THEATRE GOSSIP #602: The "Let's Irritate People Sick of Barry Williams" Edition

He is the new DL Favorite after all.

As a fat shut-in who hasn’t left home since The Brady Bunch Hour was on TV and couldn’t fit into a theatre seat anyway, I approve of this thread title.

[quote]I had to do it.

That's only because you love to drive things into the ground until they lose any vestige of humor they may have had, OP. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Thank you for starting a new thread, OP!

Yes, thanks OP.

I used to think that Muriel was Elaine Stritch. I mean, I never saw them in the same room together. Then I realized that Muriel would never lift her caftan for an English muffin man named Bays. I mean, my God, you have to keep the damn things refrigerated!

At Liberty was taped for HBO but they realized it was unairable. They switched to the Pennebaker documentary.

[quote]Brevity is the soul of wit.

Dunno, I think the title is pretty brev.

So where is the tape of At Liberty now?

Well done OP, well done!

Here you go r9. 2 hours and 25 minutes

Thanks R11.

Love the first comment:

[quote] @pjpugapillarfan2750 3 days ago This IS PURE TALENT I AM 52 NOW I CAN COMPLETELY RELATE! I LUV HER RIP YOUR 1 OF THE BEST

It's not the work, it's the stairs/stares. That is the centerpiece of the show. No further comments necessary.

STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!

And you wonder why I drank.

[quote] It's not the work, it's the stairs/stares

I’ve never understood this joke.

I too saw At Liberty - one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen on stage.

[quote]I’ve never understood this joke.

I've never heard it as a reference to stares, r16. I believe it refers to - It's not the work (the fucking), it's the having to go up and down the stairs with each customer.

Besides Elaine, Bea, and Chita, were there any other prominent one-woman shows from that time?

Well, well, here ya go...

*Applause St Louis Photo Session*

There was Minnelli on Minnelli, R19, but you said "prominent."

R19. Dame Edna!

Hugh Jackman

[quote]Besides Elaine, Bea, and Chita, were there any other prominent one-woman shows from that time?

The amazing Suzanne Somers!

The idea that At Liberty was anything but a total triumph is just silly musings of contrarians.

From the last thread....

[quote]I did see At Liberty, and it was an amazingly memorable night of theatre. It's easy to dismiss Stritch when all you really know of her are anecdotes and YouTube clips. She was a force on the stage -absolutely magnetic. I never saw Merman, but those who did say she was the same. It's really hard for later generations to understand the power of stage stars of yore. Even if they were filmed, film never comes across the same -and performing styles change and evolve over time. Film performances are eternal, but stage performances are truly ephemeral.

I mean... I get what you mean. But, was the poster putting Stritch and Merm in the same category. If so, as someone too young to have ever seen Merm on stage, but someone who saw Stritch both on stage and on film/TV, I'd argue Stritch does not fit the description. Stritch knew how to play to the camera, too, as she proved brilliantly in 30 Rock.

I didn't really get Merm's appeal until I heard that soundboard recording someone posted of the final performance of Gypsy. She sounded sensational and far more nuanced and complex than I'd imagined.

One of my big regrets is not seeing that Suzanne Somers travesty

Not a big regret of mine, r27. I *hate* second-hand embarrassment.

R28 - Joyce DeWitt

Stritch was an actual actress, r26.

Mason Alexander Park will headline Oh Mary! In the West End.

Yeah, and Merman just coasted during her 40 year career, just lucky huh?

I have so many Broadway regrets

1) Missing “The Blonde in the Thunderbird”

2) Missing Billy Porter in “Cabaret”

3) Missing Tonya Pinkins in CSC’s Mother Courage.

Others?

R33. I had tickets for Farrah Fawcett in Bobbi Boland but they posted the closing notice after just a few previews. Huge regret.

I'm not slamming Ethel, r32, but there's a reason she never did Inge or Albee. Elaine seriously studied acting and was able to give more depth.

I know it's not in the same rarified category, but I had five tickets to David Merrick's all-black production Oh, Kay! and we arrived at the theater to find a closing notice posted on the front door. Bummer (for real).

How do I have *zero* memory of that, r36?

Per Ibdb:

Oh, Kay!

Richard Rodgers Theatre (Nov 01, 1990 - Jan 05, 1991)

Lunt-Fontanne Theatre (Apr 18, 1991 - Apr 14, 1991)

Comments This production played 19 previews and 77 performances at the Richard Rodgers Theatre; when it transferred to the Lunt-Fontanne, it played an additional 16 previews and closed prior to its re-opening date of April 18, 1991.

David Merrick's final solo producing credit.

I saw Oh Kay. You didn't miss anything.

[quote]I'm not slamming Ethel, [R32], but there's a reason she never did Inge or Albee. Elaine seriously studied acting and was able to give more depth.

I'm imagining her doing Lady Macbeth using her character from "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World."

BAJOUR!

A great one woman show from that time was TEA AT FIVE with Kate Mulgrew as Katharine Hepburn, in her 20s and declared Box Office Poison in Act I and in her dotage in Act II.

No, Mulgrew didn't play "herself" but she was stupendous. A tour de force.

I saw Elaine and Chita, but not Bea. Two outta three ain't bad!

R3 isn’t Alice. She’s Kay.

R43. Tea at Five at the fabulous Promenade Theatre! I still remember the audience gasping when Kate turned to face us as older Hepburn at the start of act 2. One of the greatest performances I've ever seen.

I saw it too, R46. That brought the house down.

R44, I saw all 3. Chita by a mile. Bea was fun. Elaine was…. Elaine.

[quote] One of my big regrets is not seeing that Suzanne Somers travesty

I saw it three times, if you can believe it. I wasn’t bored for one second.

Weird that Oh, Mary is opening in London without Cole and without, with all due respect to the actor, a recognizable name. Very different strategy from NY casting. I guess they're hoping the buzz for the play itself is enough.

London doesn’t go for American First Ladies played by drag queens. It will be closed by Boxing Day.

And Broadway didn't go for American First Ladies played by British grande dames. We closed in four days!

[quote]Besides Elaine, Bea, and Chita, were there any other prominent one-woman shows from that time?

I'm probably being pedantic here, but are you talking about Chita Rivera, A Dancer's Life, r19?

She had an incredible roster of dancers with her.

[quote][r33]. I had tickets for Farrah Fawcett in Bobbi Boland but they posted the closing notice after just a few previews. Huge regret.

Don't be, r34. I worked on that show. I don't know what was going on with her, but it was painful to watch.

She was so sweet.

Barry Williams in Tea At Five!

Barry Williams IS Hepburn!

Barry is suitable for any occasion...

[quote]A great one woman show from that time was TEA AT FIVE with Kate Mulgrew as Katharine Hepburn, in her 20s and declared Box Office Poison in Act I and in her dotage in Act II.

You're right that Mulgrew was a tour de force, r43, but I'll respectfully disagree that it was a great show. Matthew Lombardo chooses extraordinary women for his mediocre at best plays. They elevate the material.

Then there was Valerie Harper, who recreated Tallulah Bankhead flawlessly in LOOPED (and Lombardo sued her for dropping out when she had cancer).

A huge fail of his was HIGH, with Kathleen Turner. It was terrible with raisins. The director let Turner loose, and she was a massive scenery chewer. It was a complete disaster. Its sole saving grace was a nude Evan... somebody.

It closed the week it opened. It ran at 20% capacity, and that included comps. Michael Beresse played a priest! and Turner played a nun. Beresse left the production before it went to Broadway.

Harper in LOOPED

With Dino Fetscher as Mary's Tutor in London, who cares who's playing Mary??

Maybe I'll fly over there and see it again? And actually enjoy it.

[quote]You're right that Mulgrew was a tour de force, [R43], but I'll respectfully disagree that it was a great show. Matthew Lombardo chooses extraordinary women for his mediocre at best plays. They elevate the material.

Agreed 100 percent. And the writing of TEA AT FIVE was only good in Act II, not in Act I, though as you say, Mulgrew elevated all of it.

And I think most of Act II was lifted directly from Hepburn's late in life interviews.....

Nevertheless, it made for a fun night if theatre.

I saw Helen Gallagher play Tallulah in Bucks County one summer. Painful.

Barry Williams in a splashy revival of MARLENE!

BD WONG HAS SPOKEN!!!!

It’s really too bad that there’s no such thing as an earned standing ovation on Broadway anymore. It was so cool when you were in the show and got one.

RIP

It’s interesting that the person playing Mary in London is a male to female trans lesbian!

(If you check out the instagram)

Is that a first?

I find the Barry Williams posts entertaining (at times), but can we all pause for a time and tattle on Patricia Routledge? A grand dame of the British stage and screen, she's DEAD to me at age 96.

She had her time on Broadway too you know...

Saw RAGTIME last night, a bit reluctantly since the show has always left me cold. And I hadn't much confidence in Ms. de Bossenet (I didn't see the Encores! version). Head spun. It's a superb production, expertly directed, and brilliantly cast. Joshua Henry and Brandon Uranowitz are Tony-worthy, and the technical aspects are aces. It's still too long (why the baseball number?), but it's gripping throughout. Not surprisingly, the audience, made up of lots of eager beaver theater geeks (who else would give Shaina Taub entrance applause?) was prepped to like it, but this kind of enthusiasm for the show can't be forced. Still don't think it's a "great musical," (although the opening number is one of the greatest, imho, wonderfully served here), but it's a great production. I'll go back.

Lombardo seems like a big Muscle MARY! who thinks peppering a script with a little gay tinged gossip and chatter maketh a good show.

R67, do you have any idea why you loved this production when "the show has always left you cold?" How many previous productions did you see? If you only saw the original production at what was then called the Ford Center, maybe the problem was that many people felt/feel that theater is too huge for an kind of emotional involvement in what's going on onstage.

P.S. I can see why you think the baseball number is superfluous, but I assume it's there because the show's creators felt they needed a bit of lightness in the increasingly dark second act.

The baseball number is actually important. Father is a flawed but decent man who puts faith in his society and justice system, only to see it prove entering false. He starts out as an adventurer, comes home to find he doesn’t understand his family, takes his son to a ball game and realizes he is even more out of tune, and then delivers Coalhouse to be murdered.

Colin Donnell gave a flat performance at City Center. But the simplicity of the book’s line after Coalhouse is shot has stuck with me for many years: “Father screamed.”

I’m not r67, but the problem I have with Ragtime is that it has too many power ballads. I know when they ran the first tour, they slimmed it down by cutting “He Wanted To Say.” I think also the scope of the story is too broad, as in too many characters to keep up with.

Patricia Routledge was the crown jewel in Shakespeare in the Park’s starry production of The Pirates of Penzance.

[quote]it has too many power ballads

That's un-possible!

Say what you will about "Ragtime" (which is one of my all-time favorite shows; I saw the pre-Broadway run in LA and the 2010 revival in NY as well as a few regional productions) but the musical does a FAR better job of adhering to the novel than the movie did. The film version focused mostly on the Coalhouse storyline, to the detriment of the other two major stories. The musical is far more balanced.

Barry Williams is matinee Booker T. Washington!

[quote]The musical is far more balanced.

And long.

gah, I saw a production of Ragtime at Barrington Stage in Pittsfield which was so bad. just so bad. i have no interest in spending a lot money to try the show again. Father was played by former DL-fave, David Harris. He was good in the show, but the production was a-w-f-u-l.

Now, the planned Patricia Routledge and Barry Williams “Frankie & Johnny ….” won’t happen.

R16 I've heard this joke told elsewhere (maybe by Elaine, I don't remember) where it was "As the *one-legged* prostitute once said...", which makes much more sense.

R16, it’s easier to lie on your back than go up and down the stairs (to and from the street, with each new …”customer”).

Virgo, R16?

[quote]I’m not [R67], but the problem I have with Ragtime is that it has too many power ballads. I know when they ran the first tour, they slimmed it down by cutting “He Wanted To Say.” I think also the scope of the story is too broad, as in too many characters to keep up with.

Your first criticism is valid, and has been voiced by other people, but I don't agree with the second.

r67, here. I understand about needing to lighten the mood, but I was eager to follow the trajectory of the Coalhouse story. And it was already late. If the song was better, that would help, but this one is pretty lame. Although nicely staged. To each their own.

Damn. I was so looking forward to that R78.

Didn’t the reliably reactionary Ethan Mordden hate Ragtime because he felt it glorified terrorism?

I was kind of looking forward to seeing Patricia and Barry in I Do! I Do!

I wonder what Company rehearsals were like with Dean Jones and Elaine Stritch? Was he a Christian at that point in his career?

The Barry Williams thing was funny, but some of you really need to learn how not to fuck a mildly amusing joke into the ground.

I believe the breakdown that precipitated his leaving the production is what turned him into a Jesus-peddler.

I assume Elaine behaved herself somewhat with Company, r86. Hal gave her a chance to reboot her career and she knew it.

And wasn't Company a big comeback for Elaine after several years in London and bartending t Elaine's (the other Elaine)??

I think the awful self-indulgent misbehavior began after her enormous success with Company.

Elaine: Hey, Dean! Did you hear the one about the one legged prostitute?

Dean: Elaine, I’m on the phone with the Walt Disney film division.

Elaine: Tell them Lansbury’s gonna suck in Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

[quote]How do I have *zero* memory of that, [R36]?

I actually saw the David Merrick all black production of "Oh, Kay" and have almost zero memory of it. I do remember Brian Stokes Mitchell was in it (as Brian Mitchell) and that it wasn't very good.

R87 Thank you. Was about to say the same thing.

Just announced! Barry Williams in The Patricia Routledge Story!

Dead horse beating is Datalounge's favorite sport, R93.

Li-sha

I like blue

So young

Let's be

So all productions of "Oh, Mary" must have "trans" actors cast in them and if you are white, you have to be "queer", or "non-binary"?

Seems like schtick, no?

Sometimes the gender bending is written into the role. I think you have to let the material settle in with audiences for a few years before you start shaking things up that way. We now get men playing Lady Bracknell and women playing Hedwig. The material has already proven itself, so it survives and audiences get a new point of view. Give Oh, Mary a few years to become a known property, and then the casting directors can have at it all they want.

R96. Really?

What am I, chopped liver?

no Betty, you're still Betty Gilpin... who is Chopped Liver?

Is Chopped Liver the next RPDR queen to hit the Broadway stage?

I had to look up Betty Gilpin. Didn't help.

I don't thing I read *anything* about Gilpin's performance.

[quote]Sometimes the gender bending is written into the role. I think you have to let the material settle in with audiences for a few years before you start shaking things up that way. We now get men playing Lady Bracknell and women playing Hedwig. The material has already proven itself, so it survives and audiences get a new point of view. Give Oh, Mary a few years to become a known property, and then the casting directors can have at it all they want.

Isn't it written into contracts that Edna Turnblad has to be played by a man?

[quote]Seems like schtick, no?

No.

[quote]A great one woman show from that time was TEA AT FIVE with Kate Mulgrew as Katharine Hepburn, in her 20s and declared Box Office Poison in Act I and in her dotage in Act II.

Wouldn't this be a great revival some day ? With just the right actress playing Hepburn...Faye Dunaway, perhaps ? Let's try to make this happen !

I see your point, R82, and I tend to agree the cutting the baseball number would probably improve RAGTIME, because lightening the mood at that point is not as important as getting on with the story.

And getting out of the theater.

As far as one-woman shows on Broadway in the last 25 years, one show which did not make it to B'way was "Diahann Carroll: The Lady. The Music. The Legend." Similar to Lena Horne's one-woman show which ran on Broadway for over a year (1981-82) and then had a successful road tour, Carroll's show was also a reflection on her 50+ year career, while she sung tunes by Rodgers and Porter. The show premiered in Palm Springs in July, 2010 and ended after two performances (the best of each night was edited together to be broadcast on PBS a few months later).

When the show wasn't picked up by investors to tour and eventually land on Broadway, Carroll insisted that was never the plan - she wanted to do this concert for PBS so her 'grandchildren would appreciate her legacy '. However, sources involved with the production had said the show wasn't ready to tour and not even close to being B'way-worthy for the upcoming season. (Sounds like the troubles Dolly Parton is having with her B'way musical today).

Faye's Tea At Five was only Act 2 which ran under an hour. They should have cast a younger actress for Act 1 and given the audience the whole play.

[quote]They should have cast a younger actress for Act 1

LoL

Did someone mention Younger?

Or youngest?

Ruth Younger?

r98, I did remember Jane Krakowski was stepping in, but having seen her entire bag of tricks over decades I can tell how she'll play it....the same way she plays everything!

I think she does not have the chops for this, but I'd love to be wrong. Maybe she'll kill it?

Break a leg Jane Krakowski!

And an arm and a neck and a spine.

When I first went to see Pirates of Penzance in the park when I was very young I had no idea who Patricia Rutledge was. After the performance I was like who the hell is this person that I've never heard of.

I went back to see it a second time. 0ne of the most joyous experiences I've ever had in the theater. Too bad when it moved to Broadway she wasn't in it and they put it in an airplane hangar otherwise known as the Gershwin. 0r as Frank Rich put it when they named it that the Gershwins got the booby prize.

[quote]Too bad when it moved to Broadway she wasn't in it

She went back to London to be in the original cast of Noises Off. What a career!

Wasn't expecting Jane Krakowski hate. I unapologetically adore her -- both her TV work and her theatre performances. She's one of those broads with... all the right screws loose.

Krakowski’s apparently singing and dancing her ass off in the Schwarzenegger Santa movie The Man With the Bag but Amazon-MGM are holding it back for NEXT holiday season, not this one. And it wrapped in February.

Shaina Taub is wildly untalented. And a meskite.

Notwithstanding the fact she gets a free pass forever for Jenna Maroney, Krakowski was luminous - effortlessly so - in the recent London production of Here We Are.

I get frustrated by Krakowski’s limited range and her lack of nuance within that range. She was ok in Here We Are, but never felt like an actual human dealing with absurd circumstances. She was clearly mimicking Rachel Bay Jones, while all of the actors brought something different. Jones’ scene with the priest was the high point of the show. In London, it was just another stop on the road.

Never liked Krakowski on stage at all. She's always ACTING!

Cynthia Nixon certainly never liked Jane. Neither did Chita Rivera (according to her memoir)

I think it also says something that she had been nominated for 7 Emmys and never won.

That speaks to how her peers view her

Oooh! What did Cheets say about Jane?

I’ve loved Jane in everything I seen her in onstage-from Grand Hotel to Nine

Jane certainly wouldn't be the first nor last actress who essentially plays a version of herself on stage.

Limited range but she knows how to work every bit of it.

[quote]A huge fail of his was HIGH, with Kathleen Turner....Its sole saving grace was a nude Evan... somebody.

Turn in your DL Gay card. That Evan was Evan Jonigkeit, the blushing groom to DL favorite (and Lena Dunham-adjacent) Zosia Mamet.

Evan Jonigkeit has BDF for days.

Tina Fey liked Jane Krakowski enough to give her a role vacated by one of her (TF's) best friends (30 ROCK) and to use her again in UNBREAKABLE KIMMY SCHMIDT.

I don't disagree about Krakowski's limited range, but she does seem to know her lane and stick to it. I did think that her NINE win was ludicrous -- I'd have voted for her costar Mary Stuart Masterson or perhaps Tammy Blanchard (GYPSY).

I've seen most of Jane Krakowski's work on stage and tv and in my opinion she plays every character like the "naughty-fake-innocent sexpot/kewpie doll" and it is beyond predictable. There's never much there there for my buck, all surface schtick and shimmy. It is that same Grand Hotel performance cut & pasted again and again.

Did she and Cheets spar backstage during Nine?

[quote]Tina Fey liked Jane Krakowski enough to give her a role vacated by one of her (TF's) best friends (30 ROCK)...

Tina Fey threw one of her (TF's) best friends overboard to give Jane Krakowski her role (30 ROCK)...

Once she saw that she got away with it and that the suits and the public accepted what Jane offered, Tina saw which side of the bread the butter was on. Tina has always been a producer who acts a little rather than an actress who produces a little.

It was Jane’s success on 30 Rock that solidified that schtick for everything that followed

R124 - from A to B.

Nothin' wrong with shtick.

[quote]'ve seen most of Jane Krakowski's work on stage and tv and in my opinion she plays every character like the "naughty-fake-innocent sexpot/kewpie doll" and it is beyond predictable.

Copycat

Chita wrote in her memoir that whenever she had something bitchy to say, her alter ego would say it. When she wrote that Jane Krakowski won the Tony, she said her bitchy alter ego had a lot to say about that win and that someone else (she specifically mentions Laura Benanti) should have won instead of Jane.

R133 thanks for saying that. Tina did Rachel Dratch dirty on that front.

Krakowski is one of the more dishonest stage creatures out there. I never believe a word or gesture emanating from her.

[quote]Chita wrote in her memoir that whenever she had something bitchy to say, her alter ego would say it.

Was her alter ego named “Rita”?

[quote] Turn in your DL Gay card. That Evan was Evan Jonigkeit, the blushing groom to DL favorite (and Lena Dunham-adjacent) Zosia Mamet.

LENS Dunham, dear. LENS Dunham. That’s one point on your own DL Gay card.

Buh-bye, Barry ! This has now become the Jane Krakowski thread. Enter at your own risk.

I think Tina was forced to ditch Dratch because of the producers.

R140, a friend is convinced that Jane Krakowski has based every one of her performances on (get ready) Doris Singleton playing ‘Carolyn Appleby’ on “I Love Lucy”.

The affected speech pattern, the unmotivated gestures, the seeming to be in a different show than her castmates, and the overall phony baloneyness in her approach.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the comments here about Krakowski’s limitations/affectations. But I liked Jane very much in “Schmicago,” thought she really delivered what was required, amd she generally does when cast within her range.

I like Jane K. She does seem to play a similar character every time but so does so many actors. She finds roles that fit her and I enjoy her

R146, how dare you besmirch the rep of the divine Doris Singleton! She was a lovely little spice on ILL, added to the recipe sparingly and effectively.

And Sutton is *so* versatile.

Has anyone seen Sutton in concert? Any good?

Now Ethel Merman, she had versatility! And Liza Minnelli, why so many performances I didn’t even realize it was her!

Only on the DL would you find trolls who hate adorable Jane Krakowski.

I mean...she's Jane Krakowski! She gets the job done!

As for limited range...all actors have their 'range' and I wouldn't call Jane's range that small.

You know who has a small range...DeNiro. He's very good in that small range but...it's still not very broad.

Jane would make a fabulous Baby Jane Hudson.

Jane Krakowski seems to only play characters who are selling themselves. I love her, but her characters are always “on”. I don’t remember seeing vulnerability from her ever.

I think she does what she does very well. But I couldn’t see her playing a character with any depth

Jane as Mame!!

Will Broadway dim their lights for Patricia Routledge?

Jane Krakowski has a small range but her refrigerator is HUGE.

Jane did a lovely version of “My Funny Valentine” on some PBS Rodgers and Hart TV special. She showed lots of vulnerability singing that song.

She was adorable as TR (Theresa Regina) on the defunct NBC daytime soap Search for Tomorrow aka Search for Your Asshole. She was this adorable blonde butterball, not a typical soap type per se but still cute,

R7, what are you talking about when you say "At Liberty was taped for HBO but they realized it was unairable"? The video of ELAINE STRITCH AT LIBERTY was commercially released. The HBO blend of excerpts with "behind the scenes" moments was unsatisfying to say the least.

Let's see... How about Jane Krakowski and Barry Williams in:

I Do! I Do!

The Last Five Years

Marry Me a Little

They're Playing My Song

John and Jen

And they could be joined by James Corden for a slap-up production of tick... tick... BOOM!

[quote]Jane did a lovely version of “My Funny Valentine” on some PBS Rodgers and Hart TV special. She showed lots of vulnerability singing that song.

She also had some lovely, vulnerable moments in NINE when she sang her goodbye song to Guido. Some people here are being very unfair and bitchy towards Jane. Of course, she has her bag of tricks like SO MANY actors do, but she is a good enough actress that her range is a lot broader than some of you people are making it out to be.

Wasn’t Jane going out with Mike Liddell, the MyPillow guy?

I just both tickets to Chess for the day before Thanksgiving.

I hope everyone is in because tickets are far cheaper than any other days

^both = bought

I love when chubby teen age Jane pops up as the babysitter in Fatal Attraction.

Only on the DL would you find trolls who hate adorable Jane Krakowski.

Did you see all the shit they threw at the unassailable Jean Smart, r153? I don't understand people who thrive on snark.

[quote]Jane Krakowski seems to only play characters who are selling themselves. I love her, but her characters are always “on”. I don’t remember seeing vulnerability from her ever.

Then you saw neither Grand Hotel nor Mack and Mabel, r155.

[quote{Shaina Taub is wildly untalented. And a meskite.

To be fair, the woman she’s portraying, Emma Goldman, wasn’t much of a looker.

Jane and Barry for the first Broadway revival of Life With Father (at one point Broadway ‘s longest running play).

Jane turned down Chicago both in NYC and the West End numerous times

I don't blame her, r172.

Was there a role on Broadway Jane would have been good in besides Nine?

The only thing I could think of is she might have been a good wife in the latest revival of Into the Woods opposite Cheyenne.

The work together a lot and he is able to put up with her.

I’d see Chicago with Jane

Jane can revive 'Call Me Izzy' in a few years !

Or star in another revival of 'Hello Dolly' in 2029 (the 65th anniversary revival)...opposite Barry Williams. Rachel Dratch for Irene Molloy.

Jane is more of a witch than a bakers wife.

[quote] Let's see... How about Jane Krakowski and Barry Williams in:

Lay off it. You're going to chafe.

[quote] Will Broadway dim their lights for Patricia Routledge?

Aren't they doing that participation trophy nonsense where they dim quarterly from everybody who has died in that period? Or was that just a proposal?

r151, I saw Sutton Foster in concert this summer with Kelli O'Hara at Tanglewood.

Not really a great fan of either one but my friends love KOH so I thought, well, maybe I'll finally get a chance to see what all the fuss is about.

Well, no. Both were as dull as can be and their "patter" was particularly tepid and unfunny. Sutton looked (and danced) horsey (performing Anything Goes and Big D). IIRC there was no director listed. They really needed one. I was, at least hoping to run into Hugh Jackman on the grounds but, alas, no. Again.

I thought Kelli O and Sutton didn't speak! Did they mend their fences?

I listened to the Devil Wears Prada cast recording today. Meh. One lively number called Dress Your Way Up which sounds like something from Kinky Boots and one fun number House of Miranda. Lots of screeching but what else is new. Very bland. If they do bring it to Broadway they should open around the time the sequel hits movie theaters.

Jane "dates" closeted David Rockwell.

[quote] a friend is convinced that Jane Krakowski has based every one of her performances on (get ready) Doris Singleton playing ‘Carolyn Appleby’ on “I Love Lucy”.

Yes, except for Starlight Express where she based her performance on Lillian Appleby.

[quote]And Liza Minnelli, why so many performances I didn’t even realize it was her!

Pookie Adams in The Sterile Cuckoo

Sally Bowles in Cabaret

Lucille Austero in Arrested Development

I think Liza has nothing to prove as far as versatility.

[quote]where she based her performance on Lillian Appleby.

There's actually a show in the "Hollywood" episode where Ricky refers to her as Lillian Appleby, and this is long after she'd been changed to Carolyn.

I was walking downtown this afternoon and Daniel Radcliffe walked past me. He appeared to be just out for a leisurely walk -- alone, wearing a t-shirt, shorts, a baseball cap and listening to airpods. Though I've seen him on stage a number of times (including most recently in "Merrily"), it was a bit jarring to look over and see him just a few inches away from me. And yes, even when looking somewhat grungy, he's still just adorable.

[quote]he's still just adorable

I can't imagine the restraint it took to not pinch his cheek.

Don't understand the Jane Krakowski hate. She's fantastic, a master of timing.

But some DLers seem to have a bug up their ass about certain female stars (to join the bug they got up their ass years ago).

I remember that on the SNL threads, there was someone who would rail on about how Maya Rudolph had no talent and was the worst comic actress ever to walk onto that stage and back onto earth. Week after week, obsessively. I wonder if they've reassessed that position after years of being subjected to Heidi Gardner, Sarah Sherman, Molly Kearney, and Jane Wickline. Probably not.

R186, the prop postcard used on the show is addressed to Lillian Appleby.

Lillian Appleby was a whore. She never really knew who little Stevie's father actually was.

Radcliffe is doing a play this Spring on Broadway.

M&M

Person to Person with Carol...and husband.

I thought Jane Krakowski based her performances on the waitstaff of Apples and Bees

"I can't imagine the restraint it took to not pinch his cheek."

Face, or ass?

R189 I'm not the Maya Rudolph hater but...

I'm not a fan either.

Wasn't that a huge mistake that it was addressed to Lillian? She only had that name for one or two episodes before becoming permanently Carolyn (including in the famous "Lucy Tells the Truth" episode).

Were Lucy and Desi too busy otherwise to remember Lillian was now Carolyn and just didn't catch the error?

I'm sure that old queen Van Johnson in this episode was driving them crazy with asks and demands and they missed this detail!

I'm with you, R189. Jane Krakowski is a total delight. I've only seen her on stage twice -- She Loves Me and Guys & Dolls (in London) and she was marvelous both times. And she was comedic GOLD in 30 Rock. I love love love Rachel Dratch but Tina and NBC 100% made the right decision in replacing her with Krakowski.

[quote]A huge fail of [Matthew Lombardo's] was HIGH, with Kathleen Turner....Its sole saving grace was a nude Evan... somebody. - r57

Turn in your DL Gay card. That Evan was Evan Jonigkeit, the blushing groom to DL favorite (and Lena Dunham-adjacent) Zosia Mamet.

My gay card is yours, r129. I don't use it much these days anyway. It seems a little harsh, though. I was mostly having an eldergeigh moment. I would have thought my larger error was misspelling Michael Berresse's name - twice.

Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.

Show hole, of course.

Let me try that again.

[quote]A huge fail of [Matthew Lombardo's] was HIGH, with Kathleen Turner....Its sole saving grace was a nude Evan... somebody. - [R57]

[quote]Turn in your DL Gay card. That Evan was Evan Jonigkeit, the blushing groom to DL favorite (and Lena Dunham-adjacent) Zosia Mamet.

My gay card is yours, [R129]. I don't use it much these days anyway. It seems a little harsh, though. I was mostly having an eldergeigh moment. I would have thought my larger error was misspelling Michael Berresse's name - twice.

Forgive me Father, for I have sinned.

—Now, what must I do to atone?

[quote]Show hole, of course —Duh.

You did see my free confession that I'm an eldergeigh, right?

Your shame will be The Datalounge's gain, r203.

I had no idea that Krakowski, unlike Audra McDonald or Bernadette Peters or Kelli O’Hara, had a Datalounge pass. Mediocrity always finds its champions.

This is so fucking dumb. Krakowski is not mediocre.

She was a cute Mabel, just wish she'd worn a brunette wig to look more like the real Mabel.

Yes, I know I'm old. Though born long after the real Mabel died.

R199, Van Johnson wasn't in the episode with the post card. That was the one where Lucy fucks up the scene wearing the giant headdress. Not surprisingly, she tried to recreate the scene in Mame. Van Johnson's episode had Lucy storming in the room saying "Caroline Appleby's coming to town".

R189, gays compare their divas and Maya really was second rate compared to Mad TV's Debra Wilson who was a comedic genius. Their Whitney's weren't even comparable.

For the sake of accuracy, the husband with Channing above is not the gay one. This was her second, Alex Carson, a Canadian footballer, ostensibly straight. Courts severed his ties with the son for "abandonment." Channing married Lowe and she later said he never fucked her.

[quote]Yes, I know I'm old. Though born long after the real Mabel died.

Sure, Jan.

That Rachel Zegler/Ramin Karimloo "Move On" duet is fantastic.

Reddit's Nicest and rudest Broadway actor. Not much dirt here but still fun. I liked this dig at Laura Osnes: Rudest Laura osnes. She came over with Jackie burns( who was wonderful) for an event and clearly didn't want to be there. She eye rolled anyone who asked for a photo. Just leave another way if you don't want to

[quote] Don't understand the Jane Krakowski hate.

Clearly you’ve never worked with her.

Jane is basically Sarah Jessica Parker 2.0, down to the kewpie/sexpot act.

Same queens who rave over Lea Michele find Jane AMAZING.

It's been done before kids, and better.

Piss off, R215. Jane Krakowski is very talented, aside from her great beauty.

SJP does a kewpie act?

And, Jane Krakowski and SJP are not alike at all.

Lea Michele isn't particularly a favorite of mine. I do enjoy Jane a lot and SJP when when she was young...she started losing her appeal starting with Season 5 of SATC or so.

If you want to talk great, underused talent start with Alice Ripley.

Not MOR treacle.

I’ve started several posts about Kelli O’Hara but have fallen asleep every time. She’s THAT dul—zzzzzzzzz

R210 speaking of, that footage has disappeared from the internet. In 1998 Channing sued Lowe for divorce, alleging he was gay and also mishandled her money, but he died in 1999 before the suit went forward. Carol went on several morning shows where they asked to her face, and she affirmed, that she and Lowe had penetrative sex only twice in their marriage and that he abused her physically. It was bizarre because it was a totally different topic for Channing to be talking about, when most of her morning show appearances she's in heavy plugging mode for whatever show she was in: the last Dolly, Legends, Sugar Babies, Lorelei.

Lowe's name is nowhere to be found in her memoir.

It tells you everything you need to know about the abysmal taste on the DL that Patti LuPone can do no wrong, but Kelli O'Hara is boring.

Amen, R221 :-)

My god those Reddit posts about the nicest Broadway actors was the most boring thing I've read in years. First of all, it's mostly about stage door encounters, which is not the exactly the most genuine or natural way to spend time with people.

Just try doing a quick change with some of them.

r143, DL "revered" mis-typing has no legitimate affect on Gay Card scorekeeping.

WHET?

BEARKING?

LOLZ

R221 Are you new here? Patti is CONSTANTLY getting raked over the coals here. Some of which she deserves.

But, yeah, Kelli O'Hara is pretty boring. Gorgeous singer but a tad bland.

Not as bland as the ghastly Sutton Foster but what is?

Floor wax?

Cellophane lint?

Unflavored gum?

SOME?????!!!

Patti Lupone hadn’t acted in decades. She always plays parts the sane way. She attacks songs. She has no nuance, no humor, and some of the shittiest diction in Broadway history. She’s also a grad A cunt. And not in the fun way we revere here at DL.

She’s a miserable pile of gorgon shit.

Sutton sucks.

I saw the CSC "Mother Courage" and it was a congealed mess.

There are many, many directors you shouldn't trust with Brecht, and Brian Kulick is certainly one of them. Tonya Pinkins phoned it in for the most part.

It wasn't "Moose Murders" by a long shot. Just...misguided and dull.

I was not a huge fan of Kelli O’Hara until Bridges. I saw Elena Shaddow at Williamstown, and was expecting O’Hara to be miscast and out of her depth. It was one of the most stunning performances I’ve seen, and I’m eagerly attending the reunion concert in December.

R226, I guess you didn’t see Patti in the recent “Company” revival where she was an energetic part of the ensemble, moving scenery and props with the rest of the (younger) cast, enunciated every word she sang (she took the justified criticisms to heart and improved) and really acted the shit out of “Ladies Who Lunch,” a perfect 11 O’clock number that stopped the show.

They don’t just hand out Tony awards for showing up. She showed up and DELIVERED. More than you can say about some Broadway names.

Jane Krakowski was terrific in Schmigadoon, but it’s a Broadway farce, so there you go.