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Possible Golden State Killer / EARONS Arrest!

Sorry this is to a local Fox affiliate but I can't find any other news article, just Facebook and Twitter comments.

[quote]SACRAMENTO — Sources confirm that the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department is working a significant break in the search for the East Area Rapist.

[quote]A possible arrest in the decadeslong case may have been made. The department said it hopes to release further information Wednesday.

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by Anonymousreply 601April 29, 2018 1:12 AM

This podcast is saying there will be a press conference at noon.

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by Anonymousreply 1April 25, 2018 11:10 AM

And more discussion on Karen Kilgariff's Twitter feed, with links to Reddit and FB threads.

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by Anonymousreply 2April 25, 2018 11:12 AM

Yesterday it was reported that they are now pursuing the theory that the Golden State Killer was also "Mr Cruel" in Australia in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

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by Anonymousreply 3April 25, 2018 11:16 AM

According to someone on proboards, he admitted (to whom, I don't know...they just cited "sources") to being the Visalia Ransacker, became a cop, then got fired for shoplifting dog repellent and a hammer. His mother lived in Visalia.

Morph is saying there's a 100% DNA match.

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by Anonymousreply 4April 25, 2018 11:23 AM

Morf, that is

by Anonymousreply 5April 25, 2018 11:24 AM

I can't see the proboards threads anymore, what the heck?

by Anonymousreply 6April 25, 2018 11:25 AM

Oh my fucking god!!!

by Anonymousreply 7April 25, 2018 11:26 AM

Fortunately my proboards login worked. Still sifting through the thread to find info -- apparently the man has a family and overnight they had to delete their Facebooks, for obvious reasons. That poor family. I can't even imagine.

by Anonymousreply 8April 25, 2018 11:28 AM

Here's an old article about the arrested man, who was a cop, being caught shoplifting dog repellant and a hammer and being dismissed from the force. Dates from 1979.

EARONS was a cop. Holy fucking shit.

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by Anonymousreply 9April 25, 2018 11:33 AM

Shoplifting article, complete with typo in the headline:

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by Anonymousreply 10April 25, 2018 11:34 AM

This is crazy!!

by Anonymousreply 11April 25, 2018 11:42 AM

Absolutely will NOT post the names of two of the arrested man's kids, but their birthdates line up with dates of crimes.

EARONS took a five-year break in his crimes starting August 1981, and this man's first child was born September 1981 in Sacramento County.

Then EARONS started back up again in May 1986, and this man's second child was born a few months later in November 26, 1986 in Los Angeles County.

by Anonymousreply 12April 25, 2018 11:42 AM

Oh my God, this is *amazing*—really like some kind of miracle!

If true this would all be so stunning.

I *really* thought (sadly) that this case would go the way of The Zodiac and that he would never be caught (inexperienced police working the case, sloppy crime scene investigation, forensic evidence being so old and possibly not even initially collected properly, so many missed pieces of evidence, various law enforcement in various counties competing and just not working together properly—a lot of the investigation was a hot mess basically—and this was to the complete advantage of the killer).

And this piece of shit was active for decades!

I really hope they finally caught this evil fucker. This would be amazing and wonderful news (really hoping this is all legit).

And this asshole (apparently) went on to “have a family”?!? Wow. Fuck him! He destroyed (literally) so many lives and was a remorseless psychopath.

Would just love to hear what kind of woman would “falll in love” and breed with this violent sociopath and what both of them have been doing for careers all these years...

This is stunning news. PLEASE keep this thread going as things develop throughout the day!!

Thanks DL—I’m hearing this here first....

by Anonymousreply 13April 25, 2018 11:49 AM

I am not going to link to it directly, but the wife of the arrested guy is a lawyer, and her sole Yelp review rips her a new one and calls her "pure evil."

You can read it in the Reddit thread. Please don't post it here because this thread could get locked if we use identifying info. Once the news conference hits and the media starts reporting on stuff, then we can post more details.

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by Anonymousreply 15April 25, 2018 12:04 PM

If this is really him, does this mean he actually went back to live in Sacramento with the family? (And just stayed there?)

The asshole never even left the *state*?!?

(Clearly he was not too concerned about *ever* getting caught if that was the case...)

by Anonymousreply 16April 25, 2018 12:06 PM

1979? For about 40 years doing this? Is he 60-something now?

by Anonymousreply 17April 25, 2018 12:09 PM

No way!

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by Anonymousreply 18April 25, 2018 12:10 PM

73, per arrest reports.

There's a photo of him posted by morf on the proboards thread. The one with the messy hair and line over his eyes for privacy (the other photo of the 50-something guy is probably not him.)

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by Anonymousreply 19April 25, 2018 12:11 PM

Great minds, R18!

by Anonymousreply 20April 25, 2018 12:11 PM

1967 Navy picture

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by Anonymousreply 21April 25, 2018 12:12 PM

This is exciting. I feared he would never be caught

by Anonymousreply 22April 25, 2018 12:14 PM

The Navy photo reminds me of some of the sketches, especially this one.

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by Anonymousreply 23April 25, 2018 12:16 PM

Agree with both, [R22] and [R23]!

by Anonymousreply 24April 25, 2018 12:20 PM

*does not feel like a “nice guy” in that Navy photo.

Looks angry and tough as fuck...

by Anonymousreply 25April 25, 2018 12:21 PM

Jesus Bleeping! I am in utter shock! I have been following this for years! Wow, just wow.

by Anonymousreply 26April 25, 2018 12:21 PM

There really was a Bonnie!

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by Anonymousreply 27April 25, 2018 12:22 PM

Holy crap. Victims reported EARONS would cry and say the name "Bonnie" during his crimes and rapes.

Looks like the man arrested was once engaged to a Bonnie.

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by Anonymousreply 28April 25, 2018 12:22 PM

Haha okay, I'll stop posting stuff from the proboards.

by Anonymousreply 29April 25, 2018 12:23 PM

The fact that he was (once) in law enforcement and in the Navy makes a lot of sense in hindsight, but is also one of the most disturbing elements of this case now...

Those victims had NO chance.

by Anonymousreply 30April 25, 2018 12:23 PM

He was arrested in Australia.

by Anonymousreply 31April 25, 2018 12:24 PM

No he wasn't. He was arrested in California.

by Anonymousreply 32April 25, 2018 12:28 PM

I'm going back to bed, R29. Have at it!

This is so crazy. I never thought they'd catch him.

by Anonymousreply 33April 25, 2018 12:28 PM

Holy shit. I’m so glad they caught him. And that he was the Visalia Ransacker too.

His marriage and the birth years of his kids coincides with when he “stopped” for that long stretch in the early 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 34April 25, 2018 12:30 PM

I feel like I’m watching an episode of “Mindhinter” with this shit! (A show l *love* by the way...)

The rejection and broken engagement from a girl named Bonnie when he was young and how that seemingly “flipped the switch” in his sociopathic mind to start doing this depraved, vengeful, twisted shit to complete strangers and to unleash an endless torture campaign against innocent women.....

by Anonymousreply 35April 25, 2018 12:31 PM

The guy is older than I expected by a few years, but so much other stuff with dates and names and locations adds up that this has to be the man.

I honestly never thought I'd see him arrested.

by Anonymousreply 36April 25, 2018 12:32 PM

*MINDHUNTER (not hinter)

by Anonymousreply 37April 25, 2018 12:33 PM

LOL "Mindhinter"

Sequel to "Thoughtsuggester"

by Anonymousreply 38April 25, 2018 12:33 PM

The Navy picture reminds me of Jerry Lee Lewis even though they look nothing alike. I guess the bad vibes seep right out of the photo.

by Anonymousreply 39April 25, 2018 12:41 PM

Patton Oswalt on Twitter:

This will help you prepare for today's press conference about the East Area Rapist suspect now in custody. If they've caught him it means they've caught The Golden State Killer! #MichelleMcNamara #IllBeGoneInTheDark #stepintothelight

by Anonymousreply 40April 25, 2018 12:45 PM

I freaking knew he was also the Visalia Ransacker! Totally made sense in the escalation.

Serial rapists start out peeping and/or breaking in and not really taking anything. They work their way up to tape and develop their skillsets.

by Anonymousreply 41April 25, 2018 12:46 PM

Visalia Ransacker??

by Anonymousreply 42April 25, 2018 12:51 PM

I hate myself for saying this, but he looks hot in that Navy pic (like a darker Alexander Skarsgard) and in that one sketch on the SFGate page.

Too bad some fucked-up bastards happen to be good looking. Why can't they all be visibly evil?

by Anonymousreply 43April 25, 2018 12:52 PM

Another possible picture (looks like a young version of the old guy, at least) -- even more resemblance to the sketches.

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by Anonymousreply 44April 25, 2018 12:53 PM

He looks like an actor in the first Navy pic, definitely. I wish I could remember who, a character actor in film noirs IIRC. But yes, he was very handsome.

by Anonymousreply 45April 25, 2018 12:54 PM

R32 On Patton Oswalts twitter they said he was arrested in Australia.

by Anonymousreply 46April 25, 2018 12:56 PM

And that was corrected, R46

by Anonymousreply 47April 25, 2018 1:02 PM

Where R47?

by Anonymousreply 48April 25, 2018 1:05 PM

This just goes to show the blind spots law enforcement may (understandably) have in these older high profile crime cases. It was apparent that this killer had extraordinary skills that should have red flagged investigators. I’m not criticizing, I think that LE has evolved (Hello Drew Peterson), but that’s why they couldn’t “see” what was so obvious.

by Anonymousreply 49April 25, 2018 1:08 PM

R42, right before the rapes started occurring there were a series of "burglaries" where nothing of value was really taken.

by Anonymousreply 50April 25, 2018 1:08 PM

Good summation

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by Anonymousreply 51April 25, 2018 1:10 PM

There’s conflicting info on the Australia arrest. He’s in custody in California.

But in retrospect, the random Mr Cruel case news yesterday (that there is no connection) now makes sense. They had him for at least long enough to run his DNA against Mr Cruel and perhaps ask him about it.

by Anonymousreply 52April 25, 2018 1:16 PM

The Visalia Ransacker is also thought to have shot and killed a college professor as the VR was attempting to kidnap the man’s teenage daughter from her bedroom.

The VR possibly hit *hundreds* of homes. He progressed from ransacking to “hot prowls”- where the burglar enters a home with the residents still inside and unaware. Insane.

by Anonymousreply 53April 25, 2018 1:19 PM

From proboards, for what it's worth...

[quote]The person who told me [that he was caught through familial DNA] Was really uncomfortable after they had done so when they realized how much I knew about the case. They swore me to secrecy until he was arrested. I honored it. The familial hit was a female and was at least a first cousin. There have been odd garbage runs around the perps house lately. There are others on the board much more informed than I am. I’m not wrong but I understand why you (and others) would think so.

R53, breaking into all of those houses yet he got caught shoplifting.

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by Anonymousreply 54April 25, 2018 1:36 PM

It appears yesterday's article has caused people to speculate that the man arrested was in Australia, but he wasn't. He was arrested in California.

by Anonymousreply 55April 25, 2018 1:40 PM

Wow, this will be so hard for Patton not having Michelle alive to see all this.

by Anonymousreply 56April 25, 2018 1:45 PM

So how close were Patton's wife's theories?

by Anonymousreply 57April 25, 2018 1:47 PM

Link R55. No one is speculating, it was said he was arrested in Australia.

by Anonymousreply 58April 25, 2018 1:49 PM

Stop trolling, R58. He's booked in the Sacramento County Jail, and no one has reported he was arrested in Australia.

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by Anonymousreply 59April 25, 2018 1:52 PM

I made a prediction a few weeks ago on the 2018 prediction thread saying that he would be caught thanks to cooperation with the DNA ancestry companies. If that pans out, just call me Psychic.

by Anonymousreply 60April 25, 2018 1:54 PM

Maybe if they connected Mr Cruel to EARONS, then that was the breakthrough. There would have been very few Californians who lived in Victoria 1985-1995.

by Anonymousreply 61April 25, 2018 1:59 PM

This guy seems to have lived in California the entire time, per everything posted on the proboards site. His marriage, jobs, birth of his kids, it's all in California during the time of Mr. Cruel and not in Australia.

by Anonymousreply 62April 25, 2018 2:04 PM

From proboards: two EARONS attacks happened on November 10th, which turns out to be this man's anniversary. Well well.

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by Anonymousreply 63April 25, 2018 2:06 PM

From the SacBee:

[quote]Officials also have investigated whether he had ties to a similar spree in Australia, but a source says the suspect authorities identified has been living in the Sacramento area.

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by Anonymousreply 64April 25, 2018 2:08 PM

[quote]So how close were Patton's wife's theories?

Not very. He wasn’t her POI, and most of the other speculation- a military background, possible law enforcement experience- were around long before McNamara took on the case and were reasonable assertions for anyone familiar with this guy’s habits and behavior.

by Anonymousreply 65April 25, 2018 2:16 PM

So he wasn't in the military when they kept blood samples for DNA typing.

by Anonymousreply 66April 25, 2018 2:21 PM

Looking pretty close to the Visalia Ransacker sketches in this one:

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by Anonymousreply 67April 25, 2018 2:33 PM

Six days after the first Walnut Creek attack and three days before Danville.

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by Anonymousreply 68April 25, 2018 2:53 PM

[quote]breaking into all of those houses yet he got caught shoplifting.

Kind of like Al Capone, who finally went down for tax evasion.

by Anonymousreply 69April 25, 2018 2:53 PM

Fuck off R59. It was on Patton Oswalt's twitter that he was arrested in Australia. I hate little babies like that call people trolls for no reason.

by Anonymousreply 70April 25, 2018 3:34 PM

Just confirms my belief that most LE are psychopaths.

by Anonymousreply 71April 25, 2018 4:02 PM

[quote]So he wasn't in the military when they kept blood samples for DNA typing.

No. Blood type, sure. It looks like he served from Dec 1964 (right after graduating from Folsom Sr High) to sometime in 1967. He served in Vietnam. He has a bachelors degree and studied criminal justice Post-grad. He was fired for shoplifting in 1979 (just prior to the final known rape and before the SoCal murders began) and worked as a crane operator after leaving the police dept.

Here’s a pic of him right before getting fired in 1979, from a local newspaper story about a charity baseball game. The sketch is of the suspect who shot and killed a young couple, the Maggiores, who’ve long thought to be victims of the EARONS, though their murders happened before the SoCal ones.

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by Anonymousreply 72April 25, 2018 4:08 PM

R70, you were told repeatedly that he was not arrested in Australia, and that Oswalt corrected his original tweet. You kept insisting you were right, and when corrected, immediately flew off the handle. That's trolling.

by Anonymousreply 73April 25, 2018 4:21 PM

This is insane!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 74April 25, 2018 4:22 PM

Did the new conference take place? I have CNN and MSNBC on and they have not reported anything.

by Anonymousreply 75April 25, 2018 4:23 PM


by Anonymousreply 76April 25, 2018 4:24 PM

I feel horrible for this guy's kids

by Anonymousreply 77April 25, 2018 4:26 PM

You're an idiot R73. I was told once and asked for a link, which one has not been provided. Nowhere on Oswalts twitter was it corrected. Asking for a link is not flying off the handle. Considering all your comments on this thread you are the troll.

by Anonymousreply 78April 25, 2018 4:27 PM

R45 John Garfield?

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by Anonymousreply 79April 25, 2018 4:29 PM

No one's mentioned that we know he's tinymeat?

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by Anonymousreply 80April 25, 2018 4:31 PM

News conference should be 12 Pacific time. I just read a couple of accounts that his daughter turned him in? I’m trying to find more information.

by Anonymousreply 81April 25, 2018 4:33 PM

Arrested in Sacramento

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by Anonymousreply 82April 25, 2018 4:37 PM

I wonder if his ex-fiancee Bonnie is still alive. If she is, I'd be interested in hearing her talk about this guy.

by Anonymousreply 83April 25, 2018 4:37 PM

Someone on the proboards hinted that it was a daughter, but another said it was a cousin. I'm hearing that after the HLN show, someone related to EARONS remembered some incident in the past, tipped the police off and gave DNA.

by Anonymousreply 84April 25, 2018 4:39 PM

Bonnie is alive. She's going to have this hanging over her head until she dies. Fucking monster.

by Anonymousreply 85April 25, 2018 4:39 PM

Bonnie is no monster!

by Anonymousreply 86April 25, 2018 4:50 PM

Forgot my pronouns: EARONS is a monster.

Bonnie is a victim and is going to have a lot to process.

by Anonymousreply 87April 25, 2018 5:00 PM

I don't like "Golden State Killer". It's too pretty. How about Quake State Killer?

I envy these people who can recall a face that well. I would be better with voices.

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by Anonymousreply 88April 25, 2018 5:01 PM

WATCH HLN LIVE UPDATES! They even have a countdown clock to the press conference!

by Anonymousreply 89April 25, 2018 5:06 PM

Is it only me that’s never heard of the Golden State killer? Zodiac yes. Night Stalker yes. This one seems strictly 2nd tier to me. .

by Anonymousreply 90April 25, 2018 5:12 PM

I think I found the daughter. She’s a doctor.

by Anonymousreply 91April 25, 2018 5:17 PM

I only heard about it here R90, but I'm not from the US originally. It seems like big news to me though, he was notorious to be given three different nicknames, so he probably created a lot of fear for a lot of people.

It reminds me of when they caught the Yorkshire Ripper years ago. That was a rookie copper thinking it was just a routine soliciting arrest until they found his tools in his car.

by Anonymousreply 92April 25, 2018 5:18 PM

It's pretty huge. For years people didn't know the East Area Rapist was also the Original Night Stalker. Being the Visalia Ransacker too means he's responsible for close to 200 crimes that we know of. VR alone had over 100 crimes in 1974 and 1975, while EAR/ONS has at least 50 rapes and 12 murders under his belt spanning about eight years.

There are also several unsolved murders in the area during that time and in that area which may have been him.

by Anonymousreply 93April 25, 2018 5:39 PM

Micropenis. How embarassing.

by Anonymousreply 94April 25, 2018 5:42 PM

[quote] Oh my God, this is *amazing*—really like some kind of miracle! If true this would all be so stunning.


by Anonymousreply 95April 25, 2018 5:43 PM

It's not "EARONS"--it's "EAR/ONS": "The East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker."

by Anonymousreply 96April 25, 2018 5:44 PM

I love Veromi. You can find anyone (and their kin).

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by Anonymousreply 97April 25, 2018 5:47 PM

I keep coming back to this thread and the proboards thread looking for the dang mugshot. C'mon press, leak the mugshot.

by Anonymousreply 98April 25, 2018 5:50 PM

This guy is not second tier r90. He committed 100s of crimes. He may be the most prolific criminal in California history next to perhaps Randy Kraft. Zodiac, otoh, maybe had 5-6 victims; some counts have it as low as 3.

The reason he isn’t more we’ll known is that he raped and killed across multiple jurisdictions, sometimes hundreds of miles apart. Law enforcement didn’t have the means to instantly send info or have criminal databases that could be searched in seconds. There was also a lot of territorial behavior btw all those various law enforcement agencies that kept the info from getting out. By the time the dna from the SoCal crimes were matched to the NoCal ones, he had long been dormant.

by Anonymousreply 99April 25, 2018 5:53 PM

Don't harass his family please. The daughters already have to deal with the fact that their father is a serial killer.

by Anonymousreply 100April 25, 2018 5:53 PM

a random fact I learned from Googling just now: his wife is the founder of the "National Coalition Against Surrogacy"

by Anonymousreply 101April 25, 2018 5:59 PM

This guy fits well (and it's undeniably him, since they have a DNA match) but I'm really surprised that he was married the whole time.

by Anonymousreply 102April 25, 2018 6:02 PM

A review on Yelp of his wife's legal practice ends with her being called "evil." I don't think she's going to turn out to be a sympathetic figure here.

by Anonymousreply 103April 25, 2018 6:03 PM

BTK and Gary Ridgeway were both married with kids.

by Anonymousreply 104April 25, 2018 6:05 PM

[quote] This guy fits well (and it's undeniably him, since they have a DNA match)

Honey, [italic]no.[/italic] No, no, no.

This is why we have legal procedures in place. There is no "it's undeniably him" until he has been through a trial or until he has confessed.

by Anonymousreply 105April 25, 2018 6:06 PM

Well besides DNA supposedly he has confessed. I've heard there's going to be a press conference at 12 Pacific time so we'll find out.

by Anonymousreply 106April 25, 2018 6:13 PM

Thank you, r89. I have also been stalking MSNBC and CNN and they are only covering Dr. FeelGood and Macron. I just tuned in to HLN and they do indeed have a countdown clock to the press conference. 44 minutes to go! Oswalt's Twitter is lit. Too bad McNamara isn't here to see this. BTW, I first read about the GSK on Datalounge late one night when someone posted a link to McNamara's webpage. Scared the hell out of me. I bought her book but haven't read it yet. This would be a good time to start;)

by Anonymousreply 107April 25, 2018 6:20 PM

"The daughters already have to deal with the fact that their father is a serial killer."

Tell us about it!

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by Anonymousreply 108April 25, 2018 6:24 PM

This station is reporting it.

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by Anonymousreply 109April 25, 2018 6:26 PM

This station should be carrying a live stream of the press conference in a few minutes.

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by Anonymousreply 110April 25, 2018 6:47 PM

I can't believe that HLN is preempting [italic]Forensic Files[/italic] for this. When all is said and done, I bet I'll only be able to watch 35 episodes today; maybe even fewer!

by Anonymousreply 111April 25, 2018 6:59 PM

I'm popping the popcorn right now

by Anonymousreply 112April 25, 2018 7:01 PM

God some of you are creaming your Depends over this like aliens were discovered. 👽

by Anonymousreply 113April 25, 2018 7:07 PM

Waiting for the press conference. START DAMN IT!

by Anonymousreply 114April 25, 2018 7:10 PM

Press conference has started.

by Anonymousreply 115April 25, 2018 7:16 PM

Until someone uploads a better one...

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by Anonymousreply 116April 25, 2018 7:18 PM

I really detest the endless self congratulation law enforcement officials engage in.

by Anonymousreply 117April 25, 2018 7:21 PM

He's a lot older than they thought the suspect would be.

Most of the victims described someone who seemed to be barely 18. They thought he could be in high school.

This dude was late 20s when he started.

by Anonymousreply 118April 25, 2018 7:22 PM

Way too much singing of "How Great Am I."

by Anonymousreply 119April 25, 2018 7:22 PM

He looks like a brother of Harvey Weinstein.

by Anonymousreply 120April 25, 2018 7:23 PM

Wow, bringing a giant photo of the suspect out. That's a little drama queeny, isn't it? They should have also staged a reconstruction with actors of the moment the cops arrested him, culminating in a dance number and heart-breaking show tune.

by Anonymousreply 121April 25, 2018 7:28 PM

So, it was DNA in the end but they're all clapping themselves like they were Sherlock Holmes.

by Anonymousreply 122April 25, 2018 7:29 PM

They should congratulate themselves a bit more. I don't think they're giving themselves enough credit.

by Anonymousreply 123April 25, 2018 7:30 PM

He was the Visalia Ransacker! 😱

by Anonymousreply 124April 25, 2018 7:33 PM

Law enforcement attracts such amazing human beings! How do they do it?

by Anonymousreply 125April 25, 2018 7:34 PM

51 rapes?!

Good God!

by Anonymousreply 126April 25, 2018 7:40 PM

But s victim's brother brings it back to DNA and the fight he had to mount to get California to use it in law enforcement.

The media cut the guy off.

by Anonymousreply 127April 25, 2018 7:44 PM

As a cop, he was responsible for investigating and preventing burglaries

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by Anonymousreply 128April 25, 2018 7:45 PM

A little clearer than the wide shot

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by Anonymousreply 129April 25, 2018 7:47 PM

The brother in law speaks...

[quote]Huddle recalled Deangelo once casually bringing up the East Area Rapist case in the early 1970s.

[quote]"He actually asked me about it once," Huddle told Oxygen.com. "He said, 'What do you think of that East Area Rapist? What would you do, Jim?'"

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by Anonymousreply 130April 25, 2018 7:55 PM

DeAngelo lols much older than 72.

He also looks like typical Sacto, hillbilly trash.

by Anonymousreply 131April 25, 2018 7:57 PM

Dear God, this is endless and boring.

by Anonymousreply 132April 25, 2018 7:58 PM

So even though the case was solved when a family member turned him in AND provided DNA, these assholes flap their guns (inarticulately, I might add) about all their hard work solving the case?!

by Anonymousreply 133April 25, 2018 8:00 PM

Brother-in-law says he was into "guns and ammunition"

by Anonymousreply 134April 25, 2018 8:01 PM

They've finally released the mug shot.

1. He looks like he was in a fight. What a shame.

2. Is that a watery looking blood stain on his right shoulder? A flipped-back toupee on the top of his head?

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by Anonymousreply 135April 25, 2018 8:03 PM

All the 'brilliant investigations' chat is to try to take the edge off the stark reality that he was one of their own.

by Anonymousreply 136April 25, 2018 8:03 PM

"The DNA got us to a road, but that could have taken us many directions." Wtf? It either matched or it didn't.

by Anonymousreply 137April 25, 2018 8:04 PM

There's a pic of him from 1962 on the EAR/ONS forum and he looked younger than his age. Time apparently caught up with him in recent years. He looks 90.

by Anonymousreply 138April 25, 2018 8:04 PM

What family member turned him in?

by Anonymousreply 139April 25, 2018 8:05 PM

That's a bandage on top of his head. Wonder if he tried to run?

by Anonymousreply 140April 25, 2018 8:05 PM

Link please R138

by Anonymousreply 141April 25, 2018 8:07 PM

From the press conference; I don't know the name of the person who said it:

[quote]"He had a look on his face that he may have been considering a plan of execution for this moment, but we got to him before he could do anything."

by Anonymousreply 142April 25, 2018 8:08 PM

It was the sheriff^^

by Anonymousreply 143April 25, 2018 8:09 PM

I'd have loved to have seem his face when they arrested him.

by Anonymousreply 144April 25, 2018 8:10 PM

Did they confirm if he was/is Mr.Cruel too?

by Anonymousreply 145April 25, 2018 8:11 PM

This will be a heavy day for his victims. There will be relief, but also a lot of difficult feelings coming back.

by Anonymousreply 146April 25, 2018 8:11 PM

R139 - I think it's being reported that one of his daughters turned him in. I can't find the link.

by Anonymousreply 147April 25, 2018 8:11 PM

[quote]Did they confirm if he was/is Mr.Cruel too?

They are not aware of any connection.

by Anonymousreply 148April 25, 2018 8:12 PM

He's not Mr Cruel.

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by Anonymousreply 149April 25, 2018 8:13 PM

This reminds me if the DC Sniper case. LE contributed very little to solving the case— cases were “solved” by the public. Terrifying, really.

by Anonymousreply 150April 25, 2018 8:14 PM

r40 holy shit Oswalt is an asshole. Hashtagging that? WTF?

by Anonymousreply 151April 25, 2018 8:15 PM

Yeah, Oswalt has been a real asshole about the whole thing. I wonder how his equally tacky new wife feels about all this?

by Anonymousreply 152April 25, 2018 8:18 PM

Sorry r141 I can't manage to get a direct link, but maybe this will work

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by Anonymousreply 153April 25, 2018 8:18 PM

...he hashtagged "step into the light" about his dead wife? Good god.

by Anonymousreply 154April 25, 2018 8:20 PM

"cursing outbursts you can hear down the street"

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by Anonymousreply 155April 25, 2018 8:20 PM

This guy fit the profile (the marine knots and the ability to anticipate what the police would do) and stayed in the same place some of the crimes were committed until this very day - there was a victim on TV just now who during the crime lived where the perp lives today- and it took law enforcement this long to find him?

by Anonymousreply 156April 25, 2018 8:26 PM

Also, during the press conference the police said flat out that Patton's wife, Michelle's work, did not help the case.

by Anonymousreply 157April 25, 2018 8:27 PM

I live in a smaller city in California. Let me tell you, the entire state is infested with these angry hillbilly types. And they are all fucking crazy. There is no middle class. Just “rich” people (or, people who would be rich any other place) and repulsive hillbilly trash oozing around causing trouble and popping pills.

The place seems to create these crazies. It’s the lack of structure, no cultural emphasis on education, and magical thinking (“why go to college when I can just be a pro skateboarder?) Then they get very bitter when life doesn’t turn out that way.

I’ll be very interested to hear this guy’s backstory.

One of his daughters appears to have multiple arrests, but I’m not going to pay for a detailed report.

by Anonymousreply 158April 25, 2018 8:29 PM

Yeah well they also said there was no tipster who called in, and said DNA evidence could have lead them down multiple paths and it was their expertise that was more important.

DNA has one "path."

These cops are overcompensating for GSK being one of them.

by Anonymousreply 159April 25, 2018 8:30 PM

Odd guy; kept to himself; had a temper; didn't speak to the neighbors often but when he did, it was usually to argue about something

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by Anonymousreply 160April 25, 2018 8:31 PM

Kevin Tapia said he grew up in a home behind DeAngelo and is now raising his own family there. In more than three decades, Tapia said his family has often had angry run-ins with DeAngelo.

"He had a lot of verbal altercations with my parents," Tapia said.

Tapia described DeAngelo as extremely meticulous, to the point of having permanent markings on his driveway so he could be exact in parking his boat.

by Anonymousreply 161April 25, 2018 8:37 PM

r159 no it doesn't. The initial sample could be incomplete and/or degraded. It was also familial DNA, which implies it was a sample from a relation, not the suspect. That could also not have as many match points.

by Anonymousreply 162April 25, 2018 8:38 PM

BTK-style argumentative control freak

by Anonymousreply 163April 25, 2018 8:39 PM

I do hope I'm wrong, but... this was a cold case for decades. But a few weeks ago the whole department came under fire because some officers shot a fleeing suspect in the back eight or nine times... and suddenly there's an arrest in this notorious cold case! A retired local police officer!

Do you think anyone in the Sacramento police department had suspicions that were not acted on until there was a pressing need to awe the public?

by Anonymousreply 164April 25, 2018 8:42 PM

Tapia (the neighbor) also describes a recent friendly chat he had with DeAngelo. The same neighbor with whom he describes having 30 years’ worth of verbal altercations.

In other words, this kind of “verbal altercation” begavior with one’s neighbors doesn’t raise many eyebrows. Sick, sick culture of incivility and gutter behavior.

It didn’t used to be this way in California. And I’m not even that old.

by Anonymousreply 165April 25, 2018 8:44 PM

I think they ran the DNA on some ancestry site ages ago and knew who it was for a while, yeah. But they can't legally use an ancestry site, so had to come up with other methods to cover their butts.

They seemed to know who it was last year per some comments about knowing he was alive in 2014, made on the HLN special.

by Anonymousreply 166April 25, 2018 8:45 PM

Kevin Tapia is being interviewed on HLN. He said his sister reminded him that he used to yell if they walked near his fence.

His mother also said told him that Deangelo was screaming and pounding on their door in the middle of the night once because a pipe had burst and water was running into his yard.

by Anonymousreply 167April 25, 2018 8:46 PM

My partner is from the area r165 and his dad worked in construction at the same time GSK did, and he said something similar -- people didn't act like that back then. If someone was yelling all the time while at work, for example, he wouldn't have been tolerated.

by Anonymousreply 168April 25, 2018 8:46 PM

So he graduated from Sacramento State, in Criminal Justice, just like me, yaaayyyyy!

I was there much later though. But there were some creepy guys at that school. Another student told me about how he went looking in the library for a book about a different serial killer and found that someone had ripped several pages out of it. They were all sections which graphically described the sexual assaults and murders the killer committed. So some creep was too cheap to use the copier to print off his stroke literature. The section of the library that had the most books stolen from it was the criminology section, according to a teacher I had.

I actually really liked Sacramento. I had a lot of friends in college there, which I never had at any other school. The summers were brutal, though.

by Anonymousreply 169April 25, 2018 8:53 PM

R4 and R5 Morph is nothing but a famewhore who wants people to listen to his podcast and watch his shitty youtube videos.

None of the internet sleuths or people who are promoting their books/podcasts/blogs, including McNamara discovered anything new about EAR/ONS that was not discovered and discussed already for decades.

by Anonymousreply 170April 25, 2018 8:59 PM

R169 Why are the summers brutal in Sacramento? Were you friends with DL fave Greta Gerwig?

by Anonymousreply 171April 25, 2018 9:01 PM

I didn't read "I'll Be Gone in the Dark: One Woman's Obsessive Search for the Golden State Killer"

was she right?

by Anonymousreply 172April 25, 2018 9:05 PM

"Why are the summers brutal in Sacramento? "

They are very, very, VERY hot, R171. Heat waves where the temperature is well over 40 C are common and can last a week or two, and go on from May to September. Most Europeans have no idea how hot much of the US gets in summer.

And apparently MacNamara was wrong about the primary suspect, I wonder if her suspect will sue her estate?

by Anonymousreply 173April 25, 2018 9:09 PM

He’s old, just let him live under house arrest

by Anonymousreply 174April 25, 2018 9:10 PM

HE has nice decolatage for 72

by Anonymousreply 175April 25, 2018 9:11 PM

That certainly paints the story about the guy who stood up at the town meeting whose wife was subsequently attacked in a new light.

by Anonymousreply 176April 25, 2018 9:11 PM

r173 did she name him, or describe him with specific enough detail that would ID him?

I had the book but it was so poorly written, I gave up at the jump.

by Anonymousreply 177April 25, 2018 9:12 PM

"In Wednesday’s press conference, however, Sheriff Jones made it clear that while McNamara’s book had generated renewed public interest in the case, it had not turned up new leads. Rather, a discarded DNA sample, apparently generated as a result of a public tip, led police to DeAngelo."

by Anonymousreply 178April 25, 2018 9:15 PM

I'm dying to find out about the public tip. A relative? A neighbor? A blind DNA hit that they had to backtrack to find a legal way to use?

by Anonymousreply 179April 25, 2018 9:18 PM

R169 here, thanks R173, that's it exactly. Ferocious heat in the summer. I would get up very early to take the dog out and do any outside chores, then I would retreat inside until it was time to leave for work at two or three in the afternoon. It really was like walking into an oven. One of my roommates hung those big matchstick curtains down from the eaves outside the house so the sun didn't hit the windows after noon. We had no air conditioning, so it was a big help. I wasn't in Sacramento during the worst of the murders, but it must have been horrible never being able to sleep with windows open at night.

by Anonymousreply 180April 25, 2018 9:25 PM

To think that the poor Bradford girls and Abby were living in Sacramento in the late 70s when this guy was active. Good thing they all lived together at home. Safer that way.

by Anonymousreply 181April 25, 2018 9:27 PM

Elizabeth Bradford would have strangled him to death with her long extension telephone cord, while he choked out his last words: "Uhhh... but I was really after Nancy... uhhhh... you know, 'The Pretty One!'"

by Anonymousreply 182April 25, 2018 9:44 PM

He has terrible skin.

I bet he was a picker.

by Anonymousreply 183April 25, 2018 9:47 PM

[quote]Also, during the press conference the police said flat out that Patton's wife, Michelle's work, did not help the case.

Glad they said it. Terribly written book with wrong conclusions. Michelle was a decent person (used to interact with her in her blog) but she used other people’s research without credit and discovered nothing new about the case. Seeing Patton and his fangirls trying to hashtag their way into this is beyond gross. This is a time for the victims, not the band wagoners.

by Anonymousreply 184April 25, 2018 9:51 PM

r179 If they had a DNA sample in evidence, all they'd have to do is have someone come forward with a general tip, like my dad admitted to be the Visalia Ransacker, and the police could test the DNA of the family member who came forward. Provided they verified the two were actually related, of course.

by Anonymousreply 185April 25, 2018 9:53 PM

R184 I doubt his motives are sinister. I’m not a fan but I think when it comes to the deceased we lose a bit a logic. He probably thinks she deserves some credit for all this.

by Anonymousreply 186April 25, 2018 9:58 PM

Was the press conference even televised outside of California?

The big networks are ignoring this news as they did for Arpaio and the West coast fires from last year.

by Anonymousreply 187April 25, 2018 10:03 PM

I see something like this and think "Oh my God, some people are so productive..." I mean his day also lasted 24 hours and he had the time to commit all those crimes, start a family, and have a full-time job?? Please don't tell me he also had pets and volunteered in the community. I'm starting to wonder what went wrong with my life...

by Anonymousreply 188April 25, 2018 10:17 PM

R173 Let's hope he does sue Patton and Michelle's estate. Not that I believe they are rich but they are both famewhores, narcissists, drug addicts, and grifters.

by Anonymousreply 189April 25, 2018 10:21 PM

If it McNamara's book had any effect on the case, it was making the Baby Dick Killer case a hot topic again. A highly publicized book got people interested in the case and may have resulted in more police attention to the case, or more resources given to solving a cold case.

Although it's also possible that the anti-police demonstrations following the shooting of Stephon Clark may have also had an effect. Suddenly, the Sac PD looks good!

by Anonymousreply 190April 25, 2018 10:32 PM

CNN has the mugshot on their front page.

by Anonymousreply 191April 25, 2018 10:33 PM

There was also a recent five or six part documentary on the case, R190, that was years in the making. I think it aired on HLN within the last month or so. It featured some of the victims, which was very brave on them given that the EARSON threatened some of his victims years after the crime. The documentary might have been the trigger for whoever tipped the police, if indeed someone did.

by Anonymousreply 192April 25, 2018 10:36 PM

I just read that he retired 2 weeks ago from his job as a mechanic. So here's my theory- he's living with his daughter and granddaughter, and now that he's out of work he's really, really driving them crazy with his fussiness over the house and the yard, and random screaming for no particular reason, and they have no place else to live that they can afford. So either the daughter knows he's EARONS, or she highly suspects, and she drops a dime on him to get him out of the damn house so she and her kid can live in peace for once.

My theory can't be any crazier than anything else in the news the past year and a half.

by Anonymousreply 193April 25, 2018 10:47 PM

Or he threatened them, R193, and she decided to play fucking hardball in response. He's probably been a sick abusive bastard her entire life.

Who owns the house, and who gets the house if he goes to jail for life? Is he still married?

by Anonymousreply 194April 25, 2018 10:53 PM

Or he abused the granddaughter and the daughter went to the cops.

by Anonymousreply 195April 25, 2018 11:11 PM

I'm not really familiar with this case. I think I actually only heard about it because of DL and would mostly skip the threads because it seemed to attract one particular crazy...

But this guy got off on contacting victims and the police years after his crimes, right?

I wouldn't be surprised if now in his old age, part of him is enjoying this as it might feed in to that sick, twisted mind that wants to take credit for all the things he did and got away with for so long.

Also, do the sketches of him remind anyone else of a young Sean Penn?

by Anonymousreply 196April 25, 2018 11:12 PM

Can the family member get the reward if they've known for years?

by Anonymousreply 197April 25, 2018 11:14 PM

It seems like he remained active and hidden for a lot longer than any of the others, did he really contact police? It seems like revisiting sites/continued contact is how they’re usually caught.

by Anonymousreply 198April 25, 2018 11:18 PM

R188 = post of the day!

by Anonymousreply 199April 25, 2018 11:29 PM

[quote]R32...No he wasn't. He was arrested in California.

Perhaps was arrested in the CITY of Australia, STATE of California.

by Anonymousreply 200April 25, 2018 11:29 PM

[quote]r105 we have legal procedures in place. There is no "it's undeniably him" until he has been through a trial or until he has confessed.


by Anonymousreply 201April 25, 2018 11:34 PM

[quote]R107 I have also been stalking MSNBC and CNN and....

Unfortunate choice of words, in this incident...

by Anonymousreply 202April 25, 2018 11:35 PM

[bold]Of course[/bold] he would be a former cop.

by Anonymousreply 203April 25, 2018 11:36 PM

Here’s johnny....

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by Anonymousreply 204April 25, 2018 11:37 PM

Serial criminals who turn out to be employed in law enforcement are not that uncommon...

From the 1970s in France, just 1 hour north of Paris:

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by Anonymousreply 205April 25, 2018 11:40 PM

Link is for the film version

by Anonymousreply 206April 25, 2018 11:41 PM

[quote]I see something like this and think "Oh my God, some people are so productive..." I mean his day also lasted 24 hours and he had the time to commit all those crimes, start a family, and have a full-time job??

Life was much more boring before the internet, R188.

Lots more time to ... fill.

by Anonymousreply 207April 25, 2018 11:56 PM

Maybe the daughter was already suspicious or knew the truth and was afraid that now that her father retired from his job that he would go back to raping and killing people.

by Anonymousreply 208April 25, 2018 11:59 PM

Or he said something that tipped her off or she found the newspaper clippings. Lots of serial killers over the years have kept the press clippings.

Although I’m more inclined to think he provoked her in some way to go to the cops, possibly by threatening or abusing her daughter. Perhaps he was violent towards her. He’s very bad tempered according to neighbours.

by Anonymousreply 209April 26, 2018 12:03 AM

Maybe his daughter recently picked up Patton's wife's book!!!

by Anonymousreply 210April 26, 2018 12:06 AM

The presser was so self congratulatory, it made me almost uncomfortable.

The first DA who spoke (blonde woman) said we will know more in time, but I guess I still don't understand how he was caught. So, it has been confirmed the daughter provided DNA and tips? Then, the police confirmed that with his own discarded DNA from the house? There was really very little information actually revealed in that conference.

He looks evil to me in the mug shot. Purely evil eyes.

by Anonymousreply 211April 26, 2018 12:14 AM


Her time has come...

by Anonymousreply 212April 26, 2018 12:15 AM

"And apparently MacNamara was wrong about the primary suspect, I wonder if her suspect will sue her estate?"

She never named anyone.

by Anonymousreply 213April 26, 2018 12:31 AM

No, actually I gave it some thought before I posted, r202. It's just my sense of humor. I think this is a big story that deserves more coverage than it's getting in the MSM. The five part series on the GSK that aired a couple of months ago on HLN was good. And scary. The guy was fucking terrifying.

by Anonymousreply 214April 26, 2018 12:53 AM

I hate to be so insensitive because he just lost his mother but he looks like an age progressed George W to me.

by Anonymousreply 215April 26, 2018 12:56 AM

He's one of the killers. There's another one. The son of the developer of the tract houses. The developer owned a horse ranch. Michelle made notes on the tying of ropes and the pennies stolen. Pennies are added to horse watering troughs. Also there's a sketch where the rapist looks like Kirk Cameron of Titanic. Looks nothing like this guy. Back then there were serial killers with overlapping territory. This guy arrested was definitely in Vasalia.

by Anonymousreply 216April 26, 2018 1:06 AM

[quote]So, it has been confirmed the daughter provided DNA and tips?

No, they’ve been very tight lipped over what initially lead them to Deangelo. The daughter speculation came from the proboards, but nothing confirmed.

by Anonymousreply 217April 26, 2018 1:09 AM

HLN will be re-airing all Unmasking a Killer eps starting Thursday night at 8pm ET. Just had a banner on the screen.

by Anonymousreply 218April 26, 2018 1:12 AM

I read somewhere (Reddit?) the DNA was provided by a niece.

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by Anonymousreply 220April 26, 2018 1:19 AM

They just said on the news that evidence from the Ventura murders was what cracked the case open. They also played the tape of the “Gonna kill you” phone message he left for one of the victims. I wish I’d never heard it.

by Anonymousreply 221April 26, 2018 1:20 AM

[quote]Back then there were serial killers with overlapping territory.

I’ll bet they hated to share their turf.

by Anonymousreply 222April 26, 2018 1:22 AM

The only murders not charged now are the four people in Santa Barbara. But apparently that’s coming soon.

by Anonymousreply 223April 26, 2018 1:23 AM

How many people in this thread are actually homosexualists? Because y'all sound like a gaggle of fat, midwestern fraus with college aged children who only keep in the sparest of contact.

by Anonymousreply 224April 26, 2018 1:24 AM

Picture of him in high school

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by Anonymousreply 225April 26, 2018 1:31 AM

They all look like serial killers in R225's picture.

by Anonymousreply 226April 26, 2018 1:33 AM

R224 I’m gay. I always thought they’d never catch the guy so I find this interesting. Although you’re probably right, some of the posters are definitely women. In this instance I don’t care though, since this isn’t a topic specific to gay people.

by Anonymousreply 227April 26, 2018 1:35 AM

Bye-bye forever, r224.

by Anonymousreply 228April 26, 2018 1:43 AM

I'm glad this asshole didn't get the chance to commit suicide first!

by Anonymousreply 229April 26, 2018 1:57 AM

As opposed to the affected use of y'all that screams trying too hard? Yeah, bless your heart, r224. And do have another slice of Minnie's 'special' pie.

by Anonymousreply 230April 26, 2018 2:01 AM

[quote] Kirk Cameron of Titanic.

Huh? Did I miss something? Do I have to quit weed?

by Anonymousreply 231April 26, 2018 2:07 AM

R190 Michelle McNamara's predictions about EAR/ONS turned out to be laughably wrong. She published a piece a couple of years ago on how the nautical knots on the ligatures of victims meant nothing, and it turns out suspect was in Navy. All she did was get leads and info the police were already using or had used in the past on POI who were not EAR/ONS, and let her use for the book. She did no independent investigating. Patton's been dining out on this for years ,and Michelle's book as well as Winters' book and all of the blogs and podcasts did not discover anything new about EAR/ONS that was not known about for decades, and these hack writers take credit for things that other people such as LE and forensics techs took credit for. McNamara also claimed that EAR/ONS has a Germanic or British last name, and he has an Italian last name.

You also have fools here on reddit and on the pro board who claim that EAR/ONS was somehow protected since he was in law enforcement and this is not true.

Patton's wife died, from what turned out to be a drug overdose, but then when Patton claimed he gave his wife a Xanax it turns out she was taking Fentanyl and had been for awhile as well as lots of other drugs the police found, and if you have insomnia you do not take Fent or opiates to sleep, and even Benzos are not good sleeping medications, and unless you have a death wish you never take fent, or combine an opiate with a benzo.

Then Patton went public with his slam piece before the wife’s body was even cold.

This guy is a supreme douche and Patton looks like a homeless pedo, and alcoholic.

Let's be honest would Patton ever get laid if he wasn't a celebrity?

Joseph James DeAngelo probably did rape or sexually abuse his daughters, and possibly his ex wives and girlfriends? I would not be surprised if his ex wife did know or suspect he was EAR/ONS since he has a micro penis and victims could hear him using a penis pump during the rapes and his wife had to have known about this.

by Anonymousreply 232April 26, 2018 2:08 AM

I really want to see a photo of what this suspect looked like in the 1970s. The police artists' rendering were all so similar that he would HAVE to look like this drawings then.

by Anonymousreply 233April 26, 2018 2:10 AM

R224 I'm bisexual, but I find homosexualists to be boring, if you're gay that's cool and fine but don't act like being gay, bisexual, or something other than heterosexual means that heterosexual people or people who are not 'gay enough' or who don't make being gay their whole identity are somehow ashamed of being gay, bi, or whatever they identify as.

I've been out for decades, so spare me the BS about how I must be closeted or am lying or mistaken about being bisexual.

R233 I posted a pic of him as a cop in the 1970s.

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by Anonymousreply 234April 26, 2018 2:13 AM

This article has more about his family life. First of all they claimed it's not true that his family turned him in. There also seems to be some debate over the status of his marriage - some say he's divorced, others say he and the wife are estranged but still legally married

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by Anonymousreply 235April 26, 2018 2:14 AM

Was a foreman at a Pepsi plant prior to retirement.

by Anonymousreply 236April 26, 2018 2:16 AM

R216 Michelle's predictions about EAR/ONS turned out to be wrong though, as did the predictions of bloggers, podcasters, hack writers who just copied everything that was already known about EAR/ONS, people on message boards/reddit, etc.

by Anonymousreply 237April 26, 2018 2:17 AM

There is too much publicity-glorification of murderers.

by Anonymousreply 238April 26, 2018 2:20 AM

R235 people have been doxxing his family and leaving bad reviews for his "wife" on her yelp page.

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by Anonymousreply 239April 26, 2018 2:27 AM

That’s awful r239. They’re separated and so far there’s no evidence she knew. They seem to have raised three normal daughters so perhaps they had no idea. Seriously why drag her into it without knowing the details first.

by Anonymousreply 240April 26, 2018 2:48 AM

The cops always act like their investigative work led to the killer when it was forensic science that hands them the killer. The worst offenders are the cops in WA when it came to the Green River killer. When he was caught you should have seen the spectacle of a press conference they had. They acted like all their gum shoe leather solved the case. When in fact a cop that wasn't even on the task force solved it by insisting that a DNA sample of Ridgeway be run. In fact the behavior and stupid mistakes of the police in WA allowed the The Green River killer to keep killing for a decade.

I also love Oswald making the press rounds like his wife's book helped break the case. I get his emotional baggage regarding her death but she did nothing to advance the case.

by Anonymousreply 241April 26, 2018 2:52 AM

Can you imagine finding out in your thirties that your father is a psychopathic serial rapist/murderer?

by Anonymousreply 242April 26, 2018 3:02 AM

[quote]R192 There was also a recent five or six part documentary on the case, [R190], that was years in the making. I think it aired on HLN within the last month or so.

Does anyone know the specific title of this?

by Anonymousreply 243April 26, 2018 3:04 AM

I just read on another site that the match wasmade when his daughter was arrested and had to give a DNA sample. There was a familial match to the profile they had from crime scenes, which led to DeAngelo. I can't wait to find out if this is true.

by Anonymousreply 244April 26, 2018 3:04 AM

R60, those sites don't give out your DNA, moron.

by Anonymousreply 245April 26, 2018 3:22 AM

[quote]R224 How many people in this thread are actually homosexualists? Because y'all sound like a gaggle of fat, midwestern fraus with college aged children who only keep in the sparest of contact.

What does this mean?

by Anonymousreply 246April 26, 2018 3:24 AM

It just means fraus love their true crime. Just like Patton's wife they think they're going to solve a case one day. They never do.

by Anonymousreply 247April 26, 2018 3:26 AM

[quote] Does anyone know the specific title of this?

Unmasking a Killer

by Anonymousreply 248April 26, 2018 3:28 AM

You’re on a gay site r246.

by Anonymousreply 249April 26, 2018 3:30 AM

R241, that's true and it will be remembered for posterity when the dust settles. There's another younger killer out there. There were 2 killers. Michelle only came up with one fact. The knot tying. That's it. They weren't sailor knots but knots used on a horse ranch. Also why would D'Angelo steal jars of pennies from victims? That's horse ranch speak.

by Anonymousreply 250April 26, 2018 3:34 AM

I love anything to do with forensics and criminal profiling and got hooked on true-crime books with Helter Skelter by Bugliosi. Nothing is stranger, or scarier, than real life. This case has it all. I like the two killers theory, r250.

by Anonymousreply 251April 26, 2018 3:38 AM

The Ventura kills were someone else. Younger. Looks like Cameron in the sketch. Figure it out. Michelle was a nasty addict chasing her tail. Spinning her wheels. Annoyed the crap out of local police who limited her access to files. Opiate/Adderall abuser.

by Anonymousreply 252April 26, 2018 3:42 AM

Of course he is a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 253April 26, 2018 3:48 AM

"I also love Oswald making the press rounds like his wife's book helped break the case. I get his emotional baggage regarding her death but she did nothing to advance the case."

His name's not "Oswald" and I do think the publicity generated by the book probably led to police tips - I don't think it's a coincidence that the case is being solved now

by Anonymousreply 254April 26, 2018 3:49 AM

I'm a big queen who is into true crime, and this case, and I'm not the only one.

The fact that this has been solved is fucking crazy. The case was so cold for so long. He was really sloppy and almost dared people to catch him, but he kept getting away with it.

He was the Trump of serial killers.

by Anonymousreply 255April 26, 2018 3:51 AM

No. The big didn't lead to any tips. The book did not lead to a DNA match. Sorry. I know him better by Spence.

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by Anonymousreply 256April 26, 2018 3:51 AM

How the fuck do you know the "big" didn't lead to any tips?

by Anonymousreply 257April 26, 2018 4:02 AM

R253, actually it was posted on Reddit that he’s a registered Democrat.

Shame you can’t find a way to blame Trump for it.

by Anonymousreply 258April 26, 2018 4:05 AM

Look, one killer knew the ins and outs of the developement like the back of his hand. He was able to evade by knowing short cuts in that development. I wonder if the paint matches in some events. The knots weren't military knots but knots used on livestock. Pennies are used to enrich animal drinking troughs. Why would someone bother to steal jars of Pennies from victims? Answer that. The wealthy developer was a shitty absentee father and his wife with the two sons an overbearing bitch. They just happened to have a horse ranch nearby. Of course right now Google images is flooded with only sketches to match this guy. Find the original DL thread were everyone jokes sketch is Kirk Cameron. You'll see. This guy is in his fifties and likes to race cars. He matches a lot of the cases and was physically nimble.

by Anonymousreply 259April 26, 2018 4:07 AM

[quote]R255 I'm a big queen who is into true crime, and this case, and I'm not the only one.


Sometimes I feel kind of bad about it, because part of me feels a lingering guilt about getting entertainment out of some innocent person's death. Yet, it's kind of impossible to turn away!

I guess it's human nature (?)

by Anonymousreply 260April 26, 2018 4:08 AM

Picture of him from the newspaper - an article about a police baseball game from when he was a cop

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by Anonymousreply 261April 26, 2018 4:13 AM

[quote]R248 Unmasking a Killer

Thank you.

I found episode 1 on youtube

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by Anonymousreply 262April 26, 2018 4:16 AM

For me I t’s just psychologically fascinating. How did he turn out like this? How long has he been having dark thoughts before he acted? How does a person lead a double life for so long? Why become a cop, was he trying to be a better person or was he using his training to become a better criminal? Did Vietnam mess him up? Basically I’m fascinated by what turns a person into a monster.

by Anonymousreply 263April 26, 2018 4:19 AM

Yes. I think as per the grisly aspects, it's kind of interesting because it's shockingly different from everyday life. I've lived in big cities and "seen some weird shit," as they say...but at the same time, I've never been exposed to anything like THAT!

So it's kind of like, "Bodies?? Mayhem?? [italic]Oh my!!"

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by Anonymousreply 264April 26, 2018 4:28 AM

R241, she also took credit for people leaving suggestions on her true crime blog. Went to police, claimed it as her own. Problem for her was those suggestions were first sent to SF police before reaching out to her. The police realized her game and cut off contact. She had egg on her face. The real reason for her downward spiral with drugs and depression. Even neglected her daughter. Her marriage and child were sacrificed over her quest for glory. She had absolutely not a modicum of self control. Her obsession overshadowed day to day responsibilities. The omen was when she purchased cufflinks from a scene and brought them to the police commissioner. Totally delusional. She binged on junk food, microwaved lean cuisines for her daughter. Slept for days at a time while withdrawing from opiates and then would go on Adderall binges. So if you're wondering why Patton moved on so quickly, there's your answer. Addicts are manipulating users. She was a shitty mom. Gurl, bye.

by Anonymousreply 265April 26, 2018 4:31 AM

R260, no. Don't feel guilty. It's actually a survival instinct to be aware of damaged people we share this earth with. It's not just morbid curiosity and entertainment. It's a lesson.

by Anonymousreply 266April 26, 2018 4:35 AM

R265 The thing that's revealing to me is her husband said she was having trouble sleeping, due to nightmares.

If your work or hobby or whatever is begining to GIVE YOU NIGHTMARES, [italic]stop!

by Anonymousreply 267April 26, 2018 4:35 AM

R267, the nightmare was being outed by the police and being ostracized. A phony. Addicts only care about themselves. Her nightmares were probably when she was suffering opiate withdrawal. They always have nightmares during this stage. They also stay in bed for two to three days at a clip, especially when they can't renew Adderall or Vyvanse because they abused and binged on their 30 day supply in 15 days. Probably used Suboxone strips to ease the opiate withdrawal.

by Anonymousreply 268April 26, 2018 4:44 AM

[quote]How the fuck do you know the "big" didn't lead to any tips?

Because they’ve made it clear this was based entirely on a DNA hit, most likely familial. The Sacramento DA said outright this arrest was not due to tips. The theory that one of his daughters had her DNA swabbed due to her own arrest makes sense; that’s how the Grim Sleeper was caught- his son had a felony conviction, DNA was taken, boom! A match.

At most McNamara’s book brought some publicity to the case; that the book’s release was within a couple of months of this guy’s arrest is a very fortunate coincidence, that’s all. Most of us who’ve been following this case for years know who were the real players were; McNamara wasn’t ever one of them.

by Anonymousreply 269April 26, 2018 4:47 AM

What I find fascinating about these type of killers is that once discovered - there’s often confessions that reveal other murders no one even knew about - there were missing people whose bodies had never been found, etc - or often the crimes happened in other jurisdictions and no one made a connection...

I’m convinced that there are far fewer of these momsters out there than all the tv crime shows would have us believe - and it’s a relatively small pool of perpetrators committing the crimes.

So I wonder why this guy stopped what he was doing? Would have thought he’d gotten away with it for so long and found it so exciting - what motivated him to stop? And how long ago?

Unless he’s adopted a different method since the old days - and no ones realised he’s kept going on and on and hurt many more people as well...?

by Anonymousreply 270April 26, 2018 5:00 AM

Detectives from both the Orange County and Sacramento SD, and forensics technicians spent their life's work on this case. It was horrifying. Any conception of what those photos looked like? Neither did Michelle McNamara.

Michelle McNamara came up with a 'catchy moniker' and considered herself a victim - in her cheap, 2013 article and her poorly written and researched book - which certainly thrilled Reddit true crime kids but added nothing new about EAR/ONS that had not been discussed for decades. Her main source was Paul Holes - who insisted the killer did not have a police or military background, because 'his hair was too long". Didn't see much of him today.

by Anonymousreply 271April 26, 2018 5:37 AM

I love these gals....

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by Anonymousreply 272April 26, 2018 5:44 AM

R270 that's how I feel about them. Also I wonder if he sexually abused his wife and daughters? His wife had to have known or had some suspicion that her husband was a psychopath/sociopath and into raping women.

Exactly R269 of course Patton and the Michelle Fanboys on reddit and other sites are going crazy claiming Michelle helped solve the case, etc. when in reality law enforcement and forensics techs did, and not hack writers like McNamara, podcasters like morf, or that idiot cunt Kat Winters who did nothing but plagiarize and totally copy the Larry Crompton book and take credit for things LE found out first.

by Anonymousreply 273April 26, 2018 5:47 AM

I don't feel guilty in taking entertainment from true-life stories, or horror movie slashers, which we're always told to abhor.

Because people SHOULD be contemplating what to do in these true-to-life situations. It's information valuable to navigating your life.

We should all learn the tell-tale signs of sociopaths and psychopaths.

by Anonymousreply 274April 26, 2018 5:53 AM

I think it’s unfair to suggest his wife knew.

by Anonymousreply 275April 26, 2018 5:59 AM

r275 so do I.

by Anonymousreply 276April 26, 2018 6:00 AM

[italic]LOCK 'ER UP ! !

by Anonymousreply 277April 26, 2018 6:00 AM

R265 All of what you wrote is true, also her former husband who quickly moved onto his slam piece on the side after Michelle overdosed and he's also a polydrug addict as he claimed he gave her a xanax when she could not sleep, when Xanax is used for anxiety or apparently quelling a panic attack or making someone black out, but not insomnia, and he had to have known she was taking Fent and other opiates.

When the police searched their house after her death-which they claimed was due to "heart failure" when it was really a drug overdose, the cops found lots of drugs and they were not all Michelle's. I really feel bad for their daughter having to grow up with two drug addicted narcissists as parents, and now a step-mom who is also chasing fame and a narcissist.

by Anonymousreply 278April 26, 2018 6:01 AM

That's a hard, decrepit, age 72. The evil inside is corrosive.

by Anonymousreply 279April 26, 2018 6:03 AM

It sounds like new inventions in DNA technology and newborn children/ raising toddlers are what stopped DeAngelo from killing, r270.

He was educated in law enforcement techniques and dedicated to staying one step ahead of them, so he probably realized he was toast as soon as DNA technology and information databases got savvy.

He was a rapist. If he knew what labs and detectives could do today, there's no way he'd be dumping his DNA in all his rape victims.

by Anonymousreply 280April 26, 2018 6:03 AM

R275, she knew something. Even I know something about an ex SO. So why don't I pursue it with evidence? Don't want to be forever known as SO of serial killer. The police, D.A and FBI aren't astute enough concerning IT matters. Especially on the Apple platform. Luddites and damaging by proxy acting like you're crazy. So when he is discovered, I won't feel a tinge of guilt. Let him keep killing. I even have profiles of missing people in his computer I hacked and hid. He nearly killed me to get it. Crushed my larynx. Not my problem any more. Just recovering from a psychopath. Surviving. That's my business but all along I subconsciously knew. Came to light when I hit a year sobriety from drinking.

by Anonymousreply 281April 26, 2018 6:11 AM


by Anonymousreply 282April 26, 2018 6:16 AM

It depends how good he was at maintaining a double life r281. Maybe she thought he was distant, cold, moody, cantankerous or even a serial philanderer, but a serial killer and rapist is a thought that doesn’t automatically pop into people’s heads. Especially if he possibly never threatened or raped her or her daughters. Just because someone is a nasty SOB husband/wife doesn’t mean they’re moonlighting as a murderer.

by Anonymousreply 283April 26, 2018 6:26 AM

And wouldn't you know it?

The year DeAngelo apparently stopped raping was the year DNA tests were first used to convict a criminal in a court of law:

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by Anonymousreply 284April 26, 2018 6:31 AM

I remember the big thread we had on this a few years ago. It was really interesting. I think most agreed he was navy because of his knot tying ability and he was disciplined. I think we thought he was younger, though.

His voice on the phone was creepy as hell.

by Anonymousreply 285April 26, 2018 6:48 AM

I wonder if we'll find out about new victims that the public doesn't know about.

by Anonymousreply 286April 26, 2018 6:51 AM

There’s always are r286. An unexplained murder that had a similar MO in some town across the country that the local cops didn’t recognise as having similar traits to the serial murders on the other side of the country, and it turns out the serial killer was where there that weekend on a business/fishing/wedding trip 35 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 287April 26, 2018 6:58 AM

I think the number of sexual assaults has been underreported/underestimated. Something like only 10% of rapes are reported by women, and this would be an even smaller number back in the 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 288April 26, 2018 7:12 AM

R281, if that’s the case, you have an obligation to report him. Call the police anonymously, or call a tip line with anonymity. Give them all the information you have. If the police can’t catch him, at least you’re not complicit. If you don’t, you are partly responsible for everyone he kills.

I doubt most people would judge you.

by Anonymousreply 289April 26, 2018 7:18 AM

What a ridiculous reason to not report a crime. Nice that you are risking other peoples' lives for your own vanity.

by Anonymousreply 290April 26, 2018 7:30 AM

R281, go away. You come to all these GSK with your crazy fanfiction to try to derail and get attention for yourself. Enough.

by Anonymousreply 291April 26, 2018 7:44 AM

[quote]Can you imagine finding out in your thirties that your father is a psychopathic serial rapist/murderer?

Interesting article about Kerri Rawson, daughter of Dennis "BTK" Rader on exactly what that's like.

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by Anonymousreply 292April 26, 2018 8:19 AM

R281, you're an obnoxious asshole, claiming to know that the wife knew, when in reality, you know nothing. Just supposition from your fevered imagination.

Please stop.

by Anonymousreply 293April 26, 2018 8:30 AM

r281 writes blind items for CDAN.

by Anonymousreply 294April 26, 2018 9:05 AM

He was a monster. Being a child when he was "active" was hell. So glad he's gone.

by Anonymousreply 295April 26, 2018 9:29 AM

" If someone was yelling all the time while at work, for example, he wouldn't have been tolerated. "

Yes, they would have been arrested and charged with serial homicide!!

Sometimes, we burned them as witches.

Ahhh, the good old days.

by Anonymousreply 296April 26, 2018 9:32 AM

Don't be a dick, r296. They'd have been fired and saddled with a reputation that would have kept them out of the industry.

Shame the cops weren't the same way, but those of us alive in the 70s remember all too well that a cop with a reputation for being inappropriate and violent was considered a good catch.

by Anonymousreply 297April 26, 2018 9:41 AM

R45--Van Heflin?

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by Anonymousreply 298April 26, 2018 10:11 AM

Urgh! Just googled ‘golden state killer’ news to see if any more details about how he was caught had been revealed -

To find that half of the references were all about that drugfucked woman’s book - seriously - they’re all talking about it as she solved the case - wtf?

There’s even a tweet from Stephen King - shilling the damned book and saying how great it is...

This is fucked! From what I understand - the guy they’ve caught wasn’t even on her radar! How on earth is she getting all the credit? What about the police who actually caught him? This is totally fucked!

by Anonymousreply 299April 26, 2018 10:58 AM

Calm down, R299. The media is referencing a popular culture item that readers can relate to. They'd do it with any book, movie, documentary, whatever.

The hate you Websleuths ladies feel for McNamara is really inappropriate.

by Anonymousreply 300April 26, 2018 11:00 AM

Good link, R292. I can't believe that Ronny Wood guy took to Twitter to call Rader's daughter names like that. Then he died a few months later of a rare disease, apparently. Crazy.

GSK's family is going to have the same crazy to deal with, though all outward signs indicate the ex and one daughter have not exactly been paragons of virtue, if arrests and/or Yelp reviews are any indication. It makes me wonder what exactly was known in that household.

But I once worked with a man who turned out to be a murderer on the lam, who was only caught because he upset his wife one night so she finally reported him to the police after knowing for years he'd beaten little old ladies to death. So my personal view on this might be skewed.

by Anonymousreply 301April 26, 2018 11:05 AM

Somebody always knows.

by Anonymousreply 302April 26, 2018 11:13 AM

I knew!

by Anonymousreply 303April 26, 2018 11:23 AM

Possibly r302 but not necessarily the wife. He might have needed her in order to keep up appearances of being a normal family man and also needed her financially after he was fired, so he may have been very careful to hide who he was from her.

I always wonder what a serial killer/rapists sees in the woman he marries. Why is she marriage material and other women deserve to die/suffer. Are the ones they choose to marry naive? The type to not ask questions? Busy career women who are too preoccupied with work to pay too much attention to what the husband does?

by Anonymousreply 304April 26, 2018 11:27 AM

R304, Russell Williams married a career woman, and they lived separate lives, often only seeing each other on the weekends and rarely having sex. GSK's wife was a lawyer, so perhaps it was the same sort of "arrangement."

There are naive wives, too. A parole officer told me about a man who had killed a woman and came home covered in blood. He gave his wife some lame excuse and she helped him clean up.

by Anonymousreply 305April 26, 2018 11:54 AM

R303 - that reference would have slated in 1938 or 1994.

by Anonymousreply 306April 26, 2018 12:04 PM

^ slayed.

by Anonymousreply 307April 26, 2018 12:07 PM

Or perhaps lawyers are busy r305, they can work very long hours. Easy to come home from an evening of committing heinous crimes, change, have a shower and park yourself in front of the TV before the wife arrives home. Also people might not be as suspicious of the cop with the lawyer wife and their immaculately clean home as they might be of the loner with the bad attitude. Of course the arrival of kids might have meant he couldn’t get away so easily so it slowed down his activities.

by Anonymousreply 308April 26, 2018 12:09 PM

Bet r291 also posts on the "Pedal to the Metal" ledbian murder suicide with children threads. Hope these do not devolve to the fan fiction/oversharing of those threads.

by Anonymousreply 309April 26, 2018 2:53 PM

*lesbian. Excuse me.

by Anonymousreply 310April 26, 2018 2:54 PM

[quote] [R275], she knew something.

And you're claiming this based on what evidence?

All the time we find people lead double lives their spouses know nothing about. They even have other families their sposes know nothing about. Your personal experience is not enough for me to condemn this woman--sorry.

by Anonymousreply 311April 26, 2018 2:58 PM

I absolutely do not, r309.

by Anonymousreply 312April 26, 2018 2:59 PM

IKR r309, those threads are a mess, it’s like a prayer circle at the scrapbooking club meeting in there. Not a homosexualist to be found on those threads.

by Anonymousreply 313April 26, 2018 3:22 PM

"I’m convinced that there are far fewer of these momsters out there than all the tv crime shows would have us believe - and it’s a relatively small pool of perpetrators committing the crimes."

It's the opposite. Most killers only kill once. Serial killers are relatively rare.

The people insisting that the wife must have known are the same misogynists who try to blame women for everything. Ignore them.

by Anonymousreply 314April 26, 2018 3:23 PM

[quote] Most killers only kill once. Serial killers are relatively rare.

Interesting assertion. No surprise when u think of all those who may commit murder to achieve an end EG killing dude who fucked your wife (revenge) or someone who knows you committed a crime (self protection) or is standing between you and a windfall (financial motive). But of that subsection of sickos who kill for pleasure, I’d like to think that group is pretty small and contained.

by Anonymousreply 315April 26, 2018 3:30 PM

Yeah, whenever a straight man does something terrible, the same nitwits search around for some woman associated with him and immediately start blaming HER for his crimes. It never fails, and it never makes sense.

On a lighter note, we're being remiss! On an earlier thread we agreed to call him "The Baby Dick Killer", and urge everyone talking about this case to do the same. I think we should make an effort to call him THE BABY DICK KILLER, because by all reports he's hung like a gnat, an he's still alive... and hasn't suffered enough. I don't think it's possible for him to suffer enough, but I still think we should make the effort.

by Anonymousreply 316April 26, 2018 3:56 PM

I don't think we have any idea how many serial killers there are out there, now that they're no longer courting publicity the way the Zodiac and his low-tech fellows did. Those with two neurons to rub together know there's no way to contact law enforcement or the media without risk, so the era of the famewhore serial killer is over. For now.

No, the smart serial killers don't leave DNA, and move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, or make their killings look like accidents, or go overseas to countries where nobody cares what becomes of sex workers, or just make sure the bodies are never found. Who knows how many sickos there are out there, drowning young men or taking women off the highways of British Columbia. Probably not many, but one is too many.

by Anonymousreply 317April 26, 2018 4:08 PM

R189 has an axe to grind

by Anonymousreply 318April 26, 2018 4:23 PM

I wish Patton Oswalt would shut the hell up.

by Anonymousreply 319April 26, 2018 4:31 PM

R208 the one daughter was arrested, and had her DNA taken and it matched her father's DNA, and he had been a suspect for awhile and was being watched by law enforcement.

by Anonymousreply 320April 26, 2018 4:36 PM

Patton Oswalt is awesome!

by Anonymousreply 321April 26, 2018 4:38 PM

[quote] Who owns the house, and who gets the house if he goes to jail for life? Is he still married?

Why would you think any of us would know the answers to these questions??

by Anonymousreply 322April 26, 2018 4:38 PM

R319 everyone does, as well as McNamara's relatives who think that Michelle's book actually helped solve the case when that was not what happened.

R321 yeah maybe if you're a 10 -15 year old fan girl.

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by Anonymousreply 323April 26, 2018 4:41 PM

One daughter appears to have a rap sheet going back to 2002. Do we suppose a DNA swab has been sitting unprocessed since then? Would explain the victim’s brother’s speech (at press conf) re: devoting more resources to DNA processing.

by Anonymousreply 324April 26, 2018 5:07 PM

I find it surprising he was fired from his cop job in 1979 for stealing a hammer and dog spray. Seems even nowadays a cop can be accused of killing someone and still not get fired..

by Anonymousreply 325April 26, 2018 5:17 PM

[quote]R325 I find it surprising he was fired from his cop job in 1979 for stealing a hammer and dog spray. Seems even nowadays a cop can be accused of killing someone and still not get fired..

In the podcast at R272, they theorize that -- given his disturbed personality -- he might have already been on thin ice at work for past behavior, and that's just the event that sealed his fate, there.

He would accept being fired without a fight, because if he callenged it, it would lead to an investigation into him, his job performance, etc. and he wouldn't want anything uncovered.

A guest on that show does ask why the police force wasn't suspicious when he didn't challenge being fired. So, that's on them. (And who steals dog repellent and a hammer? That should have raised eyebrows, while they were busy looking for a local intruder.)

by Anonymousreply 326April 26, 2018 5:33 PM

I know this isn’t a new sentiment, but the 60/70/80s produced some sick serial (mostly women) killers.

(I know we’ve theorized that they get caught sooner now)

by Anonymousreply 327April 26, 2018 5:37 PM

The golden age of American serial killers was pretty much 1965-1985. What was it about the 70s that made the ulture so ripe for serial killers? Were Richard Nixon and Jerry Ford just driving everyone crazy?

by Anonymousreply 328April 26, 2018 5:41 PM

My big question is: what's up with james de Angelo's face in his mug shot? What's on top of his scalp? Why does his skin look so awful?

Surely he could have stolen some moisturizing products from his victims since he was always rummaging through their things. And perhaps a concealer.

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by Anonymousreply 329April 26, 2018 5:45 PM

The wife has terrible reviews for her law practice not just on Yelp.

I’m guessing the daughter who’s been arrested multiple times is not the same as the one who’s a doctor.

by Anonymousreply 330April 26, 2018 5:45 PM

[quote]R329 Surely he could have stolen some moisturizing products from his victims since he was always rummaging through their things.

All the lotion was in the basket.

by Anonymousreply 331April 26, 2018 5:47 PM

What I did learn from my obsession with this case and reading everything I could-

Based victim accounts, this guy has some type of schizoid disorder. NO DOUBT. The crying and pacing and talking to people who were not there..

I think we will learn that this guy was probably psycho to live with. Despite him being "a good father"

This guy's compulsions were so fucking crazy.

For some reason I find it shocking that he killed that young girl. considering he ended up having young girls, but I am sure there are endless psychos who have done that.

And some of those police drawings when he was a suspect are so creepy now. They really nailed his tiny little pursed lips.

His daughters must be beyond horrified. Curious why two are so incredibly successful and one is a criminal.

What a story. What an ending. A miracle that he was caught. A miracle.

by Anonymousreply 332April 26, 2018 5:48 PM

The crying and pacing and talking to people who aren't there is PTSD.

He was a bundle of many different problems.

by Anonymousreply 333April 26, 2018 5:54 PM

Ahhh R333, so perhaps the person above who said he was sexually abused- seriously abused, is right on the money-

You guys are GOOD>

by Anonymousreply 334April 26, 2018 5:55 PM

[quote]R332 His daughters must be beyond horrified. Curious why two are so incredibly successful and one is a criminal.

Well, one very [italic]bad[/italic] reason comes to mind...

by Anonymousreply 335April 26, 2018 5:58 PM

[quote]I’m guessing the daughter who’s been arrested multiple times is not the same as the one who’s a doctor.

No. Daughter #1 has at least one arrest for misdemeanor possession, perhaps three arrests total, all at least 10 years prior. She the one believed to be living with Deangelo along with her child.

Daughter #2 is the physician and lives out of state.

Daughter #3 is a grad student.

by Anonymousreply 336April 26, 2018 6:04 PM

Thanks R336. I figured the "criminal" daughter had been sexually abused by him. But she really isn't a criminal.......

You guys are like that lady reporter from Youtube.


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by Anonymousreply 338April 26, 2018 6:09 PM

So during that East Area Rapist community conference, where a man stood up and declared that the EAR would never attack his wife or household (and then EAR proceeded to attack that same couple).. DeAngelo was sitting there in the capacity of an off-duty, plainclothes officer? Seems rather risky that his presence might have been recognized, no?

by Anonymousreply 339April 26, 2018 6:12 PM

He always wore a mask during his EAR attacks. After nearly getting caught as the Ransacker when the cop saw his face is when he changed his mo.

by Anonymousreply 340April 26, 2018 6:55 PM

Its sick if the wife knew and said nothing, doesn't that make her an accessory to murder?

by Anonymousreply 341April 26, 2018 7:14 PM

Why are we speculating that the wife knew? Her husband was a cop, so it's not like having her husband out, driving around late at night and odd hours would be some red flag.

by Anonymousreply 342April 26, 2018 7:39 PM

I'm amazed he got away for so long. The police drawings nailed his face. He owned (or borrowed) a white German Shepherd with a missing toe that he took to commit some of the rapes/murders. How is it that the people around him didn't identify him?

by Anonymousreply 343April 26, 2018 8:33 PM

[quote] He owned (or borrowed) a white German Shepherd with a missing toe that he took to commit some of the rapes/murders

Wtf! It just gets more & more bizarre

by Anonymousreply 344April 26, 2018 8:48 PM

He was sexually abused?

Called Bonnie’s name while raping and murdering?

Had a missing toed white dog in his escapades?

He used a penis pump?

Anything else?

by Anonymousreply 345April 26, 2018 8:57 PM

Not just a white dog. A white GSD. There are very few GSD breeders, and it's very conspicuous when someone has one. How did NO ONE in his neighborhood, in his police unit, notice this?

by Anonymousreply 346April 26, 2018 9:03 PM

R334 it doesn’t mean he was sexually abused.

There are serial killers and child molesters who will tell you no one ever sexually abused them, Jeffrey Dahmer for example.

Serial killers are often (but not always) raised in abusive homes, physical and/or extreme emotional abuse but not always. The Unabomber was a loved kid for example.

by Anonymousreply 347April 26, 2018 9:07 PM

Reading about the Unabomber's mother asking her son (the brother) to keep in touch with him and not abandon him, even though the Unabomber throws away all the brother's letters unopened, broke my heart.

by Anonymousreply 348April 26, 2018 9:09 PM

Why was Deangelo Sr. living in Korea? Did Jr. (killer) resent/dislike/hate his stepfather?

by Anonymousreply 349April 26, 2018 9:14 PM

Has anyone read the book that came out in February?

by Anonymousreply 350April 26, 2018 9:17 PM

R346 German Shepard’s were a popular breed of dog in the 70s. A white one was unusual but not unheard of. Plus we don’t know if he ever walked it during the day. If he found out the cops knew about the dog chances are he either bumped off the dog or he stopped walking it.

by Anonymousreply 351April 26, 2018 9:17 PM

The "golden age" of serial killers is thankfully over due to DNA, street camera surveillance, home security systems and smart phones. This guy may be the last of his kind. The 1970's were prime time for these type of criminals because surveillance technology and DNA were absent and the relatively new interstate highway system allowed for quick getaways.

by Anonymousreply 352April 26, 2018 9:21 PM

can you imagine getting caught after 40 years? I mean, i'm glad this fucker is in jail, but i'm sure he was positive he had gotten away with murder...

Also, i now DEMAND a movie about a young woman discovering that her dad was a famous serial killer. Too bad Fincher already made Zodiac, he would've been my first choice for that.

by Anonymousreply 353April 26, 2018 9:25 PM

This reminds me of when we caught the Butch Sous Chef killer in Washington D.C.

good times

by Anonymousreply 354April 26, 2018 9:26 PM

We did no such thing r354. Despite some DLers taking full credit.

by Anonymousreply 355April 26, 2018 9:41 PM

R355, the one guy who had hooked up with him and gave the cops the guy's email address sure as hell did.

by Anonymousreply 356April 26, 2018 9:42 PM

SOFT butch sous chef, R354.

And I don't know about "caught", but it was a great thread.

by Anonymousreply 357April 26, 2018 9:42 PM

I read about half of Michelle McNamara's book. I'd been looking forward to it, because, as a Californian, I've lived with this case since the early 80s.

But the book just wasn't very interesting, and she imposes herself into it constantly.

by Anonymousreply 358April 26, 2018 9:44 PM

R328 people the thought sociopaths/psychopaths/rapists/serial killers, etc. could be reformed and put back into society.

You also have this happening in Canada today with Jasmine Richardson and Karla Homolka.

Also not all serial killers/psychopaths/sociopaths were sexually abused or physically abused, etc. Randy Kraft according to his siblings grew up with a stable family, with parents who loved him, and he turned out to be a pedo/hebephile and serial killer.

by Anonymousreply 359April 26, 2018 9:54 PM

R333 that does not sound like PTSD, but more like delusions, mania, or schizophrenia. Someone with PTSD will have flashbacks but they will not see or talk to people who are not there.

by Anonymousreply 360April 26, 2018 9:58 PM

That’s true r356, but he’s the only one despite others claiming they helped crack the case.

by Anonymousreply 361April 26, 2018 10:01 PM

When I was a teenager, I was sent to visit relatives in the Sacramento area during the summer. They didn't have air conditioning, and it was hot, but they wouldn't let me open the window because "there's been a problem around here". And when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to go trick-or-treating one year, because the Zodiac Killer had publically threatened to kill a trick-or-treating child!

So there, the "Golden Age of Serial Killers" has cost me two nights of minor personal inconvenience.

by Anonymousreply 362April 26, 2018 10:03 PM

[quote]R313 homosexualist


by Anonymousreply 363April 26, 2018 10:14 PM

R363 it’s a joke, dear.

by Anonymousreply 364April 26, 2018 10:16 PM

Lol r362 I assume you’ll show up at the trial and fling hard candy at him to represent that lost Halloween? It’s only right.

by Anonymousreply 365April 26, 2018 10:18 PM

R362 has EVERY RIGHT to address the court during sentencing. The world needs to know the FULL repercussions of this man’s EVIL!

by Anonymousreply 366April 26, 2018 10:22 PM

McNamara's book is actually kind of awful. Becayse she died before she finished it, everything reads as a later draft of something you read earlier. The text repeats itself constantly. ("He would take things, small things, which had no monetary value from his victims" appears in every freaking chapter and most chapters have forewords indicating, "This is a draft of a magazine article she never finished" or "this is a second draft of an earlier chapter". The book is not finished and what could have been chilling is, instead, repetitive and amateurish. The praise is baffling.

by Anonymousreply 367April 26, 2018 10:25 PM

Maybe the rest of us could show up chanting Justice for R362!

by Anonymousreply 368April 26, 2018 10:36 PM

CBS News just announced the the detectives did use a genealogy website's DNA database to compare the unsub's DNA to and that it was a "distant" relative using familial DNA. They got Deangelo's DNA from his trash.

by Anonymousreply 369April 26, 2018 10:45 PM

Check out entry number 497 (3-26-18) of thread Predictions for 2018. I nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 370April 26, 2018 10:55 PM

I can't wait to hear R362 's victim impact statement

by Anonymousreply 371April 26, 2018 10:55 PM

R360 doesn't know much about trauma and PTSD.

by Anonymousreply 372April 26, 2018 11:02 PM

Too bad there's no SNL this week. They could have done a cold open commercial for some DNA testing site with a family quietly discussing doing a test to see if their creepy uncle is a serial killer. "But the reward money is is up to $100,000, we could put the kids through college on that" "But what will the neighbors think" "Screw the neighbors, with the book and movie rights we could move out of this dump", "Daddy, where's Fluffy? Uncle Walter had him last", "Oh shit, Walt, where did you go, the kids want their puppy back"

DNA 'n Us, Pull the Pin and Find Out

by Anonymousreply 373April 26, 2018 11:18 PM

It's times like these that I really miss former prosecutor Nancy Grace.

by Anonymousreply 374April 26, 2018 11:33 PM

It's amazing how one ordinary man can hurt so many people.

I need to know right now what on earth made him do it, what shaped him to become what he is.

by Anonymousreply 375April 26, 2018 11:37 PM

Me too r372. Was he born or made? I need to know damn it.

by Anonymousreply 376April 26, 2018 11:42 PM

I believe that mystery will someday be solved r375. I won’t see it in my lifetime. But there’s something that connects all serial killer/rapists.

45 years from now, people will be stretching their heads on the mass shootings from 1999-20??, and how they happened and why.

by Anonymousreply 377April 26, 2018 11:46 PM

Think we’re going to see the emergence of a tech savvy serial killer in future years. Someone who works in public security or public safety. Someone who sees getting around our highly watched and monitored society as a challenge.

by Anonymousreply 378April 26, 2018 11:51 PM

There is a theory that as weed and other drugs became more popular, it unleash a psychotic breakdowns from people that were already at the edge of madness.

by Anonymousreply 379April 26, 2018 11:54 PM

^1965 - 1985??

by Anonymousreply 380April 27, 2018 12:06 AM

There have been many interesting points brought up in this thread. The thing I really want to know is... [italic]Why does putting pennies in water help horsies?[/italic]

I assume it's the copper but what does it do and how does it help them? Some butch Rancher (male or female) must be on DL/this thread and have the answer.

I have the Larry Crompton book but only got a short ways into it and put it down (and that was a couple of years ago). It was well written enough that it creeped the shit out of me. He was really terrifying in the things he did. I just got it out so maybe I'll start over and try again. I have read a ton of serial killer books too, I am not usually a namby pamby scardey cat. But, for some reason, this book was very frightening to me.

by Anonymousreply 381April 27, 2018 12:20 AM

“Unsub”? Bitch is not only ID’ed, he is caught.

by Anonymousreply 382April 27, 2018 12:21 AM

Just reading about this guy calling his victims. I can't believe we actually used to answer the phone without knowing who it was.

by Anonymousreply 383April 27, 2018 12:24 AM

Weed has been popular for decades r379, its the way it’s now grown that’s having a greater impact on people’s mental health. However those breakdowns aren’t necessarily going to trigger a person to be violent towards others. Things like meth are terrible for mental health, but are more inclined to cause random acts of violence rather than ignite a killing spree. However if it did, the persons thoughts would be so scattered they’d probably be caught fairly easily as they wouldn’t have the presence of mind to cover their tracks.

Serial killers generally aren’t suffering from drug induced psychosis, their murders are premeditated and planned. They’re a whole other kettle of fish.

by Anonymousreply 384April 27, 2018 12:45 AM

My only real complaint about Michelle McNamara is that she re-branded EAR/ONS with "Golden State Killer," which to me, was the most generic name possible.

by Anonymousreply 385April 27, 2018 1:07 AM

Apparently, the killer was shocked by his arrest. He was quite the cook, too. He had a chicken roasting in the oven while he was arrested.

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by Anonymousreply 386April 27, 2018 1:08 AM

At the time the detectives ran the genealogy databases last week, r382, he was still an unsub. This all happened unbelievably quickly.

by Anonymousreply 387April 27, 2018 1:11 AM

[quote]He was quite the cook, too.

Too bad he wasn't a Jeffrey Dahmer-type serial killer!

by Anonymousreply 388April 27, 2018 1:16 AM

Glad he got caught, but too bad he's so much older now. Some people will look at him and think he cuts a more sympathetic figure because of his age/he looks like anybody's grandpa. Just look at how some people view the Manson women now; they look like harmless, old grannies. I still think he will get a verdict of the lethal injection, but will never actually face capital punishment.

by Anonymousreply 389April 27, 2018 1:42 AM

I'm so happy that he is justly recently retired and was probably looking forward to all the free time he would be having.

by Anonymousreply 390April 27, 2018 2:34 AM

[quote]R371 I can't wait to hear [R362] 's victim impact statement

[italic]"I was scrawny, a stringbean...constantly teased! That lost Halloween candy could have filled me out at a time I needed it MOST. But instead, I was forced to stay skinny, and the torture and the bullying continued for years. I turned to alcohol for sugar..."

by Anonymousreply 391April 27, 2018 2:38 AM

Then this will work out quite well for him.

by Anonymousreply 392April 27, 2018 2:39 AM

[quote]R377 I believe that mystery will someday be solved [R375]...there’s something that connects all serial killer/rapists.

It's all part of the Lord Jebus' holy plan....

by Anonymousreply 393April 27, 2018 2:41 AM

[quote]R386 From article: "DeAngelo told police he had a roast in the oven, and officers said they could take care of it."

I hope he instructed them on how to baste it properly.

by Anonymousreply 394April 27, 2018 2:45 AM

Some believe that the reason for the decline in serial killers is a combo of removing lead from paint and legal abortion.

I was just telling my friends last year that they would find this animal using a famial DNA search from the ancestory websites!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 395April 27, 2018 2:52 AM

"No, the smart serial killers don't leave DNA, and move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, or make their killings look like accidents, or go overseas to countries where nobody cares what becomes of sex workers, or just make sure the bodies are never found. Who knows how many sickos there are out there, drowning young men or taking women off the highways of British Columbia. Probably not many, but one is too many."

Sorry, but the "smiley face killer" doesn't exist. And even "smart" killers get caught.

by Anonymousreply 396April 27, 2018 2:52 AM

So this guy was missing a finger and nobody took notice?

by Anonymousreply 397April 27, 2018 3:08 AM

A missing finger his whole life?

by Anonymousreply 398April 27, 2018 3:15 AM

He wore gloves and I’ll bet he also wore a prosthetic under them. If he lost it while serving, which is what is being reported, then the VA took care of it, 100% free of charge.

by Anonymousreply 399April 27, 2018 3:15 AM

How did him yelling about “Bonnie” never trigger any connections??? I must be missing something. Where is she today.. someone linked to her travel blog? This is all so bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 400April 27, 2018 3:17 AM

r400, what would connections would "Bonnie" trigger since millions of people probably know someone named Bonnie?

by Anonymousreply 401April 27, 2018 3:20 AM

My [italic]aunt[/italic] is named Bonnie ! !


by Anonymousreply 402April 27, 2018 3:30 AM

Plus, some people thought he was saying "Mommy", they had conflicting reports.

So he admitted to the Maggiores? I thought Ventura was Charlene and Lyman Smith? I want to know if he made the Ray call. And the girl he took out to the canal. And how he could kill 18 year old Janelle Cruz with a baby girl at home and one on the way. So many questions. It is frustrating he basically lived his life unscathed. I hope he feels like shit over the anguish he caused his family, though his daughters got to live.

by Anonymousreply 403April 27, 2018 3:31 AM

[quote] How did him yelling about “Bonnie” never trigger any connections???

They thought he was calling out Bonnie Franklin's name, and of course everyone would want to shout at her.

by Anonymousreply 404April 27, 2018 3:35 AM

The appeals process in death penalty cases is so long, that this sonofabitch will probably die of natural causes before the state can fry him.

by Anonymousreply 405April 27, 2018 3:36 AM

R216 Can you help me understand something? Did the son of the housing tract developer and ranch hand grow up to be the city planner in Irvine, CA? I remember reading about the city planner as being a suspect (or at least by online crime sleuths). Is this the Kirk Cameron lookalike? Where can I see the sketch that looks like Cameron?

by Anonymousreply 406April 27, 2018 3:40 AM

R401 But how many guys have been rejected by a Bonnie for having a micro penis and erection problems?

by Anonymousreply 407April 27, 2018 3:41 AM

It wasn't just the name Bonnie..

It was Bonnie + accurate artist renderings of his face + white German Shepherd Dog + his notebooks (they had HANDWRITING SAMPLES) + a million people saw him running down the street with no pants on (someone else had a chance to shoot him, but said he looked too babyish).

There were SO MANY CLUES.

So fucking frustrating.

by Anonymousreply 408April 27, 2018 3:43 AM

Shitloads r407, you don’t know the half of it.

by Anonymousreply 409April 27, 2018 3:44 AM

(+voice samples: they were playing his calls on the radio/tv)

This was one implausibly lucky bastard.

by Anonymousreply 410April 27, 2018 3:46 AM


The police would require a search warrant to see the DNA profiles from Ancestry.com and other ancestry websites. If that what the FBI/sheriff's dept had to resort to doing, it points out what pitiful shape our crime databases are in this country.

An abuse database could have saved the Hart kids a life of misery and horrific death.

by Anonymousreply 411April 27, 2018 3:46 AM

I hope Bonnie doesn't feel guilty for dumping him. If she had the brains to get away from a murderous psycho when she could then good for her, and if being dumped upset him, well, everything upsets assholes like that. This is a guy who spent the last thirty years yelling at his neighbors over tiny things, and doing God knows what to his wife and daughter.

Plop an angry, entitled, evil man like that down anywhere in the world, and wherever he is, he'll find something to get offended about within five minutes, and work up a towering rage within ten. Put him alone in the high Andes, and he'll decide the wild llamas aren't showing him enough respect and he'll start trying to find a fucking gun. You can't avoid upsetting people like that, or neglect your own interests in foolishly trying to appease them - they can't be appeased.

by Anonymousreply 412April 27, 2018 3:46 AM

R408 So the idea he was young was due to having a tiny penis not a babyface...

by Anonymousreply 413April 27, 2018 3:47 AM

On the different sleuthing boards a few years ago, they had guessed that he was related to (or was) a powerful politician or police person and that there had been a cover-up to make sure he hadn't gotten caught. The fact that the police department (a few were involved) had been able to make nothing out of almost too many clues--they even knew he was at that meeting--seemed so ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 414April 27, 2018 3:48 AM

R412 Poor Bonnie. But if it weren't her, he would have found another reason for his rage disorder.

by Anonymousreply 415April 27, 2018 3:49 AM

It was due to his having a babyface. Also, he was conjectured to be in his early 20s because of his athleticism: jumping from roofs, bicycling on escapes, outrunning and jumping fences.

by Anonymousreply 416April 27, 2018 3:50 AM

R410 It seems like the cops could have called DeAngelo's house (w/ an untraceable number) and recorded his voice. Then have an audio expert compare it w/ EA rapist's answering machine threats. Maybe they did that.

by Anonymousreply 417April 27, 2018 3:51 AM

[quote]R405 The appeals process in death penalty cases is so long, that this sonofabitch will probably die of natural causes before the state can fry him.

I wonder if he will he be able to hang out at home, like Bill Cosby has, throughout the trial, appeals, etc.

by Anonymousreply 418April 27, 2018 3:52 AM

R418, doubt he has the green for appeals.

Project Innocence will surely not be taking his case pro bono.

by Anonymousreply 419April 27, 2018 3:53 AM

R381 Copper in the troughs helps prevents algae according to the horse people. It can be toxic for sheep and other animals.

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by Anonymousreply 420April 27, 2018 3:54 AM

More about pennies in the trough. They have to be minted before 1982.

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by Anonymousreply 421April 27, 2018 3:56 AM

Which would be the best book to read on this case?

by Anonymousreply 422April 27, 2018 3:57 AM

"The appeals process in death penalty cases is so long, that this sonofabitch will probably die of natural causes before the state can fry him."

Funny that Republicans are so gung ho about the death penalty since a death from natural causes is usually more drawn out and painful.

"It was Bonnie + accurate artist renderings of his face + white German Shepherd Dog + his notebooks (they had HANDWRITING SAMPLES) + a million people saw him running down the street with no pants on (someone else had a chance to shoot him, but said he looked too babyish)."

None of the artist renderings were a dead ringer for him.....some of them looked somewhat like him, others looked nothing at all like him. Were the notebooks even proven to be from him? And it's not true that a "million" people saw him.

by Anonymousreply 423April 27, 2018 4:02 AM

R418 he doesn’t live behind a big gate in a mansion like Cosby. He doesn’t have staff that can do his errands while he watches TV far away from prying eyes. The media and members of the general public could literally wait outside his home day and night, just metres from his front door. He can’t ever go home again.

by Anonymousreply 424April 27, 2018 4:04 AM

[quote]R420 Copper in the troughs helps prevents algae according to the horse people. It can be toxic for sheep and other animals.

I think you're also told it helps to put a penny in a vase of water holding flowers.

Same principle...tho there are better additive choices to retain freshness.

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by Anonymousreply 425April 27, 2018 4:06 AM

If DeAngelo had PSTD, it could have come from serving in Vietnam. We had a white German shepherd in the 70s. Wonderful dogs. I hadn't heard about the killer having a one-toed white GSD.

So it sounds like he targeted his victims 2 ways that wouldn't raise suspicion - driving in a cop car and walking a dog. Who the hell commits a crime while walking a dog?

by Anonymousreply 426April 27, 2018 4:11 AM

R349 DeAngelo Sr may have married a Korean war bride and stayed there.

by Anonymousreply 427April 27, 2018 4:12 AM

R370 Please start a new prediction thread. Give us more predictions.

by Anonymousreply 428April 27, 2018 4:16 AM

R422 If I were you, I would watch the 7-part documentary series "Unmasking a Killer" and then read a book.

by Anonymousreply 429April 27, 2018 4:23 AM

Dear r328,

The 70s were dark times for America. They call them "the Cynical '70s" because the proud and perfect way Americans saw themselves during WWII and the '50s soon turned to horrific and devastating disasters that made everyone lose their faith in the country -- and even God.

The Vietnam war and civil rights struggle tore the country apart. American manufacturing jobs largely disappeared as the country switched to an uncertain Information Economy for the first time, with short-lived careers and ever-dwindling wages and benefits. The Arabs retaliated against the West with Oil embargoes, price hikes and endless gas lines that plunged the nation into recession and stagflation. LBJ's lies and failures regarding Vietnam were exposed and Richard Nixon became one of the most corrupt Presidents in U.S. history -- and the only one to resign in scandal. We essentially lost Vietnam. A regime friendly to the West lost the Iranian Revolution -- where the Americans at the U.S. embassy were held hostage. Not to mention the Golden Age of Arab terrorists hijacking planes and wreaking havoc for Israel and all Westerners.

All this meant that Americans began to lose faith in the country. For the first time ever, Baby Boomers got control of Hollywood and joined the media in exposing the failures of American institutions -- with depressing movies like Apocalypse Now, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, Nashville, The Godfather, The French Connection, The Last Picture Show, The Conversation, The Deer Hunter, Easy Rider. They were all questioning the American way because of the draft, the Vietnam War and the hippie counterculture movement.

And the hippies themselves started to realize their grand dreams of peace, love, happiness and equality were NOT going to happen. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Nixon secretly ratcheted up the Vietnam War and expanded it to Cambodia, despite his promises to the contrary. George McGovern lost the 1972 Presidential election. Creepy cults that grew out of the hippie movement committed horrible atrocities led by charismatic psychopaths like Charles Manson and Jim Jones, which resulted in the Jonestown Massacre.

Hippie musicians turned into Heavy Metal ones and started singing about how the forces of evil were WINNING, starting with Black Sabbath. And real life-Satanic or witch cults -- and the media panic exploiting them — created public hysteria in the U.S. and Britain. Tabloids and horror films exploited this -- with witch cult movies from Hammer Horror in Britain. And the horror genre got MUCH more violent and dark than the world had ever seen before: The Exorcist was a massive hit that caused hysteria, fainting spells and heart attacks among shocked, American audiences. Never-before-seen splatterfests like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre emerged.

All of this may have created a sense of freedom in serial killers -- and society didn't yet have the technology to catch them so easily with DNA testing, or a video camera in everyone's pocket, or e-mail and social networking or The Patriot Act and domestic spying that the government does now.

All of this created a "Strange Brew" that must have seemed like springtime for serial killers.

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by Anonymousreply 430April 27, 2018 4:32 AM

R429- thanks. It’s available On Demand, I know what I’m doing this weekend!

by Anonymousreply 431April 27, 2018 4:43 AM

When the Jews were allowed to put their hands on our culture, first everything went crazy, then it all died, and now it is under constant surveillance.

by Anonymousreply 432April 27, 2018 4:45 AM

r369 I thought the whole point of going on the ancestry website in the first place was that they didn't have a sample from him. All they had was the unsub DNA from the crime scene, and either a family member came forward with a story, or they just scraped the site for a match.

r411 why would they need a warrant for a search on an ancestry website? They are looking for the relative's DNA not his. It seems like a loophole. I've heard of it being done in other cases, but it was a prison database, not a company serving the public.

by Anonymousreply 433April 27, 2018 4:51 AM

What is all this talk about him having a "micro penis?" Running sans pants down the street? I'm not very familiar with this case so I guess I've missed some pertinent details.

by Anonymousreply 434April 27, 2018 5:10 AM

That might have been a detail that was held back by the cops at the time (?)

by Anonymousreply 435April 27, 2018 5:21 AM

I mean, can you imagine?

[italic]"Police urge anyone who has spotted a micropenis to inform authorities..."

by Anonymousreply 436April 27, 2018 5:22 AM

R434, a few of the rape victims who weren't killed (obviously) told the police that he was not well endowed.

And running down the street without pants--he was frightened away in the middle of one of his break ins, and took off without getting fully dressed. (He was also known to steal bicycles in the neighborhood and escape on them.)

by Anonymousreply 437April 27, 2018 5:30 AM

Thank you r437

by Anonymousreply 438April 27, 2018 5:41 AM

Coincidently I was just watching a short series on Discovery ID about the Golden State Killer. It's interesting to see how wrong their sleuth was. He had dismissed the idea that it was someone in law enforcement. He also addressed and then dismissed the ransacker as being connected. Something about different body types.

by Anonymousreply 439April 27, 2018 5:47 AM

How long before it's asserted that the tedious process of trawling through ancestry databases was Michelle McNamara's idea?

[quote]The effort was part of a painstaking process that began by using DNA from one of the crime scenes from years ago and comparing it to genetic profiles available online through various websites that cater to individuals wanting to know more about their family backgrounds by accepting DNA samples, said Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Grippi.

[quote]The investigation was conducted over a long period of time as officials in Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert's office and crime lab explored online family trees that appeared to match DNA samples from the East Area Rapist's crimes, Grippi said. They then followed clues to individuals in the family trees to determine whether they were potential suspects.

[quote]The process finally came to fruition last Thursday, when the investigation focused on the possibility that DeAngelo might be a suspect, a suspicion bolstered by the fact that he had lived in areas where the attacks occurred and was in the right age range, Grippi said.

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by Anonymousreply 440April 27, 2018 6:01 AM

They probably used geo-profiling in conjunction with the DNA databases. It has apparently become quite sophisticated. The various alphabet agencies in the US Government have used it for years but it's relatively new to law enforcement (although maybe not to the FBI, as they deal with terrorists).

by Anonymousreply 441April 27, 2018 6:11 AM

R289 I need advocates . I lost trust in LE.

by Anonymousreply 442April 27, 2018 6:44 AM

Are you male or female, R442 etc? Difference in where to advise you to seek advocacy.

by Anonymousreply 443April 27, 2018 7:01 AM

I'm telling you, there was something weird about growing up in the 70s and 80s in California. It was at once a dream and also a nightmare.

by Anonymousreply 444April 27, 2018 7:06 AM

I'd love to see a more updated geo-profile, R441. The last professional one I saw was by Kim Rossmo a few years ago and I recall it was a ring comprising of Cordova Meadows to the west, Cordova Gardens to the north, Zinfandel Dr. to the east, and I don't remember the southern boundary. I just remember that it was a tiny little area with a big hole in the center where the probability dropped.

He was living in Roseville, just north of the ring of highest probability, from the summer of '77 to '92, but I'd love to see what a more advanced algorithm would come up with. Or, as he's linked to other crimes — which I think is a certainty at this point; Cordova Cat, Donna Richmond, Jennifer Armour for a start — how much the profiles will change.

So many questions.

by Anonymousreply 445April 27, 2018 7:25 AM

R433, the courts have rules that cops can't just go rifling through people's DNA looking for a match. You have to have a warrant or permission.

The rumor I'm hearing is that a relative (niece, cousin, something like that) heard about GSK, remembered something about JJD from the past which made her suspicious, mentioned it to police, and gave permission to use her DNA which was already on an ancestry site.

by Anonymousreply 446April 27, 2018 7:25 AM

* ruled, not rules

by Anonymousreply 447April 27, 2018 7:26 AM

Weren't there also security guards murdered for interrupting a robbery, during the time CC/VR was active? He could be responsible for them, too.

by Anonymousreply 448April 27, 2018 7:28 AM

r446 I was looking at this from the perspective of the website. If ancestry.com, for example, allowed LEOs to access the data, that's not getting permission from the people with DNA info on their servers. It's like tech companies handing over their user data. Most companies have a part in their ToS about "reasonable (or legal) requests from LEO agencies".

What you've written does make sense, though and is probably how it happened. I'm just getting to cynical in my old age to think that they haven't pushed for every advantage, especially in the grey areas.

by Anonymousreply 449April 27, 2018 7:37 AM

[quote]The rumor I'm hearing is that a relative (niece, cousin, something like that) heard about GSK, remembered something about JJD from the past which made her suspicious, mentioned it to police, and gave permission to use her DNA which was already on an ancestry site.

Speaking of DNA, here's a stupid question. My sister just had her ancestral DNA (or whatever one calls it) tested by 23andme. The paternal background is not available (at least with the tests that company uses) in her sample, so I have to do it, as well, to give her the full spectrum of our makeup. Is this just a marketing scam, to get more people buy their service?

What is the difference between this ancestral info that's unavailable in a female's sample, and what they would find re: paternal identity DNA in a female's sample?

by Anonymousreply 450April 27, 2018 7:45 AM

Sending thanks to R420 & R421 for educating me. You are groovy!

by Anonymousreply 451April 27, 2018 7:53 AM

Not a scam, r450. Without you (or a father), she would be missing out on the Y-DNA haplogroups. Although women receive half of their DNA from the father, Y chromosomes aren't passed on.

by Anonymousreply 452April 27, 2018 7:58 AM

R452 But they could still establish a paternal identity from a female offspring's sample? How would they be identifying this Golden State Killer's identity from his daughter or a female relative's sample is there are these "Y-DNA haplogroups" missing?

by Anonymousreply 453April 27, 2018 8:03 AM

R453, they would be testing autosomal DNA. Autosomal DNA is inherited from both parents and — with the exception of identical twins — it's unique to each person. Apart from identical twins, the fact that no two people share the same autosomal DNA is what makes it so valuable in forensics and to determine paternity.

by Anonymousreply 454April 27, 2018 8:46 AM

R454 Interesting. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 455April 27, 2018 9:05 AM

R281, really? You know and dated a serial killer (or so you allege), yet you’re willing to let him continue killing, as long as he doesn’t kill you?

Are you sure you’re sober? I only ask, because as a sober woman, I’d never presume to be safe from a man I personally know, and believe to be a serial killer, because of NOT reporting him. How does your reasoning of this situation play out?

Think about it. If your suspicions are true, and he knows you know, or strongly suspects you know, he will kill you too. Your safety can only be assured by his incarceration, or death. Right?

I’m sorry, but you sound odd, at best. It sounds to me like you are either not sure regarding your allegations, or you’re working out abuse issues, by further demonizing an abusive asshole.

If you’re not any of these things, then contact the police of the FBI. I can almost guarantee you that if he is a serial killer, and he knows that you know, he will kill you. I know I’d kill you, and I’m not even a serial killer, however, I’m not stupid, and not killing you would be stupid.

Hope you stay sober, btw.

by Anonymousreply 456April 27, 2018 10:58 AM

[quote]as a sober woman


by Anonymousreply 457April 27, 2018 11:34 AM

Maybe he could have been the one in the grassy knoll?

by Anonymousreply 458April 27, 2018 12:29 PM

No, that was Ted Cruz's daddy. Woody Harrelson's daddy was the shooter in the sewer and Lady Bird was rifled up in the DalTex building. Poppy Bush coordinated.

by Anonymousreply 459April 27, 2018 12:38 PM

Let this be a lesson to us!!!! We could be solving cold cases if we wanted to. We have the smarts. Well. Some of us do.

by Anonymousreply 460April 27, 2018 12:47 PM

I think we who are obsessed with true crime are convincing ourselves that we couldn’t be victimized because of our research. It’s a psychological defense.

by Anonymousreply 461April 27, 2018 1:21 PM

R300, I agree. The woman is dead. She obviously had addiction issues, and needed help. Her interest in this case isn’t offensive to me, or anyone, unless she pinned it on some poor sap by name, ruining his reputation. And that would be terrible, however, not terribly surprising if coming from an addict who is looped out of their mind, with obvious mental disorganization issues and thinking, due to the addiction at hand.

She’s no worse than the web sleuth frauen who berate her.

The poor woman needed treatment and some empathy while alive. Why rake her over the coals now? The killer has been identified and caught. She would have been thrilled to learn about this. And if famous writers want to give her kudos for poorly writing about something like true crime, so fucking what? At least they’re being gracious, and as poorly written as her book is, at least she started it, and finished it. Good for her! That’s a great accomplishment, and I hope she derived some joy out of that before she passed.

Some of you need to learn about empathy and compassion. Try extending it. It REALLY counts when you extend it toward those you find unsympathetic, but actually are.

by Anonymousreply 462April 27, 2018 2:13 PM

R329, not sure, but some of those skin irregularities appear to be skin cancer in beginning stages or scabs from injuries that are healing or have healed.

by Anonymousreply 463April 27, 2018 2:30 PM

Going back to the comments about how no one realizes how many serial killers are out here, I have a movie recommendation: It's called Suspect Zero, starring Ben Kingsley, and Arron Eckhart and it's really good. You can probably stream it.

by Anonymousreply 464April 27, 2018 2:37 PM

[quote]At least they’re being gracious, and as poorly written as her book is, at least she started it, and finished it.

LOL. She didn’t finish it. She died when it was less than halfway done.

And most people aren’t railing against MM, but rather pointing out how Patton, the media, and know-nothings on twitter are turning MM into some kind of hero or super sleuth who “got done what the cops couldn’t!”

Which is bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 465April 27, 2018 2:50 PM

456 did it. He's in another state. Fears me as in tight knit community. He's in IT. Back to drinking but can't get buzz due to cymbalta. Got at least 30 iq and 100 eiq above him.

He always photographed back rounds while driving. Took me to his former trophy places and stalked out new ones. Thought Aspergers. Kept telling self that. He's from canarsie Brooklyn originally. Stalked Webcam Whores wirelessly. Some are missing.

by Anonymousreply 466April 27, 2018 3:25 PM

R462, more like furious she. Didn't nail him. She was a cold selfish addict. A fraud sitting home all day. Did you see what she look Ike in end? Fat sow.

by Anonymousreply 467April 27, 2018 3:31 PM

Other killer son of development owner in California. s info has been erased from wiki. Brynne? BRYN? HORSE RANCH. FIND DAD FIND SON.

by Anonymousreply 468April 27, 2018 3:43 PM

The Michelle McNamara hate is bizarre. Look at r467 for example.

All you interlopers get the fuck out of here.

by Anonymousreply 469April 27, 2018 3:47 PM

Most cops are not that good at foot pursuit...

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by Anonymousreply 470April 27, 2018 3:59 PM

Since it was before the internet, they could have put up a billboard asking:

Do you know someone named Bonnie?

Do you know of a white GS with a missing toe?

Case solved!

by Anonymousreply 471April 27, 2018 4:01 PM

R466, please go and get some help. I’ve been where you are as far as the booze is concerned, and it’s a very sad and lonely place.

Forget about your ex for now, and go and take care of yourself. Please.

I wish you rest, recovery, and safety.

by Anonymousreply 472April 27, 2018 4:30 PM

“The rumor I'm hearing is that a relative (niece, cousin, something like that) heard about GSK, remembered something about JJD from the past which made her suspicious, mentioned it to police, and gave permission to use her DNA which was already on an ancestry site.”

Thanks R446 this makes a lot of sense.

by Anonymousreply 473April 27, 2018 5:04 PM

Ah, I see that the "poorly written" loon has been infesting this thread. Jealous much?

Michelle McNamara wrote very well. Deal with it.

For ample proof of this, check out her True Crime Diary blog or the book excerpts that have been published.

Or maybe just be rational. Really, how likely it is it that the New York Times, NPR, Esquire, and the dozens of other outlets that have given McNamara such excellent reviews would be showering a shittily written book with such high praise?

by Anonymousreply 474April 27, 2018 5:09 PM

I think it was more like they searched the geneaology databases and found a familial match. So now they know his family, his sex, his age within 20 years or so and his geolocation in the 70s/80s. Based on the last three, they were able to rule out other family members and it became pretty obvious the suspect was DeAngeles, Then they got his DNA from his trash to confirm a complete match to the perp's DNA.

by Anonymousreply 475April 27, 2018 5:12 PM

I hate to rape and murder, but I love to tap!

by Anonymousreply 476April 27, 2018 5:14 PM

No, R473, that's not what happened. At the press conference the cops explicitly said that they weren't tipped off by family.

Read the article I'm linking to. The way law enforcement finally cracked the case was by using the open source website GEDmatch to find a family match for the killer's DNA.

Amazingly, it appears that DeAngelo was not on law enforcement's radar at all, or that of any of the small army of "citizen sleuths" who were investigating the Golden State Killer. DeAngelo was never a suspect until fairly recently, and that was only as a result of the DNA. The case would almost certainly never have been solved without it.

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by Anonymousreply 477April 27, 2018 5:15 PM

R477 is correct; there was no family tip. The investigators had been wanting to find a way to use the commercial DNA databank for some time. They must have gotten the green light from both the genealogy company used as well as a judge/the DA to do the search. There’s a lot of legal red tape about this kind of search versus privacy laws.

by Anonymousreply 478April 27, 2018 5:25 PM

[quote]I think it was more like they searched the geneaology databases and found a familial match.

They've already confirmed that that's what they did. The niece thing came about when Morf said something very early on to the effect that the match came from a family member who may have been as close as a niece.

If it was actually a niece, that doesn't mean that she directly gave her DNA to the police; only that she had submitted it to GEDmatch at some point.

by Anonymousreply 479April 27, 2018 5:25 PM

GEDmatch is open source and explicitly tells users that the DNA info they upload to the site will be shared and is not private. I'm pretty sure law enforcement didn't even need a special court order to use it.

by Anonymousreply 480April 27, 2018 5:28 PM

I meant to add at r475 that accurate familial DNA matching is fairly new technology that is only recently beginning to be used by local law enforcement because of the cost. It has been mainly used by the military to help identify remains. For the most part, LE has been previously unable to do this sort of matching.

by Anonymousreply 481April 27, 2018 5:34 PM

GEDmatch is where people go to upload their DNA profile for the sole purpose of it being found. If they had opted in to the match database on one of the major services, they would be limited to other users of the same service. With GEDmatch, anyone can match with anyone regardless of who did their testing.

by Anonymousreply 482April 27, 2018 5:35 PM

Any thoughts on Cliff Van Zant?

by Anonymousreply 483April 27, 2018 6:15 PM

Maybe he is the Zodiac, too?

by Anonymousreply 484April 27, 2018 6:23 PM

They have only traces of DNA material from the Zodiac and it's not sufficient for testing.

by Anonymousreply 485April 27, 2018 6:30 PM

So apparently the reason that some investigators didn't think this guy was a cop was because he had long hair?

So he was a cop with long hair? Wearing a wig?

by Anonymousreply 486April 27, 2018 6:40 PM

Infamous Sacramento town meeting. Can you spot DeAngelo in attendance?

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by Anonymousreply 487April 27, 2018 6:42 PM

It’s amazing how far law enforcement has come. When the man / woman in the audience were attacked, didn’t anyone put 2 and 2 together?

They were a bunch of bumbling fools with the murderer right in their midst.

by Anonymousreply 488April 27, 2018 6:48 PM

It sounds like he was a cop for only a short time. Perhaps 5 to 10 years. Not a career LEO, who’s been in for 20 to 40 years.

by Anonymousreply 489April 27, 2018 6:51 PM

Someone posted this on proboards but it quickly degenerated into a thread for left-handed posters to announce which wrist they prefer for their own watches.

The guy at the meeting looks like a DJT Jr. prototype.

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by Anonymousreply 490April 27, 2018 6:57 PM

The web sleuths who have been discussing this case for years thought it might be the guy in the fluffy down ski jacket in the third row. (The one with a light beard.)

by Anonymousreply 491April 27, 2018 7:03 PM

There was more than one meeting, and they were attended by hundreds of people. One interesting thing about the man who spoke out at the meeting and who was later attacked was the man was Italian immigrant. Knowing now that Deangelo is of Italian heritage, I wonder if that played into targeting the guy. I can’t fully remember, but the account of the victim was that he was very macho and loud about how he would never allow his family to be attacked.

by Anonymousreply 492April 27, 2018 7:20 PM

Ive also seen this guy put forward as a JJD pooisble match as a meeting attendee.

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by Anonymousreply 493April 27, 2018 7:24 PM

D'Angelo looks like he barely has any Italian blood. Maybe like 1/4 at most.

by Anonymousreply 494April 27, 2018 7:58 PM

So did he likely live in Irvine at some point?

by Anonymousreply 495April 27, 2018 8:08 PM

"D'Angelo looks like he barely has any Italian blood. Maybe like 1/4 at most. "

Some Italians have light coloring, those in the north of the country near Switzerland particularly. Maybe that's where some of his ancestors came from.

by Anonymousreply 496April 27, 2018 8:33 PM

De Angelo's arraignment. what a little faker, parked in that wheelchair like he's near death. The fucker was working up until 2 weeks ago.

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by Anonymousreply 497April 27, 2018 9:46 PM

No pity for him. No pity for him because of his age or whatever decrepit condition he supposedly finds himself in these days!

by Anonymousreply 498April 27, 2018 9:55 PM

Yeah, that's him at R490/R493.

Those eyes are dead.

by Anonymousreply 499April 27, 2018 10:07 PM


Here's the original screengrab from the film:

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by Anonymousreply 500April 27, 2018 11:05 PM

EAR/ONS looking pathetic and defeated in court, shackled to a wheelchair like the animal he is.

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by Anonymousreply 502April 28, 2018 12:20 AM

He still has a hard, mean face. I bet he thought he really was going to get away with murder!

by Anonymousreply 503April 28, 2018 12:23 AM

Those are some heavily muscled forearms for someone who's supposedly weak.

by Anonymousreply 504April 28, 2018 12:51 AM

R494 I’m Italian and he looks Italian to me. He just doesn’t look like the stereotype. Although I’m not sure he’s 100% Italian on his mother’s side.

by Anonymousreply 505April 28, 2018 12:58 AM

He looks fucking retarded.

The blank stare and slack jaw... he’s either very medicated or very stupid.

by Anonymousreply 506April 28, 2018 1:01 AM

Jump to 2:49 mark to hear his barely audible voice in court.

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by Anonymousreply 507April 28, 2018 1:08 AM

Why is his lawyer dressed like a hooker?

by Anonymousreply 508April 28, 2018 1:11 AM

He’s not stupid r506, he evaded capture for 40 years. He wasn’t even a suspect. That look is the utter hatred of everyone in that room and a person trying to suppress his natural instinct to express the raging internal fury that he lives with. He’s absolutely livid.

by Anonymousreply 509April 28, 2018 1:12 AM

He sure is acting feeble for a man who was busy cooking in his kitchen and tinkering away in his garage just a few days before.

by Anonymousreply 510April 28, 2018 1:19 AM

He seems like he's medicated.

by Anonymousreply 511April 28, 2018 1:52 AM

They will say he has Alzheimer's

by Anonymousreply 512April 28, 2018 1:58 AM

R487 R491

The man in the puffy snow jacket looks like the drawing on the left.

But the other photo match looks like it could be him as well.

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by Anonymousreply 513April 28, 2018 2:08 AM

Retired cop from Exeter worked with killer.

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by Anonymousreply 514April 28, 2018 2:09 AM

He's been refusing food and drink so that might be why appears to be in such a weakened state.

Paul Holes, the hot daddy investigator who's been surreptitiously observing him for the past few weeks, thinks the "old and weak" business is an act.

[quote]"No, no, no, no," Holes said. "This guy was moving around like a young 50-year-old. He was riding his motorcycle, bombing down the freeway at over 100 miles per hour. Stop signs are optional for this guy."

[quote]Earlier this week, neighbor Kevin Tapia said he talked to DeAngelo as recently as a week prior about a motorcycle mechanic. Neighbors said they saw him building a table before his arrest Tuesday.

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by Anonymousreply 515April 28, 2018 2:12 AM

GED wasn't contacted by LE. They don't do testing. You upload you upload your DNA results that you paid to have ancestry.com or another company do. It is all public. LR would have needed a warrant to get the results from ancestry.com or others like it.

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by Anonymousreply 516April 28, 2018 2:15 AM

The blind, feeble act didn't work for Bill Cosby.

by Anonymousreply 517April 28, 2018 2:16 AM

Here is a proboards page about EAR/ONS weird scent and whether he worked at a horse ranch.

Now, we know it may have just been the dog repellent he used.

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by Anonymousreply 518April 28, 2018 2:40 AM

Breakup With ‘Bonnie’ May Have Fueled Golden State Killer, Investigators Say

She may have been the key all along, retired Contra Costa County investigator Paul Holes said Thursday. Holes told The Mercury News he’s now convinced that DeAngelo’s breakup with Bonnie and his reportedly “toxic” marriage to another woman fueled his alleged desire to rape and kill.

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by Anonymousreply 519April 28, 2018 2:59 AM

I don't hate Michelle McNamara at all. "I'll Be Gone in the Dark" (great title) is the only thing of hers that I've read, and it wasn't very good. Of course, it was unfinished, and in some ways, Oswalt did her no favors by not hiring a professional writer to come and and go over the whole thing and finish it. Of course, that person would have had to have equal billing as the author, and share in the proceeds. But it could have been made to read professionally, and even as a good book. Now, it's kind of a hodgepodge yes of a book and dull.

by Anonymousreply 520April 28, 2018 3:05 AM

He's probably just fuming over the roast chicken.

by Anonymousreply 521April 28, 2018 3:21 AM

So as usual, r519, it's women's fault when men behave violently and inflict pain and suffering on others.

by Anonymousreply 522April 28, 2018 3:21 AM

Excellent post, R430.

by Anonymousreply 523April 28, 2018 3:34 AM

What was playing on EAR/ONS' iPod?

I think this song sums him up pretty well!

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by Anonymousreply 524April 28, 2018 3:36 AM

I call bullshit on Bonnie turning him into a rapist. Plenty of people go through break ups. Most never rape 50 women or murder 12 people. Most likely Bonnie split on him because he was already displaying violent sociopathic tendencies.

by Anonymousreply 525April 28, 2018 4:02 AM

Just so people can remember what he actually sounded like. Here are his phone calls, taunting victims and the police.

Warning: frightening stuff!

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by Anonymousreply 526April 28, 2018 4:03 AM

At R526, he sounds really childish, very "incel"

by Anonymousreply 527April 28, 2018 4:11 AM

R527,he had a very young voice (and apparently appearance) for approaching his mid-30s. In the existing photos of him as a cop, he doesn't look *that* young, but all of the composites of him as the Visalia Ransacker and EAR made him look like a college kid.

His voice sounded barely post-high school. Certainly not like one would imagine the voice of a cop.

by Anonymousreply 528April 28, 2018 4:15 AM

Cops used another DNA site and got the wrong guy.

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by Anonymousreply 529April 28, 2018 4:22 AM

r300 the Websleuths women are ridiculous fraus, but this woman was another level. And her husband hashtagging her and promoting her book on the backs of the LE dept who made the arrest is ridiculous. The 'poor woman' tag doesn't apply to her.

And yes, I'm a queen with a true crime interest but she added nothing to the case, and sorry the book was horrible. I couldn't even get through it, and I was interested in reading it.

There are well-run sites like casebook.org (Jack the Ripper) and one of the Zodiac sites I'm blanking on the address of. It's every millennial striver 'creative', middle aged frau and under-employed journalist who are turning to true crime podcasting to lift them up and change their lives who are circling around it now since Serial.

by Anonymousreply 530April 28, 2018 4:58 AM

There must be DNA still left from the Zodiac Killer. Maybe he will finally be caught or at least identified if he's dead.

by Anonymousreply 531April 28, 2018 5:02 AM

If there was DNA left over,R531, I think they would have at least tested it out on Bruce Davis, the Unabomber... and Mitt Romney (LOL) to either confirm or eliminate them as suspects.

by Anonymousreply 532April 28, 2018 5:04 AM

I think it is called zodiackillersite.com (quite literally).

by Anonymousreply 533April 28, 2018 5:05 AM

Rape victim's brother worked for killer's ex-wife.

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by Anonymousreply 534April 28, 2018 5:12 AM

The whole “girlfriend dumped him” as trigger for raping and killing is most likely untrue. They tried to say the same thing about Ted Bundy, but Bundy has already established a pattern of deviant behavior- voyeurism if not outright violence- long before “Stephanie” his girlfriend dumped him. That was a myth made up by Ann Rule. We don’t know much about Deangelo’s formative years but I’ll bet there will be plenty of signs that he was a psychopath well before he ever met Bonnie.

by Anonymousreply 535April 28, 2018 7:20 AM

r535 Bonnie dumping him was the catalyst, not the cause. He tipped over into acting out at that time, so it explained some of his behaviour during the attacks.

by Anonymousreply 536April 28, 2018 8:22 AM

I'm obviously young.

Because I don't why this person is named 'The Golden State killer'.

I went to Google and it couldn't tell what the 'golden state' is.

by Anonymousreply 537April 28, 2018 8:31 AM

The Golden State is California, r537. Probably because Florida confiscated "the sunshine state" first.

by Anonymousreply 538April 28, 2018 8:33 AM

Here's a list of all state nicknames. CA chose "the golden state" because of the Golden Gate, the golden poppies that grow wild every spring, and the golden sunshine for which its known.

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by Anonymousreply 539April 28, 2018 8:35 AM

To be fair, R537, I don't know why he ended up with this generic name anyhow. There was nothing wrong with EAR/ONS, and it's not like he was the only "Golden State" serial killer. Far from it, in fact, we have quite a long list of notable and iconic serial killers who have terrorized the state for many decades who could vie for that title. ...

by Anonymousreply 540April 28, 2018 8:36 AM

Maybe it should be changed to the Golden State Killers State.

I like EAR/ONS. It has the "WTF does [italic]that[/italic] mean??" factor that sends people straight to Google whereas the Golden State Killer is the most banal name ever.

by Anonymousreply 541April 28, 2018 8:50 AM

R502, he still looks scary as fuck. Old or not, he still looks strong enough like he could sneak up behind you and strangle you in a chokehold. Ugh.

And one of the articles floating around interviewed a neighbor that said he got into an altercation with him because he found him [italic] prowling around his yard [/italic] just a few years ago. What the hell was he doing prowling his neighbor's yards? And this wasn't that long ago.

by Anonymousreply 542April 28, 2018 9:32 AM

R538 and R539 Thank you.

I like it when DLers are informative instead of abusive.

by Anonymousreply 543April 28, 2018 9:40 AM

All an act?

[quote] DeAngelo was handcuffed to the wheelchair, looking frail and weak and barely able to speak above a whisper. A sharp contrast to the man who went on a terror rampage.

[quote] DeAngelo is on suicide watch in the psychiatric ward of the county jail and has been quietly talking to himself, said Sacramento County Sheriff Scott Jones. Authorities said more charges are likely to be filed later.

by Anonymousreply 544April 28, 2018 9:49 AM

Maybe still trying to get the odd cheap thrill r542. Look in the windows at the daughter or wife in the shower, maybe steal some stuff from the garage. Then the following day give a wave to the neighbour knowing he saw his neighbours daughter naked and that he has the guys expensive drill sitting in his own shed and when the neighbour goes to use it in a couple months and can’t find it, he’ll realise he was robbed at some point which will make him very uncomfortable. And most of all the thrill of knowing that if any of these people knew who he really was, they’d freak the fuck out.

by Anonymousreply 545April 28, 2018 9:55 AM

they should transport him around like Hannibal Lecter and treat him with as much precaution and care. he's already proven he's a good escape artist and he's good at hiding. i could see him trying for a Hannibal Lecter type escape.

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by Anonymousreply 546April 28, 2018 9:56 AM

I know some people she knew something but let’s presuming the ex wife really didn’t know, I wonder if there are were red flags she now realises, in hindsight, as being quite significant.

Maybe she thought all the sneaking around was him cheating on her. Maybe she remembers a time when he came home with scratches on his face but the explanation was flimsy. Maybe he once slipped and called her his ex girlfriends name, Bonnie . The kind of things that in hindsight suddenly are very significant indications that he was GSK, but at the time were just indicators that he was a shitty husband

by Anonymousreply 547April 28, 2018 10:27 AM

^^^^Sorry that should read: I know some people believe the she knew something, but let’s presume the ex wife really didn’t know

by Anonymousreply 548April 28, 2018 10:29 AM

After my first breakup, I raped no more than 30 people and kept the killing in the single digits!

by Anonymousreply 549April 28, 2018 10:35 AM

Well good for you r549. Did you call put your exes name and sob like a little bitch or did you have more self control than GSK?

by Anonymousreply 550April 28, 2018 10:52 AM

Couple things. I read this article Mc Namara wrote in I think 2013. Maybe a bit earlier. She was still searching and the article talked about the cold case website A&E had, and how she came to name him the Golden State Killer. She said with other serial killers the media or the Killer himself came up with a catchy name. The Zodiac Killer named himself, and then there was the Hillside Strangler. The Golden State Killer was much worse that Zodiac, and yet there was no sense of urgency and no real attention or focus on him and part of that was because the general public barely knew about him. She wanted to call attention to him because she felt it would help catch him.

She also bonded with a couple of police detectives, both eventually retired, who wanted to get him too. Apparently part of his MO was to break in to the houses of his victims before he ever assaulted them. He would actually hide the stuff he used like rope to bind their hands and feet, under cushions, he would get the lay out of the house, he would go through their things, and often steal something. He would call them anonymously, stalk them, watch them and them attack with no warning at night, shining his flashlight in their faces. He didn't care if there was a husband at home or not.

The guy was a scary monster.

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by Anonymousreply 551April 28, 2018 11:50 AM

In this case I would bet that Bonnie figured out DeAngelo was pretty messed up, indicating that he had problems well before he even met her. She broke off an engagement, and one has to assume some planning for the wedding and living together had already happened by the time she left him, meaning it's likely something serious occurred.

I still feel terribly for her because she's going to live out the rest of her life knowing what DeAngelo did while saying her name, and being the infamous Bonnie that true crime fans have been wondering about for decades.

by Anonymousreply 552April 28, 2018 12:19 PM

Reaction from his sister in this article:

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by Anonymousreply 553April 28, 2018 5:04 PM

R367 a lot of the praise comes from Patton and Michelle's PR machine, and reddit true crime kids who had never even heard of EAR/ONS until now, and the reddit true crime kids think she's some expert on EAR/ONS when she was just some celebrity's wife looking for fame and attention by rebranding him GSK.

by Anonymousreply 554April 28, 2018 5:18 PM

[quote]R539 Here's a list of all state nicknames. CA chose "the golden state" because of the Golden Gate, the golden poppies that grow wild every spring, and the golden sunshine for which its known.

I always assumed it was because the Gold Rush (which had much to shaping westward migration in U.S. history) was in California.

by Anonymousreply 555April 28, 2018 5:44 PM

geez, just how many serial killers were active in California in the 70s?

by Anonymousreply 556April 28, 2018 6:01 PM

Too many r556. It was a very strange and weird time in the 20th century.

by Anonymousreply 557April 28, 2018 6:09 PM

I swear to got if I have to hear ONE MORE THING ABOUT PATTON OSWALT'S LATE WIFE in relation to this case, I am going to scream. SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS SHIT GOING DOWN. NOTHING. May she rest in peace, but my god its beyond ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 558April 28, 2018 6:20 PM

So apparently he already admitted to being the Visalia Ransacker? Wonder why? Was he trying to claim he was the VR, but not the GSK?

by Anonymousreply 559April 28, 2018 6:23 PM

Golden Girl Killer

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by Anonymousreply 560April 28, 2018 6:41 PM

R559 if he has admitted to anything it hasn't been made public.

by Anonymousreply 561April 28, 2018 6:43 PM

Every time I read about his concerns over his roast chicken when he was being arrested, I recall how he raped a woman in her own home, and then went to her kitchen and fixed himself a plate of turkey and sides.

by Anonymousreply 562April 28, 2018 7:13 PM

R555 yes California is the Golden State because gold was discovered here shortly after the war with Mexico when the western states were forming. Nevada is the silver state, because they had more silver.

by Anonymousreply 563April 28, 2018 7:28 PM

Fuck Patton and his dead cow of a wife. They had jack shit to do with solving this case.

by Anonymousreply 564April 28, 2018 7:29 PM

R554 That sub has gone to shit.

by Anonymousreply 565April 28, 2018 7:30 PM

Good article r553. Looks like Ancestry is not happy with the idea that the cops may have used the service without obtaining a warrant.

Hopefully they actually used that service where the data is public, because if they broke the law to get evidence, DeAngelo could walk.

by Anonymousreply 566April 28, 2018 7:36 PM

OMG, Bonnie is a travel blogger!! Her site is called OldBroadAbroad.com! I kid you not! I'm sorry but i find this weirdly funny.

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by Anonymousreply 567April 28, 2018 7:40 PM

^sorry, wrong link. Here it is

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by Anonymousreply 568April 28, 2018 7:40 PM

Poor Bonnie! The DM has basically blamed her for all the rapes and murders.

by Anonymousreply 569April 28, 2018 8:03 PM

Thanks, R569. I take it one day at a time.

by Anonymousreply 570April 28, 2018 8:04 PM

Bonnie is married/divorced to a millionaire and was living in gorgeous Spello, Umbria. I don't feel sorry for her, honestly.

by Anonymousreply 571April 28, 2018 8:06 PM

The Daily Beast blamed her before the Daily Mail.

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by Anonymousreply 574April 28, 2018 8:19 PM

California was made a US state because it had so much gold, and I've heard it said that California's gold was what paid for the Union army during the Civil War. So what with the gold mining, golden poppies, Golden Gate, etc., "Golden State" is totally appropriate.

But I thought we'd agreed to call DeAngelo "The Babydick Killer". Because he hasn't suffered enough, he can't possibly suffer enough! We need to humiliate him as well as put him in prison.

by Anonymousreply 575April 28, 2018 8:32 PM


And it drove him to this rampage for a) revenge on her and other women; and b) to prove his masculinity.

Read the books about the case and the evidence is all there.

by Anonymousreply 576April 28, 2018 8:34 PM

Bonnie isn't at fault, and I hope she doesn't feel guilty for saving herself from a fucking psychopath with tinymeat.

If being dumped hadn't set him off, something else would have, because an angry psychopath is just looking for an excuse to go out and hurt others - doesn't need an excuse to rape and kill! If he hadn't been pissed off by his girlfriend saving herself from a lifetime of misery, he'd have been just as pissed off by someone who cut him off on the freeway, or someone who asked him to stand in line like everybody else at the grocery store, or his boss asking him to stop stealing shit and do his job right. OOOOH THE DISRESPECT!!!

by Anonymousreply 577April 28, 2018 8:38 PM

So she dumps the sadistic pervert with tiny dick and this is her fault? People are the fucking worst. If she’d stayed with him the same people would be screaming WTF is wrong with her, didn’t she know he was a psycho.

She probably moved on with her life and never gave him a second thought meanwhile he’s raping women and screaming out her name.

by Anonymousreply 578April 28, 2018 8:40 PM

Shallow bitch!! Bonnie needed a BIG COCK! So she dropped the Tinymeat Killer and turned him into a full blown loony tune Tinymeat Murderer!

Thanks ALOT Bonnie! Nice job, Bo-Bo!

by Anonymousreply 579April 28, 2018 9:06 PM

I'm surprised no one thought he was Asian.

by Anonymousreply 580April 28, 2018 10:33 PM

Asian with ice blue eyes, R580?

by Anonymousreply 581April 28, 2018 10:36 PM

Someone asked about Zodiac's DNA evidence. They have a very tiny amount but it's both too degraded in quality and insufficient in quantity to test.

by Anonymousreply 582April 28, 2018 10:36 PM

Thanks for both links, R567 R568 I wasn't able to open the link from Mail Online, so I googled the headline, "Mail Online" and was able to access it that way. The NY Times article provides an excellent synopsis, and the Mail Online article provides background and names the three daughters: Misha, now 36, Sascha, 31, and Tessa, 28. Misha was living with him at the time of his arrest. I live on the east coast and am roughly the same age as DeAngelo, so I might have read something about the crimes as they were going on. But I hadn't followed the case until I saw this thread. Now I'm glued to it. One of the best ever. Well worth my $1.50 a month.

by Anonymousreply 583April 28, 2018 10:38 PM

The daughters' names sound vaguely Russian-y.

by Anonymousreply 584April 28, 2018 10:42 PM

Daily Fail strikes again. Names are actually Magda, Zsa Zsa and Eva.

by Anonymousreply 585April 28, 2018 10:45 PM

48 Hours is running an updated episode about the case tonight a 9 on CBS. Unfortunately the commercial blatantly implied several times that McNamara helped solve the case.

by Anonymousreply 586April 28, 2018 10:51 PM

Thanks for the heads' up, R586

by Anonymousreply 587April 28, 2018 10:59 PM

[quote] I like EAR/ONS. It has the "WTF does that mean??" factor that sends people straight to Google...

I would be one of those people.

by Anonymousreply 588April 28, 2018 11:12 PM

R560 With all due respect for your armchair sleuthing, I feel Dorothy was the Golden Girl Killer. She had the height and physical strength necessary to subdue her victims, and as an educator, possessed the intellect and [italic] patience [/italic] to research both neighborhood geographics and murder methods.

She also had the dead eyes and lack of empathy so often seen in a serial killer.

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by Anonymousreply 589April 28, 2018 11:24 PM

[quote]R552 In this case I would bet that Bonnie figured out DeAngelo was pretty messed up, indicating that he had problems well before he even met her.

Or, she fled after seeing the micropenis.

(As so many of us would...)

by Anonymousreply 590April 28, 2018 11:29 PM

I don't think from what I've read that the perp had an actual micropenis. It had some length but was no wider around than a pencil.

Pencil dick.

by Anonymousreply 591April 28, 2018 11:37 PM

I don't think it was micropenis-small. "Tinymeat" seems a better choice of word. One victim though said it was bigger than her husband's. That woman was...yes...Asian.

by Anonymousreply 592April 28, 2018 11:47 PM

Impossible R589 Bea's cock was to big.

by Anonymousreply 593April 28, 2018 11:55 PM

I’m surprised the DNA evidence didn’t lead straight to Bonnie.

by Anonymousreply 594April 28, 2018 11:58 PM

[quote] geez, just how many serial killers were active in California in the 70s?

Let's see. You had the Manson clan still running around, possibly committing several yet unsolved murders. Zodiac was taunting police, and possibly suspected of some into the 70s. Hillside Stranglers, Cuomo and Bianchi; Doodler killer killing gay men in San Francisco; not just one but [bold] three [/bold] freeway killers targeting boys and young men (Randy Kraft, Patrick Kearney, William Bonin); EAR/ONS obviously; the Toolbox killers; Rodney Alcala; Juan Corona, also targeting gay men. If you extend into the 1980s, you have Charles Ng and Leonard Lake, and Night Stalker Richard Ramirez. Also, I am sure I am missing about 5 other killers, too.

And in between all of this, you had the weirdness of cults, the Patty Hearst/SLA kidnapping, Jim Jones and his cult. So yeah, California was pretty fucking weird then.

by Anonymousreply 595April 29, 2018 12:21 AM

Updated 48 Hours episode on CBS in 5 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 596April 29, 2018 12:54 AM

R595, you forgot the Santa Cruz loonies: Ed Kemper (the Co-Ed Killer), John Linley Frazier (the Killer Prophet), and Herbert Mullin (who killed more people than the other two but never earned a nickname. The outrage!).

by Anonymousreply 597April 29, 2018 1:00 AM

Also, in the late 70s/early 80s, there were the killer couples Gerald and Charlene Gallego and the Sunset Strip Killers (Doug Clark and Ted Bundy).

Charlene Gallego has walked free among us for over 20 years, in spite of helping to kill ten people.

by Anonymousreply 598April 29, 2018 1:05 AM

I created a Pt. II to the thread, linked below

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by Anonymousreply 599April 29, 2018 1:09 AM

Actually his dick was so tiny that one of the victims had an unbroken hymen despite being raped several times.

by Anonymousreply 600April 29, 2018 1:10 AM

This is surreal. I live in Sacramento and posted on the EAR/ONS thread we had a few years back. My parents moved to East Sac when I was 11 about 6 months before the rapes began. While we were a couple of miles from the target area, the use of the word "east" made made me think it was happening right our own neighborhood. It didn't help that helicopters were overhead every single, damn night.

I was out of town for work starting Monday and got back Friday morning and had no idea until someone on the return flight mentioned it. WHAT?!?! I didn't keep up with local media while I was gone, but flipped back and forth between CNN and MSNBC in my hotel at night. Nothing, not one single mention. Maybe I missed it. The blackout on national media made it all the more surreal. It too me three, four days to find out?

by Anonymousreply 601April 29, 2018 1:12 AM
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