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Superman (1978)

It's currently available on On-Demand and I just finished watching (probably my fourth or 5th time seeing it). On the plus side, it was the 151 minute director's cut; on the minus side, except for the opening and closing credits, it's pan-and-scan.

Still, it holds up marvelously, even if the FX look obvious. It's the story, directing and acting that make it work. Something which too many modern blockbusters have forgotten. Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder are truly dazzling.

I remember going to see it when I was 9 with my dad. I had such a sense of awe from beginning to end; it's truly an epic film. I still felt that tonight, watching it, something which I've never experienced at any subsequent comic book films (the closest was probably Spider-Man 2).

by Anonymousreply 93April 30, 2019 3:27 PM

Sorry, OP, you lost me at "pan-and-scan."

by Anonymousreply 1May 19, 2010 2:58 AM

Love it and the first sequel. Just hearing the music gives me the same thrill I had seeing it as a kid.

On the downside, AMC showed Superman 3 over the weekend and I watched part of it for the first time in probably 25 years. Even worse than I remembered. How could they kill off such a great series with that mess? (Though Annette O'Toole as Lana Lang was cute.)

by Anonymousreply 2May 19, 2010 3:13 AM

I try to pretend that Superman 3 never happened.

Agreed that much of what makes Superman 1 work is the story. I like that the director and producers took the material seriously. Not seriously as in "this is great drama" but seriously as in "here is what people would do in a situation like this." It's a good film.

by Anonymousreply 3May 19, 2010 3:36 AM

I love this movie and its first sequel so much I can barely watch them.

I was in love with both Reeves and Kidder back in the day, and seeing them when they were young, healthy, and brilliant... hurts.

by Anonymousreply 4May 19, 2010 3:44 AM

Christopher Reeve has never been dazzling.

by Anonymousreply 5May 19, 2010 3:51 AM

Reeve is terrific in the movie, especially as Clark. He really makes the whole thing work. Except for the time-reverse ending, of course, which is ludicrous.

Superman II is even better.

by Anonymousreply 6May 19, 2010 4:09 AM

You're wrong, R5, he was dazzling in this film.

I don't think he was an especially great actor, but he really did embody the comic book Superman, both as the nerdy Clark Kent, and the supernatural Man of Steel.

At least that's how I saw it all those many years ago.

by Anonymousreply 7May 19, 2010 4:15 AM

Right? They were great films. They've been showing them on AMC. Watch every time they're on.

3 was sort of okay, 4 was the travesty.

by Anonymousreply 8May 19, 2010 4:16 AM

[quote]I try to pretend that Superman 3 never happened.

"Superman 3" was Oscar-caliber compared to the epic meltdown of "Superman 4."

by Anonymousreply 9May 19, 2010 4:35 AM

Singer picked up Superman Returns after Superman 2, pretending that 3 and 4 never existed.

Smart.

I thought Returns was great; Routh was EXCELLENT, the perfect successor to Reeve.

I thought the part where Lex freakin' STABS Supes with the Kryptonite shivie (sp?) was too much.

It felt like Lex wanted to FUCK him. (Insert Spacey joke here.)

Lois was miscast -- too soft. But, as a whole, I thought it was a great movie.

by Anonymousreply 10May 19, 2010 4:47 AM

I also really liked Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor in the original. He was really fun.

"We all have our faults. Mine's in California..."

by Anonymousreply 11May 19, 2010 4:50 AM

Reeve really did look like Superman.

by Anonymousreply 12May 19, 2010 5:24 AM

I loved Singer's movie too, but I remember one bitter queen on this board who hated it. Agree that Routh was very good and Bosworth weak.

by Anonymousreply 13May 19, 2010 8:22 AM

"How big are you - I mean, how tall are you?", and "Do you like pink?", "I like pink very much, Lois"

... the innuendo of that entire scene went completely over my head when I was kid. Can't imagine a family movie even going anywhere near that in this day and age.

by Anonymousreply 14May 19, 2010 8:53 AM

WORST WIGS IN THE HISTORY POF CINEMA!

by Anonymousreply 15May 19, 2010 11:55 AM

[quote]Reeve is terrific in the movie, especially as Clark. He really makes the whole thing work. Except for the time-reverse ending, of course, which is ludicrous... Superman II is even better.

Ludicrous? You mean as opposed to a man who could fly and comes from another planet? It's a fantasy, nothing can be ludicrous.

I loved the first one as a kid. By the time the second came out, I was working as an usher in a theatre and was thrilled we were getting "Superman II". I was crushed I didn't like it. And I admit it, I know I am apparently the only person to not to like it. It's not horrible, but for me, it didn't have the epic scope of the first one. I'll still watch it whenever it's on and I saw the Donner Director's cut, but my heart will always be with the first.

One goof to look for, since the first two were shot in England, in part II, when the villians come into town, listen for the kid to yell. "Don't hurt my Daddy", clearly the kid has an English accent.

Got to meet Christopher Reeve right after Part II opened and he was an amazingly warm and funny guy. Treated my family as if he knew them all his life. Made him all the more beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 16May 19, 2010 12:20 PM

Look! They need machines to fly!

by Anonymousreply 17May 19, 2010 12:40 PM

"You've got me!?! Who's got you!?!"

I don't think Reeve would work nearly as well without Margot Kidder. I mean, I love Annette O'Toole, but her Lana just didn't work nearly as well...although still 1000x better than another depiction of Lana that I could mention.

by Anonymousreply 18May 19, 2010 12:45 PM

I loved the movie and I also loved the Mad Magazine parody of it.

Lois: “Who would believe a man could fly?”

Superman, to himself, “The same morons who would believe a $125 a week reporter could live in a Taj Mahal apartment like this!”

by Anonymousreply 19May 19, 2010 1:42 PM

Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder were absolutely perfect, and had great chemistry. No other actors could have played Superman and Lois Lane better than those two did.

by Anonymousreply 20May 19, 2010 1:50 PM

The DVD has a bunch of footage of various actresses testing for Lois. Despite the fact that Kidder isn't the best actress they saw, she's clearly the best Lois.

They have Stockard Channing playing her as a totally unlikable bitch, and Lesley Ann Warren playing her as a complete airhead who seems like she'd have too much trouble understanding that the sun hasn't gone away forever at night to make a credible girl reporter.

by Anonymousreply 21May 19, 2010 2:27 PM

Here are the auditions. Reeve was in a temp costume before the producer insisted he wear a cup to smooth things out.

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by Anonymousreply 22May 19, 2010 2:46 PM

I saw this when I was 12 in a big old movie palace in downtown Kansas City. It was a wonderful experience. The special effects really freaked one guy out. He stood up and started shouting "THAT'S FAKE, MAN!!! THAT'S FAKE!!! HOW HE GONNA BE FLYING LIKE THAT - THAT'S FAKE!!!"

by Anonymousreply 23May 19, 2010 3:00 PM

I always end up thinking the real star is John Williams' wonderful score.

He may have won Oscars for his other scores, but to me, Superman is his best work.

by Anonymousreply 24May 19, 2010 3:02 PM

any indications of how big Chris Reeve was?

by Anonymousreply 25May 19, 2010 3:11 PM

Well, MPC would unstatisfied, but the verificatia of his junk in the little red panties from the test reels indicate sizemeat.

by Anonymousreply 26May 19, 2010 3:15 PM

[quote]I always end up thinking the real star is John Williams' wonderful score... He may have won Oscars for his other scores, but to me, Superman is his best work.

Agree and still the best credits ever on the big widescreen with stereo sound. Those whoooshs came from all over the theater. So cool. Best Score Oscar went to "Midnight Express"and Best Sound to "The Deer Hunter" WTF?

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by Anonymousreply 27May 19, 2010 4:34 PM

Christopher Reeve was so damn handsome.

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by Anonymousreply 28May 19, 2010 4:38 PM

The credits only happened because the crew put together a teaser trailer to raise flagging spirits onset. It didn't contain any actual footage, just the cast's names whooshing past in front of video of clouds filmed from a plane or helicopter. Everyone liked it so much, they decided to use the same format for the final picture.

Richard Donner and Tom Mankiewicz kvell over the credits on their commentary track.

They also don't really pull any punches when talking about their distaste for Alexander and Ilya Salkind, though they stay pretty polite.

by Anonymousreply 29May 19, 2010 4:44 PM

Hello! I'm 47, live at home, collect comic books and Star Trek memorabilia, and have a well-groomed goatee. I used to work as a barista at Starbucks, but then they closed the store in the airport and I got fired.

You sound like my kind of people.

by Anonymousreply 30May 19, 2010 5:16 PM

I love this film, too.

Brando and Susannah York were sublime. Holy Crap, York is a good-looking woman, not a beauty, just flat out good-looking.

When Jor-El talks how about how humans "wish to be good," I kinda tear up.

Hackman, Hagman, what's the blonde's name again? I hate it that I can't remember because she's very good in this- "Why can't I ever get it on with the good guys?"

Darn, now I wanna re-watch Superman.

by Anonymousreply 31May 19, 2010 5:30 PM

Eve Tessmacher, played by Valerie Perrine.

by Anonymousreply 32May 19, 2010 5:34 PM

God, the Singer version was such a mess. I don't even remember what it was about. Kate Bosworth is a wet noodle at best and Kevin Spacey is dreadful.

The 1978 version is great, love it. And Superman II is the "gay one" to me because Ursa is so damn fierce and its a little campier.

by Anonymousreply 33May 19, 2010 6:00 PM

[quote]And Superman II is the "gay one" to me because Ursa is so damn fierce and its a little campier

And yet it's the one that's ignored since WB allowed Richard Donner to re-cut the movie using his footage. Once they released it on DVD, it's the only one that's been made available for HD.

Even half-formed, and considering that a tick less than a fifth of the movie is still Richard Lester's material (unlike Lester's cut, which is about a quarter Donner's), it's still the better version.

by Anonymousreply 34May 19, 2010 6:04 PM

R22 in this clip it appears that Ms Spacey auditioned for the lead

by Anonymousreply 35May 19, 2010 6:06 PM

I loved "Supergirl". I wish they'd release the 150 minute version on DVD. Or at least re-release the director's cut.

Singer's movie made 2 huge mistakes. Superman abandoning Lois (who, it turns out, was pregnant). And Bosworth. He went to such lengths to find an actor like Reeve- then ditched Kidder, and went for a glam girl. Horrible. Kidder was perfect as Lois- irreplaceable.

by Anonymousreply 36May 19, 2010 6:20 PM

[quote]Ludicrous? You mean as opposed to a man who could fly and comes from another planet? It's a fantasy, nothing can be ludicrous. You don't understand the basic rules of fantasy writing. People will believe in impossible things so long as they have the air of plausibility about them. IF a being from another planet could come here, he MIGHT possibly have powers unlike our own. That idea has a quasi-logical feel to it that we can all accept. But to assert that a man flying in super-fast rings around the earth will not only cause the planet to rotate backwards but that everything on the planet will also move backwards while time itself reverses is just plain silly. It's also a cheap solution to simply hit the "reset" button on the plot after showing cataclysmic events happen as if to say, "never mind." A gimmick like that can only work on you the first time you see it. On repeat viewings there's no suspense whatever because you know that everything bad is going to be made to un-happen.

by Anonymousreply 37May 19, 2010 7:07 PM

You think too much, reply 37. You sound like Sheldon from "The Big Bang Theory". 99% of the world thought it was cool.

by Anonymousreply 38May 19, 2010 7:26 PM

The chemistry that Margot and Christopher had just doesn't exist anymore in film.

by Anonymousreply 39May 19, 2010 7:42 PM

[quote]One goof to look for, since the first two were shot in England, in part II, when the villians come into town, listen for the kid to yell. "Don't hurt my Daddy", clearly the kid has an English accent.

Except that particular scene was shot in Alberta, Canada, which makes one wonder why they didn't just hire a local actor for a one-line role.

[quote]Singer's movie made 2 huge mistakes. Superman abandoning Lois (who, it turns out, was pregnant). And Bosworth. He went to such lengths to find an actor like Reeve- then ditched Kidder, and went for a glam girl. Horrible.

Agreed on both counts. The worst part about the Bosworth casting, aside from her limited acting ability, was simply the incredibility of a 23-year-old actress playing a 35-year-old character. What they SHOULD have done, as I said on threads when the movie came out, is have Parker Posey play Lois instead of Lex's latest Miss Tessmacher.

Btw I agree with R37: there are limits to fantasy in film-writing, and the only thing more ridiculous than Superman reversing the world's axis is that doing so reversed time in the process. This breaks nearly every basic rule of physics.

by Anonymousreply 40May 19, 2010 7:53 PM

[quote]in part II, when the villians come into town, listen for the kid to yell. "Don't hurt my Daddy", clearly the kid has an English accent.

Further trivia: that kid is actor Marcus D'Amico - Mouse from the original "Tales of the City" miniseries.

by Anonymousreply 41May 19, 2010 9:33 PM

I remember the buzz surrounding the making of this film and, then, the promotion of it. As a young teenager discovering his sexuality, I couldn't wait to see t. Christopher Reeves and Margot kidder were fantastic. i also loves the scenes earlier in the movie, when Clark is a young high school student. Whoever played him was a handsome actor, who got the mixture of naivete and sensitivity just right It was a well made film.

by Anonymousreply 42May 19, 2010 9:55 PM

[quote]Whoever played him was a handsome actor, who got the mixture of naivete and sensitivity just right

The actor's name is Jeff East, but his dialogue is actually overdubbed by Chris Reeve.

by Anonymousreply 43May 19, 2010 10:00 PM

Totally agree with r40 that Parker Posey should've played Lois in Superman Returns; but, then, they would've needed to hire an older actor to play Superman.

It was a fine idea to have Superman Returns be a sequel to the first two films, thus ignoring the horrible 3rd and 4th films; that said, repeating much of the dialogue from I and II in Superman Returns, while initially welcome, grew tiresome after awhile.

by Anonymousreply 44May 19, 2010 10:37 PM

[quote]in part II, when the villians come into town, listen for the kid to yell. "Don't hurt my Daddy", clearly the kid has an English accent.[/quote]

And to add insult to injury, wasn't that scene supposed to be in Texas?

by Anonymousreply 45May 19, 2010 10:44 PM

I never got the sense that Superman was turning the Earth around and making it rotate backwards. in the comics, Superman is able to ravel through time by exceeding the speed of light. i think that he was traveling so quickly that it started to appear that the earth was traveling backwards- but that it was superman who was actually traveling back in time.

by Anonymousreply 46May 19, 2010 10:48 PM

There's an even longer version that runs almost three and a half hours. It ran in syndication a lot in the nineties, and it always aired on two consecutive nights.

ABC also aired this version when the movie had its television premiere.

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by Anonymousreply 47May 19, 2010 10:50 PM

"Totally agree with [R40] that Parker Posey should've played Lois in Superman Returns; but, then, they would've needed to hire an older actor to play Superman."

Yeah, that was totally going to happen. We're talking Brian Singer - if you're over 21 you may as well be dead.

by Anonymousreply 48May 19, 2010 11:17 PM

[quote] There's an even longer version that runs almost three and a half hours. It ran in syndication a lot in the nineties, and it always aired on two consecutive nights.

That's part of the reason that the Donner Cut exists

by Anonymousreply 49May 19, 2010 11:31 PM

The Donner cut only adds a few minutes. There is another twenty five to thirty minutes that is not on any DVD edition.

by Anonymousreply 50May 20, 2010 12:01 AM

"The Donner Cut". Bitch please. Its not like he's Speilberg.

by Anonymousreply 51May 20, 2010 12:07 AM

That's what it's called. That's what the DVD is labelled.

Sheesh.

by Anonymousreply 52May 20, 2010 12:12 AM

[quote]they would've needed to hire an older actor to play Superman.

Isn't Superman supposed to stop aging at some point after reaching adulthood? If so he'd be the same age as he was when he left Earth. I also don't think Brandon Routh-rhymes-with-South is too young to play against Parker, who looks quite good for her age.

R50, are you sure the full cut isn't available on the four-disc set that came out a few years ago? See link.

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by Anonymousreply 53May 20, 2010 1:02 AM

Voice, tell me something about the Donner's Cut.

I recorded it last night, not knowing anything about it but all excited since I hadn't seen Superman II in years.

Huh?

Didn't the original Superman II start out with a sequence in the Eiffel Tower?

Or have I lost it?

by Anonymousreply 54May 20, 2010 3:23 AM

Margot Kidder was stunning until they cut her hair and gave her BANGS. That crappy eighties hair-do wouldn't have looked good on Archer either.

Kidder had a sweetness that just came through. And she was very pretty, despite the hair and clothes they gave her.

by Anonymousreply 55May 20, 2010 5:17 AM

You really think Margot Kidder was dazzling?! Really?!

by Anonymousreply 56May 20, 2010 5:29 AM

[quote]Didn't the original Superman II start out with a sequence in the Eiffel Tower

Yes.

Okay, the story here is extremely complicated, but let's see if I can stick to the basics.

The Salkinds were notoriously cheap producers, and so they planned to film both movies simultaneously. As a result, when Tom Mankiewicz was brought in to salvage the script (despite the credits, which are a result of some arcane WGA rule, it's his script, not any of the credited writers, though a lot of the milieu came from Mario Puzo), he structured the story as having two acts. Originally, the first movie was more of a cliffhanger, and didn't end with Superman turning back time (that was left for the second movie), and the missile ended up tearing Zod, Ursa, and Non from the Phantom Zone.

Okay, so the Salkinds and Donner HATED each other, to the point that they brought in Richard Lester to be their intermediary. The Salkinds wanted Donner to make the film campier, which horried him, he in turn started spending too much money. With about 80% of the second film in the can, Donner halted production to focus on editing the first movie. He had expected to resume production afterward, but after a long silence, he eventually got a telegram from Ilya Salkind telling him his services were no longer needed.

The biggest immediate effect was that it broke continuity between the two movies. Lester was brought in (and the rumor onset had always been that he was really there so that he could replace Donner) and under DGA rules, he had to direct at least 51% of the final film in order to receive credit, so he shot new footage and ordered a reshoot of a lot of the existing material. Gene Hackman refused to film with him, which resulted in Luthor's role being cut substantially and resulted in the use of a body double for some scenes. Brando was excised from the film entirely and all of his scenes were reshot with Susannah York, although some of the plot elements were changed. Lester through in a lot more broad humor, plus added in that business about the terrorists with an H-bomb in Paris. This resulted in really noticeable jumps in appearance, especially for Reeve and Kidder. He'd gotten a lot bulkier over the course of filming the two movies, and so there's a mismatch in his body, and Kidder's hair and makeup were completely different, to the point of being distracting.

ANYWAY, the ABC broadcast version, in order to pad the length, threw in a lot of Donner's footage. Some very enterprising fans taped this. As a result, maybe ten years ago, they started agitating that they were going to re-edit the second film to restore Donner's footage. This raised the hackles of the friendly Warner Bros legal department, but did provide an opening for Donner to come in, restore a lot of his original materials, and make the film resemble what he'd originally intended. It's not perfect, because no matter what, some of the stuff is just lost because he never filmed it (there are certain scenes where they're using screen-test footage), but a number of people, including significantly Margot Kidder, think it's the better version.

by Anonymousreply 57May 20, 2010 11:54 AM

Voice if you're still around, thanks for this! GREAT stuff.

Peace.

by Anonymousreply 58May 28, 2010 12:12 AM

I remember what a big fucking deal it was that Marlon Brando was being paid $4 million for just a few days' work (and a few minutes of screen time) for the first film. Now, of course, that wouldn't be much of anything. I always thought Susannah York looked stunning as Lara. Such a lovely woman.

by Anonymousreply 59May 28, 2010 12:39 AM

Still quite stunning. Don't know if she's had any work done, but, regardless, I hope I look as good as York when I'm her age.

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by Anonymousreply 60May 28, 2010 12:45 AM

I seriously don't think VoTN knows how awesome he is. Truly.

by Anonymousreply 61May 28, 2010 12:47 AM

Just watched the opening credits again. Still fucking awesome.

Thanks, R27.

by Anonymousreply 62May 28, 2010 12:53 AM

[quote]I remember what a big fucking deal it was that Marlon Brando was being paid $4 million for just a few days' work (and a few minutes of screen time) for the first film. Now, of course, that wouldn't be much of anything.

The bigger issue, and the reason that the Salkinds were so eager to get rid of him, was that he was contracted to receive a fairly sizable chunk of the films' grosses. By cutting him from the second film, they sidestepped that.

And I'm not much more than a geek with a mind like a steel trap for trivia.

by Anonymousreply 63May 28, 2010 1:08 AM

R60, your picture shows the face of a woman who's had everything done, short of a total face transplant.

by Anonymousreply 64May 28, 2010 2:29 AM

Best superhero movie ever, bar none!!!

by Anonymousreply 65August 7, 2014 6:04 PM

Can you eat my behind

Can you get the hep from it...

by Anonymousreply 66August 7, 2014 6:09 PM

Margot Kidder was excellent in this movie.

by Anonymousreply 67August 7, 2014 7:52 PM

Their midnight ride through the skies to Margo speak/singing "Can You Read My Mind" still brings a tear to my eyes, Marys.

by Anonymousreply 68August 7, 2014 8:14 PM

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 69August 7, 2014 8:16 PM

R69 - It's hard to fake intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 70August 7, 2014 8:19 PM

This thread is four years old! Who the fuck bumped it?

by Anonymousreply 71August 7, 2014 8:19 PM

R71 - Don't know, but who care? The movie was 32 years old when the thread was started. It was old then and old now.

by Anonymousreply 72August 7, 2014 8:22 PM

"Best superhero movie ever, bar none!!!"

Damn skippy!

Why has DC lost the knack of making entertaining movies? "Superman" and "Superman II" were so much fun, the adventure seasoned with just the right amount of humor and a genuine sparkling romance, and now? DC movies are grim and dull. "Man of Steel" is already forgotten, and we're still talking about "Superman".

by Anonymousreply 73August 7, 2014 8:29 PM

[quote]I remember what a big fucking deal it was that Marlon Brando was being paid $4 million for just a few days' work (and a few minutes of screen time) for the first film. Now, of course, that wouldn't be much of anything

Why don't people take inflation into account? Or rise of cost of living?

Yes, $4 million doesn't seem like a lot by modern standards, but it was a lot then because everything cost less.

Today, $20 million is a lot, but in 30 years it could be considered chump change.

by Anonymousreply 74August 7, 2014 9:04 PM

Minnie Driver would've been a far better Lois in Singer's "Returns" than Bosworth.

"Superman IV" was schlock, only made to advance Reeves' anti-nukes politics. Cannon films, Jesus. John Cryer, Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 75August 7, 2014 9:44 PM

I'm pretty young (18) and I just saw Superman & Superman II (Both the Theatrical Cut & Donner Cut - I preferred the Theatrical) this weekend. All three were awesome. I never was much of a Superman fan. I had only seen Smallville, Superman Returns & Man of Steel (I was not impressed), and preferred Batman.

Now after seeing Superman I & II, I am changing my tune. I found the DVD's cheap and now I am ordering the Blu-Rays. Reeve, Hackman, and Kidder were amazing.

by Anonymousreply 76August 11, 2014 5:36 PM

I always thought Rock Hudson would have been a great Superman. In his 30's... mmmm perfection.

by Anonymousreply 77August 11, 2014 5:55 PM

R77, Hudson was not even in the business in the '30s, and he was barely a teen when the thirties ended.

by Anonymousreply 78August 11, 2014 5:58 PM

R78, I hope you're pretty.

by Anonymousreply 79August 11, 2014 6:04 PM

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 80August 11, 2014 6:06 PM

"Minnie Driver would've been a far better Lois in Singer's "Returns" than Bosworth."

Kevin Spacey in a wig would have been a better Lois. Any waitress in the LA Basin would have been a better Lois. My next-door neighbor's yappy little dog would have been a better Lois!

Seriously, I'll never understand how that role ended up so miscast, especially since there's no possibility that Kate Bosworth was sleeping with director Bryan Singer.

by Anonymousreply 81August 11, 2014 6:15 PM

R78, In HIS thirties. Not THE 1930s.

by Anonymousreply 82August 11, 2014 6:33 PM

Before my time, but that Reeve dude was hot. I gotta finally break down and watch those first two flicks.

by Anonymousreply 83August 11, 2014 7:22 PM

"There are limits to fantasy in film-writing, and the only thing more ridiculous than Superman reversing the world's axis is that doing so reversed time in the process. This breaks nearly every basic rule of physics."

Not only that, but even if you suspend disbelief far enough to accept that Superman somehow reversed time, the sequence still doesn't make any sense whatsoever -- because if he reversed time to before Lois was killed in the earthquake, then he also reversed it to before he repaired the San Andreas fault. In the film as it stands, somehow the earthquake just never happens after Superman reverses time. It's an amazingly huge error in the internal logic of the film, which is why the whole sequence is ridiculous.

I just watched the whole movie (the first one) for the first time since I saw it in a theater during its initial release. Even though it's about eight million times better than the one with Henry Cavill (I didn't see the Brandon Routh movie), it's a huge mess in many ways. Here are some notes:

1) The tone shifts wildly throughout, to the point where it seem like at least two different movies -- very earnest for the whole first section, then broadly comic, then back to earnest and sentimental, then back to cartoonishly comic, and so on and so on.

2) Whopping continuity errors. Lex Luthor's hair style and color keeps changing; yes, in his last scene, he rips off a wig to reveal he's bald underneath, but since we don't know that's going to happen from the beginning, it's distracting to see his hair change so obviously, at least three or four times. Even less justified is the change in Jimmy Olsen's haircut -- longish in the first scenes, much shorter at the end in the scenes just before and during the earthquake.

3) I realize the first two movies were basically filmed at once, and there was always a plan for at least one sequel. Still, to introduce the three Kryptonian villains at the beginning of the first film and then never let us see them again after they're sent off into the void, without even so much as a "to be continued" at the end of the film, is weird.

4) The billing of the actors in that great main title sequence is very odd. Sure, I can understand why Brando comes first; but then Christopher Reeve is something like the fifth or sixth name to be listed, without even "and Christopher Reeve as Superman" or anything like that to make his name stand out. He's listed as if he's just a member of the supporting cast. Very odd, even accounting for agents' contract negotiations.

5) I think Kidder's performance is too aggressively quirky and has not aged well.

6) Some of the rear projection in the flying sequences is awful not only awful by today's standards, but also when compared to some other, older movies that did pretty much the same thing, like "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang."

7) There are some "laughs" in the movie that aren't remotely funny any more and would probably not be included in a movie made today, like when we hear that little girl being slapped by her mother for "lying" about a man having flown down from the sky to rescue her cat from a tree.

by Anonymousreply 84August 11, 2014 7:22 PM

"There are some "laughs" in the movie that aren't remotely funny any more and would probably not be included in a movie made today, like when we hear that little girl being slapped by her mother for "lying" about a man having flown down from the sky to rescue her cat from a tree."

Seriously? We love it when little girls are slapped.

by Anonymousreply 85August 11, 2014 7:33 PM

Just watched extended cut today. Wow, that’s the most fun I’ve had watching a movie in a long time!

Theatrical cut is still my favorite, preferred version for pacing, story, etc. But all the extra bits this gives, and especially hearing all the original music cues (opening credits glitch aside), was sooo fun. I was like a 10 year old kid again.

by Anonymousreply 86April 30, 2019 12:23 PM

Weirdly as an 8 year old I ended up in Margot Kidder's house while she was filming Superman in London in '77. Long story short my sister went to kindergarten with Margot's niece, and when it was Margot's daughter, Maggie's birthday they needed some kids to make a party...

Needless to say we had a great time, burgers, toys... I was mesmerised my Margot's huge hoop earrings and swanky American voice. Then the doorbell rang...

In walks Chris Reeve wearing a lumberjack shirt and pumped up within an inch of his life. Well, I was crawling all over him like a shot! I remember him being the kindest most gentle guy. He even signed a photo of him as Superman for me. I'm darned if I can find it anywhere though. When I saw the movie the following year my jaw hit the floor. Magical memories and still a terrific movie.

by Anonymousreply 87April 30, 2019 1:30 PM

r87, thank you for sharing that awesome memory!

by Anonymousreply 88April 30, 2019 1:32 PM

[Quote] .although still 1000x better than another depiction of Lana that I could mention.

The hatred for KKs Lana Lang makes me laugh. But i never finished Smallville once they out Lana with Lex.......maybe i'd feel the same way about her.

[Quote] I loved "Supergirl". I wish they'd release the 150 minute version on DVD. Or at least re-release the director's cut.

I love the Supergirl movie even though it's terrible. It was a pleasant surprise to see some extra scenes put back into the movie.

[Quote] No other actors could have played Superman and Lois Lane better than those two did.

Erica Durance made for a good Lois on Smallville. I still don't know what to make of the latest one played by Bitsie Tulloch. And Tyler is decent in comparison to the shitty writing Henry had to act out in Man Of Steel/BvS.

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by Anonymousreply 89April 30, 2019 1:35 PM

So is there no love for the Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher version of Superman on TV? That show started strong but really didn't have momentum.

by Anonymousreply 90April 30, 2019 1:52 PM

R90 i loved them. I think Dean is the cutest Superman.

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by Anonymousreply 91April 30, 2019 2:06 PM

Most actresses used in the 90s/early 2000s had no training or skill. They were often plucked from the pages of maxim magazine. Their careers fizzled because they sucked.

by Anonymousreply 92April 30, 2019 2:39 PM

R92 lol uh that hasn't exactly changed. I feel like it's even worse now thanks to social media.

by Anonymousreply 93April 30, 2019 3:27 PM
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