Stock Market Jumps to Record High as the Nation Falls Apart

Fuck you right back, OP.

Rich keep getting richer. Poor keep getting the shaft.

Just a massive pump and dump casino

Until stock market crashes Dump has no incentive to change course.

^ which will then cause increased layoffs and affect the vast population negatively.

We have to hope for other ways like public unrest and pressure on the elected politicians (they need to fear them more then Trump).

I’m poor, but I do have a 401k in the stock market.

Keep on climbing! And by the way, I hate fucking Trump.

Yup, of course, we should all be very clear: the rich are not on our side, they are not on the side of the country, they are not on the side of constitutional government. They are antithetical to us. We should never expect their support, ever. The better off the rich, the worse off the rest of the country. That's how the stock market and the super rich work.

DOW is the Investment Classes Vegas. No relation to the real economy .

It's all about the "excitement" around AI and Crypto. The douchebro traders don't give a shit about any other sector of the economy.

Don't assume rich people are Republicans. Look at Nancy Pelosi.

[quote] Stock Market Jumps to Record High as the Nation Falls Apart

If you should be so lucky to live until retirement, what the market is doing during your investing years is still of major importance, regardless of whatever else is happening in the world.

[quote] Until stock market crashes Dump has no incentive to change course.

I’m getting close to retirement, so people wanting to see my retirement fund collapse to achieve some wished for political gain are not endearing to me.

What R11 says. If you have been investing money in a basic S&P 500 or Total Market index fund you should be thrilled with this.

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. And you’re never going to beat them. So why not be part of the spoils?

[quote] DOW is the Investment Classes Vegas. No relation to the real economy .

The stock market is a market, so there is a relation to what buyers and sellers believe is the current and future value (based on expectation of future earnings) of the shares they trade. That necessarily does relate to the real economy.

ABC News - Sept 25th 20025:

"US economy expanded at 3.8% pace in significant upgrade of second quarter growth"

"The U.S. economy expanded at a surprising 3.8% from April through June in a dramatic upgrade of the government's previous estimate of second-quarter growth"

Good news about the economy is going to be treated as bad news by some.

What about all the unsold soybeans?

It always depends which economy you are talking about. For some people, the economy of stocks and bonds and capital formation and borrowing large sums and trading are "the economy." For others, it's always going to be wages, and jobs, and income, and rents, and housing, and groceries, etc. Those two kinds of economy are often on two very different tracks. The stock market can be doing great while most people are suffering economic losses.

The stock market is not the economy. It’s a reflection of how people who study the economy for investment purposes feel about how the economy is doing.

[quote] The stock market can be doing great while most people are suffering economic losses.

That’s the difference between macro and micro level. If the macro economy is doing well, stock market does well, while at the micro level there can be individuals not doing well.

If you look at historical trends then we are due. We are heading towards a crash so be prepared with your retirement funds. Only gamble what you can afford to lose otherwise stay with products that have a guaranteed ROI. I've gone through 2 in my lifetime. The first in the 80s, I was a school kid so didn't hurt me. The second I was heavily invested in real estate in 2008 and that destroyed me. I'm finally ok from that and swore I would never allow things out of my control to harm me again financially.

Not good news for the midterms.

[quote]We are heading towards a crash

Uh-huh. And Trump will die or be impeached from office. You’ve learned nothing. The man made a pact with the Devil. Things always end up going his way.

you really think the state of the stock market in October of 2025 will affect the midterms in November of 2026, r21, or is that all just part of the Dems are always losing and must always be in a state of panic?

Yes, r23. Americans have bought into the stock market doing well so the economy is great.

That is extremely tentative and extremely temporary r24. Nobody is going to give a shit about this a month from now, and certainly not a year.

It's lovely living in comfort while the world burns.

[quote]It's lovely living in comfort while the world burns.

Just as it's always been.

[quote] I’m getting close to retirement, so people wanting to see my retirement fund collapse to achieve some wished for political gain are not endearing to me.

I am about 5 years from retirement. I don't want to see the market collapse but it WILL collapse as a result of Dump's retarded economic policy. I do not relish the fall but it is inevitable. Better to happen before midterms than after.

I'm richer than I ever thought I would be thanks to an overheated stock market. I'm in my 70s and retired, that money is for my care as I'm alone in this world. Any leftovers goes to animal rescues. A stock market crash is inevitable as it's been going up without good reason. I just hope it recovers when I need the money.

R29, why don’t you move it to CDs or something safe? No need to wait for the market to crash.

The price/earnings ratio relative to the price of stocks is not that high now.

It's currently around 30. Which is towards the high level, but not extreme.

It was 35 a few years ago, and during bubbles it goes to 50-100. So it's not extreme.

Companies are making more money, therefore stock prices go up.

1929 redux...

It’s ok to take money from the market and park into bonds or even annuities once you’re close to retirement.

Am I wrong, but have most US economic horrors began in Octobers?

[QUOTE] Companies are making more money, therefore stock prices go up.

How are they making more money, R31?

The price to earnings ratio as of Friday is 27.57. This is historically very high. If earnings collapse, as in the Dot com bubble of 2000 or Covid crash or 9/11 or Great Recession, the ratio goes way up. It is usually a lagging indicator rather than a predictor of crashes. That said, we are historically very high now.

R29, I'm thinking about it. The money is going to animal rescues so I want as much as possible.

You are correct, r34

I took 75% of my 401k out of the market in January of this year and put the funds into fixed annuities, where my principal was secure and my interest was steady. I knew Trump was going to tank the economy, it was just a matter of how quickly that was going to impact the market. I am at the cusp of retirement now, and I do not have time to ride out volatility. In 2008-2009 I lost 40% of my 401k portfolio value due to the financial crisis, and it took me until 2016 just to get back to where I was 8 years before. It's just a matter of time. Trump's insider friends will know when to bail, we won't.

[quote] I took 75% of my 401k out of the market in January of this year and put the funds into fixed annuities

The S&P YTD gain that you missed out on is at 14%, but it sounds like that doesn’t matter to you.

r31, from AI:

The average P/E ratio varies depending on the specific market or index and the time period used for calculation, but historically, the S&P 500 average P/E has been around 16-20, with notable historical periods of both higher and lower averages, and current P/E values often deviating significantly from their long-term averages, indicating shifts in market valuation. For example, the S&P 500's P/E ratio has historically been above 20, but the average can change depending on when the calculation starts and ends.

20 up to 30 - that means the market is 50% overvalued. That seems pretty bad to me.

The forward P/E ratio for the S&P 500 is approximately 23.95 as of early October 2025, representing a decrease from the previous quarter and a more significant decrease from a year ago. This metric divides the current stock price of the index by the estimated earnings per share (EPS) for the next 12 months, offering a forward-looking view of the market's valuation.

Historical Context: While 23.95 is the current figure, the historical range for the forward P/E has been between 21.12 and 29.48, with a long-term average around 25.30.

I'm 69 and am still fully invested in the S&P and NASDAQ. I haven't withdrawn any money from my IRA yet and with luck, I shouldn't have to until I'm required at 73. I can lose 20% and still be in good shape. Trump's identity is tied to the stock market. He'll do anything to prop the markets up. And investors aren't terribly bright people. They'll go along with him, at least for now. I'll stay in until my gut tells me to get out.

[quote] Companies are making more money, therefore stock prices go up.

There is that...

Massive deregulation -- and absence of regulatory oversight or enforcement -- and reductions in workforce have increased corporate earnings in 2025.

If experienced inflation is steadily ticking up (have you seen the cost of coffee?) and un/underemployment is increasing (very few under 40 year olds I know have landed decent paying jobs in the past six months), who’s going to buy the crap these new, highly profitable companies are producing.

R45, your limited experience is not indicative of the world economy.

The post was about US indices and the U.S. shutdown