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Does objectifying muscular black men make me a racist or open-minded?

Musclebound, thuggish looking black guys get me weak in the knees. There, I said it. I just think that these guys are the ultimate in masculinity and hotness. Is my fetishizing racist or does it make me open-minded? I debate this within myself constantly, and I never get a clear answer. What do you think? The guys in the SFW pic are the types I'm talking about.

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by Anonymousreply 327Last Thursday at 9:42 PM

It makes you a fetishist.

by Anonymousreply 106/03/2010

More than likely, it means you have a thing for down low black queens.

by Anonymousreply 206/03/2010

You are spot on OP, black guys are hotter, i get stared a lot at the gym.

by Anonymousreply 306/03/2010

If you wouldn't find the same guy attractive if he was in a suit and tie or a polo shirt and khakis, then yeah, you are a bit racist.

by Anonymousreply 406/03/2010

No, if you like ghetto, then go for it. Don't ask us to endorse it. Just do it.

by Anonymousreply 506/03/2010

it makes you an anti-semite.

by Anonymousreply 606/03/2010

OP, I know EXACTLY whay you are talking about. In the early 1990's I was robbed on a downtown N train; my wallet was stolen at knifepoint by 3 black guys who cornered me.

I swear to God that night after I called the police and credit card companies I masturbated thinking ofthose 3 guys and I exploded.

by Anonymousreply 706/03/2010

why do all these assholes wear those stupid do rags?

by Anonymousreply 806/03/2010

It makes you neither, just a little stupid. You like thuggish black men...just accept and enjoy.

by Anonymousreply 906/03/2010

Beefy and muscular and thugish black guys are hot, but the hottest black guys in my book are the lean muscular black guys, think swimmer's build style. If they were glasses and dress conservatively, but hint at meaty thighs and bubbly butts and narrow waists and broad shoulders underneath their threads... ooh lord, my mussy gets moist just thinking about it.

If any of you saw "Chopped" this week, there was a black cheftestant on the show... he was a perfect example of this look.

by Anonymousreply 1006/03/2010

There's nothing wrong with how you are feeling. We all have are "things". What makes you racist is that your ancestors created both the "buck" uber-sexual stereotypes and imagery while emasculating Black men so that attempting to portray a twisted super-masculinity was necessary. That's all, sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 1106/03/2010

42 yr old here. I don't know the answer to your question, can you help me with mine. How do guys keep pants from falling to the ground when they wear them so low.

by Anonymousreply 1206/03/2010

The stupid caps and low-slung jeans make me want to vomit.

The rest of it is [italic]mighty fine[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 1306/03/2010

oh I agree r13, they are good looking men.

I just don't understand why you would wear your pants like that or the logistics of keeping them up.

by Anonymousreply 1406/03/2010

It's just the style. They wear belts sometimes.

OP, would you date any of the black men about whom you fantasize? I think that the response may answer your question regarding whether you may be racist.

by Anonymousreply 1506/04/2010

R15 is correct. OP, if you wouldn't introduce the object of your desire to your friends or take him home to meet the folks because he's too "ghetto," then yes, you are a racist.

by Anonymousreply 1606/04/2010

Yeah I'm like that with Latino trash. Outside of the bedroom though I don't want anything to do with them.

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by Anonymousreply 1706/04/2010

R16 confuses issues of class with issues of race. This is a damaging reductionism here in the United States, as it is crucial to be clear about one's biases. If I bring a coworker who shares my love of art and travel and fine food home to meet my mother, and he happens to be black, that's fine, I suppose. But if I hesitate to take home a nastay ghetto boy who is covered in tats and who undertakes the character of a dangerous hoodlum, I'm a racist? No, dear, I'm not. I'm exercising discretion in the form of a class bias, or vice versa. If you don't get it, fine. I'm not likely to invite you to meet my mother in any event, for other reasons.

by Anonymousreply 1806/04/2010

I can't believe anyone is still asking about low-riding pants. Did you just wake up from a coma, or what?

by Anonymousreply 1906/04/2010

A classist is just as odious as a racist, r18.

by Anonymousreply 2006/04/2010

Though I lust after them, no, a thuggish guy is not someone I would date or bring home to my family. Neither would a white guy from a similar background. If I were a chubby chaser, a fat person wouldn't be someone I'd necessarily show off either. So as another poster noted, it's probably not really about race as it is about socioeconomic and social status.

by Anonymousreply 2106/04/2010

OP/21 and R18: two elitist and absolutely clueless queens. You two should really hook up. You could make each other blissfully miserable, or even more miserable than you both already are.

by Anonymousreply 2206/04/2010

So you're a snob, r21, and one who slums at that. Congratulations.

by Anonymousreply 2306/04/2010

No, it only means you have very good taste.

by Anonymousreply 2406/04/2010

Most likely, they would have a loveless marriage but they would share lots and lots of tricks, r22.

by Anonymousreply 2506/04/2010

R16, but is it any different than some hetero guy who wants to fuck a blond bimbo? I'm sure he wouldn't want to bring her home to mom. Why is that not bigoted? If the OP wouldn't want to bring home a well-educated black man, that's a different story.

by Anonymousreply 2606/04/2010

Today she's a bimbo, tomorrow she's arm candy, r26. Straight guys aren't ashamed at bagging bimbos, dear; they show them off. The exception might be Blue Blood types, but the ailment there is obvious: the same paralyzing snobbery that is on display among some of the posters chiming in on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 2706/04/2010

I'm black and I wouldn't date a eminem type. Embarrassing!!! Imagine me sitting at the dinner table with family with some white wanna be black thug.

by Anonymousreply 2806/04/2010

Find sex hot with someone you think is beneath your social status has been around forever.

by Anonymousreply 2906/04/2010

So have misogyny, exploitation, and abuse, r29. It doesn't make them less lousy.

by Anonymousreply 3006/04/2010

"If I bring a coworker who shares my love of art and travel and fine food home to meet my mother..." Yes, that walk up the stairs from the basement you mean.

by Anonymousreply 3106/04/2010

both OP and R17 posted hot pics. mmmmm

by Anonymousreply 3206/05/2010

OP, its too bad thugs only want other thugs!

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by Anonymousreply 3306/05/2010

You know who is an incredibly fine-looking black guy?


by Anonymousreply 3406/05/2010

Shame on all of you. Black guys of any persuasion should first be encouraged to try marriage with a sister. They're really struggling these days. One in six marriages in the U.S. are now mixed, but black gals have been left sitting on the side line during this trend.

by Anonymousreply 3506/05/2010

Since you use the word 'objectify', OP, I would say you swing more toward racism than open-mindedness. And quite a bit.

by Anonymousreply 3606/05/2010

Oh, I dunno, R36. I think that human turd at R18 and OP are in a neck and neck race to the bottom of the barrel.

by Anonymousreply 3706/05/2010

[quote} What makes you racist is that your ancestors created both the "buck" uber-sexual stereotypes and imagery while emasculating Black men so that attempting to portray a twisted super-masculinity was necessary. That's all, sweetie. Black Mary!

by Anonymousreply 3806/05/2010

[quote]If any of you saw "Chopped" this week, there was a black cheftestant on the show... he was a perfect example of this look.

He was quite cute and he won!

by Anonymousreply 3906/05/2010

I've always been drawn to the black male stereotypes seen in movies from the thirties and forties. My favorite is Snowflake.

by Anonymousreply 4006/05/2010

[quote]What makes you racist is that your ancestors created both the "buck" uber-sexual stereotypes and imagery while emasculating Black men so that attempting to portray a twisted super-masculinity was necessary. That's all, sweetie.

Black Mary!

by Anonymousreply 4106/05/2010

White people truly are sick!

by Anonymousreply 4206/05/2010

Just another gratuitous black man photo. Carry on.

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by Anonymousreply 4306/05/2010

There sure are a lot of name-calling posers here who think that anything other than white guilt or pretending class issues don't exist makes a person a racist. And they're hypocrites, because no one believes they don't get off on objectifying black guys into something they themselves wouldn't recognize. Terrible tendencies, and they'll be spending years alone wondering why.


by Anonymousreply 4406/05/2010

"How do guys keep pants from falling to the ground when they wear them so low?"

Because they hold them up by grabbing their dicks constantly through their pants.

Recently, I was waiting for the train, and this fine brutha walked up, bubble butt encased in boxers, pants just beneath. I told him he had a beautiful ass. He smirked at me and pulled his pants up.

What gets me is the females actually let the men dress that way.

by Anonymousreply 4506/05/2010

Guess what? Some black guys objectify white guys too. And some Asian guys objectify latinos who objectify native indian who objectify ,,,,,,

When it comes to sex, a little objectification is not necessarily such a bad thing. Go ahead treat me like a sex object. Just don't make me write bad cheques.

by Anonymousreply 4606/05/2010

OP, I love handsome black men. Not necessarily thugish. For me there is NOTHING hotter than a hot, black man. I don't care what it's called or how it's judged. I LOVE THEM!

by Anonymousreply 4706/05/2010

I'm hot for 50 Cent

by Anonymousreply 4806/05/2010

"Though I lust after them, no, a thuggish guy is not someone I would date or bring home to my family. Neither would a white guy from a similar background. If I were a chubby chaser, a fat person wouldn't be someone I'd necessarily show off either." Do the guys you're having sex with care that you're only interested in them to the extent that you find them dangerous/unsuitable/a secret vice? That seems like a more important question than what we think about it.

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by Anonymousreply 5006/07/2010

A hot black guy dropped trou in the locker room just as I was slowly passing by him the other night. He timed it perfectly for me to get a good look. OMG, at least eight inches long, thick, and semi hard. I wonder if he got it half erect because he knew I wanted to see it? Whatever the case, I've been thinking about that perfect dick of his ever since.

by Anonymousreply 5108/21/2010

Maybe you should just forget about race. I am black and the guys you describe are incredibly hot to me but I just think of them as hot guys and not hot black guys. It's not like you're attracted to every single black guy. Hot is hot, that's all there is to it.

by Anonymousreply 5208/21/2010

For R10:

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by Anonymousreply 5308/21/2010

Thanks for that link (r52). There's nothing hotter than the kind of man in that video. Wow!...

by Anonymousreply 5408/22/2010

correction: thanks for the link (R53)

by Anonymousreply 5508/22/2010

Why do you need to ask?

by Anonymousreply 5608/22/2010

Neither. It just means you want to fuck muscular black guys.


by Anonymousreply 5708/22/2010

r33 he is very hawt!

by Anonymousreply 5808/22/2010

r43's pic is awesome.

by Anonymousreply 5908/22/2010

Do all men secretly desire black men?

by Anonymousreply 6008/22/2010

^ I meant, all gay white men.

by Anonymousreply 6108/22/2010

Why don't you ask him while he is pile driving you on his long, thick-as-a-baby's-arm uncut cock and the large, orange-sized balls slapping your ass?

Between your screams of ecstasy, of course.

by Anonymousreply 6208/22/2010

No, r60/r61. Plenty of white gay men on here have made it perfectly clear they do not desire black guys.

I think they are narrow minded, personally, but to each his own.

by Anonymousreply 6308/22/2010

OP, it means you have superior taste, dude.

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by Anonymousreply 6507/01/2012

Last week these two big muscular black guys delivered my new parlor furniture. My hole was twitching the entire time. I wanted them to spit roast me like nobody's business.

by Anonymousreply 6607/01/2012

R48 = timberlake

by Anonymousreply 6707/01/2012

What about Eric, the Black Russian OP?

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by Anonymousreply 6807/01/2012

When your pants are so low, like they are in OP's pic, why bother even putting them on?

It's like putting a dress on, over your head, then just stopping when it's wrapped around your neck.

by Anonymousreply 6907/01/2012

It depends what you mean by "objectifying"? If you are merely saying that you have a strong sexual response to muscular black men, it has nothing to do with objectification, and is merely having a turn on - like a turn on some people have for blonde men in their 20s or silver haired guys in their 40s. Or hairy white guys with beards, or Italian guys, or Asian guys, or guys with bubble butts. It has nothing to do with a feeling of superiority or dehumanization or with being open-minded.

It's just sex.

by Anonymousreply 7007/01/2012

pics please

by Anonymousreply 7107/13/2012

Fitness guru Shaun T has married a dude!

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by Anonymousreply 7311/21/2012

People need to learn the difference between what is race-related and being a racist. It's a world of difference.

by Anonymousreply 7411/21/2012

Stay away from the brothas, you piece of white trash. They belong to us.

by Anonymousreply 7511/21/2012

it makes you horny, OP

by Anonymousreply 7611/21/2012

It depends OP do you objectify Bieber? If not then yes you are a racist.

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by Anonymousreply 7812/08/2012

more pics please

by Anonymousreply 7912/18/2012

RACIST. If you base something on race you're a racist.

by Anonymousreply 8012/18/2012

So those of us who are into Latinos, Asians, Arabs, etc, are racists. I'm glad to be a racist then. If I find someone with red hair to be hot, then I guess I'm a bigot as well. Sorry, but you can't help what you're attracted to, and the PC Marys need to die in a grease fire already. It's human nature.

I love the ones who say that if you're not attracted to a particular race, which is based on appearance, then you're a racist. So I guess we need to sleep with people we're not attracted to just to prove we're not racist. I'm probably a misogynist because I won't sleep with a pre-op transsexual.

by Anonymousreply 8112/18/2012

My desire for them transcends any judgment anyone can make. There is no one in the world hotter than a hot black man.

by Anonymousreply 8212/18/2012

I don't think people are racist for finding a particular ethnic group or feature attractive. However, such people should be careful how they express their attractions. Using words like "black meat," "black d***," "hot tamale," or "black buck" are widely viewed as offensive and racist. They reflect blatant objectification of a person's race or ethnic background in a most offensive manner.

by Anonymousreply 8312/18/2012

Most buff muscular dudes who spend lots of time in the gym are exhibitionists who desire some level of objectification.

by Anonymousreply 8412/21/2012

My friend only dates black guys. I think he prefers the Wall Street type, but he is currently dating a trainer with a body to die for. He says black guys equal less drama.

by Anonymousreply 8512/21/2012

I think it's only racist if your ONLY interactions with black people (besides dealing with service personell) are through "thug" hookups. If you're uncomfortable around black people and make no attempt to treat them as equals and get to know some of them on a deeper level, then yes, you are fetishizing an entire race, and in the embodiment of one of the worst and most threatening incarnation (a "trashy thug" as opposed to just black guys in general). If you like black men sexually, it stands to reason that you should have respect and affinity for black people in general (manifested in non-sexual situations and relationships). If you don't, and you just like them as sex machines, you're really not treating them any better than a convenient sexual aid.

I think fetishizing a particular race is worse than excluding one from your potential sex partner pool. I'm far more suspicious of a white guy who dates another race exclusively, than one who admits he's not into a particular race. The former seems like more of a deliberate effort with a (possibly convoluted) motivation behind it, while the latter just seems like typical social conditioning to gravitate towards people that you likely share common experiences and associations with.

by Anonymousreply 8612/21/2012

Only a little.

by Anonymousreply 8712/21/2012

no such thing as race in humans, what we think of as race is a social and cultural construct.

I think the conundrum OP refers to is, 'if I don't prefer The Other, I'm considered racist, if I DO prefer The Other, I'm fetishistic and also racist.'

I'm 'mixed race' but was raised in rural white america and can't recall any prejudice coming my parents. it was only when I moved away to an urban area that I began to encounter different 'races' and the accompanying prejudice and to this day resist internalizing them.

it's like some giant advertising campaign, so-and-so's eat/drive/are hung like/act like this that is reinforced and echo chambered at us constantly every day

and because of our constant search for validation, whenever we encounter something that fits these programmed biases, it reinforces it.

I harbor more prejudice and stereotypes now than when I left home, and being aware of how that came to be keeps me from turning into a bigot.

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by Anonymousreply 8812/21/2012

What I find funny is when people say only dating white men isn't racist and that it's a preference. Oh please. To discriminate by race is the definition of racism.

by Anonymousreply 8912/21/2012

It is funny how people who say they are only attracted to one race usually also have views that are racist or bigoted, although usually disguised.

by Anonymousreply 9012/21/2012

[quote]What I find funny is when people say only dating white men isn't racist and that it's a preference. Oh please. To discriminate by race is the definition of racism.

I've no problem with that as long as you also agree that Asians who date only white men (or women) are also racist as per your definition. I often see only whites get condemned as racist for wanting to date other whites, but not Asians, many of whom will only date white people.

by Anonymousreply 9112/21/2012

There are black women who only date white men, and a lot of times for a personal reasons that goes beyond finding white men attractive. They get shit from their community, but I bet not one white person in this thread would dare call them out for it, labeling them racist.

Remember, we're talking about sexuality here. No one is saying that they wouldn't be friends with a person of a particular race. There's a difference. Sexual preference is subconscious. That's never going to end, and it shouldn't.

I'm half Italian, and I don't find Italian guys attractive. So-fucking-what? That's my business. I'm not going to sleep with someone just so you PC idiots can feel better. I grew up with Italians. Half of my family is Italian. I'm close to them all. I just don't want to fuck any of my Italian friends, even though I've had the opportunity. I don't find them attractive sexually.

Black women who will only date black men are racist.

Funnily enough, I'm sure all of you who are outraged over the concept of only sleeping with a certain ethnicity probably have your own sexual preferences, and make comments about 'rice queens' all the time. 'Asians have tiny dicks.'

by Anonymousreply 9212/21/2012

Actually [R92], what you said about black women only dating white men for more reasons doesn't make it any less racist, there's probably some self hate involved. It applies with everyone, if you discriminate against someone SOLEY on their race, that is the definition of racism regardless of if it's friendship or more in my opinion. Mainly because you're basically writing off an entire group of people based on what? Melanin in the skin? It's crazy that people think excluding a race doesn't make them prejudice against does that make sense?

by Anonymousreply 9312/21/2012

yeah bro

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by Anonymousreply 9505/09/2014

Day-yum. Thanks for that r94!

by Anonymousreply 9605/09/2014

I'm still cherry, but I want my first time to be with a big dick black man. He won't be too rough will he?

by Anonymousreply 9705/09/2014

The first answer was on target -- you're more a fetishist than a racist. Though many will disagree with the definition, "racist" usually means the person is an active participant in the race-based negative discrimination and oppression of a non-dominant race (relative to the culture at large).

Me, I'll confess, I am a white guy with a few "types" of my own and one of them is a handsome, well-put-together man of color with a fit body, tight sense of grooming/style, and a distinctive sense of fashion. The antithesis of thug. Something about the aesthetic of unusual good looks and a face/race/skin that is very different from my own. Fortunately NYC has quite a few hot men who fit this description. Every other day there's someone on the subway like this and I want so badly to come home with him and slide his clothes off... slowly... as we start to make out...

by Anonymousreply 9805/09/2014

Being attracted to dark skin or African features doesn't make you racist. It doesn't make you special, enlightened or more evolved, either.

Fetishizing black men for being "thuggish" most definitely is racist.

by Anonymousreply 9905/09/2014

No, Alexander. He'll be perfectly kind and gentle. I know this because I'm psychic. How lucky for you that I was here to answer your question.

by Anonymousreply 10005/09/2014

R100, Thank you sooooo much, today WAS my lucky day, you are the best!!!!! Are you the resident psychic here at DL.

by Anonymousreply 10105/09/2014

Check your privilege, OP!!!!

by Anonymousreply 10205/09/2014

I wish there were more interracial gay porn. Unfortunately, most gay porn is white-white or black-black.

by Anonymousreply 10305/09/2014

Go to my gym OP

by Anonymousreply 10405/10/2014

hawt bro

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by Anonymousreply 10507/27/2014

I wish there were a site devoted exclusively to these types of guys who escort!

by Anonymousreply 10607/27/2014

OP = Timberlake

by Anonymousreply 10707/27/2014

They're not my type at all. I like muscular black men, but the thug type is just not for me.

by Anonymousreply 10807/27/2014

OP, if you like them how can you be racist?

by Anonymousreply 10907/27/2014

R35 - i hope you are joking on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 11007/28/2014

As a rule, black men are more muscular than white or Asian men. But thuggish behavior is a real turn-off and explains why there are so many black men in prison today.

by Anonymousreply 11107/28/2014

I objectify and I like being objectified. I find it's an essential element of sexual attraction. Not the only element, mind you. It's a necessary but not sufficient condition for a relationship IMHO.

by Anonymousreply 11207/28/2014

Muscles are hot

by Anonymousreply 11307/28/2014

How about this guy?

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by Anonymousreply 11407/28/2014

ONLY on DataLounge does even NOTICING that someone is NOT WHITE make you a virulent racist! If you then observe behavior different from your own, then you are HITLER.

All caught up?

by Anonymousreply 11507/28/2014

Singe queens make me ill.

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by Anonymousreply 11707/30/2014

[quote]But thuggish behavior is a real turn-off

Says you!

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by Anonymousreply 11907/31/2014

Well i like low pants mens and tattoos see i have one and he do too and yes i would take him home to meet mother stop hateing cause you can't be like thim

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by Anonymousreply 12208/09/2014

You have great taste, OP

by Anonymousreply 12308/27/2014

If objectifying them is a crime, then let me do the time!

by Anonymousreply 12408/27/2014

More pics bruh!

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by Anonymousreply 12601/11/2015

I'm impressed that this thread has survived this long.

by Anonymousreply 12701/11/2015

It needs pics

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by Anonymousreply 12901/14/2015

Sigh. Another entry from The used up curdled Dinge Queen Files.

by Anonymousreply 13001/14/2015

Pics please

by Anonymousreply 13101/27/2015

Black dudes are hellahot

by Anonymousreply 13202/14/2015

It just means you have great taste and know what sex is supposed to be like.

by Anonymousreply 13302/14/2015

Black dudes are hellahot

by Anonymousreply 13402/14/2015

OP you can look and admire a black man. Just don't push yourself on them. It's simple to figure out.

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by Anonymousreply 13905/05/2015

I think the short-lived UK series "Sirens" would be relevant to your interests, OP. Game of Thrones star Richard Madden plays a gay character that shares your fetish. The show did a pretty decent job of showing how problematic race fetishism is.

Anyway, the good bits start after the 1 minute mark.

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by Anonymousreply 14105/05/2015

press play, bruh

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by Anonymousreply 14305/15/2015

The people objectifying Black men are the ones saying it's fetishist to be attracted to them.

No, you like what you like and they're the ones obsessed with boxing people off. It's even hotter that it pisses-off the identity politics, self-obsessed drama queens.

Notice how this ends-up about them, their interpretation of YOUR sexual preferences and they don't even allow you to have a say in your own tastes and opinions?

So sick of these Fascist, attention whores, who pretend bullying people into homogeneous styles and opinions is for the good of everyone.

by Anonymousreply 14405/15/2015

I kind of want Tyler Perry to take me, dressed as Madea. Is that fetishist?

by Anonymousreply 14505/15/2015

I objectify all day every day, race irrelevant. All I see are bodies that I want to twist into all sorts of different position and bang repeatedly. I am perfectly normal.

by Anonymousreply 14605/15/2015

i think it shows a progressive open minded view. good for you op keep up the good work

by Anonymousreply 14705/15/2015

R146 It's these asexual Social Justice! types. They're obsessed with horny-shaming men.

by Anonymousreply 14805/15/2015

It makes you a Kardashian.

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by Anonymousreply 15005/15/2015

People stare at black guysatt the gym thinking is he using welfare pay for gym membership?

by Anonymousreply 15105/15/2015

Oh my goodness! Look at that butt!

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by Anonymousreply 15206/25/2015

hottest men on the planet

by Anonymousreply 15306/25/2015

It makes you have great taste, dude.

by Anonymousreply 15408/25/2015

OP, sweetie, its not that complicated. You're a dinge queen.

by Anonymousreply 15508/25/2015

You're a whore, darlin !

And you want to roughed up, don't you ?

by Anonymousreply 15608/25/2015

How about a little Hershey Kiss? 💋

by Anonymousreply 15708/25/2015

I only date black football players

by Anonymousreply 15809/05/2015

Funny how the master lust after the slave? When you see a black man as a sex object that is not racist. But if you can only relate to black people that way then yes it is a tad racist. White gay men have a bigger problem than race or class. They suffer from an internal civil war between between depth and desire. That is why a great many think there is less drama with a black man. When you can't really be happy you can never really know another human being as a human being. That aside, as a criminal defense attorney I have represented many a muscular black man. Some are smart. But most are dumb, drug using fools who can't stay out of trouble, can't stop having babies by the score, and can't understand why they are always " catching a charge". Whatever sex appeal they may have is corrupted by their inability to stop acting like a second class citizen. And their sense of manhood is as juvenile and morally corrupt as any gay man I have met in a bar. Who would want to fuck that?

by Anonymousreply 15909/05/2015

Have you ever fantasied about any of your clients r159?

by Anonymousreply 16009/05/2015

Shamefully yes R160

by Anonymousreply 16109/08/2015

do tell, bro

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more pics!

by Anonymousreply 16410/24/2015

Mr. Owens

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by Anonymousreply 16510/26/2015

I've always enjoyed the company of a big, dark black man. I'm lily white, and the contrast really makes my libido rise. Plus, black cock smells so damned good!

by Anonymousreply 16610/26/2015

r166, you could have left that last line out of your statement. and then, it got offensive.

by Anonymousreply 16710/26/2015

Yes, black men have a distinctively pleasant scent.

by Anonymousreply 16810/26/2015

uh what, dude?

by Anonymousreply 16910/27/2015

Black men are masculine!!!

by Anonymousreply 17010/27/2015

This thread is interesting but black men, at least those in NYC, tend to frustrate me. I clearly state I am a total bottom on Grindr and whether black men contact me or I contact them, they always seem to become pissy and annoyed when I say, as banter really, "As a bottom nothing makes me happier than a big black top". You would think I used the N word the way some of them react (I'm white btw.)- what is even more bizarre is some clearly state in their profile they are hung!

by Anonymousreply 17110/27/2015

r171, you are clueless, dude

by Anonymousreply 17210/29/2015

I appreciate them

by Anonymousreply 17311/05/2015

It looks like fetishism, but if you don't despise other ethnicities it is not racist; just a preference for black muscle men over muscle men of other races.

I like muscles too, but I don't care about ethnicity. I live in a country that is not that varied racially so I find muscle men from other ethnic groups intersting.

Now, I have noticed that black men tend to have some sort of advantage to develop really big muscles and, one of their particular features is the long femur which gives them really spectacular legs when they develope the muscles there.

by Anonymousreply 17411/05/2015

Black dudes are so masculine

by Anonymousreply 17511/05/2015

[quote]It makes you a Kardashian.

Some insults really are unforgiveable, you know.

by Anonymousreply 17611/05/2015

Kardashians like black jocks

by Anonymousreply 17711/05/2015

Adrian Conrad

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by Anonymousreply 17811/07/2015

Becoming muscular is asking for objectification in the end. You build a muscular body because you want peolpe to notice.

by Anonymousreply 17911/07/2015

Great taste man

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by Anonymousreply 18111/12/2015

More pics!

by Anonymousreply 18201/04/2016

As long as the kind of objectification that you're providing makes the subject look like superior for one of his attributes most will not complain regardless of ethnicity.

Unless they are homophobic most muscle men/bodybuilders don't complain about sexual objectification because the activity is all about it and one of the reasons why men go to the gym (to look more appealing sexually than the average man). If anything, you're giving them what they want.


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by Anonymousreply 18301/09/2016

Love this thread!

by Anonymousreply 18401/09/2016

hot to friggin death bro!

by Anonymousreply 18501/11/2016

I just learned that my fuckbud of the past couple months isn't into sex with black guys ... but he's black. He says he's mixed, and he probably is, but he looks black at first and second glance. What does this mean? If it's important, he's a bottom and a very good one at that.

by Anonymousreply 18601/11/2016

My question is would you date him, and I mean in public, and take him to your friends' and parent's homes. If you want to just have sex with him and no one would know you're having it with a black guy, you're a hypocrite and a slut.

by Anonymousreply 18701/11/2016

My type

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by Anonymousreply 18801/16/2016

My type

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by Anonymousreply 19001/16/2016

Shut up Milo.

by Anonymousreply 19101/16/2016

Black people tend to be very religious thus homophobic, right?

You can see a double standard here in that these men find nothing reprehensible when women objectify them, they take it as a compliment even though, according to the bible, both men and women should cover their bodies decently and properly so as not to sexual arousal on other people. If a gay guy objectifies them or compliment them on their look itis very likely that these men will resort of homophobia and possibly physical aggression throwing a few bible verses against you.

Just an observation of the collective.

by Anonymousreply 19201/16/2016

The absolute truth, I'm not PC about this. I have a massive porn pic collection (actually mostly clothed candid shots, stolen from guys' websites, soldiers, various athletes) and it's practically all white and latino guys. I have a type, shaped from my life and experiences. I would and have slept with black guys, but don't sleep with anyone anymore anyway. I know it doesn't make me racist because of how mad I can get about racism (actual, not SJW) seemingly more than most people here.

by Anonymousreply 19301/16/2016

Uh okay

by Anonymousreply 19401/18/2016

Hottest dudes on planet

by Anonymousreply 19501/31/2016

You are only racist if you think your race is superior to anyone else's.

At worst, you probably just have a prejudice tied to the use of the word thuggish. Thuggish turns you on. You need to examine the reasons for that if it really concerns you.

You might also just be kind of stupid.

by Anonymousreply 19601/31/2016

They are hot. SO why wouldnt you be?

by Anonymousreply 19702/22/2016

Tongue out 👅👅👅👅💦💦💦💦

by Anonymousreply 19802/23/2016

In my country, black people are still relatively uncommon, but I have read that in the US black people are widely considered highly homophobic, that they grow up in chirstians households so that would explain their homophobia. Under such situation it must be almost impossible to fulfill the dream of being with one them of the muscular kind...

by Anonymousreply 19902/23/2016

This is why I moved to DC. So many hot, buff professional black men. The gym is like a visual orgy.

by Anonymousreply 20002/24/2016

What do black muscle men have that men of other ethnicities don't?

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by Anonymousreply 20203/09/2016

He seems to enjoy it.

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by Anonymousreply 20303/11/2016

No, sexual attraction can't be racist. We are all products of our environment and that environment heavily influences ideals of beauty/attraction. Im so done with this PC shit; next thing they'll try to shame us for attraction to fit guys rather than the morbidly obese.

by Anonymousreply 20403/11/2016

I enjoy it

by Anonymousreply 20503/12/2016

street bro

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by Anonymousreply 20703/13/2016

I would say that most muscle men, regardless of ethnicity, love sexual objectification. In the end, that's one of the reasons why they build their muscles. Do you think men would strive for muscualrity if it wasn't attractive sexually? Most likely not. Muscles have always been erotic and human beings are sexual creatures.

This is basically the reason why bodybuilding has become so popular lately. It allows men to freely show their bodies and become object for exhibition. It was only women who were allowed to exhibit their bodies, but today, society is open about letting men do the same thing and be admired and desired by the way they look. It's all about sex in a holistic sense.

"Look at me, desire me"

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by Anonymousreply 20803/15/2016

I need me a black muscle daddy like this, but unfortunately, in my country there aren't many black men.

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by Anonymousreply 20903/18/2016

R190 is the only one that seem to have something going on upstairs in this whole thread. The rest look dumb as rocks.

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by Anonymousreply 21104/02/2016

Being the object of sexual objectification is a rewarding experience.

by Anonymousreply 21204/07/2016

OP is the wiggeriest wigger who ever wiggered.

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by Anonymousreply 21404/17/2016

me gusta

by Anonymousreply 21504/21/2016

R212, don't presume

by Anonymousreply 21604/22/2016

Oh my - when I was younger I had to beat them away with a stick. I had been working out, have blone wavy/curly hair, hairy body, - and Italian-American. I have been come on to by more than the fair number of hot black guys. And not for anything - gave it up for a few.

by Anonymousreply 21704/22/2016

Sounds hot r217. Were these straight-identified dudes?

by Anonymousreply 21804/23/2016

I want Michael Strahan to take out his tension on me in the bedroom!

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by Anonymousreply 21904/23/2016

muscles matter

by Anonymousreply 22004/24/2016

I admire, not objectify

by Anonymousreply 22104/25/2016

mixed bros

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by Anonymousreply 22304/25/2016

If I were a woman, I think I would have a lot of African-American babies. I also think my cooch would be loose like wizard sleeve.

by Anonymousreply 22404/25/2016

You're attracted to the male body, you ogle, you lust after it, you objectify them R221

by Anonymousreply 22504/25/2016

Hot to death

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by Anonymousreply 22605/06/2016

How can he have it so long

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by Anonymousreply 22805/09/2016

Who they?

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by Anonymousreply 22905/15/2016

It's very current to describe people with an "opposites attract" thing as "racists". Honey, I was a huge Dinge Queen for years and would have been shocked to hear I was thought of a racist. I just fond black guys really hot! People are nuts, be attracted to whomever you like!

by Anonymousreply 23005/15/2016

Dude, what the heck is a Dinge Queen? Speak modern

by Anonymousreply 23105/15/2016

I want

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by Anonymousreply 23310/23/2016

it means I need to be forced to take hard black cocks against my will

by Anonymousreply 23410/23/2016

Well, if you think of it, attraction is in itself a game of objectification. When you desire someone sexually, regardless of ethnicity, height, social status, etc, you are subconsciously seeing that person as a tool for your sexual satisfaction. You desire that person because either consciously or subconsciouy his physical appearance suggests to you the expected satisfaction of your sexual needs.

by Anonymousreply 23510/23/2016

Black Dudes are so hot

by Anonymousreply 23602/07/2017

R235 - No it's not. I don't think you know what it means to objectify someone. It's not the same as attraction.

I can be attracted to you based upon your physical appearance. That does not mean I have reduced you to your physical appearance and ignore everything else about you.

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by Anonymousreply 23806/10/2017

[quote]Is my fetishizing racist or does it make me open-minded?

You damn well know the answer.

by Anonymousreply 23906/10/2017

objectification is different from admiration. nothing wrong with lusting for a specific type (which can include race). with blacks, the danger is all that "mandinogo" bullshit where the person is viewed as some superhuman sex object (totally divorced from the guy's actual personality) that he has some sexual powers that only a black man can have and that by submitting to him you are satisfying some need to be dominated by blacks (that IS probably racist). Can you have a normal conversation with the guy? would you be seen in public with him? if all you want him to do is pound your ass while you scream "gimme that big black dick" they yeah it's racist. being attracted to black guys is not.

by Anonymousreply 24006/10/2017

You haven't known enough sissy blacks.

by Anonymousreply 24106/10/2017

Wow the white guys on this thread reinforce every negative stereotype a lot a black men believe to be true. Know wonder a lot of my friends only now mess with other black guys.

It seems for a lot of gay white guys black men are only good for sex. Or you think of them as mandingo sex toys. Her exclusively for sexual pleasure.

It's a good thing more and more black men are becoming increasingly conscious of that. And bucking!!

by Anonymousreply 24206/10/2017

oh dearie, trust me, i do know wonder every time i see that big black cock

by Anonymousreply 24306/10/2017

For years I thought of hot looking black guys only as tops. But that is a stereotype not reality. The black bottom and the black ass is a thing of beauty that I've only recently come around to, and it is amazing.

by Anonymousreply 24406/10/2017

Stop saying "black cocks." You round like a racist corny white predator sissy.

by Anonymousreply 24506/10/2017

Only if you're White . . . . . .

by Anonymousreply 24606/10/2017

oh dear, i round like a racist when i twirly my white tongue around black hole

by Anonymousreply 24706/10/2017

Brik Turbo

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by Anonymousreply 24906/17/2017

As a multiracial country you should not care so much about race. The US is not a white country. You are possibly the most racially diverse country on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 25006/17/2017

If you're white, you're racist no matter what OP.

by Anonymousreply 25106/17/2017

So hot

by Anonymousreply 25206/17/2017

Racism can be found in every race. Do not think European conquerors found grace in every corner of the American continent.

I find certain Polyneisan people to think very high of themselves and find especially caucasian men less attractive and less skilled.

by Anonymousreply 25306/17/2017

I'm Black and Gay and I don't think admiring muscular black men makes you a racist. As long as you aren't offensive walk up to them and whisper, "are you nine inches soft"? or "I bet you can go all night!" I was in a DC bar that is predominately white; but always has a number of black patrons as well. One night I watched about 4 black couples listening intently as one black guy seemed to be telling them a story…They would nod, smile, agree etc. At what seemed to be the end of the guy’s story there was a burst of laughter. These guys were handsome, black gay middle-class men who seemed to be enjoying one another. It lifted my heart to watch this. If a white guy walked over and asked about their penis size…or whether they could go all night or love that ass…they probably would have been offended. There’s a way all of us regardless of race can enjoy and appreciate male beauty. Just don't make us animals.

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I don't think so...that is, if you approach a black man hoping to confirm that he is 9 inches, then I have a problem with that. As a gay black man...not really into thugs... black or white...I fully understand the beauty of some black men. The more white men who insist they 'prefer whites and are not into blacks' the better...being a mature black gay man it leaves more possibilities for me and less competition. LOL The guy who was robbed [R7} (?) by 3 black men and was later turned on is a bit weird.

by Anonymousreply 25909/16/2017

Hmmmm I like bi athletic muscular black dudes

by Anonymousreply 26009/17/2017

Guys who focus on black genitals tend to be very racist and offensive. They are focused on black men as sex objects

by Anonymousreply 26109/17/2017

There's gay KKK.. oh wait just another day on Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 26209/17/2017

Jawdropping Manhood

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My TYpe

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by Anonymousreply 26503/25/2018

[quote]Guys who focus on black genitals tend to be very racist and offensive. They are focused on black men as sex objects

And we all knw black men never look at other human beings as sex objects, let alone refer to them that way in rap lyrics or anything.

by Anonymousreply 26603/25/2018

It makes you a Kartrashian, OP. Oh wait, I thought the thread said, ‘Does Objectifying FAT black men make me a racist or open minded?’

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I'm a white daddy type and I've had some intense verbal scenes with black guys who have really gotten off on it, repeat customers. Sure our sexual fantasies are connected to our internal racism and for some external racism but if two guys are getting off on it why not use these issues to get off. Maybe it's fucked up but most fetishes are. I'd rather deal face to face with someone about racial fantasies then say vote republican. Now that's both racist and a boner killer. If two adults agree to a fantasy of who the other is and no one is hurt or manipulated who gives a fuck what anyone else says?

by Anonymousreply 26803/25/2018

VERBAL scenes?

by Anonymousreply 26903/25/2018

R254 and R261 Agree with everything word you posted.

by Anonymousreply 27003/25/2018

I think the type is extremely hot also. Ive kind if aged out of that world now but my experience with black men is yes the sex was generally great. However all 3 had emotional baggage and it seemed to me a chip on their shoulders. 3 isnt a representative sample in any kind of study but my overall conclusion was the black male experience in this country is fairly traumatic and when you throw in gay to the mix it takes somebody very together to survive it unscathed. Family disapproval is more frequent to gays in the black community.. Life experiences and backgrounds were different and for me it seemed attempting a relationship would have been problematic. This is just my experience. Also the 3rd guy could have easily made a living posing for postcards you see in sex novelty stores of guys with dicks that just didnt quit. Interestingly even with an amazing body and the equipment he was awful in bed and surprisingly didnt have much self confidence. . Maybe this is all racist bullshit, but even to this day I get way more turned on by black guys in general than white in any type of situation, be they gay or straight. It seems that sometimes they radar in on it immediately as well.

by Anonymousreply 27106/12/2018

I haven't read this whole (ancient) thread. I'm a white guy. I find many black guys attractive, but I also find lots of other types of guys attractive. I grew up, and still live, in a city with a large percentage of residents who are African-American. The love of my life is black. I didn't fall for him because he seemed like a thug, or had a big dick. I fell for him because he was so very cute and smart and had a terrific sense of humor. And he was/is very mischievous. No one else can get me to laugh like he does when I'm having a shitty day. I've never objectified black men, since I've always had black men in my life, and I've always known them as people with families, jobs, and their own stories.

by Anonymousreply 27206/12/2018

R268 is talking about Race Play. It is such a hot button issue he probably doesn't want to come right out and say it. And i for one can't blame him.

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I though that said "hot bottom issue."

by Anonymousreply 27406/14/2018

I love black men

by Anonymousreply 27506/11/2020

[quote]r21 If I were a chubby chaser, a fat person wouldn't be someone I'd necessarily show off, either.

[italic]I'm BIG BONED!

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by Anonymousreply 27708/23/2020

objectifying anyone makes you a narcissist.

other than that, i am sure that many of us have an Ideal Type. which doesn't mean we won't date or look outside of that type, but that those who bear our type's characteristics, we are always going to be drawn to without much to rationally back the attraction.

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I mean if it's all about sex for you and you don't see yourself in a relationship publicly with one then yeah, it's racist

by Anonymousreply 28101/21/2021

Fantasy burglar

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by Anonymousreply 28202/02/2021

It's great fantasy, a rough black thug until he opens his mouth and the pink purse falls out, kinda stomps and kills that fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 28302/02/2021

R168, this is just sick ass hypocrisy. You're the type that does the sick racist shit and tries to tell us you're so much better than a deplorable or Trumpist. Dude just go ahead and be a Republican, at least we know what we're dealing with. You undercover racists with your public liberal faces are why the U.S. and the world is so fucked up. Were you an associate of Ed Buck? And yes if a black man HAS to be a thug and a fucking criminal to get your dicks hard you're a fucking racist. You think you're elevated way up beyond those Capitol gatecrashers? I think the fuck not. You are most definitely worse, you don't have the guts to come out and just be your racist fuck self.

by Anonymousreply 28402/02/2021

sorry R168 that should have been R268

by Anonymousreply 28502/02/2021

I loves me some Big Black Dick!

by Anonymousreply 28602/02/2021

This racist shit just never ends does it?

by Anonymousreply 28702/03/2021

^^^Black guys won't even look your way, will they?

by Anonymousreply 28802/03/2021

r285 is yelling at 3 years ago

by Anonymousreply 28902/03/2021

r288, meaning what exactly? Do you know what race I am?

by Anonymousreply 29002/03/2021

R285, three years doesn't make it less offensive, white men are still doing this "harmless" racist shit and trying to justify it.

by Anonymousreply 29102/03/2021

Do you have some sort of power fantasy about them being slaves or savages, somehow beneath yourself? For instance if you insist on plantation role play, you might be a racist.

by Anonymousreply 29202/03/2021

I said it before, I have a black friend who wants a redneck to fuck him doggy style while calling him the n-word, if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me. Punish me for all my ancestors have done with that Big Black Cock while calling a stupid white cunt!

by Anonymousreply 29302/04/2021

r293, just vote Repub, you're just as diseased a racist as Deeplorables are said to be. You're not even fit to kiss a Trump's ass, racist shit.

by Anonymousreply 29402/04/2021

The dick likes what the dick likes. No, it's not racist. No one calls black men who like white men or white women racist.

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Justin Pope

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by Anonymousreply 29702/06/2021

[quote] it makes you an anti-semite.

Maybe, but you’re still pro semen.

by Anonymousreply 29802/06/2021

[quote] Beefy and muscular and thugish black guys are hot, but the hottest black guys in my book are the lean muscular black guys, think swimmer's build style. If they were glasses and dress conservatively, but hint at meaty thighs and bubbly butts and narrow waists and broad shoulders underneath their threads... ooh lord, my mussy gets moist just thinking about it.

Just turn on any Tyler Perry show and you will find it chock full of hot muscular black men.

by Anonymousreply 29902/06/2021

Probably racist. But if you aren't hurting anybody then who cares? I've only been with black men, I find them attractive and for whatever reason I just don't feel sexually attracted to white guys. Does that make me a racist? Some people will say it does and others will say it doesn't but I couldn't care less either way. I don't use the n word and I don't go on about their blackness. Has race been brought up during sex? Yeah for sure, I think it's always a slight aspect when two people of different races hookup or date but that doesn't mean it's bad.

by Anonymousreply 30002/06/2021

"Yeah for sure, I think it's always a slight aspect when two people of different races hookup or date but that doesn't mean it's bad."

So how does that play out? I'm sure when the white slavemasters were raping black men, they didn't think degradation was any big deal.

by Anonymousreply 30102/06/2021

"Probably racist. But if you aren't hurting anybody then who cares?"

Do you hear what the fuck you're saying? So you're saying you're probably a racist? Did I hear that right? Sounds very Trumpian to me. Why was he so bad?

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by Anonymousreply 30302/06/2021

R301 WOW you jumped straight to that conclusion... think that says more about you than it does about me. If you haven't realized for black people in white societies their race is always present, so when they hookup with someone of a different race, especially white, the racial differences are present. Trying to downplay that is pretty damaging, but I guess because it makes you uncomfortable you would rather scream racism instead of accepting the discomfort.

by Anonymousreply 30402/06/2021

r304, who is white and who is black in our conversation? So explain to me why you have discomfort with your black hookups?

by Anonymousreply 30502/06/2021

R305 Does that matter to you? Oh, so now you are purposefully misconstruing my point, nice tactic. Very republican of you. Did I say I have a discomfort with the guys I hookup with?

by Anonymousreply 30602/06/2021

You don't have a point. Would a republican say I'm probably a racist and it's no big deal? Would a gay democrat say that?

by Anonymousreply 30702/06/2021

"Trying to downplay that is pretty damaging, but I guess because it makes you uncomfortable you would rather scream racism instead of accepting the discomfort."

You accepted the discomfort did you not? I'm quoting you dumbass!! Explain the fucking discomfort so you accepted it!

by Anonymousreply 30802/06/2021

since you accepted it.

by Anonymousreply 30902/06/2021

Would anybody who has witnessed the reaction to the Civil rights movement question that race is an uncomfortable subject? Yes, a republican would or a democrat terrified of dealing with racial issues.

by Anonymousreply 31002/06/2021

I'm terrified of your white racial hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 31102/06/2021

Blocked whoever I was dealing with there, funny how all those message trying to find issues with dealing with race were all from the same person.

by Anonymousreply 31202/06/2021

You never did explain yourself R310

by Anonymousreply 31302/06/2021

They are focused on black men as sex objects

That's all men for me, what does that make me?

I objectified the cutest redhead guy working at Home Depot today, my god he was so fine, I snuck a pic of him too and sent it to my friend.

by Anonymousreply 31402/06/2021

He knows what he’s doing

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What if I think most black men are generally more beautiful than us white men but am not attracted to them? For me, a more femme, white, older bottom is what I like. I am a top so there is that but there are also femme black men. At the gym and in general, black men (and for that matter women), at least that don't fall into the obesity trap, are more physically beautiful in general. But when it comes to sex, I get hard for older white men. I guess I am a weird top.

by Anonymousreply 31702/26/2021

Does it make me racist or open-minded or a fetishist that I keep pictures of black men with the biggest, most luscious lips I see? A small album.

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Nice bruh

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Does it make me racist or open-minded or a fetishist that I keep pictures of black men with the biggest, most luscious lips I see? A small album.

Yes, you're a racist fetishist, and probably hypocritical about it. Sad to say Robin D'Angelo would have a field day with you. Big lips? Are you fucking serious?

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[quote]For me, a more femme, white, older bottom is what I like.

You must love DLers then.

by Anonymousreply 32303/06/2021

When you want a black buck really bad

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Could wreck your guts

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r 324 are you posting from Ken Norton's Mandingo?

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