested? Assume a regular who tips well and someone with whom you have a good rapport, even chemistry.

Honey, it's like jazz. Nobody can explain it. If you get it, you get it, if you don't, you don't.

[quote]OP is fine meeting in person where someone could photograph him but is not ok with posting a simple video online? Color me surprised.

You’re surprised because you haven’t given it much thought. Meeting in public where someone could snap a still photo? No problem. Even if that happened, that still photo would prove nothing.

Me appearing in a video identifying myself as the OP of this thread is a little worse, no?

Why do you think I’m lying, anyway? If I were going to lie about my age, I wouldn’t say I’m THIRTY-NINE, you goon. And yes, I’m masculine, I’m a rock and roller (trolldar me if you want, I’ve never been inconsistent), I’m masculine, and yes I was a webcam model for a few years and turned a few tricks and have a big dick. Why is any of that so utterly unfathomable? It’s not like I’m claiming to be anything *legitimately impressive*.

Why are so many DLers so stupid?

And yes, I’m still waiting for the couple responders here who claimed to have an idea who my masseuer is to post some details about him: initials, place of employment, etc.

You've been exposed for the fraud you are, OP. People have moved on.

Not so. I'm still invested in this thread and rooting for OP if for no other reason than I want hope and tips on how to seduce your own sexy massage therapist.

*MY own

IT FINALLY HAPPENED. And now I know he's into me. He placed my hands where he wanted them and rubbed his semi-erection all over them and later all over my ass when he had me roll to my side and he put one leg up on the table to maintain contact. There were times when my brain told me I was getting a massage and then it would flip and tell me it was sex. It felt like both. It was so. hot. I didn't grab him because this was a first after many sessions together and I thought I should be neutral with my hands even though I was clearly aroused. When it was done he called me "kiddo" and laughed at all my jokes. Now I know we're going to fuck and it will be SPECTACULAR.

R269 How am I a fraud? Who exposed me? What have I lied about?

[quote] r272 I didn't grab him because this was a first after many sessions together and I thought I should be neutral with my hands even though I was clearly aroused.

Wise. It's very important he not think you cheap.

You want him to [italic]respect[/italic] you.

I didn't want to scare him off by grabbing his meat the first time it brushed against me, R275. I'm horny but not desperate. Also, I want us to fuck in his bed, not on his table.

Your taste is shit, OP. Nasty ass Russky stanksleeve? Hard Pass.

You wouldn’t say that if you saw him, R277. Unless you’re anti-foreskin no matter what. For the record, I prefer circumcised men, but when it comes to this masseur, anything goes.

Tonight he just did away with the sheet all together and I was buck naked, face down on his table for more than half the 80 minutes. He touched me [italic]everwhere[/italic] but didn't linger in any one spot and I felt more comfortable moving against his hands and body and breathing heavy with my mouth open. He told me he was "pampering" me by giving me a toe massage with my full body and I moaned a thank you and an "amazing." I chose his last appointment at the beginning of his week instead of at the end and this might be my new favorite time because he was so fresh and enthusiastic. Soon. It's happening soon.

R279, do you get erections when you lie on your back and he massages your front? My masseur asked me the last time—and I haven’t been back to him since starting this thread—if I wanted him to work on the front of my body, and I said no, knowing that I would have an embarrassing erection.

But now I’m thinking that I’ll have him work on my front the next time I see him—my crazy-big boner will certainly send a direct message to him, I hope.

R280 If you want him as much as you say you do, get back on his table, don't worry about the erection, and see what happens.

I don't think seeing a boner on his massage table would be much of a surprise to him.

Boners are very common.

I used to live on Mott Street and went to an Asian joint where I would great massages by a fellow who called himself "Jason".

I FELT HIS COCK AND HE WAS HARD. He rubbed it all over my hand while I was on my side with arm behind my back; I remained calm and gently rubbed him with my fingers in a way that could have been attributed to extreme relaxation and muscle contraction while sighing and moaning non-aggressively. This was after he climbed on top of me and leaned down to work my shoulders while he pressed his hips into mine and before he sat me naked on his chair so he could lean into my neck muscles. I wanted to tip him 50% but I didn't want to cheapen the experience. We're getting there.

Jealous bitches?

I do think you're wise. A long courtship is best.

After reading all these posts I'm starting to rethink my past massages. At first I thought it was odd he was massaging my ass checks but it was usually if I said my lower back was stiff. I had asked a female friend if that was normal and she said it was. He covered half my ass with the sheet while massaging the naked part. He used to get very close to my crotch bc I remember thinking he can tell that I shave my crotch. I've always been rather naive when it comes to this stuff. He ended up moving to Arizona so I don't see him anymore.

LOL, R286.

OP is exhausting IMO.