Gov. Josh Shapiro says Kamala Harris will 'have to answer' for not speaking out about Biden

And what would this accomplish? Whose minds will be changed? I think we're already too focused on the grievances (real or perceived) of the past, and not enough focused on what's going on right now.

Democrats eating each other - yep that's a great strategy to deal with the current state of affairs. [Eye roll]

People need to learn not to freak out about interview responses on Podcasts. They are way more casual//less rehearsed than interviews of old. I strongly believe one reason Harris lost was because she and Walz didn't do enough of the bro/popular podcasts/youtube interviews. I think the campaign was so concerned about just this sort of thing - saying one less than ideal thing and Democrats eating their own over it - that they didn't focus enough on this new media.

Like HE wouldn't have done the same had HE been Biden's VP.

Gawd, shut UP Josh Shapiro!

You're still nobody!

She LOST the fucking election - hasn't she "answered" enough?! Nothing like kicking somebody decent when they're down after they've already been stomped on and pulverized.

IOW, go fuck yourself, Shapiro.

He’s just jealous he wasn’t picked as the running mate.

To be CLEAR!

[quote]I can tell you that I wasn’t in the room...

He’s an empty suit trying to mimic Obama’s delivery.

Democrats can't do anything except shoot each other.

Thanks, Josh! You just lost a shitload of support.

Oh JFC, there was no time to get into that conversation, and it would have been a death knell to do so, at anytime during his presidency.

He seems to forget what MAGA is and what dems are dealing with when engaging with any of them.

I thought Shapiro was probably a decent guy when he practically got that bridge fixed overnight, but when I heard him give a speech, I thought, "What a pompous mfer!"

Oh, well. I hope he doesn't run for anything else.

Why is he saying this? HE’S RUNNING IN 2028.

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He better be running his skinny ass away from Pritzker, that's all I have to say.

Calling pro-Palestinian protestors the KKK also didn’t go over well either.

The Democrats need to shut up about the past and focus on the future and obliterating MAGA.

R1, 90% of the people here were blaming Kamala for not speaking up about Biden’s mental condition. It wasn’t her place to do so unless she was willing to resign the vice presidency and throw her future political career down the toilet. And the VP is far from the president’s closest advisor, they are way down on the totem pole. People like to believe the P and VP are co-presidents or some nonsense like that.

Why is everyone in here mad at Shapiro when Kamala is the one who dredged this up by putting it in her book? Every Democratic official will face these questions now. What are they supposed to say? “No comment”?

Kamala is irrelevant now. Do not pick a fight with her supporters

Shapiro is challenging her now because he assumes she will run again

Kamala lost because she didn't speak against Biden.

Kamala lost because of her stance on Israel.

Kamala lost because she wasn't given enough time to mount a decent campaign.

Kamala lost because she made the horrible mistake of asking Republican Liz Cheney to campaign with her.

Kamala lost because she didn't make enough appearances on Right-Wing podcasts.

Kamala lost because she didn't choose the right running mate, or she was black, or a woman, of should have gone with Pete, or laughed too much....or...or.....or....or.... I am so fucking sick of it.

These are all speculations that can never, could ever be proven.

I believe she "lost" because the election was stolen! Machines were rigged, Voters' registrations were deliberately lost, final voting tallies in swing states for hacked. These are all claims THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PROVEN had there only been a F'KING INVESTIGATION!

But there wasn't. So I wish y'all would just shut the f'k up!!

R18, how could she write a book and NOT bring it up?

Kamala lost because she was Biden’s VP. People blamed Biden for inflation. End of story.

R21, I’ve never seen anyone write “f’k up” instead of fuck up here in my 10 years at the Datalounge.

Kamala Harris lost because Repugs know how to throw out votes for Democrats.

[QUOTE] how could she write a book and NOT bring it up?

The question you should be asking is why Kamala Harris needed to write a book in the first place. Who asked for this bullshit?

You’re so tiring, R25.

What R21 said.

The election was stolen. End of story.

R21 and R27, yes, agreed.

As the country is burning down, Shapiro demands that Kamala explain herself.

fuck him

R1 and r2 expressed my thoughts exactly. What's the point? Disunity?

He needs to fuck off and quit doing this shit. Let rethugs eat each other. We have to fake it til we make it and stick together.

Is it possible that statement is deliberately being taken out of context to seem divisive?

He might have been asked, "What do you think of Kamala saying....." and he meant it as, "ask her, not me", merely trying to avoid the question. Which is totally fine.

Answer to whom? No one’s asking for her answers. She’s OVAH.

The best time to neutralize a threat is before it can become one in the first place. If they bury her now, then she may not even run in 2028 and they won’t have to waste money pushing her out of the race then.

I TOLD YOU FKIN CUNTS. I FKIN TOLD YOU.

She didn’t speak up to whom? The American public?

Well according to him, he didn’t either. He had concerns as he mentioned. He didn’t speak up when he could have. Does he not see that?

R2 Because it’s so egregious. The Democrats may not ever recover from the con that was attempted to be pulled. It was already on shaky ground. If they don’t recover I’m telling you now it will be in the history books that 85 yr old Joe Biden was one of several key factors that killed the democrats party. And yes I voted for Kamala Harris.

But to play devils advocate, what was her lil first female black vice president self gon do. He is the most powerful man on earth. The family wouldn’t stop. They wouldn’t be real. Greed is so fucking destructive. It is the most powerful drug on Earth.

And to those talking about democrats eating their own. You want to know what happens when a democrat criticizes the Democratic Party or other Democrats, their fucking poll numbers go up.

Josh, hindsight is 20/20. It seems so obvious now in retrospect, doesn't it? It could call all have been so different.....

"Good evening, I'm Vice-President Kamala Harris. I've chosen this moment to make the first nationally televised address of my vice-presidential career (or, to be honest, of anyone's vice-presidential career) to talk to you about a topic important to all of us, my boss and someone I care about very much, Joe Biden. I think we've all witnessed someone dear to us who has lost a bit of the spring in his step and who's a little slower on the uptake. Sometimes it's the small things---the face they can't put a name to, the executive order they forget to sign....Sometimes, it's the big things----like not realizing they're participating in a nationally televised presidential debate. But we all recognize the signs when we see them.

I'm not sure why I have chosen to take this opportunity to bring this to your attention or what I can constitutionally do about it, but I thought you should know. Thank you, good night, and God bless America."

[quote] The best time to neutralize a threat is before it can become one in the first place. If they bury her now, then she may not even run in 2028

That falls under the category of mercy killing.

Btw Kamala Harris may say she wanted Pete but the transition campaign team wanted Shapiro. He ultimately decided to turn them down. He knew they couldn’t win. Fuck Jill Biden.

She was in the best position to engage the Cabinet in invoking the 25th Amendment. If she had done that when it first became clear that Biden was no longer fully functioning, she would have had years to prepare for the election instead of 107 days.

R42 It also would have boosted her standing with the American public. But we also have to be real, the country is so polarized. The right would demonized her at any stage until the moment of truth. They would always argue well why did you wait until NOW.

Joe Biden said “No I will not allow bussing and lil black kids to go to school with lil white kids” in the 1970s. Then in 2024 he said “No democrats I will not allow you to have 4 more years in The White House.

When you say what needs to be said, the truth will always hurt.

[quote]She was in the best position to engage the Cabinet in invoking the 25th Amendment. If she had done that when it first became clear that Biden was no longer fully functioning, she would have had years to prepare for the election instead of 107 days.

I think we will class this one in the category of bizarre fantasies people masturbate over on the Internet.

[QUOTE]People need to learn not to freak out about interview responses on Podcasts. They are way more casual//less rehearsed

What does this tell you about Shapiro's judgment or his ability to think on his feet, r3? Not to mention his ability to be a unifying force within the Democratic party.

Tim Walz admitted he was not a good debater in his interview with Harris, so under intense national scrutiny he didn't come off well. Shapiro under little to no scrutiny, comes off as impulsive and unrealistically judgemental about an impossible situation the Biden administration created.

I'm not sure he's making friends and connections with talk like this unless he thinks he can attract stray independents and Zionist MAGAts.

It's Joe Biden's fault. He should have just done us all a favor and died in June, making Kamala president then. Imagine the things she might have done that he refused to (like ......uh...replace our attorney general?)

The American people will have to answer for not voting for the black lady. They and their children and their children's children....

There's your answer. Very simple. She lost because she's a black woman. No need to contort ourselves with seventy billion other reasons.

They don't matter, Josh, they don't matter.

[quote]Occam’s razor is a philosophical tool for ‘shaving off’ unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.

Josh, you don’t start your run for president by disparaging your own side.

That’s actually a great place to start. Dems need to look like they want to win at all costs.

What in the hell was she supposed to do? Trash her boss and the administration she was a part of during her campaign? Trash the guy who was the reason who basically anointed her? I understand there are no friends in politics, but geez.

[quote]And what would this accomplish? Whose minds will be changed? I think we're already too focused on the grievances (real or perceived) of the past, and not enough focused on what's going on right now.

Kamala Harris is the one who decided she needed to write a book, in which she speaks disparagingly about Shapiro. So he’s not allowed to respond when he’s asked about it??

Shapiro, the phony, will never be president. He better get that out of his head. No one likes him. If the GOP wasn’t tired to Trump Republicans would be running the state again.

[quote]If they bury her now, then she may not even run in 2028 and they won’t have to waste money pushing her out of the race then.

No one’s going to have to push her out of the race. She was forced to take herself out in 2020 because she polled so terribly.

[QUOTE] What in the hell was she supposed to do?

Uhh, not write a book about it trashing President Biden and many other Democrats? Yet people are in here hating on Josh Shapiro for some reason. I guess these are Gavinistas maybe, but Kamala shit on Gavin in her book as well.

[quote]No one likes him.

Except the voters in one of the most important must-win states.

I think a lot of the establishment are realizing that last year’s election was actually winnable. This country is highly polarized, probably moreso than any other time in history. There are a lot of regular white people who don’t like Trump, it’s just that the majority of them do, but it’s only a SLIGHT majority. And there so vocal they seem bigger than what they are. Brilliant demagogues like Trump thrive in an environment like this.

This country was never going to vote for a dementia ridden old man over a fucking pathological bully. Never. This is America. Home of the cowboy and the Wild West. Never was gonna happen.

R53’s post is ridiculous for myriad reasons. Every sentence he wrote is a flat out lie and I don’t feel like typing up paragraphs to rebut this loon.

He's seriously underwater with demographics other than "white males, who are 'poorly educated' over 40." In other words, he'd lose a theoretical recall vote in a landslide.

Well he’s up for re-election, R59. So if Governor Josh is doing as bad as you claim, we’ll see it reflected in his numbers on election night a year from now.

[quote]As the country is burning down, Shapiro demands that Kamala explain herself.

Welp, she’s part of the reason it’s burning down. She claimed that “there is not a thing that comes to mind” she would do differently than Biden. She should have to explain herself.

I wonder why she didn't choose him to be her running mate?

Who needs Pennsylvania?

R61. Yeah. It’s amazing how one misstatement cam detail and entire society. She truly bears a horrible burden. Thanks for reminding us!

[quote]Except the voters in one of the most important must-win states.

Learn how to read, you moron. He won by default.

Maybe him and Jake Tapper can have this conversation, and they can invite Scott Jennings.

R55. You can criticize both Harris and Shapiro. The idea that any vice-president will ever call the president unfit for office, as he is suggesting and many people are posting here, is moronic beyond belief. This will never happen.

[quote]Uhh, not write a book about it trashing President Biden and many other Democrats? Yet people are in here hating on Josh Shapiro for some reason. I guess these are Gavinistas maybe, but Kamala shit on Gavin in her book as well.

Don't paint with such broad strokes. I think she should have chosen him to be VP and I still like him. I just have an issue with people thinking she should have trashed Biden. How would that have worked? I love it when people outside of a situation have all of these great suggestions for fixing something after the fact. It was the ultimate damned if you do situation.

Nancy Pelosi didn’t have any problem saying Biden needed to go.

The Dem consultants must be telling the pols to push this "accounting" about Biden's mental state the same way they want everyone to back off from immigration and abortion rights. Because they're basically boomer bubble-dwellers still traumatized by McGovern's loss, their focus groups are exclusively composed of dithering centrists, whereas Trump's popularity is cratering, immigration and abortion rights are more popular than ever, and successful Democrats are leaning on those issues.

Nancy Pelosi wasn't in the administration; she was in a separate, coequal branch of government. Importantly, she didn't say anything until she ran the numbers, and then she worked behind the scenes.

R69

Nancy Pelosi is aging like milk. She should shut up and not tarnish the good she's done.

[quote] Was it grace, or was it recklessness?

Add “grace” to the annoying words list. It has become overused and self important.

Trump didn’t have a problem telling his supporters to kill Mike Pence. So there’s no reason Harris couldn’t have said that Biden was senile.

Nancy Pelosi is 85, R72 ffs

Dems play by old rules. Guess what an Oprah endorsement won’t do it for you anymore. A smart pol would have distanced themselves from an unpopular Pres. But Harris is/was clueless.

R75

Yes, which is why she should shut up and go knit in the corner.

[quote] Speaking with Shapiro, Smith asked the governor how Americans should feel “when we hear something that we suspected but wasn’t acknowledged by politicians

Well, I heard she wasn't black.

[quote]Nancy Pelosi didn’t have any problem saying Biden needed to go.

Yeah, after the horses had left the barn...

Look, I don't see one single area of Biden's presidency that wasn't served well overall, even though he was old. Compared to Trump, Biden looks like Lincoln, so where are all these comments of him him having "dementia" coming from? He didn't have then, nor is he now suffering from dementia, he's just OLD. Yeah, and still the only candidate to ever beat Trump.

The Presidency is a powerful post and I imagine if you beat Trump once already, steadied the ship of state during a worldwide pandemic, and passed significant and historic legislation investing in America's future prosperity (with a 50-50 Senate), it is perhaps forgivable to think this success might be rewarded again. It wasn't, I get it, but look at the criminal fascist Americans demanded! Frankly, we deserve the misery and economic ruin we have now.

Oh these democrats always turning against each other while Repugs are one unified voice ...of hate and bigotry

Please. Trash trash trash Biden as suffering from old age slow and forgetfulness. Tell the truth. He was a good president who should never have run for term 2, we know this. Kamala’s telling half of what she knows, don’t blame her for sucking up.

R67 Bitch please.