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Happy Pride Month from our woke millennial friends!

Here’s something I just saw on the story of a blonde female baby millennial I follow. She is pretending to be bi for the time being, so that allows her to post this. Posted in two parts.

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by Anonymousreply 180July 8, 2018 1:17 AM

Part 2

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by Anonymousreply 1June 4, 2018 3:42 AM

I am surprised any sex worker would chose the name Marsha P. Johnson.

by Anonymousreply 2June 4, 2018 3:44 AM

No mention of gay men anywhere?

by Anonymousreply 3June 4, 2018 3:45 AM

New G&L organizations are way overdue.

by Anonymousreply 4June 4, 2018 3:45 AM

So you’re literally a monster unless you concede that pride means celebrating black trans sex workers. They are the only LGBT people who matter, and you’re a Nazi if you disagree.

That’s how you get ahead in the virtue signaling Olympics.

by Anonymousreply 5June 4, 2018 3:46 AM

This shit used to make me angry, now it makes me feel sad and kind of indifferent. What is our plan for moving forward. Any new orgs are likely to be co-opted into the T Army, I mean, they took over the National Center for LESBIAN Rights. Still, cannot just roll over, what next?

by Anonymousreply 6June 4, 2018 3:48 AM

Are we supposed to align ourselves with sex workers now? How soon until we add SW to LGBTetc.?

by Anonymousreply 7June 4, 2018 3:55 AM

Prostitution is anti-women and there is certainly nothing pro-lesbian about it

And you are supposed to ignore all the photos of white men fighting the police at Stonewall

The "trans" push is a push to wipe out homosexuality, aimed at the young and even children

How many Orwellian lies are accepted and repeated by the internet-brainwashed know-nothings. And it is all regressive - hooray!

by Anonymousreply 8June 4, 2018 4:00 AM

Of course, her name is Kadence.

by Anonymousreply 9June 4, 2018 4:01 AM

R7, I am sure there is some group of letters where it is already there

by Anonymousreply 10June 4, 2018 4:01 AM

R7, Huffpost says it is the same thing

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by Anonymousreply 11June 4, 2018 4:02 AM

it's the most wonderful time of the year!

by Anonymousreply 12June 4, 2018 4:05 AM


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by Anonymousreply 13June 4, 2018 4:09 AM

The twitter of that Huff Po article’s author is basically a self-satire:

[quote]MA Magazine Journalism. BA English Literature. Intersectional feminist. Queer. Bi. Greyro. She/her. They/them. Editor + director @StandUpMag_

She/her, they/them — lol!

by Anonymousreply 14June 4, 2018 4:09 AM

what is greyro

by Anonymousreply 15June 4, 2018 4:10 AM

[quote][R7], Huffpost says it is the same thing


by Anonymousreply 16June 4, 2018 4:10 AM

There’s so much anger surrounding Pride the past two or three years.

by Anonymousreply 17June 4, 2018 4:10 AM

By the way, grey-ro, because millennials have to categorize every slight preference or day to day feeling:

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by Anonymousreply 18June 4, 2018 4:12 AM

It's amazing how people who've never done anything but post memes now have all the answers.

No, OP's friend, a whore did not get us rights. A rich white dead lady's widow sued the government and won marriage rights.

You were two busy intersectionalizing cock in a dorm room.

by Anonymousreply 19June 4, 2018 4:13 AM

That is so childish, R18. It really sounds like 12 year olds

by Anonymousreply 20June 4, 2018 4:14 AM

[quote] No mention of gay men anywhere?

Of course not!!! gay men -- and in particular WHITE gay men -- are the enemy.

I've seen this nonsense posted all over FB in the last three days. We are being written out of our own history. It's a clever little ploy that will likely be successful for the same reason that LGBT organizations are now mostly focused on trans/queer issues. The majority of people will go along because they don't know any better, and it appears to be the "progressive" thing to do. Plus, if you dared to speak out and correct the history -- there were many people at the Stonewall that night and a majority of them were white, gay men -- you are condemned as a trasphobic racist.

It's odd, isn't it, that Marsha Johnson and Sylvia Rivera (the other often referenced trans person at Stonewall) threw the bricks, but then . . . nothing. That appeared to have ended the involvement, in any significant way, of trans people in the movement for LGBT equality for the next 40 years.

by Anonymousreply 21June 4, 2018 4:14 AM

I think it is disgusting, too, R21. That is what tyrants and thugs do -destroy history.

by Anonymousreply 22June 4, 2018 4:16 AM

Ultimately both LGBT and sex worker rights will wind up in the same grab bag of issues and activism because both groups are governed by the same Puritan minded set of laws, as well as targeted by the same Puritan minded people who advanced them.

Still, I'd like to paste Kadence in the face with a pie for implying that I'm some sort of monster because I haven't found a suitable way in which to support my local black trans sex workers while being suitable guilty for being "privileged " due to the random circumstances surrounding my birth.

In which decade did people go from uniting, 50 years ago, to being shrill, infighting, overly sensitive little bitches?

What date or decade was the tipping point?

by Anonymousreply 23June 4, 2018 4:17 AM

The most outrageous lies are going on now at "LGBTQ+++". There has never been a movement so thoroughly infiltrated. It is now anti-gay, anti-lesbian, anti-white. And supports harming children.

by Anonymousreply 24June 4, 2018 4:19 AM

R20, there’s a movement in millennial and gen z circles to convey a class upon every slight mood or preference.

Because if you’re a member of a class you can be discriminated against.

And in modern progressive circles, you’re either oppressed, or you’re apologizing and groveling because you’re not.

by Anonymousreply 25June 4, 2018 4:19 AM

[quote]R7 Are we supposed to align ourselves with sex workers now?

Well, don't we already, with all the porn threads?

by Anonymousreply 26June 4, 2018 4:20 AM

You are right, and that is really sick, R25. It is a mentally-ill cult.

by Anonymousreply 27June 4, 2018 4:21 AM

WTFromantic (or Quoiromantic) is a term to describe a person on the aromantic spectrum who does not see the lines between romance and friendship. Other definitions include: cannot define romantic attraction and therefore do not know whether they experience it, have emotions between platonic and romantic attraction, or want to be in a queerplatonic relationship.

Quoiromantics may differ from grey-romantics. Grey-romantics fall somewhere along a line in between alloromantic and aromantic but quoiromantics may not be on the line at all.

by Anonymousreply 28June 4, 2018 4:24 AM

Kadence Cole is parroting the same talking points of that shrill group of smug, arrogant assholes who last year decided it was their right to shut down Pride parades around the country: no police; no corporations; no pride!!

by Anonymousreply 29June 4, 2018 4:24 AM

March on! Don't let them stop the parade!

by Anonymousreply 30June 4, 2018 4:26 AM

This alphabet soup which continues to dilute and extinguish gays and lesbians is problematic, to say the least. I'm a lesbian but I wholeheartedly agree with R21 - they are trying to erase White gay men or villainize them to the point they are becoming outcasts in the gay community.

by Anonymousreply 31June 4, 2018 4:26 AM

PBS did well with "Stomewall Uprising", a few years back. It appears to be a balanced statement with interviews from surviving members of the riots.

If it doesn't play on your local station during Pride Month you can stream it below .

Not sure Kadence would like it because it's rational and even-handed in presentation .

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by Anonymousreply 32June 4, 2018 4:30 AM

r29 in fairness, that's on *us*, GLBs, for allowing it. (And yes, I'm including myself in that criticism).

BTW, are the Stonewall trannies actually transgender, or were they what used to be called trannies-aka drag queens-aka efems who were not body dysmorphic?

by Anonymousreply 33June 4, 2018 4:30 AM

The political concept "transgender" did not exist back then

by Anonymousreply 34June 4, 2018 4:33 AM

[quote] there’s a movement in millennial and gen z circles to convey a class upon every slight mood or preference.

You’re crazy. I’ve never heard of this.

by Anonymousreply 35June 4, 2018 4:36 AM

But were they what we would now call it, i.e. truly tormented by the feeling they're 'in the wrong body'?

I thought they were just drag queens who lived it more intensely but still thought of themselves as male. I've seen/read accounts that claim both.

by Anonymousreply 36June 4, 2018 4:37 AM

OP, you’re also an idiot troll with no life. All you do all day is start divisive threads. Do you get paid or do you just have no life?

Your other thread:

[quote] Is it wrong/culturally insensitive to put croutons in Thai cocoanut soup?

by Anonymousreply 37June 4, 2018 4:38 AM

Oh god one of those desperate stalker trolls. Yes my humorous thread about Thai soup was a bid to DIVIDE DL!

by Anonymousreply 38June 4, 2018 4:40 AM

These children are so pig ignorant and destructive, but most annoyingly they spread lies as facts

by Anonymousreply 39June 4, 2018 4:41 AM

Pride exists because of a trans womyn sex worker of color... who had severe gluten sensitivity!

by Anonymousreply 40June 4, 2018 4:43 AM

^^ R39

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by Anonymousreply 41June 4, 2018 4:43 AM

Why are you even following some blonde female baby millennial anyway? It seems like you just want an excuse to feel outraged.

by Anonymousreply 42June 4, 2018 4:44 AM

This thread has all of the words which infuriate the conservatrolls. Woke! Millennial! Black! Trans!

Keep feeling triggered.

by Anonymousreply 43June 4, 2018 4:46 AM

R43 Can you fuck the trannys please? Cause nobody wants to as they are mental and needy as fuck, so take one for the team please?

by Anonymousreply 44June 4, 2018 4:50 AM

Marsha P. Johnson had a dark "male" side that would come out as a nasty, vicious man.

"Though generally regarded as "generous and warmhearted" under her Marsha persona, Johnson's dark side sometimes emerged under Johnson's "male persona as Malcolm",[39] often resulting in Johnson being hospitalized and sedated.[27] During those moments when Johnson's violent side emerged, according to an acquaintance Robert Heide, Johnson could be aggressive and short-tempered and speak in a deeper voice and, as Malcolm, would "become a very nasty, vicious man, looking for fights".[39] This dual personality of Johnson's has been described as "a schizophrenic personality at work".[27] A 1979 Village Voice article titled "The Drag of Politics" by Steven Watson reported that Johnson's saintly personality was "volatile" and listed a roster of gay bars from which she had been banned.[27] At the time of her death in 1992, Johnson was said to be increasingly sick and in a fragile state, according to Wicker.[40]

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by Anonymousreply 45June 4, 2018 4:51 AM

[quote]Why are you even following some blonde female baby millennial anyway? It seems like you just want an excuse to feel outraged.

Really? I have to justify why I’m following this girl on IG? Someone’s really off their meds this evening. (Or hormones or whatever.)

by Anonymousreply 46June 4, 2018 5:01 AM

Wait a minute- so Marsha P. Johnson... she was really Nipsey Russell in drag, right?

by Anonymousreply 47June 4, 2018 5:02 AM

R43 lives in a world in which you’re either chrysanthemum tran or you’re alex jones.

by Anonymousreply 48June 4, 2018 5:04 AM

Block r43 and see what happens to the thread. Lol!

by Anonymousreply 49June 4, 2018 5:06 AM

R49 Wow, she is obsessed with the trannys, their own cheerleader, buying their bullshit

by Anonymousreply 50June 4, 2018 5:07 AM

R23 It was the 2000s. It was getting bad around 2005, it was much worse by 2010 and is unbearable now. There were seeds planted earlier but all the aggressive destruction started with the rise of the internet.

by Anonymousreply 51June 4, 2018 5:11 AM

There needs to be Gay Pride only. No alphabet, BTQ, etc...

Gays need to organize.

The trannies can do their own freak show, sex worker pride thing.

by Anonymousreply 52June 4, 2018 5:16 AM

I have no problem with trannies being part of Pride. Trannies and titty queens were friends and a welcome part of the community for the last half century -- but what the fuck ever this new bullshit is, it isn't welcome.

by Anonymousreply 53June 4, 2018 5:31 AM

Bizarrely, my millennial SJW "woke" friends have also assigned ALL progress for gay people to the now accepted "trans women of color" mythology!!

They are too dimwitted to see the divisive homophobia introduced by the t*r*a*n*s-cultists! They also say that only femme gays have ever given us our rights and that anyone "masc4masc" has dome NOTHING!

When they look at the hundreds of photos of the Stonewall Riot nights, how do they explain that the crowd is 95% white, and that their unicorny "trans women of color" do not appear? They love to point out Marsha P. Johnson as some revolutionary, rather than as a mere by-stander, and later a homeless legend who had no means of support other than her inflated and ever-changing story of Stonewall. I REALLY want to give them a piece of my mind, but these things never end well.

by Anonymousreply 54June 4, 2018 5:39 AM

r51 I was an early adopter when the internet started, even before the web (remember usenet?). For me, it really got out of control with social media, not the internet per se. Back in the usenet, hobby forum and techboard days, there were assholes, but nothing like this FaceBook uber alles narcissism.

The privileged, white male disruptor tech-holes created an anti-democratic framework on which to place all the acquisitive social striving.

YMMV of course.

by Anonymousreply 55June 4, 2018 5:52 AM

Marsha p Johnson never identified as transgender either. More of a gender bender. I think one of the last recorded interviews that Johnson did he identifies as male.

Silvia Rivera didn’t identity as transgender either and hated the word.

by Anonymousreply 56June 4, 2018 6:05 AM

"Trans" also includes Transvestite, ducks.

by Anonymousreply 57June 4, 2018 6:13 AM

Trannies are not homosexual , they are straight males wearing dresses and females with some yaoi fixation. Fuck trannies 😠

by Anonymousreply 58June 4, 2018 6:33 AM

Once again, any time a black trans is mentioned she is always a "sex worker." Yeah, I know that Marsha P Johnson was more of a gay man-drag queen, but the trannies today are so invested in all trans woman of color being in immense danger due to their trans-ness,

It's because they are prostitutes for Christ's sake you numbskulls. ANY street hooker is in imminent danger---it's not a danger unique to trans women. Knowing that, why don't you all get other jobs? Or doe you want to be sex workers so you can dress like hookers and fulfill your fantasies of what you think a woman is?

by Anonymousreply 59June 4, 2018 6:52 AM

R47 I love you

by Anonymousreply 60June 4, 2018 7:00 AM

And here are some words of wisdom from "Kim Nixon" that accompanied a picture of Johnson and Rivera (note the inclusion of sex workers in the first sentence):

[quote] Kim Nixon June 1 at 3:18pm These are the faces of Pride: our Black and POC transgender sex worker godmothers, putting their lives on the line for liberation. It was Marsha P. Johnson, throwing "the shot glass heard round the world" rather than accept being pushed out of hard-won queer space. It was Sylvia Rivera, who with her friend Marsha, co - founded STAR, Street Transvestite Activist Revolutionaries, a self-funded group home for runaway or homeless transgender people, or anyone in need. They were living intersectionality before it had a name. These women risked their flesh and bones, their lives and livelihoods. They died poor. It was not an elitist party for wealthy white cis gay men. It was not about dress codes and signature cocktails. It was a riot, it was a revolution, and IT AIN'T OVER. [bold] So, if your Pride doesn't actively welcome and center trans, NB, Black, POC, women, femmes, and non-men, poor, homeless, and neurodivergent people, if your Pride is just a yearly party, move along, traitor. You're collaborating with the enemy. You're on the wrong side of history, and we will leave you in the dust. [/bold]

And now, the rest of us are being labeled as traitors who are "collaborating with the enemy."

The ultra-far loony left are no different than the ultra-far reich-wing nut jobs.

by Anonymousreply 61June 4, 2018 11:04 AM

People need to stop trying to make “Trans Woman of Color” happen. It’s so last year.

by Anonymousreply 62June 4, 2018 11:15 AM

At least we're not NZ yet.

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by Anonymousreply 63June 4, 2018 12:16 PM

The enemy is calling from inside the house. Wake up, people.

They took our openness, our giving nature and our sense of inclusivity (really starting to hate that word) to ride our coattails, to build their agenda on the backs of gays and lesbians (of all colors) who fought long and hard for our rights, to use our funds, to infiltrate and overtake our established non-profits, to undermine our agenda and to make White gay males and White lesbians the enemy of the alphabet soup community.

They have openly stated they are not gay and are offended if thought of as such. So why are they still a part of our community? Drag queens used to be fun guys who knew they were gay. Now it's considered an impeachable offense if you call a transwhateverthefuck gay.

I don't know about you guys but I feel like I left home for a bit and returned to a bunch squatters in my house telling me to get out or they'll sue me for treading on their property.

by Anonymousreply 64June 4, 2018 12:44 PM

And you do know that when they are talking about sex workers that does not include the white gay boys on rentmen.com. No. They are only concerned with trans and queer -- and preferably POC.

by Anonymousreply 65June 4, 2018 12:47 PM

I hate hate hate the push to "normalize" sex work, especially because a lot of it is coming from so-called feminists. The VAST MAJORITY of women worldwide in "sex work" are NOT there voluntarily.

Why isn't sex work seen as "rape culture"? What is the sex trafficking that culminates in sex work not seen as "slavery" to these people? Because that's really what it is.

by Anonymousreply 66June 4, 2018 12:55 PM

R64 is correct. But just to be clear, while we are the "enemy," and they want us to disappear, they still want the money and the organizational skills that gays and lesbians (of all colors) have. No visibility however.

So, yeah. Essentially, we've been robbed. This isn't a "let's join together for the good of all." This is "die cis scum but give us your money."

by Anonymousreply 67June 4, 2018 12:57 PM

[quote]When they look at the hundreds of photos of the Stonewall Riot nights, how do they explain that the crowd is 95% white, and that their unicorny "trans women of color" do not appear?

Or the many photos of the first Pride parade in 1970, which was 95% white and male. Where did all those trans women of color disappear to in just one year? It's a question of historical accuracy, not some modern agenda.

I've said this before on DL, but if the ACT UP/AIDS activism of the 1980s/early 90s hadn't been so meticulously documented, we would now be hearing how it was trans people who were solely responsible for that as well. Fortunately, there is way too much video/photo documentation for them to make such an outrageous claim. But if there wasn't, you can best believe they would be trying to change the historical record about that, as they're trying to do with Stonewall.

by Anonymousreply 68June 4, 2018 1:01 PM

Look at this Trans POC Greyro Queer Supercalafragelisticexpialadosses dying of AIDS in the 1980s and leading the way in the fight, while white gay men sat to the side because dey racist.

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by Anonymousreply 69June 4, 2018 1:04 PM

[quote] Really? I have to justify why I’m following this girl on IG?

Actually, yes, Snowflake, you do. Do you follow a lot of children?

by Anonymousreply 70June 4, 2018 1:27 PM

0/10, MTT @ r70.

by Anonymousreply 71June 4, 2018 1:28 PM

Trans don’t believe in science, they don’t believe in logic or facts, and they don’t believe in historical accuracy.

They need to be called out on their bullshit. Although at some point, their “movement” is likely to just self-destruct.

by Anonymousreply 72June 4, 2018 1:35 PM

[quote]I hate hate hate the push to "normalize" sex work, especially because a lot of it is coming from so-called feminists. The VAST MAJORITY of women worldwide in "sex work" are NOT there voluntarily. Why isn't sex work seen as "rape culture"? What is the sex trafficking that culminates in sex work not seen as "slavery" to these people? Because that's really what it is.

Exactly. And the "feminists" that are supporting it are not feminist. They are anti-feminist and anti-women. A lot money comes from men and groups who profit from exploitation, then they get some woman stupid enough to support it, and they are paid to say it in media/academia.

The same thing is happening to L&G - they are getting some in L&G and (a lot who are not who want to destroy what G&L have worked for) to say they support all this stuff that is anti-gay - the transing of young people/kids, the lies about G&L history, the G&L orgs and money turned over to T, the push for prostitution . This is serious political undermining and an attack. Some people are still too stupid to see it.

by Anonymousreply 73June 4, 2018 1:37 PM

In my own life, the trans movement has really separated out people who think for themselves vs. people who follow the crowd. I work in academia, and you'd be amazed how prevalent groupthink is here

by Anonymousreply 74June 4, 2018 1:39 PM

I know it is. R74, why are people in "academia" so STUPID?

I think the sexism and homophobia about trans is very OBVIOUS. Especially when aimed at children.

by Anonymousreply 75June 4, 2018 1:40 PM

I really don't know r75. I am in the humanities, and frankly, I think most people who are on the fence on the trans issue -- or *gasp!* even critical of it -- are terrified to speak up. You would be bullied, called out, shamed on social media (especially if a professor). I have seen this shaming first hand (with both trans and other issues). It's a mob mentality. And a lot of academics I know are afraid of conflict.

by Anonymousreply 76June 4, 2018 1:44 PM

[quote]BTW, are the Stonewall trannies actually transgender, or were they what used to be called trannies-aka drag queens-aka efems who were not body dysmorphic?

Marsha/Malcolm was a gay male drag queen. If you hear someone stating otherwise, ask them if they watched the recent doc on Johnson, ‘Pay It No Mind’ where he says as much, even a week before his death.

Ray ‘Sylvia’ Rivera was a con artist and violent felon. Before he hijacked the LG Rights movement, he had served time for beating up johns. He and his prostitute partner would lure men in and the beat them and rob them.

Rivera was never at Stonewall. If anyone wants to tell you otherwise, ask them why Marsha- who *was* there, though not at the beginning of the riot- had ALWAYS said Rivera was NOT there. Ask them who to believe and see the intellectual pretzel they twist themselves into having to declare one of their two beloved TWOC a liar.

Also, it wasn’t a brick, it was change from a busted parking meter.

by Anonymousreply 77June 4, 2018 1:47 PM

R76, The ones that I have discussed this with seem 100% brainwashed more than afraid to discuss it critically (but I am in Canada).

by Anonymousreply 78June 4, 2018 1:47 PM

People should memorize what R77 wrote. No one will know the truth soon.

by Anonymousreply 79June 4, 2018 1:49 PM

Thanks r77.

One other thing to add: From what I remember from various Stonewall researchers and historians, there are still arrest rosters and mugshots in the NYPD archives of those arrested during the riots- Raymond Castro for example. Of course, some of those arrested used aliases, but not all.

Other people have been verified through photos, contemporary news articles, etc. For the few verified people at Stonewall, the vast, vast majority were white or Latino young men and a few women. I have a feeling if those rosters and mug shots were released, they would further prove as much.

Again, another question to put it to those rewriting the history of Stonewall: If there were so many “TWOCs” (re: black men) participating in the riots, why weren’t more arrested? Don’t you think the circa 1969, admittedly racist NYPD would want to capture as many black rioters as possible, rather than going after all the white and Latino kids?

So either the NYPD cops were surprisingly unracist (lol) and overlooked the black rioters, or maybe this was mainly white and Latino gay street kids getting hauled in. Some might’ve even been targeted and beaten by the cops because they were *gasp* homosexual! Who knew the NYPD was unwilling to give a pass to gays and lesbians; it’s not like they’re an institution known for being homophobic /s

by Anonymousreply 80June 4, 2018 2:11 PM

Oops, I meant thanks r79!

by Anonymousreply 81June 4, 2018 2:12 PM

Was Stonewall considered a gay bar back then? Always thought it was.

by Anonymousreply 82June 4, 2018 2:15 PM

[quote]Fuck trannies

Ew gross; as if lol

Ts are unfuckable

by Anonymousreply 83June 4, 2018 3:46 PM

True, r64

Thumbed through a friend’s “Unitarian Universalist” magazine over the weekend & glanced through a tl;dr article by a “transwoman” who had been so lonely when he came out but was so welcomed by the UUs that he even got to attend an “all women’s” UU retreat.

I like my friend, and the UUs. But I am staying the hell away from them until they figure out this is bullshit.

I wonder how many other church magazines have pro T articles.

Pure propaganda & indoctrination.

by Anonymousreply 84June 4, 2018 3:51 PM

Yes, R84. I do not like or trust it at all.

by Anonymousreply 85June 4, 2018 3:53 PM

Exactlly, r66.

Prostitution is the exploration of poverty. People are so desperate for money they’ll do anything just to survive.

by Anonymousreply 86June 4, 2018 3:53 PM

You aren't even allowed to say the words "prostitution" and "exploitation" anymore. And you sure cannot talk about the reality of it.

It starts with the words, changing them or making them mean something else, or something meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 87June 4, 2018 3:58 PM

So a lesbian was recently ambushed outside a gay bar by “non-binary” females after referring to one as female.

The Grey Fox pub in St. Louis.

Not a peep from any gay organizations.

About a gay bashing. Outside a gay bar.


by Anonymousreply 88June 4, 2018 4:00 PM

R88 that is disgusting and infuriating. They did not talk about the attack on Magdalen Berns either. Do you know if it was trans that attacked her or just regular thuggish men?

by Anonymousreply 89June 4, 2018 4:08 PM

Non-binary females attacked her...waiting outside for her after the bartender kicked her out because he didn’t want to deal with “lesbian drama.”

The only info about it was posted on yelp. It has since been removed.

There’s a new yelp review (posted after the bashing) that says the Grey Fox Pub in St. Louis is “sweet” & accepting.

It’s not.

The Grey Fox Pub also comes up in google results for “lesbian bars in St. Louis.”

So...ladies, you might want to avoid gay bars from now on...even if the online reviews seem to suggest they are lesbian friendly. You may get bashed by a “queer,” and no gay advocacy groups will support you.

by Anonymousreply 90June 4, 2018 4:28 PM

You might want to avoid ANY bars in St. Louis, that place is a cesspool.

by Anonymousreply 91June 4, 2018 4:30 PM

r91 = Clark Griswold

by Anonymousreply 92June 4, 2018 4:32 PM

Yes, but any info on Magadelne Berns' attackers? Anyone know?

by Anonymousreply 93June 4, 2018 4:40 PM

Started a new thread specifically about the gay bashing at the Grey Fox Pub in St. Louis:

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by Anonymousreply 94June 4, 2018 4:42 PM

Trans activist bullies stop donations for schoolchildren

A feminist group concerned about the social pressure placed on children to become transgender has had its fundraising stopped after a “bullying” campaign by trans activists.

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by Anonymousreply 95June 4, 2018 4:52 PM

See Bullshit?

Say "Bullshit."

by Anonymousreply 96June 4, 2018 5:07 PM

Burns was attached by a man. Another man came to her aid and he was attached by the same perp.

by Anonymousreply 97June 4, 2018 5:11 PM


by Anonymousreply 98June 4, 2018 5:12 PM

I’m gay. That’s all I’ll ever be. Not queer. Not an acronym. If I see bullshit, I call it out. But I don’t go to gay bars anymore. They were ruined by too many straight women, mainly. So I don’t get many opportunities to see this anti-gay and lesbian chaos in person. I cringe whenever I see a “woke” person pretend they’re oppressed in the 21st c western world.

by Anonymousreply 99June 4, 2018 9:34 PM

[quote]R99 But I don’t go to gay bars anymore. They were ruined by too many straight women, mainly.

So basically, you hate everyone who isn't like you.


by Anonymousreply 100June 4, 2018 10:18 PM

Gay bars and lesbian bars were ruined by straight people but yes straight men don't care

by Anonymousreply 101June 4, 2018 10:24 PM

R99 You are right, i don't like "gay" bars anymore. 👏

by Anonymousreply 102June 4, 2018 10:31 PM

Do I need to deal with 27 more damn days of these gays saying Happy Pride? So sick of it. Get on with your lives. Christ.

by Anonymousreply 103June 4, 2018 10:36 PM

Listen you fucking cunt r100 gay bars are not places for straight women to go and treat gay men as if they're accessories or animals at the zoo, and to try and live out their pathetic Sex and the City and Will and Grace fantasies. YES, we don't like people who are not like us when they're total narcissistic cunts like you who don't really give a damn about gay men except to be accessories to make you feel "cool." Now fuck right off.

by Anonymousreply 104June 4, 2018 11:00 PM

Straight women need to respect our Safe Spaces and stay out of gay bars.

Nobody wants them there.

They need to take their Straight Privilege and go elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 105June 4, 2018 11:13 PM

[quote]R105 Nobody wants them there.

I do. An inclusionary environment is fun.

by Anonymousreply 106June 4, 2018 11:24 PM

R104 I'm not a girl, dimwit.

by Anonymousreply 107June 4, 2018 11:27 PM

men claiming to be trans or women do not belong in lesbian bars

by Anonymousreply 108June 4, 2018 11:30 PM

There used to be gay bars, lesbian bars and mixed bars

I do not think there are many lesbian bars left

by Anonymousreply 109June 4, 2018 11:31 PM

Wow, R61, this Kim creature is a true fantasist:

"It was Marsha P. Johnson, throwing "the shot glass heard round the world""

I thought it was a brick. Wait, it was supposed to be pennies. No, wait! It was a high heel!

FICTION. The whore wasn't even there.

by Anonymousreply 110June 4, 2018 11:33 PM

Marsha was there, plenty of witnesses to back that up. He didn’t start it however, and arrived well after the riot got going that first night.

It’s Sylvia Rivera and someone going by the name “Miss Major”-Something who claim to have been there but were not. According to Johnson, Rivera was passed out on smack in the park. His family contends that he was still living at home. No witness accounts, photos, or arrests for either Rivera or the Major person that weekend either.

by Anonymousreply 111June 4, 2018 11:44 PM

Sylvia Rivera herself said that Stonewall was not a drag bar. I can't find the quote right now.

by Anonymousreply 112June 4, 2018 11:47 PM

[quote]They did not talk about the attack on Magdalen Berns either.

When did this happen?

by Anonymousreply 113June 4, 2018 11:53 PM


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by Anonymousreply 114June 4, 2018 11:58 PM

"Thank you for reporting this @afterellen. @MagdalenBerns is a prominent cultural commentator and this horrific attack should have been all over the 'LGBT' press. Their silence is shameful."

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by Anonymousreply 115June 5, 2018 12:04 AM

[quote] So I don’t get many opportunities to see this anti-gay and lesbian chaos in person.

To be fair, R99, the woke, millennial anti-LGB shit isn't really taking place in the remaining gay bars. The Beckys and the Jennifers are more of a problem.

by Anonymousreply 116June 5, 2018 3:27 AM

"Marsha was there, plenty of witnesses to back that up. " - R111

Name one.

by Anonymousreply 117June 5, 2018 7:33 AM

R106, the gay bar where the lesbian got ambushed by non-binary thugs is not inclusive. It’s dangerous.

Check out the reviews on the Grey Fox Pub’s Facebook.

No gay media have reported on this GAY BASHING

by Anonymousreply 118June 5, 2018 12:55 PM

Read David Carter’s excellent, exhaustive account of Stonewall r117. He interviewed many individuals who were there and had access to the uncensored police reports and arrest records. His book was the basis for the PBS doc Stonewall Uprising. I trust his research and work:

[quote]According to David Carter, in the book, Stonewall: The Riots that Sparked the Revolution, it was stated Johnson on the first night, "threw a shot glass at a mirror in the torched bar screaming, 'I got my civil rights'", while on the second night, Johnson "climbed on top of a lamppost" and dropped a heavy object into the windshield of a police car. Carter listed Johnson alongside Jackie Hormona and Zazu Nova as being the "three individuals known to have been in the vanguard" of the escalation of the Stonewall uprising.

Side note: Jackie was photographed at Stonewall in the iconic NYDN photo. He’s the blonde surfer looking kid in the striped sweater.

by Anonymousreply 119June 5, 2018 1:48 PM

here he is, too

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by Anonymousreply 120June 5, 2018 1:56 PM

found this blog

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by Anonymousreply 121June 5, 2018 1:59 PM

1969 and early 1970: members of the New York Gay Liberation Front.

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by Anonymousreply 122June 5, 2018 2:05 PM


Then decide to stop giving and volunteering and tell them why.

Money talks.

by Anonymousreply 123June 5, 2018 3:01 PM

Always good to see the truth about Stonewall being shared and remembered

by Anonymousreply 124June 5, 2018 11:20 PM

I'd love to know Jackie Hormona's story, and what ultimately became of him. I'm assuming he was one of the early casualties of you-know-what.

by Anonymousreply 125June 6, 2018 12:52 AM

If I recall from one of the other SW threads, there was an account of Jackie still in NYC in the early 80s- 82? Maybe?

I too want to know more of his story.

by Anonymousreply 126June 6, 2018 2:42 AM

Me, too. But they are not researching him and we know why.

by Anonymousreply 127June 6, 2018 3:43 AM

R47, thank you! That settles that. I always wondered why his face set me off so badly. I feel guilty about it, but I really can't stand to look at any more pictures of him---whatever his good points, he was rather grotesque looking, and those hats and lipstick really did him no favors.

by Anonymousreply 128June 6, 2018 3:53 AM

R128 He looked like a man in a fright wig wearing shitty cheap makeup, like most trannys, seems to be the go to look

by Anonymousreply 129June 6, 2018 4:23 AM

The PBS Stonewall documentary from a few years ago that was mentioned upthread is excellent. People who were actually there were interviewed and it's quite riveting.

Of course it's the actual story of what happened and not the revisionist history we've been inundated with in recent years, so many people would find it "problematic."

by Anonymousreply 130June 6, 2018 4:29 AM

R64 Tooooootally! Esp that last part, great analogy.

by Anonymousreply 131June 6, 2018 5:03 AM

20-something Millennials who have done nothing except sit in front of screens their whole lives get to direct the conversation about events that happened decades ago, including telling people who were really there what actually happened. JFC. What a world we live in today.

by Anonymousreply 132June 6, 2018 5:25 AM

Someone has compiled a masterpost debunking the claim that "trans women", not gay men, started the Stonewall riots.

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by Anonymousreply 133June 10, 2018 2:47 PM

R132, right? I can’t believe what I’m seeing.

You know who doesn’t have time for all this SJW nitpicking? People who have jobs and have to support. I can somewhat excuse the college students who do this, because youthful idealism is natural. But the grown adults who spout this garbage are always unemployed or “professional activists” and usually mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 134June 10, 2018 3:26 PM

[Quote]There’s so much anger surrounding Pride the past two or three years.

Can you blame us considering Pride has been hijacked by the transtapo?

by Anonymousreply 135June 10, 2018 3:42 PM

[Quote]There’s so much anger surrounding Pride the past two or three years.

THIS. I will never forgive NUS for saying gay men are not oppressed anymore. It would only take a minute to do a google search to find out gay men are still being gay bashed. But of course, that doesn't matter in the hierarchy of oppression, because trans women of color ALWAYS come first!

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by Anonymousreply 136June 10, 2018 3:46 PM

Gay men aren't oppressed anymore? How about NUS tell that to this gay couple who were violently assaulted and close to death.

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by Anonymousreply 137June 10, 2018 3:47 PM

[Quote]Plus, if you dared to speak out and correct the history -- there were many people at the Stonewall that night and a majority of them were white, gay men -- you are condemned as a trasphobic racist.


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by Anonymousreply 139June 10, 2018 4:01 PM

Diane Abbott attends fundraiser for extremist transgender group that encourages giving cross-sex hormone drugs to children

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by Anonymousreply 140June 10, 2018 6:23 PM

[quote] So, if your Pride doesn't actively welcome and center . . . neurodivergent people

What the fuck does this have to do with sexual orientation? Not one damn thing it would appear.

by Anonymousreply 141June 11, 2018 3:35 AM

Let me tell you what Pride has devolved into- My straight next door neighbor partying with a bunch of his reality TV show pals, all of whom are also straight, coming back in from the festivities drunk off their asses and singing karaoke in his living room at 10pm at night on a Sunday.

This gay has to get up at 4:30am and is about to call the cops on their asses. Why isn't anyone yelling about THEIR cultural appropriation?

by Anonymousreply 142June 11, 2018 5:10 AM

Remember to get your straight friend drunk and have awkward sex with him while his wife is on vacation.

And remember the younger generation owes you everything and what's a blowjob next to rights they didn't really win you.

by Anonymousreply 143June 11, 2018 5:15 AM

He's in his 40s and super hideous. I'll pass. (Not that I find men in their 40s unattractive, but this one is.)

by Anonymousreply 144June 11, 2018 5:17 AM

I had no idea that Pink News was so cutting edge and on top of things.

There is an article in the link upthread(in which the piece about Diane Abbott appears) entitled "Celebrities You Did not Know are Gay"

Jodie Foster

Kate McKinnon

I could go no further because I was afraid that the next name on the list would be Nathan Lane or Rosie O'Donnell.

by Anonymousreply 145June 11, 2018 7:02 AM

R24, Preach!

by Anonymousreply 146June 11, 2018 12:52 PM

Article on Grey Goose assault

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by Anonymousreply 147June 11, 2018 1:01 PM

From link:

Incitement to violence is becoming more mainstream. For instance, a recent art exhibit at San Francisco Public Library included baseball bats, an ax, and shields painted in trans pride colors, and called for ‘punching terfs.’ The artist statement also falsely claimed, “…it is possible that more trans deaths have occurred as a result of TERF harassment than of cis men homicide.”

In another example out of the UK, transwoman Tara Wolf was recently found guilty of battery against Maria MacLachlan outside of a scheduled meeting about the Gender Identity Act. In court proceedings, Wolf admitted to posting on Facebook prior to the event “I wanna fuck up some terfs. They’re no better than fash [fascists].”

In addition to privately referring to Natalie Welage as female, Furry was also branded a TERF by this queer community because she had a history of celebrating lesbian culture. She told AfterEllen, “On the night of February 5th of this year, I threw a little birthday party at Grey Fox Pub for a lesbian friend of mine. I drew vulvas on balloons and tied them to chairs. It’s important to note that my small group of lesbian friends and I went to this Monday night drag king show, “MANic Monday,” nearly every Monday night for months at this point, and we were all very vocal about being lesbians. You know, for instance, we’d reply loudly with woos and applause when a show host would say, “Where are my lesbians?!” This is important because the night I brought the vulva balloons and decorated a section of audience chairs with them for my group, Natalie/Nat/Dickie Rebellion was starting the show and made a point to say something along the lines of, ‘Vaginas are great, but we want to make sure everyone here knows this is a safe space for all genders and types of bodies.’ The next night, my birthday-girl friend and I went out again to a bar called Bar:PM in St. Louis. There, I was approached by a woman named Jess Heriford who proceeded to tell me that I had been transmisogynistic when equating lesbianism to liking pussy. Please excuse my language. Jess is the woman who tweeted, ‘Swear to god if I see that terf bitch in my and my friends’ safe space again, she’s going the fuck down.'”

This is really fucking sad and unacceptable. Walk away from the T, people!

When our friends and family think they are supporting US, they are supporting the erasure of the next generation of lesbians and gays, violence against women and child abuse.

by Anonymousreply 148June 11, 2018 1:06 PM

Grey Fox Pub..,not Goose

by Anonymousreply 149June 11, 2018 1:07 PM

R141, Studies have shown that many in the queer community are autistic or suffer from mental illness. PRIDE has been co-opted, just like gay organizations and news outlets. We pushed out NAMBLA only to be outfoxed by this. In the minds of the public, we are all one and the same.

by Anonymousreply 150June 11, 2018 1:09 PM

Important correction, R149...lesbians can't afford Grey Goose.

by Anonymousreply 151June 11, 2018 1:09 PM

Thanks, R149.

It is MichFest and Dana Rivers over and over again on a daily basis. People need to know this is happening.

Give AfterEllen some clicks for being one of the only outlets to publish these stories.

by Anonymousreply 152June 11, 2018 1:11 PM

R61, WTF does being HOMELESS have to do with sexual orientation?!

by Anonymousreply 153June 11, 2018 1:14 PM

R150 Trans IS a mental illness.

Many of us have maintained that, all along.

by Anonymousreply 154June 11, 2018 1:14 PM

R67, they do not need our money - they are well funded by Soros, a few rich autogyns and drone manufacturers.

We served our purpose, now we have been reframed as the enemy.

When the National Center for LESBIAN Rights is run to benefit T, well, it is a brave new world. Or something.

by Anonymousreply 155June 11, 2018 1:17 PM


Per the article at r140, the Ts believe that “birth certificates represent violence against trans people.”

ATH’s manifesto demands an end to birth certificates & legal gender... as well as IMMEDIATE RELEASE & PARDON OF ALL TRANSPERSONS.

When people wake up to this utter bullshit? T is a mental illness. We need to get the fuck away from these freaks.

by Anonymousreply 156June 11, 2018 1:27 PM


In the UK this includes Ian Huntley, a pedo who raped and killed two 10 yo girls. Ian now goes by Nicola, the name of one of his victim’s mother.

Here’s a LibDem defending Huntley’s “protected status”:

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by Anonymousreply 157June 11, 2018 1:49 PM

Pride might as well be a useless party, since there's nothing "gay" about it anymore.

Quick...name 3 strictly HL& specifically gay/lesbian agenda items that the Human Rights Champagne is championing.

Or that are the focus of Federal legislation?

When was the last time you heard anything about ENDA?

by Anonymousreply 158June 11, 2018 1:53 PM

On a bright note, those idiots from No Justice No Pride didn't disrupt either the Parade or Festival at Capital Pride in D.C. this year. They certainly didn't gain themselves any friends or supporters last year, so maybe -- in a rare, fleeting moment of sanity -- they thought it would be better not repeat that tactic again.

by Anonymousreply 159June 11, 2018 2:04 PM

Not only are transpeople mentally ill, but they are violent and aggressive. They are still men in dresses, full of testosterone, rage, and mental instability. A dangerous cocktail.

by Anonymousreply 160June 11, 2018 2:20 PM

My God, R157.

by Anonymousreply 161June 11, 2018 2:49 PM

I started this thread and am pretty tired of the antics of the "trans activists," but do we really need to tar all trans people with this, like r160 needs to do. Although I live and work in Manhattan, I don't know a huge number of trans people. The one I know best is not at ALL like this.

by Anonymousreply 162June 11, 2018 3:00 PM

R162, I was raped by a “transwoman.”

Men who “identify” as women retain male-patterned violence...because they are men.

In fact, studies show that transwomen commit more crime than the average men.

I’m glad your T friends have not victimized you. But you may not be their “type”. Especially if you’re an adult with a cock & balls.

by Anonymousreply 163June 11, 2018 3:16 PM

The LibDem in the twitter at R157 is an incredibly brainwashed idiot.

by Anonymousreply 164June 11, 2018 9:42 PM

Another white, straight woman married to a white, straight man, telling us how oppressed they are, and how thank God things are finally changing!

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by Anonymousreply 165June 12, 2018 3:55 PM

It was THAT EASY - to be stupid, homophobic and sexist

It is always easy to be stupid, homophobic and sexist.

Try being intelligent and not homophobic or sexist.

by Anonymousreply 166June 12, 2018 4:22 PM

The cunt at R165's article is married to a tranny, and they have four kids. Which means she's married to a man who likes to wear her clothes.


by Anonymousreply 167June 12, 2018 6:02 PM

She is definitely the most frau-tastic trans activist I've ever seen. Might have some DL potential.

by Anonymousreply 168June 12, 2018 6:14 PM

R165 Insane women married to a mental ill men.

by Anonymousreply 169June 12, 2018 6:18 PM

That is just sickening.

by Anonymousreply 170June 12, 2018 9:22 PM

And this stupid straight couple is going to dictate what "LGBTQ" is to gay men and lesbians. And advocate child abuse in the name of homophobia and sexism.

by Anonymousreply 171June 12, 2018 10:52 PM

Looks like one of the kids is trans, too. Gee, what are the odds?

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by Anonymousreply 172June 12, 2018 11:27 PM

"The Maven of Mayhem"

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by Anonymousreply 173June 12, 2018 11:31 PM

She admits on the blog that she is deeply depressed and anxiety-ridden. Look at her Twitter; being a trans spouse and and a trans mom is her whole life, her whole identity. It's only a matter of time before these women start leaving their husbands en masse; there are already support groups for them on the internet.

by Anonymousreply 174June 13, 2018 2:22 AM

That bitch is fucking mentally ill. Unfortunately in the current cultural climate mentally ill bitches like her are celebrated instead of being told to get some help.

by Anonymousreply 175June 13, 2018 3:07 AM

Holy fucking shit. What are the odds that she would marry a tranny and also have a tranny kid? You know they brainwashed that poor little gayling and now they're pretty much pouring cancer into him and making sure that if he doesn't die by toxic poisoning before he's 25, he'll cut his own throat. She ought to be stoned to death.

by Anonymousreply 176June 13, 2018 4:17 AM

R14 and R15, here's what Greyro means. I did not know and had to look it up, and it's yet another example of how they want to now put Asexual people in with bisexual and gay men and women. This makes no sense at all, since people who are bisexual and gay are sexually attracted to people, while people who are asexual are not sexually attracted to people at all.

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by Anonymousreply 177July 7, 2018 4:11 PM

Happy real pride!

Lesbian = Female Homosexual

Transactivism Erases Lesbians

Lesbian Not Queer

Get the L Out!

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by Anonymousreply 178July 7, 2018 4:51 PM

They were told to remove the Lesbian = female homosexual banner because it's 'hate speech'

They laid down in the road instead.

This is Pride in 2018.

by Anonymousreply 179July 7, 2018 5:49 PM

So proud of those brave women! The Muslim mayor has his panties in a twist as he had to march behind them. They were not even covering their heads! Lol. Everything old is new again. People are beginning to wake up. Good!

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