Joy Reid denies writing anti-gay posts in her now-deleted blog

Joy always struck me as someone who would complain because gay men are stealing eligible black men.

According to that article, she has already admitted to some anti-gay stuff

She never came across as bright.

hmmmmmmmm?

Is Anderson Cooper going to report on this? Will he start the drumbeat to get her fired?

She's Black. She gets a pass.

And I've been getting shit for less than that for how long now?

[quote]According to that article, she has already admitted to some anti-gay stuff

What, referring to closet case Republican Charlie Christ as Miss Charlie? You have to be kidding me. I know you hate Joy Reid because she is an "uppity black", and nothing is worse than that, but try harder.

It's not racist if they really are homophobic. I'm tired of nonwhite beneficiaries of heterosexual privilege and gentile privilege getting off the hook for this. If you hate gays, your race card will be declined.

I thought you queens washed your hands of her once her old pro Bernie tweets were dug up.

She ain't all that

She seems to have genuine friendships with Rachel, and with Jonathan Capehart, and out-gay WAPO columnist who often appears on her show. Capehart is well-regarded and frequently appears on most of the shows, he wouldn't need to appear on Joy's.

I don't think either would have much to do with her if she was truly the person as depicted in those tweets.

FF for fake concern OP. Plus, R7 is exactly right.

[quote] Joy always struck me as someone who would complain because gay men are stealing eligible black men.

The same could be argued about women stealing men from gay men.

Who IS she? Who WAS she? Who does she hope to be?

[quote] “Keeping it real … most straight men feel exactly the same way, and would have the exact same reaction to the idea of stripping naked in a sweaty locker room in close quarters with a gay teammate. Most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing… Most straight people had a hard time being convinced to watch ‘Broke Back Mountain.’ (I admit that I couldn’t go see the movie either, despite my sister’s ringing endorsement, because I didn’t want to watch the two male characters having sex.) Does that make me homophobic? Probably.”

[quote] “Some people use the [word] ‘immoral’ when they really mean ‘distasteful’ — I think a lot of heterosexuals, especially men, find the idea of homosexual sex to be … well … gross, and they lump it in with immorality,” (...) “And then there are the concerns that adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them ‘into the lifestyle’ in a way that many people consider to be immoral.”

[quote] “Ditto with gay rights groups that seek to organize very young, impressionable teens who may have an inclination that they are gay.”

[quote] “[Rick] Warren’s views on gays are out of the mainstream. Perhaps Rachel Maddow… and those at the left-most end of political spectrum wish it were so, but it is not,”

[quote] “I’m not a gay marriage proponent.”

FUCK HER

Bye bye, Blondie!

[quote] Joy Reid denies writing anti-gay posts in her now-deleted blog

A question I have: when was the blog post archived? If it was archived before she was famous nationally, I would find her claim that her site was hacked suspect.

It was archived automatically by the wayback machine. Somebody pulled the old posts from that website, and now she claims that person 1) somehow went and searched for posts of her old blog when it was defunct for years, and 2) doctored the posts to paint her as homophobic. It's nonsensical and thus utter bullshit on her part.

More like somebody remembered her homophobic shit and went on wayback to see if they could retrieve proof to expose her.

She's lying.

She doesn’t seem to acknowledge lesbians. It seems that she finds gay male sex gross. Does she know how two women have sex?

I really hope this isn't true.

That's not uncommon, R20. For plenty of people homophobia extends only to men-men, not women-women.

Uuuuggghhhhh. This would really suck if true.

Why is it always the chubby ones?

[quote]She doesn’t seem to acknowledge lesbians. It seems that she finds gay male sex gross.

She also calls us pedophiles and states she's anti-gay marriage.

Now I understand her vendetta against certain gay leftists such as Glenn Greenwald.

[quote] It's nonsensical and thus utter bullshit on her part.

Of course it is. This is someone who once said that a good way to escape NSA surveillance is to clean your browser history.

She's not tech-savvy at all. She's just a gorilla taught how to talk.

[quote] She's just a gorilla taught how to talk.

...

Yep, alt-right types all over this thread.

No, I'm a left-wing gay men. But if you talk about my kind the way Joy Reid did, I'm taking off my gloves when talking about yours.

Fuck you, R26.

I need to see this blog for myself. Anyone have a link?

I don’t know much about this woman, but I personally have never heard a black woman speak poorly about gay men. I’m sure plenty do, but I haven’t come across it as of yet.

I have heard black women discussing their exes having affairs with men, and how they wish their exes had just followed their hearts, and be who they really are, rather than being on the downlow, and fucking them and their kids over because they couldn’t be honest.

If she wrote this shit, then she deserves to be written off. But I want to see it for myself.

She fancies herself part of the establishment. Just like Clinton and Obama they would all rather have seen civil unions.

Also, her dad is from the Congo and put some pretty conservative (social) stuff in her head early.

Oddly enough, she has a gay son. He's a "commercial actor" and is gay as a three dollar bill. Has IG but I don't know his name.

[quote]I personally have never heard a black woman speak poorly about gay men.

LOL, c'mon....

As for the source, see below.

lol.... can't believe she is using the Anthony Weiner defense.

[quote]She fancies herself part of the establishment. Just like Clinton and Obama they would all rather have seen civil unions.

Well, my guess is that she would oppose civil unions as she would be against any recognition of gay male families. You wouldn't want gay male couples near "post-pubescent types", after all.

R32, Why you can't believe it? She is using that excuse because she know it will work . Her fan gurls on twitter are already blaming it on Russian

If she wrote what’s posted at R15, she deserves to be destroyed by this. However, we can call out our enemies without sinking to (or well past) their level with blatant racism.

This is so bizzarre. If true, then her career is over. I almost want to believe the “I got hacked” defense but that is highly unlikely. Unlike her Crist posts, I can’t she how she can worm her way out of this one. Also, to claim she was hacked and have it not be the case is a very dangerous ploy.

Yeah I'd like to believe she didn't write those comments, but we will see what comes out. It does irk me see a bunch of racist, homophobes acting like they care about gay people.

This is why we should stop celebrating loud straight women, especially if they're Black - because they're usually traditionalist, of low IQ, and hyper-conservative about all issues not impacting themselves.

Her Twitter account was repeating some of the same ideas.

I don't think this is the end of her career. I don't think gay groups would demand a thing from her. Gay men nowadays are scared of going against Black women - remember all those articles written these past few years about gay men oppressing Black women. Well, they've succeeded, gay men don't want to call out homophobic Blacks anymore.

Why is this coming out just now? Wasn’t this written way back?

I dunno. I’m really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. But I cannot see why anyone would want to target her with this kind of mess. Why would anyone, especially Russians, be motivated to hack her accounts?

[quote]She's just a gorilla taught how to talk.

Wow, just wow.

FF

None of it was anti gay.

r43 You've not read anything she said, huh?

Not black women? I live in Austin and work with southern black baptists. They have no trouble talking about love the sinner and hate the sin. But be aware the sinner is going to hell and thus many have huge issues with gay men. These women believe it is a choice, not something you are born with. And gay men are stealing black men away from them. I find more black women being antigay due to the religious angle then black men, who usually just don't want to hear about it. Polls showed it was black people and old people who originally fucked it up for gay marriage in California.

[quote]I’m really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Why? Would you do the same thing if it was Sean Hannity who was reported to have written this homophobic shit? Of course not. You think black women can't be homophobic? If that's the case, you need to get out more.

Every time some celebrity shows their bigotry on the internet, they always claim hacking. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. Change the script, bitch.

[quote]For plenty of people homophobia extends only to men-men, not women-women.

There are plenty that are both. Sounds like Brokeback was in the news so she had to talk about that. The homophobic people I have met are anti-gay men and anti-lesbian.

[quote]No, I'm a left-wing gay men. But if you talk about my kind the way Joy Reid did, I'm taking off my gloves when talking about yours.

You’re a left-wing nothing, troll, so stop fronting. As one of your “kind” (shudder), you can fuck right off with your loathesome racism. You do not represent me or any gay man that I know. You prove yourself to be no better than our worst enemies when you sink to their level with your garbage “gorilla” comments.

I believe her. She’s fighting back and saying she was hacked.

She speaks up against Trump, and because he cannot get Mika and Joe out, he’s going for smaller fish.

I’m going to believe her for now, unless otherwise necessary.

R38, I don’t even know why you come here. You hate minorities, you hate women, and I’m sure you hate me, and all of us here, other than your racist brethren who come here to gay bash and race bait.

[quote]Polls showed it was black people and old people who originally fucked it up for gay marriage in California.

Polls showed it was also more Black women than Black men opposing gay marriage there.

r48 Aww, you're making me feel sorry for you. I want to wipe those tears off your face. :(

[quote]Polls showed it was black people and old people who originally fucked it up for gay marriage in California.

What about HIspanics? Many of them are Catholic and have trouble with gay marriage.

Hispanics were also more likely to vote for Prop 8, but the difference vis-a-vis White people was slight.

Latinos are not all that different from white people when it comes to gay attitudes.

[quote]You’re a left-wing nothing, troll, so stop fronting.

It's rather funny they always use that tactic as if anyone buys it.

Black people find it very hard to give up their homophobia. It sustains them.

We are making progress. We did finally stop letting Alec Baldwin get away with his homophobic shit.

Now it's time Reid learned the message.

[quote]Black people find it very hard to give up their homophobia. It sustains them.

Trolls find it very hard to give up race-baiting. It sustains them.

Interesting to see the opinions people here have of Black people... Anyway, I agree she would be the first one to jump on Hannity if he had written similar posts. After all the stuff we have learned over the last few years about Facebook, Russian hacking, bots etc., anything is possible. However, I don’t believe her hacking defense. Especially, after her earlier admission to writing the Crist posts. Interesting to see how MSNBC handles this revelation.

She has still been tweeting like everything is fine.

Nothing will happen to her .Most gays media outlets not even reporting this . And its not like she has said anything against Trans which is the current fad among liberal people

What a hateful bitch.

The Wayback Machine has never been that quick at deleting old content, and the guy on Twitter who claims to have found all this didn't provide any links or show any URLs in the snapshots. He said he grabbed the screenshots a long time ago, so why didn't he publicize them until a few days ago? Why are they just partial sentences taken entirely out of context?

Also, when he provided what were supposed to be legitimate links to Mediaite, they didn't work. All makes me question a lot of what we're supposedly seeing.

A lot of what is shown is pretty dull, anyway -- it's over a decade old and written in the same idiotic style that was very popular with political bloggers back in the early and mid 2000s. What she says about gay sex is exactly what several well-known film critics said about Brokeback Mountain. It wasn't right, but it was a straight person talking point in 2005 and 2006. Things were so different back then, it's hard to explain it to people who honestly don't remember.

This is the second round of "found" anti-gay tweets.

[quote] When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

This could very well be an attack on Reid from alt right or Russian groups.

To be fair, these are from a decade ago. It's not like her views haven't changed at all in that time period.

Even if nothing happens to her, at least she got caught.

I can see that with older generations, but she should have known better, R65. Also, she went to Harvard.

I'd like to see this confirmed before I make a judgement.

Joy Reid, forced to watch "Brokeback Mountain" as punishment.

Joy Reid is turning 50 this year, not that it makes it okay if this is her, but just clarying that she isn't that young.

Sounds like dirt produced my the likes of Roger Stone. This is the stuff he and his group try to dredge up. I am very skeptical. Especially if there can be no viable or credible links.

Also, one poster above says, go after my kind, it's over and bets are off. This site routinely shreds both gay and gay friendly with abandon. In a thread about reacting to a dog coming in your yard, several give recipes on how to poison the dog vs humanely calling Animal Control. Many on this site don't have a supportive humane bone in their body.

Even if she has written comments about her personal opinion regarding gay, and gay marriage that today we do not agree with, people grow, change & evolve. Let them.

People who are 49 lived through the gay rights era. She isn't 109.

She totally wrote them, and she should've admitted it, said she was sorry, and let the chips fall where they may.

Now she's gonna be out of a job. She lied.

[quote] She lied.

If she lied, it's a little bit worse than that. She reported the hack of her website (or the "hack") to the FBI.

You’re so full of shit Boris/r72. Reid ain’t going anywhere. She’s one of MSNBCs biggest stars.

Yeah, I guess those 4Chan dudes can do anything. But the whole thing does seem strange.

As punishment She should be forced to wat h gay fisting porn for at least 24 hours

[quote] Reid ain’t going anywhere. She’s one of MSNBCs biggest stars.

That says so much about MSNBC.

If it were the case that she had written the homophobic stuff, wouldn't you think that she'd hire some IT image consultant to scrub it all from the internet. and wayback machine of such content if she was hoping to be hired by MSNBC? It's not like her blog spread over the internet like wildfire and cannot be taken back. The blog content is in one spot. The Miss Crist post calling out his hypocrisy? Why would she call out Crist's homophobic record if she was simultaneously posting the kind of stuff this guy purports to have found.? Something weird is going on.

To be fair she didn't say anything lots of posters here on DL would write themselves. There is a difference between making fun of, mocking and inciting hatred.

Blacks like her are IT illiterate. Why do you think Silicon Valley has so few black software engineers?

FF Yevgeniy

For the past year, I've kept coming across this "Joy Reid was a homophobe" meme coming from obvious Russian bots on Yahoo Comments. The same ones keep raring on claims that 'black people are naturally homophobes,' strewn with other anti-black posts. I am unsurprised to see that it's migrated here to the DL.

If those were hackers, they did a damn good job making it believable. Those are not some garden variety hackers for sure.

I guess they didn’t get far with the Joy Russian conspiracy nonsense, so it’s back to this. Divide and conquer liberals.

There has been a coordinated effort for the last year or so to take down Joy Reid. Don't buy into this nonsense.

The thing that makes me want to believe her is as much as the right hates her and wants to destroy her....they just found these comments now?

R29 If you are telling the truth, I invite you to visit www.HollywoodStreetKing.com, an urban site which is a tad less polite and civil than LSA. It is also primarily female. You will read things which will make you want to smash whatever device you are using. I was a regular there for six years, all the while trying my best to enlighten the readership as to LBG people and the realities of being gay(I am a woman.)

They are all extremely churchy women, and their homophobia stems from what they truly believe is the "word of god." But that does not lessen their hideously cruel words they use to describe and indict gay men(they are far less harsh in judging lesbians.)

I eventually stopped visiting the site because I gave up trying to effect change, and I could no longer bear their ignorant ugly words.

If you are familiar with DL's resident black bi female troll who almost daily posts" I hope all you white old fags die of AIDS" and "if I knew where you lived I would kill you myself," then I can assure you she would fit right in there.

I don't know who she be ats.

Just to put this into some perspective - Obama was against gay marriage in 2008, seven years later his administration successfully pushed for same sex marriage.

Unless Joy Reid is caught on tape in the same fashion as Kim Burrell was, I give her the benefit of a doubt that she is a homophobe.

The curious thing is that the info had already been removed from the Way back Machine when this was posted. It seems like regardless of the truth of the matter, the person who found the info had presented Reid with this info previously and she had it taken down. But for what purpose? And does the Wayback Machine just take pages down on request?

Joy Reid is a lot of things, but she is no homophobe. Think people. Don't let them do this. This is the same kind of shit that took down Al Franken.

Liberals don't care about gay people, it's 2015. Where have you guys been the past few years? please. She'll be fine.

Besides gay men are far beneath black women on the oppression totem pole. Hell, I doubt gays are even on it anymore.

R89 Obama never said things like "two men kissing is gross."

R90

The disappearance of the blog posts from wayback machine is shady AF.

I'm not sure that Wayback Machine is reliable since it accepts external contributions from users. How difficult would it be for Russians or 4chan users to upload fake material to the archive and then cite it, somewhat the way the 'Dossiers Secrets d'Henri Lobineau' were surreptitiously added to the Bibliothèque nationale de France in 1967?

[quote]Obama never said things like "two men kissing is gross."

Farrakhan did and Obama attended his one million man march in 95.

R87 as you continue on your enlightenment crusade. I invite you to visit www.datalounge.com. I’m not sure of the geographic location of most of the posters, rural or urban. But it is also often times less civil and polite than any number of other sites. And you will also read things that will make you want to smash whatever device you are using.

They are extremely bigoted and sexist. Their white supremacist bigotry and misogyny stems from their own insecurities and their lack of exposure to people who are different from them.

Let’s see how many years you will be able to tolerate that. Maybe you can enlighten that readership.

As long as people like Charlie Christ and Lindsay Graham stay in the closet, I will continue to call them Ms Lindsay and Ms Charlie. And I don't care if anyone else does either

[quote]The thing that makes me want to believe her is as much as the right hates her and wants to destroy her....they just found these comments now?

Well R86, I believe her. Why?

1. She openly admitted the stuff she wrote was wrong last time while attacking an anti-gay Republican politician she believed was closeted (and thus shouldn't be attacking gay rights) and he forgave her. She was calling him a hypocrite while unfortunately using gay stereotypes to call him out and that got her in trouble.

2. The stuff they're saying was posted before that *no one* seemed to find until *now* is contrary to the posts she *did* admit she made.

3. At this point if there had been anything else: someone would have found it a while ago. You don't think someone was combing through those entries after the last news story?

It's clearly a coordinated attack and I don't even like Joy Reid because of a run in I had with her a few years back.

R97 wins drama queen of the decade award!

R95, the 'Million Man March' had participants with all sorts of varying opinions. What's your point?

My point is I would never attend a march that was organized by Hitler light!

[quote] If those were hackers, they did a damn good job making it believable.

Yes, if it's a hack, then Boris and Svetlana have really upped their game.

For example, see how "balanced" this bit of her alleged homophobia is from the blog:

[quote]Does that make me homophobic? Probably. And I'm not exactly proud of it. But part of the intrinsic nature of "straightness" is that idea that homosexual sex is....well...gross.... even if you think gay people are perfectly lovely individuals. For the record, I'm sure gay people think straight sex is gross, too, it's just that the nature of political correctness is that gay people are ALLOWED to say straight sex is gross, but the reverse is considered to be patently homophobic.

If this is the the result of having her website hacked, then the brilliance of Boris and Svetlana's work here is that it reads like an extension of some of the tweets that Reid has already admitted to authoring.

r102, Lots of self professed liberal leaders support Farrakhan. Womens march leader Tamika Mallory posted a picture with him calling him "The greatest of all time" and basically told critics of that decision to go fuck themselves.. This was the same night she attended a speech where he said jews were his enemy.

No R102 your point is that liberals should continue taking the bait from conservatives and continue focusing on eating our own in a perpetual purity purge. Instead of closing ranks, uniting and going after conservatives.

Tamika Mallory has been widely criticized for her Farrakhan connections, and rightfully so.

I don't know if there is hope for somebody like Mallory, she's so far down the rabbit hole that I don't think she will ever come to her senses.

There are a lot of posters — or maybe it’s just one poster using various devices — aggressively pushing this thread, and this thread alone. They have no other posting history.

The people they stuck in there as "leaders" of the women's march were a bunch of frauds to derail the whole thing (they support other causes that have nothing to do with, or are anti-women)

Sure you wouldn't, R102. I'd be willing to bet you're a Trump supporter.

*My* point was that not everyone who attended that march agreed with Farrakhan. Largest organized group of black men ever; it would have been foolish for blacks to stand outside of it and refuse to participate.

[quote]Instead of closing ranks, uniting and going after conservatives.

Farrakhan is a conservative, he supported Trump.

I prefer allies to enemies. I'm weird that way.

That the right would go to these lengths to attack her proves she's one of the biggest thorns on their side. Is true she has a gay son? That would make this even less likely.

[quote]I'd be willing to bet you're a Trump supporter.

I am not, Farrakhan is, dummy!

R110, the vast majority of blacks do not concur with Farrakhan. Climb off it already.

The posts they show are very believable. Hard to imagine a Russian hacker coming up with the things in those blog posts. Maybe, *maybe* 4chan could. I don't want to believe. Frankly, I don't really even care. The things she said are said a million times a day. She evolved. Good for her if she did.

Her denying it and going so far as to hand the matter over to the FBI really throws me. I take her at her world.

Moving on...

R99 can you describe the run-in? What happened?

[quote]the vast majority of blacks do not concur with Farrakhan

Yet they did in 95, including Obama.

My point is, since R114 and her frothing-at-the-mouth-dummies still don't understand. People change, they make mistakes and they better themselves. Like I said before in this thread, unless Joy Reid pulled a Kim Burrell, I don't think she is a nonredeemable homophobe.

Does it work the o that way around, r8. There is much more racism towards blacks from your community than the other way around.

The psycho right wingers and Russian trolls have been trying to sabotage successful liberal politicians and news hosts in the last year so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried it with Joy. She admitted to what she already did back in December and now suddenly there's more stuff that didn't already come out? yeah ok. Hannity is probably paying these people to do this.

R117, no they did not concur with Farrakhan, not even then. As I pointed out, the march had lots of different speakers, offering different points of view.

A lot of what Louis Farrakhan says on behalf of black people is true. He speaks the truth and some people don't like him for it.

Also Louis Farrakhan is not a bad person. I don't agree with everything he says. But he makes a lot of great points. Not only that. But even Kanye west and Kim Kardashian went to Chicago to meet with Farrakhan at his house. And posed for a photo with him.

So there's that.

I must admit I am curious about Farrakhan's hold on SOME black people still. I don't think most black people care about him all that much, but enough black politicians do that I wonder what the deal is. why does anybody give him any kind of respect still. he's clearly an asshole. why care at this point?

cross posted with r121. so, farrakhan seems like a douche to a lot of us, at least us whites, but I think a lot of blacks. but you clearly disagree. what has he done that's so great?

R119, there's money going into these right wing initiatives from the American oligarchs, the Kochs and the Mercers. There's also dark money funnelled in from Russia through crooked real estate deals. In the latter, Hannity may well be a participant; Trump certainly is.

R26 for your comment alone I will defend Reid. Calling black people "gorillas"? Your are the reason why so many POC have problems with the gay community. Boy, if you said that shit to me you'd be dead on the spot.

R74, Which is why they have her on Saturday mornings????

And which black politicians would that be R122? Membership wise, the Nation of Islam is a relatively small organization. Contrary to what the right wing media would have you think. There are relatively small numbers of Muslims converted and otherwise in the United States. Christianity is still the dominant faith.

r121, If He was a white person who has said half the fucked up shit he has said you likely would consider him a bad person. Hypocrisy of some people knows no bounds

r127, The KKK is a relatively small organization despite what the mass media would have you think too. What's your point?

[quote] —Fuck I hate the left

Right wing and Russian trolls generally do.

DL logic is holding black people responsible for Prop 8, even when they are a minority in California less than the actual white people who voted for Prop 8. Of course that white majority doesn't reflect on white people in general in anyway.

Just like white people (including 53% of white women) are responsible for Trump. But white people as community are never labelled homophobic. The fact is, going by the election results, the vast majority of white people are deplorables. Of the random white people I work with or meet on the street, I have to assume they're Trump supporters until they prove they're not. Numbers don't lie.

I would LOVE to see MSNBC Joy Reid confront Ex-blogger Joy Reid when Ex-blogger goes, "Oh, oh, oh. I was hacked!" You just know that MSNBC Joy Reid would rake Ex-blogger Joy Reid over the coals.

I am tired of how many African Americans are excused for their homophobia, racism and anti semitism.

Examples, r133?

r133, It isn't just African Americans. Also Muslims and liberal white people.

[quote]Also Louis Farrakhan is not a bad person.

He is the absolute worse, anybody who still defends him is either brain dead or a racist right winger.

There's nothing here, trolls. Back to fapping to your Orange Leader.

R134 Start with Sharpton, Jackson, Ellison, Farrakhan. I'm sure you can add more if you really think about it.

this is kind of what I'm talking about r127. again, not an indictment of all black politicians. A curiosity about why SOME black politicians want this guy's endorsement or give him theirs.

Oh and Wright R134.

Well Kim Kardashian apparently doesn't have a problem with Farrakhan either. Because she actually went to his house in Chicago and took a picture with him. And she's a mainstream entertainment figure.

So now what.

[quote]Boy, if you said that shit to me you'd be dead on the spot.

Violence is the typical response of “liberals” when confronted with reality.

R97 Fine. Point taken.

But in what way does that disprove what I typed about Hollywood Street King? If your point was that there are many bigoted sites on the internets, well, duh. That wasn't the issue. The person I was addressing said that he did not know black women to be homophobes.

In an attempt to disabuse him of that, I suggested a site which proves otherwise.

If while on a site other than DL, someone were to state that "I do not know gay men to be openly hostile to women," I would naturally direct him here.

I see you have a bad case of "Well they do it TOO-ism.)

Sorry, just because you are black doesn't mean you can get away with racism, anti semitism, homophobia, misogyny ...

Joy Reid, I give the benefit of a doubt, she's too smart to go down that road ... I think.

R144

Smart isn’t a word I would use to describe Joy.

Yes R129 and most whites don’t belong to the KKK and most black people don’t belong to The Nation of Islam. My point was that Farrakhan has a small following.

R128 if Farrakhan were a white and he reserved his bigotry for minorities. He could be president.

R138 I don’t recall Sharpton, Jackson or Farrakhan being elected or appointed to any public office.

oh jesus fuck, r142, how many guns do you own? and how often have you voted for the gun nut candidate? please lecture everyone again about the horrors of liberal violence.

R142, when faced with the reality of white supremacism - the only response is death. Milo is lucky he escaped with his life on Saturday. If I was at that pub I would have taken out my Glock and shot him dead and any cop who would try to stop me would be dead as well.

Examples, r144?

R144 And its okay for whites to get away with shit as they have for centuries?

You do know our current president is TRUMP right? Please go look him up. He's getting away with everything. Just as white people do all the time. So please save the oh, blacks shouldn't be excused shit for someone else. We never get away with anything hardly.

Please go check history. It's not kind to white people.

R144 the Republican Party runs on nothing but racism, homophobia and misogyny. But no if you’re black your chances of pulling the same stunts that Republicans pull and getting away with it, are slim to none.

Most.White.People.Voted.Trump.

The end!

[quote] I don’t recall Sharpton, Jackson or Farrakhan being elected or appointed to any public office.

R146 R133's original post was about African Americans being excused for their homophobia, racism and anti semitism. R134 requested examples. You are deflecting to the irrelevant rather than focusing on the subject.

The wingnuts are coming after Joy, I see.

Because god knows they can't defend fuck-all in Trumplandia right now.

*long sigh*

Yeah I'm sure her homophobic statements are out there somewhere archived with Michelle Obama's "whitey" tape.

R107 I would like to remind you that just days ago DL underwent some sort of reboot/clearing of all history. Most of us lost posting privileges as our visit history reset to zero visits. I only speak for myself, but I just regained my ability to post 2 hours ago(and may I add, I was elated!)

So it's really not that weird that others in this thread may have lost their history as well.

it's not about who gets to get away with shit (okay it is somewhat). but it is really an honest curiosity. why do modern, intelligent, successful blacks want to have anything to do with Farrakhan, those that do. why is that?

This thread has really turned into a mass shit storm.

Oh boy.

[quote]Now I understand her vendetta against certain gay leftists such as [bold]Glenn Greenwald[/bold].

[bold]??????[/bold]

Did you just call Glenn "Racist" Greenwald a gay leftist ???

[bold]A gay leaning man does not call Mexicans wetbacks because he is pissed that they voted for Hillary. [/bold]

[bold]A gay leaning man does not vote for Trump in the general elections. [/bold]

[bold]A gay leaning man does not call the Democratic nominee a "bitch" and a "fucker."[/bold]

[quote]And she's a mainstream entertainment figure.

no, she isn't - as much as they like to push her

and let's start by stipulating that Trump sucks in every possible way, and Joy Reid is awesome. But Farrakahn is not awesome. why does anyone who has a reputation give a shit about him, still?

Glenn Greenwald is a leftist

[quote]Now I understand her vendetta against certain gay leftists such as Glenn Greenwald.

You misspelled "3-Ruble Russian Prostitute".

You're welcome.

"if Farrakhan were a white and he reserved his bigotry for minorities. He could be president."

He already does reserve his bigotry for minorities and he hasn't done too shabby

"I don’t recall Sharpton, Jackson or Farrakhan being elected or appointed to any public office."

No. but they sure do get their racist asses kissed by the media

R161 fuck you, asshole. Seriously. You're no better than a roy cohn with that red baiting bullshit.

Who gives a fuck what people who don't like Farrakhan thinks about him? So what? Even Oprah Winfrey went to Farrakhans March back in the 90s. We only distance ourselves from him publicly if it hurts our careers. Privately we fully support him. Just as I'm sure the Obamas still privately support the pastor Wright.

If whites can support TRUMP. Then blacks can support whoever we want as well.

Fuck off.

nobody is gonna address this thing. nobody is going to actually address this weirdness. people are truly cowards.

The people defending her clearly did not read the article. She's not denying writing it, just that the stuff was taken out of context. how you can contextualize "gay en recruit kids" into something non-homophobic, is beyond me.

R164 You're a moron. Completely. Get off the gay board, ASSHOLE.

[quote]Glenn Greenwald is a leftist

NO he is right wing through and through, but ashamed to accept it.

why do you like him r164

nope he is a crazy leftist and says what all the leftists are saying now

[quote] The people defending her clearly did not read the article. She's not denying writing it, just that the stuff was taken out of context.

She says the posts in question were FABRICATED. Do you know what the word fabricated means? She is absolutely denying that she wrote it.

R152 you’re accusing me of deflecting from what exactly. They Farrakhan, Sharpton commentary was nothing but deflection. Sharpton and Jackson were held accountable and suffered the consequences for their choices. Just like any number of controversial whites, including the current attorney general. Farrakhan has never had enough of a mainstream following to even be worth discussing. The idea that blacks have been given a free pass and elevated in way that whites have not, is absurd. How long did Van Jones serve in the Obama Administration?

r167, No, he's a far leftist who supported Bernie Sanders. He wasn't gonna support Hillary who screwed over the working class several times in the 90s and locked millions of black folks up.

Oh sweet black jesus, r171. just answer the fucking question. is Farrakhan a force for good in this country or not. either choice, why?

Are we giving Joy a pass? Just trying to update my Dayfinder.

R173 that’s an absolutely idiotic question.

[quote][R161] fuck you, asshole. Seriously. You're no better than a roy cohn with that red baiting bullshit.

Oh honey. Fuck [bold]ME?[/bold] Fuck [bold]YOU[/bold].

Go read Greenwald's Twitter feed for 2016 and get back to us.

Sometimes somebody with Putin's cum dripping from his chin is, in fact, a Russian prostitute.

Which makes me wonder what you're doing here.

why, r175?

Remember the good old days when DL wasn't a cesspool of racism and alt-right bullshit? I was hoping that Muriel's new tags would clean up some of this garbage, but apparently not.

in the meantime, a beegees break, just cause.

[quote] is Farrakhan a force for good in this country or not. either choice, why?

This is a thread about Joy Reid, not Farrakhan. If you want to talk about Farrakhan, why don't you start your own fucking thread?

I don't remember those good days, r178. DL has alwasys been infested with diseased, racist fags.

it has shifted r180. there's a lot going on in this thread. now beegees.

[quote] it has shifted [R180]. there's a lot going on in this thread

It has only shifted because you've posted about Farrakhan about 10 times in this thread.

she super leftie. cant be her. i adore her. one of the best on tv

we with u girl !!!!

If it is true that she asked the FBI to investigate, that says a lot.

I am honestly curious about the whole farrakhan thing R183. Joy Reid is awesome and I don't think she's homophobic. Farrakhan is another thing.

LOVE JOY

SHE AWESOME

SHE LEFT ALL THE WAY AND IS KOOL

and I did not start the Farrakhan thing. it came up, and I am still curious about it.

R181, as most of the regulars have already deduced, is the "I hope all old white racist fags die" troll. She is the one who threatens death in nearly every post(by her knife or by her Glock.)

She is also the Farrakhan/Rev Wright defender. Another DL just last week posted that she knows who she is, and if she doesn't cool it with the death threats and "fag" usage, she will reveal what she knows. The troll lives in a Chicago project which explains her fondness for Farrakhan and Wright.

Please F&F her. I hold hope that some day she will finally be permanently banned.

The only thing you’re curious about, R186, is how you can derail the thread with bullshit.

All the colored girls whose arms too short to box with God hate the fags because dey takes dere mens!

fine, what do you want to discuss r190?

R189 are you on drugs?

maybe weather girls can bring us together.

[quote]If those were hackers, they did a damn good job making it believable.

But they didn't.

It's just alleged screencaps of parts of sentences here and there, no links and no pics of the entire post with the offending part in context. Nothing shows these screen grabs were even from the archive.

When a whole paragraph is shown, the tone of the underlined homophobic part doesn't jibe with the rest of the post. It's often parenthetical, too, and the justification of the right margin is sketchy in at least one of those screen grabs, as though text was added.

Some of it's not even homophobic. "Tom Cruise don't sue me" or "keeping it in the closet" are out of context and could mean anything. Looks like someone mixed in real noncontextual snippets with faked ones to try to give the accusation some weight.

But anyway, you guys need to stop acting like a jpg of five words is "really convincing."

R189, I really think it's a troll pretending to be a homophobic woman. The real homophobes we get aren't so OTT.

But a ban would be nice, yes.

Please take her off the air.

You think R196! It’s rather obvious.

[quote]Just like white people (including 53% of white women) are responsible for Trump. ... Of the random white people I work with or meet on the street, I have to assume they're Trump supporters until they prove they're not. Numbers don't lie.

Yeah, but you do.

Only 65% of whites of voting age even voted. Of them, 58% voted Trump. That equals about 36.3% of all US whites voting for Trump, or one third. Not "most" like you claim, and not even half.

Tell that to the guys who insist it's some woman from LSA, r198.

[quote]And its okay for whites to get away with shit as they have for centuries?

You realize whataboutism is the lowest form of argumentation.

Farrakhan, Ellison, Mallory, Sarsour deserve all the criticism thrown at them. If you make judgments along racial lines and not opinion you are the worst case of racist scum, whether you are black or white.

she is very fun

if she did say em (dont thin she did) it was in un pc sarcasm and jus to be wild....

[quote]She says the posts in question were FABRICATED. Do you know what the word fabricated means? She is absolutely denying that she wrote it.

Of course she's denying it. What else is she going to do? *roll eyes*

Bitch has been caught red-handed as the vile, nasty piece of shit that she is, all the while trying to hide behind a liberal facade to earn a buck and be held up as some beacon of progress. She's obviously as fake as they come.

R203, I can even smell your Vodka hangover stench through the keyboard.

Tell me what time is it in Moscow now?

[quote]r167, No, he's a far leftist who supported Bernie Sanders. He wasn't gonna support Hillary who screwed over the working class several times in the 90s and locked millions of black folks up.

You forgot the pedophile ring she and Bill were running out of a Pizza place basement and the Americans she killed in Benghazi. And how many were killed by the uranium she sold to Russia...

I would hope that Joy didn't write that but would not be shocked if she did. But people evolve. Remember the amount of vitriol against gays even as late as 2004? I can forgive her but she needs to own up to it and then move on.

As for Glenn Greenwald, he can go fuck himself. I tried listening to the Intercept podcast a few times but nearly threw my phone in disgust. The amount of water they carry for Russia and Putin is appauling.

[quote]Of course she's denying it. What else is she going to do? *roll eyes*

She didn't deny the first controversy. So if she's denying this one, there is a chance she's telling the truth.

Put your knives down.

I'm sure you can, r204. I'm sure you can. Nice job. How's Soros rewarding you?

[quote]She didn't deny the first controversy. So if she's denying this one, there is a chance she's telling the truth.

She was denying it the first time because she could get away with it. She knows that she can't get away with it this time around, so she's forced to deny it.

The Sean Hannity news really has right wingers on the war path.

So absolutely transparent!

You’re a fool if you fall for it.

That's your opinion, R210. I am wary of people presenting their theories as fact.

[quote]How's Soros rewarding you?

You're barking up the wrong tree R209, I am not that simple minded.

You're projecting!

R193 I do not understand what you mean? Why do you think I am compromised by drugs or drink?

Are you not acquainted with the "I hope all old racist fags die of AIDS troll?"

And I never said that she is from LSA. The DLer who knows her said that she has been banned from DListed, Celebitchy and some lesbian site. Apparently, just like D a v I d a R o c h e l l e, her syntax and style is easily recognizable from site to site.

Joy Reid is member of the Farakahn cult!

R215 is a member of the lazy and stupid troll cult

A most useful thread for weeding out the Homonazis.

[quote]What a hateful bitch.

What a beautiful example of projection.

The racist pieces of shit on this site are absolutely pathetic. I believe Joy. Let's see what the FBI has to say

Up until about 5 months ago Joy was very vocal about calling anyone who drew attention to Russian interference in US elections a tin foil hat wearer. She aligned herself with every crackpot collusion denier. Now all of a sudden with overwhelming evidence Johnny come lately Joy is totes on board the GOP/Russian collusion train. So I do not take her all that seriously.

Why is this surfacing now? Hannity? She's a very effective foil to counter the real fake news that is shown on Fox every damn day. MSNBC isn't going to take her off the air. Look at how Little KellyAnnE had a meltdown and attacked Dana Bash for asking about her husband's tweets that actually state FACTS about this presidency. This is what they DO. Attack the messengers. BTW, did any of you watch the piece on how Peele was able to create a false video of Obama saying vile things? This sounds like a fifth rate attempt at best to try and damage her credibility.

That is absolutely false, r220. Anyone who actually watches her show knows that. And knows which side she's on. Try harder or go home, troll.

R220, Geez you are such a fucking liar, this is absolutely not true!

blocked

[quote] Anyone who actually watches her show knows that. And knows which side she's on.

Joy was hired to fill the empty hole in the schedule when Ed Schultz was dumped. Before singing onto MSNBC he ran a minor radio show as a lesser Limbaugh. As long as he got this new paycheck he was loudly hard left. When the gravy train ended he very smoothly went to work for Russia Today's English broadcast and pushes their agenda as strongly as he did at MSNBC. Joy is likewise an actress. Whatever sort of script her producers hand her is what she fully supports. She needs the job.

R189 and other racist, AIDS-INFECTED fags of its ilk would like DL to become its own little fag Stormfront.

That's pure speculation R224, you don't have any proof for this.

Bye, Felicia!

She went after Rachel Maddow. Wonder how Rachel feels. No wonder she's denying authoring these.

[quote]Up until about 5 months ago Joy was very vocal about calling anyone who drew attention to Russian interference in US elections a tin foil hat wearer.

Nope.

[quote]She went after Rachel Maddow.

And nope again.

Natasha and Oleg are batting 1000 tonight. Next time try backing up your horseshit disinformation with facts.

I refuse to watch Joy Reid. All you should as well.

Currently if you search for "Joy Reid" in google news, you'll see that only right and far-right websites are reporting Joy Reid's latest issue with alleged homophobia. (National Review, Twitchy, Brtbart News, etc.)

The only exception would be Mediaite.com which broke the story and sent questions to Reid about her defunct blog. That website was founded by Dan Abrams, and it does not appear to be labeled as mostly conservative or liberal-leaning.

But the conservative websites are running with the story. Here are the themes you will find in the articles AND the comment sections to their articles.

[quote] Right-wing crocodile tears over gays being maligned by a leftist.

[quote] Who Knew? Joy is a Republican! ('cause she's a gay-hater or something.)

[quote] Hypocrisy of the Left, who "love" gays, but secretly hate them. Let's eat popcorn and watch them devour their own.

So far, mainstream and liberal media websites are not even reporting the fact that she reported the hacking of her website to the FBI.

[quote]I refuse to watch Joy Reid. All you should as well.

We do.

"Liberals don't care about gay people, it's 2015. Where have you guys been the past few years? please. She'll be fine."

But freepers like you LOVE gays, right?

r233, No, but if she had been maligning any other group all liberals would not all either ignore or defend this.

Kirsten Gillibrand @ 234 if you don’t understand that this is another right wing hit job (probably retaliation for the Hannity news), then God help you.

More right wing divide and conquer bullshit.

You’re a fool if you fall for it!

I couldn't find anything about it on her Twitter page yesterday, R231.

[quote] She's just a gorilla taught how to talk.

*bloop bloop bleep* Knuckle-dragging basement trolling 4 channer/Redditor in Cheetos-stained underwear reporting for duty. *bleep bleep bleep!*

Liberals need to close ranks, unite and stay focused on crushing right wing conservatives.

I am tired of listening to the Farrakhan shit. He had Malcolm X murdered when Malcolm X left the black Muslims because their leader, Muhammed Elijah (or something like that) was having sex with underage girls. They wanted Malcolm X to rationalize that the leader had so much pressure on him it was OK. But Malcolm left and found true Islam and started preaching white and blacks have to learn to live together not apart (the Black Muslims wanted their own black state) as well as all religions. And they murdered him. His daughter decades later tried to take a hit out on Farrakhan but Farrakhan did a photo op with AL Sharpton , Jesse Jackson and her mom, Betty Shabazz, stating there was no attempted hit because there was no reason for anyone to want him dead. Shabazz saved her daughter from jail and the other three saved Farrakhan from any more speculation about his role in Malcolm's murder. He is a fucking shit. These rappers throw names of these people around and have no idea what they stood for. Read Malcolm's book. He would have problems with the lyrics about women, the break up of the family, and not going to school. He would feel like the rap culture was forced on them due to poverty and discrimination and they accepted it and did not fight it. He felt that way about the "Zoot Suit" culture in the 40s and the straightening of black hair. He was the original "black is beautiful" and knew the most rebellious act blacks could do was get an education. He would be horrified that for two decades rap has pushed the "only Uncle Tom's get educated". Do not mix him up with the previously mentioned ass holes and really, you need to read the book.

Bajour

Internet Archive is denying that any hacking took place:

"When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

"We let Reid’s lawyers know that the information provided was not sufficient for us to verify claims of manipulation. Consequently, and due to Reid’s being a journalist (a very high-profile one, at that) and the journalistic nature of the blog archives, we declined to take down the archives. We were clear that we would welcome and consider any further information that they could provide us to support their claims."

She really hates the gays!

Five months ago, Joy's lawyers were threatening Internet Archive.

It appears Reid could shoot a gay on 5th Avenue (a la Trump) and MSNBC would do nothing about it because

[quote]....nobody embodies the newly competitive world of weekend cable news than MSNBC's Joy Reid, whose AM Joy just finished the first quarter of 2018 with the highest quarterly ratings in 10 a.m. to noon time slot in MSNBC's history. With an average total audience of 1.287 million, AM Joy easily outpaced CNN (838,000) for the quarter, the third straight with a total audience of more than a million viewers. Among viewers 25-54, the demographic coveted by advertisers, AM Joy took its first victory over CNN, with 265,000 viewers to CNN's 244,000.

If you wrote that stuff, Joy, just fess up. Nobody's going to fire you.

r157 Glenn never did those things, Joy.

Glenn Greenwald? The man who hates Mueller's investigation? Is that the person someone is going on about here?

[quote]NO he is right wing through and through, but ashamed to accept it.

Glenn consitently shills for Bernie, Corbyn, and Dilma Rousseff -- three leaders who are far to the left of Obama and Hillary. His husband is affiliated to a small far-left party called Socialism and Liberty Party. He defends nationalizing inefficient private companies and on his Twitter account, frequently endorses the trans cause, anti-interventionism, and Palestinian activism.

Can anyone cite me another right-wing who looks remotely like that?

Team Joy.

[quote] r43 You've not read anything she said, huh?

[quote] Polls showed it was also more Black women than Black men opposing gay marriage there.

[quote] Internet Archive is denying that any hacking took place: "When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities. She really hates the gays!

[quote] Five months ago, Joy's lawyers were threatening Internet Archive.

[quote] r157 Glenn never did those things, Joy.

[quote] Glenn consitently shills for Bernie, Corbyn, and Dilma Rousseff -- three leaders who are far to the left of Obama and Hillary. His husband is affiliated to a small far-left party called Socialism and Liberty Party. He defends nationalizing inefficient private companies and on his Twitter account, frequently endorses the trans cause, anti-interventionism, and Palestinian activism. Can anyone cite me another right-wing who looks remotely like that?

Prop 8 Myths

Certainly, the No on 8 folks might have done a better job of outreach to California’s black and Latino communities. But the notion that Prop 8 passed because of the Obama turnout surge is silly. Exit polls suggest that first-time voters — the vast majority of whom were driven to turn out by Obama (he won 83 percent [!] of their votes) — voted against Prop 8 by a 62-38 margin. More experienced voters voted for the measure 56-44, however, providing for its passage.

Now, it’s true that if new voters had voted against Prop 8 at the same rates that they voted for Obama, the measure probably would have failed. But that does not mean that the new voters were harmful on balance — they were helpful on balance. If California’s electorate had been the same as it was in 2004, Prop 8 would have passed by a wider margin.

Furthermore, it would be premature to say that new Latino and black voters were responsible for Prop 8’s passage. Latinos aged 18-29 (not strictly the same as ‘new’ voters, but the closest available proxy) voted against Prop 8 by a 59-41 margin. These figures are not available for young black voters, but it would surprise me if their votes weren’t fairly close to the 50-50 mark.

At the end of the day, Prop 8’s passage was more a generational matter than a racial one. If nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a point or two. It appears that the generational splits may be larger within minority communities than among whites, although the data on this is sketchy.

r248 Um, nothing in that text refutes the fact that Blacks voted disproportionally for Prop 8 - all it shows is that the measure would still have passed if fewer Blacks and Latinos had voted. And by the way, polls still show that the situation hasn't changed - that the average Black person is as pro-gay as the average White Republican. Also, notice how the author, when trying to poke at the narrative that non-whites are disproportionately homophobic, only cites data from Young Latinos - apparently he couldn't bring up any group of Black people who voted mostly pro-gay.

Also, I hate this idea that when non-White people vote anti-gay, it's merely due to gay failure to reach out to them (to us, I could maybe say, as I'm Latino). That certain groups are highly homophobic is not our fault.

If White gays voted for a measure banning Black people from marrying, what do you think the media would blame - Black failure to reach out to White gays, or White gay racism?

I hope some 👶🏿 giver her aids

[quote] if you search for "Joy Reid" in google news, you'll see that only right and far-right websites are reporting Joy Reid's latest issue with alleged homophobia.

Or to put it another way, the liberal and progressive supposedly 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘰 𝘱𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘦𝘣𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘴 are refusing to cover the story of an extremely hypocritical ally who has been caught.

r251 Precisely. If pro-Dem and gay websites are embargoing that story, then that's an indictment of theirs, not of the people who are covering it. It's proof of how much groupthink and tribalism there is in progressive publications.

And yeah yeah, I know right-wing outlets are the same, that if this was their guy, they wouldn't cover it, etc. But why would I care about this right now? If conservatives don't care about homofobia, then that means I shouldn't? I'm not going to excuse a supposed liberal for calling men like me pedos and child recruiters only because some hypothetical right-wing dude would get conservative support if he had done the same.

Plus, it's untrue that only right-wing sources have acknowledged the story.

[quote] [R248] Um, nothing in that text refutes the fact that Blacks voted disproportionally for Prop 8 - all it shows is that the measure would still have passed if fewer Blacks and Latinos had voted. And by the way, polls still show that the situation hasn't changed - that the average Black person is as pro-gay as the average White Republican. Also, notice how the author, when trying to poke at the narrative that non-whites are disproportionately homophobic, only cites data from Young Latinos - apparently he couldn't bring up any group of Black people who voted mostly pro-gay. Also, I hate this idea that when non-White people vote anti-gay, it's merely due to gay failure to reach out to them (to us, I could maybe say, as I'm Latino). That certain groups are highly homophobic is not our fault. If White gays voted for a measure banning Black people from marrying, what do you think the media would blame - Black failure to reach out to White gays, or White gay racism?

But an analysis of precinct-level voting data on Prop. 8 from Alameda, Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego and San Francisco counties, which are home to nearly two-thirds of California's black voters, suggested that African American support for Prop. 8 was more likely about 58 percent.

That support among blacks is still well above the 52 percent Prop. 8 received from all voters in the Nov. 4 election. Much of that can be attributed to the strong religious tradition in the black community, where 57 percent of African American voters attend church at least once a week, compared with 42 percent of Californians overall.

"The study debunks the myth that African Americans overwhelmingly and disproportionately supported Proposition 8," Andrea Shorter, director of And Marriage for All, said in a statement. "But we clearly have work to do with, within and for African American communities, particularly the black church."

Religious voters were among the leaders in the pro-Prop. 8 efforts, with 70 percent of weekly churchgoers backing the same-sex marriage ban. Among voters who hardly ever attended religious services, only 30 percent voted for Prop. 8.

1.) The 70 percent figure for black support of Prop 8 is wildly overblown, and in conflict with all the other polling done. The study concludes that 58 percent is a more likely number. To put that in context, the study also concludes that 59 percent of Latinos supported prop 8. That isn't one-up-manship--it just means we were about the same.

2.) Black people almost certainly did not account for 10 percent of the voters on Prop 8, they accounted for seven percent

3.) 58 percent is still higher than the 52 percent for the state, as a whole, but that difference is almost entirely accounted for by the fact that no ethnic group in California is as religiously devout as (as measured by church attendance) African-Americans.

4.) Among those who attended church weekly, African-Americans were support for Prop 8 was lower than amongst any other ethnic group.

The faultiness of exit polling is well known. But when it comes to blacks, we believe the worse and ask questions, uhm, like never.

Look, my fight is clear. Homophobia is bad for my community. I support gay marriage because I believe it is a moral imperative, and the marker of a just society. I support it because, as a black man, I have seen first-hand the value of all kinds of family. In other words, it's in my interest. It's in my son's interest. It's a part of a world, that I hope to live in. But frankly, I have no use for people--gay, straight, white, red, rich, poor--who feel like black people "owe them." I have no use for people who like to trot out their history of supporting "black causes." I have no use for people who want to compare gay racism with black homophobia. With friends like those...

There are people in my business who took to the highest hills to decry the betrayal of black Californians, and to this day, are giddily noting that blacks sunk marriage equality in California, who foist the failure of marriage equality on seven percent of the electorate . I will not speculate on their motives. But let's see how loudly they address this study. Let's see how much ink we see spilled revisiting those assumptions. Or will it be on to the next calamity, where the blacks--or the Arabs, or the Latinos--can be trotted out and blamed for the failings of others. For the failings of us all.

r253/r254 TLDR.

So, Wayback is not supporting her claims of hacking, and she did it. Wow, I’m very, very disappointed.

Look at this thread. It's almost like they knew what would happen. They hack her account, change a few things and then send their bots out to do their thing. Now it has completed devolved into yet a thread in the never ending saga of blacks versus gays. So two groups in the democratic base start fighting again. This is like so transparent. How can you not see it?

Another non-conservative outlet is picking up on the story, highlighting Internet Archive's rebuttal of her hacking claims.

r257 You're an idiot. There was no hacking. MSNBC bullshit about Putin has really fucked with some people's brains.

Let's be honest, it doesn't take much for certain gays to hate people like Joy Reid, meanwhile, white conservatives can propose anti-gay legislation for years and years and demonize gays, and if they suddenly changed, those same gays would fall all over themselves to welcome those cons.

[quote] [R251] Precisely. If pro-Dem and gay websites are embargoing that story, then that's an indictment of theirs, not of the people who are covering it. It's proof of how much groupthink and tribalism there is in progressive publications.

Liberal sites aren't taking the bait from conservatives and rushing to take another liberal down. The trolls will continue pushing though. And when the liberals have successfully completed the purity purge and the right wing continues to control our government. Then what?

Divide and conquer. Don't take the bait. Again liberals need to close ranks, unite and fight conservatives, not each other.

[quote] Let's be honest, it doesn't take much for certain gays to hate people like Joy Reid, meanwhile, white conservatives can propose anti-gay legislation for years and years and demonize gays, and if they suddenly changed, those same gays would fall all over themselves to welcome those cons.

Even if the don't change; gays will still worship them and talk about how hot they are. It doesn't matter how historically anti gay the Republican platform is or how many anti gay pieces of legislation they are currently crafting.

For some reason Joy Reid really pisses them off. She had to call NBC security on a few NRA lobbyists. But they're coming for others too. Laurence, Chris, Rachel.

[quote]Liberal sites aren't taking the bait from conservatives and rushing to take another liberal down

Is someone who says gay men are predators trying to seduce teenagers a liberal?

Someone who says such things are not worth loyalty from anyone truly on the left. I'm sorry that you have internalized so much homofobia that you think Joy Reid's unhinged attacks against us are not worth punishing her for. If this was anyone else but an MSNBC pundit, I bet you'd disagree, though.

R260 you're a fucking disgrace!

[quote]Let's be honest, it doesn't take much for certain gays to hate people like Joy Reid

Yeah, she literally calls us child predators, but we only dislike her because of her color and gender! We're the villains in this story! She's the true victim here -- victim of gay racismo and misogyny!

Why, R265? You want to get into this? Let's do it.

If Reid did this, she should apologize, but don't pretend she will ever be a bigger threat to you than the people who ACTUALLY attempt to pass legislation that you're not fucking worthy of basic rights. I've been on DL loooong enough to have seen how this game is played.

[quote] With an average total audience of 1.287 million, AM Joy easily outpaced CNN (838,000) for the quarter...

So .... if I run CNN, I owe it to my shareholders to cover the story?

R266, she's despicable for having said it, but I'm not going to pretend she is a threat to gay rights. And don't act like some of you haven't engaged in racism and bigotry. I doubt you can claim you haven't and still call yourself a liberal.

The strange thing is despite the homophobia, the black church/clergy and entertainment industry is filled with gays and lesbians. Everyone knows people like The Winans, Donnie McClurkin, Shirley Caesar, Whitney, Bernice King, Luther Vandross were all family. In the community, it was also known for years that Marvin and OJ Simpson's dads were drag queens. People knew about Little Richard and what Tutti Frutti really meant. People knew about Quincy and Michael. It's an open secret that black people joked about . It's a joke now that church choir directors are all Type A fussy gays.

Hip hop has partly gay origins too. It came from banjee boys/"trade" butch guys in NYC. Homeless gay teenage black/Latinos in the inner city that were breakdancing and rapping over looped beats. This is how Wendy Williams got a career: outing the closeted black entertainers in NYC hip hop, r&b, and sometimes gospel who were playing straight to fool female audiences.

Going back to the Harlem Renaissance, black gays have been contributing to Af. Am arts, music, and literature. One of MLK's closest friends, Bayard Rustin, was a gay black man and civil rights activist.

[quote] For some reason Joy Reid really pisses them off. She had to call NBC security on a few NRA lobbyists. But they're coming for others too. Laurence, Chris, Rachel.

Its Al Franken all over again.

[quote] Is someone who says gay men are predators trying to seduce teenagers a liberal? Someone who says such things are not worth loyalty from anyone truly on the left. I'm sorry that you have internalized so much homofobia that you think Joy Reid's unhinged attacks against us are not worth punishing her for. If this was anyone else but an MSNBC pundit, I bet you'd disagree, though.

I 'm sorry that conservatives have nothing to offer average Americans. I'm sorry that they use simple minded people like you to bait liberals into devouring each other in order to win. I'm sorry that too many liberals take the bait.

[quote] If this was anyone else but an MSNBC pundit, I bet you'd disagree, though.

Careful your agenda is showing.

[quote]If Reid did this, she should apologize, but don't pretend she will ever be a bigger threat to you than the people who ACTUALLY attempt to pass legislation that you're not fucking worthy of basic rights ... she's despicable for having said it, but I'm not going to pretend she is a threat to gay rights

Um, the overwhelming majority of homophobes don't pass legislation. But since you care so much about homophobic lawmakers, you should know they only get elected because people with Joy's opinions vote for them.

[quote] And don't act like some of you haven't engaged in racism and bigotry. I doubt you can claim you haven't and still call yourself a liberal.

I'm triracial Brazilian. I have very recent African ancestry. You know nothing about me, so stop using madeup narratives to distract from the true story here. It's ridiculous that you're more outraged by cases of racism/sexism that you just made up than by virulent homophobia that happened IN REAL LIFE. Gay men are not the bad guys here. Joy is.

Also, do us a favor and kill yourself, homophobe.

[quote] The strange thing is despite the homophobia, the black church/clergy and entertainment industry is filled with gays and lesbians. Everyone knows people like The Winans, Donnie McClurkin, Shirley Caesar, Whitney, Bernice King, Luther Vandross were all family. In the community, it was also known for years that Marvin and OJ Simpson's dads were drag queens. People knew about Little Richard and what Tutti Frutti really meant. People knew about Quincy and Michael. It's an open secret that black people joked about . It's a joke now that church choir directors are all Type A fussy gays.

Is it any stranger than the hypocrisy of white evangelicals or the long list of white Republican politicians? Is it?

R272, you're a fucking idiot. When someone writes "some of you," who in the hell told you that meant YOU, shithead? You self-centered douchebag.

Keep ignoring the comments like "gorilla."

[quote]Careful your agenda is showing.

Yes, I don't like MSNBC. I don't care to hide that. I'm a Bernie Bro and MSNBC is the house of the Clinton cult and Russian national hysteria. Again, I don't care to hide any of that.

And what I said is absolutely right. If a Republican or Bernie supporter had said what she said, you'd all be eating them alive.

You're treating that unhinged homophobe with kid's gloves because you think she is on your team. But considering she thinks you all are a bunch of disgusting pedophiles, she is probably not.

[quote] One of MLK's closest friends, Bayard Rustin, was a gay black man and civil rights activist.

Rustin was more his mentor than anything as he was an activist decades before King. King dropped him when Rustin being gay became a weapon. He was a great man who deserved better than what he got.

[quote] In 1960, King and Rustin planned to stage a demonstration at the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles. Adam Clayton Powell, the Congressman from Harlem, feared the demonstrations would undermine his own power. Powell called King and told him to cancel the demonstrations, threatening to "reveal" that King and Rustin were having an affair. There was no affair, but King capitulated and Rustin resigned, forced out of the movement he had helped create.

ACTUAL Homophobes like Roy Moore aren't in the god damned Senate *specifically* due to black people. You will do anything to pretend that the anti-gay movement in this country isn't headed by white, Christian conservatives and their Republican-dominated statehouses. Pence thinks gays should be dead, but please keep think Reid is the one who is a threat. She's an idiot, but spare me the attempt to pretend she's the threat

R273, No, I guess not. I suppose there are just as many closeted white entertainers in Hollywood, and closeted religious fundies. Ted Haggard comes to mind.

I guess I just don't understand why other minorities ( black, Latino, or Asian) people would be homophobic. You would think fellow oppressed minorities would have more empathy. I wouldn't expect any empathy from a white straight conservative Republican male.

I feel black gays have it especially hard. You have to combat homophobia from the black community, and racism from the white gay community.

Hateful bitch is going down!

[quote]you're a fucking idiot. When someone writes "some of you," who in the hell told you that meant YOU, shithead? You self-centered douchebag.

Stop crying, sweetheart, your washing your make-up off and I can see your wrinkles.

[quote]Keep ignoring the comments like "gorilla."

That person is despicable. But for all we know, he was lashing out and reacting from a place of hurt, because Joy's comments are truly over the top. Are you going to pretend you've never said anything disgusting in a moment of anger at being the target of someone else's provocations? We don't know if this is something he would have said had he not been exposed to Joy's homophobia. Her comments were the cause, his was the effect. So let's not pretend that the story here is gay men being mean. She started this. This story is about her.

[quote]ACTUAL Homophobes like Roy Moore aren't in the god damned Senate *specifically* due to black people.

"Actual homophobe" as compared to whom? Joy Reid? Why is Joy not an actual homophobe? How is saying "gay men are immorally recruiting young teens" not true homophobia for God's sake?

[quote]You will do anything to pretend that the anti-gay movement in this country isn't headed by white, Christian conservatives and their Republican-dominated statehouses.

When did this become about Black people? This is about JOY. Most Black people don't probably think gay men are trying to lure their 14 year old sons into the sin of Sodom. But she does. She said so.

[quote]Pence thinks gays should be dead, but please keep think Reid is the one who is a threat. She's an idiot, but spare me the attempt to pretend she's the threat

The fact that there are much bigger homophobes doesn't mean we should put up with medium-fry ones. Some of us can walk and talk at the same time, idiot.

If you don't care that Joy says we're pedos, fine. But I care about that. It's my right to take offense at being demonized by a national pundit. Let me deal with what she said in my own way. I'm not trying to drag you into caring about anything, but don't interfere with those of us who care.

[quote] [R273], No, I guess not. I suppose there are just as many closeted white entertainers in Hollywood, and closeted religious fundies. Ted Haggard comes to mind. I guess I just don't understand why other minorities ( black, Latino, or Asian) people would be homophobic. You would think fellow oppressed minorities would have more empathy. I wouldn't expect any empathy from a white straight conservative Republican male. I feel black gays have it especially hard. You have to combat homophobia from the black community, and racism from the white gay community

Does oppression does prevent white gays from being bigots?

Do you think MSNBC will address it?

R281, WTF is wrong with you? Are you even reading this thread? Did you ask the people blaming Prop 8 on black people why they are? Did you call them out for the racism? That's who my responses are TO. You keep insisting on responding to my posts as if I'm addressing whatever nonsense you've said. I'm specifically going after the people who insist on making this about ALL black people (per usual for DL).

R281 you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked. No of us do. So other than delighting conservatives and scratching another item off their agenda. This crusade to immediately take another liberal down will accomplish what exactly?

R282, good point. POC and LGBT solidarity brought out the best genre of music: disco.

Can't we go back to simpler times?

We are all fighting on the same team.

[R281] you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked. None of us do. So other than delighting conservatives and scratching another item off their agenda. This crusade to immediately take another liberal down will accomplish what exactly? Are an of you working this hard to get Hannity of Laura Ingraham off the air?

r283 No. Unless prominent LGBT groups or people lash back against her, they will pretend nothing happened. Joy has lied numerous times on her show and was never forced to withdraw anything because her targets are safe. Unless we show we are not a safe target, nothing will happen to her.

Why are we defending someone who is a homophobe and only "likes" gays for her ratings on TV?

wow the racist right wing nutjob trolls have really invaded this place. A sad state of affairs

It’s gaining steam and there’s a lot of noise being made. She won’t survive this. Also, if she falsely filed a claim with the FBI, she’ll lose a lot more than just her MSNBC career.

Prop 8 doesn't have a damn thing to do with Joy Reid, nor the hypocrisy of posters and media who want to sweep it under the rug.

[quote]WTF is wrong with you? Are you even reading this thread?

You're so hypocritcal.

You said that Joy Reid -- one of the most prominent journalists in America -- is not a big enough threat for you to worry about.

But at the same time, you're splitting hairs because of what some anonymous DL users have posted here.

Neither Datalounge as a whole, or individual posters here, are as influential as Joy is. If you think you can look past her extreme homophobia because she's not importante enough, then you can also ignore some anonymous posts about Prop 8 that you disliked.

Wow 289, From Conservative News Today , no less. Has Conservative News Today seen the Republican Party platform, or the anti gay legislation making its way through Republican controlled legislatures.

Again, [[R281]] you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked. None of us do. So other than delighting conservatives and scratching another item off their agenda. This crusade to immediately take another liberal down will accomplish what exactly? Are an of you working this hard to get Hannity of Laura Ingraham off the air?

Again this is all no doubt retaliation for Hannity being exposed.

[quote]you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked.

1 - She has a long history with homophobia.

2 - She has already recognized some of it.

3 - Her newly unearthed posts are similar in contente and style to some of the things she said before.

4 - Wayback Machine is all but saying she lied about getting hacked.

Sounds like good enough evidence against her to me.

(Plus, why would anyone give themselves the trouble of writing acres of text to frame Joy? There are much bigger fish out there regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum.)

If you're going to defend Joy, or attack her critics, please do so from any other angle than "gay men are worse!!!"

We. Fucking. Aren't.

Joy must resign! She is the worst kind of homophobic haters!

[quote] She has a long history with homophobia.

You have a long history (in this thread) of unhinged lunacy, Even if that were true and we don't know that it is. She is allowed to evolve, Robert Byrd had a long history of white supremacist racism. But he changed and became a valuable advocate for equality.

Again, R297 you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked. None of us do. So other than delighting conservatives and scratching another item off their agenda. This crusade to immediately take another liberal down will accomplish what exactly? Are an of you working this hard to get Hannity of Laura Ingraham off the air?

Again this is all no doubt retaliation for Hannity being exposed.

Team Joy all the way. We need to unite and stay together. Enough with the alt right trolling.

She ain't perfect. Who is?

The Russian bots are tearing us apart.

Don’t let let them do it. Joy is my third favorite msnbc reporter behind Rachel and Lawrence.

Joys mom died of breast cancer when Joy was 17. Joy then went onto to graduate from Harvard.

The bots are threatened by her...she’s black, female, & smart. They want her lynched.

I don’t know what to believe anymore.

#Hannity retaliation

#laura ingraham retaliation

#youaredelusional

Some of my best friends are are fairies.

[quote]You have a long history (in this thread) of unhinged lunacy

No, I don't. I have a long history of not pretending that Democrats can't be virulent homophobes. This is not lunacy - it's common sense.

[quote]Even if that were true and we don't know that it is

The evidence is strong that it is. And it is clear that even if she fessed up, you'd still be defending her on the idiotic grounds that she's not as bad as Pence. Like I said... if you think there are bigger fish out there, and that you don't want to waste your time on Joy, that is fine. But why defend her? Why troll people who are bothered by what they read and speaking out about it? Just admit that you're a hypocrite who doesn't believe in accountability for people of your political tribe.

[quote]But he changed and became a valuable advocate for equality.

For God's sake, how has Joy shown that she's changed? What has she ever done for us? Even before this blew out, she never came across as someone who is closely allied to us.

Just being a Democrat is not enough. Plenty of homophobes vote Democrat when they think it's in their interest to do so. Are you honestly going to put people on a pedestal just for following their rational self-interest?

[quote] I don’t know what to believe anymore.

That's their goal. How many millions of people said that and sat at home on election day. They don't have to convince you but just introduce enough doubt to disillusion you.

#sean hannity retaliation

#laura ingraham retaliation

[quote]That's their goal

Only conspiracy theorists speak with this degree of certainty about things they did not witness themselves, r306.

I eat lunch with that carpet munching Maddow at least once a week. Then you have the nerve to think I wrote that stuff? You queers will believe anything.

"Joy is not important enough for me to care about her homophobia...

"But she's important enough for me to go to bat for her against people accusing her of homophobia."

If you can't spot the contradiction here, then you're a genuine imbecile and a hypocrite of the highest order.

[quote] Yes, I don't like MSNBC. I don't care to hide that. I'm a Bernie Bro and MSNBC is the house of the Clinton cult and Russian national hysteria. Again, I don't care to hide any of that.

R305 You already exposed your agenda.

R305, calm the fuck down. What the hell?

Joy is a broadcast journalist. She ain’t yo mammy. Find another tit to suck on, Joy has serious work to do. She’s fucking brilliant so let her do it.

Unless....wait...Maybe you don’t want Joy to get done some serious work?

Maybe ur trying to whip the gays into a frenzy like u did BernieBros & BLM???

I mean, ur tactics thus far have been very successful. U managed to get a lunatic reality star into the White House. With a solid fan base no less! And state news channel

The negress hates gays!

How can viewers trust her to speak on Russian hacking when she was caught faking her own hack? She'll be reminded of this incident as long as she's on the air.

She's absolutely replaceable and it's probably a good thing.

[quote]Joy is a broadcast journalist. She ain’t yo mammy. Find another tit to suck on, Joy has serious work to do. She’s fucking brilliant so let her do it.

"Fucking brilliant", lol.

This is someone who thinks Putin's Russia is communist.

Someone who's said that "Soviet Yugoslavia" was an actual country which existed and that Slovakia was a part of it.

She's completely retarded, an embarrassment for Democrats who more than proves that liberals have the same cognitive limitation as Fox-watching conservatives: that of deeply loving any loud imbecile on TV as long as he or she defends the party they vote for.

You keep going all "Yasss queen" on her. But if you ever met her when she's hanging out with her family and tried to talk to her about how much you admire her work, she would shoo your ass away out of concern that you'd try to hit on her underage son.

Nice person you decided to stan.

She’s also clearly been forgiven; she’s even slated to be honored by the LGBTQ rights organization PFLAG, which is giving her its Straight for Equality in Media award on May 9.

So go jump in in a bar of KY and meth and what u do best, racist ass fags.

Jesus the world needs to ban Russian IPs from the internet. Fucking seriously. They piss on everything!

NBC is going to make a statement about her. I don't have my hopes high for any kind of accountability or condemnation.

R314 has a RICH imagination.

Informed by racism. Most likely not even gay.

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You're a bunch of yobs.

"I'm triracial Brazilian. I have very recent African ancestry"

R272, Faggot, please! You are a racist, white, faggot who needs to get gay bashed until your fucking worthless brains are splattered on the sidewalk. Watch your back, faggot.

I wonder if the poster howling at the moon about "gay racists" will have anything to say about r321?

It’s so nice to finally see people stand up for gay rights!

Of course, nobody stood up for us when the Ts boycotted the movie Stonewall & even vandalized the Stonewall memorial.

But a Harvard educated black woman whose job is to investigate, analyze & the report the news and perhaps blogged something vaguely homophobic years ago...and then YAY GAY RIGHTS!!

Who cares if gaylings are chopping off their dicks & tits. Booooo Joy Reid for making a joke about ...that closeted gay republican whatshisname

[quote] I wonder if the poster howling at the moon about "gay racists" will have anything to say about [R321]?

[quote] The negress hates gays!

Definitely no racism here.

It's called racism, r323.

r324 You also see no homofobia in r321? I don't see you condemning it, even though all the most bigoted things said on this thread were said by that poster.

N-word is worth condemning, but "f-word, you need to get your skull bashed" isn't?

r325

R176 Work that tin hat, girl!! Clutch those pearls!!

What a freakin mess you are. You sound like a Joe McCarthy lover. Seriously, if Democrats keep calling liberals "reds", you can kiss the next two elections good-bye. Wake the fuck up.

[quote] I'm triracial Brazilian. I have very recent African ancestry

This totally sounds like an authentic description that many people would use to speak about their race/ethnicity.

[quote] Again, [R297] you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked.

Actually R298, we have her own written words so we know exactly what she said, and Internet Archive said there is no evidence of hacking. They have no reason to lie.

Joy is like the group of black women on the subway platforms of the N/R who bellow the words of Jesus and screech at any and all “Devil Homosaxuals”, it’s in her blood.

r329 It is, I have my 23andme results to prove, e também posso falar em português sempre que você quiser. Até prefiro-o ao inglês. O autocorrect do meu computador até está em português. Por isso que aparecem algumas palavras estranhas nos meus posts, como "homofobia" ao invés de "homophobia" e "contente" em vez de "content".

[quote] [R324] You also see no homofobia in [R321]? I don't see you condemning it, even though all the most bigoted things said on this thread were said by that poster. N-word is worth condemning, but "f-word, you need to get your skull bashed" isn't?

What you see is that I didn't directly address the most obvious racist and homophobic inflammatory trolls, because its not even worth the trouble. And I'm not going to attempt to try and rank the bigotry. I think its time for you to take your meds.

This reminds me a bit of the “no asians or blacks” debate. People who support those limits in personals/Grindr say it’s just being honest and you can’t help how you feel. You’re actually helping them people you’re not interested in by steering them away from silent rejection.

Joy I guess would just say she’s being honest and can’t help her bias as it’s ingrained.

I’m not a big fan of the position that we need to air biases. In the example of the Grindr ads, the hurt at being rejected because of your skin color and/or ethnicity outweighs the “help” in responding only to ads of guys who like your “type.”

I feel the same way about airing your distaste at homosexual affection and then claiming you’re transparent and admitting your flaws. Joy would jump all over someone who said “I guess this makes me racist, but seeing a jet black man kissing a blonde woman like Heidi Klum makes my stomach turn and my skin crawl.” Do we really need that kind of “honesty” in public discourse? No.

[quote] Actually [R298], we have her own written words so we know exactly what she said, and Internet Archive said there is no evidence of hacking. They have no reason to lie.

That is your opinion and their opinion. Since you addressed the first part of my post. Why don't you address the rest:

[quote] Again,R281 you have no way of knowing what Joy actually said or if she was indeed hacked. None of us do. So other than delighting conservatives and scratching another item off their agenda. This crusade to immediately take another liberal down will accomplish what exactly? Are an of you working this hard to get Hannity of Laura Ingraham off the air?

You sound like a Trump voter R335. There are facts directly in front of your face. Her words. No hacking. Those are facts. Not opinion. There’s nothing more to address in your nonsensical hysteria.

[quote] You sound like a Trump voter [R335]. There are facts directly in front of your face. Her words. No hacking. Those are facts. Not opinion. There’s nothing more to address in your nonsensical hysteria.

Take your meds. There is nothing hysterical about questioning your motives. You've spent the last few hours ranting and raving like a lunatic. Demanding that a liberal ally and current gay ally (despite whatever the truth may be about the past) be banished. Other than the right wing conservatives; whose interests does that serve? What will it accomplish. Its great retaliation for angry conservatives, angry about Hannity being exposed and Laura Ingraham being criticized. It silences a very vocal and influential liberal pundit. It silences a liberal and gay ally. Its not a win for us. Its a win for them.

No one is reading your inanity, R337.

Blocked.

WOW, I did NOT expect this!!!

[quote] No one is reading your inanity, [R337].

Um hm. Again You've spent the last few hours ranting and raving like a lunatic. Demanding that a liberal ally and current gay ally (despite whatever the truth may be about the past) be banished. Other than the right wing conservatives; whose interests does that serve? What will it accomplish. Its great retaliation for angry conservatives, angry about Hannity being exposed and Laura Ingraham being criticized. It silences a very vocal and influential liberal pundit. It silences a liberal and gay ally. Its not a win for us. Its a win for them.

Again when liberals are finished investigating and destroying each other. When liberals have completed the purity purge. Then what?

Um, the Wayback Machine did not refute Reid's story. Their post just claimed that the posts were not altered directly on their site. Was anyone even claiming that? The claim was that they were altered on the blog page. I don't quite understand the robots.txt part of it though. That works ex post facto? How? The archive already exists. I thought robots.text just stopped additional crawls of the site. Plus, if the site was already defunct as of last December, how would a script have been added? I mean, clearly it was, I just don't have the technical knowledge to know how.

Now the story is moving past just conservative websites:

New York Daily News-- "Joy Ann Reid claims homophobic blog posts were 'fabricated,' but Internet Archive denies manipulation"

BuzzFeed News-- "An Internet Nonprofit Challenged Joy Reid's Claim That Her Blog Was Hacked"

[quote]Um, the Wayback Machine did not refute Reid's story

No, they're explicitly denying. Just read the headlines at r342. Keep grasping at straws, though. Except for "RUSSIAAAAAAA" people, no one's buying it.

PFLAG's flag. I just know it!

PFLAG has rescinded its award for Joy. Dembots can't ignore the story anymore. Even JoeMyGod, the ultimate gay Dem hack, is acknowledging it, though of course he's trying to divert attention from the content of her posts and make the story about the right-wingers prematurely fêting her downfall.

[quote] PFLAG has rescinded its award for Joy. Dembots can't ignore the story anymore. Even JoeMyGod, the ultimate gay Dem hack, is acknowledging it, though of course he's trying to divert attention from the content of her posts and make the story about the right-wingers prematurely fêting her downfall.

[quote] No, they're explicitly denying. Just read the headlines at [R342]. Keep grasping at straws, though. Except for "RUSSIAAAAAAA" people, no one's buying it.

No one is buying your 50 hyper hysterical posts in this thread. You've already revealed your agenda.

[quote] Yes, I don't like MSNBC. I don't care to hide that. I'm a Bernie Bro and MSNBC is the house of the Clinton cult and Russian national hysteria. Again, I don't care to hide any of that.

Whether you're the "Bernie Bro" that you claim to be or an alt right troll disguised as a "Bernie Bro", no one is buying it.

r346/7 LOL, I don't care, Joy is getting fucked whether you agree with me or not.

Just own up to it, Joy. Denying it to avoid an apology just makes me think you still hold those bigoted views.

She said Gayle and Oprah are lesbians!

[quote] She said Gayle and Oprah are lesbians!

NY Times is late in discovering the news:

Joy Reid Blames Hackers for Anti-Gay Blog Posts, but Questions Mount

Back in November, when a series of homophobic posts on her defunct, decade-old blog resurfaced on social media, the MSNBC host Joy Reid apologized for them. But this week, when Ms. Reid was confronted with a new batch of homophobic writings from that same period, she said she had been the victim of hackers.

That claim was called into question on Tuesday, when the Internet Archive, the meticulous online record-keeping nonprofit that hosted the archived version of her site, said it had found no evidence to support her claim. Ms. Reid did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.

The latest group of alleged blog posts includes a great deal of material that might embarrass a prominent liberal figure like Ms. Reid, including expressions of disgust at the thought of homosexuality, opposition to gay marriage, claims that gay men prey on “impressionable teens” and criticism of political correctness.

“Most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing,” one post said. It later concluded: “The nature of political correctness is that gay people are allowed to say straight sex is gross but the reverse is considered to be patently homophobic.”

One of the posts also criticizes Rachel Maddow, who is now the most-watched host on MSNBC, as being “at the left-most end of the political spectrum” when it comes to gay rights. (Ms. Reid hosts a weekend morning show on MSNBC, but at the time she kept her blog active neither she nor Ms. Maddow had shows on the network.)

Ha, at least she says Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove are closet cases

sounds like she reads DL!

What kind of kompromat does Putin have on the NY Times, hmmm?

I hope madcow kicks her black cunt

Maddow should interview her, let's find out who she really is.

Hell, if somebody would isolate all the posts I made on DL, I am sure somebody could manipulate them, take them out of context and say I am a homophobe - which of course I am absolutely fucking NOT!!!

The more I read about this story the more I think this is a deliberate hit job to take down another popular anti Trump voice. Russia is probably behind this, hacking for dirt on democrats again.

[quote] The more I read about this story the more I think this is a deliberate hit job to take down another popular anti Trump voice. Russia is probably behind this, hacking for dirt on democrats again.

Can't wait to see the tricks that they have planned for the midterms and the 2020 election.

Maddow won't grill her. Maddow won't even talk about the T push and "transkids," and men participating in women's sports events.

[quote]Can't wait to see the tricks that they have planned for the midterms and the 2020 election.

Yep, I am sure this board, reddit and fb will be flooded with bots and fake accounts, pushing stories to discredit democrats.

divide and conquer

it worked in 2016 and they're going to do it again

They took away her award. LOL

If she lied (IF), then this story is bigger than just the lie. It would involve filing a false report with the FBI to cover her embarrassment and to protect her career.

That's something worthy of Donald Trump, the guy she mercilessly attacks. Although I personally support the outing of Donald Trump as a liar, what am I to make of Joy Reid potentially doing the same thing she ridicules him about on her show? So her old defunct blog may be the least of her problems IF she is lying about the hacking.

Yeah, if they are real she should have said, yeah I said stupid stuff who hasn't etc. Maybe she panicked or got bad advice?

First they came for Hillary Clinton and we just let them.

Then they came for Al Franken and we just let them.

Now they're coming for Joy Reid and we will just let them.

What progressive with a name will be next?

Just block the hysteriqueen 346, R348.

No, the things she said are career ending for a liberal broadcaster R362, and she’s knows it. Incredible she accepted awards from gay organizations. How craven can you be?

[quote] No, the things she said are career ending for a liberal broadcaster [R362], and she’s knows it. Incredible she accepted awards from gay organizations. How craven can you be?

The awards are based upon her actions in the present, not something that may of may not have happened 20 yrs ago. If her work earned the awards; why wouldn't she accept them.

[quote] No, the things she said are career ending for a liberal broadcaster [R362], and she’s knows it.

That assumes a higher level of integrity from MSNBC then I expect to see.

Lets not rule out the possibility she’s telling the truth. It’s haopened to people I follow on ig — they argue with some rightwing twat and before you know it their account is hacked and spewing racist or trump loving comments. They really are the scum of the earth. And these are just random people on ig, not semi-celebrity pundits.

[quote] That assumes a higher level of integrity from MSNBC then I expect to see.

So says the self proclaimed "Bernie Bro".

[quote] Yes, I don't like MSNBC. I don't care to hide that. I'm a Bernie Bro and MSNBC is the house of the Clinton cult and Russian national hysteria. Again, I don't care to hide any of that.

r369, You can criticize Bernie Sanders all you want but if the DNC hadn't fixed the primaries in order to secure Clinton the nomination, we wouldn't have a President Trump right now.

Remember recently how someone hacked Joy Behar and tweeted something about Pence that she didn't say and got her in trouble?

Huff Post reports this (4/24/18 9:32 pm):

[quote] MSNBC’s Joy Reid is standing by her claim that her now-defunct blog was the target of a cyber attack in which homophobic content was added to the site.

[quote] A cybersecurity expert working with Reid said in a statement to HuffPost on Tuesday that he found evidence five months ago of “suspicious activity” and that the alleged hacking was the subject of an ongoing federal investigation.

[quote] Jonathan Nichols, identified as an independent security consultant by a representative for MSNBC, said the posts in question had been “entered with suspicious formatting and time stamps.”....

[quote] A representative for Reid’s MSNBC show also told HuffPost on Monday that the alleged hacking was subject to a federal investigation. The MSNBC representative did not comment on which agency was investigating the matter when HuffPost asked. Nor did the FBI immediately respond to a request for confirmation of such an investigation.

It's the Russians!

Joy Reid Doubles Down

[quote] [R369], You can criticize Bernie Sanders all you want but if the DNC hadn't fixed the primaries in order to secure Clinton the nomination, we wouldn't have a President Trump right now. —Most people realized that a long time back.

Take your meds! I didn't criticize Bernie.

Inconvenient Fact for many that the African American community has a very large segment of homophobes and Joy Reid is one of them. Time for Joy Reid to resign from MSNBC.

[quote]The awards are based upon her actions in the present, not something that may of may not have happened 20 yrs ago. If her work earned the awards; why wouldn't she accept them.

What actions did she take on our behalf that desserve na award?

Shilling for establishment Dems against progressive candidates is not inherently a pro-gay act, FYI.

That was not me, retard at r369.

I'm the one who posted the quote you're pulling now, dumbass.

I bet r368 never happened.

Internet Archive is clear that no hacking took place. That's the end of it.

It would be a totally different story if she had just said "yes I typed some stupid things I regret. That's why I closed the blog down. I didn't want anyone to justify their homophobia on things I might have written. I'm truly sorry and I pledge to do my best to show you I've changed" Some shit like that and I would be totally over it. Instead she makes up these "like a cloth" hacking bullshit stories.

I don't think "gay men are seducing impressionable teens!" is something you can just take back with no consequences.

[quote] #youaredelusional

[quote] Some of my best friends are are fairies.

[quote] I eat lunch with that carpet munching Maddow at least once a week. Then you have the nerve to think I wrote that stuff? You queers will believe anything.

[quote] They took away her award. LOL

[quote] It would be a totally different story if she had just said "yes I typed some stupid things I regret. That's why I closed the blog down. I didn't want anyone to justify their homophobia on things I might have written. I'm truly sorry and I pledge to do my best to show you I've changed" Some shit like that and I would be totally over it. Instead she makes up these "like a cloth" hacking bullshit stories.

It would be a different story if you weren't a troll.

PFLAG now understands the truth, that Joy has always been a homophobe and has rescinded an award to her.

[quote] I don't think "gay men are seducing impressionable teens!" is something you can just take back with no consequences.

And you didn't express that opinion in your first 60 hysterical posts, or are you pretending to be someone other than the "Bernie Bro" that you previously pretending to be?

Joy's attempt to pretend none of this is happening just makes her sound even fishier. If you were a progressive whom "Russian bots" just fraudulently made out to be some unhinged, extreme homophobe, would you address it or would you just keep mum and hope it would all go away?

Havent seen much of her posts - what I DO KNOW is that she is a FIERCE ALLY of the LGBT community.

Also as a gay Floridian she never said anything that I haven’t ranted and raved about re Charlie Closet Queen Crist myself. His marriage was a sham when he was hoping for a VP slot. He was a total disgrace and hiding in the closet about the time she was calling him out. She was doing what we neeeded Journlists to do truth be told.

All of you fuking Bots and trolls can just fkoff and die now.

[quote]And you didn't express that opinion in your first 60 hysterical posts, or are you pretending to be someone other than the "Bernie Bro" that you previously pretending to be?

No, I didn't. My "60 hysterical posts" were addressed AGAINST the person who made that comment and those people idiotically defending her, including you, you fucking retard.

[quote]Havent seen much of her posts - what I DO KNOW is that she is a FIERCE ALLY of the LGBT community.

Like... how? What did she make for us to be a fierce ally of ours?

[quote] Like... how? What did she make for us to be a fierce ally of ours?

Careful R389, your English is slipping.

Well, I told you I'm originally from Brazil......

I believe Joy. Joy Reid has been declared a target by the Alt Right/White Nationalist crowd. They would do the same stuff with her they with the DNC - weaponize old remarks that she removed a decade ago.

I knew Joy in Miami a decade ago - she was supportive progressive then, down with multiculturalism, just smart and thoughtful thinker. She is one of the most popular MSNBC anchors- she is the Alt-White’s target. Time to wakeup DL’ers dont do the haters biding.

Joy has been defending homophobes like this for years. Why would anyone support Joy Reid and homophobia?

When la David Johnson was killed a fake facebook post that was supposedly written by his wife that was calling the congresswoman who was with her during trumps call a liar made the rounds.

r392 Just because someone has enemies doesn't mean he or she is being framed when bad stuff about them comes out, you dumb ass conspiracy theorist. Bernie, Trump, Glenn Greenwald - all have influential enemies, yet if this story was about any one of them, you would be eating it up.

If anyone should be a target of alt-right hacking, it would be Rachel Maddow. Rachel is a much bigger star. Her raving lunacy about Russia far outclasses Joy's. Before this blew out, Joy was dusty and kind of forgotten. She is probably thankful about this controversy coming up now.

"That butch dyke, now I'm far outdoing her on Google Trends!!!", Reid is thinking.

Joy always would make fun of, and demean gay men behind their backs.

A cybersecurity expert working with Reid said in a statement to HuffPost on Tuesday that he found evidence five months ago of “suspicious activity” and that the alleged hacking was the subject of an ongoing federal investigation.

The "cybersecurity expert" locked his account and proceeded to delete his tweets. Many have been archived, however, He looks like a Millennial douchebro. He's totally bonkers and a narcissist with a gradiosity complex who brags on Twitter about changing the course of Middle East wars if he chooses to.

He kind of reminds me of that crackpot doctor who wrote that glowing report on Trump's health.

She is not friend of homosexuals . Time to say good bye to anti gay Joy.

She'll probably survive this but even if it's from2006, I can't be a fan anymore. Such a shame, she was the best.

It's not 2006, it's 2007-2009.

R314 Don't forget that she famously stated that MS 13 were a little known group of little importance.

R315 Dear Ms "I hope all you white racist fags die of AIDS" troll from Chicago:

The award from PFLAG has been rescinded. Now go play in some traffic you evil homophobic bigot.

I think the thing which is the most disturbing to me now is the sizable group of defenders on Twitter who are saying, "Don't fall for this! Don't you know that the right wing nut jobs have put this out there because she is so important to the resist movement?"

How is she so important to the progressive movement if she believestwo men kissing is gross, and she agreed with Tim Hardaway? I am in the sports business, and when the Hardaway story broke all those years ago, even the most Neanderthal flag waving Deplorable jocks immediately shunned him. I mean, if a Gronkowski type meat head knows what Hardaway said was poison and career suicide, how could a supposedly brilliant progressive go along with it?

And exactly why are the resist proponents on Twitter okay with what she did? I have to ask the question, "Are THEY themselves secretly okay with it as long as she helps push Trump out?" Maybe they are a bit less progressive than they think.

I just spent almost 30 minutes reading the PFLAG twitter page comments re: rescinding the award.

And I can see what this is turning into, both here, and on Twitter. The positive comments are outweighing the negative comments at a 1:10 ratio right now; but the disturbing element is that, like here at DL, the issue is split by racial identity.

The black tweeters are furious with PFLAG and they are all declaring this to be a racist act. They did not go quite as far as our racist bi female troll, but they were equally as accusatory.

I understand that black L&G people put their racial identity above their sexual orientation identity, but does that have to blind them to what is as clear as the nose on one's face? How can a rational person believe that this is racially motivated? What point would that serve?

I fear things are about to get ugly.

They're saying that a white person who had unverified accusations against them wouldn't get their award taken away at such an early stage before anything was proven.

You, on the other hand, are spouting off about how "those blacks always behave in this way because of their race," which sounds a hell of a lot more like race-baiting than anything I've seen from black people tweeting about this.

[quote]You can criticize Bernie Sanders all you want but if the DNC hadn't fixed the primaries

The DNC didn't fix the primaries. Sanders' popularity was pushed by Russian bots and by NRA paid ads. The fake hype about him didn't translate into votes. He's a sad sack loser.

No, R401, some of the comments dated to 2005 and 2006. The dates are clearly visible here, on the few full posts that were "discovered." (Everything else was just a partial sentence, which is totally not, like, suspicious or anything.)

R371 why would post such bullshit. Joy behar said that comment on the view and never claimed she was hacked.

They're talking about this thing that happened a couple weeks ago, R409:

If Joy had been honest and addressed it head on it would have been a different story. But she’s a dishonest hack who still has problematic views

Thanks PLFAG Just a note of thanks for showing some integrity and calling out a fraudulent public figure. Much respect

She did address it previously.

This time, she both denies it AND reported it to the FBI. It would have been so much simpler for her to just say "yes, that's part of the way I used to think, just like we talked about before. These are 13 years old, even older than the tweets I apologized for. I've moved on and grown, and my apology stands." Instead, she's fighting it and alerted authorities about it back in December.

That's one of the big reasons why I'm not convinced of the authenticity here. There is no way it makes sense for her to fight this unless they are faked.

[quote]There is no way it makes sense for her to fight this unless they are faked.

Yep, exactly what I am thinking.

Is it possible PFLAG is now controlled by the Russians? That would explain it.

Didn’t you know R415? Despite the fact that they have an economy that is in ruins and is smaller than Italy, that they can’t even feed their own people who starve in the streets and most of them are drunk, apparently the Russians control EVERYTHING, at least according to DL.

Joy Reid is not ethnically African American. She is racially, but her parents were immigrants from Guyana and Congo, not American blacks. She's Afro-Caribbean.

Now I definitely believe it. She is homophobic.

She would have weathered this if she had owned up to it. The hacking story/timeline doesn't make any sense from a tech perspective—and her lying about it is what will bring her down.

And it kinda makes me mad that she wrote that she refused to go "Broke Back Mountain" because of the gay storyline. It's "Brokeback Mountain," girl! One word! If you're gonna be a bigot, at least get it right!

Yawn. Everything is abut race to some people.

If you really understood these things from a "tech perspective" you'd realize it made sense. Hack the blog, edit in some more homophobic stuff, then wait until the Wayback Machine bot archives the old posts, making it look like they've been there for years. The Wayback Machine archive bot takes months to archive things sometimes, so he has to wait. That's why he didn't reveal the finds until a few days ago, because they weren't in the Wayback until recently. The bot hadn't crawled the old Reid Report site yet, and you can't just ask Wayback to crawl your site like you can with Google, you have to wait until it does it on its own. Once it did, suddenly he could reveal more homophobic stuff.

This is the same guy who revealed the Reid Report posts back in December, remember. Ask yourself why this guy didn't point out all the homophobic content in December, and instead held some back until April. How does that make sense to you? From a "tech perspective"?

I mean, most of you are just going to believe whatever you want. That's what everyone does nowadays anyway, so enjoy, I guess.

Joy Reid is not a homophobe. This is a hit job pure and simple and those of you who are foolish enough to believe it should be ashamed of yourselves. This is so much like Al Franken, even some of the posts on this thread are similar to the posts in the Al Franken threads. You people are good, I'll give you that. No wonder you were able to steal an election. American are too stupid to realize when they're being played.

r421, Hey Russians didn't make her write that all that bigoted stuff on her site years ago.

[quote]American are too stupid to realize when they're being played.

Such ignorant bigoted arrogance R421.

They are trying to get Joy Reid fired. They want her off the air. What part of that do you not understand. They want to Franken her...which means they want us to run her off the air for them just like Kristen Gillebrand nailed Franken for the Right. Can we try real hard not to be stupid? And can we shut down these fuckers who track their dirt all over this thread with their Faux outrage trying to stir shit and build a phony consensus?

OMG this is just crazy.

Joy is caught writing homophobic remarks and we're now blaming it on Russia?!?!

How delusional!

I have changed my mind, I do think she is being framed. It's a very complex hit job, but it's purposeful. R420 explains it perfectly, thank you.

[quote]then wait until the Wayback Machine bot archives the old posts, making it look like they've been there for years.

It doesn't work that way. You must not be familiar with the site. We can see WHEN things were archived.

R427 Ugh, now I don't know again.

This succkkkssss.

Here is my thing, if the posts are hers, I could have forgiven her if she had just apologized and explained how those views no longer represent her and she is deeply embarrassed and ashamed. She has been an outspoken proponent of gay rights in recent years, and anyone who follows her knows that.

But if she is lying about being hacked, then that I can't really forgive.

Hundreds of threads defending a homophobe.

[quote] That's one of the big reasons why I'm not convinced of the authenticity here. There is no way it makes sense for her to fight this unless they are faked.

There's definitely something about this that smells of a coordinated campaign (either by the right wing, or by the far left pissed at Joy for supporting Hillary, or a combination of both) to ruin Joy and her career. All of this originates from screenshots posted by a Twitter user (@Jamie_Maz), who lists his name as "Not a bot" and has never been identified as anything other than "a Twitter user." Do we know anything at all about him and his motives? Why is he obsessed with dredging up years-old posts from Joy's now-defunct blog? Why doesn't he come forward and fully identify himself and explain his motives? Why does everyone just take a random Twitter user at his word? Why isn't anyone making any attempt to find out more about who this random Twitter user is and why he's so fixated on Joy's old blog posts?

And as soon as these threads appeared on DL, trolls who have never posted in any other DL threads immediately swooped in to fill the threads with post after post about what a bigoted, homophobic person Joy is and criticism of MSNBC, Farrakhan, and everything else. More than half of the posts in this thread are from trolls.

Absolutely, R427. You can go out and pick the date to look at. So if there's a post from 2005, I can go to the Wayback link and choose, say, June 2012, or August 2008, and compare the two versions of that old 2005 post.

All this guy would have had to do is hack, wait for the April 2018 version on Wayback, screenshot it, and say "well it was in the archive."

That's why this guy hasn't been showing us the dates -- I'd bet you anything that if we saw the date of the Wayback archive, it would be sometime in 2018, i.e. the archived version showing the new hacked content.

And because Reid Report turned off archiving with their robots.txt, that archived version would have been removed along with all other archived versions. That means we can't compare the 2018 archive versus an earlier archive. She was trying to prevent the hacker content from being archived, but in doing so prevented us from being able to compare the archives ourselves to verify that this content was indeed on Wayback years ago and not just recently.

Go to the site. You can search by website name. If they we all saved last week, they're fake. If years ago, they're real.

Joy's fallback alibi.

Yeah, R431, it's interesting that so many people are outraged today by this when they weren't outraged at all back in December when this first came up, when she admitted it and apologized.

R420 but Joy Reid’s lawyer asked Wayback Machine to remove the site in December claiming that posts had been inserted in the archive.

The "homophobic" Chris Christie complaints were bullshit I don't think she should have apologized for them r435.

R435 but it's a completely different accusation now, these alleged posts are way more inflammatory than calling some male politician "Miss" (or whatever it was).

But I don't think she wrote them.

[quote]Why isn't anyone making any attempt to find out more about who this random Twitter user is and why he's so fixated on Joy's old blog posts?

It reminds me of some BernieBro who posted a photo a few months ago of a DNC fundraising mailer he got, which he claimed was made to look like a past due notice.

No one else got one, he "threw it away" and couldn't show more photos of it, the picture itself was pretty sketchy, he couldn't explain how he got the fundraising letter when he wasn't a registered Dem, he blocked anyone who questioned him, AND he was just some random Twitter guy. Yet the media ran with it, saying the DNC was evil for making poor people think they were getting a past due notice.

Really pissed me off that the DNC didn't fight back on it, but now that I see how Reid is being treated when she fights back, I understand.

435, The only person she was going after in the posts unearthed in December was Charlie Criss. Why exactly would we defend Charlie Criss??

What she wrote in these posts is much more inflammatory. And sounds suspiciously like views expressed in not yet deleted tweets. .

R440 link to tweets please

[quote]these alleged posts are way more inflammatory than calling some male politician "Miss"

Some, maybe. A lot of it is literally 4-5 words taken out of context, like "don't sue me Tom Cruise" or "keep it in the closet." What does that even mean out of context?

And the post about "famous heterosexuals who are definitely not gay" seems to actually refer to an old Rotten . Com website from 2004, not something from Reid Report. It's like someone took an old Rotten post and added it to Reid Report, or maybe screen captured some post where SHE quoted Rotten's article.

PFLAG did right thing

I am getting annoyed with all the cunts on twitter that are using Joy's race as a shield. We really do come way lower on the progressive totem pole than I originally thought.

You don't want to a acknowledge a left-wing brown woman is homophobic (though probably only towards gay MEN). Lots are. Here's another one:

(Post 'em)

R420 is right on the money. Here is the thing, when the first posts came out about Charlie Crist do you really think that person would have just stopped at the Charlie Crist posts? Why not reveal all then? When the story first broke about Charlie Crist, don't you think other groups and news organizations didn't comb through that blog looking for more dirt? This idea of new found posts, how does that even pass the smell test. It can't.

[quote]I am getting annoyed with all the cunts on twitter that are using Joy's race as a shield. We really do come way lower on the progressive totem pole than I originally thought.

Because the objective was to turn it into a black versus gays thing.

[quote]I am getting annoyed with all the cunts on twitter that are using Joy's race as a shield.

Can you blame them when so many of the attacks on her are about her race? In situation that has nothing to do with race, it was immediately made about race. Because race-baiting is everything to internet trolls.

r445, You're trying to shut the subject down by making it about race. You're completely obvious. Fuck off.

r447, Nope. This is about Joy's homophobia. Has nothing to do with her race whatsoever.

[quote]When the story first broke about Charlie Crist, don't you think other groups and news organizations didn't comb through that blog looking for more dirt?

Seriously. You can't tell me that not ONE other rightwinger or troll or BernieBro went through her blog archives with a fine-tooth comb back in December. You can't convince me that no journalist or blogger didn't go through archives searching for something incriminating.

Joy Reid had no problem holding Bernie accountable for his early blogging.Just saying.

R449 we know what it’s about. The point was that many of the people commenting (here and elsewhere) have made racially disparaging remarks.

451 Reid had know problem being held accountable for her blogs, the ones that she actually wrote. “Just saying.”

R451 which is why this makes no sense that she would knowingly have those posts on her own blog.

r453, the posts were made YEARS ago. She long ago deleted them. Long before she knew she would be on TV attacking people for doing what she was doing.

r452, I'm not convinced the "racially disparaging" remarks didn't come from people like you so they could then use her race as a shield. once again, racists and Russians didn't make her write all that bigoted crap on her site years ago. That's all on Joy.

so...

For some reason I don't like listening to her. Her delivery, inflections, something I can't put my finger on. I agree with what she says when I see her on MSNBC, but I hate when she subs for Rachel. I just find her annoyingly unwatchable for some reason and not sure why. Has nothing to do with her blog, but anyone else feel this way?

I think Joy is great and I hoped she’d replace Chris Matthews some day. I could have forgiven her old comments if she owned them and said she’s been enlightened since. But I’m afraid if she lied about the hacking, she’s really screwed the pooch.

"This idea of new found posts, how does that even pass the smell test. It can't"

Look at this point if the posts were inserted in December - it would have been discovered within the past 24 hours. Just because you're rationalizing it all - sayin she "HAD" to be hacked - sorry, don't buy it.

Every computer geek would have proven a hacking in the Wayward machine within the past 24 hours if that was the case.

Honestly, I don't think people cared enough about Joy back in December (right wingers) to delve into her homophobia even more. She's NOT THAT INTERESTING. She still isn't. If this twitter user discovered her to have actually wrote those things then I'm glad that homophobic bitch has been outed. Glad PFLAG isn't buying her bullshit either.

Um, Al Franken was not a hit job, no matter how much you try to convince yourselves otherwise. There are pictures. He admitted to groping women. Period.

LOL "Wayward machine"

You sound, like, SO tech savvy, R458.

sorry 458. Auto correct.

Personally I’m not offended by the idea that straight men think gay sex or gay men kissing is “gross”, no matter who actually wrote it. That’s the truth about how many straight men an woman feel. Just like many gay men think vaginas are gross or lesbian sex is gross. Stating what we know to be true about other people’s feelings does not offend me. If you said some people think Chinese people are gross because some eat dogs or some people think African dark skin is gross. That is the truth about the way some people feel. And many heterosexuals believe that gays are predators. It’s ignorant, stupid and unfortunate that people believe such things but it is what many believe.

R454 the racial attacks are not new here or unique. And no one claims to know who did the hacking. So you can stop jumping up and down about Russia. There are more than enough American right wingers making mischief on the internet; no one is claiming it was your precious Russia.

No one has all of the answers and you certainly don’t. The question is why are you so overly obsessively compulsively invested in this?

I meant r460

There are PLENTY off talented people that could easily take over Joys spot on TV - who cares about Joy? NEXT!

Keep supporting a self professed homophobe, r462. I guess you think there's nothing wrong with the claim that gays are into post pubescent teens and that we "recruit" them right?

Her posts were archived TEN YEARS AGO. Wayback says they were NOT HACKED. Her supposed “security expert” is a charlatan. What are you people not getting about this? These are facts. Desperately clinging onto some false Russian bot hacking hope for some homophobic fifth rate commentator on MSNBC is bizarre, at best.

Let it go.

R466 the majority of the posts in this thread belong to you. Why? Why have you all of suddenly devoted your life to filling up threads about Joy Reid. Why? What’s your motive?

And no one claimed that she was hacked by Russia. We don’t know who did the hacking. What part of that are you not getting. As you continue to fill the thread up.

He's constantly calling people "hysterical" and "queens" in this thread, R468. I think his agenda is pretty clear.

No matter how many times we say Wayback wasn't hacked, he'll claim that's what we're saying. No matter how many times we say we never thought it was the Russians, he'll say we're blaming the Russians.

He's useless and a troll.

The fact that one person has spent day and night attempting to launch a crusade against Reid is a major red flag. All of this very fishy.

DISAPPOINTED in her. If this is true of course.

She’s lying. The Way Back Machine has NEVER been hacked since it’s inception. The article below does a good job of breaking this saga down. Joy needs to own it!

R471 on a site that currently has a thread titled “women are horrible decorators” I don’t know that we have the moral high ground.

R472 you’ve posted 400 times here. Why?

It’s too late for her to own the past comments if she has lied about being hacked. That kind of lie can destroy a journalist’s credibility. Sad.

[quote] That kind of lie can destroy a journalist’s credibility.

It's MSNBC. That ship sailed years ago.

But you are a hysterical queen troll R469, you are. You’ll say anything to fit your bizarre agenda of saving a homophobe.

Enough. Blocked. Whatevs, I’m done with this thread. Her broadcasting career is over, and there’s nothing you obsessed Russian hacking trolls can do about it.

[quote] The fact that one person has spent day and night attempting to launch a crusade against Reid is a major red flag. All of this very fishy.

Exactly. Everyone seems to be putting 100% trust in screen shots posted (more than 10 years after the fact) by one anonymous Twitter user who calls himself "Not a bot" and hasn't revealed anything about his true identity and motives. Furthermore, nobody seems to even be ASKING who this Twitter user is, what his background is, and why he is so obsessed with Joy's blog posts from over a decade ago. It's going to take more than a highly suspicious crusade by an anonymous Twitter user to convince me that Joy is a homophobe.

r473, Fuck you. There are womens sites across the web that make fun of gay men. God forbid a gay site make fun of female decorators. You wouldn't have a bug up your ass if a woman wrote "gay men are horrible decorators" and you know it. You're just a hypocritical leftist that thinks it's acceptable for people to bash gays as long as long as they are Democrats.

R476 after 400 posts you’re done, really? Surely you have more to say.

"Honestly, I don't think people cared enough about Joy back in December (right wingers) to delve into her homophobia even more."

She's virulently anti-Trump. They're going after her, same as the "leaked" Lawrence O'Donnell "trantrum" footage. This is what Trump & Co. do.

Joy's story is clearly fake:

"Also, the Wayback Machine captured these posts at or near the time they were posted - over ten years ago. For this account to make sense, someone would have had to access Reid's blog with Dark Web credentials, then travel back in time"

R481 How many times are you going to posts the same bullshit?

r482 None, because that was the first time I post that, dummy.

for the people saying "no one cares about Joy Reid enough to sabotage her" that is wrong. She has over 1 million followers and is the most prominent black woman in cable news. Of course right wingers would love to take her down. She's also done segments highlighting the bullshit and lies that come out of Hannity, Pirro and other evil Fox hosts' mouths.

The part that makes me want to give her the benefit of the doubt is the part where she supposedly says that she doesn’t want to see attractive men having sex. Isn’t that something a straight man would say? Women would be totally into it unless it’s their boyfriend.

Hmmm, it appears the content Joy had already apologized for before were unearthed by the same person who brought up the "newest" batch of posts:

"The claim was met with plenty of skepticism, at least in part because Reid had already apologized in December for other years-old anti-gay posts that appeared on the blog, which were found by the same Twitter user, @Jamie_Maz, who also unearthed this week's posts through the Wayback Machine."

The CNN article below -- written after her "expert" came to her defense -- also reeks of skepticism:

No R485 most women probably don’t want to see 2 men have sex. And most gay men probably don’t want to see 2 women have sex. We can be honest about that. And if you don’t believe ask a few random straight women. And ask some straight men what they think about watching gay men kiss or have sex?

[quote] which were found by the same Twitter user, @Jamie_Maz

Again, the whole campaign against her is orchestrated by one anonymous Twitter user. And nobody in the media asks who this Twitter user is, what his motives are, and why he's so obsessed with destroying Joy and her career. That's just irresponsible.

I for one don't give a shit who unearthed it or their motives behind it. I care that she is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Thanks whoever it was, you did us a solid!

Yes R486 and what or who they’re not skeptical of is this anonymous twitter user and his motives. Someone who came out of nowhere and whom we know nothing about.

R489 what you care about is your hatred for MSNBC and your own fucked up troll agenda. For all we know you may be that anonymous Twitter user.

[quote] I for one don't give a shit who unearthed it or their motives behind it.

Then you're gullible and an idiot.

[quote]someone would have had to access Reid's blog with Dark Web credentials

That is absolute gibberish. That's like saying you have to access your refrigerator with your car keys.

[quote]“He pointed out that the inflammatory blog entries in question didn't have reader comments. "If those posts were real, they would have undoubtedly elicited responses from Ms. Reid's base," he wrote.”

From CNN at R486

Good point.

[quote]Yes [R486] and what or who they’re not skeptical of is this anonymous twitter user and his motives. Someone who came out of nowhere and whom we know nothing about.

Because his motives are not relevant to the truthfulness of his posts, idiot.

The person who posted the screen shots is promising more stuff for tomorrow.

[quote]The Way Back Machine has NEVER been hacked since it’s inception.

People saying this over and over can't spell and don't know what the Wayback Machine even is.

The Wayback wasn't hacked. Anyone saying it was is either a tech dolt or lying.

Jonathan Capehart retweeted Tiffany Cross' support of Joy Reid. Tamron Hall posted a selfie with Joy calling her a friend and her #wcw

I do think Joy has been hacked by an evil right winger, just as this thread has been invaded by evil right wing troll posters

[quote]Good point.

Um, no, because her blog was not well read then. It's an extremely retarded point, because she could also just have locked her post.

Also, you're ignoring the part of CNN's article where they basically say MSNBC is lying about the Library of Congress. Library of Congress shows one of the "fraudulent" posts written by Joy was archived in January 2006. If any hacking took place, it was 12 years ago. Why would anyone hack her 12 years ago and only unveil the results now?

r492, Not gullible at all. I care about the validity of the posts.That's all you should care about too.

r498, A bunch of heteros are supporting a homophobe. What a shocker.

All people posting stuff in her defense are of her political tribe - they're all rancid Hillary cultists with a record of tempering with the truth themselves.

Plus, it's very telling those people don't say she's quite innocent- they say "her voice is important", as if being important were a measure of innocence.

Like the poster below said:

"Bear in mind that the point of a tweet like this isn't to establish JAR's innocence, but to signal that elites still support her and to encourage them to circle the wagons."

This is what media personalities do when one of them is under fire. Sean Hannity and Bill Maher also had their own defense squad when they were being cornered.

Just having friends is not proof of being innocent.

[quote] Because his motives are not relevant to the truthfulness of his posts, idiot.

In this world of weaponization of the internet and social media, his motives and yours are most certainly relevant. Being that you have hundreds of posts in 2 threads and apparently you have nothing to do but post about Joy Reid.

[quote] I care about the validity of the posts.

That's what I care about too. And I can't judge the validity of information until I know the source of that information.

One of Reid's lawyer's arguments in her favor is that some of the entries are too lengthy to have been written by her.

"Ms. Reid did not have the superhuman blogging skills needed to do all of these posts simultaneously," Reichman wrote.

But this is how CNN described one of the "lengthy" entries:

[quote]A Library of Congress archive of the site shows that the "lengthy" entry contains only two sentences of text actually written by the post's author; the rest is a quote.

Even CNN is calling her experts liars.

It might be better to just own up to her statements, apologize and move on from there. Covering up one lie with another is only making things worse.

One of the LoC archived posts shows that the homophobic quote attributed to Reid was actually something quoted from elsewhere, that it "contains only two sentences of text actually written by the post's author; the rest is a quote."

This thread is just like the Al Franken threads right after the "incriminating" photos of Franken went public. Immediately, the threads filled with hundreds of posts from people (mostly the same dozen or so posting repeatedly) saying, "I'm a lifelong liberal and I loved Al Franken, but this makes me sick! I can never support the man again." And anyone who dared to question the authenticity of the photos or the motives of the people trying to discredit Franken was immediately shot down. "None of that matters! All of that matters is that Franken is a sick man who hates women! He needs to resign immediately!" Clearly, Franken had done some stupid things, but most of the posts on DL just didn't ring true. They were so over-the-top and the outrage was so out of proportion with the reality of the situation that it was obvious we were witnessing an orchestrated campaign to turn liberals against Franken. And it worked.

Now, we're seeing exactly the same strategy being used to bring down Joy Reid.

R501 Jonathan Capehart is a gay man you idiot

I'll never understand why there are so many bigots on datalounge. They LOVE to write negative posts about women and non-white men.

Read r505. It's clear MSNBC isn't even trying to make sense when defending her. They're just stringing words together as a token exercise in pseudo-explanation, hoping the rest of the media will take whatever they write at face value and not research things more deeply.

As Glenn Greenwald said: "Joy has a lot of friends in the media and they don't care in the slightest if she's lying. That's what MSNBC is counting on."

[quote] They were so over-the-top and the outrage was so out of proportion with the reality of the situation that it was obvious we were witnessing an orchestrated campaign to turn liberals against Franken. And it worked. Now, we're seeing exactly the same strategy being used to bring down Joy Reid.

And as long as liberals continue to take the bait. Conservatives are going to continue doing this. Just imagine what the midterms and the 2020 presidential election will be like. Imagine how many people they've already cooked up plans to take down with this same strategy.

[quote]He pointed out that the inflammatory blog entries in question didn't have reader comments. "If those posts were real, they would have undoubtedly elicited responses from Ms. Reid's base," he wrote.

This is a good point. I'm relieved.

[quote]Again, the whole campaign against her is orchestrated by one anonymous Twitter user.

No, it was not "orchestrated" by him, you retard. He merely posted the screen shots. This is not the same thing as orchestrating a conspiracy. He's been posting Reid's posts since November last year. He decided to do repeat a few days ago, and got lucky that a Mediaite journalist decided to pick up on the story. Then other media outlets started doing the same, first the right-wing ones, then the liberal ones. This is not a conspiracy.

And considering that Joy already apologized for some of the stuff he revealed - the lighter stuff - it doesn't seem he's changing anyone's posts.

[quote]And nobody in the media asks who this Twitter user is, what his motives are, and why he's so obsessed with destroying Joy and her career. That's just irresponsible.

Many users on Twitter don't post their personal pictures, including many in Clinton Cult Twitter.

Anyway, from his profile, he seems to be a DSA type. Joy Reid hates them. So he hates her back. It's normal and natural.

But in any case, who he is and what his motives are, have no impact on the true issue here - Joy's posts. He probably also hates Fox News, but you wouldn't be doubting his screen shots if his posts had been about Sean Hannity.

Who cares? We say far worse stuff about LGBTQ people on here. Don't be hypocritical.

Awesome interview with Hillary Clinton. I'm on Team Joy!

I think she's lying, I used to read her blog once in a while, and remember thinking she was homophobic. I stoped reading it because I was offended by what she said.

This is only the beginning r512. They tested the waters by releasing Laurence O'Donnells tantrum. They tried to send Rachel fake documents. Now this. Joy Reid is not a homophobe. Anyone who believes that she is, has an agenda.

Joy's "expert", everyone!

[QUOTE]This is a good point. I'm relieved.

It isn't a good point at all, as none of her articles have the comments archived, as they would've been stored on a different domain. It's really weird that even tried to suggest that as a defensive argument.

Incidentally, Joy's cyber security guy has locked down his own social media - hm, that's a good sign, right? And also describes himself as "former psyops". His username is wvualphasoldier - christ, by that username alone he sounds like a huge douche.

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Jeffrey Toobin also supporting Joy

Having looked through the screen caps as originally tweeted (which I encourage everyone to do via a link in the article I posted at OP), I think it is unlikely these scattered comments were planted by someone seeking to discredit Joy. They are not inflammatory enough. I would not characterize the comments as unusually homophobic. Rather they reflect a certain discomfort with the homosex and a desire to distance the Democratic Party from advocacy for gay marriage and repeal of DADT out of fear that these issue would alienate part of the base . In short, a fairly common attitude among moderate democrats at the time. Then there is a fascination with the gay/not gay celebrity game which was also prevalent right here at the time (and remains so).

If Reid did write these things, she could certainly have weathered the tempest in a tea room that would follow their disclosure.

Which makes the hacking claim especially tragic if, as I now suspect, it is false. The cover-up being worse than the crime strikes again.

Why would you post a screenshot of a tweet rather than just link to the article?

[quote] She lied.

Wise strategy in these times. Trump lies constantly and his fan base soars.

Christ, her tech guy is a fucking moron

[QUOTE]“Like are most of you aware that I NOT ONLY know Andrew (stromfront admin), but I was the principal element livetweeting his release from [prison],” tweeted Nichols on December 9, 2017. “If you try REALLY HARD you’ll see that I’m connected to the leadership of [Stormfront]. If you try just a bit harder you’ll figure it out.”

He thinks he could have changed the world and avoided war but...didn't

[QUOTE]“Nah, I’m a senior leader,I’m a senior PSYOPer. I find your civilian disruption to be cute. By way of example, I could have influenced the propaganda mission of Libya. I chose not to,”

And funnily enough, this is all being gotten from the Wayback Machine as he locked down his profiles.

"At the end of the day, Prop 8’s passage was more a generational matter than a racial one. If nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a point or two. "

Datalounge likes to bash millennials, but it's clear that OLD PEOPLE of all races were responsible for prop 8.

hacked = my dog ate my homework

R528 and don't forget the biggest voting base for repubs are white heterosexual baby boomers and half of white heterosexual gen x

Well you'll keep on getting annoyed. Here's the hierarchy:

Muslims

Blacks

Trans

Women

Rescue Animals

African Big Game

Intersectionals of any of the above

Gays

Now get back in line.

I don't care what we say on here - we are talking about ourselves. And being snarky. Like when blacks use the N word, or women call each other bitches in fun. And I don't care who is doing what here, only what the truth is. That's all. She relies on our support and I want to know the truth and what she has said and the extent of it. She is a journalist, she does not get to publicly engage in pointless bitchery at our expense. If she has changed her mind about things, she should say it.

Stop saying blacks supported Prop 8. The majority, and they were women, did not. That was clear from polls at the time. Homophobia (due to religion) is a huge problem for gay men in the black community. Don't pretend it doesn't exist. I am the one from Austin that first brought up the problem of religious black women. Austin is liberal, but I am telling you, even the black liberal women I know and work with are just grossed out by two men and find it against God and Jesus the Savior. You have no idea. It is ingrained in them, there is so much going on with it. They don't care as much about lesbians because Leviticus said man shall not lie with another man, they don't think lesbian sex is "real" sex, and it is just one more group (others are white and Asian women) trying to steal their black men from them. Black women are the least likely to date outside their race and their dating pool has shrunk from, they believe, everyone taking their black men and too many black men in jail. This is a real thing. Of. course not all black women, but more than in other groups. They say the nastiest things about gay men while in the same breath bitching about racism. They do not see the two related at all to civil rights because the Bible says so.

NY Magazine recaps the story, examines the claims of her "independent security consultant", and concludes

[quote] What this looks like is a very elaborate, incoherent smokescreen to avoid taking responsibility.

[quote]Here is my thing, if the posts are hers, I could have forgiven her if she had just apologized and explained how those views no longer represent her and she is deeply embarrassed and ashamed.

For the umpteenth time, she did acknowledge she wrote some of those things that came out in December and she apologized for it. In December she also recognized her old blog had been hacked and the FBI now looks into the matter. She never would have called for an investigation if she had written the more explicit stuff herself, because the FBI will find out who wrote those posts and whether her blog was hacked into in order to manipulate her old posts.

As of now I tend to believe her and whatever her feelings toward gays were back then, she has changed, like so many people have in the last ten years.

As a democrat and being anti Bernie-Loons she is the perfect target for such a smear campaign, hence why idiots like Glenn Greenwald are involved slamming her.

Thank you r534 this seems fishy and I'm gonna need more concrete receipts, either way she is publicly a good alley for liberals (doesn't mean gays). I will side with her for the moment.

R531, Since #1 and #3 are viciously anti-women, that means women (and definitely lesbians) are on the bottom, too.

The only women that get media time or are presented as a fake "leader" are those that will not stick up for women and will support anti-women ideology/ideologies or industries.

I wonder if MSNBC/Joy have a PR crisis team working this right now, including make posts to gay forums?

This entire thing seems very suspicious. She should substantiate her claims of being hacked with some actual evidence or at least have a highly respected cybersecurity firm investigate.

She shouldn't, MSNBC should. It's a little odd that they're happy to sit back and let her hire loons rather than them do any investigating themselves.

THere's no debate here.

1. Serious news sources like the NY Times, New York, even CNN are pointing out that her defense is wearing thin.

2. The Internet Archive reviewed her "evidence" and concluded there was NO hacking (and are open to re-visit if new evidence is provided.

Those of you who keep ignoring these facts simply don't want to admit that a liberal black woman can also be homophobic.

Here’s what we know for sure:

One troll claiming to be a tri racial Brazilian “Bernie Bot” with recent “African Ancestry” spent all last night and all day today posting hundreds of times in 2 Joy Reid threads. If someone would willingly invest so much effort here. Then what have they done and what are they doing elsewhere.

How does that not seem fishy. How does the anonymous twitter source not seem fishy.

This is no doubt a coordinated right wing hit job.

R540 and the NYTimes, New York, and CNN are fishy too?

[QUOTE]This is no doubt a coordinated right wing hit job.

Is Joy part of the coordination then? Because her piss-poor response is what's kept this story alive.

[quote]Because her piss-poor response

She didn't give a piss poor response, she apologized profusely and the FBI is looking into the matter.

[quote]She didn't give a piss poor response, she apologized profusely and the FBI is looking into the matter.

no she apologized for the December stuff about Crist.

She denied the new stuff and said she' reported it to the FBI.

Yet major news outlets are now coming to the conclusion that something is not sitting right. Time will tell soon enough.

But dont' confuse the facts

Here's what should be happening: her security consultant who found evidence that certain posts had evidence of being tampered with should have shown it to other unbiased consultants for confirmation, and the other consultants should have said, "Hey, yeah. Looks like."

That hasn't happened yet. So the wait continues.

Uh oh.

She hasn't tweeted anything since yesterday, which is very unusual. I hope she didn't lie, I can forgive decade-old comments -- but as many of her guests have said about Trump, the cover-up is worse than the crime.

^^I will give her the benefit of the doubt until it's definitively proven otherwise.

I don’t know how she’s going to dig herself out of this. Perhaps she can say she did not remember the posts and relied on her “expert” to conclude they were placed by a hacker.

Notice to Our Valued Gay Viewers:

Joy Reid's employment status at MSNBC has not and will not change.

However, in other shiny object news, Ari Melber will be doing his newscasts shirtless next week, so stayed tuned and pacified.

R548, the point that the old blog archives were stored in multiple locations is proof to me. Or are you going to believe that the malevolent hacker tracked them all down, hacked each one, and made identical alterations to multiple posts?

From The Atlantic. see r546

Furthermore, the Old Dominion computer scientist Michael Nelson scoured the other public records of Reid’s site to see if he could find evidence for the screenshots that @Jamie_Maz posted. Even without precise URLs, which makes it much easier to look up the records, Nelson was able to identify five matches in the various archives from the screenshots.

There is a small caveat, which is that these other copies probably used the Wayback Machine’s copies as their original source, even if they have stored them separately.

“Nonetheless,” Nelson wrote, “with multiple copies geographically and administratively dispersed throughout the globe, an adversary would have had to hack multiple web archives and alter their contents (cf. lockss.org), or have hacked the original site (blog.reidreport.com) approximately 12 years ago for adulterated pages to have been hosted at all the different web archives.”

Madcow should fuck joyless with her strapon

Just by looking at her you can tell she's a homophobe.

R552 for the win!

Unless the Atlantic has now been hacked as well. Right.

She can say the posts happened during a missing time experience, and aliens may be involved.

Was R555 hacked?

No, I'm a "bot" or a "troll" according to the "limited" DL'er who doesn't understand how things work.

No one has offered any definitive proof one way the other. Opinions from the Atlantic or elsewhere are just that, opinions.

The Internat Archive, a nonpartisan source, reviewed the evidence and declared "No hacking".

If any attempted hacking took place, it was probably by joy herself trying to rid the evidence.

The internet archive issued speculative opinion. They are not an official authority and they aren’t able to offer definitive either.

Daily Beast is "pausing" her columns while they investigate this

Daily Beast is racist !

One of the posts was "I couldn't watch too guys get it on....that is to out there for me" about Brokeback. There was no sex in it, dummy. This is what the dummies thought was in it.The language is dumb, too. Sounds like a dumb high school student.

Is Daily Beast working for the Russians?

[quote]The internet archive issued speculative opinion. They are not an official authority and they aren’t able to offer definitive either.

First, Reviewing evidence submitted by Joy is not "speculative opinion;" it is actually a judgment based on facts provided.

second, it is not actually possible to PROVE the absence of hacking, only to say there is no evidence that it did.

It's kind of like asking an atheist to prove there is no god. i have a feeling this logic is lost on you however given you dont' understand simple terms like "speculation" vs. "Judgment".

[quote]There was no sex in it, dummy. This is what the dummies thought was in it.The language is dumb, too. Sounds like a dumb high school student.

Unless you count that fuck scene.

Keith Boykin also supports Joy

Actually, R567, it is possible to prove there was no hacking and the computer scientist quoted by the Atlantic just did it. To dismiss his empirical evidence as “opinion” is to betray an indifference to proof.

Yeah, Keith, she respects you—so long as she doesn’t have to see you kissing another guy on the lips.

R570 i'm on your side. but i also am a little aspie about truth and facts

technically, he said it's highly unlikely. you can't prove the absence of something. you can just say there is no definitie proof that something did occur. (it's kind of like in statistics when one says it's the probability that something is simply due to chance/random noise is less than 5% is NOT the same thing as saying the chance that it is true is 95%. it's something most people even math whizes dont' understand).

but i fully agree with his findings.

Tomorrow on AM Joy, I will be discussing more Trump lies, why Trump selfishly lies to protect himself and his family, and how damaging all that lying is to truth and the trust of public institutions and the media.

Tomorrow, on AM Joy.

Special guest: Louis Farrakhan, discusses how his live speeches were hacked to make him look anti-gay and anti-semitic.

Special special guest: Joy's "security expert" demonstrates how to hack live speeches.

R572, we are allowed to use common sense in evaluating evidence. Is it possible that the hack took place 12 years ago or that the hacker went to the effort to track down every copy of Reid’s blog and hack into them all? Sure. Is it more likely she’s lying? Certainly.

R575 i agree with you!!

R567 he took what limited information was available to him and he gave his opinion. So yes he’s speculating.

I suspect that you are not half as smart as you would like to think you are.

Oh, The Daily Beast is pausing her column. The same site that sent Nico Hines (still employed there) to the 2016 Olympics to out closeted gay athletes from hostile countries? And who acted put out (fuck you, John Avlon!) when people complained.

Hmmm, actually, the fact that Joy writes for them is a strike against her.

[quote] [R567] he took what limited information was available to him and he gave his opinion. So yes he’s speculating.

Evidence provided by JOY and her SECURITY EXPERT!!!!

God how moronic are you people????

What do you think "judgment" means? You evaluate evidence and pass judgment.

If you're ever in a court of law and the Judge or Jury finds you guilty based on the evidence, try telling them that "oh no, that's just SPECULATION!" I demand a retrial!

Where are we at with this? Hack or no hack?

She is a black woman. In the "WOKE" world, she is above gay men, especially white gay men.

The entire defense of Joy on Twitter is that Glenn Greenwald doesn't like her, and she's a black woman, so obviously she's right.

im gay but i like the bitch. she a str8 shooter and has the goods on trumpsters like no one else. i like the way she delivers the news, and so what if she had a drink or 2 and went ape shit on line bout stuff.

she a good gal

The only defense she needed for me was “Sorry. I’ve learned a lot since then.”

I hope MSNBC will forgive her “hacking” story, but I fear they might not.

New thread when the time comes

This is nothing more than a well orchestrated vendetta. If we let them take Joy Reid down, then no progressives in the media are safe. Don’t believe the bullshit, Joy Reid is not a homophobe.

^^^ Says Joy Reid. 2018

Joy Reid 10 years ago? Not so much

She may not be a homophobe, but she hasn’t handled this well.

[QUOTE]This is nothing more than a well orchestrated vendetta. If we let them take Joy Reid down, then no progressives in the media are safe. Don’t believe the bullshit, Joy Reid is not a homophobe.

And what exactly do “they” gain by “taking down” Joy Reid? Like she’s some important figure? Like the blue wave in November is potentially jeopardized by the removal of Joy Reid from MSNBC and the liberal blogosphere? There’s tens of thousands of bright young people graduating every year who are ready to take her place

She’ll be gone by the weekend.

[quote]And what exactly do “they” gain by “taking down” Joy Reid?

Vengeance for Bill O’Reilly.

Then they would aim higher, say for Rachel Maddow or Anderson Cooper or someone with a bigger profile

They tried. Remember the fake document leaked to Rachel?

[QUOTE]Vengeance for Bill O’Reilly.

Rightwingers barely even liked Bill O’Reilly.

Who says “they” are right-wingers? Maybe “they” are the Papa Bear Defense League.

Well I can't say right wingers attacked Joy but at least I can be certain it was NOT M-13. Joy never even heard of them.

[QUOTE]Well I can't say right wingers attacked Joy but at least I can be certain it was NOT M-13. Joy never even heard of them.

😂😂😂

So they hacked her over a decade ago and have sat on it since waiting for this moment?

From Joan Walsh:

1) So: Many people know I am close friends with @JoyAnnReid. Few of you know I was the first person to publish her, roughly 18 years ago. We didn't meet for at least a dozen years.

2) At Salon, I kept track of her work and read her blog, "The Reid Report," after that. In 2008, when we started our blogging platform "Open Salon," we asked our favorite contributors who had blogs to cross post with us. Joy did so and was immediately a huge hit.

3) Our editors monitored "The Reid Report" to see if she posted anything we wanted; sometimes we'd nudge her to cross-post, and she did.

4) Obviously, none of us ever saw the kinds of homophobic posts she's now accused of. If we had, we'd have stopped publishing her.

5) Interestingly, no one has come forward and said that they read any of this garbage in real time: "Oh hey, that Joy Reid was a real nightmare, can't believe she got published."

6) Also, to my knowledge, the offensive posts had no comments on them, while the posts she acknowledges had some lively comments debates.

7) Now, can I claim I read every word she posted? Of course not. But I did read it enough to know that she did not regularly reflect the attitudes she's accused of here.

8) Maybe most important, I write this to say: I've followed Joy's writing for @17 years. She did not appear out of nowhere, to me, and wind up with a television show. Some of her critics imply that. Which only shows their own isolation

cunt

[quote]What a freakin mess you are. You sound like a Joe McCarthy lover. Seriously, if Democrats keep calling liberals "reds", you can kiss the next two elections good-bye. Wake the fuck up.

Oh honey, again with your horseshit attempting to paint a ratfucking Russian prostitute as a "liberal".

Greenwald is a Russian agent. Go push your agenda elsewhere.