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Here's What It's Like To Be A Straight Man Who Has Sex With Other Men

Some men say that sexual activities and sexual identities don’t have to align.

If a man is having sex with other men, he must be gay or bi or somewhere on the queer spectrum, right? Not necessarily. At least not according to some men who feel their sexual activities and their sexual identities don't have to -- and do not -- align.

In this episode of The HuffPost Love+Sex Podcast co-hosts Carina Kolodny and Noah Michelson speak with two of these men: Mike, 36, and Christopher, 20, both of whom identify as straight even though they have sex with other men. Kolodny and Michelson also chat with Chelsea Reynolds, a doctoral candidate at the University of Minnesota, whose investigations of online identities was partly inspired by her discovery of straight men cruising Craiglist to find male sexual partners:

(If you can get past the fagawfulness that is Noah Michelson and his vocaaaaal frrrrrry)

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by Anonymousreply 148February 9, 2020 2:19 PM

DIdn't this used to be called "in the closet"? or downlow?

by Anonymousreply 1November 21, 2015 5:12 PM

R1 is a bigot! If Caitlyn can be a woman because that is what speaks to her identity...

by Anonymousreply 2November 21, 2015 5:18 PM

Mike sounds like a hot straight studbro

by Anonymousreply 3November 21, 2015 5:19 PM

The "identity" craze seems incredibly navel-gazing, and so regressive in some ways.

by Anonymousreply 4November 21, 2015 5:25 PM

He's not straight. He's gay. And the one who "don't like labels," yeah, they're gay too.

by Anonymousreply 5November 21, 2015 5:27 PM

I identify with those guys who want to get together with other straight guys and watch straight porn together..bruhs being bruhs kinda shit ...with a bit of homo-lite thrown in

by Anonymousreply 6November 21, 2015 5:28 PM

[quote]The "identity" craze seems incredibly navel-gazing, and so regressive in some ways.

This "identity" craze is simply for people who are in denial and for some reason uncomfortable with the words bisexual and/or gay.

by Anonymousreply 7November 21, 2015 5:28 PM

Welcome to the bi/gay closet in the age of identity politics.

by Anonymousreply 8November 21, 2015 5:33 PM

I mean, are we supposed to congratulate them for the "bravery" (ha!) of not "labeling" themselfs?

by Anonymousreply 9November 21, 2015 5:38 PM

R7 and R9

WW!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 10November 21, 2015 5:43 PM

That dude clearly sees being "gay" as a negative because he advises other "straight men who have sex with men" not to worry, it doesn't mean they are gay. Why would he dissaude them from identifying as gay unless he thought the identity was negative.

by Anonymousreply 11November 21, 2015 5:43 PM

Well, at least his girlfriend is okay with it.

by Anonymousreply 12November 21, 2015 5:54 PM

But if they were closeted why would these dudes or the “I like dicks but not dudes” types even bother going on record or (in the later case) going through the hassle joining bi boards to explain their situation. Somethings going on here. And not all of it internalised homophobia, though some will be. I posit that it’s fucked up wiring in the attraction software falling between straight and bisexual but not in an easily understood linear way that corresponds to the kinsey scale.

by Anonymousreply 13November 21, 2015 6:25 PM

They are fine with labels as long as they are not stuck with one at even so subtly alludes to the fact they also sleep with men. By keeping the straight label they feel better about themself I guess? They get to keep their straight priveledge in their minds while getting the best of both worlds.

by Anonymousreply 14November 21, 2015 6:37 PM

They don't deserve to have sex with men.

by Anonymousreply 15November 21, 2015 6:38 PM

And this doesn't deserve or need to have 3 threads here!

by Anonymousreply 16November 21, 2015 6:39 PM

I can comprehend how a straight guy that was REALLY into receiving NSA blowjobs A LOT might find that difficult unless he resorted to men (in a no touching your junk way). I’m not straight and I’ve had blow jobs from guys i refused to touch their junk or kiss them (actually pretended to be straight LOL) So for some the non-attraction is easy to overcome than for others in order to achieve that nut. These guys are the extreme end of this. Perhaps.

by Anonymousreply 17November 21, 2015 6:43 PM

[quote]Somethings going on here. And not all of it internalised homophobia, though some will be

I agree. My personal theory is that it is the absence of much internalized homophobia that allows some slutty straight guys to enjoy having sex with men without feeling much/any attraction to men, thereby making the label "bisexual" feel dishonest because they know they don't look at guys the same way they look at women. Slutty straight guys have sex with women they're not particularly attracted to. If all a straight guy wants is to get his dick wet and he's not homophobic, guys are going to be an easier outlet in a lot of ways than women are.

I can understand why people who are really emotional about sex have a hard time getting their heads around this, but I don't understand why it's so hard for people who've engaged in slutty behavior to grasp it. At a certain point, you can enjoy the act a great deal even if you're not attracted to the person.

[quote]They don't deserve to have sex with men.

I kind of agree with this, too. I don't want to have sex with these guys. I think it's good that they label themselves as straight, makes them easier to avoid.

by Anonymousreply 18November 21, 2015 6:46 PM

Yup, when I was younger I was often soooo horny I had no choice but to let some REALLY ugly old motherfuckers blow me. True story. And we’ve all done it.

As I get older I can’t divorce sex from emotion and I look back and cringe the impersonal and mechanical nature of that sex with people I often despised, to the extent i’m now at he other extreme somewhat puritanical sexually LOL.

by Anonymousreply 19November 21, 2015 6:58 PM

R18, I think the first guy interviewed fits your theory. He said he loves getting oral and there are plenty of gay guys who love to give it. This is the same scenario that's been written about many times on DL. Some guys who identify as straight won't mind getting oral from a guy because it's convenient.

The second guy seems like a closet case.

by Anonymousreply 20November 21, 2015 7:02 PM

I agree, R20.

by Anonymousreply 21November 21, 2015 7:12 PM

These men are the Rachel Dolezal of men.

by Anonymousreply 22November 21, 2015 7:18 PM

I am cool with dudes who are functionally/experienced bisexual who eschew labels, as long they also eschew the label "straight."

by Anonymousreply 23November 21, 2015 7:20 PM

Just go to Craigslist or Adam4Adam. There are tons of men seeking men who not only identify/advertise as "straight," but also demand that prospective partners identify as straight, sometimes straight or bisexual. Further, there are tons of "gay-identified" dudes only seeks dudes who identify as straight. Straight-identified dudes get more ass.

by Anonymousreply 24November 21, 2015 7:22 PM

@r24 Thats another powerful motive to cling to the "straight" label I guess.

by Anonymousreply 25November 21, 2015 7:26 PM

Funny how the only label that is above label-shaming is "straight". Everyone else has to be "fluid" and all the bullshit. Sorry folks but im GAY GAY GAY.

by Anonymousreply 26November 21, 2015 7:26 PM

Shower nozzle masturbation material for WEEKS!

by Anonymousreply 27November 21, 2015 7:27 PM

Yeah, they have done actual studies of male for male personals ads. Guys who label themselves "gay" are least likely to get responses from men. In fact, they found that just using the term "gay" in a m4m personal ad greatly reduced chances of responses.

by Anonymousreply 28November 21, 2015 7:29 PM

I had a boyfriend - a mutual passion - in college. He was "straight." He also cruised for gay sex in parks, I learned. Nothing wrong with that, but he was one of those "it's only a label" queens. I dropped him because of his duplicity in other areas of life. And then he married. And then she divorced him because of his fucking around. And then, years later, he ended up living with a man. And still cruises, because someone I know talked about "this guy" he met who was in town and turned out to be my old flame.

Few people, even those who come from backgrounds and experiences that dis-inhibit a greater range of behaviors we may have been born capable of, act in a truly bisexual way. We lean one way or another. This always has been the case, regardless of the effects of socially prescribed heterosexual marriage and family. I accept the possibility of people being very interestingly creative in their sexual expressions, but in most cases the people who are fucking both sexes are fucking over both sexes.

AND that is something you can take to the sperm bank.

by Anonymousreply 29November 21, 2015 7:31 PM

There is no homophobia like internalized homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 30November 21, 2015 7:32 PM

These "straight" guys have a ton of promiscuous gay sex, so wear 50 rubbers if you hook up with one. Actually, wear a full body rubber.

by Anonymousreply 31November 21, 2015 7:35 PM

It’s not a gay thing, it’s a guy thing!

Straight Guise is about straight men who have sex with men (SMSM) who question their sexual orientation and are not gay. It is about the many reasons men engage in sexual contact with other men that are not about a homosexual identity.

Straight men cannot become gay and gay men cannot become straight. Gay men are not gay due to complicated childhood experiences such as sexual abuse or problematic parenting. Science is increasingly pointing to the evidence that gay men are born that way.

There is a significant difference between sexual identity, sexual behavior and sexual fantasy and Straight Guise helps teach what these are. Become the man you were meant to be!

Written from Dr. Joe Kort’s perspective as an openly gay psychotherapist who has counseled thousands of sexually confused men over the years, Straight Guise shows how this phenomenon crosses all ethnicities and cultures. Not a week goes by when I don’t receive distressed emails or phone calls from heterosexual men who worry they might be gay and from wives who have discovered their husbands engaged in gay hookups and relationships or exploring gay porn.

Straight Guise intends to help readers just as I have helped my clients, first by separating the two types of men in the world: There are men who are gay and bisexual and then there are heterosexual men who seek out sex with other men.

The difference is one of sexual preference versus sexual identity. Sexual Preferences are about various desires, positions and fantasies one has whereas sexual identity is about how one self-identities in terms of straight, gay, or bisexual. - See more at:

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by Anonymousreply 32November 21, 2015 7:36 PM

Who are they fooling? You're either gay or bi, no in between.

by Anonymousreply 33November 21, 2015 7:37 PM

The Bromo or BiBro culture is surging and helping these men find support.

The “Bro Job”: Why “straight” men have sex with each other The term “bro job” generally refers to sex acts taking place between heterosexual men. The phenomenon was recently explored by Dr. Jane Ward in her book Not Gay: Sex Between Straight White Men, who suggests it’s a lot more common than most people may think.Sex therapist Susan Block agrees. “I hear about it going on in Saudi Arabia, in Latin America – I talk to guys from all over the world who are doing this. In all different cultures.”

Block explained to AlterNet that sexual activity between self-identifying straight males is one of the most common topics introduced during her therapy sessions with men.

“We’ve shut down on the phenomenon of male sexuality. Now, we’re starting to ease up on that natural fluidity of men. But it’s always been there,” she says. “Sometimes you hide it because you don’t want to suffer from society’s punishments.”

Of course, identity politics is a messy game. And while arousal makes up just one piece of the very complex puzzle that is sexual orientation, it is a major player. We’re quick to assign the “bisexual” label to those for which sexual arousal is not dictated by gender. But it’s not always a welcome title. “I am often forced to call myself ‘bi,’ but I rarely find labels appropriate,” says model Paul LaBlanc (a pseudonym).

As Block explains, sexual orientation goes a lot further than the sexual activities we engage in. “I think to a great degree when people think about their own sexual orientation, they’re thinking about their hopes and dreams for themselves in terms of love and romance. Not just sex.”

In her book, Ward insists that sex acts between men are not symptoms of a suppressed gay identity, but rather an example of the fluid nature of human sexuality. Still, some ask, why men?

Ward writes, “By understanding their same-sex sexual practice as meaningless, accidental, or even necessary, straight white men can perform homosexual contact in heterosexual ways.”

“Meaningless.” A hard word to sneak by a therapist. But this notion of meaninglessness may help explain what makes sex between men appealing. “Women are full of meaning,” says Block “One of the things that men like about other men is how meaningless it is. It’s just for fun.”

That’s not to say that men don’t crave intimacy – they do, in its place. But Block suggests that for men looking for free, no-strings-attached sex, a male partner may be their best bet. Removing sex from its prescribed context is often discouraged in heterosexual relationships. If you’re looking to have sex for sport, doing it with another man might make some sense.

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by Anonymousreply 34November 21, 2015 7:38 PM

This shit is hilarious ( and pathetic of course).

by Anonymousreply 35November 21, 2015 7:41 PM

So much bullshit. I am gay but sex is so easy to get if you claim "straight just need nsa to get off"

I've done it so many times. Thats why I see it for the scam most of this is.

by Anonymousreply 36November 21, 2015 7:41 PM

Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences?

If I have learned anything in my life so far, it’s that the only group of people more obsessed with touching a penis than gay men is straight ones. Promise.

I began noticing this all the way back at my very white elementary school, when boys would roughhouse and grope each other on the playground while always making sure to punctuate their grabs with gay slurs that called the receiver of that grab a homosexual.

As I got older, those grabs evolved. And over time – especially once I got to my very white college – the grabs from straight men became caressing or kissing or, for the bold, sex. And during all of this, these men, these straight men who were always my bully growing up or even in college classrooms, maintained their straightness while I was constantly reminded of how they despised my gayness even as I entertained their episodic gay-interests.

And I am not alone in being the object of ambivalent, conflicted desire by men who identify as straight.

“I think homosexual desire and homosexual contact are staples of the human experience,” professor Jane Ward, University of California, Riverside, recently told me. “But are also subject to incredible cultural baggage.”

But why are all these straight men vying to take a swim in the rainbow pool?

Ward, who recently published her latest book, Not Gay: Sex Between Straight White Men, asked herself a similar question years back after hearing from a man she went on a date with about how ‘gay’ his straight fraternity had been.

From her research, she has arrived at an interesting conclusion: straight men – specifically white men – are having sex with other men to affirm just how straight they are, because to be straight and still be able to perform ‘gay sex’ – while always remaining uninterested – is the height of white masculinity. And they are the primary group doing this, because they can.As a gay man, who has faced violence for being gay, to see evidence that shows the very men that perpetuate this violence are doing the same sexual acts as me to show just how ‘straight’ they are is absolutely gross - and homophobic at best.

(Or how problematic is that white straight men get a whole book in many ways defending their straightness, but black men are most of the time demonized with words like ‘down low’ in books about their lives.)

Being gay is still not easy, especially as a person of color. And thanks to the help of the marriage equality movement, being gay is becoming less and less gay, and much more straight – with many seeing ‘us’ as finally close to being straight. This thought has even led to our gayborhoods beginning to disappear as acceptance of LGBT people rises.

In 2015, gay seems to be less gay than it ever has been. And while I want acceptance of us in the world at large, I still want us. I want us queer, I want us to have individualistic characteristics as a group, I want us to have something that is ours and not something that a straight white man can play with to prove just how much of a man he is.

But what I don’t want is to hear that white privilege not only lets straight men get paid more than me, face less violence than me, live longer than people like me, but also have sex with other men and not facing any of the violence people like me face – because that is incredibly infuriating.

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by Anonymousreply 37November 21, 2015 7:41 PM

What I have learned from having sex with ‘straight’ guys

Flings with ‘curious’ guys on their way to being straight, bi or gay have taught Topher Gen some important lessons When someone mentions their sexuality do you automatically put them into specific categories: ‘gay,’ ‘lesbian’, ’bi’ or ‘straight’? Or do you, like me, blur the lines and believe that a person’s sexuality defies categories?

Do you think these groups we place people in will one day cease to exist and sexuality will be fluid, unlimited and not boxed into one teeny-weeny category?

As much as I believe that society is now accepting homosexuality, there is still a lingering matter that no one really cares to touch upon. It is the sensitive, particularly for males, topic of bi-curiosity.

Whether they like to admit it or not, some guys will at one point in their life harbor same-sex tendencies.

The point of this article is not to bash guys that are, or have been, curious. Instead I want to open up discussion and examine the stigma attached to heterosexual males who have ‘experimented’ or had ‘experiences’ with another guy.

I’ll be honest here; I’ve been a guys ‘test dummy’ more than a couple of times in the past. The reason I refer to it so crudely and cheaply is because after these affairs were conducted, that’s how I was made to feel. That’s how the straight party felt about it: It was cheap, maybe even dirty.

That response is, while not universal, fairly common. So this topic will likely conjure up some uncomfortable feelings with some people. But we should address it all the same.

Why does society give a ‘curious’ guy such a beating should they experiment with another man? I’ve seen it happen: Rumors fly and the heterosexual, who perhaps is teetering on the edge bisexuality, is branded a ‘poof’ and ridiculed which makes them ashamed of their feelings.

Yet if he were to simply come out as gay, nobody would bother as much. So why do males feel the need to mock their peers for simply expressing feelings that they, those that do the mocking, have likely felt themselves?

It seems like a faux-masculine cover up to assert themselves as the alpha male. But to my mind, the guy that made the brave choice to experiment, knowing full well the possible consequences, is actually the most masculine of the lot. He is strong enough to resist society’s pressures.

As much as I pity those who struggle with their orientation and have suffered abuse from the pack of drooling, narrow-minded bigots they call peers, there are some guys that really don’t handle it the right way.

I’ve seen myself cut off, lied about; I’ve had transparent and cowardly excuses tossed at me ‘I was just messing around’ and ‘I was just teasing you’ and, my personal favorite, ‘I was drunk, I don’t really remember it.’

As I said, I know it can be hard, but at the same time some of you guys need to grow a pair of balls and not treat the gay party in your experiment like a piece of garbage.

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by Anonymousreply 38November 21, 2015 7:44 PM

R16 Each little thing "straight" men do gets at least 3 simultaneous threads on DL.

by Anonymousreply 39November 21, 2015 7:48 PM

R28

Source?

by Anonymousreply 40November 21, 2015 7:51 PM

There is the full spectrum out there from str8 guys who in the right circumstance will let another dude blow them, to closeted bi guys to closeted gays. Frankly before i got married i didn't get caught up in what part of that spectrum they were on if they were hot and wanted to get it on . all of the above categories i got they were just going to be some sex ( hopefully good sex) and not potential partners.

by Anonymousreply 41November 21, 2015 7:53 PM

I'm so glad these guys are getting help other than coming to terms with their sexuality. Side-stepping an issue and coming up with a easier to analyze result can be a lot less stressful. (snark off)

by Anonymousreply 42November 21, 2015 8:04 PM

Why men's sex lives are more complicated than you think

A straight guy licked my face once. It was in high school between classes and I was at my locker, running late as always. One of the guys from our school’s soccer team walked up to me, which I thought was unusual. We weren’t friends exactly, friendly enough to say hello in the hallway but not make time for conversation, and definitely not friends enough for a full stop. I turned from my books, and before I knew it, his saliva was smeared all across my cheek. Intrigued but totally unprepared for this, I quickly yelped, “No, I can’t,” and scuttled the other direction. We barely talked for the rest of high school.That guy is married to a woman now, as is the first guy I hooked up with, and a lot of the mostly heterosexual men I was a little more than friends with in high school. There’s a scene in Donna Tartt’s masterful The Goldfinch that sums up these experiences well. Theo and his best friend, Boris, take in more than their fair share of drugs and alcohol as kids growing up outside Las Vegas, and to use a phrase, “Shit happens.” Reflecting on it later, Boris tells Theo, “We were young and needed girls. I think maybe you thought it was something else.” For me, it was “something else”—I’m currently in a relationship with a man, but I would identify myself as “queer,” “mostly homosexual,” or “bisexual, I guess.” To be honest, though, I’ve never found labels to be all that descriptive of sexuality as I know it.

In a recent study for Mic, Eliel Cruz put men’s capacity for sexual fluidity to the test. “A gay friend of mine told me that he had slept with a ‘straight’ guy using Tinder by changing the stated gender on his profile to female,” Cruz writes. His friend kept all the same photos and info, but the guys of Tinder “still swiped right and started chatting with [him].” Skeptical that something like this would work, Cruz did the same to call B.S on his story.

While Cruz claims that “swiping right on a guy made some men freaked out and defensive,” others were surprisingly into it. Cruz reports, “Men complimented me, telling me I was ‘hot’ or ‘handsome.’ I got asked for sexual favors along the lines of ‘I'm not gay but I'd let you blow me.’ Some even went as far and asked to have sex with me as long as I didn't do other ‘gay shit.’” While some of these men said they were “possibly bisexual,” other men Cruz chatted with were “afraid to use that label.” Cruz continues, “There were men who publicly identified as straight who were up to trying new things and testing the boundaries of their sexuality, sometimes with a witness/participant.”

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by Anonymousreply 43November 21, 2015 8:06 PM

R33 [QUOTE] You’re either gay or bi, no in between.

Being attracted to cock only if it’s on a female looking body... Liking dick but not being attracted the male physique...liking pussy but turned of by rest of the female physique...etc

Arguably these could be seen as examples of “in between"

by Anonymousreply 44November 21, 2015 8:09 PM

Straight Men Who have sex with men

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by Anonymousreply 45November 21, 2015 8:09 PM

Daylyt: "I'm not gay. I'll suck a dick or two, but I'm not gay.....if you wanna hit a nigga every blue moon, that aint gay."

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by Anonymousreply 46November 21, 2015 8:11 PM

r44, what if you hate cock, but love ass?

by Anonymousreply 47November 21, 2015 8:12 PM

UPDATE: "Heteroflexible" Guy Who Came Out To His Girlfriend Shares Where They Stand Now So this is a bit late, but there was a lot of interest in my last post and I thought I'd give you guys an update on what happened.

She came back from her trip late that night and we sat down immediately to have a talk. I had this big plan about what I was going to say and how to explain what my feelings were better, give everything more context etc. but in the end none of it was necessary as she dove straight in..

She said that she was sorry that her reaction was a little harsh. She explained that she has zero problem with gays/bisexuals but that when it's with her own partner it feels different. She agreed maybe it is close-minded but she said it's an instinctive reaction. She said she is honestly not 100% comfortable with the idea, but that realistically it isn't that big of a deal. She said she doesn't truly understand the whole "it's more about dick than being attracted to men" thing, but that she understands human sexuality is complex and believes me.

She said that she really liked how I explained myself with regards to saying assertively that I know exactly what I feel, what I want and that it's for nobody else to try and tell me otherwise. Apparently my confidence in my sexuality and that the fact that I seem completely unconflicted with it makes it less of big deal.

So, in the end, I just kind of nodded and said that she had pretty much already come to all of the conclusions that I was about to try and get her to. We laughed and made up.

So it's been over a week now and there have no more issues. She has actually brought it up a few times in a humorous way, making fun of me, which I am totally okay with. I'm just glad it's all out in the open and not too big of a deal anymore.

tl;dr: Girlfriend does a u-turn, ends up being, if not 100% comfortable, able to accept it and be okay with the fact. Lesson learnt - give people time to process things before jumping to totalistic conclusions.

EDIT - Also, I think I am just going to go all out and state early in a relationship that I would say I am 95% straight. That way you can avoid major conflict later if it would be an issue and also I think you can learn a lot about a person in how they react.

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by Anonymousreply 48November 21, 2015 8:15 PM

Any articles on OPENLY gay men who have sex with women and what it's like?

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by Anonymousreply 49November 21, 2015 8:15 PM

BroPorn is the new Hotness

Bro-Porn Revisited: Heterosexualizing Straight White Men's Anti-homophobia (Again)

Co-authored by C.J. Pascoe, author of Dude, You're a Fag: Masculinity and Sexuality in High School

A few months ago Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis made the news because she refused enact the Supreme Court order to marry same sex couples in her county citing religious objections. Davis was jailed for contempt of court, released and is now back at work, though letting her subordinates marry same sex couples rather than doing so herself. Last week Justice Kennedy suggested, perhaps not directly, that she resign from her job.

But this post isn't about Kim Davis; it's about a protest against Kim Davies. Understandably, people, both gay and straight, were upset about her behavior - some protested outside of her office, some confronted her at her desk, some wrote op-eds, some went on talk shows. Others took to YouTube and Instagram as they staged a virtual kiss-in across the United States in a protest called #kissesforkim.

This protest was started by two comedians from the group Comedians in Public - Jericho Davidson and Michael Albanese. These two heavily bearded, and apparently straight, men, in a video launching the #kissesforkim project said, "Dear Kim Davis, we want to let you know that no matter what you do, love will always win." They instructed viewers to "grab your closest friend, give him a kiss, take a photo or video and upload it using #KissesForKim, to let Kim know that she cannot win."While these instructions are aimed at "gay, bi, trans WHOMEVER!" according to the video, the pictures of two presumably straight men kissing were picked up most favorably by the interwebs. Queerty.com for instance, posted the following "#Heterosexual men the whole world over are making out with each other for a good cause. Find out why at queerty.com. #kissesforkim #kimdavis #kissykissy #smoochsmooch #xoxo #gay #straight #samelove." Indeed, much was made of the fact that the two men who created the campaign identified as straight. Now it's not that same sex couples didn't appear in these photos, it's that the straight-identified men got the attention.

Many thanked straight men for doing this, calling them "great men" and the like. We would suggest that the focus on (and discourse surrounding) straight men kissing is instructive. In fact, it reminded us of a previous episode we had written about who were engaging in seemingly same sex activities in a post we called "Bro-Porn." In that post we addressed the way in which two straight comedians kissed at Chick-fil-A to protest the organization's homophobic policies and the Warwick men's rowing team posing nude for a photo shoot. We suggested that perhaps engaging in acts that seemingly contradict normative expectations of masculinity, may in fact bolster it:

This sort of "bro-ing" of anti-homophobia stances does not necessarily have the effect of challenging the naturalness and inevitability of sexual and gender categories. Much like the anti-Chick-fil-A video made by two straight, white men to protest the restaurant's homophobic policies, Macklemore's and the Warwick rowing team's gender and sexual practices and proclamations reinscribe their heterosexuality as so powerful and inevitable that even an anti-homophobia stance can't call them into question. (here)

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by Anonymousreply 50November 21, 2015 8:17 PM

Gay flings for straight men

SMSM (straight men who have sex with other men), also known as ‘hetero-flexible’, are heterosexual men who, from time to time, go to bed with another man. But they don’t define themselves as gay or bisexual because they see their homosexual adventures as just a short and occasional interlude of extreme pleasure, which doesn’t define their sexual orientation. So it’s fitting that the slogan used by straightguise.com, popular with straight men looking for the thrill of a gay affair, is “it’s not a gay thing, it’s a guy thing”.

But what drives thousands of happily married or engaged men to desire a night of gay love? It’s just natural instinct. “We forget that individuals who are 100% hetero or 100% gay are very rare,” says Dr. Francesco Battista, a psychologist and sexologist, who believes that “sexual orientation is a continuum that can change over time and that is rarely all on one side.”

But if ‘hetero-flexibility is a natural state, as people often say, does it affect men only? This isn’t the whole truth, for two reasons.

The first is that “it is easier for women, over the years, to move along the same sexual continuum, while men, especially in their youth, are more vulnerable and unstable.”

The second reason, which perhaps has not yet been given due attention, is that, contrary to what was believed until a few years ago, women are not entirely immune to same-sex encounters. This has been studied by Chelsea Reynolds, a researcher at the Department of Journalism and Communication at the University of Minnesota, who studied and analysed thousands of listings on Craiglist. She found that women, albeit in far fewer numbers than men, are also looking for lesbian sex, simply to escape from the hetero routine.

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by Anonymousreply 51November 21, 2015 8:19 PM

Gay conversation therapists would love this thread. Send it to them.

by Anonymousreply 52November 21, 2015 8:20 PM

I’ve been mostly happily married for 15 years. I’m a straight man. I love my wife. We used to have a great sex life. But after many years, children, and just day-to-day reality, our sex life is now pretty unsatisfying. While my wife was barely GGG at the beginning, now she will not go down on me ever. We do have sex four to 10 times a month, but it is always plain vanilla. I went on Craigslist to look at the “casual encounters” ads, and after months of just looking, I replied to some. My only actual response admitted to being a man pretending to be a woman. Long story short, I let him blow me. I didn’t touch him. I just watched some straight porn while he blew me. I have done this a few times with different guys. I am not turned on by men at all, but I do enjoy the enthusiastic BJs when combined with straight porn. I can’t tell my wife about this, as it would end an otherwise good marriage.

Questions: 1) Does this make me gay, bi, or neither? 2) Do I have to stop? I have been careful to keep it pretty safe, and since I am not really attracted to or interested in these guys, it just serves to satisfy a “disproportionate sex drive” situation without the risk of any emotional cheating. I’m pretty sure if I found a woman interested in an affair or a FWB situation, it would be a much riskier emotional tightrope. One more question, I guess. 3) What should I do?

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by Anonymousreply 53November 21, 2015 8:20 PM

Bromosexual -- A bro who is attracted to other bros, whether he's willing to admit it or not

by Anonymousreply 54November 21, 2015 8:22 PM

The fact that they cling to straight identity 1) shows how important it is for them to be thought of as straight because straight is better and/or superior and 2) proves what a joke this whole thing is. These articles are laughably bad.

by Anonymousreply 55November 21, 2015 8:22 PM

Bromos

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by Anonymousreply 56November 21, 2015 8:23 PM

Yawn, a bunch of guys who are terrified about losing their straight identity and refuse to think they are like those other fags.

Sure labels don't matter, except you know, the straight label.

by Anonymousreply 57November 21, 2015 8:28 PM

Dear Dan Savage,

I'm a flamey gay man, 58 and a florist. Sometimes, I crave the vagine and place ads on Craigslist looking for it. Just because I dip my wang into cunt doesn't make me straight, does it? Ooooo gah!

Sincerely,

Out-of-the-Closet Stern

by Anonymousreply 58November 21, 2015 8:28 PM

My Mouth, Your Straight Bro Cock - m4m (Cbus)

Looking for a straight guy that will let me go down on him. How can we make this happen? I'm a 35 yeah old attractive white guy. good shape and disease free. Expect the same of you.

Serious replies please. Currently, no place but let's figure it out

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by Anonymousreply 59November 21, 2015 8:39 PM

Find this in a tshirt, bro

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by Anonymousreply 60November 21, 2015 8:39 PM

R6 that's life in a college fraternity...seriously!

by Anonymousreply 61November 21, 2015 9:07 PM

You can be a woman and have a penis.

You can suck dick and still be straight.

I give up.

by Anonymousreply 62November 21, 2015 9:07 PM

..............

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by Anonymousreply 63November 21, 2015 9:17 PM

I believe what these straight chaps are saying and so should you or else..!

by Anonymousreply 64November 21, 2015 11:36 PM

closet queens, plain and simple

by Anonymousreply 65November 21, 2015 11:38 PM

I love it when hot straight brodudes have sex with other guys. When they get too gay it's a huge turn off.

by Anonymousreply 66November 21, 2015 11:58 PM

"But if they were closeted why would these dudes or the “I like dicks but not dudes” types even bother going on record or (in the later case) going through the hassle joining bi boards to explain their situation. "

Well, they're also stupid.

by Anonymousreply 67November 21, 2015 11:59 PM

What r5 said.

by Anonymousreply 68November 22, 2015 12:02 AM

I love all the men seeking men ads and profiles that say "NO Gays" or "No Fags." They only want to find other "straight bros."

by Anonymousreply 69November 22, 2015 12:24 AM

I like dudes (and women), but I definitely DO NOT like penis. I like guys to service me orally only. I don't identify as bi or gay.

by Anonymousreply 70November 22, 2015 12:26 AM

These men are closet cases. Straight men are interested in women.

by Anonymousreply 71November 22, 2015 12:28 AM

They are, r71.

by Anonymousreply 72November 22, 2015 12:31 AM

R70 Are you actually positively turned off by penis or simply just “meh” about them?

With respect, yours and similar stories strike me as almost akin to a kind of sexual autism. It would be fascinating and possibly enlightening to learn what if any masturbatory fantasies you have apropos your “liking dudes”

by Anonymousreply 73November 22, 2015 2:03 AM

^Sorry to the real R70, don’t know how I managed to tag myself as -R70

by Anonymousreply 74November 22, 2015 2:06 AM

Nope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

They're gay.

Period.

The end.

Thread closed.

by Anonymousreply 75November 22, 2015 2:10 AM

That's why R70 is on a gay site...probably on the never ending sean cody threads.

by Anonymousreply 76November 22, 2015 2:41 AM

Bro, it's all about the ASS about the ASS dude...dude always check out other dudes asses...I see it at the gym ALL THE TIME!!!

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by Anonymousreply 77November 22, 2015 5:44 AM

When I broke up with the ex, about 10 years, I needed an emotional vacation. All my adult life has been spent with others. The best years of my thighs, POOF. I just wanted physical hook ups. I started hanging out in the local chat room, mainly hetero types. I started messaging with a straight man. Over a few weeks of messaging, we discovered that we worked in similar fields, similar interests in politics, he was married with 4 children and a happy home life in another state. Next time he was in town, he invited me out for dinner and drinks but kept reminding me he was straight and all he wanted was dinner. I didn't know what he looked like, didn't even have a description, just told him I'd be wearing a green shirt and a brown jacket. At the restaurant bar, up came this hunk of a man, just like a younger version of Brian Williams, slightly different facial features, a beautiful 5 o'clock shadow, 6'5, 225 lbs. Just my type, but we had a great evening, great conversation. We both work in transportation, so he was in town for a night, about every 2 weeks. 4 months of doing this, and one night after dinner, instead of our usual "take care, see you later, yes I know you're straight" hug, he said "come with me outside". Outside, he grabbed my shoulders, turned me around, face to face, and he said "I want to fuck your mouth." I knew his sex life at home was pretty ordinary, he considered it kinky when his wife got on top; could never get a blowjob from her. We were both drunk, and after all he had paid for all the dinners. Back at his hotel room, standing face to face, I reached down, undid his belt, then started unbuttoning his shirt, nice hairy stomach and chest, I leaned in to kiss, he stopped me and said something like "I just want to fuck your mouth, I don't want to kiss you, if that is not ok with you, then you need to leave". I slipped off his shirt, licked down his stomach, at the same time getting his slacks down, then his boxers. Hairy groin, balls, legs, and an uncut 9" dick. Afterwards, we said our goodbye, a little hug, and see you the next time I'm in town, and I left. Sure enough, we got together a few weeks later, and so it has been almost 10 years now. Eventually got into anal, some lite s&m, bondage, ws. We would get together in other towns, when the schedules worked out. He's never been to my house, and all I know about his house is the city it is in. The times we spend the night together, we go to sleep on the other side of the bed. with backs to each other. I have woken up with him holding me, sprawling all over me, but he his sleeping as I recognize his sleep breathing. He has stolen a few kisses, but it's like it's a habit to him, and not something he wants to do.

I must say, I'm having the time of my life. It has gone from a top/bottom relationship to a dom/sub, and I think I get a better Christmas gift than his wife. I certainly don't want him to break up with his family, I'm happy with it. He may have accidentally touched my dick and balls, but never on purpose, he never kisses during sex, but he does pull my hair, spit, and pick me up.

I think of him as straight. Is he?

by Anonymousreply 78November 22, 2015 5:49 AM

Dude, that was a novel

by Anonymousreply 79November 22, 2015 5:57 AM

These so-called straight guys just want their dicks pulled, if they can't find a woman.

by Anonymousreply 80November 22, 2015 6:42 AM

[quote]When I broke up with the ex, about 10 years, I needed an emotional vacation. All my adult life has been spent with others. The best years of my thighs, POOF. I just wanted physical hook ups. I started hanging out in the local chat room, mainly hetero types. I started messaging with a straight man. Over a few weeks of messaging, we discovered that we worked in similar fields, similar interests in politics, he was married with 4 children and a happy home life in another state. Next time he was in town, he invited me out for dinner and drinks but kept reminding me he was straight and all he wanted was dinner. I didn't know what he looked like, didn't even have a description, just told him I'd be wearing a green shirt and a brown jacket. At the restaurant bar, up came this hunk of a man, just like a younger version of Brian Williams, slightly different facial features, a beautiful 5 o'clock shadow, 6'5, 225 lbs. Just my type, but we had a great evening, great conversation. We both work in transportation, so he was in town for a night, about every 2 weeks. 4 months of doing this, and one night after dinner, instead of our usual "take care, see you later, yes I know you're straight" hug, he said "come with me outside". Outside, he grabbed my shoulders, turned me around, face to face, and he said "I want to fuck your mouth." I knew his sex life at home was pretty ordinary, he considered it kinky when his wife got on top; could never get a blowjob from her. We were both drunk, and after all he had paid for all the dinners. Back at his hotel room, standing face to face, I reached down, undid his belt, then started unbuttoning his shirt, nice hairy stomach and chest, I leaned in to kiss, he stopped me and said something like "I just want to fuck your mouth, I don't want to kiss you, if that is not ok with you, then you need to leave". I slipped off his shirt, licked down his stomach, at the same time getting his slacks down, then his boxers. Hairy groin, balls, legs, and an uncut 9" dick. Afterwards, we said our goodbye, a little hug, and see you the next time I'm in town, and I left. Sure enough, we got together a few weeks later, and so it has been almost 10 years now. Eventually got into anal, some lite s&m, bondage, ws. We would get together in other towns, when the schedules worked out. He's never been to my house, and all I know about his house is the city it is in. The times we spend the night together, we go to sleep on the other side of the bed. with backs to each other. I have woken up with him holding me, sprawling all over me, but he his sleeping as I recognize his sleep breathing. He has stolen a few kisses, but it's like it's a habit to him, and not something he wants to do.

I must say, I'm having the time of my life. It has gone from a top/bottom relationship to a dom/sub, and I think I get a better Christmas gift than his wife. I certainly don't want him to break up with his family, I'm happy with it. He may have accidentally touched my dick and balls, but never on purpose, he never kisses during sex, but he does pull my hair, spit, and pick me up.

I think of him as straight. Is he?

Get a blog, honey.

by Anonymousreply 81November 22, 2015 6:44 AM

So what's it like to be a gay man who has sex with women?

by Anonymousreply 82November 22, 2015 7:31 AM

Well, R82, takes a while to get into, but once you’ve got the hang of it....FUCKING AMAZING! Helps if you like soap divas

by Anonymousreply 83November 22, 2015 10:13 AM

bump

by Anonymousreply 84November 22, 2015 11:54 AM

Ask them what they fantasize about while they are sucking and fucking. You know what i'm sayin?

by Anonymousreply 85November 22, 2015 12:33 PM

What do you fantazise about when a female sucks your cock, R85?

by Anonymousreply 86November 22, 2015 12:36 PM

ughl

by Anonymousreply 87November 22, 2015 12:56 PM

Apparently there are quite a lot of closet case fags working double overtime and going through all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince themselves they're "straight."

Obviously the last 50 years of the fight for gay civil rights has been for nothing, at least according to the Neanderthals on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 88November 22, 2015 1:02 PM

r53 keep your mouth shut and don't tell the wife. She woldn't really want to know anyway.

by Anonymousreply 89November 22, 2015 1:25 PM

All the words in the world will not change this from being gay behavior. I'm so sick of everything trying to be redefined - fucking 20 different types of sexualities, overuse of binary and fluid, it's madness.

by Anonymousreply 90November 22, 2015 2:11 PM

Agree with r90! A very old friend of mine has a girlfriend for many years, but fools around with men on the side. Yet, he claims he's straight, because he always goes home to his girlfriend.

What a joke!

by Anonymousreply 91November 22, 2015 2:20 PM

Historically this has always been true, worldwide. Women were not available before marriage so men did men.

It is no big deal.

by Anonymousreply 92November 22, 2015 2:27 PM

They did that during the Greek ages, to show young men on how to have sex.

by Anonymousreply 93November 22, 2015 2:32 PM

R92, those men "did men" because they wanted to, not because there "weren't women around".

by Anonymousreply 94November 22, 2015 2:36 PM

R94 - agreed. Does the phrase "world's oldest profession" sound familiar? I guess it is cheaper to do dudes.

by Anonymousreply 95November 22, 2015 2:39 PM

You aren't straight if you willingly choose to have sex with men for free and enjoy doing it.

Stop the fuckery now you closet cases!!! I know you guys are so very desperate to cling to hetero superiority because Lord forbid people think you might even be a teenise bit GAY!! Oh for shame!!

But really... cut the crap!

by Anonymousreply 96November 22, 2015 4:06 PM

Gay is taboo now sigh...

by Anonymousreply 97November 22, 2015 4:44 PM

What do you mean R97?

by Anonymousreply 98November 22, 2015 4:45 PM

Label-free! Fluid! Label-free! Fluid!

by Anonymousreply 99November 22, 2015 4:47 PM

R98, the push is towards never using the label "Gay", only other circumlocutions like "has sex with men" "flexible" "I don't do labels" and other bullshit

by Anonymousreply 100November 22, 2015 4:56 PM

Ah, you're rght, R100. They won't win. Most people know they're crazy closet cases.

by Anonymousreply 101November 22, 2015 5:04 PM

Straight boys want ass...they think all GAY dudes as they say take it up the ASS ;)

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by Anonymousreply 102November 22, 2015 6:18 PM

and they don't. but if you have sex with men, you're gay. or bi, but you're NOT straight.

by Anonymousreply 103November 22, 2015 6:29 PM

when you can't get pussy get mussy

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by Anonymousreply 104November 22, 2015 8:05 PM

[quote]These so-called straight guys just want their dicks pulled, if they can't find a woman.

But so called is the right word. If you are really straight you have zero desire to have sex with a man. Period. These guys aren't really straight. It isn't complicated.

by Anonymousreply 105November 23, 2015 5:38 PM

People do things they don't innately have a desire to do all the time.

by Anonymousreply 106November 23, 2015 7:04 PM

Yes, in the workplace and such. But not when it comes to activities that are supposed to be enjoyable--and have a social stigma attached at that.

by Anonymousreply 107November 23, 2015 7:15 PM

R106 Yeah but what if the “desire” is simply for the sensation of the blowjob and NOTHING ELSE. Even as gay men very many of us have done something sexual with someone we weren’t attracted to. Same situation fundamentally.

by Anonymousreply 108November 23, 2015 7:33 PM

[quote]Yeah but what if the “desire” is simply for the sensation of the blowjob and NOTHING ELSE

Yes, straight guys totally love getting blow jobs from men. Just give them a beer and you can suck off your favorite dude bro man!

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true. They want blowjobs from women, yes even some unattractive woman is wanted over a guy.

by Anonymousreply 109November 23, 2015 7:40 PM

Exactly, R105. I'm sick to death of this heteroflexible/humasexual nonsense. Real straight men will choose a beastly looking broad over a man everytime. They don't just go off and find some dude to blow them.

by Anonymousreply 110November 23, 2015 7:47 PM

The title could just as easily be, "Here's What It's Like to Be a Unicorn."

Because in both cases there is no such beast.

by Anonymousreply 111November 23, 2015 8:07 PM

Straight Guys Sound Off On How Much They Love Getting Hit On By Gay Men

One of our most popular stories from last week involved a straight guy responding to being hit on by a gay guy like a true mensch.

In case you missed it, you can read his awesome reaction here.

We wanted to hear from other evolved straight guys out there — here’s the chatter on Whisper.

Note — to the guys who use getting hit on by gay men purely as a self-esteem booster, you may want to reconsider. You’re not helping anyone at the end of the day, least of all your own misguided self worth.

But we’ll still take it over rampant homophobia any day.

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by Anonymousreply 112November 23, 2015 8:18 PM

The obsession with str8 me in the gay community is truly revolting

by Anonymousreply 113November 23, 2015 8:31 PM

But what about straight MMA champion Sylvain Potard?

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by Anonymousreply 114November 23, 2015 8:51 PM

.......

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by Anonymousreply 115November 23, 2015 8:52 PM

Who is shocked about such a past anymore/

by Anonymousreply 116November 23, 2015 8:56 PM

R78 First things first: QUIT WATCHING SAME TIME, NEXT YEAR!!!

If any of that outrageous is true, a catscan and plenty of psychotherapy is overdue.

by Anonymousreply 117November 23, 2015 9:12 PM

r115, don't be lazy, dude.

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by Anonymousreply 118November 23, 2015 9:21 PM

Another pic of him, R118:

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by Anonymousreply 119November 23, 2015 9:25 PM

Bad scan but the original is on R115 site

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by Anonymousreply 120November 23, 2015 9:38 PM

Is there anything more pathetic than some sad sack queen wishing, waiting and hoping for a "straight" guy to fuck him?

by Anonymousreply 121November 23, 2015 9:42 PM

it is hot

by Anonymousreply 122November 24, 2015 5:07 AM

R114, What does "despite of himself" mean? Very creepy and bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 123November 24, 2015 5:15 AM

So, R108, how many women have gone down on you while drunk?

After all, it IS "just a sensation" and it isn't about gender. And "a few beers" loosens people up, right?

So gay guys should be getting drunk all the time and letting our hags blow us, right?

Right?

by Anonymousreply 124November 24, 2015 7:22 AM

It is like being able to eat an entire pizza and LOSE weight

by Anonymousreply 125March 5, 2017 7:42 AM

R48 that woman has some serious issues and she just doesnt wanna loose the guy so she lies to herself that its ok that her nan loves cock, whilst its eating her up from inside. Its really unhealthy for both of them. I knkw of too many women who accept anything just to keep a guy....like in that show my husband is gay.

by Anonymousreply 126March 5, 2017 8:12 AM

A lot of men are so messed up with guilt about their sexuality...yes even in 2017!! These guys indulge in gay activity but want to call it anything but. So irunic that the more people want to move away from labels the more they invent 'brojobs' is dumb. These guys should just admit they are attracted to other men

by Anonymousreply 127March 5, 2017 8:24 AM

This is the result of the pendulum swinging back toward conservatism. Heteros and fundies are freaked out over legalized same sex marriage and the increasing mainstream of gays in everyday life. People are reluctant to identify as gay because of past stigmas and condemnation. With Repubs in power the anti-gay backlash is on in full earnest with Texas and other states lining up to repeal the Marriage Equality Act and more rights for gays.

by Anonymousreply 128March 5, 2017 8:43 AM

Did the aliens tell you that, AIKC? Or did you develop wisdom in the looney bin?

by Anonymousreply 129March 5, 2017 11:02 AM

Honey boo R129, I'm exceptionally smart. They tested my IQ in the "looney bin" and they started taking me more seriously. I'm not THE most intelligent guy ever, but I'm no slouch. Even high as a satellite as I am now.

The ghosties and E.T.'s either like me because I'm kinda bright...or hot. Or perhaps because I'm BOTH.

by Anonymousreply 130March 5, 2017 11:15 AM

This is fascinating

by Anonymousreply 131October 12, 2017 4:06 PM

If anyone has been able to read all of the posts on this thread, doesn't it occur to you that we're not all the same when it comes to sex, who we find attractive, or our sexual identify? It is like a huge sexual menu that we're trying to squeeze into a few boxes. For instance, for those of us who identify as 100% gay, with no attraction to woman. We have so many sub-categories. Top, bottom, do or do not give blow jobs, like or don't like hairy men, would or wouldn't have sex with a straight-identified man, and the list goes on. I don't question someone else's preferences to be in or out of the closet. It is who that are or how they prefer to be identified. Whatever! Has nothing to do with me. I prefer to have sex with only gay men, but wouldn't turn down an offer from a bi or straight man if I found him attractive.

Oh, by the way R19 I've never been with some old ugly guy - EVER. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

by Anonymousreply 132October 12, 2017 5:37 PM

Gay is gay...we don't have to question it.

by Anonymousreply 133October 12, 2017 5:41 PM

So if you like sex with men and you are a man, you can identify with straight?

Make it stop, please.

by Anonymousreply 134October 13, 2017 5:23 AM

This is not new

by Anonymousreply 135October 13, 2017 11:16 AM

Men don’t want to be labeled “gay.” That Term I’d like garlic to vampires.

by Anonymousreply 136October 13, 2017 3:05 PM

^^^ And why is that, again? Please remind us.

by Anonymousreply 137October 13, 2017 3:09 PM

Is like garlic to vampires.

by Anonymousreply 138October 13, 2017 3:15 PM

Those brows couldn't be anymore gay

by Anonymousreply 139October 13, 2017 7:25 PM

Shame on the Huffington Post and the very pretentious interviewer Noah for reinforcing a internalized hompobic stereotype. It sad a so-called interviewer, Almost 50 years after Stonewall is calling "closet cases" straight or "bi :(

by Anonymousreply 140October 13, 2017 7:39 PM

Bisexuals Are not “closet cases.”

by Anonymousreply 141October 13, 2017 7:41 PM

"Bisexual" and "fluidity" are the new limgo being used by too many 100% gay men these days!

by Anonymousreply 142October 13, 2017 7:46 PM

It’s not your place or job to tell others how to identify. You shouldn’t even be interested in how others identify. Stay in your lane brah.

by Anonymousreply 143October 13, 2017 9:02 PM

Interesting

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by Anonymousreply 144September 28, 2018 1:56 PM

"You may call me a fem bottom just because my mannerisms is one way doesn’t mean I identify as being feminine or a bottom."

Ahahahaha. OK buddy, whatever you say.

by Anonymousreply 145September 28, 2018 3:43 PM

it's like being gay, right?

by Anonymousreply 146September 28, 2018 4:07 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 147February 9, 2020 2:14 PM

If they don't like labels, why do they cling to the Straight label?

Whatever they call their 'activities', you can bet almost everyone they know would disapprove, and would ghost them if it was exposed.

This is plain old downlow, and it's been going on since the beginning of time.

by Anonymousreply 148February 9, 2020 2:19 PM
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