Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7)

Link to previous thread.

Fascinating set of Tweets from Abramson on Ivanka's dealings.

Looks like Daddy groomed her in more ways than one.

[quote]I'm delaying a thread about Ivanka, the Russian mafia, Daphne Galizia, the Panama Papers, Alexandre Nogueira, and ICIJ until I have more time. Until then, a summary: Ivanka was working with Russian mafia; Galizia helped uncover it; Galizia was assasinated.

[quote]2/ That most have no idea one of the world's most trusted news outlets reported weeks ago that Ivanka worked with Russian mafia within the last decade—while Don was bragging about the Trumps' Russian investors—tells you everything about how "hard" media has gone after the Trumps.

[quote]3/ Ask most Americans if Ivanka is implicated in dealings with Russia and they'll say "no." Did she visit Putin agent Emin Agalarov in Moscow in 2014, months after her dad signed a letter-of-intent with Emin's father, Putin's real estate developer? Yes. But, you know, crickets.

[quote]4/ Was she dealing with the Russian mafia at a time journalists say Russia was beginning to develop Trump as an asset? Yes. But crickets. Does Bannon insist "Javanka" (not just Jared, but Ivanka) has been in on every major Trump-Russia decision made by Trump? Yes. But crickets.

[quote]5/ Ivanka works at the White House; is in on every major White House decision; knows her father's secrets; has the same Russian ties he does; is clearly being groomed by Trump for future business or political greatness; and yet media *never* connect her to the Trump-Russia probe.

[quote]6/ That Mueller gave Flynn such a sweetheart deal—when Flynn was atop the Trump NatSec machine that had covert dealings with Russia—tells you Mueller's theory: the Trump-Russia scandal is a family affair that pre-dates 2015. Which means he's looking at Jared, Don Jr., and Ivanka.

[quote]7/ Even Eric lied—saying he never told a reporter his dad's golf courses were funded by Russians. Trump trusts family; it's not clear he trusts anyone else to see all his Russia ties. Remember that. Oh, and this: the FBI is investigating Galizia's death.

[quote]8/ To sum up: Galizia worked at ICIJ before she was assassinated; ICIJ received proof Ivanka's Panama business partner Alexandre Nogueira was a fraud; that proof is what led to Reuters connecting Ivanka to the Russian mafia; the FBI is now investigating.

This thread has more info than the mistakenley created duplicate, so I vote to stick with this one...

I haven’t been keeping up with news the past couple days, and checked out msn.com this morning.

The only article they had was about how Mueller is waking a landmine because of the guy ( who was immediately reassigned) texted his gf about Trump being an idiot. ...totally going along with the right wing narrative.

No mention that he also texted anti Clinton and sanders messages too. And that you don’t have to be a trump supporter in order to objectively investigate him. And that he was immediately reassigned.

For those of us who think Mueller is following the money, look at this article from earlier in the year.

Trump has been engaged in money laundering going back decades.

OP, I didn't do anything wrong - hard to believe as I belong to this horrible family ...

Will I have to go to jail, too?

:-(

Ivanka directly tied to a potential political assassination linked (once again) to her father's Russian Kremlin interests. That is beyond damning.

As a dual national I hope and pray that Cambridge Analytica, Rupert Murdoch, Momentum, the Mercers, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage go down with this too.

Bump

R10 And save a place in jail for that weasel Assange.

With all the talk from the right about "purging" the FBI floating around, Mueller really needs to pull the trigger soon. Or it may be too late.

There needs to be a purge alright. In 2021.

Fuck this Ivanka bitch.

You did, Jared at R15... and I'm sure you thought about daddy the whole time.

And it will be revealed by Oprah on live TV:

You're going to jail and You're going to jail and You're going to jail and You're going to jail and You're going to jail, You're ALL going to jail !!!

Russians Want Americans To Doubt Mueller....

“There is a perception among the media and general public that Russia ended its social media operations following last year’s election and that we need worry only about future elections,” the pair wrote. “But that perception is wrong. Russia’s information operations in the United States continued after the election, and they continue to this day.

During one week in early December, for example, roughly 20 percent of the activity from accounts tied to Russian intelligence for propaganda was focused on undermining faith in Mueller’s investigation into potential collusion between Russia and the successful campaign of Donald Trump, according to research by The Alliance for Securing Democracy."

R18 There was an orchestrated campaign by the Russian bots that urged people not to retweet Seth Abramson on Twitter a couple of weeks ago. Some of them were telling us the same thing right here on DL at that time.

So I can't even begin to imagine what kind of shit they have in store for Mueller.

Undermining faith in our democratic system of government -- so, even more treason. And, they are willingly being aided by the morons in Congress and in the media who are more than happy to do what the Russians want.

Despicable.

Traitors! Round ‘em up!

Of course the bots are still active! There is still plenty of chaos and misinformation to spread in order to poison the US citizens' minds

Apparently Flynns family asked Trump to pardon Flynn yesterday......lol

Reallly R23? Hahaha!

r24......

If tRump is involved -- as the evidence thus far seems to show -- then pardoning any of his co-conspirators could be seen as a further attempt to obstruct justice.

This criminal needs to be removed from office and thrown in prison.

Media doesn't go after Ivanka because she is a somewhat pretty blonde woman. Want her in cuffs and orange jumpsuit almost as much as her dad.

Thanks R25, seems brother Flynn deleted his tweet asking for Flynn's pardon, a few minutes later. Doesn't matter. Trump has now been alerted to pardon request.

Shameless!

Treason's Greetings from The Grifters

I worry that R13 might be right.

We see the bad guys win too often & too easily. It’s demoralizing.

Cops, politicians, CEO’s, bankers & other hedge fund douchebags, basically ALL white men, especially rich ones, are never brought to justice.

If dozens of people do not go to prison as the result of Robert Mueller’s investigation, then The United States as we know it is over.

lol r29....as if Trump could play the piano with those tiny hands.

[quote]Media doesn't go after Ivanka because she is a somewhat pretty blonde woman.

And because she is sugar-coated with a thick layer of fake ingenue innocence with the little girl talk to go with it. Very calculated smoke and mirrors all around her.

[quote]Media doesn't go after Ivanka because she is a somewhat pretty blonde woman.

They must be saving her for Harvey Weinstein and his buddies to paw over.

Why can we not get these criminals out of the White House? They are destroying us but hopefully the rest of the world is protecting themselves against this plague!

[quote]They are destroying us

How? By letting us keep more of our own money? By defeating ISIS? By turning down the flow of endless illegal immigration?

Oh, R35, you poor little thing. You believe that?

R36 hasn't been reading the news. ISIS is beaten now that we no longer arm them covertly as we did under Obama and Sec of States Clinton and Kerry.

R37, your ignorance, gullibility, and idiocy are painful to behold.

R38, you are the one who believes the lying Fake News Mainstream Media which is just a front for the Deep State and its shenanigans. I assure you, people who trust and rely on MSNBC and CNN and the NY Times and the Washington Post are a small minority of the population.

Most Americans are well aware that the Mainstream Media is lying propaganda.

Ignore the troll. Off to banned camp with him.

R41 likes it when covert CIA agent Anderson Cooper whispers Deep State lies into his ears.

R35 is a blind idiot. Lord have mercy...they are letting corporations keep more of their money...not me. In a few years our government will be so broke, no social security, no Medicare or medicade., no public education. There will be no money for infrastructure. Trump had no effect on ISIS...don't be a fool. Every good thing in our economy is straight from Obama but that will be ending soon.. Trump got rid of all regulations that control banks and money lenders. Trump got rid of every regulation that protects our environment. WE NEED A CLEAN ENVIROMENT!

God! Every good thing for the PEOPLE that Obama tried to put in place...Trump and Republicans have destroyed...what next? Emigrants are actually the life blood of our country and Trump is cutting it off. Trying to spend trillions of dollars on a ridiculous boarder wall that is a sickening waste of money! He has done so much evil, I could go on all day but to me...his collusion with the Russians to steal our election from an extremely competent candidate...so that, he, the no nothing, racist fool would be elected, that is the worst and he needs to be hanged by the neck until dead, for treason.

[quote]By letting us keep more of our own money?

Putting $200 billion a year on the nation's credit card isn't "letting us keep more of our own money," particularly when, for the majority of us, this bill ends up in a tax hike in a few short years. And when they've already said that they're coming after Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security to go after the deficits that their own policies have caused. It's a classic reverse Robin Hood.

[quote]By defeating ISIS?

ISIS was on the run during the Obama administration. Just look at how much territory they've lost every year for the past decade or so. Trump hasn't done shit to "defeat ISIS."

[quote]By turning down the flow of endless illegal immigration?

Illegal immigration was effectively zero during the Obama years.

Do try to do some research before you post again. Better to be thought a fool than to continue to post here and prove it.

I do declare, the Heritage Foundation posts canned right wing talking points right here on our own lil' DL!

Ha !......Supposedly Trumps legal team is going after Flynn and attacking his credibility, claiming his testimony is meaningless because hes a convicted liar. And his idiot followers will buy into it even though Trump praised Flynn throughout his entire campaign as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Poor Donnie was lied to ! He trusted a criminal !......God these idiots are pathetic.

[quote]President Trump’s legal team plans to cast former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn as a liar seeking to protect himself if he accuses the president or his senior aides of any wrongdoing, according to three people familiar with the strategy.

...

[quote]“He’s said it himself: He’s a liar,” said one person helping craft the strategy who was granted anonymity to describe private conversations.

I really don't see this working. They're going to assume that Mueller isn't going to corroborate everything Flynn claims?

So if Drumpf is attacking Flynn... does that mean they know they can't / won't pardon him?

Four in 10 Americans think the president has done something illegal when it comes to Russia, while

an additional 3 in 10 say he's at least done something unethical.

And 68 percent disapprove of his response to the investigations.

Looks like Mueller is looking into the RNC now, as well.

[quote]In just the last few weeks, his prosecutors have begun questioning Republican National Committee staffers about the party digital operation that worked with the Trump campaign to target voters in key swing states. They are seeking to determine if the joint effort was related to the activities of Russian trolls and bots aimed at influencing the American electorate, according to two of the sources.

Well, now we know why ALL the Repugs have started to lose it on Mueller. He's getting closer to them now, too.

Obstruction, obstruction, obstruction.

Ken Starr, after praising Mueller months ago, is now on the anti-Mueller-anti-FBI bandwagon of bashing by many Republicans.

Starr was fired as President of Baylor a couple of years ago due to the athletics scandal there. Sexual assaults of women by athletes were being covered-up. Starr's credibility is very far from being pristine.

At his core Ken Starr is and always has been nothing more than a partisan hack -- his judicial credentials notwithstanding. He proved that years ago and has done nothing in the intervening decades to dispel that notion. He has always put service to party over service to country.

Republicans are complaining that Mueller’s investigations should be narrowly focused and have become ranging too far afield. Remember Ken Starr was charged with investigating Whitewater, and when a very long, expensive, and exhaustive investigation turned up nothing, the Monica Lewinsky shenanigans fell into his lap.

Let Mueller find whatever lawbreaking Trump and his henchmen are guilty of. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

r55....and it implicates most of them, thats why the retaliation and accusations from the right. There are probably 50-60 members ...or more....of congress (both houses) who are complicit in this mess and have directly taken russian monies for their campaigns.

R55 Without Trump's stupidity, there would be no Mueller investiagtion. The Republicans should suck on that one while they serve their jail sentences.

Yeah, R56, I'm just concerned (yes, go ahead and call me the concern troll).... that they'll all just get away with it.

[quote] Republicans are complaining that Mueller’s investigations should be narrowly focused and are ranging too far afield.

Looking at it from a law enforcement / Justice Department perspective, what exactly would they have Mueller do when, in the course of his investigation, he uncovers illegalities that, while connected to the participants in this conspiracy, do not directly implicate the allegations of Russian interference? Ignore them? Turning them over to someone else at DOJ becomes a logistical nightmare because Mueller may need those witnesses in other parts of the case he is building and can't have some other prosecutor mucking up his case. It is also a bureaucratic tangle because supervision of those cases can't involve Sessions in the chain of command. Better to leave this Mueller, who is an experienced, fair, and even-handed prosecutor. Whatever crimes he discovers need to be prosecuted.

ruh-ro

In late June, the Commercial Bank of Dubai sought—and later received—permission to subpoena Ivanka Trump’s now-defunct fine jewelry line, claiming its diamonds were used in a massive scheme to hide roughly $100 million that was owed to the bank, according to filings at the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

Ivanka Trump launched Ivanka Trump Fine Jewelry roughly a decade ago, partnering with a young real estate and diamond heir named Moshe Lax. It was her first independent business venture. She licensed her name for use by Madison Avenue Diamonds, which did business under Trump’s name in exchange for royalties. Trump also owned an equity stake in the business for an unspecified period. Around the time they were going into business together, Lax introduced Trump to Jared Kushner, the man who would become her husband, at a luncheon for real estate heirs he convened in Midtown Manhattan.

Awaiting the unearthing of the diaries of Miss Lindsey's daliances. Even DL threads on the salacious subject matter would become masterpieces.

R8, Barron, dear, don't you remember that I told you on another thread that Tramp is NOT your daddy? So you don't carry that genetic stinky. And that when you have reached your age of majority, you can get the fuck out of there. Better now?

Ivanka is obviously counting on her maternal sex-pot persona to save herself from any serious investigation, let alone punishment.

Trump will do anything, including using nuclear weapons (N. Korea; Iran) to protect his family and stop Mueller.

The murder of an internationally-known female journalist is also a message to Mueller.

R35/r37, So you think being owned by Russian oligarchs (aka, the Russian mobsters, who murder journalists, models, and politicians; who launder drug money through Trump enterprises; who wage cyber-war on the United States by literally manipulating our voting machines; who propagandize our citizens; who have bribed and blackmailed our Republican Senators and Representatives) is a GOOD thing?

If Flynn ever considered hiding any detail of treasonous collusion by the Trump/Kushner cabal, he's thinking differently today, after being called a liar by Trump lawyers.

Now he's not only a cornered rat; Flynn's a furious cornered rat.

R55, The gargantuan difference's being that there was never any there there in the interminable investigations of the Clintons (Whitewater; Vince Foster).

That Bill was caught up in and impeached over lying about a pathetic fling shows once again the venality of Republicans, as many of the same ones seek actively now to cover up treason and bribery of hitherto unimaginable levels.

R62, not really as I'll still be stuck with that bunch of loonies for such a long time from now ... thinking of not being able to leave this mess being referred to as 'my family' makes me look even sadder than I already use to look.

:-(

Republicans are disgusting...not one moral or ounce of honesty among them. Until this year I tried to believe that there might be some goodness within the republican party...now I know better.

The bloody Whitewater Investigation went on for 7 years. Mueller is just getting started.

[quote] Whitewater Investigation went on for 7 years. Mueller is just getting started.

Yes, and in six months Mueller has two guilty pleas and two (unsealed) indictments with more lined up. It took Ken Starr ages to find a stained blue dress as evidence of a blow-job.

[quote]Remember Ken Starr was charged with investigating Whitewater, and when a very long, expensive, and exhaustive investigation turned up nothing, the Monica Lewinsky shenanigans fell into his lap.

And remember that the Congressional "Benghazi!!!!" investigation eventually turned to "but her emails!!!!!".

Ivanka wants everyone to consider her the ultimate MILF.

Works for me.

[quote]There will be no money for infrastructure

There is no money for infrastructure right now. We spent it all fighting wars for Israel and Saudi Arabia's benefit. Thank your globalist heroes for that.

Yes, because Republicans have nothing at all to do with that....

As for the money, look no further than the wars with Afghanistan and Iraq, with the final bill expected to be somewhere in the range of $2 trillion. That wasn't "globalists," hun.

Can we please get some smarter trolls?

[quote]Yes, because Republicans have nothing at all to do with that....

Don't confuse Bush/McCain Neo-con globalists with Trump isolationists. All the Neo-cons left standing are flocking to Trump because they know 2018 will be a good year for him and his agenda.

LOL... So because 2017 was a terrible year for "Trump and his agenda," you somehow think that 2018 will be a good year?

I want some of what you're smoking.

R78, you live in a Blue Pill world. Trump is doing splendidly as President. No one on Team Trump is the least bit worried about Mueller, except those who have betrayed Trump. 2018 is going to be a very bad year for George Soros and his minions.

Good lord, are you guys still arguing with that troll? Gotta wonder why he's hanging around a gay forum.

[quote]Whitewater Investigation went on for 7 years. Mueller is just getting started.

Attorney General Janet Reno opened the Whitewater investigation, at President Clinton's request, in January 1994.

Monica Lewinsky began her White House internship in July 1995, more than 18 months later.

What do you think Team Trump have are going to lie about SINCE taking office that is illegal?

[quote]you live in a Blue Pill world.

It's called reality, sweetie. You should join us here some day.

[quote]Trump is doing splendidly as President.

Like I said.... Ratings in the toilet, no significant accomplishments other than one highly unpopular tax bill passed at the last minute and that will add $200 billion a year to the deficit and will take from the poor to give to the rich, no trade deals (and the trade imbalance growing), no foreign policy accomplishments, no domestic policy accomplishments, Democrats outperforming in all of the off-cycle elections, including winning the Senate seat in Alabama. All that he can point to is the continuation of the job creation and stock market boom that began under Obama and that, so far, he hasn't managed to fuck up.

[quote]No one on Team Trump is the least bit worried about Mueller, except those who have betrayed Trump.

You mean like all of them?

[quote]2018 is going to be a very bad year for George Soros and his minions.

LOL.... All signs pointing to a wave election for Democrats, with a very real chance that they will take back the House and even signs that the Senate is back in play, something that was previously thought to be out of the question. Congressional Republicans, and Trump, at historically low levels of popularity ... Yeah, it's going to be a bad year for someone.

I repeat: I want some of what you're smoking.

I see Paul is back, crapping up the DL with his endless arguments with trolls who delight in nothing more than shitting up DL with troll posts and gullible idiots who answer trolls.

Who is Paul R83?

Because ignoring the Trumpanzees is clearly [bold]SO FUCKING EFFECTIVE[/bold], R83?

[quote]Ivanka wants everyone to consider her the ultimate MILF.

She's First DILF, though, and the BEST at it.

Well, R85, if you can't see their posts then you can't respond to them. No use trying to argue with them. They will scream "fake news".

R79, Yours must be a parody post. Because if you truly think that the Trumps and Kushners aren't worried; that the Pences aren't worried; that Ryan, McConnell, Nunes, Miller, Giuliani, and others aren't worried; you are a world-class ostrich.

[quote] Well, [R85], if you can't see their posts then you can't respond to them.

The problem is that they post from multiple devices and that they erase their cookies. I block and I block and they're still visible.

[quote] Because ignoring the Trumpanzees is clearly SO FUCKING EFFECTIVE,

A lot more effective than answering them and turning every thread into a back and forth between two people.

Get a room

[quote]A lot more effective than answering them and turning every thread into a back and forth between two people.

i.e., completely useless.

Doesn't take long to hit the ignore button though, which is what I will do, over and over.

Why don't you snap your fingers in a Z formation like a sassy black woman while you're at it, R92. That will show them!

Amen, r92. I do the same. Easy-peasy.

Ivanka isn't worried about any of this. She's living her life completely fearless, under the assumption that men she's fucking, Dear Jared and Daddy will take the heat for her.

She's wrong on both accounts.

R85?

I would also like to ask you to please fuck off!

JUST. FUCK. OFF.

You ruin threads, all the time, with your smarty pants posts where you answer EVERY fucking troll.

Do you EVER think anything you don’t post?!?!

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.....Devin Nunes, who has been attacking the funding of the dossier, received funding for his campaign from the same republican donor who originally funded the dossier.

I agree with R96. I know you think you're clever, Troll-Answerer, but your overly-long replies are tedious, annoying, and they derail the thread. You're not changing the troll's mind, and you're irritating the rest of us.

I come to these threads to keep up with what's going on (I have other sources, but DL does a good job also). I don't come here to watch you get in a pissing contest with trolls.

I really hope that the FBI leads Nunes out of the Capitol in handcuffs. You just know that slimy bastard is up to his eyeballs in Russian money. He has been doing everything he can to derail these investigations -- even when he purportedly "recused" himself from participating.

r99....his winery is funded by russians....seriously.

Ivanka: "Daddy says I'm the best at it."

I don't mind people taking down trolls. Their Kremlin message should be publicly confronted wherever possible. I say correct them, F&F them, and then put them on ignore. I find those who complain about troll-responders much more annoying than the responders themselves, like the person upthread having a screaming conniption fit.

Back on topic: When are the next Mueller indictments expected?

[quote]I don't mind people taking down trolls. Their Kremlin message should be publicly confronted wherever possible. I say correct them, F&F them, and then put them on ignore. I find those who complain about troll-responders much more annoying than the responders themselves, like the person upthread having a screaming conniption fit.

I don't have a problem with people briefly pointing out that a poster is trolling and passing bad info. What I have a problem with is the guy above doing multiple fiskings, which does derail the thread.

[quote]Back on topic: When are the next Mueller indictments expected?

I haven't seen anything since the false alarm about Jared on Twitter a couple of weeks ago. Mueller needs to hurry up.

The troll responders are trolls too. They are trying to derail these threads because they can’t get a reaction from screaming “Hillary’s emails!” any more.

Flynn has spilled the beans on Pence to Mueller. This is a big reason Congressional Republicans have their panties in a wad.

[quote]I would also like to ask you to please fuck off! JUST. FUCK. OFF.

So in your feeble, unmedicated attempts to control discourse, yelling at people who respond to trolls, you're....responding to trolls.

Ironic, no?

Anyone not willing to discuss Trump, his nasty deeds and his eventual downfall can JUST. FUCK. OFF.

Back on topic now, please.

Lawrence O'Donnell says he's coming back from vacation to be on MSNBC tonight with "good news". Any guesses what that might be?

I'm thinking Jared Kushner or John Kelly leaving.

[quote]I haven't seen anything since the false alarm about Jared on Twitter a couple of weeks ago. Mueller needs to hurry up.

To be fair, it's the holiday season and most government employees are on vacation. Probably Mueller too.

R108, how long was his vacation supposed to last? I think Rachel’s was supposed to go to the middle of next week.

Last night they discussed Lawrence’s charity to buy school desks for children in Africa and its great success. Lawrence was absent but called in to discuss it. He mentioned in passing that he hadn’t been able to publicize the charity as much this year as in past years, but it still did very well. I don’t watch Lawrence all the time, so any idea why he couldn’t? Was he ill, or was it the network? Maybe he’s coming back to discuss the charity.

R105, perhaps that’s why Flake is leaving....and whats-his-name....Chaffetz?

R109, perhaps Mueller is busy preparing a cosy prison cell for Grump.

You know, Mueller is a pretty nice guy.

r105.....The RNC has their panties in a bunch because Mueller started interviewing RNC staffers a few weeks ago.....around the time the looney tunes became vocal in congress.

R113 They weren't even being careful about their corruption because they thought having Trump in the WH would provide ample cover for them... They never thought Mueller come along and actually be serious about the investigation.

R114, that was pretty stupid when you think about Donnie jr bragging about the amount of Russian money flowing into Trump enterprises and Trump himself asking Russia to find Hillary's missing emails.

I dont know no Rushins....never talked to a rushins, never did business with a rushin, I never even met a rushin. Its all a hoax and a witch hunt ! HILLARY DID IT........OBAMA HELPED.

R110, you're probably right that it's about LOD's charity work.

And here I was all excited about indictments and arrests and such.

r116 - Don't forget: You never did it and if you did it wasn't even illegal anyway.

R114 I somewhat disagree. It's not that they weren't being careful because of Donald being in the White House. Their corruption started long before Trump even started his latest campaign. They never considered Trump would BE in the White House, therefore no investigation would ever be launched. Many were banking - literally - that he would lose and they'd get away with everything. Best laid plans.....

R119 From the info coming out, the most corrupt GOP were already in bed with the Russians for years, so they were banking on Trump winning, since they know they were going to go all out on the cheating. If somehow Trump lost, they would have started shredding all evidence before Hillary look office.

R120, R119 here. I discussed this before on a previous thread, (I think about Manafort). If Hillary had won, we would have most likely had an investigation, but not the Special Counsel. We'll never know for sure, but I think the corrupt GOP'ers thought they had safety valves in place. Someone in response to my post agreed and referenced the plot of The Producers as an analogy. It was safe for the Repugs to accept bribes and do what was requested because they genuinely thought the plan would fail and they wouldn't have to worry, and therefore, have profited with no price to pay.

it's just a theory, and like wrote, we can never know for sure.

But we will r121.....we will.

R121 If they were hoping Trump would fail, why weren't they more panicky when he won? Instead, they acted like they owned the whole federal government from then on and did not bother covering anything up. Even after Mueller was appointed, they still acted like the situation was only control. Only when the first indictment came and news that people were cooperating with Mueller broke did they start with the damage control.

Because they didnt think the investigation would go past Trump and his minions.....

I think they can only go back 5 years on money laundering. I'm sure there's still plenty there but that means he gets away with a lot. Might even help Ivanka some.

They are going to get him on obstruction of Justice. Then claim abuse of power. Very similar to how they got Nixon.

[quote] R111: [R105], perhaps that’s why Flake is leaving....and whats-his-name....Chaffetz

When Jacob Chaffetz abruptly resigned mid term, thought he either had cancer and wanted to spend time with his. Family; or he quit because he was compromised by the Russians and he chose to quit abruptly, rather than to allow himself to be manipulated further by the Russians. By doing so abruptly, the Russians couldn’t stop him.

Are we having a meet-up at Medieval Times?

^^^ Oops, wrong thread.

Here's Bobby!

I hope Nunes cries when he is taken away in cuffs. And I want a huge snot bubble to pop on camera.

shit, that Shelley Duvall hair is an improvement.

as far as the IRS is concerned, there is no statute of limitations on fraud.

Period.

If his cabal gets caught money laundering, you can bet they'll didn't pay taxes on that shit and FinCEN will be knocking.

The IRS doesn't care how you make your money but, by God, you'd better pay the tax on it.

Y'all have it backwards. The Piss Dossier is a hoax, paid for by the Clintons and introduced by McCain. Those are the people who colluded with Russians to steal the election. Hillary and McCain are under house arrest. Those leg braces conceal GPS tracking bracelets.

Mueller colluded with Comey. Mueller ought to have recused himself long ago. He will flip to save his hide. Wait and see.

[quote] Hillary and McCain are under house arrest. Those leg braces conceal GPS tracking bracelets.

Wouldn't it be amazing if R134 turned out to be right?

R136 If by amazing, you mean deplorable.

^^ of course!

If by amazing you mean pasting crazy right-wing spam into political threads and pretending that the lies are even possible and not a form of Kremlin propaganda, then I guess we have very different uses of the word.

R113/R120 etc. you’re both right.

As was mentioned earlier, the hysteria among looney toons in the House majority began when they realized Mueller’s investigators may have gotten their hands on the transition teams’ Crown Jewels. The documents likely implicate House Republicans (and Transition Team Leader Pence).

The dirty memos were supposed to have been locked up.

(AND there wouldn’t have been two Russia-focused Special Counsels to go looking for them, had anyone other than Trump been elected.)

Trump’s transition team lawyers started sputtering (to Congress not the courts) about Mueller having obtained government documents that the lawyers claimed were “susceptible to (a non-existent) privilege” as soon as they learned what he had.

Well, remember the whole drama about Mueller getting fired right before Christmas? The media as only itself to blame for the reporting of unsubstantiated rumors and fake news.

At some point people will wake up and ask themselves: "Do I really need to consume this media BS that is only there to make me mad and others rich?".

The media is reporting what members of Congress are saying. By reporting what some politicians learn other politicians are planning, it tends to put a spotlight on planned underhanded actions and makes it harder for the bad guys to pull them off.

Sort of like when the media reports government warnings of suspected terror attracts.

There are multiple people on BOTH the congressional and Senate intelligence committees that were also on the Trump transition team....Nunes, Gowdy, Burr, etc......thats why both committees have been nothing but a clusterfuck.

Huma Abedin is also wearing a GPS tracker on her ankle. Unless you really think she is trying to bring back bellbottoms.

The classified docs on Weiner's laptop will put her in prison.

It's like the trolls don't even try any more.

R145, the shit is gonna hit the fan when the full story emerges about Obama officials using the hoax Steele dossier (that they KNEW was a hoax) to justify spying on Trump before and after the election.

R146 please see R135. thanks.

I take it back... they DO try they're just really bad at it. These must be the D-List trolls.

R142 has it exactly right.

We can’t know what is going on behind the scenes. But I think we can all agree that Trump would fire anyone if it would mean he could safely close the Meuller investigation. The only reason he doesn’t, is that his advisors are manipulating him. They either are telling him that said firing would make things worse, or that the investigation has found nothing and is ending soon, or more, or all of that.

All the hubbub by the media at Xmas may very well have prevented Trump from acting. His advisors would have seen that moveon had pre-organized rallies in 125 cities (or however many) and that it would be a political disaster. That the Saturday night massacre led directly to Nixon’s impeachment.

R141 shows a lack of intellectual rigor.

[quote][R141] shows a lack of intellectual rigor.

Bite me.

[quote] R141: Bite me.

I already did, in R149.

Haha r151/r149

R 150 is blocked for me! 🤣

Believe the pee pee girls were real. Putty's thugs had them nullified, as they did with some journalists, opposition candidates, other critics, etc.

R149, it seems really obvious that Trump’s lawyers, who are knowingly lying to him and telling him Mueller is going to clear him, are doing it to keep him calm and keep him from firing Mueller. But what’s the end game? Eventually the truth will out. What then?

Is it that they are greedy lawyers and just want the money from dragging it out, but they know it’s all going to blow up in their faces?

Is Mitch McConnell telling them to keep Trump quiet and stall while they pillage the Treasury? Can he even do that? You have to be an incredibly unethical lawyer to take orders from somebody that’s not your client, possibly even against the client’s best interest, but these are incredibly unethical lawyers. I guess later they could say, “We were as surprised as anyone when Trump went to prison, and we did the best we could.” By then Trump will be too senile to know which end is up.

Do they think they are saving the Republic from a madman and this is their public service, while waiting for Mueller to get Trump out? That sounds rather Democratic, but some Republicans acknowledge Trumo is crazy, so maybe.

Do they think they’re keeping Trump in longer by keeping him quiet, so he can wreck havoc longer, by stopping him from firing Mueller? That insinuates they think the minute Mueller is gone, so is Trump. And I don’t think that is necessarily true.

Any ideas?

[quote]the shit is gonna hit the fan when the full story emerges about Obama officials using the hoax Steele dossier (that they KNEW was a hoax) to justify spying on Trump before and after the election.

Today's New York Times:

During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The information that Mr. Papadopoulos gave to the Australians answers one of the lingering mysteries of the past year: What so alarmed American officials to provoke the F.B.I. to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign months before the presidential election?

It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.

Great story R155. Thanks for posting.

Wasn't there some weird aggro between Trump and the Australian prime minister earlier this year? I remember that it seemed very odd.

He didn’t just steal the election from Clinton but also Rubio, Kasich, et.al.

I have to think the FBI didn't discuss that at their meetings because someone knew/knows the NY office was feeding info to ghouliani at the time and didn't want them to alert dump.

And yet the Rethugs keep screaming "nothing to see here! "

(thank you, Australia and our other allies. I have faith in you. )

I wonder why this came out today in terms of timing? Have the Deplorables amped something up?

Earlier obnoxious comments from Trump to Australia:

I have always wondered about Rudy Giuliani and how he got this information.

Shhhh, r155. You’re confusing the trolls.

We clearly don’t get the good trolls here. I mean, it’s just DL. The really clever ones toil away on Facebook and a Twitter while these clowns transcribe Fox News, adding the occasional "honey" or "gurl" so that they might blend in.

For the Seth Abramson Hater Troll:

R158 That is an often overlooked point. The Putty operatives, using social media, hit hard early at Jeb, Rubio. then Kascich, and Ted Cruz late (who may have gotten some pac contributions that were going from an oligarch to a number of Republican Congressmen and Senators pacs. Read somewhere, Kascich got some as well. The Dozier was originally connected to Jeb's campaign, and perhaps Cruz later.

I believe the GOP is telling them (Jeb, Rubio, etc.) that they took one for the team and with Trump they could push their agenda through and that that none of them will be the fall guy, Trump will.

So wouldn't Michael Flynn have seen that intelligence - once he was installed as head of National Security? Could the FBI keep that quiet? I guess they did.

Trump. All smoke & mirrors.

He told us the election was rigged....and that his supporters would stand by him even if he shot someone in Times Square.

This was a fake election.

The best way to get away with crime, such as money laundering and who knows what else, is to become potus.

r167.....At that time Flynn was already under FBI scrutiny, so yes, they would keep it from him.

The FBI has internal turmoil with different groups trying to do their own thing and doing their best not to let the other groups know what they do and what they know. I would assume that at least one of the groups wouldn't let any Trump lackey near their findings. And as it is in general, knowledge is power.

Short run result! This should at the very least spoil Trump's New Years. Or is he really too dumb/deluded to finally realize now they had him by the balls back in May 2016?

So he may already know they have it. Part of why he wants to fire Mueller and McCabe so much? But that doesn't make it all go away.

Perfect post r155.

[quote]I wonder why this came out today in terms of timing?

I think things are really going to start rolling now. Mueller is adroit about what info gets out and when, and this info basically pulls the rug out from under the GOP's and Trump's feet - no longer can they run the whole dossier excuse up the flag pole. With this info the Investigation is basically saying this is not a witch-hunt, this is a criminal investigation, we've just dismissed your twisted version of the dossier starting this all off.

[quote]He didn’t just steal the election from Clinton but also Rubio, Kasich, et.al.

Don't be ridiculous. Every one of those cucks was running for financial gain. They all intended to be the Republican fall guy for Hillary. The only reason TPTB allowed Trump to take the nomination was that they firmly believed he would lose the election.

Hillary lost because she ran a tone-deaf campaign based on the flawed premise that victory was assured. Her minions in the media were all prepared to announce that we were entering a new era where only women and minorities were needed to win national elections. Oops.

So what is the dirt they have on Hillz?

R174 "Hillary lost because she ran a tone-deaf campaign based on the flawed premise that victory was assured"

I've been posting this since November 2016, and although I'm in a minority, I know I'm not the only person on DL who believes this. I think some day, maybe next week, next month... maybe not for 30 years! - but it'll be revealed that on top of everything else. Putin found a way to hack the voting tallies and Hilary actually won the Electoral College as well. There's some previous thread highlighting the specific details of how it might have been done - but it is technologically possible - and I think they did it. And at some point it will be revealed - because Putin WANTS us to know. Otherwise, what would be the point?

And to add - it's known to the FBI and CIA that the GOP emails were hacked as well as the Dems. Why weren't they released? Because they were far more lurid and full of criminal doings than the Hillary's or any other Dems, and it's that information that's now being used to blackmail the Republicans.

R125, I assume you're writing about the statute of limitations. When the offense is a continuing crime or if there are acts of concealment, the statute of limitations is extended. The statute would start running the date of the last act of concealment or when the crime was finalized. Once a successful money laundering scheme was created, it would tend to run until it was no longer convenient or profitable. So, assuming money laundering is involved (I'd bet the rent on it), Mueller will probably be able to go back farther than five years.

R176, you poor thing, you.

I'm so tired of people asking, "why is Mueller taking so long?"

Because, Trump and his crooked associates have committed more crimes than there are stars in the sky. And they continue to commit them so the number is beyond infinity.

Totally agree, r173.

[quote]"Hillary lost because she ran a tone-deaf campaign based on the flawed premise that victory was assured"

Clinton was mocked for being overly prepared; for learning everything that there is to know about every topic that could come up during an interview, a debate, while meeting regular people... She knew the numbers and the statistics, the names behind the numbers...

You are right - what an insolent way to treat potential voters! So glad we dodged the bullet and didn't pick the lazy candidate.

Nicely put R181.

[quote]Huma Abedin is also wearing a GPS tracker on her ankle. Unless you really think she is trying to bring back bellbottoms. The classified docs on Weiner's laptop will put her in prison.

[quote]Hillary lost because she ran a tone-deaf campaign based on the flawed premise that victory was assured

Clinton lost because some of you live in an alternative universe.

^ That should be ALTERNATE universe.

I live in an ALTERNATIVE universe. Thank you.

^^^ Is that where the alternative facts come from?

[quote]Former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Juliette Kayyem said that revelations in the New York Times about George Papadopoulos — former foreign policy adviser to President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign — show that [bold]the Trump team was aware of Russian attacks on the DNC and Hillary Clinton but chose not to report that information to the FBI.[/bold]

[quote]“The Trump team clearly knew it at this stage and they did nothing,” Kayyem told anchor Ana Cabrera and former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti on Saturday.

[quote]Kayyem said it’s important to bear in mind how far we’ve come from the Trump team’s original “explanations and defenses by the Trump team that there was no contact with the Russians.”

[quote]The New York Times story, she said, does two things. It puts the controversial Steele dossier to one side and demonstrates that the FBI had other motives in investigating the Trump campaign. It also shows that Papadopoulos had access to key members of the Trump team.

[quote]“They knew it and they did not disclose it to the FBI,” said Kayyem. “The Trump team clearly knew it at this stage and did nothing.”

2018 will be an interesting year.

The breathless anti-Hillary mouth-breather at R174 is a troll; I already had it on ignore.

I too believe the vote totals were explicitly hacked, pointedly in Florida where 1) Clinton had enough postal votes going into the election, 2) along with the Trump-necessary states of Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan, it is the only time exit polls got a general have ever been wrong, 3) Clinton was so far ahead on the night that it was actually called for her by CNN, 4) the vote clusters anomalies mimic the spread in hacked elections such as the Ukraine presidential election and 5) there was an electronic "burst", after which The Donald was suddenly ahead.

Please post the Seth Abramsom tweets verbatim (ideally all in one post). Most of us are not haters and not all of us have Twitter.

One can hope all this comes to a climax around mid term election, and the GOP is ousted from control of Congress, then it's impeachment time with Mueller investigation providing the smoking gun. Before that, Mueller can really only keep chipping away at the enablers around Trump on the chance Trump further incriminates himself. Indicting Trump himself would be require too much effort and would invite savage partisan attacks from the GOP as they would be riled up to protect their "king" in this chess game.

[quote]Most of us are not haters and not all of us have Twitter.

You don't have to "have twitter" to be able to see his tweets. You just need an internet connection and to google "Seth Abramson twitter", the first result takes you to his twitter page.

A jailed Russian who says he hacked into the Democratic National Committee computers on the Kremlin’s orders to steal emails released during the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign now claims he left behind a data signature to prove his assertion.

In an interview with Russia’s RAIN television channel made public Wednesday, Konstantin Kozlovsky provided further details about what he said was a hacking operation led by the Russian intelligence agency known by its initials FSB. Among them, Kozlovsky said he worked with the FSB to develop computer viruses that were first tested on large, unsuspecting Russian companies, such as the oil giant Rosneft, later turning them loose on multinational corporations.

Me thinks R176 speculates the Truth.

Classified documents turned up on the laptop of a convicted pedophile with no security clearance and James Comey says no laws were broken.

What a crock!

Well if that's true R176, then even after Mueller is finished, somewhere down the track, Putin could unleash an avalanche of ruinous information. We could be in this hellish state of betrayal for years to come.

I have to wonder if Papadumbass has been under FBI surveillance since the Aussie reported his claims.

That would certainly explain why he flipped so quickly and how Mueller has been able to get such good info on Flynn, kushner and Jr so fast.

It's almost like they knew exact what to look for, who and where.

Just a thought. That seems to be the logical thing to do with such an allegation.

Hillary herself said she and her cronies were all going to prison if they lost the election.

I guess the ankle monitors are just the first sign of that.

Oh, give it a rest and get a life.

R198, what are the odds that Hillary, Huma, and Chelsea are all hiding their ankles from view for no real reason?

A lot higher than the odds that they are wearing tracking bracelets when there have been no indictments and they have committed no crimes. I repeat: give it a rest and get a life.

As for Huma, the only thing you have is that she's wearing pants. Omigod!!!! Lock her up!!!!

I'm real curious as to what the Trump/Aussie PM call was about too. Why was it contentious?

2018 is going to be crazy! You know the GOP/Trump/Putin are planning to steal the elections in 2018 like they did in 2016 (because they can't win fair and square). Esp. since nobody is doing anything to stop it. BTW: WTF happened to the Russian sanctions Trump was supposed to enforce? (silence)

Excellent point, R203. Why is the media so mum on what passed both houses of Congress and waiting for either signature or veto from tRump. Hmmm, a veto would look really bad and I never heard he signed it either. Ignore and disappear? Get Maddow on that stat.

R202, we don't need to go into conspiracy theory zones for info on why the call was contention. That was well known at the time: Trump was angry about a deal that Obama had made with Australia to resettle refugees from Australia's offshore detention centers.

There was no way at that time Trump could have known about the Australians helping. But the Australian PM knew, which is why it wasn't worth his effort paying any heed or attention to Trump.

The Kellyanne's Pussy thread is soothing and inspirational. Be careful though, it has mystical powers and must be wisely respected.

Putty-DT trollies, check it out. I won't link it. The search for it is half the fun.

r204....He did, indeed, sign them....in protest. You are correct...they are yet to be implemented.....and yes, it is occasionally brought up by both media and democrats to no avail.

R204, Trump signed it in a downplaying and resentful way. The State Department and other agencies of the DJT administration are dragging their feet on implementation, claiming it takes time. In other words, they are ignoring the law.

That should be the focus for now. Dems should be pouncing in the sanctions every day.

What State Department? He fired every last person, people who had been there for four administrations. Unprecedented.

Now we know why.

Devin Nunes at it again. This time with pee pee dossier.

[quote]Trump signed it in a downplaying and resentful way.

I think the sanctions were passed with veto-busting majority so he had no choice but sign.

FWIW, I also think that Hillary lost because the media had assured us, based on polling data from numerous orgs, that she would win. Hillary supporters stayed home. Thinking that she would win.

In addition, she had pneumonia. When I had pneumonia at age 47, I was hospitalized for 5 days before leaving AMA. Then, I found I was too week to work, at a desk, for another 30 days. So, I respect her for taking the one full day off to recover! Nonetheless, it no doubt cut into her appearances.

Are these trolls serious with this ankle bullshit? Where do they even get this stuff? Whyforth dost thou women haveth their ankles covereth? Because it's the middle of fucking winter! Really, though, where do they get this shit? Is there a room of toddler somewhere being forced to imagine scenarios for these idiots?

pretty much r215.....pretty much

Here’s a riddle or you sleuths. We already know that Trump projects, whenever someone tries to pin something on him, he accuses the other party of his own transgressions. After the Access Holiday tapes, he arrives at a debate with Bill Clinton accusers, for example. Like calling Jeb “low energy”, which fits him, too. If you recall, after the 3-hour debate at the Reagan Presidential Library, He lost it. It was too hot, and he stood for two long. He “negotiated “to get shorter debates thereafter. Many other examples.

Given that, he was on record for spreading rumors that Hillary wasn’t physically up to the task. I forget the specific health-related accusation he used, but it tells me that he knew she was sick. This was before Hillary collapsed and we all learned she had pneumonia. So, what did he know about Hilary’s health, and how and from whom did he learn it? And what meds is hopped-up on?

The other day I saw the movie I, Tonya, and all the time kept thinking, this is a movie about future Trump voters. Especially the co-conspirator who went bragging to everyone who'd listen that he kneecapped Nancy Kerrigan. Dumb as shit white trash.

Will someone who doesn't hate women create the next thread once this one is full?

I cannot be part of any thread created by a mega misogynist like OP.

Then do it yourself, cunt.

I will not have anything to do with you, OP. Trust me, you are too repulsive even as an anonymous. Thankfully, there are normal, intelligent people here.

But I thought you just said you weren't going to have anything to do with this thread, cunt. Make up you rmind.

R219 has stated her boundaries!!!!

I wish someone would hack Putin's votes in March so that he loses.

Call Trump: Trump. Or Cheetos if desired. If you want this thread to have mature informative replies, perhaps not use an ancestral name such as Drumpf in the script. Otherwise play the childish name calling games with the Ruskie and alt-right trolls.

Mueller better hurry his ass up.

R226: It is starting already....2018 is going to be insane. I can just feel it...

“Will someone who doesn't hate women create the next thread once this one is full? I cannot be part of any thread created by a mega misogynist like OP.”

May I know what is misogynistic about this thread? Did I miss something in the title? TIA

From what I can follow R228, the person taking offense didn't like that OP used the word, "cunt," in the thread.

There was no crime in White Water...no matter how the fuckers tried to make it a crime, there was no crime. No crime with Benghazi, no crime with Emails, BUT THIS IS A BIG FUCKING CRIME A HUGE CRIME WITH MANY PLAYERS. THIS IS THE STORY OF THE CENTURY!!

OK. So the Guardian is reporting that a huge network of international Intel analysts working for the governments of Great Britain and a bunch of other countries were sharing intel and alerting the USA to the close relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian Intel people since back in 2015. The was known by all the foreign governments who are our allies that Russia was trying to get next to Trump and had succeeded. They were sharing that intel with one another and with us. They were amazed at how slowly we moved on it. No one ever believed Trump would win the Presidency. Everyone, including the FBI who was investigating her e-mails, believed Hillary would be our POTUS.

R231- That's why I think "Five Eyes" should just release everything they have. FVEY=US, Canada, Australia, UK, New Zealand. US FVEY allies probably have even more info than Mueller has, so why not just do a huge intel dump?

So why didn't they stop Trump from taking the presidency last January if they had all this info? I don't care how it would have looked, they should have stopped him from being sworn in. Now America is in a world of shit and it is taking so long to get his ass out (and Pence, Ryan, etc are all a big problem).

R233 Hell, if the GOP weren't already severely compromised by Russia, Trump would have been seriously vetted and stopped in the nomination process. The conspiracy is deeply rooted in the GOP, and Trump is just the tip of the iceberg.

R233, R234 Totally agree! But we can't be the only three who know and have believed this since day one! Obama must have known, and Adam Schiff, and so many others. It's mind-boggling.

I’m still tryin to figure out how they flipped Sen. Graham. He did a complete 180.

R236: I beilieve some GOP members are being threatened/blackmailed...

^^ Money or they discovered the underaged boys he's been soliciting

R236 Agree. It's Twilight Zone scary.

I also think John McCain knows a lot more than he's let on. Most likely, he'll be gone by this time next year. I just hope he goes out having done something heroic.

I can't even imagine what would happened if the Obama administration had tried to stop Cheetolini from taking office with the Repug congress in place. Congress is the only body that could have done anything without a full-blown Constitutional crisis taking place because they represent the American public (supposedly). Remember, Obama did approach McConnell and Ryan and the rest of the Congressional leadership about the Russian issues before the election was over and McConnell told him to fuck off and that if he did anything he'd raise hell about partisanship and try to take down the Dems with it.

There was nothing Obama could do without Congressional support. The fact that it is on record that McConnell wouldn't do his duty as a sworn Senator and threatened Obama seems like more clear obstruction of justice. I hope this is the end of the Repug party.

R233, you know, when and IF we get through all this that will be the larger question. The fact that so many people were absolutely convinced HRC would win, and literally stunned when Trump "won" by 78,000 votes convinces me that he stole the election with Russian hacking assistance. That the Russians, in collusion with the damned Cambridge Analytica folks and others literally went into the voter rolls and actually altered outcomes. I believe no one was prepared for that. Individual states denied it could happen.

Obama is a calm controlled man, but he couldn't hide his disgust in the few meetings he had with Trump. And even worse, Obama's people proceeded with the transition briefings under the assumption that both sides "cared" about the United States and would not act against our interests as a country, because both sides supported the basic rule of law & the Constitution, even though they might have philosophical differences.

This is a typical Democratic reaction. The Dems always play by the rules and make assumptions that the GOP will "eventually do the right thing." And the GOP NEVER does the right thing. They manipulate the rules, ignore the rules, break the rules and don't give a fuck. Look at what we've had to contend with. White Supremacists, corruption in Congress, cabinet officials who's single mission is to destroy the agencies they're responsible for, conflicts of interest blatantly in your face, and policy decisions deliberately designed to weaken us.

We've been coasting on Obama policies so we haven't yet felt the full impact of what's going on, but by 2020 we will have. And think about it. Now that they have got away with it, WTF makes people believe we will have free fair elections in 2018 and get rid of this lice that's infected our government? Does anyone expect them to go quietly or play by the rules this time?

Oh, wait. They will "revise " the rules and change the laws and play by their own set of rules. The free press is all we have right now, that and our own outrage. We need to show up in vast numbers and strike fear in the hearts of the craven, gutless bastards who run things at the state level. We have to do what we can, but it will definitely not be easy.

R241, see R176

R233 they didn't have all the info we have now. It wouldn't be enough to say that foreign governments intel agencies are giving us information without probably giving up too much about who and how that information is gathered. They saw evidence of Russians getting too close to the Trump campaign. They even warned people in the Trump circles, (!!!) of Russian interference, they started to build a case and they had to independently corroborate everything they were getting from our allies. The American public and out system of laws would not permit us to simply go public and react, to actually suspend an election outcome and violate our own laws simply based on what other countries were finding.

I think the vote was hacked simply due to what I saw happen in Florida. She was ahead early which means she was winning the smaller, more rural areas where the totals come in earlier. Then, as the bigger Democratic cities started to come in all of a sudden Trump started gaining votes. That's just not how the counts ever work. With her early lead, and the counting of the Democratic urban areas coming in later, her lead should have grown. Completely hacked.

Also the fact that the exit polls were right everywhere EXCEPT the states that Trump inexplicably "won".

R236, if I had to guess about Sen. Lindsay’s 180 degree turn , I’d say Trump suspects, that in an effort to save his skin, he’s eventually going to have to throw some heavy meat under the bus: including Pence.

If so, I suspect he’s quietly promised Miss Lindsay the Vice Presidency.

Wow. I had not thought of that, R246. I was attributing Miss Lindsey's recent behavior to the fact that some big donor had a sit down with her, or that she was told she could lose a lot of support in her home state by acting too damned independent. Or blackmail.. But maybe it's Pence who was told to "promise Miss Lindsey the vice presidency so she has to appear to be a team player. Huh.

Koch Bros adore Mi$$ Lindsey.

Miss Lindsey as Sec. of State when Tillerson soon goes.

Trump won, because the PTB thrive on chaos and make the greatest profits and advantages from it. All this "they (Intel Agencies) were surprised that he won have their own "They knew (he would win)" campaign coming for them. They knew people schemed to let Trump win and they let it slide because of who was behind / backing those schemers.

We all are just pawns in a great big sandbox letting others push us around where they want us to be through media manipulation, giving us shitty-options-only to choose from, condition us to believe we are worthless and need authority figures to tell us what to believe, think, eat, watch, and do.

OMG!!!!!! I interrupt this proceeding to announce that Boris (be still my heart) Sanchez is anchoring on CNN RIGHT NOW and he's tallking to people about the Russia investigation. And a Happy New Year to you!

I think the Secretary of State job was promised to Bob Corker but after his criticisms of Trump it may have been rescinded. You'll recall Corker changed his vote on the Tax bill for McConnell not Trump, and McConnell had to sweeten it So yeah, maybe Lindsey Graham is in the wings for SoS.

^You made some good points, r250. I observed CNN today talking about Trump leading Republicans to 2018 victories and his 2020 strategies for re-election. This talk doesn't jive with the scandals and foreign intrusion that led to the FBI inquiries and later the Mueller investigation.

The corporate media adores Trump for the ratings. The dismay they display about Trump's tweets, antics, and divisive policies are all part of the game.

The multi-millionnaires and billionaires have been embellished as the bandits they are. The Kochs, Adelson, Mercers, etc., bought themselves all this and intend to maintain it. The Russian connection is a convenient cover for their own greedy, underhanded, and power-hungry behaviors.

R246 "If so, I suspect he’s quietly promised Miss Lindsay the Vice Presidency."

If you're right, then Miss Lindsay is a bigger fool than anybody thought. He's sacrificing his integrity and commitment to his country based on a Trump promise?? Was his promise to Miss LIndsay followed by the words "stay tuned"?

Yep, a promise by a con man is essentially worthless.

Lindsay's an opportunist who can change his opinions on a dime, so who knows. Either he's been informed there's intel against him and he needs to shut it or it will come out, or he's been offered a bribe like what you mention r254. You're right though, I can't imagine anyone who's been in office as long as he has trusting an offer like that, especially from Trump, or hell any of the Republican leadership. They made the congresswoman from Maine look like a fool in less than 48 hours.

I find it hard to believe that GOPers would fall for a con man's lies, because they are all con men themselves (vote for me and I will do what you, the American voters, want! I promise! I swear on this Bible! I'm all about fiscal responsibility and good ol traditional family values!).

I rather believe that they found him useful and overestimated themselves and Trump with how smart they are covering their own tracks.

Look at the bright side, if Miss Lindsey became VP, DL would have a field day.

r257 you'd be surprised how con men fall for each other's tricks. I think it's a combination of narcissism, an overly-high opinion of themselves, and the "oh, this guy's just like me, I get him" attitude. I've worked for people in the past who would routinely do business with people LIKE themselves because they don't think of themselves as con-men, just "savvy salesmen" in a world of rubes.

If Pence could be lured away from 'Mother' a bit, I'd succumb him with my seductive Clerking and Twerking.

Keeping it straight.....

R260 = Kim in KY?

[quote]you'd be surprised how con men fall for each other's tricks. I think it's a combination of narcissism, an overly-high opinion of themselves, and the "oh, this guy's just like me, I get him" attitude.

No. Con men overestimate themselves and think they are so smart they can screw over other con men and establish an alpha male hierarchy packing order in the process.

[quote] I just hope he goes out having done something heroic.

Don't count on it. He's proven himself a weasel too.

R251 reminding us of our priorities. This is Datalounge after all.

Oh gee I’m still hoping miss Lindsey gets exposed for his like of brown skinned rough trade

On the topic of votes actually being hacked. This was posted in one of the other threads:

[quote]Yes. There's already proof. I work in the industry. I sat in a meeting with the head of cyber security investigations for the FBI in Florida. Their systems were hacked in 2016. What's difficult is proving that (or more accurately stated "how") the votes were manipulated. But go back to election night and remember how Trump pulled ahead in Florida, NC, MI, PA and WI. It happened almost like clock work once the precincts reporting crossed the 50% threshold. This shit is deep. Putin had already done this in his own election and also in Ukraine. We should be very worried about the EU elections coming up.

r266....and dont forget about Reality Winner.....she was arrested for leaking NSA documents that stated the election voting machines were indeed hacked. Hasnt anybody questioned how she, of all the leakers, was the one arrested and was/is being held without bail ?

R266 - which is why I love that Massachusetts has paper ballots.

Interesting read.....a timeline

Washington State also has ballot tracking. Something every state should implement.

R134 is dutifully passing on the latest horseshit from the Pizzagate psychos.

No evidence found? Doesn't matter - Hillary traffics children! Hillary eats babies! Super-secret illuminati child porn cabal!

It'd be funny if some of these dipshits weren't heavily armed.

You know, this New York TImes piece about Papadopoulis getting drunk and telling some Australian that Trump people were getting dirt on Hillary from Russia is misleading, IMO. I recall reading, very recently, in The Guardian, and other places that foreign Intelligence agencies had information about Russia attempting to get close to the Trump campaign and Russia's intent to influence our Presidential election back in 2015. I'm not denying Papdopoulis had the conversation, I questioning the fact that the Times is reporting that this is what started everything as far as our FBI investigating the Russia connections. It didn't. Russia, and this has been documented, was cultivating Trump and setting us up for at least five years before 2016. They even fucked with the primaries so Trump would emerge. We really need to start raising hell on social media about the New York TImes? WTF happened to them that was worth shitting on their history and reputation?

R269 - thank you for that link.

2015

June 16:

Donald Trump announces his candidacy for president.[21]

July onward:

A wide range of fake Twitter accounts run by the Kremlin's Internet Research Agency begin to communicate praise for Trump over his political opponents by a wide and increasing margin up to election day, according to a later analysis by The Wall Street Journal.[22]

July 24:

Rob Goldstone emails Donald Trump's assistant Rhona Graff, suggesting that Emin Agalarov could arrange a meeting between Trump and Vladimir Putin, according to December 2017 reporting by The Washington Post.[23]

Summer:

Hackers linked to the Russian FSB gain access to the DNC computer network.[24]

September:

An FBI special agent contacts the Democratic National Committee to report that at least one DNC computer system has been hacked by an espionage team linked to the Russian government. The agent is transferred to a tech-support contractor at the help desk, who makes a cursory check of DNC server logs and does not reply to follow-up calls from the FBI agent, allegedly because of a belief that the call might have been a prank.[25]

Jill Stein speaks briefly with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at a Russia Today gala in New York City.[26]

September 21:

On Hugh Hewitt’s radio program, Trump says, “The oligarchs are under [Putin’s] control, to a large extent. I mean, he can destroy them, and he has destroyed some of them… Two years ago, I was in Moscow . . . I was with the top-level people, both oligarchs and generals, and top-of-the-government people. I can’t go further than that, but I will tell you that I met the top people, and the relationship was extraordinary.”[27]

October 28: Donald Trump signs a 'letter of intent' to construct a Trump-branded building in Moscow; a fact made public in August 2017.[28][29] November: Trump associate Felix Sater emails Trump lawyer Michael Cohen: "Michael, I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putin's private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin [...] Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin's team to buy in on this".[30]

Sater also tells Cohen that the Kremlin's Vneshtorgbank (VTB Bank) is ready to finance a Trump Tower project in Moscow.[31]

"Michael, I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putin's private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin [...] Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin's team to buy in on this".[30]

December 10:

Retired Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn gives a paid speech on world affairs in Moscow, at a gala dinner organized by RT News. Flynn had appeared on RT as an analyst after he retired from the Army. The dinner is also attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is the guest of honor.[32]

Flynn is seated directly next to Putin; also seated at the head table are Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and members of Putin's inner circle, including Sergei Ivanov, Dmitry Peskov, and Alexey Gromov.[33]

For his December speech, Flynn nets $33,500 of the $45,000 paid to his speakers’ bureau.[34]

For all of 2015, Flynn receives more than $65,000 from companies linked to Russia.[35]

January–June 2016t

January:

Cohen attempts to contact Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, requesting assistance towards construction of a Trump-branded building in Moscow.[36]

January 19:

Konstantin Sidorkov, executive at Vkontakte (VK, Russia’s equivalent to Facebook), emails Donald Trump Jr. and social media director Dan Scavino (and again November 5, 2016) offering to help promote Trump’s campaign to its nearly 100 million users. Goldstone brokered the overture.[37]

February 29:

Paul Manafort submits a five-page proposal to Trump outlining his qualifications to help Trump secure enough convention delegates and win the Republican presidential nomination. Manafort describes how he had assisted several business and political leaders, notably in Russia and Ukraine.[38]

Spring:

U.S. intelligence officials’ suspicions about Russian meddling in the election grow after their counterparts in Europe warn that Russian money might be flowing into the presidential election.[15]

You just know the Republican Party would have impeachment hearings by now based on a rumor that Hillary Rodman Clinton doesn't use the proper recycle bins for her trash.

The entire Republican Party should be stripped of all their clothes and material belongings (including their foreign bank accounts) and shamed, shamed, shamed out of Washington DC.

March:

George Papadopoulos first meets Joseph Mifsud, while travelling in Italy.[39]

March 19:

Clinton presidential campaign chairman John Podesta is asked to change his email password in an apparent phishing attempt, believed to be spearheaded by Russian hackers. They successfully gain access to his account.[24]

March 21:

In a Washington Post interview,[40][41] Trump identifies Carter Page and George Papadopoulos as being among his foreign policy advisers. Page had helped open the Moscow office of investment banking firm Merrill Lynch and had advised Russian state-owned energy giant Gazprom, in which Page is an investor. He had blamed 2014 US sanctions relating to Russia’s annexation of Crimea for driving down Gazprom’s stock price.[42] Earlier in March 2016, Iowa tea party activist Sam Clovis had recommended Page to the Trump campaign.[43]

March 24:

Papadopoulos meets in a London café with Joseph Mifsud and Olga Polonskaya, who falsely claims to be a niece of Vladimir Putin.[44] Polonskaya is in regular email contact with Papadopolous, in one message writing: "We are all very excited by the possibility of a good relationship with Mr. Trump".[45]

March 29:

On Roger Stone's recommendation,[46] Manafort joins the Trump campaign as convention manager, tasked with lining up delegates.

March 31:

At the first meeting of Trump's foreign policy team, which includes Trump and Sessions, Papadopoulos speaks of his connections with Russia, and offers to negotiate a meeting between Trump and Putin. Sessions later states he opposed the idea.[47][48][49][50]

April:

Mifsud introduces Papadopoulos to Ivan Timofeev, program director of the Kremlin-linked Valdai Discussion Club. Papadopoulos and Timofeev communicate for months concerning potential meetings between Russian government officials and members of the Trump campaign. Later records indicate that Timofeev discussed Papadopoulos with former Russian Foreign Minister Igor S. Ivanov.[51][52]

Between April and November 2016, at least 18 further exchanges by telephone and e-mail occur between Russian officials and the Trump team.[53][54]

Hackers linked to the GRU gain access to the DNC computer network.[24]

April 20:

Manafort becomes Trump’s campaign manager. Reports surface about his 2007 to 2012 ties to former President of Ukraine Victor Yanukovych, whom Manafort had helped to elect.[55]

April 26:

At a London hotel, Papadopoulos conducts a second meeting with Joseph Mifsud. Mifsud reveals that during a recent trip to Russia, he learned that the Russians are in possession of thousands of stolen emails that are politically damaging to Clinton.[56][57] Papadopoulos pleads guilty in October 2017 to lying to the FBI about these meetings.[58][59] Prior to the second Mifsud meeting, Papadopoulos emails Stephen Miller, informing him that Putin has extended an "open invitation" to Trump. Following the meeting, Papadopoulos informs Miller that he has "some interesting messages coming in from Moscow about a trip when the time is right."[60]

April 27:

Trump, Sessions and Jared Kushner greet Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington D.C. This contact is repeatedly omitted from testimony, or is denied.[61][62][63] Trump delivers a speech edited by Papadopoulos. It calls for improved relations between the US and Russia. Papadopoulos brings the speech to the attention of Mifsud and Polonskaya, and tells Timofeev that it should be considered "the signal to meet".[64]

Late April:

The DNC's IT department notices suspicious computer activity. Within 24 hours, the DNC contacts the FBI, and hires a private cybersecurity firm, CrowdStrike, to investigate.[65]

May:

CrowdStrike determines that sophisticated adversaries—denominated Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear—had been responsible for the DNC hack. Fancy Bear, in particular, is suspected of affiliation with Russia’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU).[66] At London's Kensington Wine Rooms, George Papadopoulos reveals to the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, Alexander Downer, that the Russians have politically damaging material on Hillary Clinton. Two months later, Australian officials pass this information to American officials.[67]

May 26:

The Associated Press reports that Trump has secured enough delegates to become the presumptive Republican nominee.[24]

Summer:

Papadopoulos is approached via LinkedIn by American-Belarussian Sergei Millian of the obscure Russian-American Chamber of Commerce. Papadopoulos and Millian meet repeatedly in Manhattan to discuss starting an energy business together, to be financed by Russian billionaires "who are not under sanctions". They also discuss the possibility of a Trump Tower in Moscow.[68]

June 3:

Donald Trump Jr. receives an e-mail from Goldstone offering, on behalf of Azeri singer Emin Agalarov, to meet an alleged Russian government official who “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” as "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Trump Jr. responds "I love it," and schedules the meeting. Goldstone also offers to relay the information to Trump Sr. through his assistant, if it was desired.[69]

June 9: Kushner, Manafort and Trump Jr. meet in Trump Tower with Goldstone, Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian attorney,[70] Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist[71] Ike Kaveladze, a representative of Aras Agalarov's Crocus Group,[72] and a translator.[73] Veselnitskaya is best known for lobbying against the Magnitsky Act, an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers.[74] Trump Jr later acknowledges that he asked Veselnitskaya for damaging information about the Clinton Foundation and states that Veselnitskaya had none.[75]

Early June:

At a closed-door gathering of foreign policy experts visiting with the Prime Minister of India, Page hails Putin as stronger and more reliable than President Obama and touts the positive effect that a Trump presidency would have on U.S.-Russia relations.[76] June 13: A hacker or group calling themselves Guccifer 2.0 releases over 10,000 names from the DNC in two spreadsheets and a list of objectionable quotes from Sarah Palin.[77]

June 18:

Guccifer 2.0 dumps a new batch of documents from the DNC servers, including personal information of 20,000 republican donors and opposition research on Trump.[78]

June:

The FBI sends a warning to states about "bad actors" probing state voter-registration databases and systems to seek vulnerabilities; investigators believe Russia is responsible.[79] Rick Dearborn, then Chief of Staff for Sessions, sends an email mentioning an individual from West Virginia seeking to connect Trump campaign members with Putin. Dearborn appears "skeptical" of the meeting request.[80]

July–September

July:

Christopher Steele reveals to an FBI agent in Rome some of the findings from his work-in-progress dossier which alleges a wide-ranging Russian conspiracy.[81]

July 7:

In a lecture at the New Economic School in Moscow,[82] Page criticizes American foreign policy, saying that many of the mistakes spoiling relations between the US and Russia “originated in my own country.”[83] Page had received permission from the Trump campaign to make the trip.[84] Page also meets Russian Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich during the visit.[85]

July 9:

The Washington Post reports that Trump is considering Flynn for Vice President, with support from Senator Jeff Sessions.[86] Trump eventually selects Mike Pence, Governor of Indiana.

July 18–21: Republican Convention in Cleveland[87]

July 18:

Kislyak attends the convention, meeting Page and J. D. Gordon;[1] as Trump's foreign policy advisors, they stress that he would like to improve relations with Russia.[88] Sessions speaks with Kislyak at a Heritage Foundation event.[1][89] Gordon lobbies to remove arms sales to Ukraine from the Republican platform, citing concerns over conflict escalation in Donbass.[90][91] In December 2017, Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported the weapons sale, says that Trump directed Gordon to weaken that position.[92]

July 21:

Trump formally accepts the Republican nomination.[93]

July 22:

WikiLeaks publishes 20,000 emails from seven key DNC officials. The emails shows them disparaging Bernie Sanders and favoring Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential primaries.[94]

July 24:

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is forced to resign following the Wikileaks email publication on July 22.[95]

What s with Ivanka sitting in Putin’s chair?

Was that news before?

July 25–28: Democratic Convention in Philadelphia.[96]

July 25:

Based on assessments from cybersecurity firms, the DNC and the Clinton campaign say that Russian intelligence operators have hacked their e-mails and forwarded them to WikiLeaks.[97]

July 27:

At a news conference, Trump "hopes" that Russia can find Clinton's missing emails. The remark triggers a backlash from media and politicians who criticize Trump's "urging a foreign adversary to conduct cyberespionage" against his political opponent.[98][99] Trump replies that he was being "sarcastic".[100]

July 28:

Hillary Clinton formally accepts the Democratic nomination.[101]

End July: CIA Director John Brennan, alarmed over intelligence that Russia is trying to "hack" the election, forms a working group of officials from the CIA, FBI and NSA.[102]

July: According to later testimony by James Comey, the FBI starts a counter-intelligence investigation about Russian interference, including possible coordination between Trump associates and Russia.[103]

August:

Julian Assange addresses the Green Party National Convention in Houston via videolink, concerning the hacked DNC documents published by Wikileaks. Green candidate Jill Stein later states she does not know why or how this address was arranged.[104]

August 4:

Brennan calls his Russian counterpart Alexander Bortnikov, head of the Federal Security Service (FSB), to warn him against meddling in the presidential election.[102]

August 16:

Stone tells Alex Jones that he is in contact with WikiLeaks director Julian Assange, claiming he has "political dynamite" on Clinton.[105]

August 17:

Trump is warned in an FBI briefing that foreign adversaries including Russia would likely attempt to infiltrate his campaign. A similar briefing is given to Clinton in the same month.[106][107]

August 18:

The FBI issues a nationwide "flash alert" warning state election officials about foreign infiltration of election systems in two states, later reported to be Arizona and Illinois. The alert includes technical evidence suggesting Russian responsibility, and urges states to boost their cyberdefenses. Although labeled for distribution only to "NEED TO KNOW recipients," a copy is leaked to the media.[108]

August 19:

Manafort resigns as Trump's campaign manager.[109]

August 26:

Assange states that Clinton is causing "hysteria" about Russia, following her claims that Russian intelligence was behind the leaks.[110] He also says "The Trump campaign has a lot of things wrong with it, but as far as we can see being Russian agents is not one of them."[110]

August:

Trump donor Rebekah Mercer asks the CEO of Cambridge Analytica whether the company could better organize the Clinton-related emails being released by WikiLeaks.[111]

September 8:

Sessions meets with Kislyak a second time, in Sessions' office;[1] he later says they discussed Ukraine and terrorism.[112]

September 25:

When asked by CNN about allegations linking Page to Russia, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway denies that Page is part of the Trump campaign.[113][114]

September 29:

Comey testifies before the House Judiciary Committee, confirming that federal investigators have detected suspicious activities in voter registration databases, as stated in the August 18 alert.[115]

Wow, talk about reciepts.

maybe the NYT article is a cover for the FBI's background search of dump?

Because you know his cultists would scream if they knew how long the FBI has been watching that fool.

Maybe the NYT story is a way for the rest of the media to fixate on what sparked the investigation Vs the dossier. Makes it more "legit" coming from someone in the campaign running their jibs in a way

October–November 2016t

Early October:

A team of FBI agents travel to Europe to speak with Steele, concerning his work-in-progress dossier which alleges a wide-ranging Russian conspiracy.[116]

October 7:

WikiLeaks begins publishing thousands of emails from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta, revealing excerpts from Clinton's paid speeches to Wall Street.[117][118] The DHS and the ODNI issue a joint statement[119] accusing the Russian government of breaking into the computer systems of several political organizations and releasing the obtained material via DCLeaks, WikiLeaks and Guccifer 2.0, with the intent "to interfere with the U.S. election process."[120]

October 12:

WikiLeaks writes to Trump Jr. “Hey Donald, great to see you and your dad talking about our publications,” “Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us.”[121] Fifteen minutes later, Donald Trump Sr. writes on Twitter, "Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!"[122]

October 14:

Trump Jr. tweets a specific Wikileaks link.[123] Pence denies that the Trump campaign is working with Wikileaks, stating that "nothing could be further from the truth".[124]

October 19: During the third presidential debate, Clinton blames Russia for the DNC email leaks and accuses Trump of being a "puppet" of Putin.[125] Trump denies ever meeting Vladimir Putin or having any connection to him.[126] A Financial Times probe finds evidence a Trump venture has links to alleged laundering network.[127]

October 24:

Trump announces at a Florida campaign rally, "I have nothing to do with Russia, folks, I’ll give you a written statement."[128]

October 27:

At the Valdai Discussion Club yearly forum, Putin denounces American "hysteria" over accusations of Russian interference, saying “Does anyone seriously think that Russia can influence the choice of the American people?”[129]

October 31:

Through the "red phone", President Obama tells President Putin to stop interfering or face consequences.[130] Mother Jones magazine's David Corn reported a veteran spy, later known to the public as Steele, had given the FBI information alleging a Russian operation to cultivate Trump, later known as the "Steele dossier".[131]

We need to convict all these traitors, and enforce the death penalty judgement. So many people have souls out our country...they should all swing from the end of a rope!

Can you imagine the flow chart in Mueller’s office?

SHE SAT IN HIS CHAIR??????

Yes, she sat in his chair. And when she was asked about it, she admitted that she didn’t visit Putin’s Office. She claims she can’t remember whether she sat in his chair or not.

Wow that is so Treason.

Typo in r295. Ivanka admitted she DID visit Putin’s office...

it's a spider web, r293. With a big, fat, hairy Russian spider in the center of it.

How do they even try to deny this now? It’s all out there.

Did Ivanka sit in Putin's chair or on his face?

R297 - did Ivanka get a cash payment for Vlad the Cad for Daddy Dearest Don The Con?

^ FROM Vlad The Cad

Australian media has independently confirmed that Papadopoulos’ big mouth led to Australia warning the US about Trump/Russia campaign conspiracy.

No, R290. For those people including many in the media who still need to believe the NY Times is still one of the "good guys," this story alleging Papdopoulis was the beginning of the investigation allows them some shred of reassurance about the Times. IMO the Times is throwing out this bone in the hope of helping to create confusion about timelines and also to limit the investigation's scope.

Clearly it did not start with Papadopoulis but both foreign and domestic Intel agencies were on to this for a year by then. They were all watching Russia for the simple reason that Russia was never trusted and had proven itself to be a meddlesome piece of shit all over Europe. Obama was trusted. European leaders liked him a lot.

They were particularly reassured when Obama appointed Hillary as SoS because she' a highly respected public figure, and together they did a lot to restore good will between America and other nations after eight years of Bush/Cheney shitting on our relationships. People don't seem to understand that in a global economy, playing nice with the other kids goes a long way towards contributing to our economic health and it also does a lot to help with the war on terror.

But taken together, Obama and HIllary enraged Putin. He seemed to blame them for everything he failed at. He blamed Hillary for inspiring the demonstrations in his country. He blamed Obama because other leaders in Europe and the Middle East were emboldened to stand up to him. Obam was particularly damaging to Putin's attempts to dig into the Middle East even more than he already was. Syria and Iran have been "clients" of Russia for a long time. Russia's hands and Putin's in particular when he was KGB, have been fucking with the Middle East since the early 80's that I know of.

So along comes Trump who is a racist a divisive piece of shit, and a greedy bastard. Putin plays him like a piano. Is still playing him. Trump is a money launderer. He's a predatory deal maker who knows nothing about loyalty or ethics and his naked need for praise and attention make him vulnerable to manipulation by someone as expert as Putin. People are buying books to read about Trump out here, but I'd love to read the definitive expose' on Vladimir Putin.

I still can't believe she sat in his chair. I mean, what other proof do you need that they were all in on it?

Done in by the Greek

Has Trump already called the Sunday Morning Herald fake news?

Just think....this is just what the public is aware of. Imagine the rest of the dirt the FBI and Mueller have an this shitstain and his cabel. Any red-blooded American who goes through that list and then declares there is nothing there is a traitor to this country and should be exiled. Seriously.

I'm still catching up on this thread so I apologize if this has been discussed, but we REALLY should start a thread documenting which members of Congress have taken Russian money for all of the DL to refer to.

R301, I’m not R297, but I think the answer to your question is yes.

One of the wackiest things that happened in the summer of 2016 was Ivanka & her husband running off to Croatia on “holiday”!

She had given birth only a couple of weeks previous, leaves the newborn, and off they went to meet Wendy (The Bag Man) Deng, in the sweltering (100 degree plus daily temperatures) off-season of Croatia!

They rented David Geffen’s yacht, and in all the pics they are dripping with sweat.

So Deng had cash for The Trump Campaign from Putin , but obviously not directly, hence his girlfriend brought it.

The next week Manafort told the press that rumors of the campaign having financial troubles were false. In fact he said the campaign had plenty of money.

I remember that R310. You know what I find puzzling? It was obvious to a lot of us, they were so in your face with it, but the news media refused to cover Trump and his crew critically. there was no taste for investigative pieces. And if some investigative feature writer from a magazine did it, it was pretty much ignored . Even Maddow seemed more infatuated with the whole Bernie/Hillary thing than she was interested in investigating Trump. When I read about how the Prosecutors for the state of NY are going to go after JAred or Trump, etc. I have to wonder. None of this stuff is new. None of it. He's been doing wrong for years. Why now? Why not then? And last year, some of the stuff that we know to day was known then about his business interests with oligarchs. And yet nothing happened. He was given 24/7/365 coverage, his rallies, etc. the spectacle, but none of the substance of who he really was. Surely after he secured the nomination and was a serious contender representing a major party, the media should have gone after him with everything they had.

[quote]I'm still catching up on this thread so I apologize if this has been discussed, but we REALLY should start a thread documenting which members of Congress have taken Russian money for all of the DL to refer to.

Just off the top of my head:

Mitch McConnell

Marco Rubio

Devin Nunes (duh)

Lindsay Graham

John Kasich

John McCain

Paul Ryan

Dana Rohrbacker (double duh)

Who else?

People did go after him and it was ignored. Trump insisted it was all bullshit. Even Hillary called him out on his shit. People ate it up like a reality show....and Trump excelled at it. Why do you think Trump said he could shoot somebody on 5th ave and nobody would care ?

R312 - can we add Jason Chaffetz to your list?

From Jason Chaffetz's wiki page; WTF?!?!?

Chaffetz's father was Jewish, and his paternal grandfather Maxwell (Max) Chaffetz (1909–1986), the son of immigrants from Russia, became an FBI Special Agent. Chaffetz's father's first wife was Kitty Dukakis (née Dickson), who later married Michael Dukakis, future Massachusetts Governor and 1988 Democratic presidential nominee. The relationship between Chaffetz's father and Kitty Dukakis lasted four years and produced Chaffetz's elder half-brother John Dukakis (born John A. Chaffetz), who was later adopted by Michael and Kitty Dukakis. While in college, Chaffetz worked as a Utah co-chairman of Michael Dukakis’ 1988 presidential campaign. As reported in 2009, Chaffetz remains close to his half-brother and the Dukakis family.

Can we please please please hope for a scenario where it turns out Bernie was also involved in this Russia scandal and goes down as well? I can't stand the smugness of that loser who acts like he won and somehow has a mandate. Also, the look on the faces of his hardcore supporters would be hysterical.

Forget Chaffetz - yes, def. on that funding list.

Trump and his people were getting ready to out Graham and then McCain had to do what Trump told him to do, McCain trying to protect Graham. This is such a huge ducking mess, it is like a nightmare. Is there any end to it? Which Senator or Representative is going to kiss Trump ass next? Is everything lost? Are we going to have to watch this Trump jackass destroy our country forever?

What's Chaffetz doing these days?

The 3 GOP Congressmen that tried to introduce a resolution to remove Mueller are Matt Getz of FL, Andy Biggs of AZ, and Louie Gohmert of TX.

Add Jim Jordan of OH.

They appear often on Fox.

r316......Does Tad Devine ring any bells ? Bernies top strategist, also a partner of Paul Manafort. You still think Bernie might be tied to this somehow ?

The Russian idiots who still come here...still pushing that Clinton and President Obama were the bad guys. Republicans are ALWAYS the bad guys.

That Matt Gaetz needs to be publicly as the drunken closet case he is......7 or more dui covered up by daddy, and a rumored "alternative gay lifestyle".........no wonder hes such a douche.

Matt Gaetz of FL

(spelling)

Bernie Sanders' campaign strategist was Tad Devine (who along with his business partner Paul Manafort orchestrated the cheating of the Ukraine election in order to install a Putin puppet); Devine was thus employed when the Sanders campaign hacked into the DNC and stole addresses (and then, ironically, complained that THEY were the victims).

Bernie Sanders was the only "left-wing" senator to vote AGAINST Russian sanctions.

r325....To be fair, Sanders did say he only voted against sanctions because he felt they didnt go far enough.....at least thats his story.

I hate that smug-fuck Sanders just as much as the rest of the traitors we talk about in these threads.

More than anything else that occurred in the VAST long-con, smear campaign against Hillary, Sanders is the only SINGLE factor, that had it not happened, none of the rest would’ve made enough difference.

Reading the timeline someone posted above (THANK YOU SO MUCH!), the scope of what just happened to this country is breathtaking.

With the clarity of a year to try and look at the 2016 Presidential Election and the unseen forces that were conspiring against Mrs. Clinton it is a testament to who she is, and how she is regarded that she still did as well as she did.

It breaks my heart to think of these treasonous greedy monsters, and what they’ve done.

r327...Dont forget that BS websites were attacked by russian bots.....seriously.....they had to shut several of them down. They channeled a lot of the Clinton rage

R305 Someone needs to remind Princess Scheister that orange is the new black.

I think Sanders should be on the list. Also Jill Stein. Possibly the three congressmen trying to get Mueller fired.

LOTS of shady stuff here.

Still, (at least for now) let’s keep the focus where it belongs: the À-Holes who used Russia to win, and who are now using the power they won to obstruct and cover it all up.

Trump heads the list.

Does Ivanka ever wear orange.

r332 If justice serves she will.

Perhaps Trump promised Miss Lindsey a trip to Africa with Don Jr. to slaughter exotic wildlife. Miss Lindsey in safari attire with a wide-brim hat holding on tightly to Junior atop an elephant guided by a Kenyan, would be a sight to behold.

I'm still catching up on this thread so I apologize if this has been discussed, but we REALLY should start a thread documenting which members of Congress have taken Russian money for all of the DL to refer to. Just off the top of my head:

Mitch McConnell

Marco Rubio

Devin Nunes (duh)

Lindsay Graham

John Kasich

John McCain

Paul Ryan

Dana Rohrbacker (double duh)

Matt Gaetz

Andy Biggs

Louie Goehmert

Bernie Sanders

Ted Davine

Jill Stein

Reince Priebus

Michael Cohen

Donald Trump

Donald Trump Jr

Erik Trump

Ivanka Trump

Jared Kushner

Mike Pence

Gen Mike Flynn

Mike Flynn Jr

KellyAnne Conway

K.T. McFarland

Rudy Giuliani

Hope Hicks

George Papadopolus

Carter Page

Paul Manafort

Paul Manafort's partner

Who else? Think of all the names we aren't yet familiar with, like Papadopolus.

r335....Dont forget that vile piece of shit Trey Gowdy.....it was recently disclosed his super pac took 900,000 from the russians.

R335 maybe Jim Jordan?

IC Twitter is pissed about the New York Times piece.

Basically the times has been infiltrated....remember their piece about the FBI finding no connection between Trump and Russia ?

Gowdy is a bigtime Koch darling. The Kochs funded Gowdy to successfully primary an incumbent Republican in SC. The incumbent (Ingles) had supported a pro-environment piece of legislation and did not deny climate change.

Add Issa, Cotton, & King to the list.

1. Mitch McConnell

2. Marco Rubio

3. Devin Nunes (duh)

4. Lindsay Graham

5. John Kasich

6. John McCain

7. Paul Ryan

8. Dana Rohrbacker

9. Matt Gaetz

10. Andy Biggs

11. Louie Goehmert

12. Bernie Sanders

13. Ted Davine

14. Jill Stein

15. Reince Priebus

16. Michael Cohen

17. Donald Trump

18. Donald Trump Jr

19. Erik Trump

20. Ivanka Trump

21. Jared Kushner

22. Mike Pence

23. Gen Mike Flynn

24. Mike Flynn Jr

25. KellyAnne Conway

26. K.T. McFarland

27. Rudy Giuliani

28. Hope Hicks

29. George Papadopolus

30. Carter Page

31. Paul Manafort

32. Paul Manafort's partner

33. Steve Bannon

34. Robert Mercer

35. Rebekah Mercer

36. Roger Stone

37. KAC's husband

38. Richard Spencer

39. David Duke

40. That writer for Rolling Stone

41. Issa

42. Cotton

43. King

44. Sebastian Gorka

I don't necessarily agree with all these names (Kasich??), but I think it's good to cast the bet wide for now. Is it possible that people at Fox are literally balls deep in Russia too?

*net

I feel bad for Hillary, the more we learn about Russiagate, the more I feel she was robbed. Yes her campaign made mistakes, but she was a good person, had great policy ideas, and would have been a great President.

I know this sounds stupid, but I kind of don't want a female President right now. Yes I want it to happen, and yes it will happen, but the idea of someone like Kamala Harris getting the title (when she has done 10% of what Hillary has done for the country) is painful. Like Hillary did all the work of the marathon, and then someone else is going to get to cross the finish line.

It just pisses me off. It's not fair.

Where's the guillotine?

Can sitting members in the house and senators be indicted without impeachment? Does any specific legal action suspend their congressional duties / privileges?

Can you see where I'm going?

R347, I believe the answer to your first query is yes. The second answer is no. Yes, we see where you're going. It's super fucked up over here, be glad you aren't here.

[quote] Can sitting members in the house and senators be indicted without impeachment?

Yes. Many have been. Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) just went through a federal criminal trial where he had been indicted. The trial ended in a hung jury. Here is a Washington Post article from July 2015 listing the members who had been indicted just since 1980.

Is it just me or have the trolls been super quiet the past couple of days?

To add to the shady Sanders campaign, there was a 1-million-dollar donation in tiny amounts that all came from the same foreign source on one day that still has not been identified by the Sanders camp.

No r350, you are correct and it's a VERY positive sign. This place almost feels normal again.

Even the trolls celebrate their holidays. Although the Orthodox Christmas is a bit later, isn't it?

Thanks to both of you. I was hoping that indictment might suspend their voting privileges, and that there's enough of them to shift the balance of power in both houses.

[quote] there was a 1-million-dollar donation in tiny amounts that all came from the same foreign source on one day that still has not been identified by the Sanders camp.

Oh, I'm certain that Jane just misplaced the receipts that she kept in the old cigar box under the bed.

R354, that's actually one of the kind-boggling things that's come out of this, is we all see now that there aren't enough safeguards in our Constitution. I mean, I don't want a single judge he's appointed to render decisions!!! And yet that's not how it works here.

MIND-boggling grrrrr

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again.....If it is proven that Trump conspired with Russia, every single appointment he has made should be rescinded. We the people need to demand it to insure confidence.....especially with the judicial seats....Gorsuch included. Regardless of their records, they become suspect because of Trump. You cant be sure that none of them have been compromised,

1. Mitch McConnell

2. Marco Rubio

3. Devin Nunes (duh)

4. Lindsay Graham

5. John Kasich

6. John McCain

7. Paul Ryan

8. Dana Rohrbacker

9. Matt Gaetz

10. Andy Biggs

11. Louie Goehmert

12. Bernie Sanders

13. Ted Davine

14. Jill Stein

15. Reince Priebus

16. Michael Cohen

17. Donald Trump

18. Donald Trump Jr

19. Erik Trump

20. Ivanka Trump

21. Jared Kushner

22. Mike Pence

23. Gen Mike Flynn

24. Mike Flynn Jr

25. KellyAnne Conway

26. K.T. McFarland

27. Rudy Giuliani

28. Hope Hicks

29. George Papadopolus

30. Carter Page

31. Paul Manafort

32. Paul Manafort's partner

33. Steve Bannon

34. Robert Mercer

35. Rebekah Mercer

36. Roger Stone

37. KAC's husband

38. Richard Spencer

39. David Duke

40. That writer for Rolling Stone

41. Issa

42. Cotton

43. King

44. Sebastian Gorka

45. Sean Spicer

46. Steven Miller

47. Jeff Sessions

48. Huckabee Sanders

R358 The President nominates. It is Congress that confirms them.

It is madness at this point. The GOP accused Hillary of crimes, the FBI investigated and found nothing wrong so now they are accusing the FBI of corruption. They are hell bent on creating a crime where none exists and if no one will do what they say they will replace them with people who will.

I just hope to Christ we can all stay MOTIVATED. One of their strongest strategies is simply wearing the public out. They understand that the American people can only stand so much and they are banking on a small public outcry. We are each individually responsible for not only keeping ourselves actively engaged in protests and social media, but also continuing to speak out to every single person we are connected too. That is your DUTY. Don't let your country down, we must keep fighting, never ever give up. The pressure is indeed working, just look at Alabama.

Wise words, R362. Agreed!

[quote]SHE SAT IN HIS CHAIR??????

Then he sniffed it

Early on I remember people saying that one of their strategies is going to be to just exhaust you in to not caring.

I'm worried that it's working on some.

R365 it totally is!!! I'm someone who is as engaged as possible, and I've had to take several "sabbaticals" from the news. This is HARDCORE, it is indeed wearing people out. But what I've learned is that it's ok to give myself permission to take a break as long as I head back to face it and stay active. People need to be told that it's ok to take say, two to four weeks off, but then jump right back in the water.

And for the Bernie Sanders apologists be advised. The most important thing for you to remember is that Manafort and Devine worked together to fuck with the elections in the Ukraine and that Bernie's staff under Devine's supervision hacked the DNC.. When BErnie says he won't vote for something because "it doesn't go far enough" that's part of his pattern. He's done it repeatedly Healthcare, Immigration Reform, Auto Industry Bailout, etc.etc.etc. It's bullshit. It's a fig leaf. He has been in Congress for 30 years and hasn't done shit except consistently support the Gun manufacturers. Oh. And he voted for Wall Street deregulation. All those starry eyed BernieBots seem to over look his record. Of course now we know so many of them were RussianBots too. Bernie is a very typical throwback from the 60's and 70's. They are disruptors.

I feel sadness and anger for Hillary Clinton, too. She really was robbed of the Presidency. It is reprehensible that sexism is so pervasive that it's reflexive enough to send the FBI, thanks to Rudy Giuliani and the New York Field office goons and retirees Giuliani employs in his security firm, to go after Hillary and her e-mails. Rudy was very effective creating a whisper campaign for his media connections to convince them an indictment would be handed down any minute for months. It was a despicable thing to do and through it all Hillary never flinched. She has been strong and conducted herself like a real leader. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't feel the loss very acutely. She would have been an outstanding leader.

Good post, R367. That information should be repeated in every thread.

I can't think of another American figure like Rudy. I just adored that man when 9/11 happened, because he just seemed so strong, so willing to jump in the trenches. He stayed in the weeds right after the attack. He was a hero.

But now, realizing his dastardly deeds (plus all the years of just listening to him speak) I now realize he is NOT a hero. He is scum. But it's a good reminder that even scum bags can do heroic things, and that's what confuses us.

r369 I was just discussing this over the holidays with family members. What a leading light Rudy was during 9/11, and how far he's fallen since. He's likely to do prison time when all this is said and done. You wonder what could have happened.

FWIW - The trolls Are unusually quiet.

(Though there seems to be at least one - trying to shift the focus/conversation.)

R162 Thanks for the link. I've always wondered where Giuliani got his info also.

[quote]To add to the shady Sanders campaign, there was a 1-million-dollar donation in tiny amounts that all came from the same foreign source on one day that still has not been identified by the Sanders camp.

And the as-yet unexplained $10 million in mystery donations that were all made by anonymous Washington, D.C., residents on the same day.

Where was the FIRST place a caravan of SUV sped after the 2017 inauguration?

Amid all the coverage of attacks on media about crowd size, holding a pep rally on hallowed ground, and reassurances that "I'm like a smart person," it was overlooked and underreported that he met immediately on arrival with the senior CIA folks.

The first day in office.

Interesting analysis on how Democratic institutions have and have not held up under Trump.

A reminder of how much there is to remember.

Chuck Grassley needs to be added to the list. That old fucker has done more than anyone to disrupt investigations and coverup for trump from day one.

You'd think a NYT or WaPo reporter, with all their resources, would start looking into these congressional leaders and why they are acting the way they are acting. There is something much deeper and disturbing than just 'Republicans covering for Republicans' going on here and the press totally ignores it.

r332, Ivanka's new fashion line is ALL orange.

In that excellent timeline posted above, missing was the meeting between Jared & Ivanka and Wendi Deng (who is SO shady herself) in Croatia. Imagine flying all that way, having had a baby only 2 weeks before, just to meet someone for a few hours?

And of course another shady individual, David Geffen, is tangentially involved through the loan of his yacht.

This Guardian article was mentioned up-thread, but I don't think it was linked. It appears, from reading this, that British spies had evidence of Trump collusion with Russia back in 2015, because they were spying on Russians (of course) and the Russians connections with Trump were swept up in their normal ops.

My inference from this article is that hard evidence (probably recordings) already exists proving the Trump/Russia collusion, but cannot be used in a US court because it's classified. Some IC experts on Twitter floated this idea a while back, and it now seems supported by this reporting.

I think the reason Mueller is taking so long is because the collusion is so complex and far reaching, and he doesn't want his investigation shut down until he has it all (and you KNOW the Repugs would jump on any excuse to shut it down).

Another connection between Bernie Sanders and Vladimir Putin -- Bernie's deputy national director has returned to Russia to work for a Putin plant (the candidate is widely understood to be an obvious plop by Putin to forego questions of electoral legitimacy).

[quote]I think the reason Mueller is taking so long

Not to be pedantic or a nag or anything, but it must always be noted that Mueller is not actually taking a long time. This investigation seems to be zipping along at light speed compared to most.

its scarey. the trumpsters/russians,/ $ gangsters have such a grip on it all.

i fear the investigation will not wind up in any one in jail.

bummer

for gods sake impeach the guy before the country is in the ditch even more...

Agreed, R382, but it sure does ~seem~ like a long time. Of course this is largely down to all Trump's endless fuckery making every week seem like it lasts a month (in political terms, at least).

Rudy is scum. There were whispers about him being corrupt and tied to Russia but nothing proved. It would not surprise me though. He became famous as the Italian who busted Gotti and broke up the Italian Mob. It was a big deal and he rode it all the way to the Mayor' office. He thought he could be President at one point. It begs the question that since we definitely saw the ascendancy of the Russian mobs on the East coast during that same period, maybe Rudy and the oligarchs were on friendlier terms then anyone ever knew. He had cover because he made a lot of money off of 9/11 with his "security consulting" and he often hired retired FBI and NYC detectives to work for him As a former U.S. attorney, he was able to get all the gossip from the retired FBI guys and he was on very friendly terms with FBI agents in the NYC field office. So where's Rudy? Has he been out here publicly defending his buddy Trump? Have I just missed him because I avoid Fox "News" and the rest of the Right's propaganda machine? Or is he laying low hoping to ride out the storm. He may very well be assisting the investigation except I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. I believe Rudy is corrupt and he's hoping to ride this out. For all those years the FBI guys in the NY field office probably let him be because he was their guy. He hated Hillary. He and Chris Christie really went after her. Christie is another U.S. attorney who was smart enough to disappear, except he was advising Jared and Trump for a while. He's not a governor anymore. Bet he shows up on some witness list.

[quote]MIND-boggling grrrrr

Not to worry r357. I actually think "kind-boggling" is a pretty perfect description of this administration.

Look. Trump is a fucking thug. That's all he is. He's been heading a criminal enterprise for years. What makes me feel more confident, and not giving him and his ilk too much credit, is that there is definitely a worldwide effort by Intel agencies of our allies to get Trump. They consider Putin a dangerous threat and if Trump is allied to Putin it makes Trump vulnerable to exposure and prosecution.

I love it. Trump talks about firing Sessions, but he ought to be distancing himself from Putin if he wants this to stop. Except he can't because he is all tangled up in the money laundering and the corruption.. The international Intelligence community will get the goods on Trump. If he thinks for one minute firing Mueller or Sessions will fix things for him, he's wrong. And if he believes that allying himself to the Alt Right internationally will sustain him politically he's wrong.

We are going to push back really hard. And we are not going to stop. As for the "Fatigue" R365 and R366 talked about, here's how I deal with it. I have rationed myself. I don't watch as much TV news as I used to. I find that with a few exceptions, (Maddow) they only have one or two big reveals during the week and then "fill in" with panel discussions. Once you've heard one good panel discussion there's no need to sit through another iteration of the same stuff.

I do try to read the major articles in magazines like The Atlantic and The Nation, and the Washington Post. I never read the NYT anymore. If they accidentally do something worthwhile it'll leak its way into the news cycle. I mostly ignore the NYT. I think being discriminating helps with the fatigue. And I never watch the Trump apologists when they come on the explain, deny, or defend. Fuck them. There aren't two sides. When you're wrong, you're wrong.

But there is no way I will ever just opt out and turn it all off. You know, corporate lawyers do this to people who sue their clients. It's a tactic. They drag things out, they drown you in details and bullshit, all contrived to wear you down so you will finally give in or withdraw your suit. Well, I'm not going to get tired. All I have to do i remember that the Republicans never give up or get tired. They are relentless, and they are evil. So, no. I'm here. I'll just be smarter about how I keep up with things. We're navigating through a minefield people. We have to pay attention.

This is almost as good as the Butch Sous Chef!!!!!! Seriously. We the intrepid investigators of DL are once again putting it all together. This is the best damned thread on this site.

1. Mitch McConnell

2. Marco Rubio

3. Devin Nunes (duh)

4. Lindsay Graham

5. John Kasich

6. John McCain

7. Paul Ryan

8. Dana Rohrbacker

9. Matt Gaetz

10. Andy Biggs

11. Louie Goehmert

12. Bernie Sanders

13. Ted Davine

14. Jill Stein

15. Reince Priebus

16. Michael Cohen

17. Donald Trump

18. Donald Trump Jr

19. Erik Trump

20. Ivanka Trump

21. Jared Kushner

22. Mike Pence

23. Gen Mike Flynn

24. Mike Flynn Jr

25. KellyAnne Conway

26. K.T. McFarland

27. Rudy Giuliani

28. Hope Hicks

29. George Papadopolus

30. Carter Page

31. Paul Manafort

32. Paul Manafort's partner

33. Steve Bannon

34. Robert Mercer

35. Rebekah Mercer

36. Roger Stone

37. KAC's husband

38. Richard Spencer

39. David Duke

40. That writer for Rolling Stone

41. Issa

42. Cotton

43. King

44. Sebastian Gorka

45. Sean Spicer

46. Steven Miller

47. Jeff Sessions

48. Huckabee Sanders

49. Chuck Grassley

50. Sam Clovis

51. Wilbur Ross

52. Wendi Deng

53. That first lawyer of Trump's with sun damaged skin

54. Forget name, the official WH counsel

And then THIS. It's actually the most intense Russia story I've read in months.

You know, when this whole mess started, I honestly thought the idea of the Russians manipulating actual vote totals was just conspiracy mongering, but the longer this goes on, and the more we find out that it was going on well before we knew, the more likely it seems.

R391 think about it. Why would the Russians risk so much in terms of their standing in the world, the technology, the exposure, the money, etc. if they couldn't guarantee an outcome? They were doing a lot more than offering technical support and money, a lot more than setting up robot accounts and fake news sites. Stirring up dissension, hacking the DNC, collaborating with WiKi Leaks, etc.

And they really did very little to cover their tracks. They have good Intel. They had to know we and the international intel community were aware of what they were doing. So why not affect the outcome. By stealing the election they took our strengths and used them against us. They mocked us and humiliated us before the entire world for our democratic values, etc. they made Obama look like a wimp and they literally took the Presidency away from Hillary, a woman Putin personally hated. There is no doubt in my mind that they affected the outcome. And the ploy of having Jill Stein come out insisting for a recount and having Trump's goons thwarting all efforts at a recount? States with Republican governors, and Republican Secretaries of state to run their elections? like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida? None of those states had t o actively participate with the Russians. All they had to do is not get in the way when it became clear Trump "won."

Under normal circumstances, I would say "thread closed" ^, but we're in the end times so these threads must continue, sigh.....

r389....and TREY GOWDY.......you keep forgetting that shitstain.

You know we can personally affect this investigation. All we have to do is start tweeting to individual reporters to start looking at members of Congress and "follow the money. " We can also start hounding the shit out of Ryan and a few others on Social media. Ask them embarrassing questions in a public forum, and keep asking. When we read that someone in Congress got $hundreds of thousands from Russian sources we need to publicly ask him about that. Repeatedly. We can help turn up the heat.

Grassly and Gowdy are absolutely part of the list. Terrible people. We also need to be working with Indivisible. I got my e-mail for January listing their action agenda and the workshops and it's pretty comprehensive. I'm in Georgia, and we've been having workshops on Gerrymandering and election laws, since last Fall.

We need to be well informed and Indivisible was started by former House staffers and other policy wonks and activists on the Dem side. They're excellent. Even walk you through how to engage people in a productive way on an issue by issue basis.

I know several former Moderate Republicans who are happily active now that never were before. Because they learn about shit in a non confrontational way. Congressional staff always know how to frame issues effectively if they are any good.

Don’t forget Pence, who I think is gay. He gives me stuffy married queen vibes. A lot of them do, including Hatch and Sessions.

Cotton and Chavits too.

Nunes seems like the type who would kill someone if he could get away with it. Pure evil.

Russia must cultivate beltway queens because they are blackmail targets.

The Greek seems gay too.

Tell me that Sessions has never had a cock in his mouth.

There has got to some escorts in D.C. who know all the tea.

the cockgobbler was not the only one.

For r394

1. Mitch McConnell

2. Marco Rubio

3. Devin Nunes (duh)

4. Lindsay Graham

5. John Kasich

6. John McCain

7. Paul Ryan

8. Dana Rohrbacker

9. Matt Gaetz

10. Andy Biggs

11. Louie Goehmert

12. Bernie Sanders

13. Ted Davine

14. Jill Stein

15. Reince Priebus

16. Michael Cohen

17. Donald Trump

18. Donald Trump Jr

19. Erik Trump

20. Ivanka Trump

21. Jared Kushner

22. Mike Pence

23. Gen Mike Flynn

24. Mike Flynn Jr

25. KellyAnne Conway

26. K.T. McFarland

27. Rudy Giuliani

28. Hope Hicks

29. George Papadopolus

30. Carter Page

31. Paul Manafort

32. Paul Manafort's partner

33. Steve Bannon

34. Robert Mercer

35. Rebekah Mercer

36. Roger Stone

37. KAC's husband

38. Richard Spencer

39. David Duke

40. That writer for Rolling Stone

41. Issa

42. Cotton

43. King

44. Sebastian Gorka

45. Sean Spicer

46. Steven Miller

47. Jeff Sessions

48. Huckabee Sanders

49. Chuck Grassley

50. Sam Clovis

51. Wilbur Ross

52. Wendi Deng

53. That first lawyer of Trump's with sun damaged skin

54. Forget name, the official WH counsel

55. T-Gowd (Trey Gowdy)

Hunny, Larry Flynt and Guccione were the guys who used to out that vermin. What we really need is someone from the NY Daily News to really dig in to find the dirt on the Tri state GOP Reps.

I want to get Ryan, Gowdy, Nunes and Chaffetz SO MUCH. I remember when Eric Cantor finally was defeated I was practically dancing in the streets. Y'all remember Eric Cantor? Now if Boehner wanted to be helpful he'd be secretly leaking insider dirt on Ryan. You know he knows some hit.

What a lot of traitors.

[quote] that's actually one of the kind-boggling things that's come out of this, is we all see now that there aren't enough safeguards in our Constitution.

There never will be, because criminals like them look for loopholes to twist and turn the laws and hire the best lawyers and polititians to create further loopholes until it's pretty obvious what's going on, but what can you do since it's all perfectly legal at this point?

Putin is an ego maniac. Guys like him are not satisfied to commit the crime and get away with it. They must let everybody know that the commit the crime and got away with it ... and still get away with it everybody knowing (he got away with it). The ultimate affirmation of power. He doesn't care for Trump, the GOP, or the polititians he bribed and blackmailed, they are just proof what a great schemer Putin is.

Come to think of it, why don’t the major news outlets ask the question about why Graham flipped. That is a major story that is not getting its due reporting. What the hell happened there.

is Don mcghan the bad skinned lawyer?

Graham needs to be asked point blank: why the flip?

HOPE HICKS testified for two straight days before Mueller, what, 4 weeks ago now? We heard practically nothing about it. Just like we heard nothing about George Papadopulous. Until many months later!

Hope Hicks is young, beautiful, and can only lose when all this shit starts to hit the fan - (and she knows just about everything!) - I bet she was helpful and may come out as one of the unexpected heroes when all is said and done. Just a hunch.

To quote Rachel Maddow, "Watch this space!".

Anybody else have a hunch about this?

R411 whatever else you may believe about Donald Trump, he has no respect for women. None. Hope Hicks might be very helpful verifying certain things as far as time lines, or meetings. She may be cooperating about whether or not she was in the room when Donnie Jr. reported to Dad after his Russia meeting.

But Hope Hicks was not privy to anything seriously confidential that could incriminate Trump directly, except for maybe corroborating information related to an Obstruction charge and I'd bet on that. Trump compartmentalizes things. She was about messaging and making sure she promoted him or t least got him to talk about certain things in terms of themes.

I know this isn't a popular point of view because the media has pinned a lot of hopes on Hope.... But nevertheless I don't think she will be the smoking gun on this. If anyone has insider info that could be regarded as smoking gun material it would be Kelly Ann Conway. She is smarter, older, and understands politics, data and polling numbers, etc. and she was his campaign manager so she operated on the team with the guys.

One more thing. Hope may very well have been in the room when they were strategizing about how to handle the "Russian dirt on Hillary."

No I didn't mean McGahn, he has white hair that's slicked back r409

Here, I got off my lazy ass, it's Marc Kasowitz. AND McGahn.

Sigh....here's the link sorry

I remember Trump had a real nasty Thuggish lawyer who was also his business "advisor" Michael Cohen I think. he reminded me of Sean Penn's character in Carlito's Way. Mr. Sleaze.

[quote]whatever else you may believe about Donald Trump, he has no respect for women.

Undeniably. But Hope Hicks strikes me as being one of those women who live to serve men who treat them like crap. Like a lot of conservatives, they live to submit to the alpha male.

Speaking of HH, is she still working alongside Trump? If she’s still there, glued to his side, I gather she tried to cover for him. If she’s MIA, then there’s an interesting story a-comin'.

R412 You may be right about Hicks. But how much would Felix Sater know and how helpful could he be? I just read this on Seth Abramson's Twitter feed:

"The evidence that Trump business partner Felix Sater is a cooperating individual in the Mueller probe is now overwhelming—and if he is, he's the most dangerous witness against Trump Mueller has (and that *includes* Flynn and Papadopoulos)."

I believe he has eaten her r418.

George P. seems like he knows a lot.

A couple of weeks ago, his fiance (who seemed Russian) and dressed to the nines and lots of plastic surgery was yakking away....I was surprised she was able to go on air.

I never heard of anyone pinning "hopes" on Hope Hicks.

Seth Abramson strikes me as being the left's version of Alex Jones, BUT please let him be right this time. If Sater is cooperating, some SERIOUS shit is going to come out. He knows where the bodies are buried cuz he was the guy who buried them.

Walter Shaub: for anyone on this thread who might not know of him, he is the former Director of Ethics who resigned under Trump many months ago in protest of how the administration was conducting itself. I check his twitter feed often. Recommended...

Shame on you r422! Seth has a stellar CV, I believe Harvard Law, Iowa Writers Workshop, etc. He is THE face on independent journalism. I'm not saying Seth is infallible. But he is the real deal.

I think those of you saying Hope Hicks is inconsequential because she's just a woman in Trump's orbit are wrong. Trump would very likely have treated her as if she wasn't even in the room while he blabbed his fat mouth off about everything under the sun because, to him, she's just decoration. She probably knows everything.

Seth does not seem like an Alex Jones "type"..He seems informed and cites real news sources.

Thank you r423. It's been a long time since I've thought of him.

Also R422, Alex Jones is a community college DROP OUT. No shame in that in and of itself, but you're comparing apples to oranges which is exactly what the right wants you to do. THINK child.

Seth deals in fact-based analysis vs. teasing scoops that don't pan out or retweeting Louise Mensch (Scott Dworkin, Claude Taylor, Bill Palmer, Eric Garland, John Schindler, etc.).

R429, are there any others you would recommend like Seth?

I hate my damn list now, it's making me OCD. So I won't update it yet again, I'll wait til we have say ten new names. But I forgot to add: Steve Mnuchin, Rex Tillerson, possibly Zinke. Maybe other cabinet members? I don't think Gary Cohn belongs on the list, not Mattis/McMaster. What about the new CIA head, doesn't he belong on list?

Does the list have any relevance to objective reality?

R432, noooooooooooo, the list is all good Americans who just got you a yuge tax break! It's all smoke! And mirrors! No puppet! No puppet!

[quote]Seth Abramson strikes me as being the left's version of Alex Jones

That just might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read here on DL and that's saying something. Do you even know about Abramson's career path? Compare those qualifications to Jones' and you'll see just how ridiculous your statement sounds.

Not to mention comparing the stories and information he's linked to and provided vs. those of Alex Jones. No contest.

R434, I'm giving that poster benefit of the doubt just this once. I can understand in this environment how difficult it is to discern at first glance. But now he/she/it knows, so if it continues with the Alex Jones baloney, it must be crushed like a stink bug because that puts it as a troll.

Damn! This is good stuff.

Seth Abramson's latest thread: The evidence that Trump business partner Felix Sater is a cooperating individual in the Mueller probe is now overwhelming—and if he is, he's the most dangerous witness against Trump Mueller has (and that *includes* Flynn and Papadopoulos)

Ties Trump and Co. - family and "friends" to Russian Mafia, Putin, Russian deals, etc. all the way back to the early 2000's. Alleges that Trump even rigged the Miss Universe Pageant to let Putin's then girlfriend/mafia princess win the title, so as to ensure deals down the road.

Heat up the popcorn, ladies, this House of Cards is crumbling and it's gonna be fun to watch the fallout. I hope they televise all of it like they did the OJ trial.

Remember, Felix Sater turned states witness in a huge money laundering scheme in NY years ago.....and was charged but never sentenced because the DOJ has been using him as an informant for years since.....and thats straight out of Loretta Lynchs mouth while testifying before congress a few years ago. So lord knows what Sater has on Trump and if hes been playing double agent all along.

I’m the guy who likened Abramson to Alex Jones. Apologies. I’m clearly confusing him with someone else.

And, outside my wrongness, I’ll repeat the good news — if Felix Sater turns, it’s gonna be massive. Bigger than Flynn.

I've noticed the trolls are still being oddly quiet.

Should we be concerned?

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell show loyalty to a political party and not the country. Ryan refuses to intervene with Nunes.

They will protect Trump regardless.

Only massive and sustained protests by the public will make a difference. But the masses are controlled and unmotivated.

True R441, that is why Trump won't fire Mueller. He is slowly building a case against the DOJ and Mueller as corrupt and undermining any decision they reach. Unless of course it favors him. Then all will be forgotten.

R441, the masses are an inch from mutiny. Charlottesville? Women's March? But I agree with your sentiment, too many are frozen in apathy. We need to firmly SHAKE these people or of their trances. This is the time to rile up every single person you know -- TELL them how the GOP is ducking them. ONLY point out to people the direct examples of he they are directly being negatively impacted. CHALLENGE people who are angry at BLM and the Kneelers. I've been saying to people around me, with dripping sarcasm, "oh yes, the football players are SUCH pieces of shit. Watch a black man get shot in the back by police, and they are using their ONE chance to stand up for their own people. What pieces of SHIT! They clearly hate this country! What the fuck would YOU do if you saw your friends getting *murdered* repeatedly by police......nothing?" Those of us in the Midwest who are progressive I believe have an enormous burden, WE are on the front lines of their ignorance. Call it what it is when you hear it, IGNORANCE! I was raised blue-collar. Yes, soooooo many are bad people, maybe half. But "none" of them likes being called ignorant. So just ask them, "you want the rest of the world to think you're a fucking hillbilly? Our country is founded on giving "everybody" a chance." They can be shamed, some of them.

With Hatch retiring... after his weird gushing and praise over the orange one... has me really wondering if they've got something on him.

So, when Hatch retires, who becomes 4th in line for the Presidency? Supposed to be longest serving Senator?

r437 I also want to see the hearings, trials and everything possible for the joy of being able to scream at my tv "BUSTED!".

You know what we need again? Town halls. I REALLY want to see this fuckers facing angry mobs, that was so delightful.

They won't do them for that very reason.

[quote]So, when Hatch retires, who becomes 4th in line for the Presidency? Supposed to be longest serving Senator?

I believe it's Thad Cochran. Not an improvement.

I read in the MSM that Hope Hicks and the president spend an inordinate amount of alone time together huddling over strategy. That seemed to be "code." What could a 29 year old possibility advise the president about strategy? Her only experience was basically working for Ivanka.

^Does she put Fritos on her vagina for him to eat off of?

Her pussy is essentially a KFC Famous Bowl.

Someone in another thread said this about Seth:

[quote]Seth Abramson is performance art and really shouldn't be respected, least of all around here.

R453 And Trump isn't performance art?

Anyone trying to play down Abramson is a Russian stooge.

Sooo when do they officially declare this a coup?

What does your post mean R453?

What don't you understand about it, R457?

Someone who identifies as a liberal, Trump and Bernie hating, HRC supporter posted a comment in response to a Seth tweet that essentially said he's full of it and shouldn't be respected.

R425 I never said she was inconsequential at all. I just believe that Trump is demonstrably paranoid and he does compartmentalize things, trusts few people, in addition to having contempt for women in general. So far from her being "invisible" in the room while he discusses incriminating strategies I think he'd make sure there were very few people in any room where he directly discussed his Russian relationships, etc. Now, admittedly he might have been talking about something important while she was steaming his trousers, and she is definitely going to be helpful to the FBI, but I still maintain she is not holding any smoking gun. And anything she said she heard would have to be corroborated.

R459, Trump is so arrogant and, at this point, mentally defective that he probably blabs everything.

R456 maybe you've been away? The coup took place in November of last year. They call it Black Tuesday. It became "official" on January 20th of 2017. Right now, we a r e part of the Resistance. At least many of us are. Some of you are trolls, albeit with a lighter touch.

R459, I have read that Trump has NO email. So how does he conduct business? Apparently emails or faxes are sent to Hope. She prints for him to read. He often writes notes on printout. She scans and replies with a PDF of his notes back. Now, I don't know if this accurate, but if it is? Ms. Hicks will be turning states evidence or doing the high step in the prison yard. If that's true that is.....

^I thought Drumpf couldn't read.

Dont forget he still employs Rhona Graff....his assistant for over twenty years at Trump Tower.....she handled all of his private correspondence even during the campaign. When Jr had that email exchange with the russian guy, the guy stated he could go through Rhona, but felt he should go through Jr as to not raise suspicions....or something like that.

Yes R465, I forgot to mention her, his NYC version of Hope. She could be charged as well. They will out the squeeze on these broads.

DJT is tweeting about throwing in prison his political opponrnts, i. e. HRC, Huma, etc. That is projection, but it is also what a third world dictatorships does. He acts as if he wants to dismantle the Justice Dept. and security and investigative agencies. Vladimir Putty has to be amazed at his success.

And this crap Congress fails to do a damn thing about it.

^opponents

For those who don't know the presidential line of succession:

It,would take going to #6, Jim Mattis, Sec. of Defense, to just get out of the danger zone.

r470....he was a Trump pick...I dont care what his credentials are....hes tainted and needs to go.

Got it R458.

But why?!

Seth is a bit of a drama queen, but what has he gotten wrong, factually?

Most of his posts are about assembling and updating the timeline of events.

Nothing to my knowledge ^

R457, if you're so intent on engaging the the traitors, try getting them to work a little harder. Someone on another thread told me that only a few of the Russian DLers are getting bonus for Christmas, money and vodka. And even bottle of abortion vodka for later. Other get extra turnip and dry pasta and ketchup for spaghettis, and maybe foot of pig. Oops!

Stop shitting on Seth and turn your attention to the Op/Ed in the NYT that has broken in the last few hours. Major shit. Makes Congress look real, real bad. I hope we get a lot of media attention and that it's unrelenting. This Op/Ed by the Dossier guys is absolutely going to start a conflagration. It is the most incendiary break through in months. Read it.

R476 can you post a link? There are a number of NYT editorials on there but I didn’t see the one you were referring to.

Thanks r476. Do you have a link ? Who wrote it? Seth?

I think that R476 is referring to this:

So I'm a bit confused: are we or are we not supposed to read the NYT and take them seriously??

Some threads say they are shills for the trumptard and then we get R476 that says we need to read what they wrote.

🤔🤔🤔

some deplorable on my local paper was cackling with glee over this. I reminded him it does not exonerate Trump from collusion or money laundering. He did not appreciate that.

[quote]keep screaming Russia libs.....

Yes,R479, this is the link. I was so glad to see this because all the noise and the attacks are coming from the Right in support of Trump. They're really intense. So this makes Congress and all those fucking committees look bad. And it's about damned time the news media began to cover this with a level of intensity and to cover it 24/7/365. We need to put huge amounts of pressure on Congress. Once this stuff is exposed in the Media it ought to greenlight our calls and social media contacts and really start pressuring Congress to act.

We are in a dangerous position. They are lining up their ducks. Do you think all these incompetent but loyal candidates for judicial appointments are just happenstance? Do you see the speed with which they're appointed? This is all part of politicizing the entire criminal justice system to attack dissent and political enemies at a level unprecedented in our history. To normalize and legitimize the kinds of attacks Trump is engaging in. And Net Neutrality is another nail in Democracy's coffin. Because not only will they break up access to the internet and start charging ridiculous amounts of money, they will in effect censor and limit information in ways we have not even considered.

Once they have achieved voter suppression and made it legal, legalized censorship, and completely subverted the Legal system in our country, we a re fucked. The damage Trump and his gang are doing will be very hard to undo. We have to pressure Congress to act now. The world is watching. Every single bit of pressure we can bring to bear has to be done.

R482, in my lower moods I feel the same. But I will say this. Our country has so many god damn lawyers, there's just NO WAY we will stop fighting. Every single landmark societal change came through our courts. No one ever would have believed that a small team of black lawyers (Brown Vs Board, 1954 I believe) would be the case that would literally change the entire structure of American schools. This shit will be sued from every single we can imagine and then some. There will be at least one group of them devoted solely to getting his judges removed. It's going to be a ton of work, decades. But I do believe we have enough patriotic lawyers to fight this, and not just give up. CREW lost their first round on the Emoluments Clause, but now the appeals begin. If you can afford to, donate to groups like ACLU, SPLC, and CREW. They need funding.

r482 no doubt Trump knew the op-ed piece was hitting tonight and made those ridiculous tweets to distract, he is getting more desperate.

I'm not sure people truly appreciated the importance of Clapper going on television and calling trump a Russian puppet. Former intelligence officials just do not do that sort of thing. The gloves are off. Soon after his interview the story leaked about the Australians telling the FBI about Papadopoulos. Now the Dems in the House are signalling they're going to release their own report detailing all the crap Nunes and Co have pulled, which itself tells us it must be worse than we even know. Now Fusion GPS is telling the Republican traitors to put up or shut up.

Instead of just rolling over and letting the traitors control the narrative people are finally fighting back. It's about goddamn time.

We need to start tweeting those lists our diligent DLers have compiled, tweet them as our list of traitors who took Russian money in exchange for betraying the USA. These people call themselves patriots when al, there are is a dirty bunch of scumbag traitors.

So many of them are dirty traitors, so far beyond what we could imagine, enough of them to be an evil network of treason.

Just for the sheer numbers I believe execution should be considered for the worst offenders. We need to name the worst offenders now and call for their execution by electric chair when the time comes

Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan get the electric chair first.

Nunes definitely number one.

If they sit on each other's laps we could do this two at a time and be done in a day.

That NYT Opinion Piece is HUGE.

My biggest concern is there are just too many corrupt Republicans banding together that will prevent anything being done. A few people upthread have posted lists of Republicans who are corrupt and should have charges brought against them, and continually updating the lists. This article verifies and validates all of that. And those are the ones we know about!

DAMN!!!

Nowhere to hide anymore.

The jig is up.

Maybe someone will get around to asking Graham why he flipped.

guillotine time

I hope the press is relentless in pressuring the House to release the 21 HOURS worth of testimony from the Fusion GPS team. The fact that Fusion told them last August that the FBI investigation into Trump stared before they saw the dossier is HUGE. If the Committee thought Fusion was lying, they would have gone after them. Instead, they’ve just pretending like they didn’t hear Fusion.

The Fusion testimony lays out what their investigation into Trump revealed.

Trump has years worth of corrupt business dealings with Russia. Russia actively worked to get Trump elected by illegal means. The Trump team knew Russia broke the law to help them and they never reported it to authorities. Instead, Trump gave speeches encouraging Putin all along the way.

R493 yes, The mysterious Miss Lindsey is perplexing. She flipped like an IHoP pancake.

August 2016

Love the NYT OpEd. Terrific piece.

This should be leading the news, but it's not. Why? Trump and his "size matters" tweet. Someone in the WH is doing a good job of deflecting.

BUMPing must read from R476/R479

And yes; I think Trump’s tweeting “mine’s bigger” to deflect from this

(and, yes too, trolls are attempting to bury it)

Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian.

Bannon, speaking to author Michael Wolff, warned that the investigation into alleged collusion with the Kremlin will focus on money laundering and predicted: “They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.”

“You realise where this is going,” Bannon is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner … It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

“They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.”

Must-see TV!

[quote]The mysterious Miss Lindsey is perplexing. She flipped like the greedy bottom pig she is.

Fixed that for you.

R485, yes, and we need to be part of fighting back is all I'm saying. We have to take this and run with it. Make sure we are relentless in contacting individual reporters like Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and the whole gang at CBS, NBC, and MSNBC. Make sure David Corn and Joan Walsh and the reporters who appear on the various panels, and the members of Congress are on this. If you watch CNN and MSNBC, the members of Congress who appear need to hear us loud and clear and often. This was the signal, this opens the flood gates We have to be part of this. Be Relentless. That's my motto for 2018.

And R483, yes the lawyers will fight. And yes please give to the ACLU and the other groups. The Emoluments case wasn't discredited. I believe the court ruled that the group suing lacked standing to sue on those grounds. So we will figure out another way to come at them. It's still a legitimate legal issue.

The problem is that once The Right has corrupted the courts , we will have a more difficult time, and frankly time is not our friend. You cited Brown vs Board of Ed, but they were litigating Brown all the way up into the 70's and 80's, and the Supremes crapped out with their dramatic but useless "All deliberate speed...." They did not set timetables and specific deadlines, leaving all that to the states, and so various state and local school districts just ignored the order and refused to integrate. If it weren't for judges like Federal Appeals Court Judge Frank Johnson, (from Alabama) taking an activist role in insisting the decision be implemented nothing would have happened.

The Segregationists fought of every step of the way. A lot of children suffered and failed to get educated. Time is the enemy The other thing to remember is that Brown happened in the 50's and the 50's was also the "moment" when activists renewed their push for Civil Rights.

My point is that we can't simply rely on the Courts and the lawyers. They are part of the struggle but so are we. We have to fight too, and raise hell by putting pressure on Congress and the News media. because without the News Media spotlighting this and raising hell about it every fucking day, Congress will skate.

They are publicly and very deliberately undermining our law enforcement and criminal justice system, by attacking the FBI and the Department of Justice. They are appointing completely incompetent people to the federal bench with lifetime appointments. They're laying the groundwork for censorship and attacking the free press and individual reporters and news outlets daily. Every gain they make is a huge loss for us.

Republican members of Congress claim they're scared of their constituents and they have to please them. So lets make them scared of us. If they don't hold town Halls lets hold town halls for them. Let's go to their offices. Let's use twitter and social media to embarrass them and shine a huge spotlight on them and pressure the media to cover it.

[quote]“They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.”

What bothers me is that it seems like everyone else has been set up to take the fall and nothing ever seems to stick to Orange himself.

One of the things that average citizens can do over the next year is help to get Dems elected to the House and Senate.

Donate if you can. Volunteer your time. The 2018 midterms will be profoundly important to our democracy.

[quote]One of the things that average citizens can do over the next year is help to get Dems elected to the House and Senate.

This is the only thing that will make any difference. Republican lawmakers don't care if you flood their switchboards and offices -- many of them figure they're going to be swept away in a blue wave, so they're focused solely on enriching themselves and their future employers in the time they have left.

More Bannon quotes from the Guardian...

How do the Republicans in Congress continue to ignore investigating Trump’s financial ties to Russia now?

[html removed] “You realise where this is going,” he is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner … It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

Last month it was reported that federal prosecutors had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, the German financial institution that has lent hundreds of millions of dollars to the Kushner property empire. Bannon continues: “It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner shit. The Kushner shit is greasy. They’re going to go right through that. They’re going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.”

Scorning apparent White House insouciance, Bannon reaches for a hurricane metaphor: “They’re sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.”

The reason for the courtship of DL icon Lindsey.

What's important in that Guardian article quoting Bannon is watching how Bannon thinks. He criticizes the metting in Trump Tower with the Russians, because he would have handled it differently. Meet in a holiday Inn in New Hampshire. Make sure it's the lawyers meeting the Russians not you. Make sure you set up a dump with Breitbart to keep the "dirt on Hillary" away from mainstream and then they'll pick up on it. etc. he's smart. Cunning. No dubt in my mind he and the Mercers are planning something for 2018 in cooperation with the Trump Gang. The thing to keep in mind about the 2018 elections is that a lot of the people who ran the Trump operation are now compromised. Tell me who will work on behalf of these people. Well, you have Frank Luntz who is vermin. And you'll get who ever Ryan and McConnell and their guys can find.

Lindsey Graham as chair of Judiciary could fuck all this up. He is very unpredictable. He will take the temperature of the people back home and he will either keep supporting Trump or he'll go for the jugular. With guys like Al Franken out of the way, and in the House outspoken members like Conyers who was the Ranking Dem on Judiciary, some of the main people who help shape public opinion and draw attention to the shady dealings are now out of the picture. Graham is dangerous because he knows the parliamentary rules and how to use every gimmick at his disposal to make shit difficult.

r481....Dont give too much credence to that bullshit......remember, its the congressional republicans who are making that claim.....it doesnt mean its true. Its just more spin like all the recent dossier claims, Benghazi, emails, etc......straight up bullshit by the obstructionists in congress.

R512, you're right. What I get pissed off about is the weight, the credibility, and the time this crap is given. Maybe I'm paranoid because of what they did to Hillary and continue to try to do to her. But if they cover this they need to contextualize it. There are too many people out here who think the Trumpettes are a significant number of people instead of realizing they are fringe people. What it does is creates a bandwagon effect. There are people who are easily led and swayed by the bullshit they read in the enquirer and see on Faux. Laura Ingraham, Jeannine Pirro, Rush Limbaugh, etc are all having an effect and then the mainstream media treats this with a level of credibility it doesn't deserve. Instead they need to report it and shit all over it when they do.

Do you remember when Tony Soprano moved to remove himself from all decisions and everyone making them? He only talked business with family, meaning Christopher. Don’t ya get the feeling that’s what’s going on here?

of course it is r514

Why, Fiddle-Dee-Dee, R511! I am absolutely....unpredictable! I prefer "Lady of Mystery", of course, but it's my prerogative to do what I can to remain fascinating. You don't think a lady like me is ever going to have another moment in the sun like this, do you? I won't stay in the sun long, you know how I hate to have buttermilk applied to my skin.

I apologize in advance because I have no idea how to embed a Tweet. But reporter Peter Alexander just posted this:

SIREN: "Steve Bannon was certain that after the (July 2016 Trump Tower) meeting, Trump, Jr. had taken the participants to see his father," per excerpts from new Michael Wolff book, "Fire & Fury." Trump has claimed he was unaware any meeting with Russians took place.

This could be huge since they've been trying to protect trump by saying he had no idea this meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russians took place.

I wouldnt trust Bannon as far as I could throw him......and he has his hands in this as well.....hes trying to deflect attention away from himself, the Mercers and Breitbarts involvement.

"Steve Bannon was certain that after the (July 2016 Trump Tower) meeting, Trump, Jr. had taken the participants to see his father,"

R517 Help me with my memory here. Didn't Mueller interview the Russian lawyer from that meeting? (I recall somebody did). If so, then Mueller has known this detail for months. Or Flynn might have spilled it.

"I love it!" Don Junior, is a real nitwit, isn't he?

David Corn article from 3 months ago, now worth re-reading.

R518, I agree! But he might actually be telling the truth on this. really hard to tell. He's certifiably nuts so we have to take that into consideration too. After watching him strut the stage speaking in Alabama for Moore I've concluded that in a way we're really lucky Bannon is such an egomaniac and loves attention and loves to talk. He is loving all this so much, he gives away his game. Even his lies are telling.

R519 The last article I read about Veselnitskaya said she claimed Mueller had not contacted her, but she did submit written testimony to the Senate. I've been digging a little but haven't been able to find any info more recent than that.

Whatever Bannon is doing you shouldn't trust. He's not doing any of it without a purpose. Isn't his whole aim to tear the country down?

From the Bannon: Trump Tower thread:

Okay, this is really going out on a limb. (or maybe someone else has already posted this theory).

Funny how Bannon is the one Trump aide who has seemed to have no ties connected to Russia whatsoever. Wasn't at the June meeting, no private meetings on his own, (like Sessions, Manafort, etc.), and now he's releasing all this information. It sounds like something he has been a part of since 2014 or even before that. Working with the Russians and releasing all this information now might have been somebody's plan all along. (Bannon? Putin? The Mercers??).

Remember, Putin doesn't give a shit about Trump or even Trump remaining as POTUS. All Putin has wanted is to create tremendous divisiveness and kill U.S. democracy. To call Trump Putin's puppet is insulting to all other puppets!

The Wolff excerpts about Bannon are winning the news cycle today.

[quote]The Wolff excerpts about Bannon are winning the news cycle today.

But...but...what about my giant button? It's really big! Much bugger than KJU's! Everybody look at my button!

Concerning Bannon and the Russian info dating back so far, I just keep thinking of one line that Rachel pointed out on her show the other night from, I believe, the Fusion GPS op-ed stating that all along there was information coming from 'someone inside the Trump campaign'. Here's the quote:

[quote]But in a New York Times op-ed titled "The Republicans' Fake Investigations" that was published Tuesday night, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch said they do not believe the dossier triggered the FBI's investigation into Russian meddling into the 2016 election, adding that their "sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump (campaign)."

You just know that "including ONE" is driving Trump insanely paranoid right now.

r528...Papadopolous...but I wouldnt discount others as well. Remember, they had Paps in their sights and even arrested him and turned him states evidence, yet nobody knew for months.

So it sounds like Bannon has completely disassociated himself from Il Douche. Wonder what his end game is.

r530...they still talk.....Bannons main objective is to sow discontent and to place the blame on someone else.....remember, above all else, Bannon is beholden financially to the Mercer billions, and part of his responsibility is to make sure the Mercers remain squeaky clean when the dust settles.

I 'm half expecting Bannon to release a statement denying he ever said these things.

Tom Barrack, quoted in the book as calling Trump "stupid," has denied it.

Now, we know why Trump posted 16 tweets and that "bigger button" craziness yesterday! He knew this shit was coming out today.

R529, I think Papadopolous was the kind of guy to get drunk and reveal stuff to make himself look important but I don't think he was actively spying and purposefully doing anything against the campaign. I think Mueller would have held off on the indictment if that was the case and kept using him in that capacity.

I, too, am concerned that Bannon has planted all of this as "fake news".

Not Fake - Trump is firing back at him. Public cock fight!

I doubt it was Bannon as the "insider source" mentioned in the dossier. Don't look for some Watergate style "Deep Throat." The Trump people are wackos with no sense of discretion.Like Papadopoulis getting drunk and talking to the Australian. If there was anyone deliberately leaking it was likely someone like Kelly Ann who was a notorious press leaker for years.

Don't forget, Bannon was part or Strategy. He was working very closely with Cambridge Analytica, Facebook advisors, Wiki Leaks, etc. and...ta da.... Jared on analyzing voter behavior and which states they could manipulate voter outcomes. Jared was probably the figurehead who reported back to the top of the pyramid on that stuff.

To the degree Donnie, Jared & Paul Manafort were meeting with Russians representing hacked data, Cocaine Steve Bannon, who is also a paranoid alcoholic, may have felt they were encroaching on his stuff, and interfering, so now he's happy to throw them under the bus.

Just remember. Russians hacking our elections and affecting the outcome...and they did, ...flows directly into what Bannon and the Mercers were doing, and Bannon will be brazen enough to lie about it to everyone including the FBI. Even though the FBI very likely has hard evidence to dispute his claims . Right now for Bannon, the revenge portion is playing out.

This thread is becoming an excellent clearing house for information, an analysis!

[quote]I doubt it was Bannon as the "insider source" mentioned in the dossier.

It wasn't, but Bannon was a notorious leaker of info. Trump just released a statement accusing Bannon of being too cozy qith reporters and leakiing "false information."

He also says Bannon has "lost his mind."

Happy New Year!

I don't trust either of them to not be doing this as a distraction.

Gabriel Sherman @gabrielsherman

Bannon ally says Bannon plans to "keep his mouth shut and let the book speak for itself. They're clearly acting all unhinged."

I agree R537.

The Ignore feature makes it even better.

I have over 500 posters on Ignore.

It's a shame that editorial by The Fusion GPS guys wasn't able to get traction though.

As usual Maddow & O'Donnell will be the only journalists covering it.

R529 It wasn't Papadop because it was part of someone else's info that gave the FBI the information on GP.

But I do think Bannon could possibly have been the primary leaker to Wapo and the NYT since entering the WH. Again, part of the overall plan. First, Bannon was assigned to sidle up to Trump (along with Manafort and Flynn, all three possibly hired independently not knowing what the others were doing); Second, election is fixed so Trump wins election. N

Now it't the next step of the overall plan: turn against Trump and leak all the incriminating information to cause mass chaos!

[quote]I have over 500 posters on Ignore.

This seriously causes me to doubt the value of any of your posts r542.

R542, I was watching a bit of Fox the other day (don't ask) and one thing I've noticed is that they don't report anything critical of Trump. They just drill "Hillary", "emails", etc. A lot of folks who only watch Fox don't hear a lot of the same news others hear. They haven't heard of the Fusion GPS story but they do seem to think Hillary is going to be busted any day over her emails.

[quote]I don't trust either of them to not be doing this as a distraction

Bannon's calling treasonous that meeting those three Yahoos had with the Russian lawyer could hardly be interpreted as a distraction, when it's actually driving the point home.

R544, I have a lot of posters on ignore too. I ignore the WS shit-stirrers who show up, conspiracy trolls, Matt, Trumptards and other troublemakers. Just because some of us here avail ourselves of the "ignore" feature does not mean we are uninformed. We just like to have an uncluttered screen and skip people here who are trying to derail the threads.

Well, you are certainly and undeniably informed about the things you agree with.

R546 again I don't trust either of them. And sure, he's actually calling the others Treasonous, like Kushner, whom he hates. I just really wouldn't be surprised if it was an attempt to distract and deflect the heat from Drumpf and put the blame on someone else.

I didn't say either were good at it.

It's still been relatively troll free here....

Are they on Holiday? Has Daddy Put Put decided Drumpf is no longer interesting to him? Are they in the other threads and I'm just not seeing them?

David Corn: Didn't age well.

So it will come down to Miss Lindsey as the decider, heading soon the Senate Judiciary Committee?

Oh the flattery, charm offensives, drinkie-poo dates, mega contributors, special gifts, media begging......she'll be the Belle of the ball. And she WILL drag this out.

[quote]I was watching a bit of Fox the other day (don't ask) and one thing I've noticed is that they don't report anything critical of Trump. They just drill "Hillary", "emails", etc.

MSNBC has taken an interesting editorial stance - I've heard Joy Reid and Chris Hayes both repeatedly refer to Fox News as "Trump TV".

No, sorry, R458. I'm pretty well informed. The only people upset about others using "ignore" are trolls.

If anybody has twitter, tweet Graham and ask him why he flipped. Maybe it’s up to the public since the press won’t ask.

While you’re at it, tweet grassley and ask him to release the GPS (aka pee-pee) transcripts, already.

Does Trump read his twitter responses? Or just tweet and ignore the shit he gets back?

Well, r554, since the reply you refer to has NOTHING to do with what you are talking about, I stand by my fervent belief that you are ill informed.

[quote]Does Trump read his twitter responses?

According to Wolff's book, he doesn't read much of anything.

I thought Bannon was Trump's outside general who was going to rally the alt-militia's for when Mueller drops all the indictments. Bannon was going to command all the rural militias to keep Trump in power.

Rupert Murdoch, Wendi Deng, Vlad Putin. all interactive.

There's your FOX.

[quote]Does Trump read his twitter responses?

Doubtful. Doesn't he not even type his own tweets?

Paul Manafort has filed a lawsuit challenging the broad authority of special counsel Robert Mueller and alleging the Justice Department violated the law in appointing Mueller.

The legal action represents a new tack in a broader effort by supporters of the President to push back on the special counsel. Some Republicans have begun publicly calling for Mueller's probe to be shut down. Manafort's attorneys have echoed the President's criticism that Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election is pursuing crimes that never happened.

R555, great idea. That's exactly what we need to be doing. And not just Grassley and Graham. We need to be all over social media with the press and the Congress. Trump has yet to implement the RUssian Sanctions Congress passed and he signed into law too. WTF is Congress doing about th? Put fucking pressure on all their asses. and make sure the media is asked the same questions. Pressure the media, & pressure Congress.

Joy Reid and Chris Hayes aren't the only ones. Fox is being referred to frequently by many talking heads as State-sponsored TV, or Trump TV. They spend so much time on Hillary it's as if she were still President. Jimmy Kimmel went out on the street a while ago, and asked random people if Hillary Clinton ought to be impeached and the majority of them said yes! Go find it on You Tube.

It will be interesting to see how Jeff Sessions reacts to Manafort challenging the legitimacy of a Justice Department official probe. This lacks standing IMO and is just for P. It falls within the strategy of attempting to de-legitimizing Manafort. Clearly Manafort has the most to lose. He's a dead man walking if he double crosses his Russian buddies. The fact that he is taking u the Trump line and the Trump strategy is the clearest evidence to date of Trump cooperating with Russia to steal the fucking election.

I said "still President" referring to Hillary....if only....

What's funny is... weren't all these Rethugs praising Mueller when he was appointed and going on and on about what a good man he is?

What exactly did they think he was going to be doing?

r553.....if you recall, people were saying Trump was going to launch his own network if he lost the election.....he didnt need to with Fox and Murdoch in his pocket. Trump has repeatedly said Fox is the only truthful source out there......so we know the limits of his mental capabilities.

I recall that, R566, and I think he wanted to pocket the election 'loser' money that he's allowed, open that network and be the star he thinks he is. All while controlling his 'public' image, now in shambles. Oh what fun! Mueller needs to hurry up.

Does Manafort wear a really bad piece?

R557, why are trying to harass people who are on your side?

North Korea is a huge stunt, Kim and Trump are in on it, using China as a go between. They are all in on this huge diversion stunt.

I suspect it's an off shade of shoe polish, r468.

Bannon is turning on Trump because the wanna-be oligarchs (the Mercers, et al) have gotten their tax bill.

Notice that Manafort doesn't deny he committed crimes... just that they weren't within the scope Mueller was tasked with!

Link to new thread for when this one gets filled up soon.

It's almost funny to think that Manafort's association with Russian Mob figures and money laundering crimes don't play into the whole probe. Ever heard of extortion, blackmail and kompromat? I mean really, how stupid do they think we are?

Special counsels have a lot of leeway. Manafort is grasping, desperate, and plastic as hell.

R575 All the Trumpies have really stupid lawyers. It's not that they can't afford better ones, but better lawyers don't want to be tainted by them.

Since it's just about time, I have made a Thread and Link for Part 8:

Treachery, Lechery, Miss Graham's Bitchery: The Mueller Investigation, Part 8

R578 There's already a Part 8 created by R574 !

Oh no, okay, I will repost it for part 9 or part 10,

In humble bitchery, I am, yours faithfully,

No use the link at R574. The one at R578 doesn't follow the proper naming convention!

I already disavowed the R578 link as the creator, R581, but considering I was the original author of the original thread number 1 and also thread number 2, I reckon I can use any naming convention I want, sugarlips.

Keep telling yourself that. You've been overthrown. The people have spoken!

R583, as soon as I saw that someone else made a thread at %74 and I had missed it, I immediately posted here and on my thread to ignore MY thread. I am arguing that we SHOULDN'T use my thread because I don't want to dilute the posting. Why are you trying to stir up rancor where none was intended. Bizarre. Are you a troll?

(P.S. I am the author of threads 1 and 2, and treachery means the same thing as treason, so it certainly follows the naming convention regardless. )

[quote]Trump just released a statement accusing Bannon of being too cozy qith reporters and leakiing "false information." He also says Bannon has "lost his mind."

Girls! Girls! You're BOTH crazy!

Sweetheart at R584 it's not that serious. I was joking with you.

I heard that in Bannon's book he makes criticisms against everyone, including Spicer.... and makes comments about his appearance.

HAHAHAHA... WHAT???

Bannon can't talk about looks, R587, yes, but he does know from shit what the fuck was going on in that circus. It's about the ONLY thing I give him credit for.

When shit hits the fan, loyalties falter.

I can't decide if he's trying to save himself or just trying to tear everything down.

R219 you sound delicate. Maybe get some help.

Is Trump losing his mind more and more these days or has it been the same, steady pace?

Bannon twitter an interesting tweet supporting Trump and signing it #MAGA. He isn't attacking trump. So I think in his mind going after the kids he's separating them from Trump. Not because he t hinks Trump is his buddy, but because Bannon needs to appear to have a constituency to appeal to and the only one he has is Trump's. The GOP elected officials and party regulars hate him. Trump will not back down. Bannon can act as conciliatory as he wants, it won't matter. If trump keeps attacking him he won't be able to get a cup of coffee at a KKK rally. What's important about Bannon's quotes calling the actions of Manafort and Jared and Donnie treasonous s that he said it publicly and there's like no way he can go home again.

Ok, R586, OK -- it's just that Trump's nuclear threats have me frazzled :)

Link to new thread to continue the conversation:

[quote]I heard that in Bannon's book he makes criticisms against everyone, including Spicer.

It's not Bannon's book, Bannon is quoted in a book written by Michael Wolff. And it's not Bannon that is described as criticizing appearances, it's Trump.

Fat hips sink ships......

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