The Democrats need to nominate someone who can win the electoral college

Gavin Newsom!

R1 I like him but I suspect a California politician is much too dangerous in 2028. California’s population is bigger than most Western nations, but every dysfunctional aspect of the state will be tied to the democratic governor. Plus the association of Hollywood. He’s not getting any younger and he would have made a great president but I don’t think it should be him.

An interesting suggestion OP find someone that might win. Have you passed that suggestion on to the DNC? It’s not like we can do shit here but it’s a bold approach. And clearly unlike last time..

Wow, this is such an original post. I've never heard this before on DL.

I also think this will be the first ever the democrats have their very own Ross Perot, which can be another thread unto itself. People are just tired of the same dog and pony show and for many Americans, Trump’s brand of chaos is not an option. How that plays out in electoral politics I can’t even say. Obviously on its head it seems it ensures a Republican victory, but I think it’s not certain because I believe such a candidate would also peel away millions of white working class people under 60 who have generally voted republican for President.

I agree with R5 the Dems could have their own splinter ticket with a Perot like spin off ticket. I would bet on it being a very progressive ticket.

I wish democrats were more popular.

[quote]Doesn’t have to be a white male as we’ve seen them losing to other white men consecutive times in a row.

Huh?

John Kerry was the last white Democratic nominee to lose the Presidential election over twenty years ago!

Things have changed.

The OP must be higher than shit right now. It must be good stuff they got.

r2, you're sounding like one of those mealy mouthed terrified Democrats accidentally conspiring how to lose with dignity.

For Christ's sake, the Republicans have nominated fucking DONALD TRUMP, the most corrupt and moronically degraded candidate in history THREE TIMES IN A ROW! I don't think anything they can say about Gavin Newsom will be relevant at all!

No "progressive" candidate on our current scene is going anywhere nationally.

Don’t start with the purity tests.

OP: Inspired by your bold take, I have written a letter to the US Olympic Committee urging them in the strongest terms to find athletes who can win gold medals.

R7 Listen to my argument. I want it to be a white male. I want it to be an Asian male. I want it to be a wheelchair bound white man from north Florida who is a Marine vet. I want it to be who will win. I’m a break down like this— From 1988 until 2008 a democrat white male lost with the exception of Clinton 96. Bush senior would have been elected if not for Perot in 92. The country has grown browner by over 100% since in 1988. The media, and I actually agree, has contended that Trump is our most racist president in modern politics. This “racist” won Hispanic brown people in the 40th percentile and black men in the 20 percentile.

And we’re really being technical but is there anyone that actually thinks Biden would have beat Trump last year. Like truly, if you really believe that explain.

That NYC city election is going to be real interesting to follow. If he can pull off a win with Trump Adams etc etc etc etc ganging up against him a brand new democratic star has been born.

Praise the Lord

We'd listen to your argument R12 if you learned to communicate in a way that isn't fucking impenetrable.

"Moderate" and "Centrist" Democrats are Pussy Democrats who can't speak to voters in direct, clear language. Pussy Democrats lose elections.

Unfortunately, a major survey of male voters showed that in the US, a majority of men, especially Latino and Black voters, do not favor female candidates. People like AOC and Uncle Bernie are examples of those who can communicate well. For other reasons, they wouldn't be good candidates for Presidential elections in swing states.

Repugs will try to brand ANY competitor as being radically Liberal, so that attack has lost its bite.

The average American is stupid. They need clear and simple arguments and they need to hear Democrats "go low".

And while trumps approval ratings have dropped a little recently with all US adults. He is still on top with registered voters. If this were a movie Trump would still be king and democrats would still be looking for a knight to save them. .

Trumps political approach since winning is like a PPV MMA fight. Get them on the ground and helpless and keep pounding the shit out of them.

I have never seen nothing like it and I think the gop will win the EC next time. It is what it is.

Also I think the celebrity of “Trump” has been downplayed. In the past 2 years I finally witnessed certain scholars and pundits discuss it. I think it’s going to be a bigger part of the discussion as the years pass. People say well the Clintons and Obama have been very popular and famous for some time now. They all built their fame through politics. Trump was a celebrity first. Americans love celebrities. People thought Trump would be a joke and unelectable because we never had a celebrity to actually penetrate the parties primaries. Well except Regan but again he was governor first and wasn’t A list or as known as Trump. Most Americans didn’t know Reagan as an actor even if they knew he used to be Hollywood. Americans love celebrities and loathe politics.

Frankly, if nominated there would be no reason not to elect Senator Tammy Duckworth, perhaps the strongest current nationally known Democrat. She's an excellent politician.

Good luck with that novel and daring strategy, OP.

R19 She would have been a great “first female candidate”. Unfortunately 4 years after Kamala Harris’ defeat it is highly unlikely. But I revert back to this, whoever wins the primary should be the nominee. Let the grassroots reign, let the liberal populism reign. The corporate donors and career politicians deeply influence the primary so high profile democrats need to keep in mind this when choosing who to support. Their clout carries weight. Every fucking presidential cycle we are told the “populist”, the people candidate will be unelectable, only for some corporate toadie democrat to lose the election. And Biden’s win in 2020 is a truly unique election. When is the last time we had an election during a global pandemic, where most of the nation has been shut down for close to a year.

R18 Most Americans don’t know Reagan was president is my guess. I bet if you stopped 1000 people on the street and showed his picture less than half would know who he is.

Having a billionaire with. A Tv show and one former actor who spent years as gov of a very large important state does not say anything about American voters and celebrity. It says they often vote for governors. Or for people named Bush.

No if this were an exam you would get a c- for effort.

R22 Not that much time has passed. I think most Americans would still recognize Reagan though only if the random 1000 actually reflected the population. A good deal of people under 40 wouldn’t recognize him. Some would say “that president” and may not remember the name. I’ll never forget when Bill Clinton walked into some Georgia McdOnald during the campaign last fall. The black cashier, she looked to be about 40 something, didn’t instantly recognize him and thought it was Joe Biden. Woah.

Whoever it is they should outright refer to him as a pedophile. How can it be slander if he’s hiding the Epstein files?

R22 Wait, you do realize we’re making the same argument as far as Reagan. I was saying Trump is the first true celebrity but it would be ignorant or disingenuous rather to not acknowledge that Reagan was a former actor.

R25 are you talking to me? You could be right , then I have had my volcano blazing all day , so I am a bit confused. If we agree then you are pretty smart :-)

A-

Happy now!?

Negative partisanship works in our 24 second news cycle/social media world. Democrats need to talk non-stop about how Trump AND the Republican Party is destroying every aspect of our lives. Let the uninformed voter know who is causing their pain.

*are*

R17 😂 analogy but in all honesty Trump runs his campaign like a PR firm where no press is bad press. This is more difficult for a career politician or sitting US Senator because they forever have policies linked to their brand; even issues which they may have had no impact or influence. For a non politician celebrity they can do and say a bunch of contradictory things because no policy or voting record is permanently linked to it. It’s why Trump was able to get his surrogates to say Kamala locked up thousand of men during her tenure as DA, while parading someone like Madeleine Brame at the Republican National Convention.

R15 I get what you’re saying. Perhaps I am saying too much while saying nothing at all. It just seems like recently people have forgotten how difficult it is for the democrats to win the electoral college. This isn’t a new problem. It’s been this way for decades. Obama put band aid on it because he ensured such dramatic black voter and young people(1st time voter) turnout.

When Reagan won his elections, he won nearly every state in the union. Trump, both times, won in an electoral landslide. The only Democrat to come close to this was Obama in 08.

[quote]The Democrats need to nominate someone who can win the electoral college

Evidence of the brilliant insights of DL political posters?

Hmmmm.

So far, Gavin Newsom is the only Dem who has demonstrated that he can fight--and fight smart. We need a fighter to beat the Repigs. Americans like a fighter.

Maybe it could and should be Newsom. Perhaps he can make enough Generations Jones and X white fraus panties wet to vote for him. Another reason why I so feared Trump winning again is because he legitimizes social resentment. They are a great deal of Americans who will never be nothing in life. I don’t mean nothing in terms of inherent character, but they won’t ever rise above the menial jobs they have or lower middle income paychecks they get. It’s the truth. Blame globalism, blame a bloated population, it’s the reality in which we live. These are the people most receptive to Trump. These are also the people likely to be against gay marriage, reasonable illegal immigration solutions, fair pay for women, and multiculturalism. There is a whole lot of them too. They also won’t understand that all the economic downfall and chaotic turmoil that is going to emerge this next few years, is all Trump’s fault. They won’t connect the dots because they lack critical thinking. I just knew Trump wasn’t going to be re-elected even with all the anti Biden sentiment I was observing anecdotally. Because at the end of the day I was like he ain’t running again. He’s too old and his deficiencies are becoming too apparent just by watching a clip on tv or the internet. Polling like this, with some obvious mental decline, he isn’t going to seek a second term and whoever wins the primary will beat Trump because Trump is unpopular and a soon to be convicted criminal. But Trump bet on, successfully, running against the Biden administration. Trump was an unlikeable bully. Biden/Harris were the loser smart nerds. Who the fuck did you think America was going to vote for.

Thanks OP, we didn't know that until you told us.

I think Americans have now answered pretty conclusively that they do not feel comfortable with a female President. It's fucked up, but it's true, and the sooner Democrats understand that the better.

I also think we're going to see in 2028 one of the most unfair, rigged, shady elections we've ever seen.

We're really fucked.

R32 Kelly has demonstrated he can fight. Newsom has demonstrated he can yack it up and troll trump. We do that every day here at DL.

R35 We’ve never had a female candidate without baggage. All candidates have baggage but the two female candidates baggage was a core part of the campaign theme and defined them.

Hillary Clinton— the establishment candidate. Wife to a now more polarizing(2016) Bill Clinton because of NAFTA. The emails— career politicians are career liars and hustlers. Those polls from 2016 the only thing that right wingers and left wingers agreed on— they wanted someone new in Washington. Even Bernie and all his decades in Congress wasn’t seen as the Washington establishment because he was so rogue and blatantly didn’t beat around the bush in calling out corporate politics.

Kamala Harris- VP to a deeply unpopular administration. Then because she is so 2nd to him, the Pres and Vice like a partnership, it made her seem disingenuous and part of the cover up of Biden’s decline. This was key to the campaign not just republicans. Their brands were off putting to people across the political spectrum.

AOC and Mamdani are the candidates who are exciting people. AOC claims many people in her district voted for both her and for Trump. It’s all about personality today, not policies.

The electoral college will never favor the democrats they will always have an uphill climb.

That is why the dems need a much larger voter base to start with. And being delusional about the GOP today does not help

The dems are in real trouble as of today nearly one full year after Trump was elected. He is still holding serve and the US economy has not tanked like DL claims it has. And not one Dem has taken hold. We keep praying and hoping one will but they sure have not.

And the Dems have not really started fighting with each other. They are far to busy sending me emails asking for money,

The GOP plays hard ball and throws 98 mile per hour fast balls at the head the Dems play slow pitch and fight with each other and Me Too some of their best talent...

I think Democrats are going to have to accept the fact that the first female president is going to be a Republican. Black Democratic women don't have the numbers to take any Democratic Candidate over the top, and I hope this doesn't get me canceled, but I don't think that you can count on white women - especially when it's another woman.

[quote]AOC and Mamdani are the candidates who are exciting people.

Neither could win a national race.

The only Republican right now who can win the electoral college is Glenn Youngkin, but he would never win the primary because he's too moderate.

We're going to see a true political realignment over the next 4 years, with Democrats winning back the House, Senate and the White House. Any of the Democratic frontrunners can win, including Newsom, Shapiro, Beshear and Pritzker.

We need to avoid nominating AOC, Pete B., Wes Moore, or Whitmer. It's not the right environment to nominate a minority for the top of the ticket. However, Moore and Whitmire would make great running mates. Pete is too risky to be anywhere near the ticket in 2028. He'll get a job as a secretary in a Democratic administration.

don't be such a screaming ninny r39. Trump is actually quite unpopular and going down as his economy falls apart. Panic is not called for. Stop trying to spread it.

R39 The reason why the economy hasn’t tanked is because Trump has said one thing about tariffs but nearly every time reneged or offered some extension or exemption for corporate America. It’s actually brilliant. It’s like successfully demonizing foreign entities, but at the end of the day he didn’t change course and the economy stayed intact. But grocery prices haven’t gone down, they’ve actually went up a bit, and job market is practically the same. To the social resentment cunts all they see from this havoc— a bunch of do nothing federal employees lost their jobs— good. I will say that Trump has disrupted Latino communities in many ways that those who voted for him didn’t see coming. But at the end of the day, most regular Americans are fed up with illegal immigration.

You mean the Dems should nominate someone who could actually win? That’s a bridge too far. I say keep running females and/or POC until the racist and patriarchal US sees the light. Maybe sometime around 2048 things will work out.

Most regular Americans are increasingly fed up with Trump and his nonstop bullshit. I can't say what will happen in 2028, but that is actually a part of what is going on here. Trump is detested more and more outside his cult, and of course he seems determined to keep it that way with everything he does and says.

[quote]We're going to see a true political realignment over the next 4 years, with Democrats winning back the House, Senate and the White House.

Not if they keep doubling down on far-left issues like open borders, DEI, CRT, trans/nonbinary ideology, and soft-on-crime policies.

Those are all extremely unpopular.

Both female candidates had severe baggage. They didn’t just lose cause they were female. Hillary Clinton— Washington establishment. Most regular Americans did not benefit from NAFTA. Talks about feminism yet stayed married to a serial cheater and then demonizes the bitch he slept with or in this case the bitch who sucked him off because bj’s are not sexual relations 🙄 . That shit is severe baggage. That’s why Trump brought out all those rape victims at the debate in 2016.

Kamala— only became the nominee because the Pres had to resign because on the left spin” just getting older” on the right spin “has severe dementia and can’t string a sentence together”. No matter where you fall there is reason he isn’t running again and the successor for his victory is his VP? The narrative only works if he willingly sought only one term, which wasn’t the fucking case. He should have never attempted re-election. It’s just asinine. We should have had a primary. She had severe baggage because the goddamn administration was so unpopular and then outside liberals should we be seen as implicit in cover up. Hell even to some liberals she would be seen as implicit but we won’t say that shit aloud or on national platform. Good god. All them Harvard degrees. All them Ivy League degrees. Or maybe greed will ALWAYS trump common sense.

R39 you are 100% spot on by the way.

R46 They're not doubling-down on that crap. They were never vocally in favor of it to begin with. That's just Fox News propaganda, and you've fallen for it, ya shrunken hag!

Elections aren't won or lost on piddly crap like "ending cash bail" or renaming a laundry ship after some shot-to-death queer in San Francisco. Voters don't give a shit about that stuff.

Elections are won and lost on economic issues. Inflation was/is rampant, and the Fat Man had a louder message on the economy. It was the dead-ass WRONG message, and he's only made things worse, but at least he had a message. Kamala rarely talked about economic issues in a way the voters would notice.

But that assumes the goal is actually winning an election, OP?

Tell me who is "doubling down" on those things, r46, be specific. There are always voices that support or oppose all culture war issues.

But you know who is always doubling down on crazy ass shit? Every single Republican officeholder, whether it's tariffs, military occupations, mass deporatations (in flux, but currently at 43% and probably falling as more people see it up close and personal), treating Trump as a God-King, and really every single brainfart the bitch has. There is really no comparison when it comes to leaning into crazy. Republicans win that by a mile.

Your centrist candidates are flops.

We want a real leftist candidate who won't puss out.

If we had supported Bernie 8 years ago we wouldn't have had any of this shit. Trump would be some bankrupt hasbeen.

R49 How dare you disrespect Harvey Milk that way. And that’s not a fucking laundry ship. Are you fucking stupid? I’ll admit that some term I’m not familiar but his renamed ship is as an essential fucking fuel and supply ship that goes underway to give oil to other ships in the fleet.

Other than that utter disrespect you’re not wrong.

Wow, that is such an original idea, OP.

[quote]Not one who is hard left but plays sports and works on cars in their garage.

Oh, god, could you be any more of a stereotype? Just say that you live in a bubble and don’t know what the commoners do. I hate to break this to you but the working class can smell this phoniness a mile away. They don’t like being patronized.

R52 There is no doubt in my mind Bernie would have won that election. White people still had a certain of respectability. In the job I had as a contractor at federal government agency, I encountered so many white bros who just wanted something new and liked Bernie and Trump was an option only if Bernie wasn’t the nominee. Plus many liberal women did not care for Hillary. I’m talking liberal women of all ethnicities. Most went ahead and voted for her but of course it would impact voter turnout.

[quote]Gavin Newsom!

The person the electorate cannot stand. You might as well nominate Hillary again.

[quote]I also think this will be the first ever the democrats have their very own Ross Perot

Yes, this magical invisible person.

[quote]Listen to my argument. I want it to be a white male. I want it to be an Asian male.

Here we go with the identity politics again.

[quote][R46] They're not doubling-down on that crap. They were never vocally in favor of it to begin with.

Biden and Harris did nothing to stop illegal border crossings.

Newsom knows how to win.

CNN just highlighted a poll showing Dems favored on the economy and inflation, which is wild considering Trump won big on those two issues less than a year ago.

Bernie's a waste of oxygen as a politician. He hoovers up cash from dumbasses like you (he's up to, what, four houses now?), bombs on election day, but keeps the fantasy alive for JUST ONE MORE TRY.

He's a shit senator, too. He's been in Congress for over thirty years, and has never played a substantive role in getting major legislation passed. He doesn't introduce serious legislation, let alone lift a damn finger to get his bills passed. He can barely get a post office renamed, much less get anyone in that building to support his batshit ideas.

He's an ideologue. An empty populist. He's Trump's commie cousin - big on noise and empty promises, but really fuckin' short on action. And since populism is the opiate of the trashy masses, you people eat up every word of his nonsense. "Tax the billionaires! Build cheaper houses! Glass-Steagall!" It's all that easy, is it? He never says how he'll get it done. He just hems and haws, and says some cat shit about "A revolution in Congress." Except in all his years sucking up your donations, he's only gotten a handful of acolytes elected to office. Everyone else he fingers LOSES.

And at the risk of pissing on your parade: He's too fucking old to run again in 2028, but feel free to send him more of your idiot dollars. He'll swipe your cash like he stole his neighbor's electricity!

R60 I’ve repeated this before and this will probably be the post that gets me timed out but I have friends who work as border agents. They revealed to me that as soon as Biden became president, a complete reversal of set polices and practices stemming back from Obama were put in place. Basically our border did become sort of open and they were not to be aggressive in pursuing illegals. I swear to God and I’m not a republican. Then in spring 24, all the policies were reversed back to norm standards. This was the same time the Dems were trying to pass a reasonable, strong bill to tackle illegal immigration. If you couple that with all the “lost” democratic votes from 2020, did Trump and Biden make some sort of pact. Why hasn’t Trump been successfully sued for libel? Yes it’s a conspiracy theory all day long, but isn’t the site for juicy good gossip?

Whoever the nominee is, he (I'm guessing he, cause after two failed women Dems are going to be very skittish about that), but anyway he will need a full on Fuck the Rich campaign. People are sick to death of rich fucking assholes running everything for themselves and stealing everything in sight. That is going to have to be a big part of any winning campaign.

Ah, yes. That nonsense again, from R63.

"I've got friends who work in Border Patrol! You don't even know, but I do!!!!"

[quote]but anyway he will need a full on Fuck the Rich campaign. People are sick to death of rich fucking assholes running everything for themselves and stealing everything in sight. That is going to have to be a big part of any winning campaign.

AOC is the one who’s saying it.

If Democrats can stick with economic issues they have a shot. Once they move on to anything else, they are pretty fucked. I’m not sure why they had to give Repubs immigration and transing kids on a silver platter but they did.

A white man can get away with an AOC messaging. I seriously doubt she could win the nomination, in part because of her gender. But a white man running on an economically leftist message could win.

R61 He’ll yeah that’s what I am talking about.

[quote]Newsom knows how to win.

Because he trolls Trump on Twitter?

This is the same guy who a couple of months back was inviting Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast.

The democratic party needs to start making an effort again into having a field of candidates and going through them. No more annoinments.

[quote]A white man can get away with an AOC messaging. I seriously doubt she could win the nomination, in part because of her gender. But a white man running on an economically leftist message could win.

An economically leftist message is more effective coming from a Bronx bartender, not a rich white man.

Oh please, everyone knows that 2024 was a bizarre "nomination." Of course there will be a full primary process. That wasn't some policy going forward.

And no, in fact Bernie was not the double-plus secret winner before that, if only the powers that be had allowed him to win. That's all fantasy and bullshit and everyone should stop that shit.

There will be primaries, there will be sorting, and it will be fine.

And yes, 100% a rich white guy promoting economic leftism will absolutely be more credible in our dingbat nonsense of a political system than some actual working class person. That is how it works. Rich white guy is given authority to pronounce on economic matters. Hispanic female working class person is not.

It's stupid, but it's how we operate in this stupid country of ours.

AOC has good political instincts and knows how to talk based on her audience. I’ve seen her dumb down her message for the masses. Plus she is quick witted and can think unrehearsed. It’s probably the New Yorker in her. Her features are small enough to middle America she is not brown, they just know she’s Latina because they know. However her theatrics around the Neely subway thing will damage her. You see wtf just happened in Charlotte.

AOC can't even win a statewide race in New York. Her base loves her, and you small-dollar internet donors love her, but mainstream voters do not.

There's no way in FUCK she plays well in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia. It really doesn't matter how easily she packs an arena with her core supporters and donors. That's not enough to win a state's electoral votes.

She also doesn't say dick about foreign affairs or defense policy, and you guys had better hope she doesn't start now. I predict two minutes on CNN before she uses the words "Palestine" and "Genocide" in the same sentence, and detonates any serious campaign for herself.

R76 When did she ever run for a statewide race. I’ll wait.

Until we become a more perfect society where taxpayers are willing to pay for nice mental institutions with well paid doctors and staff this is where we stand. These psychos need to be locked the fuck up. All the childhood damage in their world won’t make me feel sorry because they never pull at that knife and that drama against some big black dude.

R76 btw, I love the dig. Not “small-dollar internet donors” I love a good shady read. 😂 Fuck you cunt, I did my best to try to get Harris/Walz elected with my small donations lol.

R78 Hey, they're the ones who never shut up about how small their average donations are. As if that's a boast.

And yes, Our Peter held a fundraiser in a wine cave. But they're really just steamed that their average supporter can barely afford a tap-water social.

And so we go. Nooooooo, it has to be Mayor Pete cause I luurve him! Nooooooo, it has to be AOC, cause I luuuurrrvvee her! Noooo, it has to be Bernie cause if 2024 taught us anything, age is just a number.

We all know it has to be a straight white guy in his 50s or 60s with a compelling economic message. I assume we'll all get on that page in 2028, but I assume in the meantime we'll all do all the usual fuckery and nonsense.

It won't be Pete or AOC.

It'll be Gavin Newsom, or Andy Beshear, or that fat fuck Pritzker.

Maybe Big Gretch for VP.

R80 We don’t know that because before the democrats got all progressive with CANDIDATES a straight white male let us down again and again. It was the actually the rule, not the exception. All through the 80s and all through the aughts. We mine well say Biden in 24. Who the fuck here thinks he would have beat Trump last year. If you believe it please explain it. That’s why I won’t be sexist and say it can’t be a woman. It can’t be a woman with baggage which both women had. Thank God for Perot in 92 so the democrats could gain some attraction and at least appear to be popular, electorally.

We need a winner whoever that might be. We always think outside the box. Today I think repubs have a better understanding of race than Dems to be honest. Dems logic is very 2003. Black gon support black. White woman gon support white woman. Repubs tell you there are more white men in society than minority men, therefore their views should be represented more but it doesn’t mean we won’t support a black candidate that has the POV of the conservative white man. That’s why black conservatives have been doing so well and winning local elections around the country.

It’s over a billion dollars at stake. You think the establishment would nominate a minority candidate if they didn’t think it was a tenable solution to their electoral problem. That’s why as contentious as the 08 primary was, and as close as it was, the argument pro Obama or pro Clinton was —look we gotta do something. White democratic men keep losing this fucking electoral college. Perhaps these non traditional candidates will excite the base. And that’s exactly what the fuck they did. Record turnout during the primaries like no one ever seen. And then not on television, but some behind the scenes were like well it should be a black male before a white woman because all the presidents up until this point have been men. Obama was a rockstar who completely ignited the base and made sure unreliable voters turned out. We need that today if even the cunt looks like Gumby.

Gain some traction* not attraction. Fkin hate autotype.

I really think we'll see radical swings electorally from Republicans to Democrats every cycle because Americans are dumbed down and distracted by cell phones/celebutards/social media, etc. They have attention spans of fruit flies and don't realize that really good legislation like the Chips Act, Infrastructure bills, etc. take years to kick in. Also the first couple of years from the new guy is coasting on the last guy's achievements (Trump 1.0 coasting on Obama's economy) or cleaning up the wreckage left by the last guy (Biden dealing with inflation from Trump's botched Covid response). But most people are Veruca Salt ("I WANT IT NOW, DADDY") and can't be bothered to look into the details.

I nominate the spunky Katie Couric.

[quote]if nominated there would be no reason not to elect Senator Tammy Duckworth

Wouldn't being born in Bangkok be a reason, R19?

It always comes down to the 7 or 8 battleground states. The current Mamdami phenomenon in NYC is specific to NYC and doesn’t have much bearing on how the 2028 electorates of Arizona and Georgia and Michigan are going to vote.

To win the presidency, the Democratic Party and its nominee need to understand those voters and what they prioritize.

R58 Remember 2013. Who the fuck thought Trump would be president in 2016 besides Michael Moore who called it in 2015.

Who the fuck thinks Mamdani could win a national presidential election. You must be smoking crack. I just want him to wi the NYC mayoral race because I’m so sick of establishment dems and their entitlement. Plus he is hot as fuck. And he’s only 33, so it’s refreshing to see young people in power. However the opportunity will never present himself. He’s not a birth right citizen. Actually he might be smart enough to rebrand himself if he ever wanted to become president but that requirement of birth right citizenship will not change, at least not in a timely fashion before he is fucking 90 or something.

Is anyone in here unwilling to vote for who ever the Democrats nominate?

I doubt the majority of posters on DL are the swing vote Democrats need to swing to their side.

The entire tone of this thread seems to forget that it’s not a sudden Naming, a Coronation. It will be a wide open primary process, and momentum at the right time (Fall 2027 into Winter 2028) and widespread voter choice will decide our nominee. You or I cannot stop a wave. I had a knowledgeable Boston-based feeling of bafflement and rising dread in early 2004 when it all coalesced around John Kerry. Four years later it was (to me) electrifying and risky yet hopeful the way Obama was rising and rising against what was originally looking like a Hillary cakewalk.

We can each make declarations about what type of candidate it “has to be”, but throughout 2027 they’ll all get a reasonably fair shot.

p.s. part of the reason a lot of us are acting like it’ll be a sudden coronation is that July 2024 was such an event. That will likely never happen again. (And lest we rehash the 2024 outcome, Harris campaigned like a prizefighter and raised $1B and pulled Biden’s 8 pt deficit up to just a 3 pt deficit in weeks. It was not enough, obviously, and she was far from perfect but let’s not act like she was a Walter Mondale of a nominee.)

Again, the 2028 cycle will be as open as it gets. 2004 is a good precedent in terms of openness, the whole Dean/Clark/Grphardt/Kerry tussle… and (my 2 cents) we need a D nominee with some charisma and public speaking magnetism. That’s the singular thing 2008 Obama and 2016 Trump have in common.

“ most regular Americans”

Yes we at DL are experts on what regular Americans want or our fed up with. :-)

R91 as a combat vet I will not vote for anyone for president gop or dem that lied about getting a bronze star. I did vote for a governor that lied but I will not in a national election.

Go Kelly he did not have to fib lie or quibble.

Dems need to be punished if they keep picking losers.

And let’s be honest Joe was senile , I know people that met with him in Oct. The man should not have been running.

And Harris bless her liberal heart did call for Fed prisoners to receive free trans care while in prison.

. We lost and it was the Dems fault. She thought she was riding the trans train but the train ran her over and killed her chances. It was a close election as so many point out and she lost on the trans issue because it cost her votes from people who might have otherwise voted for her..

Being liberal is one thing being smart may not always be the same thing.

[quote]Is anyone in here unwilling to vote for who ever the Democrats nominate?

I'm a moderate Democrat, considered evil and awful by some. I despise extremes on both sides. I could never vote for Mamdani because I think he's ridiculous and wrong for New York. I consider progressive democrats to be out of touch with even most democrats. They live in a world that just doesn't exist. AOC has gotten better. With experience, she's figured out how to get things done and realizes that the country is not her tiny little boutique district in New York. She's learned how to speak to a wide range of people and tamped down some of her crazier positions, and I can respect that. However, I seriously doubt she would ever get out of primary.