Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12)

Link to previous thread.

Good, a new thread.

Good name!

Do you all really still think the Mueller investigation is going to bring down Trump? I'm very skeptical.

Not crazy about this title. Say, is anyone keeping track of all the thread titles thus far so we don't repeat?

Brilliant title, but I'm a big Stephanie Mills/Wiz fan.

Thanks R585. But courts regularly seal matters that have nothign to do with whether it's classified or not. There can be other reasons for keeping info under seal, for instance informants or intelligence methods. But I don't know what entity can make a court unseal matters - tho it can release info it has on its own. If this info, which may now be declassifed, is related to a grand jury investigation then it will be sealed.

Adding to threadwatcher as eye will not stay orange.

If you search (click on spyglass at top of page-mine is on the left) for 'Treason' all of the threads come up in reverse order.

[quote]Seriously, how are you all dealing with the fatigue? I'm trying not to give up hope but damn, everyday it's harder and harder.

When I feel really depressed and hopeless, I think back to the W administration. There was so much shit going on, particularly the lead up to the war in Iraq. Back then I was in college and I couldn't believe that the media and so many Democrats were letting W get away with literally murder, it felt truly hopeless. Everyone was all in on the whole "W kept us safe" bullshit. Nobody cared that his incompetence and perhaps Cheney's malevolence played a big role in 9/11. There were also tons of little things that were like a poke in the eye if you were against the war, remember freedom fries? Remember the idiotic color coded threat levels? Of course, we were at high risk of terrorist attacks when it was politically convenient for Republicans. And of course, they could never share what the "risks" were because it was classified. And of course only Republicans could keep us safe. God! Those Republicans were fucking evil geniuses compared to Trump, McConnell, and Ryan.

Anyway, we are certainly worse off after the W administration, there is no ending the two wars, there is no putting ISIS back in the bottle, the rich got richer, too many regulations were undone, and W and his whole administration got off scot free. I know that sounds terrible, but it could've continued to be worse had McCain won. We got Obama and while he wasn't perfect, not even close, we did get some good stuff.

All of that is a long-winded way of saying, that the Trump era will end, probably not soon enough, but it will.

It's ok to take a break from the constant barrage of news. It's ok to take a week or two off to decompress. Someone else can carry the load. And when you feel better, come back.

This is a marathon, not a sprint.

Isn’t that interesting, R6, I'm a big wiz-on-Stephanie Mills fan.

[quote]Seriously, how are you all dealing with the fatigue? I'm trying not to give up hope but damn, everyday it's harder and harder.

Also, concrete action helps. Every week, I try to donate $ to different Dem campaigns and other organizations that are anti-Trump/anti-Republican. Even $5.00 helps a campaign because that inflates the numbers of small dollar donors which sometimes helps them with the big money donors. You just have to find something that suits you.

Also, take a break from news and get rid of those damn breaking news alerts if you have them.

I heard last night that Mueller's final report doesn't even have to be released to the public.

[quote]Cater Page

Lucky for him he has an alternative career path.

Great post, r10. Scary times post-9/11. And by "scary," I mean the reaction of the American public. I flew within a day or two of the end of the FAA national grounding. Have never seen an airport that empty. So eerie. I played golf with some very close college friends later in September, and they were babbling on about full-on "nuking Afghanistan." I had assumed these guys were level-headed, but nope. I was like, "We can't just nuke a country. It doesn't work that way." And then when it came time for the Congressional vote to invade Iraq, I remember watching SoS Powell's testimony to the UN live. And my thought bubble was, "There is no fucking way after years of sanctions (which were working), that Saddam Hussein has WMDs." Jeez, talk about the fleecing of America. That pair of wars have cost us upwards of $5 trillion (and that's a 2016 figure). Sure would be nice to have that kind of money to spend here at home on any number of worthwhile expenditures.

Just like with Obama and Clinton before him, a Democrat will be elected to clean up the Orange Asshole's mess. Let's hope the long-term damage to the country isn't catastrophic.

Not crazy about this title, but I'm glad these threads continue.

I was googling a topic i once saw on CBS, the network; however, among the listing was Cadet Bone Spurs (CBS).

Love the title.

This investigation is taking so long. I want to see Trump, his family and cronies in prison. Now. Before they do too much damage.

Cadet Bone Spurs... apparently that's what Tammy Duckworth has taken to calling him.

I think the next round of indictments will happen within the week and will include Jared, Ivanka, Don Jr. and possibly Eric. I think Mueller will indict the Trump children in an effort to get Trump to testify. He'll look pretty shitty if he refused to testify in order to help prove their innocence.

If any indictments happen, it will be the week after next.....after Bannon testifies. You just know he is going to throw Jared under the bus....big time....he hates Kushner, and its a good way to get back at Trump

Trump is purposely using the word "treason" to lessen it's impact. That way, it won't seem like such a big deal to his supporters if/when he's officially charged with it. Everything he is doing is to hold on to his base so they will continue to stand by him and, if need be, riot in his behalf if/when he's indicted. He believes he's above the law, (no news to anyone on this board), but is encouraging them to see and agree.

[quote]Trump is purposely using the word "treason" to lessen it's impact.

I don't think he's that smart.

I think he's using it simply to distract and do what he always does... accuses other people of what he's done.

He is screwing this country up so badly, I don't know if it will recover.

At least some of us may remember some of the US' last good days.

Today's infants, however, will grow up only knowing this country as a shithole that once upon a time was respectable.

Did anyone get this email:

[quote] Donald Trump's Republican Party just took its war on our court system to a whole new level. In Pennsylvania, the state Supreme Court recently struck down partisan gerrymandering as a violation of the state constitution – and ordered the Republican controlled legislature to draw new, fair maps by this Friday. But instead of complying with the order, a top statehouse Republican just announced a push to impeach five of the justices in direct retaliation. This power-play is aimed squarely at forcing the Court to reverse its decision – thus preserving one of the most grotesquely gerrymandered congressional maps in the country. We cannot let this stand.

r27....I didnt get an email, but that is true....its happening as we speak. The SC already rejected the GOP claims and sent it back to the state SC who sided against the GOP....those are the judges they want to impeach. It demonstrates how brazen the GOP has become...they will go to any length.

Yeah, R28 and my fear is that this is just testing the waters of what they're going to do en masse further on down the road.

Wow the delusions Hell I can’t stand him ,but a lot of this is lies and fantasy. JFC

Nothing Mueller does to the Trump spawn will coerce Trump into anything. He comes first. Always.

I am sure Mueller knows Trump's psychology. He knew Trump will only act in his own self-interest. That's how you get to him.

R27, Impeaching the judges would take time. Unless they can get the US Supreme Court to issue a stay of the order to redraw the districts it won't matter. Also, I wouldn't think the SC would issue a stay since they already declined to review the case, but the court is full of right-wingers, so who knows.

Alito is the SC justice who rejected them.......you cant get more right wing than him.

[quote]Unless they can get the US Supreme Court to issue a stay of the order to redraw the districts it won't matter.

Alito refused and there is no way that they're going to be able to persuade enough of the other justices to override him on this, particularly since this is clearly a state matter.

And the nice thing is that if they try to run out the clock, which they clearly are trying to do, the court can take over and draw the districts themselves.

Yeah, I knew that, but I still don't trust any conservative to do the right thing, ever.

This. Is What has To Happen.................

Spread the word.

I ration myself. I don't automatically turn on the news in the evening. And I don't talk politics anymore. I mean everyone knows how bad it is. So I just don't get all exercised. 6 months ago I wouldn't have believed either one of those things was possible, but I'm much better. I read I go to museums I visit with friends, I shop I binge on TV series or movies, WTF ever. I get normal Oh. And I exercise. That's important. I catch MAddow, or Hayes or O Donnell but not all three and no more than two or three times a week. And I watch one hour of AM Joy on the weekend.Period. So maybe I'm doing 4-5 hours a week of news. That may seem like a lot but compared tot what I was doing it isn't. And sometimes I don't even do three hours a week. I check my Twitter news feeds twice a day to see if the world came to an end, but that's it.

Meant to say I'm very selective in my reading too. I will check out The Post, Atlantic Magazine, NY Magazine or the New Yorker, and read the Daily Beast, Raw Story and Daily Kos, and a couple more and I follow certain reporters and columnists like Jonathan Capehart, and Dana Milbank. Paul Krugman. Nicholas Kristof

Democratic response to memo. Trump is allowing Justice and FBI to review and will make his decision based on their recommendations. Of course, they are going to want the memo suppressed. They wanted the Nunes memo suppressed and Trump didn't care. Now, we have to worry about national security. If Trump doesn't release it and I don't think he will, I hope to hell someone like Nancy Pelosi or Elija Cummings releases it and says, "Come and arrest me!"

Love the title, OP.

OP - hated the title at first sight. Thinking you've run out of ideas and are really reaching - BUT - I've been singing it to myself all day now ever since seeing it. Now I like it. HAHA

Btw, I m one of those who posted how much I loved the previous title in the previous thread.

Glad you guys are enjoying the thread titles. The last two though were suggested by other DL'ers though. I thought they were hilarious.

Keep them coming!

I like the thread title. Miss Ross would be proud!

Every deplorable's wet dream:

Nothing refutes meticulously sourced evidence of deep corruption and treason better than a totally unnecessary bombastic expensive military parade!

The drawing at r45 is being too kind to the shape of Trump's ass:

I just counted the amount of times Trump uttered "shutdown" and/or "shut down" on that clip that's being circulated where he argues that he would "love a shutdown" to get the dems on board - 6 times in one run-on sentence.

What's the name of that dementia-indicative disease or condition that's been discussed here before, where you repeat the same word too much?

Still waiting for “Treason of the Bitch”.

You may be waiting awhile r49

[quote]What's the name of that dementia-indicative disease or condition that's been discussed here before, where you repeat the same word too much?

[quote]People with dementia often repeat words or actions, and this is because of problems with short-term memory caused by dementia.

Here’s an extraordinary claim that Fox News viewers have been hearing in recent days: Gregg Jarrett ― a Fox News legal analyst who has recently taken to calling the FBI “America’s secret police” and the “shadow government” while calling Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation “illegitimate and corrupt” ― has recently begun telling Fox News viewers that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein threatened members of Congress.

A dubious claim from a cable news analyst isn’t normally worth dwelling on. But with the Fox News-addicted president indicating he wants Rosenstein gone and Mueller’s special counsel investigation, which Rosenstein oversees, ended, Jarrett’s claim could wind up in the presidential Twitter feed at any moment. It might even give Trump the excuse he wants to fire Rosenstein, the Republican the president has previously suggested he believes is a Democrat.

I hope all the bombast and saber-rattling of Trump and his GOP minions doesn't cause Mueller to alter his game. What I worry about is that maybe Mueller has enough to indict Jared and Donnie Jr. and a few more high profile, inner circle guys , like maybe Priebus, ( that smug little shit needs to be in Prison) but Mueller may slow down or wait because with all this outcry it might look vindictive. I don't think Mueller really gives a fuck about what they say about him, but he might care about appearances and that pisses me off that these bastards could raise so much hell it slows Mueller down.

One thing that's being overlooked while all the reporters chase after the Mueller related stories is whether or not the agitators on the Right are being paid. I believe in my bones that things like Charlottesville and other shit with these young white boys is done with money backing them and we need to expose that. We have now confirmed that Russian Bots were behind a lot of the Black Lives Matter agitprop that was going on last year, but there's a whole lot we 're missing. When the media talks about how things are still going on, we need to really look into what things and who is behind them. Because connecting Trump to that shit either through the Mercers, Bannon, or the Russians would be very important.

Right-wing media seizing on a Lisa Page-to-Peter Strzok text revealed this morning: "Potus wants to know everything we're doing." The text was in reference to the briefing President Obama was to receive from James Comey regarding the FBI's handling of the Hillary Clinton email matter.

To them, this is apparently proof that Obama personally directed the FBI to quash the Hillary email investigation and that he was overseeing the Bureau's investigation of Trump.

I lived through Watergate and the leaks, the lies, the accusations, the polarization, etc., etc., etc., are all so much déjà vu.

And just six months after we finally ran that treasonous asshole out with his tail between his legs I was sitting in the Majestic Theater loving Stephanie Mills in the original production of The Wiz.

^ "out with his" = "out of town with his"

"Bob Mueller's Investigation is Larger--and Further Along--Than You Think."

[quote]We speak about the “Mueller probe” as a single entity, but it’s important to understand that there are no fewer than five (known) separate investigations under the broad umbrella of the special counsel’s office—some threads of these investigations may overlap or intersect, some may be completely free-standing, and some potential targets may be part of multiple threads. But it’s important to understand the different “buckets” of Mueller’s probe.

1. Preexisting Business Deals and Money Laundering

2. Russian Information Operations

3. Active Cyber Intrusions

4. Russian Campaign Contacts

5. Obstruction of Justice.

More at the link, obviously.

"'He Wants a Killer': Post-Bannon, Post-Nunes, Post-Kelly Friction, a Frustrated Trump Searches for a West Wing Reset"

[quote]After the much-hyped Nunes memo failed to deliver the narrative reset that the White House hoped for, Donald Trump is discussing a shake-up to his West Wing, three sources familiar with the president’s thinking told me. These people say the president is increasingly frustrated that members of his administration aren’t going to war for him, and he’s being encouraged by his daughter Ivanka to bring in new blood. “The president’s view is that allies on the outside are doing a better job defending him than his political shop,” one Republican close to the White House told me. Another outside adviser who regularly speaks with Trump said that the president is regretting some of his Cabinet choices. “He’s saying he should have put Rudy [Giuliani] at State and Chris Christie at Justice.”

[quote]Trump has recently told advisers he wants a “killer” to steer the White House’s response to Robert Mueller’s investigation and craft a midterm election message for him to stump on this fall. For Trump, there’s a growing urgency to fill the role. His efforts to stymie Mueller’s probe have so far failed, and the specter of impeachment looms if Democrats win back the House in November. Ivanka, who’s been frustrated with Chief of Staff John Kelly, has told her father that he needs people around him that will put his interests above their own. “She wants to clean house,” a Trump friend told me. “Her view is J.F.K. had Bobby there to have his back.”

More at the link.

R55 Pathetic. If any Democratic President did a miniscule fraction of what CHEATolini has done, they'd be impeached without question. My, the list is long and getting longer, Dotard Plump: money laundering for his Russian real estate deals, refusal to release tax returns, collusion with Putin interfering with American elections, obstruction of justice, treason, threatening nuclear war, bragging of countless sexual assaults, adultery with a porn actress paid for with campaign funds!!!

Donald, right on cue:

NEW FBI TEXTS ARE BOMBSHELLS!

If you need a laugh on these gloomy days, check out the link. Trump's carefully-coiffed hair blown about by the wind, exposing the fact that he's nearly bald.

R52 Gregg Jarrett is among the scummiest of Fox's Basket of Scumbags!

The fact is,if the GOP Congress had any balls at all, Trump has already done more than enough to be impeached. In fact, it's really Ryan. because he could get the 24 GOP members he needs and all the Dems to go along with an impeachment. We don't need a Mueller investigation to impeach him.

What he has failed to do vis a vis the Russians hacking into our elections, taken no measures to condemn it or to make sure it doesn't happen again, in effect ignoring or abetting the fact that we are at war. Cyber wars are real wars too, Donnie.

Then there are the Russia sanctions. Passed by a veto proof margin in both Houses of Congress, the Russia sanctions were supposed to be implemented by a particular date. That date has come and gone and he has done nothing to recognize Congress's legislative action. He has completely ignored Congress.

Then there is the matter of him divulging Top Secret information to the Russians INSIDE the Oval Office. I know we can add to that list, but these are the most prominent infractions that come to mind.

Interesting analogy by Carl Bernstein.

Poor Ivanka must still believe that "Someone" can fix everything, and make her father stop being an object of pubic ridicule. All their businesses are suffering and the entire family is being faced with a level of scrutiny and intrusion they never experienced before.

Change the narrative. Deliver a new batch of indictments. Take the offensive away from Rupert Murdoch, "Rusherbots", Nunes ninnies, and WH nest of deflectors beholden to Putty by proxy. That includes Kelly and Kelly Ann.

Thank you, R67! Exactly what has to happen. The Dems a re so far behind when it comes to strategy. The GOP writes a memo so the Dems want to have a memo. Listening to the pundits last night, some of them were quite good. Their point was the Nunes shenanigans are so over the top out there, that his memo is a joke. Why sink to his level and muddy the waters giving the media two memos to discuss. The Dems ought to let the GOP hang themselves. They are doing it and it is also treasonous of Trump to allow them to divulge information they obtained on the Intel committee. We need to change the narrative and hope the Dems get better advice about how to fight, because tactically they are losers.

[quote]Here’s an extraordinary claim that Fox News viewers have been hearing in recent days: Gregg Jarrett ― a Fox News legal analyst who has recently taken to calling the FBI “America’s secret police” and the “shadow government” while calling Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation “illegitimate and corrupt” ― has recently begun telling Fox News viewers that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein threatened members of Congress.

[quote]A dubious claim from a cable news analyst isn’t normally worth dwelling on. But with the Fox News-addicted president indicating he wants Rosenstein gone and Mueller’s special counsel investigation, which Rosenstein oversees, ended, Jarrett’s claim could wind up in the presidential Twitter feed at any moment. It might even give Trump the excuse he wants to fire Rosenstein, the Republican the president has previously suggested he believes is a Democrat.

Can you imagine the outrage from the Republicans, and the conservative owned media, if there was even a hint of a rumor that POTUS HIllary Clinton uses Liberal media reports to legitimize her presidential actions?

[quote]Poor Ivanka must still believe that "Someone" can fix everything, and make her father stop being an object of pubic ridicule.

The pig can be coated from snout to tail in lipstick, and it'll still look like a stupid glossy pig. No fix is humanly possible.

[quote]Change the narrative. Deliver a new batch of indictments.

I don't think Mueller is conducting his investigation as a means to inflict political damage, nor should he be. It's about getting to the truth.

Sorry if this goes off topic, but there goes the media: Los Angeles Times is being sold to a Trump ally.

[quote]Change the narrative. Deliver a new batch of indictments.

[quote]I don't think Mueller is conducting his investigation as a means to inflict political damage, nor should he be. It's about getting to the truth.

The problem I see is that , for decades now, the Republicans play dirty and the Democratic Party plays by the rule book. Now one of their own, a Repulbican, is leading the investigation of the POTUS, who happens to be a Republican, and he is forced to play by the rules, like a common Democrat, while the rest of the Republican Party plays, once again, dirty by defaming everything and everyone who threatens their superiority status.

I mean to me it's already clear that the Senate will do nothing and claim that all the media lies about Mueller and Rosenthal provide them with very valid reasons to dismiss the findings of Mueller's investigation. And then what? What will be the next carrot of hope that will be dangled over the people's heads that something will be done about Trump and the Republican Party taking the US hostage? The only thing that can be done is with people actually voting Dem no matter what shit Trump, GOP, alt-right, Putin, and the conservative owned media is throwing out there to distract the general public (including starting a war or a terrorist attack).

[quote]The only thing that can be done is with people actually voting Dem

This is correct. Do not count on Mueller or Congress or the judiciary or the media to stop Trump. Focus on getting more Democrats to the polls for every single election, big or small. That's what Republicans have done for years and it's why they now hold all the levers of power. The good news is that the Democrats have a real advantage -- there are far more Americans who agree with Democratic policies than Republican ones. We just have to get them to vote. Last night's Missouri elections are encouraging, with Democratic candidates far outpacing Trump's 2016 results:

#HD97: +31% net swing towards Dem [& Dem pick-up]

#HD39: +19%

#HD129: +25%

#HD144: +53%

Yes, the Democrats only won one of the races, but those are some mighty shifts in electoral behavior.

R68 "The GOP writes a memo so the Dems want to have a memo. Listening to the pundits last night, some of them were quite good. Their point was the Nunes shenanigans are so over the top out there, that his memo is a joke. Why sink to his level and muddy the waters giving the media two memos to discuss."

I so agree! Once Nunes' memo came out, and we could see how trivial it was and how ineptly it was put together, when asked about their responding memo, the Dems could have just said, "Nah. Never mind. We don't think it's necessary anymore. Thanks Mr. Nunes!" "

Sometimes Gregg Jarrett's hangovers don't go so well. Poor thang.

Well, R75 and others, I posted that and now I think about it, the Dems have submitted a memo since they went out on a limb and said they insisted on writing a "response " to "Clarify" the untruths in the Nunes memo and Nunes blocked it. Well, now Ryan has shrewdly said, "OK, Dems, let's release your memo too to be fair..." so now it's up to the White House. But you and I both know Trump really doesn't want the Dems memo to get out with out heavily redacted passages so if we're lucky, Trump will refuse to release the Dems memo and simply characterize it as a bunch of lies, or he will insist parts of it be redacted so it makes no sense. The Dems botched this play. The GOP always overreaches. Always. and even Ray Charles can see what a complete incompetent Nunes is. So why stoop to their level.

Agree with R75, R77 and Carl Bernstein. We need to move on. Fuck the memos.

The memo drama is total bullshit and The Democratic Party, once again, humors Trump and The Republican Party by not calling what it is: Bullshit served to their base to eat it up.

Adam Schiff expressed he wanted the Democratic Memo on record. If Trump guts it, that's also on record. Kelly already expressed intentions of redacting. If it goes to Congress to vote for release after redactions and politicaly motivated extractions, that plays into Republican hands. Give the damn Memo to Diane Feinstein to release. Will the FBI arrest her? I don't think so.

R80 That was my suggestion: Give it to Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi or Elija Cummings and let them say "Come fucking try to arrest me."

[quote]Poor Ivanka must still believe that "Someone" can fix everything,

Poor Ivanka needs to sit down and think of her choices. Like dating Quincy Jones when she was 24-25 -- if we believe Quincy Jones:

What’s stirred everything up? Is it all about Trumpism?

It’s Trump and uneducated rednecks. Trump is just telling them what they want to hear. I used to hang out with him. He’s a crazy motherfucker. Limited mentally — a megalomaniac, narcissistic. I can’t stand him. I used to date Ivanka, you know.

Wait, really?

Yes, sir. Twelve years ago. Tommy Hilfiger, who was working with my daughter KidadaA former model and current designer, Kidada is the daughter of Jones and his ex-wife Peggy Lipton. Jones’s other daughter with Lipton is the actress Rashida Jones. Jones has five other children, with four other women. , said, “Ivanka wants to have dinner with you.” I said, “No problem. She’s a fine motherfucker.” She had the most beautiful legs I ever saw in my life. Wrong father, though.

It would have to be someone on their committee. Feinstein released the testimony transcript because she was ranking member of Judiciary and Grassley who was chair, blocked her even though the person who had testified said they had his permission to release his testimony.. So if this one had been Schiff releasing it preemptively, that's different . Look. There is a principle involved with the House Intel memo. It's called national security. For Nunes to decide to release it was wrong on it's face. Then the FBI weighs in and they say please do not release this. So for the Dems to say well we'll release our own to clarify things because Nunes is lying and cherry picking. No. You say you are not going to violate National security, you are going to trust the FBI and the DOJ and you will not endanger national security. Then you go through all the ways Trump has fucked national security in the past. You remind people of Nunes compromising his position by running to the White House, etc. You do not get into Memo Wars. Sometimes we need to be smarter, ya know?

Isn't Quincy certifiable?

R83 ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT!!! Being smarter isn't getting us where we need to be. We need to get down in the dirt and fight those fuckers. We need to have some balls and play their game. Being a pussy may allow you to keep your conscience but it's not going to win with these assholes. Our freedom is a stake. Get off your fucking high horse and fight in the mud with them.

R83 There are no rules anymore. The sooner we learn that, the better off we'll be.

Fighting smarter doesn't mean we have to be on a "high horse." I'm certainly not. But we do have to out think them and that really isn't that hard. The whole point is National Security. Treason traitor, etc. We have to start pushing that button repeatedly. It needs to be the theme. Trump as a fucking traitor. Because you know what? That fucker projected and used it agains the Dems just two days ago. We need to get pre -emptive not defensive that is all I am saying. I am all for being down and dirty. But lets get smart about how we do it. we can't mindlessly crash into walls.

Agree with R83

Trump would “love” to have the DOJ prove how biased they are by [italic]Not[/italic] arresting a Democrat who knowingly released classified information.

Gregg Jarrett used to be on a MSNBC morning show. That was during the 9/11 period. He ended up with Fox. He took a leave due to alcoholic antics. He is a junior yapper among the Hannity-Pirro-Carlson cooperative inflamers; trying to make Rupert Murdoch, Trumputin bud, proud.

I have this terrible feeling that the oligarchs are taking over and getting rid of democracy.

It’s just too big of a coincidence that every company has been bought by private equity, all sectors have been consolidated, right wing government has gotten so authoritarian... all signs are there.

The media is being chopped up and sold to the oligarchs.

It’s almost like Trump is a sideshow.

They're all disgusting traitors R89. They are complicit in the destruction of our country.

The bottom line is that all the right wing needs is a premise. It doesn’t even matter what the premise is, just a script to deliver actions.

Watch the actions.

TIME, NEWSWEEK, and LA TIMES all went to the dark side this week.

It’s up to people to figure out things for themselves now. This has been going on since before Trump. This has the Koch brothers stench all over it.

What do they plan to do with us?

War, r93. To make more $$

This Senator Ron Johnson appears to be willing to do anything sleezy in behalf of DJT. What is wrong with the Republican politicians from Wisconsin?

Johnson, Ryan, Walker, etc. The whole lot.

What really went on there during the 2016 election? Something is not right.

So now theyre saying that Russia did hack the voting machines in 20 something states during the election....per a high ranking official.

Does that mean that Reality Winner can be released from jail....she leaked that very information from the NSA over a year ago. A year we could have been trying to prevent another attack.

^Source, R96?

R90 you aren't far wrong. The point is they have got a toehold but we can push them back. Remember, back during WW2 Hitler wasn't alone. There were white supremacists all over the world including the United States and Great Britain who were trying to coordinate. In France they had a Nazi collaborator in the Vichy government working with the Nazis after France was fucking invaded. Germany had Italy on their side, and conquered almost all of Europe except for Russia and UK The reason they failed is because we kept fighting, resisting them every way we could. We have to do that now. They aren't hiding. They are in our faces. So we have to get smart about HOW we fight them, but fight we must.

Jeanette Manfra, head of cybersecurity just announced that the Russians hacked into 21 states voter systems, but were only able to be successful in "several" of them................Im sure those "several" are the three states that put Trump over the top.

[quote]Of the 21 states targeted by Russians in the election, several were successfully penetrated, said Jeanette Manfra, in an exclusive interview with NBC.

I hope they were. I hope among the states they know about are PA, FL, MI, Wisconsin, and Ohio. I'll take any combination of those. In fact it was probably all of them. Oh. I wonder. How many of these states have Republican governors, majority Republican state legislatures, and Republican Secretarys of State running their elections. And Republican Attorneys General? Just asking for a friend....

By the way: Eric Holder will be on with Rachel tonight.

For R96 and R97 on Reality Winner.

you know we have fucking laws in this country. The fact that Congress chooses to ignore or not enforce those laws or not adhere to the traditions and the rules should be our focus. We need to pressure Congress to within an inch of their lives. I am saying we need to spotlight them. We need to start a fucking revolution in Congress. They have the power to fix this and they won't do it. That has to end. They have contempt for us and I am sick of it.

Street protests, peaceful, but massive and repetitive. No more election thefts.

BTW, why isn't Congress enraged that the new sanctions on Russia are not being applied?

[quote]BTW, why isn't Congress enraged that the new sanctions on Russia are not being applied?

Oooooh, pick me pick me!

Because they're all up to their nutsacks in Russian money as well.

After the election I recall feeling like something wasn't right. Of course, the media was shoving down our throats the narrative that we were all living in our little bubbles and not understanding that there were so many Angry Heartland White People that we didn't notice, but Savior Trump did! We who, even cautiously, asserted that there was, perhaps, hacking involved were shot down as loons. I couldn't put my finger on why it felt wrong, aside, of course, that the US had elected a lunatic. I lived through the 2000 stolen election, but this one was something else. We were told that people just lied in polls like crazy, that we were all out of touch with the Power of the Forgotten Americans.

The drip drip drip from "There is no way the elections were (or even COULD be) hacked" to where we are now is amazing. Eventually it will come out that the votes were hacked and changed. Just wait. This will not come until after the midterms, but it will come. This is the feeling of one's country being fundamentally changed forever, and not in a good way.

Me too R106, in Reality he wasn't the Winner.

Why the fuck isn't this a screaming headline? Russia hacked into our voting systems? This is huge, it's and act of war for christ sakes!

Russia "scanned and probed" voter registration databases, they didn't hack into tabulation machines to change votes. That's the official story, anyway. However, a number of the 21 states targeted deny they were interfered with at all. Virtually none have done anything to improve their security.

I agree R106, R107, It's outrageous and those of us who began to realize it...even as early as election night itself, were marginalized. We were sore losers. And of course everyone piled on Hillary, and the convenient narrative is "what she did wrong..." or what "she wasn't enough of..."

Just ask yourself this question: Why the fuck would the Russians hack into the voting systems if they did NOT change the vote? Were they sight-seeing? Why bother?

As someone pointed out on MSNBC the other night, or rather confirmed what I've been saying all along, they didn't have to do that much. A little tweak here and there and a subtle alteration and boom. Done. Stealing elections is easy, especially when you have the high turnout of a Presidential, and the contest is closer.

Hillary lost by 78,000 votes if were looking at the Electoral College. And they all started flipping in the same way around the same time that night. The methods were obvious. The exit polls weren't wrong.

Worst treason pun ever.

John Lewis said it all. He's been through a lot of voting wars. He's survived through the corrupt systems in the South. When Trump won the election Lewis said Trump was ILLEGITIMATE. Best description I've heard and with every passing revelation the word has more weight and more power.

Every day, with every new reveal, I'm getting angrier and angrier at Paul Ryan and the GOP House. I hope those fuckers get busted by the FBI. I hope there is audio t ape and photos of them doing bad shit and it's plastered all over TV so the fucking Deplorables can't deny it. I am beside myself with anger at the way they are permitting this shit to go on and acting all placid and calm and embracing the foulest most despicable piece of shit that ever breathed air on this earth.

At this point Trump is so bad, so obviously incapable of governing, we need to just re focus our attention on pressuring Paul Ryan to either do his damned job, or step aside. Those bastards will cave in to pressure so we need to load it on them. I'd love to now what their plans are for the Mid Terms because they have something up their sleeves and you know the do.

I bet for the conservative media all the reports about Russia hacking into the voting system is a big Nothingburger that should not be given any credence or coverage.

The whole nation needs an enema. The whole 1%er elite and its henchmen (the press, government officials, and police force, etc.) need to be flushed out for good.

Fuck the constitution. Get Trump and his corrupt friends out of the White House now. It's clear Russia meddled with the election. Trump is not the truly elected POTUS by the US citizens. And hold the Republican Party accountable for obstruction. Don't let Russia and their agents keep their control over the US.

Troll at R111. Do you not like it because you don't understand it, Vlad?

[quote]The drip drip drip from "There is no way the elections were (or even COULD be) hacked" to where we are now is amazing. Eventually it will come out that the votes were hacked and changed. Just wait.

I feel like we'll never know the truth. I think they already have concrete evidence that the election was stolen for Dump but they're never going to tell us because then what? There's nothing in our constitution that would or could make it right if they revealed tomorrow that HRC was the actual winner, right?

To the people upthread who pointed to us surviving the Bush years that this is all going to be okay...

I guess I don't have the same optimism. I feel that we've entered in to something far more heinous and dangerous than the Bush Administration.

r118, people trusted the Republican media propaganda more back then and dismissed opposing opinions as conspiracy tin-hat theories, because of 9/11. This time it's even more blatant.

Wait a minute.....I’m one of those who believed they hacked us from the beginning. We were told we were just trying to get Hillary in — totally NOT true, for me anyway — and to move on.

I figured out quickly that our Constitution has NO remedy for this. Sooooooo.....what can we do? Exactly what we’re doing. Right now the Dems have a highly focused strategy, being led in part by Holder, to reclaim KEY seats that will enable Dems to UNgerrymander. For example, the AG Of Ohio is apparently key to fixing the voting system problems in that state.

I think we, meaning Indivisible, MoveOn, women’s march. Etc. Are making real progress. But here is where we need LEGISLATION:

Fairness Doctrine MUST become law again Indivisible needs STATE level movements to correct voting systems on a state by state basis We must DEMAND that sanctions be enforced on Russia, and make it clear to Congress that if they don’t do more to go after Russia, they’re done.

Agree with R118 without wanting to. Those who say, "We survived Bush" could be seen to be enabling all we reasonably fear has happened: pretending the frog isn't being boiled. Even Obama saying around transition time (knowing all he knew about the 'winner'), "It'll all be fine" doesn't quite reassure as much as one might like.

The fact that a special investigation had to be set up so soon after Inauguration says it all, not that there's not volumes more to be added. Bush was inadequate but never faced a justified concerted investigation from the word go. The 'administration' now is in every respect a whole new low order of embedded corruption, which will dig beyond deep to protect itself, without shame. When in fact it is supposed to be governing.

[quote]I'm getting angrier and angrier at Paul Ryan and the GOP House. I hope those fuckers get busted by the FBI. I hope there is audio t ape and photos of them doing bad shit and it's plastered all over TV so the fucking Deplorables can't deny it.

Please. They could produce videotape of a blood-smeared Paul Ryan eating a baby and 38% of the country would say the baby was asking for it. Then they would start to ask who was responsible for leaking the videotape, cuz they're the true wrongdoers in this story!

The election became legal when the electoral college voted for Trump, no matter who the real winner was. If they had voted for Hillary instead, that would have been legal too. So it was a legal election? Just a hacked one.

I wonder if some of them had to be paid off to persuade them not to change their vote? There sure was a big stink about “I just can’t vote for Trump” from those people, then they voted for him anyway. If Russia is interfering with our elections, paying off a few random wafflers is cheap and easy.

[quote]The election became legal when the electoral college voted for Trump, no matter who the real winner was.

Sure, Trump was legally elected. By Putin.

There were voting irregularities in a number of states for many decades, and this was not confined to a southern state such as some of the parishs in Louisiana, or 2000 in Florida, or Jim Cross laws much earlier. Places such as Illinois, Ohio, and New Jersey have had a history of questionable results. The point is, the Russians studied methods in how to impact voting in the U.S. and elsewhere. Often, in states where the Governor, state AG, state Sec. of State, and much of the state legislature are of the same party, manipulation of voting processes and outcomes can be made easier. Are all precinct captains and vote tabulators 100% honest everywhere? Doubtful. Some have a lot of discretion in which votes have stray marks or deemed confusing, and tabulations are done by all partisan or inept counters that can fooled, or they are in on it. What was cleverly done, was pe-selecting targeted precincts in a given state, and broadening the intrusion so certain tabulations don't look particularly unusual for a given locale. The intruders and their primary coops are not going to mess with heavy blue and red states whereby manipulatios could appear extreme to alter the real results. The Russians planned the 2016 outcome masterfully and beyond expectations. They had cooperative help, some knowingly and some unknowingly due to party first commitments at all costs. Yes, there was collusion, conspiracy, or whatever one wants to call the illegalities.

r123....Do you realize that the electoral vote is based on the popular vote in each state.....for most states its winner take all....very few split......and that numerous states have laws against changing your electoral vote to go against the states popular vote.

WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS !!!!!!!

Devin Nunes is planning on going after Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts (a republican) to try and tie him to Nunes alleged conspiracy.

In other words, dont just go after the justice dept and law enforcement, go after the person who would be in charge of any impeachment hearings.

Now hes behaving more than blatantly obvious.

Nunes is out of control, but treated as being heroic by Fox News.

The blame needs to be squarely on the spineless Paul Ryan.

[quote]Even Obama saying around transition time (knowing all he knew about the 'winner'), "It'll all be fine"

Maybe Obama knew the shit would hit the fan with the FBI.

Obama was overly cautious and thought too highly of the Republicans. He was at best a right-leaning, corporate friendly, centrist. I only wish he'd been the flaming liberal the GOP tried to make him out to be.

Wow, the trumpkins are turning on Bush for saying "yes, the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. He's a flaming libturd who was NEVER a true republican."

Link, R131?

Here's one R132.

Thanks R133. I was wondering though if there were links to Trumptards turning on Bush.

[quote]"It’s problematic that a foreign nation is involved in our election system. Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results.”

The second odd though vital clause (if accurately rendered) nicely authenticates the GWB tone. 'Problematic' is radiantly diplomatic understatement. A former GOP President saying US democracy is not in a good place because people do not trust the election results is no small thing. Excellent contribution. Let's see how it gets under Trump's thin skin.

No R134, I just read comments from readers. The usual ignorant Trumptards screaming incoherent rants.

The 2016 election was rigged. I believe the Russians were able to turn a few districts in swing state which flipped purple states red. I also believe corrupt Republicans with the means to do so in those states also rigged county votes, again flipping the states red. We are looking at an unparalleled level of corruption where people put profits, bigotry, greed, and hate above the well-being of their country.

Just in the news today, Obamacare enrollment is up 46% in spite of the repubs attempt to kill it, including shortening the enrollment period and cutting the marketing budget. Enrollment in red states is up, people want Obamacare but do righties listen? No. They've sold their souls to the devil.

I'm not sure what the endgame is for people like the Kochs and Mercers. Is it an all-white country based on some fantasy from a past that never existed? Whatever it is, they should remember the French and Russian revolutions where those in power lost their lives.

FWIW, I just read today in an update from fair districts Ohio that we will have a motion to end gerrymandering on the ballot in May.

This is from a petition drive that I helped out on in a TINY way by knocking on doors in my neighborhood and getting signatures.

We can stop this. We MUST stop this. I keep thinking about what one poster said a while back "this is something this country must go thru. It's a test and be glad it's someone as stupid as dump who is attempting to turn us into fascists."

[quote]Why the fuck would the Russians hack into the voting systems if they did NOT change the vote? Were they sight-seeing? Why bother?

Russians are incrementalists. Do a little something here, do a little something there, nobody detected, do a little more. Russians are relentless and need to be stopped as soon as detected.

Yeah, Russians have been hacking into US power grids and haven't actually done anything harmful, either. Yet.

It may all come down to a revolution. I'm ready.

Rep. Hakeem Jeffries schools the House about "treason."

Any word on why Bannon didn't show up Tuesday for HIC interview?

How do you know Soon-Shiong is a Trump ally, R72?

If the LA Times goes right, it will lose its subscription base.

Voting districts should go like this: plot the centre of the state. Draw a horizontal line In the centre. Now draw a vertical line through the centre. Now you draw a few lines that make a grid. There. Now you've got districts that aren't dependent on politics, religion, race, ethnicity.

Rick Gates and his lawyers are getting divorced due to irreconcilable differences. Is he going to plead guilty anytime soon? Here's hoping.

There are two categories of Republicans in Congress: those who will burn down the House to protect trump, and those who will stand mute while they do it.

-Rep. Schiff

I said it the night of the election and I've been saying it every since. As soon as the vote totals from Florida started going wonky, I knew something was up and that was before the horrible three started flipping against all the polls.

There is always a pattern to vote returns. First, the smaller population, rural areas because there isn't too much to count. Then, the rest of the rural, followed by suburban. At this point, the Repugs usually look like they're ahead because the larger population and urban areas haven't come in yet. When they, university towns and urban areas, start coming in the Dem vote starts to grow quickly.

The opposite happened on election night 2016. Hillary was already way ahead in Floriday early. She had already won the early voting by a ton. Then, when the Dem strongholds started coming in, her numbers started to falter and Trump's inexplicably grew even though these were strong Dem areas with good exit polling for Hillary. It went against all logic and all vote counting history. That just spread to Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio but Florida was first. It was obvious to anyone watching who knew vote counting patterns. Everything else went as usual, including exit polls, but the votes went wonky. It was hacked and votes were switched and it started in Florida.

I am sol sick of these lying fuckhead shithead at the White House! We don't get the lying Sarah Sanders today, we get the lying Raj and why are they paying so much attention to this ad, who we never heard about, instead of talking about this huge spending plan for the military??? The military does not need a bunch of money, here the military industrial complex gets all of our money, as usual.

This country is going right to hell in a handbasket. One year after our government is handed over to disgusting Republicans, this retarded president has pretty much destroyed it.

The president is horrible in every way but our House was suppose to step up and protect us from this criminal, the House us more guilty than the sewage in the White House.

The cable news today are the ex-wives allegations against Rob Porter who has now resigned or been fired. It deserves coverage, but it has been dominating all day and is a carry-over from yesterday.

These anchors and reporters need to be covering Russian hacking, HIC shenanigans, the Dem Memo, the expensive and troubling "parade" being planned, progress of the Mueller investigation, the delelopments per the Olympics, DACA, the compromise Senate bill, potential for another shutdown, etc. And sometime, they could cover what'she going on in other parts of the world and throughout the USA.

But they are covering what Omarosa is now saying.

Gezzz

Sadly the nation's hopes now lie in the lap of Omarosa.

Will never forget election nite on CNN. Wolf B and John King seemed perplexed on the outcome. For once those two seemed tongue tied

It was surreal.

.......

yeah well I'd like to take a look at those electors. I'd like to know if they were bribed or threatened or intimidated or coerced to vote for Trump. I wouldn't put anything past Trump or people who supported him. I have to wonder how many of the electors were legitimately chosen.

[quote]Yes. There's already proof. I work in the industry. I sat in a meeting with the head of cyber security investigations for the FBI in Florida. Their systems were hacked in 2016. What's difficult is proving that (or more accurately stated "how") the votes were manipulated. But go back to election night and remember how Trump pulled ahead in Florida, NC, MI, PA and WI. It happened almost like clock work once the precincts reporting crossed the 50% threshold. This shit is deep. Putin had already done this in his own election and also in Ukraine. We should be very worried about the EU elections coming up.

I was furious with Jake Tapper tonight devoting all that tie to Omarosa. The Porter story is dominating because Kelly is getting fried by the Press about when he knew about this, and I'm OK with that. But yes, too much time was given to it, and we really need to focus on important shit. Not nearly enough time has been spent looking at Paul Ryan and his cronies and where they get their money.

Rep. Tom Rooney says the atmosphere on the House Intelligence Committee is “absolute poison”:

Rooney said one reason for the tension is an erosion of trust, exacerbated by an ongoing ethics investigation into the “entire Republican staff,” including “the woman up front that answers the phone” for alleged leaks. He later added that the matter was being handled by the Office of Congressional Ethics.

Former top diplomat Victoria Nuland tells the story of how she pushed the Obama administration to do more to stop Russian hacking.

By the summer of 2016, Victoria Nuland’s “Spidey sense” told her something was very wrong.

That spring, Nuland, the top State Department official charged with overseeing U.S. policy toward Russia, was one of those who had “first rung the alarm bell” inside the Obama administration, warning that Russia appeared to be trying to “discredit the democratic process” in the United States as part of a concerted 2016 strategy.

Now, the Russian campaign was turning out to be even more serious than she had imagined. She had known since late 2015 that the Democratic National Committee’s email servers had been hacked; all these months later, the stolen DNC emails were being publicly released by websites known to be Russian conduits right on the eve of the Democratic convention, and U.S. intelligence agencies would soon confirm the hack to be a Russian operation.

“That’s when the hairs really went up on the back of our necks,” she recounted in an interview with The Global Politico, her first extensive public comments about what it was like to spend months in the middle of the U.S. government’s halting, frustrating attempts to understand the Russian attack on the U.S. electoral system—and then try to figure out how to respond to it.

While the broad contours of that response are known, hearing it viscerally described by one of those who tried to stop it is bracing. Nuland is now confirming publicly that she pushed President Barack Obama to respond more aggressively to the hacking before the election and acknowledging that she and others at the State Department were informed by “sometime in late July” about the inflammatory findings of former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele apparently linking the Russian effort to Republican candidate Donald Trump. Unbeknownst to her, the FBI, also in July 2016, had begun a secret investigation into possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. The issue of whether the Steele report, paid for by Democrats, helped fuel that investigation is now the subject of heated partisan dispute on Capitol Hill.

In the interview, Nuland said she was familiar with Steele’s work through regular reports he had passed on to her office over the previous several years dealing with political maneuverings in Russia and Ukraine. When presented by an intermediary with the startling information about “linkages” between Trump and Russia that summer, “what I did was say that this is about U.S. politics,” Nuland recounted, “and not the business of the State Department, and certainly not the business of a career employee who is subject to the Hatch Act, which requires that you stay out of politics. So, my advice to those who were interfacing with him was that he should get this information to the FBI, and that they could evaluate whether they thought it was credible.”

Nuland would spend the next few months—the last, as it turned out, of her 32-year career at the State Department—lobbying unsuccessfully to do more to retaliate for the Russia hacking before the November election that saw Trump emerge as a surprise victor. Nuland, who had worked closely with politicians as varied as Republican Dick Cheney and Democrat Hillary Clinton while at State and is now the CEO of the nonpartisan Center for a New American Security, ended up quitting the State Department days before Trump took office over her qualms about him.

But she remains critical of Obama’s handling of the Russia affair as well, and she told me she believed Obama had failed to take “countermeasures”—both “overt and non-overt”—“that would have raised the cost” on Russia and possibly prevented further incursions. In part, she said, that may have been because the U.S. intelligence community, though it ultimately came out after the election and pinned the pro-Trump campaign on Russia, delayed too long in doing so. “The attribution from the intelligence community, frankly, came far later than it should have,” she said.

Believe it is obvious that the vote count was altered by Russia. Of course we do not want to admit that it happened.

R148, I saw the same thing in Ohio. I kept saying "The vote is close and the cities haven't come in yet." I knew it was stolen as soon as the urban votes started coming in.

R138, Here's hoping the vote to end gerrymandering is remotely fair. As an Ohioan, I remember back a decade or more, when we had four election reform laws on the ballot. All four were ahead in the polls, and yet somehow they all failed. A corporate tax giveaway was the only issue that passed.

We need to insist the states all go back to paper ballots until we sort this out. Fuck it.

Everyone is piling on to Kelly but didn't Porter come on board when Priebus as CoS?

Kelly is a PoS and defended him to the end. He needs to go. He is scum just like the rest of them.

Well, as a fellow Mormon he worked for Orrin Hatch before he went to the White House. Tell me Hatch knew nothing. Hah!

OK. So did Kelly bring him in on Hatch's recommendation?

R164, Kelly knew about the allegations and still defended Porter and tried to keep him from resigning. Kelly gets a full share of the blame for this fiasco.

Well, if Ivanka gets her way... Kelly will be gone himself soon enough!

I love the way Rachel Maddow takes this issue and really focuses on what's important. The promiscuous use of Security Clearances. This guy was denied clearance by the FBI, and yet he handled top secret shit.. The WH claims Trump "had no idea" he had not been cleared or that he had a problem. So this is all sitting on Kelly's doorstep. And Rachel Maddow is now asking "experts" whether they have been guilty of criminal wrongdoing by allowing him to handle and review Top secret information in spite of being denied Apparently Kelly knew, McGahn knew, and Trump did not know. If it's true they kept it from Trump he needs to fire Kelly.

Ha! Trump approved it, but there just lying about him

Nunes is blathering on about that second memo targeting the State Department. Hopefully the media and politicians won't get into the same trap of giving him so much publicity before it's released.

Yeah, right R171. You know they will.

[quote] The Porter story is dominating because Kelly is getting fried by the Press

It's also dominating because it's the FBI who gave the info to the media. Think about it. Who had the photos? Who spoke to the ex-wives? Who knew Porter didn't have permanent security clearance? The FBI. They are being fucked over by Trump, they're fucking Trump back. The media wants more FBI leaks, so they're making a big deal of this story.

^^^^Good Catch!

This vote tampering has happened before - remember Rove on Fox News being incredulous that Obama won a second term? Ohio voting machine company owned by Tagg Romney.....

R175, I remember that well. The hacker group Anonymous claimed they saw the GOP attempted vote switch in Ohio, and routed the real votes back to Ohio. Considering the sordid history of vote tally machines crashing and flipping votes n Ohio, it's kinda plausible.

Greg Palast covers voter irregularity. Here he is with David Cay Johnston, who wrote "It's Worse Than You Think." Johnston has been watching Trump for 30 years. I found it entertaining, as opposed to dry and depressing

How do we get ballot tracking implemented Nationwide like Washington State has?

When will new indictments come, I am beginning to lose faith.

When is the FBI going to stick it to Nunes? They've got to have plenty of dirt on him. Why are they letting him cause so much damage?

R177. I was gonna watch the clip, then saw it was 2 hours! I see Johnson on MSNBC all the time. If you do also, could you write a sentence or two on any new information pertinent to the voting tallies? Thanks.

They could have gotten Nunes on obstruction with this memo stuff. I wish Mueller would act on that.

Interesting catch, r173. That makes perfect sense. Just putting the bug squeeze on the fat orange. Pick off his inner circle one at a time -ten little Indians style.

Muller's got bigger fish to fry than the traitor Nunes. Besides, Nunes just keeps making a fool out of himself and proving the FBI is right. Why would they want to stop him from shooting himself, dump and wing nuts in the foot?

R173 Although your theory seems credible, a detail that might discredit is the fact that it was a British tabloid, (The Mirror), that broke the story -and published the pics. If the FBI was to leak, wouldn't it have been to an American Publication? This definitely is a story big enough to leak to the NYT or WAPO, both of which covered it AFTER it broke in the Brit papers.

Comrade Nunes had a wall erected to separate the HIC staff. Looks like Trump finally got his wall!

[quote]We need to insist the states all go back to paper ballots until we sort this out. Fuck it.

Congressional Democrats have repeatedly tried to introduce such legislation but Republicans won't even allow the matter to be brought to the floor for debate.

R184, really? You really think that since it was leaked through the Daily Mail it had to be someone other than the FBI? LOLOL!

Porter has been blaming Corey Lewandowski for leaking the story. Lewandowski denies it.

Is this really just two deplorables battling over Hope Hicks? Gross.

It doesn't matter I love the fact that there's so much in fighting. The less they get done the better off we are. I wish we could do the same thing with all the cabinet officials. Disrupt their agendas.

The fact that they are running around blaming one another for shit the FBI may have leaked, is hilarious. Everyone always says this WH leaks like a sieve, but this is great. The FBI can be very subtle about how it orchestrates things. Look at Comey admitting he leaked info in order to guarantee a Special Prosecutor would get appointed. That wasn't among the most subtle things but hey, they know what they're doing.

I betcha Hope Hicks is going to leave. Trump is probably begging her right now not to go.

There's hope: "Senate Democrats Dominate Their GOP Counterparts In Campaign Fundraising."

[quote]Every Senate Democratic incumbent facing a tough reelection this year out-raised their opponent in the last three months of 2017, most by lopsided margins, according to recently filed Senate finance reports.

[quote]Nine of the ten Democrats who are up for reelection next year in states President Donald Trump carried raised at least $1 million in fundraising, and more than doubled the total brought in by their top opponent.

[quote]Six of those ten Democrats have at least five times as much cash in the bank as their nearest GOP opponent. No Republican running for a Democratic-held seat topped $1 million from donors in the last three months, the normal benchmark for a strong Senate fundraising quarter.

[quote]Comrade Nunes had a wall erected to separate the HIC staff. Looks like Trump finally got his wall!

Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Texas, says one reason for the wall is an erosion of trust, exacerbated by an ongoing ethics investigation into the "entire Republican staff," including "the woman up front that answers the phone" for alleged leaks. He later added that the matter was being handled by the Office of Congressional Ethics.

Have to LOLOLOL! The "Office of Congressional Ethics????" Really?

HOpe.

Yep, the first two letters.

As a sociopath, Trump is incapable of letting pockets of "the unknown" exist anywhere around him or his interests. He knows EVERYTHING going on top to bottom in the WH and his properties and business. Mueller knows this, too.

[quote] [R177]. I was gonna watch the clip, then saw it was 2 hours!

Really? I didn't watch it all at once. I watched some before dinner and some after dinner. I didn't realise it was so long.

I still say that, when this is all said and done, Hope Hicks could end up being the hero who comes forward with all the information. A woman scorned!

Doubtful. She is apparently a very psychologically damaged young woman.

[quote]The hacker group Anonymous claimed they saw the GOP attempted vote switch in Ohio, and routed the real votes back to Ohio.

Where the fuck are they when we need them?

Yes and I’d like to see a link source on that Anonymous story. Sounds too good to be true.

Is it true that we’ve lost all the “good guy” hackers? I’ve heard they’ve all been hired by various governments so there aren’t any great indie hackers like there were even five years ago.....

According to my neighbor in the know (has connections), they have enough on Trump to start impeachment but they don't know what to do and we are in a major constitutional crisis.

I think most of us believe there is more than enough to impeach Trump, it's in the headlines daily. I also think they know what to do. I believe the Republican Party is dirty as hell and doesn't want to impeach Trump. They've been waiting for the opportunity to rape the country like this for decades. This is worse than Reagan by orders of magnitude.

Shit. We don't need a Mueller investigation. This asshole is demonstrably incapable of being President. He has failed deliberately to defend the Constitution, etc. in terms of national security. We could spend a couple hours detailing the list of criminally negligent failures. This is all down to Paul Ryan. He is the main obstacle to the start of impeachment proceedings. That's where we need to apply massive pressure. Focus the spotlight, camp out on his front law, call him a fucking traitor because he is. He knows a whole lot more than we do. He needs to make his move.

According to CNN Trump is considering Mulvaney as Chief of Staff. OMG.

Paul Ryan was "reluctantly" brought back to political relevance just before Trump squatted. He's there for a reason, and it ain't to look after the citizens' good. Don't look to him to feel any shame or urgency. He's a scumbag.

FIne. THen if I Were Mueller's team I'd charge Ryan with Criminal conspiracy to Obstruct Justice and Obstruction of Justice. And he wouldn't be the only member of Congress I'd charge.

There's some legal types out there making the case that the President CAN be indicted for blatantly criminal behavior.

How that gets sent through the courts is anybody's guess.

Clearly nothing's going to happen if we rely on the impeachment process.

I'm taking a class on Foreign affairs and we're studying Erdogan and how he has been taking measures to suppress dissent and impose a more authoritarian regime and how he did it gradually. It is chillingly similar to some of the things Trump says and wants to attempt. It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover trump is guided by the evolution of authoritarianism in Turkey under Erdogan.

Wasn't someone in Trump's staff friendly with Erdogan?

[quote]Wasn't someone in Trump's staff friendly with Erdogan?

Friendly?? That's one way of putting it.

The Turkish government paid Mike Flynn $500,000 as an "advisor", and offered to pay him much more if he kidnapped a Muslim cleric in PA and had him illegally extradited back to Turkey.

[quote]According to CNN Trump is considering Mulvaney as Chief of Staff. OMG.

So all I did was for bubkis?

[quote]So all I did was for bubkis?

And for love Devin.

Enough of Porter, media. It is worth covering, but not 24/7 for 3 1/2 days so far.

What about other serious news? How about covering the matter of nothing is being done from Congress and the DJT administration about Ruskie tampering?

They're talking about Trump's negligence regarding the President's Daily Intelligence briefing. He only gets an oral briefing. His written briefing has information about Russia but they omit that from his oral briefing because it upsets him. They are analyzing it as him not trusting the Intelligence community or the briefings, his resistance to discuss anything negative about Russia, and his insistence there is a Democratic plot to delegitimize or discredit his Presidency in collusion with the FBI & CIA.

The woman next in line after Rod Rosenstein in the Justice Department, Rachel Brand has just announced she is leaving the DoJ.

I knew this administration would be a disaster, but not this bad. I guess it's the republican congress that is adding fuel to the fire.

Rachel Brand's husband is a lawyer and his partner is involved with defending someone from the Mueller investigation. She's been recusing herself from a number of things so now she got an great offer to leave DoJ, and she took it. At least this wasn't about Trump forcing someone out.

People are leaving this administration faster than rats on a sinking ship. The problem, no real qualified, highly respected people would be asked to join, or they would refuse, in order to avoid being tainted in this mess.

Who is "they", r200? You don't have to name names. Just say "FBI" or "House" to give us a clue.

Mulvaney is a tea party politician from the 5th Congressional district in SC; now head of the office of M&B. He was confirmed by a 51-49 vote. A lot of financial controversy associated with his prior campaigns on the state level, including big secret donors, and allegations of personally profiting by millions from interest sell-offs per his involment in an oversight deal. See Wiki...

^involvement

And now the Democratic memo refuting Nunes's is not getting released.

Link to the story that R222 mentions.

Gee, what a fucking surprise.

Does Brand's position as third person at the Justice department require Senate confirmation? If not, I'm worried about her stepping down. They'll put some Trump lackey in there. Fire Rosenstein. Then put their lackey in charge of the Mueller investigation. Even if it does require Senate confirmation, they'd probably just end up doing a recess appointment and letting that person serve for whatever amount of time they are allowed to as a recess appointment (a year?) and having them fire Mueller before they are even confirmed.

She's a civil servant. I don't think Trump c an appoint just anyone from the outside.

Dems have been blocking recess appointments.

Usually these people who are third or fourth level down from the AG are technicians in a manner of speaking. They run the shop while the Attorney General shows off and politicks and the Director of the FBI and his crew work.

Meant to add that were it not for the incredible incompetence, corruption, and despicable political manipulation, by Trump & Sessions, most of the world would never hear of Rod Rosenstein or Rachel Brand or McCabe, the hottie.

The next in line after Brand is the Solicitor General who is a Trump appointee.

Whom I doubt wants to be the next Bork

The Solicitor General is the Government's attorney who represents the administration in litigation with the Supreme court. He is not "next in line after a third or fourth level civil servant. He is not part of the Justice Department chain of command.

So another appointee resigns over reports of Domestic violence. This guy is Sorensen and he reads like a real monster.

I wonder. I bet Melania could tell tales of domestic abuse. Maybe after all this time, she will come forward and sink trump.

I follow Sarah Smith on Twitter for legal analyses and her wide view of the entangled Russia scandals. She's had at least one thread on people in the intelligence community who may have been compromised by Trump's shenanigans, e.g., Russians who've been murdered or arrested following different meetings. Now this stand-alone tweet about a U.S. diplomat being attacked in Moscow outside the U.S. embassy.

Uh oh, Kelly. You in danger, gurl.

“🔥🔥🔥White House sources: Trump was absolutely livid today about media coverage of John Kelly, and has concluded that he’s become a real liability. The decision has already been made to fire Kelly or force his resignation. A frenzied effort is underway to choose his replacement.”

[quote]His written briefing has information about Russia but they omit that from his oral briefing because it upsets him.

God forbid the Commander-In-Chief should be 'upset.' That could really spoil his golf weekends.

[quote]Troll at [R111]. Do you not like it because you don't understand it, Vlad?

No, I did not like it because it’s a shitty, moronic pun. There is that clear enough for you, Gladys?

[quote]No, I did not like it because it’s a shitty, moronic pun. There is that clear enough for you, Gladys?

Thought so.

Obviously doesn't understand it.

So what is Kelly going to do? He had to have known it was coming.

I want John Kelly humiliated and sent packing asap!

What a fucking, lying ass, racist blowhard!

Release the memo!!! How upsurd that they will not release it tonight.

We already know everything that is in it. RELEASE THE MEMO!!!

Wow, Trump really doesn't give a shit about bad optics, does he?

[quote]Trump really doesn't give a shit about bad optics, does he?

He can't afford to, because there are no good optics, never have been. Only what he contrives to believe to get through his wretched days .

Let’s bring back #TarAndFeathers for these Republicans in Congress.

It continues to amaze me just how transparently guilty Trump is. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt... Yes, he's a disgusting human being, but he'll probably go down for the cover-up rather than the crime.

But now I think he may be guilty of far more than any of us suspect.

Innocent people do NOT behave this way.

The thing I find concerning, after watching all of this unfold, and seeing how quickly the GOP members of Congress did a complete turnabout last fall and suddenly they were all on the Trump bandwagon, where before so many of them openly hated him, I have to think there are some very powerful forces out here who are backing him now. what that means to me is that he will get better legal advice and better advice in terms of Federal regulations laws, etc. He's still an imbecile but now he has real backing. That, I find very scary. Because while the media is breathlessly covering the Trump sideshow, the rest of the powers that be, are fucking us up.

And as for Russia, yes they do things "incrementally" ut they have been setting this up, incrementally for several years. This was the year they really went forward with their treachery. They are like some cancerous tumor invading us, and it is going to be hell getting away from them, pushing back and making the changes we need. Members of Congress ought to be running around with their hair on fore and they aren't. There's no sense of urgency. We have to change that. They benefit from our ignorance and they fold when exposed so we have to start exposing them. Ryan is our #1 priority.

It seems that Congress has done a turnabout on Trump because so many of them have accepted Ru$$ian $upport also. The GOP is truly rotten to its very core, and they have sold us all out. America is now Putin's bitch, and our democracy is dead.

Not sure the fate of John Kelly but I never really believed the hype about him being the only adult in the room. I always found this clip troubling. It was definitely a red flag. It struck me as an awkward moment between two guys that have nothing in common with Kelly trying to suck up to a superior and trying to connect. It also strikes me as someone who was a closet deplorable the entire time.

r231.....fuck you.

Here is the line of succession for Attorney General......established by Loretta Lynch.

Kelly is an idiot.

Who won the Fake News Awards?

How would the Fake News Awards have worked anyway?

Fox News would have been conspicuously left off the list of nominees, obviously, which is essentially the State telling the Citizenry to ‘heed this one and only news source’.

When this crooked circus comes crashing down, wouldn’t Fox News having been declared as the only trustworthy news source and their deliberately having mislead the American public be proof of participation as a co-conspirator in an attempted coup?

Can Fox News Corp then be tried for treason?

If the commandant of the Marine Corps had an ounce of balls he’d strip Kelly of his rank, medals and pension. What a vile odious piece of shit. My nephew was a Marine and he is enraged by the tarring that the Corps is taking because of Kelly.

I know others have asked this question, but today is Saturday which brings a different set of DL posters and readers, so I will ask again.

If anyone has any idea, why has this story not gotten more traction? (posted below)

My God - the hell with collusion and obstruction - if there is enough evidence out there to at least strongly suggest that Russian Hacks could have affected the vote tallies in at least 3 of the states that went to Trump with the slimmest of margins - (out of at least 21) - why isn't it being more heavily investigated? If found conclusive, it would get rid of all these problems in one fell swoop! It would prove that Trump did not legitimately win, is NOT the choice of the American people, and therefore immediate steps should be taken to stop him from doing further damage! We can indict him for crimes later, but if we get him out, he will then have no power to stop Mueller's investigation, never mind all the harm he is doing to our environment, our economy, our National image.... I could go on for days!!!!!

Why hasn't Rachel covered it? CNN? If the election had gone the other way and Hilary was President, we know this story would take up 3 full hours on Fox every night!

If the government admits to hacking then what do we do constitutionally? A do-over?

....

Maybe the plan is to hand the 2018 elections to Democrats so they can completely shut Trump down for however long he remains in office and then we move on to 2020 and hope for the best.

So far, Germany and Canada have threatened Facebook if they don't clean up their trash/troll issues. Twitter to follow.

R254 makes an excellent point. At the very least we ought to take subtract the electoral votes from the three and really think about the other 18 too.

I think some group like the ACLU or the League of women voters or even the state Democratic party in each of the three states ought to file a lawsuit and demand the facts and ask that the electoral votes be reassigned to reflect the reality not the appearance.

We need to a.) demand paper ballots and b.) toss out the electoral college. Those two things would go a long way to ensuring valid, sane elections.

Not just the money they’ve taken, R247, but I have to think that Russia has their emails. And Putin isn’t just sitting on Ryan’s and Graham’s rossoto recipes.

R261 Of course Russia has their emails. I've been saying this since Sept 2016. They hacked both the Dems and Repubs. But the Dems emails for boring and gossipy, so it was fine to release them to cause a scare and to show who's boss. They purposely held on to the GOP's emails because they were SO MUCH JUICIER! Blackmail material! Of which we are now seeing the results!!

^^were boring, not for. sorry

Indeed. At a minimum, the Russians have the emails showing the Repubes were complicit in illegally taking Russian money ...

I'm not saying blackmail hasn't taken place, because it very likely has in some instances. But what we are experiencing is bigger than individual blackmail. It seems like they all heard some kind of "dog whistle" and simply stopped, turned around and began, like lemmings, walking towards the edge of the cliff to jump into the sea.

So IMO, they had a series of meetings and discussed the realities they were facing, that Trump, like him or loath him, was POTUS, & that they now ran both houses of Congress, and had an opportunity to shape the Judicial branch into their own image. They also had some realities pointed out for them in some extended discussions with their donors, and, as a result, were ordered by people like the Kochs & the Mercers to come up with a "governing strategy."

So IMO this is worse than blackmail, because these rotten fuckers made a conscious decision to support and enable this monster and to co-sign and participate in his treason and his corruption. If there was coercion, it was peer to peer coercion to "get on the bus."

R255, nope, there's nothing in the Constitution that allows for a do-over, not matter how corrupt an election. There might be something in federal or state election law, but it would end up at the Supreme Court, and we already saw the travesty of Bush-Gore they handed down.

R266 you may be right, but I would still contest it for no other reason than to test it and see. And maybe you are correct to suggest that it ought to start at the state level. But when you're contesting a federal election such as Congress, Senate, etc it has to be filed in federal court.

OK. So the Governor has to appoint electors. Those electors are really chosen by the state political party organization, itself and the go to Washington D.C. and vote in mid-December. Now one thing I'm fuzzy on is whether the vote is certified before or after or as the electoral college votes. But my thinking is that the election was certified based on incorrect information. So if a lawsuit was filed to examine the voting in a state where it can demonstrated that the votes were definitely hacked, then those electoral vote were made in error. I'm also wondering about coercion, intimidation, and bribery. Trump knew something, because when asked if he would conceded the election he said, " it depended."

Some times even though you know you will not win, it's good to challenge the system to show where it's broken and what we have to do to fix it. It appears not only did our election system fail us our laws did too.

Here's the thing: We could never have a do-over or any situation where a member of the opposing party (Dem) replaces Trump (or any GOP president).

Just think of the average intelligence of a a GOP / Trump voter. Then think of how the right would spin it. Then think of how many guns their base has. If Trump was taken out of office and replaced by any Dem, no matter how legitimate the reason, there would be a literal bloodbath. It would be the end of of country.

We just have to be patient, let the special prosecutor make a case, and vote like our lives depend on it this November and in 2020.

R267, I agree it would be worth pursuing, even if I doubt the outcome would be what we'd want to see.

As an aside: John Kerry apparently had an excellent case against Bush and the RNC over theft of his election (votes in Ohio definitely got flipped from Kerry to Bush, just like they got flipped from Gore to Bush, but Kerry didn't want to put the country through an extended court case. I wish he had. It might have finally exposed the GOP for the cheating, treasonous monsters that they truly are.

R270 are you sure about that? I thought Kerry pussed out because he wanted to keep his Senator seat.

What makes our situation so unique on 2016 is that it was a foreign government, an adversary hacked our votes. This is outrageous. It is literally an act of war, but too many people in and out of government are not taking cyber war seriously. To not impose and enforce the sanctions is, IMO, literally an act of treason. I'm waiting for some aggressive energetic Democrat in Congress to file something in court accusing Trump of treason and insisting Congress act to remove him from office. As I said earlier. We really don't need a full blown Mueller investigation to get rid of him. The fact that he also compromised our intelligence gathering abilities by divulging top secret information to the Russians during an Oval Office visit is another instance.

R271, not wanting to take it to court is what I remember. It could be he pussed out, I couldn't say.

Well, I think the point is would it have made a difference in the outcome, in 2004?

I remember reading that in 1960, Nixon had evidence and grounds to challenge the outcome of the Presidential election but chose not to put the country through a prolonged battle. Since Nixon was never known for his decency, I think the main reason was that he didn't have the money. After all I've read about Nixon it just sounds incredibly phony for him to have believed it wasn't worth challenging.

I'm fairly certain Kerry pussed out to keep his seat and it had nothing to with not wanting to take it to court. I remember my family being outraged that he conceded so quickly.

I've often thought that we get incontrovertible proof that the vote was altered and therefore the results are fraudulent, the way out is that Trump and Pence must resign, and then we start down the order of succession. Paul Ryan must refuse to take office, and thus Orrin Hatch becomes nothing but a caretaker and appoints a Democrat to serve as Vice President. Congress agrees to make no major policy changes, and will only act to make sure the government continues to function until the next election. True crises, like a financial collapse like 2008 or an attack on us or one of our allies will be dealt with. Neil Gorush will resign and Merrick Garland is confirmed in his place. Any further SCOTUS vacancies will be filled by judges recommended by a bipartisan panel made up of members of the Senate Judiciary committee and will be rubber-stamped. They will further agree to resign once a legitimately elected President takes office.

^nice but that would never happen.

GOP could give two flying fucks what is right. They'll continue operating by stealing it all. Thanks!

[quote]I've often thought that we get incontrovertible proof that the vote was altered and therefore the results are fraudulent, the way out is that Trump and Pence must resign, and then we start down the order of succession.

Such proof, if it did exist, would never be made public. The political infrastructure, Democratic and Republican, would cover it up to maintain public faith in the voting system.

R266, R267 But as brilliant and as prescient as they were, there is no way our American forefathers could have known about the computer age, and the possible ramifications. Someone is going to have to take this into consideration.

While I agree with you, R279, the only real recourse is an amendment to the constitution, which will be blocked by Republican partisans. The only short-term recourse is getting out the vote and then doing a real investigation and real measures to fight against such tactics in future elections.

[quote] If Trump was taken out of office and replaced by any Dem, no matter how legitimate the reason, there would be a literal bloodbath. It would be the end of of country.

Hardly, federal troops would quell any pockets of deplorable unrest, that is if they could even tear themselves away from NASCAR, beer, and opiates long enough to organize. I am tired of the "we have to fear them" rants. They are the ultimate underachievers in life

Keep in mind, too, that if Trump were to be removed from office, this, presumably, would be for such good reason that the only people left to protest would be down in the single-digit category.

Technically, the slate of electors are pledged to support the winner of the popular vote in a given state. They can, however, cast a vote for someone else. It has been done before with an individual here and there in different presidential elections. There is no legal precedent for them to re-assemble for another vote later due to a change of minds for whatever reason.

R265, I completely agree with your analysis. I think this is exactly what went down. I also continue to wonder why the "axis of evil" in the House of Issa, Gowdy and Chaffetz did a complete turnaround. Has to be blackmail or money. I do think Gowdy was paid Russia money to drag HC before the HIC multiple times to ensure she never got elected.

What R281 said. Deplorables are a lot of talk, like most bullies, and they are no match for the Feds.

The reaction of the Deplorables to a Trump resignation or impeachment is not something I'm concerned about. I don't care if they demonstrate or riot or WTF ever. The media has exaggerated their significance. They are a percentage of the people who identify as Republican. Maybe 30% or less and of that number very few will want to do more than get drunk and beat their wives.

Most of Trump's base watch Fox News who feed them pro-Trump/GOP propaganda. They believe Trump did not collude with Ru$$ia, and the real culprits are Hillary and Obama, the FBI and DoJ is saturated with partisan Democrats, or this is something both parties do equally or democrats do moreso. Trying to convince them otherwise, is basically fruitless. They are hypocrites, particularly the hard-core evangelicals, about DJT's antics and personal behavior. If it was any other politician, particularly a democrat, doing half his stuff, they would be outraged.

I do believe some of them, maybe 5% to 10%, shall change their tune if/when the initial shock of new indictments are delivered, and the specifics of the charges are announced. Even Fox News can spin that only so far; and the blame Hillary/Obama talking point lines deflate to grudges or just obvious sideshows fEttinger less aND lessential attention. The rest of his base, now 20-something %, will not budge in their support of Trump who is skilled in playing victim and verbose about fighting back, while pursing delay and undermining tactics. But they will remain a minority.

Ru$$ians accumulated dirt on both Republicans and Democrats in Congress. Many of those Republicans are trying to be low profile per the saga while others are actively trying to undermine the Mueller investgation, perhaps some to save their own hides. Some Republicans are content, though they won't acknowledge it, in letting the Democrats take the lead in seeking the truth. Some Democrats are also not speaking out much, either due to fearing some revelation that is personal, or they represent a district or state with substantial Trump support. Also, a deeper look at the operatives in the Sanders campaign and Jill Stein may be in order.

The Ru$$ians have been planning and collecting for this for years.

^....getting less and less attention.

(auto-spell gone haywire for a moment, pardon)

R262 hit the nail on the head

Hacking the GOP was insurance. The fact is, Putin wanted Trump to win, and even interfered in the Primaries to insure his victory. The Russians were spreading fake news and undermining GOP opponents of Trump's too. Yes they have been planning this for years, but they hand picked this piece of shit and were even considering a run for him back in 2011, for 2012, but decided to wait when it became clear there was no way they could smear Obama and get America to believe them. Interesting aside: Bernie was also considering a run in 2012, but decided against it...

Off topic a bit, but saw Kellyanne Conway on CNN with Jake Tapper. She appears to have had facial work done. Hope that doesn't mean we'll be seeing her more and more as this investigation intensifies.

She was also on ABC This Week, spewing her bile.

[quote]Just think of the average intelligence of a a GOP / Trump voter. Then think of how the right would spin it. Then think of how many guns their base has. If Trump was taken out of office and replaced by any Dem, no matter how legitimate the reason, there would be a literal bloodbath. It would be the end of of country.

Mary! at r269. what BS -they only morons who would take up arms are the idiots in deep red states like MS, AL, eastern KY and the like. It isn't going to happen in sane New England, the mid-Atlantic states, California or most the far west coast or other sane urbanized/modern areas. I live in one of these and have no fear of any large number of people creating a 'bloodbath' if Trump is replaced. Some rabble-rousing sure but no huge swell of troglodytes taking to the streets.

Let them run amok in their rural or deplorable areas - the National Guard and military can then roll in and take a large number of them out. Makes it a better place almost immediately imo.

That being said I don't advocate the notion of legally recalling or replacing Trump. Too complex, not supported by the Constitution. We can get him via indictment (fed or state) or similarly pressure him to step down, then vote like crazy to put the opposition in place this fall and in 2020.

Let them take up arms. The sooner the better. It's always best when armed rabble make themselves apparent asap.

Also for the Mary, grow some BALLS child. Whaddaya got that’s worth fighting for? This country IS worth the fight. This doesn’t mean I’m into violence. But what I’m saying is these people are CLASSIC bullies, which means they are actually pussies. Let them watch a few riots with a bunch of us beating their asses. Did you notice how many of them “rallied” after Charlottesville? No, you didn’t, because they were too busy changing their soiled panties to come out swinging. They are WIMPS who only respond to volume — watch how loud we can get. I have *zero* fear of them, like others have said, that’s all part of the propaganda. They are totally outnumbered in every way.

Several posters have done a great job summarizing what’s gone down in the Republican Party. They see that their only move is to “resist” justice. Great!!! Keep up with the slime you fuckers, your days are numbered. And I mean that. I really believe this might be it did the GOP; when you see articles in The Atlantic talking about going against the GOP, they are literally hanging by their fingertips from the cliff.

Oh, dear at r293, the type that always starts out bashing Mississippi. The Charlottesville's driver was from an urban area in Ohio. The Vegas shooter was not from Mississippi either, dear.

Mississippi was already Republican. Try Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Paul Ryan, Nunes, Johnson, Jeffords, McCarthy, etc. are not even from the south.

New York City produced and enabled Trump. The masses there did not vote for him by plurality, but it was their money, allowances, and enabling. Chuck Schumer, the Clintorns, and many other Democrat and Republican politicians, took his money and returned him favors going decades back. What was New York doing to quell the money laundering, and others as to his environmental exploits? That wasnt Jackson, MSs' job. Don't recall The Apprentice being produced in Meridian, Mississippi either., Never seen a Trump hotel or golf course in Mississippi either. BTW, the Rupert Murdoch Fox News propaganda machine is headquartered right in downtown Manhattan, not at Ole Miss. Blaming poor southerners for buying into Trump when that was evident more nation-wide is false simplification. That is not where the big money was The marketers of Trump and major financiers of Trump were based in NYC, not Tupelo. The New York, New Jersey, California, and Florida entertainment, real estate, and upper-crust social and mob networks, produced Trump; they need to account for it and take him back and own it.

The thing is that people STILL insist playing by the rule book (aka the Constitution) while Trump and the GOP shit on their copy of the rule book while Putin is cackling like a mad witch back in Russia.

Instead of dragging these fuckers out of the White House people insist that the Constitution will provide justice in due time. Like, when the entire US is burned to the ground and there is nothing more for Trump and the GOP to destroy, but they! The Constitution prevailed after all!

Trump and the GOP have no shame and no honor. And yet they are being treated with kid gloves instead of being tarred and feathered and carried out of Washington on railroad tracks.

R297, I half agree with you. The sense of outrage and the sense of urgency is not clearly seen and I'm very concerned about the fact that as we "play by the rules" these fuckers have a whole different game plan and the damage they can do or in some cases may do, might be irreversible. The House Intel Committee shenanigans are a perfect example. And now you can add to that the fact that Top secret clearances are regularly being violated, and "interim' " clearances are passed around like popcorn. The crimes of people who have broken the law(domestic assault and battery) are regularly suppressed and wholesale lying to everyone is accepted as normal. In fact we are beginning to accept too much as normal since we are being guided by the GOP Leadership in Congress that is part of this sordid conspiracy.

I saw some article yesterday that there is now "proof that Sarah Huckabee Sanders lied" when she said that James Comey was unpopular with the agents staff at the FBI, and people had been calling her to tell her how happy they were that Trump had fired him. Like this was news. That she lied and they could prove it. LOLOL!

"proof that Sarah Huckabee Sanders lied"

She was talking?

Isn't it about time to hang them all from cranes and beat them like piñatas?

Unfortunately I don't think candy and toys will burst forth from them r301.

[quote]That being said I don't advocate the notion of legally recalling or replacing Trump. Too complex, not supported by the Constitution.

Impeachment and conviction are totally supported by the Constitution.

Yes, but that's replacing one corrupt Republican (redundant, I know) with another. There's no concept of a do-over election in the Constitution.

I keep hearing how "brilliant" the founding fathers were, but all I see is an incredibly broken government owned by corporations, the wealthy, and hostile foreign governments.

R304, the founding fathers set forth to create and they were brilliant men compared to the 'tards we have today. Remember, they didn't have corporations and the shit we have today.

Well, since the founding fathers were wealthy and some were arguably in the thrall of foreign governments whose hostility could be seen as a relative thing, what exactly did you expect r304?

The Founding Father’s were indeed brilliant. But their general trust in human decency has allowed business interests (and the politicians in their pockets) to erode and pervert our governmental institutions, a little bit at a time.

When this nightmare is over, all those protocols and standards need to be codified into law. We can never again trust that politicians will behave responsibly and decently, nor that the American people will rise up and hold these would-be demagogues to a reasonable standard.

The problem is that the protections the founding fathers created never needed to be used before and so they have been ignored. The founding fathers created electors to protect against the masses electing a idjit. The electors failed. The founding fathers wrote the emoluments clause to protect against foreign influences and yet no one seems willing to enforce it.

r308.....thats not true.....if it were a democrat, there would be multiple hearings and investigations and the GOP would hold them up as a symbol of corruption from the left. Because its the GOP, and a good portion of them are corrupt, and their party over country politics, they remain silent.

I wonder how Chief Justice Roberts feels now about ruling to support Citizens United? The ruling unleashed all of this. Right now, as we speak, there is a hired gun from the Koch organization in an office inside the White House in a lawyers office and he is handling a lot of the policy and legislative initiatives in coordination with GOP Congressional leadership. That is a fucking fact. And just because the GOP chooses not to enforce the law does not make it any more legal. I sincerely hope the FBI or whom ever indicts Ryan and all these bastards. Hell the RICO statue needs to be invoked because the entire Republican Party is a criminal enterprise.

WTF?!?

A deplorable reaction to R311's story.

[quote]The devious , dishonest and despicable Democrap crimes are coming to light more and more with every new email disclosed ! They are so dishonest , they make third world dictators look like saints !

I love how they spin this stuff. Hilarious.

Someone has to explain to me why NUNES is acting like this - really?!

Double agent R313? Everything he's doing is totally fucking up.

Nunes is connected to Flynn. Nunes is probably dirty himself. He's been trying to distract from the Russia investigation to save his own hide. And, he's not all that smart. This craziness is Nunes pathetic attempt to save himself.

Nunez is a Central Valley (of California) moron.

Idiot at r296, with the screed about Trump's origins and the home states of his henchman: so what? we know where they're from. The discussion wasn't about that, it was re where the crazy NR loving gun-toters would go nuts, should Trump ever be pulled out of the WH and replaced. And as stated that's mainly the rural deep South, and other less-'developed' rural-ish areas of the country.

Hint: not the east-west coastal or modernized areas. No fears for the folks living there.

Nunes was in the meeting Flynn had about kidnapping that Muslim Cleric for Erdogan in Turkey.

r269 is a deplorable, trying to instill fear. A bloodbath? End of the country? Bitch, please.

The deplorables aren't gonna do a goddamn thing. They are far outnumbered, and they know it.

R293, r317 You dont appear well traveled or worldly, and your projection about idiocy is quite telling about you. When your south bashing, though you see it as popular with your own mini-version of perpetuating hate and divisiveness, is out of context, I will call you out on it. Rural southerners are not taking up arms against Democrats. Gun violence is way more active in urban areas, not in the "Delta". The potential to act with firearm aggression due to political passion and agendas are not confined to one region or based one socio-economic demographic in a particular state (s) either.

Wonder when Mueller will announce the next round of indictments.

Thx r314,r315, r318 - has Nunes been questioned by Mueller? He is flailing around like Carter Page - one of these two is going to have a Russian "accident" soon I suspect.

Former Senior FBI Official Is Leading BuzzFeed’s Effort to Verify Trump Dossier

For the last six months, a team led by a former top FBI and White House cybersecurity official has been traveling the globe on a secret mission to verify parts of the Trump dossier, according to four sources familiar with different aspects of the ongoing probe.

Their client: BuzzFeed, the news organization that first published the dossier on U.S. President Donald Trump’s alleged ties to Russia, which is now being sued over its explosive allegations.

R19 that's never going to happen.

George W. Bush, Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Obama who were all 1,000X worse than Trump is were never charged with anything.

Obama pretends to be such a nice and charismatic guy yet he's responsible for the death of thousands of people and stole away your rights and privacy by continuing the NDAA, Patriot Act, etc., sucked Monsanto's dick, Obama's bought and paid for corrupt ass let GMOs be let free unchecked into the wild!) and authorized the use of drones, among other treasonous acts.

"To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens" -Adolf Hitler

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed" -Adolf Hitler

"As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation" -Adolf Hitler?

Hitler sounds a lot like Obama.

Obama was the most useless and unprofessional president we have ever had. He either did nothing, and just went around the world appologizing, or he changed things and made them 1,000X worse in the case of how he continued the NDAA, Patriot Act, got us into lots of wars we do not need to be in, helped fund and arm IS, and sucked Monsanto's cock.

Democrats stopped being actually liberal/progressive decades ago, and are basically moderate Republicans now, both parties are the same and have been for decades. This is why I vote for the green party and have for decades.

R324 Stopped reading after the first nonsensical sentence. Who can be worse than Trump?

What color is the sky on your planet, R324?

Ours is blue, due to the nitrogen/oxygen combination of the atmosphere.

r324....truly delusional. Either a troll or a very damaged person who lives in an alternate reality.

[quote]Obama was the most useless and unprofessional president we have ever had.

Odd then that it took his administration to kill Osama Bin Laden. You'd think that G W Bush would have been rather keen to claim that scalp.

[quote]Someone has to explain to me why NUNES is acting like this - really?!

The first of trump's bastard children to pop out of the woodwork.

[quote] George W. Bush, Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Obama who were all 1,000X worse than Trump

That is a huge fucking lie and you should shut your fucking traitor mouth.

Oh, please, r330. Rein it in and laugh at the obvious stupidity.

R324 good God get help.

I blocked Grushenka at R324, but wow was that a wordy sock puppet. I hope she gets an extra serving of vodka and krokodil for her efforts.

Oh, for Christ's sake! Can we just FF and block the troll instead of letting it derail the thread? This happens all the time and some of you suck it up like a Hoover deluxe every damn time. You're adults!

People, you know what to do with R324.

R333 is equally fucking annoying.

Sanders is an idiot though, she was Bernie Sanders press secretary and made some very controversial statements during the elections. Anderson Cooper actually exposed her for the hypocrite she is.

I love how Judd Legum keeps at it in pointing out the lies in the current administration.

Plus, Judd is really cute!

You really can't even make this stuff up.

On the same day we learn that Trump has done nothing to prepare America for the 100% certain Russian cyber-attack predicted by all U.S. intelligence agencies, Sean Hannity would like you to search for hidden sperm in President Obama's Smithsonian portrait.

Ukraine called and wants it’s coup back.

It's means "it is." The possessive of it is its with no apostrophe.

R331, no I will not fucking "rein it in." I'm tired of seeing treasonous bullshit posted over and over again. Fuck that noise.

Then you're giving an obvious troll exactly what he's looking for, R343. He's looking for attention and he's looking for someone to be totally outraged. Congrats: you provided both.

I don't agree R344. If you let trolls run around unopposed they eventually set the tone for your community, which will either change it irrevocably, or destroy it by driving its members away. And as far as being outraged; this is just me being kinda pissed, outrage is still a long way off.

I don't know. On the one hand yes, with a normal troll, arguing with it gives it what it wants. However, if it's a Russian troll... I've found here on DL once it gets called it, it typically stops for awhile.

So it depends on what you're dealing with.

Oh, and yes, if a troll is persistent and oblivious then there's not much you can do but ignore it and move on. I don't agree with leaving them completely unopposed, though.

[quote]I don't agree R344.

I was referring to the outrage. Never let a troll see that. It positively validates their existence. And yes, that is the behavior of a sociopath.

Laugh at them, mock them, calmly point out just how stupid they are, or ignore them.

[quote]The fact is, Putin wanted Trump to win, and even interfered in the Primaries to insure his victory.

Yeah, with Comrade Bernie and Comrade Stein playing their roles brilliantly!

And don’t point out Russian Trolls’ oh so obvious linguistic mistakes.

Don’t help them get better.

Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush experienced cyber attacks, fake social media accounts, and "investigations" into their past all thanks to Boris, Natasha and Vladimir.

R348, gotcha, I didn't consider it outrage, but yeah, I could see how a troll could think they'd gotten under my skin.

R350 seriously, you don't even have to worry about that. They're lazy and drunk and pointing out their mistakes for years has never helped them get any better at it.

You're ruining the thread responding to the troll more than the stupid troll is ruining the thread. Just stop.

R364 And you're ruining the thread by complaining about others ruining the thread. Hey, guess it's a slow treason day.

Democrat Margaret Good Flips Seat in Florida, the 36th Democratic Flip Since Trump’s Inauguration:

She won by a margin of nearly 8 points in a district that went for Trump by about 5.

[quote]the tone for your community

What is the "tone" you desire for the DL "community"?

Personally, I choose B Sharp.

This thread must be what reading twitter is like.

It's clear that the alt right is looking at threads like this one and try to stir up some shit and then point at the posters responding to their troll posts and claim "just look at these unhinged, socialist Liberals! The are the real Nazis!".

[quote]—A whole lotta dumb

Fascinating.

It's never a slow day for treason. We ought to be out here looking for info on social media...from credible sources so we can share and speculate,

And people like Nunes &Gowdy don't exist in a bubble. Let's find some dirt!

my Twitter news feed are the best. I'm up to speed on developments after reviewing them and reading articles. Takes me about 15-20 minutes. I don't just follow news feeds from places like CNN, etc.I follow individual reporters and interestingly, people like Sciutto and Acosta say things on twitter that they don't say on the air. They're far more derisive and critical on twitter. I follow the guy who wrote Art of the Deal, Tony Schwarz, and Gabe Sherman, and Sam Stein, Gary Johnson, Malcolm Nance, Joy Reid, Maddow, O'Donnell, etc. and people like that as well as Raw Story, Palmer Report (although he gets silly) and even John Dean who really kicks ass. So does Paul Krugman. Lots of great stuff on Twitter and if you watch a few of the news shows every week on MSNBC you can find other good journalists and "experts" to follow.

When exactly was the last indictment? I've forgotten at this point.

Watching excerpts from the Intelligence hearings yesterday, I have to admit., Christopher Wray is my new crush.. I was embarrassed to find him hot since he was a Trump appointee, but he has proven to be a stand up guy. I loved the way he deftly handled Tom Cotton's questions, and how he demolished Kelly's assertions and the WH timeline on Porter. The White House lies so much they forget they remind me of the little kid who closes his eyes to pretend he's invisible. And the semi sarcastic way Wray said, "we do have more than two investigations going on at the FBI" and applauded his agents and the 27,000 employees who work hard every day to try to keep America safe. He is taking no shit.

Sometimes I have this fantasy where some of the people who were there with Obama 's administration are reaching out to civil servants way down the pecking order, and giving them advice on how to deal with stuff since Trump has so many vacant positions in his administration.

I also hope the international intel community, our allies in Germany, France & the UK are trying to give us support and help to keep us safe because we have a POTUS who doesn't even read his daily Intel briefing and refuses to hear anything bad about Russia. They even admitted that since it upsets him so much they write down the Russia stuff (which he never reads) but the put other stuff in his "oral report" which he gets sometimes around 11 AM if he's in the mood, which most days he isn't.

R365 & R366 is me.

R362 OMG! We practically have an identical list, (maybe we're soul mates? lol).

I've been following Tony Schwartz and Nance and the MSNBC anchors for a long time. It didn't occur to me to check out Jims Acosta and Sciutto's feeds. I will now. Thanks for that!

For you, may I suggest you add to your list: Seth Abramson, Kyle Griffin, David Corn, David Frum and Former Ethics Chief for Obama, Walter Schaub. I also occasionally check Louise Mensch. I know she's nuts and can be wildly inconsistent, (Malcolm Nance detests her!, I've never been able to find out why), but she does occasionally have some great information that ends up checking out weeks later.

Let me know.

r368....they hate LM because she pointed out that Jamali who is friends with Nance and Reid was listed as an agent for Mike Flynns security company.....questions I would raise as well considering his commentary regarding Flynn, espionage and treason.

Thank you!

R368, I have all of those except Walter Schaub Thanks. Natasha Bertrand is really great so is Evan McMullin, Richard Painter, Jill Wine-Banks, Mike Farb1 from Unhack the Vote, Mark Miller, Scott Dworkin, Heidi Przybyla, and Clint Watts. Following individual journalists means you can push them to go after a line of inquiry. I follow Eric Holder and Hillary, too. I follw maybe 350 people and news outlets. Twitter can be weaponized for the good guys too, so use it!

OK. I was just thinking. I HOPE I'm wrong. Maybe I'm getting too paranoid. A week or so ago, Pompeo said there was no question the Russians interfered with our election and will do it again and are active right now. This was repeated many times by other Intel leaders at the Senate hearing that was televised yesterday.

I Trust no one. So I ask myself. Why would Pompeo, a political hack & a Trump loyalist be so open about this all of a sudden? Why so open about the fact the Russians are still active? Can it be that they know they are facing a tsunami from the Dems in November?

They know right now they are going to get pasted? That we will show up in such overwhelming numbers and raise so much hell, that the only way they will be able to explain it to their base is to say Russia hacked the vote and maybe they'll try to invalidate our votes? They always project what they're doing onto their opponents, accusing us of their crimes.

Pompeo has always publicly made those statements....that doesnt mean he believes it, just that he knows he needs to say it to placate people. One disappointment during the hearings is that not one Senator questioned Pompeo about the secret meeting with Russian intelligence heads a few weeks ago....including one who is banned from entering the US, especially since Trump was advocating for a joint Russian/US intelligence program. Highly questionable in my opinion.

Pompeo added a caveat that they will have minimal or no impact on our elections.

Oh, lol you mean like the last time, r374?

It ain’t over until the porn star sings. And she will sing tomorrow as this school shooting story ebbs.

Is she giving an interview or something?

R376 It's a double whammy for the Trumpies today. But they are so used to defending the sad sack by now... it's just another Wednesday.

OK. New wrinkle. Trey The Snake Gowdy is doing interviews again. He was a prosecutor. He had zero tolerance for domestic abuse. He always believed the victims even when others did not! He's going to hold hearings as chair of oversight!!!!!! How did this guy even get any job with a record of Domestic Violence much less inside the White House!!!!! There are "all kinds of things " that aren't right about this situation and he is going to start asking questions....and that includes the FBI.

OK. I think that's a pretty accurate paraphrasing of his commets. My guess is Gowdy wants to be the Attorney General...once Sessions is moved out. He is a real snake and gives people the impression he is on their side then he springs his trap and shows you he is Mr Benghazi!!!!! He'd be terrible as Attorney General. I think now would be a good time to start investigating him and Nunes to find out where they get their money. Gowdy has big plans and wasting time in the House isn't part of them.

Gowdy brings extreme partisanship into his committee prosecuting/investigative/oversight committee roles. He's a Koch boy through and through.

Apparently the Congressional Republicans want the Ru$$ians to do it at leat one more time, for 2018 midterms.

^least (sp.)

The State Newspaper, The National Enquirer, has a screaming cover headline that "OBAMA and HILLARY FORCED FBI to investigate Trump!"

Hillary STILL. She has never been the President and she's not now!

That's all they can do is talk about Obama's "nebulous" place of birth and then Hillary, Hillary, HILLARY.

Well if the Dem's Blue Wave actually materializes and we take out a few Republicans and regain one of the houses of Congress, you better believe the GOP is going to be screaming fraud and Russian interference. I'd bet money on it. Trump & the GOP will go as far as they can to keep control. THey aren't going to go easily or quietly. I hope the Dem have lawyered up and have the funds and the On The Ground Strategies to monitor these elections to make sure this shit is as clean as possible. And we can prove it in court if we have to. In fact I'd love to bust some Republican plotters whoa re trying to sabotage our elections. That would be great.

I hate to be shallow and petty. But Watching Rachel Maddow tonight I cannot help noticing her fake eyelashes. I'm serious. Who ever did her eyes is playing acruel joke on her. They are horrible and they are a huge distraction. If you doubt me put MSNBC on RIGHT NOW. you'll see I'm right.

^ I believe they are trying to give her just a splash of lipstick lesbian. And it is SO not working. But she used to wear so little eye makeup. If I were doing her make-up I would bring her eye shadows back to earth tones and instead give her a pop of color on the lip. A matt color.

I wonder if more makeup is in reaction to the fact that she got a haircut last week that was a bit too short for them to even fluff it up enough to feminize it. She's beautiful. They should just make her look natural and balanced. She has great eyes, no matter what they do to them.

Well her eyes used to look just fine and now these fakes and they look so cheap and shitty.Like she bought them at some dollar store and put them on herself. Gross. Someone should tell her.

I heard the author David Cay Johnston interviewed on NPR today. He wrote "It's Even Worse Than You Think: What the Trump Administration Is Doing to America." It was a shocking and riveting interview. He's been chronicling Dirty Donald for decades. I plan to order the book, it details much of Trump's criminal behavior and is pretty scary stuff.

R389 He's on the MSNBC shows quite a bit. As far as you know, (in a couple sentences if you can), did he discuss anything he hadn't previously discussed on air?

Check out David Cay Johnston's twitter feed. He's railing on Sean Hannity! Love him more now than before.

R390, I'm not aware f having heard him speak before. I do watch MSNBC but I do not watch a lot of TV in general. I'll pay closer attention, I'd like to hear more of his views.

R390, I’m not that poster, but I don’t think Johnston brings up anything “new” about Trump’s criminal background. I read his biography on Trump about a year ago (the audio version for a road trip). I think what’s different about this second book is he highlights the policy-making and the policy-changes from his administration.

Thanks R393. That's what I figured. So often I'll get one of these books or watch a Frontline documentary, but because I watch way more cable news than most, for me there is no new information so I end up feeling I've wasted my time.

It bears repeating today of all days...

So the NRA is a russian backed terrorist organization.

That sure explains A LOT!!!

More than 130 political appointees working in white house didn't have permanent security clearances as of November 2017, including Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and Don McGahn, according to internal documents obtained by NBC News.

Matt Yglesias: Okay guys. I’m starting to think that some of the passion Republicans mustered a couple of years back about scrupulous by-the-book handling of classified information wasn’t entirely sincere.

I have to believe our Intelligence community does not share as much Intel with Trump as they have with previous Presidents. I also have to believe they don't even share it with Pompeo, who is a Trump loyalist and a fucking hack. This deep state shadow government Trump and his gang keep complaining about? I hope it exists and it's protecting us in every single federal agency and Cabinet level Department, our own "alt" staffers doing the work of patriots. Fuck Trump.

SHECRET SHPERM

I'd like to know how long the NRA has been getting money from the Russians or any other foreign government to advance their interests.

With all of Trumps posturing and tweets about this shooting (and others) being the result of mental illness, one would think someone would call out the fact/hypocricy that the very first "law" Trump signed was to repeal an Obama law banning mentally ill individuals from purchasing firearms. This is why the media fails at times.

You know, I've noticed with CNN that the media seems to tilt a little more to the right during the day. I wonder if it it's a trend or was it just a few days when I was home sick that I noticed this.

If the Russians hacked both Republicans and Democrats then they [italic] know [/italic] why, Ivanka, McGahn, Porter, Jared, and other top level Trump officials can’t qualify for full security clearances.

And you better know they’re using it.

^whay exactly do you mean by that? That those players are being blackmailed by Russia? Anything is possible.

Here’s what frustrates me more than anything else. The narrative REALLY is the driver, to almost ALL of this, and we are currently *losing*. We’ve all always known that the narrative is what wins at the end of the day. But then WHY, oh why oh why, won’t the mainstream use that power more effectively???? I find it hard to believe it’s just because it is run by some Republicans. There are a LOT of pissed off conservatives. We have threads naming them all. So why the fuck aren’t we seeing yuge exposes on the NRA and Russia? Why no protests of the NRA ties to Russia??? And that is just one example of dozens of stories that should be getting *weeks* of coverage, not just a 30-second mention. Is it possible that Russia got its filthy hands into our media too?

Remember that Time cover of the WH being slowly but ominously overtaken by the Russian flag or whatever? It’s really happening. And it’s confusing and terrifying. And where in the FUCK is Mueller? I’m not relying on him any longer, we can only use the elective process to fix this BUT, I still want Mueller to get the truth to the people! Where is he?

I think it’s awesome that we have places like DL and social media to talk. But I’m very disheartened that MSM isn’t aggressively shifting their coverage. I don’t believe in being an alarmist, but if there were ever a time that the MSM should actually freak people out, it is RIGHT NOW. Trump is freaking out people by the god damned hour, so if you’re in MSM and you’re reading this, it’s time to light the panick fuse! It is your patriotic duty to convey to Americans just how dire this is. Those of us who actually read and follow the news *know* that you guys have sooooooooo much more you’re sitting on. Do you love this country? Then fucking DO something. Throw a fucking Molotov at these fuckers, let’s GO!

Um, MSM, it’s time to light the panick fuse!!!! You love this country? Throw a Molotov cocktail at these fuckers! Let’s GO!

[quote]I believe they are trying to give her just a splash of lipstick lesbian. And it is SO not working. But she used to wear so little eye makeup. If I were doing her make-up I would bring her eye shadows back to earth tones and instead give her a pop of color on the lip. A matt color.

They can always go back to her "roots..."

It is quite simple. People who have had mob dealings, involved in financial scams and money laundering, and are agents in behalf of Mother Russia; should not get security clearances.

Bannon gave TWENTY HOURS of testimony to Mueller this week.

Rick Gates plea deal most likely!

Why are all these people taking plea deals when there was clearly no wrongdoing? Trump hired the BEST people. He told us so. He even gestured with his tiny little hands for emphasis!

All these shootings and Trump picks this one to "addess the nation" Did he think he would distract us from his Security clearances problem, or from Mueler or from Kelly's fuck ups and lies? Really? He addresses the Nation and never mentions Gun Safety ? He's a piece of shit. President Shithole.

[quote] I'd like to know how long the NRA has been getting money from the Russians or any other foreign government to advance their interests.

Probably since before the ink was dry on the Citizens United ruling.

Hmmmmmm...

@MaggieNYT and @kenvogel report some Trump inaugural committee $$$ went to Apprentice producer Mark Burnett, who was involved in producing inaugural activities - and whose unaired Trump footage never saw light of day

Chuck Grassley was the chief sponsor of the legislation that passed last year and Trump signed that allows mentally ill people to buy guns. There are photos of Trump signing the bill but after being asked more than a dozen times, CBS, was told by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, that the photo would not be released. This was the most significant piece of legislation Trump signed last year. Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are pounding it home, highlighting it talking it up.

They're also going after Melania's friend for the $26 Million she got for helping wit the inauguration. yeah. $26 Million.

[quote]They're also going after Melania's friend for the $26 Million she got for helping wit the inauguration. yeah. $26 Million.

Some are speculating that this money is earmarked for Melania — part of a deal she cut not to divorce Donald until after his presidency.

[quote]Rick Gates plea deal most likely

Matthew Yglesias: Weird that people keep pleading guilty in this nothingburger investigation

Well, you know, blah blah blah blah Hillary blah blah blah blah Obama blah blah blah blah Deep State.

I tried to post in the comments section of the DailyFail, but strangely, they won’t post my comments about the GOP lol. I saw they had a great article about one of the mothers of the shooting victims going Full Metal Jacket on Donnie John. It was GREAT, but sadly, all the comments are as per usual, attacking Obama and Hillary. They blame Chocolate President for the shooting. Hmmmmm, ok retards. They blame FBI, Obama, Hillary, and then fellow citizens for not paying better attention to the “signs.” All the students are saying they will boycott his visits with tweets like “don’t come here you fucking piece of shit, we don’t want your “prayers” we want action.” It was great.

Well, strap down because some shit is gtting ready to go down. my Detector is working over time. First there's Gowdy chatting up the Media. And any investigation he does in his committee will involve investigating the FBI and criticizing the clearance process. Then you had Grassley today attacking and criticizing the Department of Justice for something else. and so forth, My speculation is that the Senate is backing away from Sessions and will allow Trump to fire him, and then.....surprise!!!!..... Trey Gowdy will be the new Attorney General. And he will get through those hearings in record time. The only ones who will oppose him will be Dems. Now if Gowdy senses that the Dems will wipe the floor of the House with Ryan's ass in November, he may opt for a federal judgeship and just go on home.

OMG ^ please no

shit is hitting the fan now.

Wifebeatergate

Sloppy was interviewed for 20 hours

Rick Gates close to a flip deal

Sarah Sanders is revolting

Deplorable school massacre

R414 I watched 5 hours of Fox News tonight, (Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham). They did not report that. So it can't be true.

^^you all know I'm joking, right? (although it's not funny).

R418 "but sadly, all the comments are as per usual, attacking Obama and Hillary. "

I'm assuming you know Russian Bots infiltrate most of these sites, (as they've been doing the past couple years although we only recently were confirmed of this). Just pointing out it may not be stupid American Trumpsters as most of us believe.

I actually questioned that, r423, but after three rereads, I decided you were being funny lol.

R419 That sounds pretty plausible. Ugh!

R424, you know what? I’m so worn down by all of it, that I sometimes forget. I’m embarrassed to say that, but it does sometimes happen. I actually appreciate you saying it though, because it restores some of my faith in humanity. I think they are a much smaller group than we’ve been led to believe, and it shifts how I respond to it emotionally. Thank you, anonymous friend.

R427 It's nice when I try to make a point and somebody actually gets it. Thank YOU!

Trump's culpable compromise around gun carnage is epitomised by one of his most grotesque remarks: that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it, given his popularity.

No one sane and mature with an ounce of social awareness would even think that, let alone say it, let alone in public. Can't recall if that was just quoted on record, or if film exists. Nonetheless The President said it, and given these horrific times, it must not be forgotten.

You know R429 the way he said it makes me think he has gotten away with murder - just not out in the open on Fifth Avenue.

Good point R430

[Quote]Sarah Sanders is revolting

She certainly is!

When you first said Sarah was revolting I thought you meant "repulsive" which she is. But are you suggesting she is revolting as in "rebelling"? Zbecause that would add to the chaos and anything that adds to the chaos is wonderful in my eyes.

[quote]But are you suggesting she is revolting as in "rebelling"?

She may be on one point at least – reports say she's tired of defending John Kelly on the Rob Porter scandal and is demanding that he appear before the press to do it himself.

[quote]She stinks on ice

I would have sworn you said "she sinks on ice".

There are threads that the Rusher' Trolls would be most welcomed: The Amazing World of Luke Evans; and the pussy threads of Kellyanne, Sarah, and "Mother" Karen. That's plenty for them to comment and critique.

R434 I wonder if she's just doing Dump's work for him? Help push him out because that's what Dumpy wants.

You're being heavily trolled in this thread, people. And it's a pretty good troll. But f you hit ignore, half the posts will disappear.

LOL! The RussianBots a the trolls remind me of Arnold Schwarznegger's character in Terminator. He had all these programmed responses and stuff and at some point they no longer work. The Russians have studied us and think they know how to react and what to say and they fail miserably.Their problem, is that they based their responses and comments on what they learned about "most Americans" in a particular demographic, and really, we're not all that stupid.

what number(s) r438?

Got my blocking thumb ready.

So Mueller just announced indictments of Russians. This will confirm in the minds of the public t hat Russia was indeed involved and they can prove it in a court of law.

R441 And more importantly, who the Russian conspired? Trumpies should be scared.

WHAT r441????? That sounds big, but I don’t want get shattered.....

Happy Year of the Dog!

Yo bitches!!!!! Mueller delivered a huge game-changing, dare I say, CHECK MATE move. It’s on! I think today just sealed Mueller’s ability to complete this investigation!!! I’m so happy!

Well this is sure going to ruin Trump's weekend golf game.

No Collusion! Corrupt Fisa! Lock Her up!

R445 Yes, it shows Mueller has enough evidence to prove conspiracy by indicting the Russian side, and that leaves the Trump side to decide their own fate. They have very limited choices.

[quote]Well this is sure going to ruin Trump's weekend golf game.

Tomorrow's tweets should be comedy gold.

R448 I haven’t read the indictment. But apparently it says there aren’t signs of collusion. Can someone please elaborate on that? I can’t read it right now, but I’m DYING to know more — are Trump and his cronies getting a pass on the collusion? That’s the only part that sounds like bad news.

Rosenstein said that these indictments don’t offer proof that any American joined in on the Russian efforts. He didn’t say that didn’t happen, just that there’s nothIng in these specific indictments that says. Trump will say this clears him, I bet, but that’s not what’s actually being said.

Nichole Wallace just said that she would like to know iabout Cambridge Analytica's connection to these thirteen indicted Russians. Wonder if Rebekah Mercer will be called forth to answer questions from Mueller's team?

Good Nichole brought it up.

It doesn’t say there was “no collusion.” It merely says that there was unwitting American help on [italic] THIS [/italic] set of indictments.

Bingo, R453. I noticed that, too.

Please provide a post to reference so we all know who is trolling and taking up half this thread. If you're going to say that you need to provide the inof.

Thank you r453. You’ve also prepared me for the FakeNews headlines this weekend. They’re going to say that no US citizens were involved or they would have been in the indictment.

If people believe the Trump side was "unwitting" from beginning to end of the Russian conspiracy even with documented contacts between both sides, then they have already sold their souls to the orange devil.

[quote]Sarah Sanders is revolting

Like others, I thought you meant physically repulsive.

Rachel's eyelashes look good tonight!!!! She must read DL.

her show must be quite a doozy tonight.

She skipped her vacation to come back and report on this

From another thread:

An irony that might come out of this:

All the news that is breaking now Mueller knew weeks ago. For some reason I have no theory about, he timed it to come out today. All this past week, he's been interviewing Steve Bannon. So all this shit from Bannon that Mueller has learned this week, we'll find out - well - maybe 3 weeks from now? (if ever). Think about Bannon. His plan was to back Trump and get Trump to support his White Supremacist Agenda. Bannon's policies is what most of Trump's detractors hated about Trump. Why most of us were terrified of Trump becoming POTUS, especially when Bannon himself was given an important WH position. But, what we've learned about Bannon from Wolffe's book, (and other sources), is that he most likely had little if anything to do with Russia. Again, he had his own agenda to push and Trump was just the means to his end. He accomplished most of what he wanted, then was thrown out by all, (including Rebeccah Mercer, his financial backer). But he got great insight into all things Russia. He's a vengeful, vindictive POS. He probably spilled all to Mueller this week. He might end up sort of being the "hero" in this huge mess, (for lack of a better word). The white supremacist turns on Trump, spills all about Russia, and thanks to Bannon, it's how we finally get rid of the Orange Turd.

Not a great writer so I hope you were all able to follow. If someone can articulate it better than me, please be my guest. :)

From earlier today—please let somebody have recorded it ...

R463 Thank you! That's juicy!!

Thanks R463, made my night!

They may have been blocked from recording, but unless he shoots them all and throws the bodies in a ditch, they’re going to tell. I can hardly wait.

I KEEL YOU!

Hell hath no fury like a Slovenian hooker scorned.

Two bit hooker mad when she finds out another hooker got three bits for less time.

The only reason she is pissed because of the money lol.

Tara Setmayer was ripping Melania to shreds on CNN/Don Lemon's show tonight. Discussing why she doesn't feel sorry for her. Anyone see it? I'd post a clip if there was one. It was pretty great!

Jill Wine-Banks, ex-Watergate prosecutor, says Mueller's indictment of 13 Russians for election interference is the tip of the iceberg and represents just one aspect of the overall Russian interference effort. Ari Melber & Benjamin Wittes join Lawrence O'Donnell.

What's the Twitter about? I can't access it on the iPad.

R472 Dump invited a bunch of Reporters on to Air Force One and then had to kick them all off when he and the first prostitute got in to a screaming match.

Miss Jill Wine-Banks IS glamour

The money quote from Rachel tonight:

[quote]The biggest surprise me personally was that, hearing these charges and hearing what they were charging these Russians for, it was the first time that I felt, like finally, finally, for the first time since we realized all this was happening, finally it feels like somebody is defending us. And going after them. And taking seriously what they did. And not incidentally, showing what this adversary is designed for, and capable of, and still working on for our election this year. Finally, somebody is defending us and taking it seriously, and doing something about it.

R475 - I felt like Rachel was really fighting to stay in control when she said that. She was really emotional, fighting back welling up. And I don't blame her.

I saw her. She's merely expressing what so many of us are feeling. When the indictment were announced this afternoon and I was watching the analysis of it all, I got verklempt. And you know what, I actually started crying. I thought about Hillary, and what they did to her, and how it has impacted all of us. I thought of Paul Ryan and our GOP Congressional leaders who are supporting Trump and all this vile evil shit, and I swear, I'm going to fight with every breath in my body to resist and make sure these rotten fuckers are driven out of government. All of them. Trump, his advisors, his cabinet, all his appointments and most of all every rotten fucking GOP member of Congress. This year and forever more I will vote Democratic. I don't care if I'm voting for a trained seal, I will never vote Republican again in my life. Their behavior and participation in this is Treason. All of them. Fuck them.

You're not the only one R477.

Well, white women put him into office. Its on their hands to make things right in my book. I didn't vote for the Cheeto. Women need to stop swooning over their husbands political views as more valid than their own. They dont trust other women yet so gullible when a man is involved.

Preach R479!

More white men voted for Trump than white women, R479, you knob.

R479 is correct. More white women voted for Trump than voted for Hillary R481. It wasn't by a huge margin like white men, but nevertheless they put him over the top, them and the Russians.

Thanks for mansplaining it, R482, but if more men than women voted for Trump (as I said), why the fuck are you gonna blame women for it?

Something that fascinates me about these indictments is that they very subtly suggest that Mueller has either a mole inside the Troll Farm or he has access to their emails and communications. I think Mueller dropped this hint on purpose. If people from the Trump campaign were in contact with the Russians, they’ve got to be sweating bullets knowing he has their emails and now they’ve got to be considering going to Mueller to cut a deal. Very clever.

There is a 14th unnamed co-conspirator:

[quote]Special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment names 13 Russians as conspirators in election interference. But there is an unnamed 14th. The indictment lists an anonymous, unindicted man as a “co-conspirator” who joined with the named Russians who applied for American visas under false pretenses. The co-conspirator made it into the country. Months after Krylova and Bogacheva’s road trip, this anonymous Internet Research Agency operative spent five days in Atlanta and sent colleague Sergey Polozov “a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses.”

Any ideas who it could be?

This was a full-on tactical operation on American soil.

This was a brazen an act of war. That is finally sinking in with people over this weekend. This attack was sophisticated and successful. They are here on our soil pulling these stunts and ZERO LOCAL OR REGIONAL MEDIA, LET ALONE NATIONAL MEDIA was able to catch it while it was happening.

All of the investigave media and all the law enforcement in this country missed it while it was happening?

NOBODY WAS ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC WHILE IT HAPPENED?

WHY WERENT THEY CAUGHT IN THE ACT??

why are we JUST NOW being presented this information?

We were usurped and NOBODY NOTICED ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!

THE RUSSIANS JUST WALKED IN TO THIS COUNTRY AND PUT THEIR GUY IN CHARGE, NOW THEY HAVE THE NUCLEAR CODES!!!!!

They have all of our technology and are busy cloning all of it if they haven’t already.

It seems CHINA helped them or had their own operation going as well.

SO THE USA WAS CHOPPED UP AND SOLD AND WE ARE THE LAST TO KNOW.

And Rachel Maddow deserves a god dammed Pulitzer, a Nobel prize and a Purple Heart.

They just don’t make quality journalist like her anymore.

White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley today:

"There are two groups that have created chaos more than the Russians and that’s the Democrats and the mainstream media,” Gidley asserted on Fox News.

"[They] continued to push this lie on the American people for more than a year, and frankly Americans should be outraged by that."

They really have no shame.

it’s just down to good vs evil at this point.

East vs West.

"The indictment made me realize for the first time that someone in government was, finally, taking seriously Russian interference in our democratic processes."

R486, I agree. But part of the problem is that our country is so full of lunatics, that the Russians are able to completely stay camouflaged. Hell, I’m not a *total* idiot but I have money to the Jill Stein recount! (I actually still support investigating the votes, but god damn, I want to slit my wrists for giving that wench money). I can’t think of another poster here in DL who has confessed to getting snowed like that, but it’s time for all of us to be humble so that we can learn and not repeat our mistakes. It is very VERY difficult to determine who are “real” citizens in a virtual world. I barely use social media at all, and I’m so thankful.

I think law enforcement will be able to crack down on the most obvious fakes, but what about more subtle fakery? When it’s happening during an election cycle and directed straight at a candidate, it’s easier to spot. But when it’s *between* election cycles, and it’s say, focused on an *issue* instead of a person, it’s harder. I’m not sure what the answers are. The only thing I know to do is stay engaged, be an activist. Perhaps one thing we can focus on is education. I realize teachers have enough problems, but students need to be given the skills to sniff out online propaganda. This had never been more important.

R486 - I’m with you!

I hear what you’re saying and think caps are entirely appropriate here -

Why is no one screaming it from the rooftops?

We are at war. Cyberwar. So no bombing or tanks rolling through the streets (yet!) - but we are nonetheless at war.

And all we can hope is that the actual patriots involved in this - Team Mieller - the rest of the intel agencies - the bulk of the judiciary - are smarter than the enemy - and able to outguess, outmanoeuvre and out-strategise the Russians - who have clearly put a lot of time and effort - and money into this! - so they’re having to play catch up pretty quick!

My hope - belief! - is that when it’s done, the Republican Party as it is will lie in ruins.

I skew left - but I do believe there needs to be lots of rigorous argument and many differing points of view in a democracy to keep it healthy. But the current republican crew are toxic and corrupt. And think many, many of them will eventually be shown to have taken money or have other skeletons on their collective closets - quite probably also illegal! - that made them susceptible to blackmail.

They clearly have no shame, scruples or compassion. And hope the traitorous bastards get what’s coming to them.

Bit one thought that keeps occurring to me - the common theme here is money. It’s always about the money. And even the players who have millions don’t want to stop and aren’t satisfied intil they have billions and live like Russian oligarchs. This is fucking sick! Look at where it’s lead us all!

Can anything be done in future to rich person-proof the government? Really - the needs of the many in the country should outweigh the few. But it ain’t happening -

People like the Mercers and the Koch Brothers pull way too many strings for their own benefit. But how can we ensure otherwuse? (I mean - in a bloodless way! Not a French Revolution solution for example! - or does it eventually come down to that?)

R484 - I’ve wondered about this also - whether Mueller had a mole in the trollfarm or whatever -

But I kind of assumed the trollfarm that was busted was the one the Dutch intelligence was able to infiltrate and spy on for so long - they even control the facility’s security camera! - and then passed the info on to the American intel people -

Who then passed it to Trump’s team - and soon after the operation got busted and ended.

Imagine that!

But can any of us possibly imagine what all the allied western governments and their various intel agencies must now be thinking?

Every shred of info they have that would normally have been shared with the US must now be analysed and there must be constant decision about whether or not they deem it safe to share in the light of who now rules the roost. This is decades of intelligence agencies working together - trust and cooperation - all down the toilet. At least while the Cheeto is in the WH. While that’s the case - it all goes straight back to the Russians.

And remember: an article appeared the other day saying the staffer who requested to see the most top secret files - was Jared kushner. Who still doesn’t have security clearance.

And how many intelligence people in the field are endangered now? Fuck. What a shitshow.

For all the people that were wondering about Mueller's mole in the troll farm, they are called the Danish Secret Service. The Danes infiltrated Fancy Bear and the other email hackers and shared their intel.

Obviously, CIA did not inform the Trump Administration, otherwise Trump would have told Putin and you don't have to be an Israeli fighter pilot to know how THAT would have turned out.

Trump will live to bang out license plates because he fucked with American Intel Agency integrity.

They will fuck him.

The 14th unindicted co-conspirator is a canary singing their guts out.

It is a signal to those who worked with the indicted that Mueller is coming for them.

^^^ r493 and r494 are in agreement.

[quote]For all the people that were wondering about Mueller's mole in the troll farm, they are called the Danish Secret Service. The Danes infiltrated Fancy Bear and the other email hackers and shared their intel.

I thought it was the Dutch.

Just keep this quote about Trump from last year from a senior intelligence agent in mind:

"He will die in jail."

I cling to that statement R498.

Especially when his tweets and behavior gets to be beyond ridiculous and worthless.

What is the mechanism by which Trump will die in jail? I'd like to believe it, but I don't see how anything ever happens to him.

Was it Maddow who played the tape of Hillary in the last Debate before the election calling Trump Putin's puppet to his face and telling us all that he was working with the Russians? He was real pissed. "I'm no puppet! I'm no puppet!" He was positively infantile in his response. It was a great oment and it ought to be played repeatedly on all the TV networks.

Now we know Trump couldn't have weaseled his way into the WH without Russian help... We need to get him out! That's what the Dems should preach for 2018! Trump is a Russian backed con man!

R500 His financial crimes alone would land him in the slammer. Martha Stewart got locked up for way less.

Thank you, R503. Martha Stewart went to Prison and Donald Trump got to be President. That's fucked up.

I know that, r503. What I want to know is how will he charged, much less tried, found guilty, and sentenced?

I think it’s pretty simple. They charge him (for money laundering, I assume) on a state level. If the Supreme Court says you can’t indict a sitting president, then they wait until he is either impeached or voted out and do it then. To help pass the time, they’ll pick off Ivanka, Don Jr., and Jared.

Mueller and crew are not Marcia Clark-level prosecutors. If they go to trial, they’ll win.

My fear is that neither Putin nor Trump care about bad optics. I fear their response will be murder (to send a message) and war (to distract) . I don't think they will settle for firing Rosenthal and Mueller at this point to save Trump's ass for a little while longer.

R503 they got Martha for lying to the FBI, not for actually doing anything wrong. For the fat orange fuck they'd have to come up with a lies/per minute measurement or something, on top of all the other illegal stuff he's done.

R477 Great post, I agree.

How can anyone still have any trust in those Diebold (or whatever the Republican owned company is now called) voting machines to deliver an accurate voting result?

R510 - No one with half a brain trusts any electronic voting machines - especially those from Diebold.

Clearly they have to go. There needs to be a lot of electoral reform over the next few years if American democracy is to survive...

Just weeks after tech company Oracle hired Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the controversial ex-Trump national security aide with ties to Devin Nunes, top execs at Oracle made substantial donations to Nunes’ 2018 re-election campaign, The Daily Beast reports.

R510, as an Ohioan I remember "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." very well. It was such an obvious conflict of interest it should have disqualified Diebold from having anything to do with the elections.

Just to remind everyone, Martha was never charged with insider trading, which is what she was initially guilty of. She was charged with and went to jail for lying to Federal investigators (FBI) about it.

It was the Dutch not the Danes. Please forgive me a pitiful geography failure.

R514 The cover up is more easily prosecuted than the crime, which applies to the case of Trump-Russia conspiracy.

[quote]If people from the Trump campaign were in contact with the Russians, they’ve got to be sweating bullets knowing he has their emails and now they’ve got to be considering going to Mueller to cut a deal.

Indeed, Mueller's recent drop was beautifully judged, including the unindicted co-conspirator. As against Mueller's subtle stealth though, all those 'sweating bullets' are doubtless made to feel better seeing their cretinous figurehead bullhorn 'No Collusion!' once more.

Feel better, that is, for a while. There have to be calculations underway. Will the GOP power-money-media machine plus MAGA-man see this irksome investigation off, so our lucrative coup can continue uninterrupted? Or might this persistent Mueller person find reason to interview me, and maybe we can negotiate terms before matters get too serious?

Which way to jump? In the blessed event that this deep debacle turns out the way all sane people long for, the accounts of this time - reportage, biographies, novels, documentaries - will continue for generations.

And how nice that Mueller gave them the long weekend to consider their actions.

When this whole, ugly episode is over John Adams should make it up into an opera like [italic] Nixon in China. [/italic]

Martha Stewart was / is a Liberal Democratic Party Supporter. That's why she got a prison sentence and not a slap on the wrist like a conservative Republican supporter.

Rush Limbaugh this morning, laying out the coming week's talking point for Republicans: "This entire Russia investigation is about protecting Hillary and Obama from prosecution."

In November, Trump said he believed Putin that there was no meddling.

NOW he says maybe it was the Russians, maybe the Chinese who meddled.

Why does the country put up with this?

R520 But so was Trump for much of his life... It's more the old white boys club, which exists across party lines, that shielded Trump. That created the monster we see today.

[quote] Why does the country put up with this?

Because Republicans are completely corrupt and they control the government.

DL Fave Chuck Todd is WOKE!

On the bright side, Mueller's team appears to have total inside access to Russia's intel operations.

R523 And the collusion with Russia is also very much in the spirit of an old white boys club effort to keep the female out of power.

When is the right-wing going to knock it off with the Jonestown messaging?

Enough!

My question is when all these ops were going down, like the russian sponsored protests, the news cameras were there. There were dozens of media outlets covering the fake protests.

So NOT ONE of them asked around and figure out it was the Russians?

Out of the blue my (black) weed man started praising trump and bashing Hillary and right then and there I figured out he was being influenced on Facebook. I even told him that and he got pissed.

The saddest part of all this is that it worked like a charm.

If this were 20 years ago, all the investigative journalism that was around would have caught it. And law enforcement would have figured it out and stopped it.

People just don’t investigate anymore. And almost lost the coutry because of it.

What happened to being skeptical and sending reported to the ground.

CNN covered all those fake protests and not one of the reporters figured it out.

I’m no genius and I figured it out.

What gives?

Trump was never a Liberal Democrat for "most of his life. " He only pretended to lean left when it was fashionable and he was benefiting from the Clinton economy. Remember that? Remember when Reagan fucked up the economy and Clinton fixed it, and ended his 8 years with a budget surplus and a strong economy? The GOP propaganda machine has been very effective in concentrating on Monica's velvet dress, instead of what Clinton accomplished. Trump was born and raised by a racist White Supremacist father and his family has never been liberal about anything. he and his father were named in lawsuits for racial discrimination many times in the 70's. He took out ads against the "central Park 5" even after they were found not guilty. He's always been a racist. Not a fucking thing Liberal about him except for the use of his dick, and his liberality with lies.

Thank you, R530.

Call me SJW, but how fucked up must society, and the so-called elite, be when they prefer a Russian agent over a white, Liberal woman as POTUS? I don't know how you call this bizarre concept of Democracy but it's not working for me.

If Obama knew about the Russian meddling in the elections, why didn't he do something about it?

He kicked them all out of the US. What more do you want.

And imposed sanctions.

The latest indictment combined with Trump's refusal to impose sanctions against Russia makes probably for the worst optics to date. But I doubt Donald Trump or the Deplorables. The GOP? Maybe. But I think they still laugh all the way to the (Swiss) bank.

But I doubt Donald Trump or the Deplorables CARE.

At some point we need to consider imposing some version of "sanctions" on the Kochs who are aiding and abetting treason & criminal obstruction of justice as well as conspiracy to obstruct. At the very least they need to be fined.

R537, true, but I don't care whether or not DT & his Deplorables care. I only need the GOP Congress to care. And if enough pressure is placed on the Kochs, they can tell Paul Ryan and the rest to "care."

I think the Kochs and the Paul Ryans of this world will only care when a tight noose is put around their necks or they find their heads underneath a sharpened guillotine blade. But then it's too late.

For all those bitching that Obama didnt do enough....remember, Obama went to Mitch McConnell with what was happening and asking for assistance to go public....and McConnell told him to fuck off and that if he went public, McConnell would accuse him of trying to alter the election. Again, the REAL blame goes to the GOP.

R541 for the WIN!

R541 is absolutely correct...so much noise around all of this that what McConnell did is often forgotten

The real blame ALWAYS goes to the GOP.

Slow news day so... suggestions for the next thread title?

Have we used Treasons of Love or And the Treason Is You yet?

By Treason of Insanity

Treasons To Be Pretty (for you fans of disgraced playwright, Neil LaBute)

Treason And Rhyme

Eat Your Treason Carrots

That's Treason Enough

Do you want a Treason?

Give Me One Treason

No One Knows the Treason

Give Me One Treason and Treasons of Love were both used previously.

[quote]Give Me One Treason

This gets my vote.

There’s Just No Treason You

Close your eyes. Pretend Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese. Pretend President Roosevelt said he did not believe the Japanese attacked us. He says, in fact that it's the "Crooked U.S. Navy that is at fault for killing all the sailors, etc." He even says he spoke personally to Hirohito, and he said "No, we didn't attack you!" and Roosevelt claims he believes him. We have photographs, we have video, we have hard evidence it was the Japanese, but Roosevelt doesn't want to hear it.

We insist the U.S. Congress pass a law to sanction Japan for the attack, and they pass the sanctions overwhelmingly, and President Roosevelt refuses to impose those sanctions....and Congress does nothing about it. We ask President Roosevelt to DO something to protect us so this never happens again. And President does NOTHING to protect us. In fact he takes away the funding for the agencies who are there to protect us. We ask the House Intel committee to investigate this entire fiasco, and members of the President's party undermine and sabotage all efforts for a proper investigation.

My Question: Do you believe President Roosevelt should be impeached?

My second question: Do you think the members of Congress who help obstruct an investigation, or who refuse to challenge him on sanctions, or who refuse to raise questions about his inability to top this from happening again should be tried for treason?

Don't Stop Thinkin' About Treason

Excellent analogy, R553. It feels like the tide is turning to me. I think Trump may be out of office soon.

That's so Ra ... I mean, That's So Treason

A Man for all Treasons.......

Watch him deliberate bump into her at the top of the stairs

He HAS to go in front of her on the stairs. That's what the bump was about. ME FIRST. Then he tries to put his arm on her back/waist and she moves away and puts her hand up to her hair. He makes sure he stays in front of her after that.

Whoever starts the next thread better not choose such a dumb title.

On the video at R558, all you can see of Melania is jugs and a bunch of hair.

It looks like she is deliberately hiding behind her hair so she doesn’t have to face Trump. And the huge sunglasses are for hiding behind too.

Doesn’t it ever occur to these women that if you have to put gigantic saline bags in your chest to hang on to a man, you’ve already lost him? How many times do you see a straight man have multiple disfiguring, auto-immune-system-risking operations to get a woman? Never.

Let’s face it, Melania was never a great beauty, and in every picture she looks wooden-faced, including the porn. She married someone who probably treats her not much different than a Russian gangster or some sleezy Hollywood producer. She wasn’t even allowed have more than one kid and her whole life has been mindless shopping and buying, outside of her job as aging arm candy for Trump. She seems to have no friends or life outside her parents and Barron. The whole thing screams Aspbergers. Even at her mediocre level she should have been able to find a human man to marry.

[quote] that if you have to put gigantic saline bags in your chest to hang on to a man, you’ve already lost him

You don't know Trump (or other het men). He PAYS for their implants. He pays for all of their surgery. Did you see the Crying Game? Not one heterosexual man I know thought that Jaye Davison was a man. They all thought she was a hot girl until the end. They don't care if tits are real or not. I asked my brother and he said he and his friends don't care. I asked if he liked a girl and she was flat as a pancake, would he want her to get implants? He said yup. Would he pay for them? If they were in a long term relationship and getting married, yes. He has dated women with implants and likes them just fine. It's women and gay men who find implants strange and horrible. Unless they are like those 1970s strippers with 48 inch chests, het men are cool with implants.

[quote]Did you see the Crying Game? Not one heterosexual man I know thought that Jaye Davison was a man.

SPOILER WARNING!

Gates has plead guilty! Flipped on Manafort!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's the story... (of a man named Gatesy)

Rick Gates probably has nothing on Trump. But Manafort does. Mueller is just connecting the scumbags.

Lovin', Touchin', Treason

R558 apparently there was a huge fight on AF1 before they left for Florida. I am sure they're both hating each other.

"So Are The Treasons of Our Lives"

Ok bitches, here's a list of previous thread titles. Stop being so repetitive. (Treason's Greetings and Treason Is The Reason for The Season have both already been repeated!)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! (The Mueller Investigation Part 6)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5

A Man for All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3

Treason is the reason for the season (thread 2)

It's beginning to look a lot like treason!!

Thanks for compiling R570.

Since the next thread will be part 13, is it time to choose "Treason of the Witch"? I think so.

Otherwise, how's "To Every Thing, There Is A Treason"?

That Touch of Treason. A little throwback to Doris Day. Just because.

We had joy, we had fun, we had treasons in the sun ...

The thread title pickings are getting thin. Please hurry up, Mueller, before we run out!

Time To Talk Treason Mr. Trump

r566....Dont be to sure about that....Gates was with Trump throughout the campaign, thru the transition and into the White House before he left.....He was officially Manaforts deputy......and his outside partner.....he knows A LOT.

DON’ING OF TREASON: You're Giving Me a Million Reasons to Let You Go

The Age of Treason

What's it going to take for Melania to bolt and make a deal?

Fantastic news on Gates pleading guilty. Trump is losing his mind because he’s broken the law his entire life. Now that Mueller is coming after him for it, it’s an unfair “witch hunt”.

Turn up the heat, it's Treason in here...

To Everything Turn Tun Turn There is a Treason Turn Tun Turn

I like 'By Treason of Insanity' for the next thread title, because it certainly feels like Trump is losing it right about now.

Re. Gates, apparently he knows a LOT - he was at various important meetings as well, such as the one where it was decided to change the GOP platform in favour of Russia rather than Ukraine. From what I've read, Gates can testify to Team Trump's conspiracy with the Russians.

"It's Hunting Treason"

I also like "By Treason of Insanity"

You Get Treason, You Get Treason, And You Get Treason ... Treason for Everyone!!!

I liked my suggestion because it was an homage to the Clintons: Don't Stop Thinkin' About Treason.. Apparently no one else liked it. But I haven't seen anything else I prefer.

Gold Treason! He's The Man, The Man With The Treason Touch!

I vote for R586!

I like the age of Treason

In honor of the 13 Russians...13 Treasons Why.

Damn! Some really good suggestions.

New thread for when this maxes out.

Don't worry, I've made note of the great suggestions for titles. We'll use them in the upcoming ones.

In R553's scenario Roosevelt would be lucky to escape lynching let alone impeachment.

R553 , on your second question: I think those officials should be at least investigated for obstruction and perhaps as accessories to the primary crimes. The are no better than the principles in my opinion.

^^^ [bold]THEY[/bold] are no better. Dammit.

"Livin' on a Traitor!"

......

Well see that's the point. Russia's cyber attack on the U.S. was an act of war. they attacked us. It wasn't a 9/11 attack, with fire and brimstone raining down. It was no Pearl Harbor, but he hurt us. he weakened us, and he is out to destroy us until we are a fucking shell of a country...just like Russia. And to have trump sitting on his fat ass and Congress permitting it is an absolutely outrageous situation and one that is completely intolerable. But remember this. It isn't Trump. Trump i a puppet and a distraction. The real harm is being done by Congress and the Cabinet officials that were appointed. There are very few Cabinet officials Trump even knew before they were given to him to appoint.

Let's close....

....this thread.

Use link below for Part 13.

Thread Closed.

I like the Age Of Treason too.

New thread.