13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Good title, OP!

We've been PUNK'D by Putin... That's how it has felt since Nov 2016.

I really liked Treason of Insanity, but if this really is the 13th thread, you chose the right title.

R4 Reserve that one for the endgame madness... like when Trump Jr is indicted.

I voted for the Oprah-inspired title!

Maybe for when the bigger fish get indicted!

I'm Jill Stein and I approve of this thread title.

R4 that was the title I was about to go with ( I was literally about to publish it) until someone suggested 13 Treasons Why. As Part 13, I thought it appropriate.

Hope you all don't mind.

R7 It's DR. Jill Stein!!!!

DR. Jill Stein Comes Unglued... LOL

So when can we get indictments on Stein and Sanders for collusion?

I donated to Stein's recount effort and frankly, I’m a little ashamed. I have no idea if she’s a witting or unwitting Russian stooge, but her candidacy clearly helped tip things Donnie's way.

Now if only the Deplorables would likewise come to regret their choices.

I vote for "Lovin' Touchin' Treason'" for the next thread title. Just throwing it out there. SO many great titles already. You all amuse the hell out of me with your cleverness.

I don't think Bernie had anything to do with the collusion. He was too busy trying to avoid being screwed out of his nomination by Hillary and the DNC officials. I really hope he runs again.

R14: Hi Boris!

R14 He had no chance at nomination because he was a sham Democrat. The DNC got conned into thinking he would play the role of graceful loser, but he turned out to be a Russian sponsored traitor.

Americans are so easily duped.

[quote]Bernie... He was too busy accepting illegal campaign contributions from dubious sources (Hello, Mother Russia), illegally spending campaign funds, breaking in to HRC's DB, and repeating GOP and Russian talking points about HRC.

Fixed that for you.

Great thread title, gang! Well done.

Haven't seen them mentioned , so I'm tossing them out for future reference. ..

Beyond a Treasonable Doubt Donald Trump: The Edge of Treason Treasons of the Heart A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die The Killing Treason No Rhyme or Treason A Treasonable Man Open Treason Off Treason Out of Treason Rainy Treason

. . .Ok I'm done now. Carry on with the discussion.

Sooooo, Sanders was on Press the Meat this morning, where Chuck Todd feebly attempted to grill him on Russian ties. He claimed he had no knowledge of Russian connections to his campaign, and that we have to keep Russia from interfering in the 2018 election.

He sounded sincere, or if he's lying he's a much better liar than anybody in Cheetolini's administration.

Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason?

For if it prosper none dare call it treason.

I seriously have never heard that B. Sanders was linked in any way to the Russian scandal. Can someone link me to a legit news source on this.

We repeat: his campaign manager was Manafort's business partner.

Here’s one news source, R23. I think Bernie acknowledged in his interview today that this kind of thing happened.

Bernie is unaware of any Russian connections in his campaign?

Really?

Who was his Chief Campaign Strategist again? And who was that person's business partner?

R24 It's been repeated so many times... Either you see Bernie's shadiness or you don't. The Bernie Bros are just as willfully delusional as the Trumpies.

[quote]Sooooo, Sanders was on Press the Meat this morning

Beef, Chicken, or Pork?

Trump: No Collusion! Jill: Who me? Bernie: Look over there!

Bernie's campaign was mentioned in the indictment.

Donnie, Bernie and Jill are the 3 Stooges for Putin.

^ the three stooges.

Hope Tom Perez kicks him to the curb, finally. I'm tired of hearing him rail at Democrats.

R20, how about “The Treasonist”?

R33 Bernie should have never been let in. How can he represent the Dem Party when he had shown no loyalty to the Party at all? Hoping they could unify the Left, the Dems let a Trojan Horse into their camp instead.

Worth reading.

R35 they had to let him in. They only other scenario would have been to keep him out and he would have done even more damage by running in the general election and siphoning votes away from Hillary.

[quote]They only other scenario would have been to keep him out and he would have done even more damage by running in the general election and siphoning votes away from Hillary.

Not sure I agree with that. He wouldn't have gotten even half the attention he got by being allowed to be in the primaries. He would have gone the way of Jill Stein. I mean, DR. Jill Stein.

Not necessarily R37. If Bernie hadn't had access to the DNC infrastructure, he may not have gotten as far. Hell, the Dem primary debates gave him his biggest boost.

If Bernie were not allowed in to Dem Primary, the only way he could have mounted a run without any party affiliation is to accept way more Russian-tainted money!!! LOL Putin would gladly bankroll his campaign.

The Russians were determined to use Bernie. The fact that he as within the Democratic Party tent actually inhibited them from doing more. If he had run as a third Party candidate, the Russians would not have given as much attention to Jill Stein. and yes he would have gotten more $$$$.

R41 But Bernie being a divisive element in the Dem Party from start to finish proved to be way more bang for the buck... I mean ruble.

Completely disagree. The most damage Bernie could do to her was by being able to be in the primaries. It gave him a platform where we had to watch her debate him over and over. If the Dems would have closed it off and only allow actual Democrats to run (which is what they should be doing), he would have never gotten the movement he got.

[quote]Americans are so easily duped.

hahahahahaha........all the way to the bank

Saw this floating around and it made me chuckle:

Change your Social Media pics to HRC tomorrow for President's Day... or Tweet her photo (or Putin's) to the Orange one. Pass it on!

Treasonable Doubt

I do believe the tide has turned. But my burning question is how do the Kochs fit into this.

Of course we have no reporting on them from corporate media so we have to figure it out for ourselves, if even in another thread.

One thing that scares me is the Kochs didn’t stop this 6 months ago.

They were on the side of Mueller, and allowed congress to speak in favor of him.

Then the Koch-owned repugs flipped and started opposing the investigation, and helping Russia.

My big fear is that Koch bros have decided that they are OK with the coup. They are oligarchs after all. They hate the federal government.

So if Russia and Koch Inc are working together, then we are fucked. Because the feds can drag Trump away but the Koch owned Supreme Court, Cabinet, Congress and State Governments stay.

This is about democracy now and what power and control will look like in the 21st century.

we vote the fuckers out

trump's victory in the Electoral College, resulted from <80,000 yahoos in PA, WI, & MI. (those poor misunderstood white working class males)

Hilz won popular vote by more than 3 million

GOP can be defeated voting has consequences

[quote]Then the Koch-owned repugs flipped and started opposing the investigation, and helping Russia.

Perhaps that had more to do with what the Russians have on the Repugs rather than what the Kochs want.

Have to say I loved 'There Is A Treason, Turn Turn Turn' - because there's a sense of events, and people (Gates) turning, as Mueller turns the screw.

Also, as Trump feels the pressure and tweets out his mania, one thinks of Harold in 'Boys In The Band' seeing incipient breakdown, and commenting, 'Turning!'

Can we stop having 90% of the posts on this thread discussing the name of the next thread when we're only 50 replies in? WTF?

"At the heart of the Russian fraud is an essential, embarrassing insight into American life: large numbers of Americans are ill-equipped to assess the credibility of the things they read."

Such a complete and total asshole in every way possible.

Regarding Bernie Sanders. Hllary had to run against someone else within the Democratic Party first to be chosen as the Dem Representative. I don't think it would have mattered who runs against her then, because Putin would have thrown his support and his funds towards that person whether he is willing or not. I have no doubt Sanders was at least willing to be Putin's puppet. I mean, you don't get into bed with a Manafort associate and don't know where that guy's true loyalties are.

[quote]Regarding Bernie Sanders. Hllary had to run against someone else within the Democratic Party first to be chosen as the Dem Representative.

And what was wrong with me? At least I'm an actual Democrat and have abs!

Bernie was too busy hacking into Hillary's donor files, or had we forgotten about that?

Funny you should mention that, R56. I have a friend who started getting e-mails from Bernie, Jane and "The Sanders Foundation." He somehow got on their mailing list despite not ever signing up or giving them his info. He believes they got his contact info from his donation to Hillary (when the Sanders campaign stole her info).

Really good piece, R36. Thanks.

Re Sanders and Stein, I would put money on it that Mueller's team is investigating them as well.

I hope they drag Bernie & his shady AF wife through the wringer.

I think last Fall is when the GOP decided, and maybe with help from the Kochs, that this is the President we're stuck with, and we need to come up with a "governing strategy" and deal with it. Remember how badly there were floundering around last year? (Not to say they aren't now) . But Priebus was supposed to be the eyes and ears of Ryan, and by extension, Congress. Then you also had Porter come in who was a senate staffer. (Orrin Hatch). The GOP Congressional leadership was attempting to keep things under some semblance of control, but Priebus wasn't up to it.

Now it seems like they have reached a quasi-agreement with Trump. Trump is crazy but he ain't crazy. He finally stopped attacking McConnell, and others in Congress because he knows his fate is tied to cooperating with them. I think this is at the urging of the Kochs to develop a strategy to govern . in other words making the best of an insane situation and taking advantage of the mess they have. It's as if Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and a few other key players had lunch with the Kochs, and they were told, look, we control all three branches. Get that asshole under control and get something done. Stop the sniping and the warfare. And they sent their own man to the White House to help make it happen. It may also interest you to know that the Kochs have a man in the Legal offices at the White House working on legislation. Or at least that's what they are saying he does. This is someone who was the director of governmental whatever for the Koch's and is a well known figure. I can't remember his name.

I too am interested in how the Kochs react to the Russia involvement. They are an international company. They have interests and diverse industries all over that depend on working with other governments. I have to wonder what those interests are, and whether they own other world leaders. It's foolish at this point to assume the Kochs don't impose on other countries. They aren't invincible. I'm serious. We need to push back hard. It's like we have experienced and infestation of rats and we have to get rid of them. Once we do, we have to change some laws. But IMO the best way to handle the Kochs is to make them see by our actions and our effectiveness, that all their money means nothing to the voters. We have to dump the GOP.

The Kochs are in charge in Washington. If they let the coup happen, they stand to benefit.

They’ve always wanted to destroy the fed so I think they are in cahoots with Russia.

Jill Stien needs to be rounded up and questioned.

In case you missed this...

“A former Trump staffer told me tonite that w/ news that Mueller has been able to flip Rick Gates, in addition to Mike Flynn & George Papadopoulos, “there’s nobody more nervous than Trump” right now. He added Trump’s “always been paranoid” but his paranoia has reached new heights.”

R64 LOL His paranoia in firing Comey (who actually helped him get elected) started all this. Talk about being self destructive.

Donald Trump has taken the presidency to yet another new low.

In a remarkable set of tweets over the weekend, the commander in chief sounded off on new revelations about the extent of Russia’s campaign to undermine our electoral system. His response: to lash out at his political adversaries and the institutions that are charged with keeping the country safe.

Imagine how history would have judged Franklin D. Roosevelt in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor, if he had taken to the radio airwaves to declare that Tokyo was “laughing their asses off.” Or if George W. Bush had stood in the rubble of the World Trade Center with a bullhorn and launched a name-calling tirade against the Democrats.

His claim was grotesque and baseless, even by Trumpian standards. His self-absorption is such that he cannot see beyond his own fixation, which is that all of this has no meaning beyond the legitimacy of his own election.

Moscow must indeed be laughing.

[quote]We've just hit a new presidential low

Don't worry... there's still lower.

Am I the only one who doesn’t care about his tweets? They are seperate and apart from what he does officially (which is terrible enough). They serve no purpose or agenda other than rally his base and troll his detractors.

I don’t think it is news, anymore that what candidates say to their constituents while stumping.

That being said, take his phone away and throw it in the potomac already.

[quote]Talk about being self destructive.

Well yes, but with new depths of paranoia, he's not unlikely to remind the world of how big his shiny special button is.

Haha Donnie doesn’t have the codes. He sold them to the highest bidder.

They switched footballs right in front of our noses.

When I see that Trump let go a tweet storm, ass they are now called, I just glance at it and say, "Duly noted" and move on. No point in dwelling and wasting time on bullshit. What's important is the GOP agenda and the regulations and legislation that's on the table either to be discarded or passed. Public policy is important. It affects every single part of our lives from what we pay for a loaf of bread or a gallon of gas, to whether or not our kids get a decent education, our water is clean, and we have access to good quality, affordable healthcare. The monster who lives in the White House is a deliberate distraction while the fuckers in Congress dismantle our government. These are bad people and we need to remove this blight from our political lives.

As an aside, would you believe it? Bernie is traveling all over the country, coming to Lansing Michigan soon to discuss...wait for it... banning automatic rifles! Ar 15s. Yes. That opportunistic old pig thinks people are stupid enough to forget that he was hiding under the bed after Newtown. Or LAs Vegas, or Columbine, or the Church shootings, or Virginia Tech, etc.etc.etc. The guy with one of the highest NRA ratings in Congress. Fucking phony.

He was MIA for Gabby Giffords, too.

[quote] They are seperate and apart from what he does officially

Not really, R68.

"The President is the President of the United States, so they're considered official statements by the President of the United States,"

-- Shouty Spice

Thanks to Bernie, Jill and Putin, we don't actually have a President for President's Day. Just a reality show schmuck pretending to be President.

Isn't it irony this whole conspiracy plot unraveled because of the ineptitude of the Fool the conspirators tried to elevate? Betting on a Fool, the bigger fool is you.

When Dump goes on a Twitter rampage I take note because it means something else is about to drop.

Who keeps jamming Bernie into every topic, regardless of relevance. It’s like they want to group him with every boogie man.

Very russian tactics with it all.

When Russia offers some tea...

Surely, R78, since a quick google search will tell you that Bernie got a D- from NRA for his voting record. Lies are like spaghetti to the Russian bots and Trump traitors - they throw it out there hoping it will stick.

Nice try, R78. Bernie is a piece of shit and he is grouped in with this mess because he was a part of it.

You're the troll!!!

No, you're the troll!!

No, You are!!

No you are!!!

No, you!

Fuck you! You know you're the troll!!

No, you fuck you! You're the troll, it's obvious!!!!

Does that about cover it?

Who is the only non-Republican in the top 25?

The trolls are obvious to me. They stick out clear as day because they always have the same EXACT talking points across all platforms.

Facebook could end the siege tomorrow but they would lose a few bucks. They would eventually make back but that’s not good enough for them.

What I don’t understand is why is there no pushback from legit advertisers on FB.

If you paying money for an ad campaign, but it’s fake accounts and trolls who are on there, it doesn’t translate to sales.

The inflated numbers on FB are mostly trolls so why advertise to a bot or a troll farm.

I don’t get it.

Good point, R85. I bet Advertisers probably haven't even thought about that.

The uncomfortable truth is that most of social media's "power" is overinflated in order to attract advertising dollars. It's like pointing at ratings (aka clicks) that people are interested and that's where the advertisers reach their biggest audience. Without these Russian bots and the bought social media followers, the whole social media advertising bubble would burst pretty bad.

[quote]Does that about cover it?

The elevated tone was set during the debate.

HRC: You're a puppet.

DJT: No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet!

Well they are wasting shareholders money by the billions. Nobody is reading those ads, they are funneling shareholder money from one exec to

People should be outraged at the money wasted by these companies. That comes right off the bottom line. We’re talking BILLIONS.

Don’t even get me started on twitter. Fortune 500 companies are wasting all that cash on ads on a platform that is 25:1 trolls to legitimate users.

All that ad money that Silicon Valley has stockpiled was illgotten.

Shareholders should rally and force them to clear of the fake profiles and fake users.

Advertisers should get refunds for the scam of it all.

And shareholders should be reimbursed for the losses.

R83, thanks. Looking at that list the top Republicans a re the ones that seem to defend Trump more than others. Cruz is practically invisible these days. Rubio manages t say stupid things once in a while. Then more stupid things to contradict the first stupid things.

Rubio's fucking joke. Too bad we have to wait for 202 to dump his sorry ass.

The litmus test for a troll is if it mentions Hillary, Obama or Bernie. All relics of a different time, dragged back up because they got nothing.

No normal person is talking about these people.

Anyone still defending Bernie must be a troll. Crashing the Dem Party just to show his disloyalty. That's just takes the cake for being an asshole. Defending an asshole makes you a troll.

Sure, R94, sure. Bernie just totally shouldn't be mentioned (unless it's to defend him) as he's not currently out there still trying to grab that Dem ticket for another cash grab.

R91 people should start threatening to boycott the companies who advertise on FB, etc. Directly contacting them actually makes a bigger impact than people realize.

I've seen people kicked off TV shows because consumers threatened the advertisers that unless the person was removed they'd stop buying their products.

Guess what? The people were kicked off the shows.

R96 Except he's been implicated in the Russian investigation and needs to be investigated for his part. Bernie Bros/Trolls are just being protected of their false idol, so let's not talk about Bernie.

Nobody hates bernie in real life. They like him on the right and the left. Only bots and trolls still drag him up. Glad we settled that.

In other news, we are not fulling for the russian stunts anymore. You've been exposed by Mueller.

Now go make russia great again and take back your own country. We will support you.

Yes, R98. That's what I was saying. R27 had it right.

we don't do that "such and such has it right" on this site. This is a bitchfest, now a pow wow. You give yourselves away. I hope your supervisor sees this. They are going to dock your pay!!!

s time for the russian trolls to ask for hazard pay. It is getting dangerous for them. If the ever leave russia, they will be arrested.

By becoming an online troll, you have effectively given up your right to every leave that wretched place.

Is it really worth that for a few rubles?

Worth repeating from the previous thread:

Putin's Three Stooges:

Donnie: NO COLLUSION!

Jill: Who me?

Bernie: Look over there!

[quote]we don't do that "such and such has it right" on this site.

You're trying way too hard. I'll say as I please and if you are seriously trying to say nobody on DL says, "has it right," you're a moron.

NEW RULE: Everytime a russian troll mentions Bernie Sanders, you must respond with questions about the russian sanctions that were never enforced.

We need to get to the bottom of why these sanctions, which was signed into LAW, were never enforced.

So, let Bernie be a reminder of the sanctions and how the white house is ignoring the law

Seeing as how R105 seemingly only has like four posts total in the past threads... well, we'll let that speak for itself.

NEW RULE: Everytime a troll defends Bernie they must respond to how he illegally accepted campaign funds, illegally spent campaign money, broke in to HRC's DB, and how his campaign manager was tired to Russia.

R105s methods are right out of the Troll Farm handbook. Best to do with him as all other trolls. Don't feed. Ignore.

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Textbook, lol.

Bernie didn't know his campaign strategist had Russian ties. Bernie didn't know the DNC was hacked by Russians to prop up the story he was "cheated." Bernie didn't know his campaign (ahem Russians) hacked Hillary's donor list. This load of crap is what the Bernie Trolls are trying to sell here.

Those sanctions tho.

You know what R110 I'll take them at their word because all it proves is he was never smart enough to be President and deserved to lose the primary he didn't belong in in the first place.

R112 But they are still pushing this sad sack for 2020!

He also didn't know he was illegally using campaign funds to stalk the Pope!!!

But to be fair.. there does seem to be a lot he doesn't know as evidenced by that NYDN interview. Not his fault though because it was done before 10 AM.

We must remember Bernie and his trolls were, are and will be ANTI-DEMOCRAT, PRO-RUSSIA and PRO-TRUMP (ahem Susan Saradon). They see Democrats as their true enemies. Don't believe a word they say.

“When Dump goes on a Twitter rampage I take note because it means something else is about to drop.”

That does seem to be the pattern. Like he gets a heads up a few days before.

I’d like the next one to be a bimbo eruption to really piss off La Melania. I like it when she slaps his hand away.

The relevance of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein in this mess is to point up the extent to which the Russians interfered with the 2016 election and exactly how insidious their plans were. I'll accept for the present that these two were unwitting participants in the scheme until Mueller tells us otherwise. At this juncture, they are not the critical problem.

In light of Friday's indictment, Trump's decision not to enforce the sanctions makes it look as if he has been blackmailed and compromised and is the traitor we all believe him to be.

Consider please that if the situation were reversed and Mueller's indictment revealed the Russians were trying to help a Democrat. The Repukes would have been on the news 24/7 since Friday screaming for impeachment.

The fact that Trump has not been ousted from the Oval Office is a travesty. He should be impeached and removed from office for treason and then put on trial for crimes against the United States.

I gotta give credit to Mueller. Do you notice how every time someone is flipped, there’s some caveat that reassures Trump that he’s not in danger? It’s hilarious.

Gates and Flynn know all sorts of shit about the Orange one. Part of the reason their finances are so shady isn’t because they were following the Trump model. He’s fucked.

[quote]We need to get to the bottom of why these sanctions, which was signed into LAW, were never enforced.

I daily send faxes to my rep and my two senators demanding they raise this issue. I live in NYC, so it’s kinda pointless, but I’d encourage people in red and purple states to do likewise. Make that orange piece of shit squirm.

I demand that this be the next thread's header image.

The russian trolls need to get a union.

A union? What do you think they are? A bunch of communists?

they already get 10 rubles, 3 potatoes and a liter of vodka every month, what more could they want

a gallon of vodka and the good fentanyl from China

Is nice of the Bernie troll to be so concerned with the working conditions of the Russian ones.

Is very nice. I always very nice troll to trolls. Bernie is hero. I love Bernie, watermelon and applie pie. Who is this Bernie again?

Clockwork, lol.

Worth keeping in mind what one of the old dog pundits said about Watergate: The then deplorables thought it was a communist Russia plot all the way till Nixon's resignation.

I prefer this one R120

Reading all these posts with mangled grammar, broken syntax, and numerous misspellings is giving me a headache. It would be easier if Boris and Natasha would just write it in Russian and let me run it through Google Translate instead.

Well, the ones who speak English well get the extra bucks and graduate to the Facebook beat, R130. We get the dregs.

That’s true. Any troll worth their salt is not on the DL beat. They’ve moved on the FB.

These are the entry-level trolls.

So many people talking about trolls with cleared cookies. Interesting.

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What r3 said

Most of them are parody, R130. A lot of doubters on the DL who aren't Russian bots. The bots caught on quickly, though and added to the din of Russian bot denial knowing the confusion it would cause. DL snark is not the hard, it seems, to pick up. It quickly became a dire situation with innocent doubters (how dare they!) on the dank little corner called the DL, became accused of being hysterical queens, commie infiltrators named Boris, and out to cause destruction at the expense of sanity. It was chaos!

How about "To Everything There Is a Treason (Turn, Turn, Turn) for a future thread title?

Facebook gets the 'Marcia' trolls. We get the 'Jan' trolls.

Let's talk about Treasons! Ignore the Trolls and hold the title suggestions for the last 100 post stretch.

So no one bothered to start a part 2 to the Russia indictments thread? This one seems a mess with trolls.

As the the impact of meddling on actual vote totals, looking at the trump and stein margins is instructive. This does not even take into account Johnson votes, those convinced to vote for trump, Bernie bros and others who stayed home, minority voter suppression etc

R140 Yes! Trump's margin is so low... anyone who say Trump was inevitable is talking out of their Russian Troll ass. Trump is closer to defeat than the trolls would have you think... his "base' is incapable of winning alone without the coordinated Russian smear campaign.

Another thing — I just read the 601 post Russian indictment thread and not one person commented that trump has not announced any response to the Russian meddling — neither prophylactic nor punitive. Nor has the GOP demanded it.

Now the Orange one's blaming Obama for not preventing Russian meddling. This asshole deserves to be impeached.

The irony is lost to the insane. If Obama had prevented Russian meddling, this Doofus wouldn't be in the WH tweeting about Obama.

Even if Obama didn’t do anything (which isn’t the case), why would that be an excuse for him not to act now? It makes mo logical sense but the bots and braindead base are repeating this spin all over twitter

Also never forget the Mitch McCuntell knew of Russian interference but refused to do anything about it. #GOPTraitors

Trump asked Putin twice about Russian interference, and Putin twice denied it. Following Mueller's latest indictments, Trump's blustering tweets conceded Russian 'bad actors' sowing discord (self-serving understatement, of course).

Thus Putin is seen publicly to have lied to Trump about deep interference in his country's democratic processes. For a President so very keen about seeming big loud and strong, and to MAGA, Trump's silence about Putin's lies to him is deafening. It represents an abject failure of Leadership.

And if Hillary had won we would be in the middle of investigations up the ass and you know that the Trumpublicans would not hesitate to impeach HER.

Hillary was lucky she was not elected.

Trump is something America deserves to live through.

Something to learn from.

R146 Trump knew. He trademarked MAGA right after a trip from Moscow in 2012.

I wonder if that is in the Steele dossier, r148?

No, I think it was a vanity fair article. Or it was one of the investigative journalists sussed it out.

Yes R145. I am getting frustrated that media outlets including MSNBC are failing to remind everyone that McConnell blocked Obama from issuing a bipartisan statement on Russian meddling before the election.

It's so obvious that Trump has been a Russian asset taking his marching orders directly from Putin since at least 2012. I just wonder if the conservatives in the FBI and IC had their panties so twisted over having a black president (similar to the deplorables) that they weren't paying close enough attention.

Maddow Blog: "Unless something changes in the next few days, Jared Kushner is going to need a new job by the end of the week..."

Regarding the claim that Russian meddling had no effect on the outcome, is a ridiculous assertion. Why do campaigns spend millions on political ads if they don't work? Isn't that what Russian meddling essentially was? It was non-stop negative political ads. It was advertising money spent against her. I know why they are being so emphatic about mentioning this over and over. They don't want to de-legitimize the entire election and throw us into a constitutional crisis for which the constitution has no remedy.

[quote] I know why they are being so emphatic about mentioning this over and over. They don't want to de-legitimize the entire election and throw us into a constitutional crisis for which the constitution has no remedy.

Pretty much. The election was stolen through the intervention of a hostile foreign power. We have a traitor sitting in the Oval Office who was illegitimately installed as President of the United States.

Now what do we do?

[quote]Now what do we do?

Don't know about you, but we will do our best to distract our viewers and readers the best we can. Oh, LOOK OVER THERE!

I agree with R147 but unfortunately 35% of the US will never get it!

r156, that number is a lot smaller, because this is just an estemate of those US citizens who go and actually vote (aka voter turnout). There is a huge part of US citzens who don't bother to vote at any election.

sorry, because it's just an ESTIMATE of those US cititzens ....

[quote] Hillary was lucky she was not elected.

Lucky for her -- unlucky for the rest of us who have had to live through this hell. One of the only good things to come from this debacle is to show the world exactly how craven and hypocritical the Rethuglicans are. Oh, of course most of us knew it. But now it has been on full display so there is no hiding it any longer. They have one standard for Democrats, and an entirely different standard for Repukes.

It's quite sad that people need further evidece that Republicans are vile hypocrites after they pushed for all these wars after 9/11, did the whole "support the troops" meme, and then denied the veterans any kind of benefits.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!

Yeah, Donald's tweeting up a storm again this morning. Not quite as unhinged as yesterday, but still obsessing on Obama.

To paraphrase Jake Tapper, it's ironic that the real estate developer who tried so hard to keep out black tenants is now allowing a black man to live rent-free in his own head.

R161 He's the fake president...

Scott MacFarlane

@MacFarlaneNews

BREAKING: Robert Mueller charges another man in DC federal court. Alex Van Der Zwaan charged with making false statements to Special Counsel's Office

I guess Van Der Zwaan is the son in law of a Russian oligarch. Try googling his name. It’s weird.

I suspect (and I say this without any concrete evidence) that we’re gonna find LOTS of friends and relatives of Russian oligarchs sitting right here in the USA, funneling money into the GOP.

Thanks, Citizens United!

If ICE is so excited to deport folks for being involved in criminal activity, maybe they need to start looking at Russians.

Conservatives urge Trump to grant pardons in Russia probe P

R167, I don't think a co-conspirator to treason should be permitted to pardon his fellow traitors.

Orange Cheetolini belongs in jail not in the Oval Office.

Amen, r165. I distinctly recall Obama addressing Citizens United in a SotU about a week after the decision. I remember nodding my head vigorously, as I knew that case would open up a world of hurt in American politics. Obama's words are almost haunting now. That case has seriously wounded American democracy, hopefully not irreparably.

According to Politico, the Democrats did the same thing in Ukraine that they are accusing the Russians of doing. Why is OK for Ukraine to meddle in our election on behalf of Hillary?

"Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found. . . . ."

The Citizens United decision is so important to the republicans that it was worth stealing a Supreme Court seat and stealing an election

Tell Kellyanne to speak the truth. That would be the ultimate challenge

Now right-wing, pro-NRA, conspiracy theorists are claiming those school kids are part of a dark conspiracy to kill the second amendment; and the shooting is all fake, orchestrated by Obama and Hillary who hired the paid actors.

[quote] Tell Kellyanne to speak the truth.

Her brain would explode and dribble out before that ever happened.

[quote] pro-NRA, conspiracy theorists

My hatred of these people is without rational limits. What a sad, awful world to live in.

[quote]Now right-wing, pro-NRA, conspiracy theorists are claiming those school kids are part of a dark conspiracy to kill the second amendment; and the shooting is all fake, orchestrated by Obama and Hillary who hired the paid actors.

I'm surprised it took this long.

R174 Do they need to see the dead bodies themselves? Even that might not dispel their delusion.

Here is a picture of a pack of smiling "crisis actors" including teenager David Hogg who was a "random witness" at a TV news story in California last summer.

The theory is not that the shootings did not take place, R175, but that someone other than the designated shooter helped carry them out.

Malcolm Nance’s analysis of what the new indictment means for Manafort.

“My BEST assessment on this NEW Muller indictment? They think Manafort is a paid Russian agent. They are scrubbing all of his past relationships with proMoscow persons & indicting everyone who lies. Manafort is in SERIOUS trouble! Maybe even Espionage act trouble?”

It's really interesting to me that this particular thread has gone to 13 parts and I think most of us who have been here would agree that it has been relatively troll free... until the past two days?

All of a sudden one person brings up trolls and then it becomes a lot more trolly-y than it has been.

Just something to keep in mind. I'd suggest ignoring them and not letting them derail the thread which is obviously what they desperately want.

Feels to me like something else is about to happen and they're deeply worried.

What if it turns out that Russia tricked us into voting for Obama too?

How will we ever have a functioning democracy when the voters get their political views from online trolls from overseas?

Can't we just tell CNN that their jobs have been outsourced? They usually love it when foreigners take American jobs.

Oh, Hon at R179 don't bother pretending that you voted for Obama.

Oh, but I did vote for Obama - twice. R180. I didn't get red-pilled until after 2012. I am what you call a Jordan Peterson conservative. I was a life-long liberal who abandoned the Democrats when they abandoned common sense and reason and liberalism in favor of censorship, pseudo-science, and phony "progressive"-ism.

Also, today's super-rich Beltway Democrats openly despise working class whites and contrive to make our lives harder, which is why I can no longer vote for them.

R179 just put it on ignore I can’t even see it

[quote]Also, today's super-rich Beltway Democrats openly despise working class whites and contrive to make our lives harder, which is why I can no longer vote for them.

You think the Republicans draining the swamp right into the coffers of the 0.0001% think the working class whites are anything other than useful idiots?

I'm Here!

No I don't R184, I think most Republicans are just as bad as most Democrats. I hate the Republicans who hate Trump as much as I hate the Democrats. Trump is the best thing in US politics since Teddy Roosevelt.

Drain the swamp! MAGA! These are the slogans that cost Hillary the election, not anything the Russians did.

R175, seeing dead bodies wouldn't matter. Gun nuts value guns over human lives.

So as I was saying, this has been a troll-free thread until the past day. Something's av brewing.

[quote]Gun nuts value guns over human lives

Gun nuts know that there were many adults at that school who could handle firearms. Had one of them been allowed to carry, all 17 lives might have been spared.

Were it standard practice to have several qualified members of a school's staff be armed and ready to take on school shooters, there might be a serious reduction in school shootings.

^^^Sheesh. It's just not fair, DL always gets the dumbest trolls!

No R187 even dead white children wouldn't sway them, BUT there are more middle of the road low information suburban red state Republicans who MIGHT be swayed to demand their reps take action if they were confronted with the truth of this automatic weapons bullshit. It is a horrible thing to have to hope for, but I hope some of these parents have the fortitude to release police photos of their murdered white children to the press, twitter, facebook, anyone who will publish them. Human beings who don't get that a civilized nation does not need to grant civilians the right to own assault weapons such as AR15s need to SEE it - live an din full color on their TV and phones. It needs to be like Vietnam footage on CBS news every night. They need to see the insanity because they don't have the reasoning skills to figure it out on their own. Anti gun activists need to run a campaign like Russia did. If they could demonize Obama and Hillary two of the smartest politicians our country has ever produced, surely sane Americans with a little tech savvy can demonize automatic weapons and the people who think they have a "god" given right to them.

[quote]It's just not fair, DL always gets the dumbest trolls!

Yes, how dumb of me to think an armed adult could protect unarmed people from a student shooter. How dumb Hillary Clinton must be to rely on Secret Service protection!

Three hundred Americans lost their lives last week alone due to prescription drug abuse.

When are we going after the makers and sellers of prescription drugs?

The only thing that would get them excited about a school shooting is if the shooter is an illegal or brown/black. They will shrug off this shooting as "unfortunate" or the "FBI's fault". And of course, they send their "thoughts and prayers" to the victim's family. Dab away those crocodile tears. Next!

Prescription drug abusers aren't able to kill 20, 30, or 50 innocent people with their prescription drugs. If the owners of assault weapons were using them only to kill themselves, that might be a sensible comparison.

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a minute ago [quote]Prescription drug abusers aren't able to kill 20, 30, or 50 innocent people with their prescription drugs

The abusers are the victims, the makers and peddlers of the drugs are the murderers.

For starters, there is no psychological condition on earth whose legitimate treatment is decades of amphetamine abuse. 

Prescription drug abusers aren't able to kill 20, 30, or 50 innocent people with their prescription drugs.

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Prescription drug abusers aren't able to kill 20, 30, or 50 innocent people with their prescription drugs.

[quote]Prescription drug abusers aren't able to kill 20, 30, or 50 innocent people with their prescription drugs

The abusers are the victims, the makers and peddlers of the drugs are the murderers.

For starters, there is no psychological condition on earth whose legitimate treatment is decades of amphetamine abuse. 

DUMBASS Troll culminating at R186, no rational person believes that shit. Back to troll school for you.

John “Pizza” Podesta Turns into a Bumbling Mess When Questioned about His Brother Making $180,000 Working with Russians

With the Clinton campaign’s newfound interest in Russian espionage, it’s worth noting that it was John Podesta’s brother, Tony Podesta, who runs the firm that pocketed $180,000 from Uranium One, the Russian government’s uranium company to which then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton transferred 20% of U.S. uranium.

Russia-controlled UraniumOne retained the Podesta Group — run by the brother of Hillary Clinton’s campaign chief, John Podesta — in 2012, 2014, and 2015, to lobby Hillary Clinton’s State Department. The Podesta Group paid a total of $180,000 according to public records.

According to the New York Times, Russian President Vladimir Putin had a “goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.”

[quote]Oh, but I did vote for Obama - twice. R180. I didn't get red-pilled until after 2012. I am what you call a Jordan Peterson conservative.

Me no Russian comrade! Me simple housewife from the Idahos! MAGA!

R200 is deceitful and dishonest - a true propaganda artist.

I am telling you the truth when I say I am a white American male who voted for Obama twice (and Kerry, Clinton, and Dukakis before him) before getting red-pilled and voting for Trump.

R200 thinks US voters wouldn't have embraced Trump unless Russians told them to.

Meanwhile Trump filled 50,000 seat arenas all over the USA while Hillary fund-raised in Beverly Hills.

How did the Russians know to target Wisconsin when the Hillary campaign didn't?

R202, I'd ask Jarek that.

The trolls must be hopping mad Mueller indicted those 13 Russians. Mueller knows the enemy is Putin. If this were a chess game, Putin would be King piece, and Trump just a measly pawn. Even if the orange pawn is taken out, there's still Pence the Queen sitting at the back of the board waiting to be deployed. It's still a tough game ahead.

Red-Pilled! Democrats love when foreigners take jobs! Democrats hate workers! MAGA! Drain the swamp! Arm all teachers! Hillary relies on SS! I turned for Trump!

Got those Greatist Hits on repeat play this morning, huh Boris?

No one believes you, because only a stupid ass would make the connections you're trying to push, or would believe the things you're trying to demonstrate. Nice try, though.

Yeah, it’s genuinley fascinating that the thing that has clearly sent the trolls into overdrive is the indictment of the 13 Russian nationals. They have been out of control ever since.

Oh well. FF and ignore and carry on with our conversations. These threads are too good not to continue.

Yeah, Vlad must have agreed to pay them overtime this week after the 13 indictments of Russians.

It never gets old to laugh at trolls and these bots to think they can convince anyone to buy their bullshit.

[quote]The trolls must be hopping mad Mueller indicted those 13 Russians.

Pro-Trumpers are howling with laughter over the 13 indictments. There will be no trials. The toothless indictments are nothing but a fig leaf that makes it look like the Mueller team is accomplishing something.

Meanwhile it turns out that several ranking members of the FBI (Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc.) tried to undermine our election.

Chris Hayes was discussing the troll farms with some reporter, and they brought up the issue that I know I'm having: Russian trolls have made it incredibly difficult to distinguish between generic #MAGA fuckwits (hi R202!) and Russian trolls.

Bots are a bit easier to spot on Twitter - they all have user names with a 6-8 digit number at the end.

At any rate, I'm convinced that at this point, anybody aggressively pushing back against the Mueller investigation online is getting paid by SOMEBODY to do so.

I love the ignore function. That way we can see that we were assigned just one Russian troll today, who at times is trying to convince us he was an Obama voter who switched to Trump, and at times is just generally trying to sow distrust in our system.

Actually, R209, here in the USA Trumptards are stunned this weekend. Reality and facts are eating away at their comfy delusions. Once you showed up pushing your nonsense and dragging out lies about Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc, you revealed yourself. Your shtick is tired, exposed, and laughable.

Time to block the troll and back to the news! Mueller got another one today!

Love this thread, love my DL bretheren, and love the USA!

What is really sad is that I am a red-pilled former liberal who keeps getting called Boris and accused of being a Russian troll.

I am telling the truth about myself and I am disbelieved, while those who lie ridiculously about me are taken to be on the side of truth.

Not that I care. My side won. Hillary will never be President and for that I am eternally grateful.

[quote]Once you showed up pushing your nonsense and dragging out lies about Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc, you revealed yourself. Your shtick is tired, exposed, and laughable.

Time will tell. Mueller postponed Flynn's sentencing. Flynn will not be sentenced. But McCabe may be.

Mueller/Comey 2020

R215 Comey is tainted. He bent over for the notorious Email Memo. He would still be working with Trump if the Orange One weren't so paranoid and narcissistic But who didn't see that coming? At the least, Comey showed a bad judgment at a critical juncture in time.

I've noticed over the past many months that on a graph, there is "positive correlation" between the increase in troll activity here and the increase in the Orange Asshole's absolutely batshit crazy level of nauseating spew put forth via his Twitter. The 13 indictments have definitely triggered Cadet Bone Spurs and his ignorant army of domestic Deplorables and paid Russian trolls. I'd rather see them scurrying like the cockroaches they are once the light switch is turned on, but they're more like mosquitoes at a lakeside summer picnic. The Ignore icon is my friend.

[quote]The 13 indictments have definitely triggered Cadet Bone Spurs and his ignorant army of domestic Deplorables and paid Russian trolls. I'd rather see them scurrying like the cockroaches they are once the light switch is turned on, but they're more like mosquitoes at a lakeside summer picnic. The Ignore icon is my friend.

We pro-Trump posters are Americans not Russian trolls. We run into the light to make our views known. You are the ones who scatter us like cockroaches, hiding us in the darkness with your "ignore" button.

"We pro-Trump posters"

Actually, from the 'ignore' feature, it appears there's just one of you. And it is apparent from the sheer volume of your posting that you're most likely 'on the clock' and being paid to post your pro-discord crap here.

[quote]You are the ones who scatter us like cockroaches

So you admit you are a cockroach?

Boris, Boris, Boris. Mueller postponed Flynn's sentencing how long ago? Three weeks, was it? Has anything happened since then? You know, like maybe more indictments, guilty pleas, or even more charges for Manafort? Might there be a correlation?

You do realize that the investigation into Trump's deplorable, traitorous behavior took a GIANT leap a few days ago, right?

"We won, you lost!" doesn't carry any weight with rational adults. Here in the USA we learn to navigate that lesson in elementary school. Do you have school where you live?

[quote]So you admit you are a cockroach?

Learn to read. When Madonna sang Like a Virgin, she wasn't admitting she was a virgin.

Wow, this troll will help us fill up this thread in no time! :P

[quote]Mueller postponed Flynn's sentencing how long ago? Three weeks, was it? Has anything happened since then?

Yes, it has come out that Flynn was framed by McCabe who altered Strzok's 302 notes on Flynn, then destroyed the evidence.

McCabe could go to prison for this.

"You are the ones who scatter us like cockroaches"

LMFAO

Madonna was a virgin like you are an American.

As pointed out above... the troll activity increases exponentially when some shit is about to hit the fan for Dump.

Yes, laugh at the troll but don't respond to it. It loses income when you don't.

r221, don't forget the "Get over it!" after the "We won; you lost!" Deplorables love their exclamation points. And they love everything in a neat, tidy, compressed little package so they don't have to think too hard about such a scary world of brown folks and gays (and uppity women). Everything can be boiled down to a simple outcome like a sports match. Black and white, no grey. Ignorance is bliss.

[quote]Gateway Pundit!!! An idiot is an idiot by any other name.

You probably think Saddam had a vast arsenal of WMDs because CNN, the NY Times and the Washington Post told you he did.

[quote]Deplorables love their exclamation points.

Yes, if Hillary's slogan had been I'm With Her! instead of I'm With Her, we all would have voted for her.

After all, who wants to Make America Great Again when they could be a fellow traveler "With Her!" instead?

I don't get how GOP numbers are up.

No, R228, I didn't believe that at all. My bullshit detector was alive and well then, calibrated for the likes of you.

Nice deflection, but still a fail.

[quote]Learn to read. When Madonna sang Like a Virgin, she wasn't admitting she was a virgin.

So, now you're a virgin?

Not particularly surprising.

A virgin cockroach.

The lawyer pleading guilty today is the son in law of a Russian oligarch.....who also happens to be tied to Alpha Bank.....you know...whos servers were disseminating voter information and sending it to a server in Trump Tower. The noose is getting tighter around the neck of Trump and company. Mueller is no dummy...hes sending Trump signals that he is getting closer and Trump knows it. Trump will make a fatal mistake in the very near future...mark my words.

[quote]I didn't believe that at all. My bullshit detector was alive and well then, calibrated for the likes of you

I was the one saying Saddam did not have WMDs back then. It was your trusted friends in the US media who were lying to you then, and who are lying to you now. Hillary lost fair and square.

Next election, make sure your candidate condescends to campaign in the Rust Belt.

[quote]Pro-Trumpers are howling with laughter over the 13 indictments.

That's odd, as 'POTUS' in his recent tweet-panic stated that Moscow was laughing their asses off at America.

Assuming Trump is a 'Pro-Trumper', it would surely be expected that he'd be 'howling with laughter over the 13 indictments.' But no such confidence was asserted by this otherwise supremely arrogant man. Mysterious.

Take R230 with a grain of salt. There will always be ups and downs, and I always question Politico's bias.

I did a quick search and found some of the author's other article titles:

The resistance gets rolled By Elana Schor, Heather Caygle, Burgess Everett politico.com — Brendan Smialowski/AFP/Getty Images The resistance gets rolled The budget debate shows that the activist left lacks the kind of pull with Democrats that tea partiers once enjoyed with Republicans.

Left seethes as Senate nears budget deal By Elana Schor, Heather Caygle politico.com — Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images A bipartisan budget deal brewing in the Senate is already facing an internal Democratic rebellion.

Pelosi's Dreamers protest leaves some Democrats wanting By Heather Caygle politico.com — House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi spoke on the House floor Wednesday for a record-breaking eight hours, vowing to speak — and stand — until Republicans concede protections for so-called Dreamers. But for some members on both ends of her caucus who tuned in, the daylong protest did little to repair the fissure pitting lawmakers against each other on immigration and budget talks.

Hispanic members unload on Dem leaders at 'tense' meeting By Heather Caygle, Ted Hesson politico.com — Hispanic lawmakers grilled Democratic leaders on Tuesday about the party’s strategy to protect so-called “Dreamers” — and walked away with tensions still running high and divisions deep.

I found one that was negative about Trump, and that appears to come from RealClearPolitics, not Politico.

Trump's Derogatory Remarks Roil Immigration Talks | RealClearPolitics By John Bresnahan, Heather Caygle, Rachel Bade realclearpolitics.com — Trump's Derogatory Remarks Roil Immigration Talks A negotiating session Friday produced little progress as the president's derogatory comments weighed on both parties.

Go away, R234. You're nasty, unwashed Russian stank sleeve is smelling up the internets.

Can't you swine ever take a fucking bath?

you know as I compare the Jill Stein totals with the margin for Trump in those key states a thought occurs to me. Could it be possible that Stein fronted for the Russians/Trump in that if they were going to change votes, actually hack into the totals to change them, they would have change them from Hillary to Jill Stein not from Hillary to Trump. It seems even more plausible to me in light of the fact she was the one screaming for the recount, which IMO was a feint.

President Obama ridiculed Donald J. Trump on Tuesday for saying that the presidential election was rigged against him, telling Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee, to “stop whining and go try to make his case” to win more votes than Hillary Clinton.

At a news conference in the White House Rose Garden, Mr. Obama said, “I have never seen in my lifetime, or in modern political history, any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place.”

“The notion that somehow if Mr. Trump loses Florida, it is because of those people that you have to watch out for,” he said, his voice thick with sarcasm. “That is both irresponsible and, by the way, doesn’t really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you want out of a president.”

“If you start whining before the game’s even over,” Mr. Obama continued, “if whenever things are going badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else, then you don’t have what it takes to be in this job, because there are times when things don’t go our way — or my way.”

“I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes,” he said. If Mr. Trump won, the president added, Mrs. Clinton would deliver a concession speech and he would escort Mr. Trump to the Capitol for the time-honored ritual of a peaceful transfer of power.

“That’s what Americans do,” he said. “That’s why America is already great. One way of weakening America, making it less great, is if you start betraying those basic American traditions that have been bipartisan, and have helped hold together this democracy now for well over two centuries.”

R238 Anything is possible with this bunch. Especially now we know the Russians were helping all three stooges, Donnie, Bernie and Jill.

[quote]all three stooges, Donnie, Bernie and Jill

Let us all pray to god that no sex tape is on the horizon.

I don't get it. Obama said we shouldn't try to discredit election? So why are Dems doing it now? That must be fake news. You're blocked 239. You totally made that up. Didn't happen!

[quote]Especially now we know the Russians were helping all three stooges, Donnie, Bernie and Jill.

Although I don't believe Russian interference changed the results of the election, I am curious to know which people in which foreign countries are allowed to say and do things that have an impact on our elections, and which people in which foreign countries are not allowed to have an impact on our elections. Can someone please explain?

Van der Zwaan’s father-in-law is Russian oligarch German Khan, a founder of Alfa Group (which owns Alfa Bank), who has sued BuzzFeed over publication of the Steele Dossier....Alfa Bank was sending disseminated voter info to Trump Tower servers.

two of those stooges help the motherland in return.

[quote]Obama said we shouldn't try to discredit election?

He said Trump was pathetic for whining about the election before it had even happened.

[quote]So why are Dems doing it now?

Because of the very strong likelihood of Russian interference which helped Trump win three vital states.

Mueller's Move on Ex-Skadden Lawyer Puts Heat on Manafort, Gates

"Obama said we shouldn't try to discredit election?"

You really need to hide the Russian accent better.

I mean GODDAMN this troll is obsessed.

And really really really stupid.

[quote]Because of the very strong likelihood of Russian interference which helped Trump win three vital states.

There is an even stronger likelihood that Hillary's failure to visit anywhere in Pennsylvania outside Philadelphia, and anywhere in Michigan outside of Detroit, and anywhere at all in Wisconsin helped Trump even more.

How did Russian trolls know to target these three states when John Podesta and Robby Mook and their allegedly amazing ground campaign did not?

R249 It's posting the same shit over and over. It like getting tech support from India.

Seriously, R238? Put on your thinking cap. Get the strap nice and snug. OK? Ready?

Sociopaths like Trump ALWAYS project their behavior on to others. He was bellowing about election tampering because--turn your hat on, now--HE. Was. Tampering. With. The. Election. In case your cap was still warming up, here it is again: Sociopaths always project their deplorable behavior on to others. Trump was signaling, for the smart, that he was tampering with the election. Sociopaths project their own behavior on to others. Repeat.

Cap warmed up? OK, next: Read us the date on the article that you posted. Out loud. Yes, you are correct. It is dated October 16, 2016.

Now, tell us, Boris, what date the news started breaking that Russia had (with or without help) tampered with the election. You can do this.

In December, 2016. What did President Barak Obama do? He kicked out all those Russian diplomats. Remember that? Two months AFTER the link you posted.

Did your cap blow up?

Modern Democrats lose public support because they lionize corporate villains like Zuckerberg and they demonize heroic whistleblowers like Assange.

Assange is an "heroic whistleblower"? Only to Russians.

Russian trolls in concert with their American masters knew that PA, FL, MI and WI were swing states where the race was very, very tight. They took the chance that flipping votes in those states (and I believe they did flip them, based on what I witnessed happening to vote totals on election night) would not be too obvious. But it was obvious, and I believe the truth about the vote flipping is being withheld.

Putin's plan for Trump was to win the election. Maybe Trump counted on losing, but Putin wouldn't have gained anything if Trump lost and HIllary is elected POTUS after all and so not easing up on any past, current, or future sanctions against Russia or creating as much chaos in the US as Donald Trump and his Twitter rants and his cabinet member appointments.

Manafort was there to execute and oversee Putin's plan. He probably had backdoor channels to the hackers who stole the emails and meddled with the election campaign and the voting results. I wouldn't be surprised if fMueller wants that from Manafort to confirm and hand over any evidence he has for that.

[quote]Assange is an "heroic whistleblower"? Only to Russians.

And to people who know the DNC murdered Seth Rich for leaking its emails to Assange.

And sadly, we now know from the indictment that this troll farm was channeling their traffic to American servers via VPN.

So admins can't depend on Russian IP addresses to figure out who's who.

[quote]Putin's plan for Trump was to win the election.

It was a plan he shared with every voter who preferred Trump to Hillary. Lucky thing for him we won enough states fairly to carry the election.

[quote]And sadly, we now know from the indictment that this troll farm was channeling their traffic to American servers via VPN.

The gay fashion blog Tom & Lorenzo claims that they could see that the IP addresses trying to join their blog and post comments were from Russia.

Were there different farms and operations at work?

Of course, R259...

R258 VPN IPs could be compiled from the legitimate businesses that run VPN services. But if the Russians set up covert small scale VPN services from random homes or offices they acquire for this purpose, then that would be very hard to keep track of. However, that would mean there could be a paper trail.

R252 seems to be saying that Obama was projecting. Why cuz Hillary was colluding with Russians on that uranium deal and the reset button? I don't think so. And I don't think you believe that. That article is a fabrication. No way Obama warned against discrediting election. Then Dems try to discredit election.

Your gaslight trolling won't work here. That Obama quote is fake! Do you get all your info from Fox and Friends?

"And to people who know the DNC murdered Seth Rich for leaking its emails to Assange."

So we're supposed to believe that you voted for Obama twice, but that you also think his DNC murders those it doesn't like? You really need to create more "personalities" here is you're going to try to sell conflicting stories like that. You're lazy for a paid troll.

R261, how is Russian participation in our election process any different than Saudi Arabia and Israel injecting money into our process?

Why is Angela Merkel allowed to appeal to American voters if Putin is not?

Why did Obama try to sway the Brexit vote in the UK if politicians in one nation are forbidden to sway elections in other nations?

Why do the Podestas do business in Russia if it is our enemy?

Why did Bill Clinton take a six-figure speaking fee from a Russian bank if Russians are forbidden to have anything to do with our politics?

Why is it fair for the CIA to undermine elections in nations across the globe?

[quote]So we're supposed to believe that you voted for Obama twice, but that you also think his DNC murders those it doesn't like?

Yes. Those things are both true. I voted for Obama twice and I think the DNC murdered Seth Rich.

Why do fools fall in love?

[quote]Gun nuts know that there were many adults at that school who could handle firearms. Had one of them been allowed to carry, all 17 lives might have been spared.

[quote]Were it standard practice to have several qualified members of a school's staff be armed and ready to take on school shooters, there might be a serious reduction in school shootings.

Sure, R189.

"No way Obama warned against discrediting election. Then Dems try to discredit election."

Any more doubts that our visiting troll is Russian?

No usage of articles. A linguistic phenomenon of the Slavic language family.

I guess I don't need to tell you what language family Russian belongs to.

Uhhhhhh...the Spaniards?

Kushner and Haley at the UN now.

What the hell is Kushner doing there?!?

Another way to spot the bots? Their use of outdated phrases like "no way"

Don’t feed the trolls

And stop giving them English lessons

R274, don't worry, they can get it wrong on so many levels without being aware of fucking up.

So, where has our ruskij favourite been for the past 35 minutes?

End of shift at the troll farm? 😂

R276, I think he's either at lunch or has been sent off to a re-education camp because of his slips into Russian grammar.

He's probably the OAR curler who tested positive for doping and is looking for a new source of income. He's currently getting kicked out of the Olympic village and was forced to turn off his Putin-issued laptop.

It was busted down to Yahoo to blend in with the deplorables.

[quote]What the hell is Kushner doing there?!?

I believe he is doing the watusi as a form of cultural appropriation.

Russian trolls at ISA were operating on a 9AM-9PM shift.

Which means the day shift gets off at 1PM EST.

Just saying.

R277, the grammar gulag, that's where he is now. 😆

The fact that it's trying so hard... what's about to come out?

Maybe Hillary wrote the playbook for manipulating foreign elections. Why is Fox News and Breitbart burying this story? Was Obama involved or was she going rogue? Maybe she was in denial.

Please dont makeenk fun of my words! Tryink best to do verk here. Can one or two of you just says you believe me? If I can't do good here, they kickink me down to Yahoo comments farm. It is the Hell on Earth. Please beggink of you! Just one of you has to repeat : Hillary givink gun to Nik Cruz. That;s it. Then all is good. Also just say False Flag for me? Pretty please you nice american homosexuals with the giant penises?

They only give us one troll. I feel cheap and used.

spoke too soon.

[quote]I feel cheap and used.

Well, it is Tuesday.

Even if Russian liars tricked fifty million people into voting for Trump, those people still had a Constitutional right to vote for any reason they saw fit. So it makes no difference legally whether people's decisions were sculpted by online trolls or by the mainstream media. Even if Putin himself fooled the public, it was the voters themselves who were alone in the voting booth with their own consciences on election day who made the actual decision.

There are no tests, conditions, or requirements to vote beyond being Constitutionally eligible to do so.

Except for the rules banning campaign material at polling places on election day, there are no laws dictating what sort of political content is allowed to reach the voters.

[quote]Pretty please you nice american homosexuals with the giant penises?

Word of advice Ivan, keep that line in mind, and look into Chaturbate.

R289 makes a point. If putting messages on FB is a crime, then Hillary and Obama campaign also did same thing. Plus Hillary attacked 2011 Russian election. Turnabout is fair game.

[quote]Except for the rules banning campaign material at polling places on election day, there are no laws dictating what sort of political content is allowed to reach the voters.

The DOJ appears to fundamentally disagree with you, as evidenced by an indictment filed on Friday.

Keep fucking that chicken, Oleg.

[quote]Plus Hillary attacked 2011 Russian election. Turnabout is fair game.

Hillary was running a Russian-language troll farm through the CIA attempting to influence voter's opinions in 2011 Russia?

Golly, who knew.

R292, the DOJ is not going to put anyone on trial over those 13 indictments. They are window dressing to make it look like Mueller has accomplished something. Most of the ads those 13 indicted people placed on FB only appeared AFTER election day!

If lying to the voters in advance of an election were illegal, every politician and news editor in the USA would be in jail.

[quote]They are window dressing to make it look like Mueller has accomplished something.

Yet another hilarious Dennis Miller joke.

[quote]R292, the DOJ is not going to put anyone on trial over those 13 indictments. They are window dressing to make it look like Mueller has accomplished something.

Actually, they're establishment of a legal precedent to fuck Cheetolini up the ass for obstruction of justice.

As we'll all see next month.

Keep fucking that chicken, Oleg. It amuses us.

R295 is going to be awfully confused a year from now when Trump is still President.

The key turn of phrase on Pod Save America was "conspiracy to defraud." That perked my ears. Even though those guys are douchebags who paved the way for the Trump presidency.

The real obstruction of justice was committed by the FBI who conducted a bogus investigation into Hillary 's e-mails, with the results already determined before the investigation was held. They also used the dossier that they knew was bullshit to secure multiple warrants to spy on Trump before and after the election. McCabe will go to prison before anyone on the Trump team does.

Oh, Dennis, stop! Just stop!

[quote]The key turn of phrase on Pod Save America was "conspiracy to defraud."

How? Where is the fraud in slinging mud during a political campaign?

R301, I'm just passing along what they said. They also said any Trump people who knew about it would be guilty of crime.

Remember, under our federal code, ANYTHING can be prosecuted. Wire fraud statute can hit anybody. So you Russian trolls better watch out!

[quote]The real obstruction of justice was committed by the FBI who conducted a bogus investigation into Hillary 's e-mails, with the results already determined before the investigation was held.

Go look up the definition of "obstruction of justice" and get back to us, hon. Hint: what investigation was that bogus investigation obstructing?

[quote]They also used the dossier that they knew was bullshit to secure multiple warrants to spy on Trump before and after the election.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has been discovered to be invalid in the Steele dossier. Nothing. Anybody not residing on Planet Wingnut knows that. The warrants were secured based on evidence received by monitoring foreign communications between Russians and [bold]THE FUCKING TRUMP CAMPAIGN, WHO WERE CONSPIRING WITH THEM TO FUCK THE ELECTION.[/bold]

I mean Christ, even my deplorable aunt who voted for President Shithole knows that by now.

[quote]Nothing, and I mean nothing, has been discovered to be invalid in the Steele dossier.

What proof have you of prostitutes pissing on beds? Please link to it.

If the dossier were legit, the Clinton campaign and the media would have hammered us over the heads with it during the campaign, when it mattered. Instead, no one in the media would touch the dossier in 2016 because NO ONE COULD VERIFY IT.

"There are no tests, conditions, or requirements to vote beyond being Constitutionally eligible to do so."

Well that explains why that stupid white bitch who was on Oprah's panel the other night said she thought Obama and the Democrats were trying to prevent her from saying "Merry Christmas."

Somebody that fucking stupid should not be allowed to vote, procreate or hold down any type of job other than being unskilled labor.

Are you honestly asserting that 13 Russian trolls on the internet had more impact on the voters than the MSM's non-stop coverage of Trump for an entire year?

Trump is the most outrageously outspoken politician in modern history. Are you suggesting that people couldn't tell how they felt about Trump just by listening to him?

R303 What was your deplorable aunt reaction's to all this clusterf*ck? Did she go through various phases of denial before accepting the obvious explanation for the all the lying and cover-up?

[quote]What proof have you of prostitutes pissing on beds? Please link to it.

Please figure out the difference between "proven to be true" and "proven to be false".

We don't know that one yet. But it has not been proven to be false. Logic, darling wingnut fuckwit troll. Learn it, use it, love it.

Do they pay you by the post? Because you're racking up quite a bit of overtime on the troll farm today.

[quote]Somebody that fucking stupid should not be allowed to vote, procreate or hold down any type of job other than being unskilled labor.

This sort of contempt for stupid poor people is why Democrats have lost their appeal. You are supposed to be the champions of the downtrodden, not their tormentors. If you don't think stupid people should be allowed to vote, you don't believe in Democracy. Women were denied the vote for decades because men thought most women were too stupid to vote.

[quote] But it has not been proven to be false. Logic, darling wingnut fuckwit troll. Learn it, use it, love it.

Start by using your power of logic to tell me how I am supposed to prove a negative.

[quote][R303] What was your deplorable aunt reaction's to all this clusterf*ck? Did she go through various phases of denial before accepting the obvious explanation for the all the lying and cover-up?

Her response to the indictment Friday was "this is all disturbing but it proves that Trump is innocent because he's not mentioned in the indictment". Her brain has quietly shifted to accepting Russian interference in 2016, unlike the fuckwit bulk-posting here today.

[quote]This sort of contempt for stupid poor people is why Democrats have lost their appeal.

Oh Pookie? We don't have contempt for the downtrodden, not sure where you picked that up hon. But yes, we have contempt for the deliberately ignorant. People who are really adamant about being stupid. That will always earn contempt from pretty much everyone.

R308, as an expert logician, you should know that the burden of proof is on the accuser. If you cannot show me proof that Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed the Obamas used, then I am entirely right to be skeptical of your unproven claim. Prove it, or allow that it may not have happened, R308.

[quote]Start by using your power of logic to tell me how I am supposed to prove a negative.

Through evidence and credibility. Easy. Steele is an extremely credible intelligence source regarding Russia.

In contrast, you're a fuckwit troll with all the credibility of a rabid weasel.

Sarah Hucka BS just said that Trump has been hard on Russia including implementing sanctions. This is such a lie. How are they getting away with this?

R314, if that is your idea of an example of sound logic, you fail. Steele is a hired hack, and a foreigner to boot. Why was he meddling in our election?

Our ruskij friend is back, viz R291. 😂

[quote]Through evidence and credibility.

Link to the evidence! The media would have done so in 2016 if there were any. How do you KNOW Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed? Where is the rock-solid PROOF? You are the one making the claim. It is up to you to produce the evidence. "Because a British spy hired by Clinton said so" is not proof.

[quote]R308, as an expert logician, you should know that the burden of proof is on the accuser.

There was no accusation being made, you fucking idiot. This was raw intelligence that had not been confirmed.

[quote]If you cannot show me proof that Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed the Obamas used, then I am entirely right to be skeptical of your unproven claim.

Everything else in the dossier has been confirmed, except for the peepee tape. Why is that so difficult to understand, idiot troll?

They, including Sarah Huckafatwhore Sanders, say *whatever..the..fuck* fits their delusional narrative. I wonder if there will eventually be some kind of board game involving dice as to the Nixon and Trump presidencies. Which Was Worse?!! Would the game be over too quickly?

Is Pookie Russian for Troll? If not, it should be.

[quote]There was no accusation being made, you fucking idiot. This was raw intelligence that had not been confirmed

The accusation is that Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed. Until I see proof that it happened, I assert that it probably did not. .

Trump at the WH right now, struggling with his teeth again:

law enfoshment (enforcement)

foshes (forces)

sh (share)

Elishabethtn (Elizabethtown)

Tbf, he sounds sedated.

You know what's pretty amusing?

Our ruskij friend probably came here only because of th st Putin gif in the thread's header.

Of all threads, he appeared first on a thread dealing with the indictment of 13 of his Russian comrades.

R322, and until I see proof you're not a ruskij troll, I assert that you probably are one.

Hey Russian Trollbots! These queers are on to you. Your shit will not work on this site any longer. Sorry to those of you who are not, but when you support someone who lies without hesitation, no one believes you either. So why don't you just take your trashy software the hell out of here Natasha?

"You are supposed to be the champions of the downtrodden, not their tormentors."

She wasn't downtrodden in the least bit, you dimwitted jack ass. She was a middle class white woman who was deliberately making stupid statements to hide the fact she was a racist piece of shit.

R326, it is working because we are responding to the troll. Just put them on ignore.

Done with the fuckwit troll. Bye bitch.

Does Xanax make you slur your words? Because I'm convinced that's the WH drug of choice.

It's really *quite* adorable that the trolls are trying so hard on a site like this at ALL. It's like they're desperate or something. Could be they're used to the smell of Trumkin's urine-soaked sheets whenever he panics? Mueller's getting close isn't he? Tic, tic, tic...

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay ...

They are earning their rubles today, r330! But talk about a wasted effort.

"[R289] makes a point. If putting messages on FB is a crime, then Hillary and Obama campaign also did same thing. Plus Hillary attacked 2011 Russian election. Turnabout is fair game.

Boris, Boris, Boris. Weren't you sent to class earlier today to correct this?

Stupid, STOOPID fucking Russians.

R333, even Melania's English is better. 😂

Came here to find out what's happening in the Mueller investigation and found 80% of the new posts are people (one person?) interacting with a troll.

You're doing the troll's work for them, Mr. Thinks He's Clever and Wants to Prove It to Everyone.

I agree with r335. This thread is degrading. Please ignore the troll.

R336/R335 Putting the Troll and “Mr (not so) Clever” both on Ignore improves the quality of the thread considerably. .

There must be something big coming for this level of troll activity!

R309, you're the only one who linked stupid to poor, dear.

Anyone else notice that since the dropping of articles in their grammar was pointed out above, all of a sudden the word 'the' is in front of every single noun in every sentence they write?! Ha.

Ignoring weapon's-grade stupidity won't make it go away, kids.

It seems to me that Hillary took a swing at Putin. She played games with his 2011 election. So Putin swings back doing the same thing.

Do you fine men deny this? He didn't even try that hard. He got Trump for a bargain. Do you think maybe Hillary should have left well enough alone in 2011.

^^^Wow, these ladies are really would up tight today, no? What is it?

[quote] I know why they are being so emphatic about mentioning this over and over. They don't want to de-legitimize the entire election and throw us into a constitutional crisis for which the constitution has no remedy.

There are lots of issues for which the constitution has no remedy. That is exactly what courts are for. Courts fashion remedies all the time. The civil rights movement was full of court fashioned remedies.

So yes a court could fashion some kind of remedy we never heard of or even thought was possible. We'll see if there is any moral or patriotic courage alive on the bench.

I’m wondering how long russia has been in cahoots with the republicans.

If you think about.. around 2010 therepugs started up with the tea party stuff that, in hindsight, reads like russian division tactics. (Originally the republicans rejected the movement, at least the establishment.)

It could be that repugs and Russians just happened to be kindred spirits who’s goals aligned in 2016.

But it’s seems like an advancing continuum that started with freedom works, Americans for prosperity, Kochs, etc and brings us to where we are now.

We know that they all have similar objectives, but to what degree do they work together. I wonder how much russian money ends up in the Koch coffers that then gets distributed to repugs.

Good thing that we have like 20 or so prosecutors working hard to figure this out.

The former Skadden Arps attorney, van der Zwaan, is set to plead guilty this Thursday to lying to federal authorities about his communications with Rick Gates and destroying evidence. Why is this significant? Because it shows that Mueller will get tough with people who try to thwart his investigation.

Ted Cruz, the freedom caucus, Peter Thiel and the Kochs are all very anti-American when you take away the rhetoric.

They never liked this country, and as immigrants they are all loyal to their home countries. They hate democracy and hate the idea of shared power and civil rights.

When you watch their actions it all lines up. It’s only the propaganda that’s confusing.

I read it that way, too, R344. He's letting Drumpf's lawyers know that pulling crap like admitting to paying off a porn star won't exonerate anyone and may just end them up in jail.

EXACTLY, R339. You just have to be CLEVER about it, or flowers like R335 and R337 will flounce over to their ignore button for YOU.

Does this lawyer get disbarred after he's either found guilty or pleads guilty? Does the bringing of charges like this alone cause that to happen?

I think it goes further than that, R345. I don't think they have allegiance to any country. They're globalists pretending to be loyal to country. They're loyal to their bottom line. Witness how some corporations are bringing offshore accounts back to the US now that they cannot be penalized or taxed on those profits, and distributing it to shareholders. They have no shame, no real love for this country, and will use any means possible to undermine the rights of Americans to get what they want. There's Drumpf, right now, after the USSC bumped the gerrymandering of PA back to the state, telling the PA GOP to challenge it. Anything about Russian hacking? Any plans to address the public around it? Crickets.

Instead he encourages further erosion of voting rights and completely ignores the findings of the SC of PA and the USSC. He constantly reveals himself by both omission and through his ignorance of even basic Constitutional knowledge.

Hi R349. Do you think the nation-state is still a functioning reality? I think that ship sailed in the 1980's. The real ruling class has never acknowledged it. Now I think it has lost all real power.

With Reagan, Bush, Cheney. You could argue it was always meant to be that way. The electoral college flies in the face of real democracy and was put there to prevent a fucking Drumpf (or Jackson, for that matter) from happening.

No founding father thought that peasants or women should vote. Too crazy, too angry, too easily conned.

44 replies by the "Pizza Gate" Troll. 12 replies from the "Hillary did it first!" troll.

Working overtime...

R343 is on to something. I'm figuring that ever since Citizen's United allowed dark money and other shit, and the Kochs and five or six other billionaires got in the game, the Russians decided to get in too. I believe people like Manafort who had Russian "clients" encouraged them to give him money he could use for his lobbying efforts. I have to wonder how many "foreign agent" lobbyists were registered and giving money after Citizen's United.

I was also thinking. If Trump had not fired Comey there may never have been a Special Prosecutor. So in a way, we a re lucky Comey got fired. If the FBI was investigating this it would've taken forever. Mueller has all these experts hired who are all over the world checking out every single hair on Trump's ass.

Because there are no specific stated remedies to our situation right now and it's highly likely our election was stolen and our President compromised and he is literally a Russian Asset, I wonder if the FBI Counter Intelligence Unit, and Mueller, and the CIA staff (not the appointees) if they have findings of criminality or treason, can't they go to court and insist that while it is typical for the FBI to present its findings to the President, since this President is the subject of an investigation shouldn't national security predetermine what they tell the subject of the investigation? It just seems so pointless if they have to share what they're finding with the person they're investigation.

[quote] Obama said we shouldn't try to discredit election? So why are Dems doing it now?

Dmitri, say your goddamn articles!

I wonder what information they have compromised. I'm sure there has been great interest in what information Jared has been requesting.

Engrossing Twitter chain by Seth Abramson!!!!

Twitter?

Dear god, this can't possibly be what people are relying on these days. Oh no wait, I forgot about "comment sections" for online articles.

You know what's funny about the dropping of the article in the Russian troll posts...Trump does it All. The. Time.

So quiet all of a sudden. . .

r244, that's why the Russobots are buzzing in the hive. It connects Alfa Bank, the Trump server and the misinformation organization all together. The Republican candidate accepted aid and coordinated efforts with a hostile foreign government and CONSPIRED to alter the outcome of an American election.

Now we move on to international money laundering.

Борис, время для обеда, нет?

That Alfa bank server Trump mysteriously had in Trump tower even though it didn't connect to anything except Russia had kind of gotten lost in all the other noise. Glad it's so concretely front-and-center now.

What is wrong with Twitter news sources? They report a lot more things that people should be talking about than the "Both sides! Both sides!" media.

Someone always has to bitch about Twitter news at least once a thread.

I call BS on Twiter news.

I can't see the Russian troll's response so I looked it up on Ignore-Dar. What a comeback!

I say FU to R367.

The 'Russher! trolls hit hardest while it is early morning in the USA east. By then, they have their day's talking points and DL traffic is not heavy very early. So, a lot of Putty trolls and Luke Evans obsessed fans,from the UK, who aren't interested in the political stuff, post here during non-peak hours.

Sad for those poor bottom-rung trolls that get assigned to DL. It is a gay site that is relatively obscure compared to the biggies. Plus they get blowback and counter-attacked.

Woe to those who try to manipulate clever gays that are news and politically savvy. And trolls trying to piss-off elderlesbians won't get them anywhere.

These 'Rusher' trolls love to start and post in anti-Trans threads. Doubtful they are getting to trans. Trans, if anything, are determined to do what they do, as few as they may be. The motive is to inflame and divide.

Beautifully ironic that their national color is orange R363.

R370 gives himself away. Go away Flattery Troll. Gas lighting.

Everyone know there's no such thing as lesbians anymore. They're called trans men or genderqueer now.

Go back to Russia and try to stay on topic! Don't take this troll's bait!

Breaking news from Kentucky: Democrat Linda Belcher just won the reddest district flipped since Trump was elected!

Kentucky's 49th House District gave Donald Trump a colossal 72% of the vote in 2016, but Linda just turned it blue, winning the support of more than 68% of voters.

R370 Well maybe, but I get the WP and NYT and lately the comments sections have been calling troll posts as Boris or Natasha. Either people have been reading DL or everyone has the same idea.

They had to get that here. It's such an obscure reference. And so bitchy and fun! You guys have no idea how many major thought leaders come here.

Uh, R375, Bullwinkle is not exactly an obscure reference source.

These invisible strangers posting on Twitter or in comment sections - do you actually think they are giving you a clear picture of what is going on in the world and what people think about it?

A third are Russian trolls, another third are mentally ill and the last third are bored and/or lonely sad sacks. These people may or may not know anything about anything other than a rudimentary understanding of typing and posting online. They post whatever the hell they want to post without any editors, fact checkers, standards or need to take responsibility. It's just not a serious news source.

That’s amazing news, R373. A great indicator for November.

Mother fucking Kentucky! Now send the carpetbaggers Rand Paul and Matt Bevins, back from whence they came and I might consider not trash talking you for a few months.

After all, you keep re-electing that hateful turtle.

I hadn't seen this referenced in any other thread but I wanted to post something that backs up the philosophy about the Russians, which is never believe a fucking word they say but pay very, very close attention to what they do.

A Russian curler was disqualified from the Olympics for doping. Got that? A Russian athlete was found guilty of doping in a sport notorious for not needing performance enhancement drugs. This is something that the Russians DEFINITELY DID. After being found guilty of doping their entire Russian Team in an elaborate urine switching scheme and being disqualified for it this year they CONTINUED TO DOPE A CURLER who chose to compete as a non Russian.

But you have to ask WHY? Why did the Russians dope a low level athlete?

Knowing Russians for practically my entire lifetime:

1] They wanted to see if the IOC really tests EVERYONE.

2] They wanted to test a new performance enhancing drug for discovery.

Russians are relentless fuckers. Putin knows that the only way to bring Russia to its knees is economic sanctions. Hell, ALL of the Russian economy is about the size of the ILLINOIS economy. They are fossil fuel based in a world moving off of carbon based energy. This is a small economy wreaking havoc over the world because of their hate for Democracy. They are relentless fuckers, but Trump can bring them to their knees.

Oh, yeah....Trump.

Joe and Joe 2020

Kentucky elected a Democrat woman. Good for them.

It looks like that Auntie OP twat is back. It must have been a temporary ban, not a permanent one.

R372 Oh My, Ensign Intolerable, tries to project. Poor thing, did some trans poop in your Count Chocula cereal again?

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The two main Russians cleared their cookies overnight here/when work started there.

Datalounge pops up at the top of many Google searches of topics. Of course, this is a great platform to influence. Especially the "I voted twice for Obama but then I worried about Hillary... blah blah blah."

DL's memes can be seen in lots of places. In the 'Justice League' movie, either Cyborg or Flash says (in a bitchy DL way) "This is why they hate us."

Can we please call the next thread:

The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Treasonhood

Is DL super slow to scroll through the past few weeks for anyone else? I think it's something to do with the trolls.

R384, true. For example, that 'Fank you! Barron Trump is autistic' thread came up at the top of searching for any information on Barron Trump and his behaviour (a probable condition, respectively) on Google for a couple of days.

Donald still raging this morning:

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation? Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling? Why aren’t Dem crimes under investigation? Ask Jeff Session!

Did I just hear Don Jr. is taking a side hunting trip while in India? India has tigers and elephants. Who in India is giving him access to a wildlife preserve?

Trump’s unhinged Russia tweetstorm boomerangs back on Republicans:

It is true that the Obama administration failed in key ways to safeguard the 2016 election. But it has also been established by dogged reporting that leading congressional Republicans rebuffed top Obama officials who wanted them to show a united, bipartisan public front against that Russian sabotage. As The Post has reported, when those officials made that request of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), he refused, claiming (in The Post’s words) that “he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.”

Trump’s new spin in the face of the indictment — that it reveals Obama’s failure to act in the face of the threat — also invites more scrutiny of the Republicans' conduct in the face of that threat.

Much of this is speculative, which provides a way for those who find these topics awkward to avoid reckoning directly with them. But the specific conduct of GOP lawmakers in declining to show a united front against Russian sabotage of our democracy is a topic that needn’t remain speculative. It can be fully fleshed out and established with empirical, journalistic inquiry. Trump has unwittingly invited this inquiry. We should take him up on it.

Our Dear Leader is not only become increasingly unhinged on Twitter this past week, he is also showing a stunning level of blatant transparency regarding his own culpability.

Tweeting his first Russia whine of the day before acknowledging Billy Graham's death won't sit well with the evangelical deplorables.

[quote] Ask Jeff Session!

Does that fucker even know Jeff's name? This isn't the first time he's done that.

How much do I hate Trump? Let me count the ways.

[quote]Tweeting his first Russia whine of the day before acknowledging Billy Graham's death won't sit well with the evangelical deplorables.

Anything that spews from any of his various holes sits just fine with evangelical deplorables.

If you block posters, the scrolling feature gets slow. At least it does for me.

And yeah, if Trump asked for evangelicals to piss on Graham's corpse, they’d be lining up to oblige.

[quote]And yeah, if Trump asked for evangelicals to piss on Graham's corpse, they’d be lining up to oblige.

I was about to say the same thing.

Millions of Russian bots were deleted on Twitter last night.

Thousands of people on conservative Twitter lost a significant part of their followers.

And now they're LOSING THEIR MINDS.

Let's all send our thoughts and prayers to the great #twitterlockout.

I have a very strong feeling that the twitter posts at r398 are the work of Russian infiltration. If this was/is really happening, then why is not mentioned anywhere on twitter, no discussion on twitter, msm, etc ?......it only shows up on that hashtag....and multiple people tweeting it seem questionable at best.

When I'm on twitter it's mostly for the news feeds but I do have followers I accumulated during the 2016 campaign that are legit, decent human beings who hate Trump and the GOP. Every once in a while a "Hostile" will post something on one of the news feeds or in response to one of my followers. I know for a fact a few of them have been Bots for Russia, but many are simply MAGA pigs who want to get into a pissing contest. Whoever they are I simply block them. In fact, whenever I'm on Twitter and have a chance to block Trumpettes I block them. I urge others to do likewise. We all should take 20 minutes every day to "go hunting" and block the bastards. They're not hard to find. OYU put some bait in the water or just go to a conservative twitter account and enjoy yourself. I love blocking.

This is where the "twitter purge" originated......its a russian ploy people....dont get too excited that twitter is finally doing its job.....this is the latest faux outrage to enrage the masses......

Russia in RSA 🇷🇺‏Verified account @EmbassyofRussia Follow Follow @EmbassyofRussia More '@Twitter labels thousands of accounts as bots, locks them out - most of them turn out to be actual people that, weirdly enough, adhere to non-mainstream opinions. Coincidence? In before this "purge" is explained as yet another hunt for imaginary #RussianBots / #TwitterLockOut

....and note....the vast majority that are taking the bait in the "twitter purge" are conservatives who are actively promoting and retweeting russian propaganda. Its funny this happened following the russian indictments and a plea by a lawyer who is tied to Alfa bank.....and most people posting claim theyve recovered all their followers......hoax, or intentional propaganda to divert attention.

New charges for Manafort and Gates today.....under seal by the courts......that tells me it relates to Trump somehow and thats why they want it kept quiet...for now.

Interesting. Now maybe we know part of the reason it was so troll-y in here yesterday.

wonder why social media decided to do something finally this late in the game?

^They're probably going to get an indictment for aiding.

r405...because they didnt...its obviously a propaganda effort to distract.......it was started by the russian emabassy after the indictment of native russians and a lawyer tied to Alfa Bank and the Kremlin. Notice nobody is talking about it except conservatives and those that are retweeting the propaganda.....and most who claim they were affected now claim they recovered all their followers ?....if true, then they werent purged. Its a scam to create outrage.

true, it could be that they yanked the bots themselves just long enough to create outrage and distraction. Has twitter released a statement? The should be doing more to clarify this crap.

This is totally the fault of social media. They knew there were tons of fake bots, they didn't care, and they sold billions in ads against the fake profiles.

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"Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling?"

I am so tired of this question. Here's the definitive answer:

He TRIED! He had a meeting with Chuck Grassley, MItch McConnell and other Republican leaders. They warned and threatened heavy partisanship. Trump was already stirring the pot, getting ready to rally his Deplorables to protest and probably have violent riots they day after Hillary won the election, (which they all wrongly assumed was the far-gone conclusion). Better to be prepared for when that was to happen than to make a statement causing it to take place prematurely. It was a gamble which seemed to have pretty good odds at the time, but they lost. Obama knew the meddling was bad, but there was no way he could have known the extent of it at that time. Had he known, I suspect he would have thrown the idea of Partisanship out the window and taken stronger action.

I wish Don, Jr would shut the fuck up!!!

AND he kicked them all out of the country.

Seriously, R409. A massive attack on the country by a foreign power. And Chuck Grassley stopped Obama? You can list excuses. The truth is: no one thought Trump would win. Not Trump, Obama, Hillary, Putin, Comey, anybody. A historic fluke. Every star had to line up. Obama made a choice. He chose inaction in the face of real danger. He chose silence when we were under attack by Russia. His denial was weak. (And I'm an Obama supporter. But he was in denial about the serious danger we faced.)

I don't think people fully appreciate the significance of that. That was a very bold move and it told Putin that his game was completely blown. It was public and humiliating too. Obama shut down their facility and literally threw them out in the street. Dozens of them.

And now we have Pompeo bringing in the top Russian Intelligence guys along with their top military guy who was in charge of the hacking, two of them under sanctions and banned from the US, and he allows them into the country and lets them visit CIA headquarters?

I think our Intel people are really ready to throw all the Trump people under the bus. I believe in my bones that if any attempt is made to shut Mueller down we will see leaks in information flooding the media as we have never seen before and Trump won't be able to buy a cup of coffee without tasting the warm piss in it.

The gloves are off. GOP members of Congress ought to be shitting their pants. So far more than 20 have announced they won't be running, and the GOP is dragging marquee names out of the sewer like Romney and Rick Scott the governor of Florida, to run for Senate seats.

[quote]Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling?

In December 2016 Obama ejected 35 suspected Russian intelligence operatives from the US, and imposed sanctions on Russia's two leading intelligence services.

He also earlier that month told Putin to 'cut it out' with regard to email hacking. Which is rather more than Trump's feeble asking the question of Putin about interference. As though he'd say, Donald, you got me. Most plausible US Presidents wouldn't ask such a question if they didn't know the answer. But of course Trump was only asking for the sake of appearances (like visiting the first-responders in Florida for just a few minutes). He knew the answer, but pretending to take Putin's word for it suited him.

Trump's stupidity has always been a luminous embarrassment, but now he's flailing. It's pitiful.

R411 " A massive attack on the country by a foreign power. And Chuck Grassley stopped Obama? You can list excuses. The truth is: no one thought Trump would win. Not Trump, Obama, Hillary, Putin, Comey, anybody. A historic fluke. Every star had to line up. Obama made a choice. He chose inaction in the face of real danger. He chose silence when we were under attack by Russia. His denial was weak. (And I'm an Obama supporter. But he was in denial about the serious danger we faced.)"

R409 here. It looks like you are mostly agreeing with me. But Obama understands something that Trump has either failed to understand or, (more likely), could give a shit about. The job is POTUS, not dictator. This thing called Checks and Balances, (in this case, Grassley and McConnell) prevented Obama from taken action that might have gone beyond the boundaries of his position that he and others before him have always respected, (which Trump NEVER has). I think Obama (wrongfully) had faith that should the situation escalate, the other party would put this country above party partisianship and so the right thing. We (and he) now know he was mistaken. I don't think it was so much weak as it was simply strategic. It just didn't work out. And now we're all paying the price.

R389 India must be courting the Trumps for Modi's MIGA campaign (to counter China)! Actually, Trump is popular in India because Indians are happy that the Trump administration is putting Indian Americans (like asshole Haley) into positions of power.

[quote] And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found. .

They helped NYT, not Clinton, break the story on manafort's cash bribe in Ukraine

does anyone else feel like we are being abused by the right wing congress and the president? all the lies and gas lighting is not healthy for citizens.

Agreed-ish, R414. It was a failure of the imagination, perhaps. Or blindness to the powerful consequences of narrative warfare.

I don't "blame" Obama. I do recognize his failure to recognize the gathering storm. Add our new technology, and narrative war can carve up the physical world.

However, ultimately he must be held responsible. In a narrative war, the right words can be spoken.

[quote]Link to the evidence! The media would have done so in 2016 if there were any. How do you KNOW Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed? Where is the rock-solid PROOF? You are the one making the claim. It is up to you to produce the evidence. "Because a British spy hired by Clinton said so" is not proof.

You sound triggered, Oleg. Eat a cookie, you'll feel better.

I don't have to prove shit, you moron. Everything else in the dossier has been backed up with evidence. The only thing that hasn't is the peepee tape, which you're clinging to like a crackhead clinging to his pipe.

Meanwhile you also claim in this thread that HS kids protesting a shooting at their school are paid actors. Ironic, no?

R419 The right-wing lies are getting so blatant it's even turning off their faithful. This has been a horrible month for the Trumpies, and guess what, it's all downhill from here, so get ready for even more outrageous lies and unhinged rant from the conservative pundits/trolls.

The alt-right shit heads really didn't like being exposed to the truth, did they? That most of their following was manufactured and they aren't as important as they thought they were.

By the way, the troll POSTING in RANDOM CAPS sounds like our resident hotel maid from Las Vegas, Poo Shoes. She's a deplorable numbskull.

R421 It's like seeing vampires screeching when exposed to light! Highly amusing if it weren't such a dire situation we're in.

[quote] does anyone else feel like we are being abused by the right wing congress and the president

And they are a small minority of the US. They need to be roundly defeated once and for all. They gamed the ballot box by illegal partisan gerrymandering, Russian collusion and a holdover from slavery. Time for us to hit the streets, since being heard at the ballot box was stolen from us.

Three of the dead kids at that school were Junior ROTC. One was given a posthumous admittance letter to West Point as an honor, since it was his dream. All three kids were given medals of heroism by the US military. Chris GRady is one of the surviving spokespersons for the students and he enrolled in US Army Airborne before this shooting happened.

Look how smart and brave these kids are compared to Cadet Bone Spurs and his ilk.

The blue wave will only be real if people show up. The test of R423's worldview will be Election Day. It is a contest of wills. Not a contest of righteousness.

once they've lost Kentucky its over

Whats next, oklahoma?

Deplorables just need to go ahead and burn the american flag already. They are basically isis at this point.

R426 You hit the nail on the head.

r411....Im sorry if you think others should have a crystal ball and be able to predict the future.....you sound like one of the tin hat conspiracy theorists or a delicate little flower. Obama knew, but nothing was conclusive....the evidence was starting to mount, and he sought assistance from our political leaders who told him to fuck off. What did you want him to do ? Get on national tv and say trump and the russians were somehow tampering with the election process....with no proof ?....while Trump was using election fraud and a rigged election as a battle cry ?....when GOP leaders threatened to accuse him of meddling with the election ?

You are part of the problem in todays society.....you lack critical thinking skills and objectivity, and you want things done immediately even before the facts are known. Al Franken thanks you.

I believe first that when Obama told Putin to his face to , "cut it out" he very probably used stronger language as well as outlining some consequences. I also believe, in fact I'm convinced, that we do not know what Obama did except the parts that are public. It is very very probably our Intel people and other intel agencies all over the world were "doing something" about this.

I agree, that while at first "everyone " believed Hillary would win, by the last two weeks before the election, after Comey's "October surprise" when he announced he found new evidence to re-open the e-mail investigation, we saw the race begin to tighten. It was quickly evident that it was no sure thing for HRC, and Obama and the Dems werel working their asses off to insure turnout. Their efforts paid off. Hillary won the popular vote.

But the election was rigged for Trump. 77,000+ votes in three states .Trump telegraphed as much when he was stating he didn't know if he would concede, because if he lost it was obviously rigged. Projection. I'm convinced that if Obama had publicly discussed the Russian involvement, especially with no bi partisan corroboration, the GOP?Russian?Trump machine would have gone apeshit on Obama & Hillary. Instead of being received as the POTUS telling the American people about a cyber attack it would definitely have been viewed as a political trick.

In a way this is a mixed blessing. Yes, we'd have been better off with Hillary . But this Congress with McConnell & Ryan, would have given her hell. They would have obstructed her, investigated her, and smeared her to the point she would not be able to govern. Now we have all of this right out in the open. We are seeing things more clearly today than we ever have before.

We know how the Russians operate, we know what the Kochs are up to, we have seen the enemy in the GOP led Congress, and we can do something about it. No longer do we have to rely on the accusations going back and forth. They are going to do that, but now it has no weight. Now the media is finally doing their job. If we push back and show up we can stop this Extreme Right take over.

[quote]does anyone else feel like we are being abused by the right wing congress and the president

You can't be abused when you are not willing to be abused. For example on Datalounge you can put right wing trolls on ignore. On TV, you simply don't watch Fox News or on the internet don't go to the FreeRepublic site or Drudge Report or Breitbart.

Let them accuse you of living in a bubble and being high almighty and a damn socialist Liberal, but don't let them bother you, or abuse you.

At this point are their talking points really important to form your opinion about Mueller's investigation? Do you honestly think their arguments will be based on the same valid reasoning you base your opinion regarding this topic? So much so that you might change your mind and opinion altogether?

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R430, you have a very limited and strange definition of abuse. The Repugs are like a boxer in the ring who keeps cheating by hitting you in the nuts and, at this point, we just have to defend as best we can while we wait for the referee (Mueller) to end it once and for all by calling the match and banning the cheater. By your definition, we should just run out of the ring, ignore it, let the cheater win, and then let the cheater go on to hit the next guy in the nuts, too.

Good post r429. I hope when this all comes to light we can finally remove some of the conflicts of interest.

We need to require that all three branches of government elected officials have their investments in blind trusts.

We need tax payer money to fund campaigns to ensure the government is representing the voters and not corporations and special interest groups.

Is R431 our first Martian troll?

[quote]The Repugs are like a boxer in the ring who keeps cheating by hitting you in the nuts and, at this point, we just have to defend as best we can while we wait for the referee (Mueller) to end it once and for all by calling the match and banning the cheater.

Why do YOU feel the need to step into the boxing ring in the first place?

Are you kidding, R435? We shouldn't be fighting the Repugs?

The voting booths in the mid-term elections are not yet placed in boxing rings where one has to fight a Republican in order to gain access to a voting booth and vote. Not yet. Until then I don't think the regular citizen has to listen 24/7 how Republicans claim their opinion and actions are valid and right.

Who said anything about 24/7? Voting, alone, is not enough.

r438, true, but well, my main point is that we can't be constantly on the defense and REACT to what the Republicans are doing. Why can't we do our own thing instead and just have our own rallies?

We are having our own rallies. We've been doing it constantly for over a year. The upcoming gun control rallies are just the latest ones. But, honestly, right now the Repugs run every branch of government and have most of the governorships and statehouses (due to gerrymandering, which is another thing we are actively fighting right now), so we are currently in a position of fighting back, against cheaters without conscience or morality. It's slow going but we're doing pretty well with the weapons we have.

People should definitely take a break if they need it but we have to keep fighting. Continuing to defend yourself against a more powerful opponent is not allowing yourself to be abused. It's called surviving and, while not easy, it must be done.

And Bernie tries a hail mary to get the heat off the Bot scandal, and guess who he blames? . Treacherous old vulture. The deflection and projection is positively Trumpian. They really are two sides of the same coin.

You must not realize what's going on. Have our own rallies????? Shit. Starting with the women's March on Washington on January 21, 2017, we have been marching and rallying and stalking town hall meetings and demonstrating and showing up all over the place. We are flipping seats in special elections and more women are running for office than at any other time in our history. In point of fact, more than 20 Republican members of Congress have so far announced they will not stand for re election this year. We did lot to stop the assault on Obamacare, but of course we were not able to stop the Tax Bill. We haven't given up. The word to embrace is "RELENTLESS" That's who we are now. We are Relentless. We will never accept defeat or acknowledge defeat. We will PERSIST.

Trump's former bodyguard makes $15,000 a month from a GOP 'slush fund'

Within weeks of leaving his job as director of Oval Office operations, Keith Schiller's private security firm, KS Global Group, began collecting $15,000 a month for "security services" from the Republican National Committee.

Gotta buy his silence somehow!

r442, and that all happened without having to fight the Republican Party. It was all done by SUPPORTING the Democratic Party. It's all about pivoting. Not pushing against the Republicans, but supporting the hell out of the Democratic Party.

I’m super excited. I live in Peter Roskam’s district in IL, he’s been an undefeatible Repug for years. But there are NUMEROUS people canvassing, I just received docs from my neighbors outlining all the candidates, underscoring we’ve NEVER had more incredible Democratic candidates to choose from, it is awesome!!! We could literally wipe out all the Repubs here.

And even if we lose, I’ve never been more energized. Citizens are FINALLY understanding that we are going to lose some battles, but we won’t guve up the war. The Repubs are playing the long game? Then our game is even longer. Go Dems, go, go, go!!! Never been prouder. And even all the fuckery on this thread and Others isn’t going to spoil MY party. Keep going people!!! Don’t stop, never give in, never quit, never give up, take back OUR country!!!

Sorry for typos^.

This song was banned! Listen to the lyrics....

The Blue Wave does seem to be building.

Keep going, don't ease up and think you have it in the bag.

Absolutely. Persist. Resist. I think showing the Koch brothers and all the money people and the fucking RUssians we are immune is important. I intend to just vote Democrat. Fuck the GOP. Fuck them up the ass with a machete.

R443 that's...disgusting. And totally believable.

R448, thanks for saying that. I think our biggest enemy is getting cocky. We must NEVER become overconfident, nor can we become lazy and complacent (again). Sometimes posters who say that get attacked (because trolls use that line too), but we cannot get cocky!!! It’s really true. Things look hopeful in some areas, but not all, so each of us stay FOCUSED. We can win, but this is like running a marathon when you see the runners stretching and craning their bodies, heads, chest, neck, to get over the finish line, feeling and hearing their competitors right next to them. It’s like when Michael Phelps won that relay years ago during Olympics, he was a mother fucking stud because of his *focus.” THAT is how hard we have to push, don’t look back until it’s over. I love you all, sure we’re anonymous, but we are kindred spirits. DL is a tool in our arsenal. Keep fighting!!!!!!

Manafort was trying to sell WH jobs.

Kyle Griffin: New sealed charges against Manafort & Gates!!!!!!!!!

r453....just get home ?

All those so-called law firms and "political consultants " do it. It's a quid pro quo world. If I'm Manafort, I will be getting requests from hundreds of people, since I'm the capaig manager or at least very high up in the campaign and close to Trump. Guys like Roger Stone and other people, hell Trump's fcking head of security and his kids, and ex wives are probably guilty of "influence peddling" too. You get someone who has personal value to you, or who would have personal value in a particular job, and that's the guy you promote. If he gets hired you benefit, directly. Depending on how it's handled, it's perfectly legal. I guess Manafort was too crude with his quids and quos.

R455 here. It's kind of like hiring your own personal head hunter and you pay him a commission. Something like that.

A right wing "Christian " posted a meme saying the parents of students in Florida were paid actors. I called her on it and she admitted to hearing that Russians may have been behind memes like that to cause division. I almost fell off my chair. That is a small step forward.

R457 Don't count on it. If the Russians say what they want to hear, they have no problem it's from the Russians. Next they will say the Russians are good allies for their righteous cause.

They already are, r458. I force myself to listen to small doses of talk radio when I'm in the car and the callers always manage to come out with something along the lines of, "Well, all you have to do is look at the people who are claiming that Russia isn't our friend and you'll see that it's always the usual suspects. Why are we expected to believe that Russia is our enemy? What has Putin ever done to us?"

The sheer power of Putin's move here. Turning huge numbers of American voters into Putin supporters. Remember, people think what you tell them to think.

The date of the pee pee girls and the room it which it happened are specific in the dossier.

That is a minor part of the blackmail. Putin appears to be holding something very monumental over Trump. Money laundering is assumed to be it. And it must be quite extensive. Still, one may not want to dismiss even more salacious and sinister stuff, even in the sexual activities domain, going way beyond golden showers.

If Mueller knows the general outline, with some incriminating details, that Putin surely knows, DJT may be f#cked. Mueller's team know the answer is in the trail of the money flow.

He has tons of Russian cash tied up in his business. He's been going back and forth to Russia since the 80's.

...and Trump used to traffic underage girls through Trump Model Mgmt.....it stopped when they nabbed Jeffrey Epstein, one of Trumps bffs.

The Obama Hater in this thread is responsible for so much shit in this thread. Use the Ignore-Dar and see for yourself.

To r455, I grew up in “the Machine” politics of Chicago. For those unfamiliar, the Machine refers to the Democratic system that was run by knowing people with clout, bargaining, trading favors, etc. Back in the day Aldermen in the city would (as an example) deliver groceries regularly to the campaign workers who turned out votes. Totally corrupt, but often effective IF you were white.

This administration is a level of corruption the likes of which we have never seen in the WH. I’m fairly comfortable with people trading favors IF they aren’t blatant about it AND they are serving their constituents properly. The problem with Trump and people like Manafort is that they’re so god damned greedy, they do nothing for the people. Paul Manafort needs that tacky rug ripped from his head, and then he must be tarred and feathered. Dirty, dirty, dirty, they deserve to never punished mercilessly for abusing all of us like this.

Forgot to say, if you’re interested in understanding the Machine, read “Boss” by Mike Royko. That show Spacey did was based on that book I believe, but the name of the show escapes me.

Human males who pursue money and power aren't choir boys. This bunch is ordinary. The exceptions were the many good leaders we've had before.

No, this bunch is not ordinary - unless we've had presidents with Russia's hand up their backs before doing Putin's bidding and refusing to enforce sanctions against Russia overwhelmingly passed by congress.

Ordinary for humans. America is still very new.

His approval rating is back down to 37%. That has to be looked on as very bad news.

R470 Approval rating is little more than talking point when he's protected by GOP Congress. So GOP losing ground should scare him more.

What has not been happening is the story that needs to be told...repeatedly ...about why Russia is not our friend. Russia has American blood on its hands. In the 60's and during the height of the Cold War it was obvious why they were our enemy. Krushchev's "We will bury you!" speech etc. Nuclear weapons in Cuba. But 50 yrs has passed and we need a new narrative. We have been so focused for all these years on the War on Terror, and the Middle East we have not fully appreciated the role Russia plays in that region. Iran is a client and an ally of Russia. Most of the crap going on in the Middle East going back to the 70's and the hostages,etc. Russia's hands are all over it. Same thing with Syria. But we need to really demonize Russia in ways we have not bothered with in decades. Yes. I'm talking about propaganda. Because the Extreme Right is in Russia's thrall. The Russian propaganda machine is working over time and we need to make sure our people get a more "balanced" view.

r364...Rachel is covering Alfa, Trump and the lawyer who pled guilty yesterday. Someone is finally starting to pay attention.

Trump brought notes to his "listening session"... He cannot function like a decent human being without notes written by somebody else.

r457, she's still a right wing deplorable cunt.

r441, Bernie is a despicable piece of shit.

He really is a deplorable in sheep's clothing.

r431 is Dee Plorable and she's speaking in tongues!

#5. I hear you

We're slipping. There's news out there we're overlooking. All the news outlets need to be combed for information so we can speculate in an informed fashion. There's Bloomberg, Politico, Daily Beast, Raw Story, Daily Kos, The Nation, Newsweek, the Washington Post and ShareBlue, to name a few and tons of reporters who are posting stuff and we are not on top of it.

$20 hope hicks wrote that down for him -

So now Trump wants General McMaster out because McMaster dared to publicly acknowledge Russia meddled in our election without (falsely) claiming their meddling absolutely did not effect the outcome.

As Maddow has pointed out again, no Intelligence agency has investigated whether the meddling impacted the outcome. Anyone who says they have is LYING.

I agree R480. I think they had to move mountains to get him to agree to do it. Then they had to assure him the people they picked would behave and be supporters of his for the most part. And even the ones who disagreed would be respectful. I think it was very important to them that he not stray and start ranting about stuff and go off the rails. That's really sad. That he is so unbalanced he needs notes on the basics. It must have been really hard for him to sit there and try to listen and keep his mouth shut. I wonder hwo much rehearsal they had to do.

The Orange Skid-Mark always sits like he is taking a dump - leaning slightly forward trying to loosen that 2 week old stool that has been building up since his last BM. During the prayer he opened his eyes 2 times (or more) to check the room. He looked like a 71 year old toddler not the least bit engaged and showing virtually no emotion. How truly said.

Bernie is a Deplorable.

If he truly wants to show us he's down with the younger generation he needs to do the Tide Pod Challenge.

The Orange Skid-mark always sits like he's taking a DUMP - leaning forward trying to dislodge that 2 week old stool that's been building up since his last BM. He showed absolutely no emotion or engagement with what was going on in that room. And, during the prayer, he opened his eyes 2 times (or more) to check the room. He couldn't even get through a prayer. How truly sad.

Someone mentioned that he actually has "45" embroidered on the cuff of his shirt.

I really have to wonder what it's actually like in that White House to keep him together and focused? How do they deal with someone so undisciplined and self absorbed? Everything they need him to do must be work. The effort to justify why he has to do it, arguing with him, coaching him, explaining basic shit to him, etc. It has to be exhausting.

Ivanka aeems pretty low profile these days. Jared too. Oh, they're still around, but more low key. I know she's going to represent him at the closing ceremony of the Olympics, but otherwise she seems to not excite as much comment as she did a few months ago. Jared too.

Yeah, the "45" cuffs are disturbing on so many levels.

Is it just to brag? "Let me carry my trophy around with me everywhere? Is it for self-validation? "Yes, I really become president!" Or is it because, like a cheat sheet telling him to listen to people at a town hall, he needs a reminder that he's the president?

Regardless, it's in fairly poor taste at the very least. What say you, DL fashion critics?

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is attending the Olympics closing ceremony with Ivanka.

You know the story about dog cruelty and killing by Sarah's brother. She should be in familiar territory around the dog,slaughtering-eating Koreans.

The Olympics should never be held there.

These two couldn't be more alike:

Trump: Why didn't Obama do something about Russian meddling?

Bernie: Why didn't Hillary do something about Russian meddling?

R490 They both are defending Russia not the US.

OK, I'll say it again. Since Russia has done such an effective job of promoting their own interest we are over due for our own campaign to explain to the American People why Russia is our adversary. We literally need a PR campaign to define and condemn and demonize Russia so our own people get it and see how truly evil it was for someone who is our President to be involved in a conspiracy to represent Russian interests. It i reprehensible, but too many people are too far removed from the Cold War and some even find Putin attractive.

And the bernvictims keep insisting that hateful old geezer run again in 2020.

Fuck him. He's nothing but a Russian stooge.

The Cold War was around 50 years or so. Surely the baby boomers remember since the 50s that the Soviet Union (Russia) was the arch-enemy going into the mid-80s. Republicans particularly took a hard line with the USSR as did most Dems. Spying, espionage, and treason were punished bigtime.

Now, right-wingers are denying Russian intrusion or blaming it on Obama and HRC. Then they declare 'Russia is our friend'. Russia has never stopped working against USA interests. Blindly believing Trump is a bizarre phenomenon. Murdoch's Fox News propaganda has worked.

R480, it was reportedly Ivanka.

I thought Javanka were on a crisis-vacation, again.

It was a crisis-actor-vacation r496.

The fact that the NRA is attacking the students and that Fox news is also attacking the students is great. Thi time they overreached. And Who the fuck are these fuckers telling the kids of they walk out of school to protest they'll get suspended or face detention? So what. The First Amendment gives them the right to do that. The ACLU should get an injunction barring the school systems from taking any retaliatory action against those kids. Fuckers.

[quote] And Who the fuck are these fuckers telling the kids of they walk out of school to protest they'll get suspended or face detention?

They've probably been promised money for doing so. Why else would an administrator do this? Offer a compromise solution with an organized and supervised walk out so they can keep everyone safe I could see, but an outright ban on students protesting gun violence in schools makes no sense.

Arrest them for truancy. A few nights in jail will teach them about winners and losers.

Putin has made Russia worse, he longs for the days of the Soviet Union.

R500, please go fuck yourself.

Preferably with an AR-15.

You know, I no longer remember who on this thread is and asshole and who is not an asshole.

[quote]I really have to wonder what it's actually like in that White House to keep him together and focused? How do they deal with someone so undisciplined and self absorbed? Everything they need him to do must be work. The effort to justify why he has to do it, arguing with him, coaching him, explaining basic shit to him, etc. It has to be exhausting.

I hope it's all that and more. I hope it's hell and I hope they dread going into work every morning.

Over the years on DL I've so thoroughly lost track of who's "pretending" to be an asshole and who actually is.

Trolls will do that to you.

[quote]I hope they dread going into work every morning.

And uncomfortable.

Bernie Sanders is a pretty poor excuse for a deplorable. He has liberal positions on everything and has always voted like a liberal.

Nobody said he was a deplorable, darling troll R507. We said he's a bought-and-paid Russian whore. Important difference.

R507 Worse, he works for the deplorables by sabotaging the Dems!

"Russia has never stopped working against USA interests."

Hell, even during WWII when we were in bed with the Russians, we never, ever closed our eyes for fear of what they'd do to us while sleeping. Stalin and his crew were more treacherous than Hitler, everybody knew it and the other Allies behaved accordingly.

[quote] He has liberal positions on everything and has always voted like a liberal.

Sure, which is why he voted against the Brady bill.

There are other bills he's voted against, as well, usually because they weren't "pure" enough for him.

New charges just filed. MSNBC is gonna tell us in a minute.

R513 Treason is coming at the Trumpies fast and furious. They better put on their adult diapers.

the noose is tightening - Trump will probably go on a Twitter rant tonight. Loving it.

I imagine John Kelly crying and begging Trump to put down the device he uses to upload his his Twitter rants.

Is this it? Charges against Manafort and Gates.

Looks like they're going down a la Al Capone.

I wonder if our Dear Leader will follow them down the drain...

Here it is from the BBC.

Also, too: Gates backing out of the negotiated plea deal.

If Gates backs out of the plea, can the Feds use what he told them in the trial?

The judge also rejected Manafort's bail offer. I wonder if that means Manafort will be taken into custody?!

[quote]The Court has determined that in the absence of additional security or assets pledged by a surety, it will not accept as security the Alexandria property that has already been pledged in its entirety as collateral for the loan on the Bridgehampton property,"

If Gates reneged on his plea deal, that could explain why all the new charges against him. Gates backed out, so they threw everything they have at him. I wonder if this is better or worse for Mueller.

As for Manafort, I watched Rachel Maddow's 20-minute segment on Viktor Yanukovych, the dictator he helped install in Ukraine. He deserves to rot away in prison for the rest of his life.

I hope there is some way to connect this to Trump, maybe through business dealings...?

So, who got to Gates to reconsider his arrangement with Mueller?

Promises of pardons?

R523, you might be interested in this long but astonishing article from The Atlantic about Manafort. It's stunning that he was ever allowed near an American political campaign.

R525, that may explain the new charges. I think it's harder politically to justify pardoning people who have been accused of evading taxes on millions of dollars. That's not an abstract crime, that's something most people would not sympathize with.

Nicolle Wallace said everyone knew he was dirty. Everyone who is involved with politics, lobbying etc.. knew.

R527 And this dirty bastard's a friend of Trump, so you can do the math about how dirty Trump is.

Gates is so stupid. Without federal protection he's likely toast.

So, theoretically, they’re being promised pardons by Trump, right? Why else would they be turning down deals? Mueller's got them dead to rights.

R530 If there financial crimes are exposed, can't the states prosecute them so the idiot can't pardon them?

States can also prosecute bank fraud.

Just because there are charges against Gates does not mean he didnt reach a deal......he could have bargained for a light sentence.....or maybe the deal isnt finalized yet.

if he is singing, they probably don't want it in the press just yet

I'd bet a million dollars that Manafort has been told he will get a Presidential Pardon, and he has probably persuaded Gates he'd get one too. Of course the dilemma is that Trump is under investigation too, so he can't pardon them before they are convcted, or he will definitely go down for Obstruction and criminal conspiracy to Obstruct. If he waits to pardon them after they're convcted, all the dirty secrets will be out in the open and Trump will be hiding in the toilet shitting himself.

The other thing to know, and I think Maddow said this a few days ago, is that Manafort and Trump were friendly through Roger Stone, of course Manafort has a condo in trump Tower, and Manafort and Trump were talking both before and AFTER he was hired and fired. Rachel even claims she has a copy , and she showed it last night, of the "pitch" proposal Manafort gave to the Trump campaign as part of his effort to get hired.

The key point in his proposal being he would gladly do it for free. She did an excellent job of outlining the financial difficulties he was having, as evidenced in the new indictment, and from a timeline point of view, this was happening at the same time he was telling people he "had to get with the Trump campaign." So, IMO, I bet he knew Trump had an arrangement with the Russians and wanted to be part of it.

I will further speculate that if Manafort had been sent by the Russians to help Trump he would not have needed to go through submitting a proposal. The Russians were dealing with Trump's son & his son-in-law, and they were dealing with their own sketchy friends in Russia as evidenced by the evolution of the June meeting about "dirt on Hillary." They were all amateurs and they were dealing with a lot of fringe players and a few oligarchs who didn't understand the American political system. Manafort did. He was a pro.

He probably wanted in before someone else plucked the apple from the poisoned tree.There are also some claims that Pence is very close to some Russian Orthodox religious communities and has ties to that group in Russia, as well as our evangelicals, and he is also a mascot of the Kochs and that's why he got VP from Manafort. Bottom line is by claiming to deliver Trump into Putin's hands, which he did, he would get access and be in the good graces of the Oligarchs who are close to Putin and his financial woes would disappear.

What puzzles me is that Manafort really does understand our government and our political system. How in the world did he ever thing this would not catch up to him! How did he ever believe he could clean this up. He & Gates were living large having a good time until their Ukraine money ran out. They had this money hidden in secret bank accounts. (How obvious!) Then he got desperate and he was falsifying loan documents and messing up lying to the banks committing fraud right and left. Looks like Gates was just his assistant. These are not stupid people. But they were desperate and very reckless.

The article in the Atlantic about Manafort is excellent.

[quote] I'd bet a million dollars that Manafort has been told he will get a Presidential Pardon, and he has probably persuaded Gates he'd get one too. Of course the dilemma is that Trump is under investigation too, so he can't pardon them before they are convicted, or he will definitely go down for Obstruction and criminal conspiracy to Obstruct.

If he attempts to pardon his co-conspirators, we will test the limits of the presidential pardon power. I cannot believe that the Founders ever intended that the executive power to grant pardons would be extended to include pardons by the president that would avoid the consequences of his own criminal behavior. Talk about a constitutional crisis.

^Who's going to stop him. Repubs aren't going to.

As I watch this unfold, knowing what we know now, it's obvious the NRA is an agent of the Russia government, and that a whole lot of members of Congress and so called "lobbyists" have been compromised in the same way the Russians infiltrated advocacy groups and interests groups to disrupt and cause chaos. Pundits on TV keep saying that Trump "can't" fire Mueller or Rosenstein because he'd get impeached. And I ask, by who? Who is going to initiate impeachment? Not Paul Ryan and his gang. McCarthy, Nunes, etc. That won't happen. And Ryan knows the parliamentary procedures and rules governing the House to block anything from ever coming up.

ABC is reporting that Gates is still expecting to plead guilty and make a deal.

I do not believe for a second that Manafort and Gates trust Trump to pardon them. There is something much more sinister going on like people (or pets) close to Manafort and / or Gates being more than just threatened.

Why don't you believe that Manfort and Gates wouldn't trust Dump? The all seem stupid enough to.

Manafort is far from stupid. He's a sociopath and an opportunist. They can read people (figure out people's strenghts and weaknesses in order to manipulate them). He knows when push comes to shove Trump will not save anyone but himself like Manafort would do. And they have one thing in common: They do, or did, business with Putin and Putin doesn't like to lose. They know that Mueller, and this investigation, are the least of their problems (which is that the investigation draws attention to what they are doing for Putin and prevents them to keep doing Putin's bidding).

[quote]Manafort is far from stupid. He's a sociopath and an opportunist.

One does not preclude the other.

Manafort may be stupid to think he'd never get caught, but I don't think, after Trump's record of firing and throwing people under the bus and being investigated himself, he trusts Trump to be of any help to save his own skin.

he trusts Trump to be of any help to save HIM (as in saving Manafort).

I hope Sanders is taken to task for Tad Devine (“Paid for by Putin, not Millionaires* and Billionaires”) * Bernie, furiously scribbling rape essays from my third lakehouse

R547 But it will a different type of rape essays...

R548 ... If he ends up in jail.

Troll's on duty, I see. Stop using Bernie to try derail this thread about Mueller's investigation of Trump and his cohorts, because this isn't about Bernie.

Trump will throw anyone under the bus to save himself and some of his family members. Trump could still pursue pardoning, even if Manafort accepted a plea deal; but if any of it implicates Trump, no pardoning for Manafort.

Manafort getting a pardon for money laundering and text evasion won't go over well, even with much of Trump's base. Depending on timing, it could be a devastating move for Trump on this matter alone. Pardoning Flynn would look bad as well, but he has already cooperated to some level, and his finanical crimes are not near as extreme as Manafort.

R550 Thanks for you input, Bernie Troll.

1tax evasion; not text

OP - I think this is the quickest we've gone thru a Treason thread in awhile. You better hurry and set up Part 14.

^Still have a ways yet, but I have it ready.

The Hoarse Whisperer thinks the filing of the new charges is Mueller retaliating for Gates waffling on the plead deal.

^Just makes you wonder how much more he has and what else he's saving.

R557 Seeing as how many charges he used at once just to scare one guy (who's not even the big fish he's after), Mueller is sitting on a mountain of dirt.

Given how Bernie Sanders is now dragged into all this, may I suggest the the next thread title be "For every treason, Bern, Bern, Bern..."

Good title, R559 but you're likely to send the Bern Bot in to fits!

Bernie hasn't been "dragged into this, " he was mentioned and is a fringe player at best. He is very very peripheral to this. Unless it can be proven otherwise. So I would rather not see the new thread title have any reference to him. Hell, Jill Stein may be more important in the scheme of things than he was. The only importance is Tad Devine because he was a former partner of Manafort's. For all we know Devine may be a cooperating witness in the Manafort debacle in terms of crimes related to Manafort's time in the Ukraine. After all, Devine was with him on that one.

R561 Bernie is not "peripheral". He was right smack in the middle, hacking away at the Dem Party from within.

Please let's not make the Mueller investigation into Trump's collusion with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election be about Bernie. it isn't. If you list all the people who had some kind of role or who benefited etc. he's not even in the top 20.

r563.....his bank account begs to differ.

I'm still eager to find out about the mysterious transfer of 19% of Rosneft after the election. Was it payment to Trump in exchange for lifting sanctions? Is Tillerson somehow involved? I'd guess yes. I really hope Mueller has information on that. I'm sure it's epic.

Great title R559, but maybe a little premature for the next thread. It is interesting that Bernie's people released a statement saying something like it was outrageous that Hillary had to run against Trump and Russia, but they conveniently omitted that in the primaries Hillary had to run against Bernie and Russia. Also, outrageous, imo. The fact that Hillary still received millions of votes more than Bernie and Trump, even with all the ratfucking involved in the election, is the thing that makes me think we'll prevail. Yes, there are too many idiots, racists, bigots, etc., but there are more of us, than there are of them.

R563 Someone is desperate to protect the old douche for 2020. It ain't working. You're also perpetuating Bernie on this thread by saying "NO BERNIE/RUSSIA COLLUSION." Ah, denial.... How's that working out for the Trumpies?

Was Putin's plan to:

A) Just fuck with our election Process?

B) Do anything to insure that Hillary Clinton lost?

C) Specifically make Trump our POTUS?

The answer: All of the Above! He had at least 3 different games going at once. And he hit the fucking jackpot!!!

Is there a statute of limitations on things like bank fraud? Is it possible the states won't be able to indict these guys on crimes they committed because the statute of limitations may expire before the federal investigation is over? I want them found guilty of all of their crimes.

[quote]Is there a statute of limitations on things like bank fraud?

That's what hitmen are for.

R567 And there was nothing "unwitting" about the collusion from the American side. All the candidates who were not Clinton were co-opted into the Russian operation.

Using the word unwitting feels almost like a trap for the (co-)conspiritors to come forward and act outraged about being labeled as stupid and easy to manipulate.

I think he wanted to weaken Hillary. A major hit on her power. I don't think he thought Trump had a chance.

[quote]Is there a statute of limitations on things like bank fraud?

Worried, Jane?

R572 Putin has plan A and plan B to deal with either outcome. But to think the Russians didn't pull out all the dirty tricks to win or doesn't want to neutralize Hillary permanently is just nonsense.

So basically the only people in the election that didn't get help from the Russians were Hillary and... Johnson.

Putin: Who's Johnson? Did we miss one? No matter, we won.

Def wanted to neutralize Hillary. She fucked with his elections in 2011. He hit back. He was not gonna be her bitch.

R566, LOL! No. I can't stand Bernie. I'm definitely not trying to protect the old gasbag for 2020. Ugh. And I didn't say there was no collusion per se. Look. I'm sure we could start a thread alllll about Bernie and the Russians. OK? But I just prefer to keep the focus on Trump, and his sleazy cast of characters. And I still maintain that as much as Bernie would love to be art of this narrative in a martyr like posture, I 'm at the point that I resent even seeing his name as part of any political discussions. I truly cannot stand the man. You can count on that as you can count on the sun rising in the East. Capish?

R570 "And there was nothing "unwitting" about the collusion from the American side. All the candidates who were not Clinton were co-opted into the Russian operation."

I'm not certain about that. In the sense that, I don't think Trump was aware to the degree he was being used by Putin. I write this because I truly believe Trump, Manafort, Flynn, etc... were all certain Hillary would win/Trump would lose. It's why they were all so sloppy. They never considered Trump would actually win and thus their crimes would be investigated, (of if Trump did win, he' be sure to do a good job covering the crimes up).

Ivanka is South Korea for the closing of the Olympics. Will she seek political asylum?

Does Ivanka have security clearance?

R579 is on the right track. He was a magnet for schemers. Nobody thought he would win. Quick easy way to rise up and make some deals.

Also it is spelled "capisce." Bernie troll keeps misspelling. Must be from Russia.

R577 Yes, Putin is up for election this year, so by installing a Russian stooge in the WH, he pre-emptively aborted any American operation to help the opposition movements in Russia to organize or to tarnish his image.

He was pursuing his interests. Just had to run a few FB ads. American gullible. Very vulnerable to lies.

Evening borscht and vodka done. Evening shift starts.

R584 It's psychological warfare. Social media has left an open border that allows foreign interference with zero consequences. Ironically, the only country that has installed any safeguards against it is China with their great firewall, home-grown social media companies, and the power of censorship.

[quote]He was pursuing his interests. Just had to run a few FB ads. American gullible. Very vulnerable to lies.

[bold]USE YOUR ARTICLES, BORIS.[/bold] "The American was gullible."

Rick Gates to plead guilty. Mueller has entered a plea deal. So that on-again, off-again plea deal looks like it finally happened.

Link to new thread when this one fills up.

tI never believed that the deal was off because there was never a link or a source for that claim. You would think that after 2 years of nonstop propaganda, people would be a tad skeptical.

R588 One down... How many to go?

[quote]Using the word unwitting feels almost like a trap for the (co-)conspiritors to come forward and act outraged about being labeled as stupid and easy to manipulate.

Not to mention the biggest useful idiot in history, who is so insistent about being 'pretty smart', knowing more than his generals, and being 'a stable genius.'

He'd more likely admit to being deeply corrupt - but a winner! - than deeply stupid, when of course he's established forever in each category.

Donnie, Jill, and Bernie: Putin’s Angels

Collusion!

Ha indeed R592!

WTG Mueller!

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