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The Depressingly Small Gay Dating Pool

It just really bums me out sometimes how few dating options gay men have relative to our straight counterparts.

As gay men, we can assume that 95% of the time, a guy we find attractive cannot return or affections because he is most likely straight.

We can’t just walk up to a stranger at the grocery store, a non-gay bar or restaurant, or a party and start flirting the way straight people can without trepidation.

I’m 31 and I live in a medium/large city that is full of attractive straight guys but the pool similarly attractive gay guys is infinitesimally small.

Then there’s the massive bottom/top imbalance, in which there’s literally 20 bottoms for every top, automatically making the majority of guys sexually incompatible. It just becomes exceedingly depressing.

Straight women have it so much easier. I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman. I think most gay men, if they are being totally honest with themselves, would say the same.

by Anonymousreply 359January 24, 2018 4:41 PM

R1 Im in Austin as well. I agree 100%.

by Anonymousreply 1January 21, 2018 2:47 AM

The gay scene is Austin sucks

by Anonymousreply 2January 21, 2018 2:48 AM

The battle hymn of aging gay men everywhere unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 3January 21, 2018 2:49 AM

It’s even worse in Dallas or Houston. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 4January 21, 2018 2:49 AM

I've been to dallas and agree it's awful. You should move to new jersey, so much better there. And don't forget the gay dating pool will grow larger since the stigma is disappearing.

by Anonymousreply 5January 21, 2018 2:50 AM

R3 it's the most depressing realization for a gay person of any age.

by Anonymousreply 6January 21, 2018 2:53 AM

[QUOTE]Straight women have it so much easier. I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman.

Agreed. I don’t know why they complain so much with all the hot straight dick they have access to.

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by Anonymousreply 7January 21, 2018 2:53 AM

And don't forget about limited membership availability in the Lookalikes Circuit.

The upside is looking across cultures for a potential partner -- though coastal cities are probably a better bet.

by Anonymousreply 8January 21, 2018 3:02 AM

When I Google “hot latin gay guys” R8, all I get is results for porn. How are you supposed to find them?

by Anonymousreply 9January 21, 2018 3:05 AM

Some good points, but I think straight men traditionally have had it the best. In so many cultures women have been terribly oppressed. And for gay men there's still such a range of acceptance, depending on the location, even in US. And in Africa, only 22 of about 50 countries have legalized being gay.

by Anonymousreply 10January 21, 2018 3:13 AM

And all the good ones are taken.

by Anonymousreply 11January 21, 2018 3:16 AM

Has anyone been to Denver? Omg sad sad gay scene. so many hot straight guys

by Anonymousreply 12January 21, 2018 3:19 AM

all the good ones are taken, yes.

OP, I feel for you. I'm 55 and when I was 32 we had phone lines; I had a date. It wasn't a match but we fooled around a little (I mean a little; not clothes came off).

The guy said to me don't let your life pass you by; it'll go fast; he was right. I was never able to find anyone. Picky. Fear of AIDS. I'm needy.

But I have a big dick and the last time I was carded when I was 39 so yeah, I look a smidge younger than other 55 year olds. I've done the social media app thing but everyone just seems to want sex. Like, right now.

I don't have any answers. I think it's all some huge cosmic joke that we want what we can't have. I want to scream at people who just go out to a bar and meet someone and it's all sunshine and roses, at least on the outside.

I'm in a shitty city too, perhaps the worst one: Los Angeles. All the cliches are true.

I'll try more this year. You never know.

by Anonymousreply 13January 21, 2018 3:22 AM

I guess it depends on where you live. SoCal there are no issues- and no, not LA. Bitchy, snotty queens there.

by Anonymousreply 14January 21, 2018 3:24 AM

"They're either too young or too old. They're either too gray or too grassy green...There isn't any gravy. The gravy's in the navy..."

by Anonymousreply 15January 21, 2018 3:25 AM

All those words to hide the fact that R13 just wanted to announce “I have a big dick.”

by Anonymousreply 16January 21, 2018 3:25 AM

LA is fine as long as you’re a decent looking white guy.

I’m often called “very handsome”, but while in LA on Grindr in November I got little interest on Grindr. I’m a fit, lean, light skinned black guy.

I put up a pic of a friend (blonde hair/blue eyes, fit 26), and BAM—my messages start blowing up. Not saying that doesn’t happen in other places too, but it was definitely more pronounced in LA.

by Anonymousreply 17January 21, 2018 3:34 AM

R13, I still get carded (way past the age of minority). It's a drag, isn't it? I've tried growing a mustache, but no soap. These young guys keep hitting on me, but they're so vapid. I want a MAN.

by Anonymousreply 18January 21, 2018 3:42 AM

Well I do not have that problem. I usually sample a good ol' Basque-Mexican or Italian-Mexican in L.A. Those are the kinkiest fuckers you can find in the West Coast.

by Anonymousreply 19January 21, 2018 3:45 AM

[quote]I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman. I think most gay men, if they are being totally honest with themselves, would say the same.

Well, I'm not one of them. I'm proud to be a gay man. I love males and I love being male; I have no understanding of what it would be like to be a woman and I have no desire to be one. We have an incredibly rich history and culture. We're a fly in the ointment of gender essentialism, heterosexism, heteronormativity. Our achievements are wildly in excess of our numbers. Leonardo da Vinci, probably the most brilliant person in history, was gay.

My chin's up and my shoulders are back. And before you ask, yes, I'm single, so I'm not just saying this because I've found someone.

by Anonymousreply 20January 21, 2018 3:45 AM

[quote] I'm proud to be a gay man. I love males and I love being male

Same. I have zero desire to be a woman. Even with the acknowledgement that of course the pool of guys is much larger.

Yes, most guys are straight OP. Yes, it is easier dating if you are white than black. You can spend your days whining about it but it isn't going to change anything. Accept the reality for what it is.

by Anonymousreply 21January 21, 2018 3:50 AM

Op, dating as a straight woman over 30 is horrific too. A lot of my (attractive, charming) straight female friends have given up on dating entirely after being cheated on or strung along or ghosted by every guy theyve dated.

by Anonymousreply 22January 21, 2018 3:51 AM

[quote] I would much rather have been born a straight woman

Your self-loathing is only a burden to you. Do not assume the rest of us feel the same.

by Anonymousreply 23January 21, 2018 3:52 AM

For all the anti-trans posts here, it seems like a lot of gay men want to be women

by Anonymousreply 24January 21, 2018 3:54 AM

[QUOTE]I'd rather have been born a straight woman.

This gay man would rather have been born a straight man.

by Anonymousreply 25January 21, 2018 4:12 AM

[quote]it seems like a lot of gay men want to be women

R24 = Homophobe that thinks Trannies and Gay men are interchangeable.

by Anonymousreply 26January 21, 2018 4:14 AM

Can you blame a guy for wanting to be a woman considering how much straight masculine dick you could get? I’d be such a slut.

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by Anonymousreply 27January 21, 2018 4:56 AM

There are a million gay guys in HK. You walk one block north and you’ll find 100 new guys pop up on Grindr/Scruff. Another block north and another hundred people just got off of the bus...ha.

Move here and you’ll never complain again.

by Anonymousreply 28January 21, 2018 4:57 AM

Hong Kong?

by Anonymousreply 29January 21, 2018 5:02 AM

R17, you sound very attractive. You're just using the wrong apps, or whatever they're called.

by Anonymousreply 30January 21, 2018 5:09 AM

[quote]I’d be such a slut.

Only if you had your male homosexual brain transplanted into a female body. Women aren’t wired to go around having tons of carefree sex because since the dawn of human history, even one sexual encounter could mean pregnancy and a 15+ year commitment to raising a child. Women are typically cautious about choosing partners. They’re also physically smaller and weaker than men so they have to worry about rape.

by Anonymousreply 31January 21, 2018 5:17 AM

I get hotter and hotter top guys every year the older I get. Seriously. I've had several 20-something primo beefcakes with huge cocks lately and I'm over 50. In a long term open relationship. NO, I don't pay for it. Best of both worlds! Hubby and young tops. Life is good.

by Anonymousreply 32January 21, 2018 5:33 AM

Guys from Austin are constantly visiting Chicago. I can't turn on an app without one of them (at least) showing up. What is that about? Are you all looking for a top? We have a shortage too.

I feel for the Austin gays here because the guys I've met from Austin have been pretty bad. One time I went out with a bunch of them (friends of a friend)... so boring. No personality (or rude - it's hard to tell with mute queens), and on apps they are the most insane game players I've ever encountered. Hyper texting every second and then ghost...then back.. then ghost... Most of them think they're 10s when they're maybe 6s.

Hmm.. the above sounds like it could describe many guys outside of Austin, though it just seems to be worse with them vs. other visitors. Anyway, I gave up believing that there was "someone for everyone" when I was 30. There isn't. Not everyone is going to earn 6 figures and not everyone is going to be successful in their companies and not everyone will have a partner - especially with the tinny little muddy pool we are in.

by Anonymousreply 33January 21, 2018 5:52 AM

[quote]I get hotter and hotter top guys every year the older I get. Seriously. I've had several 20-something primo beefcakes with huge cocks lately and I'm over 50. In a long term open relationship. NO, I don't pay for it. Best of both worlds! Hubby and young tops. Life is good.

I'm almost 40 and have no desire to date anyone younger, though they seem to CONSTANTLY be hitting on me. So, I believe you - but I can't help it - I am not attracted to any of them, especially if they talk. I'd rather go out with someone my age and have no sex (assuming they're interesting) than a 25 year old vapid queen with a "huge penis" ...

by Anonymousreply 34January 21, 2018 5:54 AM

Yeah in texas the gay scene is poor, I mean you can get laid with "bi curious" guys but you cannot find a boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 35January 21, 2018 6:04 AM

[quote]I get hotter and hotter top guys every year the older I get. Seriously. I've had several 20-something primo beefcakes with huge cocks lately and I'm over 50. In a long term open relationship. NO, I don't pay for it. Best of both worlds! Hubby and young tops. Life is good.

Where do you live? what's your secret?

by Anonymousreply 36January 21, 2018 6:43 AM

R36 An active imagination.

by Anonymousreply 37January 21, 2018 6:49 AM

lots of younger guys w/ daddy fetishes around ... I don't think he's making it up. It's frustrating for those of us in the older age bracket who meet people of similar ages who just want (and get) 28 year olds.

by Anonymousreply 38January 21, 2018 6:54 AM

don't guys with daddy fetishes want tops?

by Anonymousreply 39January 21, 2018 6:56 AM

I wouldn't want a young guy who would want an older guy (like me). Something wrong with them. Its skeevy. I'm nobody's daddy.

by Anonymousreply 40January 21, 2018 7:04 AM

It’s even worse being a single lesbian - the gay female dating pool is abysmal, pretty much non existent - Good luck finding someone you are attracted to, who is also single, and relatively stable. I think this is the main reason I’ve turned into a crazy person.

by Anonymousreply 41January 21, 2018 7:07 AM

"A crazy person"

Well, you're in good company.

by Anonymousreply 42January 21, 2018 7:10 AM

[quote]Straight women have it so much easier. I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman. I think most gay men, if they are being totally honest with themselves, would say the same.

Straight anything, male or female, would be nice.

I hate being gay, not because I think I'm inherently broken or that I think being gay in itself is something shameful or whatever...I just hate being gay living in a straight world.

The world, as it currently stands, is not made for us--and unfortunately we have to constantly fight, in small ways and big, simply to live our lives as ourselves.

I'm just tired of the struggle and fight--to be seen, to be loved, to not be hidden--especially when I see straight people take it all for granted. How easy this hetero world makes it for them to reach out, to connect, and re-connect again and again. Love is hard to find for anyone, but straight people have been given infinite options just by being. We have to make communities and safe spaces--just to find and connect with each other.

In about 100 years, maybe humanity will have evolved to a point where being gay is fully accepted and the world, in turn, reflects that...but I'll be dead by then. Does little good to think about that "someday."

Which is why, in the here and now, I would choose to be straight in a heartbeat.

by Anonymousreply 43January 21, 2018 7:32 AM

I'm from LA so maybe a little bit insulated, but have always found being gay was an advantage. Women love gay men (well maybe not lesbians) and I get along well with straight men.. TBH, I tend not to clash more with other gays both personally and professionally, which is something I am really trying to work on for 2018. More gay friends. I don't really have any.

by Anonymousreply 44January 21, 2018 7:40 AM

^^^tend to clash more with other gays

by Anonymousreply 45January 21, 2018 7:41 AM

R39 YES

by Anonymousreply 46January 21, 2018 7:42 AM

R43, I hear ya. But at least we're not in any number of countries in Africa and the Middle East. And Chechnya, where the national sport is the Roof Toss.

by Anonymousreply 47January 21, 2018 7:47 AM

[quote]I mean you can get laid with "bi curious" guys but you cannot find a boyfriend.

maybe it's time to look inward...

by Anonymousreply 48January 21, 2018 8:09 AM

It's because, r7, fish are NOT interested in sex!

by Anonymousreply 49January 21, 2018 8:13 AM

There are PLENTY of gay men in almost every Western European and American city. And now you have APS to find every one of them. The problem is gay men are getting pickier and more deluded by each decade, and Aps and Social Media has accelerated this insanity. I know gorgeous young gay men who are not getting laid enough. It's the supermarket sex phenomena - not the size of the pool. More laid back guys who have diverse tastes are getting laid a plenty.

The OP needs to stop being so picky and venture some contacts and sex.

by Anonymousreply 50January 21, 2018 9:43 AM

"Straight women have it so much easier."

Doubt it. Again, there are more eligible women than men. So the men there are exploit them. Women have to grovel and debase themselves to snag a decent guy, then he cheats, lies, takes her money and uses her as a maid.

Some great reward.

by Anonymousreply 51January 21, 2018 10:25 AM

Good luck R41... Don't give into the crazy!

by Anonymousreply 52January 21, 2018 10:44 AM

Straights don't have their pick either, unless they are young, beautiful and thin.....or rich.

by Anonymousreply 53January 21, 2018 11:25 AM

r50 is right

by Anonymousreply 54January 21, 2018 1:57 PM

I just don't like feeling pressured to have sex on the first date. I'd rather wait and get to know a guy before I take that step.

by Anonymousreply 55January 21, 2018 2:02 PM

[quote] Yeah in texas the gay scene is poor, I mean you can get laid with "bi curious" guys but you cannot find a boyfriend.

I can relate. I'm from a college town in North Carolina, and now I live in a cowtown in California. [italic]Brokeback Mountain[/italic] changed nothing.

by Anonymousreply 56January 21, 2018 2:05 PM

Just imagine if you were from a small country like Laos or Iceland.

by Anonymousreply 57January 21, 2018 2:12 PM

Iceland is a Scandinavian country, so the men should be insanely hot.

by Anonymousreply 58January 21, 2018 2:14 PM

The entire country of Iceland has far less people than the city of Austin.

by Anonymousreply 59January 21, 2018 2:15 PM

That doesn't answer my question about the hotness of Icelandic men, R59.

by Anonymousreply 60January 21, 2018 2:17 PM

All I can say is most of yall must be some ugly bitches. I never had a problem finding a boyfriend or a date,and we are talking the 70s thru the 90s here.Of course,now Im 56 so all that ease is gone with the wind and ALL I get on hook up sites are the 70 and above crowd or the truly hideous,but even with that being said,when I do post I always get responses. Having a fat dick doesnt hurt Im sure,pity Im a total bottom .

by Anonymousreply 61January 21, 2018 2:25 PM

[quote] All I can say is most of yall must be some ugly bitches.

No, some of us standards.

by Anonymousreply 62January 21, 2018 2:31 PM

[quote]I hate being gay, not because I think I'm inherently broken or that I think being gay in itself is something shameful or whatever...I just hate being gay living in a straight world.

That's just nonsense. Don't let others tell you, or convince you, that the straight (white, male) mainstream has the power to prevent you from being great and happy. Get some inspiration from the intro of the Mary Tyler Moore show and "make it on your own".

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by Anonymousreply 63January 21, 2018 2:33 PM

[quote]The Depressingly Small Gay Dating Pool

You mean like gay midgets? Speaking of which, how come Emmanuel Lewis never married?

by Anonymousreply 64January 21, 2018 2:36 PM

It's 2018 and you live in a major western city. Think about those gay men stuck in small towns. Or those gay men who don't live in the gay accepting west. Or gay men in the past.

Maybe you'll come to your senses that your life isn't so bad? People seem to have some disney expectations of life. It is a struggle for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 65January 21, 2018 2:37 PM

The struggle is real.

by Anonymousreply 66January 21, 2018 2:39 PM

OP (and others). Just be honest and ask yourself: "I am I really looking for a date or am I looking for rejection and / or more reasons why I am not dating right now?".

by Anonymousreply 67January 21, 2018 2:40 PM

[quote]Good luck finding someone you are attracted to, who is also single, and relatively stable. I think this is the main reason I’ve turned into a crazy person.

This is basically why I stopped dating... plus the games, the fact they have to be attracted back to me (not always happening), the top / bottom situation, and the whole "masc" thing which I won't even get into.

People keep mentioning large cities vs. small cities, but I actually think it might be better when there are fewer choices. When men are presented with endless options (perceived anyway) - then they just keep looking to trade up or get something new. This is part of why so many relationships (and even marriages) are open & people won't settle down.

I can make 1 slutty comparison to this phenomenon. I used to go to some bath houses years back. When they were packed full of guys due to some holiday or gay event - I could not get laid, period. The guys just walked in circles endlessly looking for something better. When there are 30-50 guys (not 200-300) I can get laid far more. It's not a perfect analogy, but it's a similar idea.

by Anonymousreply 68January 21, 2018 2:43 PM

[quote]People seem to have some disney expectations of life.

I want a knight in shining armor. Failing that, I'll settle for a man I can trust.

by Anonymousreply 69January 21, 2018 2:43 PM

[quote]I just don't like feeling pressured to have sex on the first date. I'd rather wait and get to know a guy before I take that step.

That makes your dating pool even smaller. And if you want a truly monogamous relationship, the odds get infitessimally worse.

by Anonymousreply 70January 21, 2018 2:46 PM

I do think people are expecting Mr. Perfect. They are thinking there is some Prince Charming waiting around the corner to sweep them off their feet so lets ignore this guy over there who isn't exactly what they want.

I mean if that is the way you want to live, that is perfectly fine, but you need to be at peace with being single and that you might never find "the one".

You can't complain about being single, while you discard all your options.

by Anonymousreply 71January 21, 2018 2:50 PM

Be sure that you can offer the same qualities you expect from your date. So you better be sure you are not a crazy drama queen when you don't want a crazy drama queen as a date and don't look for a date at Drama Queens R' Us outlets all over the city or the world.

by Anonymousreply 72January 21, 2018 2:52 PM

I think social media is partly to blame.

Too many examples of a "perfect life" being displayed for all the world to see.

It can make one with an average life feel inadequate.

by Anonymousreply 73January 21, 2018 2:54 PM

What does quantity have to do with dating? All it takes is finding the right one. And that can be accomplished by going to places and sites where you find guys with like minded interests who happen to look for the same as you.

by Anonymousreply 74January 21, 2018 2:55 PM

[quote] that can be accomplished by going to places and sites where you find guys with like minded interests who happen to look for the same as you.

That works if they are single, and there is mutual attraction..... which then lowers the odds quite a bit.

by Anonymousreply 75January 21, 2018 2:57 PM

These two statements contradict each other:

[quote]You can't complain about being single, while you discard all your options.

[quote]So you better be sure you are not a crazy drama queen when you don't want a crazy drama queen as a date and don't look for a date at Drama Queens R' Us outlets all over the city or the world.

I'm tired of gay men being shamed for expressing negative emotions such as sadness or anger. It's not healthy to keep them bottled up or they'll only get worse. And guys who say "no drama" are usually the type to walk out at they very first sign of conflict, even a minor one. That's why gay men are lonely. But maybe having someone to be lonely with isn't so bad if you can at least work through the loneliness together.

[quote]And that can be accomplished by going to places and sites where you find guys with like minded interests who happen to look for the same as you.

That's how I ended up here.

by Anonymousreply 76January 21, 2018 2:58 PM

[quote]It can make one with an average life feel inadequate.

Only losers compare themselves to others and when you feel like a loser you can only attract other losers, if anyone at all.

If seeing other people happy makes you feel like a loser instead of being happy for them and go "if they can find happiness, I sould be able to find it, too!" then you are not in the right mindset to find happiness.

by Anonymousreply 77January 21, 2018 2:59 PM

I think it's just harder for men because they're more looks oriented, whereas women are less picky. As far as long term relationships are concerned gay women seem to have the best luck.

by Anonymousreply 78January 21, 2018 3:01 PM

[quote]I think it's just harder for men because they're more looks oriented, whereas women are less picky.

Yep. Generally speaking straight women realize that looks aren't everything, gay men don't.

by Anonymousreply 79January 21, 2018 3:04 PM

Being in a big city does have its advantages. I was single for 10 + years and I met my bf less than 3 months after moving to Chicago.

That being said, it depends what you define as dating and/or what you want out of a relationship. Bars and dating apps encourage sameness and seldom give anyone a chance to show their true selves. It's all performance.

This is what worked for me: I worked on making my life happy for a few years, even if it was going to be just me. I built a community of friends in my very liberal church, in a bowling league, through a book club, and through all that I met a beautiful man who was perfect for me.

Dating is kind of like getting a job: Remember that if you're seeing it online, 300 people have already applied for that job, and what will find you a good job is networking and building your knowledge and skill base. Then you'll find something that's a better fit for you.

by Anonymousreply 80January 21, 2018 3:07 PM

[quote]I'm tired of gay men being shamed for expressing negative emotions such as sadness or anger. It's not healthy to keep them bottled up or they'll only get worse.

True, but at some point you have to move beyond sadness and anger and get at least hopeful and pro-active in the sense that you are looking for a solution instead of making lists of valid reasons why this situation makes you so sad and angry and ask others to join you in your sad and angry state. You can either whine and be sad and depressed or you can crawl yourself out of that depression and get happy. You can't do both at the same time. And you can't most certainly expect that when you are sad and angry long enough some knight in shiny armour will show up out of nowhere and will sweep you off your feet and you'll happily everafter.

by Anonymousreply 81January 21, 2018 3:07 PM

and you'll LIVE happily everafter.

by Anonymousreply 82January 21, 2018 3:09 PM

[quote] Then there’s the massive bottom/top imbalance, in which there’s literally 20 bottoms for every top, automatically making the majority of guys sexually incompatible. It just becomes exceedingly depressing.

I was with you until you wrote the above. Now, I think you're just a joke, and a pathetic one besides.

by Anonymousreply 83January 21, 2018 3:13 PM

What if I just don’t find the stereotypical gay male mannerisms/voice attractive? Sure you can argue that there are gay men who are more masculine and mainstream in appearance and dress, but they really do seem to be a minority.

At the first instance of effeminate behavior I am instantly disinterested. This makes it even more challenging.

Straight and bi men on the other hand I find myself very attracted to. I am not ugly at all and have zero problems hooking up, mostly with hot bi curious white guys in their 20s. But they will never, ever date a guy.

I guess I’m just not willing to settle. I could easily find a decently attractive, effeminate bottom to be my boyfriend, but I would even less happy with that arrangement than I am single.

by Anonymousreply 84January 21, 2018 3:17 PM

"At the first instance of effeminate behavior, I am instantly disinterested."

And this is why you're single.

You have internalized homophobia. It's always the truth.

by Anonymousreply 85January 21, 2018 3:19 PM

R83, you’re a fucking cunt.

It has been well documented that there are a disproportionate amount of bottoms to tops in the gay world.

by Anonymousreply 86January 21, 2018 3:20 PM

If you are not clear what you want in a date you must date a lot of clunkers in order to become more clear about who you want.

You want someone who is pretty? Well you get someone pretty, but he's gym freak who freaks out about food and potentially missing a gym session.

You want someone who is pretty and relaxed? You get someone who's a stoner who is way too relaxed.

You want someone who is pretty but has ambition? Meet Patrick Batemen2.0

Know what you want and be careful what you wish for.

by Anonymousreply 87January 21, 2018 3:20 PM

Of course OP is a troll who think he was oh-so-clever for starting a thread about femme vs. masculine (bottom vs. tops) and trying his best to control the narrative of his own thread.

by Anonymousreply 88January 21, 2018 3:22 PM

R85, I do not have internalized homophobia. I just find effeminacy off-putting. And so do most other gay men—they just settle for a queen because it’s so difficult to find gay men don’t display obvious signs of homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 89January 21, 2018 3:26 PM

Ah, after post r84 we all get why OP is alone now.

The only thing you care about in a boyfriend is some silly cliche of obsession with alpha bro masculinity. You aren't looking for a real person you can build your life with, you are looking for a porn fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 90January 21, 2018 3:27 PM

If you want to find non-stereotypical gay men.....join the military (I'm not kidding)

by Anonymousreply 91January 21, 2018 3:27 PM

Military men might act butch in public, but can be the queeniest queens in bed with their legs in the air and squealing like Mariah Carey in heat.

by Anonymousreply 92January 21, 2018 3:29 PM

[quote]I do not have internalized homophobia.

Insert "Sure, Jane" or "Gurl, please" gif here.

by Anonymousreply 93January 21, 2018 3:29 PM

Jan*

by Anonymousreply 94January 21, 2018 3:29 PM

He's hardly alone, though r90... the vast majority of gay guys are "masc4masc"- even when they are queens themselves. The former version was "no fats no fems" - but it's always been there.

What is so intolerable about being single anyway? Yes, it is sort of hard to move furniture around by yourself, and I don't like going to nice restaurants by myself (without bar seats), and I'd rather have a bf who knows how to fix things around here (had one of those - was the best), but other than that ... the negatives aren't always outweighed by the positives. (The handyman guy was not emotionally stable - but masc and hung!)

by Anonymousreply 95January 21, 2018 3:30 PM

[quote]What if I just don’t find the stereotypical gay male mannerisms/voice attractive? Sure you can argue that there are gay men who are more masculine and mainstream in appearance and dress, but they really do seem to be a minority.

They're not a minority, OP, but because they blend in they don't really stand out. They're also likely to feel uncomfortable in the gay scene, such as it is, not least because of stereotypical gays insisting that their masculinity is a put-on, a sign of internalized homophobia, blah, blah, blah.

Doubt R92 was ever in the military or has any idea what he's talking about in general.

by Anonymousreply 96January 21, 2018 3:35 PM

And yet you all laughed at me when I created the position "Minister for Loneliness."

by Anonymousreply 97January 21, 2018 3:37 PM

[quote]People keep mentioning large cities vs. small cities, but I actually think it might be better when there are fewer choices. When men are presented with endless options (perceived anyway) - then they just keep looking to trade up or get something new.

There's a lot of truth to this.

by Anonymousreply 98January 21, 2018 3:37 PM

I've just given up entirely. Love and romance are BS, it never happens. And don't even think about fidelity.

by Anonymousreply 99January 21, 2018 3:39 PM

Masculine men fit in fine with "the gay scene", no one thinks it is a put on if you are just being yourself. People who don't are people who are insecure and defensive about masculinity, who get uncomfortable at anything "effeminate".

Those are the self-loathing types. Anyone who has been around the block has seen both.

by Anonymousreply 100January 21, 2018 3:39 PM

Agree with R99. After being rejected, called out as ugly, I have given up. Gay life, romance, having a bf and all that is for good-looking gay men. Not for ugly POC like me. Made me feel sad for a long time, but now I am older and care less. It is what it is, and I cannot change it.

by Anonymousreply 101January 21, 2018 3:44 PM

R99 has provided the wisest response. My respect to you!

by Anonymousreply 102January 21, 2018 3:47 PM

[quote]Too many examples of a "perfect life" being displayed for all the world to see.

I think virtually every example of a 'perfect life' I've ever seen read or heard about has turned out in time to be much less than perfect, perhaps borderline hellish or beyond.

The very fact of displaying 'for all the world to see' is a red flag. Idiotic boast, pride preceding a fall. Pointless allowing such boasts to increase self-pity.

by Anonymousreply 103January 21, 2018 3:49 PM

Being single is okay too. We brainwash people in thinking the goal of life is to get married and have some storybook romance. Find your own happiness.

by Anonymousreply 104January 21, 2018 3:51 PM

Thanks, R96. Sometimes I think stereotypical gays like R85 and R93 like to throw around accusatorial drivel like “internalized homophobia” because they know they can never, ever hide their blatant homosexuality, even in the most mundane of social interactions.

This is manifested in jealously and bitterness towards those of us who don’t immediately broadcast our orientations the second we walk into a room.

And yet ironically, it’s these queens who would be the first to drop to their knees if a masculine guy would ever give them the time of day.

by Anonymousreply 105January 21, 2018 3:51 PM

Yes OP, it is certainly a mystery why you are single.

by Anonymousreply 106January 21, 2018 3:54 PM

Fuck off, R100. I never stated effeminacy makes me uncomfortable. I said I’m not attracted to effeminate men and would not be interested in dating one.

by Anonymousreply 107January 21, 2018 3:55 PM

[quote] I just find effeminacy off-putting. And so do most other gay men

Speak for yourself. I have known so many queeny guys who are in long-term relationships.

I think in terms of gay men, they often have the best gay lives.

by Anonymousreply 108January 21, 2018 4:01 PM

This thread went nowhere quickly.

by Anonymousreply 109January 21, 2018 4:01 PM

Well, the mystery got solved rather quickly as to why OP is and shall remain single.

by Anonymousreply 110January 21, 2018 4:02 PM

[quote]Fuck off, [R100]. I never stated effeminacy makes me uncomfortable. I said I’m not attracted to effeminate men and would not be interested in dating one.

NO, you didn't You said :-

"I just find effeminacy off-putting. [bold]And so do most other gay men[/bold]"

by Anonymousreply 111January 21, 2018 4:03 PM

[quote]I’m 31 and I live in a medium/large city that is full of attractive straight guys but the pool similarly attractive gay guys is infinitesimally small.

But so are the number of guys looking for them.

So it balances out.

For some reason, you're not getting laid.

This is your problem - NOT the gay dating pool.

You only need ONE partner, not a "pool".

by Anonymousreply 112January 21, 2018 4:08 PM

R101, my heart goes out to you. It can be difficult in the gay world if you are not conventionally attractive, and doubly so if you are a minority.

I’m glad you don’t let your situation get you down. But I’m sure there’s someone out there for you, it’s just much harder to find stable gay guys who actually want to date in their own league.

by Anonymousreply 113January 21, 2018 4:10 PM

Dallas has much more HOT, ATTRACTIVE and AVAILABLE men than that fucking shithole Austin.

What idiots are posting that Austin crap?

by Anonymousreply 114January 21, 2018 4:10 PM

[quote]And yet ironically, it’s these queens who would be the first to drop to their knees if a masculine guy would ever give them the time of day.

AGAIN - NOT so.

Queens often go for and are attracted to their own. What world do you live in?

It's YOU who has an obsession with butch men.

by Anonymousreply 115January 21, 2018 4:12 PM

Come again, R112? I am getting laid, often. My last hookup was a 23 year old 6’2 160lb bi curious white guy with blue eyes and a big dick.

My frustration comes from the lack of DATING options with GAY men.

by Anonymousreply 116January 21, 2018 4:13 PM

The dating pool is all a bunch of 5s looking for 10s.

Sometimes a 2 can get a 10, but this is very rare.

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by Anonymousreply 117January 21, 2018 4:14 PM

Dallas is filled with Prada and lipgloss hourly retail queens who think their city is the Paris of the South. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 118January 21, 2018 4:16 PM

R117 the 10 is a fetishist, obviously

by Anonymousreply 119January 21, 2018 4:16 PM

[quote]My last hookup was a 23 year old 6’2 160lb bi curious white guy with blue eyes and a big dick.

Says it all, really.

by Anonymousreply 120January 21, 2018 4:17 PM

r116 I am in the same boat, and the hot hookups (the bisexuals and whatever else) will never ever date - I'm lucky if I can get a repeat with them. There are a lot of really hot ones (and they're reliably masc) but then you try to date and that crowd is much less desirable. Queens with attitudes that the hot bisexuals don't even have. Calling you "self loathing" for not wanting a queeny guy just demonstrates a lack of understanding. People have other preferences (height, hair color, eye color, ethnicity) and none of these are based on any "self loathing".

by Anonymousreply 121January 21, 2018 4:17 PM

[quote]My last hookup was a 23 year old 6’2 160lb bi curious white guy with blue eyes and a big dick.

Do you have all the statistics of the guys you've "hooked up with"?

Do you write them down in a little book? - or keep them on your phone?

by Anonymousreply 122January 21, 2018 4:21 PM

Op just needs to find someone who wants to stick around.

by Anonymousreply 123January 21, 2018 4:23 PM

[quote]Says it all, really.

No see, he is totally looking for love!

by Anonymousreply 124January 21, 2018 4:24 PM

R116, thank you! The sentiments expressed in this thread are why myself and many gay guys who share my feelings, avoid gay spaces.

R122, I was responding to R112, who was insuating that I must be unattractive and hence not getting laid. I pull hot white dudes all day long, but they’re bi and prefer women.

by Anonymousreply 125January 21, 2018 4:25 PM

Honey, you have it great compared to lesbians. There is no lesbian equivalent to grindr or other gay apps because the size of the lesbian demographic is miniscule. I have been involuntarily single for almost 5 years because of the dearth of dating options. Most of the lesbians I see are overweight/obese, low IQ, undereducated, and suffer from various mental health and a substance abuse issues. That's my shitty dating pool, so be grateful for yours.

by Anonymousreply 126January 21, 2018 4:27 PM

[quote][bold]men who are more masculine and mainstream in appearance and dress, but they really do seem to be a minority.[/bold]

And this is when OP reveals himself to have post a troll thread for fun and giggles.

No guy man talks like that.

by Anonymousreply 127January 21, 2018 4:28 PM

[quote]I pull hot white dudes all day long, but they’re bi and prefer women.

every time you post OP - you dig yourself further into your hole.

by Anonymousreply 128January 21, 2018 4:28 PM

"My last hookup was a 23-year-old 6’2 160lb bi-curious white guy with blue eyes and a big dick."

Don't tell me, let me guess.

His "wife" was out of town, as well, right?

by Anonymousreply 129January 21, 2018 4:29 PM

R117, where’s the 10? I certainly don’t see one.

by Anonymousreply 130January 21, 2018 4:30 PM

Just download an app. I went to college in Dayton, Ohio where the gay dating pool is tragically small but I had no problem finding dates/fucks. I moved to Chicago in 2014 and it's even better here. People don't give a shit and gays are everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 131January 21, 2018 4:34 PM

[quote]Most of the lesbians I see are overweight/obese, low IQ, undereducated, and suffer from various mental health and a substance abuse issues. That's my shitty dating pool, so be grateful for yours.

Yes, odd.

Here in class-ridden England - the lesbians I know who are middle to upper class can never seem to find anyone of their social class, with similar backgrounds. They're not snobs - they just want to date someone with backgrounds like their own. Not A LOT to ask.

by Anonymousreply 132January 21, 2018 4:34 PM

I think it’s hilarious that I am labeled a troll simply for fighting back against you bitter, jaded queens.

And no, R129 he was single. I don’t hook up with guys in relationships.

by Anonymousreply 133January 21, 2018 4:35 PM

Yes, R130 - you're right, they are both equally attractive....

The point was about the disparity... not that he was some kind of objective 10. To me, he's hot. It's not that complicated.

by Anonymousreply 134January 21, 2018 4:36 PM

You hook up with tons of gorgeous white guys but no one ever stays.

Hmmmm....

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by Anonymousreply 135January 21, 2018 4:38 PM

OP is a bottom or top?

I assume bottom cuz he was complaining about the 20 to 1 B to T ratio.

by Anonymousreply 136January 21, 2018 4:39 PM

[quote]OP is a bottom or top?

He doesn't know what he is or what he wants.

by Anonymousreply 137January 21, 2018 4:40 PM

[quote]He doesn't know what he is or what he wants.

I think he knows this though. My guess is he's a bottom who only wants a "masc" top?

by Anonymousreply 138January 21, 2018 4:42 PM

OP reminds me of a guy I know who says he'd like to transition if only to be able to get himself a 'real man' (ie a straight guy) because gay men are too gay for him.

by Anonymousreply 139January 21, 2018 4:42 PM

[quote]I think he knows this though. My guess is he's a bottom who only wants a "masc" top?

Hole in one, gurl.

Change of attitude might help.

by Anonymousreply 140January 21, 2018 4:46 PM

The key to have a successful dating and sexual life specially in the gay community is to understand that nobody is a prophet in his own land. This is why the number of mixed-race gay couples is increasing specially the latino-white pairing type.

Im latin of Mediterranean looks with black eyes, pasty white skin, and hairy body with black hair,plus Im uncut. I was so ashamed of my hairy legs that I used to wax my hair entirely when going to Haulover beach in miami, and guess what, I never got any attention until I decided to leave my body hair on my legs and boy I started getting so much compliments and stares from all sorts of hot men that I've come to realized that my body hair is what helps me attract hot pingas, specially from gringos and europeans

Then, when I was gonna have sex with all the cut white guys that I've been with, I used to feel ambarrased because I was uncut. But the truth is that cut white guys go crazy for uncut latin pinga. Trust me you really don't know how much they love to play with a nice forskin.

My biggest dating pool is now in eastern Europe, and I also get a lot of attention in Iceland and Scandinavian countries, in canada and the USA not as much as I would like to.

by Anonymousreply 141January 21, 2018 4:47 PM

[quote]I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman.

OP wants to be fucked like a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 142January 21, 2018 4:49 PM

[quote]The key to have a successful dating and sexual life

It would also help to realize that trying to find a serious boyfriend, and trying to chase after the hottest dick you can is not the same thing. Most gay men don't get that.

Which one are you actually looking for?

by Anonymousreply 143January 21, 2018 4:53 PM

Hopefully, this thread has given, OP, food for thought.

by Anonymousreply 144January 21, 2018 5:01 PM

It goes without saying LA is great for hot Latino guys. The best ones will never ever use Grindr though. If you really want nice Latino hunks go to Growlr (the bear app), Daddyhunt or Scruff. Grindr is a cesspool anywhere, but in LA particularly is unbearable.

by Anonymousreply 145January 21, 2018 5:01 PM

This might give everyone hope. I had a client who is early 30's, chunky, small dick, vers and on the Aspergers spectrum (he told me). He has a boyfriend who is a little less functional with aspergers than he - further on the spectrum. They met at a gay church and have been together for 3 years. They don't have a ton of sex, but they take care of each other, plan lots of fun things (gay cruises which I can't even picture, weekend get aways, etc), and they have a lot of similar interests. While he might not be the ideal man physically, he has beautiful eyes, a cheerful personalty, and is so thoughtful about his boyfriend & vice/versa. People are just drawn to him. They moved in together in December and he is planning to propose. It was really touching.

Maybe it's an attitude thing and us singletons need to be more open minded? Someone mentioned that you need to have similar attributes as the one you want to attract -so true. If you want a bf with a gym body, money, and a great personality you better have the same thing to offer him. I see this all the time with my single clients. They are older, 50-60lbs overweight, but want the opposite. Also, a lot of gay men refuse to date men in their age range. If more 50 year old went after 50 year olds, there would be less complaining about millenniasl being assholes and rejecting them.

by Anonymousreply 146January 21, 2018 5:02 PM

R50 is right. The problem with most gays is that they want to marry their image in the mirror. So much so that couples look like brothers rather than lovers. Anyone with a diverse taste (such as myself) will get plenty of dick and ass.

by Anonymousreply 147January 21, 2018 5:09 PM

OP's white obsession is as expected.

by Anonymousreply 148January 21, 2018 5:10 PM

^^^^THIS. I didn't want to say what R148 just said but was thinking it. Many people are not attracted to their own race/ethnicity. This isn't a bad thing, but it makes it harder I am sure. That might not be the case for you, OP, but this is a pretty common thing.

by Anonymousreply 149January 21, 2018 5:14 PM

"Someone mentioned that you need to have similar attributes as the one you want to attract"

That's all well and good, R146, but if there's nobody in your dating pool who is like you (because you're an outlier), then how are you going to attract someone like yourself? I am a highly educated gay female, good looking, height/weight proportionate, well read, well travelled, six figure income. I am my own definition of 'a catch'. Short of cloning myself, how am I supposed to 'attract someone like myself' if they don't exist in my dating pool?

by Anonymousreply 150January 21, 2018 5:17 PM

Only narcisist want to attract a similar person than themselves. I don't this. The other guy up there says that LA is a shitty city. I'd bet thousand bucks he only goes after the same white boring image in the mirror. LA is a very underrated city. There's plenty of diversity to choose from, LA, Riverside, San Bernardino etc. Thing is most WASPy queens want to stay within their sheltered boring life somewhat along West Hollywood. There's plenty of diversity in this world. Stop chasing a carbon copy of yourself and you'll never be alone, whether you chase casual sex or long term commitment.

by Anonymousreply 151January 21, 2018 5:21 PM

We are all socialized into looking at white as the standard of beauty, the cold reality is guys of all races tend to be more interested in white guys.

by Anonymousreply 152January 21, 2018 5:22 PM

R151 *Only narcissists want to attract a similar person. I don't get this.

Damn autocorrect.

by Anonymousreply 153January 21, 2018 5:23 PM

R147 and R148, have you ever been to Austin? This city is white, white, white with a smattering of Latinos and very few blacks.

When I meet guys who turn out to be bi curious or secretly bisexual, 9 out of 10 times they are white, so I go with it.

I’d probably be lying if I said I haven’t developed a slight preference for white men because of it, but would NOT turn down a clean cut black guy like myself. Actually I think dating another black guy would be my best bet at a LTR.

by Anonymousreply 154January 21, 2018 5:24 PM

[quote]the cold reality is guys of all races tend to be more interested in white guys.

Myopic and false.

by Anonymousreply 155January 21, 2018 5:27 PM

R154 have you ever considered moving out? Maybe going to a more diverse place? I'm amazed that people keep complaining about the lack of diversity in a town but never once consider moving out to a place where they could find such diversity. Same way farm boys move to the big city, one should consider as a healthy rite of passage, moving to a place they can find diverse options of everything, really.

by Anonymousreply 156January 21, 2018 5:27 PM

[R16], maybe; but I have no lover to hold me at night.

one guy I was with called it a Billy Club; he was trying to help my self-esteem.

I'm just trying to meet someone taller with a big chest and arms; someone who is kind to small children, animals and waitresses; has a sense of humor and 'gets' me

by Anonymousreply 157January 21, 2018 5:28 PM

R155, there have been a ton of large scale studies conducted on how racial preferences manifest on online dating. Yes, both gay men and straight men off all races generally prefer white men.

by Anonymousreply 158January 21, 2018 5:33 PM

[quote]I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman.

I hope OP, and other people who think this way, don't also wonder why the trans craze is so prevalent. This completely feeds that beast.

by Anonymousreply 159January 21, 2018 5:36 PM

I'll get flak for this, but I only found true love and companionship when I decided to date bissexual guys and finally married one. Gay guys are full of drama and are extremely picky and judgmental, nothing seems to be good enough for them. I can't imagine ever dating another gay guy. I've been keeping my open relationship dating exclusively within bissexual men and no regrets thus far. I suppose what needs to change is this cultural cattiness of gays and their histrionics, maybe this way the dating pool will finally satisfy the impossible exceptions they create.

by Anonymousreply 160January 21, 2018 5:36 PM

The data back it up r155, there is the OkCupid data that the OP refers to. And also this survey of 4000 gay men.

Race

For every race, whites guys are the most universally liked.

Among white guys, 88% are into white guys, 38% are into Latinos, 28.5% into Asians, 21.6% into black guys. (you are allowed to have as many responses are applicable)

Among Asians, 82% are into white guys, 54% into Asians, 48% into Latinos, 17% into black guys

Among Latinos, 80% into white guys, 70% into Latinos, 31% into Asians, 22% into black guys.

Among black guys, 76% into white guys, 71% into Latinos, 62% into black guys, 47% into Asians.

by Anonymousreply 161January 21, 2018 5:38 PM

I didn't expect white men leaving black men last.

Pardon my confusion but would 'Asian' include Middle Eastern men? Because in that case, it would make more sense to me although I suspect that most people will mainly think of Chinese/Japanese/Thai/Korean.

by Anonymousreply 162January 21, 2018 5:44 PM

R161, Keep in mind that the above-mentioned survey was conducted on Reddit’s askgaybros sub-forum which is heavily white and Millenial. I know because I participated.

I don’t think the results would be too drastically different if this survey represented a more diverse segment of the gay male population, perhaps in exception to the ranking of black men dead last behind Asian men.

Also, there are many down-low black and Hispanic men who prefer their own race and would never seek out white men for sex.

by Anonymousreply 163January 21, 2018 5:44 PM

Lol Ok Cupid? Self-selected and highly limited "data" isn't really useful.

by Anonymousreply 164January 21, 2018 5:44 PM

How exactly do you propose this can be looked at without looking at data from dating apps and surveys of gay men r164?

by Anonymousreply 165January 21, 2018 5:46 PM

We're all on our own journeys.

No two paths are the same.

I just want Hugh Jackman to leave his wife and marry me.

by Anonymousreply 166January 21, 2018 5:46 PM

Also, a Reddit survey?

White men are popular, but c'mon.

by Anonymousreply 167January 21, 2018 5:48 PM

Yes a reddit survey, not data source is perfect but that did get over 4000 responses which is quite impressive.

If you have a better collection of data on gay behavior I would love to see it, I enjoy looking at these things.

by Anonymousreply 168January 21, 2018 5:50 PM

R150 - You bring up such a good point and I just don't have a good answer for you. I am in LA where lesbian women and gay men don't co-mingle as much at least from my perspective. I had a power lesbian boss. She was part of the A-List Hollywood lesbian set and dated noteworthy women. It sounds like you are very established where you are, but have you considered moving. Where are you located roughly? If you are a catch where you are, you will be a catch anywhere. Long Beach has a fantastic lesbian community and down there, gays and lesbians tend to hang out more. LA there are certainly gorgeous, successful women. Lesbian circles do seem a little insular here. One of my best friends growing up recently came out and has met women through gay sports leagues, crossfit, etc. Anyhow, best of luck to you!

by Anonymousreply 169January 21, 2018 5:51 PM

Actually studies have shown people, gay or straight, prefer partners that look like themselves or their parents. Most people are attracted to the same race.

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by Anonymousreply 170January 21, 2018 5:56 PM

The dating apps (or, as I call them, the "sex apps") have, in my opinion, have done nothing but created unhappiness for young gays today. I came of age in the 70's and 80's, when guys mainly met in bars. Sure, there were bathhouses, but no one with any sense went to a bathhouse in hopes of finding Mr. Right. Pure, unadulterated sex were what the bathhouses were about, a far cry from romance.

My story: It was a damp, rainy, gloomy afternoon in San Francisco shortly after New Years and I was in a bar called The Badlands off Castro St. I must say I was considered very hot stuff in those years and pretty much had my pick (usually) of whoever I wanted, so I was not lacking for sex. However, AIDS was in the process of devastastating the gay male community at that time, so smart men had become much more cautious. Others still fucked around like they always had and most ended up in the obituaries.

So there I was, leaning against the pool table, drinking a beer and smoking a cigarette, really not looking for sex, just a bit of social activity. My eyes wandered to my left and suddenly I saw what I determined to be the most handsome man I'd ever seen in real life. Same as me, he was drinking a beer and smoking. I think I might have stared a little longer than I realized and he suddenly turned at saw me and smiled. I smiled back.

Long story short: We talked for about an hour or so and, frankly, we both fell in love right then and then. It was by then early evening, neither of us had eaten, so we left and went to the Spaghetti Factory on Castro for dinner, where we lingered quite awhile. I asked if he'd like to come over, he did and we were both so excited that we 69'd right on the living room carpet. (We came in each other's mouth almost at the same instant...and, yes, we both swallowed.)

That was the first night we slept together and we recently celebrated 35 years as a couple. We moved from SF in 1990 to Madison, WI and are still here.

My reason for relating all this is to 1) Meeting guys on Grinder is OK, I guess, but the chances of finding long-term are slim, I would say; 2) Meeting a guy face to face and observing his mannerisms, his speech pattern, his background, hopes and aspirations are, I think, paramount in letting you know if he's "the one".

True, not all men who met in bars ended up like us. But now there are " Meet-Up" groups focusing on just making new friends or sharing common interests (reading, hiking, softball, hockey, cooking...you name it.)

As my dear old granny used to say: "There's a lid for every pot." And I believe that. Just forge your own path...you'll find it!

by Anonymousreply 171January 21, 2018 5:56 PM

That study is not about what you are trying to imply r170.

by Anonymousreply 172January 21, 2018 5:58 PM

Yes, white men are fetishized. Even in the straight world, many celebrity men who are POC end up with white women. BUT, the pretty boy or jock look can only last for so long. I can't recall if you said you are a bottom or not. If you are a black top, you will definitely have a market. Austin is totally a white man's game! Honestly, if I were black I would go to Atlanta.

by Anonymousreply 173January 21, 2018 6:01 PM

R170, your study holds true for every ethnicity EXCEPT Asians (both straight female and gay male) who are notorious white worshippers.

Asians will chase down some fat, balding old white guy because they are obsessed with white skin and see a white partner as status symbol.

by Anonymousreply 174January 21, 2018 6:01 PM

One thing that's clear is OP is a gay, stable, genius.

by Anonymousreply 175January 21, 2018 6:04 PM

I am curious about something,and I hope you all can offer some interesting insight . I was one of those boys that was born femme as femme can be. I never,not for one second of my life,ever tried to be "butch". I dressed,walked and talked like a caricature ,though it was just who I was.From 13 on,I was hit on by men of all ages,races and socio economic backgrounds. Gay,straight,bi,they all hit on me. Ive had 3 real lovers/relationships (12,7,5 years) and countless dates(hookups really,but dates sound nicer) . If queeny men are so reviled,so loathed,then how was I so popular ?

Femme hate has always been part of the gay world,in the 70s everybody was a Castro clone. Masculinity has always been prized,yet,there I was in my flamboyant dressing and screaming queen mannerisms and I could walk into most any gay bar and walk right out with a trick.I was indeed very good looking,but there were far better looking men who didnt seem to have the ease I did. Why was that ?

Its why Ive always been flummoxed by people ragging on queens mannerisms,I just cant relate to those who say it matters to them. I slept with every different type there was (one femme guy I seriously considered being with had a huge cock and was astonishingly good in bed) ,with me,always and forever,it was about the DICK. What The DICK was attached to wasnt the be all to end all. So come on fellas,explain to me how I was so successful when femmes are so hated!

by Anonymousreply 176January 21, 2018 6:09 PM

[quote]with me,always and forever,it was about the DICK. What The DICK was attached to wasn't the be all to end all

Haha, you are definitely one proud queen. That is the bottomiest of bottom comments.

by Anonymousreply 177January 21, 2018 6:14 PM

I don't think you are reading the data as it should be read. According to R161 whites are universally liked, however, all other non whites, except for Asians, have just as much of a likening to other non whites.

Latinos like whites and other latinos almost the same (80%/70%) and blacks like whites almost just as much as Latinos and other blacks (76% / 71% /62%), so the assertion that most races only prefer whites is false, as they show they pretty much like other races just the same.

If anything Whites and Asians, according to the survey are the most homogenous and least diverse in their likening. I wonder if this misinterpretation of data is what gave force to crazy over the top identity politics and social justice warriors (who are famous for not knowing how to interpret scientific data and methodology).

by Anonymousreply 178January 21, 2018 6:17 PM

OP, since you are so successful in getting all the blue-eyed, bland cock that you want, just settle for being a capable whore.

by Anonymousreply 179January 21, 2018 6:22 PM

You’re right, maybe I should. Tons of queens would kill their own mothers to get lots of young white dick.

by Anonymousreply 180January 21, 2018 6:28 PM

Yikes

by Anonymousreply 181January 21, 2018 6:31 PM

[quote]crazy over the top identity politics and social justice warriors

Wow, certain crazies will find a way to force in their favorite talking points into any thread.

Surprised you didn't manage to throw in a dig at trans and muslims while you were at it.

by Anonymousreply 182January 21, 2018 6:33 PM

I have zero problems with trans people, as I'm a man of science and understand the biology behind it. I do have a problem with people making social commentary and trying to change laws based on their uneducated reading of data and pseudo-scientific assertions (as proposed by Butler et al), that was the point of the comment. I have zero problems with Muslins, though real data supports my aversion to religion and the fact most Muslin countries are prone to hate gays and women (must be a coincidence, right?).

by Anonymousreply 183January 21, 2018 6:40 PM

Muslin is always causing trouble!

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by Anonymousreply 184January 21, 2018 6:44 PM

By all means go to a Muslin country then, dear gays. I can count on one hand the few Muslin nations where you'd be welcomed being a homo, and I've been to several Muslin nations as part of my job and was only well treated because I'm not the flamboyant type. Try prancing your gurrrrrrl power and swish in Morocco or Iran and come back here to tell me how that went. I'd love to hear. And yes I've been to Teheran twice and to Morocco five times.

by Anonymousreply 185January 21, 2018 6:50 PM

[quote]That makes your dating pool even smaller. And if you want a truly monogamous relationship, the odds get infitessimally worse.

How is it my fault if other gay men are too chickenshit to make a commitment? Open "relationships" are just a glorified form of adultery. It's not love if you still want to have sex with other people on the side.

by Anonymousreply 186January 21, 2018 6:51 PM

[quote] I have zero problems with trans people, as I'm a man of science and understand the biology behind it.

That's a contradictory statement. For one thing, unlike being gay, trans is a choice. And biological sex is real, immutable, and unchangeable. That is a fact. Tolerate this and you tolerate the erasure of gay men and of men in general.

by Anonymousreply 187January 21, 2018 6:52 PM

R187 being transgender is not a choice, only a complete moron with zero knowledge of science and biology would write something like that. There's substancial peer-revised papers showing evidence that trans people have a brain of the opposite sex, so go read a fucking book or shut the fuck up. I'm new to this site, but boy are the gays here unintelligent or what?

by Anonymousreply 188January 21, 2018 6:55 PM

Sorry, the laydeebrain myth has been thoroughly debunked. Fuck off, troll.

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by Anonymousreply 189January 21, 2018 6:56 PM

'a brain of the opposite sex'

n/c

by Anonymousreply 190January 21, 2018 6:56 PM

Begone, vile troll!

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by Anonymousreply 191January 21, 2018 6:57 PM

Having artificial hormones injected into you is a choice. Having healthy tissue cut off is a choice. Changing your name is a choice.

Being gay requires none of those things.

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by Anonymousreply 192January 21, 2018 6:59 PM

Oh boy you people are either trolling or what? i'm not wasting my time educating you people in neuroscience and the brain, my area of study. But well, if you are so smart you all must have access to scientific publications so, it only takes you 1 minute to search their index and find the peer-revised papers to corroborate what I said. But my gut feeling tells me none of you ever read a scientific article in your life, nor do you have access to real science publications so whats the point of wasting my time? This place is the biggest agglomeration of morons I've seen in a while. Bye.

by Anonymousreply 193January 21, 2018 7:01 PM

[quote]By all means go to a Muslin country then, dear gays. I can count on one hand the few Muslin nations where you'd be welcomed being a homo, and I've been to several Muslin nations as part of my job

My sides are splitting.

by Anonymousreply 194January 21, 2018 7:01 PM

The problem with latino is that many latin guys are also white, for instance I am latino and when I shave and wax my whole body I look like a gringo, but when I let my beard grow I look more southern European or turkish,perhaps even persian or middle eastern due to the fact that I have very dark hair.so as latinos our experience with gringos can vary a lot depending on our looks.For gringos in the united states, it is not the same having a "ricky martin" or "Maluma" latino type and a "cholito" from the Andes.

I also remember that long time ago when I had a grindr profile I got many visits and messages from white guys who had in their profiles " no hate but whites only". On several occasions I asked them why they would contact me if they were only interested in whites and they all told me it was meant to blacks and asian to keem them from contacting them. To me those motherfuckers are all assholes.

by Anonymousreply 195January 21, 2018 7:01 PM

Blame the Catholic Church for any internalized homophobia among gays of Italian and/or Mexican descent.

by Anonymousreply 196January 21, 2018 7:03 PM

[quote]How is it my fault if other gay men are too chickenshit to make a commitment?

Hey, I"m not arguing with you, just stating a (very depressing) fact. I want the same thing you do.

by Anonymousreply 197January 21, 2018 7:03 PM

Bye, Tranny @ R193!

by Anonymousreply 198January 21, 2018 7:04 PM

My God, has this thread gone off the rails and has completely diverged from its original trajectory. Could we perhaps go back to OP and how his dating life is so unfulfilled yet is also somehow plentiful in young, white, masc, "bi curious" cock?

by Anonymousreply 199January 21, 2018 7:08 PM

[QUOTE]so as latinos our experience with gringos can vary a lot depending on our looks.For gringos in the united states, it is not the same having a "ricky martin" or "Maluma" latino type and a "cholito" from the Andes.

That’s funny cause I was watching Narcos Season 3 on Netflix and one of the drug lords is a white looking guy. Every time he referred to the DEA as “gringos” I thought it was hilarious since he looks like an Irishman from Chicago or somewhere to me. 😂

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by Anonymousreply 200January 21, 2018 7:10 PM

He reminds me of Peter Gallagher in that picture R200

by Anonymousreply 201January 21, 2018 7:11 PM

I'm also a white latino, but I'm really really pale and my eyes are slightly green, so most white guys just assume I'm white. I fill my dating apps as Latino but I get a lot of messages saying I'm not. I'm uncut too so that helps.

by Anonymousreply 202January 21, 2018 7:12 PM

The truth is latino is not really a racial category. You can be white, black, mestizo or amerindian or any mix of those and be latino.

by Anonymousreply 203January 21, 2018 7:12 PM

Depressing only if you worry about such things OP. At your age why aren't you on a career path, letting love come along when it does. Or… your life will be three cats. If gay is one in six, or one in ten, you are a distinct minority. A fish in a small pool. Deal. And this bottom/op fixation? If you fall in love any sexual imbalance will work out. If not, you shouldn't be in a relationship. Too, life must be more than "a dating scene" … but maybe the life of a plain gay guy of today will have to be like the stereotypical spinster librarian or church lady of old. Worse, on Grinder everyone wants a beauty far above them. Ir has always been so. Too bad for the plain, so they come to D.L. and wail.

by Anonymousreply 204January 21, 2018 7:24 PM

The trans dating scene is much worse than Lesbian or Gay men. It’s either tranny chasers who fetishize you or hoping to meet a tolerant str8 who probably is going to ghost you eventually. That said, I’m in a long term relationship. I just kept at it and finally met someone who was easy to get along with, shared similar backgrounds, etc.

I guesd you have to be persistant and keep every avenue of meeting a potential mate open. The sex part can’t be the main foundation of a relationship because that fades over time. I think the apps have had an all around negative impact on the lgbt community with such a narrow hookup focus.

by Anonymousreply 205January 21, 2018 7:38 PM

I've never had a problem getting dates / relationships. Maybe it's you.

by Anonymousreply 206January 21, 2018 7:45 PM

Latest okcupid racial preference stats.

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by Anonymousreply 207January 21, 2018 7:45 PM

Trans is both a choice and a war on homosexuality. Those who perpetuate its evil lies need to be put in jail for the safety of children and for the future of gay rights, gay identity, and gay culture.

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by Anonymousreply 208January 21, 2018 7:48 PM

The truth is, Mole, I liked your organs the way they were.

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by Anonymousreply 209January 21, 2018 7:49 PM

[quote]I'll get flak for this, but I only found true love and companionship when I decided to date bissexual guys and finally married one.

You MARRIED a bi guy?? That sounds very unlikely, but maybe you hit the jackpot

by Anonymousreply 210January 21, 2018 7:56 PM

[quote]I'm also a white latino, but I'm really really pale and my eyes are slightly green, so most white guys just assume I'm white. I fill my dating apps as Latino but I get a lot of messages saying I'm not. I'm uncut too so that helps.

Where do you live? You sound like my perfect type!

by Anonymousreply 211January 21, 2018 7:57 PM

According to Okcupid's research, in the straight female world, white men are the most desirable, Indian men are the least desirable.

For straight men, Middle Eastern women are the most desirable, black women are the least desirable.

For gay men, Middle Eastern men are the most desirable, followed by white men. The least desirable are black men, followed by Asians.

For lesbians, Indian women are the most desirable, black women are the least.

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by Anonymousreply 212January 21, 2018 8:05 PM

Damn, R207 that Okcupid data is depressing as hell! Although it doesn’t come as much of a surprise.

I posit that lighter skinned/more Caucasian-featured black people like myself fare a bit better in the hookup market, but dating wise I think its going to be a struggle for a black guy no matter how he looks.

I do notice, even on Datalounge that slightly above average white guys are fawned over while a minority would have to be exceptionally attractive to warrant such adulation.

I had a friend several years ago call me “vain” and response to him was “of course I am. I’m a black guy and have to keep myself looking as good as possible because my race is a demerit in the world of gay dating”.

by Anonymousreply 213January 21, 2018 8:29 PM

[quote]For gay men, Middle Eastern men are the most desirable

Yes, that would fit with the type of men posted endlessly as "hawt" on DL.

by Anonymousreply 214January 21, 2018 8:36 PM

[quote]I’m a black guy and have to keep myself looking as good as possible because my race is a demerit in the world of gay dating”.

So basically - this is about your race - which you said nothing about in your original post.

by Anonymousreply 215January 21, 2018 8:38 PM

To be fair, he brought it up in his first reply (@ R17).

Also to be fair, race is going to play a factor in this. An uncomfortable truth, but a truth nonetheless. If OP is a bottom, he's placed himself in a very niche market. He may have better luck if he's "vers".

by Anonymousreply 216January 21, 2018 8:41 PM

Finding a man is not my problem. Keeping a man is what I need help with. The reason some single gay men feel so pessimistic our about dating prospects is because of all the things that are shrinking our numbers: AIDS, transcultism, the closet, suicide caused by internalized homophobia, anti-gay laws in other countries (and in some places in the West, still).

by Anonymousreply 217January 21, 2018 8:43 PM

[quote]For gay men, Middle Eastern men are the most desirable is this a joke?

by Anonymousreply 218January 21, 2018 8:44 PM

[quote]If OP is a bottom

To be fair - he said he is, more or less, in his first post.

by Anonymousreply 219January 21, 2018 8:44 PM

[quote]To be fair - he said he is, more or less, in his first post.

he implied it, complaining about the bottom to top ratio. But would be nice if he would confirm.

by Anonymousreply 220January 21, 2018 8:46 PM

[quote]For gay men, Middle Eastern men are the most desirable is this a joke?

hahhhahhhahhaa

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by Anonymousreply 221January 21, 2018 8:46 PM

[quote]For gay men, Middle Eastern men are the most desirable is this a joke?

No, it's an attempt to quote something posted previously, but missing a carriage return.

by Anonymousreply 222January 21, 2018 8:47 PM

Tops don't run around complaining about the bottom/top ratio.

by Anonymousreply 223January 21, 2018 8:47 PM

YES I’m a bottom.

But I mostly just suck cock. I don’t want to be in diapers by the time I’m 50.

by Anonymousreply 224January 21, 2018 8:49 PM

OP, why are you expecting the predictably small gay population in your burg to meet your needs? Move to NYC, Chicago, or Los Angeles like everyone else, and take some responsibility for your own gay happiness!

by Anonymousreply 225January 21, 2018 8:49 PM

The data is interesting and all, but who is signing up for Ok Cupid? My impression is that it's mostly whites or nonwhites who (strongly) prefer whites, so a skew like that shouldn't be surprising. One need not read more into it than that.

by Anonymousreply 226January 21, 2018 8:50 PM

[quote]But I mostly just suck cock.

Another detail you forgot to include.

by Anonymousreply 227January 21, 2018 8:50 PM

It aint great for gay women either. Especially when you like feminine , classy ladies.

by Anonymousreply 228January 21, 2018 8:51 PM

[quote]OP, why are you expecting the predictably small gay population in your burg to meet your needs? Move to NYC, Chicago, or Los Angeles like everyone else, and take some responsibility for your own gay happiness!

Did it ever occur to you that some gay people actually like small towns because they're less expensive and quieter?

by Anonymousreply 229January 21, 2018 8:52 PM

[quote]YES I’m a bottom.

No kidding. Tops don't run around saying: " I can say without a doubt that given a choice, I would much rather have been born a straight woman".

by Anonymousreply 230January 21, 2018 8:52 PM

Yeah, I had the feeling OP was mostly doing oral. Nothing really wrong with that, unless you're going to complain about the top/bottom ratio in your city.

by Anonymousreply 231January 21, 2018 8:53 PM

If you want them to stick around, you've got to let them stick it in.

by Anonymousreply 232January 21, 2018 8:54 PM

OP is an oral bottom who doesn't want to suck another bottom's dick.

by Anonymousreply 233January 21, 2018 8:55 PM

We now have a "man of science" among us who has been to Morocco and Iran (and no doubt has sipped champagne on a yacht) but who earnestly and consistently spells "Muslim" as "Muslin"? You couldn't make it up!

by Anonymousreply 234January 21, 2018 8:57 PM

[quote] If you want them to stick around, you've got to let them stick it in.

You want me to let you stick it in, you have to have more to offer than just a nice dick.

by Anonymousreply 235January 21, 2018 8:58 PM

He SURE is picky!

by Anonymousreply 236January 21, 2018 8:58 PM

Yeah I don't get why people kept asking about the top/bottom thing, when OP was bitching about the lack of tops and said he wanted to be a woman.

The question was answered at the very beginning.

by Anonymousreply 237January 21, 2018 8:58 PM

I think social media is partly to blame.

Too many examples of a "perfect life" being displayed for all the world to see.

It can make one with an average life feel inadequate.

Instagram

by Anonymousreply 238January 21, 2018 9:01 PM

Why don't you all stick it.

by Anonymousreply 239January 21, 2018 9:01 PM

[quote]But I mostly just suck cock. I don’t want to be in diapers by the time I’m 50.

He's a bottom, looking for a hot top, but hates anal.

& wonders why he can't find a BF.

by Anonymousreply 240January 21, 2018 9:05 PM

So OP Is a light-skinded black bottom who won't put out. And wants only white "Dude bros". Which he claims he gets all the time, just not to date.

Dude: White bottoms who DO put out are lining up for the 1 out 20 tops that are out there!!!! You claim to be getting all this BI white dick, and you're complaining??

Finding a bf is hard for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 241January 21, 2018 9:05 PM

[quote]So OP Is a light-skinded black bottom who won't put out.

No so much putting out - but taking it in

by Anonymousreply 242January 21, 2018 9:07 PM

The cold truth is most white guys who are into black guys are looking for a black top, not a black bottom.

Being a black bottom is a tough road to go on.

by Anonymousreply 243January 21, 2018 9:08 PM

[quote]Being a black bottom is a tough road to go on.

Perhaps if you're obsessed with white men...

by Anonymousreply 244January 21, 2018 9:12 PM

r243 plenty of roads are made of black top.

by Anonymousreply 245January 21, 2018 9:12 PM

[quote]Perhaps if you're obsessed with white men...

Which this OP seems to be, thus my point.

by Anonymousreply 246January 21, 2018 9:13 PM

[quote] I think most gay men, if they are being totally honest with themselves, would say the same.

No, and stop projecting your own self-loathing onto the rest of us. I am a gay man. I have always been a gay man. I will always be a gay man. I only am attracted to men and will only ever be attracted to men. You need to put your self-loathing misandry and homophobia behind you if you ever want any man to be interested in you as someone they would actually want to date, not merely have sex with, but actually date.

by Anonymousreply 247January 21, 2018 9:13 PM

R238 SO TRUE.

by Anonymousreply 248January 21, 2018 9:17 PM

I've never found small gay dating pools to be depressing. In fact, I kind of enjoy them.

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by Anonymousreply 249January 21, 2018 9:18 PM

Most social-media users are on to the "perfect life" illusion by now. It's one of the most talked-about aspects of social media in general.

by Anonymousreply 250January 21, 2018 9:20 PM

Fine, you guys got me. I LOVE white dick, shoot me. If I didn’t I would hardly be hooking up at all here.

And upthread I did say that I would have a much better LTR with another black guy. But he would need to be a clean cut dude, which is harder to find.

by Anonymousreply 251January 21, 2018 9:22 PM

This explains the obsession with [italic]One Day at a Time[/italic] among some of DL's users: so many gay men are scared and need another man to hold us.

by Anonymousreply 252January 21, 2018 9:22 PM

[quote]And upthread I did say that I would have a much better LTR with another black guy. But he would need to be a clean cut dude, which is harder to find.

There are plenty of clean cut back guys, esp gay ones.

by Anonymousreply 253January 21, 2018 9:30 PM

[quote]Did it ever occur to you that some gay people actually like small towns because they're less expensive and quieter?

Yes, that did occur to me, and apparently they're also places where the affordability and quiet help make it easier to hear all the bitching over not having enough suitable, masculine, top, attractive gay guys to fuck and date!

by Anonymousreply 254January 21, 2018 9:46 PM

R253 has never lived in an actual black community. The ONLY clean cut black men are church boys,the rest dress like thugs.It is literally their uniform.The only other clean cut black men are office types,and they move to the white neighborhoods as soon as they can.

by Anonymousreply 255January 21, 2018 9:59 PM

[quote] The ONLY clean cut black men are church boys

That's not true.

[quote]The only other clean cut black men are office types

But you just said only in all caps, now you admit there is an entire other class of college educated clean cut black guys working professional jobs.

[quote]and they move to the white neighborhoods as soon

Yes, generally professionals do not live in poor neighborhoods, which primarily black neighborhoods tend to be.

by Anonymousreply 256January 21, 2018 10:01 PM

R218, not a joke. It's called data.

by Anonymousreply 257January 21, 2018 10:02 PM

[quote]Yes, that did occur to me, and apparently they're also places where the affordability and quiet help make it easier to hear all the bitching over not having enough suitable, masculine, top, attractive gay guys to fuck and date!

The butch/femme divide is just another cult of jenn-durr brainwashing tactic designed to tear gay men apart from one another.

by Anonymousreply 258January 21, 2018 10:05 PM

Where do r255 & r256 live?

by Anonymousreply 259January 21, 2018 10:06 PM

R226, what data do you have to support your 'impression' that OKC attracts mostly whites or 'white-o-philes'?

by Anonymousreply 260January 21, 2018 10:08 PM

Where is this supposed mad rush of gay men to fuck Muslims (the majority of Middle Eastern men?)

by Anonymousreply 261January 21, 2018 10:16 PM

[quote]the peer-revised papers

Thanks for this idea. I think it'll make me a fortune!

by Anonymousreply 262January 21, 2018 10:29 PM

Effeminacy in men is off putting and annoying . Toxic masculinity so often displayed by extreme butch so called lesbians is frightening and repugnant..

by Anonymousreply 263January 21, 2018 10:37 PM

r212 interesting poll.

I'm an Arab bi total top, masculine and athletic, and yes I'm Muslim (deal with it). No exaggeration but I literally have to fight off the blond white boys who beg me to pound them with my big cut cock. But for dating and relationships I prefer other bi men of color.

r261, Ricky Martin, Cristiano Ronaldo, George Michael, Rihanna and Britney Spears all chose Middle Eastern men. Face it, we're the best lovers. Not that we'd want anything to do with a pasty dweeb like you. Tennis star Jan Michael Gambill also has a Muslim partner Malek Alqadi who is fully accepted by his devout mother who wears hijab.

by Anonymousreply 264January 21, 2018 11:07 PM

[quote] And this bottom/op fixation? If you fall in love any sexual imbalance will work out. If not, you shouldn't be in a relationship.

I'm perfect so why shouldn't I have perfection? The jealousy directed towards me in this thread is incredible.

by Anonymousreply 265January 21, 2018 11:14 PM

Real men are both gay and Jewish, R264. Bisexuality and heterosexuality are perversions because the desire to commit PIV-rape is not natural. The Jewish God is God, the Jewish God created Male and Female, and if the Jewish God had wanted us to be together, then He would have made us the same.

And Britney Spears is a no-talent hick!

by Anonymousreply 266January 21, 2018 11:19 PM

R263, if masculinity were toxic, then why are there women who aspire to it? Because they realize that femininity is inherently degrading when applied either to women or to men.

by Anonymousreply 267January 21, 2018 11:20 PM

R265 is an imposter. No, according to these data I am clearly not perfect. Being a gay black bottom I’m the least desired demographic...

by Anonymousreply 268January 21, 2018 11:23 PM

266, I can think of many gay Jews and NONE of them are anything close to being a real man. The tragic delusions of a Zio-troll.

by Anonymousreply 269January 21, 2018 11:24 PM

Not just a homophobe but a racist, too. Typical goy trash. You camel fuckers are all a bunch of cowards who think violence is the first solution to everything. From now on I'm only dating Jewish men because only Jewish men are real men.

by Anonymousreply 270January 21, 2018 11:30 PM

Real men don't worship a mythological convicted felon like Jesus or a racist pedophile like Muhammad.

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by Anonymousreply 271January 21, 2018 11:31 PM

You can ban Matt a thousand times and he STILL pops back up, like weeds.

by Anonymousreply 272January 21, 2018 11:31 PM

Stop wasting your time with the goyim.

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by Anonymousreply 273January 21, 2018 11:34 PM

Judging by DL standards, 80% of gay men (and that's being quite conservative) are addicted to pron. It's all they think and talk about. They fixate on it and even stalk "porn stars" as a hobby.

So yes, the gay dating pool is quite shallow.

by Anonymousreply 274January 21, 2018 11:36 PM

Meanwhile, goy boys project their prejudices onto the Jews.

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by Anonymousreply 275January 21, 2018 11:39 PM

R20 and we can be proud of our last President too presumably a gay man.

by Anonymousreply 276January 21, 2018 11:52 PM

No gay man with so much as a modicum of self-respect would have pardoned Bradley Manning nor thrown out Log Cabin Republicans v. United States.

by Anonymousreply 277January 21, 2018 11:56 PM

Try being 52 knowing most of my cohort is dead and realizing it 15 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 278January 22, 2018 12:01 AM

OP, I appreciate your candor. Sorry this thread keeps careening off the rails. (Some FFing and some ignoring here.)

There are some things that 57 yo me would go back in time to mention to 30 yo me, because I think they might be food for thought...and it seems like you might like some fresh perspectives?

Yeah, question strict adherence to the top/bottom binary. It's not a contract you signed, it's just a matter of what's worked so far and what could work in the future. Some of us have experienced both, at different times in our lives, with different guys -- often with hot results.

Explore having more than one or two "types", if you haven't already. There are some attractive guys out there, different heights/weights/ages/colors. You could miss out on some joy and some hotness if you don't open that door -- even just a little more.

And if the current town feels too small, figure out a way to live in a different town.

r184: I'm dying! He still didn't catch on!

by Anonymousreply 279January 22, 2018 12:07 AM

"No gay man with so much as a modicum of self-respect would have pardoned Bradley Manning nor thrown out Log Cabin Republicans v. United States."

Bradley Manning never hurt gay people and the Log Cabinettes are evil

by Anonymousreply 280January 22, 2018 12:09 AM

Trans is a war on gay rights, gay culture, and gay identity.

Bradley Manning endangered the lives of Americans, including gay ones.

And when a gay American ambassador lost his life at the hands of Muslims, Hillary Clinton said "what difference does it make"?

Liberals are unreasonable, unbelievable, and undateable.

by Anonymousreply 281January 22, 2018 12:12 AM

Gay people have served this country for years only to receive this slap in the face.

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by Anonymousreply 282January 22, 2018 12:13 AM

[quote]"He was not a humanist; he was a hacker who described his fellow soldiers as [bold] 'dykes' [/bold] or 'global idiots'. He was not a troubled young soul; he was a determined soldier with the ability, knowledge and desire to harm the US. He was not a whistleblower; he was a traitor."

Bradley Manning was and is a homophobic piece of shit and so are you if you defend him.

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by Anonymousreply 283January 22, 2018 12:14 AM

R184, I don't cotton to muslins.

by Anonymousreply 284January 22, 2018 12:19 AM

No war for polyester!

by Anonymousreply 285January 22, 2018 12:21 AM

OP, do you have a big ass? That is what 99% of black men want, the clean cut guys and the thugs!

by Anonymousreply 286January 22, 2018 12:26 AM

Then here's how you get a big ass if you're too lazy to do squats:

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by Anonymousreply 287January 22, 2018 12:28 AM

Are you GEN?

by Anonymousreply 288January 22, 2018 12:41 AM

Following up on r264, NBA player Kenneth Faried was raised by two black Muslim lesbian moms. Black lesbian Muslims don't exactly grow on trees, and yet if they can find each other and create a happy successful family, what excuse do you have for being alone? By the way, Kenneth is a practicing Muslim who supported LBGTQ marriage equality.

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by Anonymousreply 289January 23, 2018 2:06 AM

OP, I have to tell you that being a bottom that doesn't dig anal doesn't end well. I'm 46 and similar. Couldn't deal with femme guys for sex and boyfriends.

So... masc tops are going to want to fuck you. So if you don't, it probably won't work out. They get annoyed you aren't giving it up enough.

If you find a masc top that is ok with rarely having anal... You're probably dealing with a vers bottom who will eventually want you to fuck him.

If you can learn to top, you will open up a lot of possibilities.

by Anonymousreply 290January 23, 2018 6:36 AM

R210 Yes, I married my bissexual partner and we have, as I stated, an open relationship. He still loves to fuck women. I find it hot, thought I'd never do it myself. I have dated other bi guys in strictly monogamous relationships. I guess if you're not a drama queen the chances of finding drama free relationships are great. I really never identified with the gay community. I hate divas, hate musicals etc. so I guess I just liked what most straight or bi guys like as well. I believe a lot has to do with my personal tastes rather than the sexual orientation. All my bi friends hate effeminate gays and most of the catty stuff drama queens love. Your chances of snatching a bi guy will increase the less stereotypically gay you are.

by Anonymousreply 291January 23, 2018 1:35 PM

I'm R291 I don't want to sound mean, but the reason lots of gays think Bi guys are not serious is because the only thing you have in common with most of them is the desire to have sex. If you happen to have common interests, several of them will open up to the possibility of a relationship. Bi guys hate gays who call them by feminine nouns (why would you, to anyone who isn't a woman, really?), they hate flamboyance (why would they if they can have real women?) they are basically looking in a guy what they can't stand in women. If you happen to reproduce all they hate in woman, like cattiness, gossipy personality, flamboyance/loudness (bi and straight men HATE flamboyant women) I guess you have a pretty good shot.

I don't like sports (though I've played rugby for a while - had a boyfriend who loved it), but I love hard rock, horror films, I very much enjoy outdoor activities (hate the gym, but I digress) and met my husband at a bookstore (of all places). I guess I'm just a very regular guy. I'm not saying other gays aren't regular, but several gays feel the need to impose themselves through camp and artificial behavior and that's a turn off.

The older I get the more it becomes clear to me the reason bi guys from old days still prefer closet cases or DL hook ups is that they don't have to deal with this whole artificial persona many gays are still embracing. And never, never say GRRRRRLLLL and stuff like that. Why act like a fucking clown, are you auditioning for a circus?

by Anonymousreply 292January 23, 2018 5:20 PM

I will not share my man with another man and certainly not with a woman.

by Anonymousreply 293January 23, 2018 5:38 PM

THANK YOU R292!!!!!

I scrolled down to post something very similar to what you wrote, but (a) you beat me to it and (b) you are far more eloquent.

I've never had much in common with stereotypical gay guys. I don't dislike them, I will have sex with them, but there's rarely any kind of connection afterwards for all the reasons you've stated.

Sex and fuck buddies have never been problems but finding guys I actually want to talk to other than "you free tonight?" is an issue.

I also want to point out your very accurate definition of a "regular guy" and how that's so accurate compared to what many DLers think of as what DL calls "masc"-- some Andy Cohen type guy with a backwards baseball cap and the cut off $95 shirt from the Gay Gym Store™ who can talk about what he does for his quads but the rest of his conversation is about gossip, fashion, cattiness, divas. That's not a regular guy. That's a femme guy playing dress up.

The good news is you're not the only one R292. It's just that guys like you are much harder to find.

by Anonymousreply 294January 23, 2018 5:43 PM

[quote] I'm not saying other gays aren't regular

Psyllium husk will take care of that in no time.

by Anonymousreply 295January 23, 2018 5:53 PM

This thread makes me grateful I am single and alone.

by Anonymousreply 296January 23, 2018 5:54 PM

Great, it only took like 4 minutes for the cattiness of the easily offended clowns to show up. Congrats R295 for proving my point. R292

by Anonymousreply 297January 23, 2018 5:55 PM

Why would someone who's easily offended make a poop joke?

by Anonymousreply 298January 23, 2018 5:58 PM

I am a bottom who doesn't like anal - because I have IBS-D. It takes a week of dietary motoring and lomotil to make sure it's all clear for landing. And it burns back there when I have a bad spell. I have found enough guys who don't have to fuck me. I am not sure what this thing about "masc tops will insist on fucking you" is about. There are a lot of guys who don't care if you don't fuck.

It's even worse now because everyone is on PrEP and insists on bareback... so the last 2 years have made it more difficult than ever.

by Anonymousreply 299January 23, 2018 5:58 PM

R292 and R294 know and understand the struggle of those of us who just want to date regular guys.

Ditto, R292, bi guys cannot stand stereotypically gay behavior, vehemently avoid gay spaces, and are often not out to their friends and family. And honestly, who can blame them? What has become of gay culture is an embarrassment to any man who actually values his masculinity.

Also, Ive noticed that gay men publicly vilify bi men but secretly try to get with them because even though they may be queens themselves, they find the swag and natural masculinity of bi dudes to Ben attractive.

by Anonymousreply 300January 23, 2018 6:09 PM

R290, I have just really never been into anal. Not bottoming and definitely not topping. The ass just is not something I find sexually arousing. This is a huge problem because gays are OBSESSED with anal.

The bi guys I’ve been with really like getting sucked off and can do other things like make out, mutual masturbation, and cuddling without the expectation of anal.

by Anonymousreply 301January 23, 2018 6:19 PM

Anal is great and no men will deny it if they ever get their prostrate massaged correctly. Maybe OP hasn't found a good fucker yet. Who knows?

by Anonymousreply 302January 23, 2018 6:21 PM

R302, yeah, nothing beats a prostrate message.

by Anonymousreply 303January 23, 2018 6:36 PM

I am a gay man. I want a gay man who wants me and me alone.

by Anonymousreply 304January 23, 2018 6:37 PM

r5 Where in NJ pray tell? And please don't say the trashy 'Jersey Shore' bars and clubs are a great place to meet men.

by Anonymousreply 305January 23, 2018 6:41 PM

Yeah, the more you're revealing, the more it becomes clear that the 'dating pool' isn't the issue.

It seems like the best you can be is a "bi" guy's occasional side piece. A side piece that doesn't dare approach him while he's out with his "bros".

by Anonymousreply 306January 23, 2018 6:41 PM

If many gays acted like normal guys instead of bad carbon copies of women I bet the bi guys wouldn't have a problem going out with them and the "bros". No one can stand a clown and a caricature 24/7 it's irritating. Not even children can endure that in a party for more than 20 minutes.

As for the OP, hang in there. How about you try to find some other masculine bottom guy who dislikes anal? Or maybe some g0y (is that still a thing?).

by Anonymousreply 307January 23, 2018 6:49 PM

I just prefer oral top guys, R307. When I call myself a bottom, I mean I’m an oral bottom. And finding guys NOT into anal is very hard even though I’m sure they’re out there.

by Anonymousreply 308January 23, 2018 7:29 PM

OP you are going to have to make some compromises if you're looking for someone to have a real relationship with...you seem to like bisexual masculine guys. but if you started entertaining more guys that aren't as masc you might find they are more lenient with wanting anal. Its either that or you need to explore anal and learn how to make it work for you. Tops out here might mess with you, but just know they have a guy on call who is more than willing give up the whole booty.

Otherwise you're just going to be the gay those bi guys call when they want head and their woman is not on the job. You sound like you're at a crossroads and want more than that, and you should!

by Anonymousreply 309January 23, 2018 7:45 PM

R307, you can blame effeminate gay guys all day and all night long, but that won't solve OP's problem in the slightest.

[quote]Otherwise you're just going to be the gay those bi guys call when they want head and their woman is not on the job.

Exactly. R309 nails it.

by Anonymousreply 310January 23, 2018 7:51 PM

Like I said, the butch/femme divide is just another way the cult of jenn-durr tears gay men apart from each other. We are all gay men.

by Anonymousreply 311January 23, 2018 7:53 PM

R307 makes a solid point.

I have met many guys who say they are bi but who really just don't want to be part of the gay "scene" as they feel they have nothing in common with most out gay guys.

Not sure how you solve that because I think for a goodly number of gay guys (most?) that's just who they are--very feminine, dramatic, interested in fashion and divas and whatnot. They're not suddenly going to wake up tomorrow and like baseball or be completely oblivious as to which fork their dining companion is using.

Hang in there OP. There are "regular" guys out there. They're not easy to find, but they're out there.

by Anonymousreply 312January 23, 2018 7:56 PM

[quote] Most gay men don't get that

R143 what a homophobic thing to say. Most gay men partner up you idiot.

by Anonymousreply 313January 23, 2018 7:56 PM

One more point: for a lot of guys, especially those who are not Kinsey 6s, the notion of going from "I like having sex with other guys" to "I want to find a boyfriend and fall in love with another guy" is a huge step and one that a lot of men don't readily make.

I've found a lot of guys, thanks to an easy availability of partners and long-term fuck buddies hit 40 without ever having had an actual boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 314January 23, 2018 8:01 PM

Internalized homophobia keeps gay men from being able to love each other.

by Anonymousreply 315January 23, 2018 8:02 PM

R310 I'm not 'blaming' anyone, I'm just stating a fact. If you act like a normal man you would have a better chance to hang with the bi guy you lust after and even date them. Act like a caricature of a woman and a clown and all you'll get is laughter, as you should.

by Anonymousreply 316January 23, 2018 8:07 PM

[quote]It’s even worse in Dallas or Houston. Seriously.

That's not true at all. Dallas and Houston have a much deeper dating pool pool than Austin. The Austin gay scene is only good for guys in their 20's because of UT. If you're age 30+ and single, you're going to have a much harder time. That means being attractive, having money and traveling a lot. There's no way I'd move there unless I was already in a relationship.

by Anonymousreply 317January 23, 2018 8:09 PM

Let me put it this way. Who would you rather have sex with: Rick Schroder or Richard Simmons?

by Anonymousreply 318January 23, 2018 8:10 PM

R307 I feel you buddy, but they can no more help who they are than you can. While they may be able to tone it down slightly, they can't eliminate it.

by Anonymousreply 319January 23, 2018 8:12 PM

[quote]If you act like a normal man you would have a better chance to hang with the bi guy you lust after and even date them.

Then how anyone else acts shouldn't be a problem, and the stereotypes can flit about to their hearts' content. OP seems to still have a problem getting his lust objects to hang with him and/or have a relationship with him, in spite of not being an effeminate.

by Anonymousreply 320January 23, 2018 8:12 PM

[quote] Who would you rather have sex with: Rick Schroder or Richard Simmons?

Is it always that stark, that binary? How about Rick Schroder or Gus Kenworthy?

by Anonymousreply 321January 23, 2018 8:14 PM

I don't get it when people here say regular gay guys are a minority. Most gay guys I've met in my life were regular guys with very common tastes. I guess it depends on where you hang and what tastes you have.

It's one thing to be more femme due to hormones and stuff, thats a biological thing. Now acting catty, flamboyant etc is a CHOICE, don't come here telling me this is just "how they are" when it's obviously a poor job at mimicking a woman, that won't cut it.

I hate it when activists throw out there that there's a "gay essence" in this pathetic mockery at femininity. There isn't. That's just histrionics and narcissistic behavior at best.

by Anonymousreply 322January 23, 2018 8:18 PM

R321: My point is there are men who are actually gay and men you actually want to have sex with. Sometimes the venn diagram overlaps. But some people tend to look for personality and looks and ignore sexual orientation. That can be awkward. Some men can have everything I could ever want in a man except homosexuality. Some men have nothing but that in common with me.

by Anonymousreply 323January 23, 2018 8:21 PM

The current scene in NYC is sad too. Clubs and bars are closing. There's lots of posing around hoping for the gorgeous guys to talk to them.

No one stays in a relationship particularly long because there are so many men to choose from.

Grindr gets old quickly. Plus the same guys are on every app.

by Anonymousreply 324January 23, 2018 8:21 PM

And I'm not into guys with tattoos, so pick a better counterexample.

by Anonymousreply 325January 23, 2018 8:22 PM

People who lament about not finding enough "regular" guys are always rejecting regular guys because they aren't good looking enough

by Anonymousreply 326January 23, 2018 8:22 PM

I don't doubt that there are gay guys who have what I want in a man, but whether they would ever consider me worthy of their love is another matter.

by Anonymousreply 327January 23, 2018 8:24 PM

Love yourselves first!

by Anonymousreply 328January 23, 2018 8:34 PM

The reason you're just the sidepiece for these guys is because for most masc tops, oral is not enough.

by Anonymousreply 329January 23, 2018 8:38 PM

r7 the grass always seems greener.........................most women are looking for love...not dick

by Anonymousreply 330January 23, 2018 8:46 PM

I think you guys are putting to much of the dating dearth on effeminate gays. Always putting down the feminine ones. At the end of the day, the dicks get sucked the same and the ass gets fucked the same. These masculine guys who stay closeted are a problem. If more of them were out it would open up the dating pool and allow real courtship to go on. It would also give society a better perspective on the gays. But as long as feminine guys continue to have sex with these guys in secret like they want, we will have these issues.

by Anonymousreply 331January 23, 2018 8:50 PM

R317, Dallas is awful for gay black men. Guys on dating apps openly post things like “no black guys” and the quality of dateable men, in my opinion is very low in my opinion.

Also there are a lot of stuck up guys there as well. Guys in Austin do tend to be better looking and more laid back.

Plus, there are 100 bottoms for every top in Dallas, even worse than Austin. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 332January 23, 2018 9:10 PM

I've had plenty of sex with bisexual guys but I feel nothing but disgust towards them. I simply use them as sexual toys, so my pool when it comes to relationships is pretty small, cuz I can only fall in love with gay guys. However, when it comes to sex I'm not that choosy. Also keep in mind that there are loads of Bel Gris types of bisexual. He describes himself as a non practicing bisexual, which is another way to tell you that you will never seen him fucking a guy or letting a guy suck his cock. So that attitude from those types of "bisexuals" reduces our pool even more.

by Anonymousreply 333January 23, 2018 9:13 PM

R304 Exactly. Everyone is a slut nowadays and it disgusts me to the point that I don't want to settle with anyone. And I'm a good looking guy in 20s.

by Anonymousreply 334January 23, 2018 9:26 PM

Well OP you certainly raised a great many issues that lots of gay men, including myself, have had to deal with. I am 52, and I have been out since I was 23. Being gay has been both a blessing and a curse, as I am sure being a woman has been for my female friends, and being straight has been for a great many of my straight males friends, white or otherwise. The major problems I have seen in the gay world are self- hate,the deep bigotry that comes from the self- hate, and an unwillingness to bend that would out match a middle school girl. Gay men never settle! To settle doesn't mean you get second best. It means you get a great many of the qualities you want, and a red wagon full of what you don't want. Most people settle. They come to see that they must give priority to some desires, and hope that others are there as well. But if they aren't don't allow them to block the view. And the view is important. You may never look out over the beautiful sea everyday but do you really need that?

My problem has always been that the men I meet are in the moment. I am always thinking about the future. Gay men are all about the moment- which won't last and will age. At 52 I look as good as I did at 18 because I feel so happy with myself. If that happiness isn't enough- if I have to woo with my dick, my color, my body type, how much of a fantasy I fulfill, my age- then it's not for me. To misquote Mae West " it's not the men in your life, it's man's life inside of you." I stopped in my thirties worrying about what gay men desire. I realized that things happen by happenstance - if I live my happy life either someone will join or they won't. But I have no self- hate about being gay brought on by other gay men. Once you get your shit together OP you too will disregard they childish desires for looks and sex. A relationship won't stop your self- hate, stop you from being horny, make the world look at you in a better way, or console your fears. It's work. In all of these comments all I see are people who want something from someone else. But what do you have to give of real value?

I love the story about the two guys with Asperger's'. They realize that love doesn't have to come in some perfect form because they aren't perfect. So they settle for things they really need: care, understanding, love. They seem smarter than the rest of us. More self aware. Being gay is like having a sexual form of Asperger's. If you saw yourself that way then the pool wouldn't be small because you would suddenly notice the other's with sexual Asperger's, and seeing that there were few of you would reach out more. The straight white male is never going to be ours. NEVER! Look for yourself, your gay self, maybe even your black gay self. And be grateful for the happiness that you get in such a small, mean , cruel world. It was once worst than is now.

by Anonymousreply 335January 23, 2018 9:27 PM

Its hard because we are a minority. I do not think that being a woman is easier like others said above, I like to being a man and I like men. There are good guys out there you just need to travel more

by Anonymousreply 336January 23, 2018 10:15 PM

I will never understand how heterosexual men can waste their time chasing after women who don't want them while ignoring men who do.

by Anonymousreply 337January 23, 2018 10:35 PM

I'd personally add another issue that shrinks the gay dating pool for me: how incestuous the community can be. As in: if you live in a city, the chances of you finding a boyfriend that hasn't already hooked up with someone you know is very very small. And if that is an issue for you (it is for me), then you're genuinely fucked.

by Anonymousreply 338January 23, 2018 10:38 PM

R337 Because they arent into men ?

by Anonymousreply 339January 23, 2018 10:44 PM

Their loss if they don't want my nice tight ass and would rather have some loose, stanky pussy.

by Anonymousreply 340January 23, 2018 10:46 PM

[quote]A relationship won't stop your self- hate, stop you from being horny, make the world look at you in a better way, or console your fears. It's work. In all of these comments all I see are people who want something from someone else. But what do you have to give of real value?

What if the kind of loyalty it takes to make a monogamous relationship work is all you have to give that's of real value?

by Anonymousreply 341January 23, 2018 10:48 PM

R340 You crazy

by Anonymousreply 342January 23, 2018 10:50 PM

R342 You're a bigot against gays and the differently abled.

by Anonymousreply 343January 23, 2018 10:51 PM

I understand that having sex with a straight man is the ideal, the brass ring, the holy grail but why does everyone think they are so special? They can be messy, they can be rude, they can have control issues, they can have uncontrollable tempers, they stink if they don't bathe or brush their teeth as often as they should, many have low paying jobs, they generally don't have the same interests as gay men, and on and on. What is so special that makes you ignore the available gays?

by Anonymousreply 344January 23, 2018 11:07 PM

Is it common these days for younger gays to only like sucking cock? I hear reports of everyone only wanting to suck cock and no one wants their cock sucked.

If this is true, we should being back glory holes.

I know there are a lot of two bottom relationships, but it must be tough when no one even wants their cock sucked.

by Anonymousreply 345January 23, 2018 11:28 PM

R345, I have no reference for what the cock sucking situation was like before 2007, but there are WAY more cocksuckers than cocksuckees among younger gay guys.

That’s why I prefer bi dudes. Theyre the ones who like to kick back and get head.

by Anonymousreply 346January 23, 2018 11:41 PM

R345, Why wouldn't someone want his cock sucked?

by Anonymousreply 347January 23, 2018 11:45 PM

R343 Still a crazy

by Anonymousreply 348January 23, 2018 11:50 PM

R348 is engaging in psychological projection.

by Anonymousreply 349January 23, 2018 11:54 PM

[quote]They can be messy, they can be rude, they can have control issues, they can have uncontrollable tempers, they stink if they don't bathe or brush their teeth as often as they should, many have low paying jobs, they generally don't have the same interests as gay men, and on and on. What is so special that makes you ignore the available gays?

You don't think there are gay men to whom at least one or more of those apply?

Some gay men are more masculine than others, but the bottom line is that we are still men and we still need each other.

by Anonymousreply 350January 23, 2018 11:59 PM

R349 What are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 351January 24, 2018 12:02 AM

R347 - right? But apparently a lot of dudes only want to suck.

R346/OP - Well, that bi dude thing isn't going to last forever. Guess what? Good looking masculine Bi dudes can have their pick, there's 100 more like you on the apps, and in 10 more years, you won't be the pick. You really should consider at least trying to diversify sexually, just for the sake of meeting someone to date (if you want that). The more you limit yourself, the smaller the already "depressingly small gay dating pool" gets.

Then again, if sucking off "bi" guys turns your crank, go for it, just know that it gets to be a tough row to ho/hoe as you get older.

Not trying to be a prisspot, but I've been down this road and I've seen the end.

by Anonymousreply 352January 24, 2018 12:27 AM

R351: Say what?

by Anonymousreply 353January 24, 2018 12:35 AM

[quote] This explains the obsession with One Day at a Time among some of DL's users: so many gay men are scared and need another man to hold us.

I love One Day at a Time, but that doesn't describe me at all. I would just like to find a man whose ideal date would include an afternoon picnic on Bonnie Franklin's grave.

by Anonymousreply 354January 24, 2018 1:48 AM

OP, what about sucking random bi guys dicks do you find so fulfilling? Do you like being servile and not having any strings attached?

I always wonder about guys like you. I think all that dick sucking is a way for you to get a nut, but to avoid having a man actually make love to you. That can be a big road block to a man who wants to be intimate and have a relationship with you. Some guys can sense when you don't think your worthy and if you don't like yourself. And you are already raising flags for other black men who will question your dating preferences.

by Anonymousreply 355January 24, 2018 2:47 AM

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by Anonymousreply 356January 24, 2018 3:58 AM

[quote] I would just like to find a man whose ideal date would include an afternoon picnic on Bonnie Franklin's grave.

What would the picnic consist of?

by Anonymousreply 357January 24, 2018 7:10 AM

I live in a mid-sized town on I-40 half-way between Memphis and Nashville. About 60,000 in the city and 100,000 in the whole county. There are several colleges in my town and using Tindr I get a lot of matches from people my age (25-35) in Memphis, Nashville, Mufreesboro (MTSU), Murray, KY (MSU) and even Oxford MS. I have had luck connecting with guys but nearly every time the distance is what gets in the way.

The area has changed a lot, but for instance I was in Lowes the other day and I could tell that this guy wither thought he knew me or was interested. I answered my phone while I was on the same aisle as him and his head turned quickly when I picked up and said "Hey man, where are you." I could tell there was something he wanted to say since he followed me around a little but quickly went away when the guy I was meeting showed up. This happens a lot while shopping. Guys will stare or even ask if they know you from somewhere, but I've yet to have a guy come onto me in a normal non-creepy was in public.

The South has changed a lot, but no matter how these guys feel they know their families will not be accepting. Unfortunately, outside of tindr many of these guys are married or black guys on the DL that want to get sucked off in their car. It gets pretty grimy pretty fast if you use grindr. I'm relationship oriented, so it can be hard finding a guy that doesn't just want to hook-up.

by Anonymousreply 358January 24, 2018 3:28 PM

We just look for sex so much that when we mature enough to want more than just sex, we have no idea how to have a relationship

by Anonymousreply 359January 24, 2018 4:41 PM
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