Fergie never cut ties with Jeffrey Epstein, sending him a profusely obsequious apology e-mail

Once trash, always trash.

Sarah, Duchess of York is my favorite of the royal clan.

Kindly stop demeaning her.

He paid off her debts so she needed him.

Must be a really slow day at the Daily Fail when they have to revert to slagging off Fergie.

In 2011, Fergie publicly admitted accepting a sum of money from Jeffrey Epstein. The money was intended to help her pay off a debt to her former personal assistant.

Did she let him suck her toes?

Follow the money.

Wow. She could’ve gotten a loan from literally ANYONE ELSE WHO ISN’T A PEDO!

^^Maybe not.

This is terrible?

Any comment from her former co-workers Renee Sands? Rhasaan "The Kid" Patterson?? Martika???

The more I learn about Andrew and what a complete asshole he was - lazy, totally entitled - but a smiling, jovial person in front of the cameras - the more I think these two were a match.

I've tried to defend this bitch for decades - lord knows I tried - because there was something about her that I liked.

But alas - I have to admit when I was wrong. Fuck her - fuck her ex-husband - fuck her taking money for influence with Andrew and the royal family.

I have to say - Britain pegged this one accurately a long time ago. Sorry to say I was so late to see it.

I wondered how she managed to get herself so far in debt (to the tune of $5M) that she was in arrears to an employee. She lived and lives rent-free at Royal Lodge, didn't own any property back then, her wardrobe never looks all that great, she's the type of person who doesn't entertain but is entertained, and doesn't seem to own jewelry (the Garrard's tiara given as a gift for her wedding has not been seen). She vacations a lot, though. Gambling problem?

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She's the Ghislaine Maxwell of the Royals. Did she pimp out her own two? No wonder Willy won't let her near Charlotte.🤮

R14 Whoa! Is she making that face on purpose?

I used to spend too much time on UK Twitter and they are obsessed with pedos, I once asked why and someone replied that the whole Jimmy Saville thing played a part, like he was beloved by the country but a scumbag nonetheless, hiding in plain sight, how could they not have known, stamp out pedos, never again etc

Pandrew should have married the much classier Koo Stark when he had the chance.

R15 - She may have been adjusting to her face post-cosmetic procedures. I think she looked extraordinarily smooth at the Duchess of Kent's funeral mass.

"Did she let him suck her toes?"

No, but Eugenie & Beatrice obliged.

Leave Sarah alone. It was 2011. She was trying to survive when she accepted the money and wrote the thank you notes. She was trying to keep her head above water during challenging times. I realize that Sarah is is no longer technically royal, but she's royal adjacent with patronages and all the obligations that come with the association. And her former husband was a deadbeat. Sarah hustles despite it all.

The royal family frowns on its members working, which is why they all have to do so much work for charity. But these "adjacent royals" are basically thrown to the wolves to survive. They can't work, but they are still expected to make a living, make appearances, dress well and not ask the king for money. It's a goddamn scrutinizing life with no real assets upon which to draw. I know that Sarah has screwed up in the past, but I'm only offering another perspective on this expensive lifestyle with no foundation unless you have a direct line to the throne with a nonstop flow of money from the taxpayers.

Focus on Trump and his association with Epstein.

[Quote] paedophile

What a fun spelling, I like to think it rhymes with “play-doh file.”

Sure, it's not easy to be in the position Fergie has been in for years now, but she's sketchy and when married, her and Andrew were super entitled . As far as raising needed cash, there's a difference between writing children's books and selling access to your ex-husband. Do remember what the rif between her and Diana was about? What was she thinking?

Didn't Diana cut Fergie loose because, in Fergie's bio, she had said she borrowed shoes from Diana and caught a wart on her feet from it?

Do these charities pay their patrons a salary or appearance fees? Just wondering why she was desperate to lose the patronages. Is it a bargaining chip with the monarch, saying that you need more salary to serve the patronages?

How much money did she accept from Epstein?

I cannot believe you sickos defending Fergie for grifting human trafficking money from the world’s biggest pedophile.

I guess there’s absolutely nothing you won’t defend these royal leeches for.

And Big Liz sat by, doing nothing.

SMDH

Officially it was 15k. But it turned out to be 2 million. She must spend a lot of time in Monte Carlo. It certainly isn't on clothes. Maybe it's drugs.

Big Liz was like a false god. Years on from her death it is obvious she was worshipped as some kind of untouchable goddess by the plebs.

[quote] Wow. She could’ve gotten a loan from literally ANYONE ELSE WHO ISN’T A PEDO!

Unlikely. He was literally paying for access.

R20, a couple of FYIs for you:

Sarah no longer has any patronages - they all ditched her overnight as most were involved with the welfare of children so based on the latest revelations, they justifiably decided that continuing a relationship with her wasn't a good look.

She has been trying to survive financially all her life and not doing a very good job of it.

The current issues with her are not that she accepted a "loan" from Epstein but when he was convicted for trafficking underage girls she put out a statement disowning him and saying that she deplored paedophilia and wished that she had never met him. She then seemed to have been forgiven for an error of judgement. The issue is that within weeks she secretly wrote him a letter - just revealed - that she didn't mean the statement and begging for his forgiveness. So she's not just been proven, again, to be a liar, she continued to support him despite his conviction. I'm $ure that nobody know$ why that i$. She's a survivor alright!

She's only "royal adjacent" in that she lives in Windsor Great Park in her ex-husband's house. That's the ex-husband who you yourself has called a deadbeat. Keeping it classy, eh Sarah?

If she had a shred of dignity she would have taken the miniscule payout that she stupidly accepted in the divorce, gotten a financial advisor to invest it wisely for her and moved into an anonymous bungalow somewhere low key and taken a job in a shop, rebadged as Sarah Ferguson eventually fading into the background. Instead she blew the lot while continuing to indulge her own greed on all the toys that she expected as the former HRH Duchess of York and never shutting the fuck up.

Mark Phillips and Tony Snowdon both divorced members of the royal family but wisely kept in the background and luckily had careers to fall back on. Sarah's one job that is known about was as a "chalet girl" (aka cook and cleaner) in Verbier where she glommed onto Paddy Mcnally, a wealthy Irish widower who lived there but who had no intention of marrying her, then she sloped back to the UK and hey presto got together with her meal ticket Prince Andrew.

The royal family has never expected her to keep her patronages and alleged charity work - she set those up herself while continuing to publicise herself at every opportunity. They appear to have wished that after the divorce she would simply go away.

I know that she has her apologists on this board but I can't see this latest scandal happen to a more deserving person.

Has will.i.am commented?

You know that Queen Elizabeth brought up and enabled these people. If anybody told her about what Andrew was doing they'd find themselves demoted. She put on the greatest act known to man. People are still so enamored of the 'Great' Queen it's going to be awhile before anyone is going to be able to do an accurate biography of her ruthlessness, corruption and collusions with people like Epstein through her son. This way he didn't have to keep asking her for money. She never even read her sister the riot act and Margaret was an entitled nasty piece of shit which everyone knew.

Margaret may have been entitled and nasty but I don't know if there's any record of her trying to sell access to the Queen.

You can hardly compare the two, R30.

And all this after the recent publication of Andrew Lownie's biography of Andrew. Lownie is an acclaimed author (books on Mountbatten and Edward VIII) - and the biography is said to unearth yet more about Andrew's awfulness in detail. I've quite often heard commentators on the recent new lows for the Yorks, when asked if there's 'any way back' - answer simply, 'No.'

[quote]If she had a shred of dignity she would have taken the miniscule payout that she stupidly accepted in the divorce, gotten a financial advisor to invest it wisely for her and moved into an anonymous bungalow somewhere low key and taken a job in a shop

Honestly, how many people who have had a taste a royalty and all in entails, would leave it all behind to become a shop girl?

She’s not a spring chicken, either.

This is all so unsurprising & reminds me of that line from Casablanca: I don't mind a parasite; I object to a cut rate one.

Fergie's been a parasite for a long time now and probably only survived by the fact that she's so hapless & bungling, the BRF has to look out for her or she'll end up leaving out of a dumpster

No she didn't sell access to the Queen but she accepted fabulous gifts(like and island)and brought a lot of bad publicity to the monarchy. And she had a friend on the island who pretty much called her a leach. Her treatment of people and servants is notorious.

an island

R33 I was referring to 1996 when she was divorced. "Shopgirl" - now that's a snobbish expression! I was being facetious but she surely had enough above the board contacts thirty years ago to have found some light employment for somebody dim with zero taste, otherwise I would have suggested an art gallery. This could have shown that she was ready to supplement any income from her divorce payout being invested. Besides, better to be a lowly shopgirl than a grifter or enabler of a notorious convicted underage trafficker.

Maybe in one of those twee nic nac shops in the Cotswolds? She'd attract the curious so long as she kept her hands out of the till.

I used to have a soft spot for Fergie, but the bitch is absolutely shameless. She and her vile ex husband should live the rest of their lives in exile…and not in a home subsidized by tax payers.

R35 there are plenty of salacious stories about Margaret without you needing to make stuff up.

She was not given an island. She was given a plot of land by the husband of one of her closest friends who had bought the island which was largely undeveloped with a view to turning it into a destination for the wealthy looking for privacy - much like Mustique is today. She chose an ideal spot and then had her husband's uncle Oliver Messel - an acclaimed architect and designer - design the house - Les Jolie Eaux.

Her spending every winter there along with stories about louche goings on attracted the people who Lord Glenconner was looking for when giving her the land, so it was win/win. And as he apparently was an equally horrible person to her it sounds like a deal made in heaven. So what if Glenconner called her a leach? Other people have said much worse.

I never claimed that she was a saint - everybody knows that she was a largely dreadful person - but you're drawing a long bow between her being who she was and her former niece by marriage who is a crook still trading on the title that she lost in 1996.

Why Charles has anything to do with Andrew and Fergie and Harry is to me keeping his enemies close. There must be a lot of darkness that is being kept hidden. He is undermining William and probably making him and Katherine deeply unhappy and doesn't care. He is leaving William a mess along with many reasons to abolish the monarchy. The kind of nationalism they represent has disappeared for England and why taxpayers are still paying some of their bills is beyond comprehension. A unified England belongs to the history books and old movies.

Doesn't Fergie have family of her own to look after her? If nothing else, both of her sons-in-law, while not extravagantly wealthy, are definitely well-off. Her daughters and/or her own family of origin should be taking care of her.

Corecting myself above - Margaret's house was on Mustique. I meant to say "much like St Barts is today".

Her daughters possibly subsidise her. As both presumably were set up with trust funds by the Queen Mother and Queen Elizabeth (we'll never know for sure) and again, presumably, these were tightly set up so that Mummy couldn't get her greedy paws on the cash, they have surely both come into the trusts now they are both fortyish.

Maybe they're happy to keep Fergie at arm's length out in Berkshire - just imagine having that mess as your mother-in-law, stumbling unannounced up the front drive half drunk!

Only half?

Cut the bitch and Andrew off and sell the mini-palace they've been living in.

If they still want to live together, they can do it in a modest two-bedroom middle-class flat.

Or, being over 65, they can go directly into a retirement home, can't they?

Sarah's just hopeless. Although there's something likable about her, she turns out to be something of an idiot.

Andrew owns that house given to him by the Queen. And he has the money to maintain it. So forcing him to leave it I would think is impossible.

yOu cAn’T bE HaLf-In HaLf-OuT!

He doesn’t own the house, he has a 100 year lease. Anyway can you imagine Andrew and Fergie exiled to Dubai?

Fergie is a useful idiot (but she’s not quite an idiot. After decades of grovelling, the Queen let her have that Chelsea home with the deeds in Beatrice’s and Eugenie’s names.)

The Mail has had this letter for years, ready to publish.

She’s being thrown under the bus.

Don't think every last one of the rotten Mountbatten-Windsors would behave any differently to someone waving millions at them. Including Charles. They’re all as grasping and slimy and weasley about money as the next.

Fergie a sweaty bumbling mess at Eugenie's wedding. Beatrice assigned to being her mother's handler that day and couldn't serve as maid of honor, more important to keep crazy mum in check. Hasn't Andrew called her a "cow" on more than one occasion?

When Charles was attempting to evict Andrew from the Royal Lodge, I read that Eugenie and Beatrice bought a house in the Mayfair section of London just in case Mom and Dad needed a roof over their heads.

If he wants to preserve the monarchy, William ought to reduce the number of "royals" period to his immediate family when he becomes king. Who's left as "working" members besides him and his wife now? The King and Queen, the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh, the Princess Royal, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester. Death will carry them off.

Or else, it's the non revolutionary version of "Off with their heads!"

R20/R53 the corrupt ,perverted, obsolete cosplay grifters know as your "Beloved Royals" are always the exception heh? You doty Royalass cultists are just as ridiculous as Trumptards. 6 of 1

The Duchess is the exemplar of not being able to be "half in, half out." On the one hand I have empathy for someone who has so many struggles but what is she able to do? Even if she had a profession or a skill, the press about her working as a normal Londoner would be merciless. The role of "children's book author" has a patina of respectability but it's a notorious business because everyone thinks they can do it. Also, the whole "remember the kids, we're doing it for the children of the world" is the last refuge of scoundrels (see Jackson, M.).

I think that there is only so much work for working royals to do -- they're not held in such awe as they once were. After the Kents and Gloucesters are gone, it would make sense for William to contain the "working royal" slot to the King and Queen, and their children. I think the intractable refusal to reconcile with other family members will do the family some long-lasting damage, but they have to figure out what to do with the ancillary members for whom there is no role.

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They both should do a big public Mea culpa. Say they fucked up completely and are moving out of whatever castle they’re living in. And beg the public not to take out their indiscretions on their kids. And then move in with one of the kids and be done with it. Frankly, I’m worried Fergie might hurt herself over this latest disgrace. They’re both entitled assholes who have treated people terribly but I hope this doesn’t end in yet another tragedy.

R40 agree. Margaret could be horrible—pulled rank constantly, imperious, etc.—but she never said a a neg thing about her family and supported the Queen to the hilt. Even Diana loved her and didn’t hold it against her when Margaret stopped speaking to her after the Panorama interview.

And she was supportive of Lady Glenconner’s son who had AIDS. Visiting him and never turning her back on him.

She was a bitch but a loyal bitch. A true DLer!

R55 except that Fergie has only ever been half in half out in her head. She is simply the ex wife of the buffoon disgraced Duke of York who she divorced nearly 30 years ago and she's never been able to let go.

All of the patronages that she has since accumulated (until this week) appear to have been set up to publicise herself - "See? I'm still royal!". I'm really not sure what the patronages got out of it as her reputation has descended from clumsy harmless dimwit to grifter, seller of access (she wanted half a million pounds for access to Andrew in that tabloid sting) and supporter of a convicted sex trafficker.

My favourite stunt of hers was when she did a reality TV show - referenced in the Fail link above - in which she claimed to move into a council estate in Hull and advised a family of six on how they could live well on only £80 a week. The best quote: "I could live in a council house and below the benefit line, of course. Anyone could." Well, time to step up, Fergie, and show how it's done!

Oh, and the reference to her then current home being in a Manhattan penthouse - I wonder who was paying for that?

[QUOTE]"I could live in a council house and below the benefit line, of course. Anyone could."

Whoa. That takes some unmitigated gall, or extreme stupidity, or more likely a combo. She had always lived on someone else's dime by virtue of her father's proximity and service to the Queen and later her rich race car driver boyfriend, and then Andrew before she was cut loose to make her own way. No life skills besides sucking up.

We had a poster who knew of her through an employer in Switzerland during the time she was involved with the older race car driver (who never intended to marry her). She had a friend at the DLrr's employer's office whom she'd call constantly. This person described her as extremely emotionally needy.

It's a good thing she has her daughters because she's not just going to be dropped from her charities, her friends are probably going to stop calling, too.

The tragically funny thing about this latest scandal is, Fergie looked like the cat that got the cream at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral. There she was, by invitation of The King, standing amongst the royal family, chatting with the Waleses and everyone else. For a brief moment she probably thought her days in the cold were over. Sadly, she probably couldn’t be any further from everything she ever wanted.

[quote]R61 Fergie looked like the cat that got the cream at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral.

Kent - - was she the one who set off Blackamoorgate?

The Duchess is the exemplar of a grifting slag.

fixed for R55

[QUOTE]The Mail has had this letter for years, ready to publish.

No. it's not a long-in-the-making conspiracy with the RF. The e-mail (not a letter) was among the documents released by the U.S. Congressional Oversight Committee late August or earlier this month. The same batch of documents that led to Mandelson's firing.

[QUOTE]Fergie looked like the cat that got the cream at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral.

This is the reason. They were waiting for her to do something egregiously stupid to release the contents for maximum impact and humiliation. It's what the British tabloids do (along with revealing sordid contents to the subject and blackmailing them for an interview). They lucked out quickly and hit a bigger than anticipated jackpot when she yukked it up at the beloved Duchess of Kent's funeral mass. (No, r62 that's Princess Michael who's married to the younger brother)

I'm curious, what would happen if Andrew and Fergie decided to spill the beans on Trump raping underage girls? Provided they know with certainty he was involved with Epstein's trafficking.

[quote] I'm curious, what would happen if Andrew and Fergie decided to spill the beans on Trump raping underage girls

Why on earth would they do that, R65? Two disgraced members of the Royal Family actively calling the president of the US a pedophile? How would that work for them? Considering Andrew fucked an underage girl...

Fergie and Andrew were showered with money their whole lives. If they don’t have any now it’s only because they wasted it all. No one in the RF is deprived of anything; they always have connections and a very nice roof over their heads.

The RF is, however, in a strange transitional phase. Up until the 20th Century, the whole aristocratic set was there to be depraved. They didn’t even raise their own children. Nothing that they had was connected to merit or hard work. The idea that they need to be decent people and face the consequences of their actions is, well, middle class. If people really feel that way about it they can abolish the monarchy, but Britain has done that twice already and twice has brought it back. Someone has to wear the jewels and inspire all the books and dramas.

Trafficked, but not underage in the UK. Surely he wouldn't fuck underage girls in the U.S. Could he be so dense as to not know age of consent laws are stricter here? Or did he really think he was untouchable?

Andrew probably kept Fergie away from his sexual activities in the Epstein circle. He, of all people, should know she's a loose cannon. Would he have bragged about sexual exploits with girls their daughter's ages at the time? I don't want to think other men are as depraved as Trump.

Jesus, as I finished typing that last sentence, I remembered he planted his hand on Eugenie's ass when the Yorks went out to look at floral tributes left by the public after the Queen's death. 🤢

A perfect example of the Yorks being showered with money was their first marital home - Sunninghill Park - a gift from the late Queen. In 2007 it was sold for $US19.7 million which was $US 4 million OVER the asking price. The buyer was a Kazak businessman worth $US10 billion with a dubious reputation with whom Andrew had connected when UK Trade Envoy. Why would anybody pay more, no matter how rich?

Then the Kazakh bloke did a renovation on the house then let the house fall into disrepair before it was demolished having never been lived in. Why would anybody do that?

But wait, there's more! After the Yorks' divorce Andrew moved into his current home Royal Lodge, which had been the Queen Mother's Windsor home, taking a 75 year lease. Sarah moved into Dolphin House which was about 2km from Royal Lodge. The next year - poor Fergie - a fire at Dolphin House meant that she had to take refuge at Royal Lodge, where she's been ever since.

Nothing dodgy about the Yorks - nothing to see here.

There's a full list of Andrew's financial and sexual rap-sheet at the link below - I know that it's Wikipedia but the page is very well documented and referenced. It's astounding to me that he wasn't cast out of the BRF until recently. I was always a huge fan of his late mother but she must surely have used her influence to keep him protected.

[quote] R70 I was always a huge fan of his late mother but she must surely have used her influence to keep him protected.

What Big Liz wanted, Big Liz got.

[quote]Or did he really think he was untouchable?

Given his totemic position and limited intelligence, that combination and exploitation of entitlement has led to the non-status he now occupies.

I read it for £14,000 too! She had to go to a billionaire pedo for such a sum?

Damn, she must’ve been desperate, r8.

[quote] Maybe in one of those twee nic nac shops in the Cotswolds? She'd attract the curious so long as she kept her hands out of the till.

This is an insane suggestion. Retail is hard work for little reward. Vanity stores are money pits. 30 years ago doctors’ and dentists’ wives would have little boutiques which would bleed money but which operated as a family tax break. And those women who ran them worked hard (they did, after all, manage to marry doctors and dentists, who can’t be nepoed into their positions.)

And the curious won’t go a shop where the goods are covered in cat hair because Fergs forgot to pay the cleaner.

And you wonder why I hawk white-labelled herbal tea.

[quote] I don't want to think other men are as depraved as Trump.

Don’t be silly, there are millions of men as detached as Trump and more.

Detached and depraved.

For those of you who didn't read the Wikipedia entry - it's an eye opener. Most of it I had forgotten about but there was way too much data to fit in one reply and didn't have the time / patience to break it up into chunks.

Besides, Wikipedia come with the bonus of pics of Air Miles Andy with various shifty oligarchs.

[quote]Or did he really think he was untouchable?

I'd really hoped that with the death of HLM that the "Big Liz" queen would have come up with some new schtick.

But alas, it seems not.

I adored QE II and perfect parents don't exist.

But her one glaring weakness was Andrew.

Tina Brown doesn't hold back about this in "The Palace Papers." She goes into what is posted at r70 and how Q E II indulged him for far too long.

R73, I just watched a Daily Telegraph podcast with Andrew Lowdes and he thinks it was much more, $2 million.

R62 -- that was her sister-in-law, Princess Michael of Kent, who wore the brooch (whose father, incidentally, was a Nazi party member and who served in the Waffen SS). The slyly racist dig at Meghan was no accident.

[quote] There she was, by invitation of The King, standing amongst the royal family. . .

I just always sense a deep insecurity with her, maybe because of her parents' divorce or financial instability. She obviously needs to belong.

Her mother was a bolter, like Diana’s mother, but Fergie’s mother (much better looking and more elegant than Fergie ever was) left with an Argentinian polo player.

Unfortunately for Fergie and her sister Jane, they both took after their father in the looks department and he was a very unattractive man.

After the divorce from their mother Susan he married another Susan and their three children took after their mother.

So Fergie and Jane really drew the short straw.

Susan Barrantes (Fergie's mother) and her rumoured ex-lover Prince Philip at Ascot.

Now she's dragging Bea and Eug into it, saying that she only sent the secret email because Epstein had threatened them.

I'm sure they're thrilled.

Shameless.

How did Fergie and Andrew meet? Was she as abhored by the BRF as Meghan?

R89, They grew up knowing each other as children. Sarah received scathing headlines ad The Duchess of Pork.

That's Sarah's sister Jane in the light blue polo neck in the background.

R89, she was well-liked for some time. She had grown up in that world and they seemed comfortable with her.

Fergie is a mess.

Fergie had a good sense of humor when she first married in. She needed it. There was a photo of her wearing the latest YSL creation, captioned From Catwalk to Fatwalk.

She just was not raised well. Her mother was a bolter like Diana’s. And her family was not poor.

If you want to know why no aristocrats or even minor gentry had the slightest interest in marrying William or Harry, this is your reason.

This is what Louis has to look forward to. There are many careers that will not be available to him. Let’s hope he has a passion for horse breeding or sculpture or research science.

It’s probably a mistake that William and Kate had a third child. Boy first and girl second was ideal.

R95 the Fergusons were comfortably off but they weren't rich. Ronald Ferguson was an employee of Charles as his polo manager - he didn't have the luxury of not working. And the royals are famously cheap with staff. They were landed gentry and spent time on the royal periphery but that's about it. Their home - Dummer Down Farm in Hampshire - was not at all impressive, just a farm.

Plus Ronald pretty much abandoned his two eldest daughters when Susan bolted to Argentina and he married again with three children. By which time Jane had married into the Australian squatocracy (to a seriously good looking Aussie bloke - didn't last) and Sarah set her sights on Andrew.

I'm no fan of Sarah or her sister but their father pretty much abandoned them when he'd moved on to wife # 2.

The only solution that I can think of for the Yorks:

Come up with an amount that he will accept to move out of Royal Lodge and into something smaller like Frogmore cottage or Adelaide cottage (or Fergie goes into Frogmore and Andrew gets Adelaide).

Add to that a monthly, quarterly or annual stipend that they will see as keeping them in the style that they believe that they require - go with me on this.

Place that enormous amount (to us, but not necessarily to King Charles) into a trust that will run until the second of them dies, with trustees appointed to strictly dole out funds on a monthly, quarterly or annual basis, contingent on neither of them writing a tell-all, giving any interviews to any media anywhere or posting on any social media (the latter mainly focused on Fergie - she loves Insta). They can never access the principal.

If they break the contingencies then the trust is frozen, funds go back to the monarch and they are on their own. By then the monarch will most likely be William and they won't want to be negotiating with him.

There will no doubt be an outcry at rewarding them for their truly appalling behaviour over the past thirty years but it at least has a chance of shutting them up.

I don’t know why Andrew is so adamant about hanging on to Royal Lodge. It’s an ugly gothic pile, with too many rooms that are probably not used (like Sophie and Edward closed off a wing of their pile because it was too expensive to heat…I’ll bet she would love a modern flat) . It’s funny how Windsor Great Park seems to have an unending supply of houses that no one else knows about.

Anyway, Belvedere Castle’s original tenants have passed away now. The current leaseholders might be convinced to give it up. It was too controversial for William and Kate but it would be perfect for Andrew.

I agree with the above posts, Royal Lodge is huge and ugly. Surely if he gave it up he would be reimbursed some of the money given he has a long lease. I would easily rather live in Frogmore or Adelaide cottage. They are both nice houses and within the Windsor security boundary, the upkeep and maintenance would be far less than that ugly monstrosity he lives in now.

If he did this and maybe had an allowance from the King, surely he could still have a very nice life, a private life of course. I wonder if it’s partly just the name of the house, Royal Lodge, that is making him reluctant to leave?

He really needs to take a good long look at himself and the position he is in now, accept that his days as a top tier royal are over and move on. He could have another 25 years to live, if it was me I would want to become anonymous and invisible. Providing there is no more dirt to come out he would soon be forgotten.

Royal Lodge has a flagpole on which Andrew's standard is always flown when he's in residence. Maybe Frogmore Cottage and Adelaide Cottage don't. Knowing Andrew this would be very important to the corpulent tosser.

Andrew and Sarah supposedly live at opposite ends of Royal Lodge which is possibly why he wants to hang onto it whether it's falling apart or not. Much better than having to see her 24/7 in a smaller place. I can't say that I blame him if so.

[quote] It’s funny how Windsor Great Park seems to have an unending supply of houses that no one else knows about.

Most of them are not habitable to modern standards.

Buildings fall to ruin quite quickly if the electricity and water do not run, if the entrances are not frequently opened and closed, if they’re not frequently cleaned so the critters and invasive plants don’t settle in.

Fergie is due to be one of the Honorees of the American University of Afghanistan (whatever that is) at an awards banquet at the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, DC on 29 October.

She's pictured in a full-page portrait, with this ad copy: "An Evening of Influence, Impact, and Icons: At the crossroads of Washington society and global change, join Friends of the AUA and our Champions in Action to keep the doors of education open for Afghans."

The Ritz Carlton? Free food and booze - she'll be there!

I just checked the website and she’s not mentioned? “CHAMPIONS IN ACTION Honorees, Awardees, Speakers” Maybe she’s been sidelined and they were just slower to act.