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"Band of Gold" (1970 - 1986)

"Band of Gold" was a Top 10 hit for Freda Payne in 1970. It was later recorded and released in 1986 by both Bonnie Tyler and Belinda Carlisle. Tyler's version didn't chart in the US (it's the best one, IMO) and neither did Carlisle's. But the song lyrics have always been controversial. As explained in Wiki:

The song tells a story which is open to a number of interpretations – based on the lyrics in the most commonly heard version of the song, which is the seven-inch single, the story is of a recently married woman whose husband is incapable of loving her (even though he tried), resulting in the couple sleeping in separate rooms on their honeymoon, to her dismay. It would appear that the marriage ended in the husband's abandoning his bride, leaving her with no more than the "band of gold" of the title (and the dreams she invested in it). Allusions to the husband either being impotent or gay have been suggested as the cause of the breakdown of the relationship. Robert Christgau, writing in The Village Voice, alluded to the song as being "about wedding-night impotence";[7] Steve Huey of AllMusic also deciphered the song as being about the man being impotent – "being unable to perform".[8]

An earlier studio recorded version of the song includes some lyrics which were cut from the seven-inch single, which reveal the story as somewhat different. The couple were young, the girl was either a virgin or sexually inexperienced. She was still living at home ("You took me from the shelter of my mother"), the boy was her first boyfriend ("I had never known or loved any other"), and the relationship was probably unconsummated ("and love me like you tried before"). The couple rush into marriage and the relationship crashes on the wedding night, when the woman rejects her groom's advance ("And the night I turned you away”) [citation needed] emotionally wounding him, resulting in him leaving her. After the hurt she had caused, they spend their wedding night in separate rooms. She then expresses her regret at her mistake ("And the dream of what love could be, if you were still here with me").

According to Ron Dunbar, when interviewed in the documentary Band of Gold – The Invictus Story,[9] he encouraged Freda Payne to learn the lyrics to the song despite her reluctance, Payne saying, "This makes no sense to me." Dunbar told her, "You don't have to like it, just sing it!"[10] Dunbar continues: "I dubbed that tune 25, maybe 30 times just to get enough parts of it that we could edit to get the song."

Dunbar continued: "They said this song is a smash in the gay community. And I said, gay community? They said, yeah man, it's a smash. And I says, why is it that? And they said, well it's what the lyrics are saying. She said the guy couldn't make love to her so they figured he had to be gay! And I said oh no! And I remembered when they said that to me and I listened back to the song and there was a part in there... because I remembered when we were editing that tune, it was too long, so we had to cut a section out of the tune so the section we cut out of the song really brought the whole song [story] together."

The lyrics which Dunbar cut in the final edit which he was referring to were made to reduce the length of the single from three minutes 43 seconds down to the final two minutes 53 seconds. These were taken from the first verse – "And the memories of our wedding day, and the night I turned you away" – these were effectively substituted with, "And the memories of what love could be, if you were still here with me"; and a larger bridge – "Each night, I lie awake and I tell myself, the vows we made gave you the right, to have a love each night." [citation needed] – which is repeated again later in the song, cutting 18 seconds twice over from the song. With further refinements in the arrangements, including a heavier, richer bassline, and a different vocal take, a further 14 seconds were shaved off the final released seven-inch single.

Which explanation do you agree with ?

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by Anonymousreply 37September 25, 2025 7:12 PM

Here's the Belinda Carlisle version from 1986. Tyler's is better (IMO) because she comes across very emotional, very angry - which makes sense for the story in the song.

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by Anonymousreply 1September 21, 2025 3:12 AM

R1, I like Belinda but her voice sounds especially tinny there and it doesn't work for the song.

by Anonymousreply 2September 21, 2025 3:15 AM

Here's the original 1970 version from Freda Payne. It went to #3 in 1970.

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by Anonymousreply 3September 21, 2025 3:15 AM

R2 I agree. There's no emotion in her voice like Payne's and Tyler's. You can't take her seriously telling the story.

by Anonymousreply 4September 21, 2025 3:16 AM

Freda Payne sang that song well.

by Anonymousreply 5September 21, 2025 3:21 AM

I've just listened to all three versions, and yes, Bonnie Tyler's is the best. But musically, the song is just kind of a dud? I don't find it catchy or interesting at all.

by Anonymousreply 6September 21, 2025 3:34 AM

It's Freda's song.

by Anonymousreply 7September 21, 2025 4:14 AM

Everyone involved has their own version of events, but Lamont Dozier maintained the groom was meant to be gay and I believe him.

by Anonymousreply 8September 21, 2025 4:19 AM

I think the groom was gay. In 1970, the song was way ahead of its time.

by Anonymousreply 9September 21, 2025 4:03 PM

So in one version the husband was gay and the other the wife was a lesbian. Got it.

by Anonymousreply 10September 21, 2025 4:09 PM

I prefer the Freda Payne version, she has the voice of a woman just barely out of childhood, which is much more suited to the lyrics. Bonnie Tyler sounds way too experienced to find herself in a situation like that, also the baroque 80s production feels too artificial, the warm live soul orchestrations feel so much more grounded and emotionally authentic

by Anonymousreply 11September 21, 2025 4:31 PM

[quote]So in one version the husband was gay and the other the wife was a lesbian. Got it.

Now that you 'got it' can you give it to us - namely, where there's any mention the wife is a lesbian ?

Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 12September 21, 2025 6:49 PM

Freda not wanting to record it add the je ne sais quoi of annoyance

by Anonymousreply 13September 21, 2025 7:01 PM

I didn't know Payne was a big enough singing star to hold that kind of power back then. She dictated the lyrics she would sing ? Go Freda !

by Anonymousreply 14September 21, 2025 7:03 PM

I still think Liza should’ve turned this into a dance hit after David Gest.

by Anonymousreply 15September 21, 2025 7:12 PM

Freda Payne's vocal timbre sounds weirdly like Tony DeFranco's, except she has soul.

But have you ever seen the two of them in the same room?

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by Anonymousreply 16September 21, 2025 7:42 PM

[quote] [R2] I agree. There's no emotion in her voice like Payne's and Tyler's. You can't take her seriously telling the story.

That was the style at the time.

Dionne Warwick used to sing all those syrupy Burt Bacharach-Hal David songs with zero emotional inflection, and the songs were actually the better for it. Karen carpenter sang her songs the same way too--with a beautiful voice, but with little emotional interpretation otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 17September 21, 2025 7:45 PM

R17 Great points. It's been said many times this is why Streisand stood out from the rest during the 60s and early 70s - she brought a lot of emotion into her singing, something not many others could / would do. (Take, for example, her recording of "My Man" in 1968 compared to other female singers at the time - hers brings shivers down your spine).

by Anonymousreply 18September 21, 2025 8:07 PM

Not every singer has over-sing, sound overwrought, and torture a song to convey emotion. Warwick mostly sang Bachrach/David pop songs precisely how they and wanted it to sound. Contrast those to the (Theme From) Valley of the Dolls by the Previns. She could sing with emotion.

Karen Carpenter? Please, get over yourself. Go shiver your timbers with Barbra and let the rest of us alone.

by Anonymousreply 19September 22, 2025 2:06 AM

Freda’s version is the best. You guys are just 80s queens.

Freda’s version sounds like she’s in despair against a funky beat.

Belinda and Bonnie’s versions are just 80s karaoke. The words get lost over the 80’s sound.

by Anonymousreply 20September 22, 2025 2:13 AM

[quote] Karen Carpenter? Please, get over yourself. Go shiver your timbers with Barbra and let the rest of us alone.

What is wrong with you??

by Anonymousreply 21September 22, 2025 2:19 AM

[quote]What is wrong with you??

What is wrong with you?? Not everyone worships the overwrought and oversung stylings of Streisand. Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of her songs. But much of it is just overdone. To denigrate other great singers who sing different types of songs in a different manner is just silly.

by Anonymousreply 22September 23, 2025 12:55 AM

Trivia about Belinda and Bonnie's recordings: they both came out at basically the same times, but there were copyright obligation problems and their labels were fighting over who had the legitimate authority to release it as a single. Ultimately, to save legal arguments and lots of money, IRS records (Belinda's label) - simply chose to release it as a 12-inch disc with some added remakes and extended mixes. This allowed them to get it out on the market before Bonnie's. Ultimately, it didn't do anything for either Belinda or Bonnie. And Belinda even invited Freda to sing back-up vocals on her extended mix...this proved to be disastrous, because Freda' vocal trounced Belinda's vocals. They even appeared on Solid Gold together. Belinda was quoted as saying that Freda was a bit'%$ and that she should never had invited her to sing on her recording.

by Anonymousreply 23September 23, 2025 1:03 AM

You seniors really had the best music OP

by Anonymousreply 24September 23, 2025 8:15 AM

[quote] Belinda was quoted as saying that Freda was a bit'%$ and that she should never had invited her to sing on her recording.

I’d be a bitch too if I were reduced to singing background on my own hit song.

by Anonymousreply 25September 23, 2025 8:48 AM

Tyler's version is...Tyler's version.

by Anonymousreply 26September 23, 2025 10:57 AM

[quote]I’d be a bitch too if I were reduced to singing background on my own hit song.

Sometimes, it works when the original artist joins a remake by another artist. I think it's all about production - and in Belinda's case, they basically wasted Freda's contribution.

In 1991, Bebe and CeCe Wynans recorded and released a cover of the Staples Singers' 70s hit "I'll Take You There". At the end of the song, Mavis Staples joins in and they sing as a trio to close the song. It's very powerful as a gospel - R&B song. It topped the R&B charts and peaked at #90 on the Hot 100. I don't think it would've captured as much attention without Mavis as the guest vocal.

by Anonymousreply 27September 23, 2025 11:31 AM

I think the original lyrics (cut in Freda’s well known version) do tell a bit more of a story, with the bride rejecting the groom as part of it, and it’s probably what the songwriters intended.

But part of the song’s pull in the Freda version is that — similar to “Ode To Billie Joe” — its ambiguity invites the listener to wonder (and never know) what exactly happened, and why. And the groom being a closeted homo is definitely a leading contender.

by Anonymousreply 28September 23, 2025 11:44 AM

I miss the 60s/70s when song lyrics actually told a story - such as this one and 'Ode to Billy Joe' as you mentioned. A talent so very rare these days.

by Anonymousreply 29September 23, 2025 11:49 AM

[quote] I miss the 60s/70s when song lyrics actually told a story - such as this one and 'Ode to Billy Joe' as you mentioned. A talent so very rare these days.

"Harper Valley PTA" for the win!!!

by Anonymousreply 30September 23, 2025 12:23 PM

I call those true ballads. They tell a story.

by Anonymousreply 31September 23, 2025 12:32 PM

hey... anybody?

written by the former Motown production team Holland–Dozier–Holland, who used the pseudonym Edythe Wayne for the copyright, and their collaborator Ron Dunbar. Due to a lawsuit with Motown after leaving the label, the Holland–Dozier–Holland trio couldn't use their names, so they used the alias Edythe Wayne while also crediting Dunbar, who worked at their new Invictus Records

by Anonymousreply 32September 23, 2025 3:19 PM

[Quote] "You took me from the shelter of my mother"

was she living in a shelter?

by Anonymousreply 33September 24, 2025 6:01 PM

[Quote] resulting in the couple sleeping in separate rooms on their honeymoon,

Did they happen to be adjoining rooms?

by Anonymousreply 34September 24, 2025 6:21 PM

No one has brought up the Sylvester disco-version?

by Anonymousreply 35September 25, 2025 1:54 AM

I want to vote answer 1, due to answer 2. Does that mean other?

by Anonymousreply 36September 25, 2025 2:16 AM

What other top 40 hits did Freda have?

Does she have a rep for being a bitch in the industry?

by Anonymousreply 37September 25, 2025 7:12 PM
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