Frank Ocean is the most culturally relevant and widely espected LGBT artist around today

what's an LGBT artist?

what does it eat in winter?

Who?

She's no Billy Ocean

she's a mess

No one even knows who he is.

He's not el-gibiti, OP. He's gay. Say it.

OP is 100% correct.

That's how straight men like their gays: keep out of their eyes and don't shove your sexuality in their faces, whatever that means.

Hardly, Lance bass @ fan r8

He makes a SIGNIFICANT impact....

Frank's tumblr ( The only legitimate use of that T word ever )

I read in the paper that my brothers are being thrown from rooftops blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs for violating sharia law. I heard the crowds stone these fallen men if they move after they hit the ground. I heard it’s in the name of God. I heard my pastor speak for God too, quoting scripture from his book. Words like abomination popped off my skin like hot grease as he went on to describe a lake of fire that God wanted me in. I heard on the news that the aftermath of a hate crime left piles of bodies on a dance floor this month. I heard the gunman feigned dead among all the people he killed. I heard the news say he was one of us. I was six years old when I heard my dad call our transgender waitress a faggot as he dragged me out a neighborhood diner saying we wouldn’t be served because she was dirty. That was the last afternoon I saw my father and the first time I heard that word, I think, although it wouldn’t shock me if it wasn’t. Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist. Many are annoyed by our wanting to be married like everyone else or use the correct restroom like everyone else. Many don’t see anything wrong with passing down the same old values that send thousands of kids into suicidal depression each year. So we say pride and we express love for who and what we are. Because who else will in earnest? I daydream on the idea that maybe all this barbarism and all these transgressions against ourselves is an equal and opposite reaction to something better happening in this world, some great swelling wave of openness and wakefulness out here. Reality by comparison looks grey, as in neither black nor white but also bleak. We are all God’s children, I heard. I left my siblings out of it and spoke with my maker directly and I think he sounds a lot like myself. If I being myself were more awesome at being detached from my own story in a way I being myself never could be. I wanna know what others hear, I’m scared to know but I wanna know what everyone hears when they talk to God. Do the insane hear the voice distorted? Do the indoctrinated hear another voice entirely?

Wow, powerful stuf R10 - I never realized he had a tumblr - I just followed him so thanks for re-posting his words!

He's done little since Channel Orange (well, he's done stuff, but nothing that got a lot of publicity) - the beginning of his mentioning that he's LGBT. Remember all he hoopla and articles. Well, it hasn't stuck. He's still here of course, but on the periphery. Most culturally relevant and widely respected? How?

he's pretty hot in that Malcom X kinda way... and apparently his new album is dropping this month, after 4 years of waiting

The RELEVANCY it burns!!!!

^.....

Some embarassingly out-of-touch, culturally benighted old farts gonna be looking pretty damn stupid imminently

takes a mind to worry

A consciousness to feel ashamed

But there's nowhere to hide out here

This sky is filled with planes

Dat a tranny or nah?

From Reddit re new album:

•the song ommas called "one of the greatest pieces of modern music"

• incredibly powerful lyrics,

• subtle gay pride song, but lyrics are abstract enough for interpretation.

•the snippet with the beach boy harmonies is this song.

• uncredited composition by sufjan stevens. Some of his best work lands on this song.

• song would be this generations "imagine" by john lennon " ---

Lawd if true!!!

you start a habit and you keep it up for four or five weeks and then you stop,

you feel like you’re missing something in your day, that’s what music is for me.

feels like a necessary act, it takes a mind to worry, a conscious to feel ashamed

but there's no planes to hide out here, these skies are filled with planes

you just sort of romanticize something that's in the past is fantasy because

it's not exactly how it went down, a fantasy plays like the role of a supplement,

drawn fantasy to make things hyper real, saturate the colours --- And you know he had a hand in every single detail of the aesthetics of that commercial!

I give him props, but I think he's overrated. Channel Orange wasn't all that. He doesn't get a pass from me just because he's gay. Culturally relevancy and being respected are far from qualities that I care about in an artist.

Love the way the gay men and the LGBT trans crowd try to claim a bisexual man when it's convenient, like Frank Ocean or Shakespeare or Oscar Wilde. Frank Icean us a self-professed bisexual man. He us not gay. He is not "LGBT", or as someone put it above, el-gibiti.

What do you think the B stands for?

Dem veins

He is bisexual, not an alphabet letter claimed by tumblr otherkin ilk and their allies. He is

Tumblr idjits stealing essence of proud out BISEXUAL men in order to create fictitious otherworld of otherkin unicorn-fancying-my-boyfriend is Brony so I am queer community.

He's got one of those crazy paradoxical one-moment-ugly-next-moment-stunning faces

His inhumanly beautiful smile along with the ice berg melting emotional tension here totally murder-rapes my heart:

Brothas always gotta keep it on da low. Otherwise they won't be welcome at da club, drinking Hennessy with their bros in the VIP section.

(R27) Really?

Which part do you wanna query, queery r29 ?

He says a few more words in this, possibly new lyrics ; his music his the background?

^ Thank God that Frank and former Sex God Henry Rollins don't lower themselves to parroting directly the shill phrase like the rest of these whores

Just posted on tumblr " self-portrait " :

Fringe artist.

He sho' is uglyyyyyyyyy, haaaaaHA!

The man in the still from R24 is not Frank Ocean in case anyone cares

R36 it's from the fucking video. He wearis a white tee in that too. It's him. Why do you say otherwise ?

R24. 99% certainly ihim

Frank and the guy from R24 don't have the same veiny arms. Watch the video again to see how they splice in Mr. Veins.

Also, look at Frank fully clothed. Does he really look THAT shredded? Not complaining, just pointing it out. I'll stop now.

Arms: check Veins: check Frank: check

* Arms:: check

Veins: check

Frank..

Etc

There have been several shirtless pics of him over the years and he's always had a low BF level ; if anything ihes even lower now . He's always been kinda low key skinny-buff.

He is much better than Kanye, but a hipster hopper nonetheless, and as with all hipster hoppers wildly overrated. And beside he is bisexual so part of the BT bit, which isn't really part of the gay and lesbian culture.

There are just as many quotes and inferences to suggest he's gay as opposed to bisexual. But the jury remains tantalisingly out

His new record is the most anticipated of the year. Hyped, but arguably completely justified.

where's Billy Ocean, BTW? He was fun!

Re frank's body:

I remember his Instagram (before he deleted his social media) he would only rarely interact with the clusterfuck of messy psycho fraus , trannys , and creepy desperate bottoms fighting eacother over him... One Such times he did deign was after hed posted a pict of his face while lying down and he received a comment to the effect that he looked like he'd gained weight… Quick as a flash Frank put that motherfucker in his or her place and let it be known it was not true.. He's family alright!

Yeah r46 he's more for ya original thinker, comedy genius kind of music fan

I kind of fell in love with Channel Orange. Can't wait for the new stuff.

But I did think he was keeping the gay stuff on the down low until he made that Tumblr post after the Orlando shooting. It looks like he's triggered.

By the way, a story is out that he's the new Calvin klein model.

a "story"? the damn, pretentious AF ad is online already!

I stand by the premise of this thread; there is no one else even close

He's a genius. I can't wait for the new album.

He can't sing, he has no hit songs, he's pretentious and fails at being poetic. He managed to make a name for himself by coming out as gay but he tries to distance himself from his sexuality ever since. He used the gay community to further himself and he's still a flop. No respect from me.

Worse have been said about a lot of geniuses R53. Many aren't appreciated in their time. Also he's far from a flop and has one of the most anticipated albums coming out possibly soon.

R54 "Geniuses" child please, and anticipated by who? Other self hating gays??

Agreed, OP.

"Thinking About You" is my favorite.

It seems like every other month there is a new World's Greatest Rapper who all the hipsters and critics fawn over. Remember Jay Z, Lil Wayne, Kanye, Kendrick Lamar, 2 Chainz? Now there's a new GOAT at least until the end of the summer, I guess.

Hipster throw around the word genius like it means nothing. Frank Ocean is not a genius, he may be a very talent rap artist, but he is not a genius. Eisenstein was a genius, Hawking is a genius, De Vinci was a genius, Verdi was a genius, Wagner was a genius. rap musicians are not.

He's a talented rapper? I thought he was just a really bad singer?

Lord. The elderqueens are really exposing themselves in this thread.

Yes Frank Ocean may be too lowkey on the gay issue but on the opposite spectrum you get instagram happy gays like Steve Grand. Sometimes it's better not to advertise yourself so much so everyone is sick of you.

is he a rapper? he doesn't rap that much on Channel Orange. That's the main reason i like that album!

He doesn't rap at all on Channel Orange nor on its predecessor Nostagia Ultra . Now, he *can* rap, quite well in fact, but it's not primary occupation artistically (thus far).

I've never heard a Frank Ocean song. Has he had any mainstream hits? Or is he one of those acts only loved by critics?

"mainstream hits"

See... that's your problem

Greatness

Listen to Sweet LIfe, R64. It's a great song of his on Channel Orange. It's a very pop song, i think was one of the singles.

He can't sing.

I looked for the video for "Pyramids" and the electronic instrumental middle break wasn't in it. Which is the coolest bit of music on the whole album.

I know it was about a stripper, but too cliche for me

I'm not saying he's untalented but can your cultural relevance be considerable if most people have never heard your music?

Let's face it even Clay Aiken (gag) has had more impact than this hipster trash singer.

R68 You tried.

He can sing ...but it's when he elavates into his falsetto is when the magic occurs. But he reserves this sparingly, like his smile , to glorious effect. But singing is not everything. You sound like you'd be better off with an American idol contestant. . John Lennon couldn't sing. Bob Dylan couldn't sing etc etc Some things are more important than vocal perfection: such as art; and genuine emotion instead of emoting; and ideas

I understand the notion of being enigmatic, but Frank took it to far. His failure to produce as album all these years has withered his fanbase and cultural relevance. People got tired of him delaying the album and being cuoy. His failure to engage the public is viewed as him being a jerk or scatterbrained. He has allowed Miguel and The Weeknd to supplant him. You can't be so withdrawn that people start to think you are a jerk

R72 Honey, he's not John Lennon nor is he Bob Dylan. You're right some things are more important than vocals, it just so happens that he has none of those qualities either.

Yep, people think he's pretentious. His Grammy performance seemed like he wasn't even trying. People wanted him to be big, but instead he seemed stuck on being weird and enigmatic. You can be enigmatic, but at least be prolific

R74 Well, we'll see.

Or rather I will; you're old and will be dead soon

R74, don't call dudes "honey. " at least not like that.

We're comparing a rapper with one unsold record to Bon Dylan and John Lennon?

Response #1: I hate Millenials

Response #2: Only on Datalounge

I'm a huge fan of Dylan. Not his singing, but his songwriting.

"Bad Religion" is equal to "It Ain't Me Babe".

Hopefully his new album (?) will feature a big pop friendly number that will give him the big audience he deserves.

Half the motherfuckers on this thread probably thought Prince would be a flash in the pan since they didn't hear about him until "Purple Rain".

He is gay. He was saying bi sexual to ease the black commuinty into his persona.

R78 yes, that's the writing terrotiroty he's iin marking out or is looking likely to develop into. I'd also add in Joni Mitchell, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield. But maybe you know better than the music professionals and critics?

*Marking out

If the handful of stunning songs off James Blake's latest is any indication.... There should be a lot to enjoy.

* sigh* also "territory"

Would it be an outrageously problematic microaggression to aver he's quite an impressively articulate chap?

Prince's Little Red Corvette hit #6 and 1999 hit #12 but NOBODY heard of Prince until a year later when Purple Rain hit.

That's two top 10 singles on Billboard. Frank has zero top 10 singles so far.

Top 20 not Top 10

Is this thread real? Channel Orange was pretty good but does the OP really think Frank Ocean is the most culturally relevant and widely respected LBGT artist? I guess we could ask who the other contenders would be.

R89 Be my guest..the floor is yours

Andy Cohen, obviously!

[quote]is the most culturally relevant

Ellen

[quote]widely respected

Eh....

Certainly not Colton!

Whether by default -- due to the parlous state of LGBT culture which seems to consist chiefly of twerking,YouTube attention whoring, and RuPaul's Drag Race -- or otherwise, my assertion stands: He is CURRENTLY the most significant homo or homo-adjacent artist (I meant musical artist but I think it might stands more generally) around who's still relevant and garnering buzz from the cultural elite as well as the street. But please feel free to submit your own candidate.

It's a rare artist that can bridge the cultural elite and da street… And it's unfuckingheard of for an openly gay or bi artist to do so. I'm thinking Andy Warhol maybe but, not quite... Or Freddie Mercury, but that coward didn't even come out till he was almost dead, and was never really had any cultural cache (post Bohemian Rhapsody ) except in a fond, guilty pleasures kinda way. Oh wait… What was I thinking… of course… Adam Lambert !!!!!

I like your style mister OP @ R94. I have some challenge candidates for you, but we will see how this shakes out. More would be better than one, we can agree?

Eh.. Maxwell!

The retards have arrived

THREAD CLOSED

I never got into this music. His voice just doesn't move me.

Zayn Malik is not gay, but he is the only singer I enjoy when it comes to the younger guys. His voice amazing but he has turned out to be a studio singer.

Why my good sir, R96, I most heartily accept your challenge on behalf of the blessed acronym (or whatever that lgbt thing is called) The only winner will be Culture herself

Now, some ancient white FAG at r98 got his Prince panties in a knot. His contributions to this thread have all been negative statements plus of course the hilarious Andy Cohen remark! Keep going pa. Retards love the effeminate gays as court jester generation. Who doesn't?

Y'all so old and out of touch

Duh r99 One of, if not THE, biggest influences on Zayn Malik' is * drumroll*...Frank Ocean ...even copted same producer to get a similar sound

*copped

R104

Coöpted

Cräp.

Frank is one of the vanishingly rare widely acknowledged cool gays. That shit takes some finessing. Trust.

r103, yes gurl, I know one of Frank Ocean's producers worked on Zayn's album...but I am talking about vocal quality here. Zayn Malik's voice is more pleasing to me.

What is the DL consensus about his penis?

His penis is GAY

"You say it's big but you take it.. riiiide cowgirl"

Confirmed

I dunno this seems pretty smooth to me, "gurl" r108 -- for a throwaway tumblr track.

Get back to me when Zayn Malik can write anything approaching this… Or write anything on his own without a shit ton of help

Better link

Anyone heard of the artist Blood Orange. His new album is called Freetown Sound and it's gotten rave reviews. Not to derail the thread, but it's sort of alt-R&B in the vein of Frank Ocean. Not that they sound the same, but some similar templates. And, Blood Orange seems to suggest he's gay positive/friendly. The first paragraph from the Onion AV club review:

"In an Instagram post three weeks ago, Devonté Hynes, better known as Blood Orange, explicitly declared who his third record is for: “everyone told they’re not black enough, too black, too queer, not queer the right way, the [underappreciated]… it’s a clapback.”

R175 Yeah Aka Lightspeed champion I love him forever and hoped he was gay; he would definitely qualify for the cool gay club. Also love the work he did with solange. Do you think is the closet case, discreet, or straight?

If Hüsker Dü had been out in the 80s they would be about the same level of coolness as Frank ocean but not as widely known; or if Michael Stipe had of come out about the time of losing my religion

Before anyone tries it Morrissey doesn't count.. for sooo many reasons

Were Bob Mould and Grant Hart ever out when Husker Du were together? I don't recall that they were.

Love Husker Du (and Sugar and Mould solo). Still love the fact that Husker Du was 2/3 gay and the member who looked straight up like a 70s era mustache gay was the straight one while Hart and Mould looked like sloppy straight guys.

Grant Hart got thin and sort of looks like an aging lesbian - but I still love him. Lol.

I think the reason to exclude Morrissey is simply his current cultural relevancy. The Smiths were SO great and so was some of his solo stuff - and it's still beloved and listened to. But, is he currently culturally relevant?

honourable mention: Wookid

^And especially his video concepts and directing

Oops

Fun fact: Frank's ex BF is the long haired dude in that woodkid video

Dev Hynes has spoken of his new album in queer terms. It's safe to say he's LGBT.

I don't know, R116. He has an album as Lightspeed Champion called Falling off the Lavender Bridge. And his Blood Orange album Coastal Grooves is apparently "inspired by the film Paris is Burning" (per iTunes summary of the album).

Mykki Blanco is male, right?

Trans (well this week anyway)

yawn

Honourable mention : Block Party's kele unpronouncablesomethingorother (Well technically about 5 years ago when he wasn't yet gay)

R129

Lady Gaga ➡️

⬅️ Captain and Tenille

Yes he fucking was, r130.

Lol You hardly count as male, Simon

Blood Orange has some great throwback r n b, and dance pop, some well arranged moments and musical passages, and a lot of tracks on it.

Its written from the underdog perspective and celebrates keeping going under life's adversity and bs.

No one has to buy Frank's music, but i root for him and pay attention because of where he is at the moment. A LOT of people are anticipating this release.

Including Adele who arguably owns the current stage with him as well... Bey is a given

Morrissee is not gay or bisexual he's " HUMASEXUAL"

I guess that must a cool thing for his incongruous adoring Latino devotees

Oooohh I just remembered a genuinely cool one ...but I don't know whether it still counts because they were MASSIVVE in the 90s but still going...and not many people even today that they were gay..and I don't know if they were big outside of Europe

UNDErWORLD

* not many people even today know they were gay

Oh...I can't find any references to karl Hyde from underworld being gay. Could've sworn I read or heared an interview about two of the three being gay. But can't find it so disregard

Briefly Uber cool honourable mention: the XX

Briefly über cool, honorary mention (although not 100% determined coz ya know too cool n' shit) : The Knife

100% accredited cool ass gay with left field superstar potential: Arca (and cute)

^ Edit my muthafucking eyes: No longer cute by a looooooong way

Yeah imma stop because this is futile., frankly ( 😉) no one comes close to occupying the position that Frank holds in the culture righ now. Which is as much a testament to him as it is an indictment on us and culture generally

Average age of urban hipster = 33.

I hardly listen to any gay artists, like Frank Ocean most just suck. Tara Jane O'Neil is lesbian, and awesome, she is pretty much the only gay or lesbian artist I get, some Hidden Cameras tracks are pretty cool too.

He's a hot bisexual brutha 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Things will only dramatically change when a straight teenage boy can look at his hero and think: "I wanna be just like that guy, as cool ass as that guy"; irrespective of his idol's sexuality. The Frank Ocean phenomenon is laying the foundation to that destination, a future of TRUE acceptance.

R147 But the shrill, gay ghetto-minded, "heteronormality!!!!" shriekers and edgy "queers" will try to hold us back. They pine for a fantasy of a Weimar Republic, long for fabulous degeneracy cred, routcasts status and romantic victimhood and romantic martyrdom.

* or maybe "Heteronormativity "

Dat damn smile bump!

i like his songs, but the people all over this thread claiming he's changing western civilization need to put the pipe down.

I think he is the best singer after Bowie and Elton. I would actually he is better than Elton.

If Frank has his head in right place he could be the next iconic music star like Elvis or Bowie.

I think his strength is musical atmosphere and setting a nice groove. His singing is medocore, but it works for his music.

Frank Ocean’s estranged father is blasting his famous son for telling the world lies about him being homophobic in response to an essay the singer posted days after the Orlando nightclub shooting in which he recalls an incident as a child where his dad hurled homophobic slurs at a transgender waitress, with the man saying his son fabricated the entire story and it never even happened.

On July 5th, Frank’s dad (Calvin Cooksey) sent over a strange letter to the judge in the case explaining – for no apparent reason – he has been distracted, sleepless and confused after he discovered his son made headlines by telling more lies about him.

According to the letter, Frank recently released an essay on his Tumblr in which he responded to the Orlando nightclub shooting at the gay nightclub Pulse. He posted,

Cooksey says his son is a liar and he is not homophobic. He accuses his son of lying because he is scared to face his father as a homosexual male. Further, he points out that if Frank was really 6-years-old, he wouldn’t be able to remember such an incident.

The man says that Frank wouldn’t even provide a declaration to the defendants in the legal battle because he claims the singer knows he is lying when he labels Cooksey a ‘dead beat dad’.

He argues that since his son is a known liar and Global Grind repeated the lies and thus he should be awarded $5 million dollars in damages or the entire $142 million he originally demanded in the legal battle.

---

Rest of the article details the deadbeat's previous attempted shakedown

Edit

*he posted:

"I was six years old when I heard my dad call our transgender waitress a faggot as he dragged me out a neighborhood diner saying we wouldn’t be served because she was dirty. That was the last afternoon I saw my father and the first time I heard that word, I think, although it wouldn’t shock me if it wasn’t. "

R150 ewww he's cockeyed!!!

[quote]He has no hit songs.

LOL. Oh, grandpa.

Frank is def hot AF but something about him makes me think he's uppity. Like if you're not "Hot" or "Cool" he won't give you the time of day. I don't get that from Dev.

Channel Orange is pretty great. But, when it was released, people were talking about about his supposedly legendary Nostalgia, Ultra, which is much worse, IMO.

He's got swag.

R157 because Dev Hynes has that traditional (often faux ) British self deprecation thing going on. Frank walks a endlessly interesting precarious line between turnt up Hyper-masculine swag and braggadocio, and humble sensitive singer-songwriter-cum-intellectual without risking the ultimate sin of appearing "soft!" let alone reading "gay!" No easy task. His code switching is as endlessly dextrous and fascinating as any of his other creations.

^ *endlessly "endlessly". Sorry

[quote] I think his strength is musical atmosphere and setting a nice groove. His singing is medocore, but it works for his music.

Let me preface this by saying I only listened to this album today after reading this thread, so over time my opinion could change. I actually find his voice to be the more interesting and enjoyable part of his music. The samples and beats sound a bit dated and bland to me. I know this makes me sound super old, but most of the songs sound like what you'd hear on side 2 of an album. Not bad, but not exactly pulling you in. I think there's a lot of potential there and will keep listening. Definitely interested to hear what he does next.

R162, it would be interesting to get your take on hist first album (mixtape technically) -- NOSTALGIA, ULTRA. Half the album employs extensive samples of other artists' songs -- the use of one EXTREMELY iconic track in particular is breathtakingly shameless act of iconoclastic effrontery -- taking them into new and fascinatingly cinematic territories.

But the original tracks here are amongst his best work.

The track NOVACANE charts territory never before explored in any song, to my knowledge, certainly not in an uptempo R&B song: namely that of a man in extremis, a midst a sexual-identity crisis, and it employs the metaphor of drugs and increasingly rote sexual encounters with multiple women in order to numb the pain of a...something..some dark nameless dis-ease in his soul..which in retrospect we know all too well; until finally he "can't feel a thing", he's close to losing the struggle or perhaps coming to a new realisation. Or maybe not. His best work, not unlike all good poetry, eschews easy glib answers and single interpretations.

Another song, WE All TRY, being perhaps the best example of this trait, finds him hard to pin down vis-a-vis liberal/conservative, hawk/dove, pro-life/anti-abortion, hypocrite/sincere, rational/conspiracy theorist, believer/atheist -- he's endlessly tricksy, playful and fork-tongued. And it's all this but it's also primarily love song too. A love song to humanity -- at its crooked timber less-than-perfect best. That's frank.

We all try

Wow. Confirmation that frank has been working on that novel he promised. Some one naked into the Calvin Klein websites code and found this ready to go but not yet officially posted. Also the magazine (possibly fashion and culture) :

Frank Ocean is one of the most artistic and enigmatic musicians working today. Though it has been more than four years since he released his debut studio album, Channel Orange, interest in Ocean hasn’t waned. Instead, it’s increased.

He is known for being a perfectionist, and a pursuant of creativity in all forms. He resists pressure and follows his own vision. He has published a magazine and worked on a novel while continuing to perfect his highly anticipated second album.

Ocean shuns interviews and social media, and prefers instead to speak through his work. He has said that when it comes to understanding music, the most important thing is to just press play. Ocean is a powerful storyteller, using his own openness and honesty to create an emotionally intimate world in each of his songs. With his craft, his aim is not money, power, or fame, but to grow, progress, evolve and eventually be the absolute best.

So while he continues to work on that, we’ll continue to wait, as long as it takes, because when Frank Ocean does something, he does it right. The wait will be worth it."

*hacked into the code

Bump

While I do find Frank to be musically awful and horrible for the gay community I do quite like the other gay musician who spawned from his "Odd Future" collective, Syd/The Internet. She's consistently stepped up and grown as an artist, not the best vocalists and her albums aren't perfect either but she always manages to create a handful of songs that show her development and soulfulness each time.

R168 " horrible for the gay community"

Troll harder

I wanna add that in every interviews he's given he looks low, depressed, and quite unhappy. Hell, even that Calvin Klein ad is disturbing. He's probably mentally ill: black and gay is still a heavy burden.

He was replaced by the Weeknd, who is even more enigmatic, yet somehow manages to consistently release new material.

R170, Respectfully, you're an idiot! There's a video interview posted on this very thread where he's smiling and being charming virtually the whole way through. Youre trolling. You know nothing about this guy. Your too old and outta touch. Glad to be able to enlighten you.

i still bet on suicide 5 years from now, r172

I see R170 's problem. He doesn't get the concept of natural "swag ." Why would he? Personally more invested in the Liberace approach

* he's more personally invested in the Liberace approach

I thought the Weeknd replaced Burial(talk about enigmatic) love all three artists...

I thought Frank would surprise us by dropping it out of nowhere. Now with all the chaos going on, it coud matter more... Salve

Code switchin suave SMILEY Frank

(Only let down by his using "less" instead of "fewer." He knows better!)

Gay men are waaaay to smiley, seeking endless validation. They should take a tip from this guy.

^Too smiley

He's a massive fan of Celine Dion and the collects classic typewriters. I'll just park that here because I'll never use it again.

He is very sexy

If I recall correctly he Had a reading list up on his social media that was quite impressive in its breadth of subject matter not skimping on politics and high culture. I think Christopher Isherwood's Mr Norris Changes Train was a one of his favourite novels.; Probably gay themes.

Frank's stepfather was former New Orleans Police Chief Warren Riley

"Katonya Breaux Riley is married to former New Orleans Police Chief Warren Riley, which means that Frank Ocean’s stepdad is the controversial, much-criticized guy in the infamous photo below with former NOLA Mayor Ray Nagin…"

Singer. Songwriter. Novelist. Magazine publisher. Photographer. Painter. (Possibly ceramicist )

Tryhard pretentious cunt!

Too fucking cute

Cool

R178, I know people here criticize today's men for not being smiley, but I like that about mainstream men. It conveys seriousness, masculinity, strength.

Releasing a novel is a terribly --TERRIBLY! --risky idea. It's not as readily transferable skill as you'd imagine. Morrissey died on his arse -- a lesser overinflated ego would never recover from the public humiliation. Conversely Salman Rushdie's lyrical collab with U2 was a dud.

Can anyone think of any successful crossover of rock star to respected novelist? Nearest I've got is Bob Dylan even though technically Chronicles is a memoir. I think Joni could pull it off. And maybe Leonard Cohen -- but again poetry or poetic doesn't necessarily successfully transfer across into prose.

^Or Not book length extended prose anyway

Tracy Thorn formerly of Everything But The Girl is a good writer. Ditto Patti Smith

Bump

God he's sexy

Best pic of him IMO. I like 'em mean & moody... suicidally inclined & rich

what a nice pic, R193... very handsome.

He's hot

Pure masc SEXXXXXX here

On your knees bitch

Haha so nobody able to rebut my thesis after all....where dem other names be at breh?

R115 Dev Hynes latest interview:

Singer-songwriter and producer Dev Hynes has spoken about how he perceives his sexual identity in a new interview with ES Magazine.

The 30-year-old, who performs as Blood Orange (and previously Lightspeed Champion), and has produced and written songs for the likes of Kylie, Mutya Keisha Siobhan and Solange Knowles, revealed that when it comes to his sexuality, he’s taking a leaf of Prince and David Bowie’s book when it comes to labelling himself.

“Things are fluid. I think a lot of people look at me and think, ‘No, it’s strong if you define yourself and it’ll be helpful to others.’ But I think they don’t realise that I’m not hiding in not defining myself”, he explains.

“I’m openly not defining myself. To me, that’s the school of Bowie and Prince, where they were just themselves.”

London-born Hynes, who released third studio album Freetown Sound earlier this year, adds that while he has slept with men in the past, it “wasn’t his thing”, and is currently seeing “a couple of people”.

As a child, Hynes would paint his nails and took tap dancing and ballet classes, which attracted bullies.

“It was mainly black kids doing it,” he says. “There was a sense that I was different to them. White people didn’t really give a f**k”.

You can read the full interview with Dev Hynes in ES magazine, out today (July 28).

----- Wait, weren't the two guys he specifically singles out ultimately judged by public consensus to be very, even *very* straight?! So what signal is this guy really sending out by not really sending out a signal? Still, how brave and noble of a guy practically unknown to the public to sacrifice his public-image for the less fortunate.

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Neither Prince nor Bowie were people who refused to "define" their sexuality. Both were unambiguous. Bowie said early on, quite clearly, that he was bisexual then later on stated that it was an obvious (and highly successful) publicity gimmick dreamed up by his then wife. From then on he was clear about his heterosexuality. Prince was basically homophobic. No ambiguity there, at all.

Excellent point r201. It's just a shame no journalist similatly calls these types out on their contradictory BS in what effectively is little more than ego-massaging puff pieces

This bitch has hate raped my mental joy hole by withholding this album ..he has less than 48 hrs to drop this Imuthafucking Ju-lie record as promised or I'm THRU ...after 4yrs unrewarded selfless stanning

OMG! Something is happening… Some kind of live stream

...OR it could be a Frank trolling us in the name of "art" ..The title is called "endless" (ahem)

Wouldn't it be hilarious if, after taking several years to make, his second album was - industry term coming up - shit on a stick.

I like the name of his new album. Very original!

He should call his new album "Perfectly Frank" or "A Drop in the Ocean".

Is he another Lauryn Hill in the making?

If I kept my mouth shut, I wouldn't get very far in the gay department, wink wink,

Frank handles wood like a pro!

BTW he's building a staircase

Coming Friday!

Love him.

On the job again.

ASMR for masc gay hipster worshippers

I really liked the last album but what has he been doing for four years?

R215 Refining his wood handling skills apparently.

I've got a few knots he could smooth out

At fist sight the reachiest of all pseudo-intellectual clickbait think piece reaches ...but actually: yes

Is it out yet, then? And if it still isn't out yet, does that indicate that the album is - industry term coming up - a pile of shite?

It's not trending. It must not be out

That high pitched screeching in You Are Luhh (Luhh---cringe!) is annoying. I couldn't get through the whole thing. Prince he ain't. It remains to be seen if he'll produce a masterpiece...not just what passes for a masterpiece in the age of Kardashian.

Sausage value check on aisle 3!

How good is Endless? Has anybody listened to it yet?

Nnhhh

Album is amazing, --I was starting to have my doubts with the endlessEndless debacle -- but, no, amazing,amazing, in fact era defining. Don't believe me? See for yourself. We should feel proud to have him there representing us whether that's his intention or not I'm sure he's representing himself. But above all he's representing cultural excellence and the best of the old and the new. Open your minds, your heart's already his bitch.

Oldheads in the thread proved wrong again. Cynical fucks have no conception of aesthetic refinement true beauty

*AND true beauty

Currently bumping this masterpiece

How's the video?

R224 (or anyone really) what would you suggest a new listener pay the most attention to in his music? This isn't the sort of stuff I listen to so I'm not really having the immediate reaction you are. What would you say the highlight is--lyrics, flow, production, other? I know you probably like it all, but what was it that first caught your ear with him? I actually started to really get into Endless because I like a lot of ambient music and I thought what he was doing was pretty interesting and a few of those tracks were great.

R229

This order: Jimmy Fallon version of "Bas Religion" (his very first as a solo performer. Simply stunning! Gay heartbreakingly authentically gay minus the maudlin diva melodrama )

Swim good (first album; mixtape really)

We all try

Pink matter (chills; mystically sublime with a bit of sly postmodern cultural reference humour thrown in such as manga cartoons and Kung fu grunts -- in general he's amazing at mixing genuine emotion and sly wit and wordplay and making it work as sincere)

Novacane (upbeat but not really; noirish and paranoid with Kubrick references and sexual dysfunction--his acknowledging being numb to women)

Thinking bout you (Seemingly Gossamer light pop but actually keening criers de cor utilising war technology..fighter jets LOL)

Pyramids (album version and SLN Version. ) Frank has a habit of having no fixed version and some live versions are different and better than on record)

Wiseman

Lost Sweet life .. By then you'll love all of them (don't skip Nostalgia Ultra -- especially not the interpolations and rstraight up cheeky assed iconoclastic sacrilege even up to refurbishing Hotel California ..and miraculously making it work !!! Stay to the end of that track for a sublime evernescent coda. Oh and on humour and iconoclasm the sneaky mother fucker genius actually redid carpenters Close To You on this album!!!! Again worked)

I'm blearily eyed and sleep deprived and cried out like a baby due to this album so can't think clearly to give any others and forgive any and all incoherence LOTS of incoherence. But also unexpected clarity

I really believe he's the poet laureate of pop. Or Langston Hugh'es of r'n'B or ..alt r n b....or indie something or other beyond categorisation ..or bluegrass

This upgrades his seat to Superstar future legend level. Watch.

Oh shit man that orchestration! Johnny fucking Greenwood. Take a muthafukin bow. Wasted in Radiohead and Hollywood film scoring LOL

How has Johnny Greenwood been wasted in Radiohead and film scoring? Stupid comment righ there.

I've grown to love a few of those Endless (fragments and a couple of seemingly complete ) songs and now he's changed the whole lyrics and theme and yet I love the new version too!!! Da fuk

Being playfully ironic r234

Yeah all fine and well but where's the Novel bruh?

Seen some uploaded booklet scans with tBowie credited as collaborating. Anyone confirm that and in what capacity? Or is it more as a tutelary spirit kind of way?

Whoa R230 I was not expecting a list like that, but I will definitely work my way through it! I get really excited about music, so when I see it in others I like to dig in, even if it's not familiar. Thank you.

Anyone else heard the album besides superfan upstairs? What are your thoughts?

Guys. Sorry, I'm gonna be dumb and just ask it. Where are you all hearing the album? Apple Music? Or is it available somewhere else now?

The new albums are shit, Nikes is embrassingly bad, like a novelty record. Pretentious lowbrow urban hipster shithuggers dig it, so that should really tell you everything you need to know.

Nikes is not representative of the album and indeed the album version of Nikes is a far more staid affair.; sadly, as someone who appreciates a gangsta rapper chihuahua as much as the next 40 yr old.

It's a post modern HUMOUROUS and yet ultimately paradoxically VERY poignant gay artists (in every sense ) take on a hyper current black urban youth club banger

R243 - what's Nikes about? I'm not being facetious. I'm asking. I liked it, but have absolutely no clue what, lyrically, the song is about.

Mashable has the headline of "Don't freak out" but his album is finally here. Right...like majority of people even remembered he existed.

Edit : gay black artist take on a hyper-current hyper-masculine black urban youth club banger

And it's fucking beautiful. Y'know aesthetics. Read some Kant, cunt

244 heavens gate cult .. Seriously. Amongst other things. Multi layered like art should be Hint: rap genius lyric site parses it line by line.

Oh and consumerism. These bitches want Nikes ,they looking for a check.

Ba boom; ttish

R244 Heavens gate cult mass suicide were required to wear a certain type of Nikes and corpses covered in purple ..cloth shown in video

R245 - sorry, Gramps, although I totally get how annoying the hype is, for this one, it's real. "It" being the anticipation. I haven't listened to the album yet to comment on the quality of the actual product. But to suggest that no one even remembers Frank Ocean is to be incredibly out of touch with popular culture. It's been the most anticipated forthcoming album for two solid years. You don't have to take my word for it. Just look up the hundreds upon hundreds of articles and blog posts written every single time a tiny hint of the album came out - a random one-off single, even a mention of Frank Ocean by another artist (like Adele talking about how thirsty she was for a new Frank Ocean album on the Tonight Show) and on and on. Yeah, it's a bit over the top, but to suggest that he's some flop that everyone's forgotten about is ridiculous.

* shown in video

As much as I like Frank, something about a hugely successful, very wealthy singer-songwriter-producer writing an anti-materialism song rubs me the wrong way. They always write about how it's 'not about' money or fame AFTER they've amassed plenty of both.

[quote]Mashable has the headline of "Don't freak out" but his album is finally here. Right...like majority of people even remembered he existed.

Lots of people remembered he existed but the idea that his album was *ever* coming out was a joke to many on the internet. I'm not a fan of his but I've seen those comments flying left and right everywhere.

and I bet it won't lead to anything r252. People can joke and comment but it don't mean they will buy.

I would not say Frank's forgotten, or a flop, but the truth is life goes on. What I mean is you can't play that "I'm hiding, I'm a shy talented genious" game in this era, because everyone else's noise will down you out. Besides, the truth is he was wildly over-hyped to begin with. His Grammy performance with that keyboard was beyond underwhelming.

R254 - yeah his Grammys performance was terrible. He's a mixed bag live. Sometimes, he pulls it off and gives a stunning performance, but in the same concert he can give you many duds. I think he's a much stronger studio artist than he is live performer.

R252,

[quote] and I bet it won't lead to anything [R252]. People can joke and comment but it don't mean they will buy.

Agreed. Honestly.

He waited this long to release an album and ran right smack dab into a leak of Britney Spear's album Glory. (Which is probably her best since Blackout. I don't know what Britney Jean or her other albums were trying to do but it actually seems like her team gave a shit with this one.)

The gays were focusing on other things today.

I'm still blown away by r240's amazing signature .

R242

Seriously I get it. Sometimes you just don't fuck with an artists work. Even one you hitherto did fuck with. Case in point I love Radiohead but the last album was such a down for me that I never replayed (partly cause once you go Blake (James) you ain't ever going ..etc) it felt middle aged and depressing like egg timer sand running out scary depressing. And I say this as a now officially middle aged guy.

I hope you will go listen to it with your mind and heart (yeah that silly word) open. Don't BS me with the hipsters line. If you know anything about hipsters they are fickle as fuck and contrary as two crosswise cunts and hate what everyone else loves. Oh wait. Tell me my dude how's that beard going ;)

Britney Jean. Spears ...In a serious music thread ! Only on Datalounge

R249, thank you. Frank Ocean actually trended for hours on Twitter after the Endless release, and this was during the Olympics, he STILL managed to get all the buzz. That says something. It's ridiculous to say people don't remember him.. WTF?! His new album was highly anticipated and fans have been waiting for new music from him for ages now!

Most if not all hipster are 30 something, it's a 00 generation of music. I'm 19 and don't give a shit about hipster music, the truth is it is my parents music. They love all that hipster shit like Sufjan and Kanye and Drake and Beyoncé and shit. Even though like I have a slightly affectionate vibe to it, it's what my mom and dad played in car when I was kid and it has good memories for me, but it doesn't do anything to my blood.

Right now I'm listening to a lot of vintage 4AD shit, really Heaven or Las Vegas is pretty much all I'm listening to right now, But yeah, you know whatever, people like what they like.

[quote] Oh and consumerism. These bitches want Nikes ,they looking for a check.

Wait a second. He writes a song criticizing consumerism!? Wow, that's awesome. I assume he's giving the album away for free, then? Thank God he isn't selling it exclusively through iTunes, as that would be super hypocritical!

Every body think they cool or ironic or anti or hip or dark or new when they 19. non conforming is how you conform at any age. Hipsters are non conforming too in their minds. Those beards are itchy and the coffee tastes bitter man. Its work to be stay thin AND in bad shape. Old people spit on the street and eat pie for breakfast. Your mommy and daddy have a rebellion to their conforming too, no doubt. They are robbing as many people as they can while they can. Who don't want to hear some Beyonce in the Carpool lane? Beyonce is some universal goddess or the one we all are secretly working for, nobody knows. Britney Spears is as important as anyone else mentioned here. What do you call Frank Ocean fans was a twitter question this day. "Disappointed" seems to be the consensus, from Capetown to Brooklyn.

People need to realise dude is going Beyoncé level ..or has the ability to do so IF HE WANTS IT **IF** ...maybe prince, MJ level for this generation ...and what's more he's synthesising TRUE avandgarde and art and popular song in a way that GAGA foolishly laughably pretended she could. He's the real deal..and intellectualism , unsurpassed story telling He'll be one of THIS decades pop triumvirate (or the 4 equivalent , I forget.. Fucking no sleep. ) ..but he'll be much more and go on...while your divas asses droop and our replaced by fresher asses. And most of all hell do it as a BLACK OPENLY *GAY * man. Think on that Think on it some more. Again because he the real deal. And once again only if he wants it. I'm not sure he does tho.

*I'll have you know spelling it ".avandgarde" Is the vey mark of the truly avantguarde

R262 citation needed for "criticising "

Art and poetry is about complexity. Good art is anyway.

You're so reductive

I think Frank's sensational, but to suggest he's going to he's going to even approach MJ or, frankly, even Beyonce levels of stardom, ubiquity and cultural relevance is just ridiculous. For one thing, in an age of such media fragmentation, it's virtually impossible for anyone to be as dominant as MJ was at the height of his success. There are very few albums released these days that "everyone" is collectively experiencing and losing their shit over. We just have far fewer communal experiences - we're far more niche now.

Why the hyperbole, anyway, he's going to sell a ton of this album, receive heaps of critical praise and probably win some Grammys next year. I'm sure he's fine with that level of success. No need for world domination ala Bey.

The song/video isn't even on youtube, just "reaction" videos to it. Art for the masses, controlled by The Man at Apple, lol.

Frank is like Kanye and Bey, he bridges the world between hipsters and commercial mainstream. But hipsters are now the mainstream. Frank is part of the mainstream and his music reflects that, it is commercially viable, easy music for the masses, but it is also pretentious enough for the hipster mainstream to think they are above the commercial mass market.

r260, I hope you understand how Twitter and Facebook now have professionals dedicated to having their clients name in Trending positions. Just because a person has 10million followers, that also doesn't mean they are all real people too.

I can't believe people haven't figured this out.

Since when has this crap become some sort of hero?

[quote]Frank is like Kanye and Bey, he bridges the world between hipsters and commercial mainstream.

Except most people know who Kanye and Beyonce are and can even name at least one song by each. Not so with ol' Frank, sadly. If he puts out a hit single or two, then he might be in a position to claim to be some kind of bridge to mainstream commercial success, but until then he's a hipster artist who got a lot of press after he came out of the closet. He has a solid fanbase, I guess, and the media give him a great deal of coverage because the kind of white middle class squares who write for the music press think he's cool, but beyond that...

But people he's ours. Fucking OPENLY gay And the young guys are not threatened they love him..they endlessly meme about going gay for him if he drops the album. That's big. And not entirely or mainly his doing. It's a sign of the times (in the west!) But come the times comes the man or something I can't recall. He's cool. No two ways about it. Call that hipster shit but it's not it goes far beyond that narrow white middle class niche. He's talented. VERY super talented. And cool. But for genuine merit. Don't underestimate that. And OUT.

We made it.

Addendum to r273

And that's why Frank Ocean is the most culturally relevant and widely espected LGBT artist around today

Put some especk on Franks name

R274 yup a circle of life like an ocean flow

Since when is Frank openly GAY? I thought he was openly BI.

It's looking increasingly just gay, reading around the recent comments and writing/lyrics. Even the tiny minority of hold outs on Reddit and Ktt are coming round to the fact it wasn't just "he got feelings for his bro but he was confused and it's not like they had se or anything. He's straight" to accepting he's bi and defiantly defending it while the former bi-believers are calling "gay". I was betting on bi. Better for career if nothing else. But he ain't said the word or the other one but he's been as explicit as he could be without letting us exams his ..nvm..and we can't rexpect more if it's just not his aesthetic or whatever

Anyone here cop the his 360 page magazine I wanna know what his screenplay is like. Has his photography which I know is good from his insta days but he's been influenced the anti I-style style of trash like Wolfgang Tillmans and that brutalist and brutally dull aesthetic

Oh and it include a poem by Kanye "the McDonald's man" I think , ice already erased it from consciousness mid sentence. . How did we ever live..

His three fans on here are all heated up. He's this generation's Tevin Campbell.

R280 I'm feeling a light 4 for that diss

Meanwhile feast your starved eyes on this classy ass starter to the 17 course banquet laid out for Frank fam while your poverty favs have you flipping famine burger residue

^Now THAT my friends is how you do a CD case ! Fuck.

Frank likes his mags like he likes his men -- thick and slippery

...and BIGGGGGG

King of the coffee table book crew. All dem honours. All dem honours keep rolling in

R280 But that would mean his music is good and he has a good voice.

Confirmed Tevin Campbell fan at r286 meaning. there's still plenty of space on those no book having bookshelves and no art other than velvet Matadors having walls for Miss Tevins vast opus of masterworks. Or some one similar. Always endlessly someone similar. You people are poverty personified in mind and spirit.

Cultural elitism is not a bad thing people. In fact it's vital. for a Civilisation worth its name.

[quote]Cultural elitism is not a bad thing people. In fact it's vital. for a Civilisation worth its name.

How so?

How not so?

He's got one of those weirdly variably-attractive faces but when he looks fine he looks foine!!

The album is absolute garbage, the hipsters will love it.

r268 says it all. If it is anti-consumerism he is preaching, Im puzzled as to why he has released this exclusively through the icon of American consumerism, Apple? Gurl bye!

R293 makes a valid point.

I'll support his anti consumerism message and wait till it drops on Spotify. I'm going to eventually hear Frank's latest but I'm not paying extra for it. This is probably because I'm old and have lots of patience.

It looks like Blonde is #1 on itunes album chart so someone is buying it. Ironically the song from Channel Orange, Thinkin bout you is the only single I see charting on the itunes 200 singles chart. Still he got maximum publicity and buzz out of this so well done for him.

[quote] Most if not all hipster are 30 something, it's a 00 generation of music. I'm 19 and don't give a shit about hipster music, the truth is it is my parents music.

Hipsters have been around for generations, it's just the styles and music that changes. And being a 19 year old listening to "vintage 4ad shit" in 2016 is exactly how it starts, though proper elder hipsters would roll their eyes at Heaven or Las Vegas being your favorite.

BUT no one here said he was *criticising* consumerism any more than Warhol or Jeff Koons so fuck your straw man. He has a magazine glorifying super cars of which he personally and conspicuously luxuriates in. Fucking hell. I can't with the plebs tonight.

I want the physical. But I want to help it chart. But I don't want to pay twice. And I'm on the Apple Music 3 month trial period. And I'm holding out for bonus tracks.

Frank is a massive label queen, lustre brand ligger, and notoriously a designer groupie. He fux for tux..ask Tisci when his mouth his free of Kanye

*luxory brand ligger

*luxury damn AC

I was wondering if the lover on the album is about Tisci

I really wanted one of those magazines but I'd be tempted like these other guys not to open it and leave it sealed and I don't want to be that guy. I bet there are still Madonna Sex even now insured against nuclear attack in their protective Mylar and inside the face and tits rapidly grow younger and firmer like a Dorian Grey portrait in reverse.

[quote] Some embarassingly out-of-touch, culturally benighted old farts gonna be looking pretty damn stupid imminently

And by then you will be one of those old farts yourself.

[quote] I really wanted one of those magazines but I'd be tempted like these other guys not to open it and leave it sealed and I don't want to be that guy.

It's already all over ebay with prices up to $1,000. Madness! I wonder if anyone will ever open a copy of it. Can what's inside be more valuable than the resale value? Anyway, maybe a pdf will show up somewhere.

The new album is shit.

Frank Ocean's 'Blonde' Set for Third-Biggest Debut of 2016

Per Billboard.

Frank Ocean is already on his way to his first No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 chart with Blonde, and now industry forecasters say it will do so with the third-largest debut of 2016.

Sources suggest Blonde may start with around 275,000 equivalent album units earned in the week ending Aug. 25. In terms of opening weeks in 2016, that would stand behind only the arrivals of Drake’s Views (1.04 million units) and Beyonce’s Lemonade (653,000).

Nice

Nice! Good for him.

It moved 278k copies.

I was about 14 or 15 when the whole Brit pop scene was huge and every music journalist was hyping all the Brit-pop bands like the sun shone out of their holes and no one else every made music as great as this. Now almost 20 years you look back at those bands and the praise they received and you think, Really? And in time bands who flew under the radar and received hardly any attention the music press re now cited as the bands who made the best music of the 90s.

To me the likes of Frank Ocean, Bon Iver, Kayne West, Drake and Sufjan Stevens are the Brit Pop bands of today, hyped up to a ridiculous amount, but when I hear that music I know in 10 or 15 years time when the happening bands and trends have happened, people will be like, Really? I mean really?

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So who's his boyfriend?

Considering he's a snow queen, probably some AWG.

Looking so hot here and remarkably comfortably around that carnivorously carnivalesque cringe queen

^ *remarkably comfortable (or relatively so considering..)

I think we've possibly --just possibly -- got a future contender for Frank's throne. Some gossip is saying bi some saying straight.

Kevin Abstract :

old friend from high school hmu and told me he liked 'empty' and i told him 'thanks, i used to have a crush oh u' glad thats out the way 1 day ago - Twitter

He's definitely biting off Frank's style to a degree but I ain't mad. Steal from the best I say. I love that he directed this video and that's it's already getting so much critical buzz. The single is out Friday I hope y'all will stream it and get the numbers up. This is sooo fucking positive for the culture.

Kevin i(sans crazy hair colour) is so much more fuckable than Frank. I only ever want to cheer up,, cuddle and protect Frank.

....

I would

Only 20. So much potential

Oh and Kevin's got the same management that Frank once had, and some of the same creative team.

R95 You prefer Freddie to downgrade his profile by coming out, over making homoerotic songs and performances a BIG part of millions of kids, teens and adults' lives?

Infiltration, do you dig?

R327 No I think he played it superbly well with a nod and a wink to those in the know -- surprisingly fewer than in number than hindsight paints -- but after a certain point post/AIDS that coyness was indefensible and iwas solely a multi millionair protecting his potential to make further million particularly in the U.S. He could've been a bigger game changer while alive But hey he was an artist not an activist.

Kevin Abstract is a perfect blend both musically aesthetically and even -- uncannily -- physically of Frank Ocean + Donald Glover AKA Childish Gambino. And yet somehow he's able to be make it work and be more than a hybrid clone because he has that extra "it" factor or relevancy potential that's garnering buzz even this early.

LOL I hope this is fake it would be tragic if not ..Frank's mini me..but oh well he was only 17 or 18. And he's a massive Frank fan even queuing up for the mag -- whic clears up that rumours I read about Frank being his boyfriend ...unless Frank is *that* stingy. (Although in an interview of a year or two back Kevin said he was in a long distance relationship...(London?????) so there's that! lol

Kaytranada has also come out as homosexual/queer. He's amazing and very popular. Kevin Abstract is great too.

R331 Wow. Fuck. I had no idea! I've slept on that dude after quickly dismissing one track Imma give it more exploration. What with this and queer is straight guys like Young Thug Yachty the culture has changed for damn sure and in no small part due to Frank. If only the likes of Luthor and Billy Preston could have lived to see this

*queerish straight guys (or "straight" ? )

I was here first, bitches !

Not to be a party pooper, but I thought the video was WAY more interesting than the song. He may have a somewhat similar style to Frank, but I don't think he's at Frank's level of songcraft and production. Judging by this song at least.

Also, what's with the "rumored to be bi/gay" stuff? He's getting blown by a high school football player in his self-directed video. As far as we've come, there's no way a straight artist is going to do that.

Oh, and, the video's dedicated "in loving memory of Summer LaBeouf. Any idea who Summer LaBeouf is? Here's his Twitter account. With lots of pictures of Kevin Abstract and he's still tweeting as of a few hours ago, so I assume that he's still alive...

Oh shiiiiit! I just found out through that Kaytranada wiki that MNEK is gay..holy shit..I had my strong suspicions a couple of years ago from a few of his covers on soundcloud inc George Michael! Fuck we got all the talents. Now if only Sampha could be persuaded to be gay lol

R333 The times have changed look at Young thug in his skirts and calling his homie his boyfriends. These times are as much about trolling as anything an a game of homochicken is in line with that

Yeah of course Frank is in another league but he's got 8 yrs on this guy a more useful comparison is Frank's Lonny Breaux stuff a lot of which is absolute shit despite what blinkered stans say (and I'm a stan myself). Kevin's first album is kinda objectively bad as is his singing but he was 17 or 18 and it sounds cheap. If this is representative of his album he's really onto something. This track is good but not profound in a forest Gump way. Lol Poor guy is can't escape the comparisons.

People check out MNEK. Nothing deep and profound he's saying but his vocals and pop sensibilities are off the fucking chart.

MNEK

I think MNEK's client-list as a songwriter and producer was pretty telling... Madonna, Kylie Minogue, Clean Bandit, JoJo etc.

R341 Yet but similar could be said about Ne-Yo ....oh wait

This thread remains valid only as long as Craig David remains heterosexual

Craig David. Damn, there's a name I haven't heard since I was a college freshman.

Apparently he's on the rise again

Craig David's comeback album is due on the 30th and is co produced with Kaytranada who is also a featured artist. MNEK has writing credits....as does Bieber who cites David as reason he got into the biz ...and also why Craig David deserves to be tried as a war criminal

Hobbity gay Woodkid has produced Mykii Blanco's (gay or trans, black or Jew, rapper or metal???? -- throw a six to start ) first album (unbelievably) is out imminently. But I think post-gaga flop era whose got time for oh-so-edgy avant-garde genderfuck pretentiousness. Not when It's in every other bathroom apparently. Leave that shit to the new breed of gangsta rappers

*and It is out imminently

WTF Craig David looks like shit..tragically so

Mykki Blanco debut album is out

Wasn't feeling that Mykki Blanco album one bit...certainly not as catchy as his HIV

Frank is no longer the coolest after that world champion skater dude with the uber masc voice came out as gay :(

Who's his bf now?

Interesting interview. It seems like he is better suited to be just a producer, behind the scenes. He obviously enjoys having money, but being famous and dealing with business seem to stress him out.

Slide, with Calvin Harris and Migos

Hot Joint

Great song

I'm sorry, but that song is a blatant rip off of John Cage

Tired snow queen. Next!

Huh?

Boss

true to frank ocean, asap rocky dropped two versions of his single "raf" featuring lil uzi, quavo, and frank himself

RAF.

Lil Yachty x Frank Ocean

Hipsters love Frank

Pink

Frank with Lupa Sabbat and Kendall Jenner

Luka Sabbat

Finger

Hot guy

Sexy

Cute

Frank Ocean singing 'Nikes' tonight at FYF Fest while @asvpxrocky watched 😭

Brad Pitt at Frank Ocean concert last night

Last night, Frank Ocean headlined FYF 2017 in Los Angeles. At one point, while Ocean sang the soul classic “Never Can Say Goodbye,” Brad Pitt appeared on stage. As Ocean performed, Pitt gave a subdued performance of his own, seemingly talking on a phone as his image appeared on the stage’s giant screens. Watch it happen below. In a recent interview with GQ Style, Pitt revealed that Ocean’s music has been part of his listening rotation. “I've been listening to a lot of Frank Ocean,” he said. “I find this young man so special. Talk about getting to the raw truth. He's painfully honest. He's very, very special. I can't find a bad one.”

He is boss

last night

He is so cute and cool

Watching Frank Ocean Sing 'Close to You' To Brad Pitt Onstage Is Magical

LOVe how he is just doing his thing without labels

Boss

he is very sexy and has swag

Tshirt

Frank rules

[quote]Love the way the gay men and the LGBT trans crowd try to claim a bisexual man when it's convenient

If you fuck 100 men and 1 woman, you're gay.

Love hot bi and fluid bros

Hope to meet him

Frank is 🔥

He is the biggest role model for masculine bi and straight dudes. He lives a pretty integrated, mainstream lifestyle and is accepted by largely urban young male fans.

Frank Ocean was spotted at the fight with his close friend Memo Guzman.

Great masculine role model

Sexy

Great To have masculine black men who love men in the public sphere

Sexy

Nice

The word "artist"in the headline is inappropriate for this thread.

Shut up, Franzis, jealous bitch R396

R397 My work is still played and loved almost 200 years after I joined the angels.

My work has two things lost in the modern cacophony— melody and delicacy.

R396 is an old white effeminate. Clueless.

Hmmmm

With his boyfriend Memo

Frank pushing some girls out of the way to get to Memo

Cute, but isn’t Frank a bottom? The bf is so much smaller than him

Ansel

Ansel

Frank's poem 'Boyfriend'

r410 Cute but also kinda garbage.

HE Is so hot

Both Frank and Timothée Chalamet are at Coachella right now, maybe they'll cross paths and Timothée will get a chance to fanboy about it.

Pics?

R414 Timothée is there hanging out with Nicki Minaj, Shania Twain, Quavo, French Montana and The Weeknd lol. People have seen Frank there but no pictures yet.

[quote]Frank Ocean just casually strolling back and forth in the Artist Compound at Coachella. im cool but not really that cool right now cause he’s my spirit animal

[quote]aiight now that i’ve had some sleep I can admit there was more to the Frank Ocean sighting. the 2nd time he walked by I definitely ran up, touched his arm and said some weird fan shit. Judge me if you want, but its like spotting Tupac riding a Unicorn down Flatbush Ave

They’re talking about seeing him right now on the Coachella youtube channel in a backstage live stream thing, he apparently wore a surgical mask.

Frank at Coachella.

So cool

He doesn’t smile often

Frank Ocean out-hipsters everyone

I miss the days when he was beefing with Chris Brown. I cannot get into his music, so he needs to be in some drama queen foolishness for me to pay attention. He should date guys publicly too, it would make him more interesting.

I always go back to this Only You cover, it's so groovy and he changed the lyrics “So I got a woman” to "So I got a new man".

You couldn't even get into Chanel, R422? It's so good and I always force it on people who say they aren't into Frank's music lol.

R422 Yeah Frank is super private about everything so I don't expect any public relationship anytime soon, but he does sing about Memo and even posted a picture of him on his tumblr. His most recent post is of some strange song on youtube with the caption "dunno why this song makes me very happy. it scares memo haha". He's obviously fine with people knowing about him/them.

I always thought Frank would go for guys his age or older, Memo is only 21/22 and they’ve been dating for a while (2+ years)

What does Memo do for a living?

R427 He goes to university judging from his instagram stories

Coachella

I wanna see Frank kiss Memo

Was the boyfriend poem at R410 about Memo?

I love Frank’s long hair, I hope he doesn’t cut it

R432 I liked his short blue hair.

R432

R432 Pink.

R420 But when he does...

R420

He also had green hair on the Blonde cover, R435

Frank is definitely my type of man. I don't usually care about models or celebrities but this guy is so cute and hot in a very deep level.

Frank is hot and intelligent, if he was white DL would be all over him

He’s hot to death

r437 those glasses and that smile !! he looks like a hot english teacher

R438 The green hair was great.

R422 Those were the days, Frank writing this was hilarious.

[quote]frank ocean is not a gangster and does not gangbang. & has no idea how to react to paparazzi, other than to drive away. sorry if i disappointed any fans who thought i was the type to fight in the middle of the streetand shit. also for the record, i never went to anyone’s dance rehearsal looking for anyone. in fact, i didn’t even know you could find gangsters at dance rehearsals. but it’s resolved. all is seemingly well. this isn’t worth escalating any further. just had to put this on my timeline as a memorial of some of the weakest shit i’ve experienced in this business so far. hopefully its really over. jah bless. ***annnd back to scheduled programming

Frank and Memo were in Elon Musk’s hyperloop

OH I didn’t know it is under construction

Frank and Memo in September 2016.

Young Frank with his mom

Frank's dad is so embarrassing, what a deadbeat.

Frank better not turn out to be a baby Kanye!

[quote]throwback to when riccardo tisci (the creative director of givenchy) slept with frank ocean after the met gala then posted these pictures on instagram

DOES he have an Instagram account?

R454 @blonded, but it’s private. He comments on his boyfriend’s posts sometimes as well as his mother and little brother

[quote]Frank better not turn out to be a baby Kanye!

You rang?

HEhe

Frank and his mom in Venice.

Purity, it's so good.

NIce

I’m starting to think that everything Frank touches automatically turns into gold R460 is 🔥

R462 This is true.

A beautiful dude

His boyfriend being cute on twitter, Christopher + Memo.

[quote]c+m ❤️

While most of us can recall being asked if we “knew our school books like we knew those songs”, it seems there are even more ways to master a knowledge of both. UC Berkely student Preya Gill tweeted that her school recently approved a proposal for a course based around atl-R&B fave Frank Ocean, aptly titled “Brain Like Berkeley”. Gill, along with fellow second-year student Deborah Chang, started developing the course after being paired up as roommates and quickly bonding over Ocean's music. "When we found out that Berkeley accepts student-taught courses, we immediately saw the potential Frank Ocean’s artistry offers."

The course will reportedly cover the singer's "artistic history, upbringing, background, musical influences, artist identity, and the way he challenges dominant social concepts such as toxic-masculinity and gender politics," Gill and Chang, who will also be instructing the course, told The FADER over email.

"We want to encourage a deep literary exploration of his artistry both in lyrics and through his visuals and live performances. We hope to provide a safe environment where students can discuss his poetry and music with sensitivity, creative respect, and open-mindedness," the pair said.

The world’s most in-depth music podcast is taking on Frank Ocean.

According to Gill's recent tweets, even Ocean's family approves of the upcoming course. "Frank Ocean’s brother Ryan and mother Katonya have expressed their support for our course and even shared the tweet to their accounts," they said.

The women say UC Berkeley students will be able to sign up for the course as of August on the school's website. As for the rest of us? "We will consider live streaming options and posting our course material online to share with the world!"

Bump

When should we expect new music from him? Channel Orange was released sex years ago yesterday

Blonde>Channel Orange though

[quote]in honor of the 6th anniversary of channel orange here’s frank winning a grammy for it in 2013

Shawn Mendes covering Thinkin’ Bout You

Frank in soho

Frank Ocean recording his contribution to “911 / Mr. Lonely”

An early take of Frank’s chorus on “Where This Flower Blooms.”

New hair.

He’s so reclusive

R477 It’s simultaneously his best and worst quality lol

Tumblr post, next to Divine.

[quote]me&mom 🤩

Dream boyfriend

Travis Scott - CAROUSEL feat. Frank Ocean

Nice

He says he's bisexual, but when was the last time he had a girlfriend? Every photo I've seen of him in the past several years has been around gay men.

Most of men he hangs with are not gay

R487 He’s never said he’s bisexual, apparently he/his team asked wiki to take him off the ‘bisexual singers’ page

T487 he’s had a boyfriend for three or so years and seems to only have hooked up with guys prior to him

At a wedding

His hair is out of control with that color

R487 / R490 Pretty sure he dated Alycia Bellamy (up until 2015 I think). Didn't really care about him at the time so I don't know the details but it seems to be widely as a fact in his fanbase.

^ widely accepted as a fact, I mean.

Frank looking tiny

I don't know him.

I love frank's music, why he gotta be so mysterious though lol

Still don't know who he is.

[quote]"the cease and desist wasn't about 🔊 it was about 🏳️‍🌈"

The Amanda Lepore thing?

Frank outside the Apple event on September 13.

He is so hot

When will he release something new that isn’t a feature on someone else’s album... I can only play Moon River so much

R502 Yeah I think it’s about Travis being trans/homophobic. Frank has worked with homophobes in the past though, Migos etc

He looks more muscled in that pic

He has a great body.

The name confuses me with Billy Ocean. So out of curiosity, I googled to see if Billy is gay and came out. Not quite, the asswipe is an anti-gay fundie.

Shot by Wolfgang Tillmans, who he's hooked up with.

by Michael Mayren.

Love his stoic demeanor

Frank is beautiful

Travis’ response

Huh?

If Frank and Travis already solved it why the cease and desist?

Cute

Moon River music video directed by Spike Jonze coming soon.

Love Moon River but it was released in February, why is Frank so slow with everything 😩

I know right, bruh

He needs to stop this cuoy mess

Bump

I love Frank but he's boring af, he has us all starving, I mean look at this thread it was started in 2016, 2 years later and still isn't filled up, that's how little content we have to even talk about, not musically nor personal. Thankfully I'm also a Tyler fan, and rn it's a good time to be a Tyler fan lol

I just wish Frank didn't take that long to come out with and album or something

I agree. I’m Bored by his recluse persona.

Frank's mother, shot by Frank.

How did a douchey, homophobic thread for gay-bashing reach 529 posts on a pro-gay website?

time for this recluse to release some new music.... frank is probably the most talented artist alive yet he stays doing nothing lmao

r529 his mom is so beautiful, their faces are really similar especially when they smile

His Mom is beautiful

He's in London.

Tumblr post

Frank is respected, I agree, but culturally relevant he is not. He's a niche act. Just compare his net worth with that of true musical mega stars.

He’s fine

Happy 31st Frank. IG post from his mom

Bright. Kind. Gifted. Talented. Loyal. Empathetic. Supportive. Generous. Son. Big brother. Friend. Amazing human being. Gay.

From his brother’s ig story

His Paris Is Burning themed birthday party last year

Wow

Blonded radio live right now.

Frank can drop a new blonded radio but not new music..? I’m glad he’s encouraging people to vote though, unlike Tyler lol

Frank saying that he wouldn't mind getting taxed more is a straight-up lie lmao

R547 well it would be on brand for him

“A lot more essential listening coming today” hmmm

If you voted you can get free merch from Frank.

Taco ending his set at CFG with Self Control was beautiful.

Frank’s boyfriend was at CFG with friends judging from his ig stories this weekend

Frank finally made his instagram public! So many posts.

[quote]Very gay bookshelf soon

Cozy

Frank is a dreamboat

News lol.

Frank started following this model on IG, he’s cuter than his current boyfriend

Hanging out

Evan Mock

WHO??

can't wait for new music

He’s such a boss!

[quote]FaceTimes in Babushka

February issue of GQ.

Article:

Dude, no one knows who the hell he is.

R573 ? Frank Ocean is popular, even my dad listens to him

R574 Where do you live where you’ve managed to avoid his music?

You sound old R573

Who is his boyfriend?

R573, you really revealed how out of touch and uncool you are, dude.

This guy R577, they've been together for years now.

Frank's poem 'Boyfriend'.

Loved his take on Moon River

Boss

With Timothée Chalamet at the Louis Vuitton show in Paris.

Sweet

Bros

He's coming out with a new album.

So goodlooking

Frank Ocean teased new music with SZA, Kendrick Lamar, and Andre 3000 on his Tumblr. March 1st. 👀

Kid Cudi

Sweet

French

Part Two