Illegal crossings along U.S.-Mexico border plummet to lowest annual level since 1970

When you turn the US into a shithole, people don't want to come here

Good job!

R1, it amazes me that is the conclusion someone could come to.

R3, why? It's true.

[quote]When you turn the US into a shithole, people don't want to come here

In fact. ICE is doing them a FAVOR by sending them back.

"it amazes me that is the conclusion someone could come to."

Would it amaze you to know several million Americans might be willing to leave this shithole country and never look back at its neanderthal, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging denizens and their fake jingoistic patriotism and their equally fake Christianity?

The US is still paradise compared to Mexico.

It seems like Democrats could be heartened by the concept that when the government leaders put their minds to it and put forth effort and money, that intractable problems can effectively be dealt with, without having to compromise. Sometimes, it really is as simple as, "you stop the inflow of illegals at the border by (literally) stopping the inflow of illegals at the border." No phone app, no numerical triggers needed, not even a new law required.

R8, I think it was more like "Make a bunch of new, illegal laws, and have them rubber stamped by the paid-for supreme court." And it is also more like "Militarize America's cities, arrest people because they're brown, and build illegal prison camps for them." That's why the US is becoming a shithole, and that's why the republican solution has nothing to do with the security of the border, and everything to do with the final solution.

Shoot! Less yummy foreskin to play with!

r8, Republicans are making it harder for people to come here legally, it was never just about "the illegals"

Less immigration will shrink our economy

[Quote] It seems like Democrats could be heartened by the concept that when the government leaders put their minds to it and put forth effort and money, that intractable problems can effectively be dealt with, without having to compromise. Sometimes, it really is as simple as, "you stop the inflow of illegals at the border by (literally) stopping the inflow of illegals at the border." No phone app, no numerical triggers needed, not even a new law required.

Really Defacto? You should actually be thanking Joe Biden if this is such exciting news to you. Trump and his masked thugs aren’t doing anything magical, or even new.

This is the continuing result of policies adopted under Biden, as well as new Mexican policies.

Well, less future Republican voters.

r13, white people vote GOP more than anyone, including Latinos

R12 Yeah, during Biden's last 6 months in office he decided to do something. Bravo.

R12 From that article: "The Border Patrol recorded 58,038 encounters with migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border in August,"

"During Trump's first eight months in office, there have been fewer than 9,000 illegal crossings recorded each month, CBS reported." - BBC

^ The first quote pertains to August 2024.

Please explain the methodology to calculate these numbers. And who is doing the counting and reporting. And whether a Cheeto- stained Sharpie is involved.

Of course border crossings are down.

As soon as Trump got reelected, Republican operatives stopped paying desperately poor people to make the trek to the US border.

Illegal crossings are going to explode when the Trump regime starts to jail, deport or execute those who Trump decides on a whim have slighted him.

It'll just be the other way around. American people aspiring to live a better life in Mexico, a reverse stream of Dreamers. Then Mexico might even want to pay for that wall!

Many more people were deported during Obama. Statistics and facts are easily manipulated. And they are doing a better job at it - because they have no scruples.

This is good news.

[quote]Many more people were deported during Obama.

And people were happy about it. Let's hope Trump reaches those numbers.

R19 They never did it and I’m not a Republican and voted for Harris. Please explain the logistics and then provide the receipts.

Repeating shit that you just think or want to be true makes you seem like a MAGA.

As soon as I'm able to locate the shoeboxes of receipts Republicans have laying around marked "illegal payoff receipts" that will make them so much easier for nosy investigators to track them down I'll forward those receipts to you SAP. You wait and hold your breath the entire time. Those receipts will appear before you croak.

You really are the dumb ass ma fucking asshole people around here say you are.

[quote]As soon as Trump got reelected, Republican operatives stopped paying desperately poor people to make the trek to the US border.

How much did they each get?

R4, I just meant only someone who has lived their entire life in a first world country could say something so glib.

We know why border crossing are down.

[quote] As soon as Trump got reelected, Republican operatives stopped paying desperately poor people to make the trek to the US border.

Really? Where did you hear that?

[quote]Illegal crossings along U.S.-Mexico border plummet to lowest annual level since 1970

US fascism is SUCH a success.

Just wait to see what they're going to do to blue US cities!

R3, IT’S TRUE! why is tourism likewise down, jack wad?

It’s actually Biden who brought the numbers down dramatically near the end of his term.

As usual, Trump is taking all the credit

Maybe AI will perform the work only immigrants were willing to do in this country.

I’m copyrighting my very own E.T.

Eduardo Trejo. He will be a functional robot personal maid and sex worker.

Because the Rethuglians stopped paying 'coyotes' to transport them to 20 miles south of the Border. Where FOX News would be waiting to film the 'caravans'.

What are the numbers for the real immigration problem. the people who simply overstay their visas?

They can say whatever they want.

If it were Democrats, everyone would cheer.

Trump scaring off the illegals is statistically approved by both Democrats and Republicans as polls always show no one wants illegals here except radical white suburban left.

Here’s what SCARY

The jump of illegals with the next Democratic President. If Republicans can maintain illegals staying away, that’s going to be a huge threat to the Democratic Party.

When Biden became President, it shot up.

So 2028’s GOP campaign will simply be that talking point. Which is bad for Democrats.

Surrrre....and it's absolutely noticeable. I walk out of my house and say, "Border crossings must be down." MEANWHILE, this weekend in Dallas, like...20 people got shot.

R37 Oh, I think once people's health insurance gets fucked-up, 2028's DEM campaign will simply be THAT talking point. Which is bad for ReTrumplicans.

Texas is and always has been a cesspool

[quote] What are the numbers for the real immigration problem. the people who simply overstay their visas?

People overstaying their visa is NOT “the real immigration problem “. Over staying a visa cannot be compared to an illegal border crossing.

And food is rotting in the fields and our tourism industry is dying

Four of the 9/11 terrorists were here because they overstayed their visas, r40. None of the nineteen entered the country illegally.

Christ, why is everyone so stupid?

America needs to admit FOUR legal immigrants per each single Boomer drawing Social Security in order to keep the system solvent.

Ironically, we would only need to admit TWO “illegal” immigrants to do the same, since they don’t withdrawal the benefits for the taxes they pay.

And yes, they pay the same taxes you do when they work in fields and factories.

It’s not a question of shutting the border down. Or opening it wide. It’s a question of how many immigrants do we need? And are we better off economically if they arrive legally or not?

But by all means, keep up the zero sum debate. It’s been so productive for everyone.

R42 it is absurd using them as an example. In no way can overstaying a visa be compared to entering the country illegally. They are two different things. Entering the country illegally is a federal crime.

You can say it’s absurd all you want. Overstayed visas gave us the worst terrorist attack in American history. Federal crime or not, entering the country illegally has mostly given us cheap labor.

Right. We want cheap labor for some and a 20$ minimum wage for others…

Just like we dramatically lowered the number of alien vermin in OUR homeland!

Gute Arbeit, meine Kameraden!

List the countries that anyone can enter illegally and expect to live without consequences.

I see Bari Weiss has already started her new job at CBS.

They've probably sopped patrolling the border entirely.

R49 exactly. Post R45 is all for exploiting labor. Typical.

Let's go ask the border farmers.

Right, and you two are all terrorism. Typical.

No answer to post R48?

No answer because it ignores that many are described as illegal, but have legal status as DACA, TPS, or asylum seekers. Many of those have crossed the country illlegally but have legal status. So, the answer would start with the US.

[quote]Entering the country illegally is a federal crime.

And how is overstaying a visa not a federal crime? I guess all those ICE agents going after immigrants based on visa records are just making it up.

BTW, about 40% of undocumented immigrants arrived here on a visa (to answer my own question).

R56 The law is the law: overstaying a visa is not a federal crime. It is a civil violation.

[quote] about 40% of undocumented immigrants arrived here on a visa (to answer my own question).

Bullshit. If you come over on a visa you are documented.

Maybe children begging and selling candy on the NYC subway will finally be a thing of the past.

Democrats really sabotaged themselves on the U.S.–Mexico border issue last election — especially with their messaging. There was a bipartisan Senate agreement, led in part by Oklahoma Republicans, that could have shown progress, but Trump torpedoed it, and Democrats failed to communicate that clearly to voters. They missed the chance to pin the blame where it belonged. Then you had voices like AOC saying the border should be open to everyone and that crossing without documentation should just result in a ticket — comments that made it look like the party had no serious border policy.

Meanwhile, in cities like New York, billions were spent on hotels, debit cards, and healthcare for arriving migrants. Everyone knows that many were enrolled in local Medicaid-managed plans like Fidelis Care. So when Republicans claim that undocumented migrants are getting Medicaid, it wouldn’t hurt for Congress to invite the CEO of Fidelis Care to explain exactly how those enrollments are happening.

[quote]They missed the chance to pin the blame where it belonged.

The blame belonged with the Biden administration.

"Maybe children begging and selling candy on the NYC subway will finally be a thing of the past."

Children have been begging and selling trinkets/candy on the NYC subway since the subways first started. It isn't just some recent phenomena that you seem to think.

That you seem to think otherwise denotes a tremendous lack of knowledge of history on your part. Did you ever hear of the Depression?

[quote]Children have been begging and selling trinkets/candy on the NYC subway since the subways first started. It isn't just some recent phenomena that you seem to think.

You're wrong about that.

And any long time NYer will tell you so.

Even the subway system during the 1970s dark days of bankrupt NYC did not have children begging on the subway.

One of the major reasons our economy did so much better that the rest of the world’s economies during and after COVID was the fact that we let in so many immigrants during that time. The economy was buzzing thanks to them.

[Quote] Maybe children begging and selling candy on the NYC subway will finally be a thing of the past.

It could be a thing of the past if southern states didn’t ship the undocumented to NYC

[Quote] Then you had voices like AOC saying the border should be open to everyone and that crossing without documentation should just result in a ticket

Um, AOC never said either of those things.

It just goes to show that, no matter what the Dems say, the GOP will twist it and claim the Dems said something worse

Link please, R63.

Otherwise, you're just pulling shit out of your prolapsed hole.

Or if asylum seekers could work. They have to wait five months before they can apply for a work permit. The courts are backlogged, so they can’t get resolution for years. Which is why there were efforts to give them food and housing assistance, and also children selling candy.

I always buy lemonade (that I don’t drinkf from entrepreneurial kids in the neighborhood. And I always buy candy (that I don’t take) on the subway from kids who are probably hungry.

[Quote] The blame belonged with the Biden administration.

Biden is the one who actually brought the numbers down dramatically. He actually followed the law—if someone claims asylum, the law requires we follow a certain legal process.

[Quote] Bullshit. If you come over on a visa you are documented.

Wow, it’s amazing that we’re arguing with people who don’t even understand the basic laws around immigration.

If you come on a visa (tourist, student, etc) but stay after that visa expires, you are now undocumented.

[Quote] The law is the law: overstaying a visa is not a federal crime. It is a civil violation.

And it’s at the level of a parking ticket

[Quote] Everyone knows that many were enrolled in local Medicaid-managed plans like Fidelis Care. So when Republicans claim that undocumented migrants are getting Medicaid, it wouldn’t hurt for Congress to invite the CEO of Fidelis Care to explain exactly how those enrollments are happening.

The GOP is banking on American confusion about the various legal statuses of immigrants.

If one is claiming asylum, he will get some cash benefits and will, temporarily, be allowed to use Medicaid. They are, by legal definition, LEGAL immigrants until their cases are seen by an immigration judge who will make the ultimate decision .

[Quote] [R12] Yeah, during Biden's last 6 months in office he decided to do something. Bravo

MAGAs have a problem with math it seems. Since when is 2023 “the last six months in office, Defacto.”

Anyway, sounds like typical MAGA deflection. It was Biden who changed to policies and the resulting decline in illegal entry, NOT Trump.

Nice work getting your six FF sock puppets to WW your deflectin though. Very convincing. 🤭

Yes r16, do you know how policies take effect over time? Apparently not.

Ok Defacto, tell us what additional policies Trump put in place besides a bunch of meaningless executive orders. Be specific and show how any of his hand waving resulted directly in lower numbers than the declining curve after Biden out tougher laws in place.

Because the curve from Oct 23 to today looks pretty smooth to me.

Oh and don’t cite the Trump regime’s bullshit propaganda.

[Quote] Yeah, during Biden's last 6 months in office he decided to do something. Bravo

Actually Biden pushed Congress to do its job. Congress was on the verge of passing immigration reform when Trump sabotaged it.

Then Biden did what he could with his executive powers.

[quote]If you come on a visa (tourist, student, etc) but stay after that visa expires, you are now undocumented.

You're wrong. And you're really rather stupid.

If you have a visa you are DOCUMENTED.

First of all, it means you have a passport with all of your identifying info. You cannot get a visa to enter the US without a passport.

In order to get a visa, you MUST file a DS-160 form which asks: "detailed personal, travel, and background information to assess an applicant's eligibility for a U.S. visa, including: personal details (name, passport info, address), travel plans (purpose, dates, U.S. stay), past U.S. travel history, work and education history, family information, security questions, and social media identifiers. You also need to upload a digital photograph that meets specific requirements."

Got it now, dope?

Cont: And if you overstay your visa, you are in the US illegally, but you are registered with register with the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

There is no equivalency with an undocumented person entering illegally.

[quote]Then Biden did what he could with his executive powers.

Biden could have used his executive powers from day one.

The worrying thing about this is that future Republican presidential candidates will say, truthfully, that if a Democratic is elected president immigrants will again start streaming over the border. And people will vote Republican because they’ve convinced themselves that immigration is the worst thing imaginable.

I hate how cruel my country has become.

Here's a chart from the BBC.

Trump/Biden migrants:

This is the only country where people would actually complain about not enough illegals are coming in.

R81 All by people who don’t live in areas where they are by the way!

Good

I live in an area with plenty of (presumably) illegal migrants. Never had anything but a positive experience, which is more than I can say for the (presumable) natives. I don’t even know anyone who has been negatively affected by immigrants, so this level of bitterness and resentment is baffling.

It's fucked up, but I'm secretly hoping that Republicans continue their open racism because on paper, central American voters seem like they'd be perfect Republican voters