What Problems Do You Have With the Over hyped and Over Praised Call Me By Your Name:

The only problem I have with it is dumbasses on here keep repeatedly creating new threads about it.

My problem is with the haters trying to draw attention by hating in a really monotonous way.

[quote] My problem is with the haters trying to draw attention by hating in a really monotonous way.

Yes how dare we point out what we disliked about the movie that we payed to see. I personally don't hate the movie. It was okay, but not great.

My problem is I can't find it on a streaming site. Damn AMPAS and its crackdown on uploading screeners!

It's a great film, OP.

And a stupid thread.

Awesome, ANOTHER thread about the same movie. What - are there about 9 threads now? What's the point in creating another one?

R4 try Kodi.

[quote] Awesome, ANOTHER thread about the same movie. What - are there about 9 threads now? What's the point in creating another one?

There's too much craziness to wade through on the other threads.

Yes Armie Hammer looks nowhere near 24 but then it was intentional I think. How many teenagers fantasize about going at it with an older man? Like EVERYONE? This movie was an homage to that fantasy. Let's not beat around the bush. So many of my friends are loving this relationship not inspite of Armie looking like Tim's uncle or teacher but because of it. I personally think Oliver was miscast but the difference in their ages and sizes isn't an accident. Armie did a passable job as Oliver but could've been better in the hands of a better actor.

I abso-fucking-lutely agree with R9. Armie was no mistake. Not using an actor closer to 24 changed the entire dynamic of the story.

[quote] I abso-fucking-lutely agree with [R9]. Armie was no mistake. Not using an actor closer to 24 changed the entire dynamic of the story.

Made it creepy and tone deaf for this particular moment in history.

Your survey writing skills suck, since you don't have an option to disagree with your premise, ergo it's a leading question.

No problem. It's terrific.

Loved it. My only problem is idiots like OP who feel they need to take it down for some reason, and try to force it by creating polls that only skew in the direction they want.

I loved it too

I thought the dad's speech at the end was kind of creepy. Was the dad trying to tell his son something?

I loved it and would not change a single thing in it.

If you loved it and found now major flaws. Then please take your ass and your comments back to one of the 16 threads that you've already filled with your bat shit lunacy.

I enjoyed the film but have a few observations.

#1. The gayest thing in the film was the Dad. This was evident in the scene where he and Oliver one-up each other about some obscure historical fact, again when they all admire the statue fragments brought up from the deep, and was most apparent in the overly precious father/son dialogue after Oliver departed. During some of the pauses I was beginning to think that Dad was hoping that Elio would fill him in on Oliver's dick size.

#2. What the heck was with all of the cigarette smoking ? All of the main characters smoked and Mom in particular was almost never seen without a butt. Perhaps if Dad was better at fulfilling his spousal duties Mom wouldn't need to look to caffeine for kicks.

#3. The young actor who played Elio gave the strongest performance. He had an appealingly natural quality which never flagged. It took me a while to warm to the actor playing Oliver but ultimately he proved equal to the role.

#4. It was a bit of a stretch to believe that a supposedly straight upper middle class famiily would be so accepting of Oliver and Elio's affair and have no worries about what it might portend for Elio's future.

Oops, not caffeine, nicotine.

Ansel Elgort would’ve made a better Oliver.

Ansel would've been completely unconvincing as a graduate student in any field outside of Business.

Too many close ups of Timmy's armpits.

[QUOTE]Ansel would've been completely unconvincing as a graduate student in any field outside of Business.

A little facial hair would’ve taken care of that.

Italian critical bias.

Enough of this pretentious pederast wop propaganda. We want [italic]God's Own Country[/italic]!

How about the suggestion of anal sex with no preparation and no lubrication?

[QUOTE]Enough of this pretentious pederast *** propaganda. We want God's Own Country!

Uhh, can’t you have both? Nothing wrong with discussing two films. Why don’t you make a thread for GOC?

Because the better and more age-appropriate of the two films is not getting enough publicity. And frankly, yes it is disgusting to me that a country allows someone who isn't yet an adult to have sex but not to marry someone of the same sex.

R19 Near every intellectual smoked in Italy in 1983. Different times. Besides, you can hardly do awards-level ACTING without a butt in your mouth at all times. Everyone knows that. Just ask Oldman's nicotine-stained face.

R27 Who said they had anal sex? I just assumed oral and frottage. And I love anal but for some reason, I didn't get the vibe here that they did it.

I'd love for LG to have cast a couple of hot Euro gay actors closer in age and who'd have no problem with full frontal. But then we'd just get another God's Own Country and who's talking about that one?

The book is pretty clear on that R30. Not as it's happening, but Oliver asks Elio if his hole hurts the next day and Elio ruminates on how his aching hole is going to remind him of Oliver and what they did. And then one morning at breakfast Elio is thinking about how he topped Oliver the night before (no detail, just a sentence to the effect that Oliver had let Elio top him.)

It seems that Ivory's original script had the first time anal sex scene it it, reads very similar to QAF, you see them in position and then see Elio's pain/pleasure face.

[quote]reads very similar to QAF

Another attempt to normalize pederasty.

[quote]Ansel Elgort would’ve made a better Oliver.

Ansel isnt a very strong actor, compared to Armie. Plus, Elgort looks way too young to play Oliver.

Ansel is at 23 too young to play a 24 year old?

Armie Hammer is a strong actor?

Nothing. It's a beautiful gay movie for straight people.

[quote] Ansel isnt a very strong actor, compared to Armie. Plus, Elgort looks way too young to play Oliver

Do you know what a 24 yr old actually looks like?

Mediocre Armie is by no means strong.

Ansel is 29, I'm quite sure.

Ansel is too pretty boyish, and looks 18. Armie is macho looking, and he’s got that sexy voice!

Ansel Elgort (born March 14, 1994) is an American actor, singer and a DJ (under the name Ansølo). As a film actor, he played Tommy Ross in the horror film Carrie (2013), Caleb Prior in The Divergent Series franchise, Augustus Waters in the romantic teen drama The Fault in Our Stars (2014), and the title character in Edgar Wright's action thriller Baby Driver (2017). He received a Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy nomination for the last of these.

BorntMarch 14, 1994 (age 23)

New York City, New York, U.S.

Yes, and you can just imagine Armie using that sexy voice to say, “Get upstairs and finish your homework.”

The character was supposed to be 24. Timothée with his scrawny shoulders and brawny Ansel would’ve looked better together with a relationship that played closer to the book.

I want a beautiful gay movie for gay people.

[quote] Yes, and you can just imagine Armie using that sexy voice to say, “Get upstairs and finish your homework.”

Laying in bed together they softly whisper:

Call me by your name . . .

Uncle Bottom

Elio

Uncle Bottom

Elio

Uncle Bottom

Stop calling heterosexuals straight.

And since Corey was molested by men and didn't turn out gay, that theory is out the window. But I still can't help thinking he has a point.

I find it very interesting that Wilmer Valderama has been criticized and demonized for decades; because he dated 17 yr old Lindsay Lohan and a few other 17- 19 yr old women, while in his early twenties. Which I always thought was ridiculous. Being that technically she could have been a college freshmen and he a grad student. It was plausible and probably not that unusual. Now the same people, who still criticize Valderama, praise the casting of CMBYN.

I have no praise for anyone involved with [italic]That 70s Show[/italic], especially not someone who dipped his dipstick in a skank ho like LiLo.

Hammer looks 40

Armie Hammer is a strong actor?

Does he get any money from the baking soda?

R45 Brad Pitt did the same thing but he was never criticised for dating 16 year old girls odd

Armie Hammer is annoying

And Jerry Seinfeld saying "no hugging, no learning" seemed kind of disingenuous when he was dating the then 17-year-old Shoshana Lowenstein.

Pitt is gay Juliette Lewis was bearding for him but it seems being seen as a pedo is better than being openly gay for some people (Incl. Brad Pitt) 🙄

My problem with the movie was that I didn't really get this as a great "love affair" -- sex, sure, but real connection not so much. Given how long and slow-moving the movie was, I didn't see why this wasn't explored better. I have not read the Aciman book, so maybe there's more there.

The people I saw the movie with didn't have a great answer to this either. They thought maybe Oliver was impressed with Elio's intelligence/musical skills but to me, given that Oliver is in graduate school, he probably has other smart people around him.

Thank the Children of God cult for that, R53. They were all over Hollywood in the 1970s and 1980s, and they tolerated every kind of sex except adult male homosexuality.

I'm just really tired of half the threads on DL being about this movie, or its actors.

Then talk about [italic]God's Own Country[/italic] instead.

And do it here.

Enough with the glorification of all things Italian. In real life, if you want your heart smashed into a million pieces, then by all means fall in love with one.

R54 the book isn’t about a love affair, it’s about the narrator’s obsession. There really isn’t a love affair; the characters have a sexual relationship for ten days and then Elio is obsessed with it for the rest of his life.

There weren't enough closeups of Armie Hammer.

More Armie closeups, please!!!

There is no sexual misconduct in this film. So you idiots who cannot distinguish a great love story in a country where the legal age of consent is 16: go suck you thumbs in a corner while you strangle yourselves in your pearls. God no wonder we ejected Trump.

And I hope none of you have children too.

Elect, not eject

My problems:

1. Pretentious setting and tedious characters who spend all their time lolling about an estate smoking, reading, eating fruit and swimming in the lake.

2. Armie Hammer sounds 50, looks 40, and is clearly self-conscious in many scenes.

3. Ellio and Marzia are a much more appealing match than Ellio and Oliver.

4. Ellio’s Father reminds me of Robin Williams.

5. What the Hell was Oliver supposed to be doing to help the father? He spent most of his time sunning and riding his bike.

Or we could just watch movies about age-appropriate gay relationships, R63/R64.

And the legal age of consent in Italy is 14, not 16.

And don't use "but it's the law" as an argument for anything. Just don't.

Scarlett Johansson was 17 (i.e., three years younger than Timothée during filming) when she filmed "Lost in Translation" and played a married woman who had a romantic connection with 52-year-old Bill Murray and no one seemed to be upset by this...

That would require me to give a shit about that movie, R68.

You forgot to include the following options, OP:

---the creepy apologists bleating about age of consent laws/it's not pedophile, it's EPHEBOphile.

---even if everything is legal, the pics of them together still skeeze me out.

---Chalamet looks like a rat

and of course, the all-important

---ALL OF THE ABOVE

"What Makes You Beautiful" came out in the U.S. when the members of One Direction were 18-20… Does Timothée in CMBYN look younger than the members of 1D in 2012? No he does not.

I have no problem with the father. My father is a doctor (medical) and we have had many similar conversations. And, some that were rather more embarrassing. My mother has even written about my homosexuality and how I deal with it along with my myriad life issues. The liberal, intellectual class tend to be more open regarding sex and sexuality.

I don't understand why we shouldn't point out the age of consent laws. Do people not understand the purpose of those laws or what, exactly? We don't legislate by what *you* (in another country, at that) personally find skeevy and inappropriate. If we did, SSM would still not be legal.

But I agree with the poster who said Hammer looks forty and sounds about fifty. When he told Elio that he had massaged him in the first days to show him he liked him, I got a bit skeeved out myself. We wouldn't be having this conversation around age if they just found a more age-appropriate actor for the part. Which they easily could, of course, if the director just allowed the traditional audition process to go forward.

Typical survey and totally irrelevant. There are no options for those that liked the movie. I haven't seen it yet so I didn't vote.

I thought the talk with his dad at the end was beautiful. Especially in light of Oliver calling to say he was engaged and that he was jealous how well Elio's parents took the news he was gay, how his own parents would have sent him away or something like that. That scene spoke volumes looking back to 1983 and the climate then.

However, I would have appreciated Oliver's part being played by an actor who looked a little younger in both looks and attitude. It was like watching Don Draper chase a child for 2 hours.

Do not try to equate laws banning same sex marriage with laws prohibiting sex between adults and minors, R73, or imply that as a member of a minority oppressed on the basis of same sex-attraction, I'm obliged to to support the loosening of restrictions on the age of consent.

I personally loved the movie. A friend, who was sexually abused as a child calls it "trash" and "pedophilia propaganda" . Is it "Pedophilia propaganda" if they are both willing participants? Eilio, to me was very mature mentally, that was attractive to Armie's character. It also seems like a double standard, Eilio is having sex with Maritiza as well. Is it OK for him to fuck her but NOT for him to have a sexual relationship with Armie? BTW I LOVED those tiny shorts and was really expecting, the way they filmed it, to see ball sacs.

Armie was 29 years old when it was filmed.

Only problem was no naked Armie :(

He easily looked early 40s and like he was the dad. That dancing scene was chaperoning the school dance. No way did he look remotely close to a 24 year old grad student.

Instead of Ansel as Oliver what about Scott Eastwood? To me he looks younger than Army and older than baby face Ansel. Though i dont know how good he would have been acting wise.

[quote] Is it "Pedophilia propaganda" if they are both willing participants?

"They want it" is a common defense pedos use to justify their behavior.

I cant imagine that young people watching the film view Hammer as one of their peers. I don't believe that this film will age well.

The onus should be on the adult character to know that it’s unfair to pursue the youth. The book has an epilogue which shows Elio being permanently scarred by the affair, while Oliver is able to more maturely compartmentalize it. The movie only drops off at the suggestion of “puppy love heartbreak.” So yes it is propaganda in the respect. As well as, “Oh he’s so precocious and intelligent, he can handle it.” We’re back to “Manhattan” with Tracy being wiser than Isaac in the finale.

Film Fest Darling Call Me By Your Name Romanticizes Predatory Relationships

It seems to have DL in a tizzy, and I don't care for tizzies.

The claim that the minor "came onto the adult" thus making it ok and leaving the adult blameless, was even made by an OH politician about a 4 year old girl. It's a perv script.

The stills from this movie are and SHOULD BE uncomfortable for adults. TC does not appear sexually mature and AH looks to be middle aged. This kind of thing fucks kids up, mitts off!

Armie is simply not talented enough. Chalamet is too skinny and too odd looking. I'm sick of queens shoving this film down our throats like some steam room encounter.

It’s the greatest gay love story ever made. So, get over it!

Armie Hammer, handsome as he is, strikes me as an awkward, lumbering doofus.

The scene where he orders Elio to drop his pants then gives him a quick suck creeped me out.

My biggest problem with the movie is that my shrink hasn't seen it yet!

Granted it was a beautiful script and a beautifully shot movie. Without Timothy Chalamets great emotional acting this movie could've fallen flat on it's face. Altho I did enjoy the movie I did feel extremely uncomfortable seeing someone like Armie (uncle type) chasing after Elio. My son will be 17 in a few years and the thought of him with someone who looks like in his late 30s of early 40s gives me the creeps. It's a predatory behavior. But sadly it's also a fantasy of many teen boys to get it on with older people. So yes they want it? Does that make it moral on the adult's part? A resounding NO! Also I found Oliver's acting subpar on the whole. Yes good in a few scenes but overall blah. Armie looks like too much like a noodle man to be sexy.

^^ When was Oliver "chasing after Elio?"

I think we wouldn't have the predator discussion if the movie had better captured what the older guy saw in the younger guy. If the movie had better described why Oliver fell in love with Elio, I could have related easier. Likewise with Elio. It's not quite clear to me what made him fall in love with Oliver.

Overall, I enjoyed the movie a lot though. Once I accept THAT they are in love with each other, I find the movie quite touching. And I don't care about the age discrepancy. The teenager is 17; he is not a child. Legally it isn't wrong, and morally it's not wrong either. It's certainly emotionally challenging for a teenager, but that goes for all teenagers who are in love for the first time. And Oliver didn't do anything a boyfriend of the same age wouldn't have done. Quite the contrary; Eliot was not blind-sighted or tricked or manipulated into anything. So I don't really get the outrage here. Again, it probably would have been easier to relate to these two, if the mutual infatuation had been more obvious.

[quote]He easily looked early 40s and like he was the dad.

Well he was only 29 playing 20's (in the book 24), and Timothee was 19 I believe, playing 17.

In a court of law, how you LOOK is not relevant, rather how old you ARE. As pointed out many times already, Elio was above the age of consent in Italy. And Armie was 29....

So all this clutching at pearls is moot and stupid.

So sick of reading that Armie looks 40. He doesn't. He looks his age. He looks great. Timothee looks like a thin young man. The film is superb and Chamalet's performance is a phenomenon. The only people who see pedophilia here are creeps.

why feed the pedo trolls? do not engage with them. they are impervious to facts and reason and have no understanding of either the book or the movie, just tedious shit stirrers

I can't imagine anyone taking issue if a 29-year-old actor was paired with a 20-year-old actress...

Pervs, the movie is not going to find a wide audience, thus the need for shills to encourage gays to see it multiple times.

The images being flacked so hard are intended to norm perving on minors. The casing looks like an underaged kid and a middle aged man. Upon repeated viewing, the goal is to lessen the visceral reaction. Pervs even have conferences at Cambridge, of course it is a multi-pronged approach.

In the past, gays kicked N A M B L A out, time to do it again. If not, don't be surprised by the backlash, esp to gay teachers and dads.

[quote]He easily looked early 40s and like he was the dad.

Put him next to your average 40-year-old man and he easily looks a decade younger, which, of course, he is.

Hammer doesn't look older than Jude Law when he played Dickie Greenleaf in "The Talented Mr. Ripley," who, like Armie, was then at the peak of his beauty.

Baking Soda has a receding hairline and the demeanor of a doofus. Overreaching doesn't help your cause.

10 years ago he looked young, now, very much like the 40 year old posted, actually.

Slumming it with the "experimenting" film out of desperation.

I wanted to love the movie but was let down. I don't get all the love for Chalamet. I didn't think his performance was anything special and don't find him attractive so I didn't see the big deal.

Hammer is good looking but not a good actor at least in this.

But there are the commercials stating 'hands down best film of the year' and 'a masterpiece'

Whatever.

They are trying to make an ok or good adaptation of a book the end all of all movies. Let history be the decider. Will we be googoo and gaagaaing over this movie in ten years?

The part where Armie tries to eat the jizz peach is really sweet.

Armie did manage to get a little taste of Timothée's peaches and cream.

Bear Emo Love

[quote]But there are the commercials stating 'hands down best film of the year' and 'a masterpiece'

The only movie in the box office top 10 that wasn't a sequel or a reboot was [italic]Wonder Woman[/italic]. It's been a slow last 25 years for intelligent adult-centric mid-budget American mainstream movies.

The part where his father has the heart to heart with him about Oliver, where he's going on and on about "what you had with him," fell so flat for me, because the actors didn't show me what the characters "had" leading up to that point. I felt nothing for them. The best acting by either of them was Chalamet in the last 60 seconds of the film. By then, it was too late.

If this wasn't set in Italy, it wouldn't be getting a tenth of the kind of hype it's getting.