Why do so many gays want to live in Palm Springs?

They enjoy the availability of sexual partners and medical facilities that provide topnotch treatments for HIV/AIDs and other STDs.

I'm leaving Palm Springs for good. I lasted a decade, but it's hell on earth. Way too many homeless camps, crime out of control, it's HOT May through October....it's not just a few months of heat.

Where are you going, R2? It seems like a good place for eldergays, but so very hot!

Are there a lot of younger guys there?

[quote]I'm leaving Palm Springs for good.

Where ya goin?

What's an EG?

[quote]Are there a lot of younger guys there?

Yes

If you are rich with good air conditioning stay where you are.

I've heard it's a great place to retire. I don't intend to gravitate toward the bar scene when I'm old, so I really don't care that the bars are kinda lame there. I've spent time there in the fall and in the spring, but I've never experienced any time there in the summer, so I'm a little concerned. But I do love a Mediterranean climate, so I think I would actually be fine with it.

Why does anyone live in a gay cocoon? It's for guys who are shallow and have no interest in anyone or anything that isn't gay. If that means they have to live in hellish heat for half the year, so be it.

[quote] But I do love a Mediterranean climate, so I think I would actually be fine with it.

Palm Springs does not have a Mediterranean climate. It's the desert.

[quote]Why does anyone live in a gay cocoon?

Because the world of heterosexual is a sick and boring life.

Thank you, aunt Ida.

Over 100 degree weather 7 months a year. THE meth and heroin gateway of the West. No thanks. I'll pass.

They look fat, R7.

He asked for young, R15.

the politics of Florida are a huge turn off to me. I'd never want to take my chances as a gay person in a Florida hospital.

I use my La Quinta home as a home base for travel. I lock up the house and leave with no worries. SF for a week, Oregon, Seattle, British Columbia, California coast, all so convenient. Love it here.

Palm Springs is in California, R17.

Dallas and Houston are 90-100 degrees from May thru October, as well.

I can't go anywhere in the summer without soaking through my shirt.

What if you hate dealing with winter and snow? Are there other options out there for living in a nice city with a large percentage of gays? I've already decided that I prefer Palm Springs to Wilton Manors. I can't imagine I'd want to live in Texas. What's left? Santa Fe?

R18 I want to be like you. I just need a big push to get me motivated.

r21 San Francisco.

It's running our of water. Good luck with surviving

I never understood the appeal of living in ANY desert. Palm Springs is a fucking nightmare in the Summer.

Well, besides Palm Springs there are Other Desert Cities.

OP is going to Reno to shoot a man, just to watch him die.

Not for me, I like the ocean.

PS became popular with post-HIV treatment, internet bubble gays from SF. They could buy the kind of mid-century modern places that had gone out of favor in the 70s and 80s for relatively little money. The real money had moved to other towns nearby and PS drew spring breakers, weekending families and a lot of other non-showbiz, non money types. Basically, its like Ft Lauderdale, but with fewer coach surfing young guys living marginal lives.

It seems hot and unattractive to me, but I don't really care about winter and I prefer living someplace that has culture and isn't isolated and environmentally unsustainable.

In 2012, 13 and 14, I was there in March/April. I really like the place and put PS on my list of possible places to retire. In 2015 I was there in late June. PS is no longer on my list of possible places to retire. Powerfully hot and not a whole lot of activity anywhere.

I just visited Palm Springs and aside from a block or two decent for strolling, I thought it had little to offer ... and it was too hot. Worse than PS is Phoenix ... what a crappy city that it!

[quote]Worse than PS is Phoenix ... what a crappy city that it!

Oh, God...everywhere's so awful.

R32, Apache Junction is glorious.

I've found PS to be the place that the HIV+ crowd tends to migrate to after their diagnosis. It is like they feel as if they now belong to a kind of fraternity and PS is the frat house! They feel welcome down there due to the city's lower sexual standards - being that Hot Desert Knights (the POZ PORN company that produces markets legal, yet ethically dubious, SNUFF films) has their headquarters and production compounds located there. It is supposedly a rite of passage for a new POZZIE PS resident to be granted an invitation to either watch an HDK filming or get invited to one of their "anything goes into every hole" breeding and conversion parties. Frankly, I think the whole town is a bit "unwell", if you know what I mean... But in the end (no pun intended) - you make your bed, you burn in it...

You've never lived until you've been barebacked in a canyon.

Yes R34, I've heard it referred to as Poz Springs a couple of times.

All I know is that the locals are colorful and that it's 133 degrees in Hellmouth.

WAKE UP PEOPLE, the whole fucking city is nothing but an AIDS HOSPICE! It is the only place in America where instead of asking; "what's your sign?, they ask "what's your viral load?" - almost every diner serves apple pie a la mode with TRUVADA instead of ice cream. If you're looking for a town so teeming with the dying and any STD you can think of then PS is the place!

The final refuge.

The Coachella Valley is a great place to spend the winter months. I let the help know I'm arriving in December so they can get my house overlooking the fairway ready. Once I enter the guarded gates, I never leave the grounds of the Thunderbird Country Club until it's time to head to the airport at the end of March. I love the Desert Empire.

POZ SPRINGS, THE BIGGEST LIVING GRAVEYARD ON EARTH.

CRAWLING WITH AIDS ZOMBIES

And just where do the HIV positive deserve to live, R41 & R38?

Like most resort cities - it's fine for a few days, but I don't know how I could live there. I feel the same about Wilton Manors - so similar. But PS is nicer.

Why is there NO WHERE in the US to retire to? I guess I have to do a mind reset and realize there are always going to be things you give up.

All you poor delicate snowflakes. While you are digging the Chevy Citation out of 14-foot-high snowdrifts, we in Palm Springs are sitting out on the patio under the misters, poolside, sipping whiskey sours and using FlightTracker on our tablets to watch the various planes soar high above your homes in Flyover Land.

Palm Springs just hasn't been the same since Sonny was mayor.

I'd live in fucking Antarctica before I'd live in Palm Springs.

Not since Gene Autry R45!

The cost of living is very reasonable. Compared to big cities real estate is cheap.its small and easy to get around. The dining scene is good. All reasons it's a retirement haven.

The heat is unbelievable most of the year and, due to development, it is no longer exclusively dry heat. I visited a friend with a condo in Palm Desert and the heat had buckled a lot of the furniture. Anything with a veneer or with glued components was ruined. And ants kept invading no matter what he did.

The ants are taking over.

Older women can't stand the heat once they hit menopause. That's what it's all men living in PS. The only men who like living completely without women are gay. Hence, gay retirement community.

R40, you life sounds like pure hell...never leaving a huge gated golf community. And Thunderbird is in Rancho Mirage, a cesspool of repukes. No thanks a lot.

[quote]due to development, it is no longer exclusively dry heat

Oh, God.....there's nowhere left to go!!

[quote] Anything with a veneer or with glued components was ruined. And ants kept invading no matter what he did.

I know the feeling!

Why do people feel the need to retire somewhere? I was born in Maine and lived there my whole life. Except when I was in the military for six years. I don't ever want to be more than a 50 mile radius from my home and my things. Why oh why oh why to people want to retire where it's hot? The way Palm Springs sounds it makes it seem as if nature is trying to kill you. OMG it sounds fucking horrible. Try a little of this. Then you think you'd want to live where there aren't that many people anyway. People fucking suck.

Have you trashed Palm Springs enough or shall we get to 100?

[quote]The way Palm Springs sounds it makes it seem as if nature is trying to kill you. OMG it sounds fucking horrible

EVERYWHERE sounds horrible on DL.

[quote]They feel welcome down there due to the city's lower sexual standards - being that Hot Desert Knights (the POZ PORN company that produces markets legal, yet ethically dubious, SNUFF films) has their headquarters and production compounds located there. It is supposedly a rite of passage for a new POZZIE PS resident to be granted an invitation to either watch an HDK filming or get invited to one of their "anything goes into every hole" breeding and conversion parties.

I don't think Hot Desert Knights has made or released a new video in MANY years. Are they even still in business?

[R42] = you pose the question - "And just where do the HIV positive deserve to live?" I am here to provide you with the penultimate answer to your inquiry, so without further fanfare; I give you the answer and it is very simple:

THEY DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE!!!

There you go - question answered. :) Anything else you need to know, just ask me, I promise you nothing but truth.

Thanks r53. I REALLY appreciate what you did there. Let's see. Meth, crack, heroin, unrelenting heat, bears that look like extras from Deliverance, half the population has pinup posters of Ayn Paul Ryan. Did I mention meth?

The only way I'd live there is if I morphed into a monstrosity of Whitney Houston, Kim Richards, Stacey Dash, Michelle Bachmann, Michael Lucas, GEORGE LUCAS, ChiChi LaRue, Mariah Carey and Estelle Getty. And that bitches AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

I went to Palm Springs' pride last year and hated it. It just seemed lame and tired. Met a couple locals and they were cool but there was nothing going on there .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[quote]I am here to provide you with the penultimate answer to your inquiry.

You don't know what penultimate means. It doesn't mean ultimate or final.

it was 122 in Palm Springs yesterday. Fuck. No.

I visited PS in January, it was quite lovely, but there's limited activities. I enjoyed PS, will go back at different times of the year to get a different experience.

It's a lot quieter in the summer. Many businesses have reduced hours (or are closed for the season.) Everything's less crowded.

It actually reached 124 today, unreal.

That heat is not good for those with Aids who are running temperatures of 104f.

r38 is correct. Literally everyone in Palm Springs has the AIDS or some kind of deadly oozing STD. Literally. Every one.

Down valley, where the illegal Mexicans live, it's mostly the Ebola or the Zika. You can't swing a cat in Palm Desert without hitting a pin headed Zika baby. Although, every one of the Indians in Indian Wells (feather not dot) have the eye cancer. (not the dripping kind). Funny thing, that.

Anywhere that hot which isn't by the sea is going to putrefy eventually.

Is Santa Fe NM any good?

Earrings

and

CAFTANS!

Why do people feel like they have to relocate when they retire?

Gretchen, stop trying to make "EGs" happen! It's not going to happen!

[quote]Literally everyone in Palm Springs has the AIDS or some kind of deadly oozing STD. Literally. Every one.

Even Hitler's propaganda ministry wasn't as good as DL at decimating a people and a place.

There's not a single city in the world that escapes the DL hatred.

Start at thread about ANYWHERE and watch it happen.

[quote]Is Santa Fe NM any good?

Start a thread about it and then... wait.

[quote]Even Hitler's propaganda ministry wasn't as good as DL at decimating a people and a place.

I assumed that R68 was trying to be funny (and failing, obviously), since his statements are so absurdly false that no one could take them seriously.

[quote]since his statements are so absurdly false that no one could take them seriously.

R76 = dim-witted.

[quote]Why do so many gays want to live in Palm Springs?

Misery loves company.

R9 Palm Springs is not in the Mediterranean; it's in California, in the Coachella Valley.

R79, you strangely dense person, a Mediterranean climate isn't just confined to the Med. It tends to mean mild winters and long hot summers.

R6 EG=elderly gays

there's always Pendleton Oregon or Walla Walla Washington

I live here because it has more soul-mates per capita than any other town

Palm Springs does not have a Mediterranean climate. It is in a low desert that comprises all of the Coachella Velley to the Salton Sea.

Is Cathedral City as nice as Palm Springs? Just as gay?

"Literally. Every one."

Stupidity.

R85 Cathedral City is a bit more downscale. The worst is Desert Hot Springs, then Indio. Most of the other cities (Rancho Mirage, Palm Desert, Indian Wells, La Quinta) are nicer than Palm Springs, but not as gay.

But I love the Desert Hot Springs Spa Hotel with their 8 pools of different sizes and temperatures, all mineral water with no chlorine, spotlessly clean and only $3 to swim there on Tuesdays... that's paradise no matter what the rest of Desert Hot Springs is like.

The ideal retirement life for a gay man would be to live in Palm Springs from November to April, then in Guerneville, California from May to October. Both small towns, both pretty in their own ways, both overly friendly to gays.

Guernevillie is much more of a "small town" than Palm Springs.

I do love that Guerneville is closer to Healdsburg and world-class wine tasting~!

R91 what makes it world-class?

Sonoma and Napa have some of the finest wineries in the world.

[quote]But I do love a Mediterranean climate,...

Somebody needs a one-way bus ticket out of the trailer park.

I prefer souther Oregon wines to Napa and Sonoma.

R94 how do you mean?

Has anyone done the Napa wine train thing?

Never did the wine train thing, but did rent bikes in Healdsburg and rode around from winery to winery! It was lovely!

Stocked up on picnic supplies from this store - best sandwiches ever!

It's only good as a Winter resort for those wealthy enough to have more than one home.

Where are the "springs" in Palm Springs? Are there hot springs? Fresh water springs?

Bed springs.

Santa Clara and Alameda counties have great wineries too. Wente Brothers in Livermore and Savannah-Chanelle, Mountain Winery and Big Basin all in Saratoga.

Palm Springs is a snake pit.

R100 They're giving out palm oil with every purchase of a new springboard Rose.

Well I for one WELCOME our new Ant Overlords R50!

Remember when Rock Hudson had an adjoining bungalow with the Ricardos and the Mertzes?

R105 what in hell does that have to do with Palm Springs or Napa Valley or Coachella valley?

There ARE hot springs in the Palm Springs area.

R106: In the "Ricky Goes To Hollywood" episodes of "I Love Lucy", Lucy and Ethel take a vacation in Palm Springs. They meet Rock Hudson by the pool at their resort.

(If you watch the episode, watch Rock make his way to the girls then stop to "chat" with an attractive young man by the pool.)

I've been there in May and in early fall. It's not cool, but most of the time it's in the 90s, and believe me, after suffering through Chicago summers, 10% humidity is still preferable. And before 9 and/or after 5, it's more temperate (when the sun is behind the mountain).

That being said, there's three and a half solid months a year where the temperature is at or above 100 for several hours a day, and at least 4 to 6 of those weeks where it's just fucking HOT 24/7, 110 or above.

I love it for a few reasons - scale (you can go from PS to Palm Desert pretty quickly), and the fact that you can get a pretty beautiful mid century modern house for what is, compared to other cities, an affordable price.

There are negatives. All of CA surprises me in terms of the amount of street and homeless people, and how often people seem not to care. Also, the aesthetics are pretty awful. Men's clothing stores there are all Who Shot The Tablecloth and Turned It Into This Shirt?

I'm considering it for retirement, but I'd definitely have to live in a relatively inexpensive place for 4 months or so of the year. Since I'm from the Rust Belt I think I might be able to swing both.

I know it might be considered cheesy or "touristy," but I do love taking the aerial tram from Palm Springs all the way up to Mt. San Jacinto (where it is usually 20 - 30 degrees cooler).

Idyllwild is a nice mountain getaway, too.

R110 I've done Idyllwild but never the tram. Some day ...

I'm thinking I'd like to retire in PS. But I don't think my partner & I could do the entire summer. So we'll probably take that opportunity to rent a place for a month or so in somewhat less oppressively hot places, like Ptown or Tuscany, or Northern CA. I'm thinking it might be a bit too much to work ourselves to death in order to own two properties. And I say this as a 50-something with our mortgage paid off and comfortable savings. I'd rather experience a little variety in my old(er)-age.

Now you can tear me apart, bitches.

There is a narrow strip of Mediterranean Climate along the coast of SoCal, but it sure as hell doesn't extend to Palm Springs, which is Subtropical Desert.

Are there better alternatives in the Southwest for retirement? Would the San Diego area be a better choice? Or the coastline north of LA?

R1 has it right. There's your answer.

R114 What can you afford and how "retired" do you want to be?

[quote] [R1] has it right

It may be a surprise, but not all of us pass our pussies around like it's a free for all candy dish.

Some of us are in a relationship and monogamous. We don't pick places to live on the basis of whether some random stranger will blast a load on our face at 3 am.

I cant understand why anyone would live in California in retirement, esp on a fixed income, like SocSec. It's very expensive & has very high taxes.

it's FAB

[quote] I cant understand why anyone would live in California in retirement, esp on a fixed income, like SocSec. It's very expensive & has very high taxes.

It seems like many of the residents share a home, if not with their husbands then with friends. May cut down on costs and make it more affordable.

the place is crawling with man whores

[quote] the place is crawling with man whores

I really don't understand the shrill cuntiness about this. I've been there 20+ times in the last 5 years and have never seen this.

Then again, I have never been there during Pride week or spent a second in the dive bars in town.

But "teeming with whores" seems to be a bit of a stretch.

[quote]Some of us are in a relationship and monogamous.

Heaven's waiting-room essentially.

Are there actually monogamous gay couples?

To hear one of my exes talk, it has something to do with the Giant Pecan Caramel Cinnamon Rolls at Billy Reed's.

Is that place still gay central on Sunday morning?

It had a certain charm.

Here I thought Gay Central was Sherman's.

Manhattan in the Desert is much better than Sherman's.

What is considered "reasonable" housing prices in PS ?

I live there part time for the reason we're accepted. Anyone past 50 has had a hard life and it's truly liberating to know you're in a town with a Gay mayor and a Gay City Council. Sex is there but generally middle aged gays. For sure it's often hot but not like Florida hot.

Easy hub for travel. Home prices run the gamut. PS, CC-Mission Hills $300k and up, Indian Wells about $800k and up, La Quinta gated $1.2mm and up. Specialty areas like Thunderbird Heights, the Madison, Vintage Club, Big Horn, Tradition, Andalusia are muli-million $ price. Lock and leave.

Is Coco's still in business? They always had good breakfasts.

I want one of the MCM homes there. Can't imagine living in a gated community.

Coco's is gone.

[R112] sweet sentiments you express but in PS it all boils down to one thing and one thing only; what is your VIRAL LOAD?

I guess I'm in a circle of more classy, elegant people that aren't whores or barflies, then, since I would never think to think "viral load" when discussing Palm Springs.

R136 how do you mean?

Hot on the heels of viral load is WHAT IS YOUR CD4 COUNT

[quote]It seems like many of the residents share a home, if not with their husbands then with friends. May cut down on costs and make it more affordable.

Just like the Golden Girls! Someone pitch the sitcom...

I remember from the HGTV thread that some queen did exactly that - shared with 5 room mates

The average CD4 count in Palm Springs is 23.

There are power outages all the time because every single resident is running a temperature of 104F and has the a/c turned down to its coldest setting.

[quote] All you poor delicate snowflakes. While you are digging the Chevy Citation out of 14-foot-high snowdrifts, we in Palm Springs are sitting out on the patio under the misters, poolside, sipping whiskey sours and using FlightTracker on our tablets to watch the various planes soar high above your homes in Flyover Land.

Doesn't that make YOU the delicate snowflake, for not being able to deal with... er...snowflakes?

I can't bear heat.

But you can find so many soulmates here!

meow meow meow

R141 doesn't understand how fevers work.

[quote] Why oh why oh why to people want to retire where it's hot?

Because they get arthritis and can't rake the leaves or shovel the snow anymore. They can't repair the winter damage to the exterior of the house. Their reflexes aren't what they were and they're afraid to drive on icy roads, especially at night.

The elderly gays in Palm Springs are very "elite" just ask them. They enjoy the company of the young white and Hispanic gays who have low-paying hospitality or gardening jobs. They also pay to have access to the clothing optional "resorts" where you can go polar bear hunting if that is your bag. Last time I was in PS, there was a hot guy getting fisted on the back patio of the leather bar whose name I can't recall, such is nightlife on a Saturday night in PS. If you are into 58 year old pathetic closet cases look up "Jay Spadafore", he broke my heart so I guess he deserves this.

FYI I live at the Hideway in La Quinta which is about 35 minutes from P S. I have a rattler by the pool who seems very agitated. It is very unnerving to see this. Living in the desert tries have its drawbacks. That is all.

Actually the body loses its ability to regulate temperature.

As, R113 said, SoCal is a HUGE swath of land. Part of is desert (Palm Springs), part of is Mediterranean (LA). This is rather easy to compute, I'd think.

"And just where do the HIV positive deserve to live, [R41] & [R38]? "

I'm neither of those posters, but I'd suggest Chappaqua, New York

R2 I have friends who "retired" to Palm Springs in the Fall of 2014. They lasted barely over a year, citing similar problems. They'd previously owned two homes (each guy had one when they married a few years ago). They sold the one in the Hollywood Hills to buy the one in Palm Springs, but kept the one in South Bay as a rental. They soon found out that the vacations they used to take in Palm Springs didn't translate to living there full-time. As soon as they could, they ended the lease on their rental home and moved back to the coast. I don't think they lost any money selling the place in Palm Springs, but they didn't make any, and it turned out to be one big disappointing hassle.

Nobody said the poz guys didn't deserve to live in Palm Springs. We were just pointing out that they ARE living there, despite hating the heat.

You don't need to take PREP in PS, you can just drink the local water.

R148 who's Jay Spadafore?

I plan to visit Palm Springs ... I think I will take a house AND a lover for the season. Won't it be simply GRAND?

I'm thinking of making my debut in PS.

R158, is this you?

It's not that the HIV POSITIVE don't deserve to live in Palm Springs; it's that the HIV POSITIVE don't deserve to live... PERIOD

What I liked about Palm Spring this was their version of bubble tea: milkshake with cut-up date pieces instead of tapioca balls.

R55 old pal - unless you live in the city of Portland itself, Maine is a fairly dreary place much of the year.

[quote]Down valley, where the illegal Mexicans live, it's mostly the Ebola or the Zika. You can't swing a cat in Palm Desert without hitting a pin headed Zika baby. Although, every one of the Indians in Indian Wells (feather not dot) have the eye cancer. (not the dripping kind). Funny thing, that.

I didn't think it was possible to spend 24/7 tripping on bath salts, but if this post is any indication you can.

I would have though Palm Springs didn't have this problem . . .

The only guys I've known that move to PS are either the older ones that want easy access to rentboys or the rentboys themselves that see the market to make some good money.

[quote]You don't need to take PREP in PS, you can just drink the local water.

You don't need to take PREP in Fire Island, you can just drink the local water. There, fixed it for ya.

Santa Barbara is considered the Mediterranean of the west coast. But it cost a shit load of money to live there.

Only about 30% of the total population in PS is gay. Out of that, I would say most seem to be older gay couples with a very large house. Guys in the 50 plus age group really dont get out much. The truth to all the AIDS jokes is that most of the guys that are sexually active there are coming from LA /West Hollywood looking to get away from it all only to realize they are with the same tired crowd they left behind.

See Wang's in the Desert Happy Hour

Pool Parties are kind in PS. Since its warm at night, they fun can go into the evening. Most respectable gays have a big pool. All the gay hotels have a pool. That's how they deal with the heat.

If you want to talk viral load, ask the twinks that show up every year for The White Party.

So Palm Springs would be a great place for a dedicated hospice worker, then?

There's tons of jobs for Home Health Care workers and Companions available.

Thanks, R171. I specialize in palliative home care, as I came of age during the AIDS crisis. I'd like to get back to serving my community.

Why would EVERYONE want to live in a city where DL Icon Joyce Bulifant has a star on the Walk of Fame?

johns are there and so the whores are there also

good hunting ground..

oldies like its warm dry air, good for the octogenarian lungs

boys like the old mens $, theyr rich and often old hollywood workers.. fun geezers and generous

the lord loves a man wealthy in spirit.

I'd love some daddy dick.

BUMP

"Why would EVERYONE want to live in a city where DL Icon Joyce Bulifant has a star on the Walk of Fame? "

Why the hell not?

I love taking quick trips to PS just to scape the horror that is Phoenix (a.k.a. Mexico's biggest and trashiest ghetto).

Is there a place on Earth that DL doesn't find unlivable?

[quote][R32], Apache Junction is glorious.

If you're into singlewides, snowbirds, Mormons, militias and gun shows.

I recently vacationed there and you can see the appeal. There are some good things about it. Many of the benefits of other areas of CA without the insanely high real estate prices. A very gay friendly city. A downtown that's fun and walkable. Certainly more liveable than other areas during the winter.

But it is very hot and dry in summer and with climate change that will only get worse. I'm not sure how anyone will be getting water in 20-25 years. And one of the nice things thus far is the scale and size of the area, where crowds are really limited to big events like Coachella, Pride and the film festival. But PS is on the edge of a huge construction boom, and in 5-10 years you'll have people bitching in the same way they bitch now about cities like Denver, Boise et al - "All the newbies have ruined my city!"

So, pluses and minuses.

I thought Palm springs is for elderly lesbian couples

R7 yes, about 17 or 18

[quote] I thought Palm Springs is for elderly lesbian couples

They come in for the Dinah, which is like lesbian Mardi Gras, but they don't live in PS and surrounding areas in quite the same numbers as gay men.

Because it's FAAAABBBULOUSSSS!!!!" there

I watched that documentary-DESERT MIGRATION. It's about these older hiv positive men who moved to PS. Almost of all of them are BITCHY QUEENS except for the Mexican guy and the over the hill twink who looked the most sickly of them all.

It’s not fabulous, At all, you think LA is tired? It’s like LA 25 years ago with the crumbling Mediterranean facades all worn, the sad depressing stucco outdoor patio bars with obligatory fire pit, no one dresses well, everyone’s trying to be younger and not as starving as they really are. No thanks.