Timothy Patrick Murphy

"Murphy contracted HIV and died of AIDS on December 6, 1988"

All in one day.

He couldn't have gotten it from Dack Rambo since they weren't on [italic]Dallas[/italic] at the same time.

I'm not familiar with him but he died at only 29 years old.

His brother, tragically, died in 9/11. Their poor family.

Unibrow = Death

He didn't have the worst unibrow on [italic]Dallas[/italic] by a longshot, R5. That honor goes the guy who played J.R.'s personal detective in the later years. I swear the guy could be Leonid Brezhnev's illegitimate son but I can't remember the name of the actor or the character.

If he had an affair with Brad Davis, he was surely getting fucked by lots of other guys.

I had a huge crush on him in the 80s. He was just my type.

Wow, cursed family: testicular cancer, AIDS, World Trade Center attack.

Brad Davis got AIDS from drugs.

Hard to predict when or where anybody got infected with HIV?

Some people go years without developing any symptoms of AIDS (long-term Nonprogressors) other people get ill and die much more quickly?

Makes you realize why HIV testing is so important

[italic]Knots Landing[/italic] had at least two people who died of AIDS: Larry Riley and producer Lawrence Kasha.

Wrote this elsewhere but he and Brad Davis both were rather famous for hanging out in the back alley of that video store (with some porn, I think, a back area) on Ventura Blvd. Always forget what it was called though I logged a lot of hours there (it was a legit store too with lots of tapes). 20/20? Not Odyssey...

Anyway, I was in my early 20s and heard both picked up guys there. Glad I didn't stumble across that, would've been so tempting. Both were great looking.

[quote]In general, the time from infection with HIV to the development of AIDS is approximately 10 to 12 years.

I don't understand how this could be true when so many people died during the 80s. It would mean they were infected in the early 70s or even late 60s, before it existed. Maybe the time span has lengthened from the early years.

HIV has been around longer than you'd think?

Pretty certain that the: Aids: Origin of pandemic 'was 1920s Kinshasa' hasn't been disputed yet?

Yeah, sadly, it could end very quickly when the plague started. There was nothing until AZT and even then... Watch "Dallas Buyers Club" if you are young, best history lesson of the time out there probably. At least in terms of treatment.

Brad Davis (2nd from left) must have been bi, at least.

And take a look at that bulge! No photoshop. It's the real deal.

R13, Video West? Red Hot Videos?

Actually, I seem to recall an interview in which Timothy Patrick Murphy said Rock Hudson was "a friend". I always thought he was one of the likely sources.

I do not know how true it was but I also recall it was said that when Rock got aids, he got depressed, so Ross Hunter, I think, sent over male escorts to "cheer him up."

Video West, R18, thanks. In a strip mall. I don't remember it feeling very cruisy (like, say, Circus Books) but it was going on somewhere.

Murphy was interesting because he also had a clean cut image via playing Michael Landon in some movie. He was an early casualty, I recall. Scary days.

Handsome Tom Fuccello was another Dallas guy felled by AIDS.

Did they all fly on a plane where Gaetan Dugas was the flight attendant or something?

If you want to find any of the 'Hidden AIDS Deaths' between 1984 - 2004ish try to find actors who died of 'Pancreatic or Liver' cancer (became a bit of an epidemic), It brings up some surprising names.

Live fast. Die young. Leave a good looking corpse.

I read somewhere that Tom Fuccello and Timothy Patrick Murphy were involved at some point.

No need for a plane when you could stand in an alley and meet a new hot stranger every night. It really was that way in L.A. I remember hearing about "gay cancer" in 1982 for the first time and it was still years before it became the epidemic. By then there had been a lot of sex partners for a lot of people. I missed that period by being in the closet pretty much but just barely (and then got lucky when I did start meeting people).

The Closet Saved Lives!

The sexually active gay men who found boyfriends before the first wave of AIDS deaths were the really lucky ones.

I doubt you could really pin it down to a particular person infecting him. I mean - incubation can vary a lot - from not very long and rapid onset - to taking months - or years. And back in the day - especially if you were young and hot - and you thought the only possible downsides could be fixed with a jab or course of antibiotics - then of course you were going to have fun and spread the joy around.

I know a few people who claimed to have caught hiv from a particular person - but given they were all promiscuous and fucking in the sane general circles - who can say?

I find it crazy that people would even try to say that they caught it from a particular individual. So pointless and judgey.

R27 is more stupid than R10.

Brad Davis sure loved showing off his bulge.

And I'm not complaining.

R31, none of those "sailors" is Brad.

Mt preteen gaydar was on overdrive with TPM, or on "firm grasp of the obvious" level.

They've determined that HIV arrived in the US in New York City around 1970 and spread to the West Coast around 1976.

R10 Yeah he got AIDS from drugs, because when he was on drugs he let any and all buttfuck him.

I met him on New Year's Eve day in 1985 in Griffith Park and we wound up "dating" a little for about 6 weeks or so. He didn't want people to know he was gay. With me, he only wanted to hang out at his place and never wanted to go out for dinner, etc. I was only 20 and he was just about 5 years older. He did tell me a few good stories about some of his sexual exploits (don't we all have few to tell?). I saw him a couple of years later when I was walking home one night in West Hollywood. He called out my name but I didn't recognize him at first because he had lost so much weight. We didn't talk about him being sick, which was weird. I think he probably wouldn't have wanted to talk about it, but I regret that we didn't. We were young. I still think about him from time to time and wish I would have given him a hug that evening.

TPM's long time companion was the guy in the Nightmare On Elm Street movie with the blonde jock who was harassed in the shower by his coach. He and Michael Corbett who was on Search for Tomorrow and Ryan's Hope traded apartments when TPM moved to LA and Michael was in NYC. I've maybe heard of TPM and Kin Shriner in the mid 80's. He was a good actor with a great look and he was feisty enough to piss off Dallas producers. He got a role in some Laurence Oliver movie - Where Is Parsafil? - and Dallas wouldn't let him out to do it and he sulked on set so they killed him off and put him in that iron lung thing. I know DL fave Morgan Brittany loved working with him on Dallas and Glitter and he was close to Charlene Tilton, but Char was wise enough not to beard for him. Rebecca Arthur did that for a time.

Wasn't it possible to get infected with several strains of the virus if one slept around with so many people??

He definitely used to fuck Michael Corbett.

the bath houses were huge spreaders of the disease

ev friend i had bak then who went to em much, were among the first to die...

miss u craig, ritchie, gregory, stuart, and more.

god dam aids!

Interesting R23.

Also interesting is how Wikipedia does not have a cause of death for Jack Cole - his death was so sudden, years later there was speculation if he was a very early undiagnosed HIV victim.

R10, Brad Favis was gay- I know first hand.

Interesting that Henry Mancini is mentioned in link at R43. He is also mentioned early in this old DL thread.

I wonder how many gay men died of AIDS in the 1970s when they just didn't know what it was.

He got the aids from someone on Search For Tonorrow.

[quote]TPM's long time companion was the guy in the Nightmare On Elm Street movie with the blonde jock who was harassed in the shower by his coach.

Mark Patton?

that's funny, I used to be in AA with Mark Patton. He was kind of an unfriendly asshole actually. Wonder if that was why...

P.S. Most DLers know him from "Come Back to the 5 and Dime..."

Anyone interested in Brad David should read "After Midnight" the memoir by his wife Susan Bluestein Davis. They were an odd couple; he was a tiny, unsophisticated Southern boy and she was an older, overweight and Jewish. But they married, and she stuck by him, despite his craziness, drug addiction and promiscuity. She seemed to be rather in denial when it came to her husband's homosexual affairs; she figured he did a little gay hustling early in his career, but that he just "gay friendly", not bi or gay. The book is very interesting and gives a good portrait of the tormented Davis and the inner workings of Hollywood; Bluestein eventually became a successful casting director. She and Davis had a daughter Alexandra; Alexandra is no Alex Davis, a transgendered man.

R32, Brad Davis is the sailor in the middle. That looks to be a shot from his homo-erotic film "Querelle."

[quote]He was a good actor with a great look and he was feisty enough to piss off Dallas producers. He got a role in some Laurence Oliver movie - Where Is Parsafil? - and Dallas wouldn't let him out to do it and he sulked on set so they killed him off and put him in that iron lung thing.

That must have been a factor in why they let Audrey Landers out to do [italic]The Movie: A Chorus Line[/italic].

More Brad in Querelle. Maybe that earlier pic isn't him. That guy is hairless, and obviously Brad had a very hairy chest.

I met him with another actor (who came out in the '90s) at a sitcom taping. He was very flirtatious.

But what I remember the most is how much higher his voice was than Mickey Trotter's, his "Dallas" character. He was far more fey in person.

Interesting.

#53, that may explain why he was such a wooden actor: he was trying to tamp-down his nelliness by slowing down his speech and talking in a monotone.

[quote] that may explain why he was such a wooden actor: he was trying to tamp-down his nelliness by slowing down his speech and talking in a monotone

Sounds just like Jensen Ackles.

TPM *dated* Sarah Jessica Parker.

So did Robert Downey So did Merrit Butrick David Oliver was her tv husband on A Year In the Life. DO tried to use that deaf actress who won an Oscar - as a beard. Can't recall her name. Melanie?

Marlee Matlin. Fame is fleeting.

Dunno about fleeting fame. she has kept working. More than some of the 80's actress's

Agree and loved her book. Was poking fun at the guy not knowing her name above ("Melanie", no less. Speaking of which, did everyone see Melanie Griffith is doing Mrs. Robinson in "The Graduate' in La jolla. Hard to imagine).

"Dunno about fleeting fame. she has kept working. More than some of the 80's actress's."

Doing what? Playing deaf or mute girls? I can't imagine there were ever a lot of roles out there like that.

R61 I suppose you could have always clicked the link at R59 and taken a look at her film & TV work over the years since?

TPM was pretty flauntingly gay, so much so that P&G which employed him on Search for Tomorrow tried to put him n a p.r. relationship with LIsa Brown from Guiding Light. Marie Cheathman adored him - he played her 'son' Brian or Spencer and he was faking it.

this one ...

Do we know where he got the aids?

From fucking r65

Thanks Dorothy

No, he got it from riding a tractor in a speedo..

He sat on a public toilet.

He drank from a public water fountain, Rose.

r68 THAT'S the tractor story!!

When I first saw him on Search For Tomorrow, I developed a huge crush on him. I was in high school, closeted, and a loner. Whenever I thought what it would be like to have a boyfriend, I pictured TPM. He was so beautiful. His voice was charming and gentle. His build, his hairy chest he was my "type". Then when I began dating guys I discovered they were over all, complete sluts who hurt other for kicks, I figured Murphy was exactly the same and I deadened the crush I had on him.

Dang, SJP was the Kaley Cuoco of her day, hm?

TPM and David Oliver look exactly the same to me.

Was he on Love Boat?

"I suppose you could have always clicked the link at [R59] and taken a look at her film & TV work over the years since?"

She never had another major film role after "Children of a Lesser God." It was all minor roles after that. By the way, her Oscar was a fluke, one of those strange things that happen at the Academy Awards. It was a weak year for actresses. But I thought Sigourney Weaver should have won for "Aliens." Her performance was much better than Matlin's. Matlin's role really didn't take much acting at all. She was a deaf girl....playing a deaf girl.

What did Linda Bove have going for her besides that and [italic]Sesame Street[/italic], R76?

[quote]Brad Davis got AIDS from drugs.

I am determined to find out how he got the aids. I Looked up his mother on Ancestry but it looks like she passed in 2016. I was going to call her if she were still alive. I’m now focusing on his siblings.

[quote]Matlin's role really didn't take much acting at all. She was a deaf girl....playing a deaf girl.

LOL, those deaf people. You've met one, you've met them all.

Halle Berry was a black woman...playing a black woman.

Kathy Bates was a fat person...playing a fat person.

Marion Cotillard was a Frenchie...playing a Frenchie.

"LOL, those deaf people. You've met one, you've met them all."

Your argument, if you can call it that, is ludicrous. It would have taken more acting for a non-deaf person to have played Matlin's role. As it was, she really didn't have to expend much effort at all to play a deaf person, being deaf herself. She did very little real acting.

My "argument" was to point out how ridiculous it is to assess someone's performance based on how closely they might identify with characteristics of their role.

If you truly believe in a concept of "more acting," then it's pointless to discuss any further.

TPM made the classic mistake of, while working on Dallas, saying he preferred Dynasty. That did not sit well with Hagman.

Did Dack Rambo give him THE aids?

[quote]TPM made the classic mistake of, while working on Dallas, saying he preferred Dynasty. That did not sit well with Hagman.

If true, that [bold]was[/bold] rather dumb.

David Marshall Grant gave the eulogy at TPM funeral

r76, and she fakes being deaf...she can hear a bit.

This is odd. Mark Patton says he had a long term relationship with Murphy and were dating at the same time he was filming Nightmare 2. However, according to IMDb, Murphy acted up until the year before he died and I could find no picture online of Murphy looking particularly frail.

Forgot to mention that at the time he was filming Nighmare 2, Patton said his lover was dying of AIDS which makes this even weirder.

He was on an episode of the Love Boat with Dack Rambo titled Not Now, I'm Dying/Too Young to Love

What about that puppeteer who died suddenly of pneumonia in 1990?

Edgar Bergen?

R13 THAT episode is on today on MeTv! Crazy!

I served him frequently in NYC, with and without Michael Corbett. Good guys.

R91 You mean Wayland Flowers in 1988?

Brad Davis' wife spread the "drugs" story. I wouldn't be surprised if he injected, but he also fucked anything that moved.

[quote] Brad Davis got AIDS from drugs.

Yeah, that's what his wife said, alright.

And I am the Queen of Romania.

Did you mean Jim Henson, R91?

If you could somehow ask Brad Davis, I doubt he would know how he acquired the virus. Especially if he was promiscuous and an IV drug user. Rather silly to try and determine when and how 40 years later.

[Quote] I could find no picture online of Murphy looking particularly frail

I read that the National Enquirer went so far as to visit the dying Murphy in hospital, though I can't find the actual article or pictures.

This was his last movie, a 1988 release, apparently. Perhaps it was shot in 1985 or 1986. From what I've watched, he was appropriate as the stuffed shirt brother of the lead. Martha Scott is perfect as his shrewish mother-in-law-to-be.

Patton comes across as rather an unreliable narrator.

[Quote] TPM and David Oliver look exactly the same to me.

TPM was a shortie, Oliver was not.

Was he Irish?

Who is/was David Oliver? Hot AF. TPM was also on one episode of CHiPs and one episode of Hotel.

R20, scary days indeed.

I guess I came off straight-adjacent. Didn't get much 'oh, you're gay' in my 20s or early 30s...at least that's how I recall it.

I read every day about gay guys dying, some quickly after being diagnosed it seemed.

I played it safe for the most part.

I'm an elder gay now (first time I'm typing those words) - mid-50s now. It all goes by so fast

Who knows? Post-COVID, I may try and get out there unlike before.

I think Mickey was best suited for Lucy.

Mitch was too good to be true and the 'we'll only spend the we make' cliche got old, fast.

Mickey was certainly the most height-appropriate guy for Lucy. I liked Eddie, too. Frederic Lehne. (sp?) great actor.

[Quote] He got a role in some Laurence Oliver movie - Where Is Parsafil? - and Dallas wouldn't let him out to do it

I can't see that title on Olivier's imdb.

[Quote] I did TPM

Did you mistype "dig"?

Just watched the Love Boat episode where he played Dr. Bricker’s son, so he was on a couple of times. And he faked being his long lost son.

Aweeee, those chicks look like they're so moist.

[quote]He was on an episode of the Love Boat with Dack Rambo titled Not Now, I'm Dying/Too Young to Love

Pluto TV just showed this episode, which made me Google Timothy Patrick Murphy which of course included DataLounge on page 2 of the search results. I only saw a few minutes of the episode though.

Found this posted about him on the Facebook Aids Memorial Page-

“I met Timothy Patrick Murphy (November 3, 1959 - December 6, 1988) at the start of Summer in 1984. I was in the process of matriculating and had the months of July and August free. We met one Saturday night at the Apache Territory, a popular gay dance club on Ventura Boulevard in Studio City, California. Tim was so attractive and we were the same age. He had a remarkable smile, a twinkle in his eyes and a personality that matched. We hit it off immediately and over the Summer of 1984 we spent time together, going to the beach, hitting the Apache on Saturday night or just hanging out at my place. It did not occur to me, at the time, who Tim was, despite being an avid fan of Dallas. Perhaps this was because he was working in a tire store in the San Fernando Valley. I even went to that store for new tires, not only because I needed them but to spend time with Tim. The demands of school (it was a doctorate program) severely limited my free time beginning in September though we would see each other when we could; Tim was always a welcome distraction from the books! We drifted apart as our respective life trajectories pulled us in different directions. In 1988, I started volunteering at my church, United Spirit in West Hollywood, for the Visitation Team at Sherman Oaks Medical Center. Members would go to the AIDS Ward at the hospital, as many evenings as possible, to check in with every patient, just to sit and talk or help out the nurses by getting drinks or ice or something to read for the patients. One night, I walked into a room and found Tim in the bed. I immediately recognized him and we sat and talked, and talked, and talked — mostly about the 'old days' but also some really heartfelt conversations. I doubled my visits and spent a couple nights a week with Tim. It was during these visits that I finally connected him with his Mickey Trotter character from Dallas. Sometimes, we would just sit quietly, holding hands, nothing needed to be said. I was blessed with good timing; Tim rarely had other visitors when I was there. On the rare occasion when someone would show up, he would always needlessly apologize. I do remember going on the ward one night and being told his room was off-limits to all but hospital staff. Disheartened, I spoke with the head of nursing (now, as a doctor, it was easy access for me); she told me about the photographer incident and she checked with Tim. I was put on the list and our visits continued. Even as his health deteriorated, he kept his winning smile and personality (with me anyway) so the increasing seriousness of his condition was not evident. When we talked, it was always about fun times, which made it all the less obvious. I still remember that Tuesday when I went in to visit Tim like it just happened. December 6th was not a good day for me as it was on that date my own mother had passed away years earlier. I checked the patient roster and asked, “Where's Tim?” Somehow knowing the answer and wishing with all my heart I had never asked that stupid question. Blinking back the tears (as I'm doing right now) it was only then I noticed the somber mood and red, teary eyes of the nursing staff and heard the muffled — “We're so sorry ...” How could this be? We just visited a few days ago, though it was a short visit and Tim seemed fine, or at least, I had blinded myself to the truth. It felt like I had been sucker-punched in the gut — and it still does. I pulled myself together, after all, I was there to visit everyone. And I did, and I cried all the way home on the 134 that night Tim's loss spurred me on - I focused on HIV care in my practice, took over the running of the Visitation Team, increased membership to cover every day of the week and expanded it to another major hospital in the area. I never will forget Tim and that magical Summer of '84 nor the Fall of 1988.” — by Brian Smith

So many folks wiped out. And we’re still suffering from the repercussions.

Larry Riley and Harold Rollins, Jr. were in A Soldier’s Story together…ironic that they both died of AIDS complications.

I thought Riley was on the watermelon diet?

[quote] So many folks wiped out. And we’re still suffering from the repercussions.

Not to mention that straights of all political persuasions are now trying to brush it under the rug. As someone who has lived after it, I feel like it was a textbook definition of genocide for gay men.

^It was..

It was targeted towards gays. I won’t believe anything else. The truth will be revealed one day. Maybe not in our lifetime, but one day.

The irony of it is too calculating to ignore.

[quote] Brad Davis got AIDS from drugs.

Were these the drugs he was taking before or after getting daisy-chained on the docks of the Meat Packing District 45 years ago? Eldergays I knew in NYC remembered him wistfully. Hot as shit, but apparently he was all kinds of fucked up in the head too.

I always wondered about Charlene Tilton. I wondered if she was bisexual, or gay

I doubt TPM and Dack Rambo hooked up. Rambo apparently favored blonds.

This disease had one thing going for it. It was killing all the right people.