I had these threads saved in Favorites in my web browser, but when I just clicked on the links in order to send them to somebody, I got an error message saying "thread does not exist".%0D %0D PLEASE tell me these have not been lost forever! Does anybody have a link that works to them??%0D %0D WHY IS THIS SITE ALWAYS SO INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING TO NAVIGATE???
"Golden Girls Inconsistencies" and "Bizarre Golden Girls Lines and Logic" Threads
|by Anonymous||reply 175||01/31/2016|
Everything prior to April has been deleted for ever and ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||09/01/2010|
I guess we'll just have to start over.
Why was a substitute teacher on the board of so many charitable organizations?
Why did Blanche's children have deep Southern accents if they grew up in Miami?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||09/01/2010|
1 Dorothy was just a substitute teacher but she was also a bitch on wheels, the kind that boards need to raise money and support.%0D %0D %0D 2 Blanche's kid grew up in the "old" Miami, before the Cubans took over.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||09/01/2010|
Enough with this eighties sitcom.%0D %0D Get a life and/or move on.%0D %0D But definitely grow-up.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||09/01/2010|
"But definitely grow-up"%0D %0D Oh the irony...
|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/01/2010|
Blanche was from Atlanta, not Miami, I guess the writers/producers/directors figured that someone from the "deep South" would have a strong southern accent. %0D %0D But if Blanche's kids' accents bother you, you could also ask why Dorothy's kids didn't have New York accents. Or why did all of Rose's friends from St. Olaf (with the exception of the three brothers who bring news of Rose's winning the St. Olaf citizen of the year award) seem normal and not a little off like her?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||09/01/2010|
'Twas Woman of the Year award R6.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||09/01/2010|
Blanche's grandson, David, had a totally Brooklyn accent.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||09/01/2010|
Blanche has said that she raised her family in the house, in Miami. Also, when she found out George had fathered an illegitimate son, the trust fund he set up for him was set up in Miami, so the Devereauxs had been in Miami for about thirty years.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/01/2010|
Have they ever established when Stan and Dorothy moved to Miami?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/01/2010|
I thought Dorothy moved to Miami after the divorce to get away from Stan. Once they got to Miami, Sophia was placed in Shady Pines and Dorothy moved into Blanche's home.
What happened to Coco? AIDS?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/01/2010|
Can we PLEASE euthanize the lonely old Golden Girls troll?%0D %0D Every aspect of the show, its writers, its success, its cast has been dicussed here for years and one person seems to be intentionally posting new threads on it each day.%0D %0D OP, what is it about this long dead television program which has you so obsessed? Why not just get the back issues and enjoy but leave the rest of us in the future?%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 12||09/01/2010|
Oh STFU R12.
It's better than all that Mad Men shit that gets posted endlessly every hour.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/01/2010|
I was overseas during much of the 80s and 90s so old TV shows are new to me. Also I was working and going to school in the 70s and missed much of that TV era.%0D %0D I recenly bought the first season of Golden Girls and am enjoying the heck out of it. I'm also into DVD sets of Remington Steele, Scarecrow & Mrs. King and The Mary Tyler Moore Show. They're better than the shlock on TV today. I watch just one episode of each, every week, as if I were back there in time.%0D %0D The dialog between Mary Richards and Mr. Grant, when she was applying for a job at the TV station, is one of the funniest moments on TV -- EVER!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/01/2010|
R12, the Golden Girls is actually popular with a new generation. It's a timeless comedy, unlike "Friends."
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/01/2010|
Bea Arthur was as times FEMALE in that show.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/01/2010|
[quote]WHY IS THIS SITE ALWAYS SO INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING TO NAVIGATE???
This site is like the Democratic Party. Both assume that they can perform like shit for their gay supporters but it doesn't matter because the gays will keep coming back for more
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/01/2010|
My impression was that Blanche and her husband moved to Miami after the kids were grown. Her daughter Rebecca lived in Atlanta, remember?
Sophia's accent was WAY off. She was supposed to have immigrated to America from Sicily as an adult, so why would she sound so Brooklyn Jew?
Betty White actually seemed to have a slight Minnesota accent (and certainly the right look, with her blonde hair and blue eyes) - despite the fact that she was actually raised in LA.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||09/01/2010|
[quote]she did not do a Sicilian-American accent, that was Brooklyn JEW all the way.%0D %0D Exactly like my cousins wife. She grew up Christian in Germany but her first home in the U.S. at age 22 was Brooklyn. She now lives in North Carolina and still sounds like a Brooklyn Jew - all the inflections, hand movements, etc. Nobody has a clue that she's from Germany. %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 20||09/01/2010|
My father's family all moved from Sicily to Brooklyn at different ages, and all but those who were children when they moved over maintained strong accents throughout their lives. Part of the reason was because Italian was still spoken in the home and in the neighborhood, so it was still their primary language.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||09/01/2010|
"Can we PLEASE euthanize the lonely old Golden Girls troll?%0D %0D Every aspect of the show, its writers, its success, its cast has been dicussed here for years and one person seems to be intentionally posting new threads on it each day.%0D %0D OP, what is it about this long dead television program which has you so obsessed? Why not just get the back issues and enjoy but leave the rest of us in the future?"%0D %0D Dude, that's exactly what I'm trying to do - see if anyone else has links that work since my links now say "Thread does not exist" (even though in the case of "The Golden Girls Inconsistencies" thread, it existed at that link for like three years). Your problem is with the webmaster (Editor?) - if he or she hadn't screwed with things, I wouldn't have had to post this.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||09/01/2010|
Don't sweat it OP. Let R12 invest in a better computer that has scroll bars so that he's not forced to open every thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/01/2010|
I vote for there to always be a Golden Girls thread running.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/01/2010|
W&W for R18
|by Anonymous||reply 25||09/01/2010|
The Golden Girls live in Datalounge.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||09/02/2010|
The Gil Kesler episode was on this morning, it bothered me so much. Why would the media devote so much coverage to a city council election?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||09/22/2010|
Good point, r27. Since when do City Council races feature
A) reporters staking out a candidate's house
B) front-page coverage of a woman seen leaving the candidate's house
C) live television coverage of the candidate's press conference to address the rumor?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/22/2010|
I've always thought it odd that these ladies-who were on fixed incomes, basically-had a seemingly inexhaustible wardrobe of spectacular evening gowns.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/22/2010|
Supposedly, Dorothy had one Aunt and one Uncle. But Sophia mentions sleeping with several of her brother(s) in the old days, so there had to be more Uncles, at least.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||09/22/2010|
I never understood why they cast a man to play the part of "Dorothy."
Was that some sort of inside joke?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/22/2010|
You're right, r30, there was no consistency to their financial situation at all. As you say, they had all those beaded evening gowns, and were constantly going to charity benefits and galas which presumably had a hefty admission price. Yet in other episodes they're portrayed as practically living on the brink financially. Like in "The Auction" (the one where they bid on a painting by the artist they've found out is dying) - their roof is leaking and Dorothy says they can "barely afford a patch job", which they've been told costs a couple of hundred dollars. The three women between them can barely afford to scrape together a couple of hundred dollars??
(This is leaving aside the issue of - since when do renters have to split the cost of maintaining a house with the owner?)
|by Anonymous||reply 33||09/22/2010|
I'm glad this thread is back and despise complainers. There are dozens of threads on the side I never click on because they don't pull my interest, I don't go in them and whine.
I want to know why Blanche was always hard up for money yet she was getting all kinds of rent, probably something as a result of her husbands death, had a job herself and already owned the home???
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/22/2010|
[quote]they had all those beaded evening gowns
Junior League Thrift Shop in Coral Gables.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/22/2010|
In Blanche's defense, r34, her "job", like the other two, seemed to consist of working about one day every other week.
But yes, presumably George should have left her pretty comfortable if he also had enough to set up a trust fund for his illegitimate son. It raises the question of why she was so strapped in the first place that she had to essentially open a boarding house.
And yet she thinks nothing of, for example, showing up at the airport and paying whatever they charged for a same-day round-trip cross-country airline ticket (on the "Grab That Dough" episode). And neither do a part-time grief counselor and a part-time substitute teacher (who, remember, is so strapped that she puts an ad in the paper saying she is willing to do anything for $8 an hour).
Also regarding Blanche's finances: I love how she received a bonus at work that was large enough to give Lillian $150 a month for however many more years Lillian lived. Since when does a museum award multi-thousand-dollar bonuses (in 1980s money, remember) to employees who barely qualify as part-time?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||09/22/2010|
"large enough to give Lillian $150 a month for however many more years Lillian lived"
The woman was practically 150 years old. Blanche wasn't risking much.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||09/22/2010|
I personally don't give a shit whether you post one golden girls thread a day of five hundred - because I'm an adult and I have this thing called "free will" that allows me to scroll past threads I don't care about and find ones I do - and with the sidebar feature, those threads never even have to leave my sight, making being a total cunt about things just that much harder.
But here you are, working your ass off at it anyway, god love ya.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/22/2010|
This thread is hilarious. Keep up the good work, guys!
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/22/2010|
True, Lillian could have keeled over any day - but she also easily could have had another three or four years in her, which would have meant $5,400 to $7,200.
Of course, since they never mentioned her again, after a couple of months Blanche may just have "forgotten" to keep making the payments, leaving Lillian to be thrown out onto the streets.
Kind of like when Sophia convinced Martha Lamont not to commit suicide by promising her she can come over all the time - and then she is never seen again. Sophia specifically promised her they would spend Christmas together - and then the very next Christmas they all went to the church soup kitchen and cruelly forgot about poor Martha! And remember, Martha had no other friends or family. She probably ended up dying alone in her apartment with nobody even knowing she was gone until the neighbors started complaining about the smell! Nice, Sophia!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||09/22/2010|
It bothered me that they made a two-part episode about Dorothy's Chronic Fatigue Syndrome-which was a serious issue-and then never referred to it again. Dorothy apparently was symptom-free for the rest of the series run.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/22/2010|
I've warmed to the faux Empty Nest pilot episode. Hallmark ran it last night. There are SO MANY cringeworthy moments, it's actually become fun to watch.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||09/22/2010|
Yup, r41. The disease was so severe that Sophia worried Dorothy might die from it - and then it was completely cured simply by the fact of her getting a correct diagnosis.
I know Susan Harris wrote that episode because she had chronic fatigue syndrome herself (and I guess wanted to bring attention to it as she had had struggles similar to Dorothy's in getting doctors to take it seriously). But I always wondered why she wouldn't feel it would kind of trivialize the disease since the show clearly planned it would disappear at the end of the episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||09/22/2010|
I also enjoy watching that episode because of its badness, r42. It's such a "What were they thinking?" feast. Who thought those stupid jokes about Rita's brother's multiple personalities were funny? Who thought that ugly, irritating girl who played the daughter would be an appealing person to watch on television every week?
It boggles the mind that Susan Harris could just have created four of the most popular and beloved characters in television history - and then turned around and thought THAT piece of dreck was a good script.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||09/22/2010|
I was always glad that when Susan Harris had those awful bouts with the shingles, she didn't have an episode with Rose getting the shingles.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||09/22/2010|
Re: Gil Kessler, why would three women without considerable or impressive means, help run a campaign for a politician they're not even terribly fond of, and hold a fundraiser at their house?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||09/22/2010|
Right - and two days before an election, isn't it more important for a candidate to be doing public events before as many voters as he can, rather than just the 9 or 10 extras populating the girls' fundraiser?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||09/22/2010|
How many fundraising/charitable boards were they on?!
*Gil Kesler's campaign
*Friends of Good Health Award (when all 3 get the flu)
*Save the Wetlands (HIV episode I think)
*Save the Dolphins (Dick van Dyke episode)
*Bob Hope episode
*Jake the caterer episode
*Citrus Festival (Big Daddy dies)
|by Anonymous||reply 48||09/22/2010|
I remember when Sophia's sister (played by Nancy Walker) was on, as Sophia's only remaining relative. Then, like a miracle, Uncle Angelo shows up years later.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||09/22/2010|
"And how come they had so many unannounced visitors who just showed up at the front door (even late at night) without calling first? Nobody ever called ahead on that show - they just came to the house and rang the doorbell. This happened constantly."
As a corollary of this, I swear there are examples of people showing up at their door who wouldn't have had any way of knowing their address. At first I was gonna say the Minnesotan hooker from jail, but I guess at some point later in the night after Sophia had left for Burt Reynolds, Rose could have given the hooker her last name, and then she looked Rose up in the phone book and got the address. But I feel like there are other times when somebody who wouldn't even have known the girls' last names just shows up at their door.
P.S. On the Minnesotan hooker - on her way to the airport, she pays her cab driver to take a detour to Rose's house to thank her in person? Instead of just picking up the phone? And it was probably an expensive detour, since I assume it was way out of her way - she must have lived in a very different part of town.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||09/22/2010|
Remember when they were post-op trannies?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||09/22/2010|
And who could forget the Burt Reynolds orgy.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||09/22/2010|
[quote]And speaking of houseguests, why didn't any of them ever stay at a hotel?
OMG, you would not believe how moving to Florida brings on the guests. A friend of my parents came, we thought for a weekend. I stayed at a neighbors house since this woman, a heavyweight, sort of took over my bedroom. She stayed on through the week, and then next weekend, and the next week. It was unreal. She was there for nearly a month.
When I was in college in the north (my parents' home was in Fort Lauderdale) it seemed that half the campus wanted to go home with me for Spring Break.
Houseguests on Golden Girls are not unusual for anything with a Florida locale.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||09/22/2010|
[quote]P.S. On the Minnesotan hooker - on her way to the airport, she pays her cab driver to take a detour to Rose's house to thank her in person? Instead of just picking up the phone? And it was probably an expensive detour, since I assume it was way out of her way - she must have lived in a very different part of town.
I think it had been established in an earlier episode via yet another visiting relative that Richmond Street was not too far from the airport. Like 10 or 15 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||09/23/2010|
"I think it had been established in an earlier episode via yet another visiting relative that Richmond Street was not too far from the airport. Like 10 or 15 minutes."
Making it even more bitchy of them to be so lazy that they won't put down the magazine, get up off the couch, and drive 10 minutes to pick up a relative from the airport
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/23/2010|
Not to mention, if they do live that close...then why no engine roars from the sky?
Is Miami International that dead?
|by Anonymous||reply 57||09/23/2010|
I thought of more - The Save the Lighthouse foundation where they put on a telethon, and the Volunteer of the Year award, when Blanche's brother Clayton brings his boyfriend.
Not to mention all the community theater productions they were involved in - "Macbeth", "The Taming of the Shrew", "Cats", "The Sound of Music" and of course the "Picnic" spoof with Patrick Vaughn!
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/23/2010|
The community theater episodes were some of the funniest.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/23/2010|
Hallmark just ran the Barbara Thorndyke episode, and bleeped the climactic line, "Go to Hell."
Now they're playing the Grab that Dough episode, but allowed Dorothy to say, "We'll look like Hell."
Who the hell's in charge of Hallmark's backwaters, double-standard censorship?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||09/25/2010|
r60, the censorship on the Hallmark channel IS ludicrous. In 2010 we have censorship of an 80s sitcom? WTF?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||09/25/2010|
Add another charitable board, fashion show chairman of the Tinkerbelles.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||09/25/2010|
Also, how were they invited to serve on the boards of so many charities and galas when (except for Sophia) they had no friends except each other, and never socialized with other women?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||09/25/2010|
It's been established that Dorothy and Rose can barely make ends meet in several episodes, so why do they devote so much time to doing charitable work? Why not get a second job?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||09/25/2010|
And yet the layers and layers of clothes that Bea wore must have cost thousands.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||09/25/2010|
[quote]And yet the layers and layers of clothes that Bea wore must have cost thousands.
No, they were very inexpensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||09/25/2010|
Why would a bride who finds out her fiance cheated on her just show up and ring the doorbell at her caterers' house at 3 a.m. to talk to them about it? And why would the fiance call the caterers at 3 a.m. looking for her? He just assumed that's where she would have gone?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||09/25/2010|
How come Rue and Estelle were the only ones whose shots in the opening credits were updated? Bea was the only one to sport drastically different hairstyles throughout the show's run, yet her pics were never updated.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||09/25/2010|
Why did this thread suddenly fizzle? Did all the GG fans depart for another forum?
|by Anonymous||reply 69||10/07/2010|
Thanks to r69 for bumping this! (I'm the one who just started another thread asking if anyone had the link to this.)%0D %0D Now I get to add my latest observation of Bizarre Golden Girls Logic: When Stan comes by to tell Dorothy about his open-heart surgery and Dorothy asks Rose to take her place on the double date with Blanche and the twins, Rose says she can't because she has to drive the bookmobile for the grief center.%0D %0D Why would a fucking grief center ever run a bookmobile service?? How could this possibly be a sensible allocation of its funds?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||10/07/2010|
R70 I thought it was amusing that while none of the girls like Stan, all four of them come to the waiting room for his hours-long bypass surgery.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||10/07/2010|
my 27 year old niece loves the golden girls. she makes her bf watch the dvd's with her, and he's only 20. poor kid.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||10/07/2010|
So true, r71. And that just makes it even more grating to me in the one where Sophia goes to the hospital with pneumonia and the doctor says she might die, and Dorothy tells the other girls to go home because she'd rather be alone, and they do. Sophia might DIE and Rose and Blanche just go home?? %0D %0D Yes, I understand that the whole plot of the episode depended on Dorothy being alone at the hospital (so Stan could come back and comfort her and she could decide she still loves him and has to stop his wedding).%0D %0D But REALLY, would it have been that hard for the writers to have built in to the plot some urgent reason that Rose and Blanche couldn't stay? Off the top of my head - how about the girls are expecting 20 guests for a charity breakfast at the house the next morning at 8 a.m. and they still have to cook the food? Then Dorothy could say, "It's the middle of the night and we can't get in touch with the guests to cancel. It won't do any good to have us all sitting in this waiting room - you girls go home and cook, and I'll call you if there's any change." BINGO! Then you have a legitimate reason for them to leave. (If I can think of this, why couldn't a full writing staff?)%0D %0D Instead, the fact that they leave and it's only Stan who is thoughtful enough to come back and see if she's changed her mind about being alone... it's just annoying to me how that makes Rose and Blanche seem callous and uncaring.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||10/07/2010|
One of the most far-fetched episodes has to be the one where Rose, after a near-death experience, starts running with a wild new crowd of "beach friends" and staying out all night with them. How the fuck does Rose meet these people? And they apparently like her, as they keep calling her up in the middle of the night. They're presumably young, since Blanche says, "They're like animals! All they do is party and carry on all hours of the night!" Why in hell would they be like, "Hey, we're partying - let's call up that old lady we met on the beach the other day!"
|by Anonymous||reply 74||10/08/2010|
In the Christmas episode when they're at Rose's counseling center and the pyromaniac asks Dorothy for a light, why does she have matches in her purse? Unless it was a thing back then that even non-smokers would carry around matches in case somebody needed a light, this seems ridiculous.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||10/14/2010|
How many kids did Blanche and Rose have? Didn't the number fluctuate?
|by Anonymous||reply 76||10/15/2010|
R61, the cutting is not censoring content, they are shaving time to fit in more commercials. They do it very egregiously for I Love Lucy, too--when they show it.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||10/15/2010|
How many hospital/medical emergency episodes did they do? Off the top of my head:
- Dorothy needs to get the thing on her toe removed
- Stan has bypass surgery
- Rose dies and goes to heaven and comes back and moves out of the house
- Blanche gets a pacemaker
- Blanche goes in for plastic surgery but decides against it at the last minute
- Sofia gets pneumonia and almost dies
- Sofia gets hit on the head with a baseball
- Sofia is a candystriper
- Rose discovers her biological father is a patient at the hospital
- Blanche refuses to visit her beau when he goes to the hospital
- Rose's dog cheers up a hospital patient
- Miles gets plastic surgery/ the Pope visits the hospital
- Rose has heart surgery
|by Anonymous||reply 78||10/15/2010|
I can't imagine a modern show messing with the canon this way and not getting shit for it. Writers have to be pretty diligent these days.
That said, I love this silly, hilarious show!
|by Anonymous||reply 79||10/17/2010|
In addition to all the numerous contradictions of things established in previous episodes, there should be a separate category for when the writers, within one episode, would write things that were blatantly impossible time-wise.%0D %0D For instance, in the one where Rose gets the AIDS test, they come up with the idea for a celebrity auction on the day Rose gets the test. Then, the very next morning, they already have in their possession Susan Anton's compact and Jamie Farr's dress.%0D %0D Or the one where Sophia gets hit by the baseball - right before the game, Rose and Blanche are shown returning home from the audition for CATS. Sophia and Dorothy leave for the game, then go to the hospital, where Rose and Blanche come rushing in from rehearsal in their costumes. So not only did this show schedule a first rehearsal the very same day it held auditions, BUT it was a full dress rehearsal, in form-fitting costumes the costume designer had apparently tailored in the few hours since the audition?%0D %0D Yeah, they wanted the great sight gag of Rose and Blanche in cat costumes - but then why write it so they're returning from the audition in the first scene? Why not just have them headed off to a rehearsal and use that to set up that they are in the show? Did anyone on the writing staff ever consider this?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||10/17/2010|
If Sophia gave "Grab That Dough" her old address in Sicily by mistake, then how did the tickets eventually make their way to her in Miami? Are there people living underneath the old bridge who are still forwarding her her mail?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||11/04/2010|
Good point. And wouldn't they have forwarded it to Brooklyn, since that's where she moved to? Unless the present Puerto Rican (Oh, God!) tenants then forwarded it to Miami.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||11/04/2010|
There is some censorship, when Blanche gets mad at Rose about having a garage sale she says "I don't want 50 people in Simpson's tshirts trying to knock off a quarter off your I lost my ass in Vegas mug in my house" or something like that, the word ass is bleeped out, so is a scene where Blanche says SWEET JESUS it's changed to SWEET JUDAS.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||11/04/2010|
Also, what happened to the Hunka Hunka Burning Love fan club started by Rose and Blanche?
|by Anonymous||reply 84||11/04/2010|
In the episode with the gay wedding caterer, Blanche says to him at one point, "You're just about ready to fly right out of here, aren't you?", which I guess is a reference to him being very gay and light in his loafers. Most times when I see this episode in repeats though, this line is cut out.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||11/04/2010|
r12 = Barbara Thorndyke
|by Anonymous||reply 86||12/27/2012|
They disbanded and joined a club less fanatical. I believe it was the PLO.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||12/27/2012|
Remember the episode of Golden Girls where it snowed in Miami and the girls all stayed home at Christmas and gave each other home made calendars?
|by Anonymous||reply 89||12/27/2012|
How can Rose be so stupid yet have a blind sister? It makes no sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||12/27/2012|
When Stan brings his brother Ted around, he has to remind Sophia who he is by saying he danced with her at Stan and Dorothy's wedding. That makes little sense. Stan and Dorothy were married for nearly 40 years, and you mean to tell me in all that time Ted and Sophia have NEVER seen each other at family events etc???
|by Anonymous||reply 91||12/27/2012|
Sofie is old, and them people forget. She's also had a stroke.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||12/27/2012|
Why do they insist on saying lanai?
|by Anonymous||reply 94||02/11/2013|
Is it a Florida/southern thing, R94? I work with someone from Florida and I've heard her use the term.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||02/11/2013|
r85: well excuse me for living, Anita Bryant!
|by Anonymous||reply 96||02/24/2013|
Yes, here in Florida, a screened in porch is called a lanai, by everyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||02/24/2013|
One thing that didnt seem realistic, was Sophia's reaction to a Puerto Rican living in her old apt. Anyone who's ever lived in NYC would not be surprised by that, no matter what the neighborhood was like, New Yorkers are used to them changing, and very used to Puerto Ricans. It's worth noting, that as she walked in he said to her, "Don't steal anything" which got a laugh, I guess because she's white, and whites think Puerto Ricans steal often ( ? ) but Sophia steals quite a bit. She regularly steals from Dorothy, the other girls, and hotels and restaurants she goes to.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||02/24/2013|
all I have to say is that growing up this was and remains to be my favorite show. Disecting it is un-fun. It had four wonderful actoresses who deserve to be remembered in their glory and to be a critic to them now ks wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||02/26/2013|
Old people don't act like that. They sit around and try to eat food without their dentures falling out.
And they certainly don't have sex. I mean they didn't even have Viagra yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||02/26/2013|
Do you think Blanche did anal or would that be considered unladylike?
|by Anonymous||reply 101||02/26/2013|
Nope, Blanche would never do the anal.
Rose? Yes, she grew up on a farm, so she does all the filthy unholy things animals do. Hell she probably did it with that pig that was living with them.
As for Dorothy? Nope to repressed to do the anal, the oral, or anything but missionary and aligned with Catholic teaching.
Sofia? Down at the docks waiting for the fleet to come in.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||02/26/2013|
Please, Blanche had anal sex for sure. She was a slutty Southern Belle who wanted to remain a virgin for her husband. Later in life she probably preferred doggy style so she could imagine it was George Clooney ... uhm, I mean Burt Reynolds who's doing her from behind and not some sad old patron from the Rusty Anchor (a piano bar, for some reason).
|by Anonymous||reply 103||02/26/2013|
"One thing that didnt seem realistic, was Sophia's reaction to a Puerto Rican living in her old apt. Anyone who's ever lived in NYC would not be surprised by that, no matter what the neighborhood was like, New Yorkers are used to them changing, and very used to Puerto Ricans."
I disagree - I think there would have been lots of New Yorkers of Sophia's age who would have had that reaction. My grandmother lived in Park Slope all her life, and I don't think she particularly liked seeing the neighborhood in the '60s and '70s become less the Irish/Italian enclave she knew and more black/Latino. She wouldn't come out and say blatantly racist things about it, but I do think she associated the neighborhood's rise in crime with the rise in the non-white population (I'm not defending this perspective, just saying that I do think a lot of New Yorkers of Sophia's age weren't thrilled about ethnic changes to the neighborhoods they were attached to).
|by Anonymous||reply 104||02/26/2013|
r65, don't forget Dorothy's "yarmulke and hefty bag" ensemble.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||06/03/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 106||08/04/2013|
Rose was from Minnesota but her blind sister had a Southern accent?
|by Anonymous||reply 107||08/04/2013|
I always wondered if Marc Cherry and Jamie Wooten were a gay couple. They were credited together when they were writers/producers for the show and when they went on to create "The Five Mrs. Buchanans." Were thy together then and did they break up before Cherry created "Desperate Housewives?"
|by Anonymous||reply 108||08/04/2013|
Blanche) Shut up you dimwit, I hope you have AIDS
Rose) Only bad people get AIDS
Dorothy) I hope you both have it.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||03/05/2014|
Why did Blanche who was known to have gonorrhea and syphilis get more yahoos than Dorothy? Was it because her weeha was crusted over?
|by Anonymous||reply 110||03/29/2014|
[quote]Why would a bride who finds out her fiance cheated on her just show up and ring the doorbell at her caterers' house at 3 a.m. to talk to them about it? And why would the fiance call the caterers at 3 a.m. looking for her? He just assumed that's where she would have gone?
She went there to cancel the wedding dinner, not necessarily to talk to them. That just came out when she explained the reason why.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||01/04/2016|
In the Foreign Exchange episode I noticed how tall Nan Martin appears to be. She is even taller than Beatrice Arthur, who was said to be 5'9. I can't find on the internet how tall Nan was. Does anyone know?
|by Anonymous||reply 112||01/04/2016|
Lloyd Bochner was in the show twice, so it's a wonder that the girls didn't recognize him as Patrick Vaughan when he re-appeared as The Hairdresser in "Rites of Spring" and gave them Sophia-style hairdos.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||01/04/2016|
In the Barbara Thorndyke episode Rose knows what a metaphor is, granted after Blanche explains it to her, but in the later episode where Rose thinks she is too dumb to be with Miles, she tells him she doesn't know what a metaphor is.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||01/04/2016|
[quote]She is even taller than Beatrice Arthur, who was said to be 5'9.
According to Bea, she was 5'9 1/2", but she often lied about things in her personal life, like that she was never in the marines though The Smoking Gun unearthed her documents shortly after death. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to fudge her true height and trim off a couple of inches, since she was very self-conscious about it. When she did the Archive of American Television interview in 2002, she talked about how she hated being the tallest girl and what-not. This was also the interview where she was asked outright if she'd served in the military, which she bluntly denied.
Anyhoo, her marine photo clearly shows that she's pushing, if not inf act, 6 feet tall:
|by Anonymous||reply 115||01/04/2016|
Well It seems that Nan Martin was still taller than Beatrice because she looks like she is stooping in the episode. I should re-watch Nan's episode as Frieda Claxton to see if she does it in that too.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||01/04/2016|
R113 - there were repeat appearances by supporting players as different characters but yes the Lloyd Bochner one does stick out, since he is what could be called a star. I don't recall another star that did this on the show, but maybe it happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||01/04/2016|
Another star 2nd appearance was Geraldine Fitzgerald.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||01/04/2016|
Yes she was in the mother's day episode in a scene at a train station wit Rose, and later she played Martha who asked Sophia to be with her when she wanted to suicide.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||01/04/2016|
The weirdest one is when Blanche says she was a virgin on her wedding night then later says she wasn't
|by Anonymous||reply 120||01/04/2016|
They would show a shot of the outside front of the house, there was a two car garage and never a car in the driveway. Three ladies each with a car, and no cars ever in the driveway? Also they would often look out the kitchen window to see the driveway but the house shown had no kitchen view of the driveway.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||01/04/2016|
Philip Sterling was a lovely character actor who appeared twice, first as Blanche's psychiatrist when she starts going through menopause, and then later as the psychiatrist who has a session with all 4 girls, where he has a different name.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||01/04/2016|
Bea seemed more comfortable when she had a man to play opposite who was taller than her, like Herb Edelman who was said to be 6 feet 5.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||01/04/2016|
Rose's daughter, Kirsten, was played by two different actresses during different seasons. Why in the hell was Blanche's mother in a nursing home in Virginia when Blanche lived in Miami? How did Dorothy make enough money to support herself as a subsitute teacher and was always wearing her fabulous 1980s wardrobe and evening clothes not including of her other expenses.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||01/04/2016|
When their friend Mary was kicked out of her home by her father for being 16 and pregnant, she appeared to stay in Sophia's room. However we didn't get the usual accompanying scene of Dorothy and Sophia sharing a bed in Dorothy's room.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||01/05/2016|
Blanche's Big Daddy was played by Murray Hamilton and David Wayne. Hamilton died in September 1986 so he was presumably not available for the episode where Daddy is getting married again, and this is why Wayne was cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||01/05/2016|
On the pilot episode, Blanches bedroom was on the linai (sp).
The linai entrance was also reversed. They entered from the left and not the right.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||01/05/2016|
[quote]The weirdest one is when Blanche says she was a virgin on her wedding night then later says she wasn't
That's not really an inconsistency... Blanche was a known liar.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||01/05/2016|
In the episode where they're contestants on "Grab That Dough," one of them says how they'll be heading to Hollywood. Rose replies, "Hollywood, California???" and they all look at her like she's a moron because what other place could they be talking about?
The show took place in Miami... it would not be unreasonable for any of them to think it could have been Hollywood, FL, a mere 30 minutes or less away.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||01/05/2016|
[quote]Why in the hell was Blanche's mother in a nursing home in Virginia when Blanche lived in Miami?
Not IN Virginia, WITH Virginia her sister.
[quote]How did Dorothy make enough money to support herself as a substitute teacher and was always wearing her fabulous 1980s wardrobe and evening clothes not including of her other expenses.
Bought the clothes then returned them. That is how Blanche got the idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||01/05/2016|
Stan (Herb Edelman) was born in 1933.
Dorothy (Bea) was born in 1922
Rue was only one year older than Edelman, she was born in 1934.
Stan was far too young for Dorothy.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||01/05/2016|
When did Rose's mother die? She appears in the first season. A few episodes later in the Polly Holiday/Lily blind sister episode, Rose is looking at a candlestick or something and says to Lily "those were mother's", inferring that the mother had passed away.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||01/05/2016|
To me, the most glaring inaccuracy is the age of Dorothy and Stan's children. We all know from Dorothy constantly bemoaning the fact, that she and Stan were together for 38 years. We further know that Dorothy got knocked up by Stan and had to get married. Ok, so where and when did we ever see a child of theirs that looked like they were pushing 40 or beyond? We had Scott Jacoby as Michael (who bedded Rose's college-aged daughter Gretchen and who later married / divorced a much older black woman named Lorraine) and we had Lisa Jane Persky as Kate (who married Dennis the doctor early on in the series). Neither of them were anywhere near 40, so what happened to the love child of Stan and Dorothy??????? Or should I say "Dan" and "Morothy"???????
|by Anonymous||reply 133||01/05/2016|
R130 but then why did Dorothy admonish Blanche in "Miles to Go" for doing just that? Blanche bought an expensive dress to wear for a date , with the intention of returning it afterward. Dorothy didn't approve, and later accidentally spilled juice on it, causing Blanche to bring it to the dry cleaners and then getting the two receipts mixed up, so she was forced to buy it in the end.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||01/05/2016|
R131 what's even funnier is that in "Brotherly Love," Stan's baby brother comes to visit and is played by McClean Stevenson (b. 1927) who was six years older than Edelman. Interestingly, they both died in 1996 within months of each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||01/05/2016|
Stan and Dorothy's son Michael is introduced in Season 2' "A Family Affair" where he fucks Rose's flat-chested daughter. He is said to be 29, which was Scott Jacoby's real age at the time. A season later, in "Mixed Blessings," where he is to marry Rosalind Cash, his age is given as 22. Both times the character was played by Jacoby, which is strange in GG-land when a returning character is usually played by a different actor. Granted, he did look much younger (and cuter) in his return, after he shaved off that ridiculous porn-stache and cut off his Jew fro.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||01/05/2016|
r130 No, I specifically remember the episode Blanche visited her mother in a nursing home in the state of Virginia, and the mother had dementia.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||01/05/2016|
R137, yeah, Blanche mentions going to visit her mother in a convalescent home in Virginia, in the "Mother's Day" episode. Then, there's a flashback to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||01/05/2016|
Virginia was Blanche's sister. She went to visit VIRGINIA her sister.
[quote]but then why did Dorothy admonish Blanche in "Miles to Go" for doing just that? Blanche bought an expensive dress to wear for a date , with the intention of returning it afterward. Dorothy didn't approve,
Because Dorothy was a bitch who hated that Blanche stole her idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||01/05/2016|
[quote]We further know that Dorothy got knocked up by Stan and had to get married. Ok, so where and when did we ever see a child of theirs that looked like they were pushing 40 or beyond?
That baby died only they never talk about it. That was the subplot to "Come Back Little Sheba." Dorothy had to marry Stan and the kid dies and they are stuck married. Later they have kids. No one talks about it, but it happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||01/05/2016|
[quote]Virginia was Blanche's sister. She went to visit VIRGINIA her sister.
From the "Mother's Day" episode:
BLANCHE: "I remember the last Mother's Day I spent with my mama. I was back in Virginia. Mama had been ill for some time, and she was recovering in a convalescent home. It was a lovely place..."
|by Anonymous||reply 141||01/05/2016|
She said "I was back WITH Virginia
|by Anonymous||reply 142||01/05/2016|
She said "I was on my back with Virginia and Ham at Grady's Motor Lodge."
|by Anonymous||reply 143||01/05/2016|
How come Dorothy is poor and her sister is rich but in the next episode her sister is the rich one and Dorothy is poor?
|by Anonymous||reply 144||01/05/2016|
|by Anonymous||reply 145||01/05/2016|
Were their kitchen chairs patio chairs? They look like it to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||01/05/2016|
Hoorah for this thread, I didn't realize that my DVD was missing the Family Affair and Vacation episodes until now.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||01/05/2016|
Paul Dooley was in the show twice and as two characters. As Rose's date in Love, Rose and as George the neighbour in the Empty Nest pilot.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||01/05/2016|
Harold Gould played Arnie Peterson in season 1 before taking on the Miles role in season 5. The guy who played Kid Pepe in the season 4 boxing episode also played the newscaster at Rose's TV station. And then there's Nan Martin and Vito Scotti. Oh, and the guy that died of a heart attack in Rose's bed in season 1 also played Blanche's boss at the museum in the season 7 murder mystery cruise episode. Any other actors play more than one role?
|by Anonymous||reply 149||01/05/2016|
R116 here. I did re-watch the Frieda Claxton episode and Nan Martin leans back in the courthouse scene where she talks to Dorothy. Interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||01/06/2016|
Meg Wylie, who played the air hostess Candy in the episode where the 3 girls are on a flight going to Rose's aunt's funeral, also appeared in 3 other episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||01/06/2016|
One episode had the 4 girls returning from a Madonna concert. She would not seem to be someone that they would go to see, and it appears that the writer's only made it so to allow them to riff on Madonna's sex antics and her name.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||01/06/2016|
George Grizzard appeared twice on the show as two characters. Once as the brother of Blanche's dead husband, George, and the second time as George himself in a dream Blanche had.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||01/06/2016|
In the episode Sophia's Wedding the caterer sobs at the reconciliation between Sophia and Dorothy and says that it is more moving that Susan Hayward's climactic speech in I Want to Live. But there is no such speech in that film.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||01/06/2016|
R154 on a similar vein, when Rose and Blanche are cast as nuns in a production of THE SOUND OF MUSIC, and they're rehearsing in the living room. Blanche says, "Can we take it to the top of Scene 3? I'm standing on the balcony of the Von Trapp home, listening to artillery shells bursting in the distance, and you come running on from upstage." Then Rose does her lines, "The Nazis are coming! The Nazis are coming!" And Sophia suddenly runs out of the kitchen into the living room muttering, "Everybody, grab a gun and run to the basement!"
For one, there's no such scene in THE SOUND OF MUSIC. Two, the nuns never set foot on the Von Trap villa or are ever shown outside the abbey. And three, the Anschluss was not a violent takeover (as the movie showed); the Germans simply marched in without resistance. In fact, the Nazis were greeted with Nazi salutes, Nazi flags, and flowers. Georg was definitely the exception to the rule.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||01/06/2016|
R155 I meant to write that the nuns are never shown outside the a-b-b-e-y, but it won't show. Strange.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||01/06/2016|
[quote]In the episode Sophia's Wedding the caterer sobs at the reconciliation between Sophia and Dorothy and says that it is more moving that Susan Hayward's climactic speech in I Want to Live. But there is no such speech in that film.
Don't fuck with me, R154!
|by Anonymous||reply 157||01/06/2016|
R156 That's one of the DL forbidden words. It has to do with some crazy poster who threatened to sue. But since it's also the name of a popular semi-gay bar in WeHo, it causes a lot of problems.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||01/06/2016|
This may be a bit off topic but I never found the instances where Dorothy or Blanche hit Rose over the head funny. It's just mean.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||01/07/2016|
Hallmark TV really butchered some of the episodes, probably not to offend anyone. In the season 1 episode where Rose dates the midget, they totally edit out Blanche's hysterical story about her forbidden romance with Benjamin in the deep south (as well as Dorothy's very funny reaction). In the season 4 episode where Sophia marries Max, Dorothy's comparison of the Elvis fan club to the PLO is scrapped. Bea's timing with that line is priceless.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||01/07/2016|
I noticed there are some edits in the DVDs I have of the series too. I don't remember from the original broadcast what was cut but it is apparent that lines had been removed from the jarring footage.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||01/09/2016|
The later seasons had some sloppy writing. When Blanche went home for Big Daddy's funeral, Sheree North was back as Virginia, but she only had one scene scolding Blanche. She really need to have a second where the women reconciled. Also in the episode where Dorothy plans to re-marry Stan, the caterer from Sophia's Wedding was back but he was only given one funny line at the wedding rehearsal. However the episodes that dealt with the death of Sophia's son, Phil, and the one where Miles leaves Rose had some unprecedented emotion.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||01/09/2016|
R160 I love Blanche's story!
|by Anonymous||reply 163||01/09/2016|
Benjamin wasn't black. He was from New Jersey. I went to my prom with a Yankee!
|by Anonymous||reply 164||01/09/2016|
Dorothy's response was equally hilarious: "A Yankee? That's incredible! And to think they made a movie about that deadbeat Gandhi, when there's a story like this that hasn't been told."
|by Anonymous||reply 165||01/09/2016|
I love the look on Dorothy's face at the Elvis Fan Club meeting, when she's handed Elvis's partially eaten pork chop encased in glass, with all the fraus oohing and aahing over it. Then she lets out a laugh and exclaims, "This has to be a fake, Elvis would never have left this much meat on a pork chop!"
|by Anonymous||reply 166||01/09/2016|
In the season 6 episode about Phil's death, Dorothy asks Rose if she has ever given an eulogy, since Dorothy has been asked to do so for Phil. However Dorothy knows that Rose had to deliver a eulogy for her aunt in Season 3.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||01/13/2016|
All the rerun versions are missing different things. The original syndicated versions that aired on local TV cut the "how would you feel if one of your kids was gay" conversation from "Isn't It Romantic." Lifetime cut little bits of pieces here and there but not whole scenes. Hallmark essentially turns it into a TV-G version; they cut the entire scene with the boy with AIDS when Sophia is volunteering at the hospital in "A Day in the Life of Sophia Petrillo," and they censored the word "ass" as in "shoppers in [italic]Simpsons[/italic] T-shirts trying to knock a nickel off your 'I lost my ass in Vegas' cup," even though in that context "ass" meant donkey.
The only episode confirmed edited on DVD is "Like the Beep Beep Beep of the Tom Tom" from season 5, but someone posted the deleted scene on YouTube. Even in the uncut versions, you can see the episodes getting shorter and shorter over the passage of seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||01/13/2016|
In reference to cut things. There is a moment in the opening credits with Blanche sitting on the living room couch, wearing a red jacket where she pulls her hand back from the sleeve. I can't find what episode that is from. Can anyone help me identify it?
|by Anonymous||reply 169||01/28/2016|
That scene is from the episode "Break In".
|by Anonymous||reply 170||01/31/2016|
The sleeve moment is cut from the DVD release but perhaps a little internet digging can find out what the gag was.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||01/31/2016|
This is in the trivia section on the episode on IMDb: "In the opening credits, we see a shot of Blanche in a red jacket drawing her hand inside her sleeve - yet this shot is never seen in an episode. In fact, the shot was from a scene in the Season 1 episode "Break-In", but was cut. Its use in the opening credits is considered the 'Flying Dutchman' of lost scenes for the series."
|by Anonymous||reply 172||01/31/2016|
There's also a shot in the extended version of the opening credits where Blanche is jogging out the door past Rose. I can tell from Rue's hairdo that it's from the first season, but which episode is that from?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||01/31/2016|
[quote]Its use in the opening credits is considered the 'Flying Dutchman' of lost scenes for the series."
Flying Dutchman, flying Dutchman .... oh-- you must mean that KLM pilot who took me to Aruba!
|by Anonymous||reply 174||01/31/2016|