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PLEASE STOP USING THE TERM "SELF-ENTITLED."

It is redundant and nonsensical. What phrases or terms drive you crazy?

by Anonymousreply 65June 13, 2019 9:22 PM

It's not really redundant. Entitlement can either be granted externally or decided by oneself.

by Anonymousreply 1September 18, 2010 3:39 PM

Dear OP: Please Fuck off and Die. DL

by Anonymousreply 2September 18, 2010 3:46 PM

"Entitled" is usually used to describe a person's mistaken belief that they deserve special treatment.

If the special treatment is being granted willingly by a third party, then the belief is not mistaken and you are not describing a sense of entitlement.

Hence, "self-entitlement" is redundant.

by Anonymousreply 3September 18, 2010 3:51 PM

I'm starting to get sick of "boograhmocious." Any one else?

by Anonymousreply 4September 18, 2010 4:09 PM

[quote]"Entitled" is usually used to describe a person's mistaken belief that they deserve special treatment.

I disagree. That is not even the most common use of the word.

In any case, the fact that it could mean several things makes the disambiguation legitimate, not redundant.

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by Anonymousreply 5September 18, 2010 4:31 PM

R5 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 6September 18, 2010 4:57 PM

Unless one is using "entitled" in a legal context, almost any use of the term is as a pejorative description of someone who inaccurately believes he or she deserves special treatment. So, for most purposes "self-entitled" is redundant. If you are using the word in a legal (or benefits) context, it is as a defined term and as such is not likely to be confused with the pejorative use of "entitled" in the first place. So, "self-entitled" is redundant. More importantly, it is meaningless. Adding the "self-" doesn't really clarify the writer's meaning. As such it is mere "I like to hear myself use buzz words" language, and reminds me of the hillbilly style of writing in which words are unnecessarily hyphenated.

by Anonymousreply 7September 18, 2010 4:59 PM

When dining at buffets I provide myself with courteous self-service.

by Anonymousreply 8September 18, 2010 5:12 PM

[quote]Unless one is using "entitled" in a legal context, almost any use of the term is as a pejorative description of someone who inaccurately believes he or she deserves special treatment.

I still disagree, though I don't know whether to attribute your conviction about the use of this word to limited experience or wishful imagination.

Adding the "self" clarifies the "mistaken belief" aspect, because the notion of entitlement is self endowed, much like the expression "self-righteous."

The fact that you only use the word in one sense does not mean it can't have other meanings. And if it can have other meanings, clarification is not always redundant.

by Anonymousreply 9September 18, 2010 5:17 PM

The word imagery is confused with 'self-titled': one who claims special status and demands deference based on a fictitious lineage.

by Anonymousreply 10September 18, 2010 5:21 PM

Game, set, and match for R5/R9!

by Anonymousreply 11September 18, 2010 5:21 PM

It is already quite clear from context which definition of "entitled" a speaker or writer is using. This is what makes "self-entitled" redundant. How is that complicated?

I'm not sure where you got the idea I'm claiming the word is used only one way.

But in terms of frequency, are you disputing the fact the word is most often used in a legal or benefits context or as a pejorative? Because if that's what you are claiming, then I would have to disagree with you.

by Anonymousreply 12September 18, 2010 5:26 PM

I want to marry R5/R9. He really has his shit together and is entitled to much praise and adulation for putting the self-important OP in his place.

by Anonymousreply 13September 18, 2010 5:29 PM

[quote]the notion of entitlement is self endowed, much like the expression "self-righteous."

Please use "entitled" in a sentence where the term is used in a neutral (non-pejorative) way, communicates the idea that a benefit is being conferred by a third party, and is not a legal or benefits scenario.

by Anonymousreply 14September 18, 2010 5:30 PM

Boograhmocious!

by Anonymousreply 15September 18, 2010 5:31 PM

I've decided that I'm entitled to my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 16September 18, 2010 5:32 PM

Good, R16. Step 2: Substitute "self-entitled" for "entitled." See how stupid it sounds?

by Anonymousreply 17September 18, 2010 5:37 PM

Thank you, R1. Thread closed.

by Anonymousreply 18September 18, 2010 5:40 PM

Oh, R7, you just don't get it. You are entitled to your opinion (as incorrect as it is), as well as a self-entitled prick.

by Anonymousreply 19September 18, 2010 5:42 PM

[quote]reminds me of the hillbilly style of writing in which words are unnecessarily hyphenated. WTF? That's definitely the only time I've ever heard 'hillbilly' used in a discussion of semantics. Example, please?

by Anonymousreply 20September 18, 2010 5:45 PM

Children are entitled to be childish.

You asked for an example where the entitlement is NOT conferred on oneself, so please don't embarrass yourself by calling attention to the fact that "self-entitled" cannot be substituted here.

by Anonymousreply 21September 18, 2010 6:09 PM

I wish the word "entitled" would vanish entirely from the Datalounge, because it is used so incorrecty, so often.

It's correctly used to describe presumptive behavior, but so many of our snootier prisspots use it to describe perfectly ordinary behavior which annoys them - such as female tourists walking down the sidewalks of New York. That's not using the word to describe bad behavior, it's using it to express snobbery and exclusion.

by Anonymousreply 22September 18, 2010 7:22 PM

People are entitled to courtesy from their fellow man.

The self entitled baby carriage pushing frau thought she could park her said carriage in the middle of the grocery aisle.

by Anonymousreply 23September 19, 2010 9:44 AM

R22, when the dishwasher is done running, why don't you pull out your clean, warm dildo and put it to good use-- you really need to lighten up.

by Anonymousreply 24September 19, 2010 7:14 PM

R7 is entitled to my disdain.

by Anonymousreply 25September 19, 2010 7:29 PM

I think OP's dildo has been stuck up his ass for some weeks now.

by Anonymousreply 26September 19, 2010 7:39 PM

So, that term would be "self-shitted."

by Anonymousreply 27September 20, 2010 4:28 AM

Arrogating a sense of entitlement to one's demeanor is pretty much implied by the context, so I agree that describing someone's behavior as "entitled" is the same as the redundant "self-entitled," unless we're talking about the bestowal of knighthoods.

by Anonymousreply 28September 20, 2010 4:41 AM

Please stop typing headlines in all caps. It's redundant. The fact that it is a headline is obvious by its position at the top of the post.

by Anonymousreply 29March 10, 2012 7:39 PM

OP is a stay-at-home mommy from Williamsburg Brooklyn.

by Anonymousreply 30March 10, 2012 7:57 PM

"False equvialency."

by Anonymousreply 31March 10, 2012 7:59 PM

I hate "nonsensical". It's like "misogynistic". People trying to sound smart by contorting words only show the limits of their vocabulary.

by Anonymousreply 32March 10, 2012 8:05 PM

OP, you're quite self entitled to be the DL hall monitor, aren't ya hon?

by Anonymousreply 33March 10, 2012 8:06 PM

Preternatural.

by Anonymousreply 34March 10, 2012 8:20 PM

Beating a dead horse to death. That one has annoyed me off-and-on. I hyphenate freely too, and my people are from ... non-urban areas of the western parts of of central-east-coast states. Suppose that's why?

by Anonymousreply 35March 10, 2012 8:42 PM

"Ish Kabibble"

My oldest brother isn't musically silly or entertaining.

He's half-blind, nearly deaf, and fat with moobs. He rightfully deserves the title 'Sack of Shit' - not "Ish Kabibble".

by Anonymousreply 36March 10, 2012 8:46 PM

R35, just so you know, when you hyphenate unnecessarily, it makes the phrase feel as if it's stopping and starting again in those places. It breaks up whatever you're saying, makes it choppy, and distracts from your meaning.

by Anonymousreply 37March 10, 2012 11:47 PM

[quote]it makes the phrase feel as if it's stopping and starting again

Perhaps the point, Polly Prissy-Pants

by Anonymousreply 38March 10, 2012 11:58 PM

This thread is making me HORNY as HELL

by Anonymousreply 39March 11, 2012 12:09 AM

R14 Hows this?

Because I spent over $100 on my on-line order, I was informed I was entitled to get free shipping.

by Anonymousreply 40March 11, 2012 3:10 AM

that warn't me

by Anonymousreply 41March 11, 2012 8:39 AM

"Have a good one!"

by Anonymousreply 42March 11, 2012 9:02 AM

So what the OP is saying is that the mistaken use of "entitled" by clowns like him, when actually he means "self-entitled", should be the basis for now using the term entilted to mean self-entitled.

Entitled = deserving Self-entitled = having baseless or unfounded sesne of being deserving

I can't pronounce ask, I keep saying aks. Genetic metathesis or something. So lets just stop the use of ask.

by Anonymousreply 43April 23, 2012 8:33 PM

I wonder what you would be criticizing, if your math grades were high enough to get into a real post secondary program. If use of the word "Self-Entitled" bothers you, you're likely a self-entitled bitter asshole/ English major.

by Anonymousreply 44November 17, 2012 11:36 AM

Somebody's got a case of the Mondays :( frowny face!!

by Anonymousreply 45November 17, 2012 12:07 PM

Irregardless and I could care less - my two pet peeves! Think about what you are saying dumbbells!

by Anonymousreply 46November 17, 2012 12:41 PM

``Please stop using...``

by Anonymousreply 47November 17, 2012 12:41 PM

Wrong, R32. "Nonsensical" is in the dictionary, and it's perfectly acceptable as a different form of the word nonsense. Compare "That statement is nonsense" to "That's a nonsensical statement." Both phrasings are acceptable.t

by Anonymousreply 48November 17, 2012 2:32 PM

OP's post was intentionally ironic...right?

by Anonymousreply 49November 17, 2012 2:39 PM

"Misogynistic" is in the dictionary as well. The word has been in existence since 1821.

by Anonymousreply 50November 17, 2012 2:41 PM

OP is confused because so many people say "entitled" when they mean "self-entitled". So it seems redundant. But those people are wrong. "You should know by context what they mean" isn't a license to just be wrong. Wrong is still wrong.

If I said "That guy just cut in line! What an important asshole!" would you know by context that I really meant that he's a self-important asshole? Probably not. "Entitled" and "self-entitled" work the same way.

If someone says "I could care less" when they meant "I couldn't care less", I shouldn't be expected to pick up through context which meaning they ACTUALLY wanted. They should say the one they mean.

by Anonymousreply 51January 27, 2013 12:54 AM

OT and R7 get their definitions from The Valley Girl Dictionary.

by Anonymousreply 52January 27, 2013 12:58 AM

"Entitled" means entitled–as in "deserving of" or "having a right to"—for god's sake.

Persons whom DLers describe as "self-entitled" can be more clearly and less awkwardly described as having a false sense of entitlement.

by Anonymousreply 53January 27, 2013 1:13 AM

There's nothing sadder than an "oh, dear" troll who can't even do it right.

Poor OP.

by Anonymousreply 54January 27, 2013 1:19 AM

Closure, "reach out", "literally" when something isn't necessarily literal, ironic, "going forward" for "from now on"

I would also like to encourage people who attend concerts of classical music to try and restrain themselves from giving a standing ovation unless the performance really and truly deserved it. When I hear and/or see that a performance has been given a standing ovation these days it really means nothing anymore because audiences do it all the time now, whereas in more discerning times standing ovations were doled out judiciously and everyone in the audience understood this; it's more about estimation and less about emotion, not the other way around.

"My 'child' is a star/genius/record poopshooter/singular jizzbag, etc. etc. etc. at such and such school" bumper stickers.

Straight guy hugs constantly at base/foot ball games among the team members--I would rather see the staid handshakes of old than that fake, phony shit.

"Baby on board"--what the fuck does this mean?

Anyone who uptalks should be severely bitch-slapped.

by Anonymousreply 55January 27, 2013 8:11 AM

This thread has certainly become boograhmocious. Bartle du?

by Anonymousreply 56March 22, 2013 4:55 PM

Dear OP you are not the boss of me.

by Anonymousreply 57March 22, 2013 4:57 PM

Just because self-entitled is a buzzword doesn't mean it can't be used properly. Also the reason it's envogue now is because there are so many people that are self-entitled and unaware of the fact! The Neo-Tea party comes to mind ...

The proof is in the pudding and I breezed through the thread and noticed or failed to notice anyone using it in a sentence to compare and decide.

"She appeared entitled to another piece of pie since she was best friends with the owner of the pie shop."

"She appeared self-entitled to another piece of pie since she was best friends with the owner of the pie shop."

Clearly the addition of "self" denotes calling into question: authenticity, sincerity, or at the very least propriety or lack thereof. I agree it is kind of a clunky word combination, not as velvety self-entitlement to be sure, but colloquially, use it up! If you find yourself to be, the type of person who has an inherent fear of slang words and gentle colloquialisms, you may possibly suffer from syntactical constipation. You may benefit from a few hours with an analog book, maybe something about Hunter S. Thompson or a few choice words by Sylvia Plath or James Baldwin.

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by Anonymousreply 58February 28, 2015 9:24 PM

[wuote]"Nonsensical" is in the dictionary, and it's perfectly acceptable as a different form of the word nonsense. Compare "That statement is nonsense" to "That's a nonsensical statement." Both phrasings are acceptable.

"Nonsense" is a noun.

"Nonsensical" is an adjective.

by Anonymousreply 59March 2, 2015 4:33 AM

With compliments of Merriam-Webster, Online Dictionary, and Free Dictionary, please enjoy the following definitions of "entitle."

verb (used with object), entitled, entitling. 1. to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim: His executive position entitled him to certain courtesies rarely accorded others. 2. to call by a particular title or name: What was the book entitled? 3. to designate (a person) by an honorary title.

transitive verb 1: to give a title to; designate 2: to furnish with proper grounds for seeking or claiming something This ticket entitles the bearer to free admission.

1. To give a name or title to. 2. To furnish with a right or claim to something. The coupon entitles you to a $5 discount. Everyone is entitled to the equal protection of the laws.

Please pay particular attention to the phrase, "to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something." Now, without hurling pejoratives, please explain how a person self-entitles a thing.

Kurt Vonnegut: “There’s only one rule that I know of, babies—God damn it, you’ve got to be kind.”

by Anonymousreply 60March 13, 2015 7:06 AM

Cis anything.

Now that's entitled.

by Anonymousreply 61March 13, 2015 7:14 AM

[quote]Persons whom DLers describe as "self-entitled" can be more clearly and less awkwardly described as having a false sense of entitlement.

Exactly. "Self-entitled" is just a lazy way of saying that someone has a false sense of entitlement, and it sounds idiotic.

by Anonymousreply 62March 13, 2015 7:35 AM

Word choice matters. "Self-entitled": you're emphasizing and criticizing the fact the person granted himself a special right. "False sense of entitlement": you're emphasizing that the person's belief in having the right is false and delusional. Depending on which character flaw you're attacking, you should choose your words appropriately. To do otherwise is "lazy".

by Anonymousreply 63June 25, 2015 2:50 PM

Oh good gravy. The OP is correct (which is easy to confirm from a simple dictionary search, incidentally.)

It’s a parts of speech issue.

As an adjective, “entitled” always means “to have a an inherent belief that one is deserving of special treatment or consideration.” (What an entitled asshole! Kids today are so entitled. Etc.)

As a verb, “entitled” means to give someone special treatment or to bestow a title on something. (Employees are entitled to two weeks of paid vacation. Read your benefits package and make sure you get everything you’re entitled to. Etc.)

So, yes...you can easily tell what is meant from context because one is an adjective and the other a verb.

“Self-entitled” is redundant because the idea that this is a belief about your own self is intrinsic to the definition of entitled. In other words, “entitled” as an adjective already means “a personally held belief” which renders the descriptor “self” completely unnecessary.

If you want to confirm, just do a dictionary search. You’ll find that “self-entitled” isn’t in the dictionary. Unlike some of the comparisons that people here have used like “self-important” and “self-righteous” which are in the dictionary. (The “self” is necessary in these cases precisely because “important” and “righteous” don’t mean “an inherent, personally held belief” so the descriptor makes sense in these cases.)

Anyway. OP...this is a pet peeve of mine, too. I cringe when someone says or writes “self-entitled” because it’s incorrect...redundant and a non-word.

by Anonymousreply 64June 13, 2019 9:18 PM

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-entitled

by Anonymousreply 65June 13, 2019 9:22 PM
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