KATE SPADE - SUICIDE

Holy shit.

That was kind of random, no?

Apparently she hanged herself. Was she terminally ill?

Sad

[quote]Was she terminally ill?

Isn't anyone who commits suicide terminally ill?

OH NO. She just sold her whole business to Coach, and she should be pretty happy about that...

David Spade sister

Sister in Law

Her poor daughter. I hope the daughter wasn’t the person who found her. If she went to private school, she might be home - some are out for the summer already.

Wow. Kind of shocking.

Oh no. At 55, her life was pretty much over anyway.

I know someone who knows Andy Spade, and he had told this person a few years ago that he and Kate were getting a divorce. But then they kept showing up in society rags and party photos, so I assumed it was nonsense. I have met Andy Spade in the past, in more of a professional manner, and I can't put a finger on why, but this news doesn't surprise me.

She and her husband were still together? For some reason I thought they divorced, but I’m mixing her up with Tory Burch.

Shit. I was having a bad morning and feeling depressed/sorry for myself.

This jolted me back to reality.

Good info R11.

I guess even she realized how ugly her designs are

That's one way to poison the brand name.

I bet nobody had her in the Death Pool.

Perhaps her life had lost meaning.

Het apartment

^ her

I don't think from, part of Jack Spade's dissection kit novelty, gives a shit.

*frog

R18, I am a thrift shopper and see her stuff somewhat regularly. It’s not my cup of tea.

I will say that it’s a pretty “safe” line, like Tory Burch and J. Crew. Nothing slutty, work-appropriate, overpriced. Very basic prep-wear.

Unfortunately posts like R15 are why I’m on DL

Sad. I knew some of her family in the past. I really feel for the daughter. This will fuck her up for the rest of her life.

Shocking..

Wow, you just never know, huh?

So sad, RIP.

Dear Lord in Heaven!

Did she have a history of depression/mental illness?

It's odd that this happens when I just started watching Project Runway for the first time ever. Coincidence? I think not!

How come I never heard of her before? Was she in reality television? I'm serious.

She seems off.

Maybe she had been planning this hence her reasons for selling and ensuring money for her spawn.

The article says she sold her company in 2007, r34. I doubt it takes 11 years to plan a suicide.

[quote]Isn't anyone who commits suicide terminally ill?

No, actually most people who commit suicide do not have a physical ailment that will result in their death. Most people commit suicide out of depression or anxiety.

According to reports, her housekeeper found her. At least it wasn’t the daughter. Thank dog the daughter didn’t have to see that.

R35, thanks for the skinny. I clearly don't keep up with the woman.

Unless, of course, she really is a long term strategist.

Article said she left a note. So sad.

Alexander McQueen, L'Wren Scott, and now Kate Spade?

What the hell is so awful about being a top designer?

Depression is a bitch.. it robs your life, if not by suicide, by also taking all your joy away, feeling like a zombie... numb.

I've been depressed and thought of suicide. So I am somewhat sympathetic. But I never had a child. It seems selfish to put that on a 12 year old.

Maybe she was depressed about her tiny vagina.

God needed another angel. That's the only explanation...

What do you think the note says?

Her brand's accessories line at Neiman Marcus - here's a Crab Pouf keychain. Maybe she was concerned about the direction her namesake took.

I dont buy handbags, but her designs seemed fusty and old-ladyish. I was genuinely surprised that women under 60 buy her stuff. It seemed like the kind of things that Jackie Kennedy would favor, along with white gloves.

r42 I have also been depressed and thought of suicide (although I don't have kids). In the moment that someone actually carries through with the act, they feel they have no other way. Most likely she thought that she was doing her daughter a favor.

They say the worst time to commit suicide is when you feel suicidal, because the suicidal mind desorts reality so adeptly.

[quote]Alexander McQueen, L'Wren Scott, and now Kate Spade? What the hell is so awful about being a top designer?

The fashion world is a shallow world. Maybe they realized that and became depressed.

^ Also that Crab Pouf keychain is $80

For years I had a copy of her little etiquette handbook, “Manners” as bathroom reading. It had nice little illustrations and common sense tidbits about writing thank you notes.

Oh I still have it.

Hopefully the note will give some insight as to what was troubling her. I feel so sorry for her daughter.

Bump for orig

Here's a $500 light fixture from her line

R24 I did not know about the 12 year old. So she made the choice to have a child at 43 but then commit suicide at 55? It just doesn't make sense. Then again, neither does mental illness I guess.

R42, thats the point: depression leads to irrational thinking. She probably was so depressed she thought she was doing her daughter a favor.

I suffer from depression too. It's an awful condition. And one I have to keep watchful eye on all the time. Drugs, exercise and diet. And if any of those are out of kilter, it comes back and doom and gloom steps in.

RIP.

[quote]They say the worst time to commit suicide is when you feel suicidal, because the suicidal mind desorts reality so adeptly.

r48 is there a best time to commit suicide? :-o

[quote]Kate Spade sold 56% of her company for $34 million. Few years later she sold the rest for $59 million. It was sold a week later for $124 million And last year, resold for $2.4 Billion. Suicide.

[quote] It seemed like the kind of things that Jackie Kennedy would favor, along with white gloves.

But that is exactly the style archetype that DL Eldergays would have all Ladies of Quality embrace to this day!

She murdered Judith Leiber. She no longer could live with the guilt.

Are they absolutely sure it wasn't murder? She wasn't trying to cut the husband off without a cent or anything?

[quote]For years I had a copy of her little etiquette handbook, “Manners” as bathroom reading. It had nice little illustrations and common sense tidbits about writing thank you notes.

Did it cover the proper way to write a suicide note?

There's a lot of pressure in the fashion world.

Hanging via scarf, a la L'Wren Scott.

The CFDAs were last night in NYC - was this some kind of trigger?

Just saw David Spade on Ellen a few weeks ago not sure what he was promoting .

That’s terrible for the kid. My sister was 10 when our mother died (cancer) and she’s still fucked up by it.

It must be awful to feel that your parent chose to leave you at such a vulnerable age.

Perhaps she spent too much time gazing at the painting over the fireplace in her living room.

All that money and she stuck with that B52s hairstyle all these years.

Somebody leaked her the news about the asteroid next week. She couldn't live out the last days.

Strange about the note. Most people who commit suicide don't leave one. I wonder if they've officially concluded that it was indeed suicide and it wasn't made to look like one.

R62 this is why I come to DataLounge.

[quote]That was kind of random, no?

Probably not to her.

R40 and Isabella Blow

wow!

R58, I’m a different kind of person, so I’d be happy with $100 million. The rest of my days would be filled with hedonistic leisure and a smattering of philanthropy.

But a starving man has a different idea of plenty.

Suicide attempts sometimes happen when you absolutely think you can not stand the pain of living your cursed existence for one more second and that the world, and your loved ones in it, will be better off without you because you are a deeply horrible human being.

The Duchess of Cambridge in Kate Spade on World Mental Health Day in 2016.

Holy fuck!!!! I used to work with her sister, who’s one of the nastiest bitches I’ve ever had the displeasure of meeting.

A housekeeper found Ms. Spade in her bedroom hanging from a red scarf tied to a doorknob, the police said. She was unconscious and the housekeeper called 911.

how long was the scarf or how short was she?

Maybe it was'nt suicide.

[quote]The New York Police Department confirmed the designer’s death under her birth name, Katherine Noel Brosnahan.

It's rather easy to asphyxiate oneself that way, r78

a beautiful, very popular, 50something writer killed herself yesterday here in Italy. You just really never knows what's going on in other people's lives.

Re r78, isn’t that how L’Wren Scott did it?

This is going to sound awful, but I think it’s less traumatic for the person discovering the body to see it slumped over on the floor than seeing someone hanging from a height.

Yes, I have grisly thoughts.

Marc Jacobs is next :(

R78, at least the housekeeper called 911 instead of the Olsen twins.

Maybe she was jerking off.

She left a note r86

I would take the money and disappear into oblivion across the world and keep in touch with my daughter. Tragic news.

Maybe she couldn't cope with the thought of Fifth Avenue without Lord and Taylor

Will there be a final sale on handbags ?

R83, yes, that’s how Scott did it. The fashionable way to end it all, I guess.

Agreed on slumping vs. hanging, too.

55 is a good run. I’m 52 and thinking about checking out soon too.

She is an actual person?

FWIW, suicides tend to peak in late spring/early summer.

the ipod

Wonder why that is R94?

Is it kind of sad that this was the day after the CFDA awards?

And r85 is why I keep coming back here.

Damn, but I LOled.

R96, I don’t know, but I think it’s bevause we think the longer, sunnier days should make us feel better and energized with renewed hope... but they don’t.

Womp womp.

What was the trigger? Like L’Wren did she discover her spouse/partner was seeing someone else? Something very door-matty about her? Her stuff was a nice “good girl” counterpoint to the whore-wear of the late 1990s and aughts. Her own look was sort of B52s meets Serial Mom. That biz and life in upper class NY is competitive, she didn’t have that hard core like Tory.

[quote]Katherine Noel Brosnahan

Actress Rachel Brosnahan is her niece.

r96 there are a couple theories. One is that increased sunlight can increase aggression, including aggression toward self. Another is that people who are depressed in winter lack the energy to carry out their plans. Increased sunlight = increased energy.

It's most likely related to the longer days. January/February tend to see the fewest number of suicides, IIRC.

This trend -- suicides peaking in May -- has been observed for centuries. Counterintuitive, isn't it?

Im 54 and now is when im FINALLY hitting my stride

She was murdered.

Women don’t hang themselves.

Look up the stats if you don’t believe me.

(Alessandra Appiano, for those wondering about the Italian writer who killed self recently.)

Actually, L'Wren and Robin Williams did it the same way, I think.

Didn't L'Wren Scott have financial difficulties? I thought that was why she ended her life.

Who murders someone with a scarf? It was suicide.

I heard she was a victim of chronic incurable dry-cunt

Re suicides in spring and summer: maybe people hang on through the winter and then as R99 and R102 said

R102... It sure is. Supposedly, during the winter with less sun and darker days, a good light lamp is supposed to help you feel better. Maybe, when the weather gets nice and the sun is out longer, you see more people out and about and enjoying themselves... which could be a stark contrast to your life, which could make you feel worse.

thank you, I was wondering R105

She looks like a drinker.

The weight gain, ruddy complexion, same hairstyle forever, seeming regret over stepping away from a successful fashion career.

I wonder if she was self-medicating with alcohol and tried to get sober but couldn’t.

Wow, I can’t believe Lord & Taylor’s 5th Ave store is closing. I liked shopping there when I lived in the city. It was nice and laid back once you got off the 1st floor. Loved how they used to hand write receipts and pack purchases wrapped in white paper in an L&T box.

[quote]Marc Jacobs is next :(

From your lips to god’s ears.

She looked like someone from my sister’s 1960s Catholic school class. She could have been named Maureen or Helen or Cathy.

Don’t know why I always pictured Kate Spade as a small blonde.

My sister was into Kate Spade when it first came out. The stuff was cheerful. it was expensive and then it became mass produced and she stopped buying. Her clothes were retro but with bright colors. this is a colorful brand, cheerful.

That's too bad.

With a red scarf? is she planning on haunting the place? freaky!

R116, which is why I mix her up with Tory Burch.

And she does look like one of those rich Irish Catholic ladies.

according to ny post,

They launched a new brand called Frances Valentine in 2016. guess it wasn't going well? never heard of it.

How do we know it was a red scarf? Sounds apocryphal.

Her husband looks cruel.

Don't know about her fashions but her home furnishings could be nice -- though often found at Tuesday Morning shops and the like. Okay perfume too. A rather "sunny" brand and look what happens. Oh, the irony...

Guess there’s gonna be a big crowd at Frank E. Campbell soon.

The brand she sold for a little over a $100 million was not the same company that sold for $2.4 billion. She basically sold her name.

So will her handbags be on sale now? 75% off? Too soon?

R121 yes and looks like a datalounger, too.

With husband

Could she have terminal illness?

Andy will be played by Guy Pearce in the inevitable movie.

No one has commented yet about the flaming gay gay gay husband.

I agree, r121.

From the video at r33, the daughter sounds like a rude cunt.

I bet she got that from Andy. He seems like a real piece of work.

[quote] Who murders someone with a scarf? It was suicide.

you've never seen DIAL M FOR MURDER?

Wow.. he does look like Guy Pearce.

They had matching botched nose jobs ala 1970 Beverly Hills , tiny small perky.

I LOVE Jack Spade. Owns a bunch of their bags because they are practical and understated without being too expensive. I am so pissed with Coach discontinued the brand.

I used to buy knockoffs of her little nylon backpacks from street vendors in the 90s and early 2000s. I have neck, shoulder and back problems and found that a lightweight small backpack evenly distributed the weight and was much better than a shoulder bag of any sort. I paid $15.

Illuminati...

Well he looks like a barrel of laughs at R127.

Andy Spade’s apartment

From the video at r33, her daughter sounds like a rude cunt.

I bet she got that from Andy. He looks like a nasty piece of work.

Yeah, gay husband!

As to whether women hang themselves or not, I'm willing to believe that hanging is possible. I just don't believe that women strip naked, tie their hands behind their back, put a noose around their necks, and jump off the balcony of a mansion.

R101, so plenty of Hollywood connections. Did she know what Harvey was doing?

I didn't know.

R11, do you have anything else you can share about Andy Spade and the couple? I always thought he was cute and cool and liked his style —both of theirs, really. Kate did the polished country club casual thing really well. Andy’s sleepwear brand was more sexy, but wholesome sexy. He was the cofounder and he’s done a lot of creative director work.

Kate and Andy haven’t had anything to do with the Kate Spade brand in years. In fact, she even changed her name, probably to distance herself from it and reestablish the new brand, Frances Valentine. (The KS brand has really gone off the rails and much of it became grotesquely cutesy. Their VP/creative director Deborah Lloyd recently left. I don’t know if the cutesy thing is her fault or she was resisting it and decided to leave.

From r33’s video I got the feeling that they didn’t like each other very much. He said some catty thing which made me instantly dislike him. Her, I liked. She seemed a little tipsy. And she made many of the same gestures and facial expressions of my late MIL. Who was also a successful woman with lovely eccentric taste and a genteel boozy Irish gal from the Midwest.

Come to think of it, maybe she changed her name to distance herself from her husband!

How high up was her doorknob that she could hang herself from it?

She looks like Tina Fey.

Of course women hang themselves. I think they favor pills of course, but they also go out of windows. I live on the UES and quite a few recent rich-lady suicides have been defenestrations.

she looked like Karen from Will & Grace

R51 I’m sure she took pleasure in knowing you read her book due to constipation.

She was younger than I’d thought, a millionaire or even more with a young daughter? Hard to imagine the darkness she must have been feeling.

Sh was in her 50s? Holy shit I’m 61and look younger than she does in that photo of her with her niece

How could someone who's worth at least $100 million be depressed? And I don't care if it was a chemical imbalance. All that money would have balanced out my chemicals just fine.

She's a FUCKING PIECE OF CUNT DRIBBLE for leaving her little girl like that. BURN IN HELL CUNT.

Hey R142, I know what case you're talking about. I think the Shacknai brother was proven guilty.

Carry on.

Women don't hang themselves over finances. Personal and health yes.

WTF is that strange thing to right of the fireplace, in the apartment picture.

I just took a nap. Kate Spade killed herself? I lived in nyc from ‘84-‘99. Don’t call her names. Yes suicide is very selfish but these people are in pain. But Kate Spade?? Oh no.

r154 it may perhaps increase the hopelessness. I am poor-ish as an adult (full disclosure: I grew up upper middle class) and often depressed about money. But I can fantasize: if I had X amount of money, my depression would disappear." It's escapism.

Well, what if I did have X amount of money and was still depressed? Then what? What financial fantasy could I indulge to momentarily chase away my depression?

She found out he had a new sidepiece and wanted out for good this time. Depressed, used up, thrown out, and about to have write a big check. I have a lot of sympathy for women in their late 40s to late 50s. And yes, he looks like a real cunt most of the time.

This is so similar to the designer L'wren Scott (Mick Jaggers girlfriend) suicide by scarf in her Manhattan apt a few years ago.

Andy Spade funded all of Josh and Benny Safdie’s early movies.

That’s not Isabella Blow, it’s a model styled like her.

R161 maybe. But women with money have no problem leaving men they don't like and finding a man they do like.

What would make you end your life when you have a 13 year old?

This death stings a bit. I was in college and used to love the photographs in her ad campaigns. The people in the ads and the atmosphere was everything I aspired to have. It was a bright but sophisticated fantasy. The artwork above the fireplace is a little spooky, the black void. Certainly not something I would want to look at everyday as person with depression.

Well, she was from Kansas City and let's face it, there's no recovering from that.

She and Andy had been together since college. I thought they were one of those great love stories—best friends, shared interests and tastes.

To those speculating about her looks: She’s got Irish genes. Hence the dark hair and ruddy complexion.

Was she seeing Mack Jagger?

Mick, I mean.

I'll got out on a limb and guess intransigent depression that wasnt responding to medication anymore. She left the business completely several years ago, ostensibly to 'raise her daughter'. She may have been having issues for some time.

She was found mid-morning by her housekeeper - where were her husband and daughter? There's a bit more to this than we know.

I knew about the David Spade connection but not the one to Rachel Brosnahan. Interesting.

Yea if you had to see Mick nekkid, that would do it.

I had a cute backpack with her name in gold. Made of satin. She was a huge part of the general optimism in NYC pre 9-11. The days we all thought we were Sex in the City and life would turn out great. and nothing would ever go wrong. Her bags we could afford and look chic in. Omg.

She looks very Irish

R171, hopefully her daughter was at school. A neighbor kid who’s in private school is on summer break already.

Her husband looks like a prick. Poor woman.

The husband did it or gaslighted her or berated her into doing it.

Trust.

his has his own line Jack spade...don't think it's doing well. it was in bloomingdales but no longer. at least I don't see it there anymore.

Maybe she had secret financial problems?

There was a banker lady in London who took a sip of wine, calmly put her handbag on the floor and then jumped out of the (now infamous) rooftop restaurant, Coq D’Argent.

very sad, i always liked her style before she sold the company.

[quote]R37 How come I never heard of her before? Was she in reality television? I'm serious.

As far as I know, she was just a very popular brand name.

Not that any way is good ... but jumping from a building has always seemed to me a particularly awful way to go r179

My doctor once told me that no one is more cruel than a teenage girl to her mother, who is usually beset by post menopausal (the change) issues, like screaming "You're OLD and UGLY and I HATE you and want to live with gay Daddy and his celebrity boyfriend."

The video linked above at R33 seemed like the daughter was a controlling brat. R132 and R141 I agree with you

R177, I’m not BLAMING him, but the video at r33, he can barely contain his contempt for her. And for an event that was about ‘their’ line, he had to plug HIS. I think he was in her shadow ALWAYS and harbored resentment and made her pay privately.

Not many men will take a seat beside, let alone a back seat to a successful woman.

I seriously financial problems drove her to it, if a sane woman with a young child had a huge financial reversal she'd still do her damndest to carry on. And it sounds like she'd made so much money in the last few decades that the worst that could happen financially is that she wouldn't be able to afford a private jet or apartments in all the world cities. If it really was suicide, then depression is the likeliest cause, it can strike anyone and doesn't always respond to treatment, and frankly it'd be made worse by the shallow mindset of the fashion world, where youth and thinness are everything.

But really, the police should look very carefully for signs of murder, if there really was a divorce coming up. Widows have it a hell of a lot easier than ex-spouses.

Wow she appears soused in the video at r33.

[quote]R66 Perhaps she spent too much time gazing at the painting over the fireplace in her living room.

Right? That PAINTING is what's going to fuck up her daughter for the rest of her life - -

R168, your doctor is right. When Alec Baldwin chewed his daughter out and called her a “rude thoughtless pig”, I didn’t think it was that terrible. There is nothing worse than a teenage girl. I know because I WAS one.

And now I have three. Love them to death but they are difficult people to handle.

Is that David Spades brother she is married too? They seem like complete opposites

Shady quotes from the article posted by r140, with translation:

[quote] When we arrived, he and his wife, Kate, were in spirits that are uncommonly good for a Thursday afternoon—a side effect of a birthday celebration from earlier in the day.... Over a Corona and a cigarette, [Andy] Spade shared some insight into his home, art collecting, and life in general."

Translation: "When we arrived, the couple was soused, and it was barely 3 p.m. They blamed a birthday party. He continued to drink. He's also a smoker."

[quote]As soon as you walk through the door, you're slammed (in the best way) by an entryway covered in frames, tacked-up papers, and photos.

Translation: "The entryway was a cluttered mess. (In the best way.)"

[quote]The long corridor off to the side is covered in art as well, but in a different way. It’s more uniform, as opposed to the more haphazard salon walls in the entryway. One isn’t necessarily better than the other; it’s just a matter of preference.

Translation: "The hallway is also cluttered, but not like the entryway."

[quote]There’s plenty to look at, but in the living room the immediate focus is on a large Richard Serra painting that hangs over the fireplace.

Translation: "Despite the clutter, you can't help but stare at the butthole painting over the fireplace."

[quote]There’s an abundance of everything in the house. That’s not a bad thing in this case—it brings character.

Translation: "Andy is a jerk, but the clutter softens that effect."

[quote]Nearly all the surfaces in the home are covered with books, artifacts, and whatever else the pair have collected over the past twenty or thirty years.

Translation: "There are some hoarder tendencies. A storage unit is not always a bad idea."

[quote]Not really a dining room table until you throw some candlesticks on there. They don’t even have to match. Honestly.

Translation: "Nothing matches, but these people are rich, so it's okay. Honestly."

[quote]If you ever run out of wall space, remember there's always other options. Try an easel, as Spade did with this Lowell Boyers painting.

Translation: "Did I mention the clutter?"

[quote]There are plenty of antiques in this house, no question. But none of it feels old or stodgy. That’s thanks in part to Andy and Kate’s eye for color and shape. A few bright spots will make your place feel new, welcoming, and not boring AF.

Translation: "This place is boring AF. Oh, a bright blue cabinet!"

[quote]A good thing to take from all this, if nothing else: Make sure your house doesn’t stink. Get a candle.

Translation: "It smells like cigarettes and booze in here."

R190, very funny lol

I saw a video of her living room. she has a table full of cig boxes. so stupid and ugly.

[quote]Women don’t hang themselves. Look up the stats if you don’t believe me.

Well, if the stats reveal that more than zero women have hanged themselves, you are wrong.

My guess is both heavy boozers. She gives off a low self-esteem vibe - never a full smile, a little awkward. He seems like a sadist. My guess is she stayed with him despite his sadistic personality because of her low self esteem. Sad - I actually feel bad for her. The daughter looks like she took after the sociopath father - so she’ll be ok a la Lisa Marie Presley or Frances Cobain - f**d up but rich enough not to have to deal with it. It ain’t easy being a post-50 woman - or a post-50 gay man.

I actually like their apartment, apart form the tchotchkes. It does have a homey feel to it. Some of the art in the foyer is by well known artists. I like that she doesn't mention their names, but what is in the art. Anyway, she seemed sweet.

Kate Spade was a very New York thing if you lived in NY in the 90s. If you walked around Soho you were bound to see the store. Her bags were popular.

It’s sad that she wasn’t able to flee NYC and find happiness living somewhere that is pleasant. Death may have been her only escape from the city.

[quote]R158 WTF is that strange thing to right of the fireplace, in the apartment picture.

It's a glass dildo the husband liked to sit on.

So Avicii, Verne Troyer, Scott Hutchison (lead singer of Scottish band Frightened Rabbit) and Kate Spade have all committed suicide in the space of about seven weeks. As did Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington last year. It makes you wonder if families of celebrities are just more open about their loved ones' cause of death nowadays, and this kind of thing was commonplace in the past as well.

The thing with ambitious people is that they never achieve something and sit back to enjoy it. The thing that propels/compels them to achieve in the first place doesn’t go away. A Type B like me is content with less, so we don’t achieve much and if we did, we’d stop at a certain point. It’s not about the money.

That’s why we can’t get rid of Oprah.

[quote] Also that Crab Pouf keychain is $80

It must taste delicious!

She was distraught about the cancellation of "Roseanne."

I think their apartment is absolutely beautiful and amazingly chic. I’d love to move in exactly as is.

The video was hard to watch. She seemed tipsy and Andy was a complete ass.

Her hubs pings! Beard/merkin?

R184 - I 100% agree.

And I would theorize that his contemptuous attitude poisoned the daughter against her mother. He probably did it deliberately.

I’ve seen his type before.

Maybe her housekeeper quit, and she faced dusting all the endless picture frames herself?

r179 and r182, my friend's mom was having lunch out with her friends (literally, ladies who lunch in suburbia), excused herself from the table, went up to the roof of the building and jumped. No one she was with had any indication that anything was wrong.

So coincidental that she was an answer on Jeopardy last night.

The plot thickens, r207!

So young

So, they die of suffocation with this method, right? Not such a bad way to go considering lots of people apparently do this on purpose to get off. They pass out for a minute or so from lack of oxygen and then someone wakes them up. The dead ones just stay unconscious I suppose and then die from lack of oxygen to the brain.

Her new Feckless Cunt line was put on hold.

Andy pings.

There was just one last thing she needed to hang in her closet.

From the videos you get that she was super sweet and cool but the husband comes off as a hideous asshole

I bet he's responsible for her death.

Andy suffers from small man syndrome.

I bet he savors all the “wins” he gets each day from having the last word, clever put-downs, and barely veiled barbs.

He no doubt deludes himself and believes this is aristocratic and languid wit.

Insufferable poseur.

They were a couple with no lips between them and he has those awful horse teeth that show even when his mouth is closed. Yuck. He is fugly as sin. And ITA--gay, gay, GAY!

in her death note. she told her daughter it's not her fault. that's what daily mail is reporting.

wow. daily mail is also reporting the husband was in the apt when she took her life!!!

Welp, it was her fault then

r217, can't imagine what the tween is going through. :(

Where is the interview with the daughter?

source told police her death was over relationship problems

God, this is so sad/fucked up.

I like the apartment, too, except for that painting over the fireplace that everyone hates.

She comes across as rather vulnerable and unconfident in her interview @ R33. She seemed obviously upset that her only child that she gave up her job to raise (for 9 years) wasn’t showing her equal affection and didn’t seem to need her anymore (or at least from her PoV).

The husband appeared distant. He kept referring to her in the 3rd person: “Let’s hear what SHE thinks”. Why refer to your life partner, who is sitting right next to you, in the 3rd person?

Perhaps she just felt isolated, lonely and not needed by anyone anymore. So she went back into the fashion business. But her old sold-off company is now often an inside joke (too flowery and saccharine cutesy). And her new fashion line didn’t do too well, maybe?

r221, daughter was not on the show with Kate and Hubs. Kate mentioned that she and her daughter were inseparable until recently as the teen is shunning her or something like that. Her hubs said the girl isolates from her parents even at home... Also, I thought Kate was slurring either from pills or booze.

her apt is on 77th and park ave.

gee...you wonder. David spade is supposed to be well hung...what about the bro? same genes...

R228 Now is EXACTLY the time to ask that very question.

perhaps Maggie Haberman can find out for us.

r225, very perceptive observation.

The [italic] Houston Versailles [/italic] killer strikes again

I'm noticing a lot of Kate Spade bags today. I bet I won't tomorrow.

unless her demise increases the value, r232.

Eh, every parent gets shunned by their kids when they hit the teen years. You don't kill yourself over it.

Why, R232? It's not like people are going to throw them out.

Sometimes I wonder how people live comfortably in these over designed houses.

Also I saw some of her stuff at TJ Max in LA recently. That didn’t bode well, I thought.

This will tarnish the brand now. The Co that now owns it made a statement that Kate has not been a part of the CO for several years= damage control.

"Eh, every parent gets shunned by their kids when they hit the teen years. You don't kill yourself over it."

A person who gave up their identity essentially and trapped in a loveless marriage and possibly a substance abuse problem do.

i still some people carrying her bags on the street. They go for the same style but it's cheaper than the expensive brands of similar styles...i suppose. not sure.

She was a gross human and walked around like she was Picasso as a creative human.

Good riddance.

R225, good analysis.

When she was mentioning wanting a book for how to handle pre-teens, my heart went out to her. It’s a difficult dynamic, and the relationship may have been sabotaged by her husband. I hate to pile on the guy without knowing him, but I’m just saying it’s possible. Petty people do that shit all the time.

You're and asshole r240

You should look in the mirror on occasion, R240. You'll see something dehumanized and grotesque.

Although the housekeeper found her, I'm sure she was hoping Andy would be the one. She might even have hoped he could have found her "in time" and rescued her -- who knows. A suicidal person does not think rationally.

HANGEDBAGS!

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r236, the Kate Spade brand has been at TJ Maxx and Marshalls for years. So has Marc Jacobs and Michael Kors.

[quote] Sometimes I wonder how people live comfortably in these over designed houses.

The dont really live there. They travel a lot, go out to eat and to parties/galas/pressers/interviews. They have other houses, usually LA and the Hamptons. Maybe London or Paris. Many of their properties are for investment purposes. They only use the bedrooms and kitchen. Rich people don’t hang out in their living rooms not watching TV (there’s never a TV in their living rooms).

R245, Kenneth cole....gee, whatever happened to his useless brand? nothing special.

R247 I remember the years inNew York when these designers would not be found on the same planet as a TJ Maxx. And you had to pay to even say the words “Vera Wang”. But this was in the late ‘80s and ‘90s. Things sure have changed. The hubris was something to see.

Pain of/From living is the common denominator. Whether or not she had "alienation of affection" from her daughter, acute depression is what would have drove her to the act. A confession: Until a couple a months ago I was living with chronic/excruciating pain that was only partly managed by the opiate pain relievers I took. I was given very little hope of relief or alternative treatment till I saw my new specialist and it had gotten to the point that I was contemplating suicide. This, despite the fact that I have two young teens (and a partner) and I knew what irrevocable damage it would do to their lives. I simply could not go on. Thank God literally I found my new specialist and he offered me a new diagnosis and treatment. I have surgery in a week.

I'm here if you need me, DL.

Was she the model for Dl Legend Karen Walker?

[quote] I live on the UES and quite a few recent rich-lady suicides have been defenestrations.

Anyone we should know about and discuss?

R251, so glad you have a new lease on life. No snark.

R72 Very sad but that dress is a fashion disaster. It looks like a rejected costume from Willy Wonka! Was she depressed because she was related to Queen Charles Blow? I would be if I was related to him as well.

[240] Is that you Andy?

R251, happy to hear you find someone who can help.

My college best friend offed herself last year because of a similar issue--and the only specialist for her problem in the entire country was not taking out-of-state patients.

Getting the right healthcare in this country is sometimes terrible.

Tee Hee!

I want to clarify that I wasn't making assessments of the couple or their apartment as I was much as was translating the catty subtext in the pictures' captions.

-R190

R112, you're welcome. Those kinds of posts drive me nuts...

It's not the dark, twisting abyss of her life, spiraling to a point of no return, beyond which only darkness and demons lie! It's just a closeup of the artist's anus.

W&W, r252.

She looked like sean young!

R254, there was Jean Stein. And Margaret Fagenson. And Lindsay Jacoby. And a woman in my building who didn’t jump from high enough and survived. And another who didn’t make the news but I passed by shortly after it happened.

And many more than one would ever imagine.

R190, I thoroughly enjoyed your translations and welcome any future masterpieces.

She stumbled over her words trying to tell the interviewer what she'd changed her own name to? (and I think it was her original name) And her husband mispronounced part of her name?? (Noel - she corrected him when he said No-'elle) Weird people.

I have read every posting .. its always the same. NO ONE KNOWS. .......i am so perplexed by her death. R13,R92,R160 I just dont get it. if you have money. i feel you can get yourself out of anything. i had money, i always changed things, got massages, got sex, did something to change my mind set. i am close to her age and make sure i work out everyday. eat really well. but still daily i think of when it might be time to check out. the carbon minoxide thing seems the best. unless you take your roomate with you and their dog by accident like the kid did last week. that would be horrible.and a man dying by a scarf around a door handle would be just too too disgusting. anyway, i figure, (cause it usually is) a money thing. even the Mellon that died in rehab in mexico. , drugs, or avici, alcohol. yes they had money. but they were not thinking clearly . otherwise there is no reason to kill youself if you have money and no reason to be depressed if you have money. lots of it. so kate spade must have been murdered which is what my sister said.

That is one ultra-chic apartment. Just beautiful.

Her husband seems cold.

If she did in fact tell her daughter this is not her fault, that could be a revenge thing against her and the hubs? Her daughter will be so damaged by this

What is her husband’s ethnic background?

Austrian?

Fashion designer Kate Spade left behind a note telling her daughter that she should not blame herself for her suicide, according to police sources.

The missive was discovered after the handbag maven’s body was found in her Manhattan apartment Tuesday.

Kate Spade’s husband, Andrew, was home when the suicide was discovered, according to an AP report.

The couple’s 13-year-old daughter, Frances Beatrix Spade, was at school, according to the AP. Sources said that, among other things, the letter contained a message to the teenage girl, telling her the suicide was not her fault.

No criminality is suspected, NYPD Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea said at an unrelated press conference.

“At this point, there was a note left. The contents of that note, as well as the physical state of the apartment and the comments of the witness, lend to the credibility that it is an apparent suicide,” he said.

With Post Wires

R265, terrible about all of them--especially the animal rescuer.

Someone in the neighborhood was quoted in the NY Post article on Jaocby saying this--

"It’s a nice neighborhood, “but there are demons everywhere,” another passerby added."

I, too, considered hanging myself when I saw her fireplace.

Yes, it is, R269. It's actually very tasteful, isn't it?

animal rescuer?

Where was Sarah Jessica Parker?

They probably regretted selling the company so early, I didn’t realize they completely exited more than a decade ago. These were ambitious working professionals - not old money. Not sure they were equipped to handle lives of quiet leisure, more like quiet desperation apparently. Booze doesn’t help. Not surprised their new ventures weren’t panning out. Lightening rarely strikes twice in fashion.

R277, the lady who jumped named Fagenson donated very generously to multiple animal rescue organizations.

R11 here again. All I can add is that I agree with people here who say that Andy Spade seems a bit shady, controlling, devious, deviant. Something isn't right with him.

Here’s Kate and her daughter, Frances Spade.

Not sure how old the kid is here or what she looks like now....

If it’s “relationship problems”, I’m guessing it’s got to be the relationship with the husband.

That she could write a suicide note and kill herself undetected by her husband who was right there inside the home with her might speak volumes about the state of the relationship.

[quote]Don't know about her fashions but her home furnishings could be nice -- though often found at Tuesday Morning shops and the like.

I have two of her/their lamps that I got for $50 and $75 at Marshall's. The tag said compare at $200. I thought, yeah, that sounds about right. Then I looked at the same lamps on her website going for $525 and $700! NO ONE in their right mind would pay that much. The quality isn't THAT great (in fact it's average, but they do look nice).

This small table lamp is $630!!!

also its important to note. the article said "the maid found her unconcious"and they rushed her to hospital where she died. thats the biggest fear , is that you dont succeed.. god that would be horrible and maybe you are damaged, cant walk or something and dont have the ability to try again

Kate looks very tired and yes, a little bombed on booze or pills in the video at r33. Andy's bitchiest moment in that video, if you ask me, is when he pointed out that he was wearing a pair of jeans that belonged to Kate in college. No middle-aged woman wants the world to know that her skinny, bitchy, likely-gay husband can fit into jeans she probably outgrew 30 years ago.

It’s really too bad that Dominick Dunne is dead.

r286 very true. Surviving with brain damage might be worse.

One woman who jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge shot herself in the head on the way down ... just to be sure, I guess.

Andy seems like a certain type of scammer and con artist, along the lines of Claus.

I rather liked her, really sad. I hope he wasn't gay and leading her on, as I have heard people say it over the years.

What’s with all the hangings lately??

Can’t these Hollywood types just score some Fentanyl?

So Avicii, Verne Troyer, Scott Hutchison (lead singer of Scottish band Frightened Rabbit) and Kate Spade have all committed suicide in the space of about seven weeks. As did Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington last year. It makes you wonder if families of celebrities are just more open about their loved ones' cause of death nowadays, and this kind of thing was commonplace in the past as well.

**If only this affliction would strike the Trump family**

Anyway, very sad for this woman; kids with parents that commit suicide suffer problems the rest of their lives & have a very high rate of suicide themselves. You can only assume that she was incredibly depressed to do such a thing to her only daughter. Even if the kid is/was a snot, they generally grow out of that at some point.

Verne Troyer killed himself?

RIP to this fine lady but who?

[quote]hope he wasn't gay and leading her on,

Given that they met in college in the 80s, I don' think you could call it "leading her on" at this point. Wouldn't surprise me, though, if their marriage had long ago evolved into an "arrangement" that maybe she was never that happy about.

The daughter is fug

The daughter is a cunt bitch from hell!

"Bea - I have always loved you. This is not your fault. Ask Daddy!"

Guys, the daughter is a kid. Let's leave her be.

Have they charged the daughter with murder yet?

And, R213 hits it out of the park. This is why I love Data Lounge.

R296 Many people are so deeply closeted and in such denial that they wait till later in life to have a gay relationship. Not everyone is so evolved. Two families I grew up alongside had parents who began gay relationships very late in life; their partners were dumbfounded and quite devastated really. One gal's mum had five children, and was married for nearly forty years or longer... before leaving my friend's father to move in with her new girlfriend of less than two months. It happens more often than people realise.

"It’s really too bad that Dominick Dunne is dead."

Oh, he would have the scoop and then some.. Miss that man .

Chelsea Clinton and Ms. Midler have paid small tribute to her. All of NYC is talking of nothing else.

[quote]The daughter is a cunt bitch from hell!

The daughter is probably a typical teen, you asshole.

R283 I agree that her committing suicide while the husband was home is very strange. And she didn't do it at 3 am when he was asleep either, she was found at 10 in the morning, unconscious.

News via Twitter:

Andy Spade, the husband and business partner of late fashion designer Kate Spade, was looking to purchase a new apartment in New York City in the months prior to his wife’s suicide.

According to our sources, in mid to late 2017, Andy was shopping for a new one or two-bedroom apartment in Manhattan. We’re told he viewed several available properties around the city during that time.

Page Six is reporting that the Spades had a troubled marriage and sources tell The Blast that the couple had been having problems.

Was she gay or just a betrayed straight woman. She doesn't give me gay vibes though

R308 Interesting. So maybe he was leaving her and she really did want him to find/rescue her?

In the video when he said he was wearing her jeans from college, I wanted to smack him. Have some respect for fucks sake.

r311, There was so much tension . No wonder she was self medicating .

Kate's eyes look very sad and empty in the top pic..

R300 = frau

r314= Vicious queen

The daughter looks a bit like Dennis Franz

R314 = blocked W& W for R315

Fraupocalypse!

Thank you r317 :)

I need to watch the video of him. I always got gay vibes from his appearance alone...

The hubby pings-pings-pings!

The WebsleuthFraus have found the thread.

[quote][R296] Many people are so deeply closeted and in such denial that they wait till later in life to have a gay relationship.

Well, no shit, r303, but Kate and Andy Spade were Manhattan fashion designers, not Ma and Pa Kettle from Nebraska. If Andy is indeed gay, there's no way Kate was with him for 35ish years, believing all along that he was straight and attracted to her. At some point, she would have figured it out (or he would have told her) and no way would he just recently have begun fooling around with guys. If he IS gay, my guess is the romantic/sexual part of the relationship ended a zillion years ago (perhaps to Kate's dismay), but they decided being a married couple was good for the brand.

R322 Little Devonte can rest for awhile at least

In the interview, they seem like quirky business partners, I would have put money on him being openly gay. There’s zero chemistry there. They both seem medicated or high functioning anxiety.

[quote]So maybe he was leaving her and she really did want him to find/rescue her?

I don't know about rescue, but she definitely wanted him to find her as a big, fat 'fuck you.'

I once sat next to Kate on an overnight flight from NYC to Milan. She didn’t look up or utter a word to anyone that I remember.

Maybe she didn’t want to be recognized.

R326 He's not going to be very popular for a while.

She possibly was gay

Which one of the O'Hara sisters will play her in a movie?

If Andy is like his brother David , then I bet he was douchey AF.

"I once sat next to Kate on an overnight flight from NYC to Milan. She didn’t look up or utter a word to anyone that I remember.

Maybe she didn’t want to be recognized."

Extreme anxiety and or withdrawal or socially awkward

Heavens knows why they got together. He seems contemptuous of her in public appearances. I often wonder in relationships where contempt is evident whether it was always there or if it gradually seeped in. Ive seen dating couples gay and straight where its clear they dont respect each other, yet they think that is 'normal'. Like respect would not be a cornerstone of a commitment of any kind. Wonder if the Spades were like this. They clearly stayed together to maintain the brand.

I feel for the daughter . She is a teen in the elitist of the elite in NYC higher social class... This poor kid is surrounded by phoney people who will use and exploit her....... Not to mention the guilt she will feel. It really is not her fault !!

It's very odd that Andy was awake in the apartment, completely unaware that his wife was hanging from a doorknob...

Was ot a kate spade scarf?

It kind of is though, r334.

She knows what she did...

"It kind of is though, [R334].

She knows what she did..."

I was referring to her daughter . What Kate did was extremely selfish. You can't check out with kids or pets.

No sympathy for this selfish cunt. Her note to her 13 year old was cruel and abusive.

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You can take the kids or pets with you. That's the humane thing to do.

wow, can't believe she wrote "ask daddy"

Almost positive the husband fell in love with a side piece, and wanted out.

Women don’t kill themselves just because they’re depressed. They kill themselves from either having chronic, untreatable, physical pain, or the end of a relationship, in which they do not want to let go of their partner/spouse. Some women fall of the edge if they lose a child unexpectedly, but that’s pretty much it.

If there’s drinking, or drug use, it is usually a coping mechanism for whatever emotional loss the woman is facing. But women do NOT usually kill themselves over money. L’Wren Scott’s primary reason for suicide was that Jagger was done. That obviously was the tipping point, on top of the money woes.

9/10, women commit suicide from loss of a relationship, whereas men do so over loss of status, money, etc.

I’m sure that note is mostly directed at her husband, and part of it to her daughter, absolving the daughter of any responsibility, etc.

If it was over a mistress, she left everything to the daughter, unless she committed suicide on a whim, under the effects of drugs and/or alcohol. But that is highly unlikely, since women are planners by nature, so suicides are usually thought about for many months, before they happen.

This may not have been her first attempt.

I’m sorry for her kid. She will be fucked up for the rest of her life unless she gets really good therapy.

20 days of #WhereIsMelania - and she breaks her silence because a handbag designer kicks it.

R323 I think you have been brainwashed with your idea of flyover people from DL! Londoner here, born and bred, as were my friends' closeted parents. They were just as sophisticated as NY fashion designers, (if not more so) from better families, and with more impressive educations. You are stereotyping closet dwellers. Many a marriage have gone platonic too in time without one partner assuming the other plays for the other team. I don't know why you need to pick at so many of my comments. It is fine to disagree, but I don't care for your air of superiority. I have directed nothing toward you to provoke.

r343 is an idiot who knows nothing about women and suicide

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From daily beast--

"A source close to Spade said the designer was just weeks ago touring her daughter Frances Beatrix’s boarding school as part of “revisit” day."

So the daughter was not "at school" that day. (In the sense that she's never not at school.)

I remember the photos of McQueen's body being carried out of his house: he looked so impossibly small (under a sheet) on the gurney.

How do you hang yourself from a doorknob?

Some interesting quotes from fashion people saying everyone in the industry is a mess--

Husband had a film production company; David Spade well know Hollywood pedobear; Niece was probably a member of NXIVM cult.

Something's rotten in the state of UES.

R340 - actually, yes. A cunt.

[quote]This is not your fault

“Oh, good. That makes it all better “

"ask homo Daddy what the problem is?"

Maybe it said A. Skdaddy, the name of her embalmer of choice.

"No sympathy for this selfish cunt. Her note to her 13 year old was cruel and abusive."

Exactly! it was for narcissistic vengeance ...

Listen, I've been suicidal for years. I understand how intense the pain can be.

But to do this to your daughter who has JUST become a teenager is straight-up, beyond-the-pale evil.

Fuck this cunt. She should be remembered with the same reverence as a murderer.

Do we think her soul was sucked into the creepy painting hanging over the fireplace?

r343- hates women.. and is queening out

Article in the Daily Beast was chilling. Says there is more to come. Retail is in a downward spiral.

Sometimes life turns on the smallest things.

"Listen, I've been suicidal for years. I understand how intense the pain can be.

But to do this to your daughter who has JUST become a teenager is straight-up, beyond-the-pale evil.

Fuck this cunt. She should be remembered with the same reverence as a murderer."

I agree and now PC libs will just explain it away as mental illness. This is similar to trans ideology .

I am a "PC lib," so go fuck yourself, R362.

[quote]Women don’t kill themselves just because they’re depressed. They kill themselves from either having chronic, untreatable, physical pain, or the end of a relationship, in which they do not want to let go of their partner/spouse. Some women fall of the edge if they lose a child unexpectedly, but that’s pretty much it.

Please do us all a favor r343 and shut the fuck up. You don’t know shit about women.

[R362] I got a scarf you can borrow.

[quote]TMZ is reporting that the note read: 'Bea - I have always loved you. This is not your fault. Ask Daddy!'

Lord have mercy. I assumed some DLer made up the text of the suicide note, but no, that's actually what TMZ reported. Insanely CUNTY, indeed.

Oh, and hello, anti-trans freak show at r362; I knew you'd find a way to work your favorite topic into this thread. Why stop at such a low-drama assertion, though? Maybe Spade killed herself because she was distraught that her daughter was just a boring cis girl and not a trendy trans kid with her own custom pronouns?

A quote from article--

[quote] He continued: “It’s terrible for the industry because no one respects anyone anymore and no one loves anyone anymore and no one is listening. There is no place lonelier than the top. There is always down. I think we are going to see more and more of it.”

Even so, it's not like they didn't have money. They must have had, after taxes, a good 50 or 60. Why not leave fashion altogether? Get some new friends and acquaintances, leave the city.

R287 Yes!!!! That is the most bitchy comment he made, about the fact he was now wearing jeans she wore in college .

Obvious from video he had huge contempt for her . Made me feel so sad. She was obviously tipsy from booze/overly medicated and he couldn't move far enough away .

Her daughter sounds normal . I have one who loves me dearly , but they all go through this I hate you my parents , especially my mother .

As a mom you have to get it together enough , some way , to understand that the love your daughter feels for you is boundless.

So it's the maybe-gay-hubby who drove her to suicide? Really?

r368, if this was the case, and it makes complete sense, why with her mega wealth and the age of women empowerment not leave him ? I think he is a creep of all creeps

Who?

R343, here. I’m a woman who DOES NOT hate women, and I know of what I speak. I’m also the one who posted above, and mentioned that I worked with her sibling.

The husband was fucking someone else and wanted OUT, and was willing to fight tooth and nail for half of everything, and have a nasty, long, drawn out divorce.

I wonder if these super rich society women are on appetite suppressants. Speed will fuck with you mentally over time.

R372, did she have real friends? A support system of any sort?

R372, do you know if he's fucking a man or a woman?

I don't know that it's ever fair to say one person drove another to suicide, r369 (after all, there are always other options for leaving a bad relationship), but the note plus the fact that she did it while he was in the apartment make it clear she was very angry with him.

Had no idea kate spade was a real person. And tory burch too?

depression messes up your thought processes. she probably thought her daughter would be better off without her. we have no idea what their relationship was like. when i tried to kill myself i thought i was doing everyone a favor.

ALL CAPS!!!!!!

Am I supposed to know who this woman was?

R245 made me guffaw.

I hope you are well now r378. My suicidal brother used to say the same thing. I appreciate your wisdom. I never understood it until his final attempt put him out of his pain. And I finally understood his point when I was more or less told to let it go after obsessing over his death for several years. Someone like you does more good educating the rest of us.

We live in a society where there is no right or wrong and no responsibility .

hugs r382. I am sorry you had to go through that

I loved their apartment and art collection.

The "ask daddy" note sounds like she just scribbled it out in a crazed rush. I wonder did she just have an arguement with husband. Apparently he was in the next room (sort of) when she killed herself. I can imagine she was in place of profound distress, unbalanced, frightened, distorted thinking etc.

[quote]What do you think the note says?

Goodbye?

Honestly I prefer the Dunst loft, R385

I don't like that mauve paint on the walls R385. Sorry.

A doorknob is about 3 feet from the floor. How do you hang from that? Could someone please explain?

For all we know, "ask daddy" meant he knew she had early onset Alzheimer's. But I suspect it was nastier than that.

What role did Kim carnes play in this?

She's dead.

That's sad

Moving on.....

R390, Robin Williams hung himself from a door handle also. Apparently, you attach yourself and let yourself go limp, I guess.

I never cared for Kate Spade's purses, but she also had a line of eyeglass frames, which I currently bought. They're nice.

I saw the video of her living room and entry way area. Stuffed with shit. crap.

Totally shows she's from flyover land. gotta lay out everything on the tables and just stuffed with utter crap

Appreciate r372’s insight. I agree.

I think she was a bit too old to deal with adolescent behavior and took it to heart. Also, it seems as if she balked at her partners inference that they shared the same level of input regarding the work/business. In video at R33, she reminds me of a larger, older version of Téa Leoni. She came across as extremely down to earth and honest. RIP

Her husband looks evil because he doesn't have any eyelashes.

R386 that was my first thought.

[quote]A doorknob is about 3 feet from the floor. How do you hang from that? Could someone please explain?

Someone needs to write out the complete instructions for this procedure and post them on under the Help menu, given that death-by-doorknob seems to be trending among suicidal celebrities and no one on DL ever understands how it works. In the meantime, there is some info here:

[quote] It must be awful to feel that your parent chose to leave you at such a vulnerable age.

Tell me about it!

Do you tie the rope or scarf around the inside doorknob, drape the rope/scarf over the top of the door to the outside, close the door and then stand on a stool, tieit around your neck and kick the stool away?

If it's not the daughter's fault whose fault is it? Did the note say? Kind of rude to keep us hanging like this.

R403, too soon...

If she really wrote "Ask Daddy," she might might just dethrone George Sanders as my suicide role model!

Some very bitter and evil people are posting on this thread ..

I always thought she and brittle Tory Birch were the patron saints of the crafty / Michael’s type frau, the one who dreams of being a designer. Judging by all of these replies and the fish infestation, I guess I’m right.

What the hell is a "fish infestation"?

Some of us lesbians are on DL ALL THE TIME.

It must be related to choosing a doorknob as your Higher Power.

She had a lot of baggage

@R372 - I knew it!

The body language between them in the Francis Valentine video (posted upthread) says it all.

So do we think the “ask daddy” implies that her husband drove her to this? It has different meanings depending on how you read it.

R408 Lezzes are OK. I was talking about fraus.

I didn’t think lesbians were into that twee Kate spade shit.

More of the apartment

how we know it twernt murder?

had she caught her hubby cheating?

The police still haven't let me dust the room.

Get over yourself, r403.

Will all the humorless frau cunts kindly fuck the hell off?

"It must be related to choosing a doorknob as your Higher Power."

LMAO AA and other 12 step PROGRAMS with take umbrage with this post

Sorry, that was meant for r404.

- r417

[quote] Will all the humorless frau cunts kindly fuck the hell off?

Has asking people to leave Datalounge EVER worked? Ever? Even once?

Has Tory Burch commented yet?

R417, I didn't think it was humorless. By acknowledging 'leave us hanging,' i thought that post was joining in the fun?

The “ask daddy” comment makes me think it was a rash decision done in rage. She probably caught him in the act or found incriminating evidence of longterm deceit and he said something unbearably cruel, the last straw.

R420 --Ask Muriel

This thread started out with lots of merry jokes and then it took a turn for the humorless frau cunt.

That apartment is clutterfrau hell.

Why did she make herself look so old with the beehive and Carrie Donovan glasses??oj

"The “ask daddy” comment makes me think it was a rash decision done in rage. She probably caught him in the act or found incriminating evidence of longterm deceit and he said something unbearably cruel, the last straw.' IF this is really her final note, she is fucked up cruel! But it will all be excused under the guise of mental illness..

" IF this is really her final note, she is fucked up cruel! But it will all be excused under the guise of mental illness".. This was supposed to be a separate post .

Upthread someone said that Andy Spade was in the next room to where she committed suicide. Why didn't the maid that found her go into THAT room & notify him? Instead the maid went all the way downstairs to tell the super of he building that she was dead. Why didn't the maid call 911? The Super tried to revive her and couldn't.

My thoughts: Maid spoke Spanish, no one in the apartment spoke Spanish? Also, Latinos know to call 911. Why didn't she?

If I was going to kill myself I would use Fleets Phospho soda until everything was clear. I'd make sure to pee so nothing would be left in the bladder (sit on toilet, bend forward, pee).

I wouldnt want to be found in a puddle of my own yellow or brown

Interesting, r429...

[quote] Upthread someone said that Andy Spade was in the next room to where she committed suicide. Why didn't the maid that found her go into THAT room & notify him?

Yeah, because everything you read about an incident that took place a mere few hours before is always 100% correct, right?

Why is there a big blob of shit on my flip-flops?

If you're going to hang yourself from a doorknob, you have but two possibilities for a suicide note: "Do Not Disturb" or "Maid Please Make Up Room." Based upon who discovered the body, it's obvious the late Mrs. Spade chose the latter. Elementary, my dears.

Get that maid's papers!

Sewn young.

[quote] "I once sat next to Kate on an overnight flight from NYC to Milan. She didn’t look up or utter a word to anyone that I remember. Maybe she didn’t want to be recognized."

I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of the American public has any idea of what she looked like.

[quote]One woman who jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge shot herself in the head on the way down ... just to be sure, I guess.

Now THAT'S what I call multi-tasking!

R438, that’s just showing off.

I still don't know how one hangs oneself from a doorknob with a (fashionable) scarf. How do all these celebrities know this trick?

R401, ohhhhh, you reminded me of Ted Hughes’s wives suicides.

Assia Wevill’s suicide was a huge fuck-you.

Someone said people like this do not spend time in the living room. Andy Spade:

"I spend most of my time in the living room, just because I like to read and sit down and write. I like it because it’s the most open room with the fireplace, and it’s the most comfortable. I lived in tiny spaces most of my life in New York so I don’t like to stay in those often. If [I could choose a] second room, it would probably be the red room, which is where our library television is. Katie says, ‘Oh, don’t call it the red room, it’s such a cliché.’ Well, the walls are red! And it’s a room!"

Looks like Andy’s new sidepiece will be the ultimate beneficiary of everything she accomplished. He has all the dough and real estate now. Well done Kate!

I always got her confused with Cynthia Rowley.

(Some of us lezzies own purses. Actually, my favorite is my Kate Spade, bought at Nordstroms, not TJ Maxx thank you very much.)

Cynthia is the one with a ghost in her house.

Kate is the ghost now.

R445

Then you paid too much.

Maybe the maid

was afraid

of Senor Spade...

R447, probably, but I like it. Kind of somber now, though.

It's a moot point now, r442, as she made her most consequential decision in the dying room. Only pocket doors could have saved her.

Looks like Andy’s new sidepiece will be the ultimate beneficiary of everything she accomplished. He has all the dough and real estate now. Well done Kate!

Or he killed her

"Then you paid too much." - Miss Fran Fine

There, I fixed it for you R447

[quote]If it's not the daughter's fault whose fault is it?

Honey, suicide is always the suicide's "fault," and no one else's.

So many people commit suicide in their mid-late 40s. It's as if they just get tired of trying and see nothing ahead.

" I have met Andy Spade in the past, in more of a professional manner, and I can't put a finger on why, but this news doesn't surprise me."

Well that's calling a Spade a spade.

I wish that poster would think it over and get back to us.

The "Ask Daddy!" is telling, she did it because of something he did and wants the daughter to know it. Pretty cruel if you ask me since now the daughter only has her dad left, not really the time to be blaming him for her death.

"f it's not the daughter's fault whose fault is it? Honey, suicide is always the suicide's "fault," and no one else's."

There are fags and there ARE gay MEN

You tie a slip knot in the scarf and put it around your neck. You hang the other end over the knob. You sit down. You pull the end hanging over the knob. It tightens the knot. You continue to pull the end and cut your air off.

People who kill themselves aren't selfish. They are in great pain

I'm still wondering how you hang yourself from a doorknob. That makes zero sense.

Conversation just got going on Voat/Pizzagate thread connecting Kate to Haiti scandal involving the Clinton Foundation, when Voat suddenly goes down.

Dun dun DAHHHHHHHH.

Voaters, why not continue the conversation here?

she also wrote " i have always loved you" to the daughter i presume.

she left the note to her daughter.

Feel sorry for that girl - she better tow the line fast, the Spade men don’t seem like especially nice guys...and now he controls all purse strings.

What a sad story

Thank you r459

"People who kill themselves aren't selfish. They are in great pain"

Not when they have a teen child and not when they have financial means to seek help.

A lot of suicides are due to narcissistic anger and self pity.. This was REVENGE

R467 = clueless

It must have been her fibro. She couldn’t take it any more.

R469- queen

[quote] she better tow the line fast,

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

Maybe her daughter had been having her own mental health issues, causing strife within the family. Is that why Kate Spade took "time off to be with" her daughter? Maybe Spade is telling the daughter it has nothing to do with that, and to ask her father. I also think that the "ask Daddy" was passive-aggressive and related to his imminent moving out of the apartment and the marriage. Sad story, and it WILL fuck the kid up for sure. After the grief, there will be intense RAGE at her mother for abandoning her.

I can't believe she quit the job to raise her daughter and she turns out to be such a cunt. She became a frau and let her body go. Her husband's eyes wandered elsewhere and she was gonna lose half of everything in the divorce. well, she wasn't gonna let him win. she was gonna come back to haunt him. red scarf...

R445 - Lezzi here. I do not own a Kate Spade Handbag, but I do have a nice bright red Kate Spade Wallet. It's a year old and has held up amazingly well. Looks brand new. Although, I did make sure I got one that has a leather interior (cloth fabric is wearing)

That being said - I wouldn't be caught dead carrying one of her handbags. I just really disliked them. For handbags I alternate between my Frye., RL, and Gucci for nicer occassions.

However I NEVER rotate wallets. Kate Spade for the wallet WIN!

Why kill herself? She is just doing her husband a favor. He most likely doesn’t give a shit.

Snark and bitchery aside, this story is unbelievably sad...damn

she was gonna lose him anyways but she wants him to be miserable. she wants him to be blamed for her death. At least that's what she wants...the way she wrote the note. she wants her daughter to blame the father. she wants to fuck up their relationship. he will probably have the money but he won't have peace of mind.

R474, you’re full of shit. Men cheat because their dicks get tired of the same hole.

You should know.

R478 - you have encountered assholes in life before, right? I live just a few blocks away and I can almost hear his shit-eating grin...

Red scarf = he had it coming.

R476, he might not care that she’s gone, but he cares that he looks like the bad guy. I saw r33’s video of him acting like a sour little cunt.

He’s not going to live this down and he’s got the Claus com Bulow taint now.

^^ Von Bulow

Wish there were an edit function...

“Men cheat because their dicks get tired of the same hole.”

Men cheat because they can. This sad sack of a husband surely will have no problem finding a woman with low enough self esteem. Women are raised to have low self esteem and keep their expectations astronomically low.

Kate's sister gave a very candid interview today to the Kansas City Star newspaper. Kate had mental issues and alcohol issues the last few years and they were trying to get her treatment at the same facility that treated Catherine Zeta Jones. I can't seem to post the link but mAybe someone else can

What a waste. If he wanted to leave, she should have let the bastard take off with half the money and then replaced him with a hotter, younger model. The world is full of dick!

R343, R372 - I like both of your posts. Do yourself a favor and do not post any more of the insider info here. You wont' get thanks, you will get more vitriol thrown at you. This is not a kind place, at all.

won't ^^^

"This sad sack of a husband surely will have no problem finding a woman with low enough self esteem. Women are raised to have low self esteem and keep their expectations astronomically low."

True, but the younger generation is defying this

Link to the article that R485 referenced.

I hate to be puerile, but Kate's sister's surname is SAFFO!

Carry on.

Sales of the Kate Spade Exit Bag are going to skyrocket.

Thanks, R490. I wonder if the sister will spill the beans on Kate's husband:

[quote]"I will say this was not unexpected by me. I'd flown out to Napa and NYC several times in the past 3-4 years to help her to get the treatment she needed (inpatient hospitalization). She was always a very excitable little girl and I felt all the stress/pressure of her brand (KS) may have flipped the switch where she eventually became full-on manic depressive . . . .

[quote]"I'd come so VERY close to getting her to go in for treatment (to the same place Catherine Zeta-Jones went for her successful bipolar treatment program). I'd spoken with them on the phone (not telling them exactly who the patient would be). They agreed to fly in and talk with her and take her with them to the treatment center.

[quote]"She was all set to go — but then chickened out by morning. I even said I (would) go with her and be a 'patient' too (she liked that idea) I said we could talk about it all — our childhood, etc. That I could help her fill in any blanks she might have . . . .

[quote]"That seemed to make her more comfortable, and we'd get sooo close to packing her bags, but — in the end, the 'image' of her brand (happy-go-lucky Kate Spade) was more important for her to keep up. She was definitely worried about what people would say if they found out."

[quote]Spade's husband and business partner, Andy Spade, assisted in trying to coax her into treatment, making plans on how it would work and who would take care of their daughter, Frances Beatrix, known as Bea, Saffo said. "Nothing ever came of it."

[quote]"After numerous attempts, I finally let go," Saffo wrote. "Sometimes you simply cannot SAVE people from themselves! One of the last things she said to me was, 'Reta, I know you hate funerals and don't attend them, but for me would you PLEASE come to MINE, at least. Please!' I know she perhaps had a plan, but she insisted she did not."

[quote]Saffo said her sister was at a hotel in Santa Fe when she saw the television news report of Robin Williams' death.

[quote]"We were freaked out/saddened," Saffo said, "but she kept watching it and watching it over and over. I think the plan was already in motion even as far back as then."

[quote]Saffo ended her email about her sister:

[quote]"She was a dear little person. So dear — so kind, so funny. I'll miss our 6-7-hr-long phone conversations between NY and NM.

[quote]"I'm off to bed for a good cry."

[quote]get her treatment at the same facility that treated Catherine Zeta Jones.

That’s a great facility. Cathy Zeta became 20 years younger during her stay there.

Shallow sis

Shallow maybe, but definitely exhausted...

Her sister sounds like a world class cunt!

“She was a dear little person.”??

What a trashy whore!

The article linked at R340 quotes her sister that KS suffered from untreated mental illness for a long time. And that she was obsessed with the story of Robin Williams suicide.

Both her sister and husband encouraged her to seek treatment but each time, KS would back out at the last minute because she worried that if it came out it would "hurt the brand".

“This sad sack of a husband surely will have no problem finding a woman with low enough self esteem. Women are raised to have low self esteem and keep their expectations astronomically low."

True, but the younger generation is defying this”

Not really, look at Rhianna staying with a man who beat her. Women pornifying themselves, same old same old.

Wow! She’s the 3rd designer to hang themselves. Alexander McQueen and LWren Scott too. Strange that she chose the exact same way as L’Ren and Robin Williams to kill herself. But the doorknob hanging it’s the easiest way to hang yourself. Scott tied the scarf around her neck and then on the doorknob. Once it’s tightened you sit on the floor and lean away from the closed door til you pass out. Then your body goes limp without a severe body drop and gravity takes over to finish choking you the rest of the way out. Death within 15-20mins. And with little damage to the body they can still look amazing in a coffin for viewing. Vanity til the end

The sister sure loves her superfrau ALL CAPS for EMPHASIS.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

What if the vulgar, unwashed side piece that caused the Ruiz divorce/muder/suicide in Houston was also seeing KATE'S husband, and now caused THIS ? ? ?

[quote]That she could write a suicide note and kill herself undetected by her husband who was right there inside the home with her might speak volumes about the state of the relationship.

My husband and I share a 2 story house. On weekends, sometimes we don’t see each other for hours. I could easily kill myself in a room next to his without him finding me until the next day.

Goddammit this link at 493 has me mad and changes EVERYTHING. At the risk of being ridiculed, I will reveal I am a frau with bi-polar disorder. When I got married I made A PROMISE to my husband that I would be vigilant about my mental health issues. One's need and responsibilitu for self-care increases exponentially with a partner, and even more so a child. Self- deluded, narcissistic bitch.

Watch the supercunt sister make a play for the sinister gay husband and his ill-gotten millions.

You heard it hear first.

We know you’re a frau, r505.

Because you, like all fraus, emphasize in ALL CAPS.

[quote]R286 they rushed her to the hospital, where she died.

Because the husband ripped her breathing tube out at the first op, probably.

Why wasn't Dr. Phil consulted? He fixes things scientifically at the PNP Center with Dr. Frank Lawlis and maybe a 2 month stay at ONSITE Treatment CENTER, the number one dual diagnosis center in the country. There is no such thing as mid-life onset bipolar disorder. Just unhappy people who drink too much but have enough money to act crazy.

R503 - I love u and want u inside me NOW!

Sapphic sis had been sedated by her doctor husband when she sent that gossipy email to the paper. So if she sounded a bit rambling and indiscreet, that’s probably why.

I know/knew Kate. This isn't surprising, but it's still devastating. She was a lovely human. Felt trapped by her fame, and felt like a fraud in recent years. She never intended to be what she became. Say what you will, but she was a good one.

This could spark a wave of Frau suicides.

[quote]Her sister sounds like a world class cunt!

Well, she is justifiably pissed that Kate never agreed to go into treatment because of "the brand," but yeah, it probably would have behooved her to wait a few days before talking to a reporter about the situation.

Some of the info the sister conveyed is rather curious. Like, she thinks the pressure and stress of running KS pushed Kate into full-blown mental illness, yet says Kate had been having problems for just 3 or 4 years—at which point, Kate was about 7 or 8 years into her sabbatical from the business. I also have to wonder why Kate and Andy decided to launch a new business in the middle of Kate having all these problems.

Thanks for sharing, R512. She did seem lovely.

[quote]I also have to wonder why Kate and Andy decided to launch a new business in the middle of Kate having all these problems.

Maybe they thought focusing on a new business would be of help.

r512 What was it she never meant to be but became anyway?

Help me to understand this: the housemaid found KS hanging from the doorknob in her bedroom. She then ran downstairs to the doorman or concierge, who came back upstairs with her to cut KS down and perform CPR. So...where the heck was her husband during all this? He was supposed to be at home per reports.

R514, you said pretty much everything I was going to. Hasty statement in the heat of the moment. She should have slept on it.

However, I despise when people criticize the family for someone’s addiction or suicide. I know firsthand from both sides that you can’t force someone to change.

[quote] I know/knew Kate. This isn't surprising, but it's still devastating. She was a lovely human. Felt trapped by her fame, and felt like a fraud in recent years. She never intended to be what she became. Say what you will, but she was a good one.

But in what sense a fraud?

PS To the person about the "dear little person," lots of us elder siblings think of the youngers as "little people" even when we're all adults.

This whole thing smells funny

People who kill themselves are NOT thinking clearly, rationally, thoughtfully, etc. That’s why they kill themselves. Why do people refuse to understand this and namecall the dead? The survival instinct is the strongest instinct. Killing oneself is not easy to do and one has to be far gone to get to that point. Go ahead and try it.

Mental illness is awful

I don’t know her.

Who is she??

She sewed purses or something?

[quote] R300 Guys, the daughter is a kid. Let's leave her be.

So was I, [italic] only a kid. [/italic] I learned early! Life goes by too fast. You've got to know how to compete and WIN.

I don't want her growing up a spoiled Hollywood brat just because she's Crawford's daughter.

I still don't get why 911 wasn't immediately called. Also, if she had to be cut down then obviously she wasn't sitting. I'm so confused.

R518, I don’t understand, either. What I imagine is that the building wouldn’t want police and ambulance screeching up there if it could be avoided.

The household staff and building staff are probably close. In fact, in our building, the wife of a longtime concierge has a housecleaning and babysitting gigs with residents. I’d imagine someone like her instinctively running to someone they’re familiar with and trust. Keeping it in the family until it’s obvious they have to call in authorities.

As for the husband, I don’t even know. Maybe he was passed out.

R525 OMG. Lmao!

R512 here. I want to be respectful of her. She often expressed that she wanted to be "more." She felt at odds for many years. She'd intended to contribute more, and expect more, from those around her. She was not mentally ill. At all.

The sister spilling her hot take all over the media the day of Kate’s death is some low-class, trashy Okie behavior.

Is she Pentecostal?

R521, what part smells funny? That the maid didn’t call 911 first?

"The sister spilling her hot take all over the media the day of Kate’s death is some low-class, trashy Okie behavior.

Is she Pentecostal?"

Possibly AA member .

[quote]R308 Andy Spade, the husband and business partner of late fashion designer Kate Spade, was looking to purchase a new apartment in New York City in the months prior to his wife’s suicide.

With his Houston BOY WHORE, no doubt.

Between the sister, the husband, and the daughter, Kate seemed to be surrounded by grasping, cunty grifters.

To add to R491’s insightfull analysis, found a pic of sis:

"Between the sister, the husband, and the daughter, Kate seemed to be surrounded by grasping, cunty grifters."

How the fuck is her tween daughter a "grifter"? Lighten up.

R535, thanks for the picture. that's a fucking cunt whore for sure, check out the cold sore. gross!

[quote]R529 She often expressed that she wanted to be "more."

No....Be BEST!

That is way.

........

Blow me, frau r536.

The daughter told her mother she (Kate) “hadn’t done anything with her life.”

[quote]I still don't get why 911 wasn't immediately called. Also, if she had to be cut down then obviously she wasn't sitting.

Where did this info even come from? Who says the housekeeper didn't call 911 immediately?

[quote]R307 And she didn't do it at 3 am when he was asleep either, she was found at 10 in the morning, unconscious.

What an EARLY BIRD!

I'd at least want to [italic] sleep in [/italic] on my last day on earth.

[quote]But in what sense a fraud?

Sometimes famous people fear that they will be "found out", that they will be seen for the "frauds" that they themselves believe to be - I am not nearly very talented and I don't deserve this success, fame, money, adoration... It's the inner critic, it's the self-destructive part of a person talking.

r540, HATES WOMEN. He must lust after masculine straight dick and he is disgruntled .

I bet the husband hated her because she wasn’t Old Money, because he remade himself and she was a constant reality check of where he came from.

R544 = ALL CAPS enraged frau

[quote][R535], thanks for the picture. that's a fucking cunt whore for sure, check out the cold sore. gross!

Oh, dear. Where does one begin...

[quote]I bet the husband hated her because she wasn’t Old Money, because he remade himself and she was a constant reality check of where he came from.

His brother is famous grotesque douchebag David Spade; how far from his roots could Andy expect to get?

Oh Jesus Christ on a Cracker...

Dear sweet R543, sometimes we on DL ask insiders, when we are lucky enough to find them amongst us, for their opinion--as friends who were close to the situation. We want first-hand, inside info; not the common cliches, and we certainly don't need the generic DL poster (and reader of Psychology Today) to explain that cliche to us.

God damn it.

I stand by my theory, r548.

R529, thank you for your answer and sorry for the loss of your friend.

r531 it's strange that the housekeeper didn't immediately run to KS's husband for help and to let him know what was going on, considering he was supposedly in the apartment. The apartment while spacious couldn't be that huge.

Instead she went all the way down several floors to the lobby to bring up the doorman for help?

R524, maybe the poster at R512 means that Kate felt like a fraud as a designer since she never formally trained as one. I always knew that she wasn't a designer in the technical hands-on sense, but I always appreciated her eye, her unique style and point of view on lifestyle matters. She seemed proper and traditional, but casual and fun. She hearkened to another era, I think, where people entertained at home and sent thank you notes, but weren't show-offy (i.e. Triscuits and cheese at your cocktail party).

She and Andy did a great job portraying their vision in the ads, packaging, and store designs. This "Visiting Tennessee" ad campaign from 2002 was very memorable for many. It doesn't date either. Like their apartment, it's traditional with an eccentric edge that can stand the test of time. I'll miss her for sure. After she and Andy sold the company the brand turned into a little bit of a caricature of itself. The new stuff they were doing with Frances Valentine was pretty interesting -- the shoes more than the bags. But the styling of the models is very fresh and fun and in line with Kate and Andy's aesthetic.

What I can't understand is why she'd say her daughter thinks she "never did anything" in fashion or the work world. Her mother's name is everywhere, in every nice shopping district across the world!

R540, there’s nothing meaner than a teenage girl. They are breathtakingly cruel sometimes.

Like flaming gay guys r554

R553, thanks for posting that.

[quote]R398 Her husband looks evil because he doesn't have any eyelashes.

He sold them, along with his soul.

R553, it's R512 here. You're spot on. The maternal dynamic was enormous.

Poor housekeepers. It’s always the housekeeper.

The specifications contained in her Will should prove to be interesting and how such will be executed.

As far as Life Insurance policies are concerned, there are usually stipulations addressing 'Suicide' related to the principal.

Her husband and her sister could use her form of death as verification she was mentally incompetent; hence her sister's shitty, immediate expose.

What a mess.

Andy Spade’s Hamptons Manor

R553, I’m the one who says teenage girls are mean (they very much are. I was one.)

And probably to her daughter, she was just “mom”. She wasn’t around for the meteoric rise, didn’t see her working and creating. She wasn’t in awe of her the way others may have been. Many years ago, I was friends with the daughter of an A-list entertainer. She was unimpressed with the person who was worshipped by so many. She shrugged off all the praise. Reminds me of the way Martha Stewart’s daughter got married at City Hall in a gray suit.

Monday. Be prepared. Andrew McCabe seeks immunity in exchange for testimony. Huma Abedin's "Life Insurance". NXIUVM. McCain. Tuscon. Mayor Rothschild. Cemex. It's coming.

Give us a fucking break.

R564 6/11.

Sneering & Twee Little Andy rode her coattails all the way to the bank, so this is working out quite well for him.

His charming attitude no doubt rubbed off on the obnoxious daughter. Always does.

He popped from the same hole as Joe Dirt - what else can we expect?

Grifters gonna grift.

[quote]R453 Honey, suicide is always the suicide's "fault," and no one else's.

Right. Just like it's your own fault if kids made you feel bad when they hazed you in school.

It's all so simple!

Handbags?

R512, very sorry for the loss of your friend. If Kate didn't have mental issues then why would her sister indicate that Kate struggled so much these last few years? I wouldn't think a family member would do that , especially on the day of their sibling;s death. Something feels so sad and odd about this tragedy.

I guess in the weeks to come more info will come to light. (I'm sure Vanity Fair will have a tell-all piece at some point)

Who invited R543 to this party?

[quote]I'm sure Vanity Fair will have a tell-all piece at some point

We don't do that sort of frivolity any longer.

The sister could be in shock, r571. Processing it all. Despite the revealing words, emotions take time to catch up.

A lot of what's being posted here is just plain mean and outright lies.

One of my friends worked with Kate when Kate was an accessories editor at the now defunct Mademoiselle magazine. Kate was always friendly, super sweet and bubbly to everyone she dealt with. No one had bad word to say about this woman, ate least not from Mademoiselle. People who didn't know her personally have no fucking clue WTF they are talking about.

That's the problem with gossip, a good deal of it is utter bullshit.

I have to wonder what sort of demons led a talented decent kind woman to such depths. RIP.

Her greedy asshole family, r575.

Count on it.

r540 must think anyone who isn't a name-calling sociopath is a "frau"

Getting back to the basics of this task...do you put the open end of the scarf on the doorknob and close the door or put it on the open door knob?

The sister talking in the article about Kate's mental health - is that the sister that someone upthread said was a bitch or another sister?

r578 = Life of the Party.

The housekeeper might not have called 9/11 because it wasn’t a bloodbath and she didn’t think to. My family’s housekeeper is as dumb as a box of rocks and I doubt she would think to call immediately.

Name calling? On DL??

Well I never!

[quote]Getting back to the basics of this task...do you put the open end of the scarf on the doorknob and close the door or put it on the open door knob?

That's been answered upthread. Beside, surely you can Google that one yourself.

Some of you seem to get off on suicide.

You sit on a block of ice and wait for it to melt.

So one person here says she wasn’t mentally ill (can you explain?) while the sister claims she was obsessed with suicide, abused alcohol and they’ve tried for years to get her help.

Also R575, I don’t think anyone here is saying KS wasn’t a “friendly, bubbly person” in her past but that note is quite evil, to her daughter. She could be a good person who was in a manic, enraged state of mind.

husband screams closeted

[quote]why would her sister indicate that Kate struggled so much these last few years? I wouldn't think a family member would do that , especially on the day of their sibling;s death. Something feels so sad and odd about this tragedy.

An unpleasant person would, or a clueless person, or a jealous person

I couldn't believe that she would say negative things like that about her sister as the news was breaking. Some people will, though...

I meant - will say things like that...and to a newspaper

Exactly, r587.

[quote]To those speculating about her looks: She’s got Irish genes. Hence the dark hair and ruddy complexion.

And the not wanting to live anymore.

[quote]I couldn't believe that she would say negative things like that about her sister as the news was breaking. Some people will, though...

She didn't say negative things about her sister in the sense that she criticized her sister's character. What she did is she revealed her sister's struggles. I think one is different than the other.

I am always surprised how in our society we cannot deal with honesty, and that's what her sister was in her statement - honest. Why is honesty something we reject with so much discomfort?

Thanks for the comments by the people who knew her

deep down, she probably resented her daughter. she gave up her career to be a mother full time but wasn't being appreciated...hence drinking to numb the pain. who knows. maybe pills as well. fucking cunt of a daughter.

so glad I don't have kids.

Why don't know if that sister was being "honest" - those are purely her comments.

[quote]Some of you seem to get off on suicide.

Death is the terrible thing waiting for all of us. Strangy sexy for some reason.

speculation of course - maybe he didn't hear in the other room because he drank too

Hey, you're pretty Strangy sexy, too, R595

Still completely baffling. She had MILLIONS. GODDAM would I be having fun with that no matter how bad things were.

R597, come sit next to me!

I am an intelligent person...but I am not sure if I really understand the scarf/door method...though the person upthread who mentioned leaning back came the closest to explaining it

Agreed, r594.

[quote]Why don't know if that sister was being "honest" - those are purely her comments.

You don't need to know and you cannot know, you were not there. It's not about you. It's about the best way that her sister knew how to deal with the devastating news - and she did it in a way that felt honest to HER.

It had to be a profound depression, so deep she couldn't see her way out of it. No way would a stable woman leave behind a 12 yr old. No way would I kill myself over a partner. I think it was deep depression likely accompanied by some sort of drug or alcohol abuse.

Twice in my life I went trough serious depression with suicidal ideation. So I deeply empathize with anyone who considers taking his or her life. Many people do, every single day .... so stop mourning because she was rich and known to some degree (never heard of her before).

r539 is that a hint?