watching Versace: episode 4

Boy a struggling architect could not afford a loft like that in Minneapolis in 2018.

I feel guilty I find Darren Criss so sexy.

This has really been a great series these last two episodes. The performances by Mike Farrell, Judith light, and now this guy who played David Madson are so phenomenal. The loneliness of these people when threatened with death or faced with the consequences of Andrew cunanan's killings is phenomenal--the show becomes almost existential in how it shows how people deal with this psycho killer in their midst.

I think I better understand the choices made by the director/producer/whomever in telling the story in a non-chronological manner now.

If they had shown Cunanan killing Trail and Madsen in the beginning, the viewer would have zero empathy or even pity for him. They were such great guys and so undeserving of their fate. I really do hate Andrew now.

At least Versace got to live 50+ glamorous years. The 2 young men were just starting their real lives,

I always had thought Trail and Madson were lovers--I did not know they were just friends.

Australian actor Cody Fern (David Madson) has an Andrew McCarthy thing going on.

[quote]Boy a struggling architect could not afford a loft like that in Minneapolis in 2018.

You couldn't back then either. Architects make jack shit. Lowest paid profession with a college degree. Long hours = low pay. Responsibilities like a doctor or lawyer but cash flow like street hustler turning tricks.

So you had to start a new thread?

[quote]I feel guilty I find Darren Criss so sexy.

I mean...why? It’s not untrue.

Darren Criss is really amazing in the role, I think. I find him at turns creepy, chilling, and dead-eyed scary. I've met so many garden-variety gay sociopaths/pathological liars like him over the years in West Hollywood. They were actually more common in the 90s. These guys would lie as soon as they opened their mouths about where they were from and how they grew up. You'd catch on immediately because dates and timelines wouldn't add up. The longer I was in LA, the easier it was for me to spot and avoid them. They all had this weird self satisfied confidence, and I think Criss NAILS that aspect of it. These guys sort of WERE bad actors in and of themselves, so maybe that's what people are seeing.

I think where the first three took us into the world of wealth and privilege that Cunanan felt locked out of, episode four was just stark, and sad. The brutal, quick slaying of Jeffrey Trail was so pointless and horrific- it made me depressed. The shocked, numb reaction of David Madson, and his subsequent trip though hell with Cunanan was brilliantly played by Cody Fern, and directed by Daniel Minahan.

As I said above, to me, this is even better than the OJ series. I think it tells the story in a more real way. OJ was great, and fun at times and campy. But Versace to me is basically an eight-hour long feature film. A character study of a highly disturbed individual who brought much misery and suffering into this world.

Well said R10. And I know exactly what you are talking about West Hollywood guys. Gays in other parts of LA are not at all like WeHo boys. They seem to have some sort of inflated ego, shallowness, going on while also living a lie of wealth and success as (you guessed it) a model or Hollywood actor. Never met a single one who grew up there, they all flock there from out of state like flys to a shit pile.

They think no one can tell they are full of shit, but truth is, everyone can tell. If you live or work near there its basically like Trump, the oddity is so frequent it's been normalized as just part of the personality traits of the area. Fun part is they go to any other part of the city like Silver Lake or Long Beach, they stick out like the circus side show just came into town...and its evil clowns too.

So was Cunanan actually hooking all those years or was it a last ditch attempt to make money? Also, wasn't he on Roids back then but still kind of skinny fat because he was too lazy to actually work out? Could the roid rage have played into his sickness?

You have some "empathy or even pity for" Cunanan, r4??

He was a PSYCHOPATH, FCS. Who has empathy or pity for a Bundy (well, his judge at sentencing notoriously did), a Dahmer, a Tex Watson?

I think the second episode should have begun at the beginning, showing how his life led to the "assassination of Gianni Versace" and inevitable suicide.

wish madsen could take over criss' part, better actor.

R14, How silly.

Im having trouble also with the guy who plays Cunaanan .

so many talented young actors available

hell, even evan peters

This episode was frustrating to watch. There were so many opportunities for David to surprise attack Cunanan and escape, but he was so compliant and went along with him. I guess that's why they showed those flashback scenes with young David duckhunting with his father. He was such a sweet, passive soul, he couldn't stand hurting an animal. But, my god, you just witnessed this guy brutally kill your friend, and you just shrink back in horror and acquiesce. Run, man, run!

Christ, that was an absolute bore. How the hell is he gonna drag this out for 5 more episodes?

The implication is that Cunanan exploited David’s feelings of gay shame to convince him that he would be implicated in the murder. I think it must have all felt unreal to him and also that his life was over now anyway.

Loved this episode. So creepy and sad at the same time. And it’s thematically setting up the remainder of the season — this isn’t actually a show about a scandalous murder in the glitzy fashion world. It’s really about how gays were treated in the 90s (and even today) and the impact that had on these people’s lives. (So far, Miglin, Madson, D’Amico, Versace, and of course Cunanan himself.)

I think it's great that if there's a story to tell the producers have the freedom to extend the episode to 90 minutes instead of squeezing it into a one hour timeslot. Last nights episode really got to me and I couldn't sleep afterwards. And did anyone notice Bette Midler's offspring as David's co-worker? Next week we get to see more of Finn Wittrock. Hopefully, lots more.

R17 most people when confronted with violence don't know how to react and will act like David did.

A friend is a former boxer is and currently a boxing coach. He said before he starts training anyone he has to first teach them how to actually hit another person, because for most people the idea of hitting another person is so foreign they can't bring themselves to do it.

On the other hand when he meets someone who immediately starts throwing punches he drops them and refuses to work with them because he knows they have a violent streak and will never be good boxers and are most likely just learning how to fight so they can hurt people more efficiently.

Everyone is always so heroic and "I would do this!", from the the safety of their keyboard.

The reality is none of us know what we would do in David Madson's position. The shock of all of a sudden being in this situation where your ex-boyfriend just murder you guys friend in your apartment and might murder you is outside of the realm of our normal lives.

[quote]I always had thought Trail and Madson were lovers--I did not know they were just friends.

Madson was a lover of Andrew's, Jeff never was.

[r24] so why did AC kill Jeff? Who called him to come over? AC or David? Sorry it’s confusing

The show will get into their version of why Andrew killed Jeff next episode r25.

They've dropped hints this episode. David tells Andrew how it was obvious Andrew was into Jeff even though Jeff never was sexually interested in Andrew. And also that Jeff started seeing through Andrew's bullshit and calling him out on it.

Yesterday's episode was just so disturbing to me. I laid awake at night just mulling it over in my head.

I read up on what really happened-- no one knows so the writer stitched this together. Yet, it's so obvious that these two young guys were slaughtered so senselessly and violently by a completely nuts Cunanan (I had no idea Criss is also partially Filipino like Cunanan was).

I assume, in the next few episodes, it'll show what triggers the entire series of Cunanan murders.

R21 they extended it to 90 minutes so they can add more commercials

Since both parties were dead before they could tell their story, and there were no witnesses, was about 90% of the last episode fiction?

Of course r29. No one knows what transpired or was said between David and Andrew.

We know when Jeff was killed. We know they were seen walking the dog. When they when they fled the apartment and when the cops came. We know they were seen at that bar. We know where David was killed.

Everything else you have to fill in the blanks on how you think it would have happened.

Beyond the two victims, I felt sad for the dog. I hope in the real situation, he ended up with a caring new owner and home.

R30 is it true that the bathroom window in the bar was smashed open?

Vanity Fair has a series of good articles about this show and comparing it to what happened. There's also a good podcast about it called Still Watching

[quote]Darren Criss is really amazing in the role, I think. I find him at turns creepy, chilling, and dead-eyed scary.

What we haven't yet found in him is any reason why anyone would have chosen to date or be friends with him. I hope that's to come.

Is there any reason to believe that David was actually present when Jeff was killed?

Unknown if David was there or not r35.

The writer of the episode explained it made sense to him that David was there and had to deal with the shock of seeing Andrew murder Jeff.

Maureen liked to think he wasn't there, but no one knows. She wasn't able to figure it out.

They know he helped Cunanan move the body in the rug, because they found his fingerprints in a grasping position on the rolled up rug. Beyond that, no one knows. That's what's so creepy about the deaths. Madson may have had SOME kind of legal complicity since he did not report the death and helped move the body, but everyone who knew him said he was a very gentle man and a peacemaker and it was unthinkable he would have actually helped murder Trail. Meanwhile, Cunanan was at the absolute end of his rope, with two maxxed out credit cards, and then he went on to kill Madson, Miglin, the caretaker guy, and Versace, and had a history of violent actions. So most FBI investigators have assumed that Madson was either there or came upon the aftermath of Trail's murder and felt helpless and complicit, and went along with Cunanan because he was afraid to make a break. After the murder they were seen in the elevator, with Madson distressed and Cunanan expressionless; they were also seen walking the dog; there were whispers heard behind the door when the woman from the architect's firm came to see why Madson had disappeared; and then they were seen again in the diner in rural Minnesota a few days later. No one saw them otherwise until they found Madson's body by the lake.

I think in the next few episodes we'll see more of the attractive Cunanan, with his fun-loving and boisterous side, his intelligence and sophistication, and his creepy studiousness of likely sugar daddies so he could get them to take him up. We might also finally get to see what Gamma Mu is and how he met Lee Miglin, David Madson, and Jeff Trail, as well as his other sugardaddies.

Another thing about the Cunanan-Madson dynamic: I was reading things online last night about Madson and Cunanan told his friends he was in love with him because he was an absolute submissive who would let him do whatever he wanted to him, including Cunanan's favorite thing (which we've seen now twice) of covering up his partner's entire face except for the nostrils to breathe. So if hew as such a submissive in bed, that might help explain why he would have been even more terrified when his lover turned violent.

Cunanan could apparently be the life of the party in his rentboy days, and really drew men to him for that as much as for his looks (although many men also found him over the top).

Cunanan & Traill were best friends for awhile. I thought they’d had sex a few times, even though the relationship wasn’t mostly sexual. He and David Madsen were definitely lovers, though. As noted above, they were into BDSM. He felt (correctly) that he was losing both of them when he desperately needed them and he suspected they had gotten together. He may have actually believed at first that he could still have David after he killed Jeff.

How much interaction could Cunanan and these guys have had since they lived in Minneapolis and Cunanan in San Diego?

The Fourth Episode of 'The Assassination of Gianni Versace' Isn't as Legit as It Seems

Cunanan seemed to have this thing about embarrassing his victims but putting out gay paraphernalia so others will see it.

In the previous episode, he put gay mags around Miglin's body. In this episode, he took out porn and leather chaps from David's drawer and spread it out on the bed.

R43 we don't know much of what happened but the writer did make this all seem very plausible.

I watched the first episode and was so horrified by the ugly sensationalism of it all that I deleted the series from my DVR. Are you guys telling me it gets a lot better?

It could use a lot of editing. Same problem as "Feud". They have to make what is essentially a 3 parter into a 9 episode event.

R42 They all lived in California before the two guys moved to Minneapolis shortly before being murdered

I don't get you guys. You think that Nate Berkus is not attractive, but you think Darren Criss is?

I don't see it at all.

R49 Darren can fucking get it. That other guy is just okay.

I agree. [R50]

They left one big question unanswered: Did Ted Baxter report on the murders on WJM?

[quote] I watched the first episode and was so horrified by the ugly sensationalism of it all that I deleted the series from my DVR.

Mary! That'll show Ryan Murphy!

Why did it start with that weird travelogue clip about Minneapolis being named after water and being famous for its lakes? Was there some symbolism I missed, other than it ended up at a lake (though not one in Minneapolis)? Did they think we did not know that Minneapolis is a big city and we had never heard of it before?

Did madson live in California, as is claimed above/ I thought he lived in Minnesota his whole life and just met Cunanan in SF when he was visiting.

I know Trail lived in Cailfornia and met Cunanan there, but then coincidentally moved to Minneapolis where Cunana's boyfriend Madson was, and Trail and Madson became friends.

The real Madson was 33 and looked it; the actor playing him looked at least 10 years younger.

R55 I thought Madson lived in SF for a bit.

I am glad to have seen Criss in Hedwig so yr's not just Murphy projects.

An interesting interview of the actor who played David appears at tracking-board.com.

Cody Fern, who played David, won Australia's Heath Ledger Scholarship in 2014.

[quote] Q: Tell me about the audition process for American Crime Story and how Ryan Murphy discovered you for this role.

[quote] Fern: That’s an interesting one as well. I was in London at the time, because I’m developing a feature film. I was working with my producers Nancy Grant and Xavier Dolan, and I’d kind of been a little exasperated in LA because I was pursuing very detailed and character-driven stories that were particularly high-end, and I kind of refused as an actor to pursue anything that was kind of boy next door or one-dimensional. I’d been in theater before so I had the opportunity to explore intense stories and characters, and a range of different roles. And when I initially moved to Los Angeles, I was kind of exasperated by the stories being told. I going in for a lot of 16-year-olds. So with this audition, when American Crime Story came through, I kind of took it as an opportunity for a last hurrah before I went off and directed my feature film. It was a strange time because I was kind of mourning the acting that I wasn’t able to do at the same time as investing my creativity into writing and directing and acting in my own feature.

[quote] Q: What has been the biggest pinch-me moment of your career so far?

[quote] Fern: Ever since moving to LA, it’s been like that. I’ve gotten to work with extraordinary people. But I think for sure the biggest pinch-me moment was working with Ryan Murphy. Much is said about Ryan Murphy as a genius and not enough is said about how kind and generous he is, both as a creative and as a human being. The day I found out that I got this I was screaming. I was on the phone with my agent and managers and we were just going wild. I’ve followed Ryan’s work for so long and I’ve loved his work for so long. And I said when I moved to LA, I was hesitant about doing TV at that time because I didn’t want to be locked into a long contract, and so I said if I’m going to do TV, I want to work with Ryan Murphy, and so for that to come true… they say, never meet your idols because they’ll destroy your idea of them, but that’s not true with Ryan. He’s so kind and he’s so generous and he’s so giving and he’s so bloody brilliant, you know. It really, truly has been the biggest pinch-me moment to be involved in his world and his universe, the Ryan Murphy multiverse, is breathtaking. I’m still in shock.

Here's what I didn't understand: if David Madson was an architect (and thus a design expert), why was his loft so ugly? There was nothing on the walls, and the furniture was as functional and stripped-down as possible. It didn't seem like a minimalist design aesthetic (where everything is made to look stripped down but pretty)--is this just some sort of aesthetic I don't understand? It probably helped the episode because it made his loft seem even more depressing, but I kept wondering why he would want to live somewhere like that since he didn't seem to need all that space.

R60 I think he may have moved in there recently.

R31 Agree about the dog. I was relieved when the custodian said she took the dog down to her apartment. I'm sure she found him a good home. Funny, I cared more about the dog than I did about the two guys who were murdered. Maybe because the dog is innocent and those two knuckleheads should have realized at some point that they were dealing with a lunatic and gotten him out of their lives.

An article written right before Versace’s murder while Andrew was on the run.

The title of the episode, "The House by the Lake,"made me think it was going to refer to more about Cunanan's fantasy for the wealthy life. In Minnesota, having a house by the lake for the summer is a big status sign (it's not so hard since there are so many lakes in Minnesota). But that didn't really make it through in the episode.

Criss was really cute in 'Girl Most Likely'

Why they have to make up so much of this crime?

^^^ Maybe because all those present for the crimes ended up dead (and they didn’t leave notes for us.)

And the police were somewhat disinterested in the details about the murders of a couple of gays by another gay.

One wonders if drugs were also involved among the trio, of which two are killed. It hasn't been suggested, and the two killed appeared as responsible, career-oriented types. Cunanan probably had a serious cocaine habit.

[quote]The real Madson was 33 and looked it; the actor playing him looked at least 10 years younger.

Yeah, he looked early 20s, instead of 30s professional.

[quote]I thought Madson lived in SF for a bit.

No, David didn't live in California though he traveled there a lot. Andrew and David never actually lived in the same city together. Though that wasn't unusual for David, he had a few long-distance boyfriends in his life.

R70 They actor playing David is 29, I think. Just looks younger. So Andrew and David would just meet up in a city when they were dating?

They met up in California and Minnesota and called and wrote to each other between visits. Andrew was thinking of moving to Minnesota to be with David, especially after Jeff ended up there too. He thought they could rescue him from the financial crisis he was in as well as provide friendship. Neither of them were happy to see him though because they were over him by then. That’s what tripped Andrew’s rage.

I've been reading Maureen Orth's "Vulgar Favors," and it's interesting how much Ryan Murphy has altered David Madson in the series from what he was like in real life by casting Cody Fern, who did a fantastic job in the episode, but was not very much like the real Madson.

Cody Fern looks like he's in his early 20s, several years younger than he really is, and had a fit body but was not especially muscular. The real David Madson looked 33, and he was a bodybuilder in his final years: the police assumed when they discovered Jeff Trail's body in his apartment that there was a love triangle among Madson, Trail, and Cunanan, and that madson, fueled by roid rage, killed Trail as a result.

Also, he played Madson as very much a naif, and though Madson was indeed very tender-hearted (the story about him becoming so upset when his father killed a duck was true), he was actually a fairly manipulative guy. He had three different boyfriends who did not about the others in different states when he was killed, and he was also part of Minneapolis's leather scene, according to Orth. And he did really enable Cunanan's spending on him, and would gladly accept expensive gifts from him knowing that Cunanan was very much in love with him, but then would refuse to reciprocate by giving Cunanan the rough sex he craved.

David Madson did not in any way deserve to be murdered, and no one seems to think he had anything directly to do with Trail's death. But he was not the wide-eyed naif that Fern played and Murphy wrote.

[quote]But he was not the wide-eyed naif that Fern played and Murphy wrote.

Murphy didn't write.

Showrunners often re-write a large portion of the scripts, even when they're uncredited. (I learned this with friends who have worked on True Blood, Queer as Folk, and The Killing.) Also, it's the showrunners vision you see on the screen--not the writer of the individual episode.

One other thing the show is getting really wrong according to the orth book 9on which it is supposedly based) is, that just as it made David madson look LESS hot than he was in real life, the show makes Cunanan look much hotter than he was at the time of the murders. One of the reasons he got away for so long was that he looked nothing like he did in the photos being circulated of him--he had ditched the glasses, had shaved his head, and had gained quite a lot of weight. People said the photos being circulated of him made him look cute like Darren Criss (or in his famous hs yearbook photo, linked) but in reality by the time of the murders he had put on 40 lbs and looked squat and ugly.

Listening to the podcast Still Watching, I learned that the loft was undergoing some sort of construction so really was pretty bare at the time.

Also learned why the detective said "we have to go get a search warrant before we do anything further in the apartment," losing many vital hours that Andrew and David drove farther away.

Supposedly the OJ case has spooked many police departments so they started doing everything exactly by the book so their evidence wouldn't get thrown out of court

David Madson was also going through some emotional turmoil. He had to go to court because he had a stalker who was obsessed with him. Interestingly enough Andrew always had his picture in his fridge, even after they grew apart.

[quote]They broke up in the spring of 1996, but Andrew kept David's picture taped to his refrigerator door. When his life began to crumble as a result of constant deception and drug use, Andrew became fixated on the idea that David was his only love.

[quote] Andrew wasn't David's only unstable lover, either: a previous ex had become a stalker, calling David as much as 120 times a day and eventually being jailed for violating a court order to stay away

[quote]Madson was a "peacemaker," Orth wrote, a man who loathed violence and avoided confrontation. He frequently talked his way out of things.

[quote]More than likely though, Andrew simply kept David paralyzed with fear. Experts in the book said that Andrew could've easily convinced David that he'd be a suspect if he went to police,

Cody Fern dodged a bullet since he was cast to play Kevin Spacey's love interest in House of Cards. Boy, he came close to being another traumatized sexually harassed twink.

Fern pings in real life.

This episode and last were little stand-alone gems because they showcased not Cunanan but the acting skills of two phenomenal performers, Judith Light and Cody Fern.

The biggest problem this show is having is that Cunanan is not compelling enough of a character to carry through the show. He's such an enigma so far. I think the other episodes will reveal more about him, but psychopaths are often such blanks--part of their rage is because their personality is all built on lies.

R73, I'm operating under the assumption that either they wanted someone who looked more innocent to simplify the homophobia angle, or that RM like many other older gays likes cute, innocent looking twinks.

They probably chose an innocent looking twink because they wanted to highlight David's personality, which according to accounts was on the subordinate/fragile side. He hated any type of confrontation and would often use his oral skills to get out of an uncomfortable situation.

The opening scene did show David wearing athletic clothing, so he was not made to look entirely like a wimp.

The ending scene though... that Cody guy is a really good actor.

[quote]They probably chose an innocent looking twink because they wanted to highlight David's personality, which according to accounts was on the subordinate/fragile side.

"fragile," no. Not according to Orth's book. And he was not that subordinate--he was pretty much a self-made go-getter.

[quote]He hated any type of confrontation and would often use his oral skills to get out of an uncomfortable situation.

This is true. But I would not call that "fragile."

I don't know if Darren is a fantastic actor or a mediocre one (i haven't seen Glee), but i find his vacant, ruthless impersonation of Cunanan absolutely terrifying : he's like a killer robot. The fact that he acts all goofy and smiley on Instagram and interviews makes him actually even more scary to me. I feel like this role could actually ruin his future career. This episode was very unnerving, and the final scenes at the lake were heartbreaking.

Criss went from Glee to Spree!!

Or: the most famous (well, the only) Filipino-American heart throb is playing the most famous Filipino-American criminal who ever lived.

[quote]Not according to Orth's book. And he was not that subordinate--he was pretty much a self-made go-getter.

Both the book and the Variety Articles highlight that he was emotionally fragile and that translated into his demeanor. That he was a whore doesn't mean squat.

Uh R87 self made go getter doesn't mean slut.

So do you think that this "movie" could end up being his "Star 80?"

[quote]Both the book and the Variety Articles highlight that he was emotionally fragile and that translated into his demeanor.

I just finished the Orth book myself, and saw nothing about him being emotionally fragile--just conflict-averse and kind. He was, as was said above, a go-getter--and no that does not mean being a whore (!) ; that means being professionally dynamic and successful.

Your inability to parse the above post correctly makes me think you were also unable to parse the Orth book and the VF articles correctly.

[quote]the most famous (well, the only) Filipino-American heart throb

Shut up, shut up, shut up!

See? Told you Fern pings and now leaves in Los Angeles. Mmmmmmmmm

Those pants are fugly!

I like to think Cody has a big, talented dick under those ugly pants.

If this show I accurate at all, I find it impossible to think that anyone would find Andrew C. to be charming or good company in any respect. It wouldn’t take me 15 minutes to realize that he was more trouble than he would be worth and possibly as crazy and dangerous as he was.

I’m having trouble following the way they are bouncing back and forth in time.

I’m pretty sure I met Andrew when he was on the run, in a bar in Boston.

cant get into Criss's performance skills

jus not there

the bouncing timeline is a big prob with many viewers

bit megomaniacal for the creator to add this level of confusion to an already complex piece

unnecessary

The timeline isn’t that complicated. It’s one of the more interesting parts of the series.

I am having trouble figuring where in the timeline the detective is. I’m starting to catch on, but I was wondering if they were bouncing around with the detective and apparently they are not.

The timeline is easy enough to understand. I just don’t think it’s dramatically effective.

Would often use his oral skills to get out of confrontation. Sounds like a whore to me!

I like the show but agree that the reversed order of events is confusing at times.

Darren Criss is fine in the role. The portrayal is a little simple but he's okay.

And whoever chose that hairdo for Cody Fern in the episode should be arrested and thrown in jail. No arraignment, no bail, no jury.

After he killed the two people in his life that he cared about, Andrew had nothing to lose, no hope for a future.

[quote]the most famous (well, the only) Filipino-American heart throb

Only???

I know some of the film may be theorized, but in the opening scenes, Jeff tells David in the elevator that Andrew stole Jeff's gun, on the way up to see Andrew in David's apartment. If I knew that Andrew had a pistol, I would scram!

Well it was too late. David already had the key in the door and his dog was inside. The murder scene was just too brutal, very American Psycho.

[quote]I know some of the film may be theorized

"Some?" More like 90%.

R18 goes to movies about cartoon characters.

R96, what bar in Boston?

r110 Cheers.

[quote] If I knew that Andrew had a pistol, I would scram!

Why? Up until that moment he had never shot or killed or even seriously hurt anyone.

He did steal Jeff’s gun and Jeff had taught him how to use it.

Yeah the hypothesis was that Jeff noticed his gun was gun and went to confront Andrew about it which led to his death.

The weird twists of life. Jeff never could have imagined when he bought that gun it would one day be used to kill Gianni Versace.

the most famous (well, the only) Filipino-American heart throb

What about Bruno Mars? Isn’t he Filipino too?

I don't like the way they are playing the timeline. First they show Versace's murder, then Miglin's, then this guy. They should have started with what set him off and go from there.

[quote] Australian actor Cody Fern (David Madson) has an Andrew McCarthy thing going on

For a minute, I thought he could be McCarthy's son. He is the splitting image of him, has beautiful eyes.

Cody has good chemistry with Justin Kirk.

He died a horrible death - hammered by the clawed side. Gruesome.

[quote] He is the splitting image of him

Oh, dear!

Why did the producers and writers go with this reverse timeline? Does anyone hav3 a good reason for it? Just being different doesn’t sound like enough of a reason.

I’m not having trouble following anything. I simply don’t understand why they chose this route.

I think they wanted to start out with the most dramatic and newsmaking thing Cunanan did to see if they could hook an audience.

They should have stuck with a timeline from the beginning to the end. I remember when Cunanan went on his killing spree. The media started covering his tracks when he hit Chicago and they were able to backtrack when he first started killing.

It would have been more interesting to see it from a detective point of view in the way they tracked and discovered how the killings were related.

It is shoddy writing. The actors are good but this is a horrible way to structure a series.

R123 No thanks. I don't want a whole series about cops who suck at their jobs. I like that we just get glimpses of how they fucked up the investigation.

From what I understood, Cunanan had a big meth problem but the show hasn't mentioned it at all yet.

I do like that the story is being told backwards. We all know the Versace murder part; the rest is a little hazy. So, it starts with the big splash. If it had started at the beginning, we would have all just been waiting for the Versace murder episode. This was is more gripping.

R124, I also like that the problems with the investigation are not just police incompetence but homophobia and paranoia

The architect looks so much like Andrew McCarthy! Also I understand he's in shock but he didn't take opportunities to get away. Odd. I can't say I "liked" this episode but it was TRULY grim and grisly. Sleeping next to the dead beautiful young man in the field, that was just so perverted and evil.

That was love triangle gone horribly awry.

I cannot wait for the next episode because we will see more of Cody Fern.

[quote]That was love triangle gone horribly awry.

What was?

Jeff Trail and David Madson were not lovers, and Jeff Trail never slept with Andrew Cunanan.

Maureen Orth did a great job with that book. Too bad her husband Tim Russert died a decade ago. And why did son Luke up and quit NBC in a split second?

[quote]I cannot wait for the next episode because we will see more of Cody Fern.

Bite me.

r130, it could have been perceived as a love triangle in Cunanan's mind, and he struck out in frenzy.

Anyone watched the 5th episode? Wow, Jeff's story was just as depressing.

Go here r134.

well......its ok, tonight part7....he shows his skills as a whore. wheeee......bit tedious and tiresome. dubious script

the gay bar stuff was a bit fun....

sleeezy good cuntyness

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