Israeli- Palestine Peace Plan

Link to 20 point peace agreement

Not Nobel worthy but still worthy

Palestine is now recognized in Europe.

It looks ok. But I doubt Hamas will accept.

Hamas wont accept it, every point is in Israel's favor. It's capitulation. And Netanyahu wouldn't honor it anyway - in statements made in Hebrew to his domestic audience, he has publicly walked back key components of the deal.

Dump will do anything to get that Nobel.

I see that ret Col. Douglas Macgregor agrees with me (@ 0:02:00)

Israel broke the last agreement. When the point is to annex Palestinian lands, this peace plan makes no sense

This is Netanyahu's plan, not Trump's, and fuck Israel.

Does Dump and Company get the 24 miles of prime Gaza beachfront?

It's not a "peace plan." It's a demand for a surrender.

And it's not going to get a Nobel Peace Prize.

Ireland will hate that. We'll have nothing to talk about 😂

[quote]The problem is one side will inevitably break the agreement and was will continue

You can go ahead and state plainly that the Palestinian terrorists will inevitably break the agreement.

[quote]Hamas wont accept it, every point is in Israel's favor.

[quote]It's a demand for a surrender.

The agreement should be ratified by the Palestinian people with a plebiscite. I saw a news clip this week with a reporter interviewing common Palestinians in Gaza and they said they are ready to give up, which of course is necessary for a peace plan.

[Quote] You can go ahead and state plainly that the Palestinian terrorists will inevitably break the agreement.

Israel constantly breaks the peace plans too

R14 Starvation, mass murder and genocide has that effect on a population I suppose

Estimates are that Israelis have murdered over 1/5 of the Palestinians in Gaza so far. (600,000 +)

There will never be peace there for several reasons: islam is profoundly anti-Jewish and has been since their prophet raped, enslaved and slaughtered a Jewish tribe, the fact that Jews are thriving is an affront to the need for islamic supremacy by many muslims, once a land has been islamized it must remain islamic. Any treaties signed are temporary until muslims are strong enough to attack, this has been true since their prophet.

Zionists live in such a crazy fantasy world

R17 states that there are several reasons this won't work and then only offers one: Muslims are the problem here.

[quote] [R17] states that there are several reasons this won't work and then only offers one:

With Palestinian terrorists guaranteed to sink it, do you need any more?

R16 reporting from the Hamas News Network

"Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party."

Israel has blocked all UN agencies from Gaza and will not agree to this or any ISF (international stabilizing force).

Netanyahu will refuse this as well as other conditions, accept a few, and blame the Palestinians for the plan's failure.

True, R19, buy I think it's very important that the world understands why muslims behave the way they do and why they cannot and will never change.

- R17

You don’t even understand the basic issue here. It’s Israelis vs Arabs. Not Muslims

Both groups have lived there for thousands of years. Suddenly one says, this is our land and only ours—everyone else needs to leave.

What exactly would you do under those circumstances?

If I ran the world I'd give both sides toys to play with.

[quote] Israel has blocked all UN agencies from Gaza and will not agree to this or any ISF (international stabilizing force).

An international organization has done the Palestinians’ bidding and accused Israel and its leaders of genocide. Can you blame Israel for being wary now of international involvement? It will take a lot to be able to convince Israel that the international community will change its ways and stop always siding with the Palestinians.

[quote] It will take a lot to be able to convince Israel that the international community will change its ways and stop always siding with the Palestinians.

How about letting them in so they can support you?

[quote] Both groups have lived there for thousands of years. Suddenly one says, this is our land and only ours—everyone else needs to leave.

A fifth of Israel’s population is Arab. On the other hand, the Palestinians clearly want to eradicate the Jews in Israel, “from the river to the sea,” as they infamously declare their intention.

These dueling narratives are relentless. And at this point neither side can be trusted to act anything close to honorably. We all saw Hamas at their ugliest, most evil and most murderous in October 2023. We have all seen Israel acting with depraved inhumanity in their destruction of Gaza and its inhabitants.

I’ve spent almost two years caring about what happens in Israel/Palestine but I’m starting to check out.

When do they start building the Casinos and Trump Tower?

Not really true, R25. Muslims have been there only since the start of the islamic conquest. They invaded and captured Jerusalem in 636 CE. If you really want to know the truth about islamic history and the ongoing islamic conquest, check out Raymond Ibrahim on YouTube as a start.

r32, if by Muslims, you mean Saudi Arabs, that would be incorrect. Although the Saudis set out to conquer the world for Islam, the Arabian peninsula was sparsely populated. The army that set out from there would conquer an area, convert (either peaceably or forcibly) the natives and then move along to the next destination, because it didn't have nearly the numbers to settle all these regions. Even in Biblical times, the area we now know as Israel, was home to many many tribes. Canaanites, Druze, Samaritans, Edomites, Moabites, Phoenicians, Nabateans, etc. The Jews were only dominant in one small portion of the area, identified as Judea. (The area immediately surrounding Jerusalem). The Jews were dispersed by the Romans. Even though some Jews remained in the land, the largest portion of them began living in exile in other parts of the world. Many of the other tribes who remained were converted to Islam when the Saudi army invaded. Others converted to Christianity. Arabic replaced Aramaic as the dominant language. Eventually, some nomadic Arab tribes also moved into the area. All of those groups fall under the heading of Palestinian. In fact, like the Lebanese, a significant proportion of Palestinians were Christian, but many of them fled after the 1948 war. with Israel.

PS Israel's policies have always been anti-Palestinian, so this is not a purely Jew vs Muslim conflict. The Palestinian Christians are also caught up in all the conflicts and also share in the general feeling among Palestinians that the Israeli efforts to claim the entire land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean is unjust and not supported by the history of the region.

Sadly we're to the point that Israel doesn't believe that Palestinians have a right to exist on the land, and many if not most Palestinians don't believe that Jews have a right to live on the land. I don't have much hope in this peace plan, but I still wish for its success.

The Jews have no place else to go where they can live in peace and with self-determination. They were treated badly with numerous pogroms in the muslim world as well. Close to a million left muslim countries after 1948 because of violence.

The essential issue is that Jew hatred is rife in Islam, in the words and actions of their prophet. The end goal is and always has been the eradication of Israel and, perhaps, the Jewish people.

Actually, that is also incorrect. The Jews suffered pogroms under Christian nations, particularly Russia. They were generally protected in Muslim lands, albeit they had to pay an infidel tax. The Muslims say that Jews are people of "the Book". Mohammed learned from Jewish merchants in Saudi lands about monotheism, and the God of Israel. He renamed that God Allah, and considered the Jews to have had one of the most important prophets common to both religions, Moses.

However, as with all religious minorities living in a majority religion setting, rulers could and did foment anger in their populations against Jews at various times in various Muslim lands. All in all however, it was much safer to be a Jew in Muslim lands during the majority of the past thousand years, than it was for them in Christian lands. Only with the UN mandate giving Israel a large portion of Palestine, did the Muslim countries surrounding it declare war on Israel and attack it in the late 1940s. Since that time, Jewish-Muslim relations have been strained to say the least. I think that if there were no Palestinian question, the Muslims would still have a tolerance for Jews in their midst. But the Palestinian question is paramount for most Muslim people, since the majority of Palestinians are Muslim, with a few Christians thrown in for good measure. .

Historically, it was Muslim countries that took Jews in when they were expelled from the Europe.

It’s the conflict with Arabs in Palestine that made the issue Israelis vs Arabs. Non-Arab Muslim countries like Turkey and Iran always had good relationships with Israel.

Only recently, has it expanded to Muslims vs Jews—but that’s not really correct. It’s just easy for those who won’t delve into the complexities

Oops. There goes the Nobel Peace Prize…

Israel strikes Gaza after Trump calls for stop to bombing

The attacks came after Hamas said it has agreed to release all Israeli hostages and expressed willingness to negotiate through mediators on President Donald Trump’s peace plan.

Notice no Arab countries are willing to fight Israel to support Hamas.

Just because they’re Arab, doesn’t mean they are the same.

Lumping them together as some force never made sense.

[Quote] Israel strikes Gaza after Trump calls for stop to bombing

Hilarious how Bibi is just playing with Trump

[Quote] An international organization has done the Palestinians’ bidding and accused Israel and its leaders of genocide. Can you blame Israel for being wary now of international involvement? It will take a lot to be able to convince Israel that the international community will change its ways and stop always siding with the Palestinians.

That’s always Israel’s excuse. “They’re against us! They love Hamas!”

While it’s true that Palestinians are linguistically and culturally Arabic, they are the descendants of various ancient Levantine peoples. Yes, they are largely Muslim due to conversions during the Arab-Islamic conquests after the 7th Century, but their genetic and cultural roots to the place go back thousands of years.

Jews also have significant genetic links to the Levant - most especially the Mizrahi Jews, the descendants of Jews who never left the Middle East after the exile. Sephardic Jews, who moved west and ended up in Spain and North Africa, follow them closely. Ashkenazi Jews have considerable European admixtures in maternal lineage - I think from the largely male Jewish populations that ended up in and around Rome intermarrying with local women before migrating again further north to settle in France/Germany to become the very endogamous, Yiddish-speaking cultural group that most North American Jews are descended from.

How can you have Peace when you just obliterated every building and infrastructure- killed, maimed, starved and terrorized your opponent?

The only way forward is Bibi & The Dark Forces' original plan: The Israeli Riviera and it's crown jewel: Trump Resort & Casino. Any survivors will have to be deported.

R35, yes, Jews were treated generally better under Islam but it varied widely in place and time. They were subject to dhimmi status and pogroms were quite common, there were several notorious ones in Jerusalem and Hebron in the 1920s and 30s.

It doesn't bode well for Jews or any non-muslim that mohammade massacred a Jewish tribe, raping and enslaving the women and children, of course. Nor does it bode well that there is much Jew hatred and incitement to violence and murder in the koran and other islamic foundational texts.

Your interpretation of history and Islam is not quite accurate and is quite naive. Even today, muslims are committing a horrendous amount of murder and violence around the globe as they scream their allah is greatest.

Israelis and Palestinians are Exactly the same genetically. They are the same people

Many American Jews sharply critical of Israel on Gaza, Post poll finds

Many American Jews sharply disapprove of Israel’s conduct of the war in Gaza, with 61 percent saying Israel has committed war crimes and about 4 in 10 saying the country is guilty of genocide against the Palestinians, according to a Washington Post poll. The findings are striking given the long-standing ties between the U.S. Jewish community and Israel, suggesting the potential for a historic breach over the Gaza war. Two years after Hamas militants poured into Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, killing some 1,200 people and taking 250 hostage, Israel’s retaliatory incursion has killed more than 66,000 Palestinians, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, displaced many more, and led to widespread hunger in the territory.

American Jews are particularly unhappy with the current Israeli government. Sixty-eight percent give negative marks to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s leadership of Israel, with 48 percent rating it “poor” — a 20-percentage-point jump from a Pew Research Center poll five years ago. But Jews also overwhelmingly blame Hamas, with 94 percent saying Hamas has committed war crimes against Israelis.

WaPo so can’t link

[Quote] The only way forward is Bibi & The Dark Forces' original plan: The Israeli Riviera and it's crown jewel: Trump Resort & Casino. Any survivors will have to be deported.

Arabs can hold a grudge for thousands of years. This wouldn’t be the end; it would just be the beginning

I’d be angry too if someone wanted to take my beach property and make it a resort location. NO, a resort isn’t always an improvement

The UN needs to send both nations to their rooms for say, 1500 years.

[quote]endogamous

Thank you for the new word, r42.