RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 3 THREAD THREE

Link to Thread Two

[quote]the real Miss Congeniality of his season was Joslyn Fox

This is true.

Say what you want, but I think Ben is adorable in his Jughead hat.

Is this where were are going to be? That's fine. Just don't want split threads

More from Ben about how he wins by quitting

If Ben is happy in Seattle where he also ruins a theater he may want to avoid Drag Race fame and fortune since it requires almost non-stop international travel.

He can say it wasn't disrespectful but it was to the Queens who didn't make it on. Ben gets her cake and eats it too the paycheck, the bookings, Miss Congeniality and All Stars winner.

Off-topic, but li'l Serena ChaCha got two Toots from Bob and Raven on Fashion Photo Ruview a few months ago. She's improved so much from S5.

Hey Serena, how you doing?

I've never liked BeBe. Ever since she just posed her way to win the first crown ever till now, she just stands there and expects people to bow befor her.

Her tiger/jungle outfits are tired. And I hope she does not win. I'm rooting for Shangela.

I never thought Ben was all that great. The returning 5 should’ve won. Also Aja should’ve been brought back, send Trixie or Kennedy home. I think Ben just didn’t like being read by Morgan, it really shook her up that others could see how calculating she was.

I don't understand Ben's aesthetic at all and his overall look just doesn't do it for me, but I recognize his talent and have no qualms about saying he's one of the best players in drag race history and he is EXTREMELY smart and calculating. He doesn't need to be the #1 most popular drag queen in the world, but how about the #1 queen in seattle, which holds a weird hallmark quality to it that I'm sure charms him. and his lifestyle.

I love Bebe. I still have never seen season 1 but I LOVE this extra bitch.

Shangela is so obviously going to win. She was going to regardless but now I feel like I won't get tomatoes thrown at me for saying it.

Ben did finally do a decent lip sync, which I thought was beyond his abilities.

This gives credence to the thought that he intentionally flubbed the previous lip sync performances? And helps prove how smart and calculating he is?

I won't miss his uptalk and borderline booger drag.

I liked the way Shangela handled Thorgy. She’s clearly got it all worked out.

I really like Ben and think she's very talented and easily the most worthy of the crown—but I am VERY happy not to have to listen to her horrific vocal fry and upspeak anymore. It drove me absolutely batty.

So, I'm assuming next week will be a double elimination given that there are only two episodes left?

Two episodes fit.

We have 5 queens left, one leaves next ep.

Then there is the final four. in which one will be crowned in the final ep. That is how it worked last season.

Helen Keller could see that Ben intentionally threw the lip syncs she lost.

[quote]I am VERY happy not to have to listen to her horrific vocal fry and upspeak anymore.

Alaska's affectations in AS2 were particularly jarring. In Season 5, she spoke like a somewhat normal person in the confessionals. Then on All-Stars, sheeeee haaaaaad toooo draaaawwww ouuutttt evvvvvvery woooooord at all times, even in the confessionals out of drag, since she's now famous for that. Annoying.

[quote]Helen Keller could see that Ben intentionally threw the lip syncs she lost.

Ben is not that strong of a lip syncher though. She lost to Darienne twice in s6, and using last episode as an example (a lip sync she really wanted to win), Bebe was still kicking her ass until she took off her wig.

I totally disagree Ben threw those lip synchs. Lip synchs actually seem to be her weakness even though she’s pretty good at them. She only won this one cause Bebe took her rig off wo a reveal underneath. That has been a huge no no since season 4.

Did Bebe not know that or was she influenced into doing that once the producers saw Ben with the wite out?

R17, but that was an anamoly. It’s alp been done with the first AS season and then with season 9. I think last season they only did it cause otherwise Peppermint would’ve been out and s final four gave the show bragging rights with SJWs and the trans crowd.

Ben is a Virgo, and they just love to martyr themselves to prove they’re superior. Trixie’s makeup never changes and it’s horrible! Shangela will win, but I really like Kennedy because she reminds me of a childhood friend. It’s pretty telling that most reality shows revolve around vendetta and angst but these drag queens are making peace and finding closure.

Tammie Brown for AS4!!

R21, I love Kennedy too. Perfect cranky yet loveable type!

You really thinkShangie has it now? What about Trixie?

Also like the fact that they all fight yet still come together.

I loathe Bebe. She's a no-talent cunt, the kind of "African" one sees talking to himself while working incompetently as a grocery store cashier, keeping his job because of a race quota. Completely one-note, shallow, haughty with no cause, can't dance, can't sing, fat in the middle, egomaniacal piece of shit.

Of course I also dislike Shangela, but at least she's truly competitive. Boring, unintelligent, smarmy and nasty, but she can put on a face.

R21 thinks Ben's makeup never changes. Compare the last episode with the previous one. Ha!

And the psychological work-up based on astrological sun sign shows a demented twat in action.

[quote]because of a race quota

Welcome to the stage, KKKween!

[quote]Of course I also dislike Shangela

Of course.

What do you think of RuPaul's stance on trans queens?

Metro: RuPaul doesn’t think transgender queens should compete on Drag Race after transitioning

Peppermint became the first out trans woman to enter RuPaul’s Drag Race, with many other queens now openly identifying as transgender. But RuPaul isn’t sure about allowing those who have fully transitioned to enter the contest. The 57-year-old has called the topic of trans drag queens ‘an interesting area’, saying that while you can identify as a woman and do drag, he isn’t sure you can do drag with a female body. Speaking to the Guardian, RuPaul said: ‘Peppermint didn’t get breast implants until after she left our show; she was identifying as a woman, but she hadn’t really transitioned.’

When asked whether he would accept a contestant who had transitioned, he said: ‘Probably not. You can identify as a woman and say you’re transitioning, but it changes once you start changing your body... RuPaul added that he believed drag loses its ‘danger’ when it’s not men doing it, saying: ‘At its core it’s a social statement and a big f-you to male-dominated culture. So for men to do it, it’s really punk rock, because it’s a real rejection of masculinity.’

Drag queens are so boring anymore.

I stopped watching drag race years ago but am watching all stars because I have always enjoyed Shangela. I also like Bebe, not because she’s particularly great at anything, but because her body really flows like a woman’s on stage

Newsweek reports on the Ben shocker

Ben is the city of Seattle personified: pathologically averse to anything resembling assertiveness, yet passive-aggressive beyond imagination. All while desperate for acknowledgement of how nice they think they are.

R411 oops wrong thread

R32 what?

I don't see anything wrong with what Ru said r27. Of course some people are flipping out about it. Not that Ru will give two fucks.

Bebe's a plant so no-she won't win.

If she's a plant it's incredibly unethical that she has had the ability to send people home.

Raven was making fun of the "Bebe is mole" people on this weeks episode of Fashion Photo Ruview.

[quote]demented twat in action

Pics please.

R23 I’m really glad they’ve been booting anyone infirm, but think Trixie is borderline. Kennedy’s studio 54 outfit was one of my favorites. The iridescent green lizard skin idea was a lot of fun, and yea her personality and demeanor are really even handed as well. But yea, I’d be alright with shangela winning too.

Shangy for the win.....BITCHES!!!!!

R40 is correct

I really liked the returning squad’s number, even Milk and Thorgy were really good in it. You could tell Miss Milk really wanted to go back in.

Trixie says she had no idea Ben was quitting until it happened, and she honestly felt that Ru didn't even know in advance. Though obviously she doesn't know for sure.

Also part of the reason she was a little weird with Adam Lambert is that she wanted to jump his bones.

RuPaul really stepped in it with her quotes about trans.

R44 She wasn't wrong though

Here’s the apology that you knew was inevitable

Shangela didn't win - she was tossed by the jury in the second-to-last episode because the other queens didn't like her nasty, conniving, selfish and tedious drag. She may have extra ambition but it doesn't make up for the fact that she's rather stupid. Very unlikable and not the kind of queen Ru wanted to crown. Trixie is a pro who can be trusted. Shangela is not. Bebe is too full of moth-balls and her own crap. And Kennedy just doesn't have it.

The story is that Ben just got tired of the production bullshit and the manipulation and editing games, which she thought got in the way not only of the real story of the show but also plain decency. The producers kept trying to stir shit, and Ben's not that kind of queen. She hates the drama and meanness. So she got them back in spades and ruined the season in the process.

A bad arc because of Ben but an interesting view of this kind of show, with some great moments. Few of them connected to the drag performances.

If Trixie wins I will shit and scream for days. She fucking sucks.

Trixie is the winner

I don't think Trixie sucks. She's excellent at what she does and has quite a dedicated following. However, a pro wouldn't hang an assumed confidential letter that happens to insult a fellow contestant on a support column for the viewing pleasure of any eyes -- electric or human. After all, she wouldn't want to tarnish her reputation as a likable presence on Drag Race.

Unless she was stupid.

Love if Trixie wins! Yummy!

Trixie didn’t do jack shit this season. Are you fucking with me?????? Unreal if she wins. 3 white hoes on that wall now?

Yum-ooooooooooooooooooo!

[quote] Ben just got tired of the production bullshit and the manipulation and editing games, which she thought got in the way not only of the real story of the show...

If this is true, it's sadly naive. What did he think reality TV is?

Me, if Shangy doesn’t win and that stupid cunt Trixie does.

I find it weird that there was white out by their names. Has there ever been white out by the names when it was time to choose?

Ben got the white out from Thorgy r56. They have all talked about this in interviews.

And I see people keep posting spoilers here no matter how much other posts ask them not to.

Spoiler was posted in the first AS3 thread. I have to say person so far was spot on.

I imagine it’s the MTF trans who are more likely to do drag, right? Do the FTMs do it, too?

Which one has the greater advantage?

More questions than answers...

Check out the drag king entry on Wiki, R59.

Gia Gunn and Carmen Carrera held a live chat about RuPaul's comments and obligatory apology.

In the first minute, Carmen says to a viewer, 'I agree, she's ruining her own career' before swiveling her tongue left to say something akin to not wanting drama, she's got a gay pride tour this year, no beef, blah blah blah. Talks about working with Meryl Streep. Don't giggle.

Fuck all these trans bitches. Drag race is for gay men who have MALE bodies dressing up as women. Flat chest and a penis. Go make a trans drag show and shut the fuck up already. These mentally ill cunts ruin everything we build. Sick of it. Hope your self inflicted wounds close up for good.

Ru had nothing to apologize for. Here's Tom&Lorenzo's tweet from today:

[quote]I think RuPaul said something that should be criticized, scrutinized and discussed further, but so much of the online commentary taking him to task is ragingly homophobic.

I hope they discuss this in their podcast. These people are waging war on common sense now and of course they're taking on gay men, instead of directing their attention towards the current regime that's systematically taking their rights away. Plus ça change.

When I discovered this board I went and found as many of the running DL threads for each RPDR season as I could, to gauge the sentiment of the board towards the queens as each season went on.

The threads for Season 3 were probably my favorite - you bitches were VICIOUS towards that group of queens, in particular towards Carmen Carrera. One comment still makes me laugh every time I think of it: "Carmen is dumber than a box of hair and isn't nearly as pretty as she thinks". That is still very much true. Without RuPaul she would be turning tricks on the New Jersey turnpike, but she never misses an opportunity to publicly declare how 'transphobic' Ru is. Utter bullshit.

Season 3 was the worst season ever! Totally rigged so Ru's friend could win. And all the winner could do was model clothes. What a talent!

[quote]And all the winner could do was model clothes.

Raja did more than model clothes, she created clothes. Season 3 had the most "design an outfit" challenges of any season and Raja turned it out.

OMG Tom and Lorenzo will restore peace on earth whoever the hell they are

First 10 minutes of the ep.

Featuring Nancy Pelosi

Does Trixie have naturally wide womanly hips?

No, Trixie wears padding and does it well enough so that he looks like he has wide, womanly hips. Pretty cool, eh?

Does anybody knows why they havent cast some famous RPDR alumni for the Amazing Race? I mean it would be hilarious having say Trixie and Katya or Trixia and Bob running around the world.

They did that already, it was called Priscilla Queen of the Desert.

😛

Trixie and Katya need to do Amazing Race when Katya gets out of rehab.

[Quote] Raja did more than model clothes, she created clothes.

Great it's called Project Runway.

[Quote] Season 3 had the most "design an outfit" challenges of any season

Interesting. I wonder why Ru gave the green light for that? Hmmmmm? Oh that's right they're friends.

Trixie and Katya would be better off on Big Brother than Amazing Race. They wouldn’t last one episode on AR, where’s on B.B., they could have time to focus on zingers/entertainment.

Why did Ben quit? Because his JULIE ANDREWS WIG WAS AWFUL!!!!

“Actavia takes no crap!”

Too much!!!

That acting challenge was pretty bad.

That lip sync though. Holy shit Shangela murdered that, I was laughing so hard.

With Ben gone, Shangela deserves to win. Period.

Question Mark?

Yeah, the scripted acting challenges are almost always cringeworthy so to have one as the penultimate challenge in an all stars season is.... a choice, as Tatiana would say.

Shangela MURDERED that lipsync though.

The fat suit did half the work for her though. That's why they were laughing so hard. But she did use it to good effect.

Put this tired horse down and start the new season already.

Had no idea Kamala Harris' first name was pronounced like that. I feel so foolish now.

Kennedy

Chris Colfer is adorable.

This season is just as bad as All Stars 1. They captured lightning in a bottle with season 2. I don't know if it's the group of queens they chose or just the different setup of the competition, but I kind of think every season onward will be boring as shit.

Trixie has moxie. Ben gave her the keys and she will take it away.

There’s no way Shangela doesn’t win. None.

Puh-leeze. I like Trixie, but Shangela is the one who is shining.

Trixie will probably win, but it isn't earned.

r84 It's the group of queens; they needlessly blew their entire wad last season. I will never understand why they brought in so many fan favourites and not spread them out a bit over several seasons.

When do they announce Trixie is the winner?

Trixie apparently is being tweeted by tween girls that they want him to fuck them with a rake. It was a joke from the TV show Halloween episode, but it's taken on a whole world of fan fiction. Apparently, one of these girls read their fantasy directly to him in person too... it's really fucked up. I just read about it now so I don't really understand all the details...

Stuff like that is common r90. "Fuck me with a rake mom". Dumbasses tweet cringeworthy shit. Katya complained about it as well.

I don’t find Shangela funny or very smart. The GOT schtick is so tired

“Fuck me with a rake, Mom” was something said by Katya on an old episode of UNHHhhhh.

Trixie’s makeup is so fuckingly ugly. It makes her eyes look way too close together. She looks like a fucking cyclops. I don’t get it.

Trixie's makeup makes her face look like anime when professionally photographed. But when she's standing on stage in this show, that effect gets lost entirely and she just looks like a mental patient. I see people screaming on Twitter "but it's a throwback to vintage barbies!!1!" As if that explanation makes it any less ugly and painful to look at. I think Trixie is a great drag queen but that makeup is a non-starter for me.

I love Trixie’s makeup . It cracks me up that it bothers people so much.

Trixies makeup used to bug me too but I’ve come to accept that it’s her signature and what makes her instantly recognizable. Kennedy has nothing unique about her look and as a result is not very memorable.

Morgan again flames out

Trixie's makeup looked really good this week (the Red challenge), because she toned it down.

I'm going to LOVE seeing Shangela's smug-ass face when the jury of queens vote her out of the final two. As great a moment as Ben's exit. She'll NEVER get over it. A permanent slap and stain against her. Let her stuff that into the GOT "boo" hallelu bullshit, the craven dumb cunt.

One thing that really surprises me is that Kennedy is a Debbie Downer off stage when in the the acting and dancing parts she has energy for days. I almost don't recognize her on stage.

Morgan takes herself really seriously. It's her downfall. She's not funny, can't sing nor can she dance well. She does dance tricks but that's it.

That “ Handmaidens Tale” subplot really dispearred suddenly after the reveal. I would have thought they’d continue it in some form with each remaining elimination.

It's a shame that Morgan was sent home... Again.

Kennedy does not belong among the top 4. What's her gimmick??

Bitch needs to go. So does Bebe. No talent at all except to stand and look above it all.

I hope Shangela wins.

Morgan never seems to step up. All talk.

Morgan is a scary queen. She is competent as a performer and is a hard worker, but she has a hard edge. She’s humorless and strident and comes off desperate. I think she’s cut you for a dollar (literally). She is also really strange looking, with the huge forehead and gremlin features.

This interesting article about drag kings was published by Vogue this week. A couple of them were profiled as well.

I have to say my concept of drag expanded as I was reading the article and I was probably the most vocal one here about drag being for gay guys only. Orthodoxy of any kind is never healthy and it's shocking to observe yourself engage in it. And the "boys only" thing gave us the patriarchy so I don't know what the hell I was thinking. We should always strive for greater inclusion, even if that means someone else gets to... [italic]gasp![/italic]... play with the same toys as you.

Your Epiphany Seems Terrific, r107.

Oh yay, the finale includes junky choreography by junky Todrick Hall to a junky RuPaul song.

Maybe Shangela can squeeze in a few more references to Game of Thrones before it’s all over.

Have they announced yet that Trixie is the winner?

Would this person with Courtney be considered a female drag queen?

She was born a woman so she isn’t trans.

Other than showing off her God-given vagina, she doesn’t seem to have much of an act.

The Queens are returning and there’s that rumor they get revenge on Shangela, but are any of them actually pissed at her? They haven’t really shown anyone hating her besides Thorgy. The rest seem neutral on her. They’re also being conscious about being “fair”. A lot of them seem like they’d target Kennedy first.

Morgan to me, is more of a teacher/mama then she is a performer.

That was a fun performance. I hated Bebe's finale look, the other three looked great.

Trixie has a lot of friends n the jury

Kennedy is right, she needs this the most. I really like her and her severely mentally retarded sister seems to love her.

This jury thing feels like bullshit to me. I'm sorry, I don't like this stunt.

The top two shouldn't be based on performance, not the whims of others.

should, obviously.

Trixie won by default. Ben quit and Shangela was booted by her peers for being shady

Did NOT expect that

Halle-who???

So the person with the best record gets eliminated. Crap, that should be Shangela's crown and they ALL know it.

This lip sync song is dreadful

I am barely paying attention to this lip sync r121.

Yay!!!!!

Trixie congrats. You won because the front runner dropped out and the new front runner was eliminated in a silly stunt.

So the best lip syncer and dancer among the among the two or three most consistent top performers isn't chosen to be in the top two and the performer with only one look wins? Uh huh.

If RuPaul looks for an heir, Trixie would be a very good choice

What makes you say that r126? Bianca or Alaska would be the obvious choices.

Competitive lip syncing has always been one of the series’ biggest and best jokes. It’s one very gay step above a pose-off. Are there really people who take it seriously?

SHANGELA.....you was robbed. Fuck Ben. Fuck Trixie. And Fuck Fugly For.

Oh, Shangela also had the best and most varied and polished looks. How many Trixie outfits were tight shiny body suit, a blond wig and the clown makeup?

Did Trixie ever not draw the same garish make up on herself?

Roxxxy is not a fan of this episode

[quote]“I’m Roxxxy Andrews and I can’t make this clear”

Another vote for talented and beautiful Shangela, the best queen since Jinx. Beautiful Beebee, who does Diana better than Diana, would also have been okay. No to Tricia and Kennedy.

What does that Roxxxy tweet mean? What can’t she make clear?

Who is Tricia?

Have another cocktail.

Trixie winning the season Rose.

What a fucking joke, Trixxie is an unfunny hag who looks like a pepto abysmal case of diarrhea

Bitter jury gurl

Th two best queens were Bendela and Shangela and neither one was in the final two.

Too many "twists" and "stunts" this season.

Watching it now on d v r. Shangela clear.y the most talented and realistic. Tricia is a cartoon character travesty. Damn auto correct... T r I x I e!!! Big mistake here, just as big as that stupid nasty season 2 winner. S H A n g e l a must return again and win. If I were a tv exec she would have her own series. Multi talented. Funny. Beautiful. Energetic. Go girl!

RuPaul did say that when you go mainstream you sellout, and well, the move to VH1 proves that. Soon they’ll replace her with Tyra Banks anyway and have females competing.

Gay twitter has something to SAY tonight, hunty!

denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

R142 Never acceptance for that talentless sow

R143, you’re in “anger” but I believe that even you will make it to “acceptance”

#allstarssowhite

#AS3Tricia

#PrayForPeaceInTheGayborhood

LUUUUUUUUUUUUV TRIXIE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Kennedy won the lipsync tho, lets be honest.

I like Trixie fine, but there is nothing gratifying that comes out of an unearned win. If she had come in and slayed this season I would be happy for her.

At least we can all agree that Aja sucks

Also if the point of this season for Bebe was to endear her to a new generation of fans....I don't think she succeeded in that goal.

At least more people know who she is I suppose.

[quote]This show has dubbed itself the "Olympics of Drag," but imagine watching the actual Olympics basketball tournament and the judges flippantly announcing "Actually, the gold medal will be decided by a slam dunk competition" or "the eliminated teams will cast their vote for who they felt was the best sportswomen." It just cheapens the experience. We've been asked to invest in the show for an entire season, to care about the results of each episode, to believe that it all actually matters. Now, for two season in a row, we've seen instances we're the rules are rewritten at the last moment and the bona fide and well deserved frontrunner doesn't even get the chance to make it to the final faceoff. This season's twist somehow feels even more gut punching than the last.

[quote]Don't be mistaken, this show may be "prestige" reality, but it's not actually Game of Thrones. No one is watching for the equivalent of the red wedding. A sense of justice and competition has to prevail. Not only are we left to feel that Shangela was robbed, but now it's making us feel certain ways about Trixie that we'd really rather now. No one wants to see someone they actually like in a Hall of Fame if they have an asterisk next to their name.

Kenndy danced better in the lip sync but that was it. if you watched it she looked like the back dancer for Trixie. Kennedy should have been gone a long time ago.

Ru is looking at the big picture with Tricia winning. Tricia will bring in more $$$. That's the truth.

Basically, Shangela screwed herself by winning so many lipsyncs because she had to eliminate so many other queens. If she had only lost everything, like Trixie did, she would’ve won. On All Stars 4, I bet the queens will be trying to lose the “lipsyncs for their legacy”, because you’ll only get screwed in the end by bitter jurors.

^^^Brainy Queen serving schoolroom realness!

R156, your analysis is wrong. Shangela lost because she lacks the uniqueness and intelligence needed to get queens to respect you enough in competition not to vote you out. You're converting the other queens to two-dimensional cartoons to get your argument in, and that's unfair to everyone there. None of them is unprofessional enough to kick a sister in the balls just because they played the rules. Period. Your middle-school rules may be what is active in your life, but it doesn't work that way in this show.

Trixie was the only possible winner because she is the only one to have cut a precise, professional character out that was always present in every episode and competition. Everyone else was okay or better or great, but no one - even Ben - had the full package. And that's true no matter what the dynamics were in each episode's wins.

Think I'm wrong? Well, insult the other pros in the show then. Too bad for Shangela. She wouldn't have hurt the brand. But she would have given it the wrong arc. "I started at nothing and now am a 'do whatever' queen with one look" didn't cut it. Obviously.

R154, It was edited to look that way; to validate giving the win to Trixie. Kennedy is a better performer and probably more deserving than Trixie overall, but she won't bring in the same amount of money. At the end of the day Ben won the season. Would have been nice to see one of the three black finalists win though...

Trixie was mediocre the majority of the season. Apropos the Queen of Cringe swinging her scepter like a golf club.

Shangela should have won. She has Alaska's savvy without the immaturity and Allyssa's charm without the unprofessionalism.

Kennedy, much like Roxxxy Andrews is a drag queen's drag queen. Pageant, professional, looks are always meticulously on point and clearly a very very hard worker, but that doesn't appeal to the 14 year old girls that the show tends to cater to now. She was fairly well known long before drag race was even a thing and I think the other queens have a level of respect for her legacy outside of this show (not just the edit that she needs the win the most).

Pageant queens are boring. If I’m going to look at poses in beautiful dresses, I’ll stick to supermodels

The twist did in Shangela but let’s face it ... RuPaul and other queens love Trixie. I wish her the best

Trixie’s album is currently #1 on iTunes

R164, the tweens have taken over this show. With Ru not being woke enough for them, I feel this is the end of the show in a way.

Remember, Trixie is in full support of trans and cis women competing on this show. Bringing in more $$$, indeed.

One thing I’ve always liked about RPDR is that in the end, RuPaul always says he has a panel of judges, but “in the end, it’s MY decision.” I appreciate that he has always asserted his reign over all the opinions because, face it, only RuPaul is RuPaul. His career and persona were self-created, not created by a focus group or a committee.

The longer I’ve had to process what Ben said, the more I agree with what he said, especially in the context of what I wrote above. The other contestants shouldn’t be burdened with the responsibility of choosing who wins or loses, and they shouldn’t be given the power of who wins or loses. That changes the entire show. The same setup—the jury picking who they think should be the winner—should have been followed by RuPaul saying, “Thank you, ladies, I’ve heard what you have had to say, but in the end the final decision is still mine. Shangela, you is a winner, baby.” That would have been a true shocker, would have re-established Ru’s dominance on the series, would have awarded the more consistent winner, for the sake of optics would have not awarded the one white man among three black men, and Trixie could have still left feeling like a winner. RuPaul has given away his responsibility and with it the strong perspective of the whole series.

I love Kennedy, but her lip sync reminded me of Kenya Michaels' cracked-out twirling against Latrice Royale to "Natural Woman." "Wrecking Ball" isn't really a good showcase number for dancing queens.

[quote]Too bad for Shangela. She wouldn't have hurt the brand. But she would have given it the wrong arc. "I started at nothing and now am a 'do whatever' queen with one look" didn't cut it.

I actually wouldn't have minded that arc—she may not be as polished as Trixie, but she's definitely grown the most as an entertainer. I also thought she looked beautiful for her final runway. Where she falls short is her tendency to be a messy bitch—it makes for good TV, I guess, but it also detracts from her likeability. It's Drag Race, gurl, not Big Brother.

I like Trixie’s personality much more than Shangela’s, and I don’t think Shangela stood out that much this season except as a result of the camera time and focus on her from the beginning...but Trixie didn’t do anything remarkable all season. Ben had so many outstanding, memorable moments. Trixie brushed her wig back with a doll arm, and that seems to have won her the crown. I don’t get it.

I completely agree r167. One of the things I enjoyed about this show was it was Ru's show and had no qualms of reminding everyone. Him saying "well I decided to say fuck the jury, and pick the final two *I* want" would have been the real gag and great for his brand.

#JUSTICEFORSHANGELA. #NOSHANGELANOPEACE.

#WhoNeedsToExpressThemselvesInThoughtful,ClearlyArticulatedSentencesWhenWeHaveHashtags?

You tried, r172. That's what's important.

Passably entertaining finale in a flop of a season. I laughed when the queens of the jury were all dressed miles better than the actual contestants. They looked like a group of comic book villains, so great. Ben looked like he was drowning in a sea of scarlet feathers and it was one of the most epic looks ever. Almost thought Shangela would win and felt an incredible release when she didn't. That is all.

Bring on the new season!

The one with the worst track record of the final four winds up in the top two because she "needed it the most?" That's a dumb reason to choose a top queen. It should be based on how they performed in the competition not who needs a career boost.

I like Kennedy ok, she does have her moments but overall she was the weakest of the top four. I was also pretty underwhelmed by Bebe. Shangela deserved to be in the top two. Trixie took a while to really shine this time around but I think her work outside of this competition was taken into consideration when choosing her, and I can see why Ru would do that.

"For me, this competition is all about transparency." - Aja, as they were deliberating

WHUT? I thought this competition was all about charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent? This show isn't about someone running for office, it's about a drag queen who can entertain the most, Jesus.

Seems like those who suck at drag on this show the most (Aja, Morgan, Thorgy) are the biggest loudmouths. One has to compensate for one's lack of talent somehow, I suppose.

I have to say this season was probably the most lackluster in all of Drag Race history. The only two consistent Queens this season were Ben and Shangela. I like Trixie but her victory seems hallow given her performance throughout the season.

R167 I worried that Drag Race's move to VH1 would affect the quality of the show and it has. Ru appears to have abdicated some of his control in order to collect a bigger paycheck. You could tell he was shocked and not happy when Shangela was not selected as the top two.

Also anyone else notice how pissed off Ben looked during the finale? He seemed like he wanted to be anywhere but there.

I love Trixie and predicted she was going to win way before the season started. She just has it, like Alaska. They've done the most out of drag race. In Trixie's case, she's miles ahead of any other queen on her season. I didn't expect her to struggle as she did at the start of the competition, but if the title is to be inducted into the "Drag Race Hall of Fame" then I can't think of anyone else who would been more deserving out of that cast.

Shangela is a great entertainer, and she deserved the spot on the top two. She has given us some of the funniest moments during the show's run, but in terms of overall package, there seems to be something that's still not there yet.

[quote]I can't think of anyone else who would been more deserving out of that cast

R178 I like Trixie and was hoping she'd win from the start but isn't that sentence of yours kinda silly when you look at the fact that she failed to win a single challenge this season? She's by definition not the most deserving out of that cast.

I almost feel like this season was rigged for Trixie to win. She didn't win a single challenge this season and Kennedy gave a better lip sync.

The worst thing I can say about Shangela is that she must have JUST binge watched Game of Thrones before starting the competition or was obnoxiously vying for a role on that show.

But she knew what the outcome was going to be from this twist in the way the last two finalists were chosen.

"Let's look at the six; three of them, I ended their "Drag Race" journey, two of them are looking me like, "That should be me up there. I was eliminated too early." And one of them, she sent herself to the house only to have to come back so I know she's like, "Bitch, that could be me." Honey, I got zero out of the six.

R177 Ben did not smile once during Shanela's interview panel and even refused to clap for him at the end. throwing his hands up in the air and turning to the side while making a stink face, instead.

I'm glad this season is over. It's frustrating to me to have people deciding on winners based on hurt feelings and egos. Like celebrity Big Brother this year. Ross Matthews and Shangela have a lot to talk about now.

I don't understand Aja now saying she'd change her vote to Shangela after having watched the whole show. Umm, have you *seen* Shangela being literally the only one who kept going on and on about strategy and alliances and playing the game?!

I keep piling on Aja because she's just the worst.

R177 & R181 It wasn't just with Shangela, Ben just seemed pissed the whole time. I know Ben has a complicated history with Drag Race as he felt that producers were trying to create drama and rigging outcomes to serve the best interest of story lines. I have a feeling he just didn't want to be there after he eliminated himself.

Well Ben did quit over not wanting to vote and yet is brought back almost instantly to vote again.

With that said, Ben ruined this season. First by quitting and second by not standing up for Shangela, who was the winner based on Ben’s own way of voting. Ben did tonight what Morgan’s had called her out for. I still think Ben wants the best this season but I do think she’s phony as fuck.

I really feel like the ending of the show was rigged in such a way that the obvious front funner wouldn't win. Or maybe Shangela is a really bitch behind the scenes but the show was edited in such a way to make her look better?

I’m surprised more people aren’t realizing and blaming the bitter queens on the panel rather than anyone else. In a country that elected Trump no less, are people surprised that a bunch of catty bitchy queens picked lesser deserving queens to be in the final, so they could feel better about their own victimhood? Nope.

I can remember when Drag Race was about awarding talent and not about shocking twists and turns.

You're that old r188?

Trixie is incredibly talented and one of the queens making big moves outside the show, so she deserves it.

Awarding talent like Tyra and Raja?

This show is a goof. RuPaul and the other producers are laughing at you.

Do people in the real world know that you treat the content of this TV show with seriousness? As if anything on it actually matters or means anything other than mindless entertainment?

R191 No shit. You shouldn't take it super seriously. It's entertaining and the winner gets a boost in their career, but it's about men dressing as women. Take it as you want. You're starting a stupid argument.

I didn't think much of Trixie's lip synch, shaking on the floor like she was having a diabetic fit. Her interview was terrible as well. Kennedy might be a bit low key and tuned out in the make up room but she really delivers on stage. None of those queens could touch her in the production number. And Trixie has a FAT ass.

Trixie is my absolute favorite. From Wisconsin, I watch every episode of Unnhhh, I get her sense of humor. But she shouldn't have won and I don't think she'll like the backlash that's already started. I don't like it either.

Have you heard Trixie's country music? Kind of random.

I think she's very funny on UNHHHH but beyond that, not really as well rounded as some of the other queens. Ben's Maggie Smith / Dowager Countess snatch game was one of the best...she is funny and also delivers better looks than Trixie does. I thought he was a top queen since way back then. The stupid self-elimination screwed up the show. Shangela probably deserves "most improved queen" - especially vs. Bebe who hasn't changed at all. Though, does that make someone an all star? I don't know... also I think Shangela is able to show more facets than Trixie as a drag queen. She does a better job at giving looks through many eras of drag vs. Kennedy who is a little more "classic queen".

I think this season was just badly cast and maybe a mistake altogether.

I said after AS2 when Rolaskatox kept saving each other over and over (including Detox screwing herself out of possibly winning the crown by not eliminating Alaska when she had the chance) that they should have dropped the 'queens eliminating each other' gimmick. Now look what happened.

Ah well. Onto Season 10 next week.

Trixie is a deserving winner and all the hate is sooo petty!!!

WHERE IS JOSLYN FOX?

[quote]Trixie is a deserving winner

But she's not.

R199, yeah she is! Have you not noticed she made a mediocre white man? That automatically makes her more deserving than black excellence.

JUSTICE FOR JOSLYN!

R199 But she is!

Except the two examples of "black excellence" this time around were Kennedy, whose drag is competent and consistent but uninspiring, and Shangela, who's just an actor playing a woman and throwing a bag of tricks when it's time for a lipsync.

Let's not go down the Tyra route again, please. Even if that means we have to have a white winner yet again.

Well Rupaul's All Stars 3 made me thoroughly dislike Bebe, Thorgy, Milk and undeserved winner Trixie - queens I used to enjoy. Thanks a lot people. Shangela was robbed and she's not even my fave queen by a long shot. Shitty season.

I truly hope S H A n G E L A surpasses Ru in the drag world. She is one of the few I would want to have as a friend. One of the top 5 in 9 seasons. Very versatile, talented, beautiful. Love you girl.

It’s just a silly game show. There is no true winner so it may as well be Trixie since she will bring more money to the brand. Stop your Millennial complaining

^ I ain't a millennial so I can complain

And a winner shouldn't be based on bringing in money, but on performance on the show. But it's clear that's not how it works these days.

....

[quote]it may as well be Trixie since she will bring more money to the brand

From who? The parents of teenaged girls?

The optics of three white people—and only three white people—in the Hall of Fame is _______.

I love Trixie, but just watching how the season played out Shangela and Ben were the two best competitors. I wonder if the queen's knew about the jury before hand because that better explains Ben's motivation to remove himself.

Shangie lost because the other girls did not like her. What you saw on the show doesn’t matter. She lost - get over it

Tricia is an absolute delight!

Tricia Mattel will surely become the next DL icon.

Absolutely, r214.

Do you think that Tricia will bring in a lot of money for Datalounge as well as the Drag Race brand?

The suburban frauen and their offspring have been ruining drag race for generations now. My favorite is that video of some 60 year old suburban lady crying with delight that Trixie won.

Shangela is a true All Star and should have been on that wall since AS1. Oh well. At least now she can soak in the drama of everyone defending her amazingness.

Yes R217 ruined for literally generations!

Please post said video, R217. That is DL catnip right there. She probably posts in this thread.

The video.

She's a perfect mix of Diane Keaton and Shelley Duvall!

Trixie is more likable and funny - Shangie is a dim pageant queen

[quote]She's a perfect mix of Diane Keaton and Shelley Duvall!

Nothing perfect about that unholy combination.

This would've been an amazing season if it weren't for the motherfucking spoilers.

#TriciaFrauenkilledDragRace

Do we know which final two the eliminated queens picked? I see Thorgy picked Tricia and Shang.

I missed the episode. Why was Morgan the one that got to pick the final two with her lipsticks?

Morgan gave the consensus.

Having read some of Shangila's and the other queen's tweets, I sense that there definitely tension between Shang and the other queens while filming the show.

Lipstick picks

link please, r229. thanks.

So the Bebe Is A Mole rumor wasn’t true after all. So not all spoiler rumors are true.

Funny that the Mole rumor made Bebe look good and above the fray, just where she thinks she deserves to be. But no, Bebe is just a regular old queen who lost Drag Race.

I assume that she’ll fade back into obscurity.

Christ.... That was practically unanimous!

Would never have predicted that Kennedy would be so many of their first choices.

Kennedy got most of the votes. Okay then. Thanks, r230.

RuPaul pretty much invented the type of drag that is popular today thanks to her career longevity and success and of course thanks to Drag Race.

Shangela is just one of many followers of RuPaul. A fine imitation but nothing original. Unless she totally changes her act and reveals some hidden talent or skill, I don’t see Shangela ever eclipsing RuPaul. She’ll always be a “Ru Girl.”

Kennedy and Shangela deserved to be in the Top 2 because they each are responsible for the two greatest monologue's in Drag Race history—Shangela's "sugar daddy" speech and Kennedy's "crystallized" soliloquy.

Trixie has not come anywhere close to either of those moments of genius.

Damn you, errant apostrophe!

Kennedy: Fuck my drag, right?

RuPaul: Right!

R236 no one knows the speech and soliloquy you are referring to. Link?

Shangela's "sugar daddy" speech.

And Kennedy in her iconic crystallized chicken look.

My German friend was pissed and I felt sucker-punched until I reminded him of this Reddit post in 2015:

[quote]Production did things to get a rise out of fans. They WANT you to be pissed off. They WANT you to feel something by watching the show and they succeeded. Everyone is talking about the elimination. Buzz is good, even if it’s bad. WoW had to play a nasty hand and they won out while pissing people off and scoring a major spike on social media. I keep saying it: RPDR is a giant story that unfolds one episode at a time and at the end you’re like ‘aha! I get it now!’ Fame was right: it’ll all make sense later.”

New DL Fave Tricia. SMH LOL I'll never watch this episode again.

One of our local drag queens gets insanely incensed when anyone dares to discuss Drag Race on social media and scolds them that it is not real and says you might as well be watching a soap opera., as if we don’t know it’s just entertainment. She just has sour grapes because she’d never make it on the show with her limited talent, despite being the headliner at our city’s now closed drag bar.

One of the sadder things ever written on the DL r243.

Who is it, r243?

I have to say - this one looked thrown together. Are they not even doing a ru-union like AS2? Shangela should have won and I love tracie martle but Sangela killed it including her last look.

Trixie is the bigger more popular star. Shangela should be proud she came in fourth since her act is pageant

"Tracie Martle".... Love it.

Shangela is just a 'pageant girl'? Puhlease.

Shady Shangie will have more time now to watch Game of Thrones reruns. Tired, dull queen

Shangela has always been my fav because of how quick witted she is.

Though she’s been on a few times, she’s never won, I believe

r249 yes the GOT references got really old. Apparently, the show was rushed. It tapped when Trixie was taping the new season of Trixe and Katya - and at the same time Kayta took her "break" and they had to get Bob to fill in..so I can see why her first half was bad.

Shady, awesome Shangie.

Shang has veneers, no?

I hope Tricia is still performing in 7 years when her core fan base is legally allowed to be in a drinking establishment.

Maybe Shangela should stick to posing and leave the jokes to Trixie. Here she is flopping on network TV.

Keep in mind that Shangela’s “hilarious reads” were prepared in advance of the appearance

Shangela's neither witty nor quick. I think it was KimChi who said she just talks, talks, talks [italic]constantly,[/italic] which she experienced firsthand while on tour with her. It's really not that difficult to find a semi-entertaining gem or two in that verbal diarrhoea of hers. I just feel sorry for the poor editor who had to wade through all the bullshit to find said quips. Which weren't all that, to begin with.

r254 It'll be interesting to see Trixie's career progression. I think this is the first time a mainstream drag queen was popularized by the teenage/tween market so I wonder how they'll "grow" with her. (More than likely they'll age out of being intrigued by her)

Should have gone to Kennedy over Trixie based on the season performances. Cyrus was a god-damned awful choice for final lyp AND they both looked like shit but Kennedy doing her Martha Graham was quite horrible, poor thing. She was great in the episode production number.

Shangela: “RuPaul looked at me with pride as I lost the competition”

Huh??? Whatever let’s you sleep at night, I guess

Are you crazy? Trixie is popular with young and old because she is funny, genuine and can sing.

Trixie has Drag Race and drag appearances as well as a hit spin off show and hit music.

Has anyone mentioned that her PB&J sandwich video was nominated for a prestigious Beard Award?

I think she’ll be around for a while. And she won’t be chopping her dick off!

I’ve only seen Trixie on Drag Race, nowhere else. He seems like a nice guy but has been thoroughly unimpressive.

R251, All Stars 3 was taped before any of that happened. The queens are sequestered, so, it’s not as if Trixie was going out at night to do her other jobs. They’re locked in their hotel rooms between tapings.

Don't lose sight of the what happened. Shangela wasn't put in the top two. That's the travesty. I would still be disappointed that Rupaul chose Trixie over Shangela, but that's her prerogative. What PISSES me off is the pettiness of the returning queens. I don't care if she was a cunt during filming, she deserved being in the top two by winning more times and always winning the Legacy lipsync.

The irony is after so many queens have shouted "This AIN'T Rupaul's best friend race" - this season it WAS Rupaul's best friend race.

And I like Trixie, and through not fault of her own her "star" has been diminished by the events caused by the returning queens.

And Ben comes off really bad, since he broke his own elimination rules and now DOES look like a hypocrite even though I disagreed with Morgan's attack on him before.

I hated this season, but it will be LEGENDARY (not legs and dairy)

I would not worry about Trixie- she seems level headed and was the fan favorite. She also may end up the biggest star out of the show’s history to date.

Why does everyone act like Trixie is a household name? So bizarre.

R266 Ain't worried about her, but this particular victory will forever be pyrrich.

To never be forgotten thanks to modern technology.

But Trixie don't care cause tweens want her to fuck them with a rake.

pyrrhic

bad speller i am

Trixie Mattel has a music and comedy career

The others ... don’t

And Kim K has a big ass.

Ain't into big asses

What I'm dying to know is IF Shangela had been in the top two - who would Ru have chosen?

Trixie ain't much of a lipsync -er and Shangela would have turned it out. Would Rupaul still have chosen Trixie? Kennedy did a better job than Trixie in the sing off but still lost (cuz I mean - c'mon - Kenned winner of All Stars? Not today, Satan). Would it have even a bigger scandal if Rupaul was forced to choose between S and T? Did Ru dodge a bullet?

All I know is I wouldn't be as pissed if Shangela had been in top two and still lost.

The Pyrrhic Victory Queen! No way! Please tell me that you’re not joking!

I certainly hope that you’re going to write a sternly worded letter to the head of VH1.

I don’t care that much who wins, but this season was just a mess and RuPaul giving up or appearing to give up his power to the contestants screws with the mood of the show. I don’t like it. I watch for entertainment and to see creative people at work, not for faux plot twists and drama.

Maybe Tricia can use some of her winnings for orthodonture and getting her ears pinned back.

"She also may end up the biggest star out of the show’s history to date."

You're funny. Call me when she has anything resembling Bianca's current tour schedule. Domestic and international.

Seeing Shangela's face drop when she found out she wasn't in the top 2 was priceless.

R276 Bianca's humor is stale and repetitive. I've seen several videos and she uses the same jokes over and over and over. Nothing new!

She's still selling out shows, bitch. Making that money. Too bad.

A lot of comics repeat the same material over and over.

Shangela was truly robbed. She's a true drag queen who can grab a mic and entertain off the cuff. Traxy can sing, sure, but ain't got that IT factor. And that little show she dabbles in with Katya--pee yew!

Misspelling and misnaming Trixie doesn’t get funnier each time you do it, kids.

Cuntradamus at R268 thinks that mistaking the meaning of pyrrich (sic) and adding to her illiteracy by dibbling an "i" in her correction somehow proves something. Trixie won. The World History of Technology Forever Memory Proclamation Eternity Shazzam will show that she won and had a wonderful career, with her album hitting #1 today to start the next successful phase.

But worse is R268, The Pyrric Victory Troll, straw-manning it all by declaring that tweens' supposed support shows Trixie doesn't care. The PVT in action. So wise. Never mind that her fans come from all sorts of groups and people. Such as me. I didn't have a favorite going in but came to see Trixie's intelligence, wit, clean and clever looks (brilliant!), vision, adaptability and professionalism as the one that best entertained me and fit the RPDR need.

Shangela was lovely, learned a lot, but relied on overly studied catchphrases and gimmicks. She's gorgeous and dances great. But she's derivative. Period. There's absolutely nothing original there. Nothing. Wonderfully entertaining but a closer look shows she's more like one of those people you see in a Star Impersonation Revue. A patchwork. The other queens didn't vote her in the top two because of reasons other than envy or her sending people home. She got only one vote, after all.

And R281, who doesn't get it, doesn't get it. So? You can't talk to the foot stomper. You just wait until their Little Miss Teapot routine wears them out and they collapse crying themselves into nappy time. Not getting your way doesn't prove that anything was stolen. It just shows who you are by what you say about it.

Good for Trixie!

None of the queens are that great and that includes Bianca, who even though quick witted and snarky in person melts away in performance. A string of 'reads' of other queens and borscht belt jokes about small-dicked Asians and room-servicing Latinos makes for a lack-lustre evening however much it might please the stans. The prominent queens are making money currently and the best of luck to them but they shine better on the show than in the real world.

Shangela said today that she’s bummed Trixie is getting threats, impressed that Thorgy bites for her and hurt no one else did. She insisted that the eliminated queens should get no hate messages.

Then she said the shadiest girl was one who was bullied online early on, started an anti bullying campaign and dropped that once she was off the show. I think she was talking about Milk. Milk also went off on fans who think Shangela was robbed dissing them and all.

You don't get it r283, look at Trixie's snatch game and tell me that was season winning material. There was no moment in AS3 where Trixie truly outshone the other queens. Her lipsynchs were stiff, her comedy was cringe, her look was make up on a dead horse. The only edge she has over the other queens is that her humour appeals to autistic teenagers.

Shangela is awesome and fun but r283 fucking NAILED IT on Shang . That is the truth!

[Quote] Misspelling and misnaming Trixie doesn’t get funnier each time you do it, kids.

Actually it does, hon.

So why did Shang only get one vote? You can't blame or lump in Thorgy because she got her vote? Why didn't the girls see her as top two? I'd love to know the real story.

Actually, they said they were taping Trixie and Katya at the same time - they tape in the same studio as RPDR at WOW. Bebe was also not supposed to be in it, it was supposed to be Onjina but they snubbed her in AS1 so she turned down AS3 when they came calling. They wanted a S1 queen with name recognition and Nina and Shannel had already done AS.

Trixie is not but my favorite but I feel badly for her because this will never be seen as a true victory. She will forever be the AllStar who won because Ben self evicted or because the bitter eliminated queens held a grudge against Shangela. It's not Trixie's fault she won but it's a hollow win due to the fucked up production.

R291 is 100% correct. I like Miss Tricia, but let's be real, she only won due to those two circumstances coming together in her favor. No way in hell would Kennedy have been considered a remotely legitimate choice for an All Stars winner, so the final lip sync was practically moot.

I can't wait until they find kiddie porn on Trixie's computer and they have to scrub her from the show.

R293 What the fuck are you talking about?

Trixie is as basic as the tumblr twinks that rooted for her.

fuck my drag, right?

R290 You got it all wrong. They do not film in the same studio. Ongina had to drop out last minute due to an injury and she has been wearing the looks she would have worn on the show for her gigs.

The bitter queens were Morgan, Milk and Aja.

Throgy just lays it out. It's just her delivery that sucks but she admits that.

The only thing Tracie* truly deserves is an asterisk for her default win. #NOTMYQUEEN

Fuck all you haters. Trixie is awesome.

R282 Tricia is the N E W DL favorite and obsession. Long may she reign.

ratings are down. show is a mess....

Wow, you guys take this really seriously, huh?

Even RuPaul, whose entire career depends on drag, says “it’s only drag. It’s not that serious.”

Drag may not be that serious, but ratings sure are. I'm waiting to see what the new season looks like because if it sucks again like All Stars and the last season, we're seeing an unfortunate trend.

Watched Trixie's viewing party at Roscoe's last night and changed my mind about her. She's just great; thoughtful and witty and self-aware. Kennedy's appearance a couple of weeks ago was similarly eye-opening (in a good way) so they were both deserving finalists. Shangela was the only one who bailed on the invitation because of course.

sorry - but shangela deserved on the win solely on her lip sync in the fat suit. That was brilliant and should have secured her the win. Trixie is good - but didn't deserve the win. The final two SHOULD have been Ben and Shangela - now THAT would have been a finale!

Ben should have won. easily. No one was on her level, not even Shangela. Even when she faced off against Shangela she was better by being campy to her dancing ability. It was fun and different.

Ben definitely won the season, and maybe the whole series. And I mean his talent, not his stunt/integrity.

Miss R299 has STATED HER BOUNDARIES!

The whole thing at r242 seems a bit over the top. Do they really need to do all that crap? Why would they want to be talked about negatively just "to be talked about" ? They will get plenty of positive praise without these games that the writer alleges are being played. Of course reality shows have a lot of editing and some scripting, but the extent of it in r242 just seems excessive & odd.

Remember, this started as a cheap little drag show with a niche audience on Logo for the first several years. It grew just fine without all these weird games (other than Tyra's win always seemed a bit odd, but Ru may have seen some kind of kinship with her younger self). Many seasons have had the fans tweet their favorites in to win, and yes Ru still decides, but it has usually been somewhat in-line. The All Stars seasons are always a bit odd. Chad Michaels winning was basically saying "sorry we fucked up and didn't let you win in the regular season."

Trixie sucked-didn't win a single contest and her final lip sync was lackluster at best. It was cringeworthy to see the judges fall all over themselves praising her at the end when she should have been booted gar earlier and didn't improve one bit.

#AllStarsSoWhite

[quote]Chad Michaels winning was basically saying "sorry we fucked up and didn't let you win in the regular season."

They did not fuck up. Sharon was the clear winner of Season 4.

I felt bad for Kennedy who said that all the other tables are full of people wanting pictures with Trixie and Shangela and then they rush over at the end wanting pictures with her 5 minutes before it all ends. Obviously she did not have a good experience at DragCon. I do have to say - that rainbow dress? I mean Trixie was right they read her for the last rainbow dress as being tired and cliche and she wears another one?

R308 R311 - I recently watched a YouTube video exploring that very same theory. Yeah, most fan theories are simply hot air but there were some good points to consider in this one.

But Sharon had set the bar so high right from the start of S4 that everyone else was pretty much playing catch up for the rest of the season.

[quote]Sharon was the clear winner of Season 4.

Yep. Chad is a great queen, but Sharon beat him fair and square.

[Quote] Obviously she did not have a good experience at DragCon.

I went to the first DragCon and Kennedy is correct but the looooooong { I mean hours long } were for a few like Trixie , Katya, Pearl, Adore and Ru. I'm not sure if Kennedy realized how ridiculous those lines were. She just saw a ton of people. I felt bad for the vendors near those lines. No one was selling shit. The area was just filled will people wanting selfies.

I was referring to the hundreds of people with the same opinions / theories - r311.... I didn't know the video in r313 existed but that's what the issue was.

I can't even remember that season that well or why Sharon was that superior to Chad. They had very different styles to say the least. Of course you have the nothing-is-subjective / only-I-am-correct view of a proper DL-er style of commenting, so no need to respond further.

But my catchphrase! And my "I did all this myself!!" storyline! And I had a line of corn-related accessories dropping, contingent on my victory!

"with her album hitting #1 today to start the next successful phase."

On what chart did Trixie hit #1...? I just looked online and could not verify this claim.

Logo is running a marathon of every season leading up to the Season 10 premiere. They're up to the Rocker Chicks episode of Season 2.

Trix said his new album was number one on iTunes a couple of days ago. The album is showing up as a new release, but I just scrolled through the top 200 country albums and his is not listed (for ancient Taylor Swift albums are in the top 50).

THEN I scrolled through the genres and checked singer/songwriter...his album is number one. Here’s a screen capture.

The whole season was just weird. I think what made AS2 such a success was a lot of season 5 girls. Rolaskatox, Alyssa, Doritoface, This season was odd. It seemed pieced together. They should have done the same thing and put together a group of girls from a season and throw in a few odd season girls.

It’s clear that plenty of you cunts need an Absolut cocktail or seven to take the edge off.

If the show was going to morph into a stupid version of Survivor the girls should have known from the start I have never been able to get through a single episode of the Tracey and Katya show, it is unfunny dribble Tracey also has a bung eye, why has nobody on DL mentioned that cock up, the bung eye unfunny cock

r321 AS2 was lightning in a bottle. I was talking about this with a friend earlier that the season worked so well because, yes, the season 5 cliques but also season 5 was truly talented. The top 6 of that season all could pull off comedy, acting, lip syncing, and fashion. So to have them together again as they've finessed their drag was brilliant. This season, yeah, was pure shit.

Shangela would have been the great arc of drag race. From first eliminated to season two, to winning All Stars. A great story of grit, determination and self-improvement. Pity they didn't realize that.

Also she had stunts on stunts planned for that lip sync, could have actually delivered a great finale that Trixie and Kennedy did not.

[quote]OK, listen. I'm so glad you asked that. No one has asked me that yet. I was ready. Do you hear me? Here's the deal. This was the finale. And "Wrecking Ball" is not necessarily a big, high kicks and flips kind of song. But you can make a moment, and that's what I wanted to do every time I was on that runway. And I think I did: the Beyoncé baby bump floral, I came down the runway in a plastic ball, I had a costume that inflated like Lady Gaga.

[quote]I had that gold coat on. But under that, I had stapled these blown-up, white balloons that I had filled with confetti and glitter, right? They were on my titties and in my nether region, OK? I had a dart in my hand. During the song -- "I came in like a wrecking ..." -- I was gonna bust the balloons, and all the glitter and confetti would fly out. Then I had a piñata taped to the back of my coat, filled with candy, with a sledgehammer up my sleeve. And I was gonna beat it on the line, "I never meant to start a war." I was ready, bitch! That's what hurt me more than anything. F*** the money. I wanted to do my lip sync. It was going to be memorable, unforgettable, so watching that lip sync from the back, I was just like, "Oh, girl. Send me to the house."

Im just a casual watcher and dont really know anything about these performers outside of the show. Usually even if I dont agree I can understand why a decision is made or why one drag queen wins over another. But I cannot for the life of me understand what the appeal of Trixie is. There is no star quality at all, he/she is not particularly funny or even interesting to listen to, and is completely forgettable. Ben or Shangela would have been valid winners but I just can't understand from any objective perspective what the appeal of Trixie Mattel is.

Trixie and Katya's show "Uhhh" became a huge viral smash r326. Personally it doesn't do it much for me, but people love it. Trixie and Katya became huge fan favorites with their "quirky" humor and online presence.

I agree about Trixie, having only seen him on RPDR. Charisma? Nyet. Uniqueness? OK. Nerve? Not really based on what I’ve seen. Talent? He seems talented, but I don’t see how talent for country/folk music integrates with campy drag. It’s a major disconnect for me.

Katya returns from her hiatus

[quote]The Bitch is Back.

I hope she is actually in a good head space now.

Just watched Michelle interview Shangela and Michelle all but said Shangie should have been in the top two.

Ha ha, all the crying here is embarrassing. It’s a game show, not a talent show. Blame Ben and the jury if you did like outcome. Whiny bitches

R325 that lip sync would have been EPIC. Shame she didn’t get the chance to perform it.

[quote]It’s a game show, not a talent show

Well as was famously said "this ain't RuPaul's best friends race!", except now it is. Literally this season was set up to be RuPaul's best friends race. How do you in the challenges doesn't matter, how much people like you does.

How the show has changed from when RuPaul was happy to crown Tyra. Didn't matter that she was a bitch, she slayed and at the time that was all that mattered.

Trixie has a "hit TV show?" Since when? It's a show on VICELAND, and pretty terrible at that. Especially with the equally unfunny Bob the Drag Queen filling in on it.

People waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overestimate Trixie's successes.

Stunts during lip sync are unnecessary IMO. Just give me a spectacular LS like Dida Ritz did.

Is there some purity to the drag queens lip syncing to a song?

Give me an entertaining performance. Shangela's fat suit lipsync was one of the most entertaining parts of the season. When I go to a drag show, I just want to have fun, nothing more complicated than that.

[Quote] Shangela's fat suit lipsync was one of the most entertaining parts of the season.

Yes it was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it but the outfit itself was messy. It was very Shang. There's usually something out of place with her looks.

They need to overhaul the judging and get professionals in there. The judging needs to be a transparent system of technical points on a range of lip sync criteria. Half a point off if a song lyric isn’t clearly enunciated, half a point earned if the queen’s facial expression matches the emotion of the song, etc.

Make it scientific! Take all the fun out of it! That’s what the audience demands!

After a two-year delay, Season 2 of the official Chilean version, [italic]The Switch Drag Race: El Arte del Transformismo,[/italic] featuring Kandy Ho and Gia Gunn, premieres next Sunday.

Trixie has had the number #1 album on iTunes. She is the next Dolly Parton

These queens are friends, so why can’t fans see that? Is the pointless anger due to Facebook and Twitter?

Thanks r325.

I was wondering what that gold tinsel was hiding.

Wikipedia says Milk is only 6’ tall - I would’ve thought more like 6’6”. Those other queens must be tiny.

Are you looking for for his real name r342? because I think you got the wrong one. This isn't him.

Thanks R343. I was on several pages and just quickly scrolled down. So how tall is he?

The show says 6'6", other places say 6'4". People says in six inch heels he's almost 7'.So, he's tall :)

Ru tall.

its been on so long, time for the end...

ev season is the same now....and lame ones win.

Dida Ritz had the best LSFYL

Speaking of tall, skip to 17:20 for a quick glimpse of Georges, RuPaul’s husband.

I am over RuPaul and his lying fuckery but I do love what he says to Xtina in this season 10 promo clip!!

I am late to this party, but just wanted to say ..........

Trixie ?? Ugh ....... I would've just preferred to see Trixie have a really solid season (like Katya did on AS2) and do well overall .............

But this win belonged to Shangela ............. who as someone said on another thread handed this win to Trixie by not kicking her to the curb while she had the chance.

HATED the ousted queens picking the final two (Kennedy ............really ?? That was just an FY to Shangela) ........ hated 'Miss Congeniality' Bendelacreme (what a stupid way to play. No All Star there), hated Bebe (who ??)

R352, I believe the ousted queens did vote, but Ru always gets the final say. And at least she has the cajones to say good bye!

I think Ru was in on it but I also think he knew Shangela deserved it. I think he did it because he was pressured by his company. Obvs they would prefer Trixie to win. He went along with it because he’s sold out and at this point just wants the treats that come along with being mainstream.