Prince Harry Refuses to Sign a Prenup- Part 2

Thanks OP

FYI. Brits refer to anyone with a bit of color as black. So Megan is called the American black woman by gossiping hens.

As much as I can read they call her "biracial", not black.

What was it Harry said about Pakis a few years ago? He’s pretty clueless

Good. This is important news to follow.

I'm actually most interested in her financial situation and how it impacts the marriage. Harry's previous girlfriends had family money and family property. Kate Middleton had and has her family's property, business, and money as back-up. It's a resource - she and William can scoot off to her parents' place whenever they want, and as they usually do after she has a kid. They also have the $$ to fly Kate and William by private jet to France where she attended Pippa's hen party and William dad danced at his friends restaurant. Harry used to spend time at his girlfriend Chelsey Davey's family homestead - an enormous place in the Zimbabwe bush where her dad ran a hotel and safaris. Kate's family could also bolster her clothing budget before the wedding and Prince Charles' allowance kicked in.

The Prince's PR keeps trying to make Meghan bigger, such as saying she's worth 5 million. Absolutely not possible. Or saying she earned 50k an episode - absolutely not possible, particularly not during the first term of her contract with USA network. They said she flew to L.A. over Easter to spend - what? 36 hours with her mom? Not buying it.

Diana was sort of unmoored herself - her brother didn't want her staying at Althorp, but her mom had a place in Scotland she could visit, and she did have some of her own money prior to the settlement from her divorce. Meghan has nothing. She's stuck. She's got her friendship with Jessica and Ben Mulroney, but no place to run if it goes sour. She is also a pretty terrible actress, which is why her part on Suits never grew. She has qualities that are commercial - ambiguously ethnic pretty person who can convey intelligence and sweetness, but the actual acting is flat. IOW, this better work, or she's screwed. Harry is also going to find he's pulling the whole train because she's just got herself. I guess like Phillip, but Phillip was close to his sister and came from nobility, like Diana. Diana was part of that world before the wedding, so was Phillip, which probably helped.

R6 - you mean Prince PHILIP? He had four sisters who married Germans and he barely saw them so to which sister are you referring? Philip was closer to his uncle Lord Mountbatten than any of his immediate family,

I think Meghan can easily catch some russian oligarch or some australian shady billionaire if it doesn't work.

If her history shows something it's that the girl knows how to bounce.

R6 - forgot to mention that Philip wasn't nobility. He was of Royal Blood, Descendant of Queen Victoria Third cousin to his wife The Queen.

Which half of England do I get in the divorce?

R10 - she's so clueless she probably believes that she'd get a part of England.

I've read he was close to Cecily. And I forgot about the Mountbattan connection. Anyway, I was saying even though he was sort of a royal without a country at the time he married Elizabeth, he was still connected to and of that royal world. Meghan is completely isolated and will become completely dependant. She hasn't had any income in how long, now, I doubt she has meaningful assets that could support her, and her family has no money at all. I think it will also hurt her that she had a habit of dumping friends and making new ones - it means she has a fragile support system.

Andrew Morton's book about Meghan Markle says Harry's staff joked when he took Meghan to Botswana as she was the fourth girlfriend he'd taken to a big romantic Botswana trip. I read an old profile of Chelsy Davy and HER trip to Botswana with Harry, how afterwards he raved that he loved talking to her under the stars and made his umpteenth complaint about being royal. His complaints also read to me as if he wishes he were a trust fund baby like all of his friends and can do exactly what he wants and go where he wants when he wants. That's what he means by being "normal" and "regular".

R6 if you are interested in the finances look into the IRS implications of this marriage. It’s gonna be a huge headache and she’ll be best off renouncing her US citizenship which will be funny after the divorce when she can’t just pick up and move back to the US.

I have read the IRS implications of the marriage R13, and it's true, financially speaking she'll be better off renouncing her US citizenship, but that will put her in no man's land if the marriage doesn't work out.

But it also begs the question - move back to the US and do what? She was pretty old for a starlet - her career looked more like the career of a 27 year old, not a 35 year old. She had made good connections, most prominently the Mulroneys, but that didn't translate into a position with income as yet. She obviously knew enough to get a well off boyfriend - that chef guy she moved in with. She had a wealthy bff in Serena Williams. But now she's taken herself out of the network she established for herself in Toronto, and she'll literally be completely dependant on Harry and the RF with nothing of her own, which is pretty unusual. It the marriage falls apart she wouldn't even be able to feed herself without help. While even Jack Brooksbank has his own career and income.

Drop kids immediately , Sparkle.

Little Diana Doria Elizabeth may not be as easy to pop out as people think.

She doesn’t strike me as the maternal type but I’m sure she wants a kid or two to secure the lifetime connection just like Fergie.

R16 - let's hope Nutmeg is able to have children or Harry will turn into Henry The Eighth and start looking for Wife No# 2.

Nothing proves than Meghan has Kate's fertility.

There was a BI that she told a former partner that she couldn’t have kids. But I think it was from CDAN and a lot of that crap is made up.

At this point her age is the biggest thing against her. Sure women have kids at that age all the time but it does get harder. Fertility plummets after 37 and she’ll turn 37 a few months after the wedding.

I would not be surprised if she told her ex she can't have children.

She'll have access to the finest fertility experts.

They can always adopt! One black baby and one white to make it look natural.

Genetics. The baby could have red hair!

R22 - I envision that any child of Nutmeg and Ginger will have red-haired afro with freckles (see photo in R23 and add the freckles).

The kids will look like Thomas Jefferson’s kids with Sally Hemings.

I kinda figured they’d have coloring similar to Halle Berry’s daughter.

I’d laugh if the kid got mostly Windsor genes. You know she’ll be upset if the kid looks like Harry’s inbred family.

Meghan is super light, the kid gonna be totally white.

A lot of people have commented that Harry and Meg actually look a lot alike if you compare their features. The same ski slope nose and too closely set eyes. Even if you look at Meg’s original most, it still had that ski slope that her father has.

The results of those two mixing will be interesting.

*nose not most.

'Hot Felon' Jeremy Meeks would make better looking babies for NUTMEG.

Megs, when you're ready, and life is not as it seems to be, and you find yourself in need of financial support, call me. I know people.

Most of the media treats Harry/Meghan as if they're some young, in love couple, when Meghan is already older than Diana was when Diana died. Kate is a few months younger than Markle and the mother of three children. It's a lot more like Edward and Sophie Rhys-Jones, who was thirty-four when she married him. The tabloids gave it the old college try attempting to romance up or glamorize the occasion, but pretty much failed. Sophie and Edward went on to have a couple of kids pretty quietly and without a lot of to do.

While Kate was 30 or near it when she married William, she'd actually BEEN young and in love when they were first dating, and the country was very familiar with her by the time she married him. The whole "oh the fairy tale!" part of it is weird to me when Meghan will be 40 in three years. I also think that makes the whole "will this last" thing even more fragile.

[quote] Little Diana Doria Elizabeth

Not going to happen. The Queen has veto power over the names of children of the Royal Family. (To prevent such silliness as Princess Bambi.)

There are traditional names used within the RF - (Charlotte is a perfect example.)

There is no way the Queen will OK a Princess Diana. (Maybe as part of the name, like Princess Charlotte Elizabeth Diana.)

And only a fame whore like Sparkle would want to saddle her child with the name Diana with its sad connotations.

The Queen would definitely give that the Thumbs Down.

Can one of the Brits on here enlighten me about the schedules of such people as Prince Harry and his prospective wife?

Who decides which engagements they will go to? How many? Location? Importance? Official standing? Sensitive topics? How much input will this pair have as to where they will be cutting ribbons.

I understand that the Queen, who loved her time as a young married with little children and missed the years that were cut short when she became queen unexpectedly, is happy to let William and Kate with their your children have a light schedule.

But what will be required of Harry & Sparkle? Can they refuse to go? Can they complain?

They released some stats about the number of engagements each working royal did and Harry was the laziest of the young royals.

R34 - you're probably right that Diana would be vetoed but Harry may throw a temper tantrum and the Queen may give in. It would be a hard name to live with - and live up to. But Ginger is too daft to think about the difficulties of a girl being given the name of his tragic mother.

Fun fact: Andrew and Fergie had the name Annabel picked out for their eldest daughter. The Queen had a fit and made them choose something more dignified (Beatrice was the result). The reason: Annabel's is the name of ritzy London nightclub named after Camilla's sister. How tacky? LOL.

I think harry and Meagain gonna be quite active until she gets preggo.

Gurl loves the press and gonna push her "humanitarian" image as much as she can before the kid arrives.

Anne has grandkids named Mia, Isla and Savannah. But then those kids don’t have titles.

A big queen i know has a dog named Savannah.

I think the fact that Anne refused titles for her children eliminates any unhappy possibilities like a Princess Fifi. Her daughter's name is "Zara".

Edward & Sophie, however, who do have titles - their children are James and Louise.

As for any of Harry's temper tantrums about a name, consider that William's daughter Charlotte's name already incorporates his mother's name.

No way the Queen will permit the name Diana as a first name. And should QEII die before the natal event, Prince Charles who would be king, would be even less likely to permit it.

I read that Diana wanted to name one of her sons "Oliver" but was vetoed.

Moocher Megs wants fame and the free childcare under the friends & Family plan, so she'll do her best to get knocked up ASAP ... with or without Harry's help.

She seems royal alright -- a royal pain in the arse!

Prince Charles is sort of a weird combination of stuffy and new age. I think he'd be fine with unconventional royal names. Princess Anne said "Zara" was Charles' idea as a name.

I think out of sheer common sense nobody is going to name their child "Diana".

The original...

Trying to copy, even down to the sunglasses.

Wow.

If they divorce she’ll be fine. She’ll go back to lifestyle blogging ala Goop along with getting a higher level of product advertising available. Fergie had those offers on the table but screwed it up by being a mess.

Meg and Harry give zero fucks about royal protocol and tradition.

Half the articles about them are about how she’s breaking all the rules and changing everything.

Choosing a different florist is hardly a big breaking of rules.

If only that was what they were talking about R49

So how long do we think this marriage is going to last ?

R48 Lilibet and Philip rule the RF and when they have had enough Meghan will be put to the side and kept away from media. British tabloids are rude and this is just first months, honeymoon, One day tabloids will turn their tide and it won’t be pretty.

Harry has to have heard about her Diana obsession. Wouldn't that creep you the fuck out to find out your partner had some sort of fixation on your dead parent?

This will be like Lisa Marie Presley's short marriage to Nic Cage.

What stands out about the Meghan in Africa picture is how contrived her hair is. All volumized and tossed to the side.

Those pictures at R44 and R45 are rather startling.

Should we be looking for other copycat shots?

I think Harry is full of himself with this one - convinced he's landed a combination of his mother and Michelle Obama, and also righteously rebelling against convention. He thinks he's one upped everyone. Meantime he's got an opportunist who always knows where the camera is, who is going to be bored out of her mind with him in under a year and bored with the life in under three years, and as soon as he realizes she doesn't worship him anymore, it'll get ugly.

Was reading in Vanity Fair that he routinely cheated on past girlfriends, that Chelsy Davy dumped him a bunch of times over it, and that he was seeing another woman in the early stages of his romance with Meghan, and it was well-known in that girl's social circle. He's a combination of spoiled and needy, and I think very immature. Hope he does have kids, though, since he seems to want them. The Queen probably gives him a lot of leash, as she did Andrew.

DL seems to have become a haven for modern day psychics.

Perhaps I'll consider relocating.

It was revealed in the Morton book that Meghan was like the 4th or 5th girl Harry took on that trip to Botswana. He’s a shit boyfriend. She’s a shit girlfriend/wife. They are made for each other but are both so shitty it still won’t work.

I don't get the negativity about them both. They're imperfect but not diabolical. He seems to be genuinely in love with her and she seems, at least, starry-eyed. Maybe it will work. I do think it's good for the royal family. Harry is their current star.

It's like standing on a hilltop watching 2 far off trains approaching each other about to crash and being too far away to do anything.

Except in this case, the engineer in the first train is clueless about what is about to happen. And the engineer of the second train is aiming for the first.

And other nearby watchers are cheering them on because they think it's all fine and dandy.

It seems like DLers don't want Harry and Meagain to work. But I'd actually like to see the do-nothings William and Kate face a rocky marriage. It would be quite the tabloid sensation.

William and Kate are boring, and that's the way it should be.

I don't think it's a matter of what DLers want, it's looking at what's out there about these two and seeing the writing on the wall.

Harry and Megan are boring, yet DL seems to hate her hustle. Every girl is going to look like a gold digger when marrying a prince, I don't care if they are worth Bezo billions you can't deny the prestige of the position. She seems rather relatable and is pulling off a big feat for a bi-racial girl from a broken home.

I really like Harry and want her to succeed. Kate and William aren't so much boring as they are off in their own little world.

[quote] But I'd actually like to see the do-nothings William and Kate face a rocky marriage.

Classic response from the "We Love Sparkle" crowd.

As if attacking Kate will make Sparkle look better.

It won't.

Sparkle's problems are of her own making.

Will and Kate are dull as dishwater. Diana and Sarah Ferguson breathed some personality and pizzazz into the royal family which has made them more accessible and relatable whether we want to admit it or not. Time will tell if Harry and Meagain are worth the trouble.

If she truly was a girl from a humble background who worked hard to build success and found a prince I think everyone would be cheering for her. But she's conducted herself pretty horribly. There is nothing admirable about her and nothing here to cheer.

Kate and William will NEVER give up her marriage. William doesn't look like he has the emotional stamina to search for a new bride, he seems very weak. Kate knows that this is as good a life that she will ever get. If things get rocky they can live separate lives in their palaces and follow the family tradition of fucking their upper crust friends.

Kate and Meghan better keep these men.

So she played a little dirty; she still bagged a prince. She came from Hollywood, what did you expect? She still beat out millions of other girls that would have killed to marry Harry. Trust me, he is a catch.

Why anyone would want to marry into the Royal Family is beyond me. Sounds incredibly boring and confining.

I'm sure a gaggle of women and girls have pursued the men of the family, but Sparkle appears to have taken it to a new level. Only exposing the idiocy of her intended.

R68 Typical Sugar delusion alert.

There were not millions of girls who wanted Harry, there were few dozens of harlots.

Nazi Harry is no price when you can catch a billionaire who will give you an easy life without the tabloid poison. Why do you think no clever artisto girl ever wanted to marry him? Cause they knew who is was and that the RF didn't worth it.

As for Kate and William, they will stay together cause nothing is worth the trouble of a royal divorce when you can have a separate life and a discreet lover.

Exactly. There were not millions of girls after Harry. The ones in his circle didn't want him - they were already in the royal circles, had access, had family money and plenty of freedom and playtime.

I don't think the Markle/Harry match says much about Meghan's cleverness as it does expose Harry and the RF. Harry thinks he's got Michelle Obama/Kate Middleton/his mom all in one package, or thinks that's what OTHER people think when they see Meghan. I also think he switched to liking brunettes after hanging out with his sister-in-law all this time - apparently he two-timed Meghan early on with a brunette Burberry model who is of that same Pippa, Kate, Meghan mold.

This is a train wreck because they don't know each other. Their courtship was covert, glamorous, jet-setting. Now it's bunk in at KP and every once in awhile pull together some borrowed clothes and show up for some event that is exactly like the previous event you attended, meeting the same "fans" who say the same things, and act interested. Meghan probably enjoyed her social climbing - cultivating wealthy and connected friends like the Mulroneys and Serena Williams. Now she's got Harry, she's got nothing to do but "learn" the royal ways, and I think she's going to be bored to death. She doesn't have a family home to escape to. She's not hooked up with aristo friends in the U.K. where she can weekend. She's stuck with Harry in that 2-room cottage in KP in the middle of London, and the whole thing is like living on campus.

Meghan liked her lifestyle blog, posting pics of herself in a bikini doing yoga. She liked photo shoots. She liked the red carpet. She liked beach vacations with her girlfriends and going to the spa. There are pics of Harry "helping" her, and I think pretending to be interested and pretending he can actually teach her stuff is going to wear very very thin with her and she's going to check out mentally. I think she'll stick it out because what else is she going to do when she's 40? She's a terrible actress. But it's going to be ugly.

R57, it's DL. There's no topic we don't automatically know everything about.

[quote] the whole thing is like living on campus.

Not Sparkle's experience, as apparently she loved to party at Northwestern.

I cannot imagine signing up for the Royal Family without a firm bunch of family and trusted, long term friends as a support system.

Sparkle has apparently discarded any long time friends and hit whatever family she did have with a slap with the "the family I never had" reference at Christmas.

She's on her own, except for ass kissers who will suck up or paid staff who owe allegiance to the Royal Family and certainly not to her.

This life is not what she has imagined it will be.

Wasn't Harry interviewed a few years ago whining about being single and 'whoever will have me" type of stuff. I would agree a lot of aristo girls stayed far, far away from this guy. Except for desperate Cressida Bonas who Harry treated like crap.

He's hunter trash, so who cares.

Dumped by Harry. Cressida was so upset that she was given "compassionate leave of 10 days from work."

[quote]This is a train wreck because they don't know each other. Their courtship was covert, glamorous, jet-setting. Now it's bunk in at KP and every once in awhile pull together some borrowed clothes and show up for some event that is exactly like the previous event you attended, meeting the same "fans" who say the same things, and act interested.

R71. Good point

You're all just nasty cynics. I'm really pulling for those two kids. Call me a romantic fool, but I want MAGIC!

R70 I really don't think it will come to Will and Kate being unhappy together or deciding to go that route with the cheating etc.

William has had it pounded into his head since he was born what he role and obligations were. I think it sunk in with him. He saw what a disaster his parents marriage was when his father thought he could keep a discreet lover. And the Middletons are a solid, tight family. The family he never had, if you will. I think that was a big part of why Kate appealed to him. I think both of them are pretty much settled into the idea of this is the life they have and they will carry on with the obligations he was born into and she signed up for when she married him without much fuss. I think Will really loves Kate and is happy with his kids and Kate is happy being a wife and mother. Neither one seems to be overly thrilled with their royal obligations but they both seem happy with their family life.

I see CB didn't post about the last Daily Fail article about Meghan googling Harry before their "blind date" and ghosting Gina.

How predictable...

CB has Meghan so weirdly on a pedestal, the fall will be hard and brutal.

They are using the royal wedding to help end period stigma. You can’t make this shit up.

It gets weirder every day and it’s like they are going out of their way to think up kooky ways to get attention.

R82 It's Meghan's charity.

She did work with them before cause there's a lot of stigma about menstruation in India.

It's not really glamorous, but for once I think it's useful.

I don’t mind the charity but when you have menstration and the royal wedding in the same sentence you know the BRF has jumped the shark.

I love this comment someone posted in response to the article at R82

[quote]"Man scans with scrupulous care the character and pedigree of his horses, cattle, and dogs before he matches them; but when he comes to his own marriage he rarely, or never, takes any such care."........- Charles Darwin (The Descent of Man).

Her pseudo-humanitarian work, set up by the publicist who's now outed her for the ruthless climber she is, is the primary reason I dislike this woman. Her non-stop boasting about the little charity work she's done makes her even more insufferable.

Even if her humanitarian work is nothing more than what it is - Third World photo-ops designed to get her in with the Bill Gates set - they reek of White Man's Burden. An American Z-list ACTRESS going to India for a few days to tell Indians to change their culture to make it like that of the West, is just condescending, especially in a place like India, where homegrown feminists are very brave, outspoken and determined to make progress.

Celebitchy is full of Cinderella fetishists, most of whom seem to be white, career women claiming to be woke - their devotion to Megs is solely because she's half-black, even though she seems to identify as white.

These "Third Wave" feminists give the lie to everything feminism is supposed to stand for, otherwise why would they be idolizing, not Indira Gandhi, who actually did somethings, bad and good, but Megs Markle, whose only claim to anything is a couple trips overseas to raise her own charity profile, a supporting role on a basic cable network, and the nabbing of a borderline-retarded "prince"?

A woman who only three months into a very long-distance relationship had decided to quit her "career" and give up everything for a man? A really dumb man, when Megs claims to be so fiercely intelligent.

No, it only makes sense if you factor in that Harry is stunningly wealthy and a prince. But the Celebitches have a huge disconnect there - they refuse to face the fact that their WOC, feminist idol is only a fame/money-grubbing, modern-day Becky Sharp.

I actually think dumb bitch Kaiser has figured Megs out and is now just trolling the Celebitches, because she posted a picture with Megs tongue stuck out. There's a poster called FarmFresh or something, who also trolls the Celebitches and they're too stupid to figure out her over-the-top praise is sarcasm.

I always assumed Meg’s fan base consisted of young black or biracial women who look at Meg making her way into the BRF as some sort of personal accomplishment on their part and fraus who are around the age Diana would be who have a soft spot for her boys and want them to be happy. But I guess I can see the woke white woman faction too.

R81 Because they hate Kate and attack her regularly like a pack of rabid dogs . Meghan is the Not-Kate , the second coming of Christ right now .

I think Meghan fanbase is 90% white women who see themselves as woke and educated. Just look how they comment on other posts, it's always a big contest about who gonna be the most patronizing.

There's also tons of projection involved.

They see themselves in Meghan : beautiful woke and successful (whatever the reality). But also an outsider who faced huge racism but succeed anyway ( even if Meghan is barely black). And most of all, above Kate who is basically a stay at home mum with a classic rural taste for homemade chutney.

And I too think Kaiser is starting changing her point of view on Meghan and doesn't praise her as much as before. Even her can smell something is fishy.

Remember the royal family in the 80s? Diana was a rockstar. She was loved for her fashion sense but also for being hands-on with her adoring crowds. Even in the United States, we saw her face on the cover of People Magazine at least once a month. Remember her dancing with John Travolta at the White House? Even after she divorced, she was still more popular than the "official" royal family. After she passed away, the royal family went back to being dull and gloomy like it was pre-Diana. Kate is very pretty, but she doesn't like to leave her house, never mind get dressed up. Meghan thinks she will fill that void. She's already hugging the well-wishers at her public appearances. After she's sealed the deal with the wedding, you can bet the glamorous, sexy outfits are going to come out. She's going to bring back that glamour so that she can ride the wave. And even though she's married to the spare, she can get just as many People magazine covers. There were times when Fergie eclipsed Diana, especially after she lost weight. Eclipsing Kate will be much easier; Kate will be happy not to compete.

Diana happened organically. Meg is trying to force her way into recreating what Diana had. You can’t fake, force or stage that kind of thing. It’s something that happens on its own.

Yes, you're right 91. Diana didn't plan it. It was kind of her way of coping with what was going on in her marriage. I think that initially she wanted to be more glamorous and worldly to attract the attention of the man who was already supposed to love her. She never won that, but she instead got the affections of millions of people.

True, r91. And you also have to remember that Diana happened in a very different time and cultural landscape. Three tv channels, no internet, etc. People had far fewer options for entertainment/escapism back then, and Diana really delivered.

Ma Middleton didn't play the long game for years in order to let Kate be upstaged by a crass American grifter.

That being said, no doubt Ma is delighted that Harry managed to find the one person who could make Lazy Kate and her own grifting family look less like the extreme social mountaineers they are. All Kate has to do is show up a couple times a week dressed like the Queen Mum, smile a few times for all 20 minutes of her "engagement," then helicopter back to the palace and change into her jeggings for her ten-hour extreme exercise routines, while Nanny & Staff take care of it all.

And for that minimal effort, Kate looks regal compared to Sparkle and her non-stop showboating. All Ma's hard work attempting to make Kate queenly didn't achieve nearly as much as Harry simply falling victim to a narcissistic stalker.

In her early interviews, it was obvious that Diana was actually quite a genuinely sweet person. The horrors that came later no doubt hardened her, and led to the mental illnesses she exhibited, but she was only 19 when the global circus started, and she should be given a pass for that and for the fact that Diana did truly care. No one made her touch AIDS patients, at a time when people were terrified to even breathe the air near them. For all her flaws, Diana was one-of-a-kind. Too bad her sons are just worthless, and the women they've chosen simply unacceptable.

Photos of Diana and Fergie poking Charles and Andrew in their asses with their umbrella tips at Ascot still make me laugh. Those two were magnificent together. I hope Harry and Megan bring back some bloody humor to this boring mess

R94 OT, but Maria Feodorovna tried to explain to Alix (Alexandra Feodorovna) all Nicky (Nicholas II) needed to do was to show up once in a while for people who wanted to see him. Alix never understood it. Maria tried but it was impossible to get it to her daughter in law’s mind. Royals need to show up for people wanting to see them. QEII understands this very well.

I don't know r6 people make money from social media as well. How big were the numbers for her blog The Tig?

She endorsed a lot of product on her blog, that can earn you some nice cash.

If Diana had only lived into the digital age and had a twitter acount.

They are selling this on the Buckingham Palace site? Really? No, really? It looks cheap AF.

I wonder if she and Harry get a cut of the proceeds?

Remember Fergie complaining that she had to look like a princess without actually having the financial means to do so.... Megs in for a lof that, no way is ginger going to be allowed to blow his inheritance to keep her in style

R99. Hilario us. I believe I'll purchase one for my dear mother as a joke.

Sparkle is doing pretty good so far, r101.

R82, the women in India need all the help they can get, from whomever. So good for MM on this endeavour. I don't see it as a "white man's burden" thing. And I'll bet Indian feminists don't either.

Play rings for little girls have bands like that. I don't know an adult woman who wears a ring with an adjustable band. But then Meg's little sugars are all little girls, mentally if not chronologically so I guess it's fitting.

Meggles is already outspending Kate, no mean feat, but in any case it's Charles, not his sons, who spends for the wives' clothes, or rather, the British taxpayer.

The women in India do not need the help of a primarily white, and almost completely unknown American who enthusiastically gave up her entire life to marry into the institution responsible for colonizing India. There's a lot of work to do in India, but a lot of Indians to do it. The last person who should be lecturing Indians, and raising funds for them as if they are helpless darkies, is a member of the BRF.

R106 has an agenda and is triggered!

India was better off as a British colony, believe me. Some people just can't govern themselves. Northern Ireland also comes to mind.

Charity from the wealthy is a poor substitute for justice. Former colonies don't need rich (and usually white) people to "raise awareness" of their issues--they have activists in their own countries doing that. What they do need from rich people is to stop the unjust laws, trade imbalances, propping of corrupt governments and violence that perpetuates inequality and oppression. And if they can't manage that, the least they can do is create forums for those activists to be heard--and then sit down and shut the fuck up so they can be heard. But no royal-wannabe is going to call out the British government for its brutal history in helping lay the groundwork for long-term intractable poverty in India, which is now directly connected to why so many women can't afford sanitary napkins. Just like a certain actress who claims to care so much about refugees is never going to alienate her fans by criticizing their consumer choices or their governments' role in creating refugee crises. Just like a certain band's frontman is not going to acknowledge that the same tax schemes that protect his vast wealth also ensure the extreme chasm in wealth between rich and poor both nationally and internationally. And so on.

We appreciate Megan's great work and don't consider ourselves to be patronised.

What "great work?" She wrote an essay and couldn't be bothered to name a single Indian woman who's been working on this issue.

I can't finish reading r109's screed because I'm late for a spa appointment.

Her work in raising awareness about the issue.

I'm sure she's done a great job letting you know how much she cares, R113. But I seriously doubt she's given you a clue as to how your government or your consumer choices contribute to the problem.

But hey, maybe you'll give $10 to some random charity someday and they you can say how much you care too!

Cressida Bonas wants to act and may have enjoyed getting her name out there via Harry. The day after the engagement was announced she posted some "wise saying" on instagram that it doesn't matter how rich, beautiful blah blah you are, what matters is how you treat people. Nobody knows if it were aimed towards Harry or Meghan.

An agent who worked with Meghan is out there mildly trashing her. She helped hook Meghan up with charities - which IS a thing. Gets you face time with the media, with philanthropists, etc. Meghan dumped her by email when she didn't need her anymore, but the woman still has a thriving business with clients that include Diana's brother, Earl Spencer. She mentions Meghan in an airport lounge being asked to move when some diplomats arrived, and that she was not happy about it. I think Meghan Markle sees herself as an Amal Clooney type or an Angelina Jolie - I think Jolie is fake but you know what I mean - looking ravishing, living expensively, the star of the show, and getting humanitarian cred left and right. Someone on some comments section said they think she and Harry will try to patronize as many global entities as they can so they can get out of the U.K. and live how Meghan likes - sun, sand, surf, ocean, limelight, cash.

I don't think the BRF will let her be the Angelina Jolie of the BRF. I think she'll be spending way more time than she expected sitting around a conference table talking about British tweed manufacturing or farming equipment in some unremarkable county outside London. A couple of times a year she and the other three will get together to talk about Heads Together or she'll go somewhere w/Harry for the Invictus games, and that will be the highlight. I also think she's going to have a way smaller wardrobe budget than Kate.

Meggie is borrowing, Charles isn't giving her money til she's married, and even then nobody knows what her allowance will be. What Kate spent on clothes last year has been released and I'd bet anything Camilla's clothing budget buries it - barely over 100k.

Meghan has worn about ten coats in her public appearances so far, I guarantee we won't see more than three of them again because those are the ones she owned prior to Harry and the other her assistant boxed up and sent back to Jessica's friend who sent it to the designer Jessica influenced to loan it to Meghan. Probably same with shoes.

Prince Harry doesn't have the money to set up a household of his own. If he weren't royal, he has the kind of money that would let him rent an expensive flat in an expensive part of London, never work, and jet set around. Not purchase an estate, staff it, and dress his wife in couture or high end designer every day, particularly since she can't borrow and can't take those sorts of gifts. As a royal, he lives free at KP (so do Beatrice and Eugenie, or did), so that frees up even more of his disposable income.

His mother's estate, once taxes were paid, and after bequests, was evenly divided between himself and William, broken into two trusts. One of the trusts seems to be a resource for their projects, the other generates trust income, but not the sort of trust income that would let him buy an Amner Hall, staff it up, and live like Kate and William. On his "own" money (what he inherited from Diana) he can live like a comfortable trust fund baby. It might be the same with William and William's "own" money but William has what Harry doesn't - the prospect of being the heir, so he receives the money to live in the style he'll be accustomed to once Charles is King and he, William, oversees the Duchy of Cornwall and its income, AND he has his wife's millionaire parents as a value ad. Harry has neither of those things, even though the queen and Charles will probably Andrew him up, meaning buy him and his wife a house somewhere (but not as grand as Amner Hall), throw a custom tiara Meghan's way (so as not to waste a family heirloom on her) and supplement his income, but not to the extent Kate's is supplemented, and they probably won't travel in the same style Kate/William + kids and Charles/Camilla travel on official business either.

As mentioned upthread, Megs isn't getting gifted anything, at least not officially because the tax implications are just too much of a headache to have to deal with. So any property Harry gets will be set up in a way to protect it from the IRS and Meg won't get a tiara, not one that she officially owns, because the taxes that would have to be paid would be insane. It will take a while for her citizenship status to get situated (it's a few years, isn't it?) and as long as she is an American citizen she won't be gifted jack shit. After that, well by the time she can become a UK citizen the bloom will be off the rose. So yeah, jack and shit will be it.

R109:

[quote]...the least they can do is create forums for those activists to be heard--and then sit down and shut the fuck up so they can be heard.

Spoken like a sincere but clueless 15-year-old girl who just wants to be heard. And thinks that people in power need to set up "forums" for "activists" to be "heard," with only these activists allowed to talk.

Honey, this ain't your forum and you're the one who needs to shut the fuck up so we can hear what the thread is actually about. It ain't your naivete. Go do your homework.

Meghan can get a freaking tiara. I'm American and I didn't pay tax on my wedding gifts.

The rule is (from Business Insider) "If Markle accepts an allowance or other form of "income" in the UK exceeding $104,100, she will have to pay US taxes on that money."

A gifted tiara isn't income. I don't think Meghan has to worry about Charles or Harry giving her an annual separate income of $104k. She might officially be a dependant wife and Harry pays for everything, and Charles pays Harry. Plenty of ways to get around it.

"You may or may not be subject to the tax based on your average annual net income tax for the past five years, whether you complied with your federal tax obligations during that time or whether your net worth is $2 million or more. Your net worth is calculated including everything from investment accounts to real estate to other assets like art work and other personal property, including assets held overseas, Ashman said."

Harry got something mildly substantial from Diana but got even more from his grandmother, The Queen Mum. She adored both her great grandsons but knew William would always be taken care of and left more of her personal wealth to Harry.

This wedding looks quite rushed.

I wonder why, it's not like she's preggo.

On the contrary, Meghan is very interesting. I watched the first couple if seasons of Suits, so I knew who Meghan was before the Harry thing started. It is remarkable how bad her acting was. Patrick Adams is no great actor, but he is Marlon Brando next to Meghan. Beth Behrs from 2 Broke Girls could probably act Saturn circles around Meghan Markle. Blake Lively is Katharine Hupburn next to Meghan. And her character was dressed horribly compared to other major female characters (Donna and Jessica) - cheap and ill-fitting, so I don’t know what is more surprising, the whole dating a prince thing or being called a fashion icon. Her rise to international stardom was fascinating, especially considering that she didn’t have someone like Carole Middleton choreographing her every move. She was in fact almost worryingly successful, like Polycrates, so it will be interesting to see how it ends.

She did't have Carole but had Gina.

Before meeting Harry she was like dozens and dozens of other starlets who get a supporting character role in some small cable show and perhaps a lead role in some Lifetime/Hallmark movie.

It's Gina who crafted her image + she pimped herself in Toronto meeting some influential haz beens and making friend with third rated stylist.

The only surprising thing here is to see how naive Harry is. I think the RF has no illusion about Markle but they also know that Harry is able to marry her at Vegas if they don't give him what he wants.

I thought the Queen Mum was in debt up to her eyeballs when she died and that the Queen had to pay her bills off.

If true, that means Harry & William didn't get anything from their great-grandmother.

I'll bet Sparkle never considered that the IRS would be watching her finances with a greedy eye. Someone posted a link a while back about taxing an American who marries a non-American and the taxes involved were not pretty.

I hope she saved some of her supposed $5million fortune (as if) because Uncle Sam will be calling with his hand out.

And I don't think the Royal Family will be paying her taxes for her.

The IRS is a pain in the ass when it comes to expats and it pains me further to say that it wss under the Obama administration that it became so. Not to worry about Sparklr. Te RF solicitors will ensure she pays as little USA taxes as possible

No way she has a 5$ millions fortune, not even a 1$ million fortune.

Sugars act like she was the lead of a A list tv show. She had a (very) comfortable life but a lot of that was leeching to her richer friends.

Didn't that link about the tax situation say that she would have to pay a chunk of taxes on the engagement ring?

As a matter of fact, R114, she has advocated for the Myna Mahilia Foundation and menstrualhygieneday.org. What have you done lately, besides bitching?

[quote] I'm actually most interested in her financial situation and how it impacts the marriage

I read something about her having to share her finances with the U.S government since she is living in England. She will have to keep doing that, unless she becomes a British citizen AND gives up her American citizenship

She did advocate about it, I just think it was more a PR ploy than real profound convictions.

Meghan has always loved the Lady Di/ Mother Theresa image. It's a mix of sincerity and feel-good charity "look at me being charitable and awesome".

I'd like to know about her anonymous stuff, does she do any charity or volunteer job when there's no camera. It's the only way to know if she's really sincere and candid about it.

Does DL believe in the validity of "The Beard Club" Tweets & pics? They've been rivaling CDAN for cray-cray gossip. Guess it's all just a bunch of click-bait to earn advertising $$$ for the authors, and to entertain the silly little flyovers who crave something fun to break up their boring days.

And the silly little urbanites going stir crazy in their matchbox apartments.

What are you speaking about? ^^^

I never saw anyone saying MM is a beard.

R135, It's a touchy subject on DL. So I recommend you look it up on Twitter. There's a lot of pictures.

R134, I live alone in a huge 2 bedroom condo with an enclosed patio and front yard, and co-own other investment property so I know you're not talking about me.

Harry is a spoiled rotten, petulant man-child who is possibly mildly retarded.

The Queen Mother left her entire estate, minus bequests to the staff, to the queen. It's on line.

Meghan's charity work was branding and profile building. You can't just volunteer yourself for these trips and speaking roles. You network your ass off, make as many connections as you can, build your name, and then an agency takes you on and gets you part of these events. It's all part of the image she wanted. I keep thinking - what did she want? And I think at age 34 she wanted an upgrade in her second husband. She knew the acting thing wasn't going to last forever since it depended upon her wearing thousands of dollars of skin tight skirts, and no matter how good she looked you need to be youngish to do that, not fortysomething or nobody cares. Her acting chips are pretty flat and fairly mediocre. She leveraged one connection with the other. When she made pals of Jessica Mulroney and Serena Williams, it was a big step up. These are also contacts she could never have made in L.A. while working on a minor show like Suits. Getting to film in the relatively small show biz world of Toronto gave her access to a level of Toronto celebrity she'd never have had in L.A., where she'd have been hanging with low ranked reality stars.

It's worth noting that her clothing line for Canadian chain Reitmans came out the same day or week as the Harry letter that caused such a stir, the inflammatory one that it's pretty obvious that she and her lawyers wrote for Harry to release. From the beginning, she was determined to get whatever publicity she could from sad, dim Harry.

R138, yes, it's true that the Queen Mother left her entire estate to the Queen, but the story has been told that, some years before her death, she distributed her wealth to her great grandchildren.

Her great grandchildren are Zara, Peter, William, Harry, Louise, James, Beatrice, Eugenie, etc., and if Eugenie and Beatrice don't have great wealth from it, and they don't, and we don't even know that she did that, neither does Harry. Everyone always tries to big up Harry but now that he's getting married we'll see exactly how much money he actually doesn't have. The wedding is going to cost far more than he's even worth, which is absurd.

Who'a gonna spring for Eugenie's wedding? And honeymoon? 14,000 pounds a year "wine merchant" Jack?

R139 I don't exactly agree here.

If you read Gina's interview she said that she was the one who built Meghan's charity profile. When she met her Meghan didn't have charity credits and Meagain asked her to built this profile. She used Gina's network to get those charity photo-shots in Africa and all, she didn't have her own network.

I wonder who worked on Tig with her. I doubt she did it alone. Is this person going to speak?

Like I wonder have we any proof that she actually graduated from University?

There are people out there on Tumbler who have all of the details R144. I don't follow it as closely as they do, but I seem to remember them uncovering the PR team behind The Tig, it might have actually been that Gina woman's company. And I think that's where the Serena Williams "friendship" (if they are so close why wasn't Meg at Serena's wedding?) comes in, they were represented by the same people. Everything is fake and manufactured.

Serena is also very good friend with DL's fav Colton "Tragic Drama Queen" Haynes.

She seems to have a taste for famewhores, and she's not the brighest bulb. Great athlet and champion tho.

R144, but that's what I was saying - it takes a team to get you onto the high profile charity circuit. And you have to network and build up your name enough to where someone like Gina thinks they can take you on and help transition you to that level. Meghan having a bff like Jessica Mulroney would help, her background would help if it were presented properly, etc. Gina did need some material to work with. Same with the red carpet - you do as much media as you can, no matter how minor, and hope the celebrity or event division of an agency takes you on and gets you paid to appear - club openings, television premieres, vodka partnerships, etc.

So I googled to get as much as I could quickly get about Harry's finances. First off, the money Diana left him and William (equally) is set up in a trust so neither one can touch the capital (two trusts, actually - one sort of a fund to fund stuff, ad the other more living income), AND it was hit hard with the U.K. version of estate taxes. The sovereign is exempt from those, but not Harry and William. So they each have the income from their half of Diana's. The queen mother (Eliz II's) mother did not leave money to Harry. She left it to her grandchildren, which would be Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward, Sarah (Chatto) and David Armstrong Jones. The amount divided (in trust, of course) among those six was about 10 million GBP.

Money always dilutes down generations. Especially with the British royal family, since the real money tends to be passed from sovereign to sovereign to keep the monarchy self-supporting and because the sovereign is exempt from death tax. And so not to dilute it. The royal family is like one big welfare concern for its relatives.

Prince Charles is obligated to and expected to provide for his sons and their spouses/families - fill in the gaps, as it were - but its discretionary. He does release what Kate's clothes cost - interested to see if he actually give Meghan a clothing allowance. And the queen can hand out gifts - but sometimes those gifts are access to something, like, here's the keys to a terrific cottage on the grounds of Sandringham that we refurbished just for you - but Harry and William don't own that cottage.

So the estimate is that Harry's annual INCOME is a robust approximate 400k gbp. He can't by an estate property with that income unless it's mortgaged heavily, or pay his own staff. If he bought his own estate, hired a staff, and paid for Meghan's high end clothing AND maintained his own string of polo ponies he'd go broke fast. A lot of the extra stuff is filled in by Charles, but Charles can decide.

Kensington Palace is like a high end council flat or project - a whole bunch of royals get stuffed there, and then shuffle around when someone dies. If they could afford to live like that under their own income, they probably would. Who wants to live in a compound surrounded by your relatives and cousins, etc.?

She really doesn't know what she's getting herself into. Her life will be dictated by her father-in-law. She will have zero control, especially if she gives up her US citizenship, which it looks like she'll be pressured to so that Chuck doesn't have to mess around with the IRS. Even her children won't be hers. What an idiot.

She's a narcissist for sure, and it's kind of not sad that she's going to be done in by her own immense self-regard.

I checked in how David Armstrong Jones, Princess Margaret's son, manages to live in the style on his 1/6 of the Queen Mother's 10 million. His mother gifted him her house in Mystique - when it was sold, he bought his current house in Provence (that's where Kate Middleton was papped topless). He married an heiress.

Sarah Chatto married an actor (who actually appeared in "Charles and Diana - a love story") who was the son of a successful actor and theatrical agent.

Too bad Harry's previous girlfriend, Chelsy Davy, didn't want the royal life. If the monarchy ever went bust they'd be set because her family is loaded. Marrying someone with money is how this lesser royals supplement their income and achieve some independence outside of grants and gifts from the sovereign. I was reading some account of William and Kate in something like Vanity Fair, but not VF. The premise is that William is dubious about the long-term viability of the monarchy and he has set himself up perfectly with an exit strategy. Married to a girl with rich, close parents who would do anything for him, and also provide him and her a place to escape royal life that's still family. Pippa marrying someone super rich just doubles down on that value ad. He loves his work as a helicopter pilot and could easily do it the rest of his life. He dislikes royal duties (as if we can't all tell). He might be HOPING the monarchy goes bust, who knows, but he's certainly set up well for it. Harry, not so much. He has no property and no means of acquiring any that wouldn't be a gift from grandma or dad. Any living on the royal scale (versus the regular rich scale) is up to Charles and Grandma. Meghan certainly has nothing. Harry, although not the heir, is more tied to the monarchy than William. His army career is done, and if he's not royal, what does he do?

Andrew and Edward both live on Crown Estate properties. Kate and William and Harry and Meghan live on Crown Estate property (KP) when in London. Amner Hall, William and Kate's home near Sandringham, was purchased by Queen Victoria and passed down. Sometimes it was the country estate of this or that extended royal, sometimes it was leased. After they married, it's said Queen E "gifted" it to William and Kate.

In terms of property, the royal family was really living the life before the yacht Brittania was decommissioned. There's video on youtube of that thing sailing past Gilbralter on a blindingly blue summer day, half the queen's family (including her sister) lounging on deck and smoking. The perks are just something else.

One of the reasons Diana chafed was she wasn't a country girl, and while it's fun to live in and visit spectacular royal properties, we're talking rural, with family about. Meghan's gonna be traipsing around the same Scottish and rural English meadows others have for years - let's hope she likes that life and doesn't miss Ibiza, L.A., Barcelona, or even Toronto that much.

Other than the queen and Prince Charles, the only royals with real money, not "comfortable" money plus free housing and other perks, are those who marry it, or leverage their celebrity into a successful business enterprise (Armstrong-Jones makes furniture).

Princess Anne lives in Gatcombe Park. It's privately owned, not Crown Estate, but was purchased for her by the queen. If these non-queen people had as much $$$ as some people think, they'd be buying their own country estates. God knows many of the people they DATE have done so, so why don't they? Not enough $$ is why.

Meghan's best bet is to suck up to the lads and the wives of the lads Harry has partied with for years. She'll be asked for weekends, she'll be on their yachts. Without a network of wealthy connections inviting her and Harry around (maybe William and Kate will ask her to Uncle Gary's), she's stuck with the established lifestyle. It's luxurious, but not a version she can choose.

I bet Meghan couldn't resist the ego charge of landing Harry, and I also bet she was unfamiliar with how the royal family operated. Maybe she has memories of Diana frolicking on Neckers Island (but Diana was a guest of Richard Branson). Or the ski pictures from Klosters every year. She might not know so much of the more glamorous stuff depends on the kindness of a network of friends who own the odd yacht or nightclub. The ROYAL stuff is wearing wellington boots, riding a horse in the countryside, home cooking and playing board games. It's not doing yoga in a micro bikini on the beach or drinking champagne in Tulum. She seemed super vague about the royal family in a 2015 Q&A. I bet Harry didn't spell it out. I bet he was "this job" and "responsibilities", and all that, without really painting the picture of who, what, when and where, that is super specific and out of Meghan's choice. These guys really need to start marrying women who like to ride horses.

It's a world Meghan knows nothing about and is probably having a hard time fitting into. She thinks she's prepared because she was hanging out with some socialites in Toronto. It's not the same world at all. As you say R151, these people hunt and ride horses. Do you think Meg has ever been within 100 feet of horse shit? Some Los Angeles, D-List twit is supposed to feel comfortable with that crowd? I can't imagine most of the crowd Harry socializes with is crazy about her presence.

Cressida had her faults but she is very close to Eugenie and would have eased into that part of the role very easily. Chelsy too, having been raised in Africa was very down to earth in that respect. Cressida doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb but Chelsy is a smart girl. Too bad Harry didn't treat her better.

The more I read about Chelsy, the more I like her. I do think Kate unfairly suffers by comparison. Chelsy, also, relocated to be near Harry (she left Africa and studied in Leeds). Of course she stayed on her career track, because she was always completely ambivalent about the royal thing. Kate, OTOH, always wanted to marry William, didn't have burning career ambitions, so what was she to do? Even when they split up, it was half-hearted. If she pursued a career in earnest, she'd just have to give it up when William was ready. So she had to pursue a career as half-heartedly as their break-up. I think she is a good fit for the royal life because she loves William, loves her kids, loves family life and country life, isn't wild about horses, but ok, isn't wild about royal duties (like a conference room confab at a Land Rover plant), but eh. She IS providing a stable family life after a generation of chaos (Charles and Diana, Andrew and Fergie). That's a job in itself.

Four out of six isn't bad. She's happy. I think she likes William, family, the country, home life so much she doesn't care she has to wear pantyhose, hot roller her hair and show up in a coat dress to pin a corsage on a miniature pony. It's worth it. There's a quote from Chelsy saying the bullshit was worth it to Kate, Kate wanted to be with William. Girls like Kate are hard to find, Charles AND Harry were both turned down a lot. They weren't searching the local barristas and clerks for brides, they were searching the celebrities and aristos, so, a relatively small dating pool. Anyone with enough $$ to live a self-determined life didn't want either of them.

Then you have Meghan, who LOOKS successful, but the reality is: NO family back-up at all - both parents filed for bankruptcy, neither of her parents has assets other than maybe her dad's small pension and SSI. Her half siblings are not a resource $$$. She's been on the same show for seven years. It was her first contract role and her first real success, and in seven years she was unable to build from that to more acting success. All of her "build" was off screen - events, red carpet, articles, networking, etc., and I think she used that to try and catch a Canadian George Clooney or similar. IOW, her acting career was Suits, and nothing else. A small role playing the hot girl. She was mediocre, she was 34. When Suits was cancelled, unless she had a status boyfriend, she was going to be in trouble. That show didn't pay enough to last her the rest of her life, but her "acting" career would be over.

Chelsy studied law while Harry was at loose ends (nobody called him Waity Harry). She worked at Allen & Overy for awhile, then ditched it to start a high end jewelry company using stones "sourced" from her home country and now she owns the damn mine where they get the rocks. How many 32 year olds can do that? Ditch the law career, pivot to jewelry design, and own the damn mine (if the PR is true). Chelsy didn't need Harry, and didn't love him enough to join that family and traipse around Scotland and Yorkshire the rest of her life.

IMO what sealed it for Harry w/Meghan was when they bunked in with the Mulroneys. Son of a Canadian prime minister or had hosted Harry's mother, good friends with Meghan. It gave Meghan the veneer of living a life Harry understood - lots of connections. But it's all fragile, with no money behind it, and Harry, IMO, is too dim to get it, and Meghan is going to have to suck it up. I can't decide if she will, or if she'll start to balk once she has kids. It DOES seem like he's married his mom.

I think there was a point where Chelsy did love him enough and would have put up with the downside of what comes with the relationship but they got together when they were so young and Harry wasn't ready to settle down. He cheated on her a lot. The timing wasn't right. If they met when they were a bit older it might have been a different story. Some people think Chelsy will be Harry's Camilla. Chelsy is probably long over it.

I thin it was getting to the point - a very simple point - where Harry was desperate to get married. He's watching William rapidly build his family unit and Harry was striking out with the girls. Harry got so desperate he turned to Cressida. Then promptly dropped her like a piece of garbage. None of the aristocratic women would go near Will and Harry.

Will "settled" for Kate in the final analysis. Harry wants kids, wants to be the "family man" and at the same time part of a couple mixing with big league international celebrities like the Obamas. Harry isn't even in their league but Harry is already scheming some Big Plans to do cross-country U.S. walks/tours. Harry and Meagan are star-crazed and want to mingle in that stratosphere so badly they can smell it. This is what is behind all this "mental health" shilling they are going on about. These two find causes, and pursue them - get photographed with the right people and figure they're playing the big time philanthropists - albeit with no money behind them. (Hello Fergie!.)

Harry holds the power in that relatonship - she'll soon figure that out. He'll wander around and do as he pleases when he pleases and she'll have absolutely nothing to do or say about it. Because as others have said, she'll be stuck in the U.K. with zero resources of her own, zero network and no way to extricate herself in a dignified way if things go south in the romance department.

What a gamble she's taken.

All the Harry/Meghan stuff in the mainstream media is such sickening puff pieces, reading the DL threads on them is refreshing. DL is probably 100% accurate as to what's really going on.

I bet the sex is wild.

Wild, hot sex only holds people together for so long.

R157, Guess you haven't read all of the rumors on the internet., nor looked at all of the couple's pics at his best bud's wedding in the Bahamas. Wish what you're saying were true, and that blazing hotness always ruled for the twosome happy to be just with each other in their cozy little nest.

Harry will be taken care of in the sense that he will always have an estate and freedom to pursue his interests. Granny and Charles, and I'm sure eventually his brother will always see to that. But I don't see Granny or Charles footing the bill for the wardrobe his wife wants or her endless vacations. They will have to hustle and network for those things. What will be interesting is whether and how she tries to flout the laws about freebies and merching and whether the other royals will put a quick halt to it or look the other way so long as they aren't paying.

R160 you just described Andy and Fergie.

I think Meagain is going to want to be the modern day Royal philanthropist with an opinion. Let's see how much she can do without the RF support.

It's kind of interesting cause some people (Celebitchy) got in a frenzy cause they thought the Obamas and the Trudeaus would go to the wedding and both couples said nope. We're not.

They tend to think that Harry is bff with Obama, which is kind of ridiculous. Obama must see him as dim and speaks to him cause it would be rude to ignore him during official events.

What I mean is that we gonna see with the wedding how much Harry and Meagain really weight. If important people and Royals turn up or if we gonna have minor Royals and people like Posh Beckham and Serena Williams. They're rich but kind of trashy.

Harry has a reputation for setting eyes on some girl, getting her number, and then bombarding her with texts to get her to go out with him. He did it for Meghan, he did it for some Burberry model he had a fling with around the time he met Meghan. It's immature.

I don't think Will settled for Kate. I think he's in love with her. The separation barely lasted any time and when they got back together he was all over her (per an article I read). However, if you're in his position, and you are as immature as he is, have his parents and his history, you are not going to immediately run off with your college sweetheart when you're 22. That's insane, and he knew it. So their whole time line makes sense and pretty much insured they'd go the distance.

Reading up on the royal lifestyle, not only does it turn out that not-sovereign and non-heir royals are often living on Crown Estates property instead of their own, but when they take these glamorous vacations, they're the guest of some rich person or extended family. When Will and Kate were in Provence, they were at his cousin's house. Kate conveniently has an uncle with a villa in the south of France - whenever they're doing sun and fun, they're there. When Pippa had her skiing hen party in France, they took William along so he could hang out with his property-owning friends a 100 miles away, in a plane paid for by the Middletons.

Oddly, Princess Margaret's kids are way more stable than Elizabeth's kids. Still married to their original spouses. Their names helped them succeed, but Sarah Chatto is a successful painter and the vp of the royal drawing school (of course her name got her that one), David Armstrong-Jones used the sale of his mother's house to buy the Provence house and renovate it, then he got himself a job at Christie's, plus he's married to the daughter of an Earl, so there's got to be a nice steady income there, if not huge. He doesn't jet set, he sticks to his Provence home for the most part, which he loves.

Whoever thought Margaret and Snowdon's kids would turn out to be so down-to-earth and stable?

I don't think Margareth's kids had the same kind of pressure, a bit like Zara marrying Mike Tindal.

They were able to have love marriage rather than shitty loveless marriage.

Yeah, the whole Waity Katie thing was such bullshit. William was a teen when his parents divorced and it probably really fucked him up. No doubt he saw and understood everything that was going on, including the fact that a huge part of the problem was how young and naive his mother was when she married and had him. Kate coming from a somewhat stable family by comparison could probably see the value in making sure they were old and mature enough to understand what they were getting into. His and Kate's long dating relationship was for the benefit of them both.

+ Charles was a shitty father and Diana was quite unbalanced. William saw all the shit and was the first witness of all the crisis they went through.

I think William not only married Kate but also the Middleton family. A loving family where people are very close to each others (whatever Carole's ambition) and not as dysfunctional as the Royal family. No wonder he prefers that his kids spend time with the Middleton rather than with his father.

It was smart that Will waited so long to propose to Kate. It's a pretty unique role to be the future queen and he gave her tons of time too see what it would be like and get used to the life. She had a chance to ease into it. Will said he waited so long because he wanted to give her every chance to back out if she saw it wasn't the life she wanted before they got engaged. Not that she was ever gonna let the chance go, but it was the smart way to do it.

Diana didn't get a chance to see that. She just got thrown into it. She thought she knew what she was getting into with her background but she had no idea really and it's the same thing with Meg. Not nearly enough time for either one of them to really see how she likes the role and how she will fit in. Their relationship was short and long distance. How can she possibly know what she's getting into? Maybe that was part of why Harry rushed it, in addition to her age, he didn't want her to back out like his other girlfriends did.

If Diana had lived, you can bet she would've been the biggest pain in the ass, meddling in all of her sons' relationships. No woman would've been good enough for them. As William and Harry reached adulthood, they probably would've been exasperated with her.

The thing with Kate is that she's loyal. William and the RF can see that, they can trust her cause she kept her mouth shut during all those years.

Meagain proved in the past that's she's not loyal and not trustworthy. And she and her friends pretty much organized all the press leaks before the engagement, perhaps to pressure Harry to rush things.

If they divorce it's gonna be a HUGE shitstorm cause she gonna leak shits in every rags for months if not years.

It would have been interesting to see how the RF handled Diana being the mother of the grooms and grandmother to the future king. There was a lot more bad blood with her then than there is with Fergie and I don't think Diana would have made much effort to try to make nice over the years. Those events where she would have had to try to put on a happy show in public would have been fascinating to watch. I wouldn't have been surprised if there was more than one Letizia/Sofia type moment that would have betrayed the inevitable spin.

[QUOTE] [R34] - you're probably right that Diana would be vetoed but Harry may throw a temper tantrum and the Queen may give in. It would be a hard name to live with - and live up to. But Ginger is too daft to think about the difficulties of a girl being given the name of his tragic mother. Fun fact: Andrew and Fergie had the name Annabel picked out for their eldest daughter. The Queen had a fit and made them choose something more dignified (Beatrice was the result). The reason: Annabel's is the name of ritzy London nightclub named after Camilla's sister. How tacky? LOL.

Annabel's night club isn't named after Annabel Shand (Elliot), Camilla's sister.

It is named after Lady Annabel Goldsmith who was then married to Mark Birley, the owner of the club. She has had a very interesting life.

[QUOTE] R164 Whoever thought Margaret and Snowdon's kids would turn out to be so down-to-earth and stable?

Try Googling [BOLD] Viscount Lindley Blackmail [/BOLD]

Viscount Linley and gay sex and coke, 173?

Yes, that's the one.

Auto-correct changed Linley to Lindley - I should change to a U.S. spellcheck.

A little sex and coke. So what?

For you Megan haters firmly ensconced in the cheap seats, the BRF know EVERYTHING about this girl, including the timing of the cycle. With MI6 at their disposal, do you honestly think there is ANYTHING left for them to discover. A full psych profile, complete background and financial forensic investigation. ITS ALL BEEN DONE. She made the cut. She's in. DEAL.WITH.IT!

So, you can continue to munch on Cheetos and drink diet Pepsi and trash her. She on the other hand Is drinking the tears of angels, laughing all the way to KP. I don't particularly like this girl, but the irrational haters annoy me even more.

What's your point R177? Nothing you have said makes any difference to what we are doing here, gossiping on a gossip site. You are annoyed by irrational haters on a website dedicated to pointless bitchery? Then why are you here and what exactly did you expect to find here?

R177, are you the poster "rinse&repeat" at the DM, because you're using the same words " drinking the tears of angels" ? You're also the person who tried to take down the tumblr blogs, right, because they used that same phrase?

The speculation on the DM and on the various royal blogs is that you're Meghan herself.

I don’t get the “drinking the tears” line the sugars all use. Nobody is crying. Everyone just seems pretty entertained by the train wreck.

If there were any tears in this scenario they would have been shed over Meghan’s poor dogs.

I'm already completely sick of this famewhore bitch and the wedding hasn't even happened yet.

Agree, r182.

Everybody is SUPPOSEDLY tired of her, but they can't keep the taste of her name out of their mouths? They want it all over, they want her over, but they keep giving energy to the subject of MEGHAN! r177 here, again, I don't particularly like Megs or see anything special about her, but she def triggers some of you something fierce! Also, never been on Tumblr in my life! Too old for that shit.

r184 = Prince Charles back from Down Under

R177 / R184 IS "rinserepeat"/ Sparkle herself!!!

rinserepeat, London, United Kingdom, 9 hours ago Exactly pinkdye3. One would think the tumblr clowns would realize their lies are A. Not believable as only a fool believes they have any access to the RF or what they think and B. The lies they repeat have had ZERO affect on anyone but them. Harry and Meghan are happy and living their best lives. Can't wait for the wedding. I will scoop up their tears and bath in them. LOL! I hear they make an excellent exfoliant...Camilla told me.

rinserepeat, London, United Kingdom, 9 hours ago Thing 1: Y'alls bitterness is my manna. Thing 2; So let's see. Bogart was adopted in LA but somehow you think her CA EX bf adopted him. Yeah. Anyho...reality is dogs like ppl have illness and anxieties. We don't have a clue why Bogie couldn't travel. Just that he is in a loving home and well cared for. C'mon y'all. Cry me a river of those bitter tears.

rinserepeat, London, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago @Whittney whose team are you and the other deluded tumblr clowns working for. Yes, I'm invested in countering the lies you sad sickos make up and attempt to spread...BUT that's because Meghan is a woman who has worked hard to make her believe happen. She then used that privilege to pay it forward to that other girls and women could do the same. I get why y'all so bent...It's heart breaking to realize how thoroughly some women have internalized miso gyny. Meghan has kept her private life private and there is NOTHING in the known public record which she has done to deserve this rabid hatred. You and those like you really should move on. Harry and Meghan (not you or any lies you create) will determine their destiny.

Harry rushed this because he's getting old and because Meghan was getting even older. There was no time to waste if he wanted to procreate.

As well, Cressida Bonas was a washed out version of Chelsy Davy. I don't think Harry was ever into her that much, and yet when I looked her up, SHE dumped him. He had taken her to some event that led the press to believe there would be an engagement announcement coming soon. Meantime her thoughts were trending to, "I think this fling has run its course" and so she pulled the plug. Her, not him.

Not only did her acting career work out, which is far preferable to marrying Harry, but she looks a lot prettier than she did when she was dating him, and a lot happier.

I think the problem with both boys is/was they were spoiled and they acted as if they had all the options. William was fortunate to find a real soulmate (IMO), who waited it out while he grew up (and while she grew up). He's more mature than Harry, and as I said before, he's set himself up, what with his closeness to the Middletons, that he has an alternative to the RF if the monarchy doesn't work out after QE dies. I also think he genuinely wants a partner in Kate, while Harry wants a mommy/fuck buddy but to otherwise be the boss.

Harry is this contradiction - he has to bombard a girl with a thousand texts to almost wear her down to dating him, but when he IS dating them he behaves as if he doesn't need to do anything to actually develop the relationship or deserve her loyalty.

I don't believe the RF has all this CIA-level ability to do deep level forensics on anyone. They don't even have a functional PR team around Meghan and Harry. A bunch of the vets departed and there are a lot of younger people. If KP is behind any of the bullshit that is coming out about Meghan, like the fantasies about her salary and her net worth - which anyone with half a brain who can count knows is lies - then they just want to get this wedding over with and Meghan / Harry are going to have a much lower profile than anyone expects. The wedding itself has become more about who ISN'T attending, and about "papering the house" with extras - allowing the public in, having people from various charities stand through it outside and wave when they come out - not even given tea and cake. I also think everybody is expecting a blow out of a wedding dress and I'm starting to suspect she is not getting the budget for the wedding dress that Kate or even Fergie had.

I think a lot of this "they're doing things their way" is just cover for what they're not being permitted to do/have.

Watch her wear a white wedding dress for her second marriage. Tacky, tacky.

I don't think that rinserepeat person is Meg. She may have a lot of faults but I suspect she has better spelling and grammar than that.

I love how she says the stuff on tumblr has zero affect on anyone, well a few of them obviously pissed someone off because they made the effort to get their accounts shut down.

They do seem to be obsessed with tears. Who is crying over this? No salty tears, just lots of salty popcorn.

According to TMZ, she flew into Chicago today to get her UK visa. With four bodyguards. And Chicago PD providing physical security, with the US State Dept. providing agency vehicles to ferry her around.

A source provided the Chicago Tribune with a picture and another source said she's flying out on Sunday evening.

TMZ says she most likely submitted an application for a family visa, applying as a partner or spouse. She would then have to marry or become a civil partner within six months of arriving in the UK.

How many consecutive days have these two spent together before they take a break? Have they ever spent more than two weeks in the same place together before one or both jets off somewhere without the other?

OMG r191! The funny thing is, Sparkle probably could've traveled to the visa office alone and nobody would've recognized her with a cap and glasses.

"The Chicago Tribune got a glimpse of her at O'Hare Airport."

In other words, she tipped off the Chicago Tribune.

Why Chicago?

[quote]No way the Queen will permit the name Diana as a first name.

She would. Half the problems within the Royal Family trace back to the Queen's utter indulgence of her children's shenanigans. Lest we forget, she signed off on Harry marrying this carpetbagger. A baby called Diana who is way down the line from the throne wouldn't phase her in the least.

R195 "Why Chicago?"

Visiting old college friends?

I don't know why people act like the queen is some stick in the mud. Where is the evidence? As plenty have observed, her favorite child is Andrew, who has been a national embarrassment from day one, with his love life being the least of it. He's a grifter, associates with shady characters, is obsessed with money and wasted the taxpayers money for years on his daughters' security, and the queen allowed it. The queen married Prince Phillip. Some think he's been unfaithful, but even Kitty Kelly couldn't find a smoking gun, so to speak. What he DID like to do early in the marriage was vent his feeling of emasculation by the courtiers by acting out for the media, like the time he painted the town red with a musical star and the star's boyfriend, sticking it in the media's noses.

The Queen DID give permission for Margaret to marry Townsend, but Margaret and Townsend had been apart for some time and Margaret wasn't sure she loved him enough to marry him anymore and give up her place in line to the throne. Obviously she was never going to be sovereign but apparently being "in line" conveys status. It was Margaret who decided not to marry.

For all the talk of William and Harry marrying "commoners", for God's sake, look at who Princess Anne was able to marry.

The RF is a mess because the queen is too indulgent of her family. The only thing stick in the muddy about her is protocol - there are rituals and traditions that carry on as she prefers them and she doesn't change them, but that's vacationing in Balmoral stuff and church crap. The personal life and funny business with money stuff, which is where she SHOULD be more strict - she plays fast and loose. The meaningless "we all play scrabble when we're in Scotland" shit - THAT she insists upon.

I am looking forward to this wedding, and more so the marriage. Entertainment for the next few years, if we're lucky. William and Kate's wedding, for all the pomp and circumstance, was not that exciting. By the time they married it was clear it would last their lifetime - they'd already been together forever. Both were super calm at the ceremony, Kate's dress was tasteful and low key - gorgeous materials, boring design. Even her tiara was low key - she almost looked like she was entering the abby to take nun's vows more than get married. Pippa's ass in the bridesmaids dress was the only excitement.

I realize now I will probably be disappointed in the spectacle part of Harry and Meghan's wedding. He'll be in a uniform we've seen him in before, her dress will be a let down because not that much money will have been spent on it, and I'm not even sure Charlotte and Prince George will teeter down the aisle as attendants. There will be no "best dressed" at the wedding because there won't be the parade of society and celebrity and royalty that went to William and Kate's, although I think it would be fun to see Chelsy Davy and Cressida Bonas show up for it, glowing with happiness that it's not them up there saying "I do" to Harry. But I think they won't be there. Maybe there will be a random on the bride or groom's side who steals the show somehow. But after THAT, boy, I'm looking forward to it. All we've seen of Will and Kate for seven years is "serene" at the low end, and "happy and laughing" at the high end. It'll be fun to see tension, sulleness, sulking, the freeze-out, the hands jammed in the pockets, the eyes averted, the face brightening whenever someone they actually like is around, the fake smiles and trying to look like they're happy. They will differ from Diana and Charles in that neither Diana nor Charles ever bothered to pretend they were getting along when they weren't. She's remembered for it, but he never pretended either. Watching Harry and Meghan try to fake it and fail for awhile will be fun.

The only excitement? Don't forget me, fuckers! I'll put a gypsy curse on you!

Damn it I was actually going to mention Gracie, but she really provided the excitement AFTER the wedding.

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This marriage won’t last. I give it less than 5 years

"According to TMZ, she flew into Chicago today to get her UK visa. With four bodyguards. And Chicago PD providing physical security, with the US State Dept. providing agency vehicles to ferry her around."

Oh for fucks sake. If this is true, she is going to be an absolute nightmare.

Personally I think William and Kate will be together till the day they die, much like Elizabeth and Philip.

And Carole Middleton will live as long as it takes to enforce it, much like Elizabeth and Philip.

R204, that information is at the link at R191. That article links to this Chicago Tribune article.

There's speculation on one of the Tumblr blogs that she's applying for the visa now because earlier she couldn't make the two year dating requirement. But since she and Harry and the media keep changing the date of their first date, why couldn't she just fudge it?

Like she's fudged everything else - her mom's name keeps changing from Ragland to Radland and back again, and on some paperwork (according to Tumblr) is sometimes spelled Doris, not Doria. Dodgy.

Dolly trolly. I love the presumed snobbery towards a former flight attendant by a bunch of alcoholic, college-course failing, date raping, cocaine addicted, pot-fogged, daddy's money-spending, semi-illiterate aristocrats.

She isn’t aging well @R207 Laugh lines galore. Retin a is needed

R208 = Kate Triggered.

So they've invited a bunch of strangers, representatives of community, including people on one leg and victims of Grenfell, and the entire thing is letting them stand on the Windsor grounds and "participate in the atmosphere." that is gonna backfire. They're papering the house, as it were, with a bunch of people they think should be honored to stand and wave at them from a distance.

Excuse me, R211, but how do those invitations read?

How does one phrase such an invite?

I don't understand Rinse and Repeat.

People here are snarky and salty but I see no HATE, not more than on any other threads.

R207 Date fudgery on an official visa application is a big no no . R192 That's the reason I don't think they're going to last . Right now all of it is exciting , first their secret relationship , then dating on holidays and hideouts . Now wedding planning . They've never been in a normal day to day relationship with each other . Once the honeymoon period is over there will be trouble , Meghan is giving up her entire life, job and country while Harry isn't sacrificing anything .

The engagement photograph will also be the wedding photograph. Does it mean they didn't find anyone else as the guy was already invited as a guest?

It's so strange. Everything looks so amateurish.

It's turning out to be a bizarre affair. They are inviting a bunch of "normal" people, I think associated with their charities, to stand and wave to them? And those Grenfell people, are they getting invited to the actual church service? Do they think those people have the resources to dress for the occasion? Do they think they have morning coats and the types of dresses and hats that would be required just sitting around? Don't they realize they will stick out like sore thumbs and be left open to mockery by the posh set that will attend?

Maybe their intentions are good but they really are clueless. I have to think that the people at the various palaces who should be helping them with this are intentionally letting them do this "their way" and letting them look foolish.

He's 6th in line to the throne and they are doing that carriage ride. The security costs will be more than what was spent on Will and Kate's wedding for security (the part of the wedding that the taxpayers are footing...) and Will is heir to the throne. They have earned every bit of criticism that comes their way because they are incredibly selfish and foolish.

I think the Palace would like to help but those two are too stubborn and think they're God's gifts. They want it to make it their way. Whatever if it looks bad, Sugars love it.

When I was visiting some castle in England, I met some poshos at a wedding reception in the park and even if I was not among them I felt really out of place. I don't see how these people can feel at ease. They gonna be stuck at the back of the Church and it gonna be a PR move at their expense.

Eugenie's wedding seems much more professional. The engagement pic alone is much more Royal than H&M cheap soap-opera photo-shot.

Well Meg is used to using the less fortunate as props to make herself look good. She's very thoughtless.

[quote]He's 6th in line to the throne

That still not far away enough for the ginger idiot. By the time Wills and I are through, he'll be 11th in line!

I am hoping Kate pops out twins this time and goes for triplets next time around.

That'll take care of them!

From USA Today: "LONDON (AP) — Kensington Palace has announced that politicians and world leaders won't be attending Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding. But 1,200 members of the public — many involved with charities or community groups — have been invited to the grounds of Windsor Castle for the May 19 celebration. That will give them a chance to see the royals arrive at the chapel and to see the carriage procession after the wedding ceremony."

"That will give them a chance to see the royals arrive at the chapel and to see the carriage procession after the wedding ceremony."

Holy SHIT. Who came up with THAT wording. Oh you one-legged ones, you victims of Grenfell because we couldn't bother to spend an extra million on proper building cladding, we will let you all stand on the grounds on your prosthetics so you can enjoy the great honor of watching a filthy rich prince marry a grifter paid for by our tax money.

He is marrying his mother, full stop. The paparazzi don't hang out at O'Hare. She also lied about four bodyguards - Kate goes out with one protection officer - Meghan fucking Markle doesn't need four. That brand new baseball cap is a tip off - "Here's how you'll find me - I'm wearing the cap." It's how all the celebs tip off the paps so the pap can find them.

Lol if it rains.

They're not going to be in the church. They're on the GROUNDS. They'll all be "dressed up" but treated like extras in the Harry and Meghan show. It's fucking obscene. "Look at all the people we help, standing outside with no seating, even the handicapped, so honored to watch our millions of pounds wedding from afar!"

I think the BRF is just letting them hang themselves. Harry has always been a favorite - I can't imagine the lines he's crossed that they're giving him this much rope. People are expecting, if not a Diana and Charles spectacle, at least a Fergie and Andrew spectacle. I think it's going to be pitiful, that the budget is limited, her dress will be disappointing, and the crowd outside is meant to cover up the fact that this will be cheapo. I think they're lucky if it's on the level of Sophie and Edward (who were/are a genuinely nice couple).

Chicago is not LA, how the paps could know she would be there?

I'm not surprised by the 4 body guards, americans are paranoid and she must be too: "But Haz, people could attack me!!!!! Look how the nasty fags at DL treat me!!!! If one is at O'Hare at the time as me????"

Meghan and Harry's wedding and planning is so tacky it's like God's gift to Eugenie. Suddenly everybody felt great affection for her and her husband to be, because they did it right. When Eugenie and her husband did THEIR interview, instead of all this actory shit, cooing and lying, they were relaxed and straightforward. He loved describing the ring. She was candid about the dress "I guess I'll start looking tomorrow." instead of playing into the big mystique of what she would wear, and the reporter even got to ask a question if the dress would be frou frou or streamlined. Eugenie said she didn't think frou frou was in fashion anymore but she'd figure it out. The real aristos were composed, natural and accessible, the prince and his grifter bride selling b.s.

There are not going to be four bodyguards because Harry isn't paying for them. Meghan and Harry don't decide these things. There is no way she had four. It's just her trying to big herself up, as she always does. A press conference becomes a forum, a business casual awards evening becomes a gala, blah blah blah. That's her.

The wedding is only a month away and they haven't even announced who will design the wedding dress. Haven't other royal brides been a little less secretive about that information in the past? I know they have to keep the wedding dress under wraps but the public have been told in advance about the designer.

“Chelsy” is quite the kre8iv spelling!

Lol, Victoria Beckham will be at the wedding.

It's really a trash show. She's the last person I'd like to have at my wedding, she's too nouveau riche.

She was at Will and Kate's wedding wasn't she?

R221 that was a photoshopped photo including the bodyguards

Lol, certainly but she's trash anyway.

Nobody knew (officially) who would design Kate's dress until she stepped out of the car, although the details had been released to the media, so when she stepped out, all of the newscasters then read out the details of her dress. Everyone knew the Emanuels were designing Diana's dress.

So far we know of no guests except the poor people who get to stand on the grounds for hours no matter what weather, for the honor of waving at the wealthy couple. We know the vendors. They made a HUGE to do over the instagram-able cake and the sustainable flower vendor who went on and on about how she was going to "source" as much as possible from the Windsor grounds. They are too fucking much. Elton fucking John went to Diana's funeral, he went to Will and Kate's wedding, and thus far has not been invited to this one. I don't know if this is the couple not inviting people or if it's all about the incredible cheapness. I am starting to suspect that the more we get told this wedding is going to cost a fortune, the less it's actually going to cost. They're even inviting only one of a couple and leaving out the spouse in some cases. It looks to me as if Prince Charles and the RF know this marriage won't last more than five minutes and they're not going to spend what it will cost to beef up security for a line up of foreign dignitaries and celebrities, nor spend what it would take to entertain them at a reception and after party. I'm starting to doubt Meghan will even get a tiara to wear, whether borrowed or gifted. Her "baptism" diamond bracelet was teensy tiny and thin. The gifts the RF gave Kate showed she was one of them - here, borrow ALL the jewelry, plus have a bunch as gifts. Robust, expensive stuff. I will laugh my head off if her wedding dress doesn't fit just like the clothes she wears at official engagements don't fit, and she has to return the actual wedding dress. The Windsors can be lethal, and no matter how much they love Harry, they have seen enough horrific marriages to know when one is doomed. If I'm right, this will be so humiliating for Sparkle.

Whatever people think of Kate, it was clear at the time that she was the One for William.

H&M's wedding looks cheap.

The RF won't spend a £ but the british tax payer will pay for the security anyway. I don't think adding celebrities increase the security cost that much, unless it's Trump. They're just cheap and don't want to spend too much on champagne and cucumber sandwiches.

Meghan has the Diana thing going on - poor little victim, everybody else is bad, not her. Look at her family. She is alienated from her entire family except her mom, and her mom can't settle on a name. Is it Doria or Doris? Ragland or Radland?

Her brother Tom is a mess, but rightly calls out their sister Samantha for being jealous of Meghan. But seriously - her dad? She went to the Little Red Schoolhouse because of him, to Northwestern because of him. Her dad was good enough for her to instagram and shout out when it made her look good.

Diana ghosted people. Not long ago, the supposed love of her life, Hasnat Kahn, said she ghosted him shortly before taking up with Dodi. Kahn has never talked about the supposed opposition his family had to marrying Diana, but he admitted they were in what he called a normal romantic/sexual relationship, that she was a good mother, and he was often at Kensington Palace. But one day she changed her phone numbers and didn't respond to his messages, and he knew what was happening because he knew her and had seen her do this to others. He said this without acrimony. Next thing he knew, she was yachting around with Dodi. So much for the idea that Kahn had rejected her and she rebounded with Dodi. Anyhow, it was common for Diana to drop people without warning.

Meghan must have felt very familiar to Harry, and he didn't recognize it was the toxicity that was familiar. The manipulation, the way she uses the media. Before the engagement there was a "papped" pic of her in London, done up in a Barbour jacket and Hunter boots, looking like she just came out of the props department - flowers and the end of a baguette in a bag, a message on the bag turned to the camera lens. That was obviously staged. Does Harry KNOW and think it's clever, or does he not know and he's a freaking idiot?

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It's funny to see Harry's entire family when there's basically no one from Meghan's side.

So these people who are invited to stand outside and watch the carriages come and go...Will there be a TV screen outside so they can watch the event as it happens? Will these folks get free food and drink? I don't get this.

After the carriage takes them away to the wedding, I'm guessing they'll go to another castle? Here, will they do the balcony wave? You KNOW Meghan wants to do that balcony wave.

Pretty much every rooftop at Windsor Castle is accessible if they want a 'Balcony' photo shoot. 'The Kiss' will be on the steps of St George's Chapel though or in the carriage.

Megan has got to dig up some respectable family members to invite or she and H should just run off to Vegas or something. Absence of family at your wedding screams Trash.

R235 They also attended William's wedding and Prince Charles survived it .

You know, R238, that's a nice picture of them all waving goodbye to the bride and groom when Edward and Sophie got married.

Lots of smiles, etc.

Some of those people....

Back row (from right) is Princess Eugenie (in the lavender dress), Prince Harry, Princess Beatrice with the red hair and Prince William who is hidden behind the lady with the white hair.

I think the man to the Queen's right is Sophie's father and the lady next to Prince Philip is Sophie's mother.

Princess Anne in the light green looks good.

I wonder how many smiles we'll see at the upcoming event? Will Prince Philip bow out due to his hip surgery? Will Kate avoid it after giving birth. Will George and Charlotte come down with a childhood ailment that is highly contagious, but not life threatening which prevents their attendance?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[quote]Does Harry KNOW and think it's clever, or does he not know and he's a freaking idiot?

Harry is basically borderline retarded so no, he wouldn't get it at all.

Lorna didn't attend Liza's last blow out wedding.

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The weirdest thing about the "aristocracy" (and Lady Kitty is a prime example) is how poorly they dress. She often looks like a prom queen/ future stripper at the Kit Kat Lounge from Mobile.

Will she invite her sister?

Is she having any bridesmaids in the American sense or the British sense?

But then the bride appears to have dumped all previous female friends so perhaps not.

Personally I think the Queen and the BRF is letting MM fall on her face as a total distraction. Why? Extreme controversy, including among the increasingly Muslim populated country, about Britain's interference in the Mid East. Don't they remember or care about the push back the previous PM and administration got for backing the Bush's war?

Recall the number of times I've said celebs who are in bearding relationships need to take extensive acting lessons with their new partners so that they can appear like real couples? Well MM the actress is not skilled enough in improv to direct her own mini-movie, and to be the set decorator, wardrobe, stylist, plus play the role of multiple coordinators. That's what she currently appears to be doing without having the sense to consult the most experienced Royal Protocol Advisers in Great Britain. Such hubris.

The real issue with MM is not just that she's American and an actress but that she's over-confident in her approach to her new role. Even the most talented and experienced actors ask for drama coaches to improve their performances.

Sparkle's missteps are really startling.

For someone who apparently wants to copy Diana and who researched Harry, she did a very poor job of her research.

Some of the things she got totally wrong include the "We're in Love" magazine interview, the $75K evening gown for the engagement photos and her constant looking at and "playing" for the camera.

I'm hardly an expert on The Royal Family, but even a simple examination of their customs would expose how clueless she has been.

The leaking to the press, combined with the attacks on the press are also rather bizarre.

Very, very strange.

[QUOTE] R248 Personally I think the Queen and the BRF is letting MM fall on her face as a total distraction. Why? Extreme controversy, including among the increasingly Muslim populated country, about Britain's interference in the Mid East. Don't they remember or care about the push back the previous PM and administration got for backing the Bush's war?

R248 Atheists outnumber Muslims by around 5:1 (15 million Atheists to around 2.7 million Muslims). The Atheist figure increases with every poll taken. Given enough time religion will be totally irrelevant in the UK.

Did you by any chance vote for Trump?

I wonder what arrangements have been made to handle the charity invitees to the wedding?

What plans are in place to provide transportation? How are they supposed to get there? Get home? Comfort stations? First aid? Food? What if it rains? Or is very hot? Or very cold?

we're going!

There got to be like a maximum of two people posting here and slamming Megan (sp? No one cares). Seriously. The level of detail and vitriol is almost funny.

R251 The Royals manage to plan 'Garden Parties' for thousands of people at a time.

I'd imagine that the arrangements for the 'outside' and charity guests will be similar. They are get plenty of practice.

You're so cute, r250.

I'm betting the queen and Philip do not attend and if I were in London at the moment I'd go down to a betting house to make it official.

I'd be surprised if The Queen didn't attend. She even went to Anne & Charles second weddings. Not sure about 'Phil the Greek'

I'll be there!!

Can I bring a "guest?"

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Megs gives me creepy Vanessa/Ursula vibes.

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I feel pretty sorry for Sarah at the moment. She clearly isn't very happy.

R253 Hi, Meg.

[quote] So they've invited a bunch of strangers, representatives of community, including people on one leg and victims of Grenfell, and the entire thing is letting them stand on the Windsor grounds and "participate in the atmosphere.

I'm laughing at you people carrying on. This is not new. This type of thing started at Charles and Camilla's wedding. They didn't want the public there because they thought their would be booing and protesting , so they invited sad sacks losers who had written fan letters to camilla and charles. Then with Sophie and Edward, they didn't think enough of the public would show up for their wedding, so they also invited saddos who wrote Sophie and the jackass Edward and even the Queen fan letters

No need to call them sad sack losers ad saddos, you asshole.

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Cory the Chef looks much better than Harry, and cooks better.

Lol, at Meghan telling she dreamed the pasta recipe when Cory is next to her. Gurl has no moral compass.

People might write him off because he was a chef, but as the article details he was someone with lots of society contacts. She used him and as soon as a better opportunity came along she ditched him and moved on up.

He seems like a good guy. And is better looking than Harry. Whoever he winds up with will be lucky.

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Link doesn't work, R270.

Mail's links never work.

You know she's been advised not the read what's published out her.

You know she does.

You know it eats her alive.

Fun!

Don't worry, she only reads Celebitchy.

[quote] Mail's links never work.

Change your settings to turn off "Show Link Previews".

Has she invited any of those people who spoke so glowingly of her in Toronto to her wedding?

Like the 75 year old Greek man who became something of an "uncle" to her and did odd jobs for her?

Are any of these Toronto people invited to the wedding?

OMG no balcony wave? Jesus, the BRF aren't fooling around. It may be Meghan's second marriage, but it's Harry's first. Andrew and Fergie married at Westminster, right? Fergie was right up there on that balcony. I think HM were banished to Windsor purely to keep them off the balcony. They know MM won't be around in five years. They had fifteen years of Diana - they know a hot mess when they see it.

Speaking of hot messes, they're letting Meghan go around to official engagements in borrowed coats she fished out of the box and has to return - coats that don't fit because she's smaller than the samples and getting skinnier by the day. Then underneath she has a combination of her own clothing and more borrowed clothing, like the skirt she had to pin in the back when she went to NI. There is no Middleton family happy to kit her out in nice high street or pretty and cheapo clothing that looks presentable until the wedding. She looks like she's raided the closet of someone taller and larger, and never gets to borrow a coherent outfit. She's just going to be very politely frozen out. He's gonna look like Brad Pitt did in the thick of the Angelina relationship - miserable, sullen, detached, avoidant - but refusing to pull the plug and hear the "I told you sos". Harry had a traumatic childhood in some ways due to the separation of his parents and then his mother's death, but he's gonna get kids out of Meghan in hopes of holding things together and ending up giving his kids a dysfunctional childhood because not hearing "I told you so" is too important to him.

I bet that she probably got a huge chunk of her wardrobe for free, largely gathered up by Jessica Mulroney before she left Canada and while she wasn't subject to the rules about taking freebies, but I can't see why she'd have to return anything. She's probably the most photographed woman on the planet at the moment and with all of that publicity she gets for anything she wears it'd be lame for anyone who gave her clothes to ask for them back. I really can't come up with a reason why her clothes haven't been altered to fit her other than she just hasn't made that a priority. Maybe she thinks it all looks fine? Who knows.

If her wardrobe were free her clothes would fit, and the "X" stitch would have been off the coat she clearly set eyes on only that morning.

I could see her ignoring the rules and keeping the clothes, but why keep clothing that she's drowning in, don't go with anything she wears, and obviously can't tailor. If they were hers, she could tailer them to fit, like that skirt that was gathered and tucked. Instead she treats them like clothes pulled for a photo shoot that have to be returned.

If we see any of the higher end coats again, I think you'll be right, but we won't. We won't see the Stela McCartney, the J Crew, or the giant bathrobe thing she wore with the belt dragging on the ground. Or the white Carole-Middleton type thing she wore to the Commonwealth service.

She has re-worn some of her clothes, like the tuxedo pants that are too short and those black bootleg jeans that are too long. That too large white sweater from the NI trip was the same VB one in some of the engagement photos. That white "husband" shirt from the IG was from her friend Nono or whatever the fuck she's called and Meg was drowning in that as well. I'm sure that shirt was hers to keep. I think like with everything else she doesn't have the ability to do it herself and those helping her are complete amateurs.

Why is r186 greyed out? Who’s triggered?

R208 trolley dolly is common parlance in the U.K. to describe ANY flight attendant. It is not remotely limited to use by aristos or just to describe Carole “door to manual” Middleton. Get over yourself and try white knighting for someone who deserves it.

Isn't it her third wedding, the second being canceled?

I think some claim she had a brief first marriage that was annulled? Not sure where that's coming from or how that rumor got started. They know the guys name (Joe something?) but I can't be arsed to try to find it. I'd have to think if there really was a marriage there would be some public record of it even if it was annulled.

[quote] It may be Meghan's second marriage, but it's Harry's first. Andrew and Fergie married at Westminster, right? Fergie was right up there on that balcony. I think HM were banished to Windsor purely to keep them off the balcony.

So couple things... Yes, Andrew got BP but back then he was still third or fourth in line. And he was the son of a reigning queen. Harry is the second son of the heir to the throne, with a spare and three more in line ahead of him. This is more a family wedding than a semi state occasion (which William's was, as a future king.). By the time Edward married Diana was dead two years and so we were into scaled back, sensitive monarchy. (And by that time though the son of a reigning queen he was seventh in line.) This wedding, given it is Meagain's second to fifteenth go around, is more a family thing... the PM isn't even invited. To have done the whole London thing but keep it that scaled back would have been problematic. Besides, Westminster Abbey could seat 2,000 people.

No one cares, everybody knows he won't be the King, at best he gonna be Regent.

So why the RF and the Government should invest more? Specially when the security is already crazy expensive.

That's why the Sugars are ridiculous. In History books William and Kate will be King and Queen, Meghan gonna be a footnote.

Andy is no fan of Sparkle. He knows a grifter when he sees one. The article says that his daughters "got on fantastically well with Meghan." I'm sure they were nice to her face but I don't believe for a second that they actually like her. Expect Cressida to be a bridesmaid at Eugenie's wedding and don't think for a second that their friendship with Cressida isn't a factor in how Bea and Eugenie feel about Meghan..

The article also says that Prince Philip is a "fan" of Meghan. Lol. Who is buying that?

It's not "A" balcony, it's THE balcony. Hell, when I was in London last summer I finally trekked to Buckingham Palace and all I wanted to lay eyes on was the balcony. I felt just like the tourists in NYC I hate. Nobody cares if Meghan/Harry kiss on the roof, the Chapel balcony or the carriage. She's not going to be on THE balcony where the real royals stand after the wedding, and IMO that's all down to what the RF really thinks of this wedding. She's going to be the most un-royal royal ever.

Fuck off R282, coming in 70+ posts late. Like "doors to manual" is an insult?

And the triggered thing is lame. Find another insult - it's not as all-purpose as you seem to think, going by the number of times you've used it in this thread.

Engrossing thread.

+1 with r71 and r77.

What will save her from boredom and help her to endure a marriage to Harry is that, unlike Chelsy Davy, Markle is in sho 'biz. And if being a member of the RF ain't sho biz, nothing is.

You're a little right. The royal family is about putting a show... but it isn't show biz and if you confuse it as such they will eat you alive for it... inside the ranks and out. If there's an analogy it's the mega musicals on Broadway and the West End: they aren't looking for talent, they're looking for competence: can you hit the mark, can you hit the note, can you make it sound just as it did a year and two and ten years ago? That's where she will likely fail.... she thinks she's there as the woman of colour to reinvent the new monarchy and Commonwealth, when she's really there as the wife of a prince, to replicate, to do her duty, to be noticed but not stand out. That was one of the failings of Charles and Diana's marriage that seldom gets much discussion: he couldn't bear how she upstaged him.

Cory the chef dodged a bullet.

Just ask Trevor.

Thanks, r292. I stand enlightened.

Bogart the dog dodged a bullet too. Maybe literally in his case. (Still wondering how her dog broke two legs...)

Sorry, Della, I didn't mean to disagree with you. I'd delete it if I could.

I'm with you R295. I still want to know what happened to that dog whose name apparently was "Guy".

Perhaps someone can hire a skywriter to scribe "Where is Guy?".

Nonsense, r292. No apology necessary. I really do find your post enlightening.

While we're on the topic, QE II is my favorite celebrity. There's something about that old warhorse I deeply admire.

meant to post to r296 at my post at r298.

A lot of DM posters worry and speculate about the dogs. They say that the dog who was "too old" to to fly to the UK actually belonged to the ex boyfriend rather than to Meghan. The rumor is that the dog Meghan did take to the UK has been put down. A couple of DM posters have said that the dog broke two legs, probably in a failed attempt to escape its crate during quarantine. Because of the poor prognosis, it was put down.

I don't think dogs have to be quarantined if they have the proper vaccinations, records etc. I wouldn't doubt he tried to jump from somewhere. The other explanation is he was hit by a car. Poor thing. He hasn't been seen in months so I am afraid he didn't make it.

I think most of the clothes under her coats are hers - the tuxedo pants most obviously, I think the Theory shirt/jacket as well, the Mother jeans, and probably even the trench.

The stuff she wears under the coats don't "go with" the coat in terms of weight, fabric, color and volume. It's the coats that scream "Borrowed."

For those of you who have dogs as pets, could you even imagine giving them away? I couldn't, it would be unconscionable. My dog is a family member.

R289 I have posted here at once. That’s all. You obviously are VERY triggered judging by your ridiculously overwrought outrage and the massacre vex number of posts you yourself have made. You’re unhinged.

The fact that you wrote “dolly trolly” when the phrase is trolley dolly must upset you. Further, it is not an insult dreamt up solely to be aimed at the Middletons as you implied it is a common, everyday phrase used to describe all flying wait staff. The “doors to manual” thing is what Wills’ friends used to call Kate. As a royal obsessive you should have known that.

In summary, take a tranq and lie down toots, you’re done.

But the rest of her clothes fit just as poorly her coats. I'm pretty sure she's worn those pants more than once and they are dragging on the ground.

She looks slouched. Does she always slouch?

She always looks so pleased with herself in photos.

Did someone say pants dragging?

With all of the yoga she supposedly does you'd think she'd have good posture. Isn't her mother a yoga teacher?

Man, I cannot wait to see her gown.

Given that it's her 2nd marriage, I'll bet the color will be some trendy beige or light bronze thing.

I wanna see Eugenie's dress. She's worn Vivienne Westwood in the past and it would be amazing if she wore Westwood for her wedding.

I want to see how the mother of the bride dresses. She's a hard lady to read but safe to say she doesn't dream about meeting Anna Wintour.

If you think Harry is not in fact, COUNTING ON MEG TO HELP HIM UPSTAGE THE STILTED CAMBRIDGES, you are sadly deluded. The future Duke and Duchess of Sussex, WILL NOT BE IGNORED!

I'm R177: I'm joking, but not really....

r311 Both Markle and Eugenie are... I hate to use this word- squat.

Kate is at least 5 '9' and no more than 123 lbs, if that. A burlap bag looks good on someone with those dimensions.

It's trickier when you're short and curvy. So, I too cannot wait to see how they handle their choices.

They all go for the full skirt since Diana (well not Sophie Rhys Jones but she admitted she understood her hips.). My money is on Megain making a statement to the contrary... some long sheath... possibly quite plain. Long sleeves, though. May in England is more likely to be cool than pleasant and there's no heating in St. George's Chapel in any meaningful sense. She'll probably go full fashionista for the after party.

Then again with nobody to guide her except Jessica Mulroney and a big ego she could go over the symbolic top and make a fool of herself with something embroidered with the symbols of the Commonwealth. I nearly fell off my chair the first time I heard her mention it. Couldn't believe she knew what it was but probably that's where she thinks she can steal centre stage. So it might be a Swarovski crystal shout out to them.

Jessica looking fancy dress, below.

Eugenie seems a little on the taller side but that's just in pictures so I really have no idea how tall she is. I don't think she's super tall but maybe around 5'7? Westwood knows how to dress curves which is why I think she would be the best choice. Eugenie has slimmed down so I think her figure will be fine to dress. As long as she has the right boob support!

I think Meg is listed as being 5'6 on her IMDB? That's probably fudged. She's not really short, just average. But yeah, they are both short when compared to Kate.

Meg actually has no curves. She's very boxy. It'll be interesting to see if she selected someone talented enough to flatter her boxy figure.

As far as the mothers go, I think Doria will wear something simple but with a bit of a boho edge to it. We've seen Fergie in enough to know what her style is, I actually do think she's been attempting more simple looks lately but they still aren't flattering to her figure. Let's hope the Yorkies get some good advice and all three of them get bras that fit! (and that they take Camilla to get a new bra too!)

I wonder if Doria will wear one of those kooky English fascinators? I kinda hope she doesn't. She's American and she should dress like one and we don't wear that shit. But then it might be required since the invitation indicates hats are expected. Maybe she'll do something creative?

Maybe she'll do something African? Not that it'll phase anybody... they've all been to the Commonwealth countries so many times they're used to all kinds of best dresses.

I don't think Doria will go that route R319.

I picture her wearing some kind of comb with a bit of flare to it in place of a true fascinator.

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God, her family is such complete trash.

I'd like to see Lizzie's face every morning when she reads the new headline du jour.

Doria could go back to her "roots" and go full African.

Eugenie will look lovely. As she did at Ascot.

Considering a lot of what they have was plundered from around the world, I would love for her to take him to the cleaners if it came to that. I haven't read through these threads, so are some of you imbeciles pitying the poor royals having to pay up if they got divorced?

Initially, I didn't look straight at the pic @R325 and thought it was some pregnant woman. Get that girl a decent bra already!

What's wrong with Camilla's bosom? A little saggy but Charles doesn't seem too bothered.

I bet Camilla looks like a mountain of melting cheese when she's undressed.

have a gander...

Wait till Eugenie gets pregnant, r327.

Oh, R331. I'm talking about the parts in-between.

Sorry, that was meant for R330

Camilla's melted cheese on full display.

I feel sorry for that girl @R331. She's what straight guys would say is a triple bagger/butterface. She gets attention so guys can fuck her, but the face...

I want to be your tampon.

...

Victoria Beckha has been invited to the wedding. So you know a major fashion disaster looms for Megs's wedding dress.

Camilla is an older lady and her figure is what it is. I'm not gonna knock her for the low hanging knockers because she can't help that but I don't get how she has her clothes custom made and whoever is in charge of her wardrobe doesn't get her fitted with a proper bra. You'd think her back would feel better and she wouldn't be so slumped over if she had the proper support. It really is basic.

I wish I could go over there and get them all properly dressed.

A colourful stylish Victoria Beckham original design just for Meg's honeymoon send-off.

Eugenie's got some big-ass tittays!

A lot of English broads either have huge cans or really small ones.

Camilla's knockers are as bad as the 100 year old corpse's knockers sitting beside her.

Dear God, is that Gary Oldman in Hannibal?

That was the Duchess of Alba, the most titled woman in Europe, who died not that long ago.

For the record, Eugenie is 5.4" - And Stout.

R334, imagine having to curtsy to that pig

Personally, Camilla hits the fashion mark with that comfy bathrobe style for evening wear. Everyone agree?

[quote]I want to see how the mother of the bride dresses.

Forgive me, but I want to see how she wears her hair. I hope she can get it styled nicely instead of those raggedy dreds/braids

And I want to see her dad. He has a gigantic beer belly. Would it have killed him to lose some weight for his daughter's big, fat royal wedding that's going to be broadcast the world over?

After the marriage, will Meghan still have to curtsy to Beatrice and Eugenie or will they have to curtsy to her? Or will it be a stand-off?

I think the situation with the cousins and Kate at this point is that if Kate is alone, she has to curtsy to them but if she is with William, they have to curtsy to her. Open to correction.

Unfortunately, there's not much hope for Eugenie when it comes to fashion. Hopefully, the dresss will contain her breasts, cover chunky arms and try to make her look "lean." Whichever desgner can pull that off deserves the Nobel Prize.

Curtsy...God almighty. What year is this?

[quote]I think the situation with the cousins and Kate at this point is that if Kate is alone, she has to curtsy to them but if she is with William, they have to curtsy to her. Open to correction.

I think you're right. It will change again when Charles assumes the throne and precedence is redefined. Presumably after that Meagain will only ever have to curtsey to Charles, Camilla, William and Kate. But for her whole life she will have to curtsey to Kate.

Until the divorce, at which point she'll have to curtsey to everyone again. Assuming she can get near them.

Prince Phillip was also the grandson of King George I of Greece.

Isn't there something about always having to curtsy to "Princesses of the Blood" - namely Anne, Eugenie, Beatrice, Alexandra, etc.

Those are princesses who were born princess not just someone who married a prince.

If Harry is there, Sparkle would take his rank. If not, her rank drops and she to curtsy to everybody? Right?

Sparkle's assistant (or whatever) dresses better than Sparkle in R305.

[quote] The rumor is that the dog Meghan did take to the UK has been put down. A couple of DM posters have said that the dog broke two legs, probably in a failed attempt to escape its crate during quarantine. Because of the poor prognosis, it was put down.

I'm not buying this story.

If it was true, Sparkle would have built it up into a very sad story and more publicity for her. "I so wanted him with me.", etc.etc.

Instead, the last we heard, he was being treated by an expert and then, poof, nothing.

I wonder if she just gave him away as he became too much trouble and didn't fit her new life.

She couldn't very well leave both dogs behind (bad publicity) and the one she does take disappears out of her circle not long after Sparkle relocates to London.

She's dumped plenty of people as she climbed the ladder. Dumping a dog would make barely a ripple if someone is careless with human relationships.

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That article is so snarky, lol!

I'm surprised the Mail is going after her so early... I thought they'd milk the future princess/beautiful bride angle and then start savaging her. They must have market research that shows people don't like her.

It's more like she's an american nobody with no real link with GB.

She has no one to support her in England besides Harry. The Daily FaiL can be snarky, she's not the usual aristo poshos with tons of relations and influence or someone who is clearly supported by the RF.

The good side of the situation is that she can play the victim.

Is she and Kate really good friends?

Kate is about to give birth for the third time, I doubt she gives a fuck about Meghan or anything else.

They must have meet but that's all.

For the cameras only, R363 dear.

Her ego is far beyond her station. Her hair is greasy. And she smells like day-old custard.

They stayed at William and Kate's place over Christmas. If they like her, they like her. If they don't like her, hardly anyone will know because everybody is all about protecting poor Harry.

It's not like Kate and Will will ghost Harry because of Meghan.

At worst, they'll smile at the Harlot and try to forget she exists.

JFC, Meaghan's mother looks like a scub woman. How embarrassing.

Sparkle's womb is like dust and she's been taking Harry's loads for years. This will not end well.

The DM has been subtly snarky and very passive aggressive in most of their articles about her. They know how to write an article that sets up their readers destroy her in the comments.

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Daddy looks too much like a mess to be broadcasted around the world.

The cognitive dissonance of Celebitchy posters makes me despair for this world, given that some internet survey company allegedly found that they were some of the best-educated. The Celebitches ignore all the glaring warning signs about this woman, even her own words and actions as documented on her website and social media, plus all the self-aggrandizing articles she's written, solely because she's a Woman of Color. Even though, if the pictures are anything to go by, she has one token black friend, Venus Williams, who she seems to barely know, and had only one other black person at her first wedding, who was her mother.

One Celebitch even had the nerve to ask how anyone would dislike Sparkle.

Ummm, because she's a complete and utter hypocrite - this woman who gave up everything for a prince is on the record in her own words encouraging other women to break through the glass ceiling rather than reach for the glass slipper.

Then there's all her rubbish about spooning bananas and beaded matching Harry bracelets, and buying jewelry with M and H on it to wear for her pap strolls.

R370, she had her lawyers write a letter very early on, like around the two-and-a-half month mark of dating Harry, threatening the British press at a time when freedom of the press was under attack, that's why the British press is doing their snarky best to undermine her.

Then Harry, around three months in (depending on which version of their meeting you believe) sent out another letter to the British press, obviously written by her and her lawyers, attacking them and calling them racists. The British press is unforgiving, and very good at snark.

All I see on Celebitchy is a bunch of bitter divorced women who play SJWs and have too much time in their hands. They all pretend to be super educated with top jobs but I've never read anything especially clever there.

By the way, they're the same who trash Amal Clooney, a top barrister and Neri Oxman, a several times awarded MIT professor because of the men they date.

So no, you can't trust a group of women who kiss Meghan Markle's ass (cause she's half black, don't fool yourself) and shit on Amal Clooney and Neri Oxman.

I prefer bitching here, at least DL has a sense of humor.

They kiss MM ass because Kate is the devil with buttons and too short hemlines unless she's wearing long hemlines and that's when she's supposed to wear short ones ... . In the end it all boils down to Kaiser , if Kaiser hates somebody (and she hates mostly women who date her internet boyfriends , see Alicia Vikander or Benedict Cumberbatch's wife) then everyone else posting there also has to hate the person or they get banned.

That place sounds insane. As a bit of an aside, anyone ever venture over to Royal Dish? It's not all sugars over there but I don't get the admin over there and all of her arbitrary rules. You can't post about Diana at all, You can't mention Kate in the Meghan and Harry forum. You can't mention their families...blah, blah, blah.

How can you have a fun discussion without worrying about stepping on her sensitive toes all of the time? Everyone who posts there seems to have been "warned" and I've seen her warn people and ban people for the stupidest shit like mentioning that Meghan's eggs were old (they are). The poster said it in a harmless way but the admin thought it might offend the posters there who were mostly female. My guess is she is sensitive about her own elderly eggs.

The slouch is from the red carpet. Also she rolls her head past her shoulders - that's also from the red carpet and photo shoots.

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Is there a new blind item?

Let's be honest, the only thing that separates her family from his is money and "titles." For fuck sake, his father said he wanted to be his whore's tampon. Stop pretending her family is somehow more trashy when if we were to go through every member of his family, it's not much better. They're trashy, too. The fancy jewels are just blindingly shiny and delude people into believing they're the height of class.

His Uncle Andrew would no doubt be in prison for the shit he's been up to over the years. His connections keep him out.

Ahem....Andrew is a great man and a first-rate father and the bestest friend, r380

Michael Middleton is a dignified and elegant man. His walk down the aisle with Katherine was amazing.

Will Sparkle's father do the dad dance?

Germaine Greer: I think she’ll bolt. She bolted before’: Outspoken feminist icon Germaine Greer predicts doom for Meghan and Harry’s marriage as she slams the royal family.

Feminist author Germaine Greer has shared her bleak prediction for the upcoming royal wedding, claiming Meghan Markle will 'bolt' from her marriage to Prince Harry out of boredom.

Speaking to 60 Minutes, the outspoken activist slammed the Suits actress, implying she was marrying for money and status, but had given up too much of herself for the relationship to work.

Ms Greer said the monotony of royal life would likely set in, as would the rigid and demanding nature of her new life. 'She will see vistas of boredom that are unbelievable,' Ms Greer said.

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Diana and Fergie were not poking their umbrellas at Charles and Andrew. It was two other guys.

Will Harry and Meghan's kids have the title of prince/princess? It was said that Charles wanted to take away Beatrice and Eugenies's "princess" titles several years back to scale down the monarchy and focus directly on the line of succession. Well, if that's his logic, then there's no reason for Harry's kids to have titles.

R376 Royal Dish isn't much better than Celebitchy . They also hate pretty much every woman who married a prince (obviously they are all gold digging sluts with poor manipulated husbands ) they just pretend it's reasonable criticism and that's why you can't talk about Kate in Meghan threads and vice versa . It would just lead to Meghan bashing in Kate threads and Kate bashing in Meghan threads .

Any children born to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will be a lord or lady, not a prince or princess - unless the Queen steps in. Titles within the royal family were limited by Harry's great-great-grandfather King George V, who issued a Letters Patent in 1917. It read: “...the grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of Dukes of these Our Realms.”

This means Harry and Meghan's children, should they have any while Elizabeth II is on the throne, will not be HRHs or princes or princesses, but will be known instead as Lord or Lady (forename) Mountbatten-Windsor. However the Queen could issue a new Letters Patent to change this - just as she did for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's children. George was always entitled to be HRH Prince George of Cambridge as the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales. But HRH Princess Charlotte of Cambridge would have been Lady Charlotte Mounbatten-Windsor.

The Earl and Countess of Wessex's children, Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor and Viscount Severn, are actually entitled to be a princess and prince as children of the son of the Sovereign. But Edward and Sophie decided, with the Queen's agreement, that their children would use the courtesy titles of sons or daughters of an earl rather than the style prince or princess.

When Charles is King Harry's kids won't be "the grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign" they will be grandchildren of the Sovereign in the male line.

It is said that Edward was given the title the Earl of Wessex with the understanding that when Prince Philip passes he will become the Duke of Edinburgh. That title reverts to the Crown but is expected to be given to Edward either by HM or Charles when he becomes King and that way Edward's son will be Duke of Edinburgh when Edward passes.

I wondered about that too... whether Harry's kids get an upgrade when Charles takes the throne. I think the rule is your rank is determined by the reign under which you were born, but am not sure.

R386 Charles didn’t want to take away their titles and he couldn’t even if he tried to. He wanted them to stop being so ostentatious in using public funds for security details like they were the monarch instead of the children of the also-ran. He’s trying to make it more in line with the modern world, Andrew wants the taxpayers to pay for everything for him and his family and to bow and scrape while they’re paying. I think Charles has a good idea of how things have changed and he knows if they don’t change along with them they’re doomed. Andrew’s not so bright.

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I used to lurk around there for a while, but found the admin behavior bizarre as well. Not only are there all those rules, but the way she goes at people who question one of them, even if it’s politely, is all “OMG HOW DARE YOU O_O”.

I generally assume that people who are that smug about some rather useless “virtual power” didn’t achieve too much in real life.

1/I have fun watching all the tarot readers/psychics on youtube doing readings on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. They all think it's doomed, a huge mess, that the two of them are under a lot of stress, feel trapped, and will start sleeping with other people soon after the wedding. Most of the psychics didn't know the whys or wherefores, just that this is how it is. One of them says they have a lot of choices to make but Harry's not interested, and whenever he's asked about a wedding detail he's like "I don't care, do what you want." These tarot readers all have the persona of wishing peace for everyone, so if they thought Harry was "taken in" by Meghan, or she was deceiving him, they'd say it diplomatically, like "Harry will learn more about her." or "Meghan is very private, she keeps her dreams to herself, Harry will only find out about these later." Nothing like that. It's all just - these two made this decision to get married, it's way more stressful than they expected, they each want to be rescued from the decision because they feel trapped, and they'll both start blowing off their responsibilities and engagements after the wedding. The most interesting part is two psychics talked about infidelity.

R389, wouldn't the Dukedom of Edinburgh pass to Prince Philip's eldest son, Prince Charles, through the rules of primogeniture?

That Royal Dish moderator seems crazy: there are only about five posters now because she's banned the rest. She seems to make up the rules as she goes along, so they change constantly, and the posters are always forced to agree with her because otherwise she'll arbitrarily ban them.

Kind of like Kaiser at Celebitchy, who's now hated across the web because she bans anyone who disagrees with her and who won't give Sparkle a tongue bath. There's actually a tumblr site called something like "bannedfromcelebitchy".. A lot like TWOP and their crazy, arbitrary mods, actually.

There's another one called Royal Gossip that has very few posters, but they don't get into as many fights and the moderators don't seem quite as heavy-handed.

R394, the title will pass to Charles upon the death of his father. But when Charles succeeds his mother the title will revert to the Crown, as Charles will have [italic]the title: King. At that point there's an agreement the title will be recreated for Edward.

R394, but that couldn't happen until Charles inherits the throne, right? So Edward would have to wait between the deaths of Philip and Elizabeth.

Right. He will not get the title unless his brother, the King, grants it. There's supposed to be an arrangement in place... that it is known to be in place tacitly prevents Charles from failing to deliver... he would look like a real asshole if he didn't.

R389 - when Prince Philip passes what? When Edward passes what? Wind? A gallstone? A Rolls in the slow lane?

“Died” is the word. We’re all going to do it. Including you.

r399 = Barbie Bush

R395 But Royal Gossip is full on conspiracy central , those people think William and Kate used surrogates and dye their son's hair to look more like Diana .

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Yes r402 that was particularly heinous. I don’t know what’s worse, the bad fit, the cheap looking fabric, the design, the shapelessness, the completely wrong shoes or that it’s meant to have something worn underneath. The mugging for the camera is just added crassness.

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That outfit is HORRIBLE. Ugly dress, draws attention to her brick-like midsection. The bag and blazer are so clunky and awkward. Whore shoes for sure. She's an attractive woman, but this entire outfit is wrong for her and the event from head to toe.

Is she wearing a wig?

Maybe they are letting her have a "long leash" if you will, til after the wedding. Then give her the what-for when it comes to protocol, and presentation. That or they just clearly have zero shits to give, and are going to let her and Harry lean the hard way. Her all over style from heels to hair, is screaming "I am out of my league"

R348 the lovely Camilla’s blue creation is by Stan Herman and Mr. Mort.

R403 everything about that dress is ugly but those wide straps are the worst . Have you seen a picture from behind? There is a large button and the straps are so long and bulky and just hang there half down her back .

Why would you just hang a blazer over your shoulders like that instead of wearing it the right way? Is that some intentional style? For events don't require formalwear, is it appropriate to wear outfits that expose your armpits? Maybe the hanging jacket is a set-up. "It's so hot out here, I'm going to wear my jacket halfway. Oh, no. I'm still too hot. I'm going to have to take the jacket all the way off and show more flesh. Now that more photographers have arrived."

Stupid boy!

She reads more as 'thirsty actress preening on talk show/PR junket' rather than princess on an official visit.

Her behavior today in that striped dress was wild. Were they both high? She was overeager, over the top, barged forward, her hands were crazy gesturing, she never gave anything a rest. Does she know how to stand there, be calm, just listen, or is she always "on" 24-7? There's a gif of Harry actually gulping, swallowing hard as he takes in the faces of the people she's talking to.

Even in the evening's reception, when she remembered that he goes first, she made a THING of it instead of just doing it. Also never saw a supposedly in love couple with painful grins who can't look each other in the eye. This should be how they look six months after the wedding - everybody knows this is doomed - not one month before. If he had any nuts he'd call it off. I've never seen a marriage collapsing this quickly BEFORE the wedding, yet we know he'll carry on because he doesn't want egg on his face. He also didn't figure that a high strung woman accustomed to the spotlight isn't serene in the spotlight, but "ON" and contrived in the spotlight - not what he needed.

I think this is going to be one of the most humiliating things ever. Diana, at least, went into it well-intentioned. However apprehensive she felt. AND she got the extravagant dress, massive royal wedding, honeymoon on the Brittania, and jewels and clothes galore. In a pared down generation, Kate got pretty much the equivalent. Judging by Meghan's desperation wardrobe, she's going to be on a tight budget and be sent only to engagements where she's Harry's plus 1, never in her own right to represent the BRF or the queen. I think she's going to chafe living in England, not traveling to glamorous beach resorts, and not having her own money. What money she has must be running out at this point. Without the Tig or her job on Suits, she literally has no money, no income, and no resources for it. She'd be better off doing a bolt now and writing a book about it and signing on for endorsement deals.

Speckles is desperate to hide her scrawny legs. That is why you see her legs tightly crossed when sitting, draped in ill-fittig midi-dresses, weird floppy boots. She has no calf muscles. That is also why she wears those strapped shoes all the time to try to deflect from her boney ankles and shins.

How often does Kate have engagements on her own? And she and William have been married for 7 years. So, how could Sparkle think her situation would be somehow different and allow her greater latitude to do her own thing?

What I find bizarre about this whole thing is how little Sparkle seems to know about how things work with the BRF. For example, that Harry has precedence and she should be walking behind him and certainly not pushing ahead.

She seems to have gone from clinging desperately to him to pushing him aside so she is in front.

This does not bode well.

I see no objection to back-strapped, high-heeled, fuck-me pumps, in moderation.

[quote]R14 now she's taken herself out of the network she established for herself in Toronto, and she'll literally be completely dependant on Harry and the RF with nothing of her own, which is pretty unusual.

Wouldn't a few weekends at Balmoral strengthen those former relationships, rather than weaken them?

I do think it's sad that there's discussion of the importance of Sparkles having children in this day and age. She's not a broodmare. And the royal family is supposed to be Bible Believers, anyway. What happened to God's Will?

If they believe in a god, you'd think they'd have faith their god would give children to marriages as it chooses and sees appropriate....regardless of age, rank etc.

Not everyone has to have children...not everyone even wants them.

If Harry and Meghan have kids, they're either going to be absolutely gorgeous or so hideously ugly they should be locked away in a tower. It could go either way.

She's literally cut off from those people. They're in Canada. They're in L.A. I think she saw it exactly as you say, she leveraged herself into being the wife of HRH Harry of Wales, she'll vacation at Balmoral and Sandringham, and then...

But it's and then - NOTHING. She can't "leverage" Balmoral and Sandringham into further influence with her Toronto crowd, and it does nothing to help her influence those who have vacationed at Balmoral and Sandringham, namely, the royal family. It does nothing for her "brand." All of her individual brand outlets are shuttered.

She's leveraged herself into a dead end. She can't CAPITALIZE on this. She can try to become popular, but that's not going to bring her $$, or opportunity, choice, freedom, options, or anything of her own that's under her control. She has no money of her own, no independent family resource like Kate has. No trust fund. No property. Her sources of independent income have ended (Suits), and been shut down (the Tig). Hell, Eugenie's finance' may be in the "hospitality business" but at least he gets to keep working and have something of his own. MM is dependent on, and subject to, the RF schedule and what money she can get from Harry and, she hopes, Prince Charles. Because of the circumstances she came from, she is in the position of a 1950s housewife who doesn't even have her own bank account.

I think a reason she is out there is to prove Harry's sale job that she's ready to "hit the ground running". I don't think he or she had any idea she'd be so gauche - their titanic egos assumed the red carpet and a tv job was plenty of prep. AND she's out there making appearances because she has nowhere else to go and nothing else to do. Kate had her family in the U.K. - she could go off and spend time with them. She had and has a circle of friends who'd invite her for weekends, or with whom she could go on a getaway if she wanted, without needing BRF $$$. She and William were holed up in Wales most of the time, living together normally, not packed into a cottage on the local Royal Family Campus/Extended Dormitory with half of William's relatives to bump into every day.

I also think this wedding is going to be the Emperor's New Clothes of all time - dressed up with free stuff - the members of the charities they are roping in to stand on the grounds and wave - some of whom think they're invited to the wedding and haven't realized that, no, they'll be outside on the grass behind a barrier. A carriage or car or two dragged out of storage for the happy couple to wave from. No George or Charlotte in the wedding party, just a few WTF are they, or no wedding party at all, and it will be passed off as modern.

The cake is going to be lame - they think they're being so Pinterest Perfect with the elderflower lemon crap cake, but it's not wedding-level and will look silly. The florist they are using has bragged that she's going to "source" as much as possible from the gardens and flora at Windsor - here's the translation - the flower budget is BUDGET. Hire this lady and have her go onto the property with a pair of clippers. No "bought" flowers. I think the wedding dress is going to be borrowed and desperately pinned and tucked to make it look custom, or something is going to be off about it where people go - she could have had any wedding dress - why that one? And the reason will be $$ or she got a loaner or she had to find someone to give her a dress and she got a sample dress. I'm of two minds about a tiara. Will the Queen give her one as she did Fergie and Sophie, or will there be no Tiara, just a couple of mini diamond hair clips while the KP press office tells us how modern it is?

"If Harry and Meghan have kids, they're either going to be absolutely gorgeous or so hideously ugly they should be locked away in a tower. It could go either way. "

We haven't really done that since Richard III.

I let all my ugly children be free range.

Worked out more or less.

Meghan doesn't have the say so to invite her pals to Sandringham or Balmoral. It's a miracle the Middletons get invited from time to time, and they're the in-laws. I think they get to go because it's an "in-kind" exchange. For all the bashing they get, they're quite self-sufficient and I bet the Queen appreciates that they pay their way and provide a literal value add to Will and Kate's life instead of having their hands out like everyone else in the RF. But in any case, no, MM is unable to use Sandringham and Balmoral as a place to invite her socialite friends - or even her mom. I think KP is the only residence where the people living there can have over who they want. Haznat Kahn used to stay there with Diana.

[quote]R419 She can't "leverage" Balmoral and Sandringham into further influence with her Toronto crowd, and it does nothing to help her influence those who have vacationed at Balmoral and Sandringham, namely, the royal family.

Since Sparkles has experience on nighttime soaps, which is basically what TV dramas are, I like the idea of her digging up dirt on Old Liz and blackmailing the olde bat into letting her basically run things. Maybe the queen will end up tied up in a tower one weekend, or the sadle on her riding mount will come loose. The possibilities are endless.

I see a corgie in a pot....

R30, the "Hot Felon" doesn't like or date black women. Only white.

[quote]I think the situation with the cousins and Kate at this point is that if Kate is alone, she has to curtsy to them but if she is with William, they have to curtsy to her. Open to correction.

R350. When Kate is alone, she has to curtsy to Beatrice and Eugenie because they are blood princesses, meaning they were born princesses and royal by birth. Kate is a duchess simply because she married royalty, she is not a blood duchess or princess. When Kate is with William, she does not have to curtsy to Beatrice and Eugenie because Kate in this situation takes on the titled style of her husband. Beatrice and Eugnie do not curtsy to Kate in either situation--whether Kate is alone or when Kate is with William.

Beatrice and Eugenie curtsy to Kate only when she becomes queen, or possibly when Kate becomes the Princess of Wales--and Charles is no longer the Prince of Wales but instead has become king and therefore William will be Prince of Wales.

When I remarry the Duke of York, there will be no curtsying to any of these bitches, Kate, Meghan, no one.

R422 - supposedly the last of the Queen's corgis has died. Willow is no more. There will be no corgis.

I remember that gossip item that showed up right after Sparkle moved into Kensington Palace. Sparkle saying "Hi" to Kate who she saw outside (was Sparkle waiting for her?) who responded in kind and then got in her car and drove away. And Sparkle complaining that they both went shopping to the same place, so why did Kate not ask Sparkle to go with her?

Ha.

Sparkle tried her old tricks to leverage up and connect and be photographed with someone up the ladder and Kate shut her down. Kate, who put up with all kinds of shit when she was dating William is not about to be taken in by the new girl.

Just not going to happen.

Sparkle is really on her own. None of us know if any of the PR about her being "friendly" with any member of the RF is for real. But all those people have their own network of long time friends and family. And they all have to watch their own behavior about accepting freebies, too many vacations, etc. There is no reason for any of them to tie themselves to a new person whose future behavior is yet to be determined.

All Sparkle has is Harry. And perhaps Harry has a short attention span.

Black dress - copy cat.

There's no reason why Kate and Meghan couldn't be friends. William and Kate used to let Harry tag along with them all the time, and the three of them seemed to be true friends. Then it's only natural that they'll welcome Harry's mate into their circle and give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure Meghan is nice to Kate, as Kate is "on brand" with Meghan's new life. Why wouldn't Kate be nice in return. I don't think there will be a cutesy photo-op of the two of them giggling together like school girls. Not because Kate is mean, but more because Kate is very mature and doesn't seem to like to be photographed. I think that neither Kate or William would be rude to Meghan for fear of alienating Harry. Their fishbowl is too small for them to be hostile towards one another.

I think this is nice.

[quote]Meghan Markle's cousin Tyler Dooley is making a cannabis strain for her wedding to Prince Harry and it's called Markle's Sparkle.

There is a difference between being rude to someone and not throwing open your arms to a stranger that you have plenty of reasons to mistrust.

Yes, Harry has always appeared to be close to William and Kate.

But, if you think your brother (or your brother-in-law) is making a huge mistake in his choice of a spouse, completely lowering the drawbridge to that new person would not be safe for your own family.

What's strange is it's so at odds with the whole idea of "family" that crowd seems to embrace.

Being cunty to your sister-in-law isn't very "family oriented".

After the wedding, the media will take off it's gloves regarding Meghan and Harry. They won't forget that letter Harry sent out. Meghan's own trashy family (through no fault of her own) has said the worst stuff about her.

The British tabloids can't wait until she makes her first mistake. They did it to Diana, Fergie and Kate. Of course they kept their mouths shut and let it fade away. I don't think Meg will be able to do that

Sparkle (or is it "Spankles"?) is a modern day Grace Kelly, and will rise above it all.

America is behind her.

The People have spoken.

She looks like Lacey Chabert, right? Is it just me? I feel like her dad, the inventor of Toaster Strudel, will not stand for the press being mean to her!

Wendy Williams interviewed Andrew Morton this week.

Regarding blind item at R427.

Kate was not rude to Sparkle. She said hello and went about her own business.

Sparkle was a friend of Harry, but unknown to Kate.

Kate behaved entirely properly.

The fact that Sparkle went to the gossip columns about it revealed to Kate that Sparkle is not to be trusted and confirmed that Kate was correct to keep her distance.

As has since be revealed, Sparkle is a user.

I’m not a fan of Kate in general, but I appreciate that she seems to have a certain cleverness. And I’m sure she sees right through Meghan, therefore keeping her at arm’s length.

She won’t let anyone like that use her for free photo ops / self PR.

I suspect there won’t be many photo ops with any of the RF. I get the feeling they see right through her and won’t allow themselves to be her stooges but are going along with it to keep Harry happy. When they get divorced the RF will show a united front with him while giving “told you so” side eye behind his back.

R422 - the Corgis are all dead. QE II's last Corgi, Willow, recently had to be put down after a battle with cancer. She has a couple of dorgis left, but the corgis are gone.

Sparkle was dumb dumb dumb as a box of bricks - and so maybe a better match for Harry than we think - to tell that story to Jessica who told it to Lainey who ran it as a "blind" [html removed] item. It immediately exposed Markle as someone not to be trusted, either because only she could have revealed that story and chose to tell it in a negative light, OR she made it up and is trying to undermine Kate. All the "breath of fresh air" bullshit is aimed Kate's way anyway, even though Sparkle is older than Kate.

I think William and Kate love Harry but are probably more than familiar with his issues, and will not let themselves be exploited. I'd guess a "kill them with kindness" combined with "enough rope to hang herself" approach, followed up by being always kind and friendly, but somehow elusive. That photo op with Prince George just never happens. Nor with the new baby or Princess Charlotte. Or, even better, it IS a photo op and looks exactly as if they took a duty photograph with a stranger. Based on Harry's face and demeanor when out and about with Sparkle of late, he is feeling the shame waves big time, and he's not going to foist Sparkle on Kate and his brother more than makes them comfortable. He'll make their excuses to Sparkle. If he had any maturity, he would call this off, but he has none. It's too late anyway. If it's called off now, they have to pay her off, and if it's called off later, they have to pay her off, so maybe Harry thinks his goose is cooked anyway. But how humiliating - your first marriage to a woman you barely know, and after all of your family history you end up costing your father and the family a few million unnecessary millions, while meantime your brother and his wife are SAVING the RF money because her family is wealthy and generous. All while merrily procreating, pushing you further and further away from relevance.

That Lainey blind was an incredibly stupid move on Meghan's part. Seriously, what good could she possibly have thought could come from it?

And to this day Lainey has never discussed her connection to Meghan. She pretends that all her posts about Harry and Meghan are based on her brilliant insight.

Since Kate is the one who takes the pictures of her children, it seems very unlikely there will be any warm and cozy pictures with Sparkle....holding them cuddling them, kissing them, etc.

If Sparkle manages to slip one in, Kate will make sure it never sees the light of day.

You just know that Sparkle wants some pictures with Kate and William's kids.

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Sparkle may not want to be photographed with Will and Kate's expanding brood because it only highlights her age and limited reproductive span. r444.

[quote]r440 - the Corgis are all dead. QE II's last Corgi, Willow, recently had to be put down after a battle with cancer. She has a couple of dorgis left, but the corgis are gone

Why doesn’t she just buy more?

Kate and William don't even allow Uncle Harry pics with the kids, and they are close. No way Meghan gets them. If we ever see her positioned near the kids in a family photo or public event, we'll know it's because Harry pitched a fit insisting on it and had to be placated.

Someone give r447 a calculator and some common sense.

Any remaining pets don't have to be stuffed and entombed with Big Liz when she goes...like they did with the pharaohs.

Sparkle and her Big American Heart would adopt any corgis left over, surely.

I think she should gift the queen with three new baby corgis....

If Meghan thinks she can tarnish Kate, she can think again. Already I see die hard Kate haters rallying to her side. When that #3 comes out, the huzzahs outside the Lindo wing are going to break glass.

[quote] If Meghan thinks she can tarnish Kate, she can think again.

But doesn't Sparkle seem like she'd be more fun to be married to than Kate?

1/They're not going to placate Harry by letting Sparkle be photographed with heirs #1, 2, and 3. Besides, it's very clear now that Harry knows he's blundered HUGE. His dilated pupils, weight loss, pallor, sweats - he should stone up and break it off, but he won't. Same amount of money either way I guess - pay her off now, or pay her off later.

2/Boy, look at Daddy Markle setting up his daughter. He hasn't been in show biz all these years for nothing. First, he's forlornly reading a book about Britain. Now, he's working out. When he doesn't appear at the wedding, it'll seem as if Meghan is embarrassed by his poverty - which she is - and weight - which she is - and has made up a rift.

3/In their most recent photos, Markle has aged. Her eye sockets are sunken, and her eyes are huge (that's how old Hwood did it, making starlets diet down to starvation weight). Her pupils are dilated. We can see the outline of her jutting gum line, like you see w/skeletons. Is she underweight, or on drugs? Her cheekbones jut - is that her cheekbones jutting cause she lost weight, or cheek implants jutting extra sharp cause she's dropped so much weight there's no body fat.

She's hyper, OTT, and a huge mess. She's constantly buzzing. Doesn't know how to chill.

This is bad. Kind of looking forward to the wedding. Only irritant is it's going to be obnoxious - all the charity types recruited to feel honored to stand ankle deep in spring mud for hours - deluded into thinking they're "invited to the wedding." Many actually think they're "invited to the wedding" and have no idea it's a "stand on the grounds" deal. Fuck Harry and Meghan. Sophie and Edward simply made "grounds" tickets available to whomever were interested. It was all straightforward. If anyone wanted to get a ticket, travel to Windsor, and stand around, it was on them. No faux "honor" "invitation."

Only good part of this for me is I've always liked Kate Middleton and all of Britain is now going to make HER their Peoples Princess. Suddenly her virtues are manifest.

No, Sparkle does NOT seem as if she'd be more fun to be married to than Kate. Kate is the person who is not keeping track of if you're doing your 50% of your 50/50. She cuts you slack. You have a great sex life. She never loses her temper. She goes along with your ideas. If you don't know what you're doing and you check in with her, she has sensible advice and good judgment. She does't complain about your family, and HER family loves you and kisses your ass. AND they're rich, and when you need a break, they are there with the checkbook.

Sparkle. She will blow you until you think your dick will fall off. But you look at her eyes and her dead eyes are saying, "Jesus Christ, this is WORK!" she is always on her phone. Occasionally she will prepare a meal stolen from her chef ex-boyfriend's repertoire, but she'll fume because she can't instagram it.

Her personal maintenance routine takes HOURS. She sweats. She smokes. She screams. She's screaming about money. "I had The Tig. I had Suits! This is bullshit! I need my own income. I need my own allowance = to what I gave up!" Harry:"But sweetums, we're a TEAM. We have joint engagements! There is no need for your separate income!" Markle" fuck you! I need my OWN money! Harry: "We're a team!" Markle: "Fuck you - if I want to go to Ibiza on my own, where is the fucking MONEY?" Harry: ......

Over at Will and Kate's: "Snookums, while you were at Pippa's hen party and I spent the weekend w/Guy, my hand hovered semi-near a waitress's lower back. I think it was within a 12" boundary. I'm SORRY Crumpet!" Kate: "Boo, you seem tired. Have a craft beer."

No. Meghan is not more fun to be married to.

How do you know so much about their domestic conversations?

Seriously.... I’m mildly interested in this couple and I don’t profess to watching everything about them but there’s some epic fiction going on in this thread. Some of you could be the new Barbara Cartland with the BS you’re throwing out there. As if any of you what’s a clue as to what’s going on behind the scenes. And I didn’t see one iota of the sweats, dilated pupils and pallor described above. Are you all on another planet? Anyone have some receipts?

Why is it so hard for many here to believe they're just in love?

I think Sparkle pushes him around.

Maybe he gets off on that - story is that the Duke of Windsor did.

But, while some of these recent posts are wild, I do think it's dawning on Harry that perhaps things are not going as swimmingly as he imagined.

What I do find sad, though, is the memory that his mother wanted to back out of her wedding to Charles after she saw the handwriting on the wall, but Diana was told it was too late. For Harry, given that this is a much less important affair, I'm sure the RF could find a way out. Messy to be sure, but better than tying yourself to the wrong person.

Imagine living in close quarters (Nottingham Cottage is pretty small) after most of your courtship was done secretly abroad on romantic getaways. Imagine living under such a microscope that your every move is monitored. Imagine having much of your freedom and anonymity gone and actually getting a picture of what your future life will be like.

Imagine reading the snark that papers and those commenting on articles fling in your direction as those you've dumped pop up with tidbits that you had thought were long buried.

Imagine having no family or close friends that you can spend time with or trust because you've abandoned them on your way up.

While I admit I am not a fan of Sparkle, the more I see recently of this duo is really rather depressing.

I'm happy for them. Whoever he marries, they'll be in the spotlight.

I'm just pleased as punch to see a black American poised to take over Windsor Castle.

[quote]Why do you think no clever artisto girl ever wanted to marry him

Because there aren’t any

R457, what's love got to do with it? He's lonely and horny; she's lonely and desperate.

I hope for their sake they're happy, but I don't really expect it to work out in the long run. She comes from a rather shabby family, with her family members trashing her to the press. She's already leaked stories to the press, herself: it took a while before Charles and Diana were at that point. The Duchess of Cambridge gets a lot of criticism for not being very interested in public life, but she's got two small children and a third on the way. I think people may come to appreciate that she's not particularly publicity-hungry, unlike Meghan. And if/when there's a divorce, Meghan will need to find some source of income other than alimony, and I can only imagine that whatever she attempts will go far beyond Fergie's embarrassing antics.

R459 she’s not black and she will take over nothing. You seem to be having fun though so carry on.

[quote]I'm just pleased as punch to see a black American poised to take over Windsor Castle.

Harry is soon to be sixth in line to the throne, Sparkle ain't taking over shit.

On Kate’s role in the upcoming wedding:

“Frankly, Harry and Meghan are just happy that Kate will be there given she will only just have given birth,” said a source. “They have told her there is no pressure on her to do anything, they just want her to enjoy the day.”

In other words, yet more spin around why the RF is distancing itself from this wedding.

Who does Sparkle know at Vanity Fair? I notice they keep calling her “Kate Middleton” instead her current name/title. Throwing shade at the Duchess? If so, it will backfire. Or maybe just ignorance.

My favorite part of the fan fiction at R454 is the part where they just “know” that Kate offers a great sex life.

I read an article that her father will not be attending the wedding. Well shit just got messy.

Every media outlet calls her Kate Middleton . I find that annoying as well because that hasn't been her name for almost 7 years now but that's what gets them clicks .

R457 I have no problem believing that they're in love , I just think they getting married too early into this relationship . They had a secret long distance relationship hiding away in Toronto or on exotic holidays . They have yet to spend a single day in the daily drag or normality , even now it's not normal because they're wedding planning and everything is exciting and new . And Meghan is giving up everything , her life as she knew it , her country , her job ,her privacy , for this one guy who isn't sacrificing anything in return . His life will not change , he just get an extra add on . I fear that once they're out of the honeymoon period Meghan is going to resent the hell out of this . She hardly can go back , especially if they have children at that point .

They probably are marrying too soon... although it’s not like they’re 20. I just have to laugh at all the psychobabble on this thread from people who’ve never even met the couple. And to criticize her for her “nappy” hair (I’ve never seen it anything but straight and polished) and small calves, well, that says a lot about those criticizing her.

Wendy Williams had Andrew Morton on last week.

Morton, talking about the wedding, strongly (his word) suggested Sparkle reconsider about not inviting her father or any other of her family to the wedding.

His reason?

If not invited, Morton says the family members will be outside, hired by media companies to comment on the wedding!!!!!!

He was not kidding.

Can this be true?

Well, one of the takeaways from this saga is a reminder of the dangers of dumping friends and family as you climb up the ladder.

What goes around, comes around.

I’m thinking daddy will be walking her down the aisle. Weren’t there recent pictures of him exercising? I’m thinking that’s not even in his vocabulary unless he has a “big event” coming up.

Actually, dumping family and friends is fine when you aren't aren't planning on coming back down. That remains to be seen.

[quote] ... dumping family and friends is fine...

As someone who has been enjoying the tales that surface, this saga would be boring without the input from those who were dumped. All we would be left with is the pitiful PR junk from Kensington Palace.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kate doesn't attend, due to giving birth so soon before the wedding.

R475 - My prediction: Kate will attend and she'll be stick thin again by then.

Katie can be rolled in in a wheelchair for 10 minutes. It's not like she'd be treking to Beruit.

Stiff upper lip, and all that - -

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She looks a lot better in R478 link. Still, not 100% where she needs to be, but its a start. I am sure she will start to copy off of Catherine, dress wise. She is also in need of a more polished hairstyle. I dont think I'd mind her if she was not such an obvious ham for the cameras, and just a regular "royal wife". Her ego wont let that happen. Between the PR, camera mugging, and tabloid leaks, she is going to become the villain of the royal family. If she lasts, it will be interesting to see how Liz and the lot handle her. If she bolts, the fall-out is going to be a glorious mess.

I have taken to watching the show SUITS, and also to Sparkle. I do secretly hope she is a Russian mole, groomed to sow discord in London, as they did in the U.S.

Should the royals shun her, I hope she arranges a viewing of a secret Harry sex tape for them, then lays out her demands.

[italic]Go Big or Go Home....

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Re R478 pictures

Good news - she lost the hooker shoes.

Bad news - she keeps handling her hair. I hate people who are forever handling their long hair. Of the pictures shown, I count 4 absolute hair handling and 1 just before/just after hair handling. Stop it, Sparkle. It is really annoying.

Eh news - the dress is pretty bad. She must have gotten the bad news about clothes budget.

The best part of the whole mess is she is absolutely oblivious to how she comes across - she's oblivious to how others react. She's sitting between Harry and Will in the car arriving at Albert Hall - her eyes are popping, teeth showing, she's chatting away. Will is looking out the window, waving, with a pained smile - check it out, no other way to describe it. Harry is looking ahead, unsmiling. Chatty Cathy carries on.

At the reception the other night, she wandered off and Harry had to call after her to get her to stand and pay attention to the people she was supposed to be with. They were about to start and you could see the non-Harry people react as she went in the other direction - didn't know how to call her back. Harry called her to come back, and she was all "Oh, sorry." I think she's totally on auto-pilot, isn't focused on what she's doing AND it shows. I think Harry sees people notice, and Meghan doesn't perceive any problems at all. Or maybe she just doesn't give a shit if they think she's sincere or not.

Since she's gonna be in the press until Kate pops out her third, two things. I'd love her to quit touching her hair and quit wearing the slut strands around her face.

Well the problem with Meghan and her daddy is she used his name for years in her self-branding. In her "Elle" article about having to check black or white as her ethnicity on some paper, she says her dad told her to draw her own box to check. She says since Barbie families didn't come looking like her family, her dad created a doll family for her with a white father doll and black mom doll. She has posted baby pictures of herself and her dad on instagram captioned: "The Markle nose." She's been on talk shows describing how she "Grew up on sets" because her dad worked on General Hospital and Married with Children. She described herself as a "Daddy's girl" in her speech at the UN. So his show biz background was helpful to her in creating her image. If it turns out they've been estranged, that means all the daddy stories are just to use a man she doesn't even like to enhance her image. OR it looks like she's treating the dad who did all those great things for her horribly. I think it's hilarious her dad is trolling her with staged pap photos. He knows the game. He's also tipping the rest of us off about the times she's done it herself.

I guarantee this wedding is going to be so cut rate while the KP blasts press released describing how awesome it is. The florist already says she's "sourcing" (Jesus will that expression never die) the greenery and flowers from Windsor Castle's grounds. IOW - free. Charles ain't paying. They've hauled in a crowd to watch from afar - unpaid extras to make it seem people are excited, except the way it was done half the crowd seems to think they were invited to the actual wedding. Boy are they in for a surprise. Sophie and Edward just made grounds tickets available to anyone who had the interest. None of this "Oh, you have been specially selected for the honor of standing on the grounds - except we're insinuating you're invited to the wedding - read the fine print - it says "Share in the atmosphere!" Meghan's dress might be a slight upgrade from the mix and match hit and miss she's been wearing up to now, but it's going to be whatever she could get, not a custom design, and if she's lucky Charles will pay to have it altered. Or not.. She might have those two strands of hair hanging in her face, setting her up for eternal ridicule. We'll get fawning mentions of her "hand made slippers." Harry will have lost about 30 pounds and be up there looking like he wishes he were dead.

I wonder if Charles will pay for a nice honeymoon, or if Harry will take her glamping again.

Pippa is preggo!!!

[quote]R484 the whole mess is she is absolutely oblivious to how she comes across - she's oblivious to how others react. She's sitting between Harry and Will in the car arriving at Albert Hall - her eyes are popping, teeth showing, she's chatting away. Will is looking out the window, waving, with a pained smile - check it out, no other way to describe it. Harry is looking ahead, unsmiling. Chatty Cathy carries on.

A grown woman in this day and age does not need to take her cues from Her Man and artificially modify her behavior to please Him. It sounds like you're horrified she would smile, or talk.

If Will looks pained and Harry is unsmiling, perhaps they need a good enema...or some other medicinal attention.

(OR someone like Sparkle, who behaves normally.)

R487 like it or not she has put herself in the position where she is expected to take subsidiary place to the higher ranking person. This isn’t about “taking cues from Her Man”, Philip takes second place to the queen because she is the higher ranking person. This is not about inequality between the sexes. She chose this.

r487 you are such a dumb cunt. This is about Royal protocol.

[quote]At the reception the other night, she wandered off and Harry had to call after her to get her to stand and pay attention to the people she was supposed to be with. They were about to start and you could see the non-Harry people react as she went in the other direction - didn't know how to call her back. Harry called her to come back, and she was all "Oh, sorry." I think she's totally on auto-pilot, isn't focused on what she's doing AND it shows. I think Harry sees people notice, and Meghan doesn't perceive any problems at all. Or maybe she just doesn't give a shit if they think she's sincere or not.

R84 is correct. Here's a clip of the embarrassing incident, where Harry to has to try to corral and redirect her.

R490 are you kidding me? That was an embarrassing incident? It was a trifle. Geez... I know we overuse Drama Queen but if the shoe fits...

R487, YES, a royal has to take cues. She is there for the people, not there to do "whatever." It's an "engagement" where she, like all the RF, has a specific role to play, and a protocol to observe. If she's over the top, gabbing when she's supposed to be listening, oblivious to how people are reacting, it means she is fucking up at her JOB. When she drifted away, every single person in that little cluster knew she did the wrong thing. They all reacted. All of them knew how it was supposed to work. They'd gotten an agenda sheet, a schedule, and who would be who in each small group. It was their time to interact with Meghan and Harry, and Meghan was clueless. She would have gotten the same prep as Harry and the group she was supposed to be engaging, she was just out of it and didn't pay attention.

BTW, when Will, Harry and Meghan show up for the Queen's birthday, it is not a private occasion or they'd be celebrating it at home. It's a public occasion. Will is behaving properly, looking out the window and waving. Meghan is gabbing her face off, ignoring the reason she's there, which is to be part of the RF and interact with the public by noticing them.

Meghan is, though, doing a good job showing what bullshit her so-called humanitarian experiences have been. In her mind, those appearances are about HER, and the charity and location is background. If she had real practice focusing on her environment, she wouldn't be practically voguing her way through her RF appearances now. It just shows that voguing, posing, and making it about her is what her previous life was all about, and what she's most practiced in.

Meghan is supposed to be training in royal protocol. Even non-subjects are given instruction on what to do when meeting with royals. These little snafus are a big deal because it means the lessons aren't taking or she just doesn't care enough to follow through. I'm sure they're giving her some grace period, but if she doesn't shape up she will not be given the kind of opportunities in political and humanitarian causes she claims to want. She'll be relegated to Harry's +1 at his stuff and not much more.

Now, maybe, that's what she wants. A cush life with no real responsibilities. If so, she's just not caring.

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I don't think it will be a cush life if Meghan has no money of her own. It'll be like living in an Edith Wharton book - comfortable surroundings, none of it belonging to you, you just get to live there. She won't be able to make the choices a person with their own money gets to make. She can't accept the invitations she wants to accept. She's got no place to go and nothing to do but hang out with Harry.

I suspect she's going to start throwing fits and trying to demand an "allowance" on par with what she'll claim she gave up - such as her income from The Tig. The argument back to her will be "But you don't need it - everything is provided."

Eugenie's fiance, Jack the struggling so-called pub manager now glorified 'wine merchant' is in the same boat as Sparkle, r496.

That's the whole reason learning the correct protocol is important. If she's going to be making official appearances on behalf of the Royal Family, I assume she draw an allowance for that. But that's a job, with its own parameters, and she's going to have to learn how to do it correctly. Kate isn't exactly inspiring, but her behavior and demeanor are usually pretty impeccable. Will and Harry have grown up knowing this: you can watch films of them not long after Diana's death, and it was clear they knew the drill: working your way down the line, making small talk and shaking hands.

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I guess she'll learn. It's a bit of challenge at the moment. Wait until Harry takes a mistress. Could be a bumpy road ahead.

R454 - what do you mean she sweats? are women not expected to sweat? you seem confused about human biology. Do you not seat?

You marry me for my money, then demand to work. You're the prince of perversion!

R501 I think he meant visibly sweaty. Beads of sweat on the face or not normal unless it’s a really hot day.

R501 In the rarefied world of aristocracy horses sweat, gentlemen perspire, ladies glow. Unless she's menopausal - then sweating would be unavoidable. Even seated.

[quote]R488 like it or not she has put herself in the position where she is expected to take subsidiary place to the higher ranking person.

Fuck off. She's an American and can do as she likes.

Big Liz isn't even her [italic]mother-in-law[/italic]. Nor her sovereign.

And I presume Harry proposed to our Sparkle. If he doesn't like it, he can rescind the offer, or get real.

[quote]R492 She is there for the people...It's an "engagement" where she, like all the RF, has a specific role to play, and a protocol to observe...Meghan is gabbing her face off, ignoring the reason she's there, which is to be part of the RF and interact with the public by noticing them.

And where is her paycheck?

R505 is a parody, right?

R505 No, not a parody. Sparkle might not even be a royalist (and what right minded person in this day and age [italic]is?)[/italic]

Her marriage may be entirely separate from politics. That's her HUSBAND'S job, not hers.

The Brits seem to expect her to jump through hoops for THEIR country. Well, it is not HER country.

OK, not a parody, just completely clueless.

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[quote]And I don't know why the meme is that Herr Markle is a good guy

Didn't she play a huge part in that when it useful for page views? If she wasn't rhapsodizing about him standing in Toys R Us destroying a box of dolls and leaving the remains for the store to throw out, she was posting about him overnighting soup from LA to Chicago.

[quote]In college when I was homesick, my dad would go to Greenblatt’s or Victor’s Deli and overnight express mail me the soup I loved so much – packed in dry ice no less. (Easily making it the most expensive matzo ball soup known to man.) But it was my penicillin, and my association with this soup (as with most foods I love) was rich in story and family memories, of feeling warmed and feeling loved.

Yeah, I also noticed, r510. Harry always has his hands in his suits - it's a Royal Mannerism Thing. But I noticed at the Queen's celebration, he looked indifferent to her. Thoght it was just me noticing that.

[quote]R512 I noticed at the Queen's celebration, he looked indifferent to her.

Indifferent to his grandmother?

Praise God...he's growing some balls.

Interesting thing about your clip, R490, is that is the blond woman she is paying attention to, who is leading her away. Not looking in Harry's direction.. Not at the people at the event.

I think the blond woman works for her or is her assistant or whatever because she looks like the same woman who came over and took the black over my shoulders jacket from Sparkle after Sparkle removed it to show off her Oshkosh white with black stripes overall dress at that other event this past week.

What is this about Sparkle's father destroying dolls in Toys R Us?

Well, Sparkle didn't make into the Royal Family Group Shot at the Albert Hall for the Queen's Birthday Celebration.

Eugenie's fiance did, though.

Oh, wait, she did make it into another shot.

Except you can't see her face because all you see is her dangling hair.

[quote]If she wasn't rhapsodizing about him standing in Toys R Us destroying a box of dolls and leaving the remains for the store to throw out, she was posting about him overnighting soup from LA to Chicago.

R511, I have the same question that R515 has, if you don't mind sharing a bit more.

^^ they're trying to hide her because the Saxe-Coburg Gothas are racist...as per usual.

It was on her blog; her idea of a cute story, apparently. There were boxed sets of family dolls in the store — one white and one black — so rather than buying one of each set and swapping the dolls after he had paid, he opened the boxes, mixed the dolls, then put the opened box with the dolls he didn't need back on the shelf.

I'll post it if I can find it again.

That dangling piece of hair on Nutmeg makes her look like some backup dancer from Vegas on the So You Think You Dance tryouts.

So what you're saying is, he allowed another biracial child to feel better about themselves, further down the road.

^^ for r520

R515/R518...

[quote]This is the same man who took apart two Barbie boxed sets (because you could only buy a white Barbie family or a black one), and made a custom one to bring home to me- his speciality set included a black Barbie mom, a white Ken doll dad, and two kids – one black and one white. I picture him standing there in Toys R Us, moms glaring at him for taking the toys apart, perhaps an employee saying “excuse me sir, you can’t do that” — as my dad carefully separated the boxed sets to make one that echoed my reality. One that showed me that I should (and could) make my own box.

R511, R524, Thank you!

I hope she enhances her wedding dangle with twists and tiny butterfly clips.

R513 Are you serious? Lilibet is running the show. When she asked Will to stand up at the balcony of Buckingham Palace Will stood up in a second. Meghan seems unwilling to learn the protocol. She needs to learn and respect it or she will be kept away from official situations. It’ll be a boring life inside the palace waiting for her husband to arrive from his duties.

R519, when you click on R517's photo to enlarge it, she's included on the far right along with Anne's husband and Prince Edward, and on the far left, the photo also includes Princess Alexandra and the Duke of Kent. I doubt those other people were excluded because of racism. It's just an unusually wide camera shot.

First of all, Eugenie's fiancee is not in the same boat, because he embraces the protocol, is comfortable in the royal family, has been with Eugenie for seven years, and everyone knows him and likes him. Clearly since most of us got a good look at him only when they announced the engagement, he does not seek the limelight. BECAUSE he is allowed to continue his career in hospitality - and of course his royal connections have helped him get positions and advance - he has his own money. Furthermore, he is happy being part of the Firm and doing his bit. AND he actually likes being with Eugenie and sharing his life with her, being a team.

Meghan sees the RF as a means to enhance her own brand and be a bigger celebrity. She will not be able to do this without independence. Without being able to stage things for herself. She has trapped herself, because she can do none of this, and without a job is completely dependent, and without family or friends to hang with in the U.K., she's only got Harry. Her agenda, IOW, is different than the agenda of Eugenie's guy, but she's not going to be able to achieve it. She'll be shunted off to the side, and if she continues acting carelessly about her job, she's going to have fewer opportunities in the public eye.

IMO when Harry described the "job" to Meghan, he told her she would be under a constant spotlight, people paying incessant attention to everything she does, the media would never let her alone, and blah blah blah. Could she handle it? Meghan could hardly contain her excitement - it was like offering an addict tons of meth. "Yes yes yes! I can handle being the center of attention at all times on the global stage!!!!"

What she didn't take on board was she would have no control over the format. She's not going to be in Botswana dressed in a cross between safari-garb and tasteful regional costume, getting photographed looking like Angelina Jolie or Amal Clooney. She's going to be wearing basically dreary clothes, attending tedious events, meeting people who will become a blur to her because they're not celebs, shaking hands and LISTENING. She's going to schools, flag raisings, dedications, in all kinds of weather. It's Kate and Will who will be meeting other royals, and Charles and Camilla - not Meghan and Harry. She and Harry likely will not have a private plane take them to the Invictus games in Australia. Other than that, it's stay at Kensington Palace, or out in the country at whatever country home the queen provides. Many of Harry's guy posse are married now, but I'm sure some will invite the two of them to yacht, or spend a weekend, where they'll mock her mercilessly behind her back.

And, worst of all, she's going to have to silently tolerate racist shit like the Blackamoor brooch stunt. No more inspirational blog posts or speeches about overcoming moments like that and what it means to her as a mixed race women's activist. She will never, ever be able to call out that kind of shit.

Until the divorce, of course. Then it will be all about how they never really accepted her.

When Meghan gets divorced, she'll get a pay off that's conditional on her keeping quiet. I think that was a misstep with Diana's pay-off, but of course, the queen ordered them to get divorced already, so the horse had left the barn. I fully expect, though, for Meghan to retreat to the states and immediately start spilling the beans either directly or through friends. BUT, it will come off incredibly self-serving and everyone will see through it.

I think Sparkle in the picture at R517 is pretty funny.

A big chance to be photographed in the RF group shot and you can't really see her BECAUSE OF THE HAIR DANGLING.

Fix your hair, Sparkle.

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Re the pictures at R17.

Note that the closest members of the Queen's family are not applauding.

That includes Prince Charles, Camilla, Prince Andrew, Princess Anne. Prince Edward, on the far right, does not appear to be applauding either. And Prince William, with his hands clasped in front is clearly not applauding.

Some point of protocol, perhaps, where the immediate family does not applaud? Or is it rank?

Meghan is going to damage the royal family by exposing how boring and weird it all is. Already her presence and demeanor make it seem like a reality show. It always has been, but an elevated one. I now know more about royal finances and how things work and a lot of it is a shell game. It really isn't like being married to someone fabulously wealthy with everything at your disposal. It's pretty much one specific lifestyle and not much scope beyond it, and that lifestyle is country. The queen has country properties - she doesn't have villas, penthouses, yachts (anymore), and huge tracts of land in Africa. When we see the royal family photographed in places like that, it's through friends. Kate's uncle Gary, Will's friends the Craigs, Harry's girlfriend's family the Davys, Will's cousin Viscount Lynley (Provence). Unless Meghan ingratiates herself with this crowd, she's going to be stuck at Kensington Palace or way out in the country. Many of Harry's friends have wives, and I think their tolerance for having Meghan underfoot telling them what the holes in the bread are or suggesting zucchini spirals in the pasta is going to be limited. She's also a slob, going by one video on youtube.

Harry is in love now and mistakes Meghan is making all the time might look funny, but for how long? How long the firm will tolerate it? Until the wedding? Meghan is doing harm for her position in RF and one day media will give it all back. I hope she has Harry on her side to handle it. British tabloids are cruel harsh unforgiving.

[quote]R527 She needs to learn and respect it or she will be kept away from official situations. It’ll be a boring life inside the palace waiting for her husband to arrive from his duties.

Because standing around in the wretched English weather and breaking champagne bottles against ships' hulls is such an exciting life.

I thought Harry was in love, or at least in lust, but he has looked absolutely miserable the past weeks. He doesn't look her in the eye, and at one point when she was gabbing loudly and waving her hands, his eyes scanned the people she was talking at and he swallowed very hard. He has lost a ton of weight. His pupils were dilated at that evening reception. I think he's now embarrassed by everything from her clothes to her behavior, and struggling to deal with it. This wedding is going to be a farce. Her dress is going to be something repurposed, not custom, I guarantee - probably Stella McCartney. It's been reported Prince William is going to divide his day between the wedding and the soccer, and of course Kate has every excuse to simply show for the ceremony and then go back home.

Meghan has lost so much weight her face has become very gaunt, and it's aging, particularly with her tendency to be overly animated in public. In the car you can see her cheekbones popping, the hollows under her cheeks, her neck cords straining, her her mouth gaping, while William grimaces out the window and Harry looks stoic.

R538, well that's the job description, and in the engagement interview Meghan could hardly wait. I think she pictured herself globe hopping and glamorous photo ops, but she's going to be out in all weathers watching special needs kids play sports or supporting some group's kitchen garden project.

If she actually marries Harry, she's going to have to get herself out there, or sit around doing what? She doesn't have money. Sending complaining emails to her friends in the USA who will click "save" and then sell them later? Watching TV? Picking out a protection officer to sleep with? Meantime, she will be 37, and the longer she stays married, the fewer her options will be when she's finally out of the marriage.

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Why anyone would want to marry into the Royal Family is beyond me.

I can only think that their secret courtship led her to believe that kind of excitement and trips was what her life would be like.

No. Not at all.

She may have gone to good schools but she seems to have done no real research on what this life actually is. I can forgive the Windsors as they are not really very bright and this is what they were raised for, and I don't think Sparkle is stupid. But she certainly dropped the ball here unless she really loves him and is willing to give up her entire life, future, and independence. It might have sounded like a fairy tale, but I suspect truly independent, smart women would have turned and run.

[quote]r540 she's going to have to get herself out there, or sit around doing what?

See friends? Pursue interests? It's not like one needs a huge income to live a pleasant life. She's hardly a Welfare mom who'll have her lights turned off.

Doing things on a comfortable, regular scale would, I'm sure, be much more fulfilling than living a constant "official" life that's choked with outdated ritual. Personally, I'd prefer minimizing that side of my day. Let Kate do it.

You forget she's an American, which is about liberty and a "Can Do" attitude. There's no need to worry about her.

And her comment to a friend that "We are going to change the world."

In what way did she imagine? By setting some government policy?

Did she think her charity ventures qualified her to discuss serious issues with people who are educated in the particular matters and have spent their working lives trying to solve these problems. Royal presence can call attention to things, but isn't that as far as it can go, unless there are funds to make a difference. I understand that Prince Charles' trust does some serious work but I can't see anyone who works on that, serious people, are going to be interested in anything Sparkle has to say. She's just not qualified.

The average person might be just fine with that R543, but Meghan is giving up a much bigger life than the average person. Even with a C-list at best acting career, she managed to parlay it into speaking engagement at the UN and a lifestyle blog that got her merching contracts and some constant attention/validation.

She's not going to be OK with settling for a "pleasant life." People like that don't subject themselves to jobs like modeling suitcases on game shows.

R543 - What friends? What interests? Her interests were traveling, instagramming, networking. She's done with all that. She's in the U.K. Her friends were in Toronto, and since she shed so many on the way up, including professional associates she no longer needed, it's going to be difficult. Jessica Mulroney is based in Toronto, and is already shady, passing on Kate gossip she gets from Meghan to Lainey. Meghan only just moved to the U.K. and has no friends here.

Will was lucky to find Kate, who truly loved him, and is clearly 100% loyal and trustworthy. That showed in how his family participated in the wedding, and how the queen has thrown everything in the jewelry vault at Kate. Kate, IMO, was one of the few who would love Will enough to actually marry him into that life.

People think the two princes could choose from millions of girls, but the reality is the suitable dating pool is limited. Those in that dating pool already have money, freedom and connections, and there's not a lot of upside to marrying Will or Harry unless they're truly in love.

So Harry went and got someone from a dating pool where she was one of the few girls who didn't have her own money. She had her own income, but that's different than money. Her income was a salary on a basic cable TV show - which means low salary in terms of show business. And it was income from instagram. No family money as a safety net, no net worth, no assets. No property. The Tig has been shut for months; she's been off Suits for a year. So, clearly, being offered what she thought was the lifestyle funded by someone else, along with global fame - she jumped. She's always tried to upgrade with each relationship, but she screwed up here, upgrading herself right out of control and money of her own.

[quote]R545 She's not going to be OK with settling for a "pleasant life."

I think she'll have access to more than that. She can see theater, she can accept invitations, not all of which need be attended with her husband in tow. She can write, act, or found her own charity if that's what she's truly interested in. She could do licensing under her own name. She could release an autobiography, or something flimsy titled "The First Hundred Days". She has a million options, and she's not a starry-eyed teen like the typical royal bride. Most importantly, as an American she's not steeped in the freezing intimidation of having to grovel and Kiss the Ring of whever's on the throne.

As for spending money, Edvard & Wallis never spent a dime of their own. Plenty of commoners are [italic]thrilled[/italic] to pick up the check for any association with royalty. It gives them a sense of cachet, even if it isn't of the highest order.

She's been showing us what her so-called charity affiliations have really been about - posturing and being a poseur. If she had had genuine interest she wouldn't be appearing around with Harry looking distracted, OTT, and confusing it with the red carpet.

Oh please, Kate and Pippa were groomed from birth to marry a rich man. Kate doesn't know what she wants - she was set by her mother to target William and that's what she did.

[quote]R549 Oh please, Kate and Pippa were groomed from birth to marry a rich man. Kate doesn't know what she wants - she was set by her mother to target William and that's what she did.

Kate also has no interest or experience outside being a royal wife and mother. Despite marrying well, her sights are low.

Oh that's bullshit 549, just typical Kate haters.

Upthread, the person who thinks Meghan has all these options as a royal if she doesn't go on engagements - what fan fic did that come from? She most certainly cannot ACT, do a license agreement under her name, write an autobiography. Not as a royal she can't. She's been living in the U.K. a very short time, so what 'friends' do you imagine she'll hang with. We'll see from her wedding how limited the group of "friends" actually is. Start a Foundation? With what money?

She can go to the theatre, sure. Diana used to see "Phantom of the Opera" over and over. Meghan can also hang out with an arms' dealer's son who has a cocaine problem, if they don't think she's too old (she's not in her 20s, she's in her late 30s, and by the time this mess is over she'll be over 40).

What we have been talking about is what are Meghan's options if she doesn't do her job as a RF spouse responsibly and seriously. She has none. She can bolt, that's an option, and then she can run back home to the states and sell her story in violation of her divorce settlement, which she undoubtedly is guaranteed to do. But if she stays married, she has no money and no control and few options, because unlike all the other women who married into the RF, she has nothing behind her. No family money like Chelsea, Kate, Cressida, etc.

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor were ostracized from the RF and had to hang out with Eurotrash and flirt with Hitler. They were both miserable most of their lives. I didn't see either of them starting a foundation, wri

Yeah, all these notions of what Meghan "can" do demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the restrictions on royals. IT dovetails quite nicely with the sugar fiction that she and Harry are going to "transform!" the monarchy. Yeah, um, no.

Meghan is not going to be a Diana (who was far more limited in her choices than her media savvy suggested). She's going to be a Fergie at best--lots of flashy press and pitting her "glamour" against other royal women which will quickly evaporate or turn ugly as the reality that she has zero power or influence sets in. She will always be under the gun for doing too little or trying to do too much. The dwindling number of people who care about the royals are very traditionalist. The real lasting interest lies with Will, Kate and their children.

[quote]R551 She most certainly cannot ACT, do a license agreement under her name, write an autobiography. Not as a royal she can't.

You're saying that legally she cannot? Or it's just not what's been done before?

[quote]She's been living in the U.K. a very short time, so what 'friends' do you imagine she'll hang with.

Hopefully we make friends [italic]throughout[/italic] our lifetime. And friends fall in to different catagories - there's shopping friends, workout friends, drinking friends, gallery hopping friends, dinner party friends, charity work friends, heart-to-heart friends etc. etc. etc...friends with benefits. Friends who come visit you, or invite you to visit them. Friendship is what you make it.

[quote]Start a Foundation? With what money?

Donors...and those who'd like to sit on a board. It can be a small foundation, tailored to a special interest. If we're talking about a social outlet, she could start one that's basically merely a front for giving parties and attracting spenders.

[quote]What we have been talking about is what are Meghan's options if she doesn't do her job as a RF spouse responsibly and seriously. She has none.

Oh please. She's not Rapunzel in a tower. And even Rapunzel cut off her hair to climb down and do what she wanted. That's the whole point of the story - empowerment.

That link at R541 finally mentions the uncle who got her the job at the US Embassy in South America.

Michael Markle, brother of Sparkle's father. He helped her got the job in the US Embassy in Argentina. US diplomat now retired.

Not invited.

But the celebrity vet who treated the dog with the 2 broken legs (who died, if stories are true) - he's got an invite.

Sorry, that should have been "get", not "got".

LOL at the fantasy Meghan can model herself after a princess in a fairy tale. Yeah, that's about right.

Poor dog with the broken legs...

Just thinking ahead to when Harry brings his mistress around.... will Sparkle break his legs as well?

The lover's?

No royal can start a business of their own (no cashing on your royal title and connections) or write an autobiography (Princess Michael writes about OTHER people's lives not her own). Anyone who thinks that is either very naive or completely uninformed about what it means to be royal. There are rules and protocol to follow and there is no way that a pushy American is going to change those rules. Well, she can TRY but she will be mercilessly raked over the coals and so she should be. Being complacent about her position or trying to make money from her title would be the quickest way to hall of shame. The British public would turn on her pretty quickly as would the press. Off with her head.

R559 Being complacent about her position or trying to make money from her title would be the quickest way to hall of shame. The British public would turn on her pretty quickly as would the press. Off with her head.

She is a grown ass woman with her own identity. People are already putting her in the “hall of shame,” here, and saying she’ll never be accepted. So, she can just move forward as her needs dictate.

No one is answering with facts as to her legal obligation not to lend the name Meghan Markle to anything....whatever that could entail. Are we saying lawyers would shut it down pre-inception, or the royals and their crowd would merely frown?

Americans don’t care about their stodgy old Brit GRANDMOTHER-in-law frowning at them.

Won't the protocol change when the Queen dies and Charles is in charge? Bored Meghan will push the boundaries in creating and promoting her story. Charles will seethe, but I think he would want to avoid a confrontation with Harry.

Fergie was a bigger deal than Meghan. She married the 4th in line to the throne (at the time), son of the reigning monarch, and she became the monarch's daughter in law. Meghan will be marrying the 6th in line, grandson of the reigning monarch. She won't be daughter-in-law to the monarch until Charles has succeeded. The queen could hang on for another ten years; Meghan is likely to have bolted by then.

R561, Charles does not give a fuck.

Sparkle has been climbing up the ladder.

To stay at her current position (or the position she would assume if she marries Harry) requires that she adapt to that position. Refusal will most probably mean a reduction of her public life and if her "duties" are reduced, doesn't that mean the money is cut as well?

I think that the Royal Family (and company) wields considerable power behind the scenes.

Those "charitable" events don't just happen. They are arranged and take time and energy to do so. And, of course, the cooperation of those involved. Should Sparkle wish to "go rogue", would charities go along at the risk of losing real Royal patronage?

As for Charles, not giving a fuck, does anyone really think that he and Camilla will fork out lots of money to clothe Sparkle if she doesn't toe the line. Camilla is tough as nails and while Charles may waver, his wife will undoubtedly play hardball, as Diana found out. Camilla will not allow Charles to be taken advantage of. And, after all, Harry is not HER son, so if his wife causes him trouble, would Camilla be broken hearted?

You need money to be a fashion plate if you are prohibited from taking freebies and if the cash flow is reduced, so is the wardrobe and other perks.

I meant Charles doesn't give a fuck about the fee fees of his fellow royals, including his own kids. He's stingy as fuck (except when it comes to himself and Camilla) and has no problem tightening the purse strings and changing protocol to his liking no matter how anyone feels about it. It's only going to be worse once he's on the throne.

[quote]Americans don’t care about their stodgy old Brit GRANDMOTHER-in-law frowning at them.

You’re speaking for everybody? You’ve met us all?

She CHOSE this life. She will do as she’s told because she won’t jeopardize the best meal ticket she ever pursued.

Meghan CANNOT do any of those things without permission. Donors are not going to donate to her fucking rogue foundation if they know the RF does not approve, because the RF is more status than she is.

Meghan cannot act, write, do a license agreement under her name while giving a cold shoulder to royal engagements while all the time living off RF money. She'll find herself minus a husband and out in the cold. You must think there's a long line up of rich, status-conscious people (versus shady, trashy people) willing to back Meghan's projects with $$ while she is on the outs with the royals.

Any attempt on her part would be hugely unpopular, because it would simply bear out the story that she's a user. That she joined the royal family as a platform for self-promotion, had no interest in the actual work the family does, thinks she's the one in control and outranks others above her, and is a complete taker. I read somewhere someone saying "I hope Meghan ignores protocol and just uses her platform!" That platform IS the fucking protocol and everything else. It's not HER platform, it's the RF platform. If she thinks it's about her it's not going work out. If she wants to live off other p eople's money, she'll have to give something in return, and the people who'd rather be in good with Meghan Markle than the RF are probably not the people who'd do her any good. For all his blather Harry likes being royal. Yes, he wants to have it both ways, but he likes being royal - the status and the perogatives. If she starts blowing it off she's going to be shut down, and unless, as you seem to think, there are many many wealthy people willing to subsidize Meghan as she wanders off the reservation, she is dependant on the RF and her husband, financially and in every other way. Diana wandered around stateless for a long time after her divorce, and she actually had a base at KP and some of her own money. But finding a life for herself outside KP was difficult. She wasn't welcome at Althorp, and when you end up yachting with Dodi Fayad while you're Diana Spencer, I don't think Markle is going to do better.

Besides, is your scenario that Markle blows off the RF protocol and engagements while USING them for her own shit? Let's see how that works out!

Americans don't care? It's the BRITISH PEOPLE who will care. Americans don't matter a fuck. Sparkle is going to be British, and if she marries into the monarchy only to piss on it, she will have confirmed the worst rumors about her behavior, that she's a complete user and a narcissist.

I also think you completely overestimate Americans interest in Markle. She was unknown until her Harry engagement.

Not to mention it's really obvious that the bloom is already off the rose for Harry. If he were so besotted with Meghan he'd open his own wallet and pay for some of her wardrobe, instead of leaving her to random odd bits and pieces she gets from merchandising or Jessica Mulroney's connections, or raiding what parts of her civilian wardrobe can sort of work in her current position. She's got no one. It's pretty amazing to believe that people with money and position are going to give Meghan either one when she showed who she is marrying into the most famous family in the world and proceeding to exploit the spotlight THEY gave HER while ignoring what they're about and what her job is in the family. Sure, that's a woman who is going to have every billionaire in Europe dying to write her a check.

The sugars don't get this. They think Meghan is going to so dazzle everyone (with the same looks and charm that couldn't get her more than a C-list career in Hollywood) that she's going to do whatever she wants and they'll all still love her. And of course she's going to magically Transform the Monarchy! with zero authority or influence.

The bloom could be off the rose as another poster said. I watched a video of Harry and Meg in the royal box at the Queen's Albert Hall celebration. Harry just seemed to ignore Meghan as shetried to talk to him.

Just watch. Both continents have taken her to their bosom. If our Sparkle wanted, I wouldn’t be surprised if Will left Kate for her, further down the line.

Bitch doesn't even notice the mud on her heels when she meets the PM of Australia and she's supposed to "transform" the monarchy? She should concentrate on mastering dressing herself properly before she sets her sites on those higher ambitions. Seriously, her sugars give her way too much credit. She's making way too many stupid mistakes. Harry does not look like a man in love. He looks stressed, unhappy and sometimes even angry when he's with her. He is regretting this big time.

Their whole relationship moved way too quickly. I know her eggs aren't getting any younger but she should have lived with Harry for at least a year before getting engaged. That way she would have had more time to learn and observe. She could have quietly and slowly worked her way into things and figured out if she was prepared for this role and if it really is what she wanted. But she overestimated her abilities as much as her sugars do and she thought she could hit the ground running.

You sure hit the ground running honey. You got mud on your shoes doing so. Now clean that shit up.

An interesting article about the finances of the Queen and the Royal Family.

It's from 2013, but gives some of the history too.

It sounds as if, assuming the information in this article is still accurate, that aside from the money from their mother, which is held in trust, any other money coming to Will & Kate, and Harry comes directly from Prince Charles's income from the Duchy of Cornwall.

So, Prince Charles is currently paying the bills for Harry and when he marries, his spouse, along with Will & Kate and their family.

When Charles becomes king, the income from the Duchy of Cornwall will go to William. If I read this correctly, Prince Harry & his family will then depend on the King (Charles) for their income.

Both William and Harry get an income from the trust set up from the money that Diana left them, after it was taxed.

Any Brits on here who can comment if there have been changes since this article appeared?

Watch Harry at the very beginning of this video and then at 4:13 minutes of this video. What is eating Harry?

Here's what I expect of the wedding:

A weirdly flat atmosphere. Everyone who should be present in the RF is present, but minimal interaction.

Meghan smiley, Harry alternately trying to sell it and looking dire.

They'll try to pad the bride's side of the aisle, but nobody will have a clue who these people are.

No Daddy Markle, no Markles. Almost no "friends" of Meghans.

Vendors (paid) talking up how marvellous the ceremony was, how clearly in love the couple, how they're mating for life.

Kate shows for the ceremony but is absent thereafter - just had a baby, you know.

Will shows for the ceremony, but misses the reception - he has to represent the RF at FA.

No tiara for Meggy.

Some sort of cobbled together dress from Stela McCartney, re-tailored for Meghan, but the actual base of the dress is several seasons old.

We'll get press releases galore telling us the dress was 90,000USD and her sleepers were handmade from gossamer by the fairies - or by a charitable concern somewhere whose members just wanted to say thank you.

Subdued atmosphere outside by the unpaid extras.

She WON'T have the two pieces of hair hanging in front of her face.

The big WTF of her ensemble will be the veil.

She'll be so thin she'll be gaunt, which normally would make her look 10 years older than Harry, but he'll be pale and skinny himself.

He's probably annoyed that Meghan wasn't given the seat right next to Liz. After all, she's the Queen's favorite now, right? And fuck protocol, they are transforming the monarchy. So Meghan should have gotten the best seat and been in all the photos because she is the future of the family, right?

R574, I read the same thing about the finances. Diana's estate was taxed at approximately 40%? then there were bequests. After that there were two trusts set up, each trust divided evenly between William and Harry. Both now have access to the income, but only one of the trusts' income is for their maintenance - the Residual Trust. The other trust seems to be there for them to use in charitable endeavors, grants, foundations, etc. It is estimated that Harry's income is approximately 400 USD a year.

So of course Charles supplements the income of his children and their spouse(s), although it is at his discretion. He pays for Kate's official wardrobe.

Of course there are perks galore that are almost as good as income. For example, the queen gave Amner Hall to Kate and William. It's a property that had been in the RF since Queen Victoria - a residence of various royals at various times, and also a rental property. I imagine Charles pays to staff the place.

In addition to doling out homes (Kate and Will's home, and Princess Anne's home which HM privately purchased for Princess Anne - it's a country estate), the Queen will also throw jewelry in the direction of her family. The stuff that's gifted and not on loan can be sold at some point if necessary.

William and Kate's London home is free of charge in Kensington Palace, and they didn't pay to renovate it. Harry's Nottingham Cottage is also free of charge, and he and Will have the keys to at least two cottages on the grounds of the QM's country properties.

There is another element, however. Not only does Charles supplement Will and Kate, but it's clear the Middletons do as well. They paid six figures towards the wedding (not a patch on the total cost, but probably appreciated nonetheless) and paid for Kate's dress. Will's infamous "dad dancing" weekend was actually a Middleton-financed trip. The Middletons hired a private plane to take Kate, Pippa and Pippa friends to a hen party weekend at a ski resort in France, and took Will along as well so he could shoot up to his friend Guy Pelly's in Venable.

Such bollocks about Meghan being the future of anything RF. That's George, Charlotte, and # 3. Meghan isn't just older than Kate, she's older than Will.

Another article on the Queen's finances from 2014.

I think my favorite rule about the royals is that the Queen (or King) is the only person in the UK who can drive without a license. For some reason that cracks me up.

[quote]R561 Won't the protocol change when the queen dies and Charles is in charge?

This will be the title of Sparkle's reality show: [italic]CHARLES IN CHARGE - U.K.[/italic]

Who WOULDN'T watch ? ?

r580, its particularly a concern when the Queen is 90+ in age.

r581: I want, I want, Charles in charge of me!

r580, it's because the licenses are issued in Her Majesty's name.

For a "very high profile actress", Nutmeg should have styled her hair to show her face not her dangling strand.

Sparkle's sloppy and long dangling hair strand ruined the elegance of whatever she was going after.

She's such a mess. I expected her to be kind of fakey and, as Jan Moir put it "Glutinous" in her demeanor while doing engagements with Harry, but I didn't expect her to fuck it up. The clothes I put down to lack of money - she's making do with freebies and loans. I didn't expect her to practically collide into walls while doing stuff as simple as a meet and greet. Barging ahead of Harry, then overcompensating later with "Oh, YOU go first" and then wandering the fuck off from where she's supposed to be. One reason she was celebrated was she was a 36 year old veteran of the cameras and supposedly knew how to handle herself. What explains her blunders other than she's not paying attention and doesn't give a fuck - or she never did her homework, ignored what training she got, and doesn't get it?

Story is that Amner Hall was gifted to The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge on their marriage.

It will be interesting to see if Harry & Sparkle are given similar homes when they marry.

I know that the Queen gave Princess Anne Gatcombe Park in 1976. But that was 3 years after her marriage to Mark Phillips.

At 0.38 on this video - Harry and Nutmeg both reach to shake hands at the same tiime with the same person! Hilarious. Amateurs.

One thing about that R517 picture from the Albert Hall Queen's birthday event, lots of the younger women in the Royal Family have long hair.

Kate does (although she wasn't at the event). So do Louisa, Beatrice, Eugenie, the girl behind Eugenie, and at least 1 and maybe both of the young women on the far left of the photo.

Why is it that Sparkle's hair is constantly being handled and dangling around her face. I don't recall so many photos of the other women, particularly the closest family members, who have the same problem.

It's really annoying and does her no favor. Why she would choose such a style for such a high profile event? It is a mystery and the fact that it backfired by making her face invisible behind that dangle might have resulted in a shock to see the lost opportunity for her first chance at a photo with such a large number of the Royal Family at such a public event. And with so many people from the entertainment field there too.

[quote] At 0.38 on this video - Harry and Nutmeg both reach to shake hands at the same tiime with the same person! Hilarious. Amateurs.

She elbowed him out of the way. And then tried to cover it.

The Sparkle is fading -- she's just too messy on her own to even warrant acceptance in the messy British RF.

The pic with her unkempt hair will actually be her best photo of this fiasco she is causing; almost as if she photoshopped herself right out of it. No loss.

The fact of the matter is, America has saved England's bacon AGAIN by sending over a star to revive public interest in the musty old, on-the-way-out monarchy. We did it for the House of Grimaldi, and now we shoulder the burden for the House of Windsor.

#You'reWelcome

Sparkle is no Grace Kelly, r592.

Aha - even with Andrew living on royal property and Anne residing in an estate purchased for her by the Queen, and even with the two of them beneficiaries of their 1/4th of the Queen Mother's guestimated 10M estate, and even with Edward and Sophie likewise living on Royal estates property or whatever it's called, it takes a lot of $$ to run an estate, as well as to fund a daughter who rides at top level in Equestrian Circles. So it turns out that just as Charles funds his kids and their spouses with income from the Duchy of Cornwall, the queen supplements Andrew, Edward and Anne with income from the Duchy of Lancaster.

Markle is no star. She's a joke.

Dangling hair strands are her signature "cool look."

R594 Why shouldn't a rich-as-Croesus family support their off-spring? They have more money and property than they can ever, ever use, anyway.

Nutmeg's next surprise cool L.A. style.

What everyone's bitching about is a classic updo with side pieces.

[italic]That's the best ya got ? ?

What everyone's bitching about is a classic updo with sloppy side pieces that hide half your face, r599.

In profile, the dangle obscures her nose. If only she could manage a center dangle (like The Misfits) for full-face pictures.