Madonna makes her first podcast appearance

I don't see clips in that link, OP?

Full podcast:

The work has settled in a bit. It’s still jarring, but not as bad as it was.

In the OPs pic I also see Faye Dunaway and Hilary Duff both of them played Bonnie Parker

She's starting to sound like Liza with those veneers.

The miracle of filters.

I love how aggrieved she sounds in the interview.

I also love when she says she got into kabbalah when "none of my friends were into it," when of course we all know she got into kabbalah because her best friend at the time Sandra Bernhard was into it,.

so what's her soul's purpose. someone's gonna need to tell me here because im not listening to her

I wonder why she never got her teeth fixed. They weren't bad, just a front gap which can be cool. I only wonder why she didn't get them fixed because she's always worn grills so she must want them covered up.

It’s funny OP mentioned Courtney Love because that’s who she looked like in the recent photoshoot promoting the new album.

I’ve always felt they were both similar people but opposite sides of the same coin and the older they get, the more parallels you can see in terms of their natural style.

They’re both dyed blonde attention whores with a passion for art and its history and put it in their work.

Madonna feels so behind culturally now, which is crazy when you think about who she used to be.

She just launched this dull podcast, and it drives home how far she’s fallen from being the cutting edge of media. Back in the day, everything she did was meticulously controlled; every photo, every performance, every controversy was a statement. She thrived in an era where mystique and strategy made you larger than life.

But in the age of social media, where culture is shaped by speed, spontaneity, and authenticity, she’s completely shattered. The game today is about striking the right balance between being raw and being calculated, and she’s never figured out how to adapt. The woman who once set the agenda now feels like she’s constantly chasing it, and that disconnect is jarring.

She’s so out of touch with this female Bono image she’s tried to cultivate over the last 2 decades. Bono has disappeared and is not relevant anymore because the industry publicity machine has changed?

And when I mean Bono I mean “millionaire humanitarian” that was a popular image in the 90s and 2000s. Maybe it started with Elizabeth Taylor.

But those days are long gone.

Also watching this

The lighting setup is taking me out 😂😂😂😂

The light on him is shadowed and noir and she’s lit up to Faye Dunaway perfection. The contrast is so painful and hilarious.

R13 - There are times when he moves his arms/hands forward and you can see that there is a some kind of "double layering" going on with this video setup; his hands disappear behind it.

She has always sat soooo awkwardly still during interviews...like she's being thwarted internally somehow. I remember thinking that even on Johnny Carson.

What's most interesting is that for over 2 decades her whole life has been guided by Kabbalah. And this deep faith and spiritual devotion always leads her to the same goal: thick, black, juicy, youthful cock.

R11...I'll give you your "culrure is shaped by speed and spontaneity..." through social media claim, but not authenticity. I think the intriguing aspect of social media is people's swiftness with speed and spontaneity in being profoundly inauthentic. I say profound because the degree & transparency of how posed & rehearsed social media content has become is commonly understood as fake but taken as being truthful. That's quite feat, having created that understanding between content creaters & content consumer. The rapid fire speed that new content is created is staggering, with most of it unproven, unfounded & totally performed.

And I'm not referring solely to politics, as many here would assume. Everything from creaters espousing their favorite deodorant to where they supposedy dine to, yes, their preferred political narrative. The relentless speed at which so much BS is produced--and with seemingly little thought--is fascinating.

r15: You reminded me of my favorite porn movie title: "KooKoo for Cocoa Cock".

Lady Bountiful makes sure to tell us she deigned to hold her brother Christopher's hand as he croaked, and she gently murmured, "I forgive you." Talk about the gates of hell...

What's interesting is that with Courtney's total abuse of drugs a alcohol, she looks better than Madonna. Better plastic surgery.

"Spirituality" is the means by which shallow people try to convince themselves that they're deep.

What is her new accent? I can’t get past 3 minutes. Her mask eyes, her voice. She looks empty. I’m uncomfortable.

And yet Courtney Love is looking now like those coroner photos of Kurt Cobain.

She looks so awkward and uncomfortable when her Kabbalah teacher enters the interview. She’s angled away from him, staring blankly into space, and looks like she’s almost frightened. Very bizarre body language.

R23 Courtney looks great, all things considered

[quote] What is her new accent?

"Affected."

"I feel that my children who hae a spiritual life are more happy than those who do not."

She's so shady and cunty.

She’s still hawking that Kabbalah shit from 25 years ago??

For the love of GOD, what insane live filter is she using on her face.

R19, you think this looks good?

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

R7, Madonna and Sandra fell out around 1992. Madonna became a Kabbalist after the birth of Loudes in 1996. She said she was introduced to the practice by the wife of a director.

Even when she's trying to be relatable, Madge still has no idea how condescending and pretentious she sounds sometimes. There were a handful of quotes in this that reflect it, but one I noted was something along the lines of: "I don't know if that makes sense to you or to anyone watching this, but it makes sense to me."

Not sure what to make of some of these expressions

r29, your link doesn't work.

She’s full-blown mentally ill. That place is a cult. Did I just hear her say that she’s not being interviewed to sell product and then is trying to sell a ridiculous online course? Her brain is totally fried.

The Kabbalah Center isn’t even teaching Kabbalah and this guys credentials are all fake. The entire place is a money laundering scheme. She’s like the last celebrity still involved with this shit. She comes across as incredibly stupid in this. She also seems unhappy. Thank god for all the music she made 30 and 40 years ago. Madonna died after Ray of Light. By 2000 she was totally brainwashed. Her 30 year old self would be mortified by this.

She’s wearing grillz!?

She says in another video for this online course that she picked up and left with her children to live in Portugal for a married man who refused to leave his wife and dumped her. She is really fucked in the head. She’s almost 70. No wonder her son ran.

Link please, R38.

R38 - Which son? Rocco?

I thought they were on good terms.

He ran from her 10 years ago, r40. He got the hell outta there.

Oh! Did not know that.

I do remember something where she flew from NY to London to go get him when he wouldn't leave his father's place for his court-ordered "time with the other parent" (as a minor). I had assumed things improved since then.

The video.

Did anyone else notice her slurring her words at points? She pronounced "surviving" as "survarving" and at times seemed to be struggling to speak.

Wow. I remember her characterizing that time as when she "moved to Portugal to be a soccer mom" (I think for David). And it's when she gained weight.

She went on Kelly Ripa's show and Anderson was there.

R44 - And it sounded like her voice was sped up, but that may have been just the transfer to FM upload.

No one can talk normally with those grillz!! She must use them to distract.

Do many Jews (religious or non-religious) take Kabbalah seriously? I know the origins of it are ancient, but this brand that Madge is hocking here seems like a New Age cult (my great-grandfather was half-Jewish, but I was not raised with any connection to it and my knowledge is cursory).

That video is also giving Cher and those Lori Davis hair infomercials.

No, r47. What she is being “taught” is not Kabbalah.

She reminds me of Nicole Sullivan of MAD TV in OP’s photo.

No disrespect intended to Ms. Sullivan.

She is more fucked up than anyone realized. It’s her Covid bathtub videos all over again. Doesn’t she have anyone advising her?

[quote] Do many Jews (religious or non-religious) take Kabbalah seriously?

I'll have you know many gay rent boys in West Hollywood take it VERY seriously!

She looks like a fat girl from the Midwest turned barmaid at a 1950s hobo tavern.

I once got into Kabbalah for the red string, and to feel closer to Madonna.

R9 James Brown never got his gap fixed because he believed it helped him take in more air to sing.

Wearing glasses to signal smartness and intelligence -how "Humoresque" of her...

Well she is 67, and when you're that age, you need glasses to read, even if you get lasik.

So she didn't move to Portugal for David after all.

Of course this is nothing but Madonna bashing. She’s been talking like this for well over 2 decades. Nothing she said was remotely bizarre or controversial. She’s saying she doesn’t want to fall into a self pitying trap and blame others for her misfortunes. Wow, so crazy!

While her unfiltered face looks fine, but she’s cooked her looks. She fucked with her face too much. Her sepsis two years ago likely caused her to swell up and stretch her skin, too, and cause elasticity issues. It also affected her voice as she had a tube down her throat. The grills are absolutely ridiculous and look terrible.

Otherwise, this was a nice interview. Y’all need to relax.

She looks good in OP's link.

R59, I agree. The only I really didn't like was the stupid grills.She needs to get rid of those! But the interview itself was very good. It was nice to hear her be sensitive and open about it.

She’s pushing a cult. She sounds deranged.

I haven’t watched this yet, but Madonna has always had a weird effect in her speech patterns and physicality. For as “free” as she’s always claimed to be, she’s very tightly wound. And I say this as a fan. Her endless effort to prove herself to some unknowable standard is unmatched. (Her dead mother, maybe?)

R62 You didn't listen to the interview. That's obvious. She says a lot of very general positive ideas.

If that's deranged in your eyes, then that says more about you than her.

R47 Hasidic Judaism was born out of the traditions of ancient Kabbalah in the 18th century. They are the only contemporary sect of Judaism that seriously incorporates its teachings as doctrine.

Plenty of other Jews though (including secular ones) dabble in elements of Jewish mysticism and folk magic, usually more so as a fun curiosity or hobby (not unlike astrology or tarot). "Jewitchery" is definitely a thing.

She's saying you need spirituality to ground you as in beliefs in universal truths. She's not necessarily pushing Kabballah. Her younger self still believed in a lot of Catholic ideals she just challenged the ones she disagreed with. She's been consistent on this her whole life.

If you block R62, half the thread disappears.

No, she doesn’t r64. And she’s a brainwashed loon.

From the Cult Education Institute.

The guy she’s with is a fraud, and the interviewer too who was exposed as faking his entire background. She should be ashamed of herself. The so-called rabbi she’s with was censored by the US government last year for his illegal doings in Israel. The entire Kabbalah Centre is a con organization run by the infamous Berg family. They prey on cancer victims and are homophobic. They were even exposed telling followers that the Holocaust happened because those Jews weren’t following the Kabbalah. Even the water they sell was exposed as being by from a tainted source by the BBC. It’s next to a power plant. Madonna is treated like Tom Cruise at the Center. It’s the same as Scientology and Madonna defended Scientology. The Kabbalah Center is homophobic and teach that homosexuality is an affront to god. Fuck her and the horse she rode in on. Fucking stupid cunt.

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[quote]She's saying you need spirituality to ground you as in beliefs in universal truths. She's not necessarily pushing Kabballah.

Of course she is. She’s selling a product. It’s right on Kabbalah.com.

She fucked over her brother and her entire family and the entire time she was with him dying she’s telling him that she forgives him. It’s hilarious. Bitch, look in the goddamn mirror. Jesus Christ. She butchered her face and says that she doesn’t care what people think of her. She’s running around the world after married 20-something year old men at 60 disrupting her children’s lives. She needs a shrink and it’s obvious that she’s still addicted to pain killers.

As a person online put it:

People are tortured and die every day. No Madonna, people did not bring that on themselves, nor can they use that as a life lesson. Shit happens all the time without rhyme or reason to innocent people.

She’s being ripped to shreds everyone over this. She’s a rich white woman sitting around thinking about herself all day. This is what happens.

Michael Jackson was involved with the Kabbalah Center. These are the same bunch of clowns.

Wearing red yard is not going to keep away evil spirits. She didn’t even cut her son’s hair until his was 3 because the Center told her so. She nailed Zohars to her stage for protection 20 years ago for energy. The crew thought she was nuts.

This wasn’t her first podcast appearance.

No, she is not being ripped to shreds over the interview. 87% of the comments are positive.

[quote] She fucked over her brother and her entire family and the entire time she was with him dying she’s telling him that she forgives him

How did she fuck over her entire family and brother? Her brother was an addict.

Wrong r75. Look at the non-YouTube comments. Those are filtered. Go fuck yourself backing this homophobic cunt.

I love her hanging out with Dave Chappelle too. She’s completely tone deaf.

R76 Madonna's homophobic? News to me.

R78, this person is a troll. Seriously, even the biggest Madonna haters have never called Madonna homophobic.

35, 36, 37, 38, 41, 43, 49, 62, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 76, 77 ( I stopped counting after that) are all ONE deranged hater. Trolldar it.

R80, that person is fucked up.

R79 On one of the rival divas's websites years ago they coordinated an attack to diminish Madonna's strengths such as dancing, songwriting, performing, being a gay ally, so even those would be questioned and it would take her out completely, in their words.

I agree R59. And as far as her "hawking that old Kabbalah shit from 25 years ago", her "thing" makes a lot of sense to me as guidance for improving the quality of one's life, really not that different from psychotherapy except using different words for the same results: take responsibility, use your setbacks as opportunity to learn, etc. She's a very smart woman.

She’s not homophobic but she seems to give a wide berth to it. She was married to a homophobe for years. She knows better.

Guy leaving her did a number on her. She hadn’t been the same since. That and aging in a music field that is geared towards younger audiences.

R82, really? Which diva???

Guy took her for a fortune, got Rocco away from her and said all kinds of shit about her. I'd be devastated too.

R86, exactly. Listen, I'm sure Madonna is very difficult to deal with but I have no doubt that Guy is an asshole himself.

[quote] How did she fuck over her entire family and brother? Her brother was an addict.

She stiffed him for millions and even her own sister. She does this to everybody.

R86, all of it true. She’s a nutcase.

She's a disciplinarian with her kids and she probably is with her family as well. She backed Christopher on his restaurant, his interior design work, etc. and he turned on her like a bitch. She wouldn't have amounted to a hill of beans without her.

He wouldn't...

How did fuck over her whole family? Didn't see buy them a winery. It's in Michigan, but still.

She gave Christopher all kinds of opportunities. He was also a drug addict. To her, who lost dozens of friends to AIDS and drugs, using is a huge trigger especially when she's already so scarred by death. In that new biography on her it states she absolutely pushes people away whom she sees as being self destructive. It's her coping mechanism.

R93, she also paid for his rehab several times. It sounds like he's the biggest reason for his failing, not Madonna.

Madonna paid for brothers Anthony, Martin, Christopher, and Mario's rehabs. All of those guys had problems with drugs and/or alcohol at one time or another. Anthony fell off the wagon many times and ended up homeless before dying on 2023. Mario now runs the winery.

I understand the hard feelings between her and Christopher but I thought it was odd that she was referring to him as her “enemy” throughout this. Even if you can’t stand your sibling for a variety of reasons, “enemy” struck me as an odd word choice.

I've always loved her beyond belief, still do and always will, but I firmly disagree with her insisting that you HAVE to have a spiritual life. I don't, and have tried and studied everything under the sun, but nothing has ever spoken to me or impressed me in the least. I am proudly anti-spiritual, and probably dead inside, but whatever.

The podcast seems to be quite a profound experience. Or are they just getting ready to drink the blood of a chicken to revive a rainbow grey Labubu from the dead?

[quote]Listen, I'm sure Madonna is very difficult to deal with but I have no doubt that Guy is an asshole himself.

I'm sure she knew that when he was making homophobic jokes at the pre-wedding reception. Isn't there also a song about how he left his long-term girlfriend for Madonna, because "She's Madonna!"

Interesting that both of her husbands turned out to be screwed up. And she lusted after Sean's fucked up ass for years.

While her brother writing the tell-all book was a bit of a dick move, I read it years ago and I think most of it was likely true. It bothers me to hear her say she forgave him and helped her "enemy" when he was on his deathbed. Makes me wonder if she just assumes herself to be completely faultless in what happened that led up to the book. These types of relationship breakdowns usually take two. As usual, she seems to fancy herself some holier than thou, impossibly wise sage. The thought that she might possibly have something to apologize to him for probably never crossed her mind.

R100 That's a lot to assume. I doubt his telling of events are half factual. I can say shit about someone I'm close with and make it seem like they're an animal and be factual, but leaving out context changes everything. The Mary Gabriel biography shows a much more nuanced version of events. You understand both sides to an extent. Neither comes out bad or good, just human.

She's cray now, right?

I believe she loved Guy more than Sean and Guy destroyed her. She’s been very different after they split, but also she split with Warner at the exact same time. Two major, bitter divorces in one year. Her split from Warner, as shitty as they are, hurt her career more than anything. She unwisely chose not to play the hits on her subsequent tours after she left Warner so they wouldn’t profit. That’s the real reason.

It was a nice interview if you actually watch it.

I am obsessed with the lighting in the video. It's fucking exquisite. I always wanted to be a Cinematographer. I want to know see the lighting design for this interview!

Guy Richie definitely fucked her up. I remember reading that he was really critical of her appearance. I'm sure that was the last thing a 40-something Madonna needed to hear. Very telling that she hasn't had a real relationship in the 15 years since that divorce.

R105 And she looked good! He was just cruel, abusive, and jealous.

I remember at the time she said she moved to Portugal to be a soccer mom as her son David was playing in a team there.

R96

And didn’t Christopher die? Harsh to say about a once-close sibling.

R108 Read the Mary Gabriel book. You'll understand completely why their relationship was the way it was. Christopher was no angel and wasn't the most honest person. He's interviewed in the book.

And she wasn't saying he is her enemy NOW. She was saying she viewed him as her enemy but then came to peace with him. Not sure how that's harsh. People have said far worse things about their siblings.

I was sifting through the Comments on that mind-numbing video and strangely not one (except mine) was negative. Just gooey, slavish praise of her.

I think she's gone round the bend, or she's selling something. She hasn't mentioned Kaballah since the divorce, when she started gaining weight, drinking, fermal-pumping and dating blatino teens. Now she's immersed (yet still seems unhappy).

She's never to blame- it's all just a test. This is only a test.

Oh look the troll 35, 36, 37, 38, 41, 43, 49, 62, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 76, 77, 88, 89 is back from its time out.

Add 111 to that list.

I still love Madonna. She’s flawed but most people are

I'll say something nice: she's still here with us, as she said in her interview, even though many of her famous peers flamed out early and have left (MJ, Prince, etc). She's trying to hawk spirituality, and not useless shampoos, cosmetics, or other stuff - trying (or believes she's trying) to make others' lives better. Her kids all seem healthy and productive, at least in the present moment.

Agree with r114.

Will the poppers incident on Terry Jo’s podcast be recreated for this affair?