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History and Persecution-In defense of "ghetto" names\

In some cultures in Africa, the naming of a child is a very important and sacred ceremony. The child is usually given a name that represents the situation of their birth or a name that represents the hopes and dreams the parents have for their child.

When Africans were taken to America to become slaves, they were not only stripped of their clothes, they were also stripped of their names, taking their identities, and hopes and dreams. The slave master had deemed their meaningful African names too "exotic" and too hard to pronounce. In order to turn the slaves into mindless, chattel, upon which to build America's wealth, it was deemed necessary to rid the African people of a cultural identity. The slave masters usually gave slaves names from the bible such as, Luke, John, James, Joseph, Mary, Eve, and Ruth. Some were given short, percussive names such as Tom and Bill. During the time shortly before the Civil War, some masters named their slaves after the American forefathers such as Washington and Jefferson.

After the Civil War, many slaves decided to reinvent their identity by making their names more unique. Common names such as Lucy were embellished to Lucinda. Some common Western names such as John and Mary began to fall out of favor with White people as more and more Black people began using them. Many Black people were not connected to their African roots, they didn't know much about the naming ceremonies, or the names that were traditional for their African ancestors. The need to celebrate their freedom and distinction from other cultures in America manifested itself in these changes and unique trends in naming.

During the 1960s, the Civil Rights Movement was gaining momentum. Black people were eager to have equal rights in America, as well as discover their African roots, and create a unique Black culture. This manifested itself in the naming of Black children, and the re-naming of people involved in the Civil Rights movement. Many Black people had Arabic names as the Nation of Islam rose to power within the Black community. Names such as Malik, Raheem, and Fatima became popular. The Black boxer Cassius Clay re-named himself Muhammad Ali, and the famous Black basketball player Lew Alcindor, who is now known as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar changed his name in accordance with this trend within the Black community.

Naming within the Black community got more creative as time went on. The creativity that invented the smooth sounds of Jazz and the unique, poetic flows of Hip-Hop spilled over into the naming of Black children. A mixture of Swahili-sounding names and pleasing percussive sounds gave birth to names like Lakesha, Swantezza, Johntae, Rashawn, and Shaquan. Dreams of prosperity and better lives for their children inspired parents to name their children after luxury items such as Lexus, Prada, Chanel, and Treasure. Qualities and nouns that parents felt described their children gave rise to names like Heaven, Omunique (pronounced I'm unique), and Precious.

Blacks have been under fire for years for these "ghetto" names. Whites have continually persecuted and scorned the kids with these creative names without knowing the history behind them. Even Black people have begun to criticize those who give their children these creative names, saying that Black children should have more "normal" names. But why? Why should Black people's names be changed? Too often Whites and others attach Black stereotypes to these creative names. They feel as though people with these names are poor, uneducated, lazy, or criminals. The stereotypes have gotten worse as time goes on.

In 2009, one of the most watched videos on Youtube was of two young men rattling off a list of "The Top 50 Ghetto Names." They included stereotypical references to watermelon and kool-aid. Many people laughed at the video, not really understanding why it was offensive, and the affect their ostracizing has on Black lives. In 2003, Marianne Bertrand, an associate professor at the University of Chicago graduate school of Business, and Sendhi Mullainathan of Massachusetts Institute of Technology, designed a study called "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" The study was designed to see if there was any discrimination towards people with Black sounding in the screening of applications for different jobs. The team sent out over 5,000 applications answering want-ads in the Boston Globe and The Chicago Tribune. They gave each of the fake applicants either very White sounding names like Emily Walsh or Brendan Baker, or very Black sounding names like Jamal Jones or Lakisha Washington. The study showed that those with White-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to get a call for an interview for the job. It didn't even matter if the applicants with Black sounding names had more credentials, or were better qualified for the job. The field in which the applicants were trying to get a job didn't matter much either, the discrimination was the same across the board. Even jobs that posited that they were "Equal Opportunity" discriminated at pretty much the same rate.

The lesson from this study and the history of Black names is that names represent an identity that was created after everything was taken from African people. More people should try to understand the rich history of this naming trend before labeling the people who have Black names as "ghetto" or incompetent. No one should be forced to change their name to be seen as qualified for any job. Anyone who thinks these names are stupid or outrageous doesn't understand that they are being duped into thinking that originality is a bad thing, who made them the all-important deciders of which names are "normal" and which names are not? It is absolutely illogical to try and infer what a person can or can't do, or how much they do or don't have, just by their names alone.

by Anonymousreply 24201/06/2015

If you can't stand the heat, don't name your child Jamonica.

by Anonymousreply 108/19/2010

Formerly in H.R. and routinely those with names like Lakeesha and Shaniquia were thrown out without consideration. The director assumed they would be low class and poorly educated and did not want to waste time talking to them.

by Anonymousreply 208/19/2010

I don't care what color your skin is, but naming your child Jermajesty, is lame. Same goes for Apple.

by Anonymousreply 308/19/2010

While I worked in the legal department of a Time Warner unit I watched attorneys merrily tossing resumes with Afrocentric names and/or black colleges/extracurriculars and any state schools other than Ann Arbor or UCLA.

by Anonymousreply 508/19/2010

Some of my best friends are goat people. The animals are generally fun and their people tend to be bizarro. True story!%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 608/19/2010

My favorite ghetto name is Latrina.

by Anonymousreply 708/19/2010

R6? You confused me, honey, but I'm happy for you and your goat mates.

by Anonymousreply 808/19/2010

There is no excuse for giving your kid a dumb name.

by Anonymousreply 908/19/2010

When a Caucasian woman with the first name "Muffie" was running for the School Board, I voted against her just because of the awful name. Skin color doesn't always matter when the name is awful.

by Anonymousreply 1008/19/2010

The problem with the names is that many of them just show up the sad longing and lack of sophistication of the parents behind them - for luxury items that most of the parents certainly can't afford (Armani, Remy, Lexus) to trying to sound 'French' and exotic (LaToya, Antoinique, Ladanian). They accomplish the opposite of what they're attempting to do. Few people with real money and sophistication would name their kids after expensive booze, for example. And unfortunately, the kids unfairly pay the price in the form of assumptions about their character and abilities.

This exists in white America too - think of all the trailer park chicks with funky names.

by Anonymousreply 1108/19/2010

Give me a effing break. If you know how the system works then deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 1208/19/2010

Excuse me, OP, but the name isn't "Precious." It is "Precious, based on the novel 'Push' by Sapphire." Don't make this mistake again or I will cut you.

by Anonymousreply 1308/19/2010

R11

Tell me about.

by Anonymousreply 1408/19/2010

Slavery ended over a century and a half ago. Most Irish people you know are from stock that was persecuted and even purposely starved far more recently than that. And every Vietnamese you see has been likely to have suffered such in his or her own person. And yet we constantly hear this sort of thing from African Americans who have their own fate in their own hands.

by Anonymousreply 1508/19/2010

I'm sure 70% of the American people want children in our society to have names that are more traditional.

Why is the will of the people being ignored?

by Anonymousreply 1608/19/2010

Your legal name should be simple and conventional. If your parents want to show creativity with a wacky nickname for you, that's fine.

There was a study that showed that "a rose by any other name" in fact does not smell as sweet. Different words create different impressions. It is ingrained, immutable human nature to associate traits with names and words.

It should be noted that it is a big lie that the name effect only applies to ghetto names. Another study showed that old fashioned "white" names like Mabel and Floyd caused people to be discriminated against in favor of preferred names like Jennifer and Michael.

by Anonymousreply 1708/19/2010

[quote]Qualities and nouns that parents felt described their children gave rise to names like... Omunique (pronounced I'm unique),

LOL!!!!

by Anonymousreply 1808/19/2010

I know a woman who named her baby Alaya. Can you imagine what that kid would go through with boys in her grade school? She's home schooled (age 9) so she really has no interaction with 9-year-old boys taunting her.

by Anonymousreply 1908/19/2010

If I was black, I would have 26 kids, and I would name them Akika, Bakika, Chakika, Dakika, Ekika, Fakika, Gakika, Hakika, Ikika, Jakika, Lakika, Makika, Nakika, Okika, Pakika, Quakika, Rakika, Sakika, Takika, Ukika, Vakika, Wakika, Xakika, Yakika, and Zakika.

by Anonymousreply 2108/19/2010

I can respect the tradition of this naming process, but I still found that You Tube video (made by black men), absolutely hilarious. It was purposely over-the-top.

by Anonymousreply 2208/19/2010

You want to hear bad names? Let me tell you, they come from ALL walks of life. Check out "Baby's Named A Bad, Bad Thing". Plenty of ridicule to go around, and much worse than the infamous Utah Baby-Namer website.

by Anonymousreply 2308/19/2010

>Kayytl'N

Did you just make that up, or is it relayed from personal experience?

by Anonymousreply 2408/19/2010

ITA with the poster who mentioned trailer park names being as bad as ghetto names. %0D I also hate names like Sandy Meadow, Crystal Dawn, etc.

by Anonymousreply 2508/19/2010

This piece is not very deep. It really boils down to "Don't be racist or classist just because other people have names you consider silly."

by Anonymousreply 2708/19/2010

I think part of what I find grating about the African-American naming trends is the tendency to raise multiple children and give them all variations on the same name, like they're all just parts of a matched set. That strikes me as dehumanizing to the kids, as if they're all interchangeable. For example, I remember reading about a woman who had three little girls named Shaliqua, Shamiqua, and Shaniqua. Of the six teens that drowned in the Red River a couple of weeks ago, two were named JaTavious and JaMarcus and two were named LaTevin and LaDairus.

Then there's that gem of a lady, Angel Adams from Tampa Florida, who was in the news a few months ago. 15 children by three different men. Ten of the kids were fathered by a man named Garry Brown (he's in jail serving a five year term for dealing cocaine). A sampling of the kids' names: Garry Nesha, Garry Brown Jr., Garry Lethia, Garryiell and Garry Rick.

by Anonymousreply 2808/19/2010

Britney Jean Spears: The Ultimate Piece of Trailer Trash!

by Anonymousreply 3108/19/2010

If you had two equally impressive resumes in front of you and one had a name with a traditional spelling (say, Haley) and another with a "creative" spelling (say, Haleigh), and you only had time to meet with one of them, don't tell me you would pick Haley.

Don't tell me.

by Anonymousreply 3208/19/2010

I worked with a woman once whose name was Eunick(pronounced Unique). She's black, and her parents were well educated as was she,(her mother was a nurse). I always felt bad for her, and wondered what her parents were thinking.

by Anonymousreply 3308/19/2010

Relatives of relatives named all their spawn after the father, Don. After Don Jr., Donna and Donielle, they were stuck with Derick, Doink, Duwayne, and Duh.

By the way, in the local black ghetto, if somebody says you're sweet it means he/she thinks you're gay. For a while, I thought everyone was saying I'm a kind, loving person.

by Anonymousreply 3408/19/2010

[quote]don't tell me you would pick Haley. Don't tell me. by: Liar! You would totally pick Haley!!

Put down the crack pipe.

by Anonymousreply 3508/19/2010

Another examination of the issue found that hiring managers threw out resumes with names that they were unsure of how to pronounce. People don't like to have to ask how to pronounce a name. The easiest way to deal with it is punch and delete.

by Anonymousreply 3608/19/2010

All to often, and sadly, it's the black folks who bring the stereotypes along with the names.

by Anonymousreply 3708/19/2010

This helps explain why Chloe Sivigny and Jake gyllenhall went into that business of show, R36.

by Anonymousreply 3808/19/2010

My sister wanted to name her son "Breion". I tried to convince her for the entire pregnancy to consider "Brian" instead. Thankfully she easily persuaded!

Ancient Roman names are also a trend within the ghetto. I've met Lucien, Brutus, Julius, Antonius, Lavinia, Calpurnia, Venus and Octavius.

by Anonymousreply 3908/19/2010

I've never met any blacks with ancient Roman names. I thought only old white guys were named Lucien.

by Anonymousreply 4008/19/2010

The predominant reason white people are all naming their kids weird/stupid things is supposedly because, in the age of the internet and googling yourself, everyone wants their children to be able to stand out on, say, Facebook. If your kid is named something common, like Joe Smith, he'll be *gasp* unable to get ahead in terms of social networking.

by Anonymousreply 4108/19/2010

Death to America.

by Anonymousreply 4208/19/2010

r41, my first, middle, and last names are each very common names, but fortunately, I was able to register the url for the combination before anyone who shares my name. Yay!

by Anonymousreply 4308/19/2010

Meet Marijuana Pepsi Sawyer. Named after her mom's two favorite things!%0D %0D She turned out okay, though. Got her masters degree and is a teacher.

by Anonymousreply 4408/19/2010

It's one of my favorite pastimes coming up with unique ghetto names for characters in whatever future pulp fiction I am going to write. Any "D'" name is always a winner.%0D %0D You know there has to be some poor girl walking around with the name D'Lishusse.

by Anonymousreply 4508/19/2010

A story told by Eudora Welty: A woman wanted to name her baby after a term she heard during delivery - Placenta!

by Anonymousreply 4608/19/2010

R28, naming kids somewhat as if they are a matched set is an old Chinese custom. Children of the same gender all receive the same first character/name, and are distinguished by the second character/name. My former roommate and her sisters (born in HK) were all named that way, but after moving to the US they all picked English names.%0D %0D Now, George Foreman naming all of his children George, was pretty egotistical.

by Anonymousreply 4708/19/2010

My brother and his wife (upper middle class, well-educated, big outdoors/ecotravel types) wanted to name their daughter "Crystalline Dawn" which reminded them of their favorite wilderness camping spot. My mother was finally the one to say out loud that it sounded like the name of a waitress who lived in a trailer park. %0D %0D They ended up naming her Rachel Lake instead, which was not quite as bad but still pissed off my mom.

by Anonymousreply 4808/19/2010

" Hi Y'all"

"Just call me Shithead".

"ummm... that's pronounced Shi - they- add'

by Anonymousreply 4908/19/2010

Why do so many Asian immigrants adapt American names from the 1910s, like "Edgar" and "Helen"?

by Anonymousreply 5108/19/2010

"Another examination of the issue found that hiring managers threw out resumes with names that they were unsure of how to pronounce. People don't like to have to ask how to pronounce a name. The easiest way to deal with it is punch and delete."

Does this mean that hiring managers also throw out resumes with bizarre foreign names? What are you saying only the Smiths, Jones...that just Wasps get hired?

I don't think so, read the masthead lists for most magazines, there are some pretty weird names there.

What about weird Asian names? Hung Lo IS a real name. I worked with a Vietnamese guy named Dhat.

It's hard to believe that hiring managers might be passing up on so many talented individuals simply because they are too snobby or just plain lazy to ask how to pronoun a person's name. That's sheer stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 5208/19/2010

[quote]Sometimes white people just need to mind their own business. Don't we have bigger things to worry about in this country besides how people are deciding to name their children?

But it was a black person who wrote the column at the OP, and another one who posted it.

by Anonymousreply 5308/19/2010

R1, "Wilson", "Benson" and "Mason" are popular too.

by Anonymousreply 5408/20/2010

good point r47. but lots of cultures used to have customs wherein children were all given the fathers' name, one of the reasons being that back in the day, infant/child mortality rates were so high that if you had a family of 10, only a handful might end up making it to adulthood.

in Antiquity, Roman boys would frequently all have the same name as their father, and would be given a first name that was just a number to tell them apart (Primo, Secundo, Tertio, etc.). Girls were all given a female form of their fathers' last name, ie all the daughters of Gnaius Flavius would be named "Flavia" and had no last name until they were married.

I would argue that even though it may be a cultural norm or tradition in some places, it's still a dehumanizing practice that has little place in modern day America, which seems reflected in your Chinese-born friends' decision to pick unique English names for themselves once they came here. (flame away, cultural relativists)

by Anonymousreply 5608/20/2010

[quote]I was referring to all the posts on this thread. Most of them are quite tiresome. Yet again: why should white people "mind their own business" about black people's names (as you say at r50) when it was a black person who posted this thread and brought the whole topic to everyone's attention here? It seems you have a double standard.

by Anonymousreply 5708/20/2010

Is it only me, or is there quite a bit of racial tension around here lately?

by Anonymousreply 5808/20/2010

[quote]not really understanding why it was offensive, and the affect their ostracizing has on Black lives. Oh, Dearaniqua.

by Anonymousreply 5908/20/2010

lol! r59

by Anonymousreply 6008/20/2010

Last night a Glee re-run had a reform school black girl called Aphasia.

by Anonymousreply 6108/20/2010

I always found that the biggest criticism of these names come from other black folks, paticularly older middle class and working class black folks. Also, I work with a lot of actual African people and all of them have not only American first names but old fashion American names: Charles, Judith, Jacob, Althea, Harriet, Angela, etc.

by Anonymousreply 6308/20/2010

[R28] Where do you live?

by Anonymousreply 6408/20/2010

At one of my first jobs, whenever the office manager had to fill a position, all resumes with exotic names were discarded. I sneaked a look at those and in most cases the candidates were all qualified and experienced. Pissed me off.

by Anonymousreply 6508/20/2010

[quote]Everyone in this topic needs to go plant a tree or something more useful. Including yourself?

by Anonymousreply 6608/20/2010

If you see the name Antwan his momma was too dumb to know how to spell Antoine.

by Anonymousreply 6808/20/2010

It's not only blacks who are discriminated against because of names. Teachers in different school districts were asked to grade essays from 25 students. The content was the same. Elmer, Floyd,and Bessie got lower marks than John, Michael, or Jennifer.

by Anonymousreply 6908/20/2010

Oh those black people have such funny names.

by Anonymousreply 7008/20/2010

In Central Pennsylvania Aaron, Jacob, and Moses were common names; lots of Amish and Mennonites. When I moved to The Big Apple, only Jews had those first names.

by Anonymousreply 7108/20/2010

I worked at two companies where HR would toss resumes in the trash if the names were "ghetto" or if the candidate went to a "black college" like Howard. This happens all the time in the business world.

by Anonymousreply 7208/20/2010

Chakakhan Wilson filled out a job app last week at my place of employment....

by Anonymousreply 7308/20/2010

"That's not an African-American tendency at all--I went to high school in a very wealthy and Republican (and white) suburb in the Midwest, and our next door neighbors named their children Kyle, Krissie, Kevin, Katie and Ken."%0D %0D What exactly is wrong with these names? Many families I know, black and white, name their children with names using the same first letter: Jonathan, Jessica, Jennifer, Jacob; Kalen, Keith, Kevin, Kayla, Kammie.%0D %0D Those are all far from ghetto names and this naming convention is used quite frequently.%0D

by Anonymousreply 7508/20/2010

r49, you may say Shi-they-add, but my friend Shithead says Shy-theed. Two syllables are easier to remember.

by Anonymousreply 7608/20/2010

My neighbor's kids were James, Jason and John.%0D When their mother wanted them she'd holler for "J One, J Two or J Three."

by Anonymousreply 7808/20/2010

"The bias shown in preferring certain colleges is particularly insidious."%0D %0D %0D So a BA from Harvard is the same as a BA from the University of Phoenix?

by Anonymousreply 7908/20/2010

Someone had to bring that horrific untalented drag queen into this discussion. Why R80?

by Anonymousreply 8108/20/2010

R70, while there was indeed a Miss Ima Hogg (1882-1975, a wealthy oil heiress who never married) in Houston, it is a myth that other family members had weird names. Her brothers were William, Michael, and Thomas. Ima is an old-fashioned name.

by Anonymousreply 8208/20/2010

[quote]What exactly is wrong with these names? Many families I know, black and white, name their children with names using the same first letter: Jonathan, Jessica, Jennifer, Jacob; Kalen, Keith, Kevin, Kayla, Kammie.

It's trashy.

by Anonymousreply 8408/20/2010

I went to the "debutante" ball of a girl named Omara because her father, Oscar, had to have children with "O" names. So it was Omara, Oscar Jr., Omar--and a late addition to the family-- Oscara.

by Anonymousreply 8508/20/2010

"I think part of what I find grating about the African-American naming trends is the tendency to raise multiple children and give them all variations on the same name, like they're all just parts of a matched set."%0D %0D Oh, like John-David, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson and Johannah Duggar?%0D %0D Not that they aren't as uneducated and out of touch with the working world as any ghetto kid.

by Anonymousreply 8608/20/2010

No one in Africa is named Shaniqua or Moesha. The idea that these names somehow put anyone in touch with their roots is ridiculous. And plenty of Jewish and Asian kids are named Jennifer and Michael and are still perfectly in touch with their respective roots.

by Anonymousreply 8708/20/2010

[quote]And plenty of Jewish and Asian kids are named Jennifer and Michael and are still perfectly in touch with their respective roots.

Jews have secret Jew names.

by Anonymousreply 8808/20/2010

ding ding ding ding!%0D %0D Shirley Q. Liquor, R80, wins Best Post of the Thread.

by Anonymousreply 9008/20/2010

I know a black girl named Mayenaizze

by Anonymousreply 9108/20/2010

None of those "ghetto" names for my kids.

I've named them "Doctor", "Professor","Sir" and "Her Most Serene Majesty".

by Anonymousreply 9208/20/2010

R123: That has been a favorite site of mine for years, despite it no longer being updated. She is taking the names from frau bb, so everyone here will think it's the greatest site ever.

by Anonymousreply 9308/20/2010

R92, you forgot "Princess". %0D %0D Too bad "Jermajesty" is already taken. But how about "Jerhighness?"

by Anonymousreply 9408/20/2010

Blacks would sometimes give children such name as "Mister" or "Sir." That way as adults, the person could not be demeaned when whites used the first name.

by Anonymousreply 9508/20/2010

[quote]I went to the "debutante" ball of a girl named Omara because her father, Oscar, had to have children with "O" names. Why is "debutante" in quotation marks?

by Anonymousreply 9608/20/2010

Former heavy weight champion of the world George Foreman has 11 children, and each of his first five sons are named George: George Jr., George III, George IV, George V and George VI.

(Wiki)

by Anonymousreply 9908/20/2010

r99, George Foreman has been hit in the head many times.

by Anonymousreply 10008/20/2010

The worse part is that it is an unusual name and yet the person will not help you spell or pronounce it and treats you like you are stupid for not knowing the name you have just heard for the very first time.%0D %0D Telephone call:%0D %0D Hello is Shawn there.%0D %0D I am sorry there is no Shawn here you must have the wrong number.%0D %0D Oh, I am sorry. I was trying to return a call to Shawn Williams.%0D %0D Oh you mean DeShawn. Yes, he is here. Hold on.%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 10108/20/2010

[quote]To be fair, names like Bronwyn and Ciaran are just as foreign to black people as Kelendria, LaTavia, Tanitra and Beyonce were to white people twenty years ago. The difference between Bronwyn and Ciaran and the other names you mentioned are that Bronwyn and Ciaran are actual names, quite ancient actually (Welsh and Gaelic respectively). Kelendria and Beyonce, on the other hand, are just made up.

by Anonymousreply 10208/21/2010

[quote]They think they're smart when they claim white people are discriminated against as much as people of color are. They think their logic is solid when they say, "A black person wrote the article, therefore it's okay for white people to judge blacks based on their names." No one here said [bold]either[/bold] of those things. You're hysterically exaggerating and putting words in other people's mouths.

by Anonymousreply 10308/21/2010

Anfernee? Really?

D'Brickashaw? Really?

by Anonymousreply 10408/21/2010

"Oh you mean DeShawn. Yes, he is here. Hold on."%0D %0D Maybe the caller was searching for Chone Figgins.

by Anonymousreply 10508/21/2010

R40 Lucien is also popular with "luggage lifters".

by Anonymousreply 10608/21/2010

[quote]It's hard to believe that hiring managers might be passing up on so many talented individuals simply because they are too snobby or just plain lazy to ask how to pronoun a person's name. That's sheer stupidity.%0D %0D Not really. I've had only two decent managers in the past 20 years, so it's not hard to believe. And let's not even talk about most of the HR departments.

by Anonymousreply 10708/21/2010

De' La Sha Shanequia?

Really?

by Anonymousreply 10808/21/2010

D'Antwann. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 10908/21/2010

Mykenzeigh Jaedyn etc etc

by Anonymousreply 11008/21/2010

I work with a Lanika, Tamika and Gladys.

by Anonymousreply 11108/21/2010

Gladys is a name popular many years ago like Ethel

by Anonymousreply 11208/21/2010

The site linked upthread is really funny.

[quote]"It is pronounced just like it sounds." If it weren't Dadaism would have a new leader.

by Anonymousreply 11408/21/2010

That's Ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 11508/21/2010

A friend's mother was Gladys. She said GLA-deez and she was white.

by Anonymousreply 11608/21/2010

If your six kids are Leroy when you want the right one to respond, call them by their daddy last name.

by Anonymousreply 11708/21/2010

These "ghetto" names are just screwed up versions of Caucasian names or derived from Caucasian word formation conventions. Supposedly the African people who give their children these names are trying to separate themselves from white people yet they wouldn't even rely on actual African naming traditions instead go right to Caucasian conventions.

by Anonymousreply 11808/21/2010

There is something to be said about names. For instance if you are named "Kyle" or "Maxine, " you could be a stockbroker or an attorney. However, if you are named "Khadijah" you can run a magazine on the verge of bankruptcy; if you're named "Synclaire," you could only get a job because the head of the failing magazine is your cousin; if you are named "Overton," you will have to unstop toilets.

by Anonymousreply 11908/21/2010

"Ghetto names" are discriminated against because they're associated with... ghetto culture. %0D %0D It doesn't matter whether they're made up by the parents or ancient, how they're spelled, beautiful or ridiculous, etc. It's all about the association with the ghetto, and the double whammy of race discrimination and class discrimination.%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 12108/21/2010

[quote]I'm black with an "acceptable" ordinary name, but I've learned this much, white people always have issues with blacks no matter what they're named or what they've accomplished. If you're a "ghetto" black or a college educated, professional black, they don't like you either way and will find some way to denigrate and diminish you. I used to feel embarrassed by those "ghetto" names, but now I realize you can't win with white people who are determined to see you as only a stereotype. I say name your kid whatever the hell you want. Wow, no racism here!

by Anonymousreply 12208/21/2010

I knew a set of twins named Precious and Princess.

by Anonymousreply 12308/21/2010

Names like Jaedyn and Makayela are today's version of Destinee, Farrah and Krystal -- white trash tipoffs that mom and dad had no taste.

But in terms of "ghetto" names: Years ago, I volunteered in a battered woman's shelter. There was a young black woman staying there with her 6 month old son, who was adorable. I asked her what his name was.

She said: "His name is Gloucestershire, but we call him Sir."

by Anonymousreply 12408/21/2010

I recall two sisters who used to hold clerical jobs at Chase Manhattan, Wavine and Wavola.

by Anonymousreply 12508/21/2010

I have a friend named Ciara. Ever since that RnB singer came out, people keep addressing her as "See-are-a". Drives her mad.

by Anonymousreply 12608/21/2010

Everyone knows how to pronounce Ian, except that white boy from South Orange who thinks it's Eye-On.

by Anonymousreply 12708/21/2010

How does your friend pronounce it? "Sierra"?

by Anonymousreply 12808/21/2010

R128

Keera. I think that's the most common pronunciation.

by Anonymousreply 12908/21/2010

Queasy

by Anonymousreply 13108/21/2010

R130: Howard and the rest of the black universities are crap schools, easily third tier.

by Anonymousreply 13408/21/2010

R135: They are crap schools, most have lost or come very close to losing accredidations.

by Anonymousreply 13708/21/2010

R136: They must be relevant to blacks on the Northeast who want to attend college, because they aren't going to the hbcus if they can get into a real college.

by Anonymousreply 13808/21/2010

R139: So your opinion is blacks should attend the hbcu instead of real colleges, because otherwise those blacks are being "Uncle Toms." You do realize those schools suck, right?

by Anonymousreply 14008/21/2010

This is absolute vomit. First of all not all black folks in America are descendant of slaves. Secondly, it is not only blacks who name their children "creatively".

The more people try to embrace multi culti the more race division takes place.

by Anonymousreply 14108/21/2010

This isn't about perceived "ghetto" names. But I hate stupid spelling like "Kellee".

by Anonymousreply 14208/21/2010

Giving your child a ridiculous name is giving him a handicap.

by Anonymousreply 14308/21/2010

r141 is right that not all black folks in America are descendant of slaves, but forgot to add that only blacks born in Africa are African-Americans.

by Anonymousreply 14508/21/2010

It's been reported a mother was very upset when a teacher didn't understand that her daughter Le-a, pronounced her name Ledasha.

by Anonymousreply 14708/21/2010

[quote]Sweetie, all names are "made up". Just because some were made up before others doesn't mean they weren't made up. Somehow, I think you know this. It's a little harder for people with two brain cells. Yes, but those that were 'made up' long ago generally have an actual meaning in whatever language they were made up in. Whereas Beyonce and Kelendria don't mean shit except that Mommy thinks they sound klassy.

by Anonymousreply 14808/21/2010

Beyonce's Name Sparked Family Controversy%0D %0D R B sensation BEYONCE KNOWLES is proud of her unique name, but it caused a little controversy in her family when her mother decided on it.%0D %0D In 1981, while TINA KNOWLES was pregnant with the SAY MY NAME singer - her first child - she realised that her family name BEYINCE was dying. Tina is the youngest of seven children, but only one of her brothers had conceived a son.%0D %0D She says, "I said, 'Oh God, we'll run out of Beyinces.'"%0D %0D But when Tina and her husband MATHEW decided to give their daughter a variant of her maiden name, her French-speaking Creole father from Louisiana, LUMIS BEYINCE, was far from impressed.%0D %0D Tina admits, "My family was not happy. My dad said, 'She's gonna be really mad at you, because that's a last name.' And I'm like, 'It's not a last name to anybody but you guys.'" %0D

by Anonymousreply 14908/22/2010

Benjamin and Peter aren't English names. They're Hebrew.

by Anonymousreply 15108/22/2010

I am a 55 YO WM. I pre-judge people, black and white, with stupid, made-up names. Mostly I pre-judge their families, but the person carrying the ridiculous name as well. This will not change. Not sorry.

by Anonymousreply 15208/22/2010

Yes, but those that were 'made up' long ago generally have an actual meaning in whatever language they were made up in.

Yes, they were made up in European countries and you value you that more than anything.

[quote]There's only the illusion of some standard, when really it's one people/culture is seen as superior to the other.

Yes. And these people that see the European standard as superior are racist, like r148.

by Anonymousreply 15308/22/2010

A friend told me that a friend of hers is having baby and their naming it Jackson, but spelling it Jaxson. Lame.

I once worked with a black guy named Sheldrake but it was pronounced "Cedric".

by Anonymousreply 15508/22/2010

We had a temp once with one of those crazy names. She stole our petty cash on her last day. Go figure.

by Anonymousreply 15608/22/2010

40 years ago, girls were named Cindi, Nanci, Candi, Toni. And they dotted the i with a little circle.

by Anonymousreply 15708/23/2010

[quote]Minneapolis Police were looking for 5-year-old Wahinkpe Wade Bearnose and 7-year-old Wankiye Titus Bearnose who were last seen around 12:30 p.m. in the area of...

by Anonymousreply 15808/23/2010

White or black, if your family has a long last name use a short first name. A colleague was stuck with Gertrude Gassenheimer.

by Anonymousreply 16008/23/2010

Which is correct CEE-drick or CED-rick?

by Anonymousreply 16108/24/2010

No one in my family, immediate or extended has those kinds of names. In fact, growing up my sisters and I were constantly ridiculed for having "white" names.

by Anonymousreply 16208/24/2010

Let's put it this way: It is a fact of life that people with stupid names are looked at as being stupid. It is a fact of life that people in charge of hiring shy away from the stupid names. It is a fact of life that black people tend to have a greater percentage of stupid names. So, they would be passed over more. Is it right? Perhaps not, but it is a reality. So, even though color is not a choice, names are. If you want your child to have a better chance in life, something non-earth shattering, like giving him/her a non-stupid name will be a tremendous asset. As the t-shirt says," Don't hate the player, hate the game."

by Anonymousreply 16308/24/2010

I think weird names show up more in lower class families, but rich educated people can also have their silly names. I worked with a woman once whose name was Adjudica (she was white, raised upper middle class, father was a lawyer).

by Anonymousreply 16408/24/2010

My relative, Jason, married a woman whose name started with a J and they decided it would be cute to keep up the J trend. They have Joshua and Jorden. I hate the way they spelled Jordan. I work with a black woman who was disgusted when her niece named her baby Labius. I also ran into a good old boy named Wayne who named a daughter Waynetta. Total redneck. I really hate when black people take a normal name and add an La in front of it. LaCharles, LaMarqus, etc. It doesn't make it sound French or classy folks.

by Anonymousreply 16508/24/2010

Poor whites and poor blacks have much in common. %0D %0D "You Might Be a Redneck" and "You Might Be Ghetto" are virtually identical books.

by Anonymousreply 16608/25/2010

Shameeka, et al. once you reach the age of 18, change your name and broaden your options.

by Anonymousreply 16708/25/2010

Notice that no Civil Rights leader ever had a ghetto name. MARTIN Luther King, JESSE Jackson, Al Sharpton. Even MALCOLM X. Or take the examples of COLIN Powell and HENRY Louis Gates. These are all dignified names in the context of our culture. And these names reflected the content of their thinking. When Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King fought their battles it was by using the ideas of that culture. They certainly weren't using African ideas. Giving children African names in a culture that has nothing to do with Africa in an attempt to reconnect with some mythic roots that they are only vaguely aware of and don't really exist in reality is simply a farcical lie. But it's still better than naming your child whatever stupid thing pops into your mind, which is merely an extension of your own selfish ego and an attempt to assert your own individuality at your child's expense (to be fair white people do this all the time too). At base this is a cultural issue, not a racial one. Change the names and the issue will go away by itself without reference to skin color.

by Anonymousreply 16803/25/2011

They called him Colon Bowel.

by Anonymousreply 17003/25/2011

Latrina is the most sacred of all names.

by Anonymousreply 17103/25/2011

Shequeefa Trenton-Washington%0D %0D Labella Breedlove%0D %0D Comptonia Jackson%0D %0D Dyrell Jenkins

by Anonymousreply 17204/02/2011

R168 is right on.

by Anonymousreply 17304/02/2011

[quote]Qualities and nouns that parents felt described their children gave rise to names like... Omunique (pronounced I'm unique)

LOL!!!

by Anonymousreply 17404/02/2011

It's one thing to come up with an original name if it's really beautiful or meaningful, indicating your loving concern that this precious new life be given the best possible start. But if you name your kid Nixzmary, please forgive us if we don't have the highest expectations of your parenting skills. Especially if your name's Nixzaliz. %0D

by Anonymousreply 17504/02/2011

I work with a white guy named Leland. My boss admitted he didn't even read his resume the first time it landed on his desk because he didn't want to hire someone with such a "dweeby" name. When my boss finally interviewed him, he was hired immediately. He's turned out to be a great employee.

Now that we're both looking for new jobs again, I've noticed Leland rarely has any success getting an interview. I'm considering telling him to use the first initial-middle name-last name format on his resume to overcome any anti-dweebism he may encounter from those awful HR people.

by Anonymousreply 17604/02/2011

Why can't Leland go by Lee? I know a guy who does just that.

by Anonymousreply 17704/02/2011

We love this thread

by Anonymousreply 17804/02/2011

Hey, R177, that's not a bad idea. Maybe I'll tell him that.

by Anonymousreply 17904/02/2011

Sasha and Melia.....discuss

by Anonymousreply 18004/02/2011

Why are every post doubled?

by Anonymousreply 18211/09/2011

[quote]In 2009, one of the most watched videos on Youtube was of two young men rattling off a list of "The Top 50 Ghetto Names.

I remember this one, laughed my ass off because it was hysterical. Think I'll go watch it again!

by Anonymousreply 18311/09/2011

Back in the mid 70's the lady who had been my mother's housekeeper for 20+ years came to her one day and said her daughter was going to be having her baby soon. They were thinking of names and she wanted my mother to help her spell the name they had selected if the baby was a girl. She pronounced the names for my mother as my mother wrote them down phonetically. The names for the girl child that came off the paper were......

Sharleethia Purnia (last name Meadows)

And yes, the baby was a girl and that is exactly what they named her.

by Anonymousreply 18511/09/2011

Why are so many dead threads getting bumped?

by Anonymousreply 18611/09/2011

Chav names in the UK take some beating (and they are invariably proscribed by white people).

A friend who teaches infant school had children in his class named Guy and Giselle (twins). Their mother had read the names in a novel and liked the characters so much that she named her children after them.

However, she pronounced the names as Gooey and Gizelly.

by Anonymousreply 18811/09/2011

Well, here's a funny/weird name that didn't hurt the namee...

by Anonymousreply 18911/09/2011

There are conflated issues here. Blaming people for what their parents named them is ridiculous. Throwing out resumes for racist reasons is disgusting. But none of that means an ethical person can't dislike stupid names, whether they're the white McKaighla and Kyler or the black Latrina and D'Brickashaw.

by Anonymousreply 19111/09/2011

I went to college with a girl named Lilangel. Her legal first name.

by Anonymousreply 19211/10/2011

My niece is a HS teacher. She told me recently she has 3 kids in her class who are related. The 2 boys are brothers and a girl is their cousin, although they were all raised in the same household. They were all given royal names. The 2 boys are Prince and Lord Brantley, and the girl's name is Queenie Mincey.

by Anonymousreply 19311/10/2011

My mother was first generation Irish American. The first generation steered clear of names like Seamus, Fionula, Fergus, Siobhan, Molly. They didn't want to saddle their kids with "old country" names. There were a lot of Cathys and Pattys and Nancys, and lots of Jimmys and Dannys and Tommys.

Now the older Irish names are becoming trendier, since all the Jimmys and Cathys gave their kids names like Brendan, Kelly, Erin, and Kieran.

by Anonymousreply 19411/10/2011

Sigourney

by Anonymousreply 19611/10/2011

R49, real life is beyond parody:

by Anonymousreply 19711/10/2011

Oh my goodness, R197. Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 19811/10/2011

Heheheh.. I had a client named shithead... Shi-theed... Best day of my life... Who does that?

by Anonymousreply 19901/07/2012

Addin "la" "sh"" or "qu" to a name doesn't make it unique... or uniqula or shanique. Just makes it a stereotype.

by Anonymousreply 20011/18/2012

"After the Civil War, many slaves decided to reinvent their identity by making their names more unique." NOW we know where Monique got her name - 'cause it's more unique...

by Anonymousreply 20111/18/2012

Stage Name: Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Real Name: Michael King

by Anonymousreply 20211/18/2012

I'm black, I want to have kids, and I would never, EVER hobble a kid with one of those hoodrat names. I'm sorry, I just wouldn't. You can have an MBA from Harvard and if your name is Demarquis or Treyshawn, you're gonna be looked at like a fucking idiot.

I have a first and last name that is so common it's boring. In fact, when I'm on the phone with the credit card company or something they ask me if it's even real. That's just the way I like it. My mother told me once she almost named me Deshawn.

The fucking horror.

by Anonymousreply 20311/18/2012

[quote]The 2 boys are Prince and Lord Brantley, and the girl's name is Queenie Mincey.

Well, Queenie Mincey is posting at r207, it would seem.

by Anonymousreply 20811/18/2012

[quote]When a Caucasian woman with the first name "Muffie" was running for the School Board, I voted against her just because of the awful name. Skin color doesn't always matter when the name is awful.

Here in Alabama, we just had a Republican frau named Twinkle win the presidency of the state utilities board.

by Anonymousreply 21011/18/2012

Oooh r204 and r205 you are both so brilliant and edgy! No doubt you "keep it real" too, huh?

It's funny when a black person speaks the truth and the other crabs and the barrel want to bring him down with their own antiquated ideas of what "being authentically black" is.

You two losers are probably the same types that seethe when u see a black guy with a white girl, huh? Go ahead and keep it real. I'm gonna live my life. And I stand by what I think of these stupid ghetto hoodrat names and the idiots who bestow them onto innocent kids.

by Anonymousreply 21111/24/2012

Both whites and blacks use stupid names,,agreed. But blacks have done it almost exclusively since the 1970's or so. To me this just feeds into the racial divide of making a race different in a country that blacks are very much a part of. Its like saying i hate being here so im gonna go back to my roots by changing my name. Its a little to late in the game i would say..whats done is done. Blacks have every right as whites to feel American..not African American. Until they admit or embrace that the name change and all that goes with it will continue to hold them back..in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 21308/11/2013

[quote]Of course, for every Tarneesha, there is an Apple. Or even worse and Auto Pilot or Sunshine or Harmony. White people are just as capable of giving their children stupid-ass names. But just like everything else in US culture, when an African-American does it, it becomes pathologized.

The parents of the Lavonyas and Shitiquos think they're getting their kids acquainted with their African roots. Ask those parents to name five countries in Africa and they can't do it. If they want a connection to African roots they should have a nodding acquaintance with that part of the world. Neither the parents nor Lavonya and Shitiquo will manage that.

by Anonymousreply 21408/11/2013

R212, I agree with you that many with "ghetto" names and backgrounds work harder to achieve; that's not how most HR Managers or company owners operate. Better to give your child the best possible shot in life, and then choose a distinctive middle name if necessary.

My first, middle and last names identify me to the misinformed in 3 contradictory ways. I quietly laugh when they see me in person, and I don't look like what they expect at all. Too much time has been spent spelling my full name and correcting other's pronunciation.

I wish that people didn't make false assumptions about others, based on their name or looks. Reality is that they do.

by Anonymousreply 21508/11/2013

Why would a parent intentionally place their child in a disadvantageous position in the world by giving them a name that makes their harder from the start? If I knew that giving my child a name that would automatically eliminate him/her from employment opportunities, regardless of qualifications, then I would not do that. If you want to change the attitudes of the world, go ahead but why do it at the expense of your child? Everyone wants their kid to achieve in whatever they choose to do, so why add an extra barrier? Selfish parental thinking.

by Anonymousreply 21608/28/2013

bullshit the mothers are young and uneducated,they think this is a good idea. sad

by Anonymousreply 21901/08/2014

I have worked with no less than 3 "Unique"s over the years. They always get offended when I tell them I know someone else with their name. How stupid can they be?

by Anonymousreply 22001/08/2014

Ever heard of the Orange Jello and Lemon Jello twins in Winston-Salem?

by Anonymousreply 22110/06/2014

Every now and then we need a good thread like this to prove to the world that we at DataLounge don't have a racist bone in our collective bodies.

by Anonymousreply 22210/06/2014

I'm naming my baby Ebolazaire!

by Anonymousreply 22310/06/2014

[quote]Blacks have been under fire for years for these "ghetto" names. Whites have continually persecuted and scorned the kids with these creative names without knowing the history behind them.

Blacks scorn them too. Not basic "black" names like DeAndre or Tyrone or Lakisha or Ebony. Those aren't scorned, nor should they be. But, some of the really ghetto names are scorned.

by Anonymousreply 22410/06/2014

Black people avoid African names almost always. They rather create new names within an Indo-European language than pick an African name or create new names from African languages.

by Anonymousreply 22510/06/2014

Awarded "Dumbest Black History Essay" of 2014.

by Anonymousreply 22610/06/2014

The funny thing about stereotypical Black people names is that they do not sound African at all. The phonemes they incorporate are predominantly Arabic: like -al, -ja, -eesh, -la, etc. So anybody who gives their kid a stereotypically ghetto sounding name under the pretense of honoring their African heritage has no idea what African names actually sound like.

by Anonymousreply 22712/09/2014

Too tired to read through all the posts, but has someone posted the Urban Myth ghetto names yet and tried to pass it off as someone they knew? (Syphilis, pronounced "Sigh-phyllis" and Female, pronounced "Fee-mah-lay")

I've heard older people claim that a lot of the names are a combination of the parents names, so Grover and Edwina would name their daughter "Growina" - sounds like bunk to me.

by Anonymousreply 22812/10/2014

R10 I'll go you one better. I went to school with a cheerleader (or cheerleader-type) called "Muffy Houha." I wonder if she went into porn?

by Anonymousreply 22912/10/2014

One of my clients was named Aquanetta--yes, named after a hairspray.

by Anonymousreply 23012/10/2014

"If MY name were 'Miss Velveeta Cheese' I'd stay drunk all the time too."

by Anonymousreply 23112/10/2014

First names are hardly the problem. The real atrocity is that their family babes were erased and they had to takes the surnames of their owners.

And they were not allowed to speak their own languages.

America is still paying for those crimes against its blacks.

by Anonymousreply 23212/10/2014

[There is nothing more tedious than a race baiting troll. Except the people that talk to it.]

by Anonymousreply 23312/10/2014

White or black ridiculous names can face job discrimination.

by Anonymousreply 23412/10/2014

I actually kind of thought this was a well put together article or whatever you want to call it. It's a shame that people dismissed it and didn't get where the person was coming from.

Why should people have conventional names? Because it will make you comfortable? Well that is pretty close minded.

Why judge a name so harshly in the first place? This was a concept I never understood. I've met people from all walks of life and yes, some people have had names that give me pause because I simply never heard it before. But I've never judged a person or their upbringing by their name. I always felt that was incredibly trivial of people.

I guess my whole point is, it's incredibly ignorant to judge a person solely by their names because they don't fit your standards of normalcy. It actually says more about you then the person with said name.

by Anonymousreply 23501/06/2015

SHARKEISHA, NO!!!

by Anonymousreply 23601/06/2015

As an employer, if I see a resume with the name "Sha'Tayqua" or "LaRondell"...I toss it. Too much trouble.

by Anonymousreply 23801/06/2015

[quote]I've heard older people claim that a lot of the names are a combination of the parents names, so Grover and Edwina would name their daughter "Growina" - sounds like bunk to me.

That is, in fact, a very common practice among Utah Mormons.

by Anonymousreply 23901/06/2015

[quote]Too tired to read through all the posts, but has someone posted the Urban Myth ghetto names yet and tried to pass it off as someone they knew? (Syphilis, pronounced "Sigh-phyllis" and Female, pronounced "Fee-mah-lay")

My sister, a pediatric nurse, swears up and down that there was once a newborn boy on her unit named Nosmo King. I've shown her sites like Snopes.com to no avail.

by Anonymousreply 24001/06/2015

Inner city classroom roll calls yield many imaginative and unusual names, as well as pronunciations. I always ask the student to "say your name for me" on the first day. Some of the names are lyrical, some seem fantastic. Unlike many teachers, I didn't mock them.

Just a few generations ago, kids changed their funny sounding ethnic names to fit in. That's why Gittel became Greta and Pippinella became Patty. I am sure that many teachers laughed at my great aunts' and uncles' names.

It wasn't respectful then, and it isn't now.

by Anonymousreply 24101/06/2015

I’ve got a northern english white “ghetto” chav name which immediately pigeonholes me vis-a-vis class origins, cultural and educational attainment. I use my middle name instead.

It’s much more a class divide thing; which in the case of AAs powerfully intersects with race.

by Anonymousreply 24201/06/2015
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