Opus Dei is potentially DEAD to ME!

Don't tell Uncle Clarence!

He still hates gay families. Fuck him.

Huge!

He better watch it. We took out JP1 and we can get you too.

More and more it appears how well Francis laid the groundwork so that the only logical choice to succeed him would be Prevost. The way he brought Prevost along so quickly and thoroughly…he signaled to the College of Cardinals and they got the message. I think his election was less of surprise to insiders than indicated in the press, etc. He’s Francis II.

Now go get Raymond Burke!

Keep your mitts off Opus One.

SEE?!! Even the Pope hates DEI!!

I like Leo a lot. He really seems to be focusing on the more noble parts of Catholicism.

I actually got a little emotional reading about his first to canonizations

He picked helpers.

Would anyone here be so kind as to explain the significance a move like this to a clueless Jew? I did a cursory Google and am still lost.

^*of a move like this

Bergoglio did not lay the groundwork for Prevost… Francis laid the groundwork for Parolin, Tagale or a very left of center Cardinal to keep the Francis line alive… Leo is no Francis, nor should he be. Prevost was a compromise candidate, someone to bring the Church back into being the Church and not an NGO. Yet, not someone to drag the Church back to the age of the auto de fe.

That being said, Opus Dei is a weird group whose founder was emotionally and spiritually abusive… Not to mention a supporter of El Caudillo… John Paul was bowled over by Jose Maria. Sainthood and the rise of Opus Dei were one of John Paul’s mistakes…

A sanctioned religious group founded by Francoist Catholics in Spain, that has overstepped its bounds and covered up bad acts, will be put in its place by the Pope—split up so that it has little or no residual power. It kept its power via access to $ from right-wing Catholics in different parts of the world…he’s putting the kibosh on that.

Bergoglio did not lay the groundwork for Prevost…

Prevost’s career path says otherwise. Just the facts.

Expect a lot of barbed cilices and hair shirts to flood the thrift shops soon.

Parolin was pushed by the Italian old guard, who in turn were unhappy with Francis. Parolin would even come out and confirm his agreement with Francis’s synodality goal.

This is all well-known…

would not*

Opus Dei was always a relic of the Franco era. It's a clerical cult of obedience dressed up as sanctity. John Paul II and Benedict saw in it a disciplined instrument for shoring up control at a time when the Church was losing ground; Escrivá’s authoritarian piety fit neatly with their nostalgia for hierarchy. Mother Teresa wasn’t officially part of that machine, but she was very much of its ecosystem: same benefactors, same theology of suffering, same allergy to modernity.

Francis, to his credit, turned the page, and Leo is continuing the story rather than rewriting it. Where John Paul and Benedict built fortresses, Francis and Leo are opening windows. Vatican II is back in print, and Opus Dei’s monopoly on “orthodoxy” is being quietly dismantled.

The Opus Dei years were pure Rosemary’s Baby: “This is no dream! This is really happening!” The Church woke up, finally, and decided to stop raising other people’s demons.

Samuel Alito is a big Opus Dei fan. It wouldn't surprise me if John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett are too. (And maybe Kavanaugh - isn't he Catholic?) So this is good news.

You don’t know your Catholic justices very well.

How about you correct me then instead of snarking?

Also, JD Vance.

Neither the Chief Justice of the United States, nor any Assoc. Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, have been shown to be, or have acknowledged themselves to be, a member or financial supporter of Opus Dei.

Good riddance

That stuff at R15 is fucking nuts.

Peter Thiel was "close friends" with an Opus Dei priest when he was in college

[quote]Neither the Chief Justice of the United States, nor any Assoc. Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, have been shown to be, or have acknowledged themselves to be, a member or financial supporter of Opus Dei.

The conservatives on the Supreme Court all got their jobs thanks to Leonard Leo, who's highly involved in Opus Dei. I don't care if they're "members" (which wouldn't be viable for a Supreme Court justice anyway) - Opus Dei has been extremely influential for the Court's right wing and J.D. Vance as well.

R22, I thought Uncle Clarence was for sure! In fact, I believe I read that here.

Of course, that doesn't make it true.

Whoopty do. As long as gays and women are treated the way they are by the Catholic church, I don't care what he does.

Is this the Mel Gibson faction or the non Mel Gibson faction?

I'm sure Scalia was involved with OD.

R22 sounds suspiciously "nothing to see here."

Mel Gibson is to the right of Opus Dei. His bunch thinks the popes since Vatican II are illegitimate.

[quote] Whoopty do. As long as gays and women are treated the way they are by the Catholic church, I don't care what he does.

The Church is never going to move quickly enough on gays and women as they should.

But between Francis really trying to more to let civil marriage exist and Leo giving gay Catholics an official audience…

I know it doesn’t sound like a lot, but that’s an earthquake compared to JPII and Benedict.

One last thought, because this has really been a nice thing to think about in such a dark time:

I’m still not sure what to make of Leo, but he’s clearly putting the emphasis back on works over words. He’s not reinventing theology. No pope is going to announce multiple paths to heaven.

But he’s quietly saying the Church doesn’t have a monopoly on morality. And that’s a bigger bombshell than it sounds.

This is the Vatican doing penance for Opus Dei and all the times piety got mistaken for power. The man’s building prayer space for visiting Islamic scholars and giving an audience to gay Catholics. That’s not performative liberalism; that’s a whole new playbook.

Francis cracked the window. Leo’s letting the light in.

I know DL has had some gay Catholics here. And I wouldn't be surprised if we've had a gay priest or two posting. We see you. It's all good.

He'll meet a sudden death. By all accounts, many top public servants in the Irish civil service are members of this group. That explains alot.

Perry Mason was a priest?

I knew a gay priest once. He was a former Mormon, a Jesuit and a psychiatrist. He ran the Church’s US treatment facility for “troubled” priests—alcoholics, addicts and pedophiles. He wrote a report warning the church about the massive scandal lurking beneath it. Ratzinger buried it. He died of AIDS and the church made a big public show of his funeral to show how tolerant they were. He would not have wanted his medical privacy exploited.

He told them in June it was coming.

Opus DEI

Unfortunately, the remnants of Opus Dei curse us right to the present time. Leonard Leo, the guy from the Federalist Society that has pushed and promoted so many extremely conservative Catholic jurists through the confirmation process, up to and including 4 or 5 of the current Supremes, was a member of Opus Dei and was on the Catholic Information Center board, which was/is a lobbying arm of Opus Dei direct to Congress. Although not all of the judges that Leonard Leo promoted are Catholic, they all share super conservative positions on things like abortion, and elevating Christianity over separation of church and state.

It won't be a "relic" for the citizens of the US, until all these judges are dead, since they are in life-time positions.

Cant' wait until Linda McMahan comes before Congress and talks about the wokeness of OPUS Dee. Eee . I

Pope Leo > Leonard Leo

If you're a woman who needs an abortion to survive then Pope Leo=Leonardo Leo. You're dead either way.

The Church will never REALLY change. Don't kid yourselves.

Hildegard Von Bingen would like a word.