Michael Jackson' Fetish for Enemas, Tampons & Animal abuse

“Jackson’s Private Zoo"

On Saturday morning, Jordie was eager to play and have fun. Today, though, he would see a side of Jackson that he had not expected.

Jackson took Jordie, Brett and their sisters to see the animals in his private zoo. Jordie wanted to see the lion that Jackson called “Kimba.” Upon arriving at the lion’s cage, Jordie saw the poor condition he was in, not to mention the filth in which he lived. The security guards were watching the host and his guests from nearby, and saw the lion frighten the children when he roared at them.

“Michael saw that Brett, who was very timid, was scared,” recalled Abdul and other security guards who were present. “Michael then shouted at the lion, ‘You’re going to pay for scaring my boy [Brett].’ At Michael’s request, the children went to get buckets which were used for the animals’ food, and filled them with stones. All of them, especially Michael, began to stone Kimba, who began bleeding.

Brett asked Michael not to do it anymore, saying that he was fine, but Michael continued throwing stones with Jordie. The poor lion didn’t know where to hide.” Jackson’s cruelty towards his own animal did not end there. To impress Brett and his guests, Jackson told the children to go get fireworks and firecrackers from the house.

“It was incredible to see Michael Jackson, who says he is a protector of animals, throwing lit firecrackers and small bottle rockets at Kimba,” Abdul recalled. “We were afraid the roof of the animal cage would catch fire, so we advised the fire department by radio to be prepared in case something happened.”

At the end of Jackson’s game with his little friends, the security guards went to check on the poor animal. Since there was neither a veterinarian nor a caretaker, the guards, without any kind of training, were now in charge of attending to the animals. Sometime before, an employee had felt pity for the animals and anonymously notified the authorities.

“When the authorities arrived they found a lot of infractions and negligence in the zoo,” Abdul continued. “But they did not find Kimba. How were they going to find him if we were ordered to put poor Kimba in a truck and leave the ranch, and return when the authorities had left? The reason we took the lion off the ranch was because Michael didn’t have a legal permit to have the lion on his property, much less in the horrid conditions he was in.”

Kimba’s conditions are not unique in Jackson’s zoo. According to his own animal trainer, Bob Dunne, “the majority of Jackson’s animals are in poor condition. Michael is not interested in animals. He doesn’t set aside funds to hire veterinarians or expert zoo keepers.”

These statements were echoed by Melanie Bagnall. “Why have animals and not take care of them? Simply because the children like them.”

Another example of Jackson’s indifference to the animals was observed by Abdul. “One of the giraffes died from the lack of care it received. They didn’t have shade and they didn’t receive any attention, which the authorities themselves had noted in their report.

We notified Michael and he said that if we advised the authorities they would bring charges against him upon seeing what had happened. So he ordered us to bury it on the ranch. We knew it was illegal.

The painful thing was to see the poor giraffe have chains put around its neck to drag it by truck to the burial place. We all stopped working to see this cruel act. They dragged it over the whole ranch, its skin scraping off against the earth and jagged sticks that it passed over.”

Michael took us to the chimpanzee cage,” Jordie said. “Then he grabbed between his legs and called upon the monkeys to do the same. He told me they were trained. The chimpanzees held their pen**es and began to play with their pen**es in front of us. My little sister didn’t understand what was happening, so I got her out of there. For Michael, it was fun and he told us to watch.”

Jackson’s security guards were witnesses to the fact that the children didn’t find it very amusing to watch the chimpanzees play with themselves in front of them.

“Some of the kids laughed at first, but wanted to go when they continued doing it,” said Ralph Chacon. “Michael asked them not to go and asked them if they knew what the animals were doing. The kids just shrugged their shoulders without knowing what was happening. We couldn’t do anything.”

“As the investigation and the battle in the press intensified, the employees at the Neverland ranch faced a dilemma. Were they going to cooperate with the authorities and tell the truth, or were they going to remain loyal to Jackson. As the employees did not know how the investigation would go, they didn’t know which road to take.

They were used to covering up for Jackson. Once the gardener found a small skeleton buried at Jackson’s ranch, and showed it to Kassim Abdul. “It looked like a baby,” commented Abdul. “There were small bones. But nobody at the ranch could tell whether it was a baby or whether it was a small dog, as someone suggested.

“My superiors told me that it was just a dog and I shouldn’t say anything to the authorities.They said that I shouldn’t even mention it again to the other employees.” Nobody has spoken of it again, nor reported it to the authorities,” said Abdul.

The LeMarques had troubling stories to tell, too. They were also quoted talking about all of Jackson’s “special friends”—all boys under the age of thirteen. They were the first to provide disturbing details of the relationship between their employer and the boy actor Macaulay Culkin.

As the LeMarques’ story went, Neverland was like at wenty-four-hour convenience store—it never closed. As the live-in chef and maid, the LeMarques were never really off duty, either.

Philippe said that during one of Macaulay Culkin’s visits, at two o’clock in the morning, Michael Jackson had telephoned him. “Philippe,would you please bring me some french fries?” He scrambled out of bed to fulfill his employer’s wishes. When the fries were ready, Philippe said, he grabbed a two-way radio, called security, and using Jackson’s code name, asked,“Where is Blue Fox?” “They say, ‘Oh, he’s in the arcade.’

"The arcade has two entrances. There’s a main entrance,then there’s the patio overlooking the tennis courts. The French door was open,but I went around to the other entrance and entered through there.

That’s when I saw Michael groping the kid. He did not see me, so I stopped and quietly tiptoed back and reentered through the other door.” Macaulay, according to LeMarque, continued to play a pinball or video machine as if nothing was happening."

Stella LeMarque spoke about an Australian boy who was groped by Jackson as his mother was sitting nearby in the Neverland theater.

However,she did not reveal the boy’s identity. “In the cinema, he did the same thing.And the mother was two or three rows in the front. They were like lovers.That’s not normal.”

“The theater is like a regular theater,” Philippe added.“He’s got seventy seats.” “And behind the wall he has two bedrooms,” Stella said. “Sometimes he would be [in] there with the kids. I wanted to take a picture of the bedrooms, but I couldn’t.”

“[In those rooms] he could watch porn movies [with the kids].From seven o’clock at night until eight the next morning, nine in the morning,they are still up playing around,” Philippe said.

The LeMarques also spoke of watching another boy become too mature for Jackson and being literally banished from the ranch (James Safechuck).

And a mother from Switzerland whom they said they once found crying. She reportedly asked Stella, “Why does Michael always want to be with my son to sleep? Why is it I have four other children and why doesn’t he wantto spend time with them if he loves all children?”

Eww

Are you the one posting all this over on Lipstick Alley? Lol

R5 I think there are posters who post things from Lipstick alley. It happened before.

It's all lies.

The white people Michael surrounded himself with are his biggest backstabbers.

Lipstick Alley, the crazy site full with Jacko' stans?!

R7 LAMO

You think Mac has covered all this up and convinced himself it never happened?

[quote]Some of the kids laughed at first, but wanted to go when they continued doing it

The story of my life.

Yes r10. I think Mac was paid off. I also think Corey Feldman got some hush cash although I doubt he was abused. Corey was already damaged goods, wise for his years, and Jacko probably figured he'd be too feisty. So he used him over the years as the "he never touched ME so he can't be a pedo" voice to defend him.

OP' picture of Jacko is brutal!

Someone posted this same thread on Lipstick Alley few hours ago. The stans reported it and it got moved to the back alley

From the book

It sounds like he was a sociopath.

He's bad. You know it.

Brett Ratner went on Jimmy Kimmel a few years ago laughing about how he hung out with MJ one night, and MJ threw water balloons at a homeless man walking along the side of the road as they passed in the stretch limo. Assholes.

Freak.

Why didn't Michael wear Depends to contain his diarrhea? And given how many Hollywood people are having colonic irrigation on a regular basis, what's 'strange' about Michael's penchant for regular enemas?

I think Michael was sexually abused as a child, probably for most of his childhood, and then he continued the cycle as an adult. He was really sick.

He was transitioning . he saw his asshole as a vagina and he wore tampons as a result. All of you are so envious of him becoming a white woman.

Disgusting, but all too believable.

Particularly the animal neglect and cruelty. He only had the animals to lure children to Neverland, of course he wouldn't have any concern for their welfare.

R3 Interesting and Believable. This was wrote in 1997, and the maids said they witnessed Macaulay Culkin and Wade Robson (The Australian boy) being abused. This was in 1997 and Wade Robson came out with the allegation in 2013. They also mentioned James Safechuck (the Pepsi Kid) being banished from Neverland when he became old for Jacko. James said the same thing in his accusation in 2014.

I wonder when Macaulay will come out with the truth or most probably he will never will!

What's this about a maid/assistant seeing a $1mil check made out to Safechuck's father? I wonder how many parents knew/suspected that their kid was being abused but took hush money while it continued?

I can't remember where I read it, but I read how there were people in charge of cleaning up Jackson's hotel rooms when he was on tour etc. They were always finding shit-covered sheets and clothes in the room. Also that there were words and pictures drawn with shit on the sheets sometimes too. And also this was occurring when the boys were staying in the hotel room with him. I think jackson had a scat fetish and was doing enemas to access the shit.

To clarify, by people in charge I mean staff of Jackson's, who cleaned up the rooms so that hotel staff would not know about the shit Jackson did in there (pun intended).

Jackson may have been on heavy-duty opiates by then as well, which cause horrible chronic constipation. Maybe he needed a daily enema or two to keep from exploding. Plus, the eating disorder, some people with eating disorder are desperate to get anything they digest out as soon as possible.

And he probably liked ass play, remember all those old rumors about his ass being stretched out because he liked huge dildos?

R25 LOL

Didn't Janet, Miss Jackson, if you're nasty, admit to losing weight via coffee enemas? This family has a thing for high colonics.

About the enemas-I have a hiatel hernia and need to do them often. There is nothing "pleasurable" about an enema, but then again we are talking about Jacko.

I remember hearing that Joe Jackson pimped MJ out to "fans" when he was very young. There also was a rumor going around that he was on female hormones to maintain his voice. BITD they gave everyone WAY too much estrogen. So it's no wonder he was such a total mess.

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Too gross for words.

Why all the pooping? Did he have Crohns?

Damn, this was an interesting thread. I don't ever remember reading about this in 1997. You would think this book would have gotten more press. Whatever happened to Wade Robin's lawsuit.

R38 Jacko banished the book, Jacko people and his crazy stans threatened the author with death threats.

Wade Robson' trial will be in March 2018 but i believe he will go Nowhere with it.

Some parts of the book :

April 8, 1993 Home Entertainment Jackson-Style

[Following an earlier scene in which Michael makes a bunch of kids watch him feed live rabbits to his snakes and a far earlier scene in which Michael welcomes a group of kids to his ranch by having them stone his lion until it passes out, then throw lit fireworks at its bleeding carcass to wake it up]

That wasn’t the only ‘show’ Jackson presented for his young visitors.The children would soon see something they would not forget. Jordie again takes up the story:

‘Michael took us to the chimpanzee cage. Then he grabbed between his legs and called upon the monkeys to do the same. He told me they were trained. The chimpanzees held their penises and began to play with their penises in front of us. My little sister didn’t understand what was happening, so I got her out of there. For Michael, it was fun and he told us to watch.’

May 8, 1993 Privacy in Monaco

[In a hotel in Monte Carlo, where Michael’s supposed to get some sort of music award.]

‘While I was taking off my shirt, Michael took me in his arms and began to kiss me. Michael finished taking off my shirt, and then took off my pants. When I was left in only my underwear, he pulled them down and took them off with his teeth. He looked at my penis and told me that it was very large for my age. Then he took off his clothes, and I noticed that he had very little pubic hair, and that his penis was circumcised.’ Jordie burst out in laughter, saying to Jackson, ‘You look like a cow! You look like a cow!’ He was referring to Jackson’s testicles, which were covered with pink and brown stains which made them look like those of a cow: ‘But Michael didn’t get mad. He told me that the creams he was using had discolored his skin. “But on your balls?” I said, and he just laughed.

June 4, 1993 ’The Staff Knew

[Neverland security director Kassim] Abdul witnessed other peculiar behavior. He saw Jordie and Jackson drinking Coca Cola out of baby bottles. ‘One of the things that I never understood was why Michael and Jordie drank Coca Cola out of baby bottles. It made me laugh, but it was serious to them and they didn’t do it jokingly. We employees knew to serve them drinks in these bottles when they asked us for a drink.’

Here is the ‘graphic depiction’ of Michael Jackson’s dink Jordie made for the cops. In case it’s not clear, the accompanying text reads ‘Cow-blotchy-pink/brown, not white but pink’ ‘Body Oil Stink’ and, connected by an arrow, ‘Brown patern on ass, left glut [sic].’

Also from the book, the picture 13-year-old Jordie supposedly drew for his psychiatrist to explain how he was feeling after the trial.

The abuse of animals shows the level of his sociapathy which I am certain could manifest itself into sexual abuse of children very easily. He claimed he would "rather slash his own wrists than harm a child" however, I am sure he also didn't consider fondling an eight year old boy's penis "harming" a child.

That is absolutely chilling R42. Is that supposed to be Michael on top of the roof (with the dark face) and Jordie having been pushed off the roof by Michael? Or is that Jordie on top of the roof yelling "no"...if so, who did Michael push off the roof? Or maybe it all means something else entirely. That poor kid, he was probably so messed up over it all.

Also, what did he mean by "body oil stink"?

And he was putting skin whitening cream on his balls? Jesus...

What a repugnant human being he was.

I don't think that Macauley Culkin will ever talk about any abuse if there was any. Look how the Australian dancer was treated by some in the media and nearly all of Jackson's many Stans.

Everyone would say that he should have told the truth earlier and the recrimination would be overwhelming. I think he will take the truth to the grave.

Jacko had a sick fixation on shit aka "doo doo" as he liked to call it.

Remember when he was re-arrested the second time? He complained that his holding cell walls had been smeared completely down in doo doo.

Someone else also stated that his greatest desire was to be stripped naked and drug through the streets with people flinging poo on him. I find this beliveable because it plays into his victim mentality.

Sorry, it wasn't a holding cell...it was a restroom.

"Does it smell good enough for you in there?"

Just seeing the decline of Macauley Culkin from a bright young kid into a burnt out shell of a human being is quite telling as far as the effect Michael Jackson had on him. How should a person feel knowing one of the most beloved stars in our lifetime molested them with their parent's blessing? His mind got fucked even worse than his once tender little butthole.

I like how they had to hide the Harry Potter cast from him. Apparently when he first spotted a pic of DanRad as Potter he was sporting an erection and asking when he could meet the cast.

A true monster. Too bad the animals in his zoo didn't maul him to death and chomp down on him Sebastian Venable style.

I once read on a gossip website that when MJ met Mac, he told him he'd give him a million dollars to sit on his face.

So was MJ a top? It feels gross asking given the context. I wonder if we will ever know what his deal was. In the 80s people thought he was a gay man. Then in the 90s he was sort of pretty for a short while and people thought he was transitioning/Trans. Anyone have any insight?

R52, I think Jackson was into oral, and hand jobs, kissing, etc. I also think that he claims that he never molested a boy, because he didn't penetrate them. I might be wrong, but that's what I think.

I am so happy that this man is dead. I wish that he had been incarcerated, but either way, he was not long for this world. He was an extremely sick individual and he was definitely a sociopath. I am sickened to read about his abuse of animals, and I'm even more sickened by the fact that his staff knew how depraved this man was, and never went to the authorities.

It's hard to believe one person can contain so much weirdness and sickness. Unfortunately, he had the money and the icon status so he could do whatever the fuck he wanted.

Also, how on earth could he do that last gig when he was shitting involuntarily? Or would he have it sewn up just for the show? I'm glad he died as more money would only continue the abuse of underage boys.

Reading this thread I was about to say that some of you missed the "When did you know michael jackson was a pedophile?" threads but I can't find them now, have those threads been deleted? I know there were 2/3 of those too...

he liked to tuck them into bed with milk and cookies. It was innocent. lol.

R55 I remember them too well. They are not deleted, here's part one

R55 Part 2

Do you forget the breaking news last year, it mentioned animal torture

Police Report: Michael Jackson stocked up on gruesome Pornography, Animal Torture

"Police reports from 2003 that are finally shown reveal that the late Michael Jackson had a collection of gruesome pornography and violent images, including “animal torture, S&M, and gore” at his Neverland Ranch.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department discovered this material in November 2003, when Jackson was investigated for child sexual abuse. He had in his possession photos and videos of both children and adults in “perverted positions,” as well as “drugs to treat sex addiction, with multiple prescriptions written by a variety of physicians for people close to the star.”

The erotic images were allegedly used to arouse the young boys Jackson entertained at Neverland. One private investigator reported that the pop star even had “sexy” underwear shots of his nephews, members of the band 3T.

You think that's bad enough? It gets worse. A source’s claim that Jackson also housed “sexually explicit images of animal sacrifice...[and] shocking images of child torture.”

Jackson was charged with child molestation in 2003, although he was later acquitted in 2005. He paid roughly $200 million in “hush money” to at least 20 different individuals. Former Santa Barbara Senior Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen, who was involved in Jackson’s prosecution, asserts, “There’s not much question in my mind that Michael was guilty of child molestation.”

From the book, Jordan Chandler bedroom

From the book, Photo of Jordan Chandler taken by Jacko

From the book, Michael Jackson in his Pajama (sitting on Jordan' bed ) photo taken by Jordan Chandler

From the book, Michael with his assistant Norma something, who used to pimp young boys for him. She had totally disappeared from Jacko' life after 1993 scandal.

From the book, Jordan had bullet proof vest and loaded shotgun in his house in preparation to the violent and death threats made by Jacko stans after 1993 scandal

With all his money and fame and this is how he lived his life. Pathetic. Imagine what he could have done to make the world better if he weren't a psycho.

Why did the black community take him back after his death? I think by the 90s they had disowned him due to his weirdness. Now he's considered a genius and misunderstood and, probably, a victim of The Man.

There was a blind item many years before his death about how he checked into a hotel with a group of young boys in tow. They had some kind of party in his room. The blind said the cleaning staff arrived to find food all over the floor, the walls, you name it - they had been throwing food, and there was shit all over the sheets. They had to have the mattress incinerated. I couldn't believe it at the time, now I do.

I just cannot understand why these parents allowed this to go on. I understand that in the end, it was all about money, and Jackson was paying all of these people off, but my god! Where is that instinct to protect one's child??? I treat my pets better than these parents, and I make sure that they are all accounted for, especially if rain and thunderstorms are in the weather report. I'm not trying to brag, but I really do go to great lengths to make sure that my pets are always happy, safe and sound. I do not have kids, so this is as close as it gets for me, other than my 2 nieces and 1 nephew. And even though I live in a very safe neighborhood, I watch them when they play outdoors, and keep an eye on them consistently.

I can't imagine allowing a grown man to sleep and share a bed with my children. I don't see how Cartier watches, or a diamond ring would somehow change my mind. If Jordy's mother initially objected to this arrangement, it is because she knew that Jackson was a pedo, and she knew that her son would be put in a dangerous situation! How the fuck does a watch or any other piece of jewelry change that outcome, other than now making the parent complicit?

These parents should have gone to the authorities as soon as Jackson started begging and cajoling for the fucking sleepovers with their kids.

Didn't Jackson also do this to a child with cancer, and was allegedly paying for the child's treatments?

I can't believe that one of these parents didn't shoot Jackson right between the eyes once they knew that he had molested their child. And this guy got away with it for YEARS with each child. And this is just what we know about. Surely he had kids brought to him while he lived in the Middle East. Who knows what went on there, being that he was into images of tortured animals and children.

What I don't understand is this: isn't it illegal to possess images off child abuse and animal torture? Why was he not charged with those crimes?

Money. His lawyers probably threatened to destroy the parents. Take the money or we'll wreck you. Those parents didn't have the money to fight back.

I actually believe all of this.

There is no mystery to why Jackson was enabled to abuse. He was globally famous. He was rich. It blinds people. The star has a semi-divine status in our culture. Exposure to the famous corrupts people, when the star is corrupt. It makes you want to vomit to realise these parents traded their children for a gold bangle. But that is what many people are like - venal, greedy, cowardly, capable of deceiving themselves when it suits them.

He groomed the parents as much as the victims. Pedophiles commonly target single mothers. They use their techniques on the woman to charm them, to assure them they are harmless, 'great with kids', looking for a family to call their own etc - Jackson's behaviour was pretty textbook in that respect, it was just his freakish appearance and the trappings of his fame that sets him apart from any other sex offender of his type.

[quote]I can't imagine allowing a grown man to sleep and share a bed with my children. I don't see how Cartier watches, or a diamond ring would somehow change my mind.

How about $25 million then?

R73, like I said, I don't have children. But I can tell you right now that if some asshole came anywhere near a child of mine, I'd kill him before he got a chance to grab his checkbook.

I was beaten regularly as a child by my crazy mother. I'm quite certain that 25 million reasons would not make it all better.

The animal torture bothers me as much as the child abuse.

I can see how some parents opted to take the money and run instead of dealing with Jackson and his army. Fighting someone like Michael Jackson means exposing yourself and your family to the public. Since there's no way those parents didn't know something was off at some point, it also means exposing themselves as bad parents. The Chandlers were an example of what happens to someone who speaks out - they got rich but they were destroyed in the process.

It all rings so true to me. Always has. What is with his whacked out fans?

I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan. If I ever heard that Eddie Vedder was doing what Jackson was doing, and had only 1/3rd of the evident Jackson had against him, I could never listen to another one of his songs again. Is it because they are black, they set up an "us vs. them" mentality like they did with OJ?

R57 / R58 Thank you! I don't know what happened I tried multiple keywords but nothing came up, I better bookmark those lol

That old thread was a good and interesting one, R58.

R77, what's interesting about this is that it's not really the black community who is rallying around Jackson. As far as I can tell, they actually believed that it was highly probable that Jackson was into boys.

The fans who are consistently defending him our his fans from Europe, South America, etc. Especially his European fans. They're as hardcore as it gets in their idolatry of Jackson.

Hey, my parents allowed someone to molest me for years, for free! Nobody paid them millions, they just thought that paying attention to me was just too much trouble.

So really, it's no mystery why the parents allowed him to get away with the kiddie-diddling. Some were just starstruck dumbasses, some were just indifferent to the kids' welfare, and I bet you that some were absolutely after the hush money. The physical capacity to reproduce doesn't mean there's any moral compass there, or the ability to care for others, or the ability so support the kids you've bred without making horrific compromises.

^Agree. My dad's best friend messed with me when I was very little and my dad would NEVER believe it. Complete denial. No money involved. To believe it he'd have to look at himself and ask how he missed it. I don't think he wanted to do that. Some people would rather live in denial than question their staunch certainty in themselves.

He liked torture porn, scat and abusing animals, too?

I can't.

Is the photo in OP' post of a human being?!

[quote]R75: The animal torture bothers me as much as the child abuse.

If anyone needs an example of how bad things have gotten for humanity, simply consider this poster's sense of balance and morality.

How does that hamburger taste and how nice do your leather shoes look, R75? Hypocrite.

These MJ threads remind me of this crazy thread. One of the creepiest on the DL.

R84 How about this one?

R68/R74 needs help that the DL can't give her/him. So naturally we're provided unwanted information on a person's desire to kill people over nonexistent children being subjected to nonexistent abuse just so the poster can get those violent fantasies out in the name of nonexistent humanity.

R88And then we're made to wade through posts like yours, fillwd with nonexistent intelligence.

^R88 *filled

What doesn't make sense to me is all of this behaviour on Michael Jackson's part are hallmarks of a serial killer. Yet he had children that he took care of (yes he had nannies and what not) but surely he would have displayed some "off" type of behaviour? I don't know if I agree with any of this (not a MJ fan/sychophant). Where is the evidence, I googles "Sheryl Crow Michael Jackson animal abuse" thinking something would pop up and hasn't.

So the boy Jordan Chandler who had accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse...is missing. His father committed suicide. However the late Carrie Fisher had this to say about Evan Chandler (Jordan Chandlers son):----------- In her autobiographical book Shockaholic, Carrie Fisher claims that Chandler was her dentist, and was known as the "dentist to the stars," happily accommodating questionable requests by the famous in exchange for being associated with them. In the late 1980s, addict Fisher would get unnecessary dental surgery just to obtain morphine from him. Fisher claimed Chandler could be persuaded via financial incentives or "favors" to come to a patient's house to administer drugs. His license plate read "SLEEP MD". In the book, Fisher refers to Chandler as "strange", referring to him as "this freak", saying Chandler told her in the privacy of a dental visit that "My son is VERY (unsettling smile, raised eyebrows, maybe even a lewd wink) good looking...It was grotesque.

What creeps me the fuck out is that they found the remains of a baby or small animal buried at Neverland and never reported it.

This coupled with his confirmed fetishes (child porn, torture porn, animal sacrifice porn - wtf is that?) should've ended all speculation.

R92 Carrie Fisher was one of Jacko' celebrity friends who wanted to believe that Jacko was just an innocent man-child.

Jordan Chandler parents were fame/money hungery but this doesn't negate the fact that their son was molested by serial pedophile Jacko

R92 It is becoming evident that rich people are the problem.

By the way...this book is on Amazon....so how is it "banished"? Also OP and others...you sat there and read that sick shit? Pumping your subconscious minds with such vile shit?

R96 Is everyone who is interested in finding out the sick truth behind these psychotic bastards deserving of your contempt?

Are you a pedophile?

Jacko Stan invaded the thread. Please go back to Lipstick alley or whatever shithole you came from

MICHAEL DID SUE...In October 1997, a legal action to assess the amount of "presumed and punitive damages" to be paid to Michael Jackson by Victor Gutierrez was delayed due to Gutierrez filing for bankruptcy. Mr. Jackson's lawyers stated that the assessment of such damages would be determined and that Gutierrez would not be protected indefinitely by his action.

On April 9, 1998 Michael Jackson won the slander suit against free-lance writer Victor Gutierrez. A Los Angeles jury ordered Victor Gutierrez to pay Michael Jackson $2.7 million for failing to prove the existence of a videotape that allegedly showed Michael in an inappropriate conduct with a young boy.

R98 don't know if you mean me.....Lipstick alley lol....did you make that one up yourself? Not a fan (cuz no), my point was to illustrate you shouldn't take things for face value without doing research. I pointed out what Carrie Fisher said about the man (Jordan's dad) said to her and what a sick freak he was. It's not to defend Michael Jackson (only idiots hold on to an "image" of how great someone is and will defend it with their lives-see Cosby fans/MJ fans no matter what, sad). Call me a stan/frau/cunt/ whatever....but Guiterrez was sued.

R100 And Michael Jackson was a pedophile.

R92 Thanks for letting me know that, couldn't find pics Carrie with Jackson so thank you once again. See people, I'm not some fuck head Jacko fan....but if he was displaying hallmarks that serial killers display money or not...why wouldn't anyone stop this? Seriously, I don't care who you are how much money you have...we ALL know once you start torturing animals....well, humans aren't too far behind. Not being nasty R92, so once again thank you.

The Jacko Stan is the same one talking and thanking him/herself! LAMO

R92 R96 R99 R100 R102 is the same Jacko' stan and he is thanking himself!

Jacko's toilet, that's when he made it there.

Hey R91 I hope you see this post. Link to Sheryl talking about Michael's treatment of Bubbles.

Sick bastard. I've erased his music from my memory.

MJ was an uneducated idiot on one hand. But he was pretty clever about managing his "seduction" of families and little boys. Remember coming out of the 80s he had a reputation as a philanthropist best friend to sick or poor children. He was shaling hands and hanging out with the Reagans. He fooled a lot of people who mistook his seeming childlike behavior as a side effect from his admittedly difficult childhood. Jacko fooled the general public first and that set the context for him luring gullible families to Neverland and slowly gaining access to their sons. He was a master manipulator despite not being book smart. People underestimated him until the Chandler case broke and then people slowly put two and two together. Btw: if you havent seen "Living with Michael Jackson" recently, it's on Youtube. Besides his child and animal abuse this was one wierd dude. How many 45 years climb up a tree and prefer that to "making love" (to an adult).

Too bad Tennessee Williams is no longer with us. He could have written a helluva play about this whole sordid business.

With childlike innocence, Jordie tells how he wandered into Jackson's bedroom at his fabled Neverland ranch and found a group of young boys playing a slot machine that paid out $100 bills...naked.

Jackson assured him it was to make sure no one could cheat by hiding trick devices in their clothes. He also made sure the boys knew they should never tell anyone else about the game.

R110 Wait, is that true?

WTF R110 please tell us you're kidding!

A lot of this sounds like Enquirer nonsense. The stories sound more and more elaborate.

R111 R112 Yes, this is true, I think some staff of Neverland witnessed that

R113 Because Jacko' life was scandalous and perverted

Jacko made kids strip to play slot machines

23 November, 1999

JACKO lured boys into his room with a slot machine that dished out 100-dollar bills—but insisted they strip naked to play.

The revelation comes from investigator and author Victor Gutierrez, who has interviewed Neverland staff and the family of Jordy Chandler—the boy at the center of the 1993 abuse allegations.

He tells of a day in March 1993 when Jacko took Jordy and two other boys to the big-money game only "special friends" could play."But the star insisted there were two important rules," said Gutierrez.

"The game had to be played in the nude. And anyone who played was forbidden to tell anyone."

Gutierrez insists that although Jackson wanted to be portrayed as a defender of children he was really a predatory pedophile.

"And his interest is limited to handsome boys between seven and 13, always white, Latino or Asian," he adds.

The information coming out about this creep just gets worse and worse. JFC. What a monster.

So what was going on with Michael's insides? The pic at r105 looks like Michael had Crohn's Disease, and/or other digestive illnesses due to his intake of opiates, and a probable heavy use of laxatives and enemas to counter the effects of opiates.

I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did.

I remember when MJ was arrested the first time my journalist flatmate came home from a night shift and announced it. Then he asked what I thought it might be for. Without any hesitation I said it had to be either kiddy fiddling or bizarre human experiments. Even back in 1993 it was obvious Jackson was a creep.

R108 Michael may have been uneducated & a pervert pedophile, but he was no idiot.

Michael Jackson used to cut off dog tails and use them as butt plugs. He used to chop off the heads of those same dogs, in front of the boys, and drink the blood right from the necks, like they were big dog shaped cups. Then he would run though the mansion barking & yelling "I'm barking mad!"

This is unequivocally true, because one of the help said they saw it.

r91 I'm not buying the animal abuse part. I do believe he molested kids but I do not believe in any way shape or form he abused animals.

His test tube babies all have great things to say about him. They are all relatively normal kids and say he was a good kind father. Unless he had a complete split personality that he was able to keep from his kids, I say a lot of the most gruesome stories are false.

So r121 why didn't he molest his two sons?

I don't know 122.

R122 he would've gotten around to it, but died before they hit the magic age.

Doesn't add up. He had easy access to his test tube sons, they were his to do with as he pleased, and they WERE the right age, contrary to what r124 says, and yet they've never accused him even after all these years. Odd.

I don't think he molested them all, just the poor kids who were nobodies to him and he could easily pay off. I don't think he molested Macauley or other famous kids, he was very smart and knew he would need someone to stick up for him in case a nobody kid made allegations.

Jackson is guilty. Anyone who can hurt little children is certainly capable of torturing animals. The apologists for this inhuman monster make me sick.

R125 The fact he was a paedophile doesn't automatically mean he would have tried to have sex with his own children. People who aren't paedophiles manage to not have sex with their adult children all the time.

This is all so vile. Sadly believable, though.

2 questions: why is sooooo little known about Joe Jackson? That asshole fathered this guy and turned him into what he was.

Lisa marie presley said she and Michael Jackson had a normal marriage in every sense of the word. WTF was going on with HER ?!?!?

Joe Jackson looks like a demon. Literally. .

Bitch be crazy

Michael Jackson did everything he could to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for decades, including marrying women and "having" children. He wanted to be seen as a family man, a loving father "who would NEVER do something like that!". If you closely look at his life, his entire life revolved around wooing young boys and their parents, and then subsequently keeping it all hushed up. After so many decades, the dam was ready to burst and there weren't going to be enough funds to keep paying all of these people to keep quiet anymore. Towards the end, Jackson NEEDED to tour because he NEEDED money, he wasn't even paying his own staff. I think that Jacksons "people" knew that if Michael didn't earn more money to keep paying people off, Michael would end up in court again and this time he would be going to jail, disgraced, his career destroyed, and their own careers over as well. I think that they figured Jackson at that point was more valuable dead than alive. And while I don't think that Jackson was necessarily murdered, I think that the people around him let himself medicate to the point where he could eventually have an "accident". So yeah, I guess he was, in a way, murdered.

I think some possible proof of this is Wade. He defended Jackson for years, and was likely getting paid a good sum of money to do so. Once Jackson was dead, he was probably being slowly weaned and became angry about that, so time to go to court for the money!

Regarding his children... his idiot famewhore daughter thinks he was a saint, but she would have been safe from him. I've never heard anything from the boys.

Prince is what, 20 or 21 now? I hear nothing about him, he seems to be avoiding public attention for now. Poor "Blanket" must still be in his grandmother's custody, and anyone stuck living with the vile and rapacious Jackson has even bigger problems than being raised by a pedo. How old was he when MJ died, anyway?

He didn't molest his children because if they accused him of it, there would be NO DENYING it. Simple.

R135, a toxic narcissist like Jackson wouldn't think of his children as being capable of betraying him, he wouldn't think of his children as being individuals or independent, or even as having feelings. He'd think of them as property, pets, his to do with as he pleased.

Personally, I think it will be a long time before we find out what his relationship with his sons was like. One is still a minor and presumably under the control of the nasty Jackson clan, the other is still very young, and they have this unstable sister who's trying to make is as an actress/model and to convince herself that her father was a saint. She won't want any nasty truths to be made public, any more than the Jackson relatives would.

I like your theory r133.

R92 Damn, Fisher was a huge junkie, pretending the only reason she relapsed was because of dentists giving her Percocet . Her poor mother.

Does anyone have any info on what, specifically, was going on with MJ, healthwise? What were his physical health problems/conditions?

It seems to me, he was falling apart physically as well, with the deterioration accelerating near the end of his life.

Looks like anorexia was a problem of many years standing -- what else was going on?

His children would be fools to speak out against their dead father. What for? In order to keep the money train on track (the MJ estate), it makes perfect sense to obfuscate any sordid details and awful truths about their father.

Sometimes it takes years for children of sociopaths to come around to the truth about their parents. Hindsight is 20/20. None of these kids are old enough, or mature enough to make sense of it yet. Give them time. If they are honest with themselves, they will reach the correct conclusions. And if, and when they do, they are certainly under no obligation to share their newfound insights with the public.

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Jacko in 19 June 2009

MJ used to play blackjack at my table when I was a dealer at the Bellagio. He wouldn't hit on anything over 13.

I wonder how old Michael was when he began offending. He probably started at a young age. Also, I'm not sure that I believe the stories about him being passed around as a kid. I think he was being sexually abused by his older brothers.

I think that the youngest Jackson siblings were all abused by the older ones, both the girls and the boys.

As soon as MJ dropped dead, one of the older brothers was attempting to molest Paris. It's one of the reasons why she attempted suicide, and moved away from fucked up family, and went to live with her mother.

Thanks R137!

After seeing those images above, especially R143, can you imagine Jackson enduring a grueling tour schedule? I remember reading that he did not want to tour because he knew his fans would expect a full show including all of his dance moves but he was adamant that he could no longer physically do it. Maybe that was true, or maybe he had other reasons that he didn't want to tour.

I think a lot of his "physical ailments" were largely psychological in origin. All of the self-induced stress, money problems, dozens of people with their hands out, all of his secrets, probably constantly worried that the next lawsuit was just around the corner. Add in prescription drug addiction as well as possibly other drugs, and you've got a disaster just waiting to happen.

So yeah, they probably thought it better for Jackson to go out an "innocent man" and a legend before the shit really hit the fan.

I'm curious to know how much money his estate is still making off of him, and where that money is going. I assume the kids, but who is in charge of his estate? Jackson's mother?

That's your uncle, sweetie.

R147 Which brother?

crazy mj stans

R147, I don't know who manages the estate, but it's not his mother or the brothers or any other relatives. He completely and finally cut them out of the will, the only reason that any of them got any of his money was that Grandma Katherine got $$$ from the estate as long as she had the white kids in her care, and she used it to support god knows how many relatives as well. Of course her children and grandchildren were so grateful that a few years ago they tried to kidnap her and declare her incompetent, so they could have control of the money she was getting.

God help Blanket, who is still a minor and is probably the family's last link with the massive Jackson fortune. I hope he's living with his older brother or a pack of wolves or something, God knows what the rapacious Jacksons would do to a single kid who stood between them and a fortune.

How did he become so crazy?

R153 first off, he comes from a long line of crazy. Do you know anything about his parents and how they treated those kids? Next there was the abuse. Then the lack of a real childhood. There are people who had less to contend with who are crazy. The real question is, how could he not have turned out crazy?

I believe MJ abused children (I know, not a stretch), and that he neglected animals. I can even believe the enemas, but the diarrhea/tampons thing seems made up. MJ was a freak, and I'm sure there's all sorts of sordid shit he did, but I can't believe EVERYTHING I read about him - I mean, once you have the reputation as being a child abuser and general freak, people will believe anything. Of course, I can never really know what's true and what's not. So, maybe the tampons did happen.

He was definitely abused and molested. I have no doubt about that.

[Quote] Joe Jackson looks like a demon. Literally. .

He really does. I like how he was promoting himself immediately after Michael died too.

Promoting himself as what?

R158 He was promoting his record label.

I didn't know he had one. Well I hope he meets with nothing but failure.

It bothers me that Liz Taylor stood by him.

The entire family is nuts. They're a bunch of predatory ghouls.

Joe Jackson is pure scum. He ran that household with an iron fist, and physically abused all of his children, as well as his wife. He was especially hard on Michael, who was forced to become the family's primary bread winner as a small child. If Michael even thought of saying the word "No" at any time, Joe came offer him with a belt or a closed fist. He absolutely ruined any decent future that Michael could have had.

I don't know if Michael was born a pedophile, or not. I tend to believe that people are born with it. I know many claim that pedos become pedos because they were abused, however, that doesn't explain how people who were never abused become attracted to children, or how people who were abused do not become attracted to children. I suppose it could be both, but people who are only attracted to children, are usually born that way. That's a different pathology from one of repeating abuse. I think Michael never stood a chance, anyhow.

I'm glad he's gone. Another child is spared the insanity and pain of being exposed to that monster and his disgusting enablers. And he is finally out of his misery as well. MJ was like a rabid dog who genuinely needed to be put down as a gesture of kindness to all around him, and to him as well.

Do you remember this?

Maids reveal Michael Jackson’s filth and perversion

R161 and Marlon Brando

Abuse is cyclical. I believe that Michael was abused as a child and probably by a bunch of different people. It's a known fact that Joe sexually abused his daughter Rebbie and she had to leave the family home to get away from it. He was probably abusing others as well. Michael said on Oprah that he feared his father and that he would often faint or vomit when he came into the room. Sexual abuse is about power and control, too, not just sexual gratification. I could believe that Michael's brothers abused him. He left his siblings as well as Joe out of his will. When he was alive he refused to have anything to do with any of the male members of his family.

If abuse is cyclical, how come all the females who are molested don't turn into sexual predators? It's only the men?

As someone said on another thread: When men have fucked-up childhoods they are more likely to grow into someone who hurts others, for women they're more likely to hurt themselves.

A paraphrase and a generalization that obviously isn't true in some instances, but IMHO it's true often enough.

R166 Men and women are wired differently. A woman who is abused is more likely to marry an abusive person, or turn a blind eye to her own child being abused than to become the abuser herself, although that happens, too.

Not "wired" differently, "conditioned" differently.

Both r169.

Its got to the point where no story about MJ seems too outrageous, if someone said that aliens had landed at Neverland and he was keeping them locked up in a cage, I'd believe it.

R171 LAMO

I like lovin' this way

Did he actually buy the Elephant Man's remains? Or was that just a rumor?

R174 I remember reading about that, too.

R174 R175 It was a rumor Jacko himself initiated, like the oxygen tank rumor, Jacko' people planted these stories deliberately in the tabloids. Jacko wanted to create this bizarre mysterious weird Howard Hughes image. Also i believe he wanted people to think he was very weird so that they would give him a pass for spending his time with little boys.

I'm just glad he's dead now and can't do any of those awful things again.

[quote] [R91] I'm not buying the animal abuse part. I do believe he molested kids but I do not believe in any way shape or form he abused animals.

There have been stories of him abusing Bubbles, which made me feel quite sad. I can totally believe he just didn't give a shit about animals. I mean, let's face it, how much of a sociopath must a person be to be able to sexually abuse little kids? It's been brought up by many experts that Jackson most probably created his whole weirdo and manchild image so he could hide in plain sight. That takes some serious planning. In one documentary an investigator from the police or the FBI said pedophiles sometimes create honeypots for kids, like candy stores or gaming stores, knowing they have a steady supply of kids coming to them. Jackson created Neverland.

It's really hard to objectively think about Jackson since he fooled the world for so long. You immediately remember his soft voice and frail appearance and you start thinking no way he could've been a monster. And then you remember the stories of people telling that in reality he really had a masculine voice he deliberately altered to sound fragile and boyish. Jackson was full of contradictions, and it's still hard to know what he was really. There's a part of me that wants to believe he wasn't all bad but unfortunately when the truth is now finally coming out I really do think he was rotten to the core the same way Jimmy Savile was.

Was he abused as a kid? Maybe. His parents both sound like vile creatures. It's good to remember, though, that not all sexually abused kids grow up to be pedophiles themselves, and not all pedophiles were abused as kids. But obviously some do and some were. I've known two girls who were sexually abused as kids. The other one was a silent type, a really 'nice' girl, who ended up becoming a priest. The other one was violent already as a kid and grew up to be a total nutcase druggie who died in her 20s. Abuse certainly does fuck up people. That said pedophiles do have choices to make. You can understand their struggles to a point but no one forced Jackson or Polanski to become pedophiles even if their childhoods were totally fucked up. It's a sad situation really in every way.

Wonder if he had the strength to keep his hands off Ryan White?

He was a walking contradiction

Partly truth, but mostly fiction

A cautionary tale.

So I am confused. He had tampons up his ass that had fecal matter on them (ok, but gross. Do understand how that happens.). But why blood? he was never a bttom, right? couldn't have been with boys between 7 and 12.

Where was the blood coming from? Why/

R182, he used tampons to plug up his ass because he had chronic diarrhea. The blood was probably from perianal hematoma caused no doubt by all those enemas, tampons, and drippy doo doo. He probably also took laxatives to stay slim, like Britney.

R191 "Hollywood Occult?"

The part about him throwing rocks at the lion, etc. breaks my heart. If true, the man needed some serious help, because how hideous! The queen of rock (Joan Jett) would have clobbered that king of pop's ass, had she been witness to that!

This whole thread is gross and sad beyond belief!

If only the lion had been able to take him out.

Blanket seems to live at Katherine's house pretty much with just staff and visits from the cousin co-guardian. I think I read Katherine is living with Rebbie and may be getting Senile. Katherine gets the most $$ which she is free to dole out to other family members. Hence a lot of the trouble between Jermaine, Rebbie, and endless cousins. The kids come into $$$ when they become adults.

I remember Michael saying that Joseph was even meaner to Marlon who did not have as near the dancing talent as the other brothers. In rehearsal if Marlon screwed up, Joeseph would immediately "jack" Marlon up.

If MJ was loaded up on female hormones (to delay puberty) as a child and not transsexual that could have caused him all kinds of emotional, sexual and physical problems. Especially back in the 1960s. I don't feel this is the smoking gun, however, just another clue to the life of the world's weirdest person.

Does ANYONE know what's going on with greasy Jermaine's hair? If some one knows, please enlighten me. Sometimes it appears as an overdose of waves drawn on by sharpies on the sides and back with a lacefront piece on top. Other times it looks like tar has been shovelled on the back & sides. What is it?

I remember Chris Rock saying "Jermaine is the greasiest ni88a in the world" in one of hos HBO comedy specials. He said he needed to spray WD 40 on his TV screen after Jermaine gave an interview.

LMAO, r188.

I have no idea what Jermaine was putting in his hair. I'm assuming he chemically straightened it, and then put some sort of oil on it in order to give it a "wave" or loose curls. There's no way kinky hair will look like that without some sort of chemical treatment, unless you're looking at biracial hair.

R187, I think Jermaine's sides are tattooed, while the back are tight cornrows.

Aaaaaand, what's wrong with his skin!?

R191

Look at the English entertainer Jimmy Saville. Everybody covered for him, because he made people, companies, and charities money. That's what pedophiles do. They put themselves in a position of power where others have to cover for them and become complicit in order to save their own ass or keep making money. Look at Penn State's Jerry Sandusky. Same thing. Popular people with power and authority being blindly trusted to do only good and make others a shitload of money.

I believe a lot of parents felt so ashamed that they were tricked by Michael Jackson that they couldn't face their own shame and simply denied to have ever been tricked which put a real number on the victims, because that pretty much meant that the parents abandoned their child in need of support dealing with the trauma (when the parents deny it ever happened). Same goes with devout religious families finding out that a local priest abused their child, or children. Their shame and religious attachment prevents them of being supportive of their own child and instead abandon it.

Michael Jackson bought Liz Taylor's friendship. He brought her expensive gifts and in exchange she called him a friend in public.

I believe we are all born benevolent and it's the way we grow up that makes us who we are. Joe Jackson created Michael Jackson, the pedophile sociopath. Only very few people are able to deal with childhood trauma and are able to move on. Michael Jackson never managed to deal, recover, and move on from his horrible childhood experience and it ruined his whole life.

R193 All of this.

"Michael Jackson never managed to deal, recover, and move on from his horrible childhood experience and it ruined his whole life. "

Jackson resolutely spent his adult life avoiding anything that would help him deal with his issues. He avoided education, he avoided accountability by paying off injured parties, he avoided therapy (he shopped and diddled little boys when he wanted to feel better), he surrounded himself with enablers and yes-men and cowed servants, he didn't use doctors to heal himself but to mutilate his face and to load up on prescription drugs, he avoided reality with those drugs, he used wealthy fans to avoid financial realities, and eventually Dr. Murray helped him avoid life itself.

He's a cautionary tale to anyone with a clue, and it's a wonder that only one of his kids is a train wreck so far.

He had the money, he could've gotten help.

What R196 said.

And I disagree with what you said about the parents R193. I could see them being tricked ONCE and then grabbing their kid and getting the hell AWAY from Jackson. But nope, they not only didn't run from Jackson, they actually gave their kids to him to tour with him around the world! Some of these kids basically lived with Jackson for YEARS. Omar Bhatti and his whole family lived at Neverland, Omar lived in the main house with Michael and his parents and sister lived in a guest house. FOR YEARS. They absolutely knew what was going on. They are 100% complicit in the abuse, ALL of those parents who pimped out their little boys.

R190 OMG that's brilliant!! I would never have clocked that as tattooing had you not told me. And I agree about the back as well.

I don't understand, if he had all these horrific pictures and books with pictures of child pornography, why wasn't he arrested and charged with that? Why didn't he go to jail for having all that?

Fame, Charisma, the need to keep him as a money making machine, the devotion of blinkered fans and a resistance from the public to acknowledge how big a problem pedophilia is. These were the issues then , they are the same issues now R201

Considering all the drugs he was on I imagine the only way he could evacuate his bowels was with enemas.

MJ was probably abused as a child, maybe anally too. It's all horrible, torturing animals etc.

Monster Jackson

He love those white boys

Just when I didn't think this story could get any more insane, OP comes along.