Alex O’Keefe, Award-Winning Black Screenwriter, Pulled From Train After White Woman Objects To How He Was Sitting

This barely makes sense. How exactly was sitting?

Was this Metro North? Those seats are cramped and make everybody sit weird.

Sitting while Black

I hope he sues and takes them to the cleaners.

[quote]This barely makes sense. How exactly was sitting?

r1...

The Purge is just beginning.

Apparently he was taking up two seats, spreading his legs across the empty seat. Of course he shouldn't have been arrested but it's pretty clear that's what he was hoping for so he could claim the 'sitting while black' mantle. All he needed was one old white hag to make a stink, something you can count on.

Hey lady, just don't look at him if it bothers you.

[quote] it's pretty clear that's what he was hoping for

It's pretty clear??? So you think every day, multiple times a day, he just sits on public transportation in the hopes that someone will make a scene?

[quote] he just sits on public transportation

He didn't "just sit". FFs this is not Rosa Parks. I'm just pointing out he stuck his legs across an empty seat. I ride public transportation and no one the fuck does that.

Just sit correctly I guess. Men need to stop spreading on planes, trains, subways and buses. It's aggressive.

On Metro North and LIRR, men do this thousands of times a day…. It’s not a subway car seat or a bus seat.

[quote] I'm just pointing out he stuck his legs across an empty seat. I ride public transportation and no one the fuck does that.

And that warrants an arrest, R9? And I have seen that, so stop clutching your pearls.

[quote] And that warrants an arrest, [R9]?

I said it didn't, except that he wasn't 'arrested' like he claimed. He violated MTA rules, wouldn't take his feet off the seat after being asked, was taken off the train in handcuffs because he resisted, and allowed to board another train. He wasn't arrested.

I’ve ridden metro north before and have done this. If no one is sitting beside you, you lean up against the window/wall and stretch your leg over the seat, foot dangling off. It s not like he had his feet ON the seat. People do this everyday, all day.

If you think it's no big deal for people to be arbitrary detained by the police over nothing then you're part of the problem, r13.

Maybe you should ask yourself why you're bending over backwards to place all the blame on him. It's a very strange reaction to obvious mistreatment.

[quote] He violated MTA rules, wouldn't take his feet off the seat after being asked

Oh shut the fuck up, R13.

R13 manages to be both a Mary and a Karen.

Something ain’t right. He had to be drunk and removed for disorderly conduct or suntin’. Metro North ain’t just gon remove some random black man because of one obnoxious Karen. We need to hear all the facts.

It also seems dramatic and unnecessary to stop the whole train just for someone sitting weird. There’s gotta be more here.

[quote] There’s gotta be more here.

I once had a woman close down her gift shop at 2pm and call in security because she thought I took too long picking out a greeting card.

Sometimes there’s nothing more than the obvious.

I'm guessing he was asked to make room and acted intimidating or belligerent. And then escalated things unnecessarily from there. It's unfortunately "a thing" with certain riders on public transit, especially in NYC. There is a very real chip on the shoulder of some riders. Usually they are black, and the behavior is directed toward whites and Asians, primarily. It's almost like they want to be confronted, or they are daring someone to ask them to make room so that they can sit down. Not sure if that is the case here, but perhaps video will eventually tell the tale. I have been riding the subway and buses in NYC for 26 years, and this behavior is something I have seen quite often.

So it's a black thing, huh, R21? I've lived in NYC for 40 years. I've seen what you describe maybe half a dozen times.

R21 He’s a fucking Hollywood film director. You think regular ghetto politics apply to him? I doubt he spends his days on public transit punking you white cunts like a regular Jerome 😂. Perhaps alcohol was involved. We need more details.

If his dirty feet were up on the seat, and he was taking up two seats when the train was more than half full, and he had an attitude when asked to put his feet on the floor, then arrest this guy.

His dirty feet, R24? You think he was barefoot? How do you know the train was half full? And you'd have an attitude too if you were put in handcuffs, you asshole.

According to R24, O'Keefe was a dirty-bare-footed, belligerent black guy who was terrorizing poor old white people with his bad attitude by putting his leg up the empty chair next to him.

Close your legs to old Karens.

My pussy stinks.

You pay for one seat, you occupy one seat. It’s not that hard.

Everybody thinks every public space is their TV room these days.

He said people recorded the the exchange/arrest on their phones, so where is the video?

If he was taking two seats and refused to movie, he deserved it.

He was the AH in this scene. Enough performance art.....

Where does this “refusal to move” even come in to play? Nowhere in the article does it say the other seat was needed by a passenger. It’s amazing how one person says one thing that’s not even factual and it becomes part of the narrative. I swear some people (usually white) have to make every black person belligerent in these situations.

The old bitty is a racist who was bothered by a black man sitting near her - and especially one who didn’t do as told. And so is her old friend who said “you’re not the minority anymore,” whatever the fuck that means.

One thing I’ve learned about being black in America is - NEVER EVER getting the benefit of the doubt. I’m used to it. I know if a white woman wrongly accuses me I have to prove why she is wrong, she doesn’t have to prove anything. It’s always - he must have DONE something. Always - as seen right here in this thread.

^ a man gets throat crushed while the nation watches - well he wrote bad checks. Another gets choked out by the police, well he sold loose cigarettes. I don’t know it’s it’s a coping mechanism to deal with guilt or if people really believe they deserve. It.

You know if a black woman complained about a white guy with his feet up (because you know the old lady mentioned this guy’s race to the conductor) the conductor would at most asked if he was being unruly. Then he would have told her to go back to her seat and if he does something let him know. But because a white lady comments about a black man it HAS to be investigated. I’m sure FOX News got her hopped up as if she were a young pretty blond Ukrainian.

This should have never become an issue unless the train was packed and someone needed that empty seat next to him and he refused to pull his gams in.

Rules are rules and there for a reason. Act like a good person, law-abiding citizen and treat other with kindness and all is good. Fuck around and find out. This is not new or rocket science.

R34/R35...This sword cuts both ways. Plenty of non-blacks have been the targets of accusations that include the slightest wiff of perceived racism or even none at all, losing livlihoods & decent reputations. I'm not sticking up for the white guy, but it's just naive to ignore that we we've reached a point where racially based social politics aren't played to the advantage of all the participants these days. Blacks ignoring the power of this dynamic are just disingenuous. Whites who indulge them are willfully ignorant to perpetuating the gross usefulness of race baiting.

There's more to this story & I'm sure both participants aren't being completely forthright. On one hand, be respectful of the other passengers who are riding with you & accept it when you're called out for not doing so...and on the other, mind your own business.

Obama brought back racism from the dead.

[quote] Act like a good person, law-abiding citizen and treat other with kindness and all is good. Fuck around and find out.

R38, this isn't Singapore, where they cane someone for littering. Someone putting a leg up on an empty chair doesn't make him a bad person or a criminal. Get over yourself.

He didn’t win any awards personally—the WGA Awards were for the series. He’d been a speechwriter for Elizabeth Warren—maybe he can claim he was honoring his Indigenous ancestors by taking up two seats.

It was hardly dead, R40. What Obama did was have the temerity, the audacity, to run for president and then win two terms. That was enough to bring out all the slimy racists, who then happily voted for a racist like Dump. He spoke to their true hearts.

R39 There is a great divide between this situation and what you state. And it points out a lack of self-awareness on your part that is indicative of other white people as well. There is a MAJOR difference between accusations, whiffs of racism, attacks on reputation which are a part of “social politics” AND an American being yanked of a train and handcuffed by law enforcement solely based on the accusations of someone else. That’s scary as hell to go through. They didn’t even question the woman. They just assumed she was right.

I am not saying what you stated isn’t true r39. You are indeed right. But the two situations cannot be compared when you feel your most basic rights as an American are being stomped on, disregarded because you made someone else feel uncomfortable with your presence.

And again, everyone is saying there HAS to be more. Does there? That just proves that everyone has a gut feeling the white woman was sensible and the black guy MUST have done something to provoke her outside of just existing. They released him when he asked for a lawyer. If the arresting officers had been in the right, what fear would they have in upholding their case in a court of law. Where do we live here being handcuffed is a form of warning?

He wasn’t taking a seat from someone else. There was no one who needed the seat. Woman always put their bags on the seat next to them. That is never a problem. People always spread out on a train if the other seat isn’t needed. It’s done 100 times a day everyday. Is it against the rules? Yes. Do people do it all of the time? Yes. Is it ever a problem? Only when someone refuses to move when the seat is needed.

The woman was more offended the black guy didn’t do what she told him to do than anything going with his legs.

What R14 and R45 said. Threads like this always bring out the DL racists and Karen-fluffers.

[quote] was recently pulled off an MTA train headed for Connecticut by the police because a white woman on board complained about his posture.

People mention the beginning of the story and the end but leave out the middle because it’s less supportive of the narrative. The police were called and they took action because the man did not comply with the train conductor’s instruction and became disruptive. We see the same on airplanes a lot, where the original issue is not the reason people get pulled off the plane or arrested. People aren’t arrested for sitting in the wrong seat. They’re arrested for refusing to comply with flight crew instruction and for causing a scene.

This whole incident seems very staged, especially considering who the writer is. He’s been in front of a camera before, which you can see if you search on him. He got the drama he scripted and was able to get it on video and then get the public reaction he wanted. Presumably, this will lead to future employment, which could have been the goal all along,

R38 is exactly why I tell my white friends, “you go ahead and do that, the rules are different for me.”

Cross the street against the light? “You go ahead…” Cut in the line? “You go ahead…” Sneak into a second movie? “You go ahead…” yes there are rules but being black you know you are the one they will probably be enforced on if given a chance. So if you are a law abiding black American in society you tend to follow the rules that everyone else skirts on the regular. Because there is no benefit of the doubt given to you and you’re seen as always up to something.

But with all of that said, putting my leg up on a train seat was never on my radar as a way to end up in handcuffs.

Wearing shoes and putting your feet on a seat is probably even worse that bare feet, we know what people are stepping in.

It's like somebody rubbing their filthy shoes on your pants. NASTY

Is there any confirmation that the terrified woman in the video that the writer is pointing at and screaming about actually said anything to him?

Yes r50 “she told him to correct how he was sitting” before she went and complained. And the other old guy told him “you’re not the minority anymore” - whatever that means.

R49 is feet, his shoes were not on the seat.

[quote] Responding to questions about O’Keefe’s video, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said security video showed he had been sitting with both legs stretched across an adjacent seat.

If his feet had been on the actual seat I am 100% sure that would have been mentioned.

He broke the rules yes. The same rule I am sure many others on the same train were breaking at the exact same time. People just get tired of being targeted. Like why of all people are you targeting me? Why are you picking on me of all people because of my color? I can understand his frustration. I would have put my legs down when the conductor asked. But maybe he was just Rosa Parks fed up and wanted an explanation as to why this situation warranted the stopping of the entire train. Why did it escalate so quickly? Why do cops need to be called?

The motto of the entire world is now WHY ME?

R54 he already knows why him. He wanted them to say it. It was because he was black. That was made clear to him.

Wow how the fuck is that something that actually concerns you and how does anybody take this complaint seriously?

There is NO EXCUSE for removing ANYONE in HANDCUFFS from a train for putting his leg up on a chair. His action did not affect the complaining woman in the slightest. I smell lawsuit, and quite rightly.

And not just black, Award-Winning Black Screenwriter.

Of course it doesn't matter if he worked at a CVS. It's all the same racism.

Old white women can be absolute cubts for no reason. I’m not saying they all are but I’ve seen it before. It’s like they’re looking to pick a fight if they see somebody the don’t like the looks of

Award-Winning Black Screenwriters can be absolute cubts for no reason. I’m not saying they all are but I’ve seen it before. It’s like they’re looking to pick a fight if they see somebody the don’t like the looks of

R61, the queen of unproven whataboutism.

"You’re not the minority anymore" is apparently code for "white people don't have to respect you as equals anymore." These two old folks are obviously MAGAt racists. Let's hope they got off at Rye.

Throw mama from the train.

I will just say this as a black man to shed light on what the experience is like being black in America. This is not a woe is me lamentation, I am blessed in many ways beyond many of my fellow Americans (black and white). I have experienced what this young man experienced, but I am admittedly too chicken shit not to just “put up with it.” And I am not saying this is unique to black people either, because people of any race can experience it on some level - including white men around single women in public.

But the best example I can give is that being black in America is like being an adult sitting at a playground without a kid. You are always having to explain why you are somewhere JUST to make someone feel comfortable with your presence. I do it as a matter of course. You see that worried/scared/defensive look in their eyes asking “what are you doing here?”“I’m just waiting for my mom, she works upstairs.” “I go to school here that’s why I’m parking here.” “I’m just waiting for my friends inside.” “I live here and am waiting for a package, that’s why I have the door propped open.” Half the time the person will lurk around to make sure you’re telling the truth or to see if they need to call the police. In my smoking days I literally had a cop car stop in front of my building where I was smoking outside and they stayed until I finished and pulled out my keys and let myself in. Then they drove away. This was NYC. You are always being watched, observed, studied to see how someone should interpret your actions. And if you cross the wrong person’s path and make them feel uncomfortable you know they will be seen in the right and you’ll again have to explain why you’re not in the wrong. It’s never the reverse.

So America can feel like a house your family helped build from the ground up but you’re standing outside waiting for permission to come in. If you play by all the rules, they let you in. If you’re exemplary you might even get a seat just so some white people can prove to themselves that see, we like black people. But you have to be perfect. No rule breaking because again - there is absolutely no benefit of the doubt for you.

R63 I figured it was akin to cops telling black people “it’s Giuliani Time.” when forcefully arresting them. It just means we don’t have to be nice to you anymore.

[quote] Yes [R50] “she told him to correct how he was sitting” before she went and complained. And the other old guy told him “you’re not the minority anymore” - whatever that means.

The news articles I have read only state that that is what he claimed she said. Is there any confirmation that she actually said it?

That’s why this DEI conversation is so insane to me. People aren’t aware of all the hurdles and weeding out through school and other admissions process you have to go through to just be able to sit next to a community school dropout doing the same job. You have to be amazing. No one is giving a C-average black oerson anything anywhere anytime soon. You have a Charlie Kirk (one of these community school drop outs) saying Michelle Obama - a Princeton Harvard Law graduate didn’t deserve her job and needed to steal it from a white man. That’s how a huge portion of the country views it. But to get anywhere close to positions of power as a black person, you have to run laps in performance around your white counterpart just for the same consideration. So usually the black candidate they find is over qualified for the role they are allowed to have.

Shouldn't there be a Colored car?

[quote] There is NO EXCUSE for removing ANYONE in HANDCUFFS from a train for putting his leg up on a chair.

He wasn’t removed for putting his leg up on a chair. He was removed because he did not comply with the instruction to leave the train on his own. O’Keefe escalated the situation by deliberately failing to comply.

[quote]Authorities told ABC News in a statement that a passenger, presumed to be O'Keefe, defied officers' orders to exit the train. When he didn't exit, police handcuffed him and escorted him out. Officials added that he was not placed under arrest at any time.

R67 do you think Nellie Bly was in the next seat? Who is going to confirm what was said to him by her and her friend other than him? What kind of confirmation are you waiting for? I don’t think there is volume in security cams. And it would actually look worse for her to have NOT said something first. And if was lying why wouldn’t he just say she called him the N-word first?

Theres more to this. And its Not a race thing. If he was doing wrong, it doesn't matter his colour.

R70 why was he targeted in the first place for doing what so many others were probably doing at the same time with their bags or their legs. That is the question.

You could argue the same about jay-walking. Why am I getting stopped and not the others people next to me. The unfairness of the situation that was obviously based on race is the issue. A black man breaking a rule is not the same as a white oerson breaking the same rule. That’s where the anger comes from.

[quote] If he was doing wrong, it doesn't matter his colour.

No, that's actually the exact question. Was he treated differently because he was black? Would a white person have been ordered to leave that train or handcuffed if he refused to do so? Those are real questions in this country, this country where we spell it "color" by the way. If you're British, you might not get that, but all Americans know that black and white are treated fundamentally differently in all kinds of situations (though not everybody admits it).

R71, a Nellie Bly might find and interview the woman as well as anyone else on the train to learn whether or not she said what he claimed, or if she said anything at all. Bly might also seek security video to see if the woman could be seen to be saying something.

I’ve only seen O’Keefe’s claim and nothing corroborating it. It may be exactly as he claimed, but I haven’t seen any mention yet that there is any eyewitness or other evidence to back it up.

[quote] Rules are rules and there for a reason.

Words I live by!!

Again at R70, he MUST be up to something. There has to be more to it. He has to have some angle other than telling the straight up truth. No benefit of the doubt. It sounds like he just wanted an answer to why he of all people he was being targeted. Absolutely no reason to handcuff him either and pull him off the train.

Was he exposing his turkey gobblers?

He sounds like an asshole for not obeying the conductor in the first place.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[quote] It sounds like he just wanted an answer to why he of all people he was being targeted. Absolutely no reason to handcuff him either and pull him off the train.

I’d like to believe that most people, if instructed to exit a train by uniformed police, would immediately comply and only afterward file an official complaint with the transportation authorities and police. I think most people are aware that shouting and resisting and creating a commotion causes the handcuffs.

What exactly happened between

"old while lady tells seat-sprawling younger black male to not sit that way; he does not obey her command"

to

"cops stop the whole train and order him to leave the train"?

Not the true story.

So sick of black folks making up “racist” incidents for clout and attention.

This never happened.

Putting your feet up as this man did is not allowed because of the potential of dirtying the chair. On the other hand, why would anyone care if you are spreading over into the next sett if there is clearly no current need for it and you clear up the space as soon as it becomes clear it is needed?

Can we just agree that both parties are insufferable and that we hope not to have to deal with them? He shouldn't be putting his feet up on another seat and should have stopped doing it, but the women is an absolute freak to have made such a big deal about it and probably wouldn't have if he weren't black.

[quote] I swear some people (usually white) have to make every black person belligerent in these situations.

Yes, how unfair. We all know that Black people are so kind to Whites, so compliant in all social situations with other races, never seen a one on a bus or a train taking up two spaces knowing that no one would dare challenge them. How unfair indeed.

R35, and yet, there is so much sympathy and mourning for a white Christian nationalist that literally bussed in people to the January 6th insurrection. He gets the benefit of the doubt and is commemorated all over the place. It's disgusting.

Fuck off, R79, you dumb cunt.

Oh, and were you there, R82? Another asshole.

[quote] Oh, and were you there, [R82]? Another asshole.

I didn't know that to have an opinion on the DL you had to be there.

It all boils dpwn to this for the likes of R79 and R82: be a good little pickaninny and obey Mr. and Ms. Whitey.

Pointing out she's White suggests that she had a problem with his race, not how he was sitting. Does anyone know HOW he was sitting? Can anyone rule out definitely that he wasn't doing something inappropriate, rather than leaping to "sitting while Black"? I am not saying this was a proportionate response (i.e., pulling him off the train). I'm talking specifically about the rush to the racism narrative that exists here and among your ilk (liberals).

This is exactly the type of preemptive victim hood that got you a Trump to begin with.

If it was a Black woman who complained, would this have even been a story? Or are we just going to assume that her complaint was motivated by racism?

Can't fix (progrssive) stupid I guess. Keep alienating white people and see where that gets you.

I know I'll be called a magat and FFd to oblivion, but some of you just don't get it, even after all that's happening. Your rhetoric is just as devisive as the other side and I see a lot of demonization of Whites here generally. Good luck with that approach, because it's gotten you where you are now.

R90 Yes, demonization of Whites by Whites of all people. Kind of like Fags and Dykes for Palestine.

[quote] Keep alienating white people and see where that gets you.

But alienating black people is no problem, right, R90?

Are you really that stupid, R91? Rhetorical question because you revealed that yes, you are. I guess you're a fag for Zionism.

Mandingo menace. Rancid old unfucked white cunt couldn't deal cause her panties were getting moist for the first time in 30 years.

I ride the busand one thing obnoxious people do is take a 2 seat and sit with their back to the wall/window with their feet hanging fully into the aisle. They won't move their feet when you try to get by the 5 inches of space they've left. Sometimes you get multiple people doing it on opposite sides of the bus aisle.

I don't say anything, I either kick the leg or step high to step on the foot forcing it down. They know what they're doing, fuck them.

Video is very upsetting.

R93 Is that the best you can come up with? I guess as usual the progressive response is insults because they can't come up with a rational answer. Insults or a bullet.

[quote] I guess as usual the progressive response is insults because they can't come up with a rational answer. Insults or a bullet.

And I guess calling everyone who disagrees with you a Fag or Dyke for Palestine was just an invitation to debate. Or maybe you're a cunt. And yes,that is an insult. Deal with the trauma of it all.

The old lady needed to speak jive.

Cut us some slack, Jack!

Is that the beast YOU can come up with, R91/R97? You're the one who started throwing "fags and dykes" around, not me. I guess as usual MAGAts like you throw insults around and then move the goal post. As for bullets, the ones shooting them off are MAGAts.

R98 You sound like you're a poor, depressed old fag living in your head fantasizing that your opinion means much in this world.

*Is that the best

But beast applies with most MAGAts.

I have to laugh at R95's revenge.

I confessed in the thread about riding the bus at night about bashing into annoying people accidently on purpose as I exit.

[quote]R38 …treat other with kindness and all is good.

Exactly.

Live, laugh, love!

If he's an award-winning screenwriter, OP, he must ipso facto be exempt from following the rules!

Treating each other with kindness...yeah, that's right out of the MAGAt/racist handbook.

The rules! The rules! YOU WILL NOT PUT YOUR LEG UP ON AN EMPTY SEAT WHEN NO ONE NEEDS IT!

[quote] The rules! The rules!

Rule #1, for everyone: when a police officer gives you a lawful instruction in the course of doing his duty, you must follow it. You have the right to file a complaint about it afterward.

r96 A link to said video, please.

No shit, R108. This all started (allegedly) because someone complained about this guy, and it escalated. That's a sepatrate thing.

R110, he was removed from the train because he failed to follow instruction.

He could have just made a video about allegedly not being treated right, without creating the disturbance. Many people post videos online about when they feel like they haven’t been treated properly. Most don’t act out in a way that requires the police to come.

R111 isn't even bothering to factor in what it might be like to have a verbal altercation with someone, and then have that escalate to the point where you're suddenly having police order you around and you're put in handcuffs. I would posit that that's mostly because you're white and it doesn't happen to you--ever. But I guess that's because you're a good little citizen who obeys all the rules!

[quote] He had to be drunk and removed for disorderly conduct or suntin’.

No one is addressing this? 🫖🎂

[quote] I'm guessing he was asked to make room and acted intimidating or belligerent

I like to make up stuff to support already formed opinions and biases!

Everyone who finds him at fault just assumes he must have done something wrong, because it's so outrageous to pull a guy off a train and handcuff him for arguing with another passenger about how he's sitting. What's interesting is practically no one questions the white people--that it could be on them as well.

R90, to answer your question. Yes, this was racially motivated. That facts as stated by Alex was that the older white man with the lady said, "You're not the minority, anymore." I am guessing that if this was indeed a lie, the wording would have been more pointed and coherent. Which leads me to believe this was indeed said to him. This is all he said, she said. But what he claimed was said to him does not sound like something made up by him.

And for those who keep saying it, his feet were NOT on the seat, his legs were across the seat. And for you R95, rescue-chick, this guy is not the type of hoodratchet causing trouble for troubles sake, because they have no power in the real world and want to make everyone else's life miserable. This was a gainfully employed writer on an award winning show. He is not a thug. I know we all get lumped into the same category. But the facts alone on his profession lets me know he knows how to comport himself to hold down such a job. His name is Alexander O'Keefe for godsakes.

The issue is why this had to escalate to this level. What skin was it off of this woman's teeth the way he was sitting? He was not bothering her OR in her way. He wasn't doing anything other than what 100s of people do daily. Why did THIS bother her from her seat? Her actions and his disbelief over being confronted by something everyone does and the fact that he wasn't in anyone's way explain his reaction to this entire scenario to me. How is a train getting stopped by my leg resting on a second seat? How is that even an issue to anyone? And to call the police over a leg on a chair that is not bothering anyone is absurd.

People.... there's video. It's real. Doesn't tell the whole story, it starts with the cops cuffing him for "disorderly conduct" because he argued back when they kicked him off the train verbally, but it definitely happened. The old white lady looks 80 and face-masked and not at all adjacent to him.

[quote]R115 What's interesting is practically no one questions the white people--that it could be on them as well.

How come no one’s identified the pair from the video, and attempted an interview? Old White Bag #1 is wearing a mask, but her companion Old White Bag #2 isn’t.

I hope they’re turned in by a neighbor.

[quote] People.... there's video. It's real. Doesn't tell the whole story, it starts with the cops cuffing him for "disorderly conduct" because he argued back when they kicked him off the train verbally, but it definitely happened.

We know something happened. The police would not have had to remove him unless something happened. However, it’s what happened prior to the start of the video that is in question.

R113, he’s doing his best cosplay!

“Something ain’t right. He had to be drunk and removed for disorderly conduct or suntin’. Metro North ain’t just gon remove some random black man because of one obnoxious Karen. We need to hear all the facts.”

There’s been some interesting conversations on this post, but he has to bring it down a notch.

R115 NO ONE questions the white woman. They are just trying to find what the black guy could have possibly done wrong to provoke this situation.

Just spitting ballin' here. The white woman is probably MAGA. She was probably hopped up on Fox New's two week long autopsy of the poor Ukranian woman stabbed to death on a train by a crazy black man. They showed that video of him cowering over her nonstop every day, every hour for at least a week. So black people on trains looking disorderly are now huge threats. Disorderly being a leg stretched out over a seat. Her and her friend were too old to move their asses, so they were looking for a way to get him to move or get him in trouble, off the train. But he was minding his own business. She was the one not minding hers.

Video re-quote the MTA for truth - Just take your feet off the seat and respect other passengers, it's that simple.

R119, they cuffed him when he would not get off the train when they asked him to get off the train. That is what is happening right before the video. He is not obeying their orders probably out of disbelief that this is happening to him. "Am I literally being asked by cops to get off of this train because of this woman complaining how I was sitting?" The unfairness of it all was probably a lot and you want answers and you want to show how unfair this is. All of that of course is not obeying, and that is what got him escorted off the train by the police. It's not hard to imagine how shocking this would be to someone and they would want to know why THEY off all people have to get off a train for minding their business. Why am I being targeted over her comments? Why are you questioning her?

[quote] That facts as stated by Alex was that the older white man with the lady said, "You're not the minority, anymore." I am guessing that if this was indeed a lie, the wording would have been more pointed and coherent.

It makes as much sense as two black men in Chicago’s River North neighborhood shouting, “This is MAGA country” at Jussie, but who knows.

mafuckin'

I can't type "eb_nics" anymore so African American Vernacular English. But in the case of 🫖🎂

its CAAVE - Cosplayed African American Vernacular English

no R124, as a lie, that makes more sense. That is what someone making up a scenario would have others think was said to them. "This is MAGA country." If Alex had said that that was what was said to him, I would maybe go hmmm, he might be lying.

"You're not the minority anymore" doesn't make any sense. It's not a line someone would make up. It sounds like the incoherent ramblings of an old racist. That is what makes it seem like more the truth than a lie. What does that even mean? I get the sense, and the intention. But as a phrase in this situation, it is backassward and probably something someone would say in a moment like this.

Video helps explain a lot. An Award-Winning Screenwriter can't make his case to the conductor then the police without shrieking "THAT WHITE WOMAN" at least twice? Use better words next time.

It’s something a TV writer would write.

It's not, R128. A TV writer would write, "You people always playing the victim." or "You people are nothing but trouble." "You can't get away with it anymore," or "no one cares anymore." "You're not the minority anymore" makes no sense because he is STILL a minority so you really have to guess at what he is intending to say. Writers don't purposely cause confusion. They might obfuscate certain things, but not intentionally make them confusing. It's not a part of good storytelling. It immediately takes the viewer out of what's going on to make sense of what they just heard.

Main question for me is, did the conductor try to address it in a non-escalating manner first? That's the part we don't see. If the conductor went direct from "old white lady complaining there is a black man with his feet on a seat" to "I'm going to just believe her and stop this train and call the cops right now"... that's insane and the conductor would be the one most at fault here. If the conductor did first try to address it 1:1 with the passenger, stating the rules about no feet on seats, and O'Keefe told off the conductor and refused to comply, then O'Keefe would be the one most at fault here.

Once the cops arrive on the scene, they will inevitably go thru (and pretty much have to go thru) their cop dance steps. And if you refuse to comply, they either have to arrest you or let it be demonstrated that they have no authority.

The old lady is the instigator and was 100% a troublemaker and racism is an obviously likely factor; white people do put their feet up on the seats fairly often and it is doubtful that she summons the conductor every single time. But once it's an interaction between O'Keefe and the MTA conductor (if it ever was) , then it's a question of whether or not the passenger complies with the conductor's authority -- which the conductor does in fact have.

[quote] Just take your feet off the seat

R122: HIS FEET WERE NOT ON THE FUCKING SEAT. HIS LEG WAS. GOT IT?

You would think a speech writer for two politicians could talk his way out of trouble.

Was that what he was supposed to do, R132?

Dude, it's a public train seat, not your personal lounge chair. Entitled behaviors we enjoy in the privacy of our own homes rarely, if ever, translate to public accommodations.

Act like an adult; keep your feet off the furniture. Leave the seat-sprawling to immature teens (even they are often considerate of others).

GTFU.

“…then it's a question of whether or not the passenger complies with the conductor's authority -- which the conductor does in fact have…”

The conductor had every chance to listen to his response snd quickly dismiss there being any issue. He chose not to. I’ve been on plenty of trains, both Metro-North and LIRR, where a discussion was had that did not involve removing a person first and asking questions later. They could very easily have addressed this without removing him and without delaying the train.

The End.

[quote] The End.

Only a child says that after making a point in an argument. Grow up.

Thy sting!

Oy gevalt…

Dude R136, for the millionth time, his feet weren't on the seat, and he should not have been hauled off the train in handcuffs for something that doesn't appear to be an infraction. And if it wasn't an infraction, he had every right to argue after being confronted by the woman, and the police had no right to pull him off the train.

Sorry, that was for the dude at R134.

R134 has never ridden Metro-North

LOL

The train conductor, the police and "THAT WHITE WOMAN" didn't believe that either when the Award-Winning Black Screenwriter also shouted that at them r131

Maybe they should listen then, R141, so he doesn't have to shout.

R44...It kind of does apply to this scenario. The accused is assuming he is being targeted because of his race, when from the video there is no evidence she ever mentioned the man's race. He reinforces the assumption that his race is a predominant factor here by referring to his accuser as "this white woman". By all accounts this far there is no evidence the woman singled him out because of his race. So far, that assumption is all his own. His defense is that he's a black man being accused of something frivolous by a white woman.

[quote] His defense is that he's a black man being accused of something frivolous by a white woman.

No, R143. His "defense" (not that he needs one) is that he was accused of something frivolous, PERIOD.

R143, his RACE WAS REFERRED. I swear to hod no wonder he ended up shouting. You people with your expert opinions haven’t read a single thing about this case. Yet…

Hog = god ovi.

There is a whole discussion in this thread about his race being referred to.

Why no outrage here that from the video it shows that the train conductor who called the police was also a black man?

[quote] The conductor had every chance to listen to his response snd quickly dismiss there being any issue. He chose not to.

Unless the transit authorities say otherwise, the conductor was doing his job properly. Let’s not blame the working man.

[quote] if it wasn't an infraction, he had every right to argue after being confronted by the woman, and the police had no right to pull him off the train.

That’s only an imaginary right that exists in some people’s head, not in law. The police have authority to remove the offender after he became disorderly, which we can clearly see in the video he had indeed become.

I don’t live where he lived but I’m in my 40s and take trains and buses everywhere and am always putting stuff on the seat beside or leaning on that seat. I’ve had weirdos ask to sit beside me even though they.can sit in an empty seat somewhere else but nobody has ever told me to fix how I say or to move my bag. I’m sure race has something to do with it

If I had women with their feet on chairs, benches, and seats everywhere from public transport to restaurants to libraries to hotel lobbies arrested every time I saw their displays, the nation would need to house most of that population.

This was a racist action. Feet on a seat is disgusting, rude, and clueless, but it is not the sort of thing requiring this sort of targeted-hate response. If it were, the busses and subways would be empty.

Christ. I cannot understand the lunacy here, and it goes way beyond bad public manners.

[quote] I’m in my 40s and take trains and buses everywhere and am always putting stuff on the seat beside or leaning on that seat.

FYI, that behavior is not something to be proud of or try to excuse if there is another person needing a seat or wanting to sit there.

If you mean the video at r117, he's not actually being disruptive. He's being accused of sitting while black with malice aforethought, he is objecting to that description, he's arguing that it's stupid to arrest him just because some racist old woman doesn't like how he's sitting, etc, but the ones actually being disruptive are the old white bitch and the cops who as usual are overreacting instead of trying to be normal and calm the situation.

I believe the cops were called by the conductor to board the train and remove him, not to investigate and try to deescalate. It was not a “hey we have a he said / she said situation here, could you come help sort it out” phone call. I do not defend police abuse but in this case the Metro North conductor has authority to call for any passenger’s removal. The cops will follow procedure, which is to assume the conductor’s decision is to be followed and to remove the passenger.

What happened here is on the conductor.

Sticking him in handcuff crossed over the line. What craziness was that?

Plus, he pointed out that the police didn’t even interview the woman. The conductor just took her word for it and called the cops!

[Quote] FYI, that behavior is not something to be proud of or try to excuse if there is another person needing a seat or wanting to sit there.

Should he be handcuffed?

People only do that on the commuter trains if no one else needs a seat

[Quote] he was removed from the train because he failed to follow instruction.

The instruction from the old white woman?

[quote] It was not a “hey we have a he said / she said situation here, could you come help sort it out” phone call.

Because that is not an accurate description of the reason he had to summon the police. The police were called because the man refused to follow the instruction of the conductor. Whatever may have happened between the man and the woman was not relevant at that moment.

[quote] Treating each other with kindness...yeah, that's right out of the MAGAt/racist handbook.

You're so kind. I'm sure that's working miracles with the opposition.

A spokesperson for the MTA Police Department confirmed in a statement that officers responded Thursday morning to a “report of a disorderly passenger” at the Fordham Metro-North station in the Bronx. A conductor reported that a 31-year-old passenger occupied two seats and “refused to remove his feet from one of the seats.” According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct can include occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

Police issued O’Keefe a summons for disorderly conduct and he “was not placed under arrest at any time,” the statement said.

R159, the "opposition" doesn't listen and is not interested in any kind of connection or dialogue. You'ver failed to see that, agt this point?

[quote] What happened here is on the conductor.

No, R154, it's on the old white woman who started it all instead of minding her own fucking business.

Surprised this didn't happen in Florida

A conductor reported that a 31-year-old passenger occupied two seats and “refused to remove his feet from one of the seats.” According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct can include occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

Couldn't he have just taken his feet down. He brought this on himself ultimately

Oddly enough R160, the conductor said is feet were on the seat, but the security footage just showed his legs stretched over the seat. He lied about the Feet to get the police because that IS disorderly conduct. Legs on seats is NOT disorderly conduct. Read below.

[quote]Police, citing body camera footage and on-board security footage, say O’Keefe “was observed with both legs stretched across an adjacent seat."

If you look at the actual rules, this is what it says about legs stretched out over the seat:

[quote]Disorderly conduct: Occupy more than one seat on a station, platform or conveyance (train) when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the transit system or the comfort of other passengers;

His behavior was not disorderly conduct because he was not intereferring with the comfort of any other passengers. He was in no ones way. THAT is why the conductor said his feet were on the seat because that IS disorderly conduct.

But police watched the video footage and saw it was just his legs.

page 7

R163, read what I just wrote at r164. Security footage shows it was his legs, NOT his feet. Legs are not disorderly conduct UNLESS you are interfering with the comfort of another passangers.

So what do you racist apologists have to say for yourselves now? Are you going to scour the video for possible gum wrappers he threw on the floor?

R163, read R164's post and then go fuck yourself.

Notice how the MAGAts here keep dropping that his feet were on the seat--they think if they state a lie enough times, it will stick.

so if his legs were on the seat ,where were his feet ? In the aisle ?

[Quote] So what do you racist apologists have to say for yourselves now? Are you going to scour the video for possible gum wrappers he threw on the floor?

You need to get your facts straight. Overreact much?

Maybe hanging off the seat, R168?

JFC.

Police issued O’Keefe a summons for disorderly conduct and he “was not placed under arrest at any time,” the statement said. LA Times

[Quote] And that warrants an arrest, R9? And I have seen that, so stop clutching your pearls.

He wasn't arrested. Again, get your facts straight.

Okay, R171, I'll get my facts straight when people stop saying he had his feet on the seat.

[Quote] Notice how the MAGAts here keep dropping that his feet were on the seat--they think if they state a lie enough times, it will stick.

R167 if that's the case then you must be MAGA

R171, OP's link quotes O'Keefe as saying he was arrested. The police say he wasn't. It's bullshit to say get your facts straight when the facts differ coming from two different sources. So get off it.

R169, overreacting? The man was handcuffed and escorted off a train for having his legs on an empty seat and I am overreacting. People on here are trying to prove in anyway they can that Alex was at fault, and I am overreacting?

Long story short:

A white woman was upset that a black man didn't obey her so she called the conductor. The conductor was mad that a black man didn't obey him, even though he was doing nothing wrong according to MTA's guidelines. The conductor calls the police and LIES about the black man to get him in trouble with the police, handcuffed and escorted off the train.

A tale as old as America.

Most people who have never had a run in with the law would thing they are being arrested if they are put in handcuffs r174. You people are really splitting hairs now. If you listen to his entire post he says they let him go.

A conductor reported that a 31-year-old passenger occupied two seats and “refused to remove his feet from one of the seats.” According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct can include occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

[Quote] Couldn't he have just taken his feet down. He brought this on himself ultimately

[Quote] I'll get my facts straight when people stop saying he had his feet on the seat.

OK R172 it was he legs not his feet but under any circumstance why not comply? now can you calm down and get your facts straight.

[quote] it was he legs not his feet but under any circumstance why not comply?

So you're wrong and I'm right, R177. And you tell me to get my facts straight? Boy, you're stupid.

^ his legs and btw his legs are connected to his feet which may have led to the assumption his feet were on the seat as well.

[quote] why not comply?

R177, maybe because the entire brouhaha was started by a white woman giving him, a grown man and a stranger, an order. Maybe that's what put him off. That and the fact that he wasn't doing a goddamn thing to warrant this cunt's behavior.

In other words, he was exhibiting self-respect. Bitches like her hate that.

She had no right to order him to do anything.

O'Keefe is a a writer of fiction and not everything people post on social media is accurate

R178 and O'Keefe share one trait: arrogance.

r168, do you think any of us were actually there??

Why are you asking us?

R184 Ever hear of a rhetorical question?

There's a very defensive poster here who is harping on details that contradict the police report.

Looks like we have a certain Award-Winning Black Screenwriter here to help us first hand understand why he was thrown off the train.

Now you're reaching, R183. But if proving you wrong makes me arrogant, so be it.

R179 There is a big difference between Legs and Feet on seats. One is disorderly conduct, the other is not. The conductor said his feet were on the seat, which is disorderly conduct. The security footage that the police reviewed showed his Legs, not his feet, were on the seat which isn't disorderly conduct unless it interferes with other passangers.

[quote] maybe because the entire brouhaha was started by a white woman giving him, a grown man and a stranger, an order. Maybe that's what put him off. That and the fact that he wasn't doing a goddamn thing to warrant this cunt's behavior.

So he allowed himself to get out of control instead of acting like an adult, thus requiring police assistance.

And yes, R168, you can stretch out on a seat with your legs on the second seat and your feet dangling off so as not to put them on the actual seat. I used to do this all the time riding Metro North if there was room to spread out. I hate when people put their actual feet on the seats, shoes or no shoes.

R188 He was occupying more than one seat”

According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct can include occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

[quote] the "opposition" doesn't listen and is not interested in any kind of connection or dialogue. You'ver failed to see that, agt this point?

Do you mean like the time recently when one of your extremist goons killed someone whose sole intention was to have an open dialogue with dissenters? That "not interested in any kind of dialogue'? Fool.

If your feet are dangling off, then they are in the aisle to brush off on everyone who passes by. That's even worse r190

R190 ” According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct can include occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

r184, it certainly would seem so. someone is claiming the old white cbick was ordering him around and he didn't have his feet on the seat and while his legs were on the seat, his feet weren't and the woman said something rascist to him etc.

So, either someone was there and saw or someone is making assumptions.

It could just as easily be as simple as

o. w. l. 'hey, can you move your feet out of the aisle so my old ass can go by?'

bg 'sigh, here let me move at your order'

o. w. l. 'you don't have to be a dick about it'

bg 'do you think you can talk to me like that because I am a minority? would you if I was white? fine, here I am, technically moving my feet from the aisle and technically not on the seat'

see? anyone can make up shit like it's true.

R191, it's only an issue if the train was crowded and he wouldn't move it, not because some white woman tells him to.

Some of you REALLY need to question why you really need this black man to be in the wrong.

R192, who the fuck are you even talking about?

R197, they don't need to question--they know why.

Reading O'Keefe's post he's the one who keeps referring to race

'They pulled me off the train and arrested me without even talking to the Karen who reported the one black person on the train. On the platform, the police detained me'

'An old white woman got on the train and immediately pointed at me and told me to correct how I was sitting. I refused, so she went to the conductor and complained'.

.' Only black folks stayed nearby and recorded the arrest'.

If anyone of any color, male or female, was dangling their dirty shoes in aisle. I would applaud any police officer who shot those feet off.

Gee, R199, maybe because it felt so clearly to him that was exactly about race?

Well, at least R200 is being honest in his nihilism.

R191 and r194 go to page seven the MTA description of disorderly conduct. Or better yet just read my post at R164, please.

R191/R194 deflect to no avail.

R199 the old white man sitting next to the white lady referred to his race. Alex clearly says it in his post.

So anyone who questions is rascist? His misogyny and agism is okey dokey but don't use the existence of that to question his character.

Call me Miss Jackson if you're NASTY, putting your filthy shoes in the aisle that everyone needs to walk by.

R193 your personal opinion does not fall under disorderly conduct.

R203 R204 Does the disorderly conduct have to do with his refusing to comply and remove his legs from the seat? Isn't that why the conductor call the police? that he wasn't occupant

No, anyone who acts like a racist is racist. Anyone who purposely singles out a black guy for special attention for violating subsection b of article 2 of the sacred rulebook of riding transit when they would absolutely never do that to a white person is being a racist.

R205 That's Alex's account in which he claims to have been arrested which he was not

Rescue-chick why are you going so hard. Are you really questioning WHY he’s calling her an old white lady after she is getting him handcuffed and kicked off of a train when he was doing nothing to her?

And R209 if that were the case why would the conductor feel the need to lie to the police?

Wow! I thought only awful white men were guilty of manspreading.

AGAIN, why are people so invested in proving this man is wrong. It’s so weird.

Really? Some people want to hang their legal case, and no doubt subsequent appeals, on the fact that he considered being handcuffed and marched off a train the equivalent of being arrested, when in fact, your honors, it was being detained but not arrested, QED, ipso facto, and fuck all forever and ever amen!!!

[Quote] the old white man sitting next to the white lady referred to his race. Alex clearly says it in his post.

so that makes it true?

R211 again, any law abiding citizen would think they are being arrested when they are hauled off in handcuffs. A lot of people aren’t aware of the difference. Alex, on the same account you are citing says he was let go. I would definitely think I was being arrested it cops showed up, put handcuffs on me and escorted me away.

Scroll up r216, you’ve missed a lot.

R218 but he was never arrested

'They pulled me off the train and arrested me without even talking to the Karen'

[quote] His misogyny and agism

r206, that's a stretch. "Old white woman" is hardly misogynist or agist.

Especially if she's an old white woman.

The fact of the matter is he was handcuffed when he wasn’t doing anything wrong. But I guess the lesson for black people is just let others freely trample your right without resisting or attempting to bring it to their attention and wait for your day in court.

Damn r219, you're going to be muttering that on your deathbed, aren't you? But he said arrest and he wasn't technically arrested but he said arrested but he wasn't but he said it ...

The word woman would have sufficed but it seems to offend him that it was an old white woman who asked him or told him to sit properly.

@172 "I'll get my facts straight when people stop saying he had his feet on the seat."

Wait. What am I missing, here. The video states at 00:16 that he "had his feet up on the seat next to him."

Not just my personal opinion r208 blocking the public train aisle with you big ass, smelly feces covered shoes is the very definition of disorderly conduct.

And r226 will be in the next bed, muttering, "shoes, smelly feces covered shoes, blocking the aisles, feces shoes on random seats, NURSE!!!"

R225 the conductor said he had his feet on the seat. Security footage shows his legs, not his feet were on the seat. Legs on the seat are not a violation. Feet are. So the conductor lied to trump up a charge. Legs on a seat are only considered disorderly conduct if it is interfering with the comfort of other passengers. I am sure the conductor is aware of the difference and the reason he knew what to say to get the police there.

I think that’s like the sixth time I posted that.

"the old white man sitting next to the white lady referred to his race. Alex clearly says it in his post"

Please look at the video. There is NO old white man seated next to the elderly white lady. She has the aisle, then an empty seat on one side of her. And in the seat next to her is a younger (middle aged?) woman.

If you can find that in the MTA rule book linked at r164 r226, then I’ll agree with you.

R228 and you can say hundred times, but you've still got it wrong.

According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct CAN INCLUDE occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

He was occupying more than one seat dear.

R229 the old white man is in the video sitting across from her across the aisle. They were all together. He was the one who said, according to Alex, you’re not the minority anymore.

[Quote} maybe because it felt so clearly to him that was exactly about race?

But feelings are not facts

We're not here to stop you from wasting your money hiring an ambulance chaser in your lost cause MTA lawsuit, Alex

"the conductor said he had his feet on the seat. Security footage shows his legs, not his feet were on the seat. Legs on the seat are not a violation." Oh, I get it, thank you. I hadn't seen the security footage.

The conductor told the cops that he had his feet on the seat though, right? So the cops came and he was yelling about "this white woman" - I figured that was the disorderly conduct.

The second someone calls someone a Karen I immediately question the entire interaction. He would have really flipped if she were. interviewed and said 'that young black Jerome'.

I told you all about Helter Skelter.....it's started

Yelling is not good.

And smugness is NOT a good quality!

Gaddammit r232 why must I do all the work. If you’re going to quote something at least be thurough. Here is the FULL rule as written:

[quote] occupy more than one seat on a station, platform or conveyance when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the transit system or the comfort of other passengers.

For the people in the back, hard of hearing or just plain hard headed:

when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the transit system or the comfort of other passengers.

He was not interfering in the comfort of other passengers.

R235 the cops were called FOR disorderly conduct. There was no disorderly conduct however before the cops got there.

He's a writer so he's an artist and passionate.

Yes, he's probably one of those Bohemian types if you know what I mean, and I think you do!

The. disorderly conduct was her behavior to begin with. Everything else was orderly until then.

He’s also uppity or “smug” as r239 says. And that is a cardinal offense in white America. Every black person knows this. We had one of those in the White House. And that’s the main reason Trump is president.

Were you there r244?

Actually r239 was making a silly joke, borrowed from Seinfeld, as we are all descending into really picky nonsense and letting the pickiest points become the whole point of this thread.

Were you, R246? You're weighing in here, too, dear.

He's special.

No, but she thinks she is.

Telling someone how to sit on a train who is minding their own business then sicking the conductor on them may officially be MTA disorderly but it’s definitely out of line r246.

I apologize r239. But the rest of my comment stands.

I'm thinking it's the hanging shoes in the aisle that got her goat.

R251 I think the disorderly part came when he did not comply with the conductor's request and that's when the conductor called the police

And she had to squeeze past.

That scuzzbucket!

Clearly a racist incident.

The old white supremacist bitch should have kept her fucking mouth shut. If it was a white man, you know damn well she wouldn't have said two words. The cunt was just looking to start a fight.

Hopefully he sues and wins millions.

And why the mask?

Show your face, you ancient pile of cunt sweat!

She should have hooked him with her umbrella and pulled him down the aisle.

R254 what would the conductor’s request have been consider Alex wasn’t doing anything wrong? Do what the white lady tells you? It’s like if a conductor tells you to take your headphones off and you don’t comply. Is that disorderly?

R260 Are headphones mentioned in the MTA transit rules of conduct.?

According to New York City Transit Rules of Conduct and Fines, disorderly conduct CAN INCLUDE occupying more than one seat and placing one’s foot on a seat on a “station, platform or conveyance.”

Rules of DL: The woman is always lying. Unless there's a black person present in the story, in which case they are the liar. Unless the woman is making a sexual accusation of some sort, in which case she is back to being the liar.

I've seen enough videos of people out of control on planes, buses, ships, and in airports to know that it's the person on video who is yelling and creating a commotion that is at fault.

If this same scene had played out at an airport and others recorded it, it would properly be labeled as man flips out at elderly woman. O'Keefe has done a good job of almost universally getting people instead to see the woman he's scaring in the video as the one responsible.

She should have minded her own business. It’s not like she needed the seat and it’s not her job to be hall monitor

Maybe she just didn't want her clothes dirtied by his shoes which shouldn't have been there in the aisle as an obstruction.

Was she scared r263? All I'm seeing is that she was annoyed, not really scared. I can't seem to find the video but by the time recording starts, she seems to be sitting a couple aisles away, calm, maybe irritated but not scared. Is there anyone saying that she was actually scared of him or his actions?

R266 Other than R263 NO

-Alex O’Keefe, a former writer for The Bear, was removed by N.Y.C. MTA police officers from a Metro-North train on Thursday, Sept. 18

-The MTA said in a statement obtained by PEOPLE that the way O’Keefe was sitting was breaking an MTA rule

-O'Keefe filmed the interaction and posted it to Instagram, and in the video, he's heard saying, "You called the police to arrest the one Black dude on the train"

People behaving like degenerates deserve to be called out. Dirty feet don’t belong on public seats—period. Yet somehow, when someone gets called out, they’re painted as a victim. Why not just stop the behavior and keep things civil? Or is that too much to ask?

Ah people says his legs were stretched across the adjacent seat. So not in the aisle

If she’s shocked by that she must be a shut in

R270 who said she was shocked?

If I was her, that would have annoyed me too. But I would have moved to another carriage so I would not have to keep seeing it.

I know that it’s not kind of me , but someone needs to stomp that entitled old cunt into the ground.

FORMER writer for The Bear tells us everything we need to know.

I've never seen The Bear. Apparently it is about a chef and has been praised for its realistic kitchen depictions. I hope they don't put their shoes on the work counters.

In his own statement, he said: "The last thing any Black man wants is a viral arrest video. I worked my entire life in politics and culture to be treated with respect, and to make our country a better place. But my accomplishments and awards cannot protect me from the violence we’ve all normalized. American life is full of brutal irony."He continued: "Let’s be honest, a 31-year old white man in business casual would never be violently pulled off a train and detained because one customer deemed their sitting 'disrespectful.' Sitting while Black is not illegal. The MTA code of conduct does not mandate any standard way of sitting. Unlawful sitting is not real. This incident was a series of power trips, white authority figures flexing their dominance over a Black man. The MTA allowed a debate about my posture spiral into a dangerous interaction with police."

Is she gay?

He's hot. I totally believe him.

A lot of white people can be the fucking worst. And I'm white gay man, so I know of what I speak.

He wouldn't have been arrested if he were white.

Considering that statement @ r276 is almost word for word the majority of defense posts in this thread, it's guaranteed that Miss Thang has had a busy day here.

He was acting like an asshole. He wasn’t arrested. All he had to do was put his legs down. Anyone thinking for a second that he wasn’t belligerent during this is an idiot. First thing he does is say it was over a WHITE lady. That says it all. He has a chip on his shoulder and he’s a member of the I’m oppressed, gimme gimme gimme group. Fuck him. Histrionics on full display. Another Jussie.

[quote] His name is Alexander O'Keefe for godsakes.

What's that supposed to prove?

Excuse me but why was it the job of some other passenger to get this guy in trouble for "not obeying the rules?" Were his actions preventing her from comfortably riding on the train?

With him writing for the Dems no wonder they are losing.

She just made the conductor aware of the issue. She didn't get him into trouble. He did that to himself.

[quote]She just made the conductor aware of the issue.

Which was none of her business, the racist witch.

Anyway, I saw where they identified her and found her phone number on social media.

Wait until The View and national media gets a hold of this.

Her entitled, privileged ass should have sat there with her mouth shut.

What trouble was he inviting, R283? What CRIME was he committing again?

He's not another Jussie, R279. You really don't see the difference between Smollett actually committing a crime and this guy? I guess they're all the same to you.

R283 You're rationalizing. I'll bet you're a snitch, like her.

He's just lucky the MTA didn't release his real name instead of that phony "Alexander O'Keefe" pseudonym.

Who does he think he's fooling?

What's he hiding?

The basic attitude for all the pseudo-racists here is that he should have done the bidding of the white woman and that was his crime.

I'll bet you're a snitch, like her.

R285 - I bet you put your feet on train seats.

[quote] He's just lucky the MTA didn't release his real name instead of that phony "Alexander O'Keefe" pseudonym.

What are you banging on about, you silly old queen R287?

Oops meant to reply to R286.

Creating a fake White name like "Alexander O'Keefe" might have helped him try to break into the entertainment business, but after this little skirmish with the authorities and his own publicity as Queen of Black Injustice, he might want to consider going back to his birth name.

What would that be, R292? Tyrone Washington, maybe? By the way, any receipts about that not being his real name?

How about sharing fond memories of you and your family celebrating St. Patricks Day?

Come on--aren't you clever enough to come up with a real "black" name, R292? You can do it. I'm sure you must have all kinds of ghetto names for a member of a race you can't abide.

Boy, what a coward r292 is--she doesn't want to admit that she thinks all blacks are really ghetto and they can only fake their way out.

Sure - r295 Anything not "Alexander O'Keefe". Throw out accusations all you want, you ain't fooling anyone.

Because that's too white for you, huh, Miss R297? What am I fooling anyone about?

[quote]R147 Why no outrage here that from the video it shows that the train conductor who called the police was also a black man?

There’s always going to be a few Uncle Tom and Stepin Fetchit types sprinkled around, eager to comply with Massa to save their own necks.

R297 is the one who's not fooling anyone. She doesn't like uppity Negroes. And anyone who has a "white sounding" name is being phony and can't be trusted. Right? Why don't you have the guts to admit it? Yeah, you're really not fooling anyone.

R292 is like Candace Owens, who think Brigitte Macron isn't a woman.

I think we should refer to r292 as Candace Owens, since that's who she sounds like.

[quote]R168 so if his legs were on the seat ,where were his feet ? In the aisle ?

No - he took his feet off and put them in his pocket, Rose.

I'm sure the O'Keefe family is so proud.

Why shouldn't they be, R304? He's a TV writer. What do you do?

Yeah, all the blowhards piss off when they're called on their shit, like Miss Candace Owens at R292.

It's incredible how this person can make these claims and then all the major media outlets treat it as a fact (with a few "allegedly" thrown in for cover) with no pushback and no discussion. If a story fits a highly desired narrative, like this one does, it goes in with no questions asked.

You're talking about the old woman, right, R307?

[quote]R240 [According to the municipal code] He was not interfering in the comfort of other passengers.

He was interfering with the old Klan Granny’s MENTAL comfort, goddammit!

No r305 he WAS a TV writer. I have a job where I use my real birth name, not some obviously fake name like "Alexander O'Keefe".

Huh, R310. It's really on you to prove it's a fake name. And he's still a writer.

I see the influence of your hero Dump when he insisted Obama wasn't born here, R310. And here you are insisting a black man couldn't possibly be honest and is a fraud--motivated because they're black, of course. Right?

If anything, the MTA police would have been LESS likely to arrest a black man, if only to avoid the insane drama that occurs whenever this happens.

Could have spared himself the hassle by just putting his feet on the floor. Maybe the older lady is in cognitive decline and/or she thought (or saw that) his legs were blocking people as they passed by. He kept yelling that she was a white woman and he was somehow a victim of that. Just put your feet on the floor and ignore her afterwards. (She looks elderly and a little confused.)

Obviously "Alexander O'Keefe" is still a writer r311 he just wrote that complete fiction of what happened that gave the MTA Police no other choice but to handcuff him and get him off that train when he was disrupting hundreds of people's lives on the train line.

But of course, other people's time is of no concern to "Alexander O'Keefe".

So what's his real name, R315?

[quote] when he was disrupting hundreds of people's lives on the train line

Wow. That's a complete lie. Do you lie about wverything, R315?

Everyone might wonder why R315 hates this particular black guy whom he's going out of his way to lie about. Is it just him or all black people you hate? I'm sorry you're such a failure in life, but no reason to go after a successful black man. Maybe get some mental help.

I saw the thread headline as black screenwriter pulls white lady from under train.

He's the racist, that's for sure.

The racists are certainly persistent

You refuse to acknowledge the truth even when it's biting you in the ass. I don't know what the lady said but he couldn't stop calling her "a white woman", "the white woman", "that white woman." What would you call a white guy who spoke like that about a black lady?