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Golden State Killer/EARONS finally arrested and caught! PT. II

Continue the discussion here.

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by Anonymousreply 320September 4, 2020 6:19 AM

Pt. I linked below.

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by Anonymousreply 1April 29, 2018 1:10 AM

Police are confident DeAngelo is the Visalia Ransacker.

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by Anonymousreply 2April 29, 2018 1:15 AM

Did you guys forget about us?

by Anonymousreply 3April 29, 2018 1:25 AM

Is he an alkie? Here's what someone on the EARONS subreddit wrote:

[quote]]We know he was arrested for a DUI in 2012. We know he has a shed full of beer cans. A facebook user theorized the following:

[quote]"His demeanor & appearance in court was NOT AN ACT. Since I was a physician over 30 yrs I notice possible medical issues like the lesion on his posterior right scalp and spot on left eyebrow area along with his drugged appearance. Flat affect. I also noted his face is wide, note the very enlarged Parotid Glands. My experience is many times this can be associated with excessive alcohol intake. I am wondering if he is an alcoholic. If so, being in jail would be a risk for alcohol withdrawal symptoms. To prevent severe agitation from alcohol withdrawal he could be given anti-anxiety med like Valium or Ativan. This could explain his drugged appearance. We want this guy to talk, not have a Rum Fit that could cause major problems. Alcohol withdrawal can be severe, cause seizures. We don't need a 72 year old man to end up in the neurosurgical unit. We had a saying when I was a medical intern...." If something is going to go wrong in the hospital, it's going to go wrong with an alcoholic."

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by Anonymousreply 4April 29, 2018 1:25 AM

Also in CA, the Zebra killings in the SF area, multiple perpetrators 15 to possibly dozens of victims. The sweetheart killings just outside of Sacramento in Davis in '80. A serial rapist was finally convicted a few years ago. His brother was somehow also involved. I don't know if he killed between 80 and apprehension.

Like the EAR, Gerald and Charlene Gallego were active in Sacramento during my jr high and high school years. Gradually, houses in the neighborhood started putting up iron bars on the windows Really scary times.

by Anonymousreply 5April 29, 2018 1:26 AM

So he didn't plead? They asked for a continuance? It was hard to hear video of arraignment...

by Anonymousreply 6April 29, 2018 1:30 AM

There’s also the little-known Gypsy Hill Killer, Rodney Halbower. I get the creeps driving through the stretch of Skyline — always pitch black and/or foggy at night — where he abducted a girl walking to 7-Eleven after dark.

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by Anonymousreply 7April 29, 2018 1:36 AM

Don't forget the doodler.

by Anonymousreply 8April 29, 2018 1:36 AM

I'm fascinated by true crime. I read WAY too many books about it. If you want a really, really good book on investigating a serial killer I highly recommend Trace Evidence. It stays completely away from sensationalism yet remains riveting. I couldn't put it down. It really gets down into the nitty gritty of foot work and forensics. Plus it covers the did she know? part.

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by Anonymousreply 9April 29, 2018 1:43 AM

I also forgot Richard Chase, aka the Vampire of Sacramento, who drank his victims' bloods and cannibalized their remains. He struck around the same time as EAR/ONS. How lovely for poor Sacramento!

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by Anonymousreply 10April 29, 2018 1:44 AM

The world knows he has a baby dick.

by Anonymousreply 11April 29, 2018 1:45 AM

All due respect to the redditor physician, but do we really want this guy "to talk"? He's not a terrorist with inside information. He's a psycho who killed many years ago. We mostly want him under lock and key, whatever his condition.

by Anonymousreply 12April 29, 2018 1:56 AM

Also thank you to the OP for starting the second thread in an organized and timely manner.

It matters to us. Thanks, kiddo.

by Anonymousreply 13April 29, 2018 1:57 AM

[quote]All due respect to the redditor physician, but do we really want this guy "to talk"?

I think the hope is he’ll confess to crimes he committed that have yet to be linked to him and help get them solved.

by Anonymousreply 14April 29, 2018 2:02 AM

I wonder what he did to stifle his urges after he stopped in '86. Someone in the other thread said that it's the same year DNA was first used to obtain a rape conviction. DeAngelo's described as being highly disciplined and over-controlled, so maybe he was able to exercise restraint over his urges. But I kind of doubt it. How long after the rapes did he call and taunt his victims? It's been speculated that BTK tortured and killed animals. He was an animal control officer and people in the area complained about pets disappearing from fenced in yards. After his capture, LE found dog collars and tags in his home. Then he tried to toy with authorities through correspondence that ultimately led to his arrest.

by Anonymousreply 15April 29, 2018 2:08 AM

You have to wonder if it's a little bit of karma that all three of his kids ended up being daughters. Makes you wonder if that ever, for even a few seconds, made him have regrets or any shred of remorse for his own crimes against young girls and women.

by Anonymousreply 16April 29, 2018 2:10 AM

R16 You're not really familiar with how psychopaths/sociopaths work, do you?

Not saying they were as evil as he was, but think about how Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein both have FOUR daughters. They don't give a shit about other people's girls.

by Anonymousreply 17April 29, 2018 2:14 AM

Don’t forget the Solvang serial killer Thor Christiansen !

Another case “solved” not by the cops (who actually interviewed Christiansen as a suspect) but the public.

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by Anonymousreply 18April 29, 2018 2:20 AM

Corrected link/ Solvang killer

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by Anonymousreply 19April 29, 2018 2:22 AM

^ Huh? That case was NOT "solved by the public"

by Anonymousreply 20April 29, 2018 2:47 AM

And the Candlelight Killer

by Anonymousreply 21April 29, 2018 2:47 AM

Proud of California for being the most twisted serial killer state. No other state comes close.

by Anonymousreply 22April 29, 2018 2:48 AM

r22, that's because California has the largest population.

by Anonymousreply 23April 29, 2018 2:55 AM

To be fair R22, a good amount of California's serial killers hail from elsewhere. Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez, and Randy Kraft are from out of state. I am sure a fair amount of others, too.

by Anonymousreply 24April 29, 2018 2:55 AM

R4, depending on the jail he’s in, he may or may not be getting Valium for DTs.

Most jails don’t give a fuck, but this one might.

by Anonymousreply 25April 29, 2018 3:19 AM

Where in the world are his eye brows?

by Anonymousreply 26April 29, 2018 3:47 AM

It's crazy and discouraging to think that without the DNA site, this case never would have been solved. This guy was on no one's radar. Decades of police investigations and journalism and cybersleuthing by the Jessica Fletchers on Proboards didn't even get close.

by Anonymousreply 27April 29, 2018 5:09 AM

Makes you wonder if Zodiac was a cop, too?

by Anonymousreply 28April 29, 2018 5:23 AM

[quote]depending on the jail he’s in, he may or may not be getting Valium for DTs.

DTs can be fatal and often are. It's probably more complicated in someone of his age. If the DA wants him to talk or be cooperative in any way, they need to keep him alive so, of course, they'll medicate him. Who knows what other shenanigans he may have been up to after '86 when he stopped his EAS/ONS activities? I wondered upthread what he did to stifle or displace the urges that undoubtedly did not go away. Did he adopt a new MO and keep up his criminal behavior on vacations or sojourns out of state? There are probably dozens, if not hundreds of inquiries from other jurisdictions pouring into Sacramento to see if this guy might have been their perpetrator. This guy could easily have been responsible for several rapes on a weekend in Vegas if he cleaned up his act post-DNA

by Anonymousreply 29April 29, 2018 5:33 AM

Did Zodiac and this guy operate in the same time frame?

by Anonymousreply 30April 29, 2018 5:39 AM

Not that we know of. Zodiac had long finished the criems the police think he committed by the time the EAR/ONS was operating.

by Anonymousreply 31April 29, 2018 5:42 AM

After DNA testing came in and he stopped killing and raping in his home territory... I wonder if satisfied his dark urges by going to countries where sex tourism is big?

Or if he kept it all in the family?

Probably both.

by Anonymousreply 32April 29, 2018 5:49 AM

Florida probably doesn't count the bodies unless the press call them on it.

by Anonymousreply 33April 29, 2018 5:52 AM

Thanks, R31

by Anonymousreply 34April 29, 2018 5:53 AM

R4, if that was his demeanor while heavily medicated, I am very curious to see how he behaves once he's back to 'normal.'

by Anonymousreply 35April 29, 2018 6:23 AM

Beating people to death with a chunk of firewood. Where does that kind of rage come from?

by Anonymousreply 36April 29, 2018 6:36 AM

Seeing a man with a large penis having actual, satisfying, unforced sex with a woman, R36?

by Anonymousreply 37April 29, 2018 6:45 AM

Porn is to blame? It may have been all of his shipmates aboard the USS Canberra who took showers with him and he saw he was not just one or two standard deviations below the mean. Now, of course, I have to wonder if the SPD is asking the Navy if there were violent assaults or murders when he was on liberty in various Asian ports. This would be touchy as the USN would have to admit they harbored a rapist and transported him among various Asian ports of call. Someone suggested that he may have gotten his rocks off on illicit Thai tours or something similar. He would have known from his experience there.

by Anonymousreply 38April 29, 2018 6:54 AM

r38, somehow, even despite your feverish and vivid fantasies, I seriously doubt any psychologist ever has seen a case where someone has ever become a prolific serial rapist, torturer, and murderer just because his penis size was too small.

by Anonymousreply 39April 29, 2018 7:00 AM

Do you have a better explanation than a man feeling inadequate among his peers, R39? Or, better yet, any empirical evidence that he did not have freakishly small genatalia (despite numerous victim descriptions) and had other motives? And your speculation about these motives that do not arise about his own feelings of inadequacy? If you have better or more salient expertise, now is your chance to chime in and possibly help to solve a crime. Could you possibly put up or shut up?

Feverish? Vivid? Your overly-facile, loaded projections suggest you have issues, sir, not just the EAR.

by Anonymousreply 40April 29, 2018 7:14 AM

If his tiny dick was the source of his shame and rage, then by committing rapes and getting caught he's let the entire world know that he's hung like a gnat!

Which is slightly karmic, but that's really pretty inadequate for a karmic takedown.

by Anonymousreply 41April 29, 2018 7:28 AM

He never imagined the DNA would catch up to him, despite all of his CJ and LE expertise. He stopped in '86 after all. Stupid relative had to post a DNA profile on an open source website...

by Anonymousreply 42April 29, 2018 7:32 AM

His MO was to stalk his victims for weeks, and become familiar with their homes. He wasn’t a sk who sought out sex workers or women who were out drinking in bars or clubs. He wasn’t one to socialize, keeping his interactions with the general public limited to his exposure at work. I doubt he went abroad to rape and kill others.

I believe he eventually targeted couples because he was always targeting something that he felt was elusive to him: a wife, a family, a marital home. Once he became more rooted in his own family life, the less he desired to punish those who had it. He was also aware that the heat was on, and he’d eventually fuck up, and get caught, and surely became aware of DNA preservation for future testing.

What is astounding to us is that this guy may have had the self control to stop, and we somehow erroneously believe that sk don’t. But they do.

Dennis Rader stopped for many years, and had he not made the mistake of sending a newspaper a CD, he might have gotten away with his crimes as well.

Some of these guys can stop, and they do.

by Anonymousreply 43April 29, 2018 10:10 AM

I agree r39. Most serial killers have a long history of enjoying sadistic and cruel behaviour that links back to childhood. Sometimes you’ll hear they had a thing for killing birds or local cats. They lacked empathy and concern for others even as children, so if some kid from school died they found the distress of the other kids around them baffling. So I doubt this whole thing was linked to having a small dick, since it probably wasn’t something he gave much thought to when he was 8. It may have contributed to his rage once he got older, but it’s unlikely to have been the be all and end all of his desire to rape and kill.

I think the breaking into houses while the husband was home was the thrill of the risk and the feeling of power. Rape is mostly about exerting power over another person, so there’s no greater show of power than making a woman’s husband powerless while he rapes her and the husband can’t do a thing about it.

And I have no doubt he liked the risk. Breaking in first, getting the layout of the house, hiding rope and the stuff he’d need to carry out the act, stealing trinkets. All of this increased his risk of being found out, of being seen and of being caught. It’s why he turned up to community meetings and then attacked people who turned up to the meeting. He liked taunting the cops and the danger of it.

And even up until recently he was prowling around a neighbours garage, speeding through intersections, drunk driving. This guy liked walking the line, liked flouting societies rules to see what would happen. Most of the time nothing happened to him.

by Anonymousreply 44April 29, 2018 10:31 AM

You have to admit that he bears an uncanny resemblance to Harvey Weinstein.

by Anonymousreply 45April 29, 2018 10:54 AM

I don’t see it r45, other than the ruddy complexion.

by Anonymousreply 46April 29, 2018 11:11 AM

R12 Hell, yes, we want him to talk! There are many unsolved murders in CA.

by Anonymousreply 47April 29, 2018 11:29 AM

Scroll down to see more police sketches

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by Anonymousreply 48April 29, 2018 11:33 AM

Original Night Stalker sketches

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by Anonymousreply 49April 29, 2018 11:35 AM

Scroll down to see the cropped photo of when deAngelo was an Auburn cop. This is the only time that he looks like the Owen Wilson, blonde shaggy-haired police sketch (usually on the right side of the trio of drawings). He definitely looks like the sketch w/ the mustache.

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by Anonymousreply 50April 29, 2018 11:37 AM

Someone combined all of the police sketches...

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by Anonymousreply 51April 29, 2018 11:38 AM

Now that he was just retired, who's to say he wouldn't have finally had some more free time to continue with his 'activities?'

by Anonymousreply 52April 29, 2018 1:31 PM

In his police photo, he looks like that guy from Ray Donovan.

by Anonymousreply 53April 29, 2018 2:06 PM

Speaking of Ray, who was the "Ray" that he crank called one of the victims about?

by Anonymousreply 54April 29, 2018 2:16 PM

The Creepy Genetics Behind the Golden State Killer Case

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by Anonymousreply 55April 29, 2018 2:18 PM

[quote]All due respect to the redditor physician, but do we really want this guy "to talk"? He's not a terrorist with inside information. He's a psycho who killed many years ago. We mostly want him under lock and key, whatever his condition.

Yes, we do not have to hear him speak like he is a great man. Talk about murder worship.

by Anonymousreply 56April 29, 2018 2:22 PM

^Who is this "we?" I'm sure the family members of his victims have lots of questions they want answered..

by Anonymousreply 57April 29, 2018 2:25 PM

Or they do not want to see or hear him and would not like him to be a media star

by Anonymousreply 58April 29, 2018 2:33 PM

[quote] Or they do not want to see or hear him

Unlikely. In the video posted at OP, you can see at the top right corner, the brothers of some of his victims already at his arraignment. So at least some of the family members do want to see and hear everything that goes on with this trial.

by Anonymousreply 59April 29, 2018 2:39 PM

Top left corner, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 60April 29, 2018 2:40 PM

This may have been answered, but I haven’t seen it. Why was he called the “original night stalker?” I thought the “ night stalker” was before his time?

by Anonymousreply 61April 29, 2018 2:49 PM

He started earlier than Richard Ramirez. They also didn't realize the murders were connected until relatively recently.

by Anonymousreply 62April 29, 2018 2:52 PM

Night Stalker most commonly refers to Richard Ramirez who killed in 1984-85.

With the exception of Janelle Cruz, this guy committed all of his rapes and murders before him.

by Anonymousreply 63April 29, 2018 2:52 PM

"Seeing a man with a large penis having actual, satisfying, unforced sex with a woman, R36?"

Gotta love the datalounge - making EVERYTHING about penis size. Like the silly morons on the other thread claiming "Bonnie" left him because of his penis size (presumably she had seen his penis BEFORE they got engaged - this was the 1970s, not the 1870s and still got engaged to him anyway). And who the hell ever said the men he killed had big dicks, either?

by Anonymousreply 64April 29, 2018 3:49 PM

R64 most of the men he killed probably did have bigger dicks. His was unusually small. I agree that it is unlikely the cause of his psychopathy. From what I recall he started by raping women who lived alone or were home alone. The police warned women about this. Then he started attacking couples. I think it was more of a fuck you to the cops and a challenge, not a specific hatred of men. He would have started with married couples or single men if it was about that. He would had started with raping men or cutting their genitals if it was about his needle dick. He's a sadist, he gets off on hurting people, he kept finding more creative ways of hurting people.

by Anonymousreply 65April 29, 2018 4:03 PM

Harking back to the first thread: if Bonnie broke up with him because she started to think he was violent and creepy, why didn't she (or any of the girlfriends she no doubt confided her reasoning to) report this when her name came up during a rape in the area he lived in? I mean sure, there could be two or more violent nutters in Sacramento who had reason to cry over girls called Bonnie, but surely you'd think it could be at least a line of inquiry?

As for why there was so much misogynistic crime in the 70s, many of the reasons have already been covered in Thread 1, but surely a big one is that it was the era of women's liberation. All the nice little 50s and early 60s wifeys were disappearing and being replaced by bra-burning loud people who wanted your job and were aggressive in bed. Unsettling for most straight men, but even moreso for those whose psychology wanted women controlled and subjugated out of existence.

by Anonymousreply 66April 29, 2018 4:04 PM

"if Bonnie broke up with him because she started to think he was violent and creepy, why didn't she (or any of the girlfriends she no doubt confided her reasoning to) report this when her name came up during a rape in the area he lived in?"

She MIGHT have sensed that he was a creep......but being a creep doesn't necessarily make you a serial killer.

by Anonymousreply 67April 29, 2018 4:09 PM

I thought I read somewhere that she married a wealthy man after breaking up with EAR/ONS, and moved out of California and/or the US.

by Anonymousreply 68April 29, 2018 4:35 PM

Creepy that he and Toronto gay serial killer are still alive. Wonder if they'll try to escape?

by Anonymousreply 69April 29, 2018 4:38 PM

Bonnie married an accountant who became wealthy. They moved to Italy and she had a blog. They divorced and she returned to CA.

by Anonymousreply 70April 29, 2018 4:43 PM

Was it reported in the press at the time that he talked about Bonnie during the attacks? I think Bonnie probably thought he was just your garden variety abuser. She was probably happy to be free of him. If she had an idea of how dangerous he was she might have been afraid of him. He could have threatened to kill her. If she had moved out of the area she wouldn't have known the EAR even existed. There was no internet then and serial crimes usually only got reported in national press when the criminal was a taunter or when he got caught. Serial rapes were less likely to gain national press than murders. Crimes committed in provincial cities were less likely to get reported than murders in media centers like NY or LA.

by Anonymousreply 71April 29, 2018 4:45 PM

Bonnie was a size queen.

by Anonymousreply 72April 29, 2018 4:56 PM

^ Yes, that's why she got engaged to him in the first place *rolls eyes*

by Anonymousreply 73April 29, 2018 5:25 PM

I'm not convinced he stopped raping and killing. I believe he may have left the state or even the country for a time. But he never entirely stopped. I just don't see it. At least 45 rapes and 12 murders? That's a lot. There a re probably more. I also would like for him to talk. Whether he is interested in telling the truth or he lies, it will still give insight into how his mind works. He may even inadvertently tell on himself. I'm never in favor of suppressing. I want it all to come out.

by Anonymousreply 74April 29, 2018 5:41 PM

He is one of the many freaks who stole childhoods away in N. Cal and SoCal. It's unreal that the fuck got caught

by Anonymousreply 75April 29, 2018 5:52 PM

What's fascinating about this is the cops found a DNA relative on 23andme. And even worse, the guy is a retired police officer. That's why it took them so long to find him.

by Anonymousreply 76April 29, 2018 5:53 PM

Fuck me daddy!

by Anonymousreply 77April 29, 2018 6:07 PM

If I remember correctly from the old thread, didn’t he write a letter or something in the 6th grade? And if so, why didn’t LE talk to the local 6th grade teachers who may have recognized the content or writing? Am I remembering correctly or completely off base?

by Anonymousreply 78April 29, 2018 6:08 PM

Poor Bonnie Ueltzen. Don't you feel so fucking sorry for people who are just living their lives peacefully, when all of a sudden, through no fault of their own they have the whole world's attention on them? She's apparently gone into hiding ATM.

by Anonymousreply 79April 29, 2018 6:20 PM

what does EARONS stand for?

by Anonymousreply 80April 29, 2018 6:23 PM

East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker

by Anonymousreply 81April 29, 2018 6:25 PM

For all we know Bonnie DID tell the police that he was a creepy abusive guy who'd broken up with a Bonnie. If so, nothing was done, or nothing was done to a fellow cop.

by Anonymousreply 82April 29, 2018 6:35 PM

Maybe he stopped committing stranger rapes because he had three little girls at home, helpless children who couldn't defend themselves. Eeeeewww......

by Anonymousreply 83April 29, 2018 6:36 PM

I wonder if the victims we become aware of are the ones they WANT us to see? That there may be hundreds, thousands of victims they hold dear to their hearts- never to be uncovered?

Why would the just stop at a couple dozen?

by Anonymousreply 84April 29, 2018 6:43 PM

"EARSONS" sounds so grotesque. It sounds like a murder-rapist potato head man. I got the ears on!

by Anonymousreply 85April 29, 2018 6:46 PM

Yeah, "Babydick Killer" is SO much catchier!

by Anonymousreply 86April 29, 2018 7:00 PM

Your Relative’s DNA Could Turn You Into a Suspect

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by Anonymousreply 87April 29, 2018 7:41 PM

[quote]What's fascinating about this is the cops found a DNA relative on 23andme. And even worse, the guy is a retired police officer.

No, it was not 23andme. It was GED, an open source database where people uploaded their profiles hoping to look for a genetic match, usually looking for a biological parent. There would be no need for a search warrant as would be the case w/23andme and other geneological websites like Ancestry.com.

And, no, they guy is not a retired police officer. He was FIRED from the Auburn police force (as noted numerous times across both threads) after attempting to shoplift dog repellent spray and a hammer from an area business.

Please do keep up, OK?

by Anonymousreply 88April 29, 2018 7:43 PM

[quote] "EARSONS" sounds so grotesque. It sounds like a murder-rapist potato head man. I got the ears on!

It's not "EARSONS"; it's "EARONS."

In fact, technically, it's "EAR/ONS."

by Anonymousreply 89April 29, 2018 7:49 PM

Maybe now the "experts" will stop saying that serial killers don't stop of their own volition.

by Anonymousreply 90April 29, 2018 8:07 PM

Well, I got the ear on the killer rapist potato head man!

by Anonymousreply 91April 29, 2018 8:10 PM

EAR ON MOUSE

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by Anonymousreply 92April 29, 2018 8:12 PM

it's VREARONS now

by Anonymousreply 93April 29, 2018 8:36 PM

so, Sacramento is/was a hotbed of deranged serial killers and the only famous movie set in that city is Lady-fucking-Bird?? That's just sad.

by Anonymousreply 94April 29, 2018 8:43 PM

Thousands of unsolved murders and rapes all around the country would instantly be solved if cops (current and former) were required to enter their DNA into a database. Countless numbers of the wrongfully convicted would also go free. Jack the Ripper and the Zodiac were probably cops too. The Long Island serial killer is also very likely to be a current or former cop.

by Anonymousreply 95April 29, 2018 8:44 PM

I think there were more assault victims- they either didn’t report it, were dissuaded from reporting it by cops or family, or they took place outside the known area.

by Anonymousreply 96April 29, 2018 8:49 PM

Is it true Bonnie has gone into hiding? What is wrong with people. How is this her fault? She had a boyfriend, it wasn’t working out, she broke up with him. But now 40 years later people are blaming her because he turned out to be a raging psychopath. It’s not her fault he couldn’t let it go. He’s the loser who couldn’t get over it, he’s the rapist and murderer.

by Anonymousreply 97April 29, 2018 8:56 PM

People always claim that the wives/partners, children, parents/other family members, and neighbors had to have known. They fail to understand that pyschopaths are major con artists and/or master manipulators; they con everyone in their lives, including their wives/partners and children.

by Anonymousreply 98April 29, 2018 9:12 PM

Why pick on her? That is so dumb! Doesn't the guy have an ex-wife too / At least one? Some woman married that fucker and had three kids!

by Anonymousreply 99April 29, 2018 10:09 PM

R78, it was a notebook that they believed to have been his. (This is where the handwriting sample came from.)

You can see one page below.

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by Anonymousreply 100April 29, 2018 10:20 PM

Technically speaking, he's the VREARONSDKKGSK:

The Vidalia Ransacker/East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker/Diamond Knot Killer/Golden State Killer.

by Anonymousreply 101April 29, 2018 10:28 PM

Don’t worry R99 the ex wife is being harassed as well. Apparently the marriage broke up in the early 90s, but somehow over 20 years later this also her fault. Basically it’s everybody else’s fault but his, according to online loons.

by Anonymousreply 102April 29, 2018 10:29 PM

Fuck you for posting her full name, r79, then pretending to be sad that she's gone into hiding. And after a bunch of people asking why she hadn't deduced he was a serial killer and turned him in like she should have.

These threads always degenerate into crap like this.

by Anonymousreply 103April 29, 2018 10:41 PM

Poor Bonnie. I know how it feels. How was I to know?

by Anonymousreply 104April 29, 2018 11:10 PM

This is all my fault! I should have married him, and then we both would have had a beautifully happy life and he would have killed no one at all!

Oh how right the crazies of the Internet are to blame me! What was I thinking?

by Anonymousreply 105April 29, 2018 11:26 PM

[quote] Fuck you for posting her full name, [R79], then pretending to be sad that she's gone into hiding.

It's all over the Internet, brainiac. It's featured in the NY Post, the Daily Mail, radaronline....

by Anonymousreply 106April 29, 2018 11:27 PM

The poor woman is old and now she’s being hounded. I’m sure DeAngelo would be fucking thrilled. So sweet that the dim witted go out of their way to make a serial rapist and killer happy. Perhaps they can turn up to prison to cheer him since he’s having a rough week.

by Anonymousreply 107April 29, 2018 11:29 PM

I heard that the EAR/ONS killer posted on the Datalounge fried chicken thread.

by Anonymousreply 108April 29, 2018 11:30 PM

Who’s to say people are picking on Bonnie? Maybe it’s just journalists harassing her for comments.

by Anonymousreply 109April 30, 2018 12:20 AM

This is 2018. Tell "Bonnie" to hire a lawyer who can act as her agent. He tellls the media they have to go through him, and if they want an interview they have to pay for it. That will stop all the harassment.

by Anonymousreply 110April 30, 2018 12:25 AM

R79 She's hiding inside an ATM machine?

by Anonymousreply 111April 30, 2018 12:26 AM

Except one of the rags has mentioned the name of her apartment building. So the nutters can just wait for her there r110.

by Anonymousreply 112April 30, 2018 12:31 AM

"I believe he may have left the state or even the country for a time."

His neighbors say he has lived in the same neighborhood for 30 years

"If I remember correctly from the old thread, didn’t he write a letter or something in the 6th grade? And if so, why didn’t LE talk to the local 6th grade teachers who may have recognized the content or writing?"

That may have been a red herring

by Anonymousreply 113April 30, 2018 12:57 AM

Bonnie is into ass to mouth?

by Anonymousreply 114April 30, 2018 1:04 AM

The kids homework they found reminds me of that scene from the Big Lebowski. I don't think the homework belonged to EAR/ONS, some kid probably just dropped it on his way home and it happened to be near where EAR?ONS was running away.

by Anonymousreply 115April 30, 2018 1:23 AM

It doesn't really look like a kid's handwriting, though.

by Anonymousreply 116April 30, 2018 1:25 AM

It is very much like a psycho to be complaining about some minor thing in elementary school, decades later as an adult.

by Anonymousreply 117April 30, 2018 1:27 AM

He’ll be dead within a year or less. The fucker is into control. He’ll kill himself as soon as he gets a chance.

by Anonymousreply 118April 30, 2018 1:46 AM

Probably without answering a single question r118.

by Anonymousreply 119April 30, 2018 2:39 AM

Well, the notebook page was found with an unidentified handwritten map--torn out of the same notebook, near the scene of a crime where a "suspicious" car had been parked (presumably his). The websleuths were able to figure out about a year ago which neighborhood the map was a drawing of.

Look below--

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by Anonymousreply 120April 30, 2018 3:00 AM

By the way, for the person denigrating the websleuths above, they may be unemployed and they may be millennials (though most aren't, in my experience), but they were able to fill in/figure out many details that the cops didn't have the time to. Also, by posting this stuff on the web, they kept it there for posterity and for the perusal of anyone who was interested or might have specialized knowledge.

They are a wonderful resource.

by Anonymousreply 121April 30, 2018 3:02 AM

r120, when was that stuff PROVEN to be true? Looks like random speculation

by Anonymousreply 122April 30, 2018 3:10 AM

R122, it was never proven. Investigators believe it was a plan only, not a map of a development that was ever built.

by Anonymousreply 123April 30, 2018 3:46 AM

I would like to know the evidence he was charged with in the Maggiore's slayings. He shot them. Did he leave physical evidence behind? I didn't know until today that Maggiore wasn't just an Airman, but he was an MP. It had been speculated that the EAR was casing the neighborhood when he came upon Maggiore who recognized him. Many speculated that EAR was in the Air Force and recognized Maggiore. Instead, he may have recognized him from joint task forces policing the area.

by Anonymousreply 124April 30, 2018 5:39 AM

[quote]Bonnie is into ass to mouth?

She certainly wasn't into his micropenis

by Anonymousreply 125April 30, 2018 6:01 AM

R124, There was a ski mask left at the scene, and ski masks are treasure troves of DNA -- sweat, hair, saliva, and epithelial cells. Most likely semen as well, as he had been very active in prowling the neighborhood in the weeks leading up to the Maggiore murders (and that night as well), peeping in windows and in even drawing on one woman's bedroom window with semen.

It's kind of irrelevant anyway because Sacramento County was just showboating with the Maggiore charges. If there were no egos involved they would have handed it over to Ventura or OC where he'll ultimately stand trial. For their purposes, even if there had been no DNA at all, a footprint from a shoe that matched those found at other crime scenes and a shoelace with a matching knot would have been enough to bring charges. It's not as if they'll ever have to try that case.

by Anonymousreply 126April 30, 2018 7:26 AM

If, as has been suggested, D’Angelo had the self discipline to stop raping and killing - considering the number of his victims prior, I think that he or any serial killer is able to do that is scary.

Maybe he used booze to stifle the urges resulting in his theorised alcoholic state? Or maybe he suffered an injury or developed an illness that prevented him from continuing? IIRC, there was a case in real life with a serial rapist in I think D.C. (?) who just stopped. Most LE thought he died, but one officer couldn’t let it go, and years later managed to get DNA off original evidence and tracked down the rapist. Apparently he was run down at the time he was raping, wound up paralysed from the waist down, so no way to rape. When he was found he was a booze addled alcoholic.

As for potential victims outside CA - I’d hope they’d look into his travels foreign and domestic just to see if anything turns up. I heard that the Toronto Gay Serial Killer had property in Mexico he visited - I’d wager it’s a safe bet some poor locals wound up buried there if true.

Curious if anyone has read Patton Oswalt’s late wife’s book (sorry drawing a blank on her name and book title) and whether she was on the right track, remotely close, or no where near how this now has ended?

In earlier threads on serial killers, I believe a number of DL sleuths speculated the EAR/ONS could be LE. I believe in the recent DiscID program on the case, a few involved thought he had to have some military background too.

R95 - in NYC and out on the island, it has long been assumed that the Long Island Seeial Killer was LE - in fact it has been claimed that the commissioner/chief of police, the DA, and others that were arrested recently enough on corruption charges actually know who he is and covered it all up. Wouldn’t surprise me.

by Anonymousreply 127April 30, 2018 7:29 AM

"Beating people to death with a chunk of firewood. Where does that kind of rage come from? "

Apparently the women's room at the Bellagio.

by Anonymousreply 128April 30, 2018 8:03 AM

Well if you’re going to bring up something like the Sweetheart Murders, surely I deserve a mention, too!

by Anonymousreply 129April 30, 2018 8:09 AM

R129, I suspect the Keddie Cabin murders will be the next mystery solved, and this familial DNA will probably be the reason for it, too.

[quote] DNA taken from a strip of white medical tape consistent with that used to bind the victims’ hands and ankles, and to cover the mouth of one victim, has revealed much as the Plumas County Sheriff’s Office moves forward in its efforts to solve the quadruple murder case.

[quote] A segment of tape containing identifiable DNA was found on the floor near the body of Glenna “Sue” Sharp, 36, in 1981, Plumas County Sheriff’s special investigator Mike Gamberg said recently.

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by Anonymousreply 130April 30, 2018 8:41 AM

No, r111. That's Bonnie's new profession: hiding ATMs. Apparently, Bonnie is a very strong woman.

by Anonymousreply 131April 30, 2018 9:17 AM

R100

His poem was something else. I hope the cops have sent in an undercover cop pretending to be a TV or movie producer. He'll be sure to be talking up his crimes.

Bonnie is getting so much blame. What about the male 6th grade teacher triggering his rage?

by Anonymousreply 132April 30, 2018 10:36 AM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 133April 30, 2018 10:38 AM

R95 And they need to combine the LE employee DNA database with military DNA databases.

by Anonymousreply 134April 30, 2018 10:44 AM

I thought the military DNA database can only be used to identify remains.

by Anonymousreply 135April 30, 2018 1:31 PM

Does anyone have a linked article on his kids? Someone made reference in thread 1 but I can’t find it.

by Anonymousreply 136April 30, 2018 2:09 PM

I guess he played too many violent video games as a child!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 137April 30, 2018 2:59 PM

How hard could it be to find a male 6th grade teacher from back then?

by Anonymousreply 138April 30, 2018 4:21 PM

^ In a state with millions of people, pretty hard. Has it even been proven that the writing was his, anyway?

by Anonymousreply 139April 30, 2018 4:30 PM

[quote]"Never gonna catch me" (December 2, 1977): A man claiming to be the East Area Rapist called the Sacramento Police to taunt them, saying "You're never gonna catch me, East Area Rapist, you dumb fuckers

He sounds like Mark Zuckerberg there.

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by Anonymousreply 140April 30, 2018 4:39 PM

For the commenter who keeps asking if any of the clues were proven to be his, you are aware that they just caught him days ago, decades after the crime. NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN YET. That is why they are "clues," and people who are working on them call them theories.

BTW, the notebook (with the map and the creepy note about the sixth grade teacher) were strongly thought by LE to belong to the EARSONS.

For a long time, this was the best we had to go on.

by Anonymousreply 141April 30, 2018 6:25 PM

Not to harp on it, but it really must’ve been extra creepy during these already mind bogglingly scary rapes to find some tiny toe thing going inside and out of you. Like you’re being raped by some creepy deformed demon.

by Anonymousreply 142April 30, 2018 6:32 PM

Find=feel

by Anonymousreply 143April 30, 2018 6:32 PM

Such an ugly visage, almost devoid of features like some weird fish.

by Anonymousreply 144April 30, 2018 6:39 PM

It's scary that there were two prior suspects that the police were ready to arrest except they were pre-cleared by DNA. Imagine how many innocent people may have gone to the chair pre-DNA with solid cases against them. "A determined archeologist always finds what he or she is looking for given enough time."

by Anonymousreply 145April 30, 2018 9:56 PM

[quote]Curious if anyone has read Patton Oswalt’s late wife’s book (sorry drawing a blank on her name and book title) and whether she was on the right track, remotely close, or no where near how this now has ended?

It’s been discussed.m, check out these two threads.

Yes, I’ve read it. No, it’s not very good- it was only half finished when she died. The book is repetitive and spends too much time inserting the author’s own drama into the narrative, and is a rehash of many other researchers’ work. It’s fine for a rundown for someone unfamiliar with the case, but only going in knowing that very little is her or the co-authors’ own work.

And much of her conclusions about this guy were completely wrong.

by Anonymousreply 146April 30, 2018 10:44 PM

Web Sleuths has never solved shit. They're just a bunch of forensic file fraus.

by Anonymousreply 147May 1, 2018 12:33 AM

Found on his iPod:

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by Anonymousreply 148May 1, 2018 5:02 AM

No visitors for Golden State Killer in jail.

[quote] No one has visited the former police officer so far, according to jail records.

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by Anonymousreply 149May 1, 2018 5:39 AM

"He’ll be dead within a year or less."

He'll be suicided in his cell. No one must hear that his fellow cops covered for him for decades.

by Anonymousreply 150May 1, 2018 6:00 AM

A good piece about what life was like for some of EAR/ONS' victims and family members of victims after the attacks.

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by Anonymousreply 151May 1, 2018 6:05 AM

As a California taxpayer, R150, I'm actually okay if he "commits suicide" in his prison cell.

He'll be dead, he'll have saved the taxpayers millions of dollars that would have been used to prosecute him, he'll suffer the terror of a secret assault, and he'll know the humiliation of being killed by the very people who he assumed would protect him. That's actually closer to justice than 20 years of trials and appeals and a humane execution.

by Anonymousreply 152May 1, 2018 6:08 AM

Please no insults R144

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by Anonymousreply 153May 1, 2018 6:24 AM

Why so protective of Ted Cruz, r153?

by Anonymousreply 154May 1, 2018 6:39 AM

Don’t forget about the LeStat travesty that was Tammy Cruise with a bad bleach job. He killed many a fan in “Interview With a Vampire.”

by Anonymousreply 155May 1, 2018 8:13 AM

bump

by Anonymousreply 156May 1, 2018 8:05 PM

About tracking the Zodiac through DNA -- from the way it's described here, it appears that there are stamps and envelopes he used to send taunting letters that may be sitting around unexamined for potential DNA evidence, They were able get partial DNA from one stamp back in 2010, so it is likely he licked others.

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by Anonymousreply 157May 1, 2018 9:19 PM

I wonder if any relatives of the best-known suspects would be willing to donate DNA for comparison purposes?

I wonder if any law-enforcement agency is still working on the Zodiac cases, and would be willing to fund DNA comparisons? Because all the major suspects are dead, the only reason an agency would take the trouble would be for the publicity of finally solving a high-profile case.

by Anonymousreply 158May 1, 2018 9:33 PM

Wonder what this is all about?

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by Anonymousreply 159May 2, 2018 1:09 AM

He scary

by Anonymousreply 160May 2, 2018 2:32 AM

Not sure if this has been posted yet...

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by Anonymousreply 161May 2, 2018 6:26 AM

I read several victim accounts of this creep's crimes. What a pathetic tool he was/is. He couldn't even get it up half the time to properly rape his victims.....and they all said he was hung like a fucking peanut. He had knives, but rarely used them---just made lots of threats to kill but never even cut anyone. He wore masks and gloves, but usually took them off at some point. He made frequent trips to the kitchen to eat mid-attack (wtf?). He seemed disoriented, disorganized and often cried to the victims, expressing regret. He had a slight build and was not strong. FFS, this dude was such a weak, sniveling, fucked up amateur, and yet he was never caught....and his victims rarely fought back. Why?

His MO was so consistent that people knew while being attacked that he was EARONS. Why was he so difficult to catch? And why were his victims so compliant, knowing he never killed anyone---only made empty threats? Maybe it's different these days. Now we're told to fight back with everything we've got. But back then it was assumed that the best way to survive an attack, no matter how incompetent. was to do anything the rapist tells you to do.

by Anonymousreply 162May 2, 2018 6:38 AM

R162, dude, he killed more than 12 people.

by Anonymousreply 163May 2, 2018 6:57 AM

During the period r162 describes, with multiple accounts of surviving victims, the EAR wasn't known to have committed any murders yet (except the one in Visalia which they hadn't connected). I know there is definitely one woman, only thirteen at the time, who, while she didn't exactly fight back, gave him a lot of attitude and says it was because she knew he hadn't killed any of his victims so he wouldn't kill her.

[quote]“I knew I wasn’t gonna let him have what he came for, and that was to have power over me by frightening me and have fear,” she said.

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by Anonymousreply 164May 2, 2018 7:43 AM

Even if he hadn’t killed anyone yet would you want to provoke the guy who just broke into your house, raped you and threatened to kill you. Maybe a 13 year old who is young and lippy, but an older person who realises they’re in the company of someone seriously unhinged might also consider that if he’s behaving like a loon, by crying, eating, raping he might also be capable of mudering. And voila, he ended up adding murder to MO.

by Anonymousreply 165May 2, 2018 7:52 AM

[quote] He had a slight build and was not strong. FFS, this dude was such a weak, sniveling, fucked up amateur, and yet he was never caught....and his victims rarely fought back. Why?

Are you as stupid as Don Lemon who wondered why any of Bill Cosby's assailants hadn't tried to bite his penis off. Seriously? It's bad enough that your being raped and torn within an inch, but to provoke an assailant to kill you is supposed to be the valiant thing a woman is supposed to do if she is to survive? Think that through, if you are capable.

[quote]His MO was so consistent that people knew while being attacked that he was EARONS. Why was he so difficult to catch? And why were his victims so compliant, knowing he never killed anyone---only made empty threats? Maybe it's different these days. Now we're told to fight back with everything we've got. But back then it was assumed that the best way to survive an attack, no matter how incompetent. was to do anything the rapist tells you to do.

FFS, you are too stupid to even have us believe you have a brain stem directing your autonomic nervous functions.

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by Anonymousreply 166May 2, 2018 9:51 AM

A couple of court dates coming up...

This morning, 5/2 — Sacramento

5/7 — OC arraignment

by Anonymousreply 167May 2, 2018 10:18 AM

10:1, he won't make it to June.

by Anonymousreply 168May 2, 2018 10:19 AM

r166, I don't think baby dick killer was tearing up any pussy.

by Anonymousreply 169May 2, 2018 1:58 PM

R168 u think he’ll manage to off himself? They must be guarding pretty close against that.

by Anonymousreply 170May 2, 2018 2:03 PM

R145, there’s a documentary (the confession tapes) that’s too troubling to watch, about police coercion to get innocent people to confess. Many are older crimes.

by Anonymousreply 171May 2, 2018 2:18 PM

People here were saying Jerry Sandusky and Dennis Hastert were going to off themselves, too, but unfortunately those guys are still with us.

by Anonymousreply 172May 2, 2018 3:02 PM

Very compressive article R161. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 173May 2, 2018 3:06 PM

Serial killers tend to be mechanically apt. They know all about tools and motors and rope and chains.

I worked a summer in a Home Depot and you would not believe the solo male creepos with anger issues that you encounter in there.

by Anonymousreply 174May 2, 2018 4:45 PM

Uh, R166, please join us in the current century. The recommended course of action now is to fight back and fight hard--with everything you've got. Look for an advantage and escape. The latest research says that your chances of survival are no better if you are compliant. In fact, they are worse.

He tied the victims them up with shoe laces, FFS. Did his 40 some odd rape victims even 'try' to make a run for it when he was ransacking the house looking for spare change? Or when he stopped mid-rape to wolf down snacks in the kitchen? No, they didn't. And the male victims, who were laying down in another room with dishes stacked on their chests, did nothing as well. The perv told the men he would hear if the dishes fell and he would kill everyone. The male victims never moved a muscle, even though they knew this guy never killed anyone.

by Anonymousreply 175May 2, 2018 5:20 PM

Goodness, aren't you the judgmental know-it-all? Of course, you've been in a same situation, yes? Or might you be the bitter offspring of the man who stood up at the community meeting wondering exactly what you are, only to find himself tied up and his wife raped a few months later?

by Anonymousreply 176May 2, 2018 6:15 PM

R175 is Mark Whalberg bragging that had he been on the plane on 9/11 he would have overpowered the terrorists and saved the day.

by Anonymousreply 177May 2, 2018 6:24 PM

The WaPo link at r161 details how they put it all together, fascinating.

They actually didn't use any one person's uploaded public DNA database sample, directly. They took the killer's saved sample and matched it to several distant cousins, who they then cross-checked to trace back to a pair of common ancestors, from the early 19th century. From there they spent years painstakingly recreating an entire family tree of their descendants, in the many 1000s. When they got to the present-day generation they simply reviewed the results for the few men who fit a general profile, got a warrant for current DNA from them (one assumes from the discarded trash) and voila! exact match found. Brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 178May 2, 2018 6:59 PM

It sounds like the Sac PD's press conference was a lot of baloney and credit-taking. They did very little of the work and instead it was a Contra Costa County district attorney's office investigator with a background in forensic science who came up with the idea and manpower to crack the case.

by Anonymousreply 179May 2, 2018 7:11 PM

There's no love lost between Paul Holes and Anne Marie Schubert, r179. The way he was treated at the press conference was unseemly, to put it mildly.

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by Anonymousreply 180May 2, 2018 8:19 PM

I echo everyone’s suggestion to read the Washington Post story at r161. This wasn’t a random find, nor did a relative turn over DNA. This was due to old fashioned hard work and science.

by Anonymousreply 181May 2, 2018 9:03 PM

R175 some victims did fight back. He escalated after that. He was not remotely disorganized. He stalked his victims for a long time. His Sacramento area victims complied and they lived. They all knew that they were likely to live if they complied based on what happened before. They wouldn't know what he'd have done if they fought back. You are an asshole and a stupid one at that.

by Anonymousreply 182May 2, 2018 9:40 PM

What r182 said

by Anonymousreply 183May 2, 2018 9:52 PM

The thing about that Margaret Wardlow though, and the way she acts like SHE's so special and rape wasn't so bad, bragging about how SHE'D never shed a tear over it, something about that reminded me of so many "tough" conservative broads I know. I wasn't surprised when I looked her up and found that not only does she claim to "love" the pussy-grabber in chief, she also shared a fake news article slating Jessica Leeds, one of the women who accused him of sexual assault, as a Clinton Foundation staffer.

So she SMEARED this other possible victim because she dared accused her beloved pussygrabber. Of course she did.

by Anonymousreply 184May 2, 2018 10:17 PM

two of the victims got loose from the binding and fought back.they died.

by Anonymousreply 185May 3, 2018 12:49 AM

Why does R175 think biting an aggressive and armed rapist's penis is a good survival technique? We are waiting for the technical explanation, if not the practical one.

by Anonymousreply 186May 3, 2018 5:11 AM

Okay, but why didn't law enforcement catch this loser, who raped people for hours in their own homes, used the same MO over and over, blubbered the name of his ex-girlfriend and "mommy" to his victims, stayed in small geographic areas, and left all kinds of clues/evidence at the scenes? Why did it take the super sleuthing of DNA experts decades later to get him, when all they really had to do was put some boots on the ground when this was all happening real time? Scary that the people who are supposed to serve and protect the community were so clueless and inept..

by Anonymousreply 187May 3, 2018 7:16 AM

Clearly, if you'd only offered you services, r187, we wouldn't be having this discussion. It is through their failure to hire you is why they couldn't crack it. Please take a bow, R187, as the members of our board offer your services to the various alphabet agencies entrusted with catching serial/multiple murderers. You seem to need an ancillary income, so congratulations for your insights, impediments and likely treasure trove of information.

by Anonymousreply 188May 3, 2018 7:38 AM

I want hot daddy Paul Holes in me quite deeply.

by Anonymousreply 189May 3, 2018 8:12 AM

[quote] Okay, but why didn't law enforcement catch this loser, who raped people for hours in their own homes,

Because he was one of their own, so he was always one step ahead and knew more about what cops would be doing than the average killer?

by Anonymousreply 190May 3, 2018 8:15 AM

One indignity after the other: [bold]East Area Rapist suspect must provide DNA and allow photos of private parts, judge rules[/bold]

He was wheeled into the courtroom again this morning. If he was going through DTs and was on benzos to counter, it should all be over by now. I wonder if he's refusing to walk and passive aggressively collapses into a heap so the guards have to push him around in the chair?

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by Anonymousreply 191May 3, 2018 5:17 PM

[quote]allow photos of private parts, judge rules

Ahahahaha. Now everyone will see he's hung like a raisin.

by Anonymousreply 192May 3, 2018 6:36 PM

Wouldn't Zodiac most likely be dead by now?

by Anonymousreply 193May 3, 2018 6:41 PM

If Zodiac was 20-25 when the crimes were committed he'd be in his 70's now. It's very possible he's alive.

by Anonymousreply 194May 3, 2018 6:48 PM

I always imagined Zodiac to be 30s to 40s during his crime spree, although maybe I'm being influenced by the Robert Graysmith book and 2007 film.

by Anonymousreply 195May 3, 2018 6:55 PM

[quote] allow photos of private parts

We talking the tiny meat or will this include hole? It's all private.

by Anonymousreply 196May 3, 2018 7:50 PM

Yuck, R196, and right in the middle of my lunch!

by Anonymousreply 197May 3, 2018 7:56 PM

New here r197?

by Anonymousreply 198May 3, 2018 8:40 PM

Not at all, R198, but the the current condition of the EAR/ONS' hole is not one that I would like to envision..

by Anonymousreply 199May 3, 2018 8:44 PM

This wheelchair bullshit is all an act. He still looks like he has formidable upper body strength, was very fit into his 30s, and was even up until they arrested him. He is soooo going to milk this old man defense.

by Anonymousreply 200May 3, 2018 8:51 PM

Either you’re very young or have watched way too much TV r187.

If it was that obvious and easily solved why didn’t you solve it? Everyone had a tonne of information on the case. In fact, the zodiac killer is still out there, there’s lots of clues on that too. Maybe you should put yourself on the case. You’re obviously a born detective. Get back to us first thing tomorrow with Zodiac’s name. How hard can it be? Off you go.

by Anonymousreply 201May 3, 2018 8:52 PM

R200 he might be somewhat sedated but I bet he can walk. He is just being ultra difficult. He’s going to make every last thing for them a struggle. Make them wrestle him into a chair, wheel him in there, mumble etc. This whole process will be like getting blood from a stone. But given half a chance he’d kill every last person in that room.

by Anonymousreply 202May 3, 2018 8:59 PM

Why are you all being so disrespectful to Paul HoleS?????

1. It's HoleS! H-O-L-E-S!!!

2. R196, why are you asking if he'll be included in the pictures????? He's retired! Let the man have some peace! And by "tiny meat," are you implying that he's 90% vegetarian??? He's not! He's a MAN; he eats lots of red meat! He isn't like [italic]that[/italic]!!!

3. R197, he would never ruin anyone's lunch! I'm staring at my Paul Holes screensaver right now, and this meat-lovers pizza is going down just fine, thank you very much!!

4. R199, why would you have to envision his current condition???????? His picture is everywhere, and it's gorgeous!!! Even more gorgeous (not to mention lighter....praise Jesus!) than forbidden-hottie Juan Martinez, if I dare say so myself!!!

I'm reporting all of you to Tricia right now!! You think you're safe from her just because you're posting all of this nasty cr*p on DL????

by Anonymousreply 203May 3, 2018 9:06 PM

Why couldn't you just agree with me when it came first, R200?

by Anonymousreply 204May 3, 2018 11:14 PM

Websleuths don't like Paul Holes who actually solved the case? Too funny and apt for that frau central of self and other hatred neuroses/

by Anonymousreply 205May 3, 2018 11:35 PM

r162, " knowing he never killed anyone---only made empty threats?"????????????????? Man, you are way stupid.

by Anonymousreply 206May 3, 2018 11:36 PM

r177, Or Trump, who would have run into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School to save students.

by Anonymousreply 207May 3, 2018 11:40 PM

I was much too young and dewy to be of help to LE when the Zodiac murders were happening. Oh, but I have found the murderer NOW alright, and it didn't even take me 'til morning. He is..........R201.

by Anonymousreply 208May 3, 2018 11:54 PM

R38 the navy was well aware of Fred Howard Coffey. He even was known to have molested an officers young daughter. The navy knew he was raping children and just kept moving him around to try to keep it from catching up with him.

If they were aware this guy was raping Asian women they not only wouldn't have cared they would have covered it up.

by Anonymousreply 209May 4, 2018 12:14 AM

A defendant has no Fifth Amendment rights in his DNA. Likewise pictures of his penis for investigative or identification purposes. Obviously his attorney can object if they are taken in a manner that is unnecessarily intrusive or humiliating. Or if they are taken constantly, for instance.

I thought I read somewhere that if someone is in the medical unit of the jail then the policy is they are wheeled into court. That actually makes sense especially if they are under the influence of certain medications

by Anonymousreply 210May 4, 2018 12:56 AM

[quote] Websleuths don't like Paul Holes who actually solved the case? Too funny and apt for that frau central of self and other hatred neuroses/

Who do they prefer? Michelle McCormick who had absolutely ZERO to do with solving this crime?

by Anonymousreply 211May 4, 2018 12:58 AM

McNamara. Not McCormick.

McNamara and Holes were friendly. I can’t recall how much they collaborated, but they did work together on some of her research.

by Anonymousreply 212May 4, 2018 1:02 AM

McNamara devoted an entire whole chapter to Holes, riding around with him in a cop car to visit old homes and scenes of the crime.

by Anonymousreply 213May 4, 2018 1:05 AM

Thank you for your correction. McCormick McNamara. Makes no difference. She didn't solve the crime. He was nice enough to let her do a drive around so she could get more info for her book.

by Anonymousreply 214May 4, 2018 1:16 AM

Did anybody read the Larry Crompton book about EAR/ONS, "Sudden Terror?" Worth checking out?

I guess they are all sort of moot and irrelevant now that he has been caught, and they were all wrong...

by Anonymousreply 215May 4, 2018 1:21 AM

The Zodiac killer will never be found, but I think the lay people who have researched different people as suspects, have touched on the killer, but just can’t prove it. Some of them have very strong arguments as to who is the killer. Series of small mistakes have made the Zodiac killings unsolvable.

by Anonymousreply 216May 4, 2018 2:11 AM

It was Arthur Leigh Allen, in Berryessa, with the knife!

by Anonymousreply 217May 4, 2018 2:13 AM

It wasn't Arthur Leigh Allen (Graysmith fudged some of the "evidence" to make Allen seem like a better suspect than he was) and none of the people publicly named as Zodiac "suspects" fit at all. I think, like DeAngelo, it will turn out to be a guy who wasn't on anyone's radar

by Anonymousreply 218May 4, 2018 3:26 AM

Will we get to see the dick picks? I have never seen a pencil dick before...

by Anonymousreply 219May 4, 2018 6:53 AM

^^Hopefully they will be leaked. Aren't pencil dicks long and skinny? I don't think that's the case here. More like a little nubbin.

Anyway, I have wondered if the tiny dick meme was just something LE made up to enrage him and get him to reveal himself.

by Anonymousreply 220May 4, 2018 7:19 AM

It's definitely a little nubbin. No shaft.

Picture a baby turtle poking its head out through a bunch of pond weed.

by Anonymousreply 221May 4, 2018 7:25 AM

He's so tiny that one victim had an unbroken hymen despite being raped several times.

by Anonymousreply 222May 4, 2018 7:41 AM

r216, zodiac may be solved in a few months using the same techniques.

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by Anonymousreply 223May 4, 2018 7:45 AM

Wow, [R223]! Would be amazing if that pans out and (then) two notorious CA serial killers were publicly identified within months of each other...

by Anonymousreply 224May 4, 2018 1:02 PM

What is Mitt Romney up to these days?

by Anonymousreply 225May 4, 2018 2:14 PM

If the Zodiac is still alive he was probably anticipating this. But still, why give him a head's up? He'll probably be smart enough not to leave any DNA in his garbage if they start narrowing down suspect's.

by Anonymousreply 226May 4, 2018 2:26 PM

I highly doubt Zodiac is still alive, just my hunch.

by Anonymousreply 227May 4, 2018 6:15 PM

He was supposed to be 40 in 1969, so I would have to agree with you.

by Anonymousreply 228May 4, 2018 6:18 PM

All the major official Zodiac suspects are dead, aren't they? So solving that case is more likely to be a matter of historical interest than actually bringing a killer to justice. I hope someone, somewhere, devotes some time and money to doing the genetic research.

Someone other than a reality TV channel.

by Anonymousreply 229May 4, 2018 8:01 PM

The Zodiac has two surviving victims who I'm sure would like to see that case solved.

by Anonymousreply 230May 4, 2018 8:05 PM

The more we know about serial killers, the easier they are to spot.

by Anonymousreply 231May 4, 2018 8:06 PM

What about Jon-Benet then? Didn’t she have some unindentified DNA on her?

by Anonymousreply 232May 4, 2018 10:25 PM

Does Colorado allow familial DNA, R232?

by Anonymousreply 233May 4, 2018 10:31 PM

Colorado does allow it.

by Anonymousreply 234May 4, 2018 10:40 PM

I agree R230 as I recall 1 of those victims fled the Bay Area because he was afraid the killer might come after him. I'm sure the living victims would love to know for sure if he's dead. There's also something to be said for clearing the names of the innocent suspects. They might be dead, but their relatives might like to get rid of the mark on their family.

by Anonymousreply 235May 4, 2018 11:05 PM

The impression that I had of Mageau (from the Graysmith book) is that he fled and wanted it all left in the past, and wanted nothing more to do with the Zodiac case. I guess who could blame him, he must have remained traumatized forever..

The other guy who was with Cecilia Shepherd came across as more cooperative and interested in capturing the killer.

by Anonymousreply 236May 4, 2018 11:30 PM

[quote]What about Jon-Benet then? Didn’t she have some unindentified DNA on her?

Yes, first collected from her underpants, then after a reexamination another sample was taken from her pjs. The two samples were deemed similar if not an outright match and were from an unknown male. It was this dna that lead to the DA apologizing to the Ramseys as it didn’t match anyone in the family.

by Anonymousreply 237May 4, 2018 11:35 PM

This is very interesting. I hope we get to uncover the zodiac killer before the end of the year.

If only Jack the Ripper would be uncover.

by Anonymousreply 238May 4, 2018 11:38 PM

I think we need to get Patricia Cornwell on the Jonbenet and Zodiac cases. ;)

by Anonymousreply 239May 4, 2018 11:43 PM

Well, they're doing DNA on the stamps of the Zodiak killer now. There are stamped envelopes from Jack the Ripper, so who knows? They maybe able (one day, when legalities are sorted) to tell us at least Jack's family.

by Anonymousreply 240May 5, 2018 12:15 AM

There were also letters in the Black Dahlia case. No idea how well they’ve been preserved.

by Anonymousreply 241May 5, 2018 12:48 AM

The DNA in the JonBenet case was misrepresented from the start. I'll try to steer clear of the rabbit hole of how testing was actually handled in the nineties, and how it was then used by those outside the lab in those days, except to say that it was almost a forgone conclusion in law enforcement at that that mixed DNA was from two people.

I guess they didn't like being told by labs that the samples they submitted were much trickier composites of three or more people in which only the victim's could be clearly identified. Better to just pretend that things were moving in the right direction I guess; that's the innocent explanation. The other explanations range from confirmation bias to outright misrepresentation.

Re: the mixed samples collected from JB's underwear, they were told by the lab that the sample likely contained DNA from [italic]at least[/italic] two people. There was nothing even close STR profiling back then, and even now we're still not there (I have another long-winded post in the earlier thread. Search term: STRmix).

More than two would have rendered the sample completely useless, so they just jumped the gun and labeled it "Unknown Male #1" despite not even being able to come up with the ten markers needed to submit it to CODIS. In the early 2000's they did retest the sample and managed to come up with additional markers, but nothing came of it.

The DA, for whatever reason, wanted this sketchy sample had to have come from an unknown killer. Further testing of the underwear (and other items of clothing, including a pair of long johns) by Bode Tech couldn't replicate the earlier results but the DA decided to run to the Ramseys' defense anyway. What Bode did find was DNA from more than one person [italic]after[/italic] JonBenet's had been isolated and removed from the equation. Also, they determined that the Unknown Male #1 mixture could not be included or excluded as part of the long johns' samples. The whole thing is a mess.

All of that to say, there were more alleles found than could possibly have come from JonBenet and one unknown person. The whole thing is a mess and if there's enough of a sample left for testing, they really need to start from square one using STRmix, even though I'm not a fan of their business practices. It's really the best they can do at this point.

by Anonymousreply 242May 5, 2018 12:48 AM

Is it rape rape if the hymen remains intact?

by Anonymousreply 243May 5, 2018 12:57 AM

"Foregone conclusion," before I get jumped.

by Anonymousreply 244May 5, 2018 1:01 AM

20/20 is doing a piece on DeAngelo's arrest. It starts in a couple minutes.

by Anonymousreply 245May 5, 2018 1:58 AM

not long winded at all r242 thank for the explanation. It's posters like you with knowledge that make DL worth reading.

by Anonymousreply 246May 5, 2018 2:15 AM

R242, appreciate the explanation.

by Anonymousreply 247May 5, 2018 3:16 AM

Thanks for the heads up, R245. I can catch it here on the west coast. I hope they give due credit to Paul Holes. Ann Marie Shubert, the DA who happens to be running for reelection is using the EAR case in her campaign adds already without having contributed anything to his capture other than signing of on the arrest warrant (the DA does that, right?)

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by Anonymousreply 248May 5, 2018 4:35 AM

Agreed, r246

If you don't mind another question, how good is the chain of evidence/handling protocol at labs? I know government labs have been faulted, but what about the private ones?

I imagine this is the next frontier for smart defense attorneys.

by Anonymousreply 249May 5, 2018 4:50 AM

I'm not posting and talking on the phone simultaneously this time, so hopefully I can spare you the typos...

R249, I would say that it's much better than at government labs because at least the private labs are aware that they can be put out of business if they mess up too badly. In both private and government labs, human error is more of a problem than chain of custody. And by human error I mean things as unbelievable as a lab tech who when given saliva and semen samples from the [italic]same person[/italic], couldn't come up with a match!

When DNA comes up in casual conversation, people are sometimes taken aback by the very idea that mistakes can be made, because everyone has been so conditioned to think of DNA as this great infallible. Taken on its own, it is close to infallible. In the hands of a human being — even a competent, experienced one — who's being rushed through a huge backlog, things can go wrong. When government labs receive part of their funding based upon the number of successful convictions, things have the potential to go very wrong.

I've never met anyone who enjoyed working at a government lab. To hear them talk, it's a never-ending series of people/agencies who really, really, really want the profile to match the suspect they want it to match, and they want it yesterday. There's also too much familiarity. In a perfect world, there would be no interaction at all between law enforcement and the lab.

Overall, there's just a lot less stress and craziness at private labs.

by Anonymousreply 250May 5, 2018 7:13 AM

BUMP!

by Anonymousreply 251May 5, 2018 12:22 PM

Not to get too far off topic, but IIRC i read that the DNA in JonBenet’s clothes was some sort of minimal sample, maybe “touch DNA”?, that could’ve come from anyone including the Chinese peasant who packaged it for original sale. True?

by Anonymousreply 252May 5, 2018 12:26 PM

R252, yes, the DNA is from the manufacturing and packaging. If the DNA was actually from a person who had physical/sexual contact with JBR, there would ne no problem getting a good sample.

by Anonymousreply 253May 5, 2018 3:45 PM

Is it going to be years before this case goes to trial? What's the likelihood that it will be a televised trial?

by Anonymousreply 254May 5, 2018 8:16 PM

The last, most notorious case Sacramento County had was Ted Kazcisnki, the Unabomber. There was no trial as he pleaded guilty, but I don't think any proceedings were televised. I'm not sure his Public Defender would spend too much time asking for no cameras. Then again, he's become rather invested in acting the part of an invalid in a wheelchair that he might want to be seen.

by Anonymousreply 255May 5, 2018 9:31 PM

They thought he was a guy living in an Oregon nursing home at first.

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by Anonymousreply 256May 5, 2018 9:33 PM

Apparently, he liked ordering a tuna salad, and he touched the waitress inappropriately lately.

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by Anonymousreply 257May 6, 2018 8:15 AM

"The second time I served him his tuna salad he threw the cheese on the table," Carte said. "And I said, 'What's wrong?' He's like, 'What are you trying to do, kill me? I can't eat cheese. I told you before.'"

If only the victims had some cheese...

by Anonymousreply 258May 6, 2018 8:41 AM

I think he took a bite out of a block of cheese that was in one of his victim's refrigerators.

by Anonymousreply 259May 7, 2018 1:37 AM

The Daily Mail reported that he was a regular at a local strip club where the workers described him as cheap and racist. Shockinng.

by Anonymousreply 260May 7, 2018 3:46 PM

^ Link?

by Anonymousreply 261May 8, 2018 3:00 AM

R361, dear, dear, dear R361. You know as well as I do that Daily Mail links do not work here. Why should I bother and just frustrate posters who will bark at me as you just did. Are you new here?

I suspect (though it has not been demonstrated yet), that you are capable of a Google search to obtain such a link, yes?

Please get back to us if you fail in your simple endeavor, OK?

by Anonymousreply 262May 8, 2018 3:15 AM

R262 "R361" - Oh, dear, dear, dear,dear.

by Anonymousreply 263May 8, 2018 7:02 AM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 264May 8, 2018 11:07 AM

More disturbing quotes from the strippers about the GSK (although the last quote makes me laugh a bit—so you would only be sad/disappointed that he was a serial murderer if he *wasn’t* a racist?🙄) :

“The Gold Club dancer said she got the feeling the woman DeAngelo was talking about wasn't a real girlfriend.

'I don't know why, but it seemed he was talking about someone he paid for sex,' she said.

On another occasion, the dancer said she spoke to DeAngelo and he seemed in a bad mood.

'I asked him what was wrong and he told me he had had a fight with his girlfriend,' she recalled. 'He said: "I'm not getting any p***y tonight."'

The dancer said DeAngelo's racist rant really put her off him and after that she tried to avoid him - but that didn't stop him from trying to talk to her.

'But one time I was over by the bar he came over and tried to talk to me,' the dancer said. 'Now, in a funny way, I kind of feel glad I found out he was such a horrible racist. I wouldn't want to think that that nice old man might have killed so many people.'”

by Anonymousreply 265May 8, 2018 11:12 AM

"Why should I bother and just frustrate posters who will bark at me as you just did. Are you new here?"

Asking politely for a link isn't "barking" - you sound like an overdramatic child

by Anonymousreply 266May 8, 2018 3:06 PM

I hope they can MAKE HIM TALK

by Anonymousreply 267May 10, 2018 12:04 AM

I bet they can’t r267. That fucker is taking his secrets with him to the grave.

by Anonymousreply 268May 10, 2018 4:37 AM

I just hope he lives long enough to go to trial. You just know it's going to be good, maybe it will be televised like OJ's trial

by Anonymousreply 269May 10, 2018 4:45 AM

Reminder that the wheelchair is a ruse and that he was blasting around his neighborhood on his motorcycle in the week prior to his arrest.

by Anonymousreply 270May 10, 2018 8:55 AM

He was in the wheelchair was because he was medicated after smashing his head against the patrol car's window and into a cinderblock wall a few times. Also, prisoners on medical watch are automatically given a wheelchair to limit liability.

But, yes, he was fixing cars, riding motorcycles, and putting furniture together in the days leading up to his arrest.

by Anonymousreply 271May 10, 2018 9:07 AM

Inmate, that is.

by Anonymousreply 272May 10, 2018 9:12 AM

I do hope that some FBI profilers are able to interview him extensively (like in “MINDHUNTER”).

They may be able to make a new profile of a different (maybe law enforcement oriented?) type of serial killer that they don’t currently have on file and that may help them catch more rapists and killers like the GSK in the future...

This guy apparently wasn’t on anyone’s radar and without the innovative genetic profiling done, they likely never would have caught him.

He also didn’t seem to match up exactly with what a lot of criminal profilers out there had predicted that the GSK would be like.

That alone should freak out the criminal profiler community and be a wake up call to law enforcement that they need to study this guy (and those similar to him) in a more in depth manner.

by Anonymousreply 273May 10, 2018 9:20 AM

Four new murder charges —

Offerman & Manning and Domingo & Sanchez

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by Anonymousreply 274May 11, 2018 7:51 PM

Apparently, he witnessed his sister being raped when he was a child

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by Anonymousreply 275May 13, 2018 3:03 AM

Really? A child rape of a military dependent in Germany somewhere bewteeen 1954-1956. Well that should be easy to establish if it happened or not.

by Anonymousreply 276May 13, 2018 3:12 AM

In a way it's like that Stayner guy whos brother got kidnapped and then he a became a serial killer.

by Anonymousreply 277May 13, 2018 3:14 AM

So apparently authorities think this guy was also the "Cordova Cat Burglar," who would slink into people's homes, watch them sleep, and steal valuables from the bedroom.

So, to summarize, DeAngelo is:

East Area Rapist

Original Night Stalker

Visalia Ransacker

Golden State Killer

Cordova Cat Burglar

Has any serial killer ever had this many names?

by Anonymousreply 278May 13, 2018 6:04 AM

Oops, here's the link.

Boy, this guy sure got around. By the time they link him to every crime he has committed, he may end up being one of the most prolific criminals in California state history.

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by Anonymousreply 279May 13, 2018 6:09 AM

[quote]Has any serial killer ever had this many names?

We didnt need multiple names. We had faces then!

by Anonymousreply 280May 13, 2018 11:32 AM

All of his names were terrible, that's why he was never popular. Tinymeat killer could have been huge though.

by Anonymousreply 281May 13, 2018 12:39 PM

Also the one with "knot" in the name, r278

by Anonymousreply 282May 13, 2018 3:00 PM

Damn, this guy was a one man crime wave.

by Anonymousreply 283May 13, 2018 3:39 PM

I love R280.

by Anonymousreply 284May 13, 2018 6:14 PM

Profilers never solve shit either. They often hinder investigations because it one tracks the investigation.

by Anonymousreply 285May 13, 2018 6:28 PM

Drone shot of holes left behind after metal-detector hits in his yard

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by Anonymousreply 286May 14, 2018 8:47 AM

Has anyone mapped out how he evolved or progressed in his crimes?

by Anonymousreply 287May 14, 2018 12:51 PM

Will we ever get to find out (before the trial at least) what evidence they removed from his home? I would love for him to have had a giant box with all of the stolen photos and trinkets from the crime scenes.

by Anonymousreply 288May 14, 2018 1:27 PM

r287 lots of sites out there, this is just one of them.

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by Anonymousreply 289May 14, 2018 1:58 PM

They were in court today re: the media request to unseal the arrest/search warrants; no cameras allowed in, no plea entered yet, Diane Howard requested search-warrant returns from DA.

He was out of the wheelchair today, and into the cage.

Postponed until the 29th as the defense can't make an argument against unsealing the warrants until they've seen what was recovered.

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by Anonymousreply 290May 14, 2018 7:06 PM

Damn, courtrooms really have cages?

by Anonymousreply 291May 15, 2018 12:33 AM

Carl Ferrer of Backpage fame in the same Sacramento Superior Court cage

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by Anonymousreply 292May 15, 2018 12:53 AM

A better view

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by Anonymousreply 293May 15, 2018 12:54 AM

But why are there three guys in that cage?

by Anonymousreply 294May 15, 2018 1:16 AM

So the Big Bad Wolf won't get them, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 295May 15, 2018 1:28 AM

If you liked Lady in a Cage you'll love Psycho in a Cage!

by Anonymousreply 296May 15, 2018 2:41 AM

Thanks, R289. The Interactive Map at the link gives a further glimpse of what may be progression. e.g., at an early site dog beaten.

I guess I'm just lazy. I'll hunt around for something that shows when he moved from stalking to break ins to actual physical attacks and when they progressed to more violence and then to murder. That's the progression I'm interested in. And what may have spurred him to intensify his crimes. Perhaps it's just the need for "more" to satisfy urges or becoming emboldened.

by Anonymousreply 297May 15, 2018 3:09 AM

I wonder if he committed any crimes even before the Cordova Cat Burglar ones....

by Anonymousreply 298May 15, 2018 3:17 AM

R298 Bakersfield pick pocket. Eureka jaywalker.

by Anonymousreply 299May 15, 2018 4:14 AM

He was likely a Peeping Tom at some point (probably started as a teenager). He likely did it until he worked up the nerve to actually start entering homes and stealing things (then escalated from there).

by Anonymousreply 300May 15, 2018 4:50 AM

LOL, r299!

I agree he probably started out as a peeping tom. These guys usually do.

by Anonymousreply 301May 15, 2018 3:34 PM

Yikes, R292. I think they should just forego the cage and wheel DeAngelo out in Hannibal Lecter style.

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by Anonymousreply 302May 15, 2018 6:20 PM

I love R299

by Anonymousreply 303May 15, 2018 9:59 PM

These women get it.

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by Anonymousreply 304May 18, 2018 2:24 AM

Are two on the right showing us tinymeat verificatia?

by Anonymousreply 305May 18, 2018 3:52 PM

Yes, R305.

And in doing so, they are delivering poetic justice.

by Anonymousreply 306May 18, 2018 11:20 PM

The most disturbing parts of the 171-page warrant for the Golden State Killer suspect

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by Anonymousreply 307June 12, 2018 10:56 PM

Apparently, he stalked his victims using the drainage channels. People in Southern California should be familiar with what these look like, as they are ubiquitous. I've always maintained that bad things happen near these concrete flood channels.

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by Anonymousreply 308June 12, 2018 10:58 PM

[quote] One woman kept finding shoe prints in her yard, and the gate constantly left open. More disturbing, police wrote, she found drawings left on her bedroom window that appeared to have been written in “bodily fluids.”

by Anonymousreply 309June 12, 2018 11:00 PM

That's fucking disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 310June 13, 2018 12:10 AM

Scary

by Anonymousreply 311June 13, 2018 3:06 AM

What are drainage channels, R308? I'm from the midwest, and if we have them they're not called that. Exactly how did he use them? Are they like tunnels or sewers or something?

Sorry if those are dumb questions. I tried googling, but it wasn't much help.

by Anonymousreply 312June 13, 2018 3:46 AM

They're for water run off. Like man made cement creeks.

by Anonymousreply 313June 13, 2018 3:52 AM

R312, that's where all of Southern California's gutter water, storm run-off funnel away from the streets and into these concrete flood channels. In turn, these smaller channels (like the one pictured at R308) then funnel into even bigger concrete channels like the LA River. If you've ever seen the movie "Grease," the LA "River" is an example of the larger river flood channels. They're dry most of the year except when it rains, so these areas attract a lot of homeless, vandals, druggies, etc. I grew up not too far from one and it was the first place I saw someone shooting up drugs as kid.

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by Anonymousreply 314June 13, 2018 3:54 AM

As for how the GSK used them, it seems he was pretty good at navigating them on foot and on bike. Using them to spy at houses from an angle where he could not be seen. And then using them to escape after he committed a rape or crime.

by Anonymousreply 315June 13, 2018 3:55 AM

gtjgjj

by Anonymousreply 316June 14, 2018 1:28 AM

Oxygen is doing a special on the Golden State Killer tomorrow (Saturday)

by Anonymousreply 317August 4, 2018 1:41 AM

The Oxygen special was pretty good. I haven't really been following the case since they caught him, so it was interesting seeing his coworkers, neighbors, and others talking about their interactions with him.

by Anonymousreply 318August 7, 2018 1:46 AM

I just finished the HBO series and the ID series where they keep going on about the construction angle which I guess was completely off base now that we know who he was. I am 1/2 way through the HLN series. Does anyone know if there has been a more recent series with them knowing about DeAngelo?

by Anonymousreply 319August 7, 2020 10:32 PM

[quote] And, no, they guy is not a retired police officer. He was FIRED from the Auburn police force (as noted numerous times across both threads) after attempting to shoplift dog repellent spray and a hammer from an area business.

[quote]Please do keep up, OK?

Wrong. He was not fired. After he was caught shoplifting, he was told that he would be put on administrative leave while the incident was investigated, which was standard procedure. He resigned immediately, presumably to stop the investigation, which is what happened.

Please do keep up, OK?

And as a few posters correctly mentioned above, he has extremely skinny pencil dick of average length, not a micropenis or a nubbin.

by Anonymousreply 320September 4, 2020 6:19 AM
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